#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-10-20

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[0:01] <Sonny_Jim> (hint: you probably want a battery that can provide at least 400mAh)
[0:01] <Sonny_Jim> I would then probably use a BEC (battery eliminator circuit) from an RC car/plane to step up/step down the voltage for the Pi
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[0:15] <niston> hobbyking has some good, cheap ones ;)
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[0:17] <tidux> any news on Maynard? the git repo seems pretty dead
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[0:18] <steve_rox> name sounds famiuler not sure why
[0:19] <steve_rox> whats it do
[0:19] <tidux> it's the new Wayland desktop shell for raspbian that's in the works
[0:19] <steve_rox> oh right that did seem interesting
[0:19] <tidux> https://github.com/raspberrypi/maynard/wiki
[0:19] <steve_rox> i think nvidia or some big company was talking about supporting it
[0:19] <tidux> looks like the last commit was two months ago
[0:20] <tidux> steve_rox: nah, that's wayland itself
[0:20] <tidux> maynard is just one desktop that could use libwayland
[0:20] <steve_rox> oh right
[0:20] <steve_rox> still would be interesting for fps performance wise
[0:20] <tidux> wayland (the protocol/library), weston (the reference implementation) and maynard are all named after towns in eastern Massachusetts
[0:20] <tidux> so I can understand the confusion
[0:21] <steve_rox> they love their werid names
[0:21] <steve_rox> seems to be a trend these days
[0:21] <steve_rox> name something werid to imply they are cool
[0:21] <Sonny_Jim> At least they didn't go for "Kit Kat"
[0:21] <tidux> nah, nerds have always had weird names for things
[0:21] <Sonny_Jim> or "Mars bar"
[0:21] <steve_rox> alough ms screwed up with xbox one name
[0:22] <Sonny_Jim> Oh for sure
[0:22] <tidux> a lot of the odd traditions go back decades in the unix world
[0:22] <tidux> alright, looks like nobody's heard anything, I'll check back later
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[0:22] <steve_rox> next thing ya know ms will name something crazy on windows
[0:23] <steve_rox> windows fat pie
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[0:26] <freebeer> xorg has a 'zaphod mode' which must come from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaphod_Beeblebrox
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[0:50] <btcNeverSleeps> I already played a bit with a Pi and love it: it's now serving as a VoIP "thinggy" using FreePBX/Asterisk. I was now thinking about buying another one but I'd need WiFi in a place which my laptop doesn't get any WiFi anymore... Are there really good WiFi antennas which do actually really extend the range/gain ?
[0:51] <btcNeverSleeps> The size of the antenna doesn't really matter: it would be for a RaspBerry Pi I'd leave in a barn. There's electricity but ethernet over electricity is out of question (not my call).
[0:51] <btcNeverSleeps> So I was thinking about putting some WiFi card to the RaspBerry and using a big antenna. Does such a thing exist?
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[0:52] <abnormal> get the Ourlink one from Adafruit.com that looks like a thumbdrive dongle, not the mini one...
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[0:56] <btcNeverSleeps> abnormal: do you know if these things get better WiFi range than, say, a regular laptop's WiFi?
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[1:00] <abnormal> the Ourlink is made for the pi... it is very powerful and picks up neighbor's wifi, about 5 of them.. so yeah, it will do just fine...
[1:01] <abnormal> if you want more reception, then browse for wifi antennas in a browser...
[1:02] <abnormal> some gurus look for old discarded TV satelite dishes and convert them into "ultimate" antennas...
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[1:03] <btcNeverSleeps> abnormal: ah you have one, nice... And what about your laptop (if you have one at home)? Does your laptop also pick those 5 neighbour's WiFi? I don't need much of a "gain": my MacBook goes 3/4 of the way to the barn but then loses WiFi...
[1:04] <btcNeverSleeps> lol, I'm not much of an antenna guru: I'm after some parts that would work. Anyway: doesn't look that expensive so I'll buy one and see what gives, thanks for the tip : )
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[1:04] <abnormal> I have 4 of them and not one has disappointed me...
[1:06] <abnormal> but the ones that are called "WiPi" have failed, yet almost as powerful as the Ourlink ones...
[1:06] <btcNeverSleeps> I'll go for the OurLink ones. Sounds great.
[1:07] <btcNeverSleeps> does it require much configuration or does this pretty much work out of the box?
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[1:07] <Sonny_Jim> Bear in mind that WiFi is two way communication
[1:07] <Sonny_Jim> It's no good if one station can hear and the other can't
[1:08] <Sonny_Jim> (You'll need good antennas on both router and receiver)
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[1:08] <btcNeverSleeps> Sonny_Jim: geez... I didn't know that. Good to know obviously.
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[1:09] <CoJaBo__> ..there is a pulsing, colored blob in the corner of the screen.. is there a way to turn that off?
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[1:10] <abnormal> o o... looks like you have an alien in the SD card...
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[1:11] <Mr_Sheesh> Screen saver or ??? It'd help a lot, I imagine, if people knew what you're running that gives you that? (Not all RPi OS's are Raspian :P)
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[1:13] <CoJaBo__> It's just raspian, running omxplayer. No GUI
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[1:16] <CoJaBo__> ..ok, the square isn't part of omxplayer even, it shows even when just sitting at the terminal
[1:16] <CoJaBo__> wtf?
[1:17] <abnormal> in which corner?
[1:17] <CoJaBo__> Top right
[1:18] <CoJaBo__> Fades in ant out at random, stays on solid when omxplayer is playing, but flashes again when paused
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[1:19] <abnormal> hmmm.. puzzling one... ask shiftplusone, he's experienced in this situation...
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[1:21] <CoJaBo__> finally found the magic words to get google to tell me I need to set avoid_warnings=2 in config.txt
[1:22] <abnormal> nice.. good...
[1:22] <CoJaBo__> I ran 37 different google searches for this >_>
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[1:23] <abnormal> cool.. yeh, it does take time to find what you need...
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[2:00] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[2:00] <evil_dan2wik> so I have kernel panics turned off and I have been playing with my Pi on slightly unstable OC settings
[2:01] <evil_dan2wik> and today, the Pi decided to connect and attempt to DoS the router...
[2:05] <evil_dan2wik> seems like a load of random data and then the Pi crashed
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[2:14] <ShorTie> interesting, don't see how the 2 would corolate though
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[3:08] <evil_dan2wik> ShorTie, anything can happen with an unstable system and no kernel panics.
[3:08] <evil_dan2wik> mostly just seems to be deadlocks and corruption
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[3:37] <oldtopman> evil_dan2wik: Why would you disable KPs?
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[3:40] <evil_dan2wik> oldtopman, fun
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[4:13] <Caleo> say I've got a critical task the Pi needs to handle above all else.. but some other, potentially heavily demanding tasks are running.. what's the best way to ensure the critical process runs?
[4:13] <skyroveRR> Caleo: depends on that "critical task".
[4:14] <Caleo> basically controlling some I/O to make sure a reservoir doesn't overflow
[4:15] <skyroveRR> Haven't taken the pi that far..
[4:15] <Caleo> I know people do it
[4:16] <evil_dan2wik> Caleo, CPU or memory?
[4:16] <Caleo> both I guess
[4:16] <evil_dan2wik> because, I am pretty sure you can set things to a higher CPU priority
[4:16] <Caleo> mainly cpu, friend's worried about running a web server on his pi and controlling his hydroponic garden at the same time
[4:19] <Caleo> I've been telling him priority should be all he needs, but if he's really worried about it, he can halt the webserver while a critical task is being performed (ie, filling)
[4:20] <plugwash> Linux has mechanisms for setting priorities but those won't save you if a buggy driver decides to hog the CPU with interrupts disabled
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[4:20] <plugwash> Personally i'm a beliver in KISS, if something overflowing was going to do real damage I wouldn't want to rely on a device with an OS to control it unless I really had to
[4:21] <evil_dan2wik> I thought most hydroponic farms were for drugs
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[4:25] <oldtopman> evil_dan2wik: Yep.
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[4:25] <oldtopman> Caleo: Throw in a hardwired-cutoff. A float switch connected to whatever you're using to fill it up should be sufficient.
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[4:26] <evil_dan2wik> or, a simple overflow
[4:26] <evil_dan2wik> plus, the Pi shouldn't be too delayed
[4:26] <evil_dan2wik> probably max a second or 2
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[4:27] <evil_dan2wik> Worst case is the program crashes
[4:29] <abnormal> never had any crashes on pi, on BBB yes...
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[4:33] <oldtopman> Doesn't matter in the slightest. A real safety switch when real safety is needed.
[4:33] <oldtopman> You could toss me a 3year uptime linux box and I'd still throw a overflow sensor on it.
[4:34] <evil_dan2wik> get a simple arduino and interface with it using SPI
[4:34] <oldtopman> What if the motor controller gets stuck on as the relays wear, or any other random disasters.
[4:34] <evil_dan2wik> that way, your arduino can't crash if you do it right
[4:34] <evil_dan2wik> and you can run whatever you need on the Pi
[4:34] <Caleo> oldtopman: well yeah... he's definitely doing redundancy
[4:34] <oldtopman> Heck, just get a NC float switch and run the motor through that.
[4:35] <oldtopman> Caleo: If apache is going to hang your motor-controller, I'm not hearing a lot of redundancy there :P
[4:36] <evil_dan2wik> tell the arduino what to do
[4:36] <evil_dan2wik> "Run pump 3 seconds, report levels"
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[6:24] <_gabriel_> Hello. Does anyone have a clue on a solution for this ever repeating boot message? "FAT-fs (mmcblk0p5): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck."...Running fsck always returns: "There are differences between boot sector and its backup".
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[6:42] <evil_dan2wik> _gabriel_, usually it is harmless most times, it just means that the Pi wasn't shut down properly
[6:42] <evil_dan2wik> You need to reset the dirty flag on the volume
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[7:02] <_gabriel_> So, is it totally safe to leave it in that way? Cause I've found it impossible to clear the dirty flag.
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[7:10] <evil_dan2wik> _gabriel_, yes, it just gets a little annoying if you look at it
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[7:18] <_gabriel_> ok. thanks evil_dan2wik. much appreciated.
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[11:57] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
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[11:57] <Sonny_Jim> SDL2 and OpenGL ES
[11:57] * Sonny_Jim scratches head
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, getting anywhere?
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[12:09] * qlex1 says hi
[12:10] <qlex1> if i'm struggling with getting btsync on Rpi's raspbian up and running - is this a good place to ask ?
[12:10] <qlex1> it always worked, but for somereason, after starting the service, i cannot open it on my browser
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> it might be - as long as there is someone here who knows about bt
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[12:12] <qlex1> service is runing, it gets its PID number and assigned port, but when i go to ip_of_rpi:8888 i'm getting the standard browser's (after connecting), it wasnt possible to establishconnection
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[12:16] <evil_dan2wik> qlex1, what browser?
[12:17] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon: Nope
[12:17] <Sonny_Jim> Let me double check that I've compiled SDL2 correctly
[12:17] <Sonny_Jim> Software rendering works fine
[12:18] <Sonny_Jim> #define SDL_VIDEO_DRIVER_RPI 1
[12:18] <qlex1> evil_dan2wik: firefox 33.0
[12:18] <Sonny_Jim> #define SDL_VIDEO_OPENGL_ES2 1
[12:18] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[12:18] <evil_dan2wik> should be fine
[12:18] <qlex1> same on all browser
[12:18] <qlex1> s
[12:19] <Sonny_Jim> So It looks like it's configured properly. I'm doing bcm_host_init () as well, so not sure why
[12:19] <qlex1> so its rather something on the pi
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[12:19] <evil_dan2wik> qlex1, you able to access the port from inside the Pi?
[12:21] <qlex1> give me a hint how ?
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[12:22] <grammoboy> hm after enabling external soundcard and plugin my usb behringer soundcard, usb doesn't seems to work in raspbian anymore
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[12:23] <Sonny_Jim> Powered hub?
[12:24] <grammoboy> no
[12:24] <ShorTie> model B or B+ ??
[12:24] <qlex1> evil_dan2wik: what do you mean by access the port from inside the Pi?
[12:24] <grammoboy> B+
[12:25] <evil_dan2wik> qlex1, like, wget ip_of_rpi:8888
[12:25] <ShorTie> i think the B+ shutsdown the usb if you overdraw the current
[12:26] <ShorTie> so Sonny_Jim maybe on the right track with a powered hub
[12:26] <ShorTie> or, what is the current output of your power adapter ??
[12:26] <grammoboy> after reboot, no usb is working
[12:26] <grammoboy> no keyboard no wifi
[12:27] <grammoboy> even without audio card plugged in
[12:27] <grammoboy> 5.2v
[12:27] <ShorTie> current not voltage
[12:27] <grammoboy> i have no idea
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[12:27] <ShorTie> not printed on it ??
[12:29] <grammoboy> 5.2V/2.0A - 10 Watt
[12:29] <evil_dan2wik> grammoboy, 10.4 watt
[12:30] <ShorTie> ok, thats good
[12:30] <grammoboy> http://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/microusb-voeding-5V2-2A
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[12:30] <ShorTie> did you do the config.txt hack to enable full usb power ??
[12:30] <grammoboy> no
[12:31] <grammoboy> should i do that?
[12:31] <ShorTie> might want to research that 1, sorry do not know it off the top of my head
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> the usb port on the B+ is current limited - 600mA by default, but this can be extended to 1.2amps.
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
[12:32] <qlex1> evil_dan2wik: hmm, not! im getting: ..... Connection with ..... 192.x.x.x:8888..... failed: Connection refused
[12:33] <evil_dan2wik> so then the service isn't running properly/at all
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[12:35] <ShorTie> fyi qlex1, network 192.168.x.x is purely local, so does not matter if you post it, no way to get to it from internet
[12:36] <qlex1> ShorTie: im on the same local network, and cant open this
[12:36] <grammoboy> but why is usb not working at all anymore?
[12:36] <grammoboy> and how to fix that?
[12:36] <evil_dan2wik> qlex1, try localhost:8888
[12:37] <qlex1> evil_dan2wik: same thing
[12:37] <ShorTie> grammoboy, might what to try un-doing what ever you did for 'enabling external soundcard'
[12:37] <evil_dan2wik> well then, the same thing stands, the service isn't running properly/at all
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[12:37] <qlex1> hmm, strange as it was working fine
[12:38] <qlex1> i havent changed anything, and suddenly it does
[12:38] <qlex1> nt
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[12:38] <qlex1> so tried to reinstall the whole btsync on rpi
[12:38] <qlex1> followed http://johannesbader.ch/2014/05/installing-bittorrent-sync-on-raspberry-pi/ Part 2 where installing btsync is described
[12:38] <qlex1> went to step 4, all fine
[12:38] <qlex1> got pid and port 8888
[12:38] <qlex1> when tryign to type that in tobrowser, im getting this error
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[12:42] <grammoboy> ShorTie, I don't know how, cause my wifi and keyboard are not working atm
[12:43] <grammoboy> is there a config setting for it?
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[12:44] <ShorTie> oh, got me
[12:44] <ShorTie> got another sdcard ??
[12:44] <grammoboy> yep, will try that one first
[12:45] <ShorTie> most likely you could boot up to that 1, then mount the other and go in and un-do it
[12:46] <ShorTie> or just re-image it and start over
[12:46] <grammoboy> how can you mount such thing?
[12:46] <ShorTie> about my only 2 idea's
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[12:47] <ShorTie> make a directory some where like fixit
[12:48] <ShorTie> then 'mount /devsda2 fixit', cd fixit/whereever, un-do your stuff
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[12:48] <ShorTie> then cd.. back up to fixit and 'umount fixit'
[12:48] <grammoboy> how does that work with sd cards?
[12:49] <grammoboy> how do I connect it to the booted device
[12:49] <grammoboy> hardware wise
[12:49] <ShorTie> has nothing todo with sdcards, it is linux
[12:49] <grammoboy> I know how to mount an usb drive, but you need a usb cable
[12:49] <grammoboy> what kind of cable do I need now?
[12:50] <ShorTie> not a cable, just a sdcard reader is all
[12:51] <grammoboy> ah ok, you mean mount it in your laptop for instance
[12:51] <ShorTie> sure if it linux, but the pi will work too...
[12:52] <grammoboy> or can I remove the sd card from the rpi after boot?
[12:52] <ShorTie> if you got another sdcard to boot from that is
[12:52] <ShorTie> no, but messed up sdcard in usb reader and plug that into the pi
[12:52] <ShorTie> put*
[12:53] <grammoboy> ah ok, I don't have such a thing
[12:53] <grammoboy> but I've mount it in my laptop now
[12:53] <ShorTie> oh, okie dokie
[12:53] <grammoboy> but nothing I find in the config.txt about external cards
[12:55] <ShorTie> what did you do to enable that 'external sound cards', that is what you need to un-do i think
[12:55] <grammoboy> on raspian I can plugin in all my usb stuff without problems it seems
[12:55] <grammoboy> it installed alsa software afaik
[12:56] <ShorTie> oh
[12:56] <ShorTie> so it wasn't a simple config change then ??
[12:57] <grammoboy> I did it from the gui
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[12:57] <grammoboy> so I'm ignorant about what it really did
[12:57] <grammoboy> but it told me it installed alsa and needed to reboot
[12:58] <ShorTie> sortta sounds like a re-imaging is the only way back to me
[12:58] <ShorTie> then
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[12:59] <Sonny_Jim> Bah
[12:59] <Sonny_Jim> So *some* of the SDL2 test program work
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, Hm. doesn't sounds a promising as it might be then?
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[13:13] <Sonny_Jim> Well, it's annoying
[13:14] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't seem to be any decent documentation as to how to set it up properly
[13:15] <grammoboy> my usb soundcard just works fine in rapbian
[13:15] <grammoboy> no need to edit usb power at it seems
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[13:15] <grammoboy> hmm
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[13:17] <ShorTie> thought you said it didn't ??
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[13:17] <grammoboy> raspbmc did not work
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[13:19] <ShorTie> lol, that is not what you said, 'usb doesn't seems to work in raspbian anymore' .. :/~
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[13:19] <grammoboy> ah sorry, typo
[13:20] <ShorTie> ok, don't really matter, just so you got it workin .. :)~
[13:20] <grammoboy> but wireless gives problems in raspbian :/
[13:20] <grammoboy> yeah but I like to use it on my xbmc system too
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[13:22] <ShorTie> that could be a kernel config or something, might want to drop by thier channel
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[13:23] <grammoboy> damn I find myself even in the raspbian channel instead of raspbmc :)
[13:24] <ShorTie> darn*
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[13:32] <Gnomino> I just received my Raspberry Pi :D
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[13:35] <ShorTie> congradulations
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[13:44] <lazy_prince> Hi all.. Wanted to buy a sd card for Model B. Just a question: does anyone know what is max read/write speed that Pi can acheive for any sd card..?operate
[13:44] <evil_dan2wik> 100MB/s is max
[13:44] <evil_dan2wik> not really though
[13:45] <evil_dan2wik> people dream of those speeds
[13:45] <evil_dan2wik> Mine only goes 5MB/s
[13:45] <MY123> evil_dan2wik: Attained 80MB/s with a 1V8 voltage switcher
[13:45] <MY123> (UHS-I speeds)
[13:45] <lazy_prince> I know that cards are available which can be read and written at 95MBps.. but is pi able to reach that limit..?
[13:45] <evil_dan2wik> k
[13:46] <MY123> lazy_prince: The problem is that UHS-I modes needs 1V8, so there should also be an external SD voltage switcher
[13:47] <MY123> In the SoC, yes.
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[13:48] <lazy_prince> aha.. I want to use the card for booting and running retropie and was checking if i am not overspending on cards by going after speed..
[13:49] <MY123> lazy_prince: With a custom Compute Module design , yes
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[13:49] <MY123> (Class 4 cards are the best)
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[13:49] <lazy_prince> I plan to use just a Rpi model b. no computes modules..
[13:49] <MY123> lazy_prince: Class 6
[13:50] <MY123> ( anything more is overkill
[13:50] <MY123> )
[13:50] <iceCalt> hue
[13:50] <lazy_prince> aha.. i was planning for class 10 but if class 6 will do, then thats good for me..
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[13:56] <MY123> lazy_prince: Try the official Raspberry Pi uSD card
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[13:57] <lazy_prince> I want it quick and in India, the delivery is bit slow.. Will try to get it from local store..
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[14:07] <lazy_prince> another doubt: is there any speed limit on USB Pen drives..?
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[14:08] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> Dpeendant on the drive
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> some will easily saturate USB2
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[14:09] <ShorTie> i's think any usb-3 pen drive would be a waste
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[14:10] <lazy_prince> At present, i use a WD 1TB 5400rpm usb disk but if USB pen drives provide better numbers, i can use them too.. of-course a smaller size (32GB)
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[14:19] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: It depends.
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: there do exist pendrives that can go faster.
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[14:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-DTHXP30-512GB-DataTraveler-Predator/dp/B00AV3XGPW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413807621&sr=8-1&keywords=usb3+pen+512gb
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> For predators.
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[14:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-128GB-USB-Ultimate-DataTraveler/dp/B00F3XSNGW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1413807752&sr=8-5&keywords=usb3+pen+256gb - 150 meg read at a somewhat more reasonable price
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[14:25] <lazy_prince> they are all USB 3.0 but pi has USB 2.0..
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:25] <lazy_prince> will USB2.0 reach that speed..?
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> No.
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> It tops out about 35 megabytes/s
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Or perhaps a little less on the pi
[14:26] <krabban> Hello
[14:26] <lazy_prince> aha.. so I am already getting that much speed.. looks like no reason to switch to USB pen drives..
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[14:28] <grammoboy> strange, my edimax usb wifi hub doesn't work anymore as it seems
[14:28] <grammoboy> not anymore in raspbian
[14:28] <grammoboy> and now raspbmc doesn't connect to wifi either
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[15:03] <niston> price of the 128GB model seems indeed a little bit more reasonable.
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[15:03] <niston> £300 for a memory stick? oO
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[15:06] <SpeedEvil> 512G very, very fast memory stick
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[15:14] <niston> well yes, still seems ...expensive though.
[15:15] <niston> not the kind of stick security dept randomly drops to see if someone will plug them in anywhere :>
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[15:21] <Sonny_Jim> USB wifi hub?
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[15:33] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: what?
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[15:36] <Sonny_Jim> Exactly
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> 13:28 < grammoboy> strange, my edimax usb wifi hub doesn't work anymore as it seems
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[15:39] <grammoboy> atm it seems to work again in raspbmc
[15:39] <grammoboy> maybe the signal was too weak
[15:40] <grammoboy> which is not a reason to not connect imho ...
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[17:29] <Kirito> Would it be better to just utilize a swapfile on an external drive (more specifically an external RAID 5 array connected over USB) over zram?
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[17:29] <Kirito> How well can the RasPi's processor cope with something like ZRAM more specifically
[17:30] <Sonny_Jim> USB bus is the limiting factor here
[17:30] <Kirito> Well, the RasPi is USB 2.0 only, so
[17:30] <Kirito> yeah
[17:31] <Sonny_Jim> Your swap will only ever go as fast as the USB bus, so you may as well just use a swap file on the SD
[17:31] <Kirito> Well that would add additional wear on the SD
[17:31] <Kirito> So it's still probably better to avoid that
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[17:31] <Kirito> But I'd guess setting up a small amount of ZRAM could probably help
[17:32] <Kirito> Since I doubt the CPU overhead is going to be nearly as much of a bottleneck
[17:32] <Sonny_Jim> If you are using large amounts of swap, then the standard answer is to use a different platform
[17:33] <Kirito> It's XBMC that's swapping right now, maybe that's because I'm using too much of a bloated theme
[17:33] <Kirito> though I thought that only used video memory
[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> Then allocate some more video memory
[17:34] <Kirito> It's not video memory that's constrained, I have 192MB of video memory and that's fine
[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> errr
[17:34] <Sonny_Jim> You realise where that video memory comes from?
[17:34] <Kirito> RAM
[17:34] <Kirito> yes
[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> So what happens when RAM runs low?
[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> (hint: Swap gets used)
[17:35] <Kirito> XBMC crashes, I'm saying I'm not sure what's causing the excessive memory usage
[17:35] <Kirito> Or, well, yes, now SWAP gets used
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[17:37] <Kirito> I'm assuming it probably is the skin utilizing RAM elsewhere, I probably just need to trim it down a bit or get a better skin instead
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[18:07] <Tomako> I just set up a dnsmasq on my Pi as a dns for my desktop, are requests from DNSs the Pi uses stored locally?
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[18:10] <Sonny_Jim> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/dnsmasq#DNS_Caching
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[18:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www2.nationalgrid.com/UK/Industry-information/Electricity-transmission-operational-data/
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> err
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[18:48] <Sonny_Jim> So has anyone managed to get SDL2 and OpenGLES 1/2 working?
[18:48] <Sonny_Jim> The closest I've managed is:
[18:48] <Sonny_Jim> Error creating renderer: Unknown OpenGL context profile -1225441536
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[18:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
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[18:55] <ShorTie> so what is the matter with your power SpeedEvil ??
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[18:56] <ShorTie> yes, frequency is monitered very very closely on power generation, 1 bad apple can bring down the whole system
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[19:07] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: trying as well - and, nope.
[19:07] <[Saint]> I'm interested in SDL2 to allow for GPU assisted decodign and encoding in Rockbox on the pi.
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm intersted too, but I'm not sure it will speedup my application. however having a scalable root window will be an advantage.
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[19:12] * [Saint] isn't really sure that the speedup it may offer his is even worth it.
[19:12] <[Saint]> We decode flac at 1200% realtime in 7MHz on the pi.
[19:13] <[Saint]> mp3 at ~1100% realtime in 8MHz.
[19:13] <[Saint]> Its more of an educational excercise. The gains aren't really worth it.
[19:13] <[Saint]> We're about as optimized as we can possibly be.
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[19:14] <[Saint]> Years and years and years of dealing with ARM based SoCs in DAPs, with MUCH more restricted systems.
[19:15] <Sonny_Jim> It's really quite annoying
[19:15] <Sonny_Jim> can get the test apps from SDL2 to work
[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> I can do GetRendererInfo and it tells me that opengles2 is supported
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[19:16] <[Saint]> Heh. Sounds like you're about where I'm at.
[19:17] <[Saint]> I pick this up pretty rarely, though.
[19:17] <[Saint]> There's only so much bashing my head against a desk trying different things with the same outcome I can take.
[19:18] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
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[19:19] <Sonny_Jim> It's really quite irritating to see SDL2 promote "Oh, we have an RPi driver that works" only to find it doesn't
[19:19] <Sonny_Jim> So far I've tried under X, FB, different bpp
[19:19] <[Saint]> see also: Broadcom's Android implementation.
[19:20] <[Saint]> "Hey, look, we have Android running using GPU acceleration - but, you can't!"
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: nothing - I just thought that was interesting
[19:20] <[Saint]> It wouldn't have been so bad if RPF didn't do a big hoohah and proclaim "Android is coming!"
[19:21] <[Saint]> I bet someone got shot for that.
[19:21] <[Saint]> And/or slightly chastised.
[19:21] <[Saint]> Whatevs.
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[19:23] <ShorTie> yes it is
[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> I basically need to figure out why testdraw2 and testgles2 works but my app doesn't
[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> Do I still need to do the bcm_host_init () thing?
[19:23] <[Saint]> afaik, yes.
[19:23] <[Saint]> But I'm stumbling around in the dark mostly.
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[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> Same
[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> Looking at testdraw2 it doesn't need it
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[19:28] <mikroskeem> hi, anyone remembers when i complained my tp-link wifi stick doesn't work?
[19:28] <mikroskeem> i got it fixed by installing 3.17.1 kernel :)
[19:29] <mikroskeem> also, i can access both i2c bus-es
[19:29] <mikroskeem> with new kernel
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[19:30] <[Saint]> mikroskeem: you could've just, y'know, installed the driver for it.
[19:30] <[Saint]> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[19:30] <[Saint]> ctrl+f; TP-link
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[19:30] <[Saint]> The V1 version will work out of the box on any kernel.
[19:31] <[Saint]> The V2 needs some slight encouragement.
[19:31] <[Saint]> Or, did.
[19:31] <[Saint]> (with older kernels)
[19:31] <Sonny_Jim> Ah I see
[19:31] <Sonny_Jim> testdraw2 works because it's using the software renderer
[19:31] * [Saint] apologizes for not being around and/or not seeing your request
[19:32] <[Saint]> I could've guided you through that easily
[19:32] <[Saint]> But...you've got it sorted out now.
[19:32] <mikroskeem> [Saint]: it was the buggy tp-link stick
[19:32] <mikroskeem> know to not working
[19:32] <mikroskeem> le me take model number
[19:32] <[Saint]> WN725N?
[19:32] <mikroskeem> TL-WN821N
[19:33] <[Saint]> aha.
[19:33] <[Saint]> That should work out of the box on any kernel as well.
[19:33] <[Saint]> I suspect you had some other issue.
[19:34] <mikroskeem> *the buggy one*
[19:34] <[Saint]> Either way, glad you got it sorted.
[19:34] <mikroskeem> scroll down
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[19:34] <shiftplusone> mikroskeem, were you the one interested in the kernel upstreaming effort a while back?
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[19:34] <mikroskeem> shiftplusone: yeah
[19:34] <mikroskeem> [Saint]: http://i.imgur.com/5eLxKnW.png
[19:35] <[Saint]> so "requires firmware" == "buggy"
[19:35] <[Saint]> Uhhhhh...ok.
[19:35] <shiftplusone> mikroskeem, if you're a dev willing to contribute, there's #raspberrypi-kernel and http://elinux.org/RPi_Upstreaming
[19:35] <[Saint]> I had the same adapter working, and still do, for probably well over a year now.
[19:35] <mikroskeem> no, i'm not dev :)
[19:35] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:35] <mikroskeem> i'm just advanced user
[19:35] <shiftplusone> seems like there are a few upstream maintainers involved who might help push it to the finish line.
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[19:35] <mikroskeem> who tries to fix stuff what wont work
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[19:36] <[Saint]> ...in odd ways. :)
[19:36] <mikroskeem> [Saint]: it's me :)
[19:36] <mikroskeem> also, check this out: http://bit.ly/1ySoE8T
[19:36] <mikroskeem> so many fixes for ath9k
[19:36] <shiftplusone> O_O
[19:37] <[Saint]> Its a bit weird with so many generations of the same stick.
[19:37] <shiftplusone> I've always defended ath9k since it "works for me" but gee whiz...
[19:37] <[Saint]> The v3 will "just work", the V4 needs encouragement, but after the fact, will also "just work".
[19:37] <[Saint]> entirely similar to the alternate model I listed above.
[19:37] <mikroskeem> btw how can i fix this http://i.imgur.com/TfUbVK2.png ?
[19:37] <[Saint]> People get caught because the device itself doesn't actually mention the version iteration.
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[19:38] <[Saint]> You need to have the actual box, or go digging in the commandline, to find out which iteration it is.
[19:38] <mikroskeem> i should add dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 to device-tree ?
[19:39] <mikroskeem> or since 3.17 kernel uses dwc2, i have to use dwc2.lpm_enable=0 ?
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[19:40] <mikroskeem> nobody knows
[19:40] <mikroskeem> lol
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> [Saint]: Did you try with the mecurial sources for SDl2?
[19:40] <[Saint]> A mirror thereof.
[19:41] <[Saint]> 'cos...ick, mercurial.
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[19:41] * [Saint] always thought that was a hilarious name for a versioning system.
[19:41] <[Saint]> By definition it essentially means it flakey, broken, and highly volatile.
[19:42] <[Saint]> ...not the kind of thing you want in version control. ;)
[19:42] <[Saint]> adjective
[19:42] <[Saint]> 1.
[19:42] <[Saint]> changeable; volatile; fickle; flighty; erratic:
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> mecury is blobby, not flakey...
[19:42] <Sonny_Jim> Something you really don't want to handle with your bare hands
[19:42] <Sonny_Jim> And turns you insane
[19:43] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: it gets flakey when it freezes.
[19:43] <[Saint]> DOes that count?
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> no idea. I've never frozen the stuff.
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[19:43] * ShorTie snickers
[19:43] <[Saint]> Mercury isn't /bad/ to play with. Hell, you can eat the stuff.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> I have a client who recently chose Hg over GIT though. Poor them.
[19:43] <[Saint]> Its *prolonged* exposure that counts.
[19:43] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: Oh dear.
[19:44] * [Saint] swallowed a bunch of mercury in Uni to prove a point that it isn't nearly as volatile a substance as people proclaim it to be.
[19:44] <[Saint]> And I, obviously, am still here.
[19:44] <[Saint]> Sanity reasonably intact.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> and your liver?
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[19:45] <[Saint]> Oh, that's completely screwed, but, hepatitis did that.
[19:45] <[Saint]> And being stabbed. Twice.
[19:45] <[Saint]> Fun times.
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> er ...
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[19:45] <toresbe> [Saint]: that's not about the length of exposure, it's about the form of the mercury
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> vapour is not nice AIUI, and Hg has a low vapour point.
[19:46] <toresbe> yeah
[19:46] <toresbe> [Saint]: if you'd heated it and huffed it instead of swallowing it, you'd probably not be typing now.
[19:46] * [Saint] won't try huffing any mercury then
[19:47] <[Saint]> I'll stick to good 'ol fashioned glue
[19:47] <[Saint]> And paint thinner.
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[19:49] <mikroskeem> okay, time to try dwc2.lpm_enable=0
[19:49] <[Saint]> God I hate daylight savings SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCHHHHH!
[19:49] <[Saint]> Its still light at bloody 2300, and then the sun comes up at 0610
[19:49] <[Saint]> stuuupid sun.
[19:50] <mikroskeem> lol
[19:50] <[Saint]> never did anything for anyone.
[19:50] <mikroskeem> in estonia @ summer, sun was up 'til 23:00
[19:50] <mikroskeem> now there is no sun at ~ 18:50
[19:50] <mikroskeem> :/
[19:50] <[Saint]> Do you guys do DST?
[19:50] <[Saint]> Or are you a sane country?
[19:50] <mikroskeem> yeah we do DST
[19:50] * [Saint] despises DST
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[19:51] <[Saint]> Rather hilariously, NZ is actually +2h when we're in DST time, ever since 1945~46
[19:51] <[Saint]> We added an hour of DST to cope with the war effort.
[19:51] <[Saint]> And forgot to revert it.
[19:51] <[Saint]> :))
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[19:52] <[Saint]> It kinda got forgotten about, and when it came to light they figured it would just disrupt things even worse.
[19:52] * [Saint] forgets where he read that
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> we don't do DST. We do BST. (for some value of )-:
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[19:53] <[Saint]> OOOOhhhhhhh, bugger me. I'm sorry.
[19:53] <[Saint]> It was WW1
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[19:53] <[Saint]> So, not 45'~46 at all.
[19:53] <[Saint]> My mistake.
[19:54] <[Saint]> We did it to save burning fuel and lamp gas due to war rationing.
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[19:56] * [Saint] learns a new word that perfectly describes his efforts with SDL2
[19:57] <[Saint]> Verchlimmbessern: to make something worse while trying to improve it
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[19:57] <[Saint]> Gotta love that German efficiency. Words for everything.
[19:58] <ShorTie> fits windows to a T, lol.
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> well, disimprove also works.
[19:59] <mikroskeem> grr... u-boot doesn't like my bootargs
[19:59] <Sonny_Jim> False economny
[19:59] <mikroskeem> i have to use device tree then :/
[19:59] <mikroskeem> *modify device tree
[19:59] <Sonny_Jim> You think you are making savings, when you are actually spending more
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[20:02] <omfgtora> [Saint] my girlfriend speaks german and went to a university in munich for a year. i have learned some of the german word-mashing, it's pretty cool and simple.
[20:02] <[Saint]> Ahhhh. Gerglish.
[20:02] <[Saint]> Yes. That's a whole other thing entirely.
[20:02] <[Saint]> Frenglish is also very amusing.
[20:02] <[Saint]> As well as Spanglish.
[20:02] <omfgtora> no no, not that
[20:02] * [Saint] is sure you can guess what nationalities they derive from
[20:03] <[Saint]> Hmmm. Then I'm not sure what you mean.
[20:03] <[Saint]> I wouldn't call it word mashing at all.
[20:03] <omfgtora> i meant something more like using two simple words for a name
[20:03] <[Saint]> Just words that have no English equivalent.
[20:03] <[Saint]> Aha. Right. Gotcha.
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[20:05] <Sonny_Jim> I think schadenfreud might be in the OED now
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[20:05] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, hell, sexting and selfie both made it in
[20:06] <Kirito> OED is become the Urban Dictionary
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[20:06] * kiely is now known as suchkiely
[20:07] * suchkiely is now known as kiely
[20:07] <Kirito> Has Ratchet been added yet?
[20:07] <Kirito> Or the alternative definition that is
[20:07] <[Saint]> And yet Google fought tooth and nail against "Ungoogleable"
[20:07] <[Saint]> Claiming that it damaged their reputation and everything is googleable.
[20:07] <Kirito> hah :l
[20:08] <[Saint]> ...you might not find any results.But, its googleable.
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> Impossible isn't possible, but that still is a word
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> So, erm
[20:08] <[Saint]> That's a bold assertion.
[20:08] * Sonny_Jim scratches head
[20:08] <[Saint]> One can correctly assert that many things are impossible.
[20:08] <[Saint]> it definitely exists.
[20:08] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah that's where my brain fell over
[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> I still get stuck on why abbreviation is such a long word
[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> Oh and NULL in C gives me nightmares
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[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> [Saint]: Cracked it :-)
[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> Build the mercurial sources with the following configure opts:
[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> ./configure --disable-video-x11 --disable-video-opengl
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[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, it may work with the release sources, will have to try
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[20:32] * Sonny_Jim prods gordonDrogon
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[20:33] <Sonny_Jim> If you want SDL2 to use opengles2 hardware acceleration, build it with those options
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> ah, right.
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[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just recompiling the release version of SDL2.0.3 to check if it's the configure options that makes it work
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> so now all I need to do is convery ~30K lines of my RTB interpreter from sdl 1.2 to 2.0 ... :-|
[20:36] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[20:37] <Sonny_Jim> AFAICS the major changes are with how surfaces and textures relate
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> yes...
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[20:40] <Sonny_Jim> What's RTB anyway?
[20:40] <Sonny_Jim> Real Time Basic :-p
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> Return To Basics - my basic-like interpreter.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> it lives inside an SDL window - text, scrolling, graphics, etc. everything.
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[20:40] <grammoboy> next try: volumio
[20:41] <Sonny_Jim> Cool
[20:41] <Sonny_Jim> Based on BASIC V I hope?
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> no.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> the issue with bbc/V basic is that I'm older.
[20:42] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> although it has some nods towards bbc basic - and Applesoft.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/rtb/
[20:44] * [Saint] takes objection to that remark
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[20:44] <[Saint]> I'm either greatly out of touch, or, I fall into the category of being "older" too.
[20:45] <[Saint]> 30-something sure /feels/ old.
[20:45] <[Saint]> But it shouldn't qualify here. :)
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm > 50
[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> I'd prefer that young'uns learn BASIC rather than python
[20:46] <[Saint]> I guess me issue is that I had some truly ancient machines to work with as a child.
[20:46] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: Oh, me too.
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[20:46] <Sonny_Jim> And bring back LOGO turtles ;-)
[20:46] <[Saint]> In fact, I've been teaching my niece (5) BASIC on an Amstrad 6128
[20:46] <[Saint]> The same Amstrad 6128 I learned on as a child.
[20:47] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just glad that I've managed to get SDL2 to do what I wanted
[20:48] <[Saint]> Her first effort is a simple exploration of the "The 5 magic words" (AND, ANY, GOTO, IF, OR) in the form of a joke telling program.
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[20:49] <[Saint]> She got a HUGE giggle out of independently finding out about indefinite looping.
[20:49] <[Saint]> ie. 10 PRINT "foo"; 20 GOTO 10
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, RTB supports turtle graphics...
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[20:50] <[Saint]> Does anyone still *have* one of those?
[20:50] <[Saint]> I know I do...somewhere.
[20:50] <[Saint]> Its in a box. I know that much.
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], I tried to teach/show scratch to my 5 year old niece last week...
[20:51] <[Saint]> ellipsis leads me to believe it didn't go well?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> maybe I was trying too hard.. she's not got that good a grasp of numbers yet though.
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[20:51] <[Saint]> 5yo's and Python...I dunno.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I did some turtle graphics in scratch with her - the concept of 360 degrees in a circle was a bit much to grasp - but it was also confusing as she's just learning about clocks and reading the time.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> if only scratch had "clock" angles (which RTB does)
[20:52] <[Saint]> Hahahahaha! snap!
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[20:52] <[Saint]> My neice has no idea about degrees of a circle either.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> ie. turn (15) rather than turn (90)
[20:52] <[Saint]> And only a vague concept of their being 12 points on a clock.
[20:52] <[Saint]> I am infuriated with her mother over this.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> still the achievement of getting her to ride her bike without stabilisers was "unlocked" :-)
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> mummy here is an iDevice mummy ...
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[20:53] <[Saint]> Mind you, her mother is 22 (yah...I know... 22 w/ 5yo daughter, welcome to NZ folks!) and has no idea how to read analogue clocks either.
[20:54] <[Saint]> And refuses to learn.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> oh well...
[20:54] <[Saint]> So, has no ability to transfer the knowledge she doesn't have to her daughter
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> just be the evil/mad/funny/clever uncle like me :)
[20:54] <[Saint]> Already there. ;))
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> her conversational and reading skills are very good though. also singing.
[20:55] <[Saint]> Sounds like they're in reasonably similar stages of development.
[20:55] <[Saint]> Not entirely surprising.
[20:55] <[Saint]> I've just got her off training wheels on her bicycle too.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> my sister in-law is mid 40's.
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> I have one of these watches:
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.tokyoflash.com/en/watch_museum/pimp/pimpinainteasypu/
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> It's actually not as hard to read as it looks
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> I have one of these: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11734
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> although it's currently in bits and I need to cut a new 'case' for it.
[20:58] <[Saint]> My Moto360 has a binary face.
[20:58] <[Saint]> I love it.
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> Nice
[20:58] <[Saint]> Ms. [Saint] has no idea how it could possibly be a clock and maintains I'm just guessing.
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> I don't wear a watch normally though.
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> Not too keen on binary watches if I'm honest, which is why I went with this one
[20:58] <[Saint]> ...with great accuracy.
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> It's analogue with a dash of digital
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> the big-time one is good at geek meets or with young people.
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[20:59] * [Saint] now wonders how he might be aqble to subconsciously teach the SIL to read analogue time
[20:59] <[Saint]> Every attempt is met with resistance.
[20:59] <[Saint]> So I need to be subtle about it.
[20:59] <bobinas86> yo!!
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> I guess SDL2 won't get into apt-get until the OpenGL ES/OpenGL problems are sorted
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> I did wonder why it wasn't in there yet
[21:00] <[Saint]> I really don't get how hard it is for a 22yo woman to understand. "The little hand is on the...what? And the big hand is on...what? So, that makes it...what o'clock?"
[21:00] <[Saint]> "...donnu."
[21:00] <[Saint]> *dunno
[21:01] <[Saint]> I swear she's just not trying. She's clearly capable.
[21:01] <[Saint]> She can work out GST in her head for purchase orders.
[21:01] <[Saint]> ...time? Bah. WHo needs time.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> brought up in a digital world.
[21:01] * [Saint] nods
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[21:01] <e^ipi> i don’t really get digital watches
[21:02] <e^ipi> watches are jewelry and digital watches look like crap, generally
[21:02] <ozzzy> I had a Bulova Computron back in the 70s
[21:02] <[Saint]> Rather hilariously, she can't read /all/ digital clocks either.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> I had one in the 70's. it was cool. tiny LED display. button to push to light them up for 1.5 seconds. battery to replace every 3 months )-:
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[21:02] <[Saint]> She has zero concept of 24h/military timing.
[21:02] <bobinas86> i'm cross compiling the linux kernel and i'v been asked for the (toolchain)-size program...
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> ozzzy, Ohh.. My grandpa had the Bulovia Accutron...
[21:03] <[Saint]> My BIL has the Accutron II
[21:03] <[Saint]> So. Damn. Expensive.
[21:03] <ozzzy> the computron was gold, had a garnet 'window' and red LED numbers behind it. two batteries (good for about 6 months)
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> wish I'd inherited it when he died...
[21:04] <[Saint]> An original, working, Accutron fetches rather a lot these days.
[21:04] <bobinas86> is there like an env var for the (toolchain)-size program?
[21:04] <[Saint]> Like those bloody Casio digital watches with the full keyboard and input stylus.
[21:04] <[Saint]> They fetch a pretty penny for working models.
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[21:05] <ozzzy> I bought a Rolex Submariner in 82... and wore it for 15 years
[21:05] * [Saint] has an "fake" atomic clock in the lounge room.
[21:05] <[Saint]> It syncs its time from a real atomic clock.
[21:05] <ozzzy> my watch does that now
[21:06] <ozzzy> every night... between 2 and 4am.... listens to Ft. Collins and adjusts itself
[21:06] * [Saint] nods
[21:06] <[Saint]> http://leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/
[21:06] <[Saint]> A giggle if you've never seen it.
[21:06] <[Saint]> "atomic wristwatch"
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[21:07] <[Saint]> There's also this hilarious thing: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/846511652/the-worlds-first-true-atomic-wristwatch-the-cesium
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> looks like it didn't meet target...
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> oh, no - I mis-read it. they did reach target.
[21:12] * [Saint] nods
[21:12] <[Saint]> they completed 1000 units iirc.
[21:12] <[Saint]> Ladt I head they were going to do another run.
[21:12] <[Saint]> *last
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> who's he talking to? it's a weird format for a video interview.
[21:17] <[Saint]> Indeed it is.
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[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> Cool
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> So the release version of SDL2 (v2.0.3) works with OpenGL ES
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> You just need to disable OpenGL and maybe X11
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> compute module camera adapter boards: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=2433318&_requestid=135665
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> hm. what else can I get from farnell to get to my free delivery of �30 limit..
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> oh, it's �20.
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[21:36] <NedScott> MotionPie does not like my wifi dongle
[21:36] * NedScott grumbles
[21:37] <NedScott> I guess I could just try MotionEye on top of a normal Raspbian install.
[21:39] <[Saint]> Its fairly resource intensive.
[21:39] <[Saint]> I wouldn't try using it on to of Raspbian personally.
[21:39] <[Saint]> I would opt for a more minal setup personally. Perhaps Arch/openbox
[21:40] <[Saint]> *on top of
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[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> Weee avg FPS = 600
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, did you have an SDL1.2 code to compare?
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[22:26] <Sonny_Jim> No and strangely my FPS code doesn't seem to work with the software renderer
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[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> Also, yup. Just --disable-video-opengl and that'll get opengles working with SDL2
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[22:38] <grammoboy> can I backup using dd from within raspbian?
[22:39] <grammoboy> or should stuff be umounted?
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[22:42] <Jusii> atleast read-only
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[22:47] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[22:47] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon: I hope this is wrong, but I went from 2fps up to around 600fps when switching to a hardware renderer
[22:48] <Sonny_Jim> The reason why I thought my FPS calculation was broken under software rendering was because it was taking so long....
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[22:56] <CuriosTiger> So I finally got to play with a Raspberry Pi last night. It appears plugging in a Microsoft USB mouse destabilized it.
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[22:56] <CuriosTiger> (Tried both the RiscOS, Raspian and Pidora images.)
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[23:14] <shiftplusone> 'destabilized'?
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[23:15] <Sonny_Jim> Broke it
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, thanks for that.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, I just poke pixels at the screen - no rendering as such, but I hope stuff like block-moves for sprites can be gone more in the GPU than via the ARM.
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> Also, I think you do have to disable x11 as well (but OpenGL ES works under X so that's ok)
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[23:57] <Za-Lord> I just put raspbian wheezy on an sd card and ssh'd into the pi. I can't update (permission denied). Can't sudo (command not found) and can't use su, because no root password is set.. what is going on?
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[23:58] <Sonny_Jim> Sounds like a broken filesystem
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> Za-Lord, sounds like some sort of corruption as you would normally be able to sudo.
[23:59] <Za-Lord> I tried again on a separate sd card, same issue.
[23:59] <Za-Lord> my image bad or something?
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[23:59] <Za-Lord> trying to do this headless cause I don't have anything with hdmi port right now
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