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IRC Log for 2014-09-22

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[0:06] <evil_dan2wik> I am getting no route to host still on some things when running apt-get update
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[0:06] <evil_dan2wik> all of the wolfram repositories are no route to host
[0:07] <evil_dan2wik> the others seem to be working fine.
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[0:47] <evil_dan2wik> Having problems with rpi-update: http://pastebin.com/QcDczZpC
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[1:09] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, is your time set correctly?
[1:10] <shiftplusone> and do you have ca-certificates installed
[1:10] <evil_dan2wik> time set, yes.
[1:10] <[Saint]> One would have had to explicitely remove it, no?
[1:10] <evil_dan2wik> ca-certs, no.
[1:10] <evil_dan2wik> or at least, I haven't installed it
[1:10] <[Saint]> Is that a "no, I know its not installed" or "I'm not aware, I didn't install it"
[1:10] <[Saint]> Aha.
[1:11] <[Saint]> It _should_ be a default package.
[1:11] <[Saint]> Unless you're using a very minimal base install, which I somewhat doubt.
[1:12] <shiftplusone> that's all I've got https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update#troubleshooting
[1:12] * [Saint] generally advises against using rpi-update unless you have a very specific reason to
[1:13] <[Saint]> ie. jumping to the 'next' kernel branch.
[1:13] <shiftplusone> I've changed my mind about rpi-update and think it's a necessary evil for now.
[1:13] <[Saint]> One of those "leave well enough alone" type things.
[1:13] <bnmorgan> necessary evil is still evil
[1:14] <evil_dan2wik> This is an install I did about a year ago
[1:14] <shiftplusone> (it's not really evil, it's just not debianish)
[1:14] <[Saint]> Why oh why doesn't raspbian handle this ala Arch with metapackages?
[1:14] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: ohhhhh - don;t say that on the forum. ;)
[1:14] <[Saint]> You'll get banned.
[1:14] <[Saint]> :P
[1:14] <shiftplusone> right
[1:15] <[Saint]> (but, you're quite correct - as are those who have said so before and fallen)
[1:15] * plugwash thinks rpi-update is now an unnessacery evil
[1:15] <[Saint]> I solve/avoid this issue entirely by using Arch which handles kernel and firmware updates in a _much_ saner fashion.
[1:15] <ozzzy> debian ain't so great
[1:15] <[Saint]> plugwash: you and me both pal.
[1:15] <shiftplusone> plugwash, does the work you did allow people to install firmware from date x ?
[1:16] <[Saint]> Except I wouldn't say its "now" unneseccary.
[1:16] <[Saint]> I would say it always was.
[1:17] <plugwash> shiftplusone, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=80023&p=582398&hilit=nightly+bootloader#p576613
[1:17] <[Saint]> Does anyone have any insight as to why Raspbian doesn't handle this like virtually every other nixish operating system does?
[1:17] <shiftplusone> Cool, I'll try it out next time I think of using rpi-update and if it does what it says on the tin, recommend it to others.
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[1:19] <plugwash> [Saint], well the current situation wasn't really designed, it grew
[1:20] <[Saint]> Leaving raspbian behind definitely wasn't a decision I regret.
[1:21] <shiftplusone> [Saint], also, I've never had to watch my tongue on the forum and have spoken ill of some decisions, rpi-update and so on. People get banned not for what they say, but the way they say it. The people who get banned usually hammer on the same point over and over, whether it's relevant to the thread or not. It's not so much that they present an opposing point of view, but go on tirades of the evi
[1:21] <shiftplusone> ls of doing things the way they don't like.
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[1:21] <evil_dan2wik> No such package: ca-certificates
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[1:22] <shiftplusone> That doesn't sound good O_o
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[1:22] <[Saint]> No, it doesn't.
[1:22] <plugwash> evil_dan2wik, is this a raspbian system
[1:22] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[1:22] <[Saint]> It _definitely_ should be there if this is a raspbian system.
[1:23] <[Saint]> Unless you specifically removed it.
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[1:23] <plugwash> [Saint], initially there was no mechanism for updating the firmware other than downloading it manually, hexxeh hacked together rpi-update, the debian packaging came later, then the foundation started de-facto using the debian packages as a "stable" channel and "rpi-update" and similar tools as a bleeding edge channel
[1:24] <plugwash> evil_dan2wik, what is giving you that error? dpkg? apt?
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[1:26] <plugwash> [Saint], this situation persisted until I did some contract work for the raspberry pi foundation, part of that was setting up nightly build images and part of that was setting up a nighly build firmware repo but awareness of said repo still seems low :(
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[1:28] <evil_dan2wik> apt-get
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[1:29] <plugwash> hmm, what is the contents of your sources.list? have you run apt-get update recently and if so did it complete without errors?
[1:30] <evil_dan2wik> most of the wolfram sources had no route to host
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[1:32] <plugwash> can you remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/wolfram.list and try running apt-get update again
[1:34] <evil_dan2wik> no more no route to host
[1:34] <evil_dan2wik> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[1:34] <evil_dan2wik> ca-certificates
[1:35] <evil_dan2wik> no idea why it wasn't installed if it comes pre-installed
[1:35] <psyclepath> plugwash, well that channel is dead, meaning nobody in the room
[1:35] <evil_dan2wik> and rpi-update was working last time it was connected to the internet (2 months ago)
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[1:39] <evil_dan2wik> rpi-update is working now.
[1:40] <Tachyon`> why is this fairly stale pi article fourth place in the most popular BBC articles atm? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20757261
[1:40] <Tachyon`> has something happened today?
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[1:42] <shiftplusone> O_o
[1:42] * shiftplusone shrugs
[1:42] <shiftplusone> Probably all the traffic from you linking it just then >.>
[1:42] <Tachyon`> I may go backwards through time, my links do not -.o
[1:44] <evil_dan2wik> how do you know
[1:44] <evil_dan2wik> time zones and all that stuff is pretty much time travel
[1:44] <shiftplusone> THere's pycon , but I don't see how it could have anything to do with it.
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[2:01] * [Saint] points out that Tachyon` is merely hypothetical and as such we don't have to listen to him/her. :p
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[2:01] * Tachyon` points out that saints only exist because people believe in the hypothetical
[2:01] <[Saint]> Current observations of our observable universe suggest that you're impossible
[2:02] <[Saint]> Many misguided people believe I exist, though. ;)
[2:02] <ozzzy> and if you were we couldn't communicate with you
[2:02] <Tachyon`> current lack of observations of gods suggest they're implausible
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[2:02] <[Saint]> Yep. I can dig that.
[2:02] <Tachyon`> seriously, 1am and this sort of discussion, lol
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[2:03] <Tachyon`> http://kupo.be/pics/oldelites-small.jpg
[2:03] <Tachyon`> here, view some elites instead
[2:04] <[Saint]> Is....Is that The Elite Four?
[2:04] * [Saint] gets his Pokemon ready for battle
[2:04] <Tachyon`> no, the new elite you will find grabs of me playing the beta of in http://kupo.be/pics/elite/
[2:04] <Tachyon`> see me get a criminal record for attempting a docking the old fashioned way
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[2:13] <evil_dan2wik> will the raspberry pi run a minecraft server easily?
[2:15] <PhotoJim> evil_dan2wik: I doubt it. doesn't a good Minecraft server need half a gig to a gig of RAM?
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[2:15] <evil_dan2wik> no idea
[2:15] <evil_dan2wik> trying anyway
[2:16] <PhotoJim> no harm in trying
[2:16] <evil_dan2wik> starting with 400M ram
[2:16] <evil_dan2wik> and a low server-side view radius
[2:16] <evil_dan2wik> of 4
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[2:22] <evil_dan2wik> pretty slow
[2:22] <evil_dan2wik> I should overclock the Pi more.
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[2:23] <evil_dan2wik> already at 1050MHz
[2:23] <bnmorgan> hmm
[2:23] <bnmorgan> typed startx, got odd error
[2:23] <bnmorgan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwcv6p5n0n6q28y/Screenshot%202014-09-21%2019.21.58.png?dl=0
[2:24] <bnmorgan> don't know enough to interpret
[2:25] <shiftplusone> bnmorgan, not really an error
[2:25] <shiftplusone> safe to ignore
[2:25] <bnmorgan> er, ok.
[2:25] <bnmorgan> nothing happens afterward.
[2:26] <[Saint]> Doesn't seem safe to ignore if the end result isn;t starting X
[2:26] <[Saint]> Y'know...'cos starting X seemed to be the intended action. ;)
[2:27] <shiftplusone> [Saint], that particular 'error' isn't really an error and will show up every time.
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[2:27] <shiftplusone> In fact, the output is exactly what you'd expect to see when starting X from ssh
[2:27] <bnmorgan> not getting video signal thru to my monitor either.
[2:28] <bnmorgan> so i'm kinda stuck with ssh till i can get that going
[2:28] <evil_dan2wik> what is the record for the highest Pi overclock without hardware mods or liquid nitrogen?
[2:28] <shiftplusone> bnmorgan, what do you expect to happen when you startx if you have no video output?
[2:28] <bnmorgan> damifino
[2:28] <bnmorgan> that's why i'm here asking for help
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[2:29] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: Once upon a time I was holing 1.8GB stable
[2:29] <shiftplusone> bnmorgan, well, exactly that. X started successfully and is running, you just can't see it.
[2:29] <[Saint]> Errr, GHz, rather
[2:29] <evil_dan2wik> Really? ok
[2:29] <shiftplusone> [Saint], Word on the street it that there's a 1.2GHz limit. How did you get around that?
[2:29] <bnmorgan> stay off the street?
[2:30] <bnmorgan> shiftplusone how do i enable video output or whatever i need to do to get it talking thru hdmi to my monitor?
[2:30] <bnmorgan> so that i can use startx
[2:30] <bnmorgan> and see it
[2:30] <shiftplusone> I don't know what the problem is in your case. It should 'just work'.
[2:31] <shiftplusone> And it's a bit too late here to run down the typical troubleshooting questions.
[2:31] <shiftplusone> I'm sure someone will jump in and help though
[2:31] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], if there is a 1.2GHz limit, then your 1.8GHz clock could just be 1.2
[2:31] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: errr...there is? Is this a recent thing? Or is it possible that it lets one set these values, and even reports these values, but is actually hard limited?
[2:32] <[Saint]> Others have reported _much_ higher clocks.
[2:32] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_output_at_all
[2:32] <[Saint]> Like..._MUCH_ higher.
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[2:32] <[Saint]> 2.5GHz+ type higher.
[2:32] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], there must be, someone got to 3.7GHz with liquid nitrogen
[2:32] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I suspect they were actually running 1.2GHz
[2:32] <[Saint]> Hmmmm.
[2:32] <shiftplusone> I do believe there is a way to get around that limit, but don't know it off the top of my head
[2:33] <bnmorgan> should i have to reboot after connecting monitor?
[2:33] <shiftplusone> I asked since you'd know if you got to 1.8
[2:33] <shiftplusone> bnmorgan, yes
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[2:33] <[Saint]> Its been a couple of years since I looked at this.
[2:33] <[Saint]> I definitely don't recall doing anything special.
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[2:33] <[Saint]> Only overvolting.
[2:34] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=76294#p545005
[2:34] <[Saint]> That doesn't seem to gel with my experiences at all.
[2:35] <[Saint]> That's...odd.
[2:35] <[Saint]> There was noteable instability at high clocks.
[2:35] <bnmorgan> i get video signal from rca but not hdmi
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[2:36] <bnmorgan> my little screen that uses rca signal is way too small to actually read....but ok to check with
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[2:36] <shiftplusone> bnmorgan, that troubleshooting page should help
[2:37] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_output_at_all
[2:37] <bnmorgan> ahh ok. i missed it first time around. ty
[2:37] <evil_dan2wik> oh wow
[2:37] <evil_dan2wik> I just managed to boot a full ftb server on the Pi
[2:38] <shiftplusone> ftb?
[2:38] <[Saint]> Bet it runs like _ass_.
[2:38] <[Saint]> Feed The Beast. Minecraft futzery.
[2:39] <shiftplusone> ah
[2:39] <[Saint]> TL;DR: specialists in trying to turn minecraft into something it wasn't ever intended to be
[2:39] <shiftplusone> It has been too long since I touched minecraft
[2:40] <[Saint]> Its primarily maps, texture packs, detail stuffs, maing Minecraft look like a polished turd.
[2:40] <bnmorgan> no, hasn't been long enough.
[2:40] <[Saint]> Hahaha
[2:40] <bnmorgan> go play with real legos. digilegos aren't as much fun
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[2:43] <bnmorgan> ok
[2:43] <bnmorgan> on the elinux page, are those commands like hdmi_safe=1 just commands or do they go into some file somewhere
[2:44] <bnmorgan> because i remember doing hdmi_force_hotplug=1 somewhere last time i tried something like this
[2:44] <bnmorgan> but that's been a long while and i don't rem how
[2:44] <[Saint]> /boot/config.txt should be the go.
[2:45] <[Saint]> As you would've needed to do for force_hotplug
[2:46] <bnmorgan> so would safe=1 or force hotplug likely be more effective
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[2:47] <[Saint]> No idea. I've used a display with my raspis approximately twice.
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[2:49] <wombledom> hello
[2:49] <plugwash> safe=1 forces a whole load of settings that are designed to maximise the chance of getting some sort of outpur
[2:49] <wombledom> anyone know if this will work for putting a pi to a 5v device
[2:49] <wombledom> http://i.imgur.com/YvxXCbx.jpg
[2:49] <plugwash> downside is it's very low resoloution
[2:50] <plugwash> wombledom, well the diagram doesn't say what the chips actually are
[2:51] <wombledom> http://d3i5bpxkxvwmz.cloudfront.net/resized/images/remote/http_s.eeweb.com/articles/2014/08/04/16-bit-Dual-Supply-Bus-Transceiver-1407131466_400_137.png
[2:51] <wombledom> that thing
[2:51] <shiftplusone> MS Paint is not a very good CAD package >_<
[2:52] <wombledom> lol
[2:52] <wombledom> i don't know what else to use
[2:52] <plugwash> wombledom, if you want electronics advice you need to provide actual part numbers and/or links to datasheets
[2:52] <plugwash> not tiny extracts
[2:53] <shiftplusone> fritzing is popular with beginners. Then there's Eagle, kicad and that other one. But anyway, that's not relevant.
[2:53] <wombledom> http://www.adafruit.com/products/735?gclid=CPmOkYHO88ACFZSFfgod3C4ArA
[2:53] <wombledom> 78C307K thingy
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[2:56] <wombledom> i thought that was a typical transciever format
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[2:56] * plugwash would not describe the chip you linked as a "level shifter"
[2:57] <plugwash> The circuit you posted will work if the chip on the left is the chip you linked and the chip on the right is the equivilent part from the HCT family
[2:58] <plugwash> but why someone would use two chips to do what can be done in one i'm not sure
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[2:58] <wombledom> because i don't want 5v going to my fpga
[2:58] <wombledom> when i change direction
[3:00] <plugwash> ok we need to take a step backwards, what exactly are you trying to connect to what?
[3:00] <wombledom> a 8086 to a fpga
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[3:01] <wombledom> the 8086 will fry the fpga if connected directly, and the fpga doesn't seem to reach high enough to be a stable 1 to the 8086
[3:01] <plugwash> ..... when you initially asked about the circuit you were talking about a Pi, now you are talking about an 8086 and a Pi
[3:01] <plugwash> * an 8086 and an fpga
[3:01] <wombledom> because i plan on using the pi too
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[3:02] <plugwash> As I said if the chip on the left is a 74LVC245 and the chip on the right is a 74HCT245 that circuit will work for interfacing a 3.3V system to a 5V system
[3:02] <wombledom> theyre the same
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[3:03] <bnmorgan> well, enabled all the things that seemed to relate to hdmi in the config.txt one at a time, still get "check video cable"
[3:03] <wombledom> i have 3 right now and 4 more on its way lol
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[3:06] <plugwash> If the right chip is also an LVC part it might work but you will be overvolting the chip on the right and you will also be fairly borderline on it's input thresholds
[3:06] <wombledom> oh
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[3:12] <wombledom> what do you usually do to get 5v things to work on the pi
[3:13] <wombledom> or do you consider that to be incompatible just to be safe
[3:14] <plugwash> Depends what exactly it is, as a general rule 74LVC logic is good for converting from 5V to 3.3V and 74HCT logic is good for converting from 3.3V to 5V
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[3:15] <plugwash> If it's slow stuff then resistive dividers or the mosfet trick can also work
[3:15] <wombledom> ah ok
[3:15] <wombledom> its only 1mhz
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[3:16] <wombledom> or less lol
[3:16] <plugwash> You can also get dedicated level shifter chips with two supply voltage pins
[3:17] <plugwash> unfortunately a lot of the good stuff only seems to come in surface mount :(
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[3:17] <wombledom> :\
[3:17] <wombledom> not breadboard friendly
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[3:20] <plugwash> Yeah, it seems about the only LVC parts available in a DIL package are the bus driver chips you linked
[3:21] <plugwash> :(
[3:21] <wombledom> hobbyism will wither
[3:21] <wombledom> soon there will be only surface mount
[3:22] <wombledom> radio shack has become a mini best buy lol
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[3:24] * plugwash gets the impression that people have been saying "soon there will only be surface mount" for at least a decade and so-far it hasn't happened
[3:25] <plugwash> I agree with you it's sad that the supply of electronic components on the high street has got worse and worse, on the other hand the internet has made it much easier to order stuff
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[3:30] <plugwash> and has allowed small buisnesses like sparkfun and adafruit and many others that target electronics hobbyists to blossom in a way they would have really struggled to do before the internet
[3:30] <plugwash> Though I guess in the frozen north (your IP geolocates as alaska) you get screwed on postage
[3:31] <DanDare> Still harsh to developers. Not always easy to buy in small quantities also need to order from different places :/
[3:31] <DanDare> then wait, wait , wai (wait a bit more)
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[3:32] <DanDare> But its getting easier to deal with SMD though because is cheaper and more parts sometimes
[3:32] <DanDare> *available parts
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[3:33] <bnmorgan> how do i uninstall some of the stuff that comes on raspbian that i don't need/want
[3:34] <DanDare> bnmorgan, using the window manager ?
[3:34] <plugwash> Here in the UK we have it pretty good, farnell tend to have a pretty good range and deliver pretty quickly
[3:35] <plugwash> (thier standard delivery usually comes in 1-2 nights)
[3:36] <plugwash> but it is a PITA when you realise you've forgotton one little part and you have to order a load of other stuff to meet minimum order sizes :(
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[3:36] <DanDare> Nice. I never tried farnell. In here they have a mix of parts on local warehouse and stuff that must be imported
[3:36] <evil_dan2wik> how do I know if my Pi is stable?
[3:37] <DanDare> farnell is usually expensive, at least it was used to be
[3:37] <evil_dan2wik> will there just be random kernel panics?
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[3:37] <evil_dan2wik> or will it kernel picnic straight away?
[3:37] <plugwash> In the UK farnell ship stuff from both their UK and NL warehouses, amusingly the stuff from their NL warehouse often turns up before the stuff from the UK warehouse
[3:37] <[Saint]> bnmorgan: apt-get
[3:37] <[Saint]> bnmorgan: I don't advise this, though.
[3:38] <[Saint]> Start with a minimal image.
[3:38] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, while testing something like overclock or just the normal thing ?
[3:38] <[Saint]> Don't bother removing from Raspbian.
[3:38] <evil_dan2wik> overclock
[3:38] <plugwash> (the UK warehouse has a nasty habbit of sending small packages first class post too late at night so it takes 2 nights to come)
[3:38] <[Saint]> You'll be there for an eternity.
[3:38] <[Saint]> USe Arch.
[3:38] <[Saint]> Or raspbian-ua-netisnt.
[3:38] <DanDare> plugwash, I see. Even if it takes 2 days, pretty fair
[3:38] <[Saint]> Both of which will provide a crap-free install.
[3:39] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, I read that you can test with something very intensive, like Quake, and see if it crashes or not
[3:39] <evil_dan2wik> quake?
[3:39] <evil_dan2wik> does that run on pi?
[3:39] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, its a gmae
[3:39] <[Saint]> bnmorgan: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[3:39] <evil_dan2wik> I know, but does it run on the Pi?
[3:39] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, yeah, they have ported it to pi
[3:39] <evil_dan2wik> oh ok
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[3:40] <[Saint]> How could you miss that?
[3:40] <[Saint]> That was a requirement of the GPU driver contest.
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[3:40] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, I guess there are also some benchmarks you can use out there
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[3:41] <plugwash> DanDare, in my experiance farnell is about the same price as RS, a little more expensive than CPC, Rapid and mouser, but CPC and rapid don't have anywhere near as comprehensive a range and mouser have a VERY steep small order charge
[3:42] <bnmorgan> is there a way i can view lxde by remote so i don't have to kjeep swapping my kb/mouse
[3:42] * plugwash finds it amusing that mouser once got a package to him in less than 48 hours from the purchase order being sent, even though they are based in texas
[3:43] <[Saint]> Farnell UK got a package to me in 48h
[3:43] <DanDare> bnmorgan, try x11vnc or xtightvncserver. You dont even need to start X in the server using xtightvncserver, it creates a virtual session
[3:43] <[Saint]> which is _very_ surprising. As I'm in NZ.
[3:44] <DanDare> Anything I order will take 1 month at least :/
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[3:44] <[Saint]> ...you live in Antarctica?
[3:44] <DanDare> nah, Brazil...
[3:44] <[Saint]> Ahhhhhhh. I see.
[3:44] <DanDare> hmmm, even worse for that matter perhaps :p
[3:44] <[Saint]> It'll take a month *IFF* no corrupt postal official steals it. ;)
[3:44] <pksato> one month? Is fast.
[3:44] <bnmorgan> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
[3:45] <bnmorgan> right?
[3:45] <DanDare> [Saint], nah, postal do not suffer for that, but excessive bureaucracy
[3:45] <DanDare> plugwash, yeah... not that much... but also a loooooong time :p
[3:46] <DanDare> [Saint], well, right before and right after Christmas.. most like it will take 2 months
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[3:48] <pksato> I waiting more than 3 month to buys from China arrived.
[3:48] <DanDare> bnmorgan, yeah, that works
[3:48] <DanDare> pksato, where are you from?
[3:49] <DanDare> pksato, brazil, right ?
[3:49] <pksato> yes,
[3:49] <DanDare> :(, 3 months, thats not good at all
[3:51] <plugwash> IIRC china post is slow even when it's a first world country on the receiving end
[3:51] <toeshred> are there any game emulators that make use of the pi's gpu?
[3:51] <toeshred> like how omxplayer does
[3:52] <evil_dan2wik> toeshred, code one?
[3:52] <toeshred> evil_dan2wik: I don't see how that is relevant to my question.
[3:52] <toeshred> i was asking if there are any.
[3:52] <toeshred> not if someone else can make one for me.
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[3:52] <DanDare> plugwash, yeah... but also each country has its own procedures and issues, adding it to the time
[3:53] <bnmorgan> woohoo thank you DanDare
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[3:53] <plugwash> DanDare, right, i'd think something like china to brazil is about worst case, slow sending country AND slow receiving country
[3:53] <DanDare> toeshred, mame4all makes use of the GPU
[3:53] <pksato> China to Brazil take one week. Brazil customs are slow and overload.
[3:53] <DanDare> plugwash, yeah
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[3:55] <DanDare> pksato, maybe a carrier import will be fast... but usable just for bigger quantities I suppose
[3:56] <DanDare> like using DHL or stuff like this
[3:56] <pksato> DanDare: taxes are very high.
[3:56] <DanDare> true
[3:56] <evil_dan2wik> something that takes about 30 seconds on my computer takes around 30 minutes on the Pi
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[3:57] <toeshred> DanDare: cool thank you.
[3:57] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, well... you can talk on IRC in both and it will take the same amount :p
[3:57] <abnormal> well if you don't like the pi, send it to me..
[3:57] <evil_dan2wik> DanDare, but that isn't a minecraft server.
[3:58] <DanDare> :)
[3:58] <evil_dan2wik> once the server starts, it runs fine but it takes 30 minutes to start
[3:58] <DanDare> wow
[3:58] <DanDare> it works at least
[3:58] <evil_dan2wik> it is modded
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[4:18] <bnmorgan> ok. i'm on with vnc, and it's logged in as root.
[4:18] <bnmorgan> i need to be logged in as pi
[4:18] <bnmorgan> how do i change?
[4:19] <DanDare> bnmorgan, you need to start the 'vncserver -geometry.. etc etc' as the pi user
[4:19] <bnmorgan> ah. o
[4:19] <bnmorgan> ...hrm
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[4:21] * [Saint] hopes that one of the following is true:
[4:21] <[Saint]> A - this doesn't touch the internet with a public address
[4:21] <bnmorgan> i did the script option on the page
[4:22] <bnmorgan> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
[4:22] <[Saint]> B - the default password was changed
[4:22] <bnmorgan> just change user to pi instead of root
[4:22] <bnmorgan> ?
[4:22] <[Saint]> It scares the bejesus out of me when I see default user credentials.
[4:22] <bnmorgan> i mean, the run at boot script option
[4:22] <[Saint]> When your username and password is a known commodity, you /really/ don't want it public facing. ;)
[4:23] <bnmorgan> def pw has been changed.
[4:23] <[Saint]> Huzzah. :)
[4:23] <bnmorgan> once setup is finished though, this thing will likely never see the net again.
[4:23] <bnmorgan> it's going in the car.
[4:24] <bnmorgan> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server#Run_at_boot
[4:24] <bnmorgan> that's where i am right now
[4:24] <bnmorgan> change user=root to user=pi?
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[4:26] <bnmorgan> trying not to get it any more broke than i have to
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[4:28] <bnmorgan> all the pyobd stuff is installed under pi and the vnc is under root
[4:30] <bnmorgan> guess i'll try it and find out
[4:30] <bnmorgan> maybe i won't let the magic smoke out.
[4:32] <bnmorgan> that weren't it
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[4:34] <[Saint]> Jeeeebus, I dislike asshats that have no idea about licensing _so_ much.
[4:34] <[Saint]> "Nah, I took that binary down...I don't care if it was licensed GPL, you can't have the sources"
[4:35] <[Saint]> #rage increases
[4:35] <skyroveRR> Which options do I need at a minimum inside the cmdline.txt in order to boot from a USB disk? I'm trying to boot slackware 14.0 located inside the SD card and here are my options: kbd=us dwc_otg.lmp_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/sda1 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait rootdelay=15 ro ; I'm trying to boot up without any kind of display and over SSH.
[4:35] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], sue them
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[4:38] <bnmorgan> [Saint] any suggestions on above problem
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[4:39] <[Saint]> root just needs to point to the new root path.
[4:39] <[Saint]> rootfstype doesn't need to change, unless you change the rootfs filesystem type.
[4:39] <skyroveRR> My root path is sda1.
[4:39] <evil_dan2wik> yes, and is the FS type ext4?
[4:39] <skyroveRR> Since I'm booting from a USB disk.
[4:39] <skyroveRR> Yes.
[4:40] <evil_dan2wik> do you have any other USB disks plugged in?
[4:40] <skyroveRR> Nope.
[4:40] <evil_dan2wik> do you have a screen connected?
[4:40] <skyroveRR> Nope.\
[4:40] <evil_dan2wik> Is it possible to connect one?
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[4:44] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, you sure it is sda1?
[4:44] <evil_dan2wik> but, this is my cmdline.txt
[4:44] <evil_dan2wik> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/sda2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[4:45] <[Saint]> did you perhaps just dd the image zip to the USB disk?
[4:45] <[Saint]> That would explain that.
[4:45] <[Saint]> If not, you've got _some_ other partition on your USB disk.
[4:46] <evil_dan2wik> I ended up using dd to put the whole raspbian image onto my USB disk which includes the fat32 partition at the start.
[4:46] <[Saint]> right.
[4:46] <evil_dan2wik> which is why I use sda2
[4:46] <[Saint]> if skyroveRR did the same thing, then yes, he'll be in the same position.
[4:47] <evil_dan2wik> My Pi currently has a 128MB card in it with a 16GB usb
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[4:47] <[Saint]> yay?
[4:48] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[4:48] <evil_dan2wik> no point in using a huge SD card
[4:49] <skyroveRR> ...
[4:49] <skyroveRR> sda2 is swap for me.
[4:49] <skyroveRR> sda1 is the actual root.
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[4:50] <[Saint]> A swap partition on a flash based device...interesting.
[4:50] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, it would help lots if you had either a screen connected or a serial adapter on the GPIO
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[4:50] <skyroveRR> I don't have them...
[4:50] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[4:51] <evil_dan2wik> I don't know of any other way to get the dmesg out
[4:51] <skyroveRR> Do I need the "text" word in the cmdline.txt?
[4:51] <[Saint]> If this is raspbian, raspbian uses dphys-swapfile by default anyway and the swap partition is irrelevant.
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[4:59] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, do you know if it is booting at all?
[5:01] <NedScott> I'm a little surprised that there doesn't seem to be much activity in using the Pi's ability to hardware encode video
[5:01] <NedScott> I've read about a couple of closed-source attempts, but I don't even know if those are real
[5:02] <evil_dan2wik> stupid people and their closed sourcedness
[5:03] <skyroveRR> evil_dan2wik: all I get is a brief green ACT light that lasts for < 2 seconds and a power light that always stays on.
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[5:10] * plugwash is not convinced how useful the Pi's hardware video encoding would be outside of working with the Pi camera
[5:10] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, sounds like the SD card is booting
[5:10] <evil_dan2wik> but not the rest of it
[5:10] <plugwash> I guess you could maybe use it for mpeg2 to h264 conversion or somesuch but i'm not convinced it would be worth it
[5:10] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, this is why you need a screen or serial adapter
[5:11] <plugwash> hardware video encoders tend to be optimised for speed over quality :/
[5:13] <evil_dan2wik> plugwash, depends on speed
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[5:17] <[Saint]> How the...
[5:17] * [Saint] gets to clearing old forgotten source repositories
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[5:18] <[Saint]> 700GB of AOSP/AOSPA/CM/Omni/PAC sources.
[5:18] <[Saint]> Seven _hundred_ gigabytes.
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[5:19] <[Saint]> Oh. Hmmm. My mistake. Its closer to 200GB of cources.
[5:19] <[Saint]> The other 500GB is enormous ccache instances and build output files.
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[5:20] <NedScott> plugwash: a $35 hardware encoder at any reasonable quality would give me boners
[5:21] <NedScott> just transcoding a personal collection of videos for playback over the internet, to a cell phone, for example, would be awesome
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[5:21] <NedScott> granted it's not that hard to do this with other hardware, but the idea of doing it with a Pi is just fantastic in my mind
[5:21] <NedScott> especially since the Pi can easily run a DVB USB tuner and the like
[5:27] <toresbe> a current PC will be able to do a fairly decent job of that
[5:27] <NedScott> of course
[5:27] <toresbe> To get good hardware H.264 etc you really need crazy ASICs.
[5:27] <NedScott> but not many x86 devices can run off of a battery and only cost about $35
[5:28] <NedScott> In theory a ton of cheap Android hardware should be able to do the same thing, but I'm not sure how accessible hardware encoding is on Android.
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[5:29] <toresbe> It's a tradeoff between computational complexity, bitrate and image quality.
[5:30] <NedScott> well, so far there's no tradeoff because no one outside of the camera module seems to be doing anything with it
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[6:20] <evil_dan2wik> how do I tell what is happening to the FTB server?
[6:20] <evil_dan2wik> There is no error in the console, it just restarts
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[6:25] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[6:25] <Sonny_Jim> something wrong with http://repository.wolfram.com ?
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[6:26] <Sonny_Jim> So how do I change the mirror it uses?
[6:28] <Sonny_Jim> (hint: It's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> Sonny_Jim, delete the wolfram one.
[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> I did.
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[6:41] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah figured it out
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[6:41] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure why I have that in there, my guess it was something to do with opencv
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[6:56] <Sonny_Jim> Oh poo
[6:56] <Sonny_Jim> The project I am working on requires the use of pyglet, which doesn't work on the Pi
[6:56] <Sonny_Jim> pyglet.gl.glx_info.GLXInfoException: pyglet requires an X server with GLX
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[7:27] <Sonny_Jim> Is VirtualBox still a thing or are there better alternatives now?
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[7:35] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: virtualbox is definitely still a thing
[7:36] <[Saint]> I'm led to believe LXC is the hip thing now though
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[7:36] <[Saint]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXC
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[7:37] <Sonny_Jim> ta
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[7:42] <Sonny_Jim> Ooh that's pretty swish
[7:42] <Sonny_Jim> My guess is that LXC is supposed to take out a lot of the overhead in running multiple VMs on the same box
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[7:58] <evil_dan2wik> the serial console for the Pi is all garbled, how do I reset it?
[7:58] <evil_dan2wik> ▒L▒g▒n ▒▒m▒d ▒▒
[7:59] <Sonny_Jim> reset?
[7:59] <evil_dan2wik> Yes, Reset.
[7:59] <evil_dan2wik> The Pi was already running but I needed to connect to the serial port on the GPIO
[7:59] <Sonny_Jim> have you tried typing in "reset"
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[8:00] <evil_dan2wik> Sonny_Jim, asks for a password now.
[8:00] <evil_dan2wik> I am at the serial login prompt btw.
[8:01] <Sonny_Jim> Err
[8:01] <Sonny_Jim> You realise it's just the same as if you used a keyboard + monitor?
[8:02] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[8:02] <Sonny_Jim> ie, you've probably logged in as a user called 'reset'
[8:02] <evil_dan2wik> except I don't have a keyboard + monitor
[8:02] <Sonny_Jim> hence why its asking for a password
[8:02] <evil_dan2wik> and I don't have a network connection to ssh using
[8:02] <evil_dan2wik> and I need to reset the serial connection so it stops being garbled
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[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> Are you 100% sure your serial settings are correct?
[8:03] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> which settings are you using in your terminal program?
[8:03] <evil_dan2wik> COM44, baud: 115200
[8:03] <evil_dan2wik> using putty
[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> And the rest of the settings?
[8:03] <Sonny_Jim> parity etc
[8:03] <evil_dan2wik> that is all that is listed.
[8:04] <Sonny_Jim> Use a decent terminal emulator
[8:04] <evil_dan2wik> It has worked before
[8:04] <Sonny_Jim> teraterm is much nicer
[8:04] <Sonny_Jim> Anyway
[8:04] <evil_dan2wik> but only when the Pi was connected to the serial monitor when turned on
[8:04] <Sonny_Jim> iirc it should be 115200,8,n,1
[8:05] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection#Console_serial_parameters
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[8:05] <evil_dan2wik> Sonny_Jim, this has worked before when the Pi was connected to the console during startup
[8:05] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, do you know why though?
[8:06] <evil_dan2wik> but it rarely works when I plug it in after starting
[8:06] <evil_dan2wik> It must have some sort of sync byte?
[8:06] <Sonny_Jim> Because during boot the Pi pushes kernel messages out the GPIO to help with debugging
[8:06] <evil_dan2wik> yes, I know
[8:06] <Sonny_Jim> This is different to the login prompt
[8:06] <evil_dan2wik> oh, it must have reset just then.
[8:06] <Sonny_Jim> two separate processes
[8:06] <evil_dan2wik> it refreshed the screen
[8:07] <evil_dan2wik> I can log in now.
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[8:08] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, thanks for the help
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[8:11] <Sonny_Jim> No problem
[8:11] <evil_dan2wik> what?
[8:11] <Sonny_Jim> :-p
[8:11] <evil_dan2wik> yeah, it is working now, thanks
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[8:11] <Sonny_Jim> When someone tries to help you, it's traditional to thank them for helping, even if they didn't help very much
[8:11] <evil_dan2wik> I was still seeing if it was working because it was so slow.
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[8:15] <evil_dan2wik> with /etc/rc.local, the things executed in that, are they run as root?
[8:17] <Sonny_Jim> You probably want to turn off kernel debugging through GPIO in /boot/cmdline.txt
[8:17] <evil_dan2wik> why?
[8:17] <evil_dan2wik> I only use this if the network is down.
[8:18] <evil_dan2wik> which is very rarely, like now.
[8:18] <Sonny_Jim> Well, depends on what you are using the serial port for
[8:18] <evil_dan2wik> just communicating with my lapto
[8:18] <evil_dan2wik> p
[8:18] <Sonny_Jim> for example, I had some custom hardware hooked up to the GPIO pins on the Pi which was getting *really* confused by the kernel boot messages
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[8:19] <evil_dan2wik> yeah well, I am a human who doesn't get confused by that and actually finds it comforting to know that my system is starting correctly.
[8:19] <Sonny_Jim> Like I said, depends on what you are using it for
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[8:25] <neutrino> does the ssh daemon switch off if no clients are connected after a while ?
[8:26] <evil_dan2wik> neutrino, no.
[8:26] <evil_dan2wik> That would be silly.
[8:27] <neutrino> well silly things are indeed happening with my pi
[8:28] <skyroveRR> evil_dan2wik: ok, finally got a serial connection.
[8:28] <skyroveRR> But a lot of it is garbage, and the output scrolls very fast :(
[8:28] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, push enter.
[8:29] <skyroveRR> Nothing happens..
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[8:29] <skyroveRR> It's stuck at "Uncompressing linux.... d"
[8:29] <gordonDrogon> check baud rate of connecting terminal? it's 115200 by default.
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[8:30] <skyroveRR> CTRL-A Z for help |115200 8N1 | NOR | Minicom 2.6 | VT102 | Offlin
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> I'd re-image the SD card at this point...
[8:30] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, does it work otherwise?
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> sounds like some corruption in the kernel image.
[8:31] <skyroveRR> evil_dan2wik: no, hence the... serial connection.
[8:31] <skyroveRR> Wanna know what's going wrong.
[8:31] <evil_dan2wik> if it isn't getting past that, then the image on the card is corrupt
[8:32] <evil_dan2wik> Probably a file in the fat32 partition.
[8:32] <skyroveRR> Can't I somehow scroll up minicom?
[8:32] <skyroveRR> I get lots of output from the kernel buffer before it vanishes.
[8:32] <gordonDrogon> if it stops at the uncompressing bit, then the kernel hasn't started at that poiunt
[8:32] <gordonDrogon> you're seeing bootloader messages.
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> the uncompressing bit is a sort of pre-loader for the kernel itself.
[8:33] <evil_dan2wik> I thought that bootloader doesn't output messages, only the kernel
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> I think there is a line or 2 before the kernel proper, but I've never had a serial port on the Pi.
[8:34] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[8:34] <evil_dan2wik> and then kernel
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> ah, you get messages?
[8:34] <evil_dan2wik> yeah
[8:34] <evil_dan2wik> oh crap, raining on my Pi through the window.
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> but that's the last line?
[8:35] <skyroveRR> Uncompressing Linux... À 0pcpC 0.000000 Li¨¨¸300&BrB0d ̠"`10;170H
[8:35] <skyroveRR> r000000A'!A FAr[10;138H0Àˀd`2@ "` r@r 11;170H
[8:35] <evil_dan2wik> uh yeah
[8:35] <evil_dan2wik> that isn't normal
[8:35] <evil_dan2wik> the next line should be [ 0.000000] Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x0
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> ok at that point 2 things: 1. the SD card image is corrupt - either a bad SD card or the file itself has somehoe had garbage in it, or 2. the baud rate has been changed in /boot/cmdline.txt
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> either way you need the SD card in another PC to re-image or check.
[8:36] <clever> i think 2 is much more likely
[8:36] <skyroveRR> The SD card looks ok to me.
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[8:36] <gordonDrogon> can you ping/ssh into the Pi?
[8:36] <skyroveRR> I mean the files on it.
[8:36] <skyroveRR> No, the network never comes up.
[8:36] <neutrino> the baud rate is fine ... what are the odds that a "uncompressing linux " turns up on a different baud rate !
[8:36] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, remove and copy all the files from the fat32 partition of the card?
[8:37] <evil_dan2wik> neutrino, I can test that now if you want.
[8:37] <clever> neutrino: i think start.elf controls the baud rate of that first message
[8:37] <neutrino> sure !
[8:37] <clever> then linux takes over, and obeys cmdline.txt
[8:37] <neutrino> ah .. i see ..
[8:37] <neutrino> yup then .. as gordonDrogon pointed out
[8:37] <Sonny_Jim> It's should be the same
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[8:37] <Sonny_Jim> ie 115200,8,n,1
[8:37] <skyroveRR> evil_dan2wik: uh... let me explain the partitions... mmc block 1 is the boot image, but I have the entire rootfs on sda1, my USB HD. I checked the fstab file after mounting my USB HD separately, and it looked ok.
[8:38] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, yeah so?
[8:38] <Sonny_Jim> Did you update /boot/cmdline.txt to tell it where the new root is?
[8:38] <gordonDrogon> if you have a running Pi, then : strings -a /boot/kernel.img | less will show you them.
[8:38] <skyroveRR> Sonny_Jim: obviosuly.
[8:38] <skyroveRR> * obviously.
[8:38] <evil_dan2wik> The Pi boots the kernel before it looks for the root partition
[8:39] <Sonny_Jim> Well, not obvious really. But you've got to work through these things, haven't you?
[8:39] <gordonDrogon> there is basically a little 'shim' program that's at the start of the kernel image that does the uncompressing, then it kicks off the kernel proper.
[8:39] <skyroveRR> gordonDrogon: err... I'll need to mount my SD card separately, one moment.
[8:39] <nashi> I wonder what the max reasonable bandwidth is on the b+ for the whole gpio pin setup, if someone were to design, say, a sata2 or gigabit to pi gpio fullset adapter
[8:40] <nashi> anyone got any ballpark guestimates?
[8:40] <clever> nashi: i think i was able to get 20mhz bit-banging a square wave on a single pin
[8:40] <neutrino> nashi: they can swithc at 40 MHZ
[8:40] <neutrino> thats the maximum
[8:40] <neutrino> that anyone has ever got
[8:40] <clever> neutrino: and if you can get all 32 bits of a single port, you could move 32bits at 20 or 40mhz, depending on if i'm remembering right or neutrino is right
[8:41] <nashi> but then the cpu overhead.... trying to do that to all of them for a parallel bus for max bandwidth
[8:41] <nashi> and then the timing..... and translation loads on the cpu
[8:41] <clever> nashi: i also noticed, if you bit-bang the gpio like that, the cpu will basicaly stall
[8:41] <evil_dan2wik> neutrino, the uncompressing kernel bit is 115200, then the kernel uses the set baud rate
[8:41] <neutrino> nashi: http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
[8:41] <nashi> ty neutrino
[8:41] <clever> so if the cpu is running at 700mhz, but your banging out 40mhz of data, the cpu will effectively be running at 40mhz
[8:41] <skyroveRR> gordonDrogon: ha! Ran the strings command how do I paste the output?
[8:42] <clever> the other 630mhz of cpu power is going to waste and cant be used at all
[8:42] <clever> 660*
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> skyroveRR, it's just for your own personal use - no need to paste it - I'm sure the firstpage is the same for everyone.
[8:42] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, how did you run that?
[8:42] <skyroveRR> gordonDrogon: the same way gordonDrogon told me to.
[8:42] <skyroveRR> * evil_dan2wik .
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> you need a running Pi - actually, any running Linux - it's the same for most of them I think.
[8:43] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[8:43] <clever> nashi: your biggest problem will be jitter, tons and tons of jitter
[8:43] <gordonDrogon> almost - I just looked on my desktop - the messags are there, but slightly different.
[8:43] <evil_dan2wik> The Pi takes 20 seconds to boot with baud rate set to 9600 vs the 6 seconds it takes with 115200
[8:43] <skyroveRR> gordonDrogon: what am I looking for exactly?
[8:44] <clever> so you cant send data out on a regular rate at any decent speeds
[8:44] <neutrino> clever: its 20 MHz .. i was wrong
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> skyroveRR, nothing - I just posted that as a bit of interst to show that the UNcompressing bit is part of the kernel image.
[8:44] <clever> neutrino: the link gordonDrogon gave goes up to 22mhz
[8:44] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, have you tried copying the fat32 partition again?
[8:44] <skyroveRR> Ok then, now what?
[8:44] <evil_dan2wik> just copy the files
[8:44] <skyroveRR> No.
[8:44] <nashi> clever, yeah..... so its basically useless to even think of trying, since usb2 can easily get up to 40MB/s reliably, in general
[8:44] <gordonDrogon> skyroveRR, really - at this point, I'd reimage the SD card.
[8:44] <Sonny_Jim> clever: ooh I found out all about that jitter, and when I did my own tests those results from that webpage could best be described as 'optimistic' to say the least
[8:45] <neutrino> clever: yes 22 MHZ
[8:45] <clever> nashi: 32 bits at 22mhz could get you 640mbit/sec
[8:45] <skyroveRR> Ok, reflashed.
[8:45] <skyroveRR> One sec.
[8:45] <nashi> but without a cpu at all to do things with while its doing that.
[8:45] <nashi> more or less
[8:45] <clever> nashi: but that would leave no cpu cycles free to do anything else, and you also need a dedicated clock pin to deal with jitter, which will halve your data rate
[8:46] <nashi> yah
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> that GPIO benchmarking web page is somewhat old now, however the results won't change much,
[8:46] <clever> my rough math says that writing to the gpio port will basicaly consume 35 clock cycles
[8:46] <clever> and if you push it right to 20mhz, that will be 100% cpu usage
[8:46] <clever> no mater how much you overclock the core
[8:46] <clever> you would have to overclock the broadcom version of the FSB, where the gpio lives
[8:46] <nashi> Im just really really leaning toward the minnowboard max now.
[8:47] <skyroveRR> Umm.. I only flashed the miniroot, should it be ok?
[8:47] <skyroveRR> Just for testing purposes....
[8:47] <evil_dan2wik> miniroot?
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> I've been told both yes and no to my questions of gpio speed being locked to a particulat clock speed - the 19.2 Mhz clock.
[8:47] <skyroveRR> Yeah, slackware miniroot.
[8:47] <evil_dan2wik> you don't even need the miniroot
[8:47] <skyroveRR> Why?
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> so evnen running tight loop in assember, 19.2M pokes/sec to the gpio is the limit.
[8:47] <evil_dan2wik> the kernel will boot even if there is no root present
[8:48] <evil_dan2wik> it just won't do anything useful
[8:48] <clever> gordonDrogon: my theory says that the gpio lives on a slower bus, along side the ram and other modules, and accessing it is basicaly the same as a cache miss
[8:48] <skyroveRR> Then I flash the entire distro??
[8:48] <neutrino> clever: not sure how the gpio is implemented on the
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> clever, that makes sense and will limit the max. speed.
[8:48] <neutrino> Pi
[8:49] <neutrino> are all the pins controlled using the same register ?
[8:49] <clever> what i havent tested fully, is when and where the 35 clock cycle stalls are, when you bit-bang a 20mhz square wave
[8:49] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, with serial connected, the kernel will output useful data even without a root partition
[8:49] <clever> does it stall on every write, or only the 2nd write when the buffer clogs up?
[8:49] <clever> could you write to gpio, then sneak in 34 cycles of computing, and then send another right at exactly the right time?
[8:49] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, if it gets past the de-compression and then doesn't have a heart attack, then you can assume that it is booting properly.
[8:51] <clever> gordonDrogon: what cant be seen in the scope traces on that site, every now and then, it will just freeze in a state for several ms
[8:51] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, I think that even the hdmi display is initialised by the time the root partition is being loaded.
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> clever, that's the video and main memroy refresh cycles.
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> (AIUI)
[8:52] <clever> and kernel scheduling
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> bit of that too.
[8:52] <clever> when i was testing things out, i used kernel mode, and i forced it to schedule between every bit flip
[8:52] <clever> it dropped into the khz range
[8:52] <clever> i was forcing it to do that long hang between every bit, rather then at random times
[8:52] <clever> i also had the option of turning irq and scheduling off, so linux cant interupt things
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[8:53] <clever> but youll still have the video and mem refresh to deal with
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> you'd still see the gaps.
[8:53] <clever> and the linux os becomes un-usable while sending data
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> I think the pianalyser folks ran into that
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[8:53] <evil_dan2wik> skyroveRR, is it booting?
[8:54] <clever> about the only sane route i can sudjest, is to get an ethernet module on something proper, like an ardruino ethernet shield
[8:54] <clever> use the AVR real-time os for the timing sensitive stuff
[8:54] <skyroveRR> evil_dan2wik: the serial connection stopped working.. IDK why.
[8:54] <clever> then ship the data out over ethernet, and into the pi
[8:54] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[8:54] <evil_dan2wik> What is the baud rate defined in the cmdline.txt
[8:54] <clever> that will get you up to the max speed of the pi's USB port, with simple interfacing
[8:55] <skyroveRR> Err... oops. the baud rate is gone. I forgot... I reflashed the miniroot on the card and didn't enter the commands inside cmdline.txt
[8:55] <skyroveRR> Anyways, I'll play with it later on, I'm too tired now.
[8:56] <skyroveRR> Thanks for all the help, guys.
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[8:56] <neutrino> clever: however the GPIO is better than USB for low latency
[8:56] <evil_dan2wik> ok, good night
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[8:56] <clever> neutrino: but more exensive to get high bandwidth
[8:56] <clever> neutrino: so you have to pick between latency and bandwidth
[8:56] <clever> or program the avr chip to do the latency sensitive stuff on its own
[8:57] <clever> and ship the bulk processing over ethernet to the pi where latency isnt as important
[8:57] <neutrino> hmm
[8:57] <clever> that also makes development much simpler
[8:58] <clever> you can replace the pi with a regular desktop running normal linux for development
[8:58] <neutrino> what about DMA ?
[8:58] <clever> once its confirmed working, compile the same code on a pi, and move the ethernet cable
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[8:58] <clever> dont know much about the pi's DMA engine
[8:58] <neutrino> cpu overhead can be reduced by DMA .
[8:59] <clever> but only if you can teach the DMA engine how to bit-bang things to an avr
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[8:59] <clever> and can you get all 32 bits of a single gpio port on the gpio header??
[8:59] <clever> or even a 16 block?
[9:00] <neutrino> no idea .. are they all the same port ?
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> clever, you can on the compute module
[9:00] <neutrino> gordonDrogon: are they the same gpio port on the header ?
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> the Pi has 2 banks of gpio's. one has 32 bits the other 28.
[9:01] <clever> neutrino: due to routing issues on the pcb, the header is a jumble of gpio pins, mostly out of order and scrambled up
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> some ofthem are used on the B & B+ for internal stuff.
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[9:01] <clever> for a performance hit, you can correct that in software
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> I did imprement an 8-bit write in wiringPi, but it has to do some bit-twiddling to work.
[9:02] <clever> but then you cant just bang a 32bit word out the entire port in one instruction
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> well - you need 2 instructions, one to set the 0 bits and one to set the 1 bits.
[9:02] <clever> i think the compute module also has the gpio pins scrambled and out of order, but they are all available
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> clever, they're all in-order.
[9:03] <clever> and you can just make the host board bigger to handle that and re-align them
[9:03] <clever> ah
[9:03] <clever> wasnt sure how much of a routing issue that would have been
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> hm. hang on - the CMIO board has them in-order, so I imagine it's not hard to get them from the CM to the CMIO board in-order.
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[9:04] <clever> its just a matter of having enough vias on the host board, to un-scramble it
[9:04] <clever> something the b+ cant do with its tiny form factor
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> you can always check the schmatic..
[9:04] <neutrino> how many gpio's does the pi have ?
[9:04] <clever> yeah
[9:04] <clever> i think gordonDrogon said 32 + 28
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> the a/b has 17 avalable. the B+ has 26.
[9:05] <neutrino> compute
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> the rev 2 B has 21.
[9:05] <neutrino> compute module
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> you can use all 54 gpios on the CM.
[9:06] <clever> 32+28 is 60, strange
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[9:06] <clever> emmc is eating a couple?
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> ah, 46 GPIOs.
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> sorry - monday mornin. 48 GPIOs: http://wiringpi.com/wiringpi-and-the-raspberry-pi-compute-board/
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[9:07] <gordonDrogon> picture at bottom of that page.
[9:07] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/RPI-CM-V1_1-SCHEMATIC.pdf
[9:07] <clever> this pdf says 46
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[9:07] <evil_dan2wik> how fast is the SPI on the PI?
[9:07] <clever> oh wait, 46 vref, 48 gpio, strange
[9:07] <clever> ahhh, the 2 banks each have their own vref!!
[9:07] <clever> and then 48 gpio
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> 1.8 or 3.3v.
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[9:08] <clever> but the 2nd vref is for gpio 28 thru 45
[9:08] <clever> so what vref does 46 and 47 have?
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[9:08] <gordonDrogon> the CMIO board only brings out 46 pins, the CMIO board uses one for the ACT LED and one just isn't wired up.
[9:08] <clever> typo?
[9:09] <clever> ah
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> they're in 2 banks - the first 32 pins and the rest - the banks have separate vref inputs.
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[9:09] <evil_dan2wik> the others run on magic
[9:09] <clever> but the 2nd vref isnt labled to cover the entire 2nd bank
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> the CM brings out all the pins.
[9:09] <clever> 2 of the 2 bank pins are left out
[9:10] <evil_dan2wik> clever, time to de-solder the board to fine out
[9:10] <neutrino> we should call them balls now :P
[9:10] <clever> looks like a simple typo
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[9:10] <neutrino> "pins" are vestigial of DIP processor days
[9:11] <clever> page 4 of the pdf i linked has the so-dimm pinout
[9:11] <evil_dan2wik> neutrino, pads technically
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[9:11] <clever> yep, all the gpio are in order, in 2 small banks
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[9:13] <neutrino> if they were a little fragile you would here people say .. oops my IC's balls fell off
[9:13] <clever> i should be getting to bed, its 4am now
[9:13] <clever> lol
[9:15] <evil_dan2wik> neutrino, It dropped it's balls
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[9:16] <clever> i have a fat ps3 that could be fixed with some reballing
[9:16] <clever> but that aint cheap, so i'm probly just going to hit it with a paint stripper
[9:17] <evil_dan2wik> what is a good speed for ram vs CPU?
[9:17] <evil_dan2wik> highest speed I can get or is there a ratio?
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[9:18] <clever> evil_dan2wik: the best answer you can get, is to profile your workload, and measure how much cache missing is going on
[9:18] <clever> and see if you actualy need to raise one of the clocks
[9:18] <evil_dan2wik> I have no idea what that is.
[9:18] <clever> but i dont think the arm profiling counters are working yet
[9:18] <clever> somebody needs to get arround to getting full oprofile support
[9:19] <clever> within the arm, there are over a dozen profiling counters
[9:19] <evil_dan2wik> cache missing?
[9:19] <clever> which can count events like clock cycles, branches, cache missing
[9:19] <evil_dan2wik> what happens if I just get ram to as fast as I can?
[9:20] <evil_dan2wik> will ram being too fast impact performance too?
[9:20] <clever> the same thing that happens when you crank the oven up to max to cook your cake faster :P
[9:20] <clever> there is a point where it will begin to malfunction, so youll want to find that and set it below that
[9:21] <clever> but without profiling, you wont know if its even worth the risk of bordering on malfunctioning
[9:22] <evil_dan2wik> so, too fast and it starts to affect the ram or the broadcom chip?
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[9:22] <clever> if it goes too fast, it will have a high chance of returning bad data
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[9:22] <clever> and then your programs will crash in weird ways
[9:23] <evil_dan2wik> so, what if ram speed is 400MHz and CPU frequency is 400MHz?
[9:23] <evil_dan2wik> will it cause errors then?
[9:23] <clever> depends on if the ram can run at 400mhz
[9:23] <clever> but then your defeating the entire purpose of the L1/L2 cache
[9:25] <evil_dan2wik> my ram is currently running at 427MHz because it was stable at 430MHz, but not 435MHz
[9:25] <clever> basicaly, if you run the ram at 400mhz, and the cpu core at 800mhz
[9:25] <evil_dan2wik> but, I am wondering if there would be any performance increase if I changed it to something divisible by the clock frequency.
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[9:25] <clever> then the cpu would want data twice as fast as the ram can serve it
[9:26] <clever> the solution to that problem, is the L1 cache, a small chunk of ram that can run at 800mhz
[9:26] <evil_dan2wik> CPU core it currently running at 1073MHz
[9:26] <clever> so when your dealing with data that fits in the L1 cache, it all runs at 800mhz
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[9:26] <clever> or 1073mhz
[9:26] <clever> but as soon as you try to access data not in the L1 cache
[9:26] <clever> it has to wait for the 427mhz memory bus to reply
[9:26] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[9:27] <evil_dan2wik> Also, is there any performance decrease if I set the GPU core speed to 10MHz?
[9:27] <clever> so basicaly, if you try to access anythng in the L1 cache, it will run in 1 clock cycle
[9:27] <clever> but if you try to access something outside the cache, it will take ~3 clock cycles
[9:28] <clever> increasing the ram clock will reduce that 3 clock cycle time, but profiling tells you how much it actualy happens
[9:28] <clever> dont know what the gpu core would effect
[9:28] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[9:28] <evil_dan2wik> Well, I don't use the HDMI
[9:28] <clever> crank it down and see what happens
[9:29] <clever> i have ran the main core at under 100mhz before, just to see what happens
[9:29] <clever> the SD card times out a bunch, and it locks the FS to read-only mode, lol
[9:29] <evil_dan2wik> If the cpu speed is evenly divisible by the ram speed, will it perform better or worse than something ~20 MHz higher/lower?
[9:30] <evil_dan2wik> clever, there is a emmc clock speed setting to fix that.
[9:30] <clever> i think it would divide and round up
[9:30] <clever> so in your previous example of 1073mhz and 427mhz, it comes out to 2.51
[9:30] <clever> but the cpu cant stall for 2.5 clocks, so it would stall for atleast 3 clocks
[9:31] <clever> plus more, since it has to fill an entire cache line (that improves performance)
[9:31] <clever> but i dont know the size of the cache line
[9:31] <clever> or the other finer details
[9:31] * clever pokes gordonDrogon
[9:32] <clever> and then you have to keep in mind, is it a 8bit, 16bit, or 32bit DATA bus between ram controller and L1 cache?
[9:32] <clever> how does the L2 cache come into play?
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[9:34] <clever> evil_dan2wik: x86 systems also have hyperthreading, from what ive seen, it cheats when stalling
[9:34] <clever> each core, is basicaly trying to run 2 jobs on the same core
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[9:34] <clever> and when one job stalls due to a cache miss, the other job sneaks in and borrows the core
[9:34] <evil_dan2wik> brb
[9:35] <clever> so you can get more use out of the core
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[9:35] <clever> thats how i think it works
[9:35] <clever> but i dont think the ARM in the pi has any of that
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[9:37] <clever> brb
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[10:43] <gordonDrogon> clever, hi? I've been away for breakfast..
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[11:05] <evil_dan2wik> back
[11:05] <evil_dan2wik> Internet outage lasted longer than I planned.
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[12:19] <zero_coder> made my rpi to take it's own selfies and directly upload to fb
[12:19] <zero_coder> rpi-AI :D
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[12:39] <justaguy> so my genius rick rollling wifi hotspot works perfectly :D
[12:39] <justaguy> so now i already got 2 tourist who's phone was doing rickroll
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[12:40] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[12:40] <Sonny_Jim> is that kind of like upside down ternet?
[12:40] <Helldesk> *its
[12:40] <Helldesk> *whose
[12:40] <Sonny_Jim> http://ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[12:41] <justaguy> Sonny_Jim: no
[12:42] <Sonny_Jim> Oh
[12:42] <justaguy> it just instantly sends the user to a web server on the pi
[12:42] <justaguy> where rickroll is ♥
[12:42] <Sonny_Jim> Cool
[12:43] <Sonny_Jim> So whatever address they enter it just shows them a rickroll page?
[12:43] <justaguy> (a 15000 mAh battery ack is nice)
[12:44] <justaguy> Sonny_Jim: yes, because the wifi network they connect too has it own dns server, that resolves to the pi
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[12:44] <Sonny_Jim> Bit easy to bypass really
[12:45] <justaguy> yes, but worhtless as the pi isnt connected to internet
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[12:45] <justaguy> also it reroutes all packets TO the local ip :-)
[12:45] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[12:45] <Sonny_Jim> That's better
[12:46] <justaguy> somehow this triggers androids "log in on this wifinetwork" warning
[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> Surely you just need the redirect?
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[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> as in no point messing around with DNS, just use iptables
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[12:48] <justaguy> so then users click on it and BAMN they get rickrolled :D
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[12:50] <SpeedEvil> justaguy: because all packets redirecting towards onw iP is what 'all' wifi login screens do
[12:51] <justaguy> well, current setup works, iptables and dns resolve to pi
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[12:51] <RahulAN> Hii all
[12:51] <justaguy> well, current setup works or android phones
[12:51] <RahulAN> i have problem with my screen resolution it is n't changing
[12:51] <RahulAN> any way to do this?
[12:51] <justaguy> also it triggers the "log on to this wifi network" warning
[12:52] <justaguy> so user clicks on it and gets rickrolled
[12:52] <justaguy> also this setup is 100% mobile so i can walk around with it
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:53] <RahulAN> i changed config.txt then also same resolution
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> Warning - security update! To browse the web securely, you need to download this new set of certificicates.
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> (root certs forMITM)
[12:54] <RahulAN> http://codepad.org/qGEhViPU
[12:55] <RahulAN> this is my config.txt
[12:55] <Sonny_Jim> I miss my N900 :-(
[12:55] <Sonny_Jim> Was like a phone and a Pi in one unit
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> I still have my n900 - however the display stopped working.
[12:58] <[Saint]> The N900 and a raspi aren't really that comparable.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, you've told your Pi via config.txt to force a particular resolution. is this what you intended?
[12:58] <[Saint]> Its somewhat sad to think the pi beats it in almost every respectr.
[12:58] <[Saint]> *respect
[12:58] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, No i don't need that
[12:58] <RahulAN> i need to make it as previously it was..
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, then comment out all the fixed size stuff and safe stuff.
[12:59] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, which ones??
[12:59] <RahulAN> disable overscan=1
[12:59] <RahulAN> i make it commented
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, read the comments - e.g. the one that states: # uncomment to force a specific HDMI mode (this will force VGA)
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> the 2 lines after that are uncommented, therefore the Pi is being forced into VGA mode.
[13:00] <RahulAN> Ohkk
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[13:00] <RahulAN> i made them commented
[13:00] <RahulAN> and do i coment that forceHDMI
[13:00] <RahulAN> ?
[13:01] <[Saint]> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[13:01] <[Saint]> Have fun reading.
[13:02] <RahulAN> I commented all now its fine i think..
[13:02] <RahulAN> :)
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[13:02] <Sonny_Jim> [Saint]: Well, what I meant was that both the Pi and the N900 are fairly open systems, compared to something like Android
[13:02] <[Saint]> In future, now you know where the documentation is.
[13:02] <[Saint]> But I suspect you already knew this.
[13:03] <Sonny_Jim> ie If I wanted, I could setup a wifi hotspot to rickroll people on my Pi/N900, can't really do that on Android without rooting it
[13:03] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: Android is _very_ open.
[13:03] <[Saint]> I suspect you're using a weird definition of "open".
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[13:03] <Sonny_Jim> Well, root on the N900 was very simple to get
[13:04] <Sonny_Jim> AFAICS it's much harder to get root on an Android device
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> I lived being able to backup my n900 via rsync over wi-fi.
[13:04] <[Saint]> You're confusing things.
[13:04] <[Saint]> Android itself is very open.
[13:04] <Sonny_Jim> Read my comments again
[13:04] <[Saint]> Vendor/device specific bootloaders and modem firmware, however...
[13:05] <[Saint]> I did read your comments.
[13:05] <[Saint]> Its not Android keeping you out.
[13:05] <Sonny_Jim> Errr
[13:05] <Sonny_Jim> It just seemed to me that with the Pi/N900, you are almost expected to hack it about
[13:05] <Sonny_Jim> Rather than being tied into Google Play for everything
[13:07] <[Saint]> Android isn't.
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[13:07] <[Saint]> You seem confused about what Android is/isn't.
[13:07] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't what?
[13:07] <[Saint]> tied into Google play.
[13:07] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[13:08] <Sonny_Jim> So what do you think I'm confused about specifically?
[13:08] <[Saint]> Well, you just contradicted yourself, so you tell me.
[13:08] <Sonny_Jim> How did I contradict myself?
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[13:09] <[Saint]> Well, unless it was a timing error you just agreed with me that android isn't tied into Google Play.
[13:09] <[Saint]> (because it isn't)
[13:09] <Sonny_Jim> Seems to me that it is
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[13:10] <[Saint]> You have absolutely zero obligation to use it.
[13:10] <Sonny_Jim> But then how do you do anything on an Android phone without a google account?
[13:10] <[Saint]> You needn't even have a Google account at all.
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[13:10] <Sonny_Jim> Apart from the bare functions of browsing/phone/text?
[13:10] <[Saint]> You're aware that you can sideload Android applications and that third party markets exist, right?
[13:11] <Sonny_Jim> That requires rooting it, doesn't it?
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> no
[13:11] <[Saint]> No.
[13:11] <Sonny_Jim> oh
[13:11] <[Saint]> NP. I wasn't trying to take you to school. You seemed genuinely confused. That's all.
[13:11] <[Saint]> No biggie.
[13:11] <Sonny_Jim> take me to school?
[13:11] <Sonny_Jim> You know, you could be less abrasive when talking to people
[13:12] <Sonny_Jim> rather than sounding like an arrogant twit
[13:12] <[Saint]> Says the guy being directly and deliberately abusive because he misunderstands the tone of someone else.
[13:12] <[Saint]> Nice.
[13:12] <evil_dan2wik> cool it pls.
[13:13] <Sonny_Jim> The only bit I'm confused about is how you can have an Android operating system without having to use Google Play or having to reflash
[13:14] <[Saint]> That's the way Android comes by default.
[13:14] <evil_dan2wik> Sonny_Jim, use the app store.
[13:14] <[Saint]> Google Play wasn't there until you added a Google account to it.
[13:14] <[Saint]> I suspect you didn't notice that, maybe? That's usually the first thing people do. But, you needn't /have/ to.
[13:14] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], not the first thing I did
[13:15] <evil_dan2wik> The first thing I did was somehow corrupt the android operating system by declining the license agreement
[13:15] <[Saint]> Heh. Nice.
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Android is very much not the same ifyou do not use the non-opensource android bits provided as binaries by google
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[13:16] <SpeedEvil> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> related
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[13:16] <Sonny_Jim> So when you say sideloading, you mean loading APK files, right?
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[13:16] <[Saint]> I do.
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> It's androids means of control of devices - making users want google apps installed on their devices, rather than simply an open-source release
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> with googles stuff, it's 'normal' android - but the device maker has to jump through _just_ the right hoops and stroke google just right.
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> Or google won't give permission.
[13:18] <[Saint]> And they know that before even considering producing a device.
[13:18] <zoidberg-> Hello all i have a wierd problem, i am running raspbian on my raspberry pi model b. I have 4 network interfaces, 3 usb ethernet dongles (same make), 1 on board nic. on board nic goes to my modem, and the other 3 to switches howeevr, on the other 3 if i plug them independently into a computer to get a dhcp lease i get the wrong ips assigned for the interface, e.g. eth3 = 192.168.4.0/24 i plug in there and get a 192.168.1.0 address which is the add
[13:18] <zoidberg-> coudl it be a usb issue?
[13:18] <zoidberg-> has anyone seen this before?
[13:18] <[Saint]> Its a way of introducing consistent experiences.
[13:18] <zoidberg-> it's driving me mad :(
[13:18] <[Saint]> Not a way of enforcing control.
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: Two sides of the same coin
[13:19] <[Saint]> Android's major problem is vendor fragmentation.
[13:19] <[Saint]> If Google didn't impose such rules for the use of Android...things would be very ugly.
[13:19] <Sonny_Jim> Same could be said for any walled garden
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: Even the most ardent enthusiast can't say that having to be able to be vetted before producing a device is always a good thing.
[13:20] <[Saint]> Wouldn't you want to make sure that something showcasing your work did it in the best way possible?
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> zoidberg-, if the Pi is acting as a router, shouldn't you be statically configuring all the interfaces and running dhcpd on the Pi?
[13:20] <[Saint]> I would find it hard to think anyone else would act any differently in the same situation.
[13:21] <zoidberg-> gordonDrogon: i am - you misunderstood me. They all have static ips, when i was getting odd behaviour on my switches with vlans configurd, so i plugged directly my computer to the raspberry pi, and got DHCP on the computer from the PI
[13:21] <zoidberg-> depending on what interface i plug into
[13:21] <zoidberg-> the problem lies it dishes me out the wron ip to what im plugged into
[13:21] <zoidberg-> yet dnsmasq is configured correctly as you can see in my pastebin
[13:21] <zoidberg-> if i remove the third usb dongle everything works fine
[13:21] <zoidberg-> apart from that interface
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> not looking as I don't use dnsmasq
[13:21] <zoidberg-> heh
[13:22] <zoidberg-> its not an issue with dnsmasq but nevermind.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I use named and isc-dhcp-server
[13:22] <zoidberg-> Yes yes, whatever. You're obviously here to brag about yourself.
[13:22] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[13:22] <zoidberg-> Has anyone else experienced any funny behaviour like this?
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> zoidberg-, ok, whatever, good luck with it.
[13:22] <Sonny_Jim> What is it with people this morning, Monday blues or something?
[13:22] <[Saint]> And you apparently don't want support.
[13:23] <zoidberg-> [Saint]: i wasn't getting support from gordonDrogon.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> you might have done if you hadn't been a pratt.
[13:23] <[Saint]> ^ that
[13:23] <zoidberg-> I don't see how i've been a pratt?
[13:23] <zoidberg-> gordonDrogon: you're hgiher than mighty attitude didn't gel well i'm sorry if i offended you.
[13:24] <Sonny_Jim> So what's dishing out the IP addresses? dnsmasq?
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> saying stuff like that really doesn't hlep.
[13:24] <zoidberg-> the problem lies with usuing multple usb dongles of the same make/model
[13:24] <zoidberg-> its getting confused
[13:24] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: correct, yet the underlying wasy raspbian ties hardware to the interfaces seems broken
[13:24] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure you can set udev rules to specify which order the devices come up as (eth0-eth2)
[13:24] <Sonny_Jim> Tied to the MAC iirc
[13:24] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: its not that
[13:24] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: on the raspberry pi itself, the interfaces are configured correctly
[13:24] <zoidberg-> they dont get the wrong ip's or anything
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[13:25] <zoidberg-> its when you plug in over dhcp it gives the wrong ip whent he final usb dongle is in
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[13:25] <zoidberg-> which makes it sound liek a dns masq problem granted
[13:25] <Sonny_Jim> I'm having trouble understanding your last two sentances
[13:25] <Sonny_Jim> So when you have two eth dongles, it works?
[13:26] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: ok, so its not to do with boot order of interfaces. eth2 = 192.168.3.1, eth3 = 192.168.4.1.
[13:26] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: if i plug into eth2, i get 192.168.1.x ip
[13:26] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: if i plug into eth3 i get 192.168.3.x ip
[13:26] <zoidberg-> dnsmas listens on eth2 and dishes out .3.x addresses
[13:26] <Sonny_Jim> Definitely sounds like a misconfigured dhcpd
[13:26] <zoidberg-> dnsmasq listens on eth3 and dishes out .4.x addresses
[13:26] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: I know thats what it sounds like/looks like but it isn't.
[13:27] <zoidberg-> if i remove the last usb dongle eth3 it all works fine..
[13:27] <Sonny_Jim> You haven't farted around with iptables at all?
[13:27] <zoidberg-> yes i have a firewall doing source based policy routing and NAT/MASQ
[13:27] <zoidberg-> but again, that is not the issue, i am fairly certain the issue is around these:
[13:28] <zoidberg-> http://codepad.org/wdTVE3hd
[13:28] <zoidberg-> using 3 of the same usb dongles seems to cause this issue
[13:28] <zoidberg-> there is no tying of mac addresses to interfaces
[13:28] <zoidberg-> in the udev rules like debian does automatically
[13:28] <zoidberg-> i wondering if this is the issue
[13:28] <zoidberg-> i ruled out fireall/dhcp
[13:28] <Sonny_Jim> Err
[13:28] <zoidberg-> ?
[13:29] <Sonny_Jim> check out : /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[13:29] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait, it doesn't exist
[13:30] <evil_dan2wik> I have no idea if my Pi is stable or not with my overclock settings. The minecraft server running on it starts to start up and then half way through, it just goes back to the terminal.
[13:31] <Sonny_Jim> zoidberg-: So what stops working when you plug in the third dongle?
[13:31] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: that fille doens't exist thats what i wondered
[13:32] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: when i plug it in (nothing happens) but then if i plug my laptop directly to the pi on eth2 or eth3 i get the wrong addresses
[13:32] <zoidberg-> i remove eth3 device
[13:32] <zoidberg-> i get the rgith addresses
[13:32] <zoidberg-> *right
[13:32] <Sonny_Jim> Weird
[13:32] <zoidberg-> it's as if when i plug in the 3rd device the raspberry pi gets confused which piece of hardware belongs to which interface
[13:32] <Sonny_Jim> Tying MACs to eths isn't going to fix that
[13:32] <zoidberg-> and then services running on that interface mess up
[13:32] <zoidberg-> was just a thought (im out of ideas now) hence comming here to ask for help
[13:33] <zoidberg-> its such an odd problem google doesnt help me either :(
[13:33] <Sonny_Jim> Did you post a link to your network configuration?
[13:33] <zoidberg-> i mean how bizarre is this, right now i am plugged into eth2 (i should get an 192.168.3.x ip - instead i get 192.168.1.x ip)
[13:33] <zoidberg-> i'll do it now
[13:33] <zoidberg-> http://codepad.org/DDd34thW <-- ifconfig/dnsmasq.conf
[13:34] <zoidberg-> as per the paste, i am plugged directly into eth2
[13:34] <zoidberg-> my mac gets a dhcp of:
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[13:34] <zoidberg-> inet 192.168.1.73 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
[13:34] <Sonny_Jim> Could you post /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:34] <zoidberg-> sure
[13:35] <Sonny_Jim> Man that's a confusing numbering scheme
[13:35] <zoidberg-> http://codepad.org/i5UofRZN
[13:35] <Sonny_Jim> eth0 = 192.168.2.11, eth1= 192.168.1.1
[13:35] <[Saint]> Yeah, isn't it.
[13:35] <zoidberg-> unfortuantley 192.168.2.x is due to my crappy modem
[13:35] <Sonny_Jim> I'd start by changing that to something more legible
[13:35] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: if i do that right now ill have to change a lot of other things in my network
[13:35] <Sonny_Jim> Like eth= 192.168.2.11, eth1 = 192.168.3.11, eth2 = 192.168.4.11 etc
[13:36] <zoidberg-> yeah i know what ya mean
[13:36] <Sonny_Jim> At least swap around eth1/eth0
[13:36] <zoidberg-> forget about eth1 thats my modem (draytek vigor)
[13:36] <zoidberg-> ok moving forward i wil but i cant really do it right now
[13:36] <zoidberg-> but i agree it is confusing its the default fromt he vigor
[13:37] <[Saint]> Huh. I had the same router once upon a time.
[13:37] <[Saint]> Ended up with leaking caps and committing suicide.
[13:37] <Sonny_Jim> Errr
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[13:37] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: ?
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[13:38] <Sonny_Jim> Could you post your dnsmasq.conf please?
[13:38] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait nevermind
[13:39] <[Saint]> re-post?
[13:39] <[Saint]> ah.
[13:39] <Sonny_Jim> Could you post the dnsmasq log as well please?
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[13:42] <Sonny_Jim> My hunch is that the dnsmasq config is in the wrong order
[13:42] <Sonny_Jim> config file parser in dnsmasq is getting confused
[13:42] <Sonny_Jim> http://codepad.org/DDd34thW
[13:42] <Sonny_Jim> Checkout around line 68
[13:43] <Sonny_Jim> Try making it look more like this:
[13:43] <Sonny_Jim> http://pastebin.com/Eeq0KWVD
[13:44] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, you have interface=tun0 which I'm pretty sure you don't need
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[13:49] <Sonny_Jim> Jeez, /etc/dnsmasq.conf has some archaic options
[13:50] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: hrm... so whats the probem then and what do you need me to paste ? (sorry had a phone call)
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[13:50] <Sonny_Jim> First, I would make the file a bit more legible, like I have done here http://pastebin.com/Eeq0KWVD
[13:51] <Sonny_Jim> Then, maybe comment out the eth3 entries and try it with 3 devices plugged in
[13:52] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: ok let me work it like that, never thought about the darn order!
[13:52] <Sonny_Jim> Oh yeah and post the dnsmasq log from /var/log
[13:52] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: remove interface 192.168.4.x for now till 3 is working? then when 3 is working add 4.x?
[13:52] <Sonny_Jim> Once you've written a config file parser, you learn a new respect for keeping config files clean
[13:52] <zoidberg-> :)
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[13:53] <Sonny_Jim> To rule out a weird hardware issue, I would comment out all the eth3 stuff from dnsmasq and test with 3 devices plugged in
[13:53] <Sonny_Jim> Obviously only 2 of them should work
[13:53] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: my dnsmasq log i pm'ed you as its included in daemon.log and there is other stuff int here
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[13:54] <Sonny_Jim> You can just grep it for dnsmasq-dhcp
[13:54] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: sorry not understanding you, if i remove eth3 there are two devices in dnsmasq
[13:54] <evil_dan2wik> Random things on my Pi have just been stopping
[13:54] <evil_dan2wik> No errors or anything
[13:54] <evil_dan2wik> The logs show it running and then it starting again.
[13:54] <zoidberg-> http://codepad.org/nKG98rDh
[13:54] <Sonny_Jim> That log is interesting
[13:54] <zoidberg-> ^% Sonny_Jim
[13:55] <Sonny_Jim> Hah
[13:55] <Sonny_Jim> I think I've figured it out
[13:55] <zoidberg-> really?!
[13:55] <Sonny_Jim> Have a look at /etc/hosts
[13:55] <evil_dan2wik> In the last for minutes, I lost sshd and worker.php
[13:55] <Sonny_Jim> And then look at this log entry:
[13:55] <Sonny_Jim> "Sep 22 11:39:44 router dnsmasq-dhcp[2430]: not giving name dustys-Air to the DHCP lease of 192.168.1.73 because the name exists in /etc/hosts with address 192.168.1.40"
[13:55] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: btw, prior to me asking for help here i had a static dhcp entry for one of my laptops (that maybe what your seeign in the logs) i've since removed that while i was testing
[13:56] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait, maybe not that then
[13:56] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: i used /etc/hosts for dns of dnsmasq
[13:56] <zoidberg-> so that line is not relevant anymore
[13:56] <zoidberg-> as you can see my config does not have the line that generates it anymore
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[13:56] <zoidberg-> i removed it as i thought it might be causign the problem
[13:57] <zoidberg-> ok so now im working with your config but with eth3 removed and all is working, i put eth3 back in, same thing happens.
[13:57] <zoidberg-> wth
[13:57] <Sonny_Jim> What would be really good would be a log of it dishing out an IP address correctly and a log of it misbehaving
[13:57] <Sonny_Jim> afaics in that log you posted it's behaving itself
[13:58] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait I think I see it being squiffy
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[14:00] <Sonny_Jim> I mean look at line 94 of this http://codepad.org/7GBpd9Ki
[14:00] <Sonny_Jim> 91 is eth1 working properly
[14:01] <Sonny_Jim> 92 = eth2 working
[14:01] <Sonny_Jim> 93 = eth3
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[14:03] <Sonny_Jim> The more I look at the log the more confusing it is
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[14:04] <Sonny_Jim> On line 146 you can see a request for 192.168.1.74 coming in on eth2, which then happily dishes out that address, even though eth2 is 192.168.3.1
[14:05] <Sonny_Jim> Really it should have done a DHCPNAK
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[14:15] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: ok i got an idea i wonder if i an create a seperate log file for this testing, then il restart, plug into each interface and come back and show the log
[14:16] <zoidberg-> it should show then just the tests
[14:16] <zoidberg-> going to see if i can set a logfile per config
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[14:17] <Sonny_Jim> You don't really need to do that
[14:17] <Sonny_Jim> but if it's easy enough to do and makes debugging easier, sure
[14:17] <zoidberg-> well im not sure looks like its handled bu rsyslog
[14:17] <zoidberg-> or syslog
[14:18] <zoidberg-> doesnt seem to have a specific dnsmasq logging options :(
[14:18] <Sonny_Jim> Wherever you got that log from last time was fine
[14:18] <zoidberg-> daemon.log using grep
[14:18] <Sonny_Jim> Had all the information you need, at least you can see it going wrong
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[14:18] <zoidberg-> ok
[14:18] <zoidberg-> let me look again at those lines
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[14:19] <zoidberg-> hrm im confuse di dont see it going wrong there?
[14:19] <Sonny_Jim> Ok have a look at line 146 of this log
[14:19] <Sonny_Jim> http://codepad.org/7GBpd9Ki
[14:19] <zoidberg-> im worrried this is before i edited the config
[14:20] <zoidberg-> just for clarity lemme tail -f daemon.log
[14:20] <zoidberg-> and test plugging in and out
[14:20] <zoidberg-> and copy just that new log
[14:20] <Sonny_Jim> You'll see a request for a 192.168.1.x request coming in on eth2 which it happily dishes out
[14:20] <zoidberg-> so i know that those lines i removed from dnsmasq are not affecting it due to it being old log
[14:20] <Sonny_Jim> Really, it should of gone "nah"
[14:20] <zoidberg-> oh
[14:20] <zoidberg-> lets see that
[14:20] <Sonny_Jim> lemme whip up a simpler dnsmasq.conf
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[14:21] <zoidberg-> you are right!
[14:21] <zoidberg-> i think i know the problem
[14:21] <zoidberg-> /etc/hosts has 192.168.1.40 in it
[14:21] <zoidberg-> because i assumed
[14:21] <zoidberg-> when i plug into that network i want that ip, but i dont' want it to exist on the other networks
[14:21] <zoidberg-> SO
[14:21] <zoidberg-> should i remove it or add new lines fo each of the new networks so it can pick the correct one?
[14:21] <zoidberg-> (does that make sense to you ^^)?
[14:21] <zoidberg-> dnsmasq looks up domains in /etc/hosts for dns so thats how yo use local dns with it
[14:22] <zoidberg-> hrm im not sure its that thats causign the problem now, im getting confused :(
[14:23] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, exactly my thought process
[14:23] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: http://codepad.org/r9FdBdyc <-- /etc/hosts
[14:23] <Sonny_Jim> Then I looked at the logs
[14:23] <zoidberg-> i think you were right
[14:24] <zoidberg-> but not sure best way to fix, shoudl i juse remove the host entry for that ip in /etc/hosts?
[14:24] <zoidberg-> or add one for .3 and .4 networks?
[14:24] <Sonny_Jim> It's taking the IP address for a host from /etc/hosts rather than taking it from the DHCP pool?
[14:24] <zoidberg-> i think thats causing problems
[14:24] <zoidberg-> yes
[14:24] <zoidberg-> im not 100% sure but the logs claim that
[14:25] <Sonny_Jim> You could just try commenting out the entry in /etc/hosts to test
[14:25] <zoidberg-> ok
[14:25] <zoidberg-> bare with me ill do that now
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[14:26] <Sonny_Jim> Ah even easier
[14:26] <Sonny_Jim> just put "no-hosts" into dnsmasq.conf
[14:26] <zoidberg-> ok and then restart dnsmasq?
[14:26] <Sonny_Jim> Should stop it from checking /etc/hosts
[14:26] <zoidberg-> ok lets see
[14:27] <zoidberg-> http://codepad.org/X7Ip3OhQ <-- ok it looks like this now
[14:27] <zoidberg-> im going to tail the daemon.log and plug in and out of each interface
[14:27] <zoidberg-> wish me luck
[14:27] <skyroveRR> Is anyone in here using slackware for ARM?
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[14:32] <clever> justaguy: i believe android tries to load a fixed page, like www.google.com/android_test (just an example), and it expects a certain response back
[14:32] <clever> justaguy: if it gets the wrong one, it assumes that a login portal is blocking things, and opens the login UI
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[14:33] <clever> justaguy: if you check your httpd access log, you should even see the url and domain its using on that initial query
[14:33] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: no joy :(
[14:33] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: eth3 works with .4
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[14:33] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: eth2 now doesn't work, it dishes me out 1.x address, and is wierd in the logs lemme paste
[14:34] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: so i did all that, and was plugged into eth3 to start with: http://codepad.org/mqJAVOgB - i unplug eth3 and plug into eth2 and it borks and gives me 192.168.1.x
[14:34] <zoidberg-> 1.73
[14:34] <zoidberg-> it keeps saying (eth1) though for some reason
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[14:38] <zoidberg-> hey
[14:40] <Mr_Sheesh> Question for you folks; What sort of machine would you set up for an RPi development system? I want to change some existing code to talk to a new device - Was thinking of adding a USB hard drive or perhaps a regular thumb drive for the source, probably run it headless and PuTTY in, though I could put the HDMI to VGA adapter I have on there. What do folks use for this?
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[14:42] <[Saint]> Frankly...I wouldn't.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, I develop on the Pi itself.
[14:43] <Sonny_Jim> Same here
[14:43] <[Saint]> Oh. I seem to have misparsed that.
[14:43] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I don't use any complicated IDE, just vim with couple of scripts
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> some bigger stuff I devleop on my desktop initially, but that's running Debian wheezy, so checking it on the Pi is trivial.
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> vim & makefiles here.
[14:43] <Mr_Sheesh> That's what I meant - RPi with a hub on it and either a USB HDD on the hub, or, USB thumb drive on the hub
[14:43] <[Saint]> I was thinking he meant settings up a pi *as* the Dev system.
[14:43] <[Saint]> Aha.
[14:43] <evil_dan2wik> I have my CPU frequency set to 1200MHz, ram is 600MHz, I wonder if the OC is stable.
[14:43] <Sonny_Jim> What's the USB drive for?
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> Oh, I NFS mount my servers on them.
[14:44] <[Saint]> Because SD is terrible.
[14:44] <Mr_Sheesh> for source
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> as I do on my desktop.
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> *shrug*
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> I just stick it up on github
[14:44] <shiftplusone> [Saint], do you have the nick of the guy asking about teletext last night?
[14:44] <Mr_Sheesh> Aah, good point, could code on another machine and put it in a server
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> teletext? that's all but dead in the UK now...
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, I use my laptop to ssh into the Pi and use vim there, then upload to github straight from the Pi
[14:45] <Mr_Sheesh> I'm too rusty on Linux ATM, sadly, RL happened and I got sidelined for a while.
[14:45] * gordonDrogon doesn't use github.
[14:45] <[Saint]> Most desktops laptops are going to blow this out of the water in almost all respects.
[14:45] <[Saint]> I would delegate to a more powerful device.
[14:45] <[Saint]> In fact, I do.
[14:45] <[Saint]> *desktops/laptops
[14:45] <Mr_Sheesh> I can putty in from any machine on the LAN here, just kinda hard to compile it on another machine afaik unless someone has a cross-compiler that runs on x86 to target the RPi?
[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> I normally just compile on the Pi, but then I don't exactly work with huge projects
[14:46] <Mr_Sheesh> (this's my first ARM programming event, done enough other architectures LOL)
[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> And even so, I just leave it to compile the brunt overnight
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[14:47] <Mr_Sheesh> This is some added code to cgminer to talk w/ my widget; Yeah. Could compile it on an x86 to check the code, then do the "real" compile on the Pi
[14:47] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: its toresbe
[14:48] <toresbe> shiftplusone: howdy
[14:48] <toresbe> and good $LOCALTIME to you
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[14:48] <[Saint]> That took _soooooo_ much scrolling.
[14:48] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: ok i got some wierd results, everytime i plug in and out of 192.168.3.x (eth2) it think its eth1 and kilsl the eth1 link
[14:48] <[Saint]> You owe me a new thumb shiftplusone
[14:48] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: let me show you logs
[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> That is weird
[14:49] <shiftplusone> thanks
[14:49] <zoidberg-> http://codepad.org/nVOBD51q <-- i was plugged into eth3, unplugged and plugged in eth2
[14:49] <zoidberg-> thats what happens
[14:49] <shiftplusone> toresbe, hi (bad news).
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> This is rasbian, right?
[14:49] <[Saint]> zoidberg-: is it possible this is a /specific/ dodgy adapter?
[14:49] <toresbe> shiftplusone: aww :(
[14:49] <shiftplusone> toresbe, although the hardware is technically capable of doing it, there's no software support
[14:49] <zoidberg-> holy crap!!
[14:49] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: yes raspbina, what about dhcp cache!
[14:50] <zoidberg-> i wonder if it keeps a cache, look at my lease times
[14:50] <zoidberg-> thats probably it... lemme google see how dnsmasq handles its dhcp cache
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[14:50] <Sonny_Jim> zoidberg-: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=61671
[14:51] <toresbe> shiftplusone: where's the software support lacking? I don't mind going to bare metal.
[14:51] <shiftplusone> toresbe, nuh, it would be firmware-side
[14:51] <Sonny_Jim> I would link to the specific post, but it's about halfway down by MrEngman
[14:51] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: http://codepad.org/Zk9cRsW3 i wonder if thats it
[14:51] <[Saint]> toresbe: likely firmware.
[14:51] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah could just try nuking that file and trying again
[14:51] <[Saint]> Whoops, too late.
[14:51] <shiftplusone> and the docs for that particular part of the hardware are unlikely to be released
[14:51] <Sonny_Jim> Don't *think* it's causing the problem though
[14:52] <toresbe> shiftplusone: aha, OK... bummer. Well, it was very kind of you to look into it.
[14:52] <shiftplusone> Well, I was curious myself
[14:52] <shiftplusone> teletext would be kind of cool... don't know what for, but still cool.
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> what askect of teletext are you after?
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> *aspect?
[14:52] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: do you think i need to create that udev file now?
[14:53] <[Saint]> Does "unlikely" even cut it?
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> I would give it a try, at least you know that the dongles will be in the right order
[14:53] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: ok let me try nuking the file then that, brb
[14:53] <[Saint]> I thought "you'll get those docs when Hell freezes over" to be closer to reality. ;)
[14:53] <shiftplusone> [Saint], no, there are docs in the pipeline for release.
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> Another hunch could be that when you plug in the 3rd dongle, the USB bus goes wonky and resets, then the devices come back up in the wrong order
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> Making that udev file should stop that from happening
[14:54] <shiftplusone> just not that bit
[14:55] <toresbe> gordonDrogon: I'm writing a teletext encoder for a community TV station I volunteer at
[14:55] <Sonny_Jim> zoidberg-: It's this post I'm referring to http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=504917#p504917
[14:55] <Sonny_Jim> Blimey
[14:55] <toresbe> gordonDrogon: but I need to find some way of testing it which does not involve putting it on air
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[14:56] <Sonny_Jim> Didn't they use BBC B's to provide teletext?
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[14:57] <[Saint]> Going full circle.
[14:58] <Sonny_Jim> I think I'm just getting confused as one of the video modes on the Beeb was the same as Teletext
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[14:59] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: removing that file i get the same issues... looking at that link now
[15:01] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: hrm, Sonny_Jim any ideas how i edit this file to my needs? its a bit confusing
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[15:02] <Sonny_Jim> /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules ?
[15:03] <zoidberg-> i just remove it?
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[15:03] <zoidberg-> im confused
[15:03] <zoidberg-> :(
[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> No
[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> Did you read that post I linked to?
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> Where is says "KERNEL!="ath*|msh*|ra*|sta*|ctc*|lcs*|hsi*", \"
[15:04] <zoidberg-> yeah im reading tht
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> Change it to read:
[15:04] <zoidberg-> ats why my line looks like already
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> KERNEL!="ath*|eth*[0-9]|msh*|ra*|sta*|ctc*|lcs*|hsi*", \
[15:04] <zoidberg-> hrm ok
[15:05] <zoidberg-> Sonny_Jim: http://codepad.org/r40ztzEb <-- like that?
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> Not quite
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> KERNEL!="eth*|ath*|wlan*[0-9]|msh*|ra*|sta*|ctc*|lcs*|hsi*"
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> Is not the same as:
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> KERNEL!="eth*|ath*|wlan*[0-9]|msh*|ra*|sta*|ctc*|lcs*|hsi*"
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> Err I mean
[15:06] <Sonny_Jim> KERNEL!="ath*|eth*[0-9]|msh*|ra*|sta*|ctc*|lcs*|hsi*", \
[15:06] <Sonny_Jim> Notice the "eth*[0-9]"
[15:06] <zoidberg-> ahh
[15:06] <zoidberg-> http://codepad.org/pCYNXAjr <-- better
[15:07] <zoidberg-> i think possibily when unplugging cables udev renames it so this may fix it
[15:08] <zoidberg-> so does that look good, should i reboot now or?
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I would shutdown, remove power, then power up again
[15:08] <zoidberg-> ok
[15:08] <zoidberg-> two mins
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> You should be able to leave the dongles plugged in
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> If you have a powered hub I would power that down at the same time
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[15:22] <gordonDrogon> toresbe, ah, intersting. the BBC auctioned/gave away a lot of old kit to do that some time back IIRC...
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, there was also a teletext decoder for the BBC Micro too. They have one at the museum in Cambridge and they say that have some old VHS video tapes with teletext signals still on them...
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[15:24] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I remember the decoder, big box that looked the same as the BBC B case
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[15:30] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, 1/3 BBC B size - same size as other peripherals - tube co-procs, etc.
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[15:30] <gordonDrogon> same profile, so it could sit next to the B.
[15:32] <Sonny_Jim> What was the robot turtle called again?
[15:32] <Sonny_Jim> I remember having one of those
[15:32] <Sonny_Jim> In fact weren't they just called LOGO Turtles
[15:34] <[Saint]> IIRC, it was just called Turtle.
[15:34] <[Saint]> I've still got one...somewhere.
[15:35] <[Saint]> (non-functional)
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> there were at least 4 of them that UK schools used.
[15:36] * gordonDrogon is currently building one from scratch.
[15:42] <[Saint]> I got mine from the old man.
[15:42] <[Saint]> No idea where he got it from.
[15:43] <[Saint]> Its all bound up. I should look at reviving it but I'm really not sure what's wrong with it
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[15:47] <niston> the Turtle was indeed a LOGO thing, iirc
[15:47] <toresbe> gordonDrogon: yeah, data bridges are pretty easy to come by
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[15:47] <toresbe> (well, if you're as into old broadcast kit as I am)
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> niston, I implemented a load of turtle graphics into my RTB too. great fun!
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[16:09] <niston> hehe I remember articles about LOGO in computer magazines of the day
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[17:13] <scales11> hi all. I am running retroarch+emulationstation on my Pi. But, I am frustrated with the performance. I think I need something with more CPU power...anyone else in this boat?
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[17:14] <`Nef> In a way, yes.
[17:14] <IT_Sean> scales11, have you OC'd?
[17:14] <scales11> IT_Sean: i did the "modest" or first one
[17:14] <IT_Sean> Try pushing it higher. Slowly, of course.
[17:15] <IT_Sean> Most (not all, but most) Pis can be pushed to 1GHz. Just be sure to keep regular backups incase of SD card corruption
[17:15] <scales11> well specifically, it doesnt play NES or SNES games well. Very laggy, audio and video
[17:15] <ozzzy> scales11, well... nobody ever bought a Pi for it's super-fast CPU
[17:15] <`Nef> ^
[17:15] <shiftplusone> Hmm... thought NES would be fine.
[17:15] <shiftplusone> and SNES really
[17:15] <scales11> Yes, lets just say I am learning from experience :)
[17:16] <shiftplusone> tried different emulators?
[17:16] <`Nef> It took me ~6 hours to compile something I did in 2 minutes on my NUC (I don't care if I could've cross-compiled it), then I ran out of space when I downloaded the blockchain. lol
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[17:16] <scales11> shiftplusone: havent got there yet. Gameboy games seem OK
[17:16] <shiftplusone> without all this retroarch nonsense
[17:16] <scales11> shiftplusone: no. I have only used retroarch
[17:17] <clever> `Nef: the main bitcoin chain can eat 100% cpu on my 1.6ghz laptop at times, just trying to stay in sync, dont even think about catching up, lol
[17:17] <scales11> shiftplusone: I am actually using UltraSLIM. I tried starting from scratch on Archarm, but i cant get retroarch to compile
[17:17] <[Saint]> We can run NES games in realtime on an iPod.
[17:17] <[Saint]> Something must be messed up if a pi cant ...
[17:18] <`Nef> clever, only if you let it the blockchain run too far ahead ;)
[17:18] <`Nef> compiling was the pain
[17:18] <clever> [Saint]: i need to look into fixing oprofile again
[17:18] <clever> the arm has so many performance counters that it could use
[17:18] <[Saint]> And GB/GBA
[17:18] <scales11> shiftplusone: I want to have a standalone box that emulates NES,SNES,GBC,GENESIS,MAME.
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[17:19] <scales11> Compiling takes so long (and I am a newb to it) so if things are not going to work well, I would rather jump to another board
[17:19] * shiftplusone shrugs
[17:19] <shiftplusone> I wasn't too impressed with the way retroarch is set up under the hood, so I don't have much faith in the whole thing
[17:19] <`Nef> just use a small pc
[17:19] <scales11> shiftplusone: is there another option?
[17:20] <clever> i often run an SNES emulator on my android tablet
[17:20] <shiftplusone> I'd do it myself
[17:20] <scales11> `Nef: well in hindsight yes, but I dont have the space
[17:20] <clever> and with sixaxis and root, i can pipe a PS3 controller into the tablet
[17:20] <[Saint]> Its important to note that some emulators strive for perfect reproduction, and not realtime.
[17:20] <[Saint]> Its either one or the other.
[17:20] <[Saint]> Never both.
[17:21] <scales11> [Saint]: humm. well I would prefer the reproduction...that means same original speed right?
[17:21] <[Saint]> Well...very, very, VERY rarely both.
[17:21] <clever> [Saint]: i just remembered, ive seen a JAVASCRIPT gameboy emulator!
[17:21] <clever> and it ran in real-time
[17:22] <[Saint]> No, that would mean emulating all game behavior, bugs and all, potentially at the cost is realtime.
[17:22] <clever> canvas, scanline emulation, audio emulation
[17:22] <[Saint]> *at the cost of
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[17:22] <clever> http://codebase.es/jsgb/
[17:24] <[Saint]> clever: not surprising at all.
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[17:24] <[Saint]> As mentioned above we can do realtime emulation on PP (PortalPlayer...remember that? Lol) iPods.
[17:25] <[Saint]> 80MHz CPU and 32MB RAM.
[17:25] <MY123> clever: Hi
[17:25] <[Saint]> (there is a coprocessor but we don't use it here)
[17:26] <[Saint]> So JS isn't too much of a stretch at all.
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[17:26] <clever> with c or assembly, you shouldnt have too much trouble emulating something of a lower clock cycle
[17:26] <clever> just make sure each instructions implementation takes less then the division of the 2 clocks
[17:26] <[Saint]> Its all C and ARM assembly.
[17:27] <clever> the only place i can see nasty overhead is in something like xorg
[17:27] <clever> for example, i recently tried VNC on my pi, with a 3d game running on the far end
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[17:27] <clever> xorg ate so much cpu constantly redrawing (vnc client didnt wait), that it ignored all input
[17:27] <MY123> clever: DispmanxVNC?
[17:27] <clever> and it was imposible to control, plus it lagged by several minutes
[17:27] <clever> MY123: x11 vnc, i also need synergy
[17:28] <[Saint]> Have you tried one of he X-on-steroids type variants I forget the name of?
[17:28] <clever> not yet
[17:28] <MY123> clever: Better try something using DirectFB
[17:28] <clever> my next option is directfb vnc, and running synergy on the far end
[17:28] <[Saint]> They're getting bloody good.
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[17:28] <[Saint]> Right.
[17:28] <clever> but i'm not sure how it will handle the mouse being moved at the far end
[17:29] <MY123> clever: Don't forget to enable OpenGL ES support when building DirectFB
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[17:29] <clever> pi@pi2 ~ $ apt-cache search vnc|grep direct
[17:29] <clever> directvnc - VNC client using the framebuffer as display
[17:29] <clever> pi@pi2 ~ $
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[17:29] <MY123> clever: You should rebuild from source
[17:30] <MY123> (Raspbian supports only Desktop OpenGL)
[17:31] <[Saint]> Indeed so.
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[17:32] <MY123> ...or wait Eric@anholt.net :-)
[17:32] <clever> Couldn't parse the keyboard mapping file (null). Exiting
[17:33] <clever> directvnc fails to start up
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[17:33] <MY123> clever: R.T.F.M
[17:34] <clever> i did
[17:34] <clever> no answer
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[17:34] <MY123> clever: FM of DirectFB , not directvnc
[17:34] <MY123> *FM: Fine Manual
[17:35] <scales11> shiftplusone: is there a better way to handle a few emulators than retroarch?
[17:36] <scales11> do I need retroarch to use emulationstation?
[17:36] <scales11> does retroarch just keep the emulators updated?
[17:36] <shiftplusone> sudo apt-get install <all the emulators>
[17:38] <IT_Sean> did you just suto apt-get ALL THE THINGS!?
[17:38] <scales11> shiftplusone: well yes I know that. I guess I didnt realize that i didnt need retroarch
[17:38] <scales11> IT_Sean: hahah no
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> I thought it was RetroPie?
[17:38] <scales11> I just used UltraSLIM
[17:38] <scales11> I didnt andd anything
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> http://blog.petrockblock.com/retropie/#retrosetup
[17:39] <[Saint]> suto?
[17:39] <IT_Sean> *sudo
[17:39] <IT_Sean> Bloody keyboard moved on me, i swear.
[17:39] <[Saint]> su in a nice dress suit.
[17:39] <[Saint]> suito
[17:39] <IT_Sean> 's like sudo, but... fancy.
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> (Raspbian supports only Desktop OpenGL) <--- I thought it only supported OpenGL ES, which is a different beast to OpenGL
[17:40] <scales11> what was that?
[17:40] <scales11> CTCP?
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[17:56] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: Only /opt/vc additionnal tools support OpenGL
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[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> Proper OpenGL?
[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> Or OpenGL ES?
[17:57] <Sonny_Jim> As if I could get OpenGL to work with pyglet, I'd be soooo happy
[17:59] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: ES. Eric Anholt supports OpenGL but beta
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[18:06] <clever> Sonny_Jim: i found that when i was writing the v3d drivers, opengl API wastes a ton of memory bandwidth and cpu cycles re-inputing data on every frame
[18:06] <clever> openglES lacks that api, and forces you to use the more effecient route, so it performs better on underpowered hardware
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[18:06] <clever> so adding full opengl support will likely make things perform worse
[18:06] <clever> bbl
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[18:09] <Sonny_Jim> Well, atm it's a case of having it work slowly, or not working at all
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[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> Any suggestions for a free DNS service like noip?
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[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> It seems the noip ones stop working after about 14 days
[19:23] <Encrypt> Hum
[19:23] <Encrypt> It works for me, even after 14 days
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[19:27] <Sonny_Jim> What's the command to start the no-ip2 client on boot?
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[19:30] <Liam`> Sonny_Jim: You could always use Cloudflare with a DDNS script of either theirs or someone elses
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[19:32] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, I've given it another go
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[19:34] <Sonny_Jim> Bah
[19:34] <Sonny_Jim> upnpc doesn't seem to like my router
[19:34] <Sonny_Jim> upnp -r ssh tcp
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[19:48] <shiftplusone> duckdns
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[19:49] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure I got my noip2 sorted this time
[19:50] <Sonny_Jim> Trying to portforward with upnpc is another matter, keep on getting error 501
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[20:07] <kubast2> Hmm I'll be getting RPi ,and I need android compatybile ethernet USB NIC switch[full usb is okay] ,to establish ssh or vnc conection.
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[20:07] <kubast2> Do you guys know any?
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> What doyou mean by 'android compatible' ?
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[20:12] <kubast2> RPi has ethernet built-in
[20:12] <kubast2> while my smartphone doesn't
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> A lamentable lack in many phones.
[20:13] <[Saint]> kubast2: why the requirement for USB eth?
[20:13] <[Saint]> What's wrong with WiFi?
[20:14] <kubast2> hmm...
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[20:14] <kubast2> actually nothing
[20:15] <kubast2> I think I've said that as I'm not sure which RPi I'll get
[20:15] <kubast2> So I'm not sure if I'll don't have all of the ports used
[20:15] <[Saint]> There's pretty much no reason at all to get an A unless you require a low profile option.
[20:16] <[Saint]> And absolutely no reason to get a B over a B+
[20:16] <[Saint]> So, you'll have 4 USB ports to play with.
[20:16] <kubast2> I know ,but my parents are paying debs ,and that's why I'm not sure
[20:17] <[Saint]> A WiFi dongle is also going to cost less, and be a LOT more versatile.
[20:17] <[Saint]> I imagine being tethered to the pi with a cable is going to get bloody annoying.
[20:17] <[Saint]> WiFi defeats that issue.
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[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> Speaking of Wifi, this little thing looks pretty cool, if a little superfluous on the Pi:
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.electrodragon.com/product/esp8266-wi07c-wifi-module/
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> Considering it's $4.50 and you can pretty much buy a USB WiFi dongle for that much
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[20:46] <djazz> Building RasPiBot V2 http://i.imgur.com/uW0Ceuz.jpg
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> expen$ive Lego ...
[20:47] <djazz> yep
[20:47] <Artox> about expensive lego
[20:48] <Artox> has anyone considered putting an RPi into one of those Lego Control Bricks?
[20:48] <Artox> into an older one of course, no need top burn money
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> the original RC1's ?
[20:48] <Artox> I only got an RC2
[20:48] <Artox> but, yes
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> I have one, but I rather like it the way is it.
[20:48] <Artox> I haven't been using mine for ages
[20:49] <djazz> the RCX?
[20:49] <Artox> its yellow, and I think its RC2
[20:49] <djazz> yea, I have RCX 1.0
[20:50] <djazz> and NXT 1 and NXT 2
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[20:50] <Artox> pah
[20:50] <Artox> wai so many
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[20:50] <djazz> wai not XD
[20:51] <Artox> cuz
[20:51] <Artox> [20:46] <gordonDrogon> expen$ive Lego ...
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[20:51] <djazz> i was young, I saved to it
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> Artox, yes?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> actually my 1.0 has been upgraded to 1.1 ...
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[20:54] <Artox> I see, djazz
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[20:56] <djazz> here's V1 :D https://plus.google.com/+DanielJ%C3%B6nsson/posts/6XZJa8QX3xs
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[20:57] <djazz> and before I had an rpi cam: http://oi47.tinypic.com/2133s4p.jpg
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[21:01] <[Saint]> Noooooooooooo! Pi-5 want to liiiiiiiiiiiive!
[21:01] <[Saint]> (all I can think of)
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[21:02] <djazz> xD
[21:02] <steve_rox> :-P
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[21:02] <[Saint]> No disassemble!
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[21:04] <[Saint]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjeptaI2T8E#t=45
[21:05] <djazz> xD
[21:06] <[Saint]> Its all I could think of when I saw your pic.
[21:06] <[Saint]> Pi-5 is alive!
[21:06] * [Saint] now feels _very_ old.
[21:07] <[Saint]> Man...'86? Really?
[21:07] <[Saint]> Jeez.
[21:07] * [Saint] now feels _very_ older.
[21:07] <djazz> [Saint]: someone commented: "Johnny 5 when he was only 6 months old! 8>)"
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[22:08] <sander^home> What pi operating system is best for an apache/php/python/mysql stack?
[22:09] <`Nef> which are you most comfortable with?
[22:09] <sander^home> a debian/ubuntu related one.
[22:10] <`Nef> use raspbian
[22:10] <`Nef> are you deploying a web app on apache?
[22:10] <sander^home> yes
[22:10] <kij__> i'm running wordpress on raspbian. it runs fine. uses php/mysql im using nginx though
[22:10] <`Nef> ^
[22:10] <`Nef> nginx is the way forward
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[22:11] <sander^home> I was thinking about making it a dev sever with a git server too.
[22:11] <Encrypt> +1
[22:12] <sander^home> `Nef, kij__ thanks, i'll check it out:)
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[23:00] <evil_dan2wik> well, there goes the idea of powering the Pi from my TV's USB ports
[23:01] <evil_dan2wik> The USB ports turn off when the TV turns off
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[23:02] <ozzzy> sounds like a job for SolderMan
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[23:02] <evil_dan2wik> not pulling the TV apart.
[23:02] <evil_dan2wik> since it isn't even mine
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[23:10] <DoctorBTC> evil_dan2wik: how about tv charges a usb power supply, that powers the pi
[23:10] <DoctorBTC> ?
[23:10] <DoctorBTC> just have to make sure you watch enough tv to fill it up
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[23:11] <[Saint]> You would need to watch around 12h of television a day to provide enough charge to run a pi for the other 12.
[23:11] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[23:12] <[Saint]> Assuming its supplying 500mA, which is may or may not, as the pi won't enumerate.
[23:12] <[Saint]> It may only dish out 100mA
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[23:12] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], TV says 700ma, 2A max both ports
[23:12] <[Saint]> That's very common for devices that don't/can't communicate their requirements
[23:12] <[Saint]> Right, but the pi isn't saying "Hey, USB, I want this much juice please"
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[23:13] <[Saint]> So some devices may not provide a full 500mA (or higher)
[23:13] <evil_dan2wik> yeah, but the lights on my Pi is still lit up so I assume it is getting enough power.
[23:13] <[Saint]> Aha.
[23:14] <evil_dan2wik> but I still need to find enough power source that doesn't turn off
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> doesn't the pi short the usb data lines together? thought that was the indicator for a charge port to supply up to 2 amps...
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> hm. it doesn't, although it looks like one of the data lines is shorted to 0v.
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> oops - my mistake, they're both left open.
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[23:33] <evil_dan2wik> Yeah, I don't get why the Pi doesn't close the data lines.
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[23:34] <Sonny_Jim> $35, that's why
[23:34] <evil_dan2wik> an extra .2mm of trace and the data lines are shorted.
[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't it need to enumrate as well?
[23:35] <evil_dan2wik> idk
[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> USB is a strange and fearsome beast
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> indeed and very few things actually implement the full shenangans of the spec for power.
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[23:37] <gordonDrogon> e.g. the B+ can limit power @ 600mA or 1.2A but won't do any of the negotiation about it - a cheap chip vs. a more costly one, I guess...
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[23:54] <evil_dan2wik> I overclocked my Pi too much so I put it in the freezer since I don't have a micro SD card reader with me.
[23:55] <Sonny_Jim> Huh?
[23:55] <Sonny_Jim> You know this thing called "condensation" right?
[23:56] <evil_dan2wik> yeah?
[23:56] <evil_dan2wik> What about it?
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[23:56] <Sonny_Jim> Nothing
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[23:57] <evil_dan2wik> Sonny_Jim, I already prepared for that
[23:57] <evil_dan2wik> by turning the air conditioning on.
[23:57] <evil_dan2wik> there is small ammounts of condensation but the Pi is booting
[23:58] <evil_dan2wik> and now for the hair dryer
[23:59] <NedScott> wow
[23:59] <NedScott> this motolorola lapdock works
[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> motolololroroloa?
[23:59] <NedScott> the guy who sold it to me on ebay (for $20), said he couldn't get it to work
[23:59] <NedScott> haha
[23:59] <NedScott> ooops

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