#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-10-03

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[0:40] <irc_smirk> ZEROC001 you around?
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[1:11] <steve_rox> running a rpi off a cap array :-)
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[1:15] <azizLIGHT> The battery pack I thought I could use as a UPS isn't capable of switching between ac and battery power immediately. Pi loses power during a ac power out, then is switched on a second later when battery power kicks in
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[1:15] <azizLIGHT> Sucks
[1:15] <steve_rox> yeah i use a diode to seperate the power sources
[1:16] <steve_rox> prevent feedback into the batteries
[1:16] <steve_rox> so when one fails the other instantly there
[1:16] <azizLIGHT> Diode? Feedback?
[1:16] <steve_rox> dc-dc conversion board helps
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[1:16] <azizLIGHT> Mmhmm I know some of these words
[1:16] <steve_rox> diode makes current flow in only one direction
[1:17] <steve_rox> use it to seprate the power sourcwes
[1:17] <steve_rox> im doing sommat crazy at moment
[1:17] <azizLIGHT> I did get a actual ups made for pi
[1:17] <steve_rox> powering rpi purely off caps
[1:18] <azizLIGHT> 6 aa batteries
[1:18] <azizLIGHT> Plugged in gpio port
[1:18] <steve_rox> ah i havent played with that
[1:18] <azizLIGHT> Runs ac through it and battery backup
[1:18] <azizLIGHT> Has a software to run scripts in case we have primary power or secondary power
[1:18] <azizLIGHT> Or if battery is low
[1:19] <azizLIGHT> It's by cw2, I bought it a while back and just hooked it up
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[1:19] <steve_rox> so it doesent catch power failure events?
[1:20] <azizLIGHT> It does, and switches to battery safely, keeping pi on
[1:21] <steve_rox> thats good then
[1:21] <azizLIGHT> This is a different set up from the first one I was talking about
[1:21] <azizLIGHT> The first one was just a random cellphone battery with microusb and a microusb input I thought I'd try before this second device
[1:22] <steve_rox> and what does not work?
[1:22] <azizLIGHT> The first battery pack
[1:22] <azizLIGHT> Second device works and is legit
[1:22] <steve_rox> how long you had the thing
[1:23] <azizLIGHT> I had the second device for a few months but only hooked it up yesterday
[1:23] <azizLIGHT> Setup the scripts and all and tested
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[1:23] <steve_rox> wonder if you can contact manufacturer for guidance
[1:23] <azizLIGHT> I got wall messages set up, planning for it to send emails
[1:23] <azizLIGHT> Nah I'm just sharing experience
[1:23] <azizLIGHT> Everything is working as expected
[1:24] <steve_rox> well my ups device is very differnt probly cheaper too
[1:24] <azizLIGHT> Only problem is that I can't use my pi case anymore
[1:24] <azizLIGHT> Doesn't fit with the additional board
[1:24] <azizLIGHT> My pi is naked now
[1:25] <steve_rox> maybe you should craft your own custom case
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[1:25] <azizLIGHT> Maybe I can sand down the places where there's a problem
[1:25] <steve_rox> be a bit rough
[1:26] <azizLIGHT> You think so?
[1:26] <azizLIGHT> Not possible?
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[1:26] <steve_rox> well it might be okay just leave a rough mess
[1:26] <steve_rox> estimate how much you need to remove
[1:26] <azizLIGHT> Yeah it's gonna scar hehe
[1:27] <steve_rox> my rpi's have a custom project box job
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[1:27] <azizLIGHT> Aesthetics will be a bit ruined because I need an additional slot above the power port for the board's own power input
[1:28] <azizLIGHT> steve_rox: do you have pic
[1:28] <steve_rox> somewhere
[1:28] <steve_rox> its a standard electronic box that i cut holes in for the rpi
[1:29] <steve_rox> one of them has a composite lcd display
[1:30] <azizLIGHT> Nice
[1:30] <steve_rox> converted to 5v too
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[1:45] <steve_rox> well i managed to power the rpi purely off caps for 45 mins
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[1:49] <azizLIGHT> So I looked at dimensions here and it doesn't look like I could fit all of it in my case even if I cut holes for the additional power input
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[1:50] <steve_rox> might have to do a full custom case then
[1:50] <azizLIGHT> There are pins coming out of the board vertically that are taller than the roof of the case
[1:50] <azizLIGHT> Yeah
[1:50] <azizLIGHT> How does one do a custom case
[1:51] <steve_rox> ya get a standard project box
[1:51] <steve_rox> that you know will fit
[1:51] <azizLIGHT> Have someone 3d print it?
[1:51] <steve_rox> then you go nuts carveing holes in it
[1:51] <azizLIGHT> Oh
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[1:54] <steve_rox> or if your real desperate you get one them transparent boxes they store food in
[1:56] <steve_rox> brb
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[2:27] <qrf> Hmm I don't think I currently have any PC capable of setting up the micro SD card
[2:27] <qrf> Other than the Pi itself, possibly
[2:27] <qrf> I suppose I could boot off a USB device instead
[2:28] <qrf> Oh, several sources claim it's not possible to boot without the SD card at all
[2:32] <steve_rox> nah sd first always
[2:33] <qrf> Ah, I suppose I could use the Pi as an SD writer by booting from a PC host somehow?
[2:33] <qrf> My mobile phone's USB cable appears to work for this
[2:33] <steve_rox> usb mini sd read writer
[2:33] <steve_rox> youd need direct acess to the disk
[2:33] <steve_rox> the phone may not allow it
[2:34] <qrf> You mean, it's the wrong cable?
[2:34] <qrf> I'm not using the phone
[2:34] <qrf> I'm just using the cable to connect the Pi to the PC
[2:34] <qrf> But I know that some USB cables omit wires to disable certain features
[2:34] <steve_rox> well the rpi does not do usb host
[2:35] <steve_rox> im starting to get confused
[2:35] <Sonny_Jim> Omit wires?
[2:35] <Sonny_Jim> There's 4, Power, ground, data + and data 0-
[2:35] <qrf> Hmm
[2:35] <Sonny_Jim> Err I mean D-
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[2:35] <Sonny_Jim> If you omit any of those, it's no longer a USB cable
[2:35] <qrf> Yeah that makes no sense
[2:36] <steve_rox> usb cable has like 4 wires
[2:36] <Sonny_Jim> You might find charger cables that ground D+ & D-
[2:36] <steve_rox> he needs a mini sd readerwriter
[2:36] <qrf> I thought I had read about it but it must have been something else then
[2:36] <qrf> Because somebody claimed certain storage classes only work with certain cables
[2:36] <Sonny_Jim> The microUSB slot doesn't have D+/D- connected
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[2:37] <Sonny_Jim> A lot of the time you'll get a SD reader bundled with the SD card
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[2:38] <Sonny_Jim> Well, you used to, anyway
[2:38] <steve_rox> i never did
[2:38] <steve_rox> at most it was a mini to full size sd card convertor
[2:39] <Hello71> sd reader that costs... 2x as much as the card? yeah right
[2:39] <Hello71> maybe more than 2x
[2:39] <steve_rox> kinda supitious if the card comes with a reader
[2:39] <steve_rox> its like they are implying the sd is cheap enough to give a reader with it
[2:39] <Sonny_Jim> I always seemed to get those cheapy microSD USB readers with mine
[2:40] <steve_rox> i was able to get one from the pound shop in the uk
[2:40] <steve_rox> seemed to work
[2:40] <Sonny_Jim> They seemed to break quite a lot, apparently they use the cheapest crystals they can find
[2:40] <steve_rox> both my cheap ones died when i used them on some usb host i dunno which but it was like a power surge killed them
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[2:41] <qrf> So is there an easy way to use a B+ as a micro SD writer without having a bootable SD card first?
[2:41] <steve_rox> so then i went and got a branded on as i thought maybe they would have some kinda protection on pcb aggenst that
[2:43] <Sonny_Jim> qrf: Unfortunately I think you are going to have find an SD writer from somewhere
[2:44] <qrf> Meh
[2:44] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, do you have a printer that happens to have one?
[2:44] <Sonny_Jim> Some laptops do
[2:44] <steve_rox> great convientlly my sd reader has vanished
[2:44] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: Isn't that always the case
[2:44] <steve_rox> maybes
[2:45] <qrf> I have an old Thinkpad SL510 here
[2:45] <qrf> But I think it has no reader
[2:45] <qrf> I have another notebook at another place, it has an SD reader
[2:45] <qrf> But I have no micro SD <-> SD adapter
[2:46] <qrf> Game over
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[2:51] <niston> hmm I realize clustering raspberries could be useful for failover scenarios in certain control applications?
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[2:52] <Caleo> is it just me or is the microsd in a bad spot on the B+?
[2:52] <Caleo> every time I go to disconnect the power cable or hdmi.. I hit the microsd card
[2:52] <niston> hah I liked the SD one
[2:53] <niston> sd is a *nice* format
[2:53] <qrf> Meh I'll get a USB SD reader on Saturday, stores closed on Friday
[2:53] <niston> i mean physically
[2:53] <Caleo> I've amassed a pretty good collection of microsd/sd readers/converters
[2:53] * niston thinks instead of making the cards smaller they should make their memory bigger
[2:54] <Caleo> microsd is great
[2:54] <Caleo> why stick with a big card like SD when modern electronics demand small components?
[2:54] <Caleo> I mean, have you held a SD card up to a Pi?
[2:55] <Caleo> they're like 1/6th the size of the entire PCB
[2:55] <Caleo> maybe 1/8th
[2:55] <niston> what size is microsd? thumbnail? I need tweezers to handle them :(
[2:55] <Caleo> are your fingers dildos?
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[2:55] <steve_rox> mini sd are rather annoying in size
[2:55] <niston> no just a small thumbnail :(
[2:55] <steve_rox> but least they dont poke out the side
[2:56] <niston> yup the not-pokeouttheside is advantageous, I agree
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[2:56] <steve_rox> gives a bit more space and less likely to get smashed
[2:56] <Caleo> do you mean micro-sd or mini-sd?
[2:56] <Caleo> because mini-sd was never very common
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[2:57] <steve_rox> errr hhmmm
[2:57] <steve_rox> whatever the b+ uses
[2:57] <Caleo> micro-sd
[2:57] <Caleo> I find it somewhat odd that among a channel full of tech geeks, there are some that don't know the denotations of SD cards >.>
[2:58] <steve_rox> they make so many versions
[2:58] <steve_rox> its like trying to keep up with the various usb and hdmi versions
[2:58] <Sonny_Jim> Caleo: TBH I nearly said mini rather than micro
[2:58] <Caleo> that said, I guess not everyone here is a computer science major or electrical engineer and are probably just here for help setting up a Pi media center
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[2:58] <Sonny_Jim> Caleo: Are you?
[2:58] <Caleo> the thing that throws me is USB connectors
[2:59] <steve_rox> i managed to power my rpi for 45 mins purely on caps
[2:59] <steve_rox> that was fun
[2:59] <Caleo> captain morgan?
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[3:00] <Caleo> that'd be quite the task
[3:00] <steve_rox> capacitor
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[3:00] <steve_rox> 350F super caps
[3:00] <Caleo> I really dislike USB connectors
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[3:00] <Caleo> they need to go the way of the "lightning" connectors
[3:01] <steve_rox> thats apple rubbish tho ent it?
[3:01] <Caleo> and just use a solid PCB
[3:01] <Caleo> the lightning connector? yes... the technically it's based on? no
[3:02] <steve_rox> we dont wanna be infected with apple junk
[3:02] <Caleo> of course, thunderbolt never really took off
[3:02] <qrf> USB connectors suck
[3:02] <qrf> Why are they asymmetrical :(
[3:03] <Caleo> steve_rox: that's a pretty ignorant thing to say given that apple's quality standards generally far exceed the rest of the market
[3:03] <steve_rox> they are usually propierty and would cause us much grief
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[3:03] <steve_rox> probly annoying licences to even use it
[3:04] <Caleo> why else would there be such a stink every time some flaw surfaces? Everyone wants to pick on the guys that get it right most of the time
[3:04] <Caleo> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Lightning_connector.jpg
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[3:04] <Caleo> it's good engineering. no parts to bend, no parts to flex, you can have a much stronger plug and host port
[3:05] <qrf> Does that one go in both ways, Caleo?
[3:05] <qrf> Or does it have to face a particular side?
[3:05] <Caleo> whereas micro usb uses a super thin PCB, thin metal walls
[3:05] <Caleo> they're reversable
[3:05] <Caleo> reversible
[3:06] <qrf> Nice
[3:06] <qrf> That's the thing that bothers me the most about USB
[3:07] <qrf> Having to figure the right way every single time
[3:07] <Bhaal> So the weirdest thing... I have this TSL2561 light sensor from adafruit ... I use the adafruit raspberry pi i2c python library along with a python script someone else put some significant thought into... The results were extremely erratic and I thought all hope was lost...
[3:07] <Bhaal> But then
[3:08] <steve_rox> did you win?
[3:08] <Bhaal> I found another far more basic script which just used python's SMBus library... Now I have something which works perfectly
[3:08] <steve_rox> well done :-)
[3:08] <Bhaal> only minor fluctuation...
[3:08] <steve_rox> now the camera project can continue eh?
[3:09] <Caleo> I need my adafruit T-breakout board before I can really start dicking around with my Pi
[3:09] <Bhaal> Which makes me wonder what is wrong with the adafruit i2c code...
[3:09] <Caleo> got it all set up and updated today and I'm pretty impressed
[3:09] <Caleo> though tbh with phones nowadays doing pretty much the same thing, I'm not entirely sure why I should be impressed
[3:09] <Caleo> ..that a $40 piece of hardware is running linux
[3:09] <Bhaal> steve_rox: Yeah, I had it working last night, it coped quite well with light changes in my office... But the light is very different to outdoors natural light...
[3:10] <Bhaal> steve_rox: Which is what it will need to be calibrated for...
[3:10] <steve_rox> i was not aware you could change the shutter exposure on rpicam
[3:10] <steve_rox> any cmds i tryed i dident have much sucess with
[3:11] <Caleo> I don't look forward to desoldering the GPIO pins if I ever want to make a permanent/hardy electronic configuration with my pi =x
[3:11] <Bhaal> steve_rox: check pm
[3:11] <steve_rox> woner if thats a pm or not , i cant rember how to use this client
[3:11] <steve_rox> wonder
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[3:11] <steve_rox> can you get long explosures?
[3:12] <steve_rox> cant rember how to switch to pm windows
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[3:13] <Bhaal> :/
[3:13] <Bhaal> What client you using?
[3:14] <steve_rox> good question
[3:14] <steve_rox> i got the url anyways dont worry
[3:15] <steve_rox> must be dark there
[3:15] <Bhaal> Just sent another one with a time lapse setup for you to view
[3:15] <Bhaal> steve_rox: That was last night...
[3:15] <Bhaal> Fri Oct 3 11:15:22 EST 2014
[3:15] <steve_rox> how long can you set the exposure time?
[3:15] <Bhaal> That's the time now...
[3:15] <Bhaal> steve_rox: 6 seconds
[3:15] <steve_rox> on my best camera i can set exposure to 60 seconds and it turns night into day
[3:16] <Bhaal> steve_rox: Ahuh ... did that camera cost you $35 ?
[3:16] <Bhaal> :)
[3:16] <steve_rox> not really :-P
[3:16] <steve_rox> i have two rpi cams , standard and IR
[3:17] <Caleo> long exposure is fun to play with
[3:17] <steve_rox> yeah
[3:17] <Caleo> I've taken some pretty nice ones on my DSLR
[3:17] <Bhaal> Apparently the spec for the omnivision camera which the Pi camera uses, the exposure time can go out to 20 seconds... but there are programmatic issues with it getting there...
[3:17] <steve_rox> havent done any photography in ages tho
[3:17] <steve_rox> ah right
[3:18] <steve_rox> i made my own wireless shutter release
[3:18] <steve_rox> got some amazing bird pics with that setup
[3:18] <steve_rox> birds with feathers :-P
[3:19] <Bhaal> haha
[3:19] <steve_rox> :-D
[3:19] <steve_rox> i could probly rig the rpi into a camera trigger
[3:20] <Bhaal> The last bird I tried to photograph as it was flying crashed into my phone while I was trying to take the photo...
[3:20] <steve_rox> maybe a time lapse shot
[3:20] <steve_rox> how did it manage that?
[3:20] <steve_rox> was it trying to make a call?
[3:20] <Bhaal> It's a clumsy flier and was aiming for my hand so it could see what I was holding...
[3:21] <steve_rox> ah :-P
[3:21] <steve_rox> you need a cam with a fast shutter for birds really
[3:21] <steve_rox> alough the faster you set it the darker it gets
[3:21] <steve_rox> so its a ballenceing act
[3:21] <Bhaal> My weather cameras capture birds in flight all the time, with no blur
[3:21] <steve_rox> the rpi ones?
[3:21] <Bhaal> The pi cameras are amazingly good quality for a $35 camera...
[3:22] <Bhaal> steve_rox: yes
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[3:22] <steve_rox> neat :-)
[3:22] <steve_rox> great we were able to get one without a ir filter for night vision
[3:24] <Bhaal> I have 3rd party noir board which takes the M12/CS lense mounts...
[3:24] <Bhaal> lens
[3:24] <steve_rox> whats that do?
[3:24] <Bhaal> And I have an M12 lens with a built in mechanical IR cut filter...
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[3:25] <Bhaal> Problem is, its a 1/3" lens and the Pi camera is a 1/4" sensor
[3:25] <Bhaal> It's very difficult to get focus
[3:26] <steve_rox> i wouldent wanna mess with the rpi fixed focus
[3:26] <Bhaal> Nah, me either...
[3:26] <steve_rox> since the lense is so small
[3:26] <steve_rox> turning it would be difficult
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[3:26] <steve_rox> i know some mad ppl were using ir to see thu clothing :-P
[3:27] <steve_rox> not sure if rpi can do that trick or not
[3:27] <Bhaal> I have a couple of cctv IP cameras which are dying, going to replace them with Pi cameras .. but will just get some mechanical IR filters which will sit over the foundation camera lens... Much easier...
[3:28] <steve_rox> outside cams?
[3:28] <Bhaal> steve_rox: Eh, you need just the right lighting conditions, along with the correct wavelength of IR light...
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[3:28] <Bhaal> steve_rox: Yeah
[3:29] <steve_rox> i used to use a IR lazor to eluminate things better than a IR led
[3:29] <steve_rox> would you place the rpi outside too with the cam?
[3:29] <Bhaal> steve_rox: My weathercams are built using the housing from old cctv IP cameras... They are sitting on a mast 7ft above the roof...
[3:30] <steve_rox> dident know if youd be using some camera extention wire
[3:32] <Bhaal> haha nope
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[3:32] <Bhaal> http://bha.al/gallery/index.php/Rasberry-Pi-Weather-Cam
[3:32] <steve_rox> i feel a bit uneasy about leaveing a rpi outside
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[3:33] <Bhaal> steve_rox: The original has been up there for over 12mths .. no problems at all...
[3:33] <steve_rox> looks like a neat design
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[3:33] <steve_rox> think if i did that i might dump a lil bag of silica gell into it
[3:33] <Bhaal> That's the old design
[3:33] <steve_rox> to eliminate condensation
[3:34] <Bhaal> steve_rox: I did consider that, but it's not had a problem with it...
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[3:34] <Caleo> <steve_rox> i feel a bit uneasy about leaveing a rpi outside
[3:34] <steve_rox> i guess it must be weatherproof
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[3:34] <Caleo> Try designing a bulletproof/waterproof casing to mount your raspberry pi on a baja (dune buggy) car
[3:34] <Bhaal> steve_rox: That's the old design... I've since rebuilt it anyway...
[3:35] <steve_rox> ah
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[3:35] <steve_rox> im sure i could manage waterproof but not bulletproof
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[3:35] <Bhaal> Caleo: Aside from replacing the glass front with plexi-glass those CCTV housings would come close... (not bullet proof of course)
[3:35] <steve_rox> not much of a call for bulletproof rpi's in the uk strangely
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[3:36] <Caleo> not literally bulletproof, but resilient enough to withstand the rigors of an offroad endurance race
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[3:36] <steve_rox> oh
[3:36] <Bhaal> steve_rox: The camera has been fine, its had rain up to about 300mm/hr dumped on it... no leaks...
[3:36] <steve_rox> i thought you were driveing it thu iraq or something
[3:36] <Caleo> Bhaal: Yeah, I like the design, I might have to borrow the concept
[3:36] <Caleo> it wouldn't take much to literally bulletproof it
[3:37] <Caleo> a few angled plates of AR500 steel and you're good
[3:37] <steve_rox> have to wrap it in kevlar or something
[3:37] <Caleo> kevlar isn't really good at withstanding bullets
[3:37] <Caleo> especially not repeated impacts
[3:37] <Bhaal> I was unlucky enough to fry a couple of my CCTV cameras one day... So had to come up with a use for the housings... And the Pi's fit well...
[3:38] <Bhaal> Caleo: but you can buy bare housings on aliexpress
[3:38] <steve_rox> spose its all very well not to have the bullet go in but the force of the projectile bounceing off the caseing could destroy somethin
[3:38] <steve_rox> not go in *
[3:38] <Caleo> Bhaal: We've got machines on campus and most of us are engineers :P
[3:38] <steve_rox> wonder how much a cctv box costs
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[3:39] <Caleo> yeah... even if it is "bulletproof", an impact without it being secured to something solid could very well break the pcb
[3:39] <Bhaal> Caleo: Ahhhhh, ok... Sounds like a huge waste of aluminium to machine that kind of cylinder from a solid block as opposed to casting it..?
[3:39] <Caleo> depends what kind of stock is used
[3:39] <Bhaal> steve_rox: $15-$20 or so depending on what you want
[3:40] <Caleo> I wouldn't be machining a cylinder from a solid block, no lol
[3:40] <steve_rox> i only support £
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[3:40] <irc_smirk> hello
[3:40] <Bhaal> steve_rox: halve what I said then
[3:40] <irc_smirk> node-red anyone?
[3:40] <Caleo> I think the hardest part will probably be waterproofing the in/out
[3:41] <irc_smirk> yo ZERO0C001 you there?
[3:41] <Caleo> followed by the shock proofing of the components
[3:41] <Caleo> I think I'm going to have to de-solder the GPIO header to that end
[3:41] <Bhaal> Caleo: Yeah, I wouldn't say my cable is totally waterproof, it's pretty tight, and my cameras point up at about 45 degrees... So water runs down the cable away from the housing...
[3:41] <steve_rox> i need a project box for this supercap module now
[3:42] <steve_rox> they are most scary
[3:42] <Caleo> ultimately, the solution is probably going to involve a lot of silicone caulking lol
[3:42] <Caleo> and Bhaal, is that some PoE? heh
[3:43] <Bhaal> Caleo: Hmmmm yeah, heatsinks with fans and then epoxy coat the rest of the thing?
[3:43] <Bhaal> Caleo: haha sure is
[3:43] <Caleo> no fans
[3:43] <Caleo> a fan is not going to hold up to that kind of abuse
[3:44] <Bhaal> Caleo: One of these: http://www.freetronics.com/collections/modules/products/poe-power-regulator-28v
[3:44] <steve_rox> brb mode
[3:44] <Caleo> damn your setup reminds me that I need a bunch of heatshrink
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[3:47] <Caleo> I haven't been very big on electronic components
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[3:47] <Caleo> but now I wonder if I have access to oscilloscopes on campus
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[3:53] <steve_rox> i need some kinda neat project box for this cap array
[3:53] <Caleo> hmm
[3:54] <steve_rox> cant believe i used a whole tube of solder putting it together
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[3:54] <steve_rox> most insane soldering task i think i ever did
[3:54] <Caleo> I could use inductive power transfer so I could keep the pi truly sealed
[3:54] <Caleo> but then that creates an issue of how I communicate the sensor data
[3:55] <steve_rox> that wont help me :-P
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[3:55] <steve_rox> wifi
[3:55] <Caleo> which would mean I'd have to have more exposed hardware
[3:55] <steve_rox> hard to say
[3:55] <irc_smirk> anyone know if nested flows are possible in node red. these sub routines get too big when hitting many services
[3:55] <steve_rox> the metal caseing would reflect wifi away
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[3:58] <jacekowski> Caleo: you can get waterproof sockets
[3:58] <jacekowski> or just contact pads
[3:58] <jacekowski> like they do on smart watches for charging
[3:59] <Caleo> yeah, I was kind of thinking of that for the sensors
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[4:15] <Bhaal> Caleo: Why not just keep it all in one of those fireproof boxes with a battery, record the journey and then retrieve the data afterwards?
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[4:15] <Bhaal> Caleo: If Adam and Jamie can do it I am sure you can :)
[4:16] <Caleo> we're doing realtime, and heat's a bit of a concern
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[4:16] <Bhaal> Well then, just use waterproof sockets...
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[4:17] <Bhaal> contact pads would not be waterproof unless they were inside the waterproof socket
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[4:39] <snuggyfoo> Is anyone willing to help me figure out how to allow motion to write to a NFS shared folder?
[4:39] <snuggyfoo> I have R/W access to the folder
[4:39] <snuggyfoo> When I attempt to chown I get Operation not permitted
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[4:40] <snuggyfoo> Do I need LDAP auth?
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[4:43] <jacekowski> nope
[4:43] <jacekowski> ldap has nothing to do with nfs
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[5:46] <funkster> anyone know if there is any significant performance different in a7 dual 1ghz vs a9 dual 1ghz?
[5:47] <funkster> bananapi vs udoo dual basically, need to step up my processing game a bit basically.
[5:52] <strukturalna> you have a udoo?
[5:52] <funkster> yes
[5:54] <strukturalna> is it nice?
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[5:55] <funkster> yeah its pretty sweet. solid device
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[7:52] <irc_smirk> hello
[7:52] <irc_smirk> is there a reason the PI memory is 512? with todays prices shouldnt it be at elast 1 gig and still be same price point
[7:53] <djazz> There isnt an 1GB ram chip that fits the cpu AFAIK
[7:54] <djazz> Samsung makes it i think
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[8:13] <SpicyShibe> My pi has 256
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[8:19] <Mr_Sheesh> The earlier model B's and the model A's all had 256, I have one of those. I need to figure out where that one's hiding, and buy 1-2 more Model B or B+'s
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[8:21] <SpicyShibe> Yeah I got mine when they were first released. One of the ones that has a hand soldered ethernet jack.
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[8:24] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't the RAM included on the SoC?
[8:25] <Mr_Sheesh> It's a "Cap" atop the CPU, yes
[8:25] <Mr_Sheesh> Bit hard to upgrade that I imagine, I won't be even trying to do that to any of mine LOL
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[8:28] <Sonny_Jim> I wonder if there's any chip art on it
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[8:31] <quantum-mechanic> its called PoP
[8:32] <quantum-mechanic> package on package
[8:32] <quantum-mechanic> *dont think dirty things
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[8:36] * Sonny_Jim mourns Slashdot
[8:36] <Sonny_Jim> Really isn't the site it used to be :-(
[8:37] <quantum-mechanic> i hate their colors
[8:37] <quantum-mechanic> a very "hospital" like feel on the site
[8:39] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, nowadays it's a busy article if it gets more than 100 comments
[8:40] <gordonDrogon> you talking about the raspberrypi.org site?
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[8:44] <Sonny_Jim> heh
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[8:45] <Sonny_Jim> Well, at least hackaday has switched from featuring a Arduino to a Pi in every other article
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> maybe we've reached a natural peak - although it's still slow going in UK schools, but they have 2 years to fully adopt the new curriculum (I think)
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[8:58] <Sonny_Jim> Trouble is, they don't want to teach anything that isn't directly used in business
[8:58] <Sonny_Jim> So it's all word processing, spreadsheets etc
[8:59] <Sonny_Jim> Which made it all the more hilarious when I was at school when we were using Acorn machines and everybody else was using IBM PC compatibles
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> that's changing. the new curriculim is programming.
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[9:00] <Sonny_Jim> BASIC?
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[9:58] <Boscop> [Saint]: i have a lot of dma.h files on my system (http://pastebin.com/0tzzzcn8 ). i guess the one the script needs is /root/linux-rpi-3.12.y/arch/arm/include/asm/mach/dma.h but how can i tell make to use it, when it builds it like make -C /lib/modules/3.12.26+/build M=/root/spi-bcm2708 modules -I/root/linux-rpi-3.12.y/arch/arm/include/asm it doesn't work
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[10:03] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, the wording is simply a text-based programming language. However most people are interpreting that as Python.
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[10:05] <Sonny_Jim> bah
[10:05] <Sonny_Jim> The one thing I dislike about python is the way it treats whitespace
[10:06] <Sonny_Jim> In my mind, whitespace is for humans, not compilers/interpreters
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[10:07] <gordonDrogon> mine too.
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> I did program in Occam may years back - that's the only other significant whitespace critical language I've used.
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> old FORTRAN was columnised too, but that was more to do with punch-card formatting than the language.
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[11:20] <niston> Occam? THe parallel thing?
[11:20] <niston> when transputers where fly?
[11:21] <niston> s/where/were
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[11:33] <elmargol> is mpeg2 decoding "untested"?
[11:33] <elmargol> I just enabled the codecs and I have green artefacts all over the screen
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> niston, yes - the parallel thing :)
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> niston, I did a lot of work with transputers - 20-25 years ago!
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> didn't do much occam on them though - mostly C and a little bit of assembler.
[11:35] <niston> hehe
[11:35] <niston> INMOS made these iirc
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> yup. I worked for a company next door, founded by folks who worked for inmos.
[11:35] <niston> heh
[11:41] <shiftplusone> elmargol, far from it. Of course it's tested.
[11:42] <shiftplusone> elmargol, bad power supplies, badly encoded files and issue with hdmi signal are things that can get in the way though. I'd start by trying to up the hdmi signal strength.
[11:42] <elmargol> shiftplusone, I have green artefacts in my dvb-t stream
[11:42] <elmargol> shiftplusone, mpeg4 works without any problems without the codecs
[11:42] <elmargol> I don't see how this can be a hdmi problem
[11:42] <niston> gordonDrogon: there was this tower case sized "supercomputer" full of inmos chips
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> niston, several different designs ... I worked for a company called Meiko. They nade the "Computing Surface" ...
[11:43] <niston> Meiko?
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[11:43] <niston> used to have a professional dishwashing machine of that brand haha
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> it's a japanese word - means "excellence". Also has another meaning depending on how you pronounce it. best not to google for it.
[11:44] <niston> ah http://www.computermuseum.org.uk/pictures/meiko.gif
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> that's the one.
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[11:46] <gordonDrogon> however inmos never kept up and the transputer just wasn't fast enough, so meiko moved to using them as smart communication chips to other processors - i860 then sparc, then they designed their own much faster comms chip...
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> so that big box could take 40 boards (codename M40) and each board could have had 4 transputers, each with 16MB of RAM each.
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[11:47] <niston> the idea behind it was great
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[11:48] <niston> the transputer I mean
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> then subsequent boards had 2 x i860's and 4 transputers with more memory, then they went to sparc based things.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> yes, the idea is good - not that scalable though. comms eventually becomes a bottleneck.
[11:49] <niston> the serial links werent all that fast were they?
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> 10Mb/sec. or was it 20 ...
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> think it was 10. max. cpu speed was 20Mhz.
[11:54] <niston> not much by todays standards
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> no...
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> but this was 25 years ago.
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> no MMU either, although I was part of a group that ported minix to the transputer at one point.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> we had a board with 8MB of RAM, Ethernet and SCSI.
[12:00] <niston> heh I think atari made a transputer based machine that ran minix (or a derivative)
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> unlikely to have been minix. but there was something else. struggling to remember though.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeliOS
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[12:08] <niston> that might just be it yeah
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[12:15] <shiftplusone> Ah, now I see why you like to use Mono.
[12:16] <shiftplusone> You're just nostalgic for the performance of devices in the old days.
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Who likes mono?
[12:16] <shiftplusone> niston
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[12:16] <niston> heh
[12:16] <niston> LOL
[12:16] <niston> yes
[12:16] <shiftplusone> you'll LOVE python.
[12:17] <niston> I did this with python: http://niston.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/pi-based-snmp-monitoring-probe/
[12:17] <shiftplusone> Hmm... wonder how mono compares to RTB when it comes to performance.
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> might be intersting to run some trivial benchmarks...
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> mono compiles to some interpreted byte-code though? that might give it the edge.
[12:18] <niston> intermediate language yes
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> RTB re-evaluates expressions every time (although they're tokenised once)
[12:19] <niston> athough I noticed start up times of mono on the berry are a bit... extended
[12:19] <niston> it wouldn't be too good for CGI scripts and the like
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I have a plan to implement a sort of cache to store evaluations once though. one day.
[12:19] <shiftplusone> I suppose it needs to load a few behemoth libraries for even the basic tasks.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I did a hack of RTB to run as a cgi... it worked!
[12:20] <niston> heh
[12:20] * niston did a lot of CGI in VB6
[12:20] <shiftplusone> O_o
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> although when I finish the sockets stuff you'll be able to write a web server in RTB (although it will be single threaded)
[12:20] <niston> VB6 console executables running as CGI in apache2 on windows
[12:20] <shiftplusone> VB6? You never had a chance. =(
[12:20] <niston> later built an entire web framework
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[12:21] <shiftplusone> (nuh I started with vb6 after a little bit of C fiddling)
[12:21] <niston> it was lightning fast
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[12:21] <niston> built a webbased network management system using it
[12:21] <niston> went to demonstrate to customers on site
[12:21] <niston> they were like "thats not running from the internet! thats local!"
[12:21] <niston> haha xD
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[12:22] <niston> used some mad inline ASM to provide for very very fast string building
[12:22] <shiftplusone> heh
[12:22] * niston still thinks VB6 was heavily underrated by "experts"
[12:23] <shiftplusone> I guess the choice of language doesn't really matter if you're willing to look where the cpu cycles actually go and are willing to optimize it (with asm, if you must).
[12:23] <niston> yeah
[12:24] <shiftplusone> Tried gambas on the pi?
[12:24] <niston> gambas? never heard of
[12:24] <shiftplusone> vb6-like thingymajig.
[12:25] <niston> dunno. the thing I really like about the NET framework/mono is CLR datatypes
[12:25] <shiftplusone> And there's lazarus/freepascal, which I think is worthwhile trying, but I haven't written pascal before. >.>
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[12:25] <niston> ugh pascal
[12:25] <niston> Some swiss dude invented that did you know?
[12:25] <niston> Niklaus Wirth
[12:26] <shiftplusone> All I know is that it was meant to be a programming language for teaching programming.
[12:26] <shiftplusone> By some uni professor, iirc.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> I did loads of pascal once upon a time.
[12:26] <niston> yes
[12:26] <niston> mad uni prof at ETH zurich
[12:26] <niston> he also built his own GUI workstation
[12:26] <niston> modelled after the xerox system
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a whole computer aided learning system in it for the Edinburgh hospital.
[12:26] <niston> it was called Lilith
[12:26] <niston> then he wrote an OS and a programming language for it, Oberon I think its called
[12:27] <niston> then he re-wrote the OS in oberon hehe
[12:27] <shiftplusone> interesting
[12:27] <niston> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith_%28computer%29
[12:28] <niston> "Unable to bring back one of the Alto systems to Europe, Wirth decided to build a new system from scratch between 1978 and 1980"
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[12:28] <niston> that's the spirit hahaha xD
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[12:35] <irgendwer4711> hi, I got a new Raspi Display, but it is only showing white color, not the console
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[12:37] <shiftplusone> irgendwer4711, what display?
[12:38] <irgendwer4711> Rpi from watterott
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> link?
[12:39] <shiftplusone> http://www.watterott.com/en/RPi-Display
[12:39] <irgendwer4711> spi display
[12:39] <shiftplusone> did you follow this? https://github.com/watterott/RPi-Display
[12:39] <irgendwer4711> I tried both ways
[12:40] <shiftplusone> better yet, https://github.com/watterott/RPi-Display/blob/master/docu/FBTFT-Install.md
[12:40] <irgendwer4711> I did this
[12:40] <shiftplusone> then contact the seller
[12:40] <n0vacane> anyone have long term stability at 1ghz+
[12:40] <irgendwer4711> kernel said: 'fb' Platform devices registered: bcm2708_fb id=-1 pdata? no
[12:41] <shiftplusone> n0vacane, yes
[12:41] <irgendwer4711> n0vacane: my other Pi is running with 1ghz for one year
[12:42] <irgendwer4711> shiftplusone: kernel found the display
[12:43] <n0vacane> ok, just wanted to make sure i wasnt gonna burn it out in 2 months
[12:44] <irgendwer4711> n0vacane: do you have a heat sink?
[12:44] <n0vacane> yes, copper ones
[12:44] * shiftplusone sighs
[12:44] <n0vacane> no active cooling though
[12:45] <shiftplusone> and racing stripes to make it go faster?
[12:45] <n0vacane> didnt seem to make any difference to temps
[12:45] <irgendwer4711> lol
[12:45] <niston> :>
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[12:45] <n0vacane> i monitored vcgencmd measure_temp before and after the heatsink install playing the same game and it was almost identical results
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[12:46] <shiftplusone> yes, heatsinks are useless
[12:46] <irgendwer4711> sure?
[12:47] <shiftplusone> If you're lucky, you can get a degree or two difference. But not only are they not effective, they're also not necessary.
[12:47] <n0vacane> i have no idea why they didnt make any difference
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[12:48] <shiftplusone> because it's sitting on top of the RAM, not the actual SoC
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[12:48] <shiftplusone> and you need airflow for heatsinks
[12:48] <shiftplusone> and proper thermal coupling
[12:48] <irgendwer4711> shiftplusone: you think design of chip is bad for heat sink?
[12:48] <n0vacane> i see what you mean
[12:48] <irgendwer4711> I think the heat sink has more surface
[12:48] <shiftplusone> No, the chip is designed to NOT need heatsinks. How many people put heatsinks on their phones?
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[12:49] <n0vacane> oh well, the heatsinks were less than 1USD anyway
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[12:49] <n0vacane> i just dont wanna burn out my new pi
[12:49] <n0vacane> hehe
[12:49] <irgendwer4711> I do not know what heat does to chips, but bad for capacitors
[12:50] <shiftplusone> n0vacane, you couldn't if you tried.
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[12:50] <shiftplusone> Unless you REALLY tried and knew what you were doing. You might need an oven, but the sd card would fail before the SoC was damaged.
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[12:51] <n0vacane> ok, sorry for not rtfm but do you know what temp it clocks down at?
[12:51] <shiftplusone> 85 IIRC.
[12:51] <n0vacane> oh wow
[12:51] <n0vacane> i have alot of breathing room then
[12:51] <n0vacane> thx for info
[12:51] <shiftplusone> definitely. Even 85 is nothing to panic about.
[12:52] <shiftplusone> I'd be concerned and wondering why the hell it's that high, but I wouldn't fear that it would damage the pi.
[12:54] <niston> 85 cus teh nsa is minin teh dogecoin on yu0r cpu!
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[12:55] <n0vacane> lol
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[12:57] <irgendwer4711> n0vacane: the clock speed is dynamically
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[14:09] <qrf> Do you think I could use an old Android phone of mine as a micro SD card writer?
[14:09] <qrf> I'm not sure how it exposes the card
[14:09] <qrf> Some guides directly use adb for this purpose
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[14:10] <qrf> I'll try it with the plain /dev/sd* I get in Linux by connecting the phone first
[14:10] <shiftplusone> Maybe, but you may as well splurge and buy a $1 reader.
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[14:10] <qrf> National holiday
[14:10] <qrf> So, can't
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[14:28] <skyroveRR> Hello, I bought a TRRS connector, but the rings are confusing like hell. I've got this connector http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/invinciblegod/TRRSConnector.png instead of this connector http://cdn.head-fi.org/6/6c/6cd67fe8_vbattach18477.jpg so I simply don't know which one is the ring and which one is the tip. I know which one is the sleeve, but the tip that I've got has the rings [the internal
[14:28] <skyroveRR> rings to hold the wires] of different lengths, so which is the one where the grounding fits? The longest or the shortest?
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[14:30] <Hily> You can test it with a multimeter
[14:30] <Hily> or even an LED some wires and a small battery
[14:31] <pksato> skyroveRR: end are reversed order. cable 1 2 3 4 , pin 4 3 2 1
[14:31] <skyroveRR> Oh! I got a more accurate picture online, but it's half confusing http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/invinciblegod/TRRSConnector3-1.png
[14:32] <skyroveRR> I've got that exact same connector with the same rings.
[14:32] <skyroveRR> So umm... if I'm guessing it right, the sleeve is the video and "Ring 2" mentioned in there is ground for real? Or is the pic a bit misleading?
[14:33] <skyroveRR> May someone kindly check the pic and tell me, please? :)
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[14:34] <KKlouzal> I looked but I have no idea what I'm looking at ^.^
[14:35] <pksato> sleeve is video (or mic on phones)
[14:35] <skyroveRR> KKlouzal: it's a TRRS connector.
[14:35] <skyroveRR> pksato: that's for sure. I'm confused as to where's ground.
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[14:36] <Sonny_Jim> Ground is usually the ring furthest away from the tip
[14:36] <Sonny_Jim> ie The sleeve
[14:37] <skyroveRR> Umm
[14:37] <skyroveRR> Sonny_Jim: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/invinciblegod/TRRSConnector3-1.png as in this one?
[14:37] <Sonny_Jim> Tip, Ring, Ring, Sleeve :-)
[14:38] <skyroveRR> The length is varying in my connector...
[14:38] <Sonny_Jim> Explain further
[14:38] <skyroveRR> May you check the link I gave you?
[14:38] <pksato> for B+, second ring is gnd, and sleeve is video.
[14:39] <skyroveRR> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/invinciblegod/TRRSConnector3-1.png
[14:39] <Sonny_Jim> I've looked, it says the sleeve is ground
[14:39] <skyroveRR> No, it says the sleeve is mic.
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[14:39] <Sonny_Jim> On that pic, yes
[14:39] <skyroveRR> And "Ring 2" is ground.
[14:39] <skyroveRR> So, is that correct?
[14:39] <Sonny_Jim> What are you trying to do?
[14:39] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
[14:40] <skyroveRR> To connect the wires of course.
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> To connect what to what?
[14:40] <skyroveRR> Sonny_Jim: pi to TV.
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> right
[14:40] <Sonny_Jim> Look at the link pksato has posted
[14:40] <skyroveRR> Already did.
[14:41] <Sonny_Jim> Seems pretty simple
[14:41] <skyroveRR> Just wanted to know where gnd belongs, since my connector isn't shown on the link pksato gave.
[14:41] <Sonny_Jim> Sleeve is composite video, the ring next to sleeve is ground
[14:41] <shiftplusone> Well... memory barriers are fun. It turns out that even on a single core processor skipping a dtb(); will mess things up terribly =S
[14:41] <Sonny_Jim> So ring 3 is ground, to answer your question
[14:42] <skyroveRR> Right.
[14:42] <skyroveRR> Thank you.
[14:42] <Sonny_Jim> Err, I mean
[14:43] <Sonny_Jim> tip is left, next to tip is right
[14:43] <Sonny_Jim> The 3rd ring is ground
[14:45] <pksato> or confused on wires side?
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[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> What confused me was that it was pretty obvious which one was GND on that diagram
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[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> So I kept on thinking "Nah, I must have it wrong because this is so obvious"
[14:48] <Sonny_Jim> "I mean, why would they ask if it wasn't 3?"
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[14:57] <skyroveRR> I got the TRRS connections ok, but I'm unable to get any display on the TV, I set the gpu_mem to 128, sdtv_mode to 2 and sdtv_aspect to 1, but still no output..
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[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> Do you get the 'rainbow' square?
[15:03] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon, I'm just reading through: http://libwebsockets.org/trac/libwebsockets
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[15:04] <skyroveRR> Sonny_Jim: nope.
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> Then you didn't get the TRRS connections right
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> Do you have a multimeter?
[15:04] <skyroveRR> Yes.
[15:04] <pksato> skyroveRR: you have access to rpi? use tvservice to check what output is on use.
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[15:05] <skyroveRR> Sonny_Jim: I have a multimeter, what should I do?
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> Set it to continuity/diode function and double check the connections
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, looks interesting, I guess!
[15:07] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon, aye it's what would allow a C daemon to directly provide a web interface
[15:07] <skyroveRR> Sonny_Jim: I get a reading of 1102 and it varies.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not something I'm a fan of though, however I guess it has its uses.
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> skyroveRR: It should be 0
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> skyroveRR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRhBImNYITg
[15:09] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon, writing a server in Python now to replace the old one
[15:09] <Sonny_Jim> Actually ignore that video, it's terrible
[15:11] <pksato> on most multimeters, continuity/diode test beep if have continuity.
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[15:12] <Sonny_Jim> Why don't you just buy a cable?
[15:13] <skyroveRR> Uh my composite video pinouts are doubtful... does the video go to the sleeve and the gnd go to the tip?
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[15:14] <pksato> on RCA end? no. video is the center pin.
[15:14] <skyroveRR> Grrrr...
[15:14] <skyroveRR> Hence I wasn't getting an output!
[15:14] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, ground is nearly always the larger bit of the connector
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> On the B+ the connector is left audio, right audio, Gnd then video is the outermost ring.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> the "tip" or innermost connector is left audio.
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> They are talking about the RCA end
[15:16] <skyroveRR> YES!!!!!!
[15:16] <skyroveRR> BOOTING!
[15:16] <skyroveRR> BOOT IT!
[15:16] <skyroveRR> GETTING VIDEO!
[15:17] <skyroveRR> Thanks A LOT, GUYS, Thanks a LOT!
[15:17] <pksato> On some TVs, if invtered wires, get b/w inverted video.
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[15:18] <skyroveRR> Actually, I was quite bored to put it in a TV, I had a DVD player, so I just used that. And it has a huge screen :D
[15:18] <skyroveRR> 9.5" I believe.
[15:19] <skyroveRR> Can't believe I can see video on it. Unbelievable.
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[15:19] <skyroveRR> I get a login. But I lack a USB keyboard, so I shall buy it. :)
[15:19] <skyroveRR> I am using slackware ARM, btw.
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I don't think slackware supprot the hard fp ABI on the Pi ...
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[15:37] <Megaf_> Hi all
[15:37] <shiftplusone> hey
[15:38] <Megaf_> so, I have an empty sd card, a power supply, a lan cable, a laptop connected to the internet and able to share network over lan and a raspberry pi
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[15:38] <Megaf_> And I dont have a keyboard, mouse nor screen
[15:38] <Megaf_> now, what do I do!?
[15:38] <Megaf_> I'd like to run Raspbian
[15:39] <shiftplusone> install raspbian from the raw image. ssh is enabled by default
[15:43] <Megaf_> cool
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[15:45] <Megaf_> shiftplusone: is it enabled on the netinstall image too?
[15:45] <shiftplusone> which?
[15:46] <Megaf_> nevermind
[15:46] <Megaf_> http://raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[15:46] <Megaf_> raspbian-ua-netinst i
[15:46] <shiftplusone> yes
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[15:47] <qrf> Abusing an old Android phone as an SD reader to dd an Arch Linux image onto the micro SD card worked btw
[15:47] <qrf> The Pi booted, great success
[15:47] <shiftplusone> huzzah
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[15:49] <Megaf_> I think my ISP is blocking torrent =/
[15:51] <Megaf_> ok, utorrent managed to get peers using DHT
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[16:22] <Boscop> shiftplusone: i tried to build spi-bcm2708 on my pi but i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/B1kk6p8q
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[16:23] <shiftplusone> eh? isn't it included? where did you get the source for it from?
[16:23] <Boscop> shiftplusone: i have a lot of dma.h files on my system (http://pastebin.com/0tzzzcn8 ). i guess the one the script needs is /root/linux-rpi-3.12.y/arch/arm/include/asm/mach/dma.h but how can i tell make to use it, when it builds it like make -C /lib/modules/3.12.26+/build M=/root/spi-bcm2708 modules -I/root/linux-rpi-3.12.y/arch/arm/include/asm it doesn't work
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[16:26] <shiftplusone> and no, the file it wants is linux/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/include/mach. You won't need to do anything special to specify it though. Just go through everything you've done so far.
[16:27] <Boscop> shiftplusone: but make fails
[16:27] <shiftplusone> which is why I am asking for more information
[16:27] <Boscop> that's all i've done
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[16:27] <Boscop> git clone, tried make, it failed
[16:28] <shiftplusone> You magically have a /root/spi-bcm2708 ?
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[16:28] <Boscop> no, git clone
[16:28] <shiftplusone> from?
[16:28] <Boscop> https://github.com/notro/spi-bcm2708
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[16:29] <shiftplusone> Any particular reason you're not using the module already in the kernel?
[16:29] <Boscop> which module?
[16:30] <Boscop> someone recommended this to me to be able to use DMA to control my led strip
[16:30] <Boscop> because DMA isn't possible in user mode
[16:30] <shiftplusone> K, I won't question it then. Sec, let me go over what you've got.
[16:31] <shiftplusone> what does uname -a say?
[16:31] <Boscop> Linux pi 3.12.26+ #702 PREEMPT Wed Aug 6 17:43:49 BST 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[16:32] <shiftplusone> where did /lib/modules/3.12.26+/build come from? I didn't know there was a package that provided it
[16:32] <shiftplusone> it sounds like the .config there might be invalid. Could you pastebin it?
[16:33] <Boscop> /lib/modules/3.12.26+/build -> /root/linux-rpi-3.12.y
[16:33] <Boscop> i downloaded it
[16:33] <Boscop> when i had to build my wifi driver
[16:33] <shiftplusone> aha
[16:34] <Boscop> # nano /lib/modules/3.12.26+/build/.config
[16:34] <Boscop> Segmentation fault
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[16:34] <shiftplusone> try cat
[16:34] <shiftplusone> (though the segfault on nano is concerning)
[16:34] <Boscop> cat works
[16:35] <shiftplusone> pastebin the output
[16:35] <Boscop> https://clbin.com/JLMlR
[16:35] <shiftplusone> thanks
[16:35] <shiftplusone> doesn't look right to me
[16:35] <Boscop> which part
[16:35] <shiftplusone> all of it
[16:36] <shiftplusone> let me double check though
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[16:36] <shiftplusone> nope, doesn't look right to me =S
[16:36] <Boscop> nano seems to segfault on any file
[16:37] <Boscop> shiftplusone: what should i change?
[16:37] <shiftplusone> try zcat /proc/config.gz > /lib/modules/3.12.26+/build/.config
[16:37] <Boscop> i don't know why nano segfaults, or why i get illegal instructions on apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.com/ZLnskyj0
[16:37] <_inky_> Hi, I'm hoping someone could give me a hand setting up write permissions for my usb! I'm running retroarch, roms are stored on usb drive, they run fine but save states won't work because I don't have permission to write to the usb. I followed instructions to sudo nano /etc/usbmount/usbmount.cfg and make FS_MOUNTOPTIONS="-fstype=vfat,flush,gid=plugdev,dmask=0007,fmask=0117" the instructions then say to enter "group pi" to check gro
[16:37] <_inky_> All I get is "-bash: group: command not found"
[16:38] <shiftplusone> Boscop, looks fairly borked to me.
[16:38] <Boscop> the .config was auto generated
[16:38] <shiftplusone> from?
[16:38] <Boscop> dunno
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[16:38] <Boscop> what should i do?
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[16:39] <shiftplusone> I haven't run into the issue you're having and would need to poke around there myself to track it down. For now, I'd just use the stock .config from the official kernel.
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[16:39] <Boscop> where is it?
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[16:40] <shiftplusone> assuming you're running the stock kernel, zcat /proc/config.gz
[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> _inky_: That's because there isn't a group command
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[16:40] <Boscop> shiftplusone: that outputs a config. so i should overwrite the old one?
[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> You probably want to use chown or edit /etc/groups
[16:41] <shiftplusone> Boscop, yes
[16:41] <shiftplusone> _inky_, they meant 'groups'
[16:42] <Sonny_Jim> shiftplusone: Ah yeah
[16:42] <Boscop> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.com/nVikiFQF
[16:43] <shiftplusone> Did you mess around with your apt sources?
[16:43] <_inky_> Ahh yes, I see! Cheers guys, just did a reboot and states are saving :)
[16:43] <Boscop> no
[16:43] <shiftplusone> for whatever reason, you seem to have some bad binaries on your system
[16:44] <shiftplusone> did you try installing a .deb file for another platform or something?
[16:44] <Boscop> no
[16:44] <shiftplusone> The short version is that you've done something and I think only you know what that is.
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[16:44] <Boscop> i didn't do anything
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[16:44] <Boscop> how can i fix it?
[16:45] <shiftplusone> reinstall raspbian
[16:45] <Boscop> nto again
[16:46] <Boscop> shiftplusone: maybe the sd card is damaged?
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[16:46] <shiftplusone> I don't think you'd be seeing 'illegal instruction' errors
[16:46] <shiftplusone> That normally happens when people try to install debian armhf packages or something similar
[16:49] <Boscop> last time i used the netinstaller
[16:49] <Boscop> i had to build my wifi driver but it didn't work
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[17:01] <Boscop> shiftplusone: i ran "shutdown -rF now" to check the sd card for errors but now i can't connect with ssh again
[17:01] <Boscop> how long does the check usually need?
[17:02] <shiftplusone> depends on the card speed and size, I guess.
[17:02] <Boscop> shiftplusone: 4gb, class 4 ?
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[17:06] <Boscop> shiftplusone: how long would i take?
[17:06] <shiftplusone> Haven't timed, Boscop.
[17:06] <Hello71> wait for it to stop blinking
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[17:07] <Boscop> Hello71: which LED?
[17:07] <Boscop> only LNK is blinking
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[17:07] <Boscop> the others are on
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[17:07] <Boscop> i need to backup the files before reinstalling raspbian
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[17:59] <Gadgetoid> i2c-0 go byebye?
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[18:01] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid, there's an override to re-enable it.
[18:02] <Gadgetoid> shiftplusone, oh? We're having trouble flashing hats, since the flash script relies on it
[18:02] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=87715&p=617893
[18:02] <shiftplusone> Aye, the intern who wrote the script was supposed to add a check to the script which would point you in the right direction, but I guess he hasn't
[18:03] <Gadgetoid> Ahh! Thank you, you've been super helpful in response to my vague cry for help
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[18:04] <shiftplusone> Well, I'm the one who took i2c-0 away from you so... >.>
[18:04] <Gadgetoid> Damn you, DAAAMN YOUUU!!!
[18:04] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:05] <Gadgetoid> And, also, awesome that I can ask you about it here :D
[18:05] <Gadgetoid> Since trawling git didn't help!
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[18:06] <shiftplusone> Yeah, someone should really mention this in documentation somewhere >.>
[18:06] <shiftplusone> (nobody likes doing documentation, but I'll get around to it)
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[18:10] <skyroveRR> gordonDrogon: it does, a guy was kind enough to compile packages for it for days and drop them to his public FTP server. :)
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[18:15] <Gadgetoid> shiftplusone, we're used to no documentation :D
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[18:26] <Gadgetoid> Hooomeward bound!
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[18:46] <skyroveRR> Umm how long can I make an RCA composite video cable between the pi and a display device [monitor or a TV] without affecting the video quality? Preferable in meters :)
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[18:48] <Boscop> how can i recover files from the pi when it's not booting anymore?
[18:48] <Boscop> but it's still recognized in windows
[18:50] <KKlouzal> what are the individual little chips on sticks of ram called?
[18:50] <skyroveRR> Boscop: if you have a linux operating system, you can mount the partitions to directories and then recover the data from there.
[18:51] <qrf> I'm impressed, this USB condenser microphone is working with ALSA out of the box with Arch Linux on this B+, same with this terrible Huawei HSPA USB stick
[18:51] <qrf> Linux is magic
[18:52] <qrf> It's nearly too easy
[18:52] <ShorTie> atleast a couple of meters i would think, how long of a cable do you need ?
[18:52] <skyroveRR> About 3 meters..
[18:52] <skyroveRR> Will it affect the quality?
[18:53] <ShorTie> i would think that be ok
[18:53] <ShorTie> use a good quality cale and it should be ok
[18:53] <ShorTie> cable*
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[19:13] <skyroveRR> ShorTie: successfully made the cable. :) A more "permanent cable".
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[19:14] <ShorTie> Cool
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[19:47] <ESphynx> hey guys... so should I plug keyboard/mouse on a hub or can I plug these directly on the Pi?
[19:47] <neutrino> should be fine on the pi
[19:48] <ESphynx> So just for things like a HD or something?
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[19:49] <shiftplusone> b or b+?
[19:49] <ESphynx> B+
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[19:49] <shiftplusone> even a HDD should be fine without a hub, as long as your power supply is correct and you add the correct magic to config.txt
[19:50] <ESphynx> ah yeah
[19:50] <ESphynx> I did buy a powered hub though :P
[19:50] <kilbith> hi there, I'm new on Raspbian, all is great but I'm wondering if it's possible to change the keys on Minecraft-Pi ?
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[20:56] <RahulK123> Hi
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[20:56] <RahulK123> Can someone help me with a problem? Im new to Pi I have no monitor so I only have a macbook pro with a terminal.
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[20:57] <RahulK123> I found my LAN IP for the RPi, and now I tried ssh pi@xxx.xxx.xxx(the ip)
[20:57] <RahulK123> and IT came with ssh: connect to host myip port 22: Connection refused
[20:57] <shiftplusone> what's on the sd card?
[20:57] <RahulK123> Noobs
[20:58] <RahulK123> Preinstalled.
[20:58] <shiftplusone> So, nothing. Noobs is an installer/recovery system. Not a full OS.
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[20:59] <shiftplusone> I'd recommend installing raspbian from the img, or if you're on the more advanced side, use the netinstaller (raspbian-ua-netinst)
[20:59] <RahulK123> This is what I have: Kingston Micro SD Card pre-loaded with "NOOB" (Includes Raspbian -- OpenELEC -- Arch -- RaspBMC-- RISC OS -- Pidora)
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[21:00] <RahulK123> @siftplusone, so you're sure it has no OS on?
[21:00] <shiftplusone> yes sir
[21:00] <RahulK123> How can you tell
[21:00] <RahulK123> Kingston Micro SD Card pre-loaded with "NOOB" (Includes Raspbian -- OpenELEC -- Arch -- RaspBMC-- RISC OS -- Pidora) is what the product said anyways.
[21:01] <RahulK123> Can I get all this done without a monitor or microsd slot in my laptop?
[21:01] <shiftplusone> as I said, NOOBS is an installer for all of the operating systems you've listed. They're not pre-installed, they're just available for install.
[21:01] <shiftplusone> yes
[21:01] <shiftplusone> wait
[21:01] <shiftplusone> kind of
[21:01] <shiftplusone> tricky without an sd card reader
[21:01] <RahulK123> got one.
[21:01] <RahulK123> I think.
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[21:02] <RahulK123> Can you guide me through it?
[21:02] <RahulK123> I really need to learn this :D
[21:02] <RahulK123> But setup is a faff.
[21:02] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs#how-to-automatically-install-an-os
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[21:02] <shiftplusone> that's if you don't have an sd card reader
[21:03] <Boscop> shiftplusone: ok, i reinstalled raspbian. now i need to link something to /lib/modules/3.12.28+/build
[21:03] <Boscop> shiftplusone: and where is linux/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/include/mach ?
[21:03] <RahulK123> shift, that seems advance for me.
[21:03] <shiftplusone> Boscop, doesn't matter where it is, you don't need to worry about it. Just git clone the source repo
[21:03] <Boscop> of what?
[21:04] <shiftplusone> Boscop, raspberrypi/linux
[21:04] <RahulK123> siftpulsone got skype?
[21:04] <RahulK123> I can just share screen :D?
[21:04] <RahulK123> Would really help me out a lot!
[21:04] <shiftplusone> RahulK123, sorry, not up for that.
[21:04] <RahulK123> Tv?
[21:04] <RahulK123> Alright, no worries.
[21:04] <shiftplusone> do you have a card reader or not?
[21:04] <RahulK123> Yeah
[21:05] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/mac.md
[21:05] <Boscop> shiftplusone: fatal: Out of memory, calloc failed
[21:06] <shiftplusone> Boscop, I wouldn't do it on the pi. I'd cross-compile
[21:06] <Boscop> so how to tell spi-bcm2708 where the git repo is?
[21:07] <shiftplusone> ?
[21:07] <r3dsm0k3> Hey all, first timer here. I think Im facing the USB packet loss issue while connecting a web cam and the video becomes too patchy. any pointers here?
[21:08] <shiftplusone> it doesn't care about any git repo. You just need 3 things: linux kernel source, the spi module source and a cross-compiling toolchain.
[21:08] <shiftplusone> bbl... food.
[21:08] <Boscop> shiftplusone: which toolchain?
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[21:11] <r3dsm0k3> or is there an experimental firmware or something I could try?
[21:18] <taza> r3dsm0k3: Are you using a powered usb hub?
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[21:20] <r3dsm0k3> yes
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[21:22] <r3dsm0k3> looks like i have https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/19
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[21:24] <r3dsm0k3> to be precise http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29879
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[21:29] <shiftplusone> r3dsm0k3, not firmware, but you can play with the fiq masks.
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[21:29] <shiftplusone> but I wouldn't have much faith in usb webcams working anywhere near as well as the camera module
[21:30] <shiftplusone> Boscop, they have one in the tools repo
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[21:30] <r3dsm0k3> Thats such a bummer for me, I use Logitech C920 camera with h264 support.
[21:31] <Boscop> shiftplusone: i have to build it?
[21:32] <Boscop> ah no
[21:32] <Boscop> which one should i use of those 4?
[21:32] <shiftplusone> the linaro one
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[21:35] <r3dsm0k3> shiftplusone: what do you mean I have to play with? Please excuse me, Im doing my first ever hobby project with Pi
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[21:37] <shiftplusone> Nothing, it's a bit on the advanced side. I'd just chalk up the camera as not working and try a different approach. Only the guy who wrote the USB driver knows all the runes to try.
[21:38] <ESphynx> hey so by default... my home directory, is it on my microsd card?
[21:38] <sheikhaman> Hi everybody, here's a beginner o/
[21:39] <Boscop> shiftplusone: how do i tell make to use that one?
[21:39] <r3dsm0k3> sheikhaman: o/
[21:39] <Boscop> and to use the right dma.h
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[21:39] <Boscop> thanks for helping me btw
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[21:46] <shiftplusone> ESphynx, yeah.
[21:46] <shiftplusone> was afk, making tea.
[21:46] <shiftplusone> Boscop, what have you got so far... do you have 3 directories: linux, tools and bcm2708-spi (or whatever it's called)?
[21:47] <Boscop> yes
[21:47] <shiftplusone> cool, now copy that .config file we were talking about earlier to your pc (extracted from /proc/config.gz on the pi)
[21:47] <shiftplusone> into the linux directory
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[21:51] <Boscop> shiftplusone: done
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[21:51] <shiftplusone> k, sec.
[21:53] <shiftplusone> from the linux directory, try this and see if it compiles the kernel... CROSS_COMPILE="/home/boscop/somewhere/tools/arm-bcm2708/gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf-raspbian-x64/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-" ARCH=arm make
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[21:59] <Boscop> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.com/NGJkcaVw
[21:59] <Boscop> and then no more output
[21:59] <Boscop> seems to hang
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[22:01] <shiftplusone> seems like the .config might be from an older kernel
[22:01] <shiftplusone> press enter a few times
[22:01] <shiftplusone> better yet, ctrl-c, then run the command again, but with make oldconfig
[22:01] <Boscop> i used the latest raspbian wheezy image
[22:02] <Boscop> but the git repo is newer
[22:02] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[22:03] <Boscop> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.com/3PBG56ys
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[22:03] <shiftplusone> yeah, keep pressing enter until it gets to the end
[22:04] <Boscop> i just pressed enter once, then it said "configuration written to .config" and returned
[22:04] <shiftplusone> good
[22:04] <shiftplusone> now do the make
[22:05] <Boscop> without any environment variables?
[22:05] <Encrypt> Hello there o/
[22:05] <Encrypt> Do you know espow.com?
[22:05] <shiftplusone> with
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[22:06] <Boscop> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.com/wNftYY28
[22:07] <shiftplusone> haven't seen that one. try with one of the other toolchains
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[22:07] <Boscop> ah, my system isn't 64bit
[22:08] <shiftplusone> thought so
[22:08] <Boscop> should i undo some config?
[22:08] <shiftplusone> no
[22:08] <Boscop> seems to compile now
[22:08] <Boscop> so i have to reflash it again after it finished?
[22:08] <shiftplusone> nuh
[22:08] <Boscop> i just reflashed the latest raspbian image
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[22:09] <shiftplusone> this is just to make sure your env is set up for compiling the module. I think you already know what to do there.
[22:09] <Boscop> but why do i have to compile the kernel if i just need the module?
[22:10] <shiftplusone> use the same env vars and run make -C <path_to_kernel_src> M=$PWD from the module source dir
[22:10] <shiftplusone> you don't really need to compile the whole kernel
[22:10] <Boscop> ok
[22:10] <shiftplusone> but you do need to make sure the kernel source you're building against has the right config and is prepared for compiling modules
[22:10] <Boscop> yeah, i understand
[22:10] <shiftplusone> the surest way to do that is to just compile the kernel
[22:11] <shiftplusone> IIRC, there's something like make modules_prepare, but it isn't always enough
[22:12] <steve_rox> anything fun going on?
[22:12] <shiftplusone> I'm drinking tea... that's fun, right?
[22:12] <steve_rox> possibly
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[22:13] <Boscop> shiftplusone: thanks. it built: http://pastebin.com/Csv6aS7s now where do i put which files on the pi?
[22:13] <steve_rox> i shorted a paperclip over a super cap array :P
[22:13] <steve_rox> instantly melted
[22:13] <shiftplusone> heh
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[22:13] <steve_rox> it runs the rpi for 45 mins
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[22:14] <shiftplusone> Boscop, don't remember off the top of my head. Check what's in /lib/modules/kernel version/
[22:14] <shiftplusone> see if there's a 'misc'
[22:14] <shiftplusone> and put the .ko file there
[22:14] <shiftplusone> alternatively, just run insmod whatever.ko on the pi
[22:14] <steve_rox> sounds like a mortal combat file
[22:15] <shiftplusone> flawless victory
[22:15] <steve_rox> :-D
[22:15] <Boscop> there is only a kernel directory
[22:15] <shiftplusone> what's in there?
[22:15] <Boscop> arch/ crypto/ drivers/ fs/ lib/ net/ sound/
[22:16] <shiftplusone> drivers?
[22:16] <shiftplusone> what's there
[22:16] <Boscop> there's a misc directory
[22:16] <Boscop> which contains eeprom ti-st
[22:16] <shiftplusone> try shoving it in there for now
[22:16] <Boscop> just the .ko file?
[22:17] <shiftplusone> aye
[22:17] <shiftplusone> but I don't know if it will auto-load. I haven't gotten that far myself. I only compile and insmod.
[22:18] <Boscop> should i create a subfolder for it?
[22:18] <Boscop> like it is for the otehrs
[22:18] <shiftplusone> nuh, #yolo
[22:18] <Boscop> ok, i moved it there, now just reboot?
[22:19] <shiftplusone> don't have to... just sudo insmod path/to/.ko
[22:20] <Boscop> # insmod /lib/modules/3.12.28+/kernel/drivers/misc/spi-bcm2708.ko
[22:20] <Boscop> Error: could not insert module /lib/modules/3.12.28+/kernel/drivers/misc/spi-bcm2708.ko: Invalid module format
[22:20] <Boscop> wtf
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[22:20] <HoloPed> Hi all, is there a CS-mount version of the PI camera ? Or an adapter ?
[22:20] <shiftplusone> cs?
[22:20] <steve_rox> was wondering what that ment to
[22:21] <shiftplusone> Boscop, try rpi-update to make sure the kernel is the same version then reboot.
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[22:31] <Boscop> shiftplusone: i rebooted. the spi module doesn't show up in lsmod. so it's not auto loaded?
[22:31] <Boscop> or is it this:
[22:31] <Boscop> regmap_mmio 2818 1 snd_soc_bcm2708_i2s
[22:31] <Boscop> snd_soc_core 127849 1 snd_soc_bcm2708_i2s
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> no, it's not loaded
[22:39] <Werel> I have my pi running headless with auth key login. I made a seperate account I want to give access soley for sfpt purposes... is there an easy way ( a passwd or similar command with argument ) I can remove this new account's password, so the only way to log in is using the auth key?
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[22:39] <Werel> sftp*
[22:39] <shiftplusone> Boscop, does modprobe spi-bcm2708 work?
[22:40] <Werel> I created the account with the --disable-password flag, but then after changing settings, I gave it a password on purpose, now I'm trying to remove it.
[22:40] <Boscop> shiftplusone: what do you mean by "work"? it doesn't output anything
[22:40] <shiftplusone> and does it show up in lsmod afterwards?
[22:40] <Boscop> ah, lsmod now lists it
[22:40] <Boscop> Module Size Used by
[22:40] <Boscop> spi_bcm2708 4960 0
[22:41] <Jusii> Werel: edit /etc/shadow and replace password hash with *
[22:41] <Boscop> how to get it to auto load?
[22:41] <shiftplusone> hmm... but I guess we don't know which one it is
[22:41] <shiftplusone> whether it's the stock one or the one you built
[22:41] <Werel> Jusii, with just an asterisk?
[22:41] <Jusii> Werel: you'll figure it out easily after you open that file
[22:41] <Jusii> right
[22:41] <Werel> okay, thank you :)
[22:41] <Boscop> shiftplusone: isn't there a way to list the path too?
[22:41] <Boscop> shiftplusone: where is the builtin one?
[22:41] <shiftplusone> but to load it automatically.... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_modules#Loading
[22:42] <shiftplusone> idn... somewhere... I don't have a pi with me
[22:42] <Werel> Jusii, just curious, what's the ! I see for some other entries?
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[22:45] <Boscop> shiftplusone: if i move the ko file to another place and try to load the module, can i infer from the result if it had loaded my version now?
[22:45] <shiftplusone> no
[22:45] <shiftplusone> well... if you move the stock one, yeah, I guess.
[22:46] <Boscop> but won't they have different size?
[22:46] <shiftplusone> but this is venturing outside of what I have experience with.
[22:46] <shiftplusone> yeah, you'd think so.
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[22:47] <Boscop> shiftplusone: hm, same lsmod result. how can i figure out which version was loaded?
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[22:47] * shiftplusone shrugs
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[22:48] <RahulK123> Hi there!
[22:48] <RahulK123> Why is this happening?
[22:48] <RahulK123> rahuls-mbp:~ Rahul$ ssh -X pi@193.168.0.13 ssh: connect to host 193.168.0.13 port 22: Operation timed out
[22:48] <Jusii> Werel: locked account
[22:48] <Werel> Jusii, ahh.
[22:49] <RahulK123> Any ideas???
[22:49] <RahulK123> I've spent all day to try and set up my new pi.
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[22:49] <RahulK123> I don't have a HDMI compatible monitor.
[22:50] <winlu> RahulK123: wrong ip addr
[22:50] <HoloPed> Can the PI drive two camera boards ?
[22:50] <HoloPed> what would the be the capture rate, from two cameras, at 5mp ?
[22:50] <HoloPed> max capture rate ?
[22:50] <Werel> Jusii, do you have any experience with .. VirtFS? I'm basically looking for a way my ftp user 'ftpsecure' can log into sftp ( I've dont this already, it connects fine ) , but then only sees it's home directory, unable to back out. It already doesn't have any elevated privledges, not part of the soduers. I'll also be mirroring a folder so the user can modify files in a specific folder in their home dire
[22:50] <Werel> ctory, but that will actually be chaning the /var/www folder, but that's a later objective once I finish this user lockout stuff :P
[22:50] <Werel> or anyone*, for that matter :)
[22:51] <RahulK123> Winlu how? I went on 192.168.0.1 and it tells me: 5 192.168.0.13 = UNKNOWN
[22:51] <RahulK123> 5 is just the 5)th listed.
[22:51] <RahulK123> So how is this wrong IP?
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[22:53] <steve_rox> thats a hell of a ip assumeing this client can read that charicter
[22:53] <steve_rox> 192.168.0.13
[22:53] <steve_rox> send a ping to it
[22:53] <RahulK123> Pings fine.
[22:53] <RahulK123> Sec.
[22:54] <RahulK123> I keep getting something like:
[22:54] <RahulK123> 64 bytes from 192.168.0.13: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=3.013 ms
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[22:54] <steve_rox> so its there
[22:54] <steve_rox> what you trying to aceess on it?
[22:54] <RahulK123> I've just got my first pi
[22:54] <RahulK123> I havent got a monitor.
[22:54] <RahulK123> So I want to SSH to set it up.
[22:55] <RahulK123> I got it with NOOBS preinstalled.
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[22:55] <steve_rox> errr
[22:55] <steve_rox> gotta rember that cmd
[22:55] <steve_rox> rasp-config or something
[22:55] <RahulK123> Im on a mac.
[22:55] <RahulK123> Macbook pro.
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[22:56] <RahulK123> I followed this guide: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/19928 the Pre-Install how to part.
[22:56] <steve_rox> sudo raspi-config
[22:56] <steve_rox> that will get you to a menus with common desired operations
[22:56] <steve_rox> ssh is in the options
[22:56] <RahulK123> sudo: raspi-config: command not found
[22:56] <RahulK123> Im on a macbook.
[22:56] <steve_rox> thats errelivent
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[22:56] <steve_rox> login on the rpi locally
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[22:57] <steve_rox> get to its command prompt
[22:57] <steve_rox> and use that cmd
[22:57] <RahulK123> Steve, that's what i'm trying to do.
[22:57] <RahulK123> I can't get on the Pi..
[22:57] <steve_rox> it boots dont it?
[22:57] <Werel> steve_rox, I've found that when I try to run raspi-config through terminal, I can get to the blue screen where I can select my options, but after I select an option, it just hangs on a blank screen for a couple moments then dumps me back into shell.
[22:57] <RahulK123> ssh pi@192.168.0.13
[22:57] <RahulK123> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.13 port 22: Connection refused
[22:57] <steve_rox> you have to change the settings locally
[22:57] <steve_rox> give the rpi a display
[22:57] <steve_rox> and a keyboard
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[22:57] <RahulK123> Are you talking to me :D?
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[22:58] <steve_rox> yes?
[22:58] <RahulK123> Or Werel.
[22:58] <RahulK123> I get ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.13 port 22: Connection refused.
[22:58] <RahulK123> So what do I need to do to fix this?
[22:58] <steve_rox> i just told ya
[22:58] <steve_rox> give the rpi a display and keyboard
[22:58] <steve_rox> and login to it locally
[22:58] <RahulK123> I can't get a monitor.
[22:58] <RahulK123> Don't have one.
[22:59] <steve_rox> eather hdmi or composite
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[22:59] <RahulK123> None/
[22:59] <Werel> try just telnet, first, don't specify a port, just your raspi machine. it's open with telnet by defaut, isn't it?
[22:59] <RahulK123> I have a HDMI , and a macbook that allows HDMI
[22:59] <steve_rox> suppose youd have to memorise the keys pressed and set it up blind :-P
[22:59] <RahulK123> Hahaha
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[22:59] <RahulK123> Can my macbook word a display?
[22:59] <steve_rox> done that before
[23:00] <steve_rox> i have no experence with a mac
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[23:00] <RahulK123> telnet 192.168.0.13 Trying 192.168.0.13... telnet: connect to address 192.168.0.13: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
[23:00] <steve_rox> anyone else wanna take over before my head explodes? :-P
[23:00] <RahulK123> :P
[23:00] <RahulK123> Steve
[23:01] <RahulK123> My windows laptop also has HDMI
[23:01] <RahulK123> Can i use that
[23:01] <RahulK123> ?
[23:01] <steve_rox> thats probly output only
[23:01] <RahulK123> Ohhh
[23:01] <RahulK123> Ok, I'll have to pop to the shop tomorrow for an adaptor.
[23:02] <RahulK123> Btw, a quick question; am I supposed to touch the board?
[23:02] <steve_rox> the rpi board itself?
[23:02] <steve_rox> probly should avoid too much contact
[23:02] <RahulK123> I got a case with it, and it wouldn't fit right.
[23:02] <steve_rox> to prevent static and components bending etc
[23:02] <Werel> also, you sure your local network is on 192.168.0.* and not something like 192.168.1.* ?
[23:02] <RahulK123> I was forcing it in, still not gone in.
[23:02] <Werel> wait
[23:02] <RahulK123> Yeah
[23:02] <RahulK123> Sec.
[23:03] <steve_rox> i dont think ssh is enabled by default
[23:03] <RahulK123> Ohh
[23:03] <RahulK123> Help with that?
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[23:03] <Werel> steve_rox, I don't think ssh is either, but I think basic telnet IS.
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[23:03] <steve_rox> i have no idea about telnet
[23:03] <RahulK123> telnet didn't work before..
[23:03] <steve_rox> you could login blind type cmds blind and enable it like that
[23:03] <Werel> eww.....
[23:03] <steve_rox> asumeing you own a keyboard
[23:04] <RahulK123> I do.
[23:04] <RahulK123> I don't know the commands though?
[23:05] <Werel> it depends on how it starts up, I remembered when I got mine and I bought the preloaded SD card, it prompted me first what type of OS I wanted, raspbian, xmbc, etc.
[23:05] <steve_rox> youd need the login too
[23:05] <steve_rox> what a nightmare for you eh :-P
[23:05] <RahulK123> I know!! :(
[23:05] <RahulK123> Steve, do you have Skype?
[23:05] <Werel> do you have a tv set ( any kind with the yellow red white jacks in it ) and a dvd player?
[23:05] <RahulK123> Maybe tomorrow I get the adaptor and I have troubles.
[23:05] <Werel> or, a dvd player at all?
[23:05] <RahulK123> I do.
[23:06] <Werel> in the back of the dvd player, is it connected with a yellow red white, or hdmi plug?
[23:06] <RahulK123> I have a red, white red, on my tv.
[23:06] <RahulK123> Not sure what they all connect to.
[23:06] <Werel> if it's hdmi, there's your visial interface. if it's the yellow round jack, there's your visual cable.
[23:06] <RahulK123> I don't have a hdmi
[23:07] <RahulK123> I have a yellow thing.
[23:07] <Werel> thhe key is matching the yellow plug that goes into the back of the tv, to the plug that plugs into the side of the raspi
[23:07] <RahulK123> Ok
[23:07] <RahulK123> I'll take a look thanks.
[23:07] <Werel> make sure the tv input is on the input that it's.. on
[23:07] <Werel> and it should work!
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[23:07] <Werel> tell me how it turns out :P
[23:07] <steve_rox> glad you were able to help em
[23:07] <steve_rox> i was going nuts
[23:07] * Werel is cable guy :B
[23:07] <steve_rox> :-)
[23:08] <Werel> I've never used the composite jack, myself, but I've got to assume it works.
[23:08] <steve_rox> i use it someetimess
[23:08] <steve_rox> more than hdmi
[23:08] <Werel> hdmi or bust :P
[23:09] <Werel> I got a hold of a 25ft hdmi cable, I can plug my laptop into from where I sit across the room, or ther other day, my pi :P So convient, and does sound, too.
[23:09] <steve_rox> one my rpi is hooked into my main pc display too so when pc shutdown it displays a clock on screen from rpi
[23:09] <Werel> oh nea
[23:09] <Werel> t
[23:09] <RahulK123> Ok
[23:09] <RahulK123> Im back
[23:09] <Werel> What's the word?
[23:09] <steve_rox> be nice if it displayed more
[23:10] <RahulK123> The three colours connected to the back of the PS3..
[23:10] <steve_rox> but i havent found a way to run many progs in one terminal yet
[23:10] <RahulK123> They were all in one plug type of thing.
[23:10] <RahulK123> I have a DVD player, with no wires also.
[23:10] <Werel> awwww
[23:10] <Werel> dvd player but no way to use it?
[23:10] <RahulK123> I got power.
[23:10] <RahulK123> Thats all.
[23:10] <Werel> 9 and a network plug )
[23:11] <steve_rox> you he-man?
[23:11] <Werel> (
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[23:11] <RahulK123> Yeah e..net
[23:12] <RahulK123> Ok im off, thanks anyways guys.
[23:12] <Werel> RahulK123, I don't want to have you messing around with stuff, but it sounds like you really want to get it going :P You know that red/white/yellow plug from the end of the ps3 cable you have? Are there ANY cables plugged in to entertainment stuff that have those same types of plugs on BOTH ends? It doesn't have to be strictly yellow,
[23:12] <Werel> ahh, okay
[23:12] <Werel> Well get an hdmi or something and good luck!
[23:12] <RahulK123> Nah, nope :D
[23:12] <steve_rox> i had like a hdmi to vga converter thing
[23:12] <RahulK123> I'll have to go to the market tomorrow.
[23:12] <steve_rox> but im guessing you dont have vga
[23:13] <RahulK123> Add me on skype rahulkhosla123
[23:13] <RahulK123> I'll add you tomorrow.
[23:13] <RahulK123> I got VGA.
[23:13] <Werel> RahulK123, shouldn't be expensive, try the dollar store, but either way, g/l :)
[23:13] <RahulK123> Just not the HDMI to VGA adaptor.
[23:13] <Werel> I find messing with adapters is confusing, but if it works.
[23:13] <RahulK123> Ok thanks.
[23:14] <steve_rox> gets more fun if its a B+
[23:14] <steve_rox> since it uses that non standard jack
[23:14] <RahulK123> It's a B+.
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[23:14] <RahulK123> Ok bye.
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[23:14] <steve_rox> have fun
[23:16] <Werel> steve_rox, oh yeah?
[23:16] <steve_rox> now i have to find another wacky idea for this cap array
[23:16] <Werel> nonstandard HDMI, like, the mini one?
[23:16] <steve_rox> its a mini jack point
[23:16] <steve_rox> with 4 wires in it
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[23:17] <steve_rox> its not standardised
[23:17] <Werel> hdmi?
[23:17] <Werel> ewwww
[23:17] <Werel> I have B
[23:17] <steve_rox> so when you get one you risk it not working
[23:17] <Werel> got it about 8 months ago
[23:17] <steve_rox> i had to cut and re order the wires for it to work
[23:17] <Werel> OH, steve_rox, lemme get a link for you
[23:17] <Werel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1yxjUEuIbk
[23:19] <steve_rox> heh thats kinda cool
[23:19] <steve_rox> the NSA would love that tech
[23:19] <Werel> It's OpenCV with pinouts to motors :)
[23:19] <Werel> also, my latest chuckle http://grab.by/AVjy
[23:20] <steve_rox> im not sure what im looking at here
[23:20] <steve_rox> but i kinda have the feeling im glad i have scripts etc blocked
[23:22] <Werel> oh, I'll get a direct link
[23:22] <Werel> http://new.tinygrab.com/fd78ab551da4bee8d15e65217384b152c3689e018d.png
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[23:22] <steve_rox> it was a image of a unresponsive copy of notepad i think
[23:22] <Werel> yes
[23:22] <Werel> how does NOTEPAD crash
[23:22] <Werel> I was dumbfounded :P
[23:23] <steve_rox> i dunno tamper with its memory
[23:23] <Werel> if it's over four megs, I can understnad
[23:23] <Werel> this was just that little note
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[23:23] <steve_rox> but if its ms just rember it will crash
[23:23] <Werel> anyway, I'm just being silly
[23:23] <Werel> yeah :P
[23:23] <steve_rox> they make the impossible/unlikely possible
[23:24] <steve_rox> these supercaps are scary
[23:24] <steve_rox> got em charged at like 14v
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[23:25] <steve_rox> supposed to be enough power in em to start a car
[23:25] <Werel> lol
[23:25] <Werel> super caps, like, the new supercapacitor things?
[23:25] <steve_rox> based on readings id say its true
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[23:25] <steve_rox> yeah its a supercap array
[23:25] <Werel> cool
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[23:26] <steve_rox> maybe ill use my solar pannel on it
[23:26] <Werel> have you seen that capacitor bank by that hackerspace group? Project Thumper?
[23:26] <steve_rox> strange name
[23:26] <Werel> they've been vapourizing pop cans with it :P
[23:26] <steve_rox> whats it do
[23:26] <steve_rox> ah
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[23:27] <steve_rox> ive seen ppl weld with em
[23:27] <Werel> I can believe it.
[23:27] <Werel> so I'm trying to mirror my /var/www folder into my /home/ftpsecure directory... I'm gonna try to use this export and mount command I read about when trying to set up a remote filesystem between two computers, but only do the local part, and see if I can just do it there.
[23:28] <steve_rox> errr okays :-P
[23:28] <steve_rox> im trying to find my old scrap UPS
[23:28] <Werel> I don't know a better way to go about it, which is why I'm talking about it :)
[23:28] <steve_rox> see how well caps run on that
[23:29] <Werel> lol
[23:30] <HoloPed> Can the PI drive two camera boards ?
[23:30] <plugwash> no
[23:31] <plugwash> the compute module can but that is currently only available in an expensive devkit
[23:31] <plugwash> and it needs an adaptor board which afaict they only include one of in the devkit and I don't think it's available seperately either so you may have to either makr your own adaptor board or buy two devkits
[23:33] <HoloPed> hmm
[23:34] <HoloPed> but the plan is to allow two cameras, on the compute module ?
[23:35] <HoloPed> Do you know of any other board level computer that can drive two cameras ?
[23:35] <shiftplusone> yes, the compute module can have two cameras and can do stereoscopic magic.
[23:36] <shiftplusone> though stereo hasn't been heavily tested yet
[23:36] <HoloPed> i actually dont need it for stereo
[23:36] <HoloPed> and I need two IR cameras
[23:36] <shiftplusone> no problems there
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[23:37] <HoloPed> but I would need to make my own board ?
[23:37] <HoloPed> or just use two PIs and sync them
[23:37] <shiftplusone> nuh, you'd need the dev kit (very expensive) and two adapter boards (only one comes with the dev kit)
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[23:38] <shiftplusone> so yeah, not entirely practical for hobbyists right now.
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[23:39] <HoloPed> the new module is only available in devkit form ?
[23:39] <steve_rox> is it possible to run more than one prog in one terminal session and have its output on screen?
[23:39] <plugwash> currently yes
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[23:41] <plugwash> no my information is out of date
[23:41] <shiftplusone> they're supposed to be available without the dev kit this month, but without the dev kit, they're a paper weight, unless you know exactly what you're doing.
[23:41] <plugwash> I must have missed the announcement
[23:41] <HoloPed> so if its hard to use, whats the point
[23:41] <plugwash> farnell now seem to have the compute module listed as "awaiting delivery"
[23:42] <steve_rox> i read they have a backlog on the mdl B
[23:42] <plugwash> HoloPed, there are different levels of "hard"
[23:42] <shiftplusone> HoloPed, for industry customers who can afford to hire an engineer to make a daughter board for them.
[23:42] <HoloPed> Another question, is there a CS-mount adapter for the camera ?
[23:42] <plugwash> designing a carrier board for the compute module is difficult by hobbyist standards but it's a heck of a lot easier than designing a board of your own with a SoC comparable to the one on the Pi
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[23:46] <shiftplusone> and I obviously meant to say motherboard, sorry.
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