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IRC Log for 2014-09-24

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[0:04] <Eren97> Now that I got a raspberry pi.. Idk what to do with it
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[0:04] <`NefZzz> lol
[0:05] <`NefZzz> I'm in the same boat
[0:05] <shiftplusone> Do you do any programming?
[0:05] <`NefZzz> Yes
[0:05] <shiftplusone> Not you
[0:06] <`NefZzz> You didn't direct your question at anyone
[0:06] <shiftplusone> Everything always has to be about you, Nef =P
[0:06] <`NefZzz> I thought that was your pet hate
[0:06] <shiftplusone> What was?
[0:07] <`NefZzz> Asking a question like without a target, like "does anyone here like Hershey's"
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[0:08] <shiftplusone> Ah, no. Mine is leading with a question that has nothing to do with the question you actually want to ask.
[0:08] <niston> yo
[0:08] <niston> I see a bright future for ARM
[0:08] <niston> incoming!
[0:08] <shiftplusone> Like "Anyone here own a cat?" "Yes, why?" "How do I take photos of cats with the pi camera?"
[0:08] <`NefZzz> lol
[0:09] <`NefZzz> I was nearly right
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[0:09] <niston> it may even herald the demise of intel & co
[0:10] * plugwash doubts that
[0:10] <`NefZzz> ^
[0:11] <plugwash> intel seem to be having more luck pushing downwards than arm are having pushing upwards
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[0:12] <Eren97> shiftplusone: I've started out with some C
[0:13] <shiftplusone> Eren97, could write a game or some-such
[0:13] <Eren97> But I just got the idea of a dlna server.. Now my only problem is
[0:13] <`NefZzz> Eren97, good choice; make sure you try python out
[0:13] <shiftplusone> teach yourself something new
[0:13] <`NefZzz> Like python
[0:13] <Eren97> The hdd doesn't start running fully
[0:14] <shiftplusone> .... I'm not sure that there's much "learning" involved in using python
[0:14] <shiftplusone> if you already know another language
[0:14] <Eren97> So it fails spinning up.. Therefore retrying
[0:14] <plugwash> shiftplusone, depends what that other language is
[0:14] <shiftplusone> it's more like putting up with
[0:14] <Eren97> How can i get it moar energy
[0:14] <Eren97> For the hdd
[0:15] <Eren97> shiftplusone: Putin up?
[0:15] <plugwash> coming from something like php python will seem like a cleaner implementation of the same concepts
[0:15] <shiftplusone> well.... php has its own section in hell.
[0:15] <`NefZzz> ^
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[0:15] <plugwash> coming from C python will involve a lot of useful constructs that simply don't exist in the language you are coming from
[0:15] * killer_prince is now known as lazy_prince
[0:16] <`NefZzz> ^
[0:16] <`NefZzz> Python OP
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[0:16] <`NefZzz> plz nerf
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[0:17] <shiftplusone> I guess that's why it doesn't have a switch statement or a proper alternative. >.>
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[0:17] <Eren97> How can i get it moar energy to my hdd as the usb port isn't enough?
[0:18] <Eren97> Can I get
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[0:18] <`NefZzz> use function calls in a dictionary
[0:18] <shiftplusone> yeah
[0:18] <clever> Eren97: powered usb hub
[0:18] <Eren97> That's a thing?
[0:19] <`NefZzz> Yes
[0:19] <Eren97> Wow
[0:19] <clever> its a thing that is mentioned in this room 100's of times a day
[0:19] <`NefZzz> Invented in the stone age
[0:19] <Eren97> I know it exists
[0:19] <shiftplusone> Then you've got lambda functions, silly ways to filter a list, decorators and all that fun stuff.
[0:19] <Eren97> But I totally forgot the term
[0:20] <clever> *looks*
[0:20] * `NefZzz falls asleep
[0:20] <clever> 'powered hub' has been said in here 140 times acording to my log
[0:20] <clever> and another 57 for 'powered usb hub'
[0:21] <shiftplusone> surely not in a day though
[0:21] <clever> yeah, total since i began logging
[0:21] <clever> i guessed the rate wrong
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[0:22] <shiftplusone> if it was said 100s of times a day, I think pretty much all discussion in this channel would be made up of those words >.>
[0:22] <shiftplusone> Not too active nowadays
[0:23] <Eren97> powered USB Hub
[0:23] <Eren97> powered USB Hub
[0:23] * Eren97 runs
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[0:24] <clever> lol
[0:24] <Lunario> java keeps crashing on my raspberry with the message "the program java closed unexpectedly" (and says i do not have enough memory to analyse the problem). What could be the reason for that and how could I change it? Any ideas?
[0:25] <clever> Lunario: i would start by running it from a terminal window, so you get a better error
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[0:25] <Lunario> do i start it by simply typing "java"?
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[0:25] <clever> java -jar foo.jar
[0:25] <Lunario> btw actually, I never launch it directly, I think it automatically starts when I start a program that uses it
[0:25] <clever> thats the usual way to run jar files
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[0:26] <clever> Lunario: then run that program in a terminal instead
[0:26] <shiftplusone> speaking of Java.... the programmers here might like this https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition
[0:26] <Lunario> I am running it in a terminal via "sh programname.sh", but it gives no output afterwards with respect to errors or so, O simply get a new commandline to type into
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[0:27] <clever> Lunario: could be that its hiding the errors, but it may help to inspect programname.sh
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[0:28] <clever> Lunario: dmesg may also show more info
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[0:28] <Lunario> ok, will try, thanks
[0:30] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, but, could it be bad?
[0:30] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, what?
[0:30] <evil_dan2wik> [ 1835.728954] bcm2708_fb_blank(1) returns=1 p[1]=0x80000000
[0:31] <shiftplusone> oh, that
[0:31] <evil_dan2wik> I ended up falling asleep before you replied, sorry.
[0:31] <shiftplusone> No, I think it's just the logging level displaying debug information or something. Is this arch?
[0:31] <evil_dan2wik> this is raspbian
[0:31] <shiftplusone> Ah, I don't think I've seen it pop up there, I think
[0:32] <shiftplusone> Don't know. If it's bad, it doesn't seem to cause anything bad to happen so....
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[0:33] <evil_dan2wik> I am just not sure if that is normal or a result of my overclocking.
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[0:34] <shiftplusone> I strongly believe in the "if things are not on fire, nothing is wrong" approach to these things.
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[0:34] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
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[0:38] <Sonny_Jim> You know, I'm thinking that it's going to be quicker to write my own darn IRC bot than to configure eggdrop
[0:40] <poutine> eggdrop was a great bot in 1999
[0:40] <poutine> I wrote a simple nodejs layer that accepts plugins to connect into it, and it relays IRC messages through the socket.io interface the plugins connect to
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[0:40] <evil_dan2wik> Sonny_Jim, I wrote my own in lua, it took about 10 minutes.
[0:41] <Sonny_Jim> Is Lua one of those languages that looks at whitespace?
[0:41] <poutine> eggdrop was programmed to defend #gayteens from trolls, it's overkill or the wrong tool for most jobs
[0:41] <Sonny_Jim> Because I absolutely detest those
[0:41] <Sonny_Jim> poutine isn't as nice as every says it is btw
[0:41] <Sonny_Jim> It's just chips and gravy
[0:42] <poutine> Sonny_Jim, Yeah, well you're kind of a jack ass yourself
[0:42] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[0:42] <poutine> I'm sorry that was uncalled for
[0:42] <shiftplusone> This.... is a strange conflict.
[0:42] <Sonny_Jim> Wasn't a personal attack, was talking about the foodstuffs
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[0:43] <Eren97> Meh
[0:43] <shiftplusone> To be fair, chips are great, gravy is great.... put them together and you get something greater.
[0:43] <Eren97> My external hdd sounds like crying, :(
[0:43] <shiftplusone> time to get all the important stuff off it
[0:44] <Eren97> Naa
[0:44] <Eren97> It's underpowered
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[0:44] <Eren97> I wonder if....
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[0:51] <evil_dan2wik> Eren97, my step dad thought his HDD was under powered, and then he found out that it wasn't under powered, there was corrosion on the board under the HDD.
[0:52] <Eren97> evil_dan2wik: this isn't the first time it happens tho
[0:52] <Eren97> Anyway.. I expected that you'd say he connected 230V to it :(
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[0:52] <Eren97> Or whatever you use there
[0:52] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> I was wondering if 'if wonder if' would be the last thing we heard from you because that was the idea you had just then
[0:53] <evil_dan2wik> also, our grid is meant to be 230v but we get 255v here.
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[0:53] <shiftplusone> *"i wonder if"
[0:53] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, aren't you an Aussie? Should be 240V, no?
[0:54] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, recently it was changed to 230v
[0:54] <plugwash> I know UK is 230V +10% -6%
[0:54] <evil_dan2wik> Or so they say anyway.
[0:54] <Eren97> Yet it's still over 240?
[0:54] <plugwash> so 255 is out of spec for us in the UK but only just
[0:55] <shiftplusone> hm... wikipedia says 230 as well... I wonder where I got 240 from
[0:55] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, it used to be 240v
[0:56] <shiftplusone> yeah, but in the 1920s
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[0:56] <shiftplusone> I have an electrical engineering degree and part of that was studying the standard.... apparently, my memory sucks.
[0:57] <evil_dan2wik> They had a small news announcement that said "Australia will become a 230 volt grid system in the next few months. Your appliances should not be affected from this change."
[0:57] <shiftplusone> ah okay, nevermind the 1920s comment... wikipedia set me straight on that one too
[0:57] <shiftplusone> When was that announcement?
[0:58] <evil_dan2wik> it was about a year or so ago.
[0:58] <shiftplusone> hmm
[0:58] <evil_dan2wik> but I haven't actually seen the mains voltage go down since htne
[0:58] <evil_dan2wik> then*
[0:58] <evil_dan2wik> My house is still at 255v
[0:59] <evil_dan2wik> current mains reading is 54hz, 253v
[0:59] <Eren97> Halp
[0:59] <Eren97> blkid doesn't show my USB drive
[1:00] <Eren97> It's successfully mounted and I can cd to it
[1:00] <evil_dan2wik> USB drive or USB HDD
[1:00] <Eren97> Just a small flash drive
[1:01] <Eren97> USB drive
[1:01] <Eren97> May it be connected to the device not showing a name etc when booting of it either
[1:03] <Eren97> Guess I'll have to wait for a powered USB thingy then
[1:03] <Eren97> :(
[1:04] <shiftplusone> Well, nap time.... gotta start moving my staff to a new place tomorrow >=/
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[1:08] <Eren97> You know what would be cool? WOL for the rpi
[1:10] <plugwash> cool perhaps but there isn't a whole lot of point
[1:10] <plugwash> The "USB hub with ethernet" chip is one of the most power hungry components on the Pi anyway
[1:10] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[1:10] <evil_dan2wik> Turn that off
[1:13] <plugwash> the problem: how do you do wake on lan without an ethernet controller..........
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[1:15] <Eren97> Oh wait
[1:15] <Eren97> That.. Makes sense
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[1:16] <Eren97> Yay now I got my first rpi set up, configured and I now even know what I wanna do
[1:16] <Eren97> Now the problem.. I can't do it cuz I need a powered hub..
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[1:16] <Eren97> So I'll sleep, nn!
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[1:25] <DoctorBTC> I'm trying to disable a GPIO.add_event_detect() so that when my callback function completes, it won't find any queued events, but it isn't working... any suggestions?>
[1:26] <DoctorBTC> i've tried calling GPIO.remove_event_detect(SWITCH) at the bginning of the callback function, and then add it back at the end... but for some reason my app will just quit after the cb function if i do that.
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[1:27] * DoctorBTC crosses his fingers... someone might chime in with a suggestions
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[1:45] <steve_rox> for madness sake ive placed a ice cube on rpi cpu ,thats encased in plastic
[1:46] <ShorTie> i'd still watch out for condinsation
[1:47] <ShorTie> at what temp does the plastic melt ??
[1:47] <steve_rox> im checking every few seconds
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[1:47] <steve_rox> im using polymorph
[1:47] <steve_rox> since its not gonna get to 64'c its okay
[1:49] <ShorTie> i'd might consider flipping it over and put the pi on the icecube
[1:50] <steve_rox> down to 32'c now
[1:51] <ShorTie> did you get any electron coats ??
[1:52] <steve_rox> nah
[1:52] <steve_rox> this is only a short experment
[1:53] <ShorTie> hopefully not a short circuit experment
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[1:54] <steve_rox> heh im checking it every few mins for condensation
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[1:54] <steve_rox> 33'c
[1:55] <steve_rox> i need to make a better shape
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[1:58] <SpeedEvil> Coat your pi in some dielectric - perhaps butter, and then place in the freezer, in a pan of water.
[1:58] <steve_rox> yay
[1:59] <steve_rox> i discontinued the experement now
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[2:41] <steve_rox> wow dident expect these cells to last 5 hours uptime
[2:41] <steve_rox> alough rpi is practically idle
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[3:05] <CoJaBo> steve_rox: ?
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[3:06] <steve_rox> eh?
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[3:07] <steve_rox> CoJaBo: what?
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[3:09] <geekblogtv> o/
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[3:10] <joephilly> Hi! I just got my pi and I have it working with wifi while hooked up to my TV. Anyone know how I can set it up so when it boots up, it starts X windows and then opens a full screen browser into kiosk mode?
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[3:11] <geekblogtv> hmm... do you have xinit installed?
[3:11] <geekblogtv> i -kinda- know how to fix this, but im just winging it kinda like you
[3:11] <joephilly> I dont know. I just installed raspbien or whatever
[3:11] <joephilly> i'm somewhat fluent in linux
[3:12] <geekblogtv> ah ok then, would you mind opening a terminal please?
[3:12] <geekblogtv> make sure you are root
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[3:12] <joephilly> oh god, hold on. My macbook is acting like a turd
[3:13] <geekblogtv> are you using the macbook to ssh into your pi or something?
[3:13] <joephilly> ya
[3:13] <geekblogtv> thats interesting
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[3:14] <geekblogtv> have you opened a terminal yet?
[3:15] <joephilly> it was already opened but I can't switch screens on this stupid computer. This hasn't happened before. Gimme 2 seconds
[3:15] <joephilly> ok fixed now. Chrome was locking things up
[3:15] <joephilly> I've got a term
[3:15] <geekblogtv> are you root?
[3:16] <geekblogtv> username is root, password is raspbian
[3:16] <joephilly> I am "pi"
[3:16] <geekblogtv> please become root.
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[3:17] <joephilly> permission denied
[3:17] <joephilly> I can sudo though...
[3:17] <steve_rox> sudo denied
[3:18] <geekblogtv> su root please
[3:18] <Kirito> steve_rox is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[3:18] <geekblogtv> yeah whatever works
[3:18] <geekblogtv> either way, please run as root, or with sudo "raspi-config"
[3:18] <geekblogtv> it should be self-explanatory from there.
[3:19] <geekblogtv> you're fluent, so I won't insult your intelligence with the intricacies of the ncurses interface
[3:19] <joephilly> well I cant authenticate as root so I'll try raspi-config
[3:19] <geekblogtv> you must be root to use that, to my knowledge, but i could be wrong.
[3:19] <steve_rox> :-P
[3:19] <geekblogtv> if you cannot become root, then we may have bigger issues.
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[3:20] <geekblogtv> try using the password raspberry
[3:20] <joephilly> already tried
[3:20] <geekblogtv> and make sure you spell it right.
[3:20] <joephilly> the user is "pi"
[3:20] <joephilly> pw is "raspberry"
[3:20] <joephilly> thats the default
[3:20] <geekblogtv> ok joe, please type "su root"
[3:20] <geekblogtv> please, remain calm
[3:20] <geekblogtv> when you type su root, it will ask you for the admin password.
[3:20] <joephilly> yes, I am there
[3:20] <geekblogtv> unless you have changed it, it should be raspbian or raspberry
[3:21] <joephilly> neither of those work and i have not changed it
[3:21] <geekblogtv> what happens when you type sudo su
[3:21] <joephilly> I..... become root
[3:21] <geekblogtv> imagine that.
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[3:21] <geekblogtv> type passwd
[3:22] <geekblogtv> now type raspi-config
[3:22] <joephilly> ok
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[3:22] <geekblogtv> if you need further help, let's move this convo to my channel, so we wont burden the others with the chat logs.
[3:22] <joephilly> (I was able to run raspi-config as the pi user. Not sure if that matters)
[3:22] <Kirito> sudo configurations that do that by default seem comedic to me
[3:23] <geekblogtv> to each his own.
[3:23] <Kirito> Not like the Raspberry Pi is a device that needs intense security standards out of box
[3:23] <joephilly> so I'll just enable the Boot to Desktop?
[3:24] <geekblogtv> of course joe, I assumed you knew.
[3:24] <geekblogtv> I did not want to insult you.
[3:25] <geekblogtv> joe
[3:25] <joephilly> hi
[3:26] <geekblogtv> did it work?
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[3:26] <geekblogtv> ok we aren't done yet. do you have a beverage? this next part might take a while, and can be a little confusing./
[3:27] <joephilly> alright, it's sitting at the desktop now
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[3:27] <geekblogtv> great, you're welcome. ok, so what desktop are you running?
[3:27] <geekblogtv> xfce or lxde or what?
[3:27] <joephilly> I dont have a kb or mouse hooked up so let me examine it real quick
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[3:27] <geekblogtv> what are you using to connect to your pi?
[3:28] <geekblogtv> just apple terminal?
[3:28] <joephilly> yeah, through ssh
[3:28] <joephilly> but I have the pi hooked to the TV so I can see it
[3:28] <geekblogtv> ok, im guessing you don't have a vnc server enabled, so let's go ahead and use a keyboard
[3:28] <geekblogtv> you may or may not need a mouse.
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[3:29] <geekblogtv> joe
[3:29] <joephilly> I need to go steal a keyboard off of another computer
[3:29] <geekblogtv> hurry along
[3:29] <joephilly> one sec
[3:31] <joephilly> ready
[3:31] <geekblogtv> great
[3:31] <geekblogtv> what desktop are you running?
[3:31] <geekblogtv> lxde? xfce? fluxbox? openbox? xmonad?
[3:31] <geekblogtv> wait, you said you just got raspbian?
[3:31] <geekblogtv> so it is probably xfce or lxde
[3:32] <joephilly> is lightdm an option?
[3:32] <geekblogtv> that's your login manager, but you're on the right track
[3:33] <geekblogtv> login please.
[3:33] <joephilly> openbox?
[3:33] <geekblogtv> is that what it says?
[3:33] <geekblogtv> or are you asking me a question?
[3:33] <joephilly> thats what I see when I run "ps aux"
[3:33] <joephilly> the kb isn't doing anything. I'll need a mouse
[3:33] <geekblogtv> ok.
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[3:34] <joephilly> ok, yes its openbox
[3:34] <geekblogtv> that's odd.
[3:35] <geekblogtv> do you have a toolbar?
[3:35] <joephilly> it just has the bottom bar
[3:36] <geekblogtv> when you click that bottom bar, what do you see
[3:36] <geekblogtv> what's your terminal application called?
[3:36] <geekblogtv> is it lxterminal or xfce4-terminal?
[3:37] <joephilly> LX Terminal
[3:37] <joephilly> and I found something that says LXPanel 0.5.10
[3:37] <geekblogtv> you are probably running lxde.
[3:37] <geekblogtv> ok
[3:37] <joephilly> yeah, seems like it
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[3:38] <geekblogtv> what you will have to do is create an autostart file
[3:38] <geekblogtv> it will be username.desktop where username is whatever your username is.
[3:38] <steve_rox> wonder how to do that , autoexec.bat dont work haha
[3:39] <geekblogtv> the guide to create this file and make your startup stuff happen is right here http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession#Automatically_start_some_applications_on_login
[3:39] <geekblogtv> that is a guide specifically for LXDE. when you get stuck, or see a word you don't know, please do not come back here asking for help. google the terms you don't know, and fix it.
[3:40] <joephilly> k
[3:40] <geekblogtv> ok, you're welcome, it was a pleasure helping you. PM me if you need anything else.
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[3:50] <steve_rox> think i might give up battery testing this rpi and go sleep
[3:50] <steve_rox> uptime of 6 hours
[3:50] <steve_rox> i was expecting 2
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[4:00] <bnmorgan> what's the functional difference between just "cd" and "cd ~"
[4:01] <steve_rox> you tell me
[4:02] <bnmorgan> i don't SEE a difference.
[4:02] <bnmorgan> so i don't know
[4:02] <steve_rox> i assume its when a file name is shortened etc
[4:02] <steve_rox> the tab button is handy for autocomplete
[4:02] <bnmorgan> both take me back to....whatever it is without any other folder
[4:03] <bnmorgan> base folder
[4:03] <bnmorgan> drive
[4:03] <bnmorgan> whatever
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[4:05] <geekblogtv> bnmorgan: cd ~ means go to your home directory
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[4:05] <geekblogtv> cd means change directory, or if you dont type a directory after cd it just shows what directory you are in
[4:05] <bnmorgan> does cd witn no argument do the same thing?
[4:05] <geekblogtv> ~ is the same thing as /home/username
[4:05] <bnmorgan> ah ok
[4:05] <bnmorgan> ty
[4:06] <geekblogtv> cd with no argument shows where you are.
[4:06] <geekblogtv> no problem.
[4:06] <geekblogtv> if you need further help, i have my own channel.
[4:06] <bnmorgan> heh. more than you can imagine
[4:06] <geekblogtv> bunch of linux heads usually idling in my channel
[4:07] <geekblogtv> dont expect them to spoonfeed you all day, but they're good for a few lessons
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[4:52] <steve_rox> okay i giveup with the rpi batt test i wanna go sleep
[4:52] <steve_rox> final uptime 7 hours 18 mins
[4:53] <ZER0C001> evening all :)
[4:54] <steve_rox> dunno about that
[4:54] <steve_rox> almost 4am
[4:54] <ZER0C001> ah here in michigan its almost 11pm
[4:54] <steve_rox> ah :-)
[4:54] <ZER0C001> just figuring out my first RPi purchase
[4:54] <steve_rox> i really need a world clock thingy
[4:54] <ZER0C001> im pondering getting a starter kit with a bunch of GPIO stuff to play with
[4:55] <steve_rox> like what ?
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[4:56] <JohnnyBitcoin> Hello
[4:56] <ZER0C001> this kit steve_rox http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Ultimate-Starter-Components/dp/B00G1PNG54/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411527386&sr=8-1&keywords=Raspberry+Pi+Starter+kit
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[4:57] <steve_rox> thats a lot of stuff
[4:58] <steve_rox> not really my style to buy a kit thing tho
[4:58] <ZER0C001> yeah there is, I might just get a standard B+ with a case and add a kit later on
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[4:59] <JohnnyBitcoin> Should tgt lcd screens work right away after plugging them into the GPIO pins?
[4:59] <steve_rox> i just built stuff up gradually
[4:59] <steve_rox> i have no idea on that
[4:59] <JohnnyBitcoin> Or do they require drivers?
[4:59] <steve_rox> since i dont have one
[4:59] <steve_rox> im thinking it must have some interface driver thing
[5:00] <steve_rox> but cant be that complicated to make work
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[5:01] <JohnnyBitcoin> The lcd screen came with an unmarked CD-ROM, which I think have the instructions. I guess I'll have to dig through my closet and find an old optical reader. 😱
[5:02] <steve_rox> thats always fun
[5:02] <steve_rox> alough i still have cd drives
[5:02] <ZER0C001> heres the one im looking at getting http://r.ebay.com/sA71gH
[5:03] <nashi> JohnnyBitcoin, at least it wasnt on a floppy disk. :)
[5:04] <steve_rox> wonder when they will release their own lcd
[5:07] <steve_rox> you dont have a floppy disk drive? ;-)
[5:08] <ZER0C001> I have a floppy disk drive
[5:09] <steve_rox> i have one in my pc case but the motherboard does not support its ide connector anymore
[5:10] <steve_rox> as for a lcd solution i used a car reverseing display
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[5:10] <steve_rox> not sharpest quality but better than nothin
[5:10] <ZER0C001> well fuggit i may buy a pi
[5:11] <steve_rox> oh?
[5:11] <ZER0C001> yeah, just a basic model B to start
[5:11] <steve_rox> b+ ya mean
[5:11] <ZER0C001> nah just a regular B, there is some cheap on ebay for 30 bucks with a complete kit
[5:11] <steve_rox> do they sell the b+ for more then?
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[5:12] <ZER0C001> yeah in a kit its 60 bucks
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[5:12] <ZER0C001> with SD card, HDMI cable and stuff
[5:13] <steve_rox> must be the cheesy addons they offer
[5:13] <ZER0C001> yeah just a GPIO breakout board with LEDs and stuff like that
[5:14] <steve_rox> i like how the b+ can sence when it has low power
[5:14] <ZER0C001> thats neat
[5:14] <steve_rox> its video jack drives me nuts tho
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[5:14] <ZER0C001> oh that little headphone thingamagig
[5:14] <steve_rox> yeah
[5:14] <steve_rox> they combined audio and video into it
[5:14] <ZER0C001> yeah thats what wants me to go with a B instead of a B+
[5:15] <steve_rox> and cos theres no standard defined for that cable you can get ones that dont work
[5:15] <steve_rox> hence why i chopped mine up and hotwired it the right way
[5:15] <ZER0C001> right
[5:15] <steve_rox> left
[5:15] <ZER0C001> theres a model B with SD Card, case & HDMI Cable along with AC Adapter for 38 bucks shipped on ebay
[5:16] <steve_rox> sorry im tired and insane
[5:16] <steve_rox> spose its handy to have things comee with it
[5:16] <steve_rox> rather than just the board
[5:16] <ZER0C001> right
[5:16] <steve_rox> but most the stuff can be found around house anyways
[5:16] <steve_rox> if your lucky
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[5:20] <steve_rox> wonder if rpi b+ has a reset pins
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[5:29] <Xark> steve_rox: Nope. Wouldn't be very useful anyways (corrupt drives). See http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-68203/l/raspberry-pi-b-gpio-40-pin-block-pinout
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[5:29] <steve_rox> i havent had any issues yet
[5:29] <steve_rox> some cards seem to be able to cope better than others
[5:30] <Xark> steve_rox: Randomly resetting your Pi? It will eventually lead to issues.
[5:30] <Xark> Software issue, more than HW
[5:31] <steve_rox> backup battery source
[5:31] <steve_rox> so no reset
[5:31] <steve_rox> i zzzzz near
[5:31] <kenw2> quick question if I get two 512mb ram raspberry pi(s) could I use them together to get a 1024mb ram pi :0?
[5:32] <steve_rox> no
[5:32] <steve_rox> heh
[5:32] <kenw2> 'cause I saw that supercomputer made of them but I don't need a super computer Lol
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[5:33] <Xark> kenw2: You can use both at once, and this can make "some tasks" twice as fast. :)
[5:34] <kenw2> Most specificly a small minecraft server, I heard the 512 can hold like 2 people so what if I stacked multiple pi(s)
[5:34] <AlmtyBob> kenw2: in short, if you have to ask, no
[5:35] <kenw2> Man cause a little minecraft server for my friends and I would be super cook
[5:35] <kenw2> cool
[5:35] <AlmtyBob> don't have a dedicated computer to use? Like a standard home PC?
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[5:36] <kenw2> I do but its poop
[5:37] <kenw2> and my roomate turns it off before bed
[5:37] <Xark> kenw2: Unless it is from the early 90s, probably more powerful than a Raspberry Pi. :)
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[5:39] <kenw2> Xark yeah I know, just thought it'd be a cute little project
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[5:40] <kenw2> Alright well I think I embarrassed myself with stupid questions enough, I'm off to bed, thanks everyone!
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[5:41] <Xark> kenw2: No problem. Night.
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[6:36] <atmosx> Good morning
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[6:36] <atmosx> In order to use a webcam (usb) with Pi do I need to enable the camera module?
[6:37] <atmosx> and is it possible to use a usb camera with 'raspivid'?
[6:37] <atmosx> I'm getting this error: mmal: mmal_vc_component_create: failed to create component 'vc.ril.camera' (1:ENOMEM) while starting raspivid
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[8:17] <AlmtyBob> can C++ libraries be included in plain C code?
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[8:29] <Xark> AlmtyBob: Generally not.
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[8:31] <Xark> AlmtyBob: However, you can perhaps make your C files into .CPP (usually without significant changes other than file extension).
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[8:35] <AlmtyBob> oh, duh, very good point
[8:36] <AlmtyBob> It's been 20 years since I touched C and I'm doing a RPi project for work with a LED panel library and a serial reading library, both of which are C++
[8:36] <AlmtyBob> for some reason I just started writing C instead of C++
[8:36] <AlmtyBob> Need a good crash course in C++ I can knock out in 8 hours or so
[8:37] <AlmtyBob> I got reasonably far already but now I need to make a simple framebuffer and animation engine which is a bit over my head in C/C++ 8(
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[8:38] <AlmtyBob> (and by a bit I mean way over my head)
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[8:42] <AlmtyBob> bam! http://www.amazon.com/dp/020170353X/?tag=stackoverfl08-20
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[9:20] <nashi> apparently the cheapduinos I bought work with 3.3v supply, and so do my arduino SPI radios. they both seem to be 5v tolerant, too. so I need no converter if I run them all at 3.3v, anyone know any decent quality 110vac to 3.3vdc supercheap SMPS? 1A should be plenty for my tasks.
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[9:26] <Xark> nashi: Be aware at 3.3v AVR is only rated at ~12Mhz (not 16Mhz like normal 5v Arduino). However, it often "works"...
[9:26] <nashi> I can replace the crystal, I dont need full speed ahead.
[9:26] <nashi> thanks for the tip :)
[9:27] <Xark> nashi: Cool. Make sure to use a bootloader made for that clock (probably easy to find 8Mhz and perhaps 12Mhz arduino boot loaders).
[9:27] <nashi> yeah. ive got an adafruit FTDI friend and have used it before.
[9:27] * Xark is currently running his 5v Arduino Pro Mini at 3.3v@16Mhz without any issues (too lazy to hook up level converter for 3.3v SPI LCD). :)
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[9:28] <nashi> I actually found cheap duino micro clones for $2.50 each shipped and bought a 10 pack, and a 10 pack of those easy to use spi 2.4ghz radio modules for $10 for the pack too
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[9:28] <nashi> and an enc28j60 clone for $2
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[9:29] <funky1> hi all, i was wondering how sensible it is to use a (micro)SD card with read and write speeds above 25mb/s with a pi, how quickly can the pi read internally from the sd card and is there a difference in the speed between model b and b+ ?
[9:30] <nashi> if its class 10 the b and a cant use it at full speed. I dont know what speed class 10 is by numbers.
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[9:30] <nashi> I have no idea if the b+ can handle faster.
[9:30] <funky1> nashi, and b+ is there a difference?
[9:30] <funky1> ah ok, sure though?
[9:30] <nashi> no idea whatsoever on that one, sorry.
[9:31] <funky1> hm ok thanks, in case anyone else knows i'd appreciate the info :)
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[9:33] <nashi> anyone know of a project box that can fit a micro atx mobo that isnt ungodly expensive?
[9:33] <nashi> just the mobo
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[9:36] <Mr_Sheesh> cardboard's cheap, epoxy paint it & its fairly tough; IDK otherwise tho, sorry. Might see if you can brrow a metal break & bend your own?
[9:38] <niston> I dont think theres a difference
[9:39] <niston> its the same SoC, and the SD card interface is on the SoC, so...
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[9:41] <[Saint]> infused with the same ghosts of its fallen ARM variant forefathers.
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[10:29] <evil_dan2wik> is it possible to permanently damage a Pi just from the software loaded on it?
[10:30] <jacekowski> yes
[10:30] <jacekowski> well, not the software but /boot/config.txt file
[10:30] <jacekowski> you can seriously overvolt the SoC
[10:30] <jacekowski> or overheat it
[10:31] <shiftplusone> nuh it would probably stop booting before any actual damage occured
[10:31] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't put together the magic warranty void combination
[10:32] <atmosx> best way to run 2 'bash commands' at startup is rc.local?
[10:32] <atmosx> ffmpeg and a ruby script
[10:33] <shiftplusone> don't know if it's the best, but it's one of the ways
[10:33] <evil_dan2wik> Is there a way to run something 30 seconds after the Pi has finished booting?
[10:33] <atmosx> okay let's try
[10:34] <atmosx> evil_dan2wik: Yes, just make your script 'sleep 30'
[10:34] <atmosx> does upstart run on rpi?
[10:34] <evil_dan2wik> and where does the script go?
[10:35] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: set overvolt to maximum - even if it hangs, chip will still be slowly cooked by few volts
[10:35] <atmosx> evil_dan2wik: that's the hard part for me too :-)
[10:35] <AlmtyBob> how to confuse the hell out of yourself: #1 write a script named 'test' #2 type 'test' in the shell and wonder why the hell your script isn't running
[10:35] <atmosx> evil_dan2wik: I can write a ruby script and have it execute via rc.local and control everything from there, but upstart seems like a cleaner solution http://infovore.org/archives/2013/08/09/running-scripts-on-startup-with-your-raspberry-pi/
[10:36] <evil_dan2wik> jacekowski, is it possible to prevent overvolting too much?
[10:36] <shiftplusone> jacekowski, I expect it to turn off or change the settings before any damage occured.
[10:36] <jacekowski> evil_dan2wik: no
[10:36] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: how?
[10:36] <shiftplusone> if you could just kill it by overvolting you could do that all the time and claim warranty
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[10:36] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: no, overvolting voids the warranty
[10:37] <shiftplusone> no, no it doens't. Not overvolting alone.
[10:37] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: they have a special warranty void bit that is set by overvoting
[10:37] <jacekowski> overvolting
[10:37] <evil_dan2wik> it is overvolt and force turbo isn't it?
[10:37] <shiftplusone> jacekowski, I... work at rpf... I can see the source code. I know the warranty void condition. Sec.
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[10:37] <shiftplusone> (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[10:38] <shiftplusone> it's over_volt AND one of the three others
[10:38] <evil_dan2wik> current limit override?
[10:38] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, wait, what?
[10:38] <evil_dan2wik> How would change the temp limit?
[10:38] <evil_dan2wik> who*
[10:39] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, you. You can do that in config.txt
[10:39] <evil_dan2wik> I mean, who would change the temp limit.
[10:39] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: why does info on rpi.org seem to claim that over_voltage alone voids the warranty?
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[10:39] <shiftplusone> jacekowski, where?
[10:40] <niston> I remember hearing that too
[10:40] <niston> or rather, reading :P
[10:40] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, I don't understand what you're asking, sorry.
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[10:40] <niston> something like (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) || over_voltage>0
[10:40] <niston> but you're at the source right there, so...
[10:40] <shiftplusone> it's &&, not || on the last one.
[10:40] * niston is gonna make a blog post about it :p
[10:41] <shiftplusone> why would someone put brackets around a bunch of ORs and then or something else to it.
[10:41] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: it seems like the current limit override is set to 1 by default
[10:41] <shiftplusone> jacekowski, by default where?
[10:41] <jacekowski> shiftplusone: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Overclocking_options
[10:41] <niston> shiftplusone: IDK :)
[10:41] <jacekowski> current_limit_overrideThis is enabled by default.[7]
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[10:41] <shiftplusone> Thanks, I'll check.
[10:42] <shiftplusone> The source they site doesn't say that
[10:43] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, my current_limit_override is enabled, I haven't set that.
[10:43] <shiftplusone> in the config.txt?
[10:43] <shiftplusone> I guess that was added to the raspbian image. Something to look into I guess.
[10:44] <shiftplusone> What's the exact line? Sorry, I don't have raspbian here right now.
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[10:45] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, not in the config
[10:45] <evil_dan2wik> in the command
[10:45] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, using vcgencmd get_config int
[10:45] <shiftplusone> aand what's the value?
[10:45] <evil_dan2wik> 1
[10:46] <shiftplusone> aha
[10:46] <shiftplusone> Disables SMPS current limit protection when set to 0x5A000020
[10:46] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[10:46] <evil_dan2wik> oh ok
[10:46] <evil_dan2wik> so, current_limit_override isn't actually enabled?
[10:46] <shiftplusone> I'll confirm with Gordon when he gets back to his desk
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[10:47] <evil_dan2wik> ok
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[10:47] <evil_dan2wik> also, what does disable_pvt change?
[10:48] <shiftplusone> Setting this to 1 disables adjusting the refresh rate of RAM every 500ms; this action measures the RAM's temperature. Default value is 0.
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[10:48] <evil_dan2wik> Would the Pi run faster or slower? less stable or more stable?
[10:48] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
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[10:48] <evil_dan2wik> I am reading that
[10:48] <shiftplusone> that document is written by gordon, so I prefer it to the elinux article.
[10:48] <evil_dan2wik> but what does it actually affect.
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[10:48] <shiftplusone> ah, got ya
[10:49] <niston> ooooOOo
[10:49] <niston> display arrived!
[10:49] <evil_dan2wik> woo
[10:49] * niston rubs hands
[10:49] <evil_dan2wik> displays are fun
[10:50] <niston> http://www.matrixorbital.com/PC-Bay-Inserts-Serial-Graphic-PC-Bay-Inserts/c45_23/index.html
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[10:50] <niston> certainly looks and feels very well!
[10:51] <niston> also the keys have a nice tactlie response
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[10:52] <niston> Ordered sunday, and it arrived today - lol
[10:52] <evil_dan2wik> What are the benefits of the capacitor on the B?
[10:52] <evil_dan2wik> since I accidentally knocked it off.
[10:54] <shiftplusone> anyway, yeah, the current limit override is definitely not on
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[10:54] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, filters the input voltage and provides current for sudden load spikes.
[10:55] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, been working fine even without the cap.
[10:56] <shiftplusone> sure, you could take a lot of passives off and it would work fine.
[10:56] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[10:56] <evil_dan2wik> then why have them?
[10:56] <shiftplusone> because it won't work fine for everybody under all conditions it currently works under
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[10:59] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[10:59] <evil_dan2wik> I still don't know how to get the ram chip back on my first pi
[10:59] <shiftplusone> what happened?
[11:00] <NedScott> o.O
[11:00] <evil_dan2wik> the regulator heated up the board and de-soldered a lot of components including the ram
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[11:00] <shiftplusone> O_O
[11:00] <shiftplusone> any idea why that happened?
[11:00] <NedScott> if true, that would be amazing
[11:00] <NedScott> but I don't think the ram can fall off like that
[11:00] <evil_dan2wik> I got the other components back on and replaced the regulator, I don't know how to re-solder the ram
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[11:01] <NedScott> since it's built into the SoC itself
[11:01] <evil_dan2wik> It has been dropped prior.
[11:01] <NedScott> you must be speaking of something else
[11:01] <evil_dan2wik> NedScott, the ram is on top of the chip
[11:01] <shiftplusone> clean off the solder on the pads. Get some solder paste and dab it on the bga pads with a toothpick. put the ram on top and blast with heat.
[11:02] <shiftplusone> a reflow oven would help here, but if you're careful, a heat gun might work
[11:02] <NedScott> yeah, but.. jesus christ, what are you doing that could cause that
[11:02] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't expect much reliability from that pi though
[11:03] <NedScott> if it got that hot then I would assume things are actually damaged
[11:03] <evil_dan2wik> It happened over the course of 20 minutes.
[11:03] <evil_dan2wik> There was a short on the GPIO's 3.3v and the Pi was being powered through GPIO which I didn't know bypassed the poly fuse.
[11:04] <evil_dan2wik> the Pi was inside a plastic box full of sponge which melted.
[11:04] <NedScott> I will be shocked if it ever works again
[11:04] <evil_dan2wik> but I guess it acted like an oven with the Pi being the heat element.
[11:05] <evil_dan2wik> NedScott, I would be too, But I don't know how to get the ram back one
[11:05] <evil_dan2wik> on*
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[11:06] <NedScott> even if you could, I'm pretty sure there are parts in the SoC that are just cooked
[11:07] <shiftplusone> a good excuse to practice reflowing anyway
[11:07] <NedScott> yeah, I guess you have nothing to lose at that point
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[11:08] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
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[11:08] <evil_dan2wik> I only have practice with hand soldering though.
[11:08] <evil_dan2wik> Will a house oven do?
[11:11] <NedScott> it wouldn't be as regulated and evenly heated, but it's possible
[11:11] <NedScott> I've heard of people reflowing with a house oven
[11:11] <shiftplusone> if you don't mind the chance of carcinogens being released into it
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[11:13] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, would the Pi mind if a load of sausage gas was in the air?
[11:14] <shiftplusone> No, it will just make the pi tastier
[11:14] <evil_dan2wik> mmm
[11:14] <evil_dan2wik> Pi flavour
[11:17] <Davespice> morning
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[11:19] <evil_dan2wik> morning Davespice
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[11:33] <evil_dan2wik> I found out that the highest voltage in my laptop is 5v
[11:33] <evil_dan2wik> other than the battery connector.
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[11:37] <SpeedEvil> Unlikely
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[11:37] <SpeedEvil> The LCD backlight will be considerably higher than that.
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> Even if LED
[11:38] <evil_dan2wik> SpeedEvil, the connector to the LCD seems to still only be 5v
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[11:42] <evil_dan2wik> SpeedEvil, the voltage at the LEDs are only 3.7v
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> evil_dan2wik: But, in almost all cases, they use multiple LEDs in series
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> It dramatically simplifies the regulation to keep the currents constant
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[11:45] <evil_dan2wik> SpeedEvil, looks like 3 groups of LEDs but not in series
[11:46] <ShorTie> if it only need 5v, why would they feed in like 19v ??
[11:47] <evil_dan2wik> ShorTie, to charge the battery.
[11:47] <evil_dan2wik> My battery is only 10.8 volts.
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[11:56] <evil_dan2wik> SpeedEvil, just noticed, 6 groups of LEDs, 7 wires going into the lighting bar
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[12:11] <evil_dan2wik> what is "avoid_fix_ts" for config.txt?
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[12:13] <shiftplusone> video decoding magic
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[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> program_serial_random?
[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> and what is emmc_pll_core
[12:18] <shiftplusone> are you going down the whole list?
[12:19] <ch007m> Hi. Is there a way to enable ssh with openelec 4.0.x running in raspberry as my raspberry box is configured remoteless ?
[12:20] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, I am using the search function
[12:21] <shiftplusone> I mean do you intend to ask about every single option that's not documented?
[12:21] <shiftplusone> A lot of it is internal testing stuff and other things which don't need to be adjusted by the user
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[12:21] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, no, just some things that are being listed in "vcgencmd get_config int" that I didn't set.
[12:22] <evil_dan2wik> that I can't find info about.
[12:22] <shiftplusone> yup, you don't need to worry about those
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[12:22] <shiftplusone> and I think I've used up my 'bug Gordon with irrelevant questions' quota for today >.>
[12:22] <evil_dan2wik> ok, lol.
[12:27] <evil_dan2wik> force_pwm_open
[12:27] <evil_dan2wik> I have no idea why these are being listed if I don't need to know about them.
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[13:05] <evil_dan2wik> My pi just wrote "hI" through ssh randomly while it was idle.
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[13:08] <Armand> It's alive!! \o/
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[13:11] <evil_dan2wik> I have no idea why but I have a total of 13 Pis and they are all just sitting here connected to power and ethernet.
[13:11] <evil_dan2wik> Every now and then I connect to them all and update them
[13:12] <evil_dan2wik> I only use 2 of them
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[13:12] <Armand> Send me the other 11. ^_^
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[13:14] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[13:14] <evil_dan2wik> I just keep getting more because, why not.
[13:15] <evil_dan2wik> Eventually I might use them for something.
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[13:16] <evil_dan2wik> mainly because people ask me for things, pay me and then they don't want it anymore and I already bought the Pi
[13:17] <Bhaal> Ahhh, I have a B+ here, and it's making a really high pitched squeal like from a noisy capacitor... Is this the new power circuit?
[13:17] <shiftplusone> Bhaal, any peripherals attached?
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[13:18] <Bhaal> shiftplusone: I did have a servo control board attached, I thought it was that, now I have the camera attached...
[13:18] <Bhaal> I will check and see what the PSU is rated at
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[13:18] <shiftplusone> I'd check just the pi with nothing plugged in but power and then listen to see if it's coming from the power supply or the pi
[13:19] <Bhaal> Done
[13:20] <shiftplusone> and it's the pi?
[13:20] <Bhaal> Yep
[13:20] <shiftplusone> odd
[13:20] <Bhaal> But only when powered from the USB socket
[13:20] <MY123> Hi
[13:20] <shiftplusone> I have a few squeaky power supplies, but not the pi itself.
[13:20] <evil_dan2wik> Bhaal, any idea on the approximate location from the board?
[13:20] <Bhaal> If I power it from the GPIO then its not doing it...
[13:21] <evil_dan2wik> Bhaal, might be under powered USB ports
[13:21] <Bhaal> evil_dan2wik: It sounds like the little coils that are on there
[13:21] <Bhaal> evil_dan2wik: Nothing plugged into the USB ports
[13:22] <Bhaal> I don't even think I have the ports at 1.2A
[13:22] <Bhaal> And when I connect an mA meter inline with the USB connect its idling at 233mA
[13:24] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[13:24] <evil_dan2wik> mA of another power supply?
[13:25] <shiftplusone> Well, it would have to do with the switching frequency of the SMPS, wouldn't it?
[13:25] <shiftplusone> And... why would that depend on the power supply?
[13:25] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, because.
[13:26] <shiftplusone> ah, 'course.
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[13:27] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, sometimes the frequency of the USB's SMPS has a slight effect on noise
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[13:32] <Bhaal> Sooo, you are saying it's the PSU I am using?
[13:35] <evil_dan2wik> it could be
[13:35] <evil_dan2wik> But the Pi could also be faulty.
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[13:36] <Bhaal> I don't have another USB PSU, so cannot try that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the PSU, will locate something tomorrow
[13:36] <evil_dan2wik> Bhaal, but I tend to blame things other than the Pi
[13:36] <Bhaal> evil_dan2wik: You aren't the only one :) I am not blaming the Pi, just wondering why its doing it
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[13:38] <evil_dan2wik> Bhaal, my laptop charger squeals, if I put my finger on 1 of the coils, it stops, could be similar?
[13:38] <Bhaal> I have 5 of them, and this is presently my test bed Pi ... the other 4 and presently slaving away, 2 of them have been going non-stop for more than 12mths without a hitch
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[13:40] <shiftplusone> Bhaal, consulted the engineers. They think it's the noise from the power supply being modulated.
[13:41] <shiftplusone> Or the voltage is too high
[13:42] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[13:43] <evil_dan2wik> define "too high"
[13:43] <shiftplusone> That's a bit of a subjective call.
[13:43] <Bhaal> Nah voltage is spot on, but it is a cheap small PSU so its more than likely the cause
[13:43] <Bhaal> When I say spot on, I mean between 4.85 and 5
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[13:43] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, too high for the power supply of the Pi?
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[13:44] <Bhaal> I only saw it dip down to 4.85 once though, it settled on 5... though there may be some inaccuracy in the mA meter
[13:45] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, just passing on what the people who designed the board are saying. I haven't studied the datasheets or refreshed myself on power supplies.
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[13:45] <Bhaal> shiftplusone: I appreciate you taking the time to consult them, thank you
[13:45] <shiftplusone> no worries
[13:45] <Bhaal> I also appreciate their time of course :)
[13:48] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, it would be helpful to know the limits of the pi's supply.
[13:49] <Bhaal> I think its lower limit is 4.65 isn't it?
[13:49] <evil_dan2wik> It's lower limit is below that
[13:49] <evil_dan2wik> but 4.65 is when the light turns off
[13:49] <shiftplusone> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/115/PAM2306-336770.pdf
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[13:51] <shiftplusone> seems like you wouldn't want to go above 5.5V for the pi itself. But keep in mind you're also plugging usb devices in there as well
[13:51] <shiftplusone> which may and probably will misbehave at that voltage
[13:51] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't go much higher than 5.1v myself.
[13:52] <evil_dan2wik> probably won't misbehave.
[13:52] <evil_dan2wik> More like stop working.
[13:52] <evil_dan2wik> permanently
[13:53] <jacekowski> official spec says 5%
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[13:53] <jacekowski> so 5.25
[13:53] <evil_dan2wik> ok
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[13:53] <evil_dan2wik> also, that module has a power control. Is that wired up?
[13:53] <jacekowski> but thing is, USB spec requires devices to work with up to 10% deviation
[13:54] <jacekowski> so rpi is not compliant with USB spec
[13:54] <MY123> jacekowski: The B+ is compilant
[13:54] <evil_dan2wik> Pretty sure he is reading the B+ spec.
[13:54] <jacekowski> what will happen if i short V+ on usb port to D+ or D- or GND?
[13:55] <jacekowski> this is part of the spec as well
[13:55] <jacekowski> devices are not required to carry on operating, but are required not to fail
[13:55] <evil_dan2wik> but anyway, the Pi isn't even a USB device
[13:55] <evil_dan2wik> It simply draws it's power from a USB port.
[13:55] <jacekowski> evil_dan2wik: it's usb powered
[13:55] <evil_dan2wik> so?
[13:56] <evil_dan2wik> It has it's own requirements.
[13:56] <jacekowski> i would expect it to tolerate all voltages that can be present on a compliant usb port
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[13:56] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[13:56] <jacekowski> so 4.5 to 5.5
[13:57] <evil_dan2wik> Also, it seems that at 5.5v, that little chip on the B+ would generate around about the same heat as the regulator on the B
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> which would probably lead to a thermal shutdown
[14:01] <evil_dan2wik> so, no permanent damage, just won't operate properly.
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[14:03] <evil_dan2wik> that seems to be a lot of power being poured into that little chip at 5.5v
[14:04] <evil_dan2wik> a little warm at 5.4v but operating fine at 5.35v and lower.
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[14:33] <Davespice> apparently... according to some computers are simple, magical and powerful.
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[14:36] <evil_dan2wik> Davespice, depends on the computer.
[14:36] <evil_dan2wik> My computer is complicated, broken and slow.
[14:38] <MY123> Davespice: x86 is complicated by design
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[14:39] <Davespice> looks like I missed a commar
[14:39] <Davespice> ...apparently, according to some, computers are simple, magical and powerful.
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[14:40] <MY123> Davespice: when you are doing Verilog development, simple,...
[14:41] <evil_dan2wik> romania
[14:42] <MY123> It may be because I did do a 65536-bit CPU, but still,..;
[14:44] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, you wat?
[14:45] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: A small RISC CPU which computes 65536-bit integers
[14:46] <evil_dan2wik> ok...
[14:46] <evil_dan2wik> pretty big.
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[14:47] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: It ate 1000000 gates for lunch
[14:47] <MY123> (optimized for die space)
[14:48] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[14:48] <evil_dan2wik> did it work?
[14:48] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: Yes
[14:49] <MY123> (but was a pain to write)
[14:49] <evil_dan2wik> did you put it to use?
[14:50] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: No
[14:50] <MY123> (was just a PoC execise)
[14:51] <evil_dan2wik> MY123, get it made and sell it.
[14:52] <evil_dan2wik> add a timer to it
[14:53] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: money
[14:53] <evil_dan2wik> sell the plans?
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[14:54] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: Or release the design under the GPLv3
[14:54] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[14:55] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: Will get my school's copyright disclaimer before
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[14:56] <evil_dan2wik> k
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[15:58] <darkavenger> a
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[15:59] <utack> did someone test the wayland desktop on the pi?
[15:59] <utack> does it perform significantly better than x or is it just a demonstration of technology?
[16:01] <MY123> utack: Weston RPi backend or Weston KMS backend on the top of Eric Anholt's work?
[16:02] <utack> the project is called maynard. i don't have exact information on the tech it uses
[16:03] <MY123> utack: Maynard uses the RPi backend and software drawing
[16:03] <utack> ok
[16:03] <MY123> (but hw layers)
[16:03] <utack> so hardware specific?
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[16:03] <MY123> utack: Yes, but there is also a generic backend
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[16:14] <sla_erick> Hi everyone!
[16:15] <MY123> sla_erick: pinh
[16:15] <MY123> *Ping
[16:15] <sla_erick> Just sharing 2 deals that I consider to be a very good chance! First one is the RPi NoIR camera module here: http://www.sainsmart.com/raspberry-noir-pi-camera-module-board-5mp-webcam-video-1080p-720p.html
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[16:17] <sla_erick> and the second one is the best: 2 Samsung Pro 16gb microSDHC for $20 in ebay with coupon code CELLSAVE5 here: http://goo.gl/W1xU69
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[16:42] <ch007m> Question about omxplayer. The player supports to send the video stream to HDMI output or local. As I run omxplayer using the remote Desktop of raspberry in VNC player, I use the option -o local but the screen stays black. Is it a use casesupported ?
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[16:44] <pksato> -o is not for audio output?
[16:45] <chithead> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?&t=48427 says this doesn't work
[16:46] <pksato> play video over vnc is very very slow.
[16:47] <pksato> but omxplayer use hardware decoder, decoded video goes direct to gpu internal frame buffer.
[16:48] <ch007m> So no way without HDMI output
[16:48] <pksato> thar vnc server dont have access.
[16:50] <pksato> use mplayer and X11 output. but, it use cpu to decode, and CPU not have power to do it.
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[17:34] <Anasule> I have a Pi with three expansion boards and im struggeling to find a pre-made case for it due to the hight (the expansion boards sit on top of each other) any help welcome
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[17:38] <winlu> Anasule: build your own ^.^
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[17:39] <Anasule> winlu I was hoping i could just grab one for ease of use i cant belive there are no cases that support expansion boards?
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[17:44] <Anasule> Anyone know of a Pi case thats extra high and will allow for an serial and realtime clock expansion card?
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[17:45] <GeekShadow> hello
[17:46] <GeekShadow> is it possible with linux under raspberrypi to close contact between two GPIO pin ?
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[17:57] <shiftplusone> meaning?
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[17:57] <[Saint]> Use a parperclip.
[17:57] <[Saint]> Its OS-agnostic.
[17:57] <[Saint]> (note: Don't.)
[17:58] <`Nef> Yeah, don't use a parperclip
[17:58] <`Nef> Use a paperclip
[17:58] <GeekShadow> my question is can I use a linux command to tell GPIO 4 and 5 to connect each others
[17:58] <GeekShadow> without using an external relay
[17:59] <shiftplusone> Although I don't understand the question, I'm going to go with 'no'.
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[17:59] <GeekShadow> (I want to be able to open/close contact between two gpio)
[17:59] <shiftplusone> Connections are generally.... physical.
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[18:02] <GeekShadow> yeah but you can read gpio output
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[18:03] <frew> is there a trick to getting the sound to work over hdmi on raspbian?
[18:03] * frew is trying http://frequal.com/linux/RaspberryPiHdmiAudio.html
[18:03] <GeekShadow> frew: it's enabled on some distros
[18:03] <GeekShadow> like OpenElec
[18:03] <frew> raspbian is the debian distro
[18:04] <shiftplusone> GeekShadow, yes, you can read the current value of a pin (input or output), but I don't know how that lets you 'connect' one pin to another.... unless you just mean setting them to the same value.
[18:05] <shiftplusone> both low or both high == connected, both different !=connected? =S
[18:05] <shiftplusone> frew, nothing special needed.
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[18:06] <frew> shiftplusone: well apparently I need to at least follow those instructions right?
[18:06] <shiftplusone> no
[18:06] <GeekShadow> ok, and is it possible to block connection between a GPIO contact and the ground using command line ?
[18:06] <frew> huh
[18:06] <frew> well it's not working out of the box
[18:06] <shiftplusone> it will default to hdmi is hdmi is detected.
[18:06] <GeekShadow> for example disabling a gpio contact ?
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[18:06] <frew> hmm
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[18:07] <frew> I wonder if unplugging and replugging the hdmi confused it
[18:07] <shiftplusone> frew, in some cases, hdmi is not properly detected and sound doesn't work, then the hdmi_drive=2 option is needed
[18:07] <shiftplusone> and the others there are to select between hdmi and analog for alsa
[18:07] <frew> shiftplusone: ok, I'll try one thing at a time, starting with that if the reboot doesn't work
[18:07] <shiftplusone> frew, hang on. have you tried using omxplayer and telling it to use hdmi?
[18:08] <shiftplusone> that will talk almost directly to the hardware and will tell you... something.
[18:08] <quantum-mechanic> GeekShadow: your question and the follow up explanation somehow reminds me of this comic http://xkcd.com/644/
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[18:09] <shiftplusone> GeekShadow, if you set the pin to an input and disable the pull-down resistor, it will go into a high impedance state.
[18:09] <skyroveRR> quantum-mechanic: lol.
[18:09] <shiftplusone> but... I still haven't deciphered what you mean.
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[18:15] <quantum-mechanic> shiftplusone: are the pi's inputs 5 volts tolerant ?
[18:15] <shiftplusone> quantum-mechanic, depends on who you ask.
[18:16] <quantum-mechanic> huh ?
[18:16] <shiftplusone> The official answer is no, absolutely not.
[18:16] <quantum-mechanic> ah .. i see
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[18:16] <quantum-mechanic> and if i ask your non-foundation alter ego ?
[18:16] <quantum-mechanic> :P
[18:16] <quantum-mechanic> *non-foundation-employed
[18:17] <shiftplusone> still no, but.... let me find the page.
[18:17] <shiftplusone> http://tansi.info/rp/interfacing5v.html
[18:18] <shiftplusone> The general consensus is that this guys making too many assumptions.
[18:18] <shiftplusone> and you can read up on the controversy here http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63362
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[18:26] <atmosx> anyone used RPi in external environment?
[18:26] <atmosx> like a garden (open garden) ?
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> I know of one in a PiCE case, but I don't think they make them anymore
[18:27] <ShorTie> got 1 as an outdoor camera, but it is in a case
[18:28] <atmosx> ShorTie: what kind of case?
[18:28] <ShorTie> outdoor camera case
[18:29] <atmosx> I'm thinking of using a taper, don't know how they call it in English, it's a plastic enclosure used for food. Thing is I need to put in there a USB camera + WiFi adapter (big one) + AC Power
[18:29] <atmosx> and a usb hub...
[18:29] <atmosx> hmm
[18:30] <AlmtyBob> we call them "Tupperware" after the brand name usually
[18:30] <atmosx> I see, tupper not tapper heh cool.
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[18:30] <atmosx> hm
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[18:32] <ShorTie> here it is, http://www.monoprice.com/Product?seq=1&format=2&p_id=6686&CAWELAID=1329453728&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CNug1s2j-sACFcZQ7AodLz4AAQ
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[18:43] <Eren97> i need a powered usb hub :(
[18:43] <Eren97> how much do they cost?
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[18:56] <frew> shiftplusone: I have not, will look in a bit
[18:59] <Encrypt> Eren97, Well, not that much
[19:00] <Encrypt> Eren97, http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-Hi-Speed-4-Port-Powered-DUB-H4/dp/B00006B7DA
[19:00] <Encrypt> $17.36
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[19:03] <frew> shiftplusone: any tips on how to do that?
[19:09] <frew> shiftplusone: ok, I did omxplayer -o hdmi alarm.wav and nothing played
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[19:12] <Encrypt> mgottschlag, \o/
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[19:54] <Eren97> anyone that set up a dlna server to connect with a samsung smart tv?
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[19:57] <Kripton> Eren97, yes, but not on my Pi
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[19:57] <Eren97> Kripton: I'm trying it with a program on windows atm as my wifi dongle arrives friday
[19:57] <Eren97> but i'm quite confused
[19:58] <Eren97> and now I read on http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/learningresources/tv/mediasolution/dlna_usersguide.html
[19:58] <Eren97> that "Wireless connection does not support DLNA" uwot
[19:58] <Kripton> false
[19:58] <Kripton> the TV is connected via WiFi here
[19:58] <Kripton> I'm using miniDLNA as server
[19:58] <Eren97> mine too that's why
[19:59] <Eren97> hmm
[19:59] <Kripton> and it worked on my TV
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[19:59] <Eren97> how did u set up the smart tv Kripton
[19:59] <Kripton> dunno, just went to the smart hub, went to the side and then it displayed the videos and music stored on my NAS
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[20:01] <Eren97> Kripton: "the side" ?
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[20:02] <Kripton> Eren97, either the "left" or "right" button below the smart hub icon on the remote
[20:03] <Eren97> oh
[20:03] <Eren97> totally forgot firewall is on
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[20:09] <Eren97> Kripton: I'm trying out Serviio
[20:10] <Eren97> and having problems with it..
[20:11] <Eren97> cant find my tv in the list pff
[20:11] <Eren97> nor ANY other device -.-
[20:13] <frew> hm.
[20:13] <frew> still no luck with this sound stuff
[20:16] <Eren97> wtf
[20:16] <Eren97> playstation 3 works immediately
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[20:17] <Eren97> all serviio detects is playstation 3 and the serviio computer itself o.O
[20:17] <Kripton> Eren97, the TV won't show in any list
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[20:17] <Kripton> you install a DLNA server somewhere in the network so you can access your media to watch on the TV
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[20:23] <Eren97> oh
[20:23] <Eren97> Kripton: ik
[20:23] <Eren97> but turns out my tv was in the guest network
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[20:49] <Sonny_Jim> Meh
[20:50] <Sonny_Jim> Why do so many people use the Pi as the basis for MAME cabs
[20:50] <Sonny_Jim> It's a *terrible* platform for MAME
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[20:58] <winlu> people use the pi for a lot of stuff that it's not good for
[20:58] <winlu> but thats completly missing the point
[20:58] <Twist-> Sonny_Jim: The same reason people use it for most everything.. it's cheap, and has a large user community.
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> The "It's cheap" argument doesn't make much sense to me, consiering if you are building a cab you are going to be spending quite a bit of money
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[21:00] <Twist-> The user community is the next bit.. you can pretty much google "raspberry pi thing I want to do" and find a complete solution.
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so what happens when you type in "How to build a MAME cab"
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> There's a HUGE MAME cab builders community, most of whom will tell you that the Pi is terrible for it
[21:01] <Twist-> I feel like we're working at separate purposes here.
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> Don't get me wrong, I <3 my little Pi and I do ridiculous things on it
[21:02] <Sonny_Jim> But right tool for the right job andthat
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[21:02] <Twist-> I'm trying to explain why people would use the Pi, not why it's the best solution for a problem. (it's never the best solution for a problem)
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[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, I know the reason
[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> It's because people are idiots ;-)
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[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> Or to be a bit nicer about it, people tend to grab whatever they have lying around in true hacker style
[21:03] <Twist-> While you're trying to win an argument, or stroke your ego.
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[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> Err, what?
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> Less of the personal attacks please
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[21:10] <jacekowski> what's wrong with using pi for mame
[21:11] <jacekowski> it's one of the not many things that pi is fast enough for
[21:11] <ozzzy_> pis are pretty capable little computers
[21:11] <Sonny_Jim> jacekowski: The performance is pretty terrible for MAME
[21:11] <Sonny_Jim> You have to use an old version, because the newer versions are too slow
[21:11] <jacekowski> Sonny_Jim: is it?
[21:11] <ozzzy_> 'pretty terrible' is highly subjective
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> Even mid-80's games can't run at full speed
[21:12] <jacekowski> mame is only emulating 40 years old consoles
[21:12] <jacekowski> surely pi is capable of emulating that
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> There's no suck thing as a 40 year old console
[21:12] <Sonny_Jim> But in my experience, the Pi just isn't fast enough, even when overclocked, to run things like Raiden
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> SNES/NES/Megadrive and even PS1 games you can do
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> But due to the way MAME focusing on emulation accuracy over speed, you'll find it's not so great
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[21:14] <ozzzy_> close enough... Space Invaders was 1978
[21:14] <Sonny_Jim> That's not a console though, is it
[21:14] <linwiz> Sonny_Jim: if you have such beef with the pi, don't use it. quit trolling
[21:15] <ozzzy_> depends on the definition of 'console'.... video arcade games were 'consoles'
[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> ha
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[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> A console is a gaming device that plugs into a TV that has interchangable cartridges
[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure everyone can agree on that definition
[21:15] <ozzzy_> I had a console tv in the 70s
[21:16] <jacekowski> thing is, my old nokia n-gage could run mame
[21:16] <Sonny_Jim> "A video game console is a device that outputs a video signal to display a video game. The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to use for playing video games on a separate television in contrast to arcade machines, handheld game consoles, or home computers."
[21:16] <ozzzy_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console#First_generation
[21:17] <ozzzy_> 1960s
[21:17] <BCMM> Sonny_Jim: i do not agree on the definition, due to the "cartridges" bit.
[21:17] <Sonny_Jim> ozzzy_: That's first video game
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[21:17] <ozzzy_> hooked up to a
[21:17] <ozzzy_> TV
[21:17] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[21:17] <Sonny_Jim> Vector displays and oscilloscopes
[21:17] <ozzzy_> read further
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[21:17] <Sonny_Jim> You mean the Odysessy?
[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> Which was '72
[21:18] <ozzzy_> keep reading that paragraph
[21:18] <jacekowski> in my simple world, gaming hardware is divided into two groups, PC's and consoles
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[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> You know, you could just copy and past the bit you want me to red
[21:18] <ozzzy_> In the late 1960s while working for Sanders Associates he created a series of video game console designs. One of these designs, which gained the nickname of the "Brown Box", featured changeable game modes and was demonstrated to several TV manufactures ultimately leading to an agreement between Sanders Associates and Magnavox.
[21:18] <ozzzy_> sorry... I thought you were literate
[21:18] <ozzzy_> =)
[21:18] <jacekowski> so if it's not a PC it's a console
[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> Again with the personal attacks
[21:19] <ozzzy_> boo hoo
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[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> Can people not discuss things without calling the other person a moron?
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[21:19] <ozzzy_> I didn't call you a moron
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[21:19] <ozzzy_> anyway... 'console' in the 1960s
[21:19] <ozzzy_> [shrug]
[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> It wasn't sold
[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> It was just a prototype
[21:20] <Sonny_Jim> The first commerically available console is generally regarded to be the Magnavox
[21:20] <ozzzy_> now... in the 1980s if I had the power of a Pi I'd have thought I'd died and gone to heaven
[21:21] <jacekowski> my phone is 20x faster than pi
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[21:22] <jacekowski> just because it could have been fast 100 years ago, doesn't mean it's crap
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> 20x faster?
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[21:22] <jacekowski> it's not
[21:22] <jacekowski> Sonny_Jim: if only that
[21:23] <ozzzy_> my phone is nowhere near as fast as a pi
[21:23] <jacekowski> 2.26 Krait 400, quadcore
[21:23] <ozzzy_> matter of fact... my phone can't even tell me who is calling
[21:23] <ozzzy_> it's pretty dumb
[21:23] <jacekowski> much better architecture, much faster clock, and a lot more cores
[21:23] <ozzzy_> LOL
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[21:24] <jacekowski> and 4x more ram
[21:24] <jacekowski> or even 8
[21:24] <ozzzy_> hehe... gotta love the chinese
[21:24] <ozzzy_> AT&
[21:25] <jacekowski> nexus 5
[21:25] <jacekowski> korean
[21:25] <ozzzy_> AT&T phone... on the back it says 'custom made in china for AAT'
[21:25] <jacekowski> same thing as with apple, designed in cupertino, made in china
[21:25] <ozzzy_> bet they don't spell Apple wrong
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[21:42] <niston> those 25W 5VDC MeanWell switching power supplies...
[21:42] <niston> I didn't realize they have become so small!
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[21:43] <niston> ozzy_: My phone also lost its ability to tell the name by incoming caller ID
[21:43] <niston> its an s3, and I applied the latest software update >_<
[21:44] <niston> the update broke other things too, such as the alarm clock
[21:45] <ozzzy_> niston, mine never could
[21:45] <niston> so its kinda excused then
[21:45] <ozzzy_> no redial... no caller id... no speaker phone... no call forwarding
[21:45] <ozzzy_> and it's just great =)
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[22:10] <niston> hmm
[22:10] <Eren97> ozzzy_: maybe get a custom rom? :�
[22:10] <Eren97> :3
[22:10] <niston> if you have a monochrome lcd, with an rgb led backlight
[22:10] <niston> you could possibly turn this into a full color display
[22:11] <niston> by setting backlight color to green, then displaying the green channel on the monochrome display
[22:11] <niston> set to red, display red pixels, etc
[22:11] <ozzzy_> Eren97, I'd have to add a display and a place to put it
[22:11] <niston> damn
[22:11] <niston> x:
[22:11] <Eren97> I didnt read the log sry
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[22:23] <movic> hi guys i need help
[22:23] <movic> i'm fighting with my pi
[22:23] <movic> and i cant configure it as wifi hotspot
[22:23] <movic> one time it's working, another not
[22:24] <movic> I tried everything
[22:24] <movic> I'm stuck.
[22:26] <Sonny_Jim> What guide did you use?
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[22:27] <movic> Hmmm all of them :P
[22:28] <movic> http://raspberrypihq.com/how-to-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-router/
[22:28] <movic> also one from elinux.org
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[22:29] <Sonny_Jim> So what's the actual problem, as "doesn't work" isn' a very good bug report ;-)
[22:29] <movic> yup
[22:30] <movic> It's very wierd. Every time is different, one time when pi start everything works perfect
[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> So is it broken now?
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[22:31] <movic> yeah right now it's not working
[22:31] <movic> but aobut 10 minutes ago it work
[22:32] <movic> i also see the problem with starting isc-dhcp-server durning boot
[22:32] <Sonny_Jim> You didn't use dnsmasq?
[22:32] <movic> nope
[22:32] <Sonny_Jim> Did you setup iptables?
[22:32] <movic> yes
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[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so let's go back to "Doesn't work"
[22:34] <movic> I use isc-dhcp-server, I also tried udhcpd
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Have you got both running at the moment?
[22:34] <movic> Sonny_Jim: yes. for now the wifi is unsecured
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> ie Did you disable one before setting up the other?
[22:34] <movic> and when i connect to the wifi it's simething like that
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> (The dhcp servers, I mean)
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[22:35] <movic> http://pastie.org/9591894
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[22:36] <movic> Sonny_Jim: of course
[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> Err
[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> What's a bunch of C source got to do with hostapd?
[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait, missed off a 4
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[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> That looks fairly borked
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[22:38] <movic> and, it is not working right now
[22:39] <movic> iphone is trying to connect to wifi and with no success
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[22:40] <movic> and I have no idea how and why, about 30 minutes ago it worked, after pi reboot it stops working
[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried something else apart from your phone?
[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> Also are you using a powered USB hub?
[22:40] <movic> sure, pc and mac
[22:40] <movic> both the same
[22:40] <movic> yes, the same
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[22:50] <movic> Sonny_Jim: after 10 minutes iphone finally connected to wifi, but there is now internet connection
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[23:40] <steve1> Does anyone know if there are USB wifi adapters with two radios in them? I'm building a wifi provisioner and switching between AP mode and client mode isn't fast enough, so I think I need to either have two wifi adapters or a single wifi adapter with two radios; I prefer the latter if there is such a thing.
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> I've never heard of anything like that - which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, however 2 Wi-Fi adapters would be just as easy to get & install...
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[23:52] <movic> In lsusb i have ralink RT2870/RT3070 wireless adapter, does it mean that in hostapd.conf i should have driver=nl80211 or something else?
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