#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-09-21

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[0:00] <justaguy> yes it is
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[0:05] <scornflakes> does anyone have a battery backup for theirs?
[0:05] <scornflakes> fel ]
[0:05] <scornflakes> oops
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[0:10] <evil_dan2wik> scornflakes, a lot of people do.
[0:11] <evil_dan2wik> I don't have a battery back up
[0:11] <evil_dan2wik> I use a USB drive to prevent corruption during power loss
[0:11] <scornflakes> oh i was wondering if there was a good solution
[0:12] <scornflakes> i'm guessing there is
[0:13] <Encrypt> scornflakes, I'm currently designing something :)
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[0:13] <Encrypt> I'm waiting for Printed Circuit Boards from OshPark
[0:13] <Encrypt> Whenever I have them, I'll solder the components and test the first prototype :]
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[0:15] <scornflakes> cool!
[0:16] <Encrypt> I'm hoping to get it below $20
[0:17] <Encrypt> It's a device made to avoid power outages on the Raspberry Pi
[0:17] <scornflakes> well that's exactly what i need
[0:17] <Encrypt> It has a small LiPo battery and a logic circuit based on an Attiny microcontroller
[0:17] <Encrypt> Various scenarios can be set
[0:17] <Tinkerton> Encrypt: like a tiny tiny UPS?
[0:17] <scornflakes> my ssh server won't restart from power interruptions
[0:17] <Encrypt> And the user will even be able to re-programm it
[0:18] <Encrypt> Tinkerton, Yes
[0:18] <Tinkerton> Encrypt: Sounds good, sign me up :)
[0:18] <Encrypt> But made for RPis used as servers
[0:18] <Encrypt> And just to avoid the power cut
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[0:18] <Encrypt> Tinkerton, Among the actual scenarios, you'll be able:
[0:18] <scornflakes> i'm thinking i could use it to start my big server
[0:19] <Encrypt> To shutdown it automatically whenever the mains power stops or after the backup battery is almost "out of juice"
[0:20] <Encrypt> And restart it again immediately when power comes back / when power comes back AND the battery is charged again
[0:20] <Tinkerton> Encrypt: nice.
[0:20] <Encrypt> Or even let is off when there is a power outage
[0:20] <Tinkerton> Have you considered adding something to 'stabilise' the power supply?
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[0:20] <Encrypt> Also, it has a "restart" button to restart teh pi and an "on / off" button to power it on / off safely
[0:21] <Encrypt> Tinkerton, There is a big capacitor
[0:21] <Encrypt> However, I assume that the input supply is stable enough
[0:21] <Encrypt> Moreover...
[0:22] <Encrypt> I designed the circuit so that it consumes almost *nothing* when it's not "processing"
[0:22] <Tinkerton> nice. how did you do that?
[0:22] <Encrypt> In normal use (no power outage), everything works as if only the Pi was powered
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[0:22] <Encrypt> Tinkerton, Numerous mosfets to power things on / off
[0:23] <Tinkerton> Encrypt: what size battery are you putting in? Would it be easy enough to change it?
[0:23] <Encrypt> And I'm using the "¬ shutdown" features of the chips I use
[0:23] <Encrypt> 250 mAh
[0:23] <Tinkerton> i've a 3.4AH 2s Li-Po battery laying around doing nothing....
[0:23] <Encrypt> That's about 10 minutes of service for a Raspberry Pi consuming 700 mA
[0:24] <Tinkerton> hm. not that long then.
[0:24] <Encrypt> As I said, I'm not planning to make it a "power supply"
[0:24] <Tinkerton> no, i know
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[0:24] <Encrypt> But a device to avoir power outages
[0:24] <Encrypt> But you'll be able to change the battery, yes :)
[0:24] <Tinkerton> are you crowd-funding or just doing it alone atm?
[0:25] <Encrypt> I'll be crowd-funding it probably
[0:25] <Encrypt> I did a survey in the French section of the Raspberry Pi forums this summer
[0:25] <Encrypt> I'll soon do one in the english section
[0:25] <Encrypt> But I'd like to have something working before
[0:25] <Tinkerton> makes sense
[0:25] <Encrypt> Also, good to know:
[0:26] <Encrypt> This is French Tech which will be made in France :]
[0:26] <Tinkerton> i've about 6 ideas in my head that I really want to try but i dont have the time money or knowledge to do them :<
[0:26] <Tinkerton> so good for you
[0:26] <Encrypt> No chinese product
[0:26] * Tinkerton resists urge to conform to British stereotypes
[0:27] <Encrypt> Tinkerton, Like? :p
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[0:27] <Encrypt> French are people with a baguette under the arm? :D
[0:27] <Tinkerton> hon hon hon
[0:27] <Encrypt> And a "béret"
[0:27] <Encrypt> :D
[0:27] <Tinkerton> le baguette du magnifique
[0:27] <Tinkerton> wearing a stripy shirt, beret
[0:27] <Encrypt> Eh eh :p
[0:27] <Tinkerton> string of garlic around your neck
[0:27] <Encrypt> x)
[0:27] <Tinkerton> calling everyone 'ros boeuf' :P
[0:28] <Encrypt> :D
[0:28] <Tinkerton> sitting in cafe's all day doing nothing but STEALING OUR WOMEN, somehow
[0:28] <Tinkerton> with your wierd little sportacus style moustaches.
[0:28] <Encrypt> Oh, I didn't know the last one
[0:28] <Encrypt> (About women)
[0:29] <Tinkerton> thats less common
[0:29] <Tinkerton> but french being 'the language of love' etc
[0:29] <Tinkerton> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-moTxzhoc8VQ/TltTvQbbhSI/AAAAAAAAABI/DeetAh-kmKA/s1600/sportacus-lazy-town-1598808-365-245.jpg
[0:30] <Tinkerton> moustache style in question, btw
[0:31] <Encrypt> x)
[0:31] <Tinkerton> :)
[0:33] <Encrypt> By the way
[0:33] <Encrypt> Tinkerton, scornflakes, https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1vdRcHtiGr5W7YzWo-TbP_3aiDJdMGdCHymoLUvQ0mZY/viewform
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[0:34] <Encrypt> If you're interested :)
[0:34] <Tinkerton> Done :)
[0:34] <Encrypt> So that I can keep you up to date :)
[0:34] <Encrypt> Ok, thanks :)
[0:34] <Tinkerton> np
[0:34] <Encrypt> I'd like to receive OshPark PCBs so badly... :D
[0:35] <Encrypt> But a USPS letter arrives here within "21 business days" apparently
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[0:35] <Encrypt> Hi gordonDrogon
[0:36] <Tinkerton> Encrypt: i've been sent two packages from Hong Kong recently
[0:36] <Tinkerton> from a friend, so i know he's sent them. Same postage type
[0:36] <Tinkerton> the second one took about 4 days
[0:36] <Tinkerton> the first one was sent LAST MONTH
[0:36] <Tinkerton> and HASNT ARRIVED YET
[0:36] <Tinkerton> :'<
[0:36] <Encrypt> :O
[0:37] <Tinkerton> yep
[0:37] <Encrypt> Well, it's 00:37 a.m. here...
[0:37] <Encrypt> I should to to bed...
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[0:38] <Encrypt> Tinkerton, I'll keep you up to date ;)
[0:38] <Encrypt> See you all o/
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[0:38] <Tinkerton> \o
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[0:57] <bnmorgan> trying to format and reimage my sd. for some reason sdformatter is hung and refuses to end process.....same with win32diskimager
[0:57] <bnmorgan> how do i kill them?
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[1:02] <Tinkerton> i recommend slitting their throats while they sleep.
[1:02] <Tinkerton> oh
[1:02] <Tinkerton> wait.
[1:03] <Tinkerton> I should read up a few lines before replying next time... ;)
[1:03] <Tinkerton> bnmorgan: try Ctrl+Shift+esc
[1:03] <Tinkerton> should bring up task manager
[1:04] <bnmorgan> yup. right click, end task.....nada.
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[1:04] <bnmorgan> and i prefer a nice quiet rifle from a couple hundred meters...
[1:05] <bnmorgan> makes E&E much less messy
[1:06] <Tinkerton> bnmorgan: go into processes tab, then end the process.
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[1:08] <bnmorgan> which doesn't work. hence my question, how else to kill them
[1:09] <plugwash> sometimes a reboot is the only option :(
[1:09] <plugwash> if something is hung inside a driver
[1:10] <bnmorgan> sonofabiscuit. managed to go 3 weeks without having to reboot and now have to over this dumb crap.
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[1:18] <plugwash> sometimes pulling out the usb connection unhangs drivers
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[1:22] <bnmorgan> yup. did that.
[1:22] <bnmorgan> it worked.
[1:22] <bnmorgan> formatting it now.
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[1:32] <ShorTie> normally writing the image formats the sdcard enough, no real need to format i believe
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[1:43] <bnmorgan> ShorTie yeah, probably, but with it acting funky i rather not take chances.
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[1:48] <bnmorgan> these formats are so dang slow
[1:49] <bnmorgan> just now 49
[1:49] <bnmorgan> %
[1:50] <plum> hi all
[1:50] <plum> i've had a recurring issue with my B+ pi, i'm attempting to use the NOOBS installer and have followed the instructions precisely
[1:50] <plum> however, it boots to a screen of a pixelated rainbow-colored screen every time
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[1:51] <plum> what can i do to fix this? i've looked at help threads and they say to find some config.txt, but it does not exist in my files
[1:52] <ShorTie> what os do you plan on using ??
[1:53] <ShorTie> noobs is just a boot loader, not a os
[1:53] <plum> i was thinking raspbian
[1:53] <plum> but i wanted to try the noobs way for this one as well
[1:54] <ShorTie> if you have a way to write an image to the sdcard, i would just download the raspbian image and use it
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[1:54] <plum> hmm, i see
[1:55] <plum> i'll probably need to do that from linux then?
[1:56] <ShorTie> no, win32diskimager works great in windows
[1:56] <plum> oooh okay
[1:56] <plum> might just try that then. i'm tired of having a nonworking pi haha
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[1:56] <plum> noobs installer is supposed to just work out of box though right?
[1:56] <plum> like copy/paste the contents and it should work
[1:57] <doebi> i get random EXT4-fs errors on stdout, is this due to a power supply problem or is my sd card loose?
[1:57] <ShorTie> i guess, but i have never used it to tell you the truth
[1:58] <ShorTie> hard to tell doebi, have you measured the voltage between tp1 and tp2 ??
[1:59] <doebi> nah, no tools
[1:59] <ShorTie> ok, is this a B or B+
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[2:00] <ShorTie> what is your power adapter rated at also ??
[2:00] <doebi> B
[2:00] <doebi> power comes from my pc
[2:00] <doebi> on a USB 2.0 port
[2:00] <ShorTie> oh, power issues most likely then
[2:01] <doebi> meh
[2:01] <doebi> i got the pitft touch screen attached, but didnt expect it draining soo much power
[2:02] <ShorTie> whelp, a pc usb port is only rated at 500ma if built by spec
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[2:03] <ShorTie> and a pi should have atleast 700ma, if not 1a or more really
[2:03] <doebi> i see
[2:03] <doebi> thx
[2:03] <PhotoJim> doebi: you can get dual-headed USB cables that will draw power from two ports
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[2:04] <doebi> i am glad my tv provides a usb port with 0.5 and one iwth 1A :)
[2:04] <ShorTie> sounds like a magic smoke emitter to me, lol.
[2:05] <doebi> now i understand why my last setup failed so hard.
[2:05] <doebi> had pi + tft + 50LED stripe attached to my NAS, which probably only supplied 500mA
[2:06] <ShorTie> i like 2amp supplies, because the poly fuse on a B can pass 1.1amps
[2:07] <doebi> will have to get a dedicated power for the LED-stripe anway, which should backpower over gpio
[2:07] <ShorTie> but i am a Tim Taylor type of guy too....
[2:07] <doebi> haha, nice expresion. my stripe is attached to the wall with duct tpe :D
[2:08] <ShorTie> 50 leds over the gpio, don't think that will work real good
[2:08] <doebi> it does
[2:09] <doebi> at least without touch dispaly
[2:09] <doebi> i am still hoping the display doesnt use same pins. it would fuck everything up
[2:09] <ShorTie> now now, pleaze read the topic
[2:10] <bnmorgan> ...
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[2:11] <doebi> kids...
[2:11] <ShorTie> rules...
[2:14] <plum> i'm having second thoughts about raspbian
[2:14] <plum> i want this pi to be a media server
[2:14] <plum> would that be easier facilitated with another os?
[2:15] <doebi> plum: XBMC?
[2:16] <ShorTie> yes there is other special media server os's, like openelec, xbmc (i think it is), ...
[2:17] <plum> is it good for hosting things like shared hard drives?
[2:17] <plum> on a network
[2:17] <doebi> plum: well what do you actually want from your pi? keep in mind, that it is a minicomputer and not capable of fullfilling all your wishes
[2:17] <ShorTie> sorry, never run a media server here, so not much help there
[2:18] <ShorTie> the SoC was design for stb's, so it does media very well
[2:19] <plum> soc? stb?
[2:19] <plum> sorry for my ignorance haha
[2:20] <ShorTie> SoC = the main chip, stb = set top boxes
[2:20] <plum> ahhh okay
[2:22] <plum> if i run it as a media server with xmbc, can i still access it with ssh and do more advanced linux stuff with it?
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[2:23] <ShorTie> should be able to ssh into it, not sure what you mean by 'more advanced stuff' though
[2:23] <ShorTie> might try raspbmc from the download page, http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[2:24] <ShorTie> openelec is not real friendly to playing at times
[2:25] <sraue> who is saying this?
[2:25] <ShorTie> me, lol.
[2:26] <sraue> whats your problem with openelec?
[2:26] <ShorTie> guess it depends on the playing you want to do though
[2:26] <sraue> you want a desktop distro on a low power embedded device?
[2:28] <ShorTie> not i, but i don't want a media center either, so i will stick with raspbian
[2:31] <sraue> yeah then you are right, if you dont want XBMC you dont want OpenELEC, because OpenELEC's purpose is to be a mediacenter OS
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[2:48] <plum> hmmmm
[2:48] <plum> so which os is more recommended for this? openelec or xbmc?
[2:49] <sraue> xbmc is a application, openelec runs xbmc
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[2:49] <plum> ooooh gotcha
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[2:51] <ShorTie> openelec sortta turn it into a stb
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[3:00] <plum> do things work fast and efficiently on openelec/xbmc on a pi?
[3:00] <plum> i've noticed a lot of lag on raspbmc with the gui
[3:00] <plum> i've another pi model b that i use prior to this new b+ one
[3:01] <ShorTie> the pi is no super computer
[3:01] <plum> also i completely missed your question doebi , i want this pi to be a media server i think
[3:01] <ShorTie> server or center ??
[3:01] <evil_dan2wik> plum, the model B and B+ have the same processor.
[3:02] <plum> aye
[3:02] <plum> i just haven't tried xbmc or openelec
[3:02] <plum> so i'm not sure how well they run
[3:02] <ShorTie> pi has limited net bandwidth because the net is part of the usb, so serving may not be real good
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[3:03] <plum> and ShorTie: i'm not quite sure what the difference is, haha. i know i want to be able to plug a hard drive or two into it, and be able to stream the contents of those hard drives + host the drives on the network to easily add content
[3:04] <ShorTie> doesn't sound like a pi is the right thing for you, to me atleast
[3:04] <evil_dan2wik> it would be better if the broadcom chip had it's own ethernet in it.
[3:04] <plum> mm, it won't work well for that?
[3:04] <evil_dan2wik> plum, you will be limited to the bandwidth of USB
[3:05] <plum> i see i see
[3:05] <evil_dan2wik> And transcoding would be a no-no.
[3:05] <doebi> plum: lol, 'plugging' a hd into an pi could be interesting
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[3:05] <plum> external hard drive, i mean :P sorry about my mistake in wording
[3:05] <plum> like a usb one
[3:05] <doebi> but as they said its not a good idea, since network, and both usb harddrives would use the same controller ;)
[3:06] <plum> hummm. well i want to take advantage of the extra usb ports on this pi
[3:06] <doebi> my setup is a NAS serving files, and pi provides software such as xbmc to my pc
[3:06] <plum> hosting hard drives seemed like a good idea
[3:06] <doebi> *tv
[3:07] <plum> oooh yes
[3:07] <plum> see that's what i want to do
[3:07] <plum> might be a problem with that transfer speed if i do the hard drive route though, is that the general consensus?
[3:07] <evil_dan2wik> I wonder if broadcom would be willing to design a chip specifically for the Pi.
[3:08] <doebi> do you attach the pi directly to the tv using hdmi?
[3:09] <evil_dan2wik> plum, I can get up to 40MB/s from my hard drive but the speed drops down loads when I use the network.
[3:10] <doebi> evil_dan2wik: oh gawd, i remember you from #powder
[3:10] <plum> so if i'm playing something, don't add anything to the storage drive at the same time via network, yes?
[3:10] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[3:10] <plum> cooool
[3:10] <plum> so for a NAS with media like that, should i go for openelec?
[3:12] <evil_dan2wik> plum, I think it would be possible to stream 2 or 3 things in 720p from the Pi to another device.
[3:12] <plum> i'm hoping to stream it to my tv though, via hdmi
[3:12] <evil_dan2wik> oh
[3:12] <evil_dan2wik> stream from another device to pi to tv?
[3:12] <plum> well not exactly
[3:13] <evil_dan2wik> or stream from hard drive?
[3:13] <plum> yeah!
[3:13] <doebi> well when u 'stream' it using hdmi it doenst matter, then usbdrives are just fine
[3:13] <plum> sweeeeet
[3:13] <plum> i'd hoped so
[3:13] <evil_dan2wik> but still, you are limited by the processing power of the Pi
[3:13] <evil_dan2wik> Some video formats bog it down too much to watch.
[3:13] <plum> ahh yes the pitfall
[3:13] <plum> good point.
[3:14] <plum> might just be better as a headless server then, which would host a couple hard drives on the network as NAS?
[3:14] <plum> sorry for my confusion :/
[3:14] <evil_dan2wik> It can be used for that but it is a little slow.
[3:14] <plum> i see i see
[3:15] <plum> so it seems like raspbian might just be fine for that after all, no?
[3:15] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[3:15] <evil_dan2wik> most people's starting point is raspbian
[3:15] <doebi> plum: honestly i think you should just get your hands dirty. set up openelec, see how you like it and if your not happy look for something else. ;)
[3:15] <plum> cool cool. i'm familiar with it from command line from my other pi
[3:16] <plum> i actually do want to try that too doebi
[3:16] <plum> just want to make sure it will do what i need it to is all
[3:16] <oicu812> raspbmc plays 1080p no stuttering
[3:16] <doebi> raspian is just a mini-debian, openelc is all media software installed and set up
[3:16] <doebi> openelec, rasbmc, or whatever
[3:16] <plum> openelec is still linux though, no?
[3:16] <evil_dan2wik> oicu812, the format is what kills it though.
[3:16] <doebi> lol yes
[3:16] <evil_dan2wik> some formats, the Pi would be able to play in 4k
[3:16] <plum> hahaha alright. just didn't see that on the page so i wanted to make sure
[3:17] <evil_dan2wik> other formats, it wouldn't be able to play in 240p
[3:17] <doebi> its basically everything the same, just different presinstalled software and configuration
[3:17] <plum> what package manager does openelec use, out of curiosity?
[3:17] <evil_dan2wik> plum, you can't get non-linux on the Pi
[3:17] <doebi> its built up on debian
[3:18] <plum> tiiiight
[3:18] <plum> well i'd heard of riscos evil_dan2wik
[3:18] <plum> on the download page it was saying that that's non-linux
[3:18] <sraue> "Open Embedded Linux Entertainment Center (OpenELEC) is a small Linux distribution built from scratch as a platform to turn your computer into an XBMC media center. " two times "linux"
[3:18] <plum> sweeeeeet
[3:18] <evil_dan2wik> I thought it was linux too.
[3:18] <evil_dan2wik> oh well
[3:18] <plum> no worries
[3:18] <plum> i think i'll try openelec then
[3:18] <plum> thank you guys
[3:19] <plum> i'll come bug you for more questions later once i run into problems :P
[3:19] <doebi> '...built from scratch...' pff
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[3:20] <bnmorgan> i didn't know you could still buy scratch on the open market.
[3:21] <oicu812> no one shares in my excitement for my new pi case..
[3:21] <bnmorgan> much less in enough quantity to build something from
[3:22] <plum> oicu812: show!
[3:24] <plum> well
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[3:24] <plum> i just used win32diskimager to write openelec to the sd card
[3:25] <evil_dan2wik> lol
[3:25] <plum> but there's nothing showing up on the screen when i turn the pi on
[3:25] <evil_dan2wik> I am using win32diskimager to write raspbian right now.
[3:25] <evil_dan2wik> Did you erase the card first?
[3:25] <plum> yeah, i used sdformatter
[3:25] <sraue> plum, what you have dowloaded? the dikimage? you have extracted the file?
[3:26] <evil_dan2wik> plum, does the SD card have a valid fat32 partition as the first partition?
[3:26] <plum> i downloaded the openelec rar and extracted the iso file from it, then used win32diskimager to write that file ot my drive
[3:26] <plum> i believe so, i'd formatted it in ubuntu to have that partition as first
[3:27] <sraue> there is no rar and no iso, there is a tar and a img.gz
[3:27] <evil_dan2wik> plum, in windows, does the fat32 partition have files in it?
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[3:27] <plum> that one, my bad
[3:27] <plum> my winrar opens it
[3:27] <sraue> the img.gz you must extract first
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[3:28] <plum> i've got files on it
[3:28] <plum> bootcode.bin, cmdline.txt, config.txt, kernel.img, fixup.dat, start.elf, SYSTEM
[3:29] <plum> seems like everything's as it should be
[3:29] <sraue> then it should boot
[3:29] <plum> it doesn't :(
[3:29] <plum> i see the red and green lights go on and stay on
[3:30] <plum> nothing on the screen though
[3:30] <evil_dan2wik> re-fo it
[3:30] <evil_dan2wik> re-do*
[3:31] <plum> hmm alright
[3:31] <sraue> its connected to a TV? your powersupply is good enough?
[3:31] <plum> i'll try to redo it tonight, gotta go for now
[3:31] <plum> yeah, to a tv
[3:31] <plum> and i made sure it was a proper power supply too
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[3:33] <plum> alright i gotta go though
[3:33] <plum> i'll cya guys later
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[3:35] <oicu812> nooooooooooooo
[3:35] <oicu812> just when i got my pic rdy
[3:35] <oicu812> plum leaves
[3:35] <oicu812> http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2126/9179721/16849727/410063161.jpg
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[4:08] <niston> those cases are neat
[4:09] <oicu812> i'm impressed with how well the led's light up
[4:09] <oicu812> no one laughs at my pi now!
[4:10] <abnormal> well I have 4 of them, one of them has ninja case
[4:12] <abnormal> my BBB has translucent blue case
[4:12] <oicu812> wow 4 pi's! gluttony!
[4:13] <abnormal> yup, one mod A 3 mod B...
[4:17] <abnormal> if I want something fast, I'd get lappy...
[4:19] <oicu812> does the extra memory make the interface quicker?
[4:19] <oicu812> oops i thought i was in raspbmc
[4:20] <abnormal> nope
[4:20] <oicu812> 850 mhz?
[4:20] <abnormal> only if you solder more mem chips on top of each other like a stacked building...
[4:22] <oicu812> haha
[4:22] <abnormal> get a Odroid U3
[4:24] <abnormal> http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php
[4:25] <niston> what distros are there for it ?
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[4:25] <niston> just xubuntu?
[4:25] <abnormal> http://www.bananapi.org/p/product.html
[4:26] <oicu812> wow thats crazy
[4:26] <abnormal> whatever tickles you to put on them... if work, great, if not, oh well....
[4:26] <oicu812> the odroid anyway
[4:27] <oicu812> i think i saw the bananapi but wasnt that impressed
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[4:28] <pablq> any suggestions on a good place to buy a *small inexpensive hdmi friendly moniter?
[4:28] <abnormal> adafruit.com
[4:28] <oicu812> im sure one day we will have quantum computers on our wrist
[4:29] * plugwash suspects pablq's list is mutually exclusive
[4:29] <abnormal> already do... the Iwatch
[4:29] <oicu812> far from a qbit
[4:29] <oicu812> an ibit
[4:29] <plugwash> though it depends a bit on how exactly you define "small" and how exactly you define "inexpensive"
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[4:30] <abnormal> that's why I suggested adafruit.com
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[4:32] <pablq> yeah i'm hoping for something under 100
[4:32] <pablq> small is between 5" and 10"
[4:32] <pablq> adafruit is a bit on the pricey side, but is a good starting point for my search
[4:32] <abnormal> yes, pablq , in adafruit.com
[4:33] <abnormal> well gee whiz... what do you want for next to nothing??? go to yard sales..
[4:33] <pablq> yeah i honestly haven't ever looked for an hdmi display before so i guess i don't know how much they normallly cost
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[4:34] <abnormal> look in here you will druel big time.... https://www.tindie.com/browse/featured/?page=3
[4:34] <pablq> well i'ma look around and probly come back to adafruit... i'm willing to pay up if that's just what it costs... plus, i'd rather buy from somewhere reputable like adafruit
[4:35] <abnormal> Lost_soul found some around 15 bux...
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[4:36] <abnormal> http://iqaudio.com/?page_id=28
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[4:38] <abnormal> http://www.pi-supply.com/product/broadcom-wifi-adapter-2-port-usb-hub-raspberry-pi/
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[4:51] <abnormal> oh, come on guys, all I see are in / outs... stoppit
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[5:19] <niston> wow
[5:19] <niston> thunder and lightning in september
[5:19] <niston> abnormal: I recently disabled join/part messages
[5:20] <abnormal> how di d you do that?
[5:20] <niston> u dont use mirc do you?
[5:20] <abnormal> i use xchat
[5:20] <niston> dunno for xchat. google maybe?
[5:21] <abnormal> it's something like slash and a command but do not remember it
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[5:23] <niston> hmm any Mac OSX users here?
[5:24] <abnormal> not me...
[5:24] <abnormal> I hate macs...
[5:24] <abnormal> I hate windoze
[5:25] <abnormal> prolly have to go to #mac
[5:25] <niston> I'd like for someone to see if my player works on Max OSX. which it should, but I never validated.
[5:26] <niston> good idea
[5:27] <abnormal> look in the server channel list and pick what suits you...
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[5:32] <niston> Im talking to *them* now
[5:32] <niston> *they* are not happy about mono, it seems
[5:33] <abnormal> too bad... just be persistant and don't give up
[5:33] <niston> oh well.. I don't really care. just would have been nice to know :)
[5:34] <[Saint]> Well...it /is/ a steaming crap heap.
[5:34] <abnormal> well like most of them tell me, google it til you find what you are looking for or go to the mac forums.
[5:34] <[Saint]> Just saying'.
[5:35] <NedScott> I accidentally ended up with two Moto lapdocks
[5:35] <NedScott> I didn't think I'd get both ebay auctions
[5:35] <niston> heh
[5:35] <NedScott> one for $40 that is working, one for $20 where the guy said he couldn't get it to work, but he doesn't know why
[5:36] <NedScott> I'm a mac user, what's up?
[5:36] <niston> NedScott: happen to have mono installed?
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[5:37] <NedScott> ah, sorry, I'm not a programmer :(
[5:37] <niston> you dont need to be :)
[5:37] <NedScott> it's this, right? http://www.mono-project.com
[5:37] <niston> yes
[5:38] <niston> its like, platform independent .NET
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[5:38] <NedScott> oooh
[5:38] <niston> so you can run .NET applications on Linux and Mac
[5:39] <niston> I wrote something in C# on Windows, it works fine on the Raspberry too. But dunno about Mac because I ain't got no Apples here.
[5:39] <NedScott> ah, so I just download this and I can see if it runs?
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[5:39] <niston> sort of
[5:39] <niston> yes
[5:40] <niston> you'd need to load mono first
[5:40] <niston> then obtain BASS for MacOSX
[5:41] <niston> then either get BASS.NET and compile my source code, or see if my sndchk.exe runs
[5:41] <niston> heres more info about it: http://niston.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/cross-platform-development/
[5:42] <abnormal> http://www.mono-project.com/download/
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[6:11] <niston> made an archive with libs for win/berry/mac: http://www.datafilehost.com/d/aebae64f
[6:11] <niston> that just needs mono.
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[6:14] <niston> then run with "mono sndchk.exe <URL to shoutcast stream>"
[6:15] <niston> stream URL can be icecast too, btw.
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[6:41] <pablq> :/join #node.js
[6:41] <pablq> oops
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[10:07] <MY123> Hi
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[10:12] <niston> ullo
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[10:29] <Da|Mummy> my sandisk 64gb usb3 drive wont load on openelec on rpi, is there something simple im missing here?
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[10:53] <Ikoru> im guessing it wont work on USB2 Da|Mummy
[10:54] <Da|Mummy> wouldnt it just work as a usb2 drive?
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[10:57] <Ikoru> dont think so, think it needs extra power
[10:58] <Ikoru> apparently they are
[10:58] <Ikoru> no reason why it shouldnt work then
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[11:51] <niston> you trying to boot via USB?
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[12:35] <Raazeer> hi all
[12:35] <Raazeer> does anyone have a site with quick-and-dirty projects to do with a raspberry pi?
[12:36] <Raazeer> something you can stick together with a pi, some jump wires and a breadboard?
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[12:37] <MY123> Raazeer: gordonDrogon has some good photos
[12:37] <Raazeer> I need some hands-on stuff to do with some youths for an orientation class.
[12:38] <Raazeer> MY123, found the site.
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> Raazeer, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/
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[12:56] <Raazeer> gordonDrogon, thanks.
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[13:15] <shiftplusone> Raazeer, also check the raspberry pi website resources.
[13:16] <Raazeer> shiftplusone, you mean raspberrypi.org?
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[13:18] <shiftplusone> 'course
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[13:21] <evil_dan2wik> "The system is going down for system halt NOW!MA0)"
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[13:22] <MY123> Does anyone recommend fixes for very high(3040ms) WiFi latency on a Pi
[13:22] <MY123> ?
[13:23] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, what wifi receiver?
[13:24] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: It works well on a PC and shows rtl8192cu as driver in Dmesg. Netgear
[13:24] <MY123> WNA3100M
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[13:25] <MY123> I see also lots of FIQ errors
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[13:25] <MY123> (And it disconnects once per 30 seconds)
[13:26] <evil_dan2wik> another rtl8192cu receiver...
[13:26] <MY123> I use a USB hub, through.
[13:26] <evil_dan2wik> Is the hub powered?
[13:27] <niston> MY123: use ethernet :P
[13:27] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: No.
[13:27] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, you need a powered hub for most wireless things.
[13:28] <MY123> niston: 50 meters away of the modem?
[13:28] <evil_dan2wik> otherwise it starts to melt.
[13:28] <niston> ethernet is specced up to 100m per segment
[13:28] <niston> so yeah. no problem there :P
[13:28] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, 50 meters...?
[13:29] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: Yes. (I only got 300kbyte per second on a PC)
[13:29] <MY123> With Ethernet, faster...
[13:29] <niston> see? :P
[13:29] <MY123> niston: I don't like see a house with cables everywhere
[13:30] <niston> install them properly :P
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[13:30] <unimatrix9> hello there
[13:30] <niston> seriously though, check with a powered hub. some dongles eat quite a lot of power.
[13:30] <unimatrix9> when using motion, whats a nice frame rate ? any tips are welcome
[13:30] <MY123> ( 50 meters with cables , I'm upstairs)
[13:30] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, my house has ethernet from the hub box to every port in the house.
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[13:31] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, but, seriously, the powered hub is required for that chipset.
[13:31] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: Rated at 200 mA
[13:31] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, yeah? so?
[13:31] <niston> My123: are there any other WiFi networks operating nearby ?
[13:31] <evil_dan2wik> Rating, not actual usage
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[13:32] <MY123> niston: 30 networks
[13:32] <evil_dan2wik> My RTL chipset used 600 mA peak for less than 100ms
[13:32] <niston> lol
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[13:32] <niston> and all of them on 2.4GHz?
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[13:32] <MY123> niston: Dual-Band for all
[13:33] <MY123> (Paris,...)
[13:33] <niston> spectrum crowding might be an issue
[13:33] <niston> if a powered hub doesnt fix the latency issues, you might give 5GHz a try
[13:34] * niston remembers his first outdoor wireless setup
[13:34] <niston> it would hardly do 10mps
[13:34] <niston> *mbps
[13:35] <niston> becuz everybody and his dog has wireless in their DSL modems these days
[13:35] <niston> switched to 5GHz, problem solved.
[13:35] <MY123> niston: my ADSL connection does do 1300 kilobytes per second when downloading packages
[13:35] <justaguy> Wireless = crap
[13:35] <niston> justaguy: nah, its just..intricate
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[13:35] <MY123> (Ethernet)
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[13:37] <justaguy> ethernet = <3
[13:38] <justaguy> I dislike it how schools sometimes just rely 100% on wifi, and then complain IT'S CRAP
[13:38] <justaguy> Yeah, if you put 100 students on a customer grade wifi thingie, no suprise
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> wireless is great, but you really need to know what you're doing and buy decent kit if you want anything more than "meh" out of it.
[13:39] <niston> yeah, having a clue helps when it comes to choosing access point locations and channel settings
[13:39] <niston> especially when theres gonna be LOT of access points and users
[13:40] <justaguy> Yeah, what they think = MOAR REPEATERS
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[13:40] <niston> repeaters, yuck
[13:40] <justaguy> when there isn't enough range..
[13:40] <MY123> niston: Did try to run apt-get upgrade, three KILOBYTES per second
[13:41] <MY123> (Slllowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww)
[13:41] <justaguy> I remember fixing the internet of a boarding school, yuk, 3 repeaters was there original setup
[13:41] <niston> MY123: does performance increase as you move closer towards the base station?
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[13:41] <MY123> niston: I can't (i would need to move the screen)
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[13:42] <justaguy> just UTP cables to every room, mount it too the wall, it was an ugly mess, but hey it worked
[13:42] <MY123> The tablet is faster
[13:42] <MY123> (It supports 5GHz though)
[13:42] <niston> justaguy: theres a green light on it, so it MUST work :0
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[13:55] <niston> on a side thought, reinforced concrete is bad for wifi signals..
[13:56] <niston> very bad.
[13:56] <niston> range may decrease to <30 meters under such adverse conditions.
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[13:59] <evil_dan2wik> uhh
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[13:59] <evil_dan2wik> the power light on my B+ just started to flash
[13:59] <evil_dan2wik> not constantly
[13:59] <niston> disco time!
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> All my Pis are powered from the 1 5A power supply
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> I can't have this fail
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> your input voltage is falling below 4.63v
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> how do I stop it.
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> you ae either drawing too much current via USB/GPIO or your PSU is lying to you.
[14:00] <zleap> hi gordonDrogon
[14:01] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, 3 Pis, 1 5v, 5A power supply
[14:01] <niston> what kinda power supply is this?
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> niston, haha reinforce concrete. My Devon limestone house laughs at your concrete ;-)
[14:01] <niston> :>
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, sure - it *says* 1.5A, but can it really deliver?
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, oops, mis-read that.
[14:01] <evil_dan2wik> 5A
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[14:02] <niston> evil_dan2wik: is it a Meanwell supply?
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Sounds like it's struggling to maintain voltage. Got a multimeter?
[14:02] <evil_dan2wik> The power supply is a large switching 5v, 5A power supply.
[14:02] <evil_dan2wik> not here, no.
[14:02] <evil_dan2wik> But, the B+ is still working fine-ish
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> the sense chip in the B+ is supposedly a highly accurate sensing chip - it's set to trip at 4.63v.
[14:02] <evil_dan2wik> the other 2 Bs have kernel paniced.
[14:02] <niston> oO
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> I think your PSU is somewhat "sub optimal" ...
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> zleap, afternoon.
[14:03] <niston> suboptimal, hehe
[14:03] <evil_dan2wik> well, all the Pis just turned off.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> and the PSU? how hot is it.. any smoke yet?
[14:03] <niston> I'd disconnect that supply... just to make sure
[14:03] <evil_dan2wik> not hot
[14:04] <evil_dan2wik> warm, burning smell and small wisps of smoke though.
[14:04] <zleap> not good
[14:04] <niston> hahahaha
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> it's toast...
[14:04] <niston> :D
[14:04] <zleap> yeah
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> and look - the B+ told you - hurrah for the B+!!! ;-)
[14:05] <niston> hehe
[14:05] <evil_dan2wik> if only I listened to the B+ more.
[14:05] * niston thinks the B+ Pi would make for a good USB voltage checker :P
[14:05] <zleap> so is the pi toast or the psu
[14:06] <evil_dan2wik> zleap, better not be the Pi
[14:06] <evil_dan2wik> otherwise I would now have 3 dead Pis
[14:06] <zleap> what are you dfoing to kill them
[14:07] <ozzzy> have an arduino pro-mini check the voltage for you and shut the psu down if it gets out of spec
[14:07] <evil_dan2wik> zleap, I was having problems with a stream, I went to check the Pis and the B+'s power light was flashing
[14:08] <evil_dan2wik> but now, they are all being powered by an apple charger.
[14:08] <evil_dan2wik> 1A for 3 Pis
[14:08] <zleap> ok
[14:08] <evil_dan2wik> and they seem to be working fine.
[14:08] <zleap> so <3000 ma per pi
[14:08] <zleap> 300ma
[14:08] <evil_dan2wik> 3000ma
[14:08] <zleap> typo
[14:08] <evil_dan2wik> around 333ma per pi
[14:09] <zleap> yeah
[14:09] <evil_dan2wik> although, this is an apple charger.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> A B+ can power 2 B's.
[14:09] <zleap> gordonDrogon, cool
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
[14:09] <zleap> that is handy to know
[14:09] * zleap has 3 pis 1 b+ 1 rev 1 and 1 b rev 2
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> you need a good & proper 2A PSU for it though.
[14:10] <zleap> gordonDrogon, i may have solved the mc problem - different psu
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[14:11] <zleap> may have narrowed it down to the psu
[14:11] * niston needs to finally get a B+
[14:11] * ozzzy has never had any power problems with his pi
[14:11] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, would it be possible for a B+ to power the other 2 Bs on the 3.3v level?
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[14:11] <zleap> gordonDrogon, just suggested that minecraft crashing could be a psu issue
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, no. Pi's need 5v for the memory, ethernet and hdmi.
[14:13] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, I mean, de-solder the 3.3v regulator on the other Bs and then ground them to the B+ and connect all the power lines to them all.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, not sure there's enough 3.3v current to go round. Don't forget the 1.8v supply too.
[14:14] <evil_dan2wik> there is a 1.8v supply?
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> on a B+ the 3.3 and 1.8 is derived via an SMPS unit off the incoming 5v supply.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> on a A/B it's linear regulators.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> yes, 1.8v.
[14:14] <evil_dan2wik> for what?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> some stuff inside the SoC I guess. not sure exactly what. Also the GPIO can be strapped to run at 1.8v if needed.
[14:15] <niston> 1.8v is the new 3.3v!
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> you can do that on the compute module not the Pi's though as stuff on the Pi's needs the gpio running at 3.3v.
[14:16] <evil_dan2wik> where does the 1.8v regulator draw from?
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[14:16] <niston> 3.3v presumably
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> no, the 5v supply.
[14:16] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[14:17] <evil_dan2wik> so, I just need to de-solder the 3.3v regulators and bridge the 3.3v and gnd on the GPIO between them all
[14:17] <evil_dan2wik> and leave the USB power supply connected.
[14:17] <MY123> 5 kilobytes/sec
[14:18] <ozzzy> 3.3v and 1.8v both come off of U3
[14:19] <evil_dan2wik> ozzzy, but for the B, there are 2 different regulators, RG1 and RG2
[14:19] <evil_dan2wik> RG1 is 1.8v
[14:19] <ozzzy> there's a single SMPS on the B+.... the schematic doesn't show the part number but you can probably read it on the board
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> personally, if you needed a more efficient setup, I'd just use B+ devices and make sure you had a good quality 5v supply.
[14:20] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, not really willing to buy another 2 Pis
[14:20] <niston> damn, I just found http://www.hifiberry.com/dac
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> then get a good 5v supply...
[14:20] <evil_dan2wik> just wondering if I could make it more efficient using existing hardware.
[14:20] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, apple charger
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> sure, but it's obviously not working for you here.
[14:21] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: original?
[14:21] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, yes.
[14:21] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, I just changed to it.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> the only way you'll know for sure is withy a multimeter.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok - the apple one is wokring OK then?
[14:21] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> great!
[14:21] <evil_dan2wik> the other 5A one died.
[14:21] <niston> maybe we could sell a kit "Raspberry Pi + Multimeter" ?
[14:22] <evil_dan2wik> a capacitor.
[14:22] <evil_dan2wik> RaspMeter, add-on board for GPIO
[14:22] <zleap> hmm
[14:22] <niston> heh
[14:22] <evil_dan2wik> A capacitor in the 5A supply is leaking
[14:22] <niston> RaspiScope even :P
[14:23] <zleap> that could work
[14:23] <evil_dan2wik> It has leaked over the chip and the chip is all gooey
[14:23] <zleap> metersare cheap
[14:23] <zleap> or can be
[14:23] <niston> evil_dan2wik: perhaps you can salvage everything by just replacing that cap :D
[14:23] <evil_dan2wik> I have a meter, just not with me.
[14:23] <evil_dan2wik> niston, doubt it
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> right.back later. stuff to do!
[14:24] <evil_dan2wik> seems like some corrosion upon closer inspection.
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[14:25] <evil_dan2wik> I wonder if my router's USB ports are switching or linear.
[14:25] <evil_dan2wik> I could just power my Pis from that.
[14:27] <niston> http://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/RS-25-5/?qs=pqZ7J9Gt/mqXHOzlkOY2rg==
[14:28] <evil_dan2wik> I should get one of those.
[14:28] <niston> yeah they're fine.
[14:28] <evil_dan2wik> not sure if my land lord will allow it though.
[14:28] <niston> why shouldn't he?
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[14:29] <evil_dan2wik> I left a Pi out on the bench with a USB cable and an ethernet cord and he freaked out.
[14:29] <niston> lol?
[14:29] <evil_dan2wik> idk, He called me a terrorist and left.
[14:30] <niston> xD
[14:30] <evil_dan2wik> every inspection since has been done by the real estate
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[14:34] <niston> omg
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[14:34] <niston> I should have bought a hifiberry
[14:34] <niston> seeing as they are located in switzerland
[14:34] <niston> gah -.-
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[14:42] <evil_dan2wik> just tried using a random 20cm ethernet cable I found and it wasn't working. All the wires go to random places on both ends.
[14:44] <niston> chances are it isn't an ethernet cable then
[14:45] <evil_dan2wik> niston, labelled cat6 ethernet and blue.
[14:45] <niston> lies. all lies.
[14:49] <evil_dan2wik> well, testing power supplies before I burn out my apple one.
[14:49] <evil_dan2wik> I found one and it is 4.3v
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[14:49] <evil_dan2wik> without load
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[14:55] <niston> ah
[14:56] <niston> im one of those with a hot running LAN chip Pi
[14:56] <niston> its hotter than the (overclocked) CPU :>
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[15:10] <niston> Hmm gordonDrogon, in the forum it says REG1 is powered from the 3v3 rail
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> niston, on what? The Pi is 3.3v
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> niston, the CM is configurable via jumpers for both banks.
[15:17] <niston> "Because both regulators are linear regulators, and share about the same efficiency, and both get their power from the 3V3 regulator [...]"
[15:18] <niston> from http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14489&sid=6246455c613f3769ef607580597447f7
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> niston, hang on - toy mean regulator 1, not the first gpio bank. let me check the schematics..
[15:18] <niston> RG1 is the 1v8 regulator
[15:18] <niston> REG1, sorry
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> niston, ah, you're right - the 2.5 and 1.8v regs come off the 3.3v regulator.
[15:19] <niston> makes sense, seeing as they are linear types
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> I thought they came off the 5v supply line.
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> yes - less to drop.
[15:19] <niston> would just burn more energy yeah :D
[15:19] <niston> I think in B+ they are on 5V
[15:19] <niston> not sure though, i remember reading something, but I read much these days, so might suffer from buffer overflow :P
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> the b+ has a SMPS regulator to generate the 3.3v and 1.8v. Oddly enough not 2.5v that I can see.
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> the 2.5v on the B seems to be used for the composite video.
[15:21] <niston> yup
[15:21] <niston> dac needs it
[15:22] <niston> I think in the CM dox it says something about it
[15:22] <niston> 1.8 to 2.5v or something
[15:22] <niston> and you can disconnect it if you dont use composite out
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> ah the 2.5v on the B+ is generated separately by a little linear regulator by the looks of it.
[15:22] <niston> respectively, not feed it supply :D
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> off the 3.3v supply.
[15:23] <niston> is the CM available now without the CMIO?
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> that's the ultimate intention - you just use the IO board as a "reference" platform to test your own design on before comitting to build/design your own board.
[15:24] <niston> farnell search sucks
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> Not quite sure the have them as a separate item just yet.
[15:25] <niston> nope.
[15:25] <niston> they only have the kit listed afaics
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> I think the "slice" kickstarter will be the first thing to bulk buy them, so I imagine they're waiting for that to kick off, but I really don't know what else is being made with them right now. I do think/suspect there are a few private projects that currently use Pi's who're moving to CMs.
[15:25] <niston> yeah I've been playing with the idea
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a product idea for them - yet.
[15:26] <niston> but I dont have enough self confidence yet to get a board manufactured and assembled
[15:26] * niston is rather more a software guy u see
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> if you've got the product idea, then kickstarter is a good way to judge interest before comitting. All you need is a more or less working prototype...
[15:27] <niston> well I have to get the software done first :)
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> you can probably test most of it on a B+.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> depending on the gpio requirements.
[15:27] <niston> will build the prototype with a B
[15:27] * gordonDrogon nods.
[15:27] <niston> needs 1 or 2 GP outs at most
[15:28] <niston> maybe even none
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> I bought a CM + IO board just to test wiringPi, but I'm going to use it to put 2 cameras on to view my garden.
[15:28] <niston> ah, the garden cam :D
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> if I have the time & ability, I'll make a pan/tilt mount for it so I can look up the river or the gaden. (small river at the bottom of the garden). it will have an Noir and the regular camera on as well as a raft of both IR and visible white LEds.
[15:29] <niston> one of these days I might port wiringpi to C#
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/fatihboy/RPI.GPIO
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> been done.
[15:30] <niston> haha coolness
[15:30] <niston> I've only found Raspberry# and another project that uses bitbanging for I2C
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> just re-code in native C/C++ :-)
[15:31] <niston> thing is I need something that has an emulator for windows
[15:31] <niston> at least for GPIO
[15:31] <niston> so it can be debugged on the windows box
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> how big is the project?
[15:32] <niston> not big right now
[15:32] <Da|Mummy> my sandisk 64gb usb3 drive wont load on openelec on rpi, is there something simple im missing here?
[15:33] <niston> Da|Mummy: you trying to boot off the usb drive?
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> my RTB interperter is pushing 30K lines of code/etc. right now and I don't have any issues writing/debugging that directly on a Pi - however I usually do most development on my Linux desktop then just sync to the Pi
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[15:33] <Da|Mummy> niston, no just use as the media drive
[15:33] <Da|Mummy> booting off sd
[15:33] <niston> gordonDrogon: http://niston.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/cross-platform-development/ first result of my cross-platform initiative :>
[15:34] <niston> eventually I plan to build a hardware "tuner" for audio streaming
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> I just don't use Windows at all. I have absolutely no use for it whatsoever.
[15:34] <niston> ah I just like visual studio
[15:34] <niston> will have to find out how to use remote debugging on the pi
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> I've had one job where I had to use windows + VS. Ended up hating it, vowing never to go back.
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[15:35] <niston> it should be possible to debug an application running on the Pi right in VS
[15:35] <Da|Mummy> niston, no idea?
[15:35] <niston> Da|Mummy: nope, sorry.
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> right. going to get stuff done here - since its sunny, the BBQ will be lit soon :)
[15:35] <niston> lucky you
[15:35] <niston> it rains here
[15:35] <niston> there was even thunder and lightning tonight
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> http://www.dartcom.co.uk/webcam is not that far from me.
[15:36] <niston> heh
[15:37] <niston> blue skies!
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> and sunshine!
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> laters :)
[15:37] <niston> cu :)
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[15:43] <RaMcHiP> Hello all
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[15:44] <scornflakes> hi
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[15:45] <RaMcHiP> Has anyone got a fully functioning retropie setup?
[15:45] <RaMcHiP> I am having issues compiling a few things on the new version
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[15:52] <niston> Da|Mummy: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=53564
[15:52] <RaMcHiP> I have a copy of my error here http://blog.petrockblock.com/forums/topic/mame-recompile-for-ps3-controllers/
[15:53] <RaMcHiP> I would assume that this is a standard error that I should be able to read but I am honing my linux skills with the raspberry ;)
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[15:53] <niston> that "undefined reference to symbol 'clock_gettime@@GLIBC_2.4'"
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[15:54] <niston> https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/76
[15:54] <niston> maybe this helps?
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[15:54] <RaMcHiP> Thanks niston - I will check that out!
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[15:57] <RaMcHiP> niston, I am not sure of what this means and or how to accomplish it
[15:57] <RaMcHiP> Add -lrt to the C_FLAGS and will compile correctly
[15:57] <RaMcHiP> so I can do make -lrt?
[15:58] <niston> hmm I dont think so
[15:58] <RaMcHiP> I checked the cflags
[15:58] <RaMcHiP> in the minimal.cpp, what lemme check the Makefile and see
[15:58] <MY123> RaMcHiP: make CFLAGS+="-lrt"
[15:59] <RaMcHiP> MY123, Thanks a million!
[15:59] <RaMcHiP> I need to learn make next ;)
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[16:00] <RaMcHiP> whoa
[16:00] <RaMcHiP> that worked!
[16:00] <RaMcHiP> it looks like
[16:00] <niston> w00t :D
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[16:02] <RaMcHiP> if I dont get any errors and it returns to CLI that means it worked right?
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[16:02] <MY123> RaMcHiP: Yes.
[16:02] <niston> yeah
[16:02] <RaMcHiP> Fantastic
[16:02] <RaMcHiP> I have been searching for 2 days on this
[16:02] <niston> might update your forum post with the solution btw :)
[16:02] <RaMcHiP> 5 minutes in here
[16:03] <RaMcHiP> Adding now, already ahead of you ';)
[16:03] <niston> hehe xD
[16:05] <RaMcHiP> that should work with pisnes as well!
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[16:05] <RaMcHiP> gunna test that now
[16:07] <RaMcHiP> ok odd
[16:07] <RaMcHiP> Same EXACT error
[16:07] <RaMcHiP> and that doesnt fix it
[16:08] <RaMcHiP> make CFLAGS+="-lrt"
[16:08] <niston> you sure you are running the recompiled library?
[16:08] <niston> or code?
[16:08] <MY123> RaMcHiP: make LDFLAGS+="-lrt"
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[16:09] <RaMcHiP> same thing
[16:09] <RaMcHiP> I will focus on mame really quick then return my attention tbhere
[16:09] <RaMcHiP> there
[16:09] <RaMcHiP> I have a functioning NES but MAME has been dead in water
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[16:34] <AngryAlien> hi
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[16:35] <RaMcHiP> Hello
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[16:40] <AngryAlien> You should upgrade to Banana Pi ; http://www.bananapi.org/
[16:40] <AngryAlien> http://www.diygadget.com/raspberry-pi/banana-pi-dual-core-computer-with-arm-cortex-a7-dual-core-cpu-and-mali400mp2-gpu-free-low-profile-sd-to-micro-sd-adapter-and-heatsinks.html
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[16:40] <AngryAlien> this is the lowest price you can find
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[16:41] <mikroskeem> http://mikroskeem.insomnia247.nl/wiki/index.php/PCF8574_Linux <-- How to get this GPIO expander working on RPi and VGA port
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[16:43] <MY123> AngryAlien: advertising?
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[16:45] <mikroskeem> AngryAlien: Banana Pi is just another bullshit
[16:45] <mikroskeem> It might be opensource but just a cheap low-quality clone
[16:46] <mikroskeem> s/clone/copy/
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[16:49] <SpeedEvil> What particular arguments have you for it being 'low quality' ?
[16:51] <Da|Mummy> niston, ok thats leeds me a little bit, but i dont see a way to get to terminal on openelec nor am i sure kernel is updated on the noobs version
[16:51] <mikroskeem> SpeedEvil: my Banana's SATA and it's power port broke off
[16:51] <mikroskeem> also it overheats a lot
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[16:52] <niston> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php/OpenELEC_FAQ#I_run_OpenELEC_3.0.6.2C_and_ssh_doesn.27t_work_anymore._Why.3F
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> Were you relying on the SATA port to support the cable?
[16:53] <mikroskeem> err... sorry i didn't understand
[16:53] <mikroskeem> my english is bad
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[16:55] <SpeedEvil> In many cases, connectors are not designed to support the weight of the cable, and minor bangs can damage connectors
[16:56] <mikroskeem> I couldn't even connect the cable when port broke... I didn't force it
[16:56] <CoJaBo> !ops
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[16:58] <SpeedEvil> CoJaBo: ?
[16:59] <CoJaBo> spammers
[16:59] <niston> ^^
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[17:00] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I missed that bit
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[17:00] * SpeedEvil should read more backscroll
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[17:03] <niston> hehe. how tiny is your screen? :P
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Oh - it's on my screen
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> I just diddn't read it
[17:04] <niston> looool
[17:04] <niston> =)
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[17:15] <nashi> has anyone found a good deal on a model A or B cheap?
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[17:15] <CoJaBo> A is usually the most expensive of the 3
[17:16] <nashi> CoJaBo, it wasnt when I bought one, but yeah they kinda arent being produced right now
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[17:16] <CoJaBo> Yep, the price went up quite a bit lol
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[17:18] <niston> raspberry pi model A is the new bitcoin.
[17:18] <CoJaBo> ..?
[17:19] <niston> scarce commodity, price skyrockets, etc
[17:19] <nashi> I wouldnt call a raspi A a commodity personally.
[17:19] <CoJaBo> I wonder if you can make an A by just removing the chip, or if there's more to it.. lol
[17:20] <nashi> sort of. theres 2 jumper pads under the chip to direct wire one of the usb ports to the chip
[17:20] <nashi> and then you get 512mb ram instead of 256
[17:20] <nashi> if I have the money im going to get a b and do that. but thats even more parts to desolder, which for my projects I need the thing unpopulated of almost every single port
[17:21] <CoJaBo> Might as well get a B+ anyway :P
[17:21] <nashi> even more crap to remove :/ and more cost.
[17:21] <niston> just use a CM?
[17:22] <nashi> see the CM you can only buy with the dev board, and thats WHOAnelly on price
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[17:22] <niston> gordonDrogon said its supposed to be out, even though farnell does not yet list it
[17:22] <nashi> im leaning very heavily on waiting for the minnowboard max, and just getting one of those and being done with it
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[17:22] <niston> the CM without the CMIO that is
[17:23] <niston> farnell still has only the kit listed
[17:24] <CoJaBo> The CM pretty much defeats the point of the pi anyway lol.. how much is it per-unit?
[17:24] <niston> its true though, the kit is comparatively expensive
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[17:24] <niston> CoJaBo: why defeats the point? I wouldn't agree.
[17:25] <nashi> CoJaBo, it doesnt cost much when its just the module. and if and when those come out, Ill design my own pcb motherboard for them with just the parts I need
[17:26] <CoJaBo> nashi: how much is just the module
[17:27] <mikroskeem> Anyone tried to get mtd working under rpi?
[17:27] <nashi> its SUPPOSED to be like $20 or under, CoJaBo
[17:27] <niston> I would expect so
[17:27] <niston> seeing as it has no connectors etc
[17:27] <nashi> and being all you need is a couple of regulators and ports or pinouts and a ddr2 sodimm part, thats not bad.
[17:27] <CoJaBo> So you have to design a board, including socket and power supply, for well under $15 :P
[17:28] <niston> the sodimm sockets are not cheap though.
[17:28] <nashi> nah thats worth the extra cost for me, and if you look you can find 3.3v buck converters cheeeap
[17:28] <nashi> niston, they sure are at some places
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[17:28] <nashi> just depends on where you look
[17:28] <niston> got a link?
[17:29] <CoJaBo> If cost isn't a concern, there are other boards that have far higher performance
[17:29] <niston> yup, there are even more powerful sodimm modules. its called SoM, afaik.
[17:30] <nashi> you could also hardsolder to the sodimm pinout on the CM
[17:30] <nashi> that IS an option.
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[17:31] <CoJaBo> nashi: That'd be expensive tho; and if you're going expensive, you can get much better performance than the pi's choice of SoC
[17:31] <nashi> how would it be expensive?
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[17:32] <niston> well the CM clearly targets the embedded market, and the question is justified: how is adding a linux computer to your embedded project for a presumed $20 considered expensive?
[17:32] <nashi> hell ive soldered dual inline pin headers to ISA bus cards and NES slot cartridges to hook ribbon cable to them. just would have to find the right pitch connector and off you go. or even board to board
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[17:33] <dassault> hello! does anyknow what what base distro RACHEL-Pi runs on? ( http://pi.worldpossible.org/ )
[17:33] <nashi> why not contact them and ask?.....
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> niston: Because $20 is expensive when you look at all the costs.
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> niston: It's a product relying on a single-source maker, who does not have a great record of longevity or reliability
[17:33] <nashi> SpeedEvil, not if you use some cheap parts and dont need hardly anything broken out, just the minimal. it all depends on what you need.
[17:34] <dassault> nashi: its very hard to do anything out here
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> niston: The cost of redesign can be really quite high.
[17:34] <dassault> i cant ssh or email frmo here
[17:34] <niston> SpeedEvil: thats true
[17:34] <nashi> actually they have contracted out pi making to several companies dassault and SpeedEvil
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> Plus - if you're making >>100 then just putting a SoC onyour PCB may be easier
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> nashi: I was referring to broadcom
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[17:35] <nashi> SpeedEvil, ooooooops ok, didnt see that. sorry
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[17:36] <CoJaBo> niston: My point is it costs much more than $20 to make the rest of the board :P
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[17:37] <nashi> CoJaBo, ive only seen pi b and b+ for $45 and higher end cost shipped.... so it depends
[17:37] <CoJaBo> I got my B+ for $40, shipped
[17:37] <nashi> still available? was that to USA? where? please
[17:39] <MY123> nashi: try order from swag.raspberrypi.org
[17:40] <MY123> (Worldwide)
[17:40] <CoJaBo> Amazon
[17:40] <nashi> MY123, never heard of them before, thanks
[17:40] <nashi> CoJaBo, thanks
[17:41] <oblomov> the B+ is available from 33 euro and up in NL. don't know if that's your neck of the woods, nashi
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[17:41] <nashi> oblomov, west coast usa. oregon.
[17:41] <oblomov> ah, right. nvm then.
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[17:55] <AngryAlien> wow. swag.rpi is real cheap.
[17:56] <AngryAlien> well then I GTFO, i guess
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[18:02] <oblomov> do they have a breakdown of shipping costs anywhere? or do i have to suffer through the form?
[18:02] <niston> haha nice
[18:02] <niston> so at least you're not a spam bot, AngryAlien :)
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[18:09] <MY123> oblomov: Wait
[18:11] <oblomov> wait for...?
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> death
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[18:15] <MY123> oblomov: 5dollars to France
[18:15] <MY123> (and the UK)
[18:16] <MY123> oblomov: Is there customs fees for your country?
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[18:17] <oblomov> thanks, MY123
[18:17] <oblomov> nope, i'm in the EU too
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[18:28] <niston> how do I change the default sound device?
[18:28] <`Nef> any remedy to the fact that repository.wolfram.com:80 is down?
[18:28] <`Nef> and I/we can't update
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[18:30] <MY123> niston: sudo raspi-config
[18:30] <MY123> (Go to advanced then to sound)
[18:30] <niston> I just edited alsa-base.conf
[18:31] <niston> but nice to know :D
[18:31] <niston> hmm there's "Audio" in raspi-config
[18:32] <niston> but all it does is let me choose between HDMI and 3.5" plug
[18:32] <niston> 3.5mm
[18:32] <MY123> niston: Yes. Do you use an USB sound card?
[18:32] <MY123> (Or I2S
[18:32] <MY123> )
[18:33] <niston> yes
[18:33] <niston> USB
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[18:33] <niston> also I dont understand the output of aplay -L
[18:33] <niston> theres heaps and heaps of "default" and "sysdefault" entries
[18:33] <niston> all pointing to different devices
[18:34] <niston> which one actually *is* the default completely escapes me
[18:34] <justaguy> now i have a mobile raspberry pi
[18:34] <justaguy> but first my evil plan to make a fake hotspot that rickrolls the users
[18:34] <justaguy> and walk around in city
[18:35] <niston> and everywhere it says "Default Audio Device" lol wtf?
[18:35] <justaguy> noo, it redirects all http traffic to the local ip of my pi, and also resolves dns to my pi
[18:36] <niston> I think I need something like "options <bcm device string here> index = 1"
[18:38] <MY123> justaguy: jail
[18:38] <niston> ahh got it to work
[18:38] <justaguy> For making a fake FREEWIFIHOTSPOT that rickrolls the user, no
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[18:39] <justaguy> for awareness about how insecure you are if you simply connect to unknown open wifis
[18:39] <CoJaBo> justaguy: I'm trying to do one of those now, actually..
[18:39] <justaguy> (and put a disclaimer under the rickroll video "this could have been a virus")
[18:40] <justaguy> CoJaBo: it's not that difficult as you think :)
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[18:41] <CoJaBo> I can't get the stupid thing to connect to wifi and ethernet at the same time
[18:41] <justaguy> ah you want that, mine is just going to be wifi only, so it doesn't need ethernet
[18:42] <CoJaBo> I need ethernet to ssh in
[18:42] <justaguy> cl
[18:42] <justaguy> connect to fake wifi and ssh to your pi?
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[18:42] <CoJaBo> I can't finish setting up the AP, as it drops the second I plug the adaptor in
[18:43] <justaguy> i hope mine goes right
[18:43] <justaguy> And then my 15k mAh pack, quick walk through touristic city, and lol <3
[18:43] <CoJaBo> It'd be nice if I could get it to connect to wifi AND run an AP at the same time, but it doesn't look like either the hardware or driver supports that :/
[18:43] <CoJaBo> I'm gonna leave mine in a car parked at a college campus
[18:43] <niston> hah
[18:43] <niston> http://imgur.com/nusn4sE
[18:45] <niston> surprisingly, that works
[18:46] <niston> speakers powered from a Raspberry B model
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[19:18] <ShorTie> CoJaBo, you mean the pi reboots ??
[19:18] <ShorTie> when you plug adapter in that is
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[19:29] <abnormal> ok, anyone doing anything stupid today???
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> stupid? dunno about that, but just had a relaxing afternoon in the garden, having a BBQ, etc..
[19:31] <abnormal> cool... gud for u...
[19:32] <abnormal> I am stuck at B & N working on reviving a win lappy that has bootmgr mess up
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> just install Linux on it.
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[20:03] <theRealGent> hi all. openelec vs raspbmc. thoughts? and also, best remote?
[20:04] <ShorTie> feet, it's healthier
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[20:07] <lost_soul> theRealGent: I've had a great experience with openelec
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[20:10] <niston> hey gordon
[20:10] <niston> how was the BBQ?
[20:11] <niston> btw people: never buy anything from AudioLink.eu
[20:11] <niston> quality is crap and support nonexistent -.-
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[20:13] <theRealGent> Can the PI really run 1080 with no stuttering?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> yes
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[20:16] <shiftplusone> easily
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[20:19] <theRealGent> but how about those codec unlocks you need to buy?
[20:19] <`Nef> Has anyone here bought a Banana Pi? 0.o
[20:20] <niston> theRealGent: http://www.amazon.de/Hama-Remote-Control-PC-Fernbedienung-andere/dp/B000X1EL4W
[20:20] <`Nef> I'm actually fairly surprised that there wasn't really an 'explosion' of interest
[20:20] <niston> this works very well
[20:20] <niston> at least with raspbmc
[20:21] <shiftplusone> `Nef, so real interest, but plenty of spam.
[20:21] <gjm> `Nef: Me.
[20:21] <shiftplusone> *no
[20:21] <`Nef> oh, you got spam here?
[20:21] <`Nef> apologies if you see my question as such a low thing
[20:21] <shiftplusone> Nope, but they did try to use the forum to advertise their product.
[20:22] <`Nef> I think I came across a couple of posts.
[20:22] <niston> well we had spam here, about two or three hours ago :P
[20:22] <`Nef> oh really?
[20:22] <`Nef> I remember this channel being rather desolate
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[20:22] <niston> yeah, for guess what, the banana pi :P
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[20:22] <`Nef> lol
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[20:23] <`Nef> the SATA is the biggest point for me
[20:23] <niston> on the banana?
[20:23] <`Nef> it's the one thing I could *really* do with on my pi
[20:23] <`Nef> gjm, can you benchmark file read/write speeds with a hdd/ssd if you have one lying around?
[20:23] <`Nef> niston, yes
[20:23] <niston> is it "native" or does it run by USB?
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> The Pi, as a tool to further education is perfect. As a more general purpose computer, there are areas were its less so... but for the price?
[20:24] <`Nef> iirc it's native
[20:24] <`Nef> gordonDrogon, I knew someone would pull up that point.
[20:24] <niston> ok, thats a plus then
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> can't have everything.
[20:24] <`Nef> Of course, I didn't infer it could
[20:24] <gjm> `Nef: one second.
[20:24] <`Nef> I just expressed an interest in the *extra* features.
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[20:25] <`Nef> wait, spam as in repeated advertising, or floods?
[20:26] <niston> btw is someone making a "breakout" board for the CM?
[20:26] <gjm> `Nef: http://i.imgur.com/gGnCpjF.png
[20:26] <niston> perhaps with regulator onboard and lots of soldering pads for the diverse signals?
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> isn't the CM IO board already a breakout board?
[20:26] <shiftplusone> niston, I've seen a thread on the forum where someone made them.
[20:26] <niston> it costs $192 !
[20:26] <MY123> 'Nef: Advertising . The banana pi has a bad GPU, but a better CPI
[20:26] <MY123> *cPU
[20:26] <niston> no no no no no no no way ;)
[20:26] <shiftplusone> niston, unfortunately, James Adams took one glance at it and said it's badly designed.
[20:26] <`Nef> gjm, <3 can you test the sd now? ;)
[20:27] <niston> oh, you mean like unmatched traces for USB and the like
[20:27] <`Nef> MY123, thanks.
[20:27] <`Nef> 0.o
[20:27] <`Nef> ShorTie is an op
[20:27] <`Nef> congrats
[20:27] <shiftplusone> niston, I think power was the thing he pointed to straight away. Then sure enough, the guy posted saying that he's having trouble with booting them up.
[20:28] <niston> oh my.
[20:28] <gjm> `Nef: http://i.imgur.com/W2S1ytO.png
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> SD's half the speed, sata double.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> (of a Pi)
[20:29] <gjm> It's 4 class card.
[20:29] <niston> I'd create a breakout, but im a total n00b in Eagle
[20:29] <`Nef> gjm, thanks a lot!
[20:29] <gjm> I have / on HDD.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> niston, what doesn't the CMIO board give you?
[20:29] <gjm> np
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[20:30] <shiftplusone> affordability >.>
[20:30] <niston> gordonDrogon: everything I dont need :)
[20:30] <niston> no really, its just way to expensive for what Im planning
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> so what would you have on your breakout board?
[20:30] <theRealGent> why would you want to install something like couch potato or sickbeard on your PI? I mean, the amount of storage space you have on there is probably really small. How do you guys usually run your HTPC PIs? Do you have a home server NAS connected to it?
[20:31] <niston> regulation and perhaps the LAN/USB chip, but NO headers/connectors whatsoever
[20:31] <niston> well except for SD slot
[20:31] <shiftplusone> theRealGent, I don't use mine as an htpc, but if I did, I'd hook up and HDD to it.
[20:31] <niston> actually, no SD slot duh
[20:31] <niston> just soldering pads
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> theRealGent, I don't use mine as HTPC, but if I did, I'd use NFS to a server.
[20:32] <niston> I'd also leave away the DSI/CSI ports
[20:32] <`Nef> does IT_Sean visit often?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> however I already have the server(s)
[20:32] <niston> and the HDMI
[20:32] <shiftplusone> `Nef, missed him, did ya =P
[20:32] <`Nef> not at all
[20:32] <`Nef> lol
[20:32] <niston> basically everything you wont use when its built into some other device.
[20:32] <`Nef> Even less with ShorTie
[20:33] <niston> ok HDMI is arguable becuz u might want to build a video player or something
[20:33] <niston> but Im thinking more control/command applications here
[20:33] <niston> the breakout should also be relatively small in size
[20:34] <shiftplusone> niston, so you'd basically make an expensive model a?
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[20:34] <niston> yeah
[20:34] <niston> but NO headers
[20:34] <niston> no connectors
[20:34] <shiftplusone> why?
[20:34] <niston> its so silly when you build the raspi into another device
[20:34] <`Nef> ^
[20:34] <niston> and then you have to use large connectors
[20:34] <`Nef> "but that's not what it was meant for"
[20:35] <niston> the CM is
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[20:35] <niston> normally u would design a specific PCB with it
[20:35] <niston> but what about the hobbyist? what about prototyping?
[20:35] <niston> I think such breakout would sell fine - if it worked properly, that is!
[20:35] <shiftplusone> niston, yeah, a good example of a CM-based product is the SLICE. They only have the connectors they need.
[20:35] <niston> exactly
[20:36] <niston> I *might* give it a try one of these days and wrap something up in eagle
[20:36] <shiftplusone> but still.... the CM is kind of expensive if you only add a power supply and a USB/NIC chip.
[20:36] <theRealGent> do you guys recommend some heatsinks if you’re overclocking your PI a little?
[20:36] <`Nef> no
[20:36] <shiftplusone> theRealGent, nope
[20:36] <niston> less expensive than desoldering headers on the other models
[20:36] <niston> I think
[20:37] <`Nef> they're completely unnecessary
[20:37] <`Nef> iirc
[20:37] <theRealGent> why?
[20:37] <`Nef> because they pi doesn't get that hot
[20:37] <niston> not to mention that it probably -and rightly so- voids any and all warranty
[20:37] <`Nef> the*
[20:37] * `Nef only visited to ask about repository.wolfram.com
[20:38] <niston> could also add an USB2517 and a LAN7500
[20:38] <gjm> `Nef: and here is my Banana: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/21/21092014.jpg
[20:38] <niston> instead of the chip thats on the B models
[20:38] <shiftplusone> theRealGent, the pi doesn't get hot enough and the heatsink would sit on top of the RAM, not the chip that would need cooling (and there is no chip that needs cooling anyway)
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[20:38] <`Nef> gjm, where did you get it shipped from?
[20:38] <niston> of course you cant max out the GigE but still USB is 480mbps whereas fast ether is just 100mbps
[20:39] <theRealGent> well if you OC, it would void warranty. So if you’re voiding it, might as well void it a little more providing some heatsinks for heat dissipation
[20:39] <niston> but yeah, teach me how to do it, and I shall do it :P
[20:39] <shiftplusone> you won't void warranty by overclocking
[20:39] <`Nef> does it void the warranty?
[20:39] <niston> haha I even already made an eagle lib for a magjack
[20:39] <shiftplusone> Warranty void condition: (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[20:40] <niston> gige magjack that is
[20:40] <niston> link to the lib is on the pi forum :p
[20:40] <gjm> `Nef: Directly from LeMaker
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[20:41] <niston> there: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=84730&p=598959
[20:43] <theRealGent> so you guys OC with no heatsinks?
[20:43] <theRealGent> not concerned about lower product life?
[20:44] <abnormal> no, the chips are made to get hot... if you don't overclock it, then it is safe the way it is..
[20:44] <theRealGent> i’m going to overclock it ;)
[20:45] <shiftplusone> theRealGent, again, the heatsink would not help.
[20:45] <theRealGent> alright
[20:45] <shiftplusone> and if the chip's life is in any way reduced, it will be long after you care about it.
[20:45] <abnormal> but if you do over clock it then depends on how much you do it, you may want a mini fan in it
[20:45] <shiftplusone> the chip will last a decade under normal conditions
[20:46] <abnormal> or centrys
[20:46] <shiftplusone> theRealGent, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=87181&p=616313#p616208
[20:46] <shiftplusone> and note that you won't get it even to 85, unless you go out of your way to.
[20:47] <gjm> CPU: Dual core ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l) (-MCP-) (ARM) Clock speeds: max: 1008 MHz 1: 960 MHz 2: 960 MHz
[20:47] <gjm> Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 36.2C mobo: N/A Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
[20:47] <gjm> ;]
[20:48] <gjm> 42°C on stress
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[20:49] <theRealGent> so i read that overvolting voids warranty
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[20:50] <shiftplusone> theRealGent, I pasted the exact warranty void condition
[20:50] <theRealGent> that’s where i read it from :D
[20:50] <shiftplusone> it's if you overvolt AND do one of the three other things
[20:50] <shiftplusone> (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[20:50] <shiftplusone> >_<
[20:51] <theRealGent> what is temp_limit? It’s saying if it ever reaches that temp, the warranty is voided?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> nope
[20:51] <gjm> lol
[20:51] <shiftplusone> by default, the pi will turn off overclocking if the temperature goes above 85
[20:51] <shiftplusone> you can change that limit
[20:52] <shiftplusone> so if you set it to over 85 AND overvolt, that will set the warranty void bit.
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[21:04] <CPCookieMan> So I wrote this program for my office and didn't end up using it, so I'm releasing it open source for anyone who wants it. What it does is run a little server connected to your Spotify account, and then a web server to control it. Basically, you access this web server, tell it what to play, and then the music plays through your server's speakers. This is great if you have a Pi hooked up to a nice stereo system in your
[21:04] <CPCookieMan> house or whatever. Have a look here if you're interested: https://github.com/CPCookieMan/remote-spotify-web-client
[21:05] <`Nef> soundcloud > spotify
[21:05] <`Nef> ;)
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[21:13] <Mr_Sheesh> How would you read that warranty void bit, to verify that a used RPi didn't have the warranty voided ?
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[21:17] <Mr_Sheesh> cat /proc/cpuinfo OK, ben using mine to run an embedded thing, getting more so I wanted to check :)
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> grep Revision /proc/cpuinfo
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> if it's a 4-digit number then you're fine. if it is > 1000000 then it's wattany voided.
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[21:20] <Mr_Sheesh> Yeah, I think I'll start writing a PiTest app (new to RPis, been coding since the 70s) and that test can be one of the first things to test. I like to test hardware, usually write embedded stuff including HW tests for those, so this'd be a good test to do :)
[21:20] <theRealGent> thanks shiftplusone. That explains a lot to me :) what is current_limit override though?
[21:21] <theRealGent> do I need to set that to OC? So it seems like I can ramp up the voltage and clock all I like as long as I dont touch the max temp, force_turbo, and ovverride?
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[21:31] <theRealGent> also, does anyone know if there is a certain class of SD card that doesnt yield benefits to the pi due to usb bus limitations? If I buy the highest class SD card, can I utilize the performance gains?
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> I like class 6's - I have one c10, but it's no faster than the c6.
[21:32] <`Nef> iirc class 4 seemed to be the best at not corrupting
[21:32] <`Nef> and class 10's were the worst
[21:32] <`Nef> (?)
[21:34] <shiftplusone> the best would be the official card, since its tuned for the pi
[21:34] <shiftplusone> the rest are designed with cameras in mind
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> I've no had an issue with corruptions in the past 2 years no matter what cards I've used (other than a card going properly bad)
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> I think the official one is c6, but I'd need to check...
[21:35] <theRealGent> The one hesitation i have with the NOOBS card is that it’s vouched for by the pi foundation, and is preloaded with OS’s. So I feel like I’ll end up paying a premium just for this, when in reality I will end up formatting it anyways.
[21:36] <theRealGent> And I also read the classes only refer to write speeds? So I see why that’s important for something like a DSLR. But I’m mainly concerned about read speeds for boot up time, and XBMC operation.
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> theRealGent, it's one of the cheapest ways I know to get a good quality SD card.
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> I bought a bunch a while back and just reflashed with direclty with Raspbian.
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> theRealGent, read speed is going to be about 20MB/sec.
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[21:52] <chris_99> is that the max read speed across the sd card bus gordonDrogon
[21:52] <chris_99> regardless of card
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, I've a funny feeling it might be.
[21:58] <Mr_Sheesh> I was just concerned about the NOOBS cards as someone'd had problems writing over one, could have just been one bad card tho
[22:01] <theRealGent> thats bad..
[22:02] <theRealGent> anyone currently using an ac usb wifi adapter with their pi?
[22:02] <justaguy> "ac" ?
[22:03] <chris_99> Air Conditioning?
[22:03] <theRealGent> seriously?
[22:04] <theRealGent> usb ac wifi*
[22:04] <shiftplusone> theRealGent, I used one and saw no difference. Maybe the access point was at fault, but still
[22:04] <theRealGent> shiftplusone: but it was successfully working on your rasp linux system? Could you give me the model or chipset of the adapter?
[22:04] <chris_99> oh wifi 802.11ac or something
[22:04] <shiftplusone> edimax ac, don't remember the specifics
[22:05] <shiftplusone> I have testing results in a spreadsheet somewhere, but I'm lazy right now
[22:05] <shiftplusone> RTL8811AU
[22:05] <theRealGent> shiftplusone: I looked at that edimax one, but I also read that you need to install the proprietary linux drivers edimax has available
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[22:05] <theRealGent> yup! thats the one i was checking out
[22:05] <shiftplusone> don't know about proprietary, but it didn't work out of the box and the drivers needed to be compiled
[22:05] <theRealGent> i saw there’s an open source driver on github, but not sure if merged into linux
[22:06] <theRealGent> shiftplusone: https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au
[22:06] <theRealGent> ?
[22:06] <shiftplusone> probably
[22:07] <theRealGent> there seems to be another https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux
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[22:10] <shiftplusone> one oddity about that dongle
[22:11] <shiftplusone> no signal inside a faraday cage (with an access point)
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[22:11] <shiftplusone> probably too much stuff bouncing around messing things up, but most others worked fine.
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[22:19] <theRealGent> http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-8GB-Preloaded-NOOBS-Card/dp/B00ENPQ1GK/ref=pd_sim_sbs_pc_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1C9QJH4668D46JXTATAW
[22:19] <theRealGent> Damn that’s a good price.
[22:20] <shiftplusone> seems more expensive than the source http://swag.raspberrypi.org/collections/frontpage/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
[22:20] <shiftplusone> though it's sold out
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[22:20] <theRealGent> damn :(
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[22:24] <`Nef> I wonder why that raynerd guy stopped using his pi
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[22:26] <shiftplusone> he has?
[22:28] <shiftplusone> `Nef, and I appreciate the dc gesture, thanks. (But I don't use it)
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[22:29] <`Nef> I know lol; it was a joke, like the original intention of the currency ;)
[22:29] <`Nef> And yeah
[22:30] <`Nef> He/it hasn't posted to twitter since july
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[22:30] <shiftplusone> Probably means he's busy
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[22:33] <`Nef> Perhaps
[22:33] <`Nef> You've got quite a good memory, shiftplusone.
[22:33] <`Nef> Heh
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[22:34] <shiftplusone> I've spent hours helping him get his weather station going, 'course I remember. >_<
[22:34] <shiftplusone> And I owe him a thanks for something else too
[22:35] <`Nef> Did you ever get more into python?
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> Nuh, python just isn't my thing.
[22:35] <shiftplusone> I went to the linux kernel side of things.
[22:35] <`Nef> It's C you like, isn't it?
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> aye
[22:37] <theRealGent> I can’t imagine “liking C"
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[22:39] <shiftplusone> I like programming and C gets me nice and close to the hardware, so what's not to like?
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[22:40] <`Nef> I guess.
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> I'd use python for web development and such though.
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[22:42] <`Nef> Flask/Django/Tornado?
[22:42] <shiftplusone> flask
[22:43] <`Nef> Nice, anyone recommend it to you?
[22:44] <shiftplusone> nope, just a bit of research made me settle on it
[22:44] <shiftplusone> actually wait
[22:44] <shiftplusone> yeah someone first got me to look at it
[22:44] <shiftplusone> not from here though
[22:45] <shiftplusone> the guys who did this http://wotmud.linszner.com/smobs.php
[22:45] <`Nef> Weird
[22:45] <shiftplusone> ... I had a MUD stage for a few weeks
[22:45] <`Nef> I thought I talked to you about it
[22:45] <shiftplusone> *phase
[22:45] <`Nef> lol
[22:46] <shiftplusone> probably
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[22:49] <`Nef> Oh wow
[22:49] <`Nef> I know lots of people here
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[22:50] <`Nef> Besides, any fixes for the lack of repository.wolfram.com being down?
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[22:51] <`Nef> Ugh
[22:51] <`Nef> I didn't type that properly
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[22:52] <`Nef> Anything I could do to get around the lack of repository.wolfram.com and therefore the inability to update?*
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[22:55] <toresbe> Hey, I've got a question regarding the VideoCore. Is it possible to insert video in lines above #23?
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I ran a MUD once. It stayed up for about 22 years.
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[22:59] <evil_dan2wik> Don't play in the mud.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> yea. It crashed a few months ago and I never bothered restarting it.
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[23:05] <CoJaBo> toresbe: You appear to need to sign an NDA to know that :/
[23:06] <CoJaBo> toresbe: If you ask on the forums, someone from the foundation might have access to the docs tho
[23:07] <shiftplusone> I'm not sure I understand the question
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[23:07] <toresbe> CoJaBo: sigh. :/ thanks
[23:08] <toresbe> well, I'm writing a teletext server for a national TV channel, but I'd like some way to test it in isolation before I insert it into the broadcast chain :)
[23:08] <[Saint]> Its *so* cute that people still use terrestrial teletext
[23:09] <toresbe> yeah, I'm doing it for fun and no other reason, this is a community TV station, all open-source :)
[23:09] <[Saint]> One of the things I would've thought dies out looooooong ago.
[23:09] <[Saint]> *died
[23:09] <[Saint]> also - awesome
[23:09] <toresbe> I used to work at a big license broadcaster. Teletext was still in use. People remember "their" page, and you can't beat the access time when you do.
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[23:10] <[Saint]> We still have teletext here, but, its all digital...and encrypted, so the spirit kinda left the building I think.
[23:10] <toresbe> shiftplusone: I don't know if you know what Teletext is?
[23:10] <shiftplusone> I do
[23:11] <toresbe> well, that's encoded in the lines of video that are "above" your CRT, typically lines 7-12 or something like that.
[23:11] <[Saint]> Though its in a near death experience in his native locale too. ;)
[23:11] <shiftplusone> Not the specifics of how it works, but yeah.
[23:11] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:11] <shiftplusone> toresbe, will you be on tomorrow?
[23:11] <toresbe> shiftplusone: probably yeah
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[23:11] <toresbe> config.txt hints that you can disable overscan...
[23:11] <shiftplusone> k, I'll ask someone in the office.
[23:12] <[Saint]> toresbe: you can indeed
[23:12] <evil_dan2wik> why does my Pi think there is no network connection?
[23:12] <[Saint]> not sure that's what you're looking for though.
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[23:12] <evil_dan2wik> The lights are flashing and I cant SSH to it but it has no internet.
[23:12] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: just a guess...but, maybe because it can't establish a network connection?
[23:12] <evil_dan2wik> can*
[23:12] <toresbe> well, just a way to make what my TV sees as PAL video line 7-14 or thereabouts, possible to write to.
[23:12] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], except I can SSH to it.
[23:13] <[Saint]> Oh. Hmmm.
[23:13] <toresbe> If I disable overscan totally, then maybe, maybe that might work.
[23:13] <[Saint]> SO, you mispoke.
[23:13] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[23:13] <[Saint]> It *can* access the network.
[23:13] <[Saint]> But not the outside world, I gather?
[23:13] <evil_dan2wik> yeah, I meant internet.
[23:13] <[Saint]> Right.
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[23:13] <evil_dan2wik> It comes back with no route to host on most things.
[23:14] <toresbe> sudo route add default gw eth0 <insert your gateway here>
[23:14] <toresbe> but that's just a temporary fix of course
[23:14] <evil_dan2wik> which gateway?
[23:14] <toresbe> your gateway, I can't know what that is :)
[23:15] <evil_dan2wik> I have 2 routers that the Pi goes through.
[23:15] <toresbe> What is the OS of your other computer?
[23:15] <toresbe> well, then it's the first router - you can figure it out from there.
[23:15] <evil_dan2wik> windows.
[23:15] <toresbe> If it's Windows, then tracert google.com and see what the first hop on the route is; that's your gateway.
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[23:16] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: as long as you're willing to field questions to various Broadcommy peoples, care to ask someone why on earth they made that upcoming WiFi adapter the wost form factor imaginable? ;)
[23:16] <[Saint]> Its HIDEOUS.
[23:16] <[Saint]> Why...why oh why...did they not stack the ports.
[23:16] <toresbe> shiftplusone: oh, you work with the Pi?
[23:16] <[Saint]> We all do, in some fashion. ;)
[23:16] <toresbe> shiftplusone: (ie. what office is the office you're asking? :))
[23:17] <shiftplusone> toresbe, yeah, I work at pihq.
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[23:17] <toresbe> shiftplusone: oh, neato.
[23:17] <shiftplusone> [Saint], do you have a link to what you're talking about?
[23:17] <[Saint]> sec.
[23:17] <shiftplusone> (I think I know, but want to make sure)
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[23:18] <[Saint]> This hideous turd:
[23:18] <[Saint]> http://blog.broadcom.com/raspberry-pi/want-wi-fi-for-your-raspberry-pi-broadcom-adapter-brings-connectivity-with-less-power/
[23:18] <toresbe> shiftplusone: well, if you could ask someone if it would be possible to either insert VBI data or to map the framebuffer in a way that lines before PAL line 22 are addressable in the framebuffer, that'd be sweet. :)
[23:18] <[Saint]> Oh god its so ugly...
[23:18] <evil_dan2wik> toresbe, 1: 1ms 1ms 1ms 2: 1ms 1ms 1ms iPrimusMP264.home []
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[23:19] <shiftplusone> Yup, that's the one
[23:19] <shiftplusone> (hence the faraday cage and testing talk a while back)
[23:19] <toresbe> evil_dan2wik: then your default gw should probably be (and you should consider possibly removing one of them if you're a gamer because latency)
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[23:19] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: what's your view on the form factor?
[23:19] <shiftplusone> what do you think?
[23:19] <evil_dan2wik> toresbe, not enough hard wired slots for all our hardware
[23:20] <shiftplusone> the thing I tested had the same chip, but didn't look like that.
[23:20] <shiftplusone> I did see one of those around though
[23:20] <toresbe> evil_dan2wik: you mean not enough ethernet plugs?
[23:20] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[23:20] <toresbe> a switch is your friend. :)
[23:20] <[Saint]> Not if you're broke.
[23:20] <evil_dan2wik> no idea what that is.
[23:20] <[Saint]> If you buy a cheap switch, you'll pay for it for all eternity.
[23:21] <[Saint]> No end of woe.
[23:21] <toresbe> if you're broke then you either do what I do, find one in a dumpster :) - or you can just disable the DHCP server on your second router and use that as a switch, but it's really no biggie.
[23:21] <shiftplusone> I guess they figured you've got three ports on it, so a triangular shape makes sense, but yea... that's not something the engineers would've done.
[23:21] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: in simplest terms, a network switch is a "router make more ports thingy"
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[23:22] <evil_dan2wik> can I use the current router as a switch then?
[23:22] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: so I take it the hardware you were working with was functionally identical but aesthetically rather different?
[23:23] <toresbe> I wouldn't recommend it unless you're bothered by it
[23:23] <toresbe> A router actively inspects the traffic. A masquerading router (one that does NAT) does some fairly comprehensive looking into the traffic. That costs you a few milliseconds, which can be problematic for online gaming.
[23:23] <[Saint]> /some/ consumer routers have a dedicated switch mode.
[23:23] <toresbe> A packet from here to Sweden will spend most of its time between my desktop and my router.
[23:23] <[Saint]> Very few, though.
[23:23] <shiftplusone> something like that
[23:24] <toresbe> (I'm in Norway, is a relevant data point :))
[23:24] <evil_dan2wik> toresbe, I need 4 ethernet ports
[23:24] <evil_dan2wik> The internet router has 4 ports but the way it works is it uses 1 of the ports as either internet in or ethernet out.
[23:24] <[Saint]> a 64 port switch is only a few hundred bucks.
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[23:25] <[Saint]> Mine's rather a bit above consumer grade...but it wasn't /hugely/ expensive.
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[23:25] <evil_dan2wik> I don't have any money.
[23:25] <[Saint]> I have a feeling my network is slightly larger, though.
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[23:26] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: did you get to play with their WICD Sense module?
[23:26] * [Saint] is kinda interested in it
[23:26] <evil_dan2wik> The Pi is still getting no route to host.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> I use a Linux box with 5 Ethernet ports as a router, etc. ...
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> all good fun!
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[23:27] <shiftplusone> nope
[23:27] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, isn't that just a router?
[23:27] <[Saint]> like he said...
[23:27] <[Saint]> yes.
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[23:28] * [Saint] uses a real machine as a firewall/router/NAT/NAS too.
[23:28] <[Saint]> bunch of Gig-E cards in it. Old girl.
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, well it's does routing/traffic management/acts as a backup server, and does other stuff.
[23:28] * [Saint] puzzles
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> so it's a router plus a bit more.
[23:29] <[Saint]> "The new USB Wi-Fi adapter for Raspberry Pi sports two USB ports and 802.11 b/g/n support in a very low-power package.
[23:29] <[Saint]> That last bit is a big selling point, since it frees up the Raspberry Pi’s computing power to do other nifty things."
[23:29] <[Saint]> I...what?
[23:29] <[Saint]> Who wrote that?
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> you did :)
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[23:29] <evil_dan2wik> I still have no idea how to fix this.
[23:29] <[Saint]> "low power" == "frees up computing power"?
[23:29] <[Saint]> Errrr...ok.
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[23:29] <shiftplusone> Just don't question it
[23:29] <[Saint]> Haha
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[23:30] <[Saint]> Gotta love marketing.
[23:30] <[Saint]> Where the facts don't matter, and the points are completely made up.
[23:30] <[Saint]> Oh, no, that's Who's Line.
[23:30] <shiftplusone> I guess the marketing person was told that it's low power and that the dongle doesn't chew up the pi's processing power by doing decryption on-board and that's what came out.
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[23:31] <[Saint]> I would be _very_ impressed if it made an appreciable, or even measureable, difference.
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[23:33] <[Saint]> Hideous or no, if it did over 15dBm output power, I'd be interested.
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[23:33] <[Saint]> I'm pretty bloody certain I could get it kicking out some more juice.
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[23:36] <CoJaBo> ?
[23:36] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], nuclear reactor
[23:37] <evil_dan2wik> I still have no route to host on the Pi
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[23:40] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I'd not go out buying it just yet though. Wait until it's a product that has been out in the field a little.
[23:40] <[Saint]> Oh, certainly.
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[23:40] <[Saint]> My current hardware is orders of magnitude greater I believe.
[23:40] <[Saint]> I just wanted to play with their WICD Sense module.
[23:41] <[Saint]> (and none of my adapters do that)
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[23:44] <evil_dan2wik> How do I fix it?
[23:44] <evil_dan2wik> I added the route to and nothing.
[23:45] <ringz> not 162?
[23:45] <evil_dan2wik> oh, it is 168
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[23:46] <evil_dan2wik> hold on a sec
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[23:52] <evil_dan2wik> working now
[23:52] <evil_dan2wik> thanks
[23:53] <ringz> was it 168?
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[23:59] <evil_dan2wik> yes.

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