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IRC Log for 2014-10-30

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[0:00] <SpeakerToMeat> For people developing embedded (custom) raspbian /me nods
[0:00] <[Saint_]> It'd be nice if there was a metapackage for the bleeding edge foundation kernel
[0:00] <SpeakerToMeat> meh
[0:00] * SpeakerToMeat nods
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[0:00] <shiftplusone> [Saint_], there is.
[0:01] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=80023
[0:01] <[Saint_]> wELL...HUH, til.
[0:01] <[Saint_]> eek, sorry caps.
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[0:02] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint_]: Thanks for not voicing half elf hate
[0:02] <SpeakerToMeat> At least it's not half PE half elf
[0:02] <shiftplusone> Don't remind him, he's a loose canon.
[0:03] <SpeakerToMeat> Oh my
[0:04] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm guessing omxplayer and raspvid are both X11 based?
[0:04] <shiftplusone> not at all
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[0:04] <SpeakerToMeat> They output/play directly to the gpu?
[0:05] <shiftplusone> depending on your definition of directly, yes.
[0:06] <SpeakerToMeat> Does it use fb? or a different kernel enabled mechanism?
[0:06] <SpeakerToMeat> I want to make a quick and dirty gui for this thing, so I'm looking at FB enabled "small" libraries.
[0:06] <shiftplusone> it uses the aforementioned hooks to the firmware
[0:06] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok
[0:07] <SpeakerToMeat> I might end up trying to do the ui in PySDL directly to fb, but trouble there is sdl doesn't have much of a widget library... so I'm gonna choose an alternative my myself.
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[0:08] <shiftplusone> there's qt embedded and ways to use gtk without X.
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[0:09] <SpeakerToMeat> Yes, I used to like qte... a long time ago
[0:09] <shiftplusone> Anyway.... Think I'll go home before I am known as the creepy guy who lives at work.
[0:09] <SpeakerToMeat> thanks for all the help shiftplusone
[0:09] <shiftplusone> (11AM here)
[0:09] <SpeakerToMeat> I might end up doing pygame with a library for a quick and dirty gui
[0:09] <shiftplusone> Why not write your own SDL UI toolkit?
[0:10] <shiftplusone> It's an interesting/educational project.
[0:10] <SpeakerToMeat> Maybe
[0:10] <shiftplusone> I've tried twice. Ended up shelving the project, but learned a lot both times.
[0:11] <shiftplusone> Anyway, be back in a few minutes.
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[0:41] <WACOMalt> `Man, I just made my Pi setup sexy
[0:41] <WACOMalt> Took the ModMyPi B+ ballistic black case
[0:41] <WACOMalt> cut out the top square and my 3.5" panel fits PERFECTLY in it
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[0:43] <WACOMalt> looks hella better than the case that came with the screen
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[0:43] <WACOMalt> now if I get touch working then I will have a perfect portable PC
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[1:28] <dkog> is there any special electrical meter probe that's useful for working with raspi? e.g. something that connects to two adjacent GPIO pins
[1:29] <dkog> or just to connect to one pin, use a little alligator clip? or something better?
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[1:29] <niston> a jumper wire?
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[1:33] <dkog> niston: can you show a pic of what you mean?
[1:33] <dkog> WACOMalt: that sounds cool. I'm surprised nobody sells a kit like that already
[1:34] <WACOMalt> there are some
[1:34] <WACOMalt> just for smaller screens
[1:34] <dkog> i haven't seen any
[1:34] <WACOMalt> I was amazed the size of that little indentation on the top was exactly the size of this thing
[1:34] <WACOMalt> well the screen I got originally came with a case designed for it
[1:34] <WACOMalt> it was just a junk case
[1:34] <dkog> do you have a photo?
[1:34] <WACOMalt> I will shortly
[1:35] <WACOMalt> was reinstalling, have to set up the LCD again
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[1:35] <dkog> that case looks nice by itself tho
[1:35] <dkog> why "junk" ?
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[1:36] <WACOMalt> No I mean the case the LCD came with was junk
[1:36] <WACOMalt> its some acrylic cutout, assemble your own thing
[1:37] <WACOMalt> the ballistic case is great
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[1:39] <dkog> would love to see pics. i've been looking for an off the shelf mini LCD+Raspi enclosure kit
[1:39] <dkog> it's so odd that nothing like that exists, seems like it would be popular
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[1:43] <WACOMalt> dkog, http://imgur.com/NP4HcWU
[1:43] <WACOMalt> there ya go
[1:43] <WACOMalt> got a tiny edimax wifi dongle, and tiny panda BT4.0 dongle
[1:44] <WACOMalt> also I use a 11200mAH battery pack
[1:44] <WACOMalt> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BB5GR0A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 this one
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[1:44] <WACOMalt> I need to rig up a more tiny power cord though. having a 4ft USB cord is a bit unruly
[1:45] <ozzzy> I put an RCA jack on my case to bring in power
[1:45] <WACOMalt> that's clever
[1:45] <dkog> very nice
[1:46] <ozzzy> I connect it so that the polyfuse/diode are still in play
[1:46] <dkog> runs for about 12 hours or so?
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[1:47] <dkog> power over RCA?
[1:47] <WACOMalt> now I just have to figure out this touch input
[1:47] <WACOMalt> driving me nuts because I have the freaking source to make it work
[1:47] <WACOMalt> but I cant get it to work
[1:47] <dkog> hey WACOMalt does the battery fit inside the base or it's separate?
[1:48] <WACOMalt> separate
[1:48] <WACOMalt> I did get the riser for the pi though so I could probably fit the pipower module and a decent sized battery if I wanted to
[1:48] <WACOMalt> *riser for the case
[1:49] <dkog> it will become a nice cube :)
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[1:50] <WACOMalt> indeed :)
[1:50] <WACOMalt> at current though I'll be happy with some tie straps holding the powerbrick to it with a nice clean cord
[1:50] <Sonny_Jim> Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square
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[1:51] <WACOMalt> and every cube is a rectangular prism, but not every rectangular prism is a cube
[1:51] <WACOMalt> :E
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[1:54] <WACOMalt> dangit
[1:54] <WACOMalt> apparently with this LCD, the Pi cant actually shutdown...
[1:55] <WACOMalt> pulled power, now it wont even boot
[1:55] <WACOMalt> son of a...
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[1:55] <dkog> :( this is why a kit would be so great
[1:56] <WACOMalt> this is why any response from the makers of this panel would be so great
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[1:56] <dkog> don't hold your breath
[1:57] <WACOMalt> so is there anything you can do if you system wont boot?
[1:57] <WACOMalt> freezes on the startup text?
[1:57] <dkog> how far does it get?
[1:58] <WACOMalt> gets to starting dphys-swapfile
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[1:58] <dkog> sounds like SD got corrupted from pulling power?
[1:58] <WACOMalt> I'm going to make a shell script that will do the whole setup automatically for me
[1:58] <WACOMalt> yeah looks like
[1:58] <dkog> these SD cards are kind of a joke
[1:59] <WACOMalt> yeah :/
[1:59] <dkog> WACOMalt: check out "Ansible" for automating provisioning.
[1:59] <dkog> http://www.ansible.com
[1:59] <WACOMalt> I just dont know how I'll be able to actually shut down this thing
[1:59] <WACOMalt> if I do shutdown, it gets to trying to kill the x server, seems to fail, the LCD gets all manner of effed up and it never turns off
[1:59] <dkog> you can flash a new Raspbian, get the IP addr, then run your Ansible script against it from another computer on network
[2:00] <WACOMalt> if I could sucessfully shut it down at least once after setting it up I would make an image of the SD so this could go faster
[2:01] <dkog> WACOMalt: I was trying to do that yesterday, and then making the image of my SD card corrupted the SD card itself, so I'm back to square 1
[2:01] <dkog> I really think these SD cards are not the right tech here
[2:01] <WACOMalt> yeah
[2:01] <WACOMalt> I was setting my OUYA up with debian the other day
[2:01] <WACOMalt> boots from a USB flash drive
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[2:02] <WACOMalt> never got through the setup though
[2:02] <dkog> yeah I think I might just make an SD card image that boots from root fs on USB device and stop messing with SD cards
[2:02] <dkog> it just seems silly that we're stuck with these glitchy things
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[2:03] <WACOMalt> hmm, that's a really good idea
[2:03] <WACOMalt> just get a little 8GB micro USB drive
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[2:04] <dkog> yeah it should be faster than SD too. also you can mount your root fs as readonly and put /var on tmpfs (ramdisk) to minimize wear and risk
[2:04] <Sonny_Jim> The project I'm using my Pi for I won't be able to signal to the Pi when I'm about to cut power, so my plan is to read only the whole SD filesystem and keep everything else on USB
[2:04] <Sonny_Jim> USB will be the same speed as SD
[2:04] <Sonny_Jim> It's the same bus
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[2:06] <WACOMalt> what's the proper way in linux to search a text file for a string and replace it with something else?
[2:06] <dkog> that would make for a helluva kit: raspi b+, enclosure, touch LCD panel mounted, SD set up read-only to boot USB, Raspbian installed on USB
[2:07] <dkog> WACOMalt: you want to use "sed"
[2:07] <WACOMalt> ok
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[2:09] <methuzla> WACOMalt: sed -i 's/OLDSTRING/NEWSTRING/g' filename
[2:09] <WACOMalt> what is the g ?
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[2:10] <dkog> g=global, ie whole file
[2:10] <methuzla> global (does it to all strings, not just first match)
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[2:11] <WACOMalt> gotcha
[2:11] <WACOMalt> sed -i.bak -e 's/#framebuffer_width=1280/framebuffer_width=480/' /boot/config.txt
[2:11] <WACOMalt> sed -i.bak -e 's/#framebuffer_height=720/framebuffer_height=320/' /boot/config.txt
[2:11] <WACOMalt> I think those are right
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[2:17] <WACOMalt> http://pastie.org/9684611 This look right to you guys?
[2:17] <WACOMalt> new to bash scripting
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[2:19] <dkog> WACOMalt: seriously check out Ansible
[2:20] <WACOMalt> I will
[2:20] <dkog> you can tell it like "make sure this file is in this place", "make sure this other file doesn't have this line in it, but it has this other line in it"
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[2:59] <yggdrasil> hello, is there any discussion regarding setting my wireless interface to reconnect after disconnecting ?
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[3:02] <ring0> not yet
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[3:03] <yggdrasil> isee.
[3:03] <yggdrasil> so looks like /etc/ifplugd/actin.d
[3:03] <yggdrasil> cp /etc/wpa_supplucatnt ifupdown.sh ./ifupdown
[3:03] <yggdrasil> reboot.
[3:03] <yggdrasil> cool.
[3:03] <yggdrasil> going to try it brb
[3:03] <ring0> write a script. done.
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[3:06] <yggdrasil> theres allready one
[3:09] <yggdrasil> cool. done
[3:09] <yggdrasil> that was kind of annoyint me.
[3:10] <yggdrasil> annointing me.
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[3:21] <WACOMalt> So
[3:22] <WACOMalt> I think my issues with the Pi not booting are ACTUALLY
[3:22] <WACOMalt> that the clean shutdown script for the LCD detaches something basically making me runnign headless when I shut down
[3:22] <WACOMalt> and when I reboot it never actualy initiates a console of nay type
[3:23] <WACOMalt> yeah, I can still SSH in
[3:24] <WACOMalt> anyone know what is getting disconnected here and how I can make it connect to a console automatically on boot?
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[3:40] <dkog> WACOMalt: /etc/inittab spawns the consoles
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[3:46] <WACOMalt> how can I run that without ssh?
[3:47] <WACOMalt> and make sure that always happens on boot
[3:47] <WACOMalt> also, command not found dkog
[3:47] <dkog> WACOMalt: it's not a command, it's a config file
[3:48] <WACOMalt> oh
[3:48] <WACOMalt> any idea why it wouldnt be getting read on boot?
[3:48] <dkog> I'm sure it is getting read
[3:49] <dkog> I'm just saying that's what's responsible for spawning the console processes
[3:49] <dkog> maybe they are running but not connecting to screen... who knows
[3:49] <dkog> but it's one place to look if maybe your LCD driver messed with that file
[3:50] <WACOMalt> yeah all the rc 0 and stuff are still there
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[4:12] <WACOMalt> ok, if I type startx from an SSH session (since I dont have console on the screen itself) the desktop environment loads just fine
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[4:13] <WACOMalt> but this is how it sits until I do that. I have no way to launch anything on the device itself
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[4:19] <WACOMalt> http://imgur.com/mxk1xwA
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[5:43] <WACOMalt> Anyone know how to access a console on Raspbian if you dont have SSH access, and your pi isnt booting directly to a console or desktop?
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[5:44] <WACOMalt> if I hit Alt F1 or something to get a console it just flashes the curson
[5:44] <WACOMalt> *cursor, there's no prompt at all
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[5:48] <WACOMalt> dead in here at night :/
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[5:53] <WACOMalt> holy crap I'm an idiot...
[5:53] <WACOMalt> ethernet cord had come loos a bit from the wall
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[6:13] <WACOMalt> can someone please copy me the contents of their /etc/network/interfaces ?
[6:13] <WACOMalt> I borked mine with no backup :/
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[6:24] <PhirePhly> WACOMalt: man interfaces not helping?
[6:24] <WACOMalt> I got it, thanks
[6:24] <WACOMalt> I just needed to disable the bridge since Im not gonna use it anyways
[6:26] <WACOMalt> so I also discovered that while on my LCD screen I cant ever get to a console, if I plug in HDMI I can see that that is where consoles are opening
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[6:26] <WACOMalt> if I hit Alt F4 for example
[6:28] <dkog> WACOMalt: so the boot log shows on the screen but no consoles?
[6:28] <WACOMalt> yup
[6:28] <dkog> how is the LCD connected?
[6:28] <WACOMalt> it's via GPIO pins
[6:29] <WACOMalt> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NANNJLQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[6:29] <WACOMalt> this is the display
[6:29] <WACOMalt> kinda a crap one imo. cant get touch working
[6:29] <WACOMalt> but that's not the issue at hand
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[6:32] <dkog> nice reviews :)
[6:35] <WACOMalt> thanks :P
[6:36] <dkog> how are you feeling right now, about a 2 star?
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[6:39] <dkog> if it makes you feel any better, i missed my micro SD slot and my SD card is now bouncing around the inside of my securely sealed case
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[7:01] <damo22> where can i find a tutorial on using simple switches with rpi
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[7:03] <damo22> i mean connected to the gpio pins
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[7:53] <damo22> do you use internal pull up and then short the pin to ground with a switch? or do you use internal pull DOWN and then short the pin to 3v3 with a switch?
[7:54] <damo22> or do both of those fry the pi
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[7:59] <dkog> damo22: be careful... you need the right resistors
[8:00] <damo22> dkog: i am using wiringPi with the pullUpDnControl and pinMode settings
[8:00] <dkog> damo22: I don't actually know how, but I've seen tutorials and vaguely remember that the right resistors were important (10K, 1K ?) or you would fry
[8:00] <damo22> as long as i set the pinmode to input and turn on the internal pullup/downs it should work
[8:01] <damo22> i dont need extra resistors
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[8:05] <damo22> i will use pull up mode and then short my switch on the pin to ground
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[9:22] <niston> damo22: http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Interface_Circuits
[9:22] <damo22> niston: i figured it out, it's working thanks
[9:22] <niston> yep
[9:23] <damo22> now i can send an email when the water tank gets too low
[9:26] <niston> great :)
[9:26] <ShorTie> internal pull up/downs are nice, but for safty, nothing bets a external resistor
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[9:35] <dkog> so you can just short it without the resistor?
[9:35] <ShorTie> No
[9:36] <dkog> is that not what damo22 said he's doing?
[9:36] <damo22> if you set up the software correctly you dont actually need any resistors, but its not safe unless you do it right
[9:36] <ShorTie> i believe he said he was using the internal resistor
[9:37] <ShorTie> exactly damo22
[9:37] <dkog> ah - sounds dangerous, but good luck!
[9:38] <damo22> i can send you source code that lets you short gpio pin directly to ground and have it detect the change
[9:39] <dkog> what if the power cuts off and on and as your raspi is rebooting (before setting up internal pull down resistor in SW), the switch triggers?
[9:40] <damo22> lets see, well i set the mode as "pull up" not "pull down"
[9:42] <ShorTie> i think is saying, if it is shorted out before your software is run and configures the internal resistor, what happens then ??
[9:43] <dkog> right
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[9:43] <ShorTie> is the magic smoke let out ??
[9:43] <damo22> well what happens if you dont change anything on your pi and wire one of the gpio pins to ground?
[9:44] <dkog> power failure, everybody gets naked and takes hot showers together, water tank empties, power is restored, raspi boots up and shorts out because switch is triggered before SW can set up magic internal resistors
[9:44] <niston> a pull-up/down prevents pins from floating.
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[9:45] <ShorTie> but should not really be used as a current limiter ??
[9:45] <niston> http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Interface_Circuits
[9:45] <niston> look @ first circuit
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[9:45] <niston> when button is pressed, what happens?
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[9:46] <ShorTie> current flows, hehe
[9:48] <ShorTie> yup, that l00ks like the best method to me 2 to hook up a button/switch
[9:48] <niston> short to ground is what happens.
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[9:49] <niston> the R1 is just there to pull up the GPIO line to 3.3v if the button is not pressed.
[9:49] <niston> so it is not floating when button is unpressed.
[9:49] <ShorTie> but you have the resitor in there to limit the current flow
[9:49] <niston> not exactly.
[9:49] <niston> not when the button is pressed.
[9:49] <damo22> so what is the default state of the pi when it boots
[9:50] <niston> to limit current flowing from GPIO to GND, it would have to be in series with that path
[9:50] <damo22> well stuff it, i can add one resistor in the path by hand to the 3v3 pin and bypass the internal resistor
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[9:51] <ShorTie> it is in there for limiting the current, a by product of where it is place it keeps the pin from floating, imho
[9:51] <damo22> but then what happens if the internal resistor is configured to be enabled
[9:51] <damo22> before it boot
[9:51] <damo22> s
[9:51] <niston> keeping the pin from floating is *not* a byproduct
[9:52] <niston> it is the *primary* function of the resistor
[9:52] <damo22> no if the internal pull up is not configured, then it just disconnects by default
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[9:53] <damo22> it never hard wires 3v3 to the gpio unless you drive the pin high with a command
[9:53] <damo22> but i only read the pin, never write to it
[9:54] <damo22> so its safe to use pull up internally
[9:54] <dkog> isn't it odd that it's so complicated to add a button/switch?
[9:54] <niston> complicated? :o
[9:55] <dkog> as in damo22 wants to connect a basic switch, and here we are talking about resistors, software configuration, edge cases, etc. instead of just conecting a switch
[9:55] <niston> just do it :)
[9:55] <dkog> there you go - it's only $35!
[9:55] <niston> the resistor is there to put the line to a defined level if the button is depressed.
[9:55] <damo22> yea i did already
[9:55] <damo22> it works
[9:56] <damo22> but my switch is borked
[9:56] <damo22> i have to use a wire by hand to test
[9:56] <niston> it wouldn't even need to be a resistor. you could connect it to 3.3v directly. BUT
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[9:56] <niston> when you press the switch and have no resistor, you will short 3.3v to GND.
[9:57] <niston> so in that sense, yes, it limits current.
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[9:58] <damo22> hmm when i use "mail" to send an email i never get it
[9:58] <ShorTie> heck, as a float level, you could just use 2 bare wires
[9:59] <ShorTie> just make sure they are far enough apart so they do not hold a drop of water
[10:00] <damo22> what is a good command line program to send email?
[10:03] <dkog> I don't get it then, why do you need a resistor?
[10:04] <ShorTie> to limit the current
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[10:05] <niston> read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull-up_resistor
[10:05] <ShorTie> i=e/r, so as you change r, restance, you change the current
[10:06] <ShorTie> thus they are current limiters
[10:06] <niston> pulldown is the same but pulls to logic low.
[10:06] <dkog> how does the first circuit in http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Interface_Circuits work?
[10:06] <niston> when the switch is pressed, GPIO is shorted to GND => low
[10:06] <niston> when the switch is depressed, GPIO is connected by resistor to 3.3v => high
[10:07] <niston> if you remove the resistor, GPIO will be unconnected when the switch is depressed.
[10:07] <ShorTie> when the switched is pressed, you complete the circuit, which makes the current flow
[10:07] <niston> this is known as "floating"
[10:07] <niston> means it will be unclear what logic level (H/L) it's at when reading.
[10:07] <niston> some stuff will act really ugly when it has floating pins.
[10:08] <dkog> "depressed" you mean not pressed, right?
[10:08] <niston> yep
[10:08] <niston> open
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[10:10] <dkog> ok that makes sense. so when you say resistor is to limit current, is it just to prevent float, or for something else?
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[10:10] <niston> in the case of a pull-up/down, yes.
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[10:11] <dkog> here they use no resistor on the switches: http://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/quick-reaction-game/
[10:13] <dkog> so I still don't understand why/when you would need them
[10:13] <niston> look at it like this
[10:13] <dkog> does this circuit not suffer from unknown floating?
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[10:14] <niston> logic circuits work with voltage levels
[10:15] <niston> if a pin is floating, it has no reference to either high or low logic level
[10:16] <dkog> aren't the 2 pins floating when neither button is pressed in that example game?
[10:16] <niston> yes
[10:16] <dkog> so...
[10:16] <niston> internal pullups used
[10:17] <dkog> just by GPIO.setup(3, GPIO.IN) ?
[10:17] <niston> afaik almost all GPIOs have internal ones
[10:17] <niston> GPIO28/29 dont
[10:18] <niston> and uh
[10:18] <niston> 45/46 dont either (compute module)
[10:21] <dkog> in the diagram they have the buttons connected between GND and GPIO... so if raspi is not configured to do input, then the button closed/open doesn't matter, it's just GND. but when it's configured for input on those pins, then it does internal pull-up, and it gives controlled current to GPIO pin which it can detect if it's completing circuit to GND... ?
[10:21] <niston> logic works with voltage, not current
[10:22] <niston> thats also why you use high resistor values for pullup/down
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[10:22] <ShorTie> but is not the defualt, on power up, input ??
[10:22] <niston> it measures voltage between input pin and GND, basically
[10:23] <dkog> ok so the GPIO pin in input mode provides some voltage
[10:23] <niston> in input mode?
[10:23] <dkog> and closing circuit with GND lets it detect that
[10:23] <niston> no.
[10:23] <niston> it measures voltage.
[10:23] <niston> between pin and gnd.
[10:23] <niston> if you connect it to 3.3v, it will be 3.3v => high.
[10:23] <dkog> connect what?
[10:24] <niston> the pin
[10:24] <niston> the input pin
[10:24] <dkog> sorry i am slow with this stuff, i'm a software guy :)
[10:24] <niston> there's a circuit inside the silicon that measures voltage on the input pin and compares it to high and low levels (3.3v and 0V).
[10:24] <niston> so am I =)
[10:25] <dkog> i'm good with line level AC stuff, but digital circuitry not so much
[10:25] <niston> i like TTL logic
[10:25] <niston> not the high speed stuff mind you, but basic TTL logic. its rather simple.
[10:25] <dkog> ok so think of the pin just as a single measuring point then, and it compares it to +V aswell as GND
[10:26] <niston> analog circuits can get complicated really quick
[10:26] <niston> where you have to take into account all kinds of parameters
[10:26] <niston> and do heaps of advanced calculcations
[10:26] <niston> digital logic is easy: 5V = 1, 0V = 0
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[10:27] <niston> but yes
[10:27] <dkog> i just have a hard time going between conceptual models of flow, positive, negative, voltage, etc.
[10:27] <niston> if comparator finds input is near high reference (3.3v or 5V, usually VCC)
[10:28] <dkog> i think maybe i overanalyze it
[10:28] <niston> it will deem the input HIGH
[10:28] <niston> hence you see why floating pins can be bad
[10:28] <dkog> i stopped trying to understand it so much and now it makes more sense
[10:29] <dkog> before i was trying to imagine electron flow, but now i'm looking at the pull-up resistor diagram, and i see the resistor just like a big dam blocking stuff, and it makes more sense
[10:29] <niston> imagine a tank
[10:29] <niston> with a thin pipe
[10:29] <niston> filling water into it
[10:29] <niston> thats the pullup
[10:29] <niston> now imagine theres a thick pipe going to a pump
[10:29] <niston> that can either fill or empty the tank
[10:30] <niston> or, to stay with our example,
[10:30] <niston> a thick pipe blocked by a valve with a big lever
[10:30] <niston> u pull the lever (button), water is drained
[10:31] <niston> if you dont pull it, the tank fills back up
[10:31] <niston> sort of crude analogy tho
[10:32] <niston> but the idea in pullups/downs is to provide a weak signal
[10:32] <niston> background signal
[10:32] <niston> that can be overridden by a real signal
[10:33] <dkog> what is the GPIO pin in this analogy?
[10:33] <niston> the tank :)
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[10:44] <dkog> dumb question: resisters drop voltage or current?
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[10:46] <CoJaBo> dkog: they increase resistance.. which kinda affects both
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[10:49] <ShorTie> depends on if you hold either 1 of those at a constant level, other wize it does effect both
[10:50] <dkog> in the examples we're talking about, the resistor doesn't affect voltage, right?
[10:50] <ShorTie> for the switch ??
[10:50] <dkog> yes
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[10:51] <dkog> the V drop is fixed, right?
[10:51] <ShorTie> no, basically the voltage there is held at a constant, so it is used to limit current
[10:51] <ShorTie> only becuase the voltage is held at a constant
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[10:52] <kd7jwc> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/75448/how-to-reduce-dc-voltage-using-resistors
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[10:54] <ShorTie> and the constance of the voltage goes all the way back to your power, the pi really does not hold much to that matter
[10:54] <ShorTie> blaaa..
[10:55] <niston> voltage drop across a resistor is dependent on the current flowing.
[10:55] <ShorTie> and the constancecy of the voltage goes all the way back to your pi power supply, the pi really does not hold much to that matter, other the to limit it to a maximun
[10:55] <niston> thats how multimeters measure amps btw
[10:55] <niston> as the voltage across the resistor is proportional to current
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[10:57] <ShorTie> so take for example, a 5v regulator, all it does is provide a maxium of 5v, it by it's self can not do any thing to increase the voltage to 5v
[10:58] <dkog> so going back to the original issue... do we connect a basic switch to GPIO and GND or GPIO and +V?
[10:58] <niston> yeah.. linear regulators are basically fancy, variable resistors.
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> dkog: why
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> What're you hoping to do
[10:58] <dkog> say I just want to see if a button is pressed
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[10:59] <SpeedEvil> In that case - connect a resistor in series withthe switch - the pair go between ground and 3.3V, and you connect a GPIO to the joint
[11:00] <ShorTie> like i said, for safty an external resistor should be used, but if you do not care about safty, then use the internal 1, which will work just fine
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> Ideally you also connect a resistor between the joint and the GPIO, in case the GPIO is misconfigured and the button pressed
[11:00] <dkog> worst case is that the GPIO would output +V and short to ground when button pressed?
[11:00] <ShorTie> yes, very true ^^^
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[11:01] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:01] <ShorTie> no, worst case, pi goes pop and the magic smoke comes out
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> Well - causing that
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[11:02] <dkog> ok thanks guys, this was very informative, and sorry for being so dense
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[11:07] <Bhaal> Anyone know how to get rid of the hot/dead pixels on the camera module sensor?
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[11:11] <MY123> Bhaal: Which sensor?
[11:12] <MY123> ( USB, CSI)?
[11:12] <Bhaal> MY123: the foundation camera
[11:12] <MY123> Bhaal: Did you try warranty
[11:12] <MY123> ?
[11:12] <Bhaal> MY123: I would be sending every single camera back if that were the case...
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[11:14] <MY123> Bhaal: I dont have that problem
[11:14] <Bhaal> It's only a problem with long exposures
[11:15] <ShorTie> do they even have a guarantee for that ??
[11:15] <Bhaal> doubtful
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[11:15] <MY123> Bhaal: Did you try a lower res?
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[11:16] <Bhaal> I'd rather not
[11:16] <CoJaBo> Bhaal: You'd have to filter them out
[11:18] <CoJaBo> The usual method involves taking a long exposure with no light at all
[11:18] <Bhaal> >.>
[11:19] <Bhaal> Can't do that... Camera is on roof
[11:19] <CoJaBo> as in, cover the lens
[11:19] <Bhaal> Yep, understand... Will have to bring the cameras down to do that, and I probably will...
[11:19] <CoJaBo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark-frame_subtraction
[11:20] <Bhaal> But my understanding is that hot pixels change over time...
[11:20] <Bhaal> come/go etc?
[11:21] <CoJaBo> They shouldn't
[11:22] <Bhaal> Ok
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[11:35] <MY123> Bhaal: I wonder if this is supported by the SoC
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[11:38] <Bhaal> MY123: Is there something I should be reading that I haven't found yet? :)
[11:39] <Bhaal> MY123: You will see hot pixels in this timelapse, http://www.weathercamnetwork.com.au/timelapse.large.html?date=10302014&s1h=7&s1m=30&s1p=pm&s2h=8&s2m=40&s2p=pm&cam=kallangur_s
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[11:50] <Bhaal> MY123: If it's done as JPGs I know it should at least be fast
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm hot pixels ... :)
[11:53] <Bhaal> sexy?
[11:53] <Bhaal> :)
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> probably more annoying than that...
[11:54] <Bhaal> indeed
[11:54] <MY123> Bhaal: rpi cam plus low light ,...
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[11:54] <Bhaal> MY123: Sorry, not following?
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> he's trying to hint that the camera is essentialy general purpose and as such when you push it, it's not going to perform that well.
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[11:56] <Bhaal> It's performing extremely well
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> for a cheap camera it does seem to do very well.
[11:57] <Bhaal> Not only that, but manufacturer spec says it should go out to 20 seconds...
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> noise will obviously increase at that level.
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[11:58] <Bhaal> But I am expecting beyond where it's at now there will be extreme problems with the amp heat
[12:03] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: I think I have said it already, but the cost of the pi and the foundation camera combined with the adequate picture makes it perfect for mass production as a weather cam network...
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> sure
[12:03] <Bhaal> Which is what my friend is doing, previously he has been using Olympus cameras connected to PCs ...
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> wonder if you could use a peltier heat pump on the back of the camera mounting to cool it down (plus a fan to blow the heat away on the other side?)
[12:04] <Bhaal> But now he has switched over to these...
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[12:05] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Do stop that amp heat inside the camera module itself?
[12:05] <Bhaal> s/Do/To
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> yes. or to move it elsewhere...
[12:13] <niston> it could work
[12:14] <baroof> hi, can i cut the 5v line from a usb cable to use android usb tether without draining raspberry power?
[12:14] <niston> then move the heat outta case with a heat pipe!
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> it's just a matter of plumbing..
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> baroof, probably.
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> baroof: the androidmay not notice the host device without power
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[12:15] <SpeedEvil> using a 100 ohm resistor instead may somewhat work
[12:15] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Starting to sound considerably expensive :/
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> yes ...
[12:16] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: We are happy enough with the results...
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[12:17] <Bhaal> And actually, a dark frame would probably fix it anyway...
[12:17] <baroof> ok ill look into it thx
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[12:40] <Mikk36> hey
[12:40] <Mikk36> trying to get my pi talking to an arduino over i2c, but i'm not able to detect it using "i2cdetect -y 1"
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[12:42] <JuJuBee> Greetings. Just go my first Pi. Not sure what to do now. I plugged in KB and mouse, trying to use berryterminal image to boot ltsp. I get nothing on my monitor
[12:42] <JuJuBee> Im using htmi cable to an htmi<->rgb converter box since my monitor does not have hdmi
[12:43] <JuJuBee> Is there a schematic of the board ? There are 2 lights on one green one red (on the pi)
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> Mikk36, why I2C? Serial is easier.
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> JuJuBee, ltsp? why not start with that's recommended and put noobs or raspbian directly on the SD card?
[12:44] <MY123> JuJuBee: B+
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> the red LEd is power, green means it's accessing (or trying to access) the SD card.
[12:44] <JuJuBee> B+ yes
[12:45] <MY123> ?
[12:45] <JuJuBee> Which is better to start, raspbian or noobs?
[12:46] <MY123> JuJuBee: So you may have to increase HDMI current to the converter box
[12:46] <MY123> Is that powered?
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[12:47] <MY123> JuJuBee: Avoid Bboot like the plague
[12:47] <JuJuBee> MY123: converter box is powered
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[12:48] <MY123> JuJuBee: Plug the SD card to a PC
[12:50] <JuJuBee> Im using a 16G micro thats all I have at the moment
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[12:50] <JuJuBee> Was from my old droid phone
[12:50] <JuJuBee> I deleted everything
[12:51] <JuJuBee> Downloading noobs and raspbian now
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[13:13] <pagios> hi all
[13:14] <pagios> i am looking for a wireless cam that can be installed on my drone
[13:14] <pagios> wirelessly sending a signal to a receiver
[13:14] <pagios> any idea?
[13:14] <pagios> need to get composite out from receiver
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> JuJuBee, Noobs is probably the fastest to get going, but Raspbian might be what you end up using, so you might as well put Raspbian on the SD card..
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[13:20] <JuJuBee> dd: error writing ‘/dev/mmcblk0p’: No space left on device How, it is a 16G card
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> you wrote to the first partition.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Try of=/dev/mmcblk0 (ie no p? at the end)
[13:22] <JuJuBee> I just noticed I forgot to remove the p as well as the 1
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> you might want to delete that file :)
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[13:57] <pagios> i am looking for a wireless cam that can be installed on my drone
[13:57] <pagios> wirelessly sending a signal to a receiver
[13:57] <pagios> need to get composite out from receiver
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> pagios, it's possible that asking in a raspberry pi channel may not get the results you want ...
[13:58] <pagios> gordonDrogon: where can i ask
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> no idea really. maybe on some of the drone forums/channels/websites ?
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[14:05] <Hix> anyone knowledgable about dd raspbian img in OS X? Top reporting 36mins thus far....
[14:05] <Hix> third attempt ans same thing
[14:05] <Hix> *and
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[14:12] <JuJuBee> gordonDrogon: Got raspbian working.
[14:12] <JuJuBee> Im stoked
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> Hix, if it's anyting like the linux dd, then in another terminal window,s find it's PID then send it a USR1 signal. - e.g. ps ax | grep dd, then kill -USR1 NNN
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> JuJuBee, new to Linux, or been here beofre?
[14:12] <Hix> thx gordonDrogon
[14:12] <JuJuBee> Using ubuntu for 9 years. new to pi
[14:12] <Hix> ha gordonDrogon
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> Hix, if that works, it should print its progress.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> JuJuBee, ah ok, you'll get on just fine :)
[14:13] <Hix> as soon as you said that it completed. Seems to have done it at last
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> Hix, hurrah. although 36 minutes does seem a long time. takes about 5 on my laptop.
[14:13] <JuJuBee> Looking to set up ltsp in my classroom using pi's as thin clients
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> JuJuBee, I do it without ltsp, but the principle is similar. you don't need ltsp to burden you if you don't need it.
[14:14] <Hix> was thiking so gordonDrogon win7 was about the same
[14:14] <JuJuBee> gordonDrogon: what handles the image then if not ltsp?
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> JuJuBee, just some technology that's about 25 years old...
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> called NFS.
[14:16] <JuJuBee> Cool Id like to talk with you then about getting it set up in my room if you have some time in the future
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> nfs is what ltsp uses too.
[14:16] <JuJuBee> Ive used ltsp
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> but these are Pi's not terminals.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> it is slower than having local SD card though.
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> I have flirted with the idea of commercialising the systems I've used, however I would be unable to support it as it stands.
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> that plus the hassle of putting Pi's into classrooms (in the UK) makes it not worth it.
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[14:19] <JuJuBee> So will ltsp work? I found http://www.uzerp.com/blog/running-raspberry-pis-as-thin-clients-with-ubuntu-14-04-lts/ but have not tested obviously
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[15:15] <donadie> hello, I am experiencing a problem with my new rapberry pi B+, after a while that it has booted, it stops working properly. I've got open a ssh session with tmux and any command that I key in, stops after pressing enter. If I try to ssh again, it shows me MOTD and that's it, doesn't give me a prompt. The only thing that i've done is to install the UV4L driver, in a raspbian OS (http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&ar
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[15:16] <MY123> donadie: DO NOT USE UV4L. use bcm2835-v4l2 instead
[15:16] <MY123> IT IS NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED AND OBSOLETE
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[15:23] <donadie> Thank you MY123, I will do that
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[15:25] <Sonny_Jim> HOOOOONK
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[16:24] <JuJuBee> Whats the best web browser to user on a Pi
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[16:40] <chithead> there is no "best", there are only browsers which fit a particular use case better than others
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[16:48] <MY123> chithead: I use eliks
[16:48] <MY123> elinks
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[17:00] <JuJuBee> I was trying to load google play to listen to music but none of the browsers seem to work with play. I also tried installing chromium (painfully slow) and hv3
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[17:04] <PhirePhly> I've never had a good time trying to use a pi as anything resembling a desktop
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[17:51] <waxdt> Hey guys I am using fs.writysync with node.js to drive the SPI on a raspberry Pi. But I keep getting ERROR: EMSGSIZE message too long
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[18:04] <WACOMalt> Hello from my Raspberry Pi!
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[18:05] <WACOMalt> http://imgur.com/CnPdMbF
[18:06] <Bilby> hah, nice
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[18:06] <Matt> what a teeny display
[18:06] <Bilby> WACOMalt what screen are you using?
[18:07] <Bilby> looks like the adafruit one, maybe
[18:07] <WACOMalt> some random one that came with a terrible kit
[18:07] <WACOMalt> its not
[18:07] <WACOMalt> tocemo I think?
[18:07] <Bilby> ahah
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[18:08] <WACOMalt> Tontec 3.5 Inches Raspberry Pi Touch Screen Display Monitor 480x320 LCD Touchscreen Kit with Raspberry Pi B+ Transparent Case and Heatsinks https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NANNJLQ/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_UbNuub0SYQ8YA
[18:08] <Bilby> I was looking at the adafruit one, maybe to combo with a liPo pack and a custom case. i need a portable unit for inventory purposes, i figured i could use raspi + touchscreen + battery, write a basic gui app
[18:08] <WACOMalt> That
[18:08] <WACOMalt> ripoff
[18:08] <Bilby> ... then i realized i'd just re-invented an android tablet X-D
[18:08] <WACOMalt> touch doesn't work
[18:08] <WACOMalt> haha
[18:08] <WACOMalt> yeah
[18:09] <WACOMalt> an android tablet with an Ethernet port and 4 USB and hdmi
[18:09] <Bilby> well it looks nice, shame the touch doesn't work
[18:09] <Bilby> yarp. Mostly i need an optical barcode reader on one end and a seriously simple UI on the other, with wifi
[18:09] <WACOMalt> Yeah. I have the source code to make it work, just no clue how to use it
[18:10] <Bilby> ah
[18:10] <JuJuBee> What is the slot/connector between the video and audio connectors?
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[18:10] <Bilby> JuJuBee the ribbon header for a video board?
[18:10] <WACOMalt> Not sure JuJuBee, which model pi?
[18:10] <WACOMalt> Ah
[18:11] <JuJuBee> Ah ha. There seem to be 2 of them.
[18:11] <Bilby> there are two that look the same
[18:11] <Bilby> the one right behind the ethernet jack is for the camera board
[18:11] <JuJuBee> Pretty cool
[18:11] <Bilby> and the other is for a video board raspi has not yet released... though there was an announcement recently about it
[18:12] <MY123> Bilby: And which will never be
[18:13] <WACOMalt> what sort of video board is it supposed to be?
[18:13] <WACOMalt> like.. an LCD driver board?
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[18:13] <Bilby> MY123 ;__;
[18:13] <Bilby> WACOMalt yeah
[18:14] <MY123> Bilby: Eric Anholt is cooking the DSI driver
[18:14] <MY123> (which will be Linux only
[18:14] <MY123> )
[18:14] <Bilby> but... but they showed one off, even! http://www.raspberrypi.org/eben-at-techcrunch-disrupt/
[18:14] <Bilby> Vapourware ;__;
[18:14] <WACOMalt> Nintendo DSi? sounds offtopic
[18:14] <WACOMalt> ;)
[18:15] <MY123> WACOMalt: MIPI DSI
[18:17] <MY123> Bilby: They showed it in 2013
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[18:20] <Bilby> roger, more wine! I must drown the tears of my mourning.
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[18:20] <roadHockeyKing> does anyone know if minibloq for arduino will run on the pi?
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[18:34] <Darwerft> Hello what is the easiest way to control wall power with my rp?
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[18:36] <Matt> telekenisis
[18:37] <Bilby> what port is that on?
[18:37] <Matt> although on a more serious note, maybe a relay and a simple driver board?
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[18:38] <Matt> I'm sure there's something out there already
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[18:38] <e^ipi> oh good, burning your house down
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[18:38] <Bilby> yep, easiest is a relay board
[18:38] <Matt> I've not done that kinda thing since I was a kid
[18:39] <e^ipi> not exactly the safest if you don’t know what you’re doing
[18:39] <Bilby> there it is, /dev/telekensis . It's not pre-compiled, though
[18:39] * Matt had a 250V 5A rated DPDT relay
[18:40] <Matt> made a little driver circuit and attached it to the line-printer port of my TRS-80 m
[18:40] <Matt> :)
[18:40] <Matt> model I
[18:40] <Matt> used it to drive a solenoid mounted to the back of my bedroom door
[18:41] <Bilby> this supports up to 10A @ 240VAC --> http://www.sainsmart.com/arduino-pro-mini.html
[18:41] <Bilby> far and away the easieset thing
[18:41] <Matt> which in turn had a block of wood mounted to the door-frame that the bolt seated into
[18:42] <Matt> then I had an override key-switch mounted on the front of the door
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[18:42] <Matt> worked great till I accidentally left it powered on and the solenoid winding burned out
[18:43] <Matt> after that it was replaced with a 12V solenoid that came out of a pinball machine
[18:43] <Bilby> Darwerft http://www.sainsmart.com/arduino-pro-mini.html if you haven't seen it yet. If you aren't used to using mains power though be careful
[18:43] <Matt> and this give you a glimpse of how I spent my childhood :)
[18:43] <Bilby> *because you can fuck yourself up or kill yourself / burn the house down like, super-easy
[18:43] <Darwerft> I dont see how this ting can control wall power?
[18:43] <Darwerft> Also I live in EU will it work here?
[18:44] <Bilby> yes, it says it supports up to 10A at 220V
[18:44] <Bilby> you will run power from Wall -> Relay Board -> Thing you're controlling
[18:44] <Bilby> what are you trying to control?
[18:44] <Matt> but please listen to Bilby and be safe when it comes to dealing with mains voltages
[18:44] <Darwerft> My two 3tb intenso hdd's
[18:45] <Darwerft> I will be safe
[18:45] * Matt has had 240V shocks, and would not recommend it
[18:45] <Darwerft> Haha Matt
[18:45] <Bilby> I usually one-hand it when it comes to anything north of 110v
[18:45] <Bilby> that way i can burn the piss out of myself but am unlikely to actually die
[18:45] <Matt> indeed
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[18:46] <Matt> and those burns are self-cauterizing too
[18:46] <Darwerft> Well would it be worth it to create this device to turn off my two hdd's`?
[18:46] <Bilby> Darwerft are you trying to kill pwoer to the external drives when you aren't using them?
[18:46] <Darwerft> Yeah
[18:46] <Darwerft> Exactly
[18:46] <Bilby> ehhhh ~~ depends on why
[18:46] <Matt> indeed
[18:46] <Bilby> just to save electricity?
[18:46] <Darwerft> Yes
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[18:46] <Matt> may be easier just to tell the drives to drop into powersave
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[18:46] <Matt> that'll spin em down
[18:46] <Bilby> nah. parasitic power on a wall wart is very low now, you'll burn more power just running the pi + relay board
[18:47] <Darwerft> I think they do that automaticly
[18:47] <Matt> electronics is still alive, but the power draw is probably minimal
[18:47] <Bilby> you're talking about saving less than 1 Euro annually
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[18:47] <Matt> slap a meter and on there and have a look
[18:47] <Bilby> (prolly)
[18:47] <Bilby> speaking of, i tried to measure the power draw of my keyfob car remote the other day and either my ancient multimeter's current function has died or the draw was pretty damn low
[18:47] <Darwerft> how much would 3.5hdd use of energy per day
[18:48] <Darwerft> read somewhere a pi uses like two pennies per day
[18:48] <Bilby> though I can't get it to drive directly off of the GPIO ports which makes me think mayby not so low
[18:49] <Bilby> Darwerft what's the amperage rating on the power supply for the drives?
[18:49] <Darwerft> 0.6 A
[18:49] <Darwerft> Bilby
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> you can't measure the energy use in currency - this is a global channel - energy costs vary hugely worldwide.
[18:50] <Matt> gordonDrogon: spoil sport :)
[18:50] <Bilby> so x2 = 1.2 A max draw, that's when the drives are spun up
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[18:51] <Matt> that's max draw, not average
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> read the label on your drives - they'll tell you what the specification is. (or if not, go to the makers web site)
[18:52] <Matt> a quick google on the model number of the disk should do the trick
[18:52] <Bilby> when they're resting, probably less than 250ma total. x 24 hours ... oor about .5 megawatt-hours per year
[18:52] <Matt> but you're probably looking at 5-10W with the disk spinning, depending on the size of the disk
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[18:52] <Bilby> * granted that's all seriously eyeballed
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[18:53] <Darwerft> https://www.fcomputer.dk/hardware/harddisk/eksterne/intenso/memory-center-3.5%E2%80%B3-usb-3.0-3tb-sort.html?gclid=CjwKEAjww8eiBRCE7qvK9Z7W_DgSJABfOjf2hIGRi6Y1xaMbfEfpTybrs7K4YiRkgLVTPtKe5pCanhoCixjw_wcB
[18:53] <Darwerft> This one
[18:53] <waxdt> When I try to output with node.js to my gpio I get Error message too long....
[18:53] <Darwerft> I cant find that specifikation tho
[18:53] <methuzla> only $2 ??? has anyone actually used one? (http://www.sainsmart.com/arduino-pro-mini.html)
[18:55] <Bilby> methuzla: i'm not sure why it shows that price at the top, it's 12.99 at the bottom
[18:55] <Bilby> caught me off guard too
[18:55] <Bilby> Darwerft do you have a multimeter that has an amperage read function?
[18:55] <methuzla> i think that's the "free" shipping
[18:56] <Darwerft> http://www.intenso.de/produkte_en.php?kategorie=29&&produkt=1318595418 This is the official site
[18:56] <Darwerft> No I havent
[18:56] <Darwerft> Bilby
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[18:56] <Bilby> ... and when i added it to the cart it went to $14.98
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[18:56] <Bilby> fail, sainsmart, fail
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[18:57] <Darwerft> Well but at 1.2 A what will it be per year?
[18:57] <Bilby> Darwerft you can look up the power requirement by looking at the model on the hard drive, but the most accurate way to know is to actually measure it.
[18:58] <Bilby> How do you pay for power? Is it by the megawatt-hour?
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[18:58] <Darwerft> Yes
[18:58] <Bilby> Okay
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[18:59] <Bilby> My guess of 250ma draw for them in spun-down mode gives .54 Megawatt-hours.
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[18:59] <Bilby> For 1.2 Amps, let me check
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[19:00] <Darwerft> Ohh just found out:
[19:01] <Darwerft> I pay 40 cents per kWh
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[19:01] <Bilby> 1.2A * 2 units * 24 hours * 365 days * 240 volts = 5045.76 kw/h
[19:02] <Bilby> so $2018.30
[19:02] <Bilby> that's if they're running at their absolute max, all the time around the clock
[19:04] <Bilby> hmm... $168 / month extra doesn't seem right. I think i missed something.
[19:04] <Bilby> About what is your normal power bill right now?
[19:04] <Darwerft> I pay 40 cents per kwh not 40$
[19:05] <Bilby> I already included that... hrm...
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[19:07] <divx118> Bilby 1.2 A at 12V my guess ;)
[19:07] <Bilby> DURRRRR
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[19:08] <Bilby> 252.2 kw/h = $100.88 annual cost, absolute worst-case scenario
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[19:09] <Darwerft> and pi included would be?
[19:09] <pksato> that? 288W device?
[19:10] <Darwerft> I use my pi to run to the two hdd's
[19:10] <Darwerft> they make me a convienent place to store so much!
[19:10] <pksato> rpi max 5W, hdd 3.5" or 2.5"?
[19:11] <Darwerft> 3.5"
[19:11] <Darwerft> no
[19:11] <Darwerft> sorry
[19:11] <Darwerft> 2.5"
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[19:11] <Darwerft> Yeah 2.5" it is
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[19:11] <pksato> hdd 2.75W
[19:12] <Matt> it'll likely be at 5V then
[19:12] <Matt> 2.5" disks don't take a 12V feed
[19:12] <pksato> rpi max 5W+2.75W+2.75W, 10W
[19:12] <Matt> so 1.2A peek at 5V would be 6W
[19:12] <pksato> 10kW/h
[19:12] <Bilby> that wattage seems really low for a spinning-disk drive
[19:12] <pksato> ops
[19:13] <Matt> Bilby: why?
[19:13] <pksato> 10/1000kW/h
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[19:13] <Matt> 5-10W is typical for an enterprise SATA 3.5" disk
[19:13] <Bilby> I guess drives are way more efficient than i expected, haha
[19:13] <Matt> 2.5" disks use less
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[19:13] <Bilby> brb
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[19:14] <pksato> 87.6kW/Year.
[19:14] <pksato> if I not miss on maths.
[19:15] <Matt> for example: http://www.wdc.com/global/products/specs/?driveID=1331&language=1 - WD 1TB enterprise SATA disk
[19:15] <Matt> 5.9W idle, 8.6W under load
[19:16] <Darwerft> Its bad that intenso dosnt show their idle W useage
[19:16] <pksato> I have a 2.5" WD10JPVT on hands, 5VDC 0.55A
[19:16] <Matt> Darwerft: I'm guessing linux sees the disk as sda?
[19:17] <Matt> if so, try sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda
[19:17] <Matt> if you're lucky, that'll give you the model number of the drive
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[19:18] <Bilby> back
[19:18] <Bilby> ahhh yes, the magic and the mystery of the the lunch beer
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[19:19] <ShorTie> liquid lunches are always gooood....
[19:19] * Matt nods
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[19:21] <Darwerft> Isnt the model number not listed on it?
[19:22] <Bilby> You need the model number of the disk drive itself, not the external enclosure unit
[19:22] * Matt nods
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[19:23] <Matt> what Bilby just said
[19:23] <Darwerft> Arhh okay
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[19:24] <Darwerft> What is the linux command to see that?
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[19:24] <Darwerft> or raspbian I should I say
[19:25] <Darwerft> I connected it to raspbian and have terminal open
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[19:25] <Bilby> sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda
[19:25] <Bilby> ?
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[19:26] <Darwerft> Get indentety failed
[19:26] <Darwerft> invalid argument
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[19:27] <Bilby> you need the dev name for your drive
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[19:28] <Matt> plus there's no guarentee it'll work
[19:28] <Bilby> do sudo fdisk -l to get the names of connected devices
[19:28] <Matt> it depends on what the usb interface passes through
[19:28] <Bilby> that should show you /dev/sdb1 etc
[19:28] <Matt> actually, 'cat /proc/partitions' will show you that
[19:28] <Matt> and you don't need to be root
[19:28] <Bilby> sorry haha, first google result
[19:29] <Matt> but hdparm may not talk to the device
[19:29] <Bilby> true enough
[19:29] <Matt> the hdparm utility was really designed to talk to IDE devices
[19:29] <Darwerft> that is what fdisk -l tells me it is anywas
[19:29] <Darwerft> *anyways
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[19:30] * Matt remembers the days where he put 'hdparm -k1 -K1 -c1 -d1 -m16 /dev/hda' and such into rc.local :)
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[19:31] <Matt> enabling DMA and 32-bit transfers used to make a huge difference on drives that supported them
[19:31] <Matt> back in the day :)
[19:31] <Bilby> lol
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[19:32] <Matt> that'd be 15 years ago now
[19:32] <Matt> thinking what which box it was I was doing that on
[19:32] <Matt> man, I'm getting old :)
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[19:32] <Bilby> that's okay
[19:32] <Bilby> i just beat Sonic 2
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[19:32] <Matt> hah
[19:32] * Matt hands Bilby a copy of Zool
[19:33] <Matt> there you go - that should tell you what system I used to play games on
[19:33] <Bilby> ... and after beating it, i realized i've been trying to beat it for... 19 years.
[19:33] <Bilby> lol
[19:33] <Matt> in fact...
[19:33] <Darwerft> Oh well Ill think it over.. thanks for the help! :)
[19:34] <Matt> -rw-rw-r--+ 1 matt matt 85K Mar 12 1998 zool.mod
[19:34] <Matt> that's the soundtrack :)
[19:34] <Bilby> Darwerft you're welcome :)
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[19:36] <Darwerft> These irc forums are allways so helpfull ondemand allways 24/7
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[19:36] <Darwerft> YOU GUYS are my goto guy when google cant help :3
[19:36] <Bilby> lol
[19:37] <Darwerft> its my little secret
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[19:41] <Matt> we're also a good source of random silliness
[19:41] <Darwerft> true
[19:43] <Bilby> it's not our fault the raspibian devs included /etc/silliness
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[19:54] <tat> does anyone know a good way how to verify a raspbian sd card image with common linux command line tools ?
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[19:59] <shiftplusone> tat, shasum should do it
[20:00] <shiftplusone> the shasum of the zip should be 951a9092dd160ea06195963d1afb47220588ed84
[20:00] <tat> shiftplusone: i rather want to test if it is a valid sd image. so say it has a fatfs partition and a ext4 after it, not checking if it is one that i know, rather test if it is one at all
[20:00] <WACOMalt> gparted could show you that
[20:01] <shiftplusone> file -k something.img
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[20:08] <Matt> tat: checking if it's a valid image is tricky
[20:09] <Matt> in theory, you can use fdisk to see it has a valid partition table
[20:09] <Matt> then you have to jump through some hoops with losetup in order to mount it
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[20:13] <Matt> this should give you the partition table: fdisk -l /path/to/disk-image.img
[20:16] <tat> Matt: so you think there is some empty space to add a crc in the image ?
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[20:22] <Matt> then you'll need to do something like this to actually mount it: mkdir -p /tmp/mnt/boot; mkdir -p /tmp/mnt/root; sudo losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/disk-image.img; sudo partprobe /dev/loop0; sudo mount /dev/loop0p0 /mnt/tmp/boot; sudo mount /dev/loop0p1 /mnt/tmp/root
[20:23] <Matt> when you're done, umount both those devices, then tear-down the loopback device with losetup -d /dev/loop0
[20:23] <Matt> tat: this is why most people just provide md5 and sha1 hashes for the images
[20:24] <Matt> run md5sum or sha1sum on the downloaded image, compare to what the provider says it is, if they match you're all good
[20:25] <Matt> or if you're on a windows box, grab FCIV and use that
[20:26] <Matt> which will give you md5 and sha1 checksums for a file
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[20:37] <mythos> i'm almighty
[20:37] <mythos> and nope... didn't know that
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[20:50] <Matt> mythos: clearly you're not a climber :)
[20:51] <mythos> ^^"
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[21:42] <jaf1230> Is it possible to power the pi via the 5v spot on the header? Or does the device's power have to come through the microUSB port?
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[21:46] <FransWillem> jaf1230: I'm pretty sure I've done that before :)
[21:46] <jaf1230> Hooray! I got an ATX PSU breakout board, which I want to use to power everything in my setup.
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[21:48] <jaf1230> Any idea if I can do the same with an arduino?
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[21:48] <ppq> yes, that works
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[21:50] <Sasha> Yop
[21:50] <Sasha> Is there any way to prevent tty to time out in terms of display?
[21:50] <Sonny_Jim> You mean the screen blanking?
[21:50] <Sasha> Yup
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[21:50] <Sasha> I disabled it in the normal x environment
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[21:50] <Sasha> but it doesn't seem to apply to tty
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[21:52] <evil_dan2wik> jaf1230, just a note of warning, powering from that 5v pin on the GPIO header bypasses the poly fuse
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[21:53] <ppq> Sasha, maybe this helps http://superuser.com/questions/152347/change-linux-console-screen-blanking-behavior
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[22:00] <Bilby> evil_dan2wik people must blow up their pis that way all the time, every single article i've seen about the GPIO header has included that warning haha
[22:00] <evil_dan2wik> Bilby, it isn't common to blow up a pi because of this, but it becomes much much easier
[22:00] <Bilby> indeed
[22:01] <evil_dan2wik> you can short something out for less than 200ms and it could kill the SoC but the poly fuse would drop the voltage down just low enough to make it require 250ms
[22:02] <evil_dan2wik> and if you short something like a power rail, it could damage the regulators
[22:02] <Sasha> hmm thankx ppq
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[22:44] <Vialas-mob> hello everyone in the pi world :D
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[22:44] <Romeo-> cubietruck :)
[22:45] <Vialas-mob> cubietruck?
[22:45] <Romeo-> yeah
[22:45] <Vialas-mob> what is that?
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[22:46] <Romeo-> a thing
[22:47] <Vialas-mob> what thing?
[22:47] * Vialas-mob confused
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[22:47] <Romeo-> right
[22:47] <Romeo-> a monkey thing :)
[22:48] <Vialas-mob> hmmm
[22:48] <Vialas-mob> bannana ?
[22:48] <Romeo-> better
[22:48] <Vialas-mob> :P
[22:49] <FransWillem> Vialas-mob: An AllWinner A10 or A20 dev board, if I remember correctly
[22:49] <Vialas-mob> im just looking at a youtube from MakeUseOf and they are talking about the raspberrypi
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[22:49] <Vialas-mob> they posted it 5 months ago... where have they been living!
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[22:49] <Vialas-mob> oh wow that sounds great FransWillem
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[22:51] <Vialas-mob> im thinking of getting a humminngboard to augment my 5 raspberry pis i have :D
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[23:14] <damo22> hi, i noticed that the rpi model b+ has 4 usb ports, does it have more current per port? i need to run something with 450mA on one of the ports, is this going to be possible?
[23:15] <ShorTie> should be no problem with the config.txt hack
[23:15] <damo22> which hack is that?
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[23:16] <ShorTie> it enable full power
[23:16] <damo22> lovely
[23:16] <ShorTie> need a good power supply
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[23:16] <damo22> yeah that is no problem
[23:16] <damo22> just with the old model i couldnt get it to work
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[23:17] <damo22> does the hack apply to the model with only 2 ports?
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> damo22, it allows 600mA over all 4 ports by default and you can switch it to 1200mA.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> damo22, this assumes your PSU is up to it.
[23:17] <ShorTie> gordonDrogon has a write up about it on his site
[23:17] <ShorTie> speaking of the devil, lol.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
[23:18] <damo22> gordonDrogon: thank you for wiringPi, i was able to make use of the gpio for simple switches without any external resistors!
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[23:21] <damo22> awesome!! i will buy a model b+ for my next project
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> cheers!
[23:24] <ShorTie> i was busy spending yesterday and ordered 1 myself
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[23:35] <niston> heh
[23:35] <niston> gpio -w write 38 1 will turn my board off :p
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[23:38] <ShorTie> ah, but will gpio -w write 38 0 turn it back on ??
[23:38] <paul2520> haha
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> niston, B+ ?
[23:39] <niston> no the CM baseboard :)
[23:39] <niston> using GPIO38 for REQ_OFF signal
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> ah, you're on a CM ..
[23:39] <niston> yup
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> 38 is the USB current switch on a B+
[23:40] <niston> yup just saw your article ^^
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[23:41] <bhez> does a b+ cost more than a regular B?
[23:41] <ShorTie> nop
[23:42] <bhez> nice. that'll be my next pi purchase then.
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