#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-10-29

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[0:10] <ColMugsy> So bear with me for a sec. I was looking at little monitors, and found this http://www.adafruit.com/products/913 which looks EXACTLY like the monitor I pulled. Is there any way to just get that control board and not the whole monitor?
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[0:10] <ColMugsy> I looked around on there and came up short, I was wondering if that was something standard
[0:13] <[Saint_]> That's all Ada's doing.
[0:13] <ColMugsy> Damn. Had a feeling
[0:13] <[Saint_]> If you could get it separately, one would posit it would be available via Adafruit.
[0:14] <[Saint_]> The PiTFT display is WELL worth a look.
[0:14] <[Saint_]> Nice little 3.5" touchscreen 240x320 TFT
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[0:20] <ColMugsy> Neat. Thanks for the suggestion
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[0:28] <WACOMalt> Bilby, well this POs system would be for bitcoin, but I want it to be able to handle signals from a standard kiosk, and convert from USD to BTC on the fly, then send to the LCD screen to show the QR code, it'll check on blockchain the transaction status, and once it's announced it will submit a succeeded payment signal back to the kiosk
[0:28] <WACOMalt> thankfully I dont have to handle credit cards or anything
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[0:29] <WACOMalt> I found and downloaded the source for the "UniversalPOS" standard code
[0:29] <WACOMalt> which should at least let me find what I'll need to emulate as far as IO is concerned with the kiosk
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[0:35] <irc_smirk> hello
[0:35] <abnormal> olleh
[0:35] * [Saint_] giggles at UniversalPOS
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[0:36] <[Saint_]> Its such a POS, its *the* Universal POS.
[0:36] <irc_smirk> hi
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[0:36] <irc_smirk> what is command line to get the current time the server believes it is?
[0:36] <[Saint_]> "the server"?
[0:37] <ShorTie> date
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[0:47] <NedScott> what do I install on the raspberry pi in order to pick up girls?
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[0:49] <chris_99> lol
[0:50] <NedScott> the answer is VIM
[0:50] <NedScott> if anyone is wondering
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[0:54] <abnormal> yeh, describe VIM?
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> I would've thought some strong motors and a pulley system
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[0:59] <[Saint_]> Magnets
[0:59] <[Saint_]> Feed 'em up on a iron first.
[0:59] <shiftplusone> Ah yeah
[1:00] * [Saint_] thinks of the X-men scene with Magneto and the prison gaurd and cringes.
[1:00] <shiftplusone> Note that these solutions are quite versatile, since they will pick up anyone or anything, so it exceeds the spec.
[1:00] <[Saint_]> That could go...badly.
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[1:15] <keyboSlice> if I have my pi 'ping' an api on my webserver (not on the home network) when it connects to the home network wifi, is there any way of storing a return address so that I can push messages to the pi from the server?
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[1:17] <keyboSlice> preferably without forwarding a port on the router to the pi before hand
[1:18] <shiftplusone> keyboSlice, I'd use ssh there
[1:19] <keyboSlice> would that still require me to forward a port on the router first though?
[1:19] <shiftplusone> nope
[1:19] <shiftplusone> looks up reverse ssh tunneling
[1:19] <keyboSlice> thank you very much
[1:19] <shiftplusone> np
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[1:23] <keyboSlice> that is excellent shiftplusone, that is exactly the sort of solution I was after thank you very much
[1:27] <shiftplusone> yay
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[2:14] <niston> shiftplusone where do I find the information on which bcm hardware pin has what alternate functions?
[2:15] <niston> you were referring something the other day
[2:15] <[Saint_]> http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
[2:16] <[Saint_]> that do you niston?
[2:16] <niston> looking
[2:16] <niston> yep thats perfect, thank you
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[2:21] <niston> hmm whats with those that are strike through?
[2:21] <niston> ie GPIO44
[2:21] <shiftplusone> niston, from the horse's mouth http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
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[2:22] <[Saint_]> I'll save that to.
[2:22] <[Saint_]> Much better, thanks.
[2:22] <[Saint_]> *too
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[2:22] <shiftplusone> the crossed out ones look like they're the ones which aren't exposed
[2:22] <plugwash> niston, read the text on the page
[2:22] <niston> ah so that doesnt apply to the CM
[2:22] <plugwash> Any GPIOs that aren't connected on the RaspberryPi Model B revision 2.0 circuit board are crossed out, and the GPIOs available on the GPIO Connector (P1) or P5 are in bold, with their default function (according to the schematics) in bold italics.
[2:23] <niston> yap can see it now
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[2:24] <niston> does that means the i2c on GPIO2/3 is the same as on GPIO 28/29?
[2:24] <niston> SDA/SCL 0
[2:24] <niston> err gpio 0/1
[2:24] <shiftplusone> the same in what way?
[2:24] <niston> gah
[2:24] <niston> both are SDA0, SCL0
[2:25] <niston> so presumably theres only two hardware i2c ports inside the soc?
[2:25] <niston> but routable to different gpio pin sets?
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[2:25] <shiftplusone> yes, but don't try to use I2C0 on the different sets of pins at once
[2:26] <niston> ok so
[2:26] <shiftplusone> if you enable them on 28/29, it won't work on 0/1, for example.
[2:26] <niston> my plan to use GPIO44/45 and 28/29 for dedicated i2c fails miserably
[2:26] <niston> yes
[2:27] <shiftplusone> you can multiplex it
[2:27] <niston> shouldn't touch sda/scl 0 I've read because its used by HATs?
[2:27] <shiftplusone> You wouldn't have HATs on a compute module
[2:27] <shiftplusone> HATs are a B+ thing.
[2:27] <niston> depends on the baseboard ;)
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[2:27] <shiftplusone> You can still use them, as long as you understand what's happening
[2:28] <niston> there's an EEPROM to be read afaik?
[2:28] <shiftplusone> The firmware uses I2C0 for its own things... Camera, Display, Hats and so on
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[2:28] <shiftplusone> whenever we need i2c on the firmware side, that's what we use
[2:28] <shiftplusone> And we multiplex it as well, so pin functions may change.
[2:28] <niston> I'm thinking about what i2c to use to attach a serial lcd
[2:28] <shiftplusone> i2c1
[2:29] <niston> looks like yeah
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[2:29] <shiftplusone> But i2c0 will work.... we just don't guarantee that we won't break it and the pins may wiggle at boot time.
[2:29] <niston> hehe
[2:30] <shiftplusone> If having all the i2c goodness on the compute becomes a requirement for many people, I can suggest adding a config.txt parameter to turn off I2C from the GPU side and leave it all to ARM.
[2:30] <shiftplusone> But I don't see why you'd need that, as multiplexing is a good option.
[2:30] <niston> so its used as on-chip bus inside the soc?
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[2:31] <shiftplusone> It's used for i2c gizmos controlled by the firmware, so the firmware will probe for those (maybe)
[2:32] <niston> which are those?
[2:32] <plugwash> IIRC I2C0 is used for the camera module and will be used for the touchscreen on the DSI display when that's released
[2:33] <niston> ah
[2:33] <shiftplusone> camera, touch screen, hat eeprom.... maybe other things in the future, I don't know.
[2:33] <plugwash> and it will also be used (with a different pinmuxing) for hat detection
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[2:34] <niston> so it really depends on the addresses
[2:35] <niston> if I use i2c0
[2:35] <niston> and it may break as you add stuff
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[2:35] <shiftplusone> probably not, but who knows.
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[2:37] <niston> multiplexing is done by additional gpio pins?
[2:37] <shiftplusone> even if there's an address conflict, I expect that the driver would read some sort of ID register to make sure that it's talking to the thing it thinks it's talking to. If the ID isn't right, it will just go on as usual, leaving your devices mostly untouched (aside from the read operation)
[2:37] <niston> sort of bus select signal?
[2:38] <shiftplusone> multiplexing is done simply by switching the pin functions. The 0/1 set become inputs and 28/29 become ALT1 (and vice versa)
[2:38] <niston> ah on the bcm
[2:38] <niston> is that supported by the driver?
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[2:39] <shiftplusone> in linux for i2c-1, you mean?
[2:39] <niston> yea
[2:39] <niston> so there would be a standard way of talking to some multiplexed bus
[2:40] <shiftplusone> right now you can just switch the pin functions using wiringpi or whatever you choose
[2:40] <niston> application layer
[2:40] <niston> hmm
[2:40] <niston> -.-
[2:40] <shiftplusone> but I recently stumbled across mux devices in the kernel source.
[2:40] <niston> i figure i might just as well connect my lcd and rtc to i2c0
[2:40] <shiftplusone> It looks easy to just add a mux driver which will do it for you
[2:40] <shiftplusone> then it will show up as 2 adapters (i2c-0 and i2c-1), but they would both be running off the one peripheral
[2:41] <niston> that would be nice though
[2:41] <shiftplusone> It's on the todo shelf, just not high priority.
[2:42] <shiftplusone> you know there are off the shelf i2c mux chips you can use.
[2:42] <shiftplusone> (as well)
[2:42] <shiftplusone> anyway.... lots of options...
[2:44] <niston> ah well
[2:44] <niston> muxing seems overkill to just add two devices
[2:44] <shiftplusone> niston, O_o
[2:45] <shiftplusone> I don't know what the limit is, but you can have lots of i2c devices on the one peripherals without many issues.
[2:45] <niston> yeah
[2:45] <shiftplusone> So what's the issue?
[2:46] <niston> preventing conflicts
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[2:47] <shiftplusone> Are you experiencing conflicts?
[2:48] <niston> nope :)
[2:49] <shiftplusone> ...well then >_<
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[2:55] <plugwash> the thing with I2C is you can have lots of different devices
[2:56] <plugwash> but if you want lots of the same device you quickly run out of usable IDs because most devices have a very limited ID selection available
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[2:57] <shiftplusone> Yup, but figuring out how to solve that problem when you only have two devices and... don't have the problem.... seems like solving a problem that doesn't exist.
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[4:00] <Sonny_Jim> Quaaaake
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[4:15] <gnar> http://youtu.be/LEmvbnCogK0?t=1m29s
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[4:16] * [Saint_] absolutely hates that culture
[4:17] <shiftplusone> not sure why you'd think this is the right channel for that.
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[4:17] <shiftplusone> what culture? O_o
[4:17] <[Saint_]> Offends someone with a hugely and deliberately racist "joke"; cries prank
[4:17] <shiftplusone> ah yeah
[4:17] <[Saint_]> It is amusing seeing them get their asses kicked, though.
[4:18] <[Saint_]> The YouTube "prank" culture needs to die.
[4:18] <shiftplusone> there's some good stuff... but a lot of stupid "<insert something> in the ghetto" crap.
[4:19] <shiftplusone> and "gone wrong" of course.
[4:19] <[Saint_]> I see a LOT of ways even the well thought out stuff can go terribly wrong.
[4:19] <[Saint_]> AQnd it often does.
[4:19] <[Saint_]> *You* know your intentions...they don't.
[4:19] <[Saint_]> Its a recipe for disaster.
[4:20] <shiftplusone> Aye, especially in America. Surprised another youtube doesn't get shot every week doing that.
[4:20] <shiftplusone> *youtuber
[4:20] <[Saint_]> The main thing I dislike about it is what it leads to in the situation above. Where you can just say or do anything, offend anyone, and then turn around and say "Ahaha, its a prank yo...didn't mean it!"
[4:21] <[Saint_]> Not realizing that regardless of the intentions, the act is offensive in itself.
[4:21] <[Saint_]> Also - yes. Maybe it does happen, though, I suspect they'd have a hard time uploading the video after the fact. :P
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[4:22] <shiftplusone> Hm, one one hand, sure. On the other, you don't go punching people because you're offended.
[4:22] <[Saint_]> Oh, sure. But you shouldn't expect it to not happen.
[4:22] <e^ipi> depends where you are
[4:23] <[Saint_]> Right. SHouldn't, but it does.
[4:23] <e^ipi> lotta cultures, losing face is absolutely a justification for violence, because the loss of status can lead to violence towards you
[4:23] <[Saint_]> That's why I only prank quadraplegics
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[4:24] <[Saint_]> No repersussions.
[4:24] <e^ipi> i dunno, look at crime stats
[4:24] <e^ipi> the crips have killed a *lot* of people
[4:24] <[Saint_]> That. Was. Beautiful.
[4:24] <[Saint_]> Well done.
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[4:24] * shiftplusone feels a little bad for bursting out laughing at that one.
[4:24] * [Saint_] too
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[4:25] <shiftplusone> is bash.org still a thing? =P
[4:25] <[Saint_]> It is.
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[4:30] <[Saint_]> Oh. Apparently not. Sad.
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[4:40] <unixfreak> anyone use those tiny aluminium heatsinks? i bought a set for the sake of it, but it only seems to increase the temperature by 1-2 degrees. Are they really that crap?
[4:41] <WACOMalt> increase?
[4:41] <WACOMalt> Id hope they decrease
[4:41] <shiftplusone> unixfreak, yes.
[4:41] <niston> they're useless :)
[4:41] <shiftplusone> Worse than useless.
[4:41] <WACOMalt> even with some thermal paste are they worthless?
[4:41] <niston> way of pulling the hard working guys money out of his pockets
[4:41] <shiftplusone> even with racing stripes.
[4:41] <WACOMalt> lol
[4:42] <unixfreak> they looked a bit gimmick like, and yeah, thermal paste (well, thermal tape)
[4:42] <niston> for every part I want to use I have to draw an eagle lib
[4:42] * niston sings
[4:43] <shiftplusone> you're just sticking a bit of metal on top of a RAM chip with very little airflow and thermal coupling.... it won't do anything. The chip doesn't need cooling in the first place, but if you want to do cool it anyway for whatever reason, airflow is your friend.
[4:44] <niston> immerse everything into oil :D
[4:44] <niston> submerged pi!
[4:44] <shiftplusone> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=256779
[4:45] <shiftplusone> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/07/water_cooled_raspberry_pi/
[4:45] <niston> LOL
[4:45] <e^ipi> oil tends to collect water, find an old cray2 and drain the fluorinert
[4:45] <[Saint_]> unixfreak: its a chip that's designed tyo run in embedded environments.
[4:46] <[Saint_]> It won't care about heat in the slightest until it hits 80C
[4:46] <[Saint_]> And even then it'll only invoke thermal limiting.
[4:46] <[Saint_]> It won't actually care about shutting down until 85C
[4:46] <[Saint_]> I suspect you're _nowhere_ near that temperature range.
[4:47] <[Saint_]> (it also pays to note that the chip could continue to funtion well beyond that 85C limit)
[4:47] <[Saint_]> So - tl;dr: You bought a few cents worth os useless aluminium for a few bucks.
[4:48] <[Saint_]> *of
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[4:49] <unixfreak> I could always melt it down into an expensive paperclip
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[5:01] <e^ipi> someone convince me that this isn’t gcc being naughty: https://gist.github.com/sonnens/79beb8af944ca11c64bc
[5:02] <e^ipi> there is no inline asm.
[5:02] <nsgn> Goodevening. Trying to find a battery for the raspberry pi that would actually reasonably fit in a case with a raspberry pi. Everything I'm finding when I google are just those dumb generic USB battery packs you'd use to charge a cell phone being marketed as for the rpi.
[5:02] <e^ipi> this is the repo in question : https://github.com/rescrv/HyperLevelDB/tree/master/db
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[5:06] <ColMugsy> Nick a laptop battery and run it through a 5v regulator? Is that a bad idea?
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[5:07] <e^ipi> nevermind, found the reference :-/
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[5:11] <nsgn> ColMugsy, not a bad idea but I'd like the pi to end up small and handheld after this. laptop batteries are big
[5:12] <ColMugsy> Yeah, I want to do something similar and that was the best I came up with. Had a relatively small laptop battery and just ripped it from the housing
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[5:21] <methuzla> nsgn - short answer, yes. have you tried looking at sparkfun and/or adafruit? plenty of battery options there
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[5:41] <WACOMalt> hope this isnt too offtopic, but I figured you guys may find this funny. Since I fried my Raspberry Pi today, I was thinking, and realized that an OUYA is very simmilar to a Raspberry Pi. Single board computer, arm architecture (tegra3) and has HDMI, lan, wifi, bluetooth.
[5:41] <WACOMalt> so.. now I have debian installing on it lol
[5:42] <WACOMalt> it's actually slightly smaller than the Pi, aside from the fan and heatsink
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[5:42] <WACOMalt> but it has nowhere near the community like you guys :(
[5:43] <WACOMalt> I figured since I havent powered up the system since the first week I had it (got bored, very few good games at the time) that I had nothing to lose.
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[5:52] <Vialas-mob> hello everyone
[5:52] <Vialas-mob> how are you all?
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[6:50] <WACOMalt> Hi Vialas-mob, doing good!
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[6:57] <Vialas-mob> hey WACOMalt
[6:57] <Vialas-mob> great to hear your going well
[6:57] <Vialas-mob> hows your pi's going?
[6:57] <dkog> hi - can somebody explain overscan and why it's so important?
[6:58] <dkog> i get that it has to do with black borders around screen, but why do other computers work without this setting?
[6:58] <dkog> and if I put it into 1024x768 with 20px overscan, am I losing that resolution from real pixels?
[6:58] <Vialas-mob> well other computers do have overscan
[6:59] <Vialas-mob> in digital you dont usualy need to use it but its more of an issue if your using analog signals
[6:59] <dkog> maybe the LCD screen is confused because it is getting HDMI instead of DVI...
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[6:59] <Vialas-mob> do you have a converter?
[6:59] <WACOMalt> Vialas-mob, not so good sadly
[6:59] <WACOMalt> fried it today
[6:59] <dkog> I just want to use my native LCD resolution without fussing with all these parameters
[7:00] <WACOMalt> dkog, it depends on the monitor
[7:00] <Vialas-mob> WACOMalt: sorry to hear that due :( what happend?
[7:00] <WACOMalt> TV has overscan for.. some reason
[7:00] <dkog> my raspi goes HDMI into my screen (Lilliput) HDMI input
[7:00] <WACOMalt> Vialas-mob, I'm honestly not sure, but it happened when messing with GPIO pins
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[7:00] <WACOMalt> and now when I plug it in, no video, no blinking, just solid green light and it gets burning hot within 3 seconds
[7:00] <Vialas-mob> WACOMalt: please dont tell me you put voltage into your IOs :P )
[7:00] <WACOMalt> like enough to seriously burn you
[7:01] <WACOMalt> I didnt
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[7:01] <CoJaBo> He's dead, Jim.
[7:01] <Vialas-mob> WACOMalt: wow that sucks... ahhh i ahve 5 pis you can have one of mine :P
[7:01] <WACOMalt> I just hooked a LED (with proper resistance) to the 5v and GND pins
[7:01] <dkog> and the image is either squished and blurry with black bars around it, or it's zoomed in and blurry with the edges of the screen not visible beyond the bounds of the actual monitor
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[7:01] <Vialas-mob> oh no resistor WACOMalt?
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[7:01] <WACOMalt> (with proper resistance)
[7:01] <WACOMalt> I used the right resistor
[7:02] <Vialas-mob> hmm very odd WACOMalt :(
[7:02] <dkog> I put hdmi_group=2 and hdmi_mode=16 to get 1024x768, but it's not just accepting it easily
[7:02] <CoJaBo> WACOMalt: Must've shorted to one of the IOs or the 3v3 line somehow..
[7:02] <WACOMalt> thats what I am guessing
[7:02] <WACOMalt> in any case my new one gets here tomorrow
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[7:02] <CoJaBo> R.I.P. in peace...
[7:03] <Vialas-mob> dkog: i appreciate that would be frustrating, not sure why it is blury
[7:03] <WACOMalt> rest in peace in peace
[7:03] <Vialas-mob> dkog: this may explain things to you http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/hd-101-overscan-and-why-all-tvs-do-it/
[7:03] <CoJaBo> R.I.P.I.P.
[7:04] <CoJaBo> Vialas-mob: Having non-overscan devices can be amusing sometimes xD
[7:04] <Vialas-mob> why is that CoJaBo?
[7:04] <CoJaBo> Vialas-mob: A lot of older editing equipment can't see into the overscan area
[7:05] <WACOMalt> R.I.P.I.P. In pieces
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[7:06] <dkog> Vialas-mob: that's a great article about overscan
[7:06] <dkog> but it just explains what i already know in general
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[7:07] <dkog> i am wondering if the problem is my monitor (Lilliput 9.7" touchscreen LCD)
[7:07] <dkog> it has no respect for the signal
[7:07] <WACOMalt> very possibly. if the screen overscans by default then you will get a blurrier image than if it did 1:1 pixels
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[7:08] <CoJaBo> Vialas-mob: It was particularly noticable in newscasts and edited anime shows lol..
[7:08] <WACOMalt> if you cant turn off the screen's overscan then the only method to fit it is via software resizing. so you are looking at a resampled image afterwards
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[7:09] <dkog> that is what I'm trying to avoid and why I paid extra for this sweet little screen
[7:09] <dkog> except for the fact that it doesn't work!
[7:10] <WACOMalt> well, it works
[7:10] <WACOMalt> just isnt quite as sweet as you'd hoped I guess
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[7:10] <WACOMalt> maybe search online for the model and disable overscan
[7:11] <WACOMalt> maybe there's some way to force it not to do that
[7:11] <dkog> it works in a blurry and bitter fashion
[7:12] <CoJaBo> My TV is massively overscanned :/
[7:14] <dkog> I'm trying now to go raspi HDMI to Lilliput DVI and see what happens. before I was going HDMI to HDMI
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[7:16] <dkog> OK it works perfect going into Lilliput DVI port
[7:16] <dkog> except now I have no sound on it, but at least I can see
[7:17] <dkog> I disabled overscan and put hdmi_group=2, hdmi_mode=16 (1024x768) and it is nice
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[7:19] <dkog> i take it back, the NOOBS GUI was perfect but the console is clipped on edges still. maybe "framebuffer_width" and height param
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[7:25] <dkog> now i see even the NOOBS GUI was wrong... it was 1280xsomething and the console is 960x720... i can't win
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[7:28] <dkog> ok i finally got it, y'all can call me overscan master
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[7:47] <Vialas-mob> hi everyon
[7:47] <Vialas-mob> sorry dkog i got dc
[7:47] <dkog> welcome back
[7:48] <Vialas-mob> thanks
[7:48] <Vialas-mob> so any more help form your end?
[7:48] <dkog> i got it going now but in my console i can't scroll up (like when reading a man page). it just overwrites line1 of the screen repeatedly. some terminal setting... so unfun...
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[7:49] <ShorTie> using page down key ??
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[7:51] <dkog> any keys
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[7:53] <Vialas-mob> hmm odd
[7:53] <dkog> also i'm getting this rainbow square undervoltage symbol (new on B+)
[7:53] <dkog> and this is coming from a solid powered USB hub
[7:53] <dkog> it's only bc this raspi is so little and cute than i continue to suffer through this
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[7:58] <dkog> every time the wifi pings out the square flashes up
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[7:59] <Vialas-mob> hmm thats realy odd, ive not had such problems
[7:59] <Vialas-mob> and your right it is very cute, thats why i have heaps of em lol
[7:59] <Vialas-mob> all doing my little tasks
[7:59] <dkog> how many?
[7:59] <Vialas-mob> they are my minions :P
[7:59] <skyroveRR> Hi darkbasic_ , aren't you from that small website that makes minimal images of raspbian and provides them for downloads? :D
[8:00] <dkog> <evil laugh>
[8:00] <Vialas-mob> i own 5 and i have 3 at work lol
[8:00] <dkog> nice. i just went from an A to a B+, so i have 2 now, soon to be 3
[8:00] <Vialas-mob> awesome thats cool
[8:00] <Vialas-mob> i like the B+
[8:00] <dkog> i got a nice Pelican 1550 case to keep them safe with all my other stuff like lcd screen, keyboard, cables, sd cards
[8:01] <Vialas-mob> ohhh cool
[8:01] <Vialas-mob> i dont have any cases
[8:01] <Vialas-mob> you have a photo of your setup?
[8:02] <dkog> no i just set it up this week
[8:02] <dkog> the pelican has this foam that you can carve out slots for stuff, it's really nice
[8:02] <Vialas-mob> ahhh you should take a photo now :P
[8:04] <dkog> http://www.amazon.com/Pelican-1550-Case-Camera-Black/dp/B00009XVLO
[8:04] <dkog> that's the case
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[8:04] <dkog> they make smaller ones too, but i already have too much raspi stuff lol
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[8:09] <Vialas-mob> oh wow, you run your raspi in that?
[8:10] <dkog> yeah it's a carrying case for everything but also with the lid up it turns into a mobile computer
[8:11] <dkog> i have battery for raspi even, but my Lilliput screen needs 12V
[8:12] <skyroveRR> dkog: how much V does your batt output?
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[8:12] <dkog> 5V via USB port
[8:12] <skyroveRR> Use capacitors.
[8:12] <dkog> with microUSB port for charging
[8:13] <Vialas-mob> dam, dude you need to show me a pic thats a awsome setup
[8:13] <dkog> this screen is too big for this battery
[8:13] <skyroveRR> Vialas-mob: who? Me?
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[8:14] <Vialas-mob> yea
[8:14] <Vialas-mob> i wana see your rig :D
[8:14] <skyroveRR> Why?
[8:14] <dkog> WOW this is only $19 now: http://www.amazon.com/EasyAcc-U-bright-Flashlight-Portable-Smartphones/dp/B00H963GT0
[8:14] <dkog> this is the battery I got and it's really sweet, including LED flashlight in it
[8:14] <skyroveRR> Registered five hours back.
[8:15] <Vialas-mob> why not
[8:15] <Vialas-mob> always good to see what other ppl ahve got going
[8:15] <Vialas-mob> how i learn and get new ideas
[8:15] <skyroveRR> Vialas-mob: bad networking practices, btw.
[8:15] <Vialas-mob> and share with others
[8:15] <skyroveRR> Well, I don't have a camera :P
[8:15] <skyroveRR> So, no pictures.
[8:15] <skyroveRR> :P
[8:15] <Vialas-mob> ohhh :(
[8:16] <Vialas-mob> why bad networking parctacies
[8:16] <skyroveRR> Learn by yourself.
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[8:17] <Vialas-mob> well yea
[8:17] <Vialas-mob> i do learn by myself but i get ideas of others
[8:17] <Vialas-mob> how to improve things
[8:18] <Vialas-mob> i like to learn of others mistakes or streingths
[8:18] <Vialas-mob> then combine with mine
[8:18] <Vialas-mob> i will make new mistakes but not repeats :P
[8:19] <skyroveRR> Where are you from?
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[8:21] <Vialas-mob> australia
[8:21] <Vialas-mob> you?
[8:21] <skyroveRR> US.
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[8:23] <Vialas-mob> lucky
[8:23] <Vialas-mob> stuff is so cheep in the states
[8:23] <Vialas-mob> i am gelous
[8:23] <Vialas-mob> you have any idea how expensive stuff is here?
[8:24] <skyroveRR> No
[8:24] <skyroveRR> How expensive?
[8:24] <Vialas-mob> lol lots
[8:24] <Vialas-mob> how much raspberry pi cost you?
[8:24] <skyroveRR> $35 + taxes.
[8:24] <skyroveRR> You?
[8:25] <Vialas-mob> $50 AUD
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[8:25] <skyroveRR> Sounds cheap :P
[8:26] <Vialas-mob> pffff
[8:26] <Vialas-mob> cheep
[8:26] <Vialas-mob> its the same as USD
[8:26] <skyroveRR> Heh.
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[8:27] <Vialas-mob> 50.00 AUD = 44.3408 USD
[8:27] <Vialas-mob> not quite the same
[8:27] <Vialas-mob> but still
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[8:29] <Vialas-mob> ok ill quit complaining haha
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[8:36] <dkog> why is there no power switch?
[8:37] <ShorTie> everything you add, adds cost
[8:39] <ShorTie> so this is a ultra low cost device, so i would say because of cost
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[8:39] <Vialas-mob> yep
[8:39] <Vialas-mob> besides not everyone wants a hard button reset switch
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[8:39] <Vialas-mob> there is a spot for reset button if you wish
[8:39] <Vialas-mob> you can add the button
[8:40] <Vialas-mob> (or short the connection with a peice of wire - not reccomended)
[8:40] <ShorTie> power, not reset
[8:40] <Vialas-mob> ohhhh power
[8:40] <dkog> you're not supposed to plug/unplug sd card while it's on
[8:40] <dkog> it feels weird plugging and unplugging the power all the time just to access the sd card
[8:40] <Vialas-mob> true
[8:41] <Vialas-mob> well you could add a switch to the usb cable?
[8:41] <dkog> i was looking for one that had a switch already but couldn't find
[8:41] <Vialas-mob> in australia we have a switch at th epower point so easy to do on the wall
[8:41] <ShorTie> you really should not plug/unplug any thing, although you might get away with usb without a reset
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[8:41] <Vialas-mob> i would say they have switch in UK too?
[8:42] <ShorTie> depends on the wiggle/jigglr fact you use when plugging it in
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[8:42] <ShorTie> jiggle*
[8:42] <Vialas-mob> http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/why-dont-us-outlets-have-built-110814
[8:43] <Vialas-mob> answer yes europe and Australia have switches where our power comes from
[8:43] <Vialas-mob> USA is the odd one out and generaly do not.. which seems so unsafe!
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[8:44] <dkog> cool, never seen those
[8:44] <Vialas-mob> realy?
[8:44] <Vialas-mob> thats what we have here
[8:44] <Vialas-mob> saafest way
[8:44] <Vialas-mob> and that is probably why pi doesnt have a switch
[8:44] <Vialas-mob> because where it is developed we dont need it
[8:44] <dkog> even in big home constructions stores in US with 100s of other outlets and switches they don't sell those
[8:44] <Vialas-mob> switch is on wall
[8:45] <Vialas-mob> case solved :D
[8:45] <ShorTie> uk uses 220v doesn't it ??
[8:45] <Vialas-mob> dono
[8:45] <Vialas-mob> we use 240
[8:45] <gordonDrogon> technically it's 230, however ...
[8:45] <ShorTie> ok, same thing like
[8:46] <ShorTie> i was just wodering if it was the 120v/240v factor diference
[8:47] <ShorTie> us only has power on 1 line with 120v, where you have power on both lines ??
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[8:47] <gordonDrogon> no
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> in domestic properties feed on one, return on another.
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> in a perfect situation the return would be at earth potential.
[8:48] <dkog> i think it's diff from US 240
[8:48] <ShorTie> so ground and your return are hooked up to same place ??
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[8:49] <ShorTie> see black is power, white and ground hook up to same place here
[8:49] <ShorTie> unless it's a 220v plug, then both white and black go to breaker
[8:50] <ShorTie> and ground is ground
[8:50] <dkog> US 240 is two out of phase 120s. But their 240 is like our 120 but just with 2x Volts
[8:50] <dkog> sorry, I'm from US, to clarify
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[8:51] <Vialas-mob> back
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> uk domestic is one out of 3 phase.
[8:51] <ShorTie> don't really think they are out of phase
[8:52] <ShorTie> 3 phase is special here in us
[8:52] <Vialas-mob> same here in aus
[8:53] <Vialas-mob> we have one phase generaly
[8:53] <ShorTie> like they just ran 3 phase down the poles in front of my house a couple of years ago
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, groups & neutral (return) aren't normally hooked together except (I think) back at the substation.
[8:54] <niston> weee
[8:54] <niston> http://imgur.com/a/5Oz3C
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> I remember building battery chargers that relied on the few volts difference between the 2 to get "free" electricity ...
[8:54] * niston has been busy
[8:55] <dkog> gordonDrogon: sneaky
[8:56] <ShorTie> if you have 3 phase coming into your building around here, they charge you extra if you do not load balace the phases
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> if you have 3 phase coming in here they just charge you an arm & a leg anyway.
[8:57] <ShorTie> lol.
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[8:59] <Myrtti> my dad insisted back in the day to put the electric stove on three phase
[8:59] <Myrtti> (in Finland)
[9:01] <ShorTie> was the operating cost cheaper ??
[9:02] <ShorTie> 3 phase motors operating cost is cheaper, then 220v single phase and 120v is the highest
[9:03] <ShorTie> but wiring cost are higher for the 3 phase
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[9:04] <ShorTie> 110/220 you can get away with like 12-2 with ground, but 3 phase you need 12-3 with ground
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[9:06] <Vialas-mob> no offence but gosh i hate windows :#
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[9:13] <Vialas-mob> dont suppose anyone has quassel runing quassel core on the pi?
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[9:17] <Vialas-mob> guess not
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[9:20] <Vialas-mob> hi lazy_prince
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[9:32] <Vialas-mob> windows keeps turning off
[9:33] <ShorTie> spyware maybe ??
[9:33] <Vialas-mob> pff who knows
[9:33] <Vialas-mob> i prefer mac and linux ftw!
[9:34] <ShorTie> go grab malwarebytes and run it
[9:34] <Vialas-mob> malware bites?
[9:35] <ShorTie> no, bytes
[9:35] <ShorTie> http://filehippo.com/download_malwarebytes_anti_malware
[9:36] <Vialas-mob> hmm i dont think its malware
[9:36] <Vialas-mob> its a laptop
[9:36] <Vialas-mob> think it just wants to save battery
[9:36] <Vialas-mob> :P
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[9:42] <ShorTie> adjust your power managment then maybe
[9:42] <ShorTie> malware likes laptop's too, not just desktops
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[10:26] <dkog> just had 2 brand new Transcend 4GB Class 10 SD cards die on me within 15 minutes
[10:27] <dkog> i give up
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[10:47] <niston> whats the RUN pin do?
[10:47] <niston> is it a !reset ?
[10:47] <darkbasic> skyroveRR: Hi, yes I am :)
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> niston, yes, it's effectively reset.
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[10:57] <niston> so if I hold run low and then let go, it resetS?
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[10:58] <niston> does it need pull up?
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> not sure about the pull-up - I'd check the Pi schematics that were released for the CM
[10:59] <niston> I am
[11:00] <niston> it goes to a header
[11:00] <niston> ping47 on J5
[11:00] <niston> pin*
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[12:19] <Vialas_Air> hello everyone
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[12:22] <ijustam> i need a project enclosure
[12:23] <ijustam> but i need to fit more than my pi in there
[12:23] <ijustam> but i also want pi cutouts
[12:23] <ijustam> :(
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[13:01] <WhizzWr> 3d print?
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[13:51] <SpeedEvil> 4d print an animated case
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[13:52] <skyroveRR> darkbasic: Hi! Due you serve your minimal images on the pi itself?
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[14:02] <zenmod> Anyone tried to install Plex media server on rpi ?
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[15:50] <joephilly> I am using raspberry pi as kiosk and I need to forward a port for chromium debugging. How can I run this in background when machine boots?: ssh -L 0.0.0.0:9223:localhost:9222 localhost -N
[15:50] <joephilly> raspbian (wheezy) and LXDE is my window manager
[15:50] <e^ipi> autossh
[15:53] <e^ipi> that’s pretty much exactly what it’s for
[15:53] <joephilly> :D
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[15:54] <joephilly> e^ipi, ok so that's a good start. How do I make it run when it boots up then?
[15:54] <joephilly> doesn't it need to run in a screen session or something?
[15:55] <joephilly> is that what rscreen is for?
[15:55] <e^ipi> no you can add it to /etc/rc.local
[15:55] <e^ipi> autossh daemonizes
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[15:55] <e^ipi> and chmod +x /etc/rc.local
[15:55] <joephilly> so in my command I can just replace ssh with autossh?
[15:56] <e^ipi> no, read the autossh docs
[15:56] <e^ipi> http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/
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[16:03] <joephilly> so Ineed to use the -f flag for daemon?
[16:04] <e^ipi> appears so
[16:06] <e^ipi> there’s probably a more elegant way to manage it’s startup than rc.local , but i’m a solaris guy & linux afaict has nothing as nice as SMF
[16:06] <joephilly> :\
[16:09] <e^ipi> if i could run solaris on my raspi, i would. but i can’t
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[16:14] <joephilly> well I tried this and it didn't work: autossh -f -M 5122 -L 0.0.0.0:9223:localhost:9222 localhost -N
[16:16] <e^ipi> weird
[16:17] <joephilly> I think I need the ssh key
[16:17] <e^ipi> exit status ? ( echo $? )
[16:17] <joephilly> well I was just running it by hand and it didn't work
[16:17] <joephilly> taking out the -f does work though
[16:18] <joephilly> but it doesn't go into the background
[16:18] <joephilly> any idea how to set up the ssh key?
[16:19] <joephilly> this maybe? http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/ssh/passwordless.md
[16:19] <e^ipi> you add the public key to .ssh/authorized_keys
[16:20] <e^ipi> oh is it prompting you for a password? that’d do it
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[16:24] <joephilly> ok, here's the test of truth
[16:26] <e^ipi> not actually a test of truth, you can just shove it in to daemon if all else fails
[16:27] <joephilly> hrm... it is running but it is not working
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[16:27] <joephilly> root 2133 0.0 0.1 1692 452 ? Ss 10:25 0:00 /usr/lib/autossh/autossh -M 5122 -L 0.0.0.0:9223:localhost:9222 localhost -N
[16:27] <joephilly> not sure why that isn't working?
[16:28] <joephilly> is it because I put it in the wrong users .ssh directory?
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[16:28] <_pash> Sonny_Jim: ShorTie Got it working http://quick.as/o6rclpq the screen :)
[16:28] <joephilly> I put it in "pi" instead of root
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[16:31] <e^ipi> you can also probably turn off monitoring port, ‘-M 5122’ -> ‘-M 0’
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[16:32] <joephilly> This is whats in my rc.local: autossh -f -M 0 -L 0.0.0.0:9223:localhost:9222 localhost -N
[16:32] <joephilly> (after changing port)
[16:32] <joephilly> i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong
[16:33] <e^ipi> that runs as root, so roots pubkey needs to be in root’s authorized_keys
[16:33] <VoidFox> why 0.0.0.0 ?
[16:34] <joephilly> e^ipi, where is that foldler? its not in /home/username like eveyrone else
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[16:34] <e^ipi> /root
[16:34] <joephilly> VoidFox, not sure
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[16:35] <VoidFox> 0.0.0.0:9223:localhost:9222 this whole part looks fishy to me
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> _pash: Nice!
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> Did he have to get a driver chip in the end?
[16:36] <joephilly> VoidFox, chromium debug only works on localhost I think
[16:36] <joephilly> so we're just forwarding remote commands to a local prot
[16:36] <_pash> Sonny_Jim: no sir
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[16:37] <_pash> Sonny_Jim: just made my own circuit, with 7 transistors erm, a bunch of resistor
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[16:37] <_pash> and uses 13 pins
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[16:38] <joephilly> ugh. still doesn't work
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[16:40] <movic> hi guys, i have some issue with my raspberry pi. Its configured as wifi router and it worked properly
[16:40] <movic> but today it doesnt work
[16:40] <joephilly> e^ipi, any other bright ideas for debugging?
[16:41] <movic> a have no idea how to identify the problem
[16:41] <e^ipi> joephilly: `su - root` and then try `ssh localhost`
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> movic: First off, can you plug a TV into it?
[16:41] <joephilly> e^ipi, not sure what the root pw is
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> Or rather can you get logged in either via the network or locally?
[16:42] <e^ipi> k, then `sudo su -`
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[16:42] <joephilly> k
[16:42] <joephilly> Warning: Permanently added 'localhost' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
[16:42] <joephilly> I just need to know the pw I guess
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[16:43] <e^ipi> it’s still prompting you for a password?
[16:44] <joephilly> yeah..
[16:44] <e^ipi> then root’s public key isn’t in root’s authorized key files
[16:44] <e^ipi> which is why the port forward isn’t working
[16:44] <movic> Sonny_Jim: wow, tv, why?
[16:44] <joephilly> e^ipi, oh, I didn't maek a pub key for root, I made it for pi
[16:45] <movic> Sonny_Jim: i have access via ssh
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[16:45] <e^ipi> joephilly: two ways to solve that, either create a key for root, or pass the -i flag to ssh
[16:45] <e^ipi> -i /path/to/private/key
[16:45] <Sonny_Jim> movic: Have you rebooted the Pi recently? Did you save the iptables config and add it to startup?
[16:45] <e^ipi> which in your case i think would be /home/pi/.ssh/id_rsa
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[16:46] <movic> Sonny_Jim: yes i rebooted it couple of time
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[16:47] <joephilly> e^ipi, good call. I'll give it a try
[16:47] <Sonny_Jim> movic: So, what part isn't working? Does the dhcpd still work?
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[16:47] <movic> Sonny_Jim: yes, iptables was configured and everything worked perfectly
[16:47] <Sonny_Jim> Have you checked to see if your iptables rules are still there
[16:47] <movic> Sonny_Jim: hotspot also worked after reeboting and so on
[16:48] <movic> Sonny_Jim: i didnt use it for week or two, I conneced it today and wifi ssid is visible
[16:48] <movic> Sonny_Jim: i can connect to it
[16:48] <_pash> Sonny_Jim: anyway gtg, thanks for any help and thank ShorTie for me please :) bye
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[16:48] <movic> Sonny_Jim: pi have acces to internet
[16:48] <Sonny_Jim> Right, so do you get assigned an IP address?
[16:48] <Sonny_Jim> ie Is the dhcpd still working?
[16:48] <darkbasic_> skyroveRR: you mean preinstalled? no, it's only available to download on my website (http://www.linuxsystems.it/)
[16:49] <joephilly> e^ipi, gah, still doesn't work
[16:49] <movic> Sonny_Jim: i did restart udhcpd and hostapd
[16:49] <movic> Sonny_Jim: but it didnt help
[16:49] <Sonny_Jim> Does the client get assigned an IP address?
[16:49] <e^ipi> joephilly: well, can you just straight up ssh in with the same command, as root?
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[16:49] <joephilly> e^ipi, i need the root pw
[16:49] <joephilly> don't i?
[16:50] <Sonny_Jim> joephilly: Not for sudo
[16:50] <e^ipi> joephilly: no, use sudo… ‘sudo su -‘ and then you’re root
[16:50] <joephilly> its still asking for the pw
[16:50] <joephilly> but this time says nothing about ssh keys
[16:50] <movic> Sonny_Jim: yes, because i also connect to pi via wifi that pi created
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[16:51] <joephilly> probably because it doesn't have an ssh key set up?
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> movic: That's not what I asked, is it?
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> But anyway
[16:52] <Sonny_Jim> Check the iptables rules to see if they are there
[16:52] <Sonny_Jim> Then check that the various kernel ipforwarding rules are still there
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[16:52] <e^ipi> joephilly: probably. ssh-keygen && cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys
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[16:53] <joephilly> done
[16:53] <movic> Sonny_Jim: yes it is assigning the ip
[16:53] <movic> Sonny_Jim: i checked it now
[16:53] <joephilly> ssh localhost works now
[16:54] <joephilly> should I remove the -i out of the rc.local ?
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[16:54] <Sonny_Jim> movic: Does sudo iptables --list show the rules that you added or is it empty?
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[16:55] <movic> Sonny_Jim: no
[16:55] <movic> Sonny_Jim: Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
[16:55] <movic> Sonny_Jim: That's the info.
[16:55] <Sonny_Jim> So there's your answer then
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[16:56] <e^ipi> joephilly: yeah, remove that flag
[16:57] <e^ipi> and remember to set the execute bit on rc.local… sudo chmod +x /etc/rc.local
[16:57] <e^ipi> rc.local only fires on machine boot
[16:57] <joephilly> I didn't set the +x but it does seem to be firing
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[16:58] <joephilly> ive just been rebooting :p
[16:58] <joephilly> should I have been doing something else
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[17:01] <joephilly> e^ipi, you're the man ;D. Thanks for your help
[17:01] <joephilly> works like a charm now
[17:01] <e^ipi> np
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[17:09] <o-|^_^|-o> Hello
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[17:10] <o-|^_^|-o> What happend to the download of the archlinux image on the raspberrypi site?
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[17:11] <skyroveRR> ping darkbasic_
[17:11] <o-|^_^|-o> Where can i find the archlinux image now?
[17:11] <skyroveRR> darkbasic_: no, I meant hosted on your web servers.
[17:12] <skyroveRR> o-|^_^|-o: where we all do.
[17:12] <o-|^_^|-o> skyroveRR: It isn't on the raspberrypi site anymore.
[17:13] <skyroveRR> Maybe they moved it someplace else.
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[17:18] <skyroveRR> o-|^_^|-o: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[17:18] <skyroveRR> o-|^_^|-o: I hope you are well-versed with linux.
[17:19] <o-|^_^|-o> skyroveRR: Im using arch on a daily base :)
[17:19] <o-|^_^|-o> skyroveRR: Thanks for the link, any clue why they have removed that image from their site?
[17:19] <skyroveRR> Then the installation and the partitioning prior to it should be a breeze for you.
[17:19] <skyroveRR> No, I have no idea why they removed it.
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[17:31] <shiftplusone> They removed it because the arch folks provide a tarball instead of an image.
[17:32] <o-|^_^|-o> archlinuxarm.org is from archlinux it self?
[17:33] <shiftplusone> yes and no (no)
[17:34] <shiftplusone> Different team, but with support from archlinux. It's somewhere between a fork and not.
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[17:35] <shiftplusone> (note that archlinux does not support arm)
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[17:39] <o-|^_^|-o> shiftplusone: But besides the repositories and architecture the system remains the same?
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[17:39] <shiftplusone> yup
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[17:42] <o-|^_^|-o> great. It is so much faster than raspbian.
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> why is Arch faster if it's running binaries compiled the same way?
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[18:30] <e^ipi> “i don’t understand how a compiler works” is why
[18:30] <e^ipi> :)
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[18:31] <e^ipi> too bad funroll-loops isn’t still around
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> but what evidence & benchmarks are there to suggest that Arch is faster?
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> and ... is it really important?
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[18:42] <gyeben> hi
[18:43] <gyeben> is anyone having problems with supertux? when I start it, the screen goes black and the music starts, but when it displays the menu the sound stops working
[18:44] <gyeben> also, I can't quit, because it freezes the pi so that it doesn't respond to anything
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[18:57] <gordonDrogon> not played it ...
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[19:15] <shiftplusone> gyeben, sec, I'll try it
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[19:19] <shiftplusone> works fine
[19:20] <shiftplusone> a little laggy, but playable
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[20:02] <LoneElf> Heya folks. I'm having some problems accessing a webserver on my raspberry pi, I'm hopeing perhaps somebody could help, description following:
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[20:02] <LoneElf> I have my pi (P) device connected to my Mac (M)... I've set M to be 192.168.2.1, and I've set P to be 192.168.2.2, with a gateway of 192.168.1.1 and nameserver of 192.168.1.1 .... All is well in that P can ping google and whatnot.... however, M cannot connect to P's webserver (it can ping, however).
[20:03] <LoneElf> Any ideas?
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[20:05] <shiftplusone> could try ##networking
[20:05] <LoneElf> shiftplusone: Indeed, I'm there too ;D
[20:06] <shiftplusone> well then >.>
[20:06] <pksato> gw on pi can not be 192.168.1.1. need 192.168.2.1 ip of mac.
[20:06] <shiftplusone> subnets are fun
[20:06] <pksato> if mac act as router, name server is ok.
[20:06] <pksato> firewall on mac?
[20:07] <pksato> webserver is running on rpi, port 80?
[20:07] <LoneElf> pksato: oops, my bad, i got that wrong, it is in fact 192.168.2.1
[20:07] <LoneElf> pksato: yup, that's the correct port
[20:07] <LoneElf> pksato: no firewalls on either device.
[20:08] <pksato> I dont know mac, but, use arp tool to check if rpi is on table.
[20:08] <pksato> or/and arp on rpi.
[20:09] <pksato> on rpi. netstat -tnl
[20:09] <pksato> netstat -tnl | grep 80
[20:10] <pksato> to filter, have a line like: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[20:10] <pksato> ?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> LoneElf, can you connect to the webserver on the Pi from the Pi? e.g. telnet localhost 80
[20:10] <LoneElf> @gordonDrogon: I can, yeah.
[20:10] <LoneElf> ARP -1 on M http://pastebin.com/BJyWP1e2
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> LoneElf, ok - just making sure it was actually running...
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[20:12] <pksato> LoneElf: what you type as url on mac?
[20:12] <pksato> http://192.168.2.2/ ?
[20:12] <LoneElf> @pksato: I've tried http://192.168.2.2, but also, I've tried ssh user@192.168.2.2, and also telnet to port 80 on 192.168.2.2
[20:14] <LoneElf> @pksato: netstat: /proc/net/tcp6: No such file or directory
[20:14] <LoneElf> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[20:14] <pksato> WHat happens on mac? erro?
[20:15] <LoneElf> @pksato: Yeah, just cannot connect.
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[20:16] <pksato> no error?
[20:16] <LoneElf> let me wait for a timeout, ill tell you.
[20:16] <pksato> telnet proable show more usefull message.
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[20:18] <LoneElf> @pksato: doubtful. ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.2 port 22: Operation timed out
[20:19] <pksato> numm... no route to 192.168.2.2?
[20:19] <pksato> ping ok?
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[20:22] <pksato> LoneElf: how rpi and mac are connected?
[20:22] <LoneElf> @pksato: ethernet
[20:22] <LoneElf> @pksato: nothing in between
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[20:22] <pksato> some is wrong...
[20:23] <pksato> you mac arp table show 0:26:32:f0:9:6b
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[20:23] <pksato> but, 00:26:32 is not rpi mac prefix.
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[20:25] <pksato> it belong to Instrumentation Technologies
[20:25] <LoneElf> @pksato: different ethernet adapter
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[20:26] <LoneElf> @pksato: not actually rpi, actually a RedPitaya
[20:27] <pksato> ouch...
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> LoneElf, just catcing up - your webserver is bound to localhost, not the network interface.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> nothing external can access it.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> is it apche?
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> *apache?
[20:28] <LoneElf> gordonDrogon: oh, interesting? No, it's nginx
[20:29] <LoneElf> gordonDrogon: I also cannot ssh to the device.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> ok. I don't know about nginx.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> you can ping it?
[20:32] <LoneElf> gordonDrogon: yup
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> does ssh time out or produce a reject message?
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[20:36] <pksato> LoneElf: default policy is ACCEPT? iptables -L
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[20:37] <LoneElf> @pksato: no iptables on mac.
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[20:37] <pksato> oh...
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[20:37] <LoneElf> but on the other device, yeah, all accept
[20:38] <pksato> and no rules?
[20:38] <pksato> and, iptables -L -t nat
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[20:39] <pksato> enable packet log with, iptables -I INPUT -j log
[20:40] <pksato> run dmesg -c
[20:40] <pksato> try to access from mac
[20:40] <pksato> and run dmesg again.
[20:40] <pksato> have a log entry?
[20:40] <pksato> correct is: iptables -I INPUT -j LOG
[20:41] <pksato> to remove logging: iptables -D INPUT -j LOG
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[20:44] <LoneElf> pksato: output for iptables -L -t nat http://pastebin.com/RDrc6sex
[20:44] <LoneElf> (on R)
[20:45] <pksato> all clear
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[20:46] <LoneElf> pksato: here is some tcpdump output from M after i try to connect to port 80 using HTTP http://pastebin.com/cRJLqUqT
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[21:57] <ybon> hi :) Is there any good advices on how to debug an RPI that doesn't seem to boot?
[21:58] <CoJaBo> anything on the screen?
[21:58] <ybon> I've installed Volumio on a SD, but when I plug the RPI it's stuck with the power red light, and nothing else
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[21:58] <ybon> CoJaBo: I've no screen plugged on it, and sadly no HDMI screen around :s
[22:00] <dkog> ybon: how are you powering it?
[22:01] <ybon> dkog: power adapter 5V
[22:01] <dkog> ybon: how many amps/watts?
[22:02] <niston> last one like that hadnt their SD card inserted properly
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[22:02] <[Saint_]> ybon: is this a B(2), or a B+?
[22:02] <ybon> [Saint_]: B(2) I think, i.e. still normal SD card
[22:02] <[Saint_]> (quick way to tell - 2 ports or 4?)
[22:02] <[Saint_]> aha.
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[22:03] <ybon> niston: I think mine is well inserted, and I've tested with two SD cards
[22:03] <ybon> dkog: let me check that :)
[22:03] <[Saint_]> Hmmm. So its not the B2's "voltage insufficient" warning.
[22:03] <[Saint_]> Hmmm.
[22:03] <[Saint_]> s/B2/B+/
[22:04] <ybon> dkog: 1200ma, that's possible?
[22:04] <[Saint_]> ybon: when you power the device, do any of the other LEDS flash, if so, which, and how many times?
[22:04] <ybon> the model is Power Adaptor Aukru
[22:04] <[Saint_]> 1.2A should be entirely sufficient, if its not lying.
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[22:04] <ybon> [Saint_]: the ACT one or two very very quick time just when I plug
[22:04] <ybon> then nothing else
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[22:05] <[Saint_]> ybon: to give you an accurate answer, I'd need to know _exactly_ how many times it flashes.
[22:05] <dkog> ybon: how confident are you that you imaged the SD card properly?
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[22:05] <[Saint_]> lets not overwhelm the guy until we get an answer here, this is a quick way to tell us exactly what's wrong without speculation.
[22:06] <ybon> [Saint_]: ok, let me check that exactly :)
[22:06] <dkog> there are flashing# codes?
[22:06] <[Saint_]> Yes.
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[22:07] <[Saint_]> see: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[22:07] <[Saint_]> the amount of flashes corresponds to a specific error code.
[22:07] <dkog> very nice
[22:07] <e^ipi> like the old beep codes on 286’s
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[22:07] <[Saint_]> so its very useful to know in situations like this.
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[22:08] <[Saint_]> tells you exactly where one should be looking.
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[22:08] <ybon> [Saint_]: two very quick times and that's all
[22:08] <ybon> dkog: I'm confident, ll on the media shows the expected files
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[22:08] <[Saint_]> Two? I....hmmmm.
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[22:08] <ybon> I've downloaded the NOOBS image, let me try that
[22:09] <[Saint_]> That doesn't correspond to any error I'm aware of but tis highly possible that recent firmwares have changed this and that wiki and/or my recollection isn't intact.
[22:09] <[Saint_]> shiftplusone: Is two ACT flashes a valid error code?
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[22:10] <[Saint_]> You almost certainly don't want the NOOBS image.
[22:10] <[Saint_]> It comes with a bunch of cruft that'll likely only serve to piss you off.
[22:10] <ybon> so with the NOOBS files on a SD, it flashes three times (one quick, one a bit longer, then a pause, then one a bit longer)
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[22:10] <ybon> well, I'm trying the NOOBS image only to try to debug ;)
[22:10] <shiftplusone> [Saint_], From what I've see, it usually means "I tried to boot the power supply does not provide anywhere near enough current"
[22:10] <[Saint_]> Three flashes, from recollection, is loader.bin not found.
[22:10] <[Saint_]> WHich basically means something is screwy with the /boot image
[22:11] <shiftplusone> I could check the source code just in case though. But I recall the elinux article being accurate enough there
[22:11] <[Saint_]> shiftplusone: Ohhh, huh, really. I thought that was B+ specific.
[22:11] <[Saint_]> Good to know.
[22:11] <[Saint_]> If that's something you're positive of, I'll ammend the wiki.
[22:11] <ybon> so that means that my power isn't enough?
[22:11] <shiftplusone> [Saint_], it's not an intentional behaviour.
[22:11] <[Saint_]> Aha.
[22:11] <[Saint_]> Thanks man. You're invaluable.
[22:12] <shiftplusone> [Saint_], it's actually starting to boot and then fails. So you get something that looks like a blinking pattern but isn't.
[22:12] <[Saint_]> Right. Thanks.
[22:12] <[Saint_]> ybon: do you have a multimeter handy?
[22:12] <ybon> humm
[22:12] <ybon> I've one, but let me check if it's here right now
[22:12] <[Saint_]> The next step is looking at checking the voltage across TP1 and TP2 when the device is powered.
[22:13] <[Saint_]> If its below 4.9V (IIRC), there's your definitive answer.
[22:13] <[Saint_]> You might also like to try things like: a shorter USB cable
[22:13] <shiftplusone> 4.7 is when things get iffy
[22:13] <[Saint_]> (longer cable, more resistence)
[22:14] <[Saint_]> shiftplusone - saving [Saint_] from his flawed recollection since '12
[22:14] <shiftplusone> or replacing corrupted memory with more corrupted memory.
[22:15] <shiftplusone> dd if=/shift/urandom of=Saint/mem
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[22:17] <ybon> [Saint_]: sadly, I can't put a hand on my multimeter, I think I've moved it to some other place :(
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[22:18] <[Saint_]> ybon: in that case, you might want to try scrounging around the house for other USB cables to try.
[22:18] <[Saint_]> Its a simple thing to try that can have unexpected results.
[22:18] <[Saint_]> Not all USB cables are alike. Not even remotely close.
[22:18] <ybon> can I use my Nexus 4 adapter?
[22:19] <[Saint_]> Some of them are VERY shoddily made and cause MASSIVE voltage drops over a very short cable run.
[22:19] <[Saint_]> Sure you can.
[22:19] <[Saint_]> And microUSB cable will do.
[22:19] <[Saint_]> *any
[22:19] <dkog> how do we know it's a power problem here?
[22:19] <dkog> or we're still guessing?
[22:19] <shiftplusone> we don't
[22:19] <ybon> aha
[22:20] <ybon> a bit more flashes
[22:20] <shiftplusone> now we do
[22:20] <dkog> haha
[22:20] <shiftplusone> (maybe)
[22:20] <ybon> let me count them again
[22:20] <shiftplusone> can't really say without a multimeter
[22:20] <dkog> this is how all my Raspi troubleshooting goes... "Aha! I figured it out! Oh wait, no..."
[22:21] <ybon> a quick one, then a longuer one, then long pause, then very quick one, then a long blinking one, then nothing more
[22:21] <ybon> and then again only the red light on
[22:21] <shiftplusone> ybon, you're looking for patterns in randomness.
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[22:21] <dkog> it's morse code, she's trying to tell you something
[22:22] <ybon> haha :)
[22:22] <dkog> SEND MORE AMPS. STOP
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[22:23] <dkog> can you guys take a look at "TS4GSDHC10" on this page: http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[22:23] <ybon> I've an old iPhone adapter, let's try again
[22:24] <dkog> this is exactly what's happening to me: it works great until I do a 'dd' disk image (READING ONLY) on another machine, then it's corrupted and boots with that error listed. How does that happen?
[22:24] <dkog> ybon: unplug all USB stuff if you haven't already
[22:24] <ybon> dkog: it's plugged on the wall
[22:24] <dkog> ybon: I mean unplug from the raspi USB ports so there is no extra power draw from devices
[22:25] <dkog> kb, mouse, wifi, etc.
[22:25] <ybon> ah, right, yeah, nothing plugged, but better to ask :)
[22:26] <ybon> So I've tried the brand new Aukru adapter, the Nexus 4 adapter, an old iPhone adapter, directly on my computer with USB cable, but still the same behavior
[22:26] <dkog> has it ever worked?
[22:27] <ybon> it's brand new
[22:27] <ybon> so no
[22:27] <ybon> and it's my first time playing around with RPI
[22:28] <ybon> oh, yet another adapter to test (Samsung)
[22:28] <dkog> my first (and second and third) times were similarly confounding
[22:28] <dkog> as you can see currently the SD card that I bought 5 of apparently corrupts when you back it up, good times
[22:28] <shiftplusone> dkog, is it a class 10?
[22:28] <dkog> yes
[22:28] <shiftplusone> dkog, try the latest firmware (rpi-update)
[22:29] <ybon> ok, no light at all with this other adapter :p
[22:29] <dkog> shiftplusone: is that newer than the newest NOOBS image?
[22:29] <ybon> it's still a good news when one see that things can be worst but actually aren't
[22:29] <shiftplusone> dkog, yes.
[22:29] <shiftplusone> ybon, nexus and non US apple chargers should be fine.
[22:29] <shiftplusone> are the cables the original ones?
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[22:30] <ybon> the Nexus 4 one, yes
[22:30] <dkog> shiftplusone: I'm pretty sure the SD card itself got corrupted though, as I can't even boot now, but it was running fine before I backed up the card. Also my computer can't read the SD card any more but I think a reboot might fix that.
[22:30] <shiftplusone> that should work. I would wait until you can get a multimeter. Maybe you've got a hardware fault. Rare but could be the case.
[22:30] <ybon> okay
[22:30] <dkog> shiftplusone: it's flagged as RED on http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards and shows the exact error and situation as me
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[22:31] <shiftplusone> dkog, you'd need to write a new image and update the firmware, then reboot and hope that it doesn't get corrupted before you reboot.
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[22:31] <dkog> shiftplusone: yeah it only got corrupted when I backed up the SD card, which is really weird because if READING corrupts the card, then I just don't trust it at all
[22:31] <shiftplusone> alternatively, flash the image and copy the firmware manually from your PC
[22:32] <shiftplusone> It's not the card's fault exactly. If it's what I think it is, it's a timing issue with the particular bus it uses and the pi. There's an experimental fix.
[22:32] <[Saint_]> Except for one weird instance I'm not entirely famiar with (though shiftplusone likely is), sdcards are very much a "get what you pay for" type thing.
[22:32] <shiftplusone> If you could be the guinea pig, that would be great.
[22:33] <dkog> but also I have this new B+ and it gets undervoltage pixel all the time even with nothing plugged in, using two different power supplies including 2A hub... Very unpleasant experience overall.
[22:33] <[Saint_]> The cheaper ones are just...dirt.
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[22:33] <shiftplusone> dkog, can't blame the pi there. It's just telling you the voltage is below 4.6V
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[22:34] <dkog> shiftplusone: I don't believe both of my power supplies (both good quality) are providing such low V
[22:34] <dkog> but I will get my meter (in storage) and test it
[22:34] <shiftplusone> dkog, make sure you test it with the pi plugged in.
[22:35] <shiftplusone> though I've recently hotplugged something I should've have and that killed my B+. Ended up shorting something to something and now it draws a lot of current and heats up very fast.... Maybe check if it gets hot to touch within 10 seconds of booting.
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> (the chip in the middle)
[22:36] <ShorTie> wonder if this http://www.adafruit.com/products/2218 would work with 1 of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAPTOP-LCD-LED-SCREEN-FOR-HP-PAVILION-689690-001-15-6-WXGA-HD-DISPLAY-/190795603741 ??
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[22:40] <ShorTie> i got the screen, so i guess it's only a 25 dollar gamble, lol.
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> Only? D=
[22:42] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
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[22:43] <ShorTie> believe me, i've wasted a lot more then that on other toys over the last 53 years .. :/~
[22:43] <shiftplusone> Still.... sandwiches seems like a wiser investment. You can't lose.
[22:44] <shiftplusone> Now then... tea time.
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[22:49] <WACOMalt> Hi folks
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[22:49] <shiftplusone> Hi folk
[22:50] <WACOMalt> :D
[22:50] <WACOMalt> I just installed a 3.5 TFT display
[22:50] <WACOMalt> which "should" have touch
[22:50] <WACOMalt> the documents dont tell you how to get that working though. the only reference they give you is this file: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.6.y/drivers/input/touchscreen/ads7846.c
[22:50] <WACOMalt> I have no idea how to add that driver to my kernel or whatever I have to do. anyone have experience with that? I'm running raspbian
[22:51] <shiftplusone> Shame I don't have the device here to play around.
[22:51] <WACOMalt> I just got my second one today. fried the first one on accident :/
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[22:51] <shiftplusone> yay
[22:52] <[Saint_]> WACOMalt: is there any link to the product description and/or part numbers you can provide?
[22:52] <[Saint_]> sadly "a 3.5" display" is fairly meaningless.
[22:52] <WACOMalt> ah yes, sorry about that
[22:52] <shiftplusone> well, it's probably one of the pitft ones.
[22:52] <shiftplusone> (with notro's fb driver)
[22:53] <WACOMalt> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NANNJLQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:53] <WACOMalt> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ttbox/35screen.zip This is a zip with the manual and driver source for the display
[22:53] <[Saint_]> Doesn't immediately appear to be the Adafruit PiTFT
[22:54] <WACOMalt> nothing came with it for the touch driver aside from a single line in the manual referencing that source I linked to
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[22:54] <WACOMalt> it sounds from forums like Arch for Pi now has this included in their repos to install it
[22:54] <WACOMalt> but raspbian no go
[22:55] <[Saint_]> The second link you supplied details exactly what you need to do.
[22:55] <WACOMalt> for the display, yes
[22:55] <WACOMalt> not for the touch
[22:55] <WACOMalt> I have the display working fine
[22:55] <shiftplusone> Bleh, they don't provide a fb driver either, just some userland thing.
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[22:57] <[Saint_]> From my understanding, the touch element should "Just Work"
[22:57] <WACOMalt> it may on arch. I will try that if I have no luck here
[22:58] <WACOMalt> it sounded, on arch's forums, like they added it to the kernel
[22:58] <[Saint_]> On a side note: Jesus Christ on a Bicycle you got ripped off...
[22:58] <WACOMalt> yeah?
[22:58] <[Saint_]> Yeah.
[22:58] <WACOMalt> the case is alright
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[22:58] <WACOMalt> didnt come with the heatsinks as advirtised, but not that those mattered anyways
[22:58] <WACOMalt> what is a better display that can run at 480x320?
[22:59] <shiftplusone> people badmouth adafruit, but seriously... case in point right there.
[22:59] <WACOMalt> they do? I like adafruit
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[22:59] <[Saint_]> I badmouth Adafruit for /some/ things.
[22:59] <shiftplusone> not to mention that adafruit donated money to the guy who wrote the pitft framebuffer driver
[22:59] <WACOMalt> http://www.amazon.com/review/R1H8RAHW3XCC0V/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00NANNJLQ
[22:59] <[Saint_]> Some of their pricing is undeniable ridiculous.
[22:59] <WACOMalt> that's my review
[23:00] <WACOMalt> good lord typos batman
[23:01] <[Saint_]> WACOMalt: the PiTFT display adapter boards are smaller in size (fits the pi a lot better, though), and has a lesser resolution, but is widely supported, and offers GPIO extender legs and a bunch of surface mounts for adding configurable buttons.
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[23:01] <[Saint_]> And its only like ~$30, IIRC
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[23:02] <WACOMalt> everywhere I saw was at least $35
[23:02] <ShorTie> blaaa.....
[23:02] <WACOMalt> up to $45
[23:02] <WACOMalt> this, coming with the case and heatsinks and being higher res, SOUNDed like a better deal
[23:02] <WACOMalt> in any case, there is a touch driver source. anyone know what would be required for me to build and install it?
[23:03] <[Saint_]> Coming with heatsinks should've been a red flag from the beginning.
[23:03] <WACOMalt> true
[23:03] <ShorTie> it's not the 25 dollar, or the 4.50 cable that gets me, it's the freaking 13.34 shipping .. :(~
[23:03] <[Saint_]> But granted not many people know exactly how irrelevant they are.
[23:03] <[Saint_]> They actually make things *worse*.
[23:03] <WACOMalt> yeah
[23:03] <WACOMalt> I didnt plan to use them, just annoyed it had yet another thing not as advertized
[23:03] <[Saint_]> Said touch driver source almost assuredly has a README
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[23:04] <WACOMalt> nope
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[23:04] <WACOMalt> the source it links to is in the raspberrypi github repo, as part of the linux source
[23:04] <[Saint_]> link?
[23:04] <[Saint_]> Ah.
[23:04] <WACOMalt> already linked, but here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.6.y/drivers/input/touchscreen/ads7846.c
[23:05] <ShorTie> and now for a B+
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[23:06] <[Saint_]> That would suggest to me that said driver is already included and should "Just Work"
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[23:07] <shiftplusone> If it's enabled
[23:07] <WACOMalt> well, it doesnt with newest raspian image
[23:07] <shiftplusone> (in the .config)
[23:07] <shiftplusone> but even then, not necessarily.
[23:07] <WACOMalt> how does one enable a specific driver in the config?
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[23:08] <SpeakerToMeat> Hi, stupid question but I can't easily find a stupid answer.
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[23:09] <shiftplusone> sounds like a very long question
[23:09] <[Saint_]> SpeakerToMeat: are we supposed to guess? :)
[23:09] <shiftplusone> I thought he was typing it out.
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[23:09] <SpeakerToMeat> I see the OpenMAX library is an universal thing, so I'm guessing for the pi it relies on certain devices/calls/hooks being present in the kernel (for hardware decoding). So I'm guessing a kernel module. Since afaik the specs for the broadcom chip have been released to the pi foundation to give away but there's no (again afaik) oss module/library set yet, is there any way to get and use the closed kernel
[23:09] <SpeakerToMeat> for rapsbian, or layer/hook the modules into a default raspbian kernel?
[23:10] <shiftplusone> See?.... Lengthy.
[23:10] <SpeakerToMeat> shiftplusone: You thought correctly
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[23:10] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, not sure I understand.
[23:11] <SpeakerToMeat> Next time I'll divide the greeting, and the question preamble into the question itself
[23:11] <shiftplusone> Everything that runs on ARM is open. What are you after, specifically?
[23:11] <SpeakerToMeat> shiftplusone: Hardware decoded h264 on raspbian
[23:11] <shiftplusone> It's okay to skip the preamble.
[23:11] <SpeakerToMeat> shiftplusone: I still like to start with a greeting
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[23:12] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, You mean you want to do decoding by twiddling the hw registers rather than using oopenmax?
[23:12] <shiftplusone> *openmax
[23:13] <SpeakerToMeat> I mean I know there's openmax in raspbian, but I see on the openmax wiki that it's a library and standard of sorts.... so it's not made FOR the raspberry... thus it must have a custom form of hooking to the pi hardware and I'm wondering wether that form works on raspbian
[23:13] <shiftplusone> the API is standard, but the implementation is not, if that makes sense.
[23:14] <shiftplusone> but yes, that's all open.
[23:14] <shiftplusone> aside from what the firmware does.
[23:14] <shiftplusone> sec, let me skim through the userland source
[23:15] <SpeakerToMeat> I.... have trouble understanding the place of "firmware" in here.... where does the firmware reside in this case? is it a layer over the kernel? does the bootloader/image read by the pi include a firmware that wraps around the kernel?
[23:15] <SpeakerToMeat> or is the firmware basically a closed kernel or a kernel with closed parts?
[23:16] <SpeakerToMeat> For me, the person between openmax and the chip is the kernel..... in my worldview. so if there are other layers I'd love to learn
[23:16] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, the firmware is mostly start.elf. It runs on the GPU, fires up the ARM, loads the kernel and hands control over to the ARM.
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[23:16] <SpeakerToMeat> Oh the firmware, I'm stupid.
[23:17] <SpeakerToMeat> So like any of the million kernel drivers on linux with a firmware... it's a binary blob read from fs by the kernel module/driver and loaded into the chip's memory
[23:17] * SpeakerToMeat hits himself on the head
[23:17] <shiftplusone> Nope, it's the first thing that runs, before linux.
[23:17] <SpeakerToMeat> Aaaand, the calls that firmware provides are known (open spec) but the firmware code is not....
[23:17] <shiftplusone> it actually loads linux
[23:18] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok, so then its a sort of bootloader/firmware.
[23:18] <shiftplusone> exactly
[23:18] <SpeakerToMeat> and, it's in elf format? interesting
[23:18] <shiftplusone> yup
[23:18] <SpeakerToMeat> Yes the kernel must have some sort of module/driver that accesses these known calls... I can't see openmax contacting the firmware directly, not without getting queasy
[23:18] <[Saint_]> high, wood, or dark?
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[23:19] <SpeakerToMeat> It's a sort of nvidia (on linux) setup, only in this case the firmware is not burned in chip but loaded from the sd by the device.. which makes it more readily upgradeable.... nice
[23:19] <shiftplusone> [Saint_], What is it with you and having to classify things by race? >=/
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[23:19] <SpeakerToMeat> Is this firmware limited to the GPU chip or does it encompase other (cpu) areas of the pi?
[23:19] <SpeakerToMeat> shiftplusone: He's hooked into 20q, poor guy
[23:19] <[Saint_]> The type of elf is important!
[23:20] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint_]: It's a half elf, so go on and start with racist comments.
[23:20] <SpeakerToMeat> Half breeds are always despised by everyone
[23:20] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, well, it's all one chip with shared memory, so it's hard to answer that.
[23:20] * SpeakerToMeat pictures a half elf, half kender hybrid
[23:20] <SpeakerToMeat> shiftplusone: Interesting.
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[23:21] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, if you're interested in the internals, https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv
[23:21] <SpeakerToMeat> shiftplusone: Thanks for the answer... so basically, just having a copy of the right firmware elf file, you could have it load any kind of linxu kernel you can dream of. good
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[23:21] <shiftplusone> that's where most of the reverse-engineered info is.
[23:21] <SpeakerToMeat> Didn't Qualcomm release lots of the specs of the video vore?
[23:21] <SpeakerToMeat> core
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[23:21] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, yes, it doesn't have to be linux eeither. People have ported other operating systems. Bare metal works fine too
[23:22] <SpeakerToMeat> Or what was released is only the calls the fw provides
[23:22] <shiftplusone> *Broadcom ?
[23:22] <SpeakerToMeat> How does the fw load the os? direct load or mbr style?
[23:22] <SpeakerToMeat> Duh yes Broadcom
[23:22] <shiftplusone> It loads kernel.img into memory and then hands control over to the ARM.
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[23:23] <shiftplusone> kernel.img CAN be linux, or something else.
[23:23] <shiftplusone> for example, u-boot.
[23:23] <SpeakerToMeat> true
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[23:23] <SpeakerToMeat> or redboot ;)
[23:24] <SpeakerToMeat> Nice thanks I learned a shitton today....
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[23:24] <SpeakerToMeat> It's shameful how little I've done with my pis so far
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[23:24] <SpeakerToMeat> Does the kernel do provide an interface for the gpu/firmware to user space, right?
[23:25] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I think it's vchiq and mailbox.
[23:25] <shiftplusone> As far as what Broadcom releases... There's documentation for the ARM peripherals and 3D stuff (all of it). So more than enough to write an operating system.
[23:25] <shiftplusone> The interfaces like mmal and openmax are a little tricky.
[23:25] <shiftplusone> but there's documentation in the form of source code for things like omxplayer and raspivid.
[23:26] <shiftplusone> There's also more documentation in the pipeline for release, but that's probably going to take a long time.
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[23:26] <SpeakerToMeat> Yes, I'm guessing it's just a matter of elbow grease to implement interfaces for the gpu stuff on libav or gstream
[23:26] <shiftplusone> The goal is to open up as much as possible, without risking lawsuits.
[23:27] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm guessing for the way the whole thing is set up, some of the stuff (non 3D or arm stuff, stuff like hardware video decoding) works/is treated in a manner similar (not identical) to how fpgas work. I'm guessing
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[23:28] <SpeakerToMeat> they might internally hook/use paths burned into the asic, but they're coded in some form of gate definition language
[23:28] <shiftplusone> not sure what you mean there
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[23:45] <SpeakerToMeat> Ugh, teh pi fundation images are preloaded with much stuff
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[23:46] <WACOMalt> well, I at least managed to get this display running in native 480x320 rather than downsized 960x640
[23:46] <WACOMalt> helped a lot
[23:47] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, look up raspbian-ua-netinst
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[23:48] <SpeakerToMeat> Yes it's what I'm using
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[23:49] <SpeakerToMeat> Would it "pay" to change the kernel and firmware by the ones in the newest pi foundation debian image?
[23:49] <SpeakerToMeat> Oh well it has a script to build so I'm sure it will pull or accept ones readily
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[23:57] <shiftplusone> SpeakerToMeat, there are three different kernels people tend to use. There's the one provided by the foundation in the raspberrypi-bootloader package. There's an alternative provided by the raspbian project. And then there's the absolute latest on github, which you can get using rpi-update.
[23:57] <shiftplusone> Each one has its advantages and disadvantages
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[23:57] <shiftplusone> raspbian-ua-netinst will use the raspbian.org kernel.
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