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IRC Log for 2014-10-04

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[0:01] <Caleo> so.. I had to improvise a bit to mess with my raspberry pi on campus... https://hostr.co/file/KYdMVxYuktNG/RasPiDisp.jpg
[0:02] <Werel> Caleo, :D
[0:02] <Caleo> the only thing with HDMI... the projector hubs
[0:04] <Werel> for school, I have my own hdmi cable and little DVI adaptor
[0:05] <Caleo> DVI wouldn't be a bad idea but I probably won't need to use my pi on campus much
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[1:08] <lerc> Requesting alpha testers http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/2i8cdy/notanos_installation_instructions_for_raspberry/
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[1:25] <HoloPed> lerc, it would help if you explained what the project is
[1:26] <shiftplusone> interesting
[1:27] <shiftplusone> first thought "yet another useless crappy project... but lets check the video anyway" then "oh, that's pretty well designed... performance isnt bad... wait, how the hell does it do that!?"
[1:27] <shiftplusone> Not for me, but really cool.
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[1:29] <shiftplusone> Must've taken forever
[1:29] <jaggz-l> my rpi seems to crash a lot .. it's headless so all i know is i cant ssh to the thing often and must unplug it
[1:30] <shiftplusone> jaggz-l, b or b+
[1:30] <jaggz-l> b+ i think.. got it a couple months ago
[1:30] <jaggz-l> lemme look them up
[1:30] <shiftplusone> how many usb ports?
[1:31] <jaggz-l> no, just b
[1:31] <jaggz-l> the 2
[1:31] <ShadowJK> I really thinkg microusb power input was a mistake :-)
[1:31] <jaggz-l> 1.5a power
[1:32] <ShadowJK> Or, misguided
[1:32] <shiftplusone> Do you have a multimeter?
[1:32] <jaggz-l> yes
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[1:32] <jaggz-l> sir
[1:32] <shiftplusone> what's the tp1-tp2 voltage?
[1:33] <jaggz-l> are those pins?
[1:33] <lerc> shiftplusone: Some years worth of work. on-and-off.
[1:33] <shiftplusone> jaggz-l, test points.... marked tp1 and tp2
[1:33] <jaggz-l> ill craxk open the case and test ..
[1:33] <atomi> anyone got docker up on raspbian?
[1:33] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, The connector is irrelevant. If it was a barrel jack, fake/crap supplies would still be a problem.
[1:33] <jaggz-l> will probably have to do that later.. what should the v be?
[1:34] <ShadowJK> well..
[1:34] <ShadowJK> Yes, but also
[1:34] <ShadowJK> *USB *Chargers are *supposed* to lower their voltage in response to load
[1:34] <shiftplusone> jaggz-l, close to 5v. If it's less than 4.75ish, that could be a problem.
[1:34] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, why's that?
[1:35] <lerc> HoloPed: Should probably include the link to the project page https://github.com/Lerc/notanos
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[1:35] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, granted, that IS the case with apple supplies, but it's not a good thing.
[1:35] <shiftplusone> http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
[1:36] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone, normal powersupplies will shut down on overload, "chargers" will lower their voltage, and the charging circuitry in the phone will consume less current, and the "charger" never enters overload
[1:36] <shiftplusone> (the power curve graphs are interesting)
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[1:37] <ShadowJK> So for "chargers", it's a discovery thing, the power supply lowers its output voltage, the consumer consumes less, and they all reach a happy equilibrium
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[1:37] <ShadowJK> This obviously fails for voltage and power sensitive things like rpi :-)
[1:37] <shiftplusone> I haven't seen any charger do that. That's certainly not the problem people are having with bad power supplies.
[1:37] <jaggz-l> shiftplusone: thanks.. found it in the troubleshooting page
[1:38] <ShadowJK> I would argue that it is exactly the problem people are having with "bad" powersupplies
[1:38] <jaggz-l> but i got the amazon recommended supply! ;)
[1:38] <jaggz-l> and wifi dongle :)
[1:39] <jaggz-l> looked around a lot, but amazon seemed to show good recom,endations (based on what the population gets, i guess)
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[1:40] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, the closest thing I'm seeing to what you're describing is this... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G24wO76xipM/UDOwUaj6VMI/AAAAAAAAMwY/GNAeyUKfrRA/s2048/xy018.png
[1:40] <shiftplusone> is it?
[1:40] <jaggz-l> if i replug the wifi dongle, will tye network scripts rerun to set its ip?
[1:40] <jaggz-l> im using dhcp, with a static ip set for the rpi in my router
[1:40] <ShadowJK> What is Y and X scale here?
[1:41] <shiftplusone> jaggz-l, if it's a model B, you're more likely to reset the pi. The power circuitry was meh
[1:41] <jaggz-l> grrr
[1:41] <jaggz-l> its ext3 right? probably am not going to hurrt much by resetting?
[1:41] <jaggz-l> sorry, typing on tablet
[1:42] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, the voltage drops from 5.2 to 4.6. I don't see the load, unfortunately. But check the whole article, it's interesting.
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[1:46] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone, now if I were designing PSUs for "Usb charging", I would make my voltage curve such, that at maximum current load, voltage would be around 3.6V, and minimum load 5V :-)
[1:46] <shiftplusone> D= ugh
[1:47] <shiftplusone> I know if I connected such a device to my phone, it would complain loudly
[1:47] <ShadowJK> (Because empty Li-Ion battery during fast charge would sit around 3.2V + losses in phone charging circuitry)
[1:47] <jaggz-l> i replugged the usb and heard my speakers pop.. what the heck
[1:48] <jaggz-l> case open, but dont see a labeled tp2
[1:48] <ShadowJK> The other extreme would be around 4.5V
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[1:48] <jaggz-l> i mean tp1.. but i found it
[1:48] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone, you'd be surprised
[1:49] <ShadowJK> I don't remember the exact profile, though I have a vague memory that it was either not mentioned, or left kinda vague in the USB Charging spec
[1:50] <shiftplusone> There's a usb charging spec? O_o
[1:50] <ShadowJK> Yes
[1:50] <shiftplusone> (excuse my ignorance)
[1:50] <ShadowJK> Several...
[1:50] <jaggz-l> 4.64v ... hmmmmm
[1:51] <ShadowJK> Though just "one" if you consider USB less than 3, and "dumb charger"
[1:51] <shiftplusone> Ah, so it's not like... a proper spec for all devices. I certainly didn't see anything of the sort in the usb2.0 spec.
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[1:51] <ShadowJK> Well, portable devices with internal batteries didn't really exist at the time when the USB2.0 spec was written
[1:51] <ShadowJK> The USB charging spec is an addition
[1:52] <shiftplusone> makes... sense. I'll go looking for it some day then.
[1:52] <ShadowJK> It talks alot about various clever ways to negotiate the amount of energy a device would be alllowed to consume
[1:52] <ShadowJK> (which is mostly irrelevant, as no device implements it)
[1:52] <jaggz-l> uptime, 8 min..
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[1:52] <jaggz-l> looks like it did reset.. man that sucks
[1:53] <ShadowJK> and a simplified strategy called "dumb charger", which is what every smartphone (except apple) uses
[1:53] <jaggz-l> how can i fix this?
[1:53] <jaggz-l> can i add a capacitor somewhere?
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[1:53] <shiftplusone> I was always under the impression that it's up to the supply to provide a 'good enough' voltage and then the device itself will do whatever it needs to charge the battery like you'd do with li ion batteries in other devices.
[1:53] <jaggz-l> or is it tye rpi internal circuitry?
[1:53] <shiftplusone> THis sort of deal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6mKd5_-abk
[1:53] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone, kind of.
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[1:54] <shiftplusone> jaggz-l, yeah, someone did add some low esr caps and the pi stopped resetting.
[1:54] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone, In practice, you can't "provide a voltage"
[1:55] <ShadowJK> If you, hypothetically, could, "provide a voltage", then you could also use the outpot for arc welding
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[1:55] <ShadowJK> This is not the case, sadly
[1:56] <ShadowJK> In the "dumb charger" scheme, when a charger can't intelligently tell a device what the max current draw is, the "dumb charger" responds to load by lowering its voltage
[1:58] <ShadowJK> This is in contrast to "normal" powersupplies, that will do their utmost to maintain their designated output voltage, until overheating or simiilar condition forces them to give up, and shut down.
[1:59] <ShadowJK> The "dumb charger" scheme brings wider compatibility for devices that have an energy store, and an energy conversion facility (i.e. cellphones)
[2:01] <ShadowJK> But, utilizing "dumb charger" scheme for devices with no internal energy reserve (Raspberry pi), no energy conversion circuitry (rpi), and minimal voltage deviation tolerance (rpi), results in weirdness
[2:01] <shiftplusone> looks like this is what you're talking about http://e-tools.info/project/documents/18001_19000/18509/batt_charging_1_1_final.pdf
[2:01] <ShadowJK> weirdness being, that despite rpi having a 0.7Amp fuse, the recommended PSU size is at around 2A..
[2:02] <ShadowJK> The idea being, that if you load a 2A PSU with 0.7A, the 2A "dumb charger" wont lower its voltage all that much
[2:03] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone, this looks like the document everyone is using
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[2:04] <shiftplusone> Odd that I have a pile of samsung, htc and apple chargers (most seem to be 1.2A or under) and yet they don't drop their voltage enough to affect the pi.
[2:07] <Mr_Sheesh> Switchers aren't crappily made bad no-regulator power supplies, is a big part of why :)
[2:09] <ShadowJK> It's easier to claim 2A @ 4.00V, than 2A @ 5.00V :-)
[2:10] <ShadowJK> Samsung, HTC, etc, can adjust their charger "stiffness" to match the charge controllers in their phones, too
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[2:11] <[Saint]> "Well, portable devices with internal batteries didn't really exist at the time when the USB2.0 spec was written"
[2:11] <[Saint]> ....errrr
[2:11] <[Saint]> For varying definitions of "didn't really exist", I posit.
[2:11] <Mr_Sheesh> Who went THERE, [Saint]?
[2:11] <ShadowJK> And ideally, if you know the max possible current draw, and don't give a manure about future/past compatibility, you can just make it fit the particular model/range of models :D
[2:11] <ShadowJK> (and coincidentally will also be ideal for rpi)
[2:11] <Mr_Sheesh> Seems to me like rechargeable devices only existed since, oh, 1950 something?
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[2:11] <[Saint]> Mr_Sheesh: shhhhh ;)
[2:11] <Mr_Sheesh> LOL
[2:11] <[Saint]> (also, yes)
[2:12] <ShadowJK> Indeed
[2:12] <ShadowJK> Speaking of historical devices, I'm also familiar with the Nokia 2mm charging spec :-)
[2:12] * plugwash would expect a quality charger to not drop it's voltage significantly until over it's rated current
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[2:13] <ShadowJK> Which was relevant from, oh, around NiMH era, well into MicroUSB era
[2:13] <[Saint]> plugwash: right - that's an expected result AFAIK.
[2:13] <ShadowJK> plugwash, the curve is kinda unspecified :-)
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[2:13] <Mr_Sheesh> I have even heard of lead-acid and Ni-Cd batteries in portable devices, before then
[2:13] <plugwash> but admittedly the USB battery charging spec doesn't actually require that. It doesn't define any mapping between labeled current and voltage/current curve :(
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[2:14] * [Saint] figures that Google is doing some form of deduplication and isn't /reaaaaaally/ deleting his media files when he asks them to.
[2:14] <Mr_Sheesh> (lead-acid worked pretty well for the flashlights I had w/ those in them)
[2:14] * plugwash remembers at least four nokia charging variants
[2:14] <[Saint]> There's no bloody way I uploaded 600K tracks last night.
[2:14] <[Saint]> No way.
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[2:14] <[Saint]> Yet...Google claims I did.
[2:14] <ShadowJK> The Nokia 2mm charging specification defined different voltage levels for different categories of chargers
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[2:15] <ShadowJK> For example, "special charger" was allocated 4.8 - 5.2V, "special" meant that the energy source was particulary weak or unreliable, for example a solar panel
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[2:17] <ShadowJK> The phone would assume that the power source was relatively weak compared to its battery, and assign a less regulated, but more direct route to the battery, with fewer losses
[2:17] <plugwash> IIRC there was old fat used by the 2110 and similar which was 12V or so. old thin which was 9V or so and used by the 3110 and similar. New fat used by the 3210 and similar which was somewhere around 3V-5V+ and new thin used by phones arround the times smartphones were coming in
[2:18] <ShadowJK> If the voltage was above 5.2, unloaded, the phone would assume the power source was relatively strong, and would route the power through its regulation circuits
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[2:18] <ShadowJK> Even the 2mm scheme would accept 12V, as long as the max current at 12V was 100mA or less :-)
[2:20] <[Saint]> Why chargers weren't standardized sooner is beyond me.
[2:21] <ShadowJK> So if you wanted to construct ultracheap car adapter, you could do it with a single resistor
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[2:21] <[Saint]> Bonus points if your charger implementation overvolts and fries the competition's hardware with the similar charger socket.
[2:21] <ShadowJK> (cost 0.01 dollahs)
[2:21] <[Saint]> Archos/Nokia - I'm lookin' at you.
[2:22] <ShadowJK> What
[2:22] <[Saint]> see above.
[2:22] <ShadowJK> Um
[2:22] <Caleo> so.. this is a norwegian physicist.. https://i.imgur.com/lmDeO67.jpg
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[2:23] <ShadowJK> Nokia spec "standard/quick" charger means voltage/current window of 5.4V - 12V, 1200mA - 100mA
[2:23] <[Saint]> Is this the bit where we all pretend to be shocked that she is: A - female, B: Intelligent, and C: Attractive?
[2:23] <ShadowJK> I very mouch doubt any of their 2mm wall adapters (and car adapters) were outside that spec.
[2:24] <[Saint]> 'cos...that never happens, right? ;)
[2:25] <Caleo> a hot, intelligent chick is more attractive than a hot but dumb/average chick.
[2:25] <shiftplusone> A guy who doesn't say stupid things like that is probably attractive to girls too, I would think.
[2:25] <[Saint]> Aaaaaaand, all the women in the room just tagged you as "giant douchebag".
[2:25] <[Saint]> Congrats.
[2:25] <ShadowJK> Now if Archos used same size DC receptable, and Archos devices couldn't accept that voltage/current window that nokia used, and users plugged nokia powersupplies into archos devices, I imagine magic smoke was emitted :)
[2:26] <ShadowJK> heh
[2:26] <[Saint]> ShadowJK: that is an accurate analysis.
[2:26] <ShadowJK> I was thinking "physicist of what?"
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[2:27] <[Saint]> It boggles me that around that time no one seemed to check, "Hey, is anyone else using this charger form factor? Possible with reversed polarity, and/or greatly increased voltages?"
[2:27] <shiftplusone> of physics >.>
[2:27] <Caleo> [Saint]: this is the internet, there are no women
[2:27] <shiftplusone> Caleo, stahp
[2:27] <Caleo> also, [Saint], the fact that I like smart women kind of makes me the opposite of a douchebag
[2:27] <[Saint]> Yeah, you keep telling yourself that...
[2:28] <Caleo> shiftplusone: seriously though, this is the internet.. I don't exactly give a fuck what you people think nor should you
[2:29] <shiftplusone> =)
[2:29] <[Saint]> You should at least attempt to care about the rules of the channel you joined.
[2:29] * ChanServ sets mode +o shiftplusone
[2:29] * shiftplusone sets mode +b *!*@192.227.134.224
[2:29] * Caleo was kicked from #raspberrypi by shiftplusone
[2:29] * ChanServ sets mode -o shiftplusone
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[2:30] <[Saint]> Ah. That was a "thinks for giving me a reason" smile. Heh.
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[2:30] <ShadowJK> This other day, I had heated argument about rpi sd cards
[2:31] <ShadowJK> then I discovered I wasn't in #raspberrypi
[2:31] <[Saint]> hahaha
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[2:32] <ShadowJK> Which also explained why I didn't get kicked for comparing kingston to various degreees of combined (states of decomposition),(drug abuse)
[2:32] * [Saint] wonders why the state of BTLE monitors sucks *soooooo* bad.
[2:32] <plugwash> BTLE?
[2:32] <[Saint]> Virtually no monitors support passthrough of sane codecs.
[2:32] <ShadowJK> btle monitor?
[2:33] <[Saint]> Bluetooth Low Energy audio monitors.
[2:33] <ShadowJK> bluetooth low ener.. what?!
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[2:33] <[Saint]> A term you're likely more comfortable with is "headphones"
[2:35] <ShadowJK> Would the image be transferred over bt too
[2:35] <ShadowJK> or just the sound
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[2:35] <ShadowJK> or just the button presses
[2:35] <[Saint]> There is no image, you're confusing the usage of the word monitor.
[2:36] <[Saint]> Monitor/IEM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-ear_monitor
[2:36] <HoloPed> is there a CS-mount adapter for the pi camera ?
[2:36] <ShadowJK> Monitor in the sens of audio monitor?
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[2:36] <ShadowJK> ... the things I thought supported absolutely no wireless tech at all
[2:36] <[Saint]> Heh.
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[2:37] <ShadowJK> The sort of ... audiophile headphone, but created with logic instead of audiophile pseudoscience?
[2:38] <[Saint]> Its bloody impossible to find ones that do mp3 passthrough, ie. without converting the audio stream into some terrible (they're all terrible) "BT-friendly" codec first.
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[2:38] <[Saint]> And _nothing_, repeat _nothing_ supports opus.
[2:38] <[Saint]> At all.
[2:39] <ShadowJK> I assumed most everything over Bt would be .. what's that hting..
[2:39] <ShadowJK> sbc?
[2:39] <ShadowJK> .. no?
[2:39] <ShadowJK> sounds wrong
[2:39] <[Saint]> No, you're correct.
[2:39] <ShadowJK> I've heard of devices accepting mp3
[2:40] <[Saint]> SDB and aptX are the common implementations now.
[2:40] <[Saint]> *SBC
[2:40] <[Saint]> mp3 passthrough is /possible/, but, no one seems to offer it in a consumer package.
[2:40] <ShadowJK> But I never thought it would be possible to find a WindowsVersion + BT hw + BT sw + Bt gadget versions combination that actually worked
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[2:42] <[Saint]> I just want them for when I'm at my desk. They're superflous to requirement when I'm out and about listening to audio because I'm already carring around a couple of kilograms of DAP and personal amplifier.
[2:42] <ShadowJK> Though I might be biased by so far being unable to find products that complete my "simple interop" test
[2:42] <[Saint]> So a cable to my monitors isn't really an added obstacle.
[2:42] <ShadowJK> My simple interop test consisting of "get 2 identical devices, make them talk to eachother"
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[2:43] <ShadowJK> It's rather remarkable that bluetooth seems to work very poorly between similar (and indeed, identical) devices
[2:44] <ShadowJK> than between dissimilar devices
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[2:50] <Caleo> this pi business has renewed my desire to tinker
[2:50] <Caleo> currently browsing dealextreme for random electronics to purchase
[2:50] <Caleo> NFC tags are first on the list
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[2:52] * [Saint] is currently on the lookout for NFC tags small and durable enough to be subdermally mounted
[2:52] <[Saint]> I want an NFC tag in my palm, dammit!
[2:52] <[Saint]> I've already found someone prepared to do it.
[2:52] <[Saint]> Just need to find the right hardware.
[2:52] <Caleo> nfc or rfid?
[2:53] <Werel> why not both? ;)
[2:53] <Caleo> I don't know if nfc can get small enough to be subdermal viable
[2:53] <[Saint]> NFC. Nuts to RFID.
[2:53] <[Saint]> I ordered a few samples the other day, 8mm diameter.
[2:53] <Caleo> still pretty big compared to your typical subdermal rfid chip
[2:53] <[Saint]> They're designed to be washing tags, so they're absurdly robust.
[2:54] <[Saint]> Right, but...RFID.
[2:54] <Caleo> right, but.. subdermal >.<
[2:54] <[Saint]> I don't want to have to wear a faraday cage glove. ;)
[2:55] * [Saint] has much larger items inserted into his self subdermally, so, a tiny NFC tag is no biggie.
[2:55] <Werel> I thought it was funny seeing a couple people ( on the internet ) get slivers of silicone lined rare earth magnet slivers in their finger, so they could 'feel' magnetism that happened around close, and also have neat party tricks :P
[2:55] <[Saint]> sliver slivers?
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[2:56] <[Saint]> That's a whole lotta sliver.
[2:56] <Werel> erll, one
[2:56] <Caleo> Werel: I've heard about that before, pretty cool tbh
[2:56] <Werel> http://io9.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-getting-magnetic-finger-imp-813537993
[2:56] <Caleo> aside from the fact that it eventually kills the nerves around it
[2:57] <Matt> friend of mine has one of these in his arm: https://www.flickr.com/photos/danlane/8440663633/
[2:57] <Caleo> holy crap.. I haven't ordered from dealextreme in 4 years...
[2:57] <Werel> haha
[2:57] <[Saint]> Humans are mostly water, water is diamagnetic...I wonder if they could feel _themselves_
[2:57] <[Saint]> #whoahthatsdeepman
[2:57] <Werel> #showerthoughts :P
[2:58] <[Saint]> I was holding one of my phones the other day and I noticed that the NFC reader section of the handset met up nicely with a fat meaty bit in my palm.
[2:58] <[Saint]> Then...idea struck.
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[2:58] <[Saint]> "Why not put an NFC tag in my palm! It'll be totes awesome!" says I.
[2:58] <Matt> hah
[2:59] <Caleo> afaik one of the coolest things is the resonance with nearby electrical currents, being able to sense where wires are in walls and such
[2:59] <[Saint]> Idea being to not have to unlock my phone when I'm the one holding it.
[2:59] <[Saint]> Or...my corpse.
[2:59] <Matt> wonder if dan's thought of that
[2:59] <[Saint]> Whatevs.
[2:59] <Matt> [Saint]: or just your hand
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[2:59] <[Saint]> There's that, too. :)
[3:00] <Caleo> [Saint]: that's a pretty cool idea
[3:00] <Werel> I read a thing earlier about biometrics, and it eliminates your ability to refuse imput, or 'forget', for reasons or duress or whatnot.
[3:00] <jacekowski> [Saint]: go to the vet
[3:00] <jacekowski> [Saint]: they have plenty of those id chips
[3:00] <[Saint]> I didn't want to go RFID because: A - that technology is dead, and B: I don't like the idea of being scanned without my express permission.
[3:00] <Matt> jacekowski: that's all rfid tho
[3:00] <jacekowski> NFC is RFID
[3:00] <[Saint]> yeah, see prior RFID banter.
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[3:02] <[Saint]> Well...NFC is RFID in the same way as monkeys and humans are all mammals.
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[3:02] <jacekowski> no
[3:02] <[Saint]> Vaguely similar with massive key differences.
[3:02] <jacekowski> NFC is just a different name for the same shit
[3:02] <[Saint]> No.
[3:02] <[Saint]> Very no.
[3:02] <jacekowski> 35MHz RFID tag with some storage
[3:02] <plugwash> well my question with NFC is just how limited to the near field is it
[3:02] <[Saint]> plugwash: quite.
[3:02] <jacekowski> plugwash: depends on how good your reader is
[3:03] <jacekowski> plugwash: with good reader and proper setup you can get few meters
[3:03] <jacekowski> it's not designed to be used for distances longer than few cm's - mainly because of very low power
[3:04] * [Saint] puts on his pedant hat
[3:04] <[Saint]> Isn't it 13MHz?
[3:04] <[Saint]> (13.5something, rather)
[3:04] <jacekowski> something with 3
[3:05] <Caleo> yeah, 13.56
[3:06] <[Saint]> Or ~800-900MHz, iirc.
[3:06] <[Saint]> for the UHF tags.
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[3:06] <jacekowski> anyways, range wise, there was quite a lot of videos showing scanning credit cards from as far as few meters
[3:06] <jacekowski> and they use exactly same design
[3:07] <[Saint]> One of the many reasons why my wallet is a faraday cage.
[3:07] <[Saint]> My backpack is, too.
[3:07] <Sonny_Jim> Interesting
[3:08] <Sonny_Jim> That's in the range of an rtl-sdr dongle
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[3:08] <Sonny_Jim> (800-900MHz)
[3:09] <Caleo> anyone got any interesting ideas for neat ras.pi projects?
[3:10] <Sonny_Jim> What are you interested in?
[3:11] <Sonny_Jim> And what skills do you have/want to learn? (hardware, programming etc)
[3:11] <Caleo> sex, money, intelligent conversation..
[3:11] <Caleo> oh, you mean electronics wise.
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[3:11] <Werel> I would have loved to testdrive one of those rapiro kits.
[3:12] <Caleo> just random neat stuff tbh, like having a "propeller" with LEDs on it that you can sync up and "ghost write" with
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[3:13] <Sonny_Jim> You mean persitance of vision stuff?
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[3:13] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, that's more microcontroller stuff, the Pi isn't really quick enough to do that
[3:13] <Werel> there, whelp, I just finished configuring how I wanted SSL to work, got my sftp configured, and a nice little filezilla bundle which automatically opens the user to the apache active web directory, all with authentic paired keys and access control.
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[3:14] <Caleo> http://fuzzcraft.com/pics/scandisp1.jpg
[3:14] <Caleo> I guess that's an accurate description Sonny_Jim, but for a visual, the above
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[3:14] <Caleo> I haven't quite figured a method to interface with my pi from my laptop
[3:15] <Werel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1yxjUEuIbk
[3:15] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[3:15] <Sonny_Jim> You mean like networking?
[3:15] <Werel> my last year's pi project :) ^
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[3:19] <Werel> oh phooey, I think I forgot the password I set when I installed my LAMP software.
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[3:25] <Caleo> Sonny_Jim: Yeah, I need remote terminal access
[3:25] <Caleo> that said, my laptop doesn't have ethernet
[3:25] <Caleo> how hard is it to set up adhoc ssh?
[3:25] <Caleo> I could use a small wifi adapter in the ras.pi
[3:25] <Hello71> "adhoc ssh"?
[3:26] <Caleo> SSH over ad-hoc wifi
[3:27] <Sonny_Jim> tbh it's much easier to just use a network cable
[3:27] <Caleo> ad-hoc wifi = two devices linked directly to one another
[3:27] <Sonny_Jim> SSH is enabled by default in rasbian, so that bits very easy
[3:27] <Hello71> go out and buy a $20 usb to ethernet adapter
[3:27] <Sonny_Jim> Who makes a laptop that doesn't have an ethernet port?
[3:27] <Caleo> many ultrabooks
[3:27] <Sonny_Jim> That's not a laptop ;-)
[3:28] <Caleo> I said ultrabook, not netbook
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[3:28] <Sonny_Jim> Personally I wouldn't bother with adhoc, especially considering as you have an AP already
[3:28] <Caleo> I'm thinking about being on campus
[3:28] <Caleo> with only my laptop and the pi
[3:28] <Sonny_Jim> If you are remoting into it, then I would just hang it out the back of a router/AP
[3:29] <Caleo> need to have physical access
[3:30] <Caleo> so I can't just leave it at home
[3:30] <Sonny_Jim> Ok then, we've checked all the possibilities and narrowed down which is the best solution for you ;-)
[3:30] <Caleo> I'm on a Baja team and we're using it for data gathering/realtime feedback
[3:30] <Caleo> but yeah, usb ethernet adapter is probably the way to go
[3:30] <Werel> okay, a little while, I installed LAMP, which is just ashort way of saying apache, php, and mysql. When I did, I chose a password for mysql to work from, and I have NO idea what that was. I am root, how ca I change this? :P
[3:31] <Sonny_Jim> Is endurance an issue?
[3:31] <Caleo> define endurance
[3:31] <Sonny_Jim> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html
[3:31] <Sonny_Jim> You are on a baja team and don't understand endurance? lol
[3:31] <Sonny_Jim> Battery life
[3:31] <Caleo> ok.. I wasn't sure what you were getting at
[3:31] <Werel> thanks Sonny_Jim
[3:32] <Caleo> physical endurance or battery longevity :P
[3:32] <Caleo> and yes, endurance will be an issue but we won't be using remote interfacing during a race
[3:32] <Sonny_Jim> WiFi tends to suck quite a bit of juice. In my totally unscientific experiements it cut battery life in half
[3:33] <Sonny_Jim> Like the difference between 250mA and 500mA
[3:33] <Caleo> I can't imagine we'd get solid reception over the entire course anyway
[3:34] <Caleo> but yeah, we're not doing any sort of wireless interfacing during an event
[3:34] <Sonny_Jim> There's a few guides on setting up adhoc, or you can setup the wifi stick to act as an AP if the stick supports it
[3:34] <Caleo> the plan is to have it adjust the LSD and CVT in accordance with X parameters
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[3:34] <Sonny_Jim> hostap is the magic google word in that case
[3:35] <Caleo> I'm just thinking of the best way I can interface with it while on campus and can't necessarily just hook it up to ethernet or a monitor/kb/mouse
[3:37] <HoloPed> what is the best way to sync two pi? I need to trigger the camera on both at the same time, and then move the file from one to the other
[3:37] <HoloPed> AND - it needs to be small and portable, so a router is out of the question
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[3:39] <plugwash> how accurate do you need the sync to be? what is the trigger source? what is the distance between the Pis?
[3:40] <Werel> Sonny_Jim, don't suppose you have an idea for how long I should wait for an sql server to turn on?
[3:41] <Werel> oh, nvm
[3:41] <plugwash> <Sonny_Jim> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html <-- that's the difficult way
[3:41] <HoloPed> plugwash, up to ~50ms, trigger source is a timer in the master PI, they are right next to eachother
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[3:42] <plugwash> I expect at that accuracy just connecting them by ethernet and sending a trigger packet over ethernet will be sufficient
[3:42] <HoloPed> can I have both wifi and ethernet ?
[3:42] <HoloPed> wifi on the master
[3:42] <plugwash> yes though it may require some configurating tweaking
[3:43] <HoloPed> do I need a cross cable?
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[3:43] <plugwash> either a straight cable or a cross cable will work, the ethernet port on the Pi is auto-mdix
[3:43] <HoloPed> ok, thanks
[3:43] <plugwash> Sonny_Jim, the easier way to reset the mysql root password on a debian based system is to use the debian-sys-maint account
[3:43] <Werel> YAY
[3:44] <Werel> Thanks again Sonny_Jim :D :D
[3:44] <Sonny_Jim> plugwash: I just googled it, never had to do it myself
[3:45] * Sonny_Jim can't remember the last time he had to use a x-over cable
[3:46] <Matt> Sonny_Jim: when was the last time you had to connect two 10/100Mbps pieces of gear without a switch?
[3:46] <tblake3> Stupid question.... Logged in as user raspberry. If I use nano to write a file, I get a permission denied error when I ^-o. So I use sudo nano. That works. but when I try to run the bash script I get a permission denied error. Are the two problems related?
[3:46] <Matt> tblake3: probably
[3:46] <Matt> when you use sudo, you're running the command as "root"
[3:46] <Matt> which is the superuser
[3:46] <Matt> root has access to everything
[3:47] <tblake3> I shouldn't have to be root to use nano should I?
[3:47] <Matt> you might want to check into a howto on unix permissions
[3:47] <Matt> you're probably trying to save the file somewhere you don't have permission to as a regular user
[3:48] <Werel> don't forget to sudo chmod 777 ./yourfile
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[3:48] <tblake3> Just the standard base directory that you land on after loggin in.
[3:52] <Sonny_Jim> What's the complete nano command you are using?
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[3:53] <Matt> when you login, you're placed into your home directory
[3:53] <Matt> you should have read/write access there
[3:53] <Matt> unless you're editing a file somewhere else on the filesystem
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[3:53] <Matt> or you could just disappear, that's fine too
[3:54] <Werel> also, when you just create a file with nano, it's not executable as a script despite it's contents, you have to chmod it so that it is executable.
[3:54] <Werel> yeah :P
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[3:55] <Matt> and 777 is probably not what he wants :)
[3:55] <Matt> 755 maybe
[3:55] <Werel> 755 is better, yeah
[3:56] <Matt> or chmod a+x
[3:56] <Matt> which might be easier to understand
[3:56] <Hello71> or chmod +x
[3:56] <Werel> I always knew what to type, it was only two days ago that I realized what that 777, or whcihcever, actually meant, by turning on the indicator bits for read write execute in each of the sections of the file permissions :P
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[3:57] <Matt> things get fun when you get into the 4th permissions octet
[3:57] <Werel> nonoonoo do not want <:)
[3:57] <tblake3> Werel: sudo chmod 777 fixed the permission denied problem.
[3:57] <Werel> tblake3, Matt and I were just talking, and 755 would probably be better, but both will work.
[3:58] <Matt> tblake3: when you do 'ls -l' it'll show you the permissions on the file
[3:58] <Hello71> chmod -r 777 /
[3:58] <Werel> lol
[3:58] <Matt> by default, when you create a file, it'll probably look like -rw-r--r--
[3:59] <Matt> for example:
[3:59] <Matt> -rw-r--r-- 1 matt matt 0 Dec 29 2013 foo
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[3:59] <Werel> foo :)
[3:59] <Matt> that file belongs to user "matt" and group "matt"
[3:59] <skyroveRR> That's because the umask has already been set by the shell. You can override it, though.
[3:59] <tblake3> -rwxrwxrwx 1 pi pi 123
[3:59] <skyroveRR> The default umask is 022.
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[4:00] <Werel> the 777 let all those letters appear, the rwxrwxrwx
[4:00] <Matt> files under *nix filesystems have permissions for three entities: user, group, and "other"
[4:00] <skyroveRR> Don't chmod 777, it's a terrible idea.
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[4:00] <Matt> where "other" is basically "anyone else"
[4:00] <skyroveRR> Keep the permissions down to a minimum.
[4:01] <Werel> skyroveRR, it was my solution to 'I don't know what any of this means', hence why Matt is explaining all this :)
[4:01] <Matt> when you see the permissions in ls -l, you'll see three sets of three permissions
[4:01] <skyroveRR> Mm... ok.
[4:01] <tblake3> so should I undo chmod 777?
[4:01] <Matt> you can have read, write, and execute (r, w, and x) permissions
[4:02] <Matt> should be self explanatory :)
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[4:02] <Werel> Matt, would you say 755 is better? can give him an easy answer? ;P
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[4:02] <tblake3> I am very much appreciating the education
[4:02] <Sonny_Jim> Personally I use chown
[4:02] <Sonny_Jim> and +w -r etc
[4:02] <Matt> most linux systems will set permissions to rw-r--r-- by default
[4:02] <Sonny_Jim> Easier to understand rather than octects
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[4:03] <Matt> i.e. user gets read/write, group is read-only, and everyone else is read-only
[4:04] <Matt> for applications and scripts (things you run, or execute), you need to set them as executable
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[4:04] <Matt> so you'll see most programs are rwxr-xr-x
[4:04] <Matt> i.e. owner can read/write/execute, group and everyone else can read and execute
[4:05] <Matt> you can set that with chmod (think "change mode")
[4:05] <Werel> ohhh
[4:05] <Werel> I always thought it was modify :P
[4:06] <Matt> 'chmod a+x myfile' will set the execute flag for all (user, group, and other)
[4:06] <Matt> so if you have a file that's rw-r--r--, and you do chmod a+x file, it'll become rwxr-xr-x
[4:06] <Matt> make sense?
[4:06] <tblake3> I understand the rwx user group everyone thing now.
[4:07] <Matt> the whole chmod 777 thing is a shorthand, and depending on how up to speed you are on binary representations, may or may not make sense
[4:08] <Werel> Matt, I would tip you if it were easy :D
[4:08] <tblake3> a+x give all x. a+w would give everyone w... etc.
[4:08] <Matt> tblake3: exactly
[4:08] <Matt> you can also use "u", "g", and "o" for user, group, and other
[4:08] <Matt> and you can use - instead of + to remove modes
[4:09] <Matt> so 'o-rwx' will remove read, write, and execute modes for other
[4:09] <tblake3> Matt: There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary numbers.... but binary notation is new.
[4:09] <Matt> hehe
[4:09] <Matt> ok, so basically, if you think of rwx as three binary digits
[4:10] <Matt> so 111 would be rwx, 101 would be r-x, 100 would be r--, etc
[4:10] <Matt> convert that into decimal, and you get:
[4:10] <tblake3> got it.
[4:10] <Matt> 7 is rwx, 5 is r-x, 4 is r--
[4:11] <Matt> you're setting permissions for user, group, and other, so that's three digits
[4:11] <Matt> so 777 is rwxrwxrwx
[4:11] <tblake3> 111 = 7 101=5 100=4
[4:11] <Matt> 755 is rwxr-xr-x
[4:11] <Matt> 700 is rwx------
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[4:11] <Matt> and if you understand that, welcome to unix permissions :)
[4:12] <Matt> it can get a lot more complicated once you understand :)
[4:12] <Werel> Someone should save Matt's explaination :P
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[4:12] <Matt> hah
[4:12] <tblake3> chmod 000 means aint nobody cant do nuttin.
[4:12] <Matt> I'm sure it's better explained online
[4:12] <Matt> tblake3: exactly, and I have seen someone do that and wonder why they get permission denied when they try to access their own files
[4:13] <tblake3> This is online and I understand it quite well now. Explanation was fantastic
[4:13] <Matt> I've also seen files that are rwx--x--x
[4:13] <Matt> which is an intresting concept :)
[4:13] <tblake3> rwx--x--x 711?
[4:13] <skyroveRR> Yeah.
[4:13] <Matt> well done :
[4:13] <Matt> :)
[4:13] <Matt> oh, one more thing
[4:13] <skyroveRR> And 456?
[4:13] <skyroveRR> ;)
[4:13] <Matt> for directories
[4:14] <Matt> obviously you can't execute a directory
[4:14] <Matt> so the execute bit does double duty :)
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[4:14] <skyroveRR> True.
[4:14] <Matt> for a directory, the execute bit means "list contents"
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[4:15] <Matt> which is why you'll see pretty much every directory out there is set executable to anyone who has read access
[4:15] <Matt> either rwxr-xr-x or rwxr-x---
[4:16] <Matt> if you remove that x, you'll be able to cd into it, and you'll be able to access files in it
[4:16] <skyroveRR> A directory actually has an additional bit that defines what it really is.
[4:16] <Matt> but if you try and run "ls", you'll get permission denied
[4:16] <tblake3> so if I remove the x from a directory, effectivly all the files become hidden?
[4:16] <Matt> yep
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[4:18] <Matt> I'm not going to get into the 4th octet, which is setuid/setgid/sticky
[4:18] <Matt> that's confusing enough at the best of times :)
[4:19] <Matt> I'll leave that as an exercise in research :)
[4:19] <Werel> cooool, didn't know that directory stuff :)
[4:19] <tblake3> I appreciate the help. How did you acquire this wealth of knowledge?
[4:20] <Matt> I've been using linux for 20 years :)
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[4:20] <Matt> after that length of time, some of it sticks
[4:21] <tblake3> 10-4. I've messed with Ubuntu live CD's here and there. But since getting the pi a year ago, I've really started learning especially in the past couple months.
[4:22] <Matt> there are such things as ACLs too, but you typically have to turn on support
[4:22] <Matt> and they're only really useful in multi-user environments
[4:22] <tblake3> anterior crucial ligaments?
[4:22] <Matt> Access Control Lists
[4:23] <Matt> let you set permissions on a file/directory for more than one user and group
[4:23] <Matt> so joe owns the file, and has rwx, jim and bob also get rwx, fred gets r-x, anyone who's in developers gets rwx, anyone in qa gets r-x, and everyone else gets nothing
[4:24] <Matt> they're also handy if you're doing windows networking and running samba
[4:24] <Matt> because samba knows how to convert posix ACLs into windows permissions
[4:25] <Matt> but then you also need to be running a windows domain
[4:25] <Matt> and I'm really not getting into setting up samba domain controllers on here :)
[4:26] <Matt> anyway, I'm gonna turn in I think
[4:26] <Werel> have a good night!
[4:26] <tblake3> Matt, you are my hero. Thank you so much!
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[4:53] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/zsDvk3J.jpg
[4:54] <[Saint]> http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7044/oprahbees.gif
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[5:08] <Caleo> I burned the shit out of myself on a camera flash capacitor once.. SNAP, left two good burn marks on the webbing of my thumb
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[8:57] <Caleo> https://i.imgur.com/VABAyMw.jpg yikes, that's one hell of a way to get an enema
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[9:00] <skyroveRR> Caleo: is that photoshop?
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[9:00] <Caleo> no
[9:00] <Caleo> it's real, it's a suction dredge
[9:00] <skyroveRR> Is that an underwater digging machine or what..
[9:01] <skyroveRR> A suction dredge? What does that do?
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[9:02] <[Saint]> Dredges.
[9:02] <[Saint]> Using suction.
[9:04] <[Saint]> skyroveRR: instead of trying to explain it, I found a nice picture.
[9:04] <[Saint]> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/831/216/262/1281659828123_hz-fileserver2_338376.jpg
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[9:06] <[Saint]> That big gobbly-spinny-ma-jigger cuts up the mud and crap on the sea/lake/river bed, and it goes up the tube and distributed as silt elsewhere downstream or onto a barge for transport.
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[9:08] <Keanu73> Hi.
[9:08] <Keanu73> Agh help me
[9:08] <Keanu73> My date and time is wrong
[9:09] <[Saint]> Is it network connected?
[9:09] <Keanu73> It is
[9:09] <[Saint]> And it can see the interwebz?
[9:09] <Keanu73> um
[9:09] <Keanu73> the date and time?
[9:09] <Keanu73> I don't know anything about the date and time
[9:09] <[Saint]> I mean, it can reach outside your network?
[9:09] <Keanu73> I don't know.
[9:10] <Keanu73> I ain't a expert on date and time on linux but I am on shell scripts and linux command
[9:10] <Keanu73> *commands
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[9:10] <Keanu73> because.. now my wrong date and time is displaying 2nd October, 19:57 when it is 4th October
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[9:11] <Keanu73> if you tell me how to fix it, I might make a shell script out of it
[9:13] <Keanu73> urrgh
[9:13] <Keanu73> I'm fedup of the date + time
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> Keanu73, if your Pi connected to the Internet?
[9:14] <Keanu73> Yes
[9:14] <Keanu73> otherwise I couldn't be connected to IRC
[9:14] <Keanu73> :p
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> it's odd that the time is wrong them.
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> run: ps ax | fgrep ntp
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> and see if ntp is running.
[9:14] <Keanu73> kay.
[9:15] <[Saint]> Errr, balls, sorry. I wasn't ignoring you, my cat jumped up on the varidesk, and, there was a bit on an incident.
[9:15] <gordonDrogon> expect to see something like: 1848 ? Ss 0:27 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 102:104
[9:15] <Keanu73> the ntp daemon is running
[9:15] <Keanu73> I saw that
[9:16] <Keanu73> Yes I saw it.
[9:16] <Keanu73> maybe
[9:16] <Keanu73> I need to restart ntp
[9:16] <Keanu73> ?
[9:16] <gordonDrogon> if you run: ntpq -c rl
[9:16] <Keanu73> *ntpd
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[9:16] <gordonDrogon> then look at the output. Look for stratum= in the output (usually the 3rd line)
[9:16] <gordonDrogon> that will tell you if it's synced or not. anything < 16 is good.
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[9:17] <Keanu73> stratum is 3 currently
[9:17] <Keanu73> this is too odd
[9:18] <Keanu73> maybe it's because I never plugged out my pi and in again
[9:18] <gordonDrogon> that suggests its running. next thing to check is the timezone. does the date output give the correct minutes?
[9:19] <gordonDrogon> e.g. my pi says: Sat Oct 4 08:18:50 BST 2014
[9:19] <gordonDrogon> and I'm in the BST timezone...
[9:19] <Keanu73> Me too
[9:19] <Keanu73> but
[9:19] <Keanu73> I am in BST + UTC
[9:19] <Keanu73> :|
[9:19] <Keanu73> I live in Liverpool so I had to choose the London time zone
[9:19] <gordonDrogon> run sudo raspi-config and go through the menus to set the timezone. Look for Europe -> London
[9:20] <Keanu73> gordonDrogon: I selected that
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> have you rebooted since?
[9:20] <Keanu73> oh
[9:20] <Keanu73> oops
[9:20] <Keanu73> not yet
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> might help, but I can't remember if it's updated on the fly.
[9:21] <Keanu73> I have a handy shell script that reboots my RPi
[9:21] <Keanu73> Gonna reboot now
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[9:22] <gordonDrogon> enjoy - I'll be back later - got to pop back to the kitchen - got a big bake going on and the beepers about to go...
[9:23] <[Saint]> sixth bread sense huh?
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> no - it's right next to me :)
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> doing 22 loaves this morning..
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> laters!
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[9:23] <Keanu73> Back
[9:24] <Keanu73> gordonDrogon the date and time still is wrong
[9:24] <Keanu73> :|
[9:25] <[Saint]> What does "grep ^server /etc/ntp.conf" yeild.
[9:26] <Keanu73> says this
[9:26] <Keanu73> server uk.pool.ntp.org iburst
[9:26] <Keanu73> server hu.pool.ntp.org
[9:26] <Keanu73> server 127.127.1.0
[9:26] <Keanu73> server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[9:26] <Keanu73> server 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[9:26] <Keanu73> server 2.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[9:26] <Keanu73> server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst
[9:27] <Keanu73> the hu.pool.ntp.org I think I put in the config
[9:27] <Keanu73> plus
[9:27] <Keanu73> I was trying to setup my own NTP server before
[9:29] <[Saint]> Need to check if you're actually reaching the ntp server(s), do "ntptrace $servername"
[9:29] <ShorTie> maybe try taking 2 & 3 out of it
[9:29] <ShorTie> hu & 127 that is
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[9:32] <[Saint]> If ntptrace $servername fails, its possibly DNS issues.
[9:32] <[Saint]> Or /maybe/ UDP getting gobbled up at the NAT level.
[9:33] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah the time on my Pi seems to be wrong as well
[9:33] <Sonny_Jim> I noticed last night, not sure if it's been like that for a while or not
[9:33] <ShorTie> maybe the uk 1 too, i just have the 0-3 1's
[9:33] <Sonny_Jim> Sat Oct 4 06:40:31 UTC 2014
[9:34] <[Saint]> wrong locale set?
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> TZif2
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> UTC0
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> Buh wah?
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> Seems to be some junk in /etc/localtime
[9:34] <Keanu73> it timed out
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> TZif2UTCTZif2UTC
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure that shouldn't be there
[9:34] <Sonny_Jim> Looks like a badly behaved script has overwritten it
[9:34] <[Saint]> heh
[9:35] <Sonny_Jim> TZ is2 UTC TZ if2 UTC
[9:35] <Keanu73> localtime is a file
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[9:35] <Keanu73> crikey
[9:35] <Keanu73> some weeird characters in /etc/localtime
[9:35] <Keanu73> GMT0BST it says
[9:36] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: run "file /etc/localtime"
[9:36] <Keanu73> M3.5.0/1, M10.5.0
[9:36] <[Saint]> you'll see why.
[9:36] <Sonny_Jim> Too late
[9:36] <Sonny_Jim> You could just tell me rather than being cryptic you know....
[9:36] <Keanu73> agh
[9:37] <Keanu73> I need a fix for my pi now
[9:37] <[Saint]> That's not being cryptic at all. Its giving you an answer, and a demonstration.
[9:37] <[Saint]> No need to be a dick about it.
[9:37] <Keanu73> /etc/localtime: timezone data, version 2, 7 gmt time flags, 7 std time flags, no leap seconds, 242 transition times, 7 abbreviation chars
[9:37] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I didn't understand your answer
[9:37] <Sonny_Jim> And please don't swear
[9:37] <[Saint]> Oh please.
[9:37] <Keanu73> urgh [Saint] I neeed a fix
[9:37] <Sonny_Jim> Keanu73: sudo raspi-config
[9:38] <Keanu73> Sonny_Jim
[9:38] <Sonny_Jim> Internationalisation options, set timezone
[9:38] <Keanu73> I did that
[9:38] <Keanu73> a billion times, rebooted
[9:38] <Keanu73> still
[9:38] <Keanu73> the date and time was wrong after I rebooted
[9:38] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah come to mention mines still an hour slow
[9:38] <Keanu73> but I noticed something in start commandline "Starting fake hwclock, loading system time"
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> That's fine
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> There's no hardware clock on the Pi
[9:39] <Keanu73> But I want my date and time fixed
[9:39] <Keanu73> qq
[9:39] <Keanu73> sooo badly
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> Can you just not set it with date manually?
[9:40] <Keanu73> I can't
[9:40] <Keanu73> won't let me
[9:40] <Sonny_Jim> not even with sudo date?
[9:40] <Keanu73> .-.
[9:40] <Keanu73> hmm
[9:41] <Sonny_Jim> For some reason my Pi thinks it's still BST
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[9:41] <Keanu73> mine too
[9:41] <Keanu73> should be BAT
[9:41] <Keanu73> British Autumn Time
[9:41] <Keanu73> XD
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[9:42] <Sonny_Jim> Bah
[9:43] <Keanu73> rgjghjkzttgjk
[9:43] <Keanu73> I neeeed it fixeddddddd
[9:43] <Keanu73> qq
[9:44] <Keanu73> Ik maybe I'll redo my Pi
[9:44] <Keanu73> shutting down
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[9:45] <[Saint]> Sat Oct 4 20:44:14 NZDT 2014
[9:45] <[Saint]> bah. excuse me.
[9:46] <Sonny_Jim> Strange, reset my locale, reset my timezone, restarted ntp and it still thinks it's BST
[9:47] <Sonny_Jim> I can ping 0.debian.pool.ntp.org so I don't think it's that
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[9:47] <Keanu73> efjkfwk
[9:47] <Keanu73> I need the date and time FIXXED
[9:48] <[Saint]> Yeah, well, if simply bitching about things got things done, we'd all have easy lives wouldn't we?
[9:48] <Sonny_Jim> Please don't swear [Saint]
[9:49] <[Saint]> Oh grow up.
[9:49] <ShorTie> maybe it's something with debian.pool.ntp.org, try a different ntp server
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[9:50] <Keanu73> I'll remove debian.pool.ntp.org
[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't /etc/localtime supposed to be a symlink?
[9:52] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah it seems debian.ntp.org is borked
[9:52] <Sonny_Jim> Weird
[9:53] <Sonny_Jim> Also getting this problem as well during an apt-get update:
[9:53] <Sonny_Jim> Could not connect to raspberrypi.collabora.com:80 (93.93.128.223). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[9:54] <Keanu73> That's weird
[9:54] <Keanu73> I know why
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[9:54] <Keanu73> do sudo apt-get install ca-certifix
[9:54] <Keanu73> *ca-certificates
[9:54] <Keanu73> that should fix it
[9:55] <[Saint]> That's a default package.
[9:55] <Keanu73> yeah
[9:55] <Keanu73> but
[9:55] <Keanu73> oh
[9:55] <Keanu73> yeah.
[9:55] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[9:55] <Sonny_Jim> I just removed it from /etc/apt/
[9:55] <Sonny_Jim> I think it's just down at the moment
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[9:57] <[Saint]> --- raspberrypi.collabora.com ping statistics ---
[9:57] <[Saint]> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7006ms
[9:57] <[Saint]> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 326.835/327.444/328.039/0.472 ms
[9:58] <Sonny_Jim> Try port 80
[9:58] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait, it's literally just come back
[9:58] <[Saint]> Oh, hah, snap. Right.
[9:58] <Sonny_Jim> No wait, gone again
[9:58] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[9:59] <[Saint]> Them flamin' intertubes.
[9:59] <[Saint]> <grumbles>
[9:59] <Keanu73> :|
[9:59] <Keanu73> argh
[9:59] <Keanu73> I]
[9:59] <Keanu73> need
[9:59] <Keanu73> my date and time fixed
[10:00] <Sonny_Jim> To fix mine, I edited /etc/ntp.conf
[10:01] <Sonny_Jim> Commented out the debian servers and add in pool.ntp.org
[10:01] <Sonny_Jim> Restarted ntp, the time is now correct but it's still reporting as BST, so *shrug*
[10:01] <Keanu73> oh
[10:02] <Keanu73> um
[10:02] <Keanu73> by the way
[10:02] <Keanu73> I need a SASL script for XChat
[10:02] <Keanu73> :|
[10:04] <[Saint]> like, this one, you mean?
[10:04] <[Saint]> https://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-xchat.shtml
[10:04] <[Saint]> :)
[10:04] <Keanu73> yeah
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[10:22] <Keanu73> yay my date and time's fixed
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[11:01] <MordFustang> hi can someone tell me why connection is refused when im trying to do apt-get update? "Could not connect to raspberrypi.collabora.com:80 (93.93.128.223). - connect (111: Connection refused)"
[11:02] <Sonny_Jim> It's currently down
[11:02] <MordFustang> is there any other way to do update?
[11:03] <Sonny_Jim> You can comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/collabora.list
[11:03] <Encrypt> MordFustang, If I were you, I'd wait a few hours / days
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[11:04] <Encrypt> It will surely be fixed soon
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[11:05] <Keanu73> if you have an RPi
[11:05] <ShorTie> does it really matter ??
[11:05] <Keanu73> do sudo rpi-update
[11:05] <ShorTie> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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[11:08] <MordFustang> ok I will wait :)
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[11:19] <Keanu73> I wanna make a timer shell script
[11:19] <turtlehat> crontab
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[11:19] <Keanu73> ??
[11:19] <turtlehat> man crontab
[11:21] <Keanu73> what's that
[11:22] <turtlehat> go to your shell prompt and write "man crontab" without ""
[11:22] <turtlehat> crontab is for defining periodic tasks
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[11:27] <Keanu73> .-.
[11:28] <Keanu73> I want to make a timer shell script
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[11:41] <Encrypt> Keanu73, What for?
[11:42] <Keanu73> well
[11:42] <Keanu73> just for fun
[11:42] <Keanu73> :P
[11:42] <Encrypt> :]
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> Bah
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> Stupid SD card slot being wonky
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> Does that happen to anyone else or just me?
[11:45] <Keanu73> just you
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[12:30] <niston> is there an RTC chip that has an alarm signal output?
[12:30] <mgottschlag> I think I have seen such chips before
[12:32] <niston> the idea would be to wake the raspi up on programmed alarm date/time
[12:34] <niston> but oh well, thats gonna be for a future version :>
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[13:21] <RenardP> hi, I've compiled SDL2 on the latest Raspbian, it seems that I can't create an OpenGL window on X, is this expected behaviour ?
[13:25] <Sonny_Jim> I don't think the GPU supports OpenGL, rather it supports OpenGL ES which is subtly different
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[13:26] <RenardP> sorry, I meant OpenGL ES
[13:27] <RenardP> I built SDL 2.0.3 with ES1 and ES2 support
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[13:28] <RenardP> I can create an OpenGL (ES) window if I don't use X but in this case the mouse cursor that appears when the window is created fullscreen seems to remain stuck at top left corner
[13:30] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe for SDL OpenGL ES to work it needs X to not be running
[13:33] <RenardP> probably, but I don't understand why the mouse cursor is present and not working when I create a full screen OpenGL window without X
[13:34] <Sonny_Jim> I would try and get the mouse to work with some non-GL code
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[13:48] <martk100> Can someone suggest a simple way to pass a number entered on an html page into a python cgi script?
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[14:54] <soon> Hi folks -- anyone using Bittorrent Sync on a RP? I've just upgraded to a new version of the btsync (arm architecture obviously) ... no I have no web gui, albeit btsync is running just fine in the background
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[15:31] <brian1001> hi people , my SD card of the rasp is corrected :( it wont boot , anyone here who knows a quick way to fix it (fsck / rescue kernel)
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[15:33] <Bacta> Hi
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[15:41] <shiftplusone> brian1001, that would depend on why it's not booting.
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[15:49] <Sissel> Yo I have a couple of case ideas for a B+ but I'm not sure if any of them work size-wise or not
[15:49] <Sissel> Could anyone tell me if any of the three would even work and if so which one would probably be best between
[15:49] <Sissel> a cassette tape shell (with liner notes and the like), an SNES cartridge and an N64 cartridge
[15:50] <Sissel> I know there have been people that have done all three but I think they were all with model A's
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[15:51] <plugwash> get your calipers out and measure them.
[15:52] <plugwash> The tallest thing on a B+ is the double-stack USB connector (with the ethernet connector not far behind
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[15:54] <Sissel> So when they have the measures on the Pi site that goes up to the USBs?
[15:54] <Sissel> And were the previous models the same height
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[15:56] <plugwash> B and B+ have the same max height
[15:57] <plugwash> A is less tall because it doesn't have the ethernet connector or double stack USB
[15:59] <Sissel> Alright awesome
[15:59] <Sissel> Thanks
[15:59] <plugwash> Theres a mechanical drawing at https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/hardware/raspberrypi/mechanical/Raspberry-Pi-B-Plus-V1.2-Mechanical-Drawing.pdf unfortunately it doesn't show overhangs and heights
[16:01] <plugwash> measuring my B+ overhang is about 2mm on the usb and ethernet, about 3mm on the video/audio jack and about 1.5mm on the HDMI and about 1mm on the DC input
[16:02] <plugwash> overall max height is about 20mm
[16:02] <Sissel> Awesome, thanks
[16:02] <Sissel> I'll go find measures on those three and compare
[16:03] <brian1001> partition is corrupted on teh SD card
[16:03] <brian1001> i can now read it on Ubuntu
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[16:44] <martk100> How and where do I put ExecCGI in my apache2.conf file?
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[17:05] <knob> Hey guys, got a timezone question. I want over to /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Puerto_Rico I then did sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Puerto_Rico /etc/localtime
[17:05] <knob> I then did ntpq -p and the rPi connected to the servers... yet the time is still off.
[17:05] <knob> Where am I going off?
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[17:10] <ShorTie> we just like went thru that this morning, the debian ntp server seem to be not working right
[17:10] <Sonny_Jim> debian.ntp.org is borked
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[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> Interesting to know it's not just GMT users being affected
[17:11] <Sonny_Jim> edit /etc/ntp.conf and comment out the debian.ntp.org servers and switch to pool.ntp.org instead
[17:12] <Sonny_Jim> then restart ntpd
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[17:19] <Matt> 0.pool.ntp.org; 1.pool.ntp.org; 2.pool.ntp.org
[17:19] <Matt> or use your country specific pools
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[17:20] <Matt> e.g. 0.ca.pool.ntp.org; 0.uk.pool.ntp.org; 0.us.pool.ntp.org
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[17:33] <hosler> hey does rasbian come with a gpio command line tool?
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[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, not by default iirc. I always end up using the excellent WiringPi, which comes with one
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/
[17:38] <hosler> yar i just googled and found that
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[17:38] <hosler> i just finished putting gentoo on pi :p
[17:38] <hosler> took 7 days
[17:38] <therion23> you would want wiringpi anyway
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> wiringpi should work with gentoo too.
[17:39] <hosler> yeah. someone put it into their own portage repo
[17:39] <therion23> i wonder if those *BSD ports support gpio at all
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> you might want to make sure you get the latest - 2.20.
[17:39] <hosler> so ill just add this repo and emerge it up
[17:39] <hosler> oh
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> especially if you're on a B+
[17:39] <hosler> just B
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> should be ok with any old version then.
[17:39] <hosler> but ill get the latest from their site. this one in the repo is old.
[17:40] <hosler> ok
[17:40] * gordonDrogon is the author. fyi.
[17:41] <hosler> yup
[17:41] <hosler> your name is all over this
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[17:43] <gordonDrogon> it's essentially a C library for the Pi's GPIO and the 'gpio' command-line tool started off as my test program then because general purpose...
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> *became
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[17:44] <ppq> you should have named it gpgpio then
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[17:46] <hosler> im also having trouble with my wifi. i use wicd to autoconnect to my network, but it takes too long to establish a connection that ntp-client cant get a time at boot.
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[17:47] <shiftplusone> gpgpio? O_o general purpose general purpose input/output?
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[17:49] <therion23> shiftplusone, sure, after all it's called a "guerilla war" where "guerilla" means "little war"
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