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IRC Log for 2014-10-28

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[0:07] <WACOMalt> Man, I have had a productive day so far :D
[0:08] <WACOMalt> learning Python started today and I just created a Bitcoin POS system in one day
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[0:17] <Sonny_Jim> How long does it take for a Pi to boot?
[0:18] <WACOMalt> testing my B+
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[0:19] <WACOMalt> 48 seconds for my B+ to boot into raspbian desktop
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[0:22] <shiftplusone> Depends on what you're booting to.
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[0:24] <shiftplusone> Pi itself is on pretty much instantly. Linux takes about 5 seconds to load + a few seconds for usb and other devices to get enumerated. You can drop into a shell straight after that. However, an init system typically kicks in and can take about 10-20 seconds more, depending on the init system in question and enabled services. Then X and the DE will take a few seconds too.....
[0:24] <shiftplusone> In other words... it depends.
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[0:35] <niston> is there I2C available on the upper GPIOs 28..45 ?
[0:36] <shiftplusone> check the peripherals manual
[0:37] <shiftplusone> When you say 28-45.... that's broadcom numbers, or what?
[0:37] <shiftplusone> Well, I guess it would be... silly question
[0:39] <shiftplusone> 44 and 45 can be used as I2C1, by the looks of it. Assuming they are not used for their other functions.... which they might be.
[0:41] <shiftplusone> Of course, if you know what you're doing, you can just use I2C0 on 28-29
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[0:44] <shiftplusone> So.... I'd consult the schematics to check which of the available i2c pins are used for what and how you can get around it.
[0:44] <shiftplusone> Anyway.... enough talking to myself like a crazy person.
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[0:47] <ShorTie> na
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[1:09] <niston> eh
[1:09] <niston> yeah :P
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[1:56] <peppiAFK> je;;p
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[1:56] <peppi> hello
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[1:58] <TomBlues> hi
[1:59] <peppi> anyone here used git on the pi?
[1:59] <peppi> I have git installed and am trying to pull from a repository
[1:59] <peppi> not sure the commands
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[2:00] <methuzla> take a look here: http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/
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[2:03] <peppi> methuzla: wow that was easy
[2:03] <peppi> thanks
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[2:03] <TomBlues> cool tutorial, will have a look at it too
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[2:06] <TomBlues> Hey, something else. I tried to install OpenElec yesterday, but noobs always hung up at 65%. I thought maybe it might be a problem with the SD Card?
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[2:10] <UnnamedUser> Need help with a bash script. I have a variable m that I need to trim the last 10 characters off. I tried f=${m:0:-10} but the I get an error "bad substitution".
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[2:15] <ozzzy> tblake3, tried using cut
[2:17] <ozzzy> something like f=`echo var | rev | cut -c 11- | rev`
[2:17] <ozzzy> or do you want to do it all in BASH
[2:18] <tblake3> bash is the goal
[2:18] <tblake3> I've done it before but I lost the script to a failed sd card.
[2:18] <pksato> tblake3: no need -10, only 10. f=${m:0:10}
[2:19] <pksato> ah last.
[2:19] <pksato> not begin.
[2:19] <ozzzy> m="abcdefg"; f=${m:0:-10} should work
[2:19] <ozzzy> er... but m wouldn't be abcdefg of course
[2:21] <tblake3> f=${m:0:10} or f=${m:0:-10}, either way I get a bad substitution.
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[2:29] <methuzla> what's the first line of your script?
[2:29] <pksato> m=1234567890abcfef; echo ${m: -6}
[2:30] <methuzla> insert: #!/bin/bash
[2:30] <pksato> just need to correct interpret manual
[2:30] <methuzla> as your first line, and try again
[2:31] <tblake3> damn. first line was #!bin/sh not #!bin/bash
[2:32] <tblake3> fixed everything.
[2:36] <Darkwell> hmm did a apt-get remove --dry-run --auto-remove --purge libx11-.*
[2:37] <Darkwell> and a apt-get remove --auto-remove --purge libx11-.*
[2:38] <Darkwell> intenstion is to get rid of x an most related to it...
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[2:39] <paul2520> Darkwell: that's what I did
[2:40] <Darkwell> now i tested doing a apt-get install nmap .. just to find out that the manager seems to try to install x stuff again... how do you prevent that from happening
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[2:41] <pksato> Darkwell: remove all dependencies
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[2:42] <Darkwell> not an apt-get expert ...
[2:43] <pksato> try. apt-get -f remove
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[2:46] <Darkwell> same prob still... 87 file wanting to be installed...
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[2:48] <pksato> Darkwell: need to remove main dependencies, need to guess that is.
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[3:25] <gcganley> is anyone having trouble building a cross compiler for GHC on alarm?
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[3:26] <gcganley> i want to run a web server built using haskell but i can figure out how to properly deploy it
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[4:40] <niston> tee hee
[4:40] <niston> http://i.imgur.com/J6y17OZ.png
[4:41] <kookie> oh yeah much better, I love it...
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[4:41] <kookie> ever seen this site? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_interface
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[4:45] <kookie> well.... I meant this one, sorry.... appdb.winehq.org
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[4:50] <kookie> niston, I am abnormal, nicked kookie
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[5:01] <niston> oh
[5:01] <niston> hi
[5:01] <niston> *waves*
[5:01] <kookie> lol
[5:01] <kookie> took you that long, eh?
[5:02] <niston> good schemaic?
[5:02] <niston> yeah im slow :P
[5:02] <kookie> yeah... I love it
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[5:03] <niston> http://imgur.com/Fut2yZk
[5:03] <niston> :>
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[5:04] <kookie> saw that one yesterday...
[5:05] <niston> i splitted it up
[5:05] <niston> so i can has drawing much easier
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[5:06] <kookie> agree.. nice tho...
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[5:10] <nsgn> well, I downloaded the maynard stuff. no errors in the install but when i run it by just typing "maynard" as they say to do my screen goes black and that's the end.
[5:10] <nsgn> Fresh load of raspbian. Not end of world - just wanted to toy with it - but if anyone has any quick ideas for what is wrong it would still be fun to try it out.
[5:13] <kookie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/preview-the-upcoming-maynard-desktop/
[5:15] <nsgn> kookie, The link on that page for the packages is what I used. They loaded without issue but just display black for me. Oh well.
[5:15] <nsgn> These doofy monitors I have are an odd resolution. Maybe it doesn't like that.
[5:15] <kookie> can you scroll down and see if anyone has similar issue?
[5:17] <nsgn> Nobody there seems to. Not sure why my pi is special
[5:18] <kookie> ok then I guess I don't know about it tho... I use raspbian on all my pi's so I would not know...
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[5:23] <nsgn> As do I. Raspbian is the underlying distro used in any case (unless you're running arch or something)
[5:23] <nsgn> This is on a fresh raspbian install
[5:23] <nsgn> But it's cool. Was really just to toy with. Thx for trying.
[5:24] <kookie> yw
[5:24] <kookie> I also have a BBB
[5:24] <nsgn> Speaking of arch, I've actually never tried it on a pi. I think I'm going to
[5:25] <nsgn> I'll make that the experiment tonight instead
[5:25] <kookie> suggestion: get another pi to try it on...
[5:27] <nsgn> Does it murder pis?
[5:27] <nsgn> Because if not it doesn't matter one bit to me. I reflash pi SD cards quite regularly for various projects. Probably have 4 or 5 pis
[5:29] <kookie> no... just easier to have one working and one to play on...
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[5:30] <nsgn> kookie, Oh I don't use the pi for anything daily. That's what my regular computer is for. The Pis are for special projects or fooling around.
[5:31] <kookie> ok be careful... don't short any of those pins out...
[5:32] <nsgn> such caution. the pi is for learning :)
[5:33] <nsgn> But I've not yet killed any of my pis despite some of them being crammed into outdoor installations for a month or two in a project
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[5:36] <kookie> lol
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[6:06] <nsgn> Well, got arch loaded..and it seems to repeatedly think my keyboard and mouse are being plugged in and removed. No such issue 10 minutes ago when raspbian was running..odd..
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[6:31] <unixfreak> how do i get information about the microsd card? usually, i'd run "hdparm -i /dev/<disk>" but it throws errors for /dev/mmcblk0 assuming hdparm cannot read microsds?
[6:32] <unixfreak> usually* (as in typical linux installation)
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[8:57] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[9:00] <niston> moin
[9:00] <niston> http://i.imgur.com/PiqkWVs.png
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[9:02] <gordonDrogon> that's ... a schematic...
[9:03] <niston> LAN7500 based GigE
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> with a USB interface?
[9:04] <niston> yep
[9:04] <niston> im scheming up a baseboard for the CM
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> ok
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> is it worth Gb when the USB is 420Mb/sec ?
[9:06] <niston> still >100mbps
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> sure.
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[10:45] <tero> hi everyone
[10:45] <tero> what kind of battery would I need to power rpi for one week? one month?
[10:45] <tero> is this even possible?
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[10:53] <Dr_Dornon> Question! I downloaded some files for my WiFi adapter and moved them to the root of my SD card. How can I access those files on my pi now? I can't seem to find where they are located.
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> tero, just do the sums - if you assume 5 watts for the Pi, then it's 1 amp - so a typical car battery of 45 Ah would last 45 hours or nearly 2 days. And so on.
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> in practice is less than 5W but that builds in a good margin.
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I have a 15Ah USB charger which runs a Pi for 24 hours. (or a B+ for nearly 36 hours)
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> Dr_Dornon, they may be in /boot if you moved them there from a Win/Mac ...
[10:56] <Dr_Dornon> That's what I thought, but they aren't there
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> are you sure the adapter isn't supported by Linux anyway?
[10:57] <Dr_Dornon> It is. I got an Edimax ew-7811un
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[10:57] <Dr_Dornon> I'm a linux noob, so I'm trying to figure out how to get it working
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[10:59] <Dr_Dornon> But nevermind I got it :)
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[11:05] <Bhaal> Is the any chance the Pi camera will ever have an ISO lower than 100?
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> as I suspect it would require a different sensor... I suspect not.
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[11:11] <Sonny_Jim> You are very suspcious gordonDrogon
[11:12] <Bhaal> I keep thinking he is gordon gordon...
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> suspicious of what?
[11:13] <Bhaal> Sooo, the "Features" listed on the ovt.com site say the sensor has programmable AGC control, yet, there is no provision for that in the driver :(
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> too many gordons...
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[11:14] <Sonny_Jim> suspect everything ;-)
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, are you sure that's not being controlled by a combination of brightness/saturation ?
[11:15] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: I am talking about the analog and digital gains
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[11:15] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: That change all the time when taking images depending on the light...
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> well you have the source to raspistill...
[11:16] * Bhaal doesn't use raspistill
[11:16] <Bhaal> And those gains cannot be set with raspistill
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[11:24] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Did I show you my nearest city at night? This is from a Pi camera doing a 2second exposure http://www.weathercamnetwork.com.au/new_farm.html
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[11:27] <gordonDrogon> not bad. I'm 30 miles from anything that resembles a city here..
[11:28] <Bhaal> Ahhh that camera is about 25km away from my house, that's at another host's place ... It's my python code that takes the images though...
[11:29] <Bhaal> But I have no direct access to it, just showing you something pretty done with a Pi camera...
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[11:29] <gordonDrogon> I've not done that much with mine yet - other than a video of them digging up my street and my laser cutter in action.
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[11:30] <ShorTie> oh my Bhaal, how can you go to sleep with all those lights on
[11:30] <Bhaal> Ahhh the only use I have for them is either weather cams or cctv cameras, which I haven't set them up as yet, getting to that though...
[11:30] * ShorTie snickers
[11:30] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Easy, I turn the monitor off :)
[11:31] <ShorTie> no, i ment outside, lol.
[11:31] <Bhaal> ShorTie: I wish I lived there
[11:31] <Bhaal> My cameras are somewhat more boring at night...
[11:32] <Bhaal> ShorTie: As said, I live about 25km to the north of the city
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[11:32] <ShorTie> i know, i was just kidding
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[11:33] <Bhaal> :)
[11:33] <Bhaal> This is the view from above the city http://www.weathercamnetwork.com.au/mount_coottha.html
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[11:33] <Bhaal> The New Farm camera and that Mt Coot-tha camera are the only cameras running 2second exposures, the rest of the pi cameras are 6 seconds...
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[11:34] <Bhaal> Not that ALL the cameras in the network are Pi cameras... Most at not... they are Olympus cameras or some such
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[11:34] <Bhaal> It's not my network, I am just helping the guy with the Pi cameras
[11:35] <Bhaal> There is also a LOT of smoke in the sky at the moment, a number of bush fires burning in the area thanks to lightning strikes last night
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> I used to do lots of low-light photography back in my film days. not really done much since I switched to digital.
[11:49] <chris_99> Are there any lights on the Pi, i can twiddle?
[11:49] <chris_99> (in order to know which Pi i am talking to via ssh)
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[11:49] <ShorTie> film is the best, infinate resolution
[11:49] <chris_99> that's not true
[11:49] <chris_99> it still has a resolution
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, B or B+ ?
[11:50] <chris_99> B
[11:50] <chris_99> ShorTie, look at lp/mm ;)
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, you can twiddle the ACT LED. or just look at the Ethernet lights
[11:50] <chris_99> ah nice cheers
[11:50] <chris_99> can i do that via proc?
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, yes, or if you have wiringPi installed via the gpio command.
[11:51] <chris_99> okey pokey, ta
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> the ACT/OK LED is BCM_GPIO 16 on a B.
[11:51] <chris_99> i'll post a piccy at some point, i've got ten little pis connected together with standoffs :)
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> so: echo none > /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger ; gpio -g write 16 1
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> it's inverted, so writing 1 turns it off.
[11:52] <chris_99> heh odd
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> it's wired gpio -> R -> LED -> +3.3v
[11:53] <chris_99> ah
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> not uncommon in sole older microcontrollers to wire leds, etc. that way as some of the older chips can sink more current than they can source. Pi is equal both ways.
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, not quite infinite - you're limited by the grain size on film which is similar to the noise that appears on digital sensors on long exposures...
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> I still have all my old film kit. absolutely worthless now.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> should have gotten rid of it when it was worth something...
[11:58] <chris_99> nah, keep, it's fun :)
[11:59] <chris_99> developing b&w is quite enjoyable
[12:01] <ShorTie> a linux file with a .a extension is the result of compiling a program correct ??
[12:02] <shiftplusone> seems to be a library, if I'm not mistaken
[12:02] <shiftplusone> static library to be exact
[12:03] <ShorTie> but doesn't it come from compiling ??
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> it comes from linking
[12:04] <ShorTie> i'm just wondering if something compiled linux32 would work on the pi
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> which you may do via the gcc command, but can also do via the ld command.
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[12:06] <ShorTie> so if it is linked against a linux32 compile, then it may not work right with a pi ??
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[12:14] <Sonny_Jim> What's Linux32?
[12:17] <ShorTie> linux 32 bit, as aposed to linux64, 64 bit
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> intel architecture. So No, it's not possible.
[12:18] <Sonny_Jim> So you are asking if a static library compiled against a totally different architecture will work?
[12:18] <Sonny_Jim> No it won't
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[12:19] <ShorTie> ok, that is what i was thinking, Thankz
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[12:20] <tchap> Hello all ! Any RPi.GPIO (Python lib) expert around here ? I'm having a problem with a B+ gpio pin that works ok, except when I try to attach a callback to it (via add_event_detect)
[12:20] <Sonny_Jim> iirc file filename will tell you what architecture something was compiled for
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[12:21] <ShorTie> oh really, nifty, did not know that
[12:22] <ShorTie> i'm really just a home brewed noob on all this stuff, you know, learn as you go
[12:23] <ShorTie> trying to learn what i need at the time i need i guess you would say
[12:23] <Sonny_Jim> What library is it anyway?
[12:23] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Welcome to my life since 1996 :)
[12:23] <Bhaal> 1994 actually
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[12:28] <ShorTie> the arm-none-eabi-gcc stuff that i guess has been cross compiled on a intel 32 for use with the arduino ide for sam processures, like libsam_sam3x8e_gcc_rel.a
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[12:31] <Sonny_Jim> Generally, we say x86 rather than intel 32
[12:31] <Sonny_Jim> Or do we, I dunno
[12:31] <Sonny_Jim> x86 is the instruction set/architecture anyway
[12:31] <Sonny_Jim> 32/64bits just refers to how big a number it can work with
[12:32] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[12:32] <Sonny_Jim> (in one instruction)
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[12:40] <ShorTie> true, but i do know that stuff compiled x86-64 will not work in x86 without setting up a chroot and running it in there
[12:41] <ShorTie> i guess that is why i was thinking along the same lines with the arm/x86 was true also
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[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> iirc, 64bit CPUs are backwards compatible with 32bit CPUs. CPUs of different architectures (like arm/x86) generally aren't binary compatible at all
[12:46] <Sonny_Jim> Unless you do the Apple thing of having a 'universal binary'
[12:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> Is the Raspberry forums begin very slow for people or is it just me
[12:48] <ShorTie> just i know that, but only if the os is setup 32 bit
[12:48] <shiftplusone> RaTTuS|BIG, no issues here
[12:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk it's just one of my mahcines - probaly needs a bigger poke
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[12:50] <ShorTie> pull the string tighter or get a bigger rope, hehe.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> RaTTuS|BIG, seems ok to me ..
[12:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> thnaks both - only seems to be an issue with one of my mahcines - it is however the one that I'm using most
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[12:55] <Bhaal> ahem... Scorpian <-> NCIS: Los Angeles cross over!??
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[13:15] <ShorTie> which is a spinoff of NCIS
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[13:20] <Bhaal> I haven't been watching NCIS LA... Was there some kind of introduction that I have missed?
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[13:22] <ShorTie> heck, now there is a NCIS New Orleans
[13:23] <Bhaal> There is
[13:23] <Bhaal> it's not to bad
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[13:27] <Bhaal> Check out the smoke floating across the city... Crazy! http://www.weathercamnetwork.com.au/timelapse.large.html?date=10282014&s1h=7&s1m=20&s1p=pm&s2h=10&s2m=30&s2p=pm&cam=mount_coottha
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit grey here: http://www.dartcom.co.uk/webcam (about 12 miles from where I am)
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[14:18] <MY123> Eric Anholt's driver doen't work...
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[15:04] <EEight> is there a tool to see the GPU (something like top / htop for the GPU)?
[15:05] <EEight> i am using a shader with the camerapi and it looks very slow (the fps of the camera)
[15:08] <MY123> EEight: vcdbg
[15:09] <MY123> (VideoCore DeBuG)
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[15:12] <MY123> EEight: It outputs gnuplot files
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[15:13] <MY123> ( with CPU and RAM usage per process as the GPU runs a full-blown RTOS)
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[15:17] <esc> what is the recommended GPU/CPU split for headless devices?
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[15:20] <shiftplusone> 16
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[15:21] <esc> kay
[15:21] <esc> and one more question
[15:21] <esc> I have a 4GB card
[15:22] <esc> i haven't really installed anything but am running low on disk-space
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[15:22] <esc> nevermind
[15:22] <shiftplusone> take a look at raspbian-ua-netinst
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[15:22] <shiftplusone> or remove java and wolfram-engine
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[15:23] <esc> maybe X also
[15:23] <esc> yeah, a netinst would be sweet
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[15:26] <esc> shiftplusone: that netinst looks like what I would want
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[15:27] <shiftplusone> yeah, it's nifty.
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[15:55] <esc> so now that I have all these devices at home, does anyone have a recommendation for a lightweight alternative to Nagios?
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[16:06] <nid0> whats wrong with nagios?
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[16:19] <esc> nid0: bit too heavyweight for my liking
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[16:39] <netpork> hi all, i am having problems with raspberry pi b+ and pctv usb stick. with new kernel i always get "error during firmware upload". any hints?
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[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> Does dmesg tell you anything?
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> Wouldn't be surprised if you had to provide a firmware file for it
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[16:48] <netpork> yeah, i have two firmware files, everything worked okay on rpi b.
[16:49] <netpork> as i said, errors are: as10x_usb: error during firware upload part1
[16:50] <netpork> i have already updated drivers, no luck still
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[16:55] <WACOMalt> Hi folks
[16:56] <WACOMalt> Wondering would a 2.1A power pack made to charge an ipad work for rPi and delivery the full 2.1A?
[16:56] <ozzzy> WACOMalt, current is drawn not delivered
[16:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/commit/719ac36e09bbc30350e978a20c2828245222feed intersting ......
[16:56] <WACOMalt> question still stands
[16:56] <ozzzy> if the pi draws 700mA then it doesn't matter if the power pack CAN deliver 2.1A
[16:56] <WACOMalt> *and allow the full 2.1A to be drawn?
[16:57] <ozzzy> what else other than the Pi do you want to power with it
[16:57] <WACOMalt> the question then, is if the RPi tries to get 2Amp, will it work
[16:57] <WACOMalt> just the Pi, nothing else
[16:57] <ozzzy> the Pi won't... it has a 750mA polyfuse
[16:57] <WACOMalt> I thought the B+ could draw up to 2Amp
[16:57] <ozzzy> ahh... you didn't say B+
[16:57] <ozzzy> I know nothing about them
[16:58] <WACOMalt> kk sorry for omitting that important info
[16:58] <WACOMalt> I assume whatever my phone charger, which is 5v 2Amp, does along with my phone to allow it to pull 2a will also happen for the Pi
[16:59] <WACOMalt> and that apple isnt using some special proprietary standard to open that...
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[16:59] <WACOMalt> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BB5GR0A/ This is the one I'm looking at.
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[17:00] <WACOMalt> I doubt my setup will ever draw the max 2Amp anyways. only gonna have a wifi dongle and LCD screen (rated about around 210mA)
[17:00] <methuzla> you should be able to run a pi from that
[17:00] <ozzzy> the polyfuse on the B+ limites to 2A
[17:00] <ozzzy> so there's your answer
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[17:01] <ozzzy> er... limits
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[17:37] <gnar> http://youtu.be/LEmvbnCogK0?t=1m29s
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[17:41] <WACOMalt> So, I'm adding external LEDs to my case for power and ACT
[17:41] <WACOMalt> power was easy, 5v and gnd on the GPIO header
[17:41] <WACOMalt> how can I do ACT?
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[17:42] <WACOMalt> Separately I notice my HDMI port is getting really really hot even when unused
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[17:44] <WACOMalt> aaand now my Pi wont turn on :|
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[17:46] <WACOMalt> dang... I dont know what I did
[17:47] <WACOMalt> wont turn on. within 3 seconds of plugging it in the processor gets builing hot to the touch
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[17:47] <ShorTie> sounds like it's fried
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> WACOMalt, did you check 5v going to the right pins? maybe you swapped them..
[17:50] <WACOMalt> I was not supplying power to the pins
[17:50] <WACOMalt> power was coming from the standard USB micro port
[17:51] <WACOMalt> and as for the LED, I had the proper resister on the positive side of the LED hooked to the 5v pin
[17:51] <WACOMalt> the cathode was on GND
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> sure it was 5v then?
[17:52] <WACOMalt> yes
[17:53] <WACOMalt> with the pi USB ports facing me, the top right, second from the top pin
[17:53] <WACOMalt> is 5v
[17:53] <WACOMalt> correct?
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> ok. back to basics. unplug everything. check the board. make sure no bits of wire touching, etc. then power it up with an SD card and video connected - power via the micro USB port ...
[17:53] <WACOMalt> just did that. never any video signal
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea which one is 5v - I've never looked that deeply into USB power.
[17:54] <WACOMalt> the green ACT light starts bright, then steps down dimmer, then once again to hardly visible
[17:54] <WACOMalt> and holds there
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> if the cpu/memory chips get too hot to touch within a minute then there probably is something wrong.
[17:54] <WACOMalt> gordonDrogon, I'm talking about the GPIO pins not USB pins. I have yet to power the Pi with anything other than standard microUSB plug
[17:55] <WACOMalt> gordonDrogon, it gets hot within 3 seconds, painfully so
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> ok. thought you said you were powering via usb.
[17:55] <WACOMalt> I am powering via USB
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> so what's on the GPIO?
[17:55] <WACOMalt> I had a LED attached
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[17:55] <WACOMalt> from 5v to Gnd pins of GPIO to act as an external power indicator light
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> you may have accidentally connected 5v to a Pi's GPIO pin, or to the 3.3v pin. the latter will almost certianly cause damage.
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> Bye bye my raspberry pi ... (sorry)
[17:58] <WACOMalt> you mean I may have connected the LED's - end to the wrong pin and thus pumped the 5v from the 5v pin into some random GPIO pin?
[17:58] <WACOMalt> I guess that's possible
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> it's possible - did the LED light?
[17:58] <WACOMalt> it did
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> then it was the right way round at least.
[17:59] <WACOMalt> granted, the LED lights even now
[17:59] <WACOMalt> because it's just power supply
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> most gpio pins come up as inputs at boot time though - the chances of hitting the one pin in input mode is slim...
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> what 2 pins are the LED connected to?
[17:59] <WACOMalt> 5v and GND
[17:59] <WACOMalt> I dont know the numbers or anything
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> ok - check this: http://wiringpi.com/pins/ to make sure
[18:00] <WACOMalt> my LED is on pins 4 and 6
[18:00] <WACOMalt> according to this: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-b-gpio-header-details-and-pinout/
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> that should be ok then.
[18:01] <methuzla> for now, remove everything from the GPIO header
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> so who knows. if that's all you've done .. however if the SoC is getting that hot that fast, I suspect the damage is done.
[18:01] <WACOMalt> done and done
[18:01] <WACOMalt> well, ordering a new Pi now. Dont have time to try to fix this one right now
[18:03] <methuzla> what was the actual value of the resistor you used with the LED?
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[18:04] <WACOMalt> 100ohm
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> that's low, but not something that'll short the supply out.
[18:05] <WACOMalt> https://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3496417&filterName=Price&filterValue=under+%243.99
[18:05] <WACOMalt> for this LED it calculated as the proper resistance
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> bright led!
[18:06] <WACOMalt> indeed :)
[18:06] <WACOMalt> it was gonn be placed behind a diffuser in the case
[18:07] <WACOMalt> *gonna
[18:07] <WACOMalt> *going to...
[18:09] <methuzla> ~3.1V forward voltage, so (5V - 3.1V) / 100ohm = 19 mA
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[18:09] <methuzla> that resistor seems notionally OK
[18:10] <methuzla> ignoring the LED for now. with nothing on the GPIO, does the pi still get hot?
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[18:13] <WACOMalt> yup
[18:13] <evilbug> is anyone here against one of those starter kits that comes with a case, charger, hdmi, etc.? i've seen them go around $30 and i'd definitley need to get a case and a power supply with a pi.
[18:13] <WACOMalt> nothing but USB and SD card
[18:13] <WACOMalt> evilbug, those kits can be very cost effective
[18:14] <WACOMalt> nothing against them. I wish I had bought one of the ones with case, heatsink, and LCD screen
[18:14] <evilbug> cool
[18:14] <WACOMalt> which one you looking at?
[18:14] <WACOMalt> Ordering Raspberry Pi with Bitcoin. Thats freedom right there lol
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[18:15] <WACOMalt> just ordered a replacement Pi B+, 3.5" LCD, Case, Wifi Dongle, and 12,000mAH battery pack.
[18:15] <evilbug> these two > http://is.gd/priTix and http://is.gd/jQdfnT
[18:16] <methuzla> WACOMalt: sorry, doesn't sound good, likely a short somewhere.
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[18:16] <WACOMalt> evilbug, and do these include the Pi?
[18:16] <evilbug> the thing is though it all would come up to nearly $75 after taxes and i'm pondering whether i should get a pi with that pack or just a simple ssd for my eeepc.
[18:16] <WACOMalt> ah
[18:16] <evilbug> WACOMalt: not at all, no. just accesories.
[18:17] <WACOMalt> that's up to you. Try to find the individual parts and add to card, just to see if it's a deal or not
[18:17] <WACOMalt> *cart
[18:17] <evilbug> i saw the case is $10 and i'm assuming the power supply will be another $10 so meh.
[18:18] <WACOMalt> cords and wifi dongle, yeah it;s probably a good deal
[18:18] <WACOMalt> well, now I'm leaving the broken Pi plugged in to see if it catches fire
[18:18] <WACOMalt> :/
[18:19] <evilbug> let it burn!
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[18:19] <evilbug> well i'd have it hardwired so no dongle required :D
[18:19] <WACOMalt> ah gotcha
[18:20] <WACOMalt> I have mine on wifi and battery pack, connect to it via RDP
[18:20] <jaf1230> I'm trying to interface with a water flow meter which works with a hall effect sensor. I have it working directly from my arduino, but nanpy doesn't support interrupts, so I'm wondering what other options I have. I was unable to get it working connected directly to the pi, but I might just not know what I'm doing there.
[18:20] <WACOMalt> trying to set it up with piratebox but my current wifi dongle was a failure
[18:22] <evilbug> WACOMalt: on the other hand the pi eats up a lot less power than my eeepc.
[18:22] <methuzla> what is the interface of the water flow meter? spi? i2c? other?
[18:22] <WACOMalt> true that. probably a lot less powerful though
[18:23] <WACOMalt> ok this thing has to be ready to melt it's solder. it's radiating heat almost a foot away now O_o
[18:23] <evilbug> WACOMalt: sure though so far i'm not doing anything too resource intensive with it. it's just a home server i ssh into running weechat and acting as a test web server.
[18:23] <jaf1230> methuzla: http://www.adafruit.com/product/833
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[18:23] <evilbug> WACOMalt: you need a heat suit, bro.
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[18:23] <evilbug> can't take the heat!
[18:24] <jaf1230> methuzla: every time the inner sensor rotates, the yellow line pulses
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> jaf1230, rpi.gpio supports interrupts, doesn't it?
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> jaf1230, or if you want to program in C then wiringPi certianly does (and I know of people using that very sensor with a Pi & wiringPi)
[18:25] <methuzla> so basically it's a raw pulse train that needs to be tracked/counted
[18:26] <jaf1230> gordonDrogon: I don't know C, I'm looking to work in Python. I don't know about rpi.gpio, but am checking it out now
[18:26] <methuzla> that'll be tricky to interface directly to a pi
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> jaf1230, rpi.gpio is the standard GPIO library for the Pi when using Python ...
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> methuzla, that's fairly trivial to the Pi - power, ground & pulse.
[18:26] <methuzla> you might be able to do it using the interrupt support in RPi.GPIO
[18:28] <methuzla> it looks like it only draws 15mA @ 5V so you could possibly power it from the pi
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> methuzla, it works fine from the Pi.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> no possibly about it.
[18:30] <methuzla> then hook the hall pulse to an io pin set to input with an interrupt
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[18:30] <methuzla> and do the counting in the interrupt handler
[18:30] <jaf1230> working on that now, thanks gordonDrogon and methuzla
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> the only thing to do is use a 2-resistor divider on the input pin, as it's 5v. (or 12v, or whatever you power it from)
[18:32] <methuzla> good point. input pulse should be 3.3v.
[18:36] <methuzla> jaf1230: check out Adafruit's kegomatic project
[18:36] <methuzla> looks like they interfaced a plastic version of the flow meter to a pi
[18:37] <WACOMalt> according to this thermometer, my Raspberry Pi is "Well Done"
[18:37] <WACOMalt> about 87" Celcius
[18:37] <jaf1230> I had looked at kegomatic a bit, I'll look into it again
[18:37] <methuzla> looks like they just used a simple polling loop to do the counting
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[18:50] <jaf1230> hm, looks like kegberry (formerly kegomatic) has an open ticket for request for RPi.GPIO support
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[19:08] <divx118> I want to do something similar to http://pihome.harkemedia.de/ control a cheap remote (from switching wall sockets) with the raspberry GPIO pins. Just wonder what the green board does which he has between the rpi and the remote. I was thinking about using some CD4066 analogue switch.
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[19:13] * divx118 never mind overlooked the line "FET platine"
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[19:15] <methuzla> green board appears to be just a bunch of transistors
[19:16] <methuzla> probably for connecting the 3.3v pi outputs to whatever is on the remote
[19:16] <methuzla> my guess
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[19:23] <divx118> methuzla: According to the name "FET platine" I think they are FET's to isolate the GPIO from the remote. (Been a long time since I studied electronics in school so I could be wrong)
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[20:53] <DoctorD90> hi guys :D exists matlab for raspberrypi? :D
[20:56] <freebeer> I wouldn't have thought so.
[20:57] <freebeer> but then i googled
[20:57] <freebeer> http://www.mathworks.co.uk/hardware-support/raspberry-pi-matlab.html
[20:57] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, nope, but there's mathematica, scilab and so on. Also, you can compile stuff for the raspberry pi
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[20:58] <DoctorD90> thx freebeer :)
[20:58] <freebeer> i think it's very limited as shiftplusone says
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[20:58] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, my professor, for my thesys, ask me to use matlab....ask....= i have to xD
[20:59] <shiftplusone> He told you to use matlab on the pi?
[20:59] <DoctorD90> i hoped in a some sort of "free" version for rpi :D
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[20:59] <DoctorD90> nono, to use matlab...i have hoped about something like mathematica free on pi :)
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[20:59] <shiftplusone> got it
[21:00] <shiftplusone> No, matlab is a bit of a beast. Takes a while to do certain things even on the desktop. And it's java-laden as well, so yeah, I wouldn't expect it to run.
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[21:03] <MrOrange> mathlabs?? terrible program, i drop any class that requires it.
[21:03] <VoidFox> might want to try out octave
[21:04] <freebeer> or a methlab :)
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[21:07] <DoctorD90> eh...guys...it doesnt depend by me xD
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[21:08] <shiftplusone> There are a number of open matlab alternatives which claim to be compatible with matlab. So you can write .m files and make sure they work, then run them at uni and fix whatever breaks.
[21:08] <DoctorD90> in all this, i have to find out mathlab xD .....this is my "great" issue...other than a good italian guide xP
[21:09] <shiftplusone> Unfortunately, they only support a small subset of matlab features and are generally terrible.
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[21:09] <DoctorD90> i have found out freelab8if i remeber rigth the name)
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[21:10] <DoctorD90> yea..for this i have thougth to a "complete" version of matbab trougth rpi :P
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[21:10] <hottentott> Hi, how do you edit the hdmi screen-resolution on the pi-wheezy-x-server?
[21:10] <DoctorD90> but, thx of all :P i have to find "some other vesion" of mathlab XD
[21:12] <hottentott> ,
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[21:14] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, there are "Free as in theft" versions which will run on the PC, but I wouldn't recommend it. Just use it at uni.
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[21:17] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, someone has invented VM xD i abuse of them xD
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[21:22] <hottentott> Anoybody'there?
[21:22] <shiftplusone> where?
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> there
[21:23] <hottentott> i dont know exactly, but out there
[21:23] <hottentott> yes there
[21:23] <shiftplusone> Nope, we're all here, not there. =S
[21:24] <hottentott> okay, good to know B-)
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[21:32] <jaf1230> I seem to have figured out how to read my meter from the pi thanks to rpi.gpio!
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[21:34] <shiftplusone> yay
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[21:41] <chris_99> what kind of meter?
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[22:02] <WACOMalt> Does anyone know of any example of a UnifiedPOS standard compliant POS system on raspberry pi?
[22:02] <WACOMalt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_of_sale#Hardware_interface_standardization_.28post_1980s.29
[22:02] <WACOMalt> I'm building a POS system and would like it to be able to talk to existing kiosks
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[22:12] <Bilby> WACOMalt did you get anything on that? I'm not sure if anyone's built a POS on top of a RasPi
[22:12] <Bilby> production POS need to be hella reliable
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[22:48] <zamba> recommended SD cards for the pi?
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[22:50] <shiftplusone> http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
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[22:55] <zlimvos> I have a poe switch near my raspberry, i should use it for power
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[22:57] <paul2520> zlimvos: would that work?
[22:57] <ShorTie> what kind of current and voltage does it output
[22:57] <Sonny_Jim> Not without modding the Pi
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[22:58] <shiftplusone> Eh? Just a regulator should be enough.
[22:58] <zlimvos> googling now, seems there are is some moding related
[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> shiftplusone: PoE isn't just "squirt power down the cable"
[22:59] <shiftplusone> I'd expect the hardware to handle the required squirting method.
[22:59] <zlimvos> 4. IS POWER OVER ETHERNET (POE) POSSIBLE? Not in the base device. There are adapters that would split the voltage off the Ethernet line before connecting to the Pi, but they are relatively expensive.
[22:59] <shiftplusone> Then you grab whatever comes out and convert it to 5v
[23:00] <zlimvos> from rpi faq
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[23:00] <shiftplusone> I think Davespice has a pi running from PoE, so he might be able to help if he's not too afk.
[23:01] <ShorTie> don't think there is any specific voltage for PoE, it is just the idea of using the 4 unused wires in a network cable to deliver power
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[23:02] <zlimvos> i think you are right, i remember controlling the voltage on cisco switches powering avaya and cisco phones (different for each)
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[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> ShorTie: You need to have a chip on the end that knows how to speak the PoE protocol
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> iirc, by default PoE equipment doesn't push voltage down until it sees something that it can talk to on the other end
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[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> You can do your own implementation, sure. But watch out for crosstalk/noise
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[23:05] <ShorTie> crosstalk/noise would come more from ac then dc would it not ??
[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> There is a reason why you have to use specific pairs on twisted pair cable, even when there's not high voltage going down it
[23:06] * Sonny_Jim grumbles something about T568-B
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[23:07] <plugwash> ShorTie, well theres ghetto POE and IEEE standard POE............
[23:07] <plugwash> and various old vendor specific standards too
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[23:08] <ShorTie> i believe it, not real up on it all
[23:10] <plugwash> IEEE standard PoE is fairly complex/expensive to implement on the device end :( the voltage is high, negotiation is needed before power will be delivered and if you care about following the standard you need an isolating converter
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[23:15] <shiftplusone> ah, fair enough
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[23:29] <ijustam> voltage is high?
[23:29] <ijustam> isnt it 48V
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> That's phantom voltage for mics
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Might be PoE as well, can't remember
[23:31] <ShorTie> depends, my wifi access point uses PoE, and you can use any dc supply from 12-24 volts with it, so i would guess no set standard
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> it's probably using simple injection PoE. ie. using the usused pairs in a 10/100 cable to provide power.
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> I plugged one of those into my very first Pi - it was being supplied with 18v... the Ethernet socket got hot and it smelt a bit...
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[23:40] <[Saint_]> gordonDrogon: lucky boy...
[23:40] <[Saint_]> You seem to be very lucky with suppplying high voltage to various parts of a pi. :)
[23:40] <[Saint_]> Must be blessed.
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[23:42] <ColMugsy> So I have a 3.5" LCD monitor I ripped out of a portable console, and there's no composite in (obviously), just a flex connector. Is it worth trying to figure out the flex connector pinout and try to make it work with my Pi?
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[23:43] <[Saint_]> ColMugsy: Considering how cheap LCD displays with composite in are these days...I think not.
[23:43] <Sonny_Jim> Most LCD panels use LVDS iirc
[23:43] <[Saint_]> You can buy 3.5"~4" backup display LCDS for ~$20
[23:43] <Sonny_Jim> Not sure if there's HDMI->LVDS convertors available
[23:44] <plugwash> IEEE standard PoE is 48V nominal (but with a fairly wide tolerance band)
[23:44] <[Saint_]> alibabba, ebnay, et al...lots of cheap LCD displays aimed at the automotive market.
[23:44] <[Saint_]> Just plug and go.
[23:44] <mervaka> I think there's HDMI->Hoselok coverters available
[23:44] <plugwash> ghetto PoE may be anything.........
[23:44] <chris_99> Mains over ethernet
[23:45] <[Saint_]> ColMugsy: Of course, there's also the time vs. effort vs. expense to take into consideration.
[23:45] <[Saint_]> If you're broke and have a lot of time on your hands...go for it.
[23:45] <ColMugsy> I'm both of those but not skilled
[23:45] <[Saint_]> If you've got ~$20 to spare, and are impatient, there's LOTS of displays available for cheap.
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[23:45] <plugwash> chris_99, well you hope that noone would be stupid enough to do that but I wouldn't bet my life on it
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[23:46] <Sonny_Jim> Oh and this is what a 237 million dollar firework looks like; https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8S4QfzryTRU#t=269
[23:46] <chris_99> yeah plugwash
[23:47] <plugwash> The highest voltage i've heard being used on a twisted pair comms system was BT's DACs system which put 140V down a phone pair
[23:47] <[Saint_]> Sonny_Jim: my particular favorite bit of that video is the way it just stops abruptly in mid air and decides "nope, gravity" and then politely reverses itself and explodes.
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> [Saint_], it just warmed up the magnetics in the socket a bit - nothing actually connected to the Pi's circuitry. That Pi still works :)
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[23:48] <[Saint_]> gordonDrogon: you're way too lucky in this regard. :)
[23:49] <[Saint_]> These little guys *are* very well built, though. I'll give 'em that.
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> I did subsequently replace that cable with a red one (and the other passive PoE ones I had) I used them to power little Alix boards I was using at the time.
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, woops. Just seen the news on that. Not good...
[23:53] <mervaka> them damn O rings again..
[23:53] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I was hanging around in the KSP channel, meant to watch the launch, tuned in literally a minute too late for the money shot
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