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IRC Log for 2014-12-22

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[0:09] <totinoboy> it'll work
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[0:10] <shiftplusone> ah more nonsense about requiring 32GB cards or less
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[0:20] <willmore> shiftplusone, what was the final word on SD card incompatability?
[0:21] <shiftplusone> willmore: when it comes to card capacity or what?
[0:21] <willmore> Yes?
[0:22] <willmore> I've read old posts about all kinds of limitations--size, card class, etc. Very little of it makes any sense.
[0:24] <shiftplusone> there are no such limitations at all
[0:24] <shiftplusone> just that class 10 cards are not any faster than lower class cards
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[0:25] <shiftplusone> there was a problem with some specific type of class 10 cards, but that was fixed.
[0:25] <shiftplusone> ShorTie has also sent me some cards he claims are problematic, but I haven't had a chance to look at them
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[0:25] <shiftplusone> however, class and capacity are not the relevant factors here
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[0:27] <ant_thomas> I've never really seen any consistency across what cards are good or bad. I've managed to kill a few! Various sizes, makes and class
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[0:33] <Jckf> Problems like that are lovely
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[0:52] <Duality> shiftplusone: i would think class would influence speeds. but any ideas why it doesn't ?
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[0:52] <Duality> i always bought class 10 with the idea that they are faster and better
[0:52] <shiftplusone> Duality: they are faster under the conditions they need to be faster under to be able to claim they're class 10.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> Those conditions aren't how people use them.
[0:53] <[Saint]> Duality: primarily, because you're almost never doing contiguous reads/writes.
[0:53] <[Saint]> its almost all random reads/writes.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> in other words, you have a lot of random small writes rather than large contiguous writes
[0:53] <[Saint]> in which the older cards are FAR better.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> yeah, that.
[0:53] <[Saint]> The older cards seem to prioritize random IO.
[0:54] <[Saint]> The newer ones mainly target cameras and high end media equiptment that does a lot of mass contiguous reads and writes.
[0:54] <[Saint]> on a digital camera, for instance, this makes sense.
[0:55] <[Saint]> If you look at the guys profiling sdcards, the high performers are either obscure cards or ancient class 2/4 cards.
[0:56] <shiftplusone> I'd like to see evidence of that
[0:56] <shiftplusone> (But I'm too lazy to look for it >.>)
[0:58] <[Saint]> I found a table from a guy that profiled quite a few cards he had people send in to him as samples a while ago, trying to find it now.
[0:59] <[Saint]> My recollection is that the class 2/4 cards, and a few obscure outliers were killing in random reads, and 'a fair bit better' in random write.
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[1:00] <Duality> saline: i gues that makes sense :)
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[1:05] <Duality> oops
[1:05] <Duality> wrong person :S
[1:05] <[Saint]> y'all need a client that does last-spoken-order highlighting, yo. ;)
[1:05] <Duality> saline: sorry
[1:05] <Duality> i meant [Saint]
[1:05] <Duality> :)
[1:05] <willmore> shiftplusone, yeah, those reasons didn't seem to make any sense.
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[1:05] <[Saint]> willmore: how so?
[1:06] <[Saint]> I made some terrible mistakes early on trying to find a performant sdcard for media applications.
[1:07] <[Saint]> I was _completely_ forgetting that my desired use case was only ~1/10th of the bigger picture and that I was suffering badly on random IO for the sake of contiguous IO.
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[1:07] <[Saint]> Live and learn, etc.
[1:07] <[Saint]> I know better now.
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[1:08] <willmore> [Saint], the class of cards and their size shouldn't matter in a 'it breaks everything' sense. Class is just a sequential read/write performance requirement. Size can determine how you have to specify block addresses, but it's still backwards compatable to the old read command--if you don't read past the max address of that old spec.
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[1:08] <plugwash> yeah, on the Pi sequential is limited by controller limirations anyway
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[1:09] <plugwash> willmore, AIUI there was a compatibility break with SDHC
[1:09] <plugwash> (of course that is before the Pi)
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[1:09] <willmore> plugwash, they ran out of address bits.
[1:10] * ozzzy believes greatly in 16 bit keys
[1:10] <willmore> But, if you treat a more modern card as one of them you can still read the first 2GB.
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[1:11] <willmore> Sandisk and Samsung tune their different card product lines to perform differently under different use cases.
[1:12] <plugwash> hmm, I'm sure when i've but a HC card in a non HC reader it hasn't managed to identify the thing at all
[1:12] <Triffid_Hunter> heh SDHC ran out of bits at 32GB, they didn't really think that one far enough ahead so now we have SDxC but they tacked on a requirement for a proprietary microsoft filesystem with SDxC
[1:12] <willmore> For Samsung, their EVO line is tuned for long block writes while the Plus line is better at smaller block writes. The Pro line is even better at many small blocks.
[1:13] <Triffid_Hunter> I wish they'd release a standardised speed class system for random I/O, esp the 4k random write test
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[1:13] <willmore> Triffid_Hunter, yeah, that would be nice. The 'class' and other specs are pretty useless.
[1:14] <Triffid_Hunter> 4k random read/write performance would be an almost perfectly direct metric for how fast a card performs with standard OS workloads
[1:14] <Triffid_Hunter> willmore: heh the classes are wonderful if you're doing long sequential writes like recording HD video, but we're not doing that
[1:15] <shiftplusone> willmore: yes, the cards we get from samsung are actually tuned for the pi (apparently)
[1:15] <willmore> Even then, I've noticed they're not as accurate as one might hope. That, or I'm not testing them right.
[1:16] <willmore> shiftplusone, which ones, if you don't mind saying?
[1:16] <shiftplusone> willmore: http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
[1:16] <plugwash> shiftplusone, hmm, I was under the impression that the rpf had selected an existing samsung card that matched their requirements, not had a special card made
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[1:17] <willmore> Sorry, shiftplusone I meant which of the Samsung cards is that or is it completely custom for you.
[1:17] <ozzzy> you know what would be kewl.... a hard drive with an SD card-like interface
[1:17] <shiftplusone> plugwash: I should double check with Gordon, but I do seem to recall him saying that samsung does something special there. I'll need to find out what the deal there is.
[1:18] <Jckf> Why not just keep the bootloader on the SD card, and keep the rootfs on an external HDD or SSD?
[1:18] <willmore> ozzzy, would you settle for CompactFlash? I have some of those hard drives.
[1:18] <shiftplusone> willmore: sorry, not idea what the non-pi branded version of it is.
[1:18] <shiftplusone> *no
[1:19] <[Saint]> [13:12:24] <plugwash> hmm, I'm sure when i've but a HC card in a non HC reader it hasn't managed to identify the thing at all
[1:20] <[Saint]> That would be...very odd.
[1:20] <[Saint]> They /should/ be entirely backwards compatible.
[1:20] <willmore> Could be a bug in the reader.
[1:20] <[Saint]> Could be, indeed.
[1:20] <willmore> I've heard of readers that messed up their reading of the spec and ended up a little incompatable.
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[1:21] <willmore> I want to say some of the Palm devices had this issue.
[1:21] <Triffid_Hunter> nope HC has a different init procedure and the layout of the self-description block is different
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[1:21] <plugwash> willmore, according the announcement of the noobs SD card it's a samsung MMCTR08G3ACH-QNJMK
[1:21] <Triffid_Hunter> it's backwards compatible enough that the reader can say "yep there's a card there but I don't know how to talk to it"
[1:21] <[Saint]> That...nah...
[1:21] <Triffid_Hunter> authority: I've *written* SD card drivers from scratch for microcontrollers
[1:22] <[Saint]> We work with sdcards in Rockbox all the time, and there's absolutely zero difference in SDH/X/C, save for the filesystem
[1:22] <[Saint]> format the wee bugger to FAT, and, bam...magic.
[1:22] <Jckf> Rockbox still exists? =D
[1:23] <Triffid_Hunter> you can put any filesystem you like on SDxC, but the standard requires that the card comes with exfat, and anything claiming to support SDxC must support exfat
[1:23] <[Saint]> these are devices that predate SDXC be _far_ as well.
[1:23] <[Saint]> I'm aware.
[1:23] <Triffid_Hunter> Jckf: I have rockbox on my mp3 player
[1:23] <plugwash> [Saint], AIUI HC and XC are the same,
[1:23] <plugwash> It's XC and original that are different
[1:23] <[Saint]> indeed so.
[1:23] <plugwash> *HC and original
[1:24] <[Saint]> Different, yes, but they're still backwards compatible.
[1:24] <Triffid_Hunter> XC uses a few more bits for number of sectors in the self-description header that HC has marked as reserved
[1:24] <[Saint]> I'm sitting here right now plugging various sdcards in and out of an old SanDisk c200
[1:24] <[Saint]> and, SD, SDHC, and SDXC all workin' fine.
[1:25] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah anything that can read HC should handle XC alright although it may not report a size >32GB depending on how the firmware interacts with the card's self-description
[1:25] <[Saint]> The original firmware doesn't like SDHC or SDXC, but that's an artificial limitation.
[1:25] <[Saint]> The capacity is also artifically limited.
[1:25] <[Saint]> Rockbox couldn't care less.
[1:27] * [Saint] plays with all 3 in an uSD <-> SD RAID adapter
[1:28] <[Saint]> Why sd raid adapter cards are a thing is beyond my capacity to understand, but, they sure are cute.
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[1:28] <[Saint]> you can get uSD RAID adapter cards too.
[1:29] <ozzzy> I have a 3.5" SBC that can boot from a CF card... they're horrible
[1:29] <willmore> plugwash, Hmm, that's not similar to any of the cards of thiers I have.
[1:30] * [Saint] still has a few sdcards labelled as "transFlash"
[1:30] <[Saint]> lol, remember that?
[1:30] <[Saint]> That name never quite caught on.
[1:30] <plugwash> AIUI it's the old name for microsd
[1:30] <[Saint]> 'tis, yes.
[1:31] * plugwash has seen readers labeled with it (or it's abbreviation tf) but not seen it on a card
[1:32] <willmore> [Saint], I want one of those uSD raid cards. I've got a bunch of uSD cards that would be hilarious to see a larger SSD made from. But, SSDs have gotten so much cheaper it's not worth it.
[1:32] <willmore> MMC cards!
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[1:56] <l_r> is there a way to program the gpu?
[1:57] <robertj> almost done with my model train controller build
[1:58] <robertj> https://github.com/robjcaskey/trainCap/
[1:58] <l_r> what is it
[1:58] <robertj> controls a digital model train
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[2:00] <shiftplusone> l_r: yes, you can program the gpu. https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/Getting-started
[2:01] <l_r> shiftplusone, is it the result of some reverse-engineering?
[2:02] <robertj> I keep wondering when the death of "small" rust-bucket drives will be
[2:02] <shiftplusone> l_r: yup
[2:02] <l_r> hm..no official docs?
[2:02] <robertj> I'm thinking anything < 1tb will be uneconomical to produce in 18mo
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[2:03] <shiftplusone> l_r: for which part? There's the 3D stuff which has been opened up, but that's all about what you need to do to get triangles on the screen.
[2:03] <l_r> shiftplusone, i would like to see how some of my algorithms would perform on the gpu
[2:04] <l_r> i'd like to do some calculations there basically
[2:04] <willmore> plugwash, looks like that's a custom part number.
[2:04] <shiftplusone> l_r: the reverse engineered stuff is good. I have the official documentation, but when I was writing a bit of VPU code, I used the work by herman hermitage (and phire and mgotschlag and all the other people who contributed to that)
[2:04] <[Saint]> the words full documentation and broadcomm rarely exist in the same sentence.
[2:04] <[Saint]> unless that sentence also includes "there is no'
[2:04] <l_r> heh
[2:05] <shiftplusone> [Saint]: I don't think that's fair. The peripherals stuff they released was pretty complete.
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[2:05] <[Saint]> I think its entirely fair, by your own admission.
[2:05] <[Saint]> 'pretty complete' != 'complete'
[2:05] <shiftplusone> and the 3D thing was quite a big deal too
[2:06] <shiftplusone> oh well, yeah
[2:06] <shiftplusone> they didn't include things they themselves didn't use, but... who would >_<
[2:06] <willmore> Hackers?
[2:06] <plugwash> willmore, well the first part of the part number matches something on samsung's website
[2:06] <[Saint]> I'm by no means trying to suggest that what they /have/ given us isn't a Very Good Thing(TM).
[2:06] <[Saint]> Its certainly better than nothing.
[2:06] <[Saint]> But, a full datasheet would be _awesome_.
[2:06] <willmore> plugwash, yeah, but that page is a placeholder "it's a memory card, contact us and we might tell you more otherwise, get stuffed".
[2:07] <shiftplusone> I don't know, it seems like what they've done is better than what many others have done and yet they still get criticised. Then when they do release something, it's not really used. I was really hoping the 3D stuff would progress faster. Instead, Anholt seems to be doing all the heavy lifting.
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[2:08] <shiftplusone> (fair enough, he's paid to do it =P)
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[2:08] <willmore> Eric has always done all the heavy lifting.
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[2:08] <plugwash> willmore, from the little it says on that page I suspect it's a part intended for sale to large OEMs for bundling with devices
[2:08] <l_r> but how "much consideration" does broadcom have for the rpi?
[2:08] <willmore> plugwash, yep. If you're one of those OEMs, they'll tell you what they sold you. If not, buzz off, consumer.
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[2:10] <shiftplusone> but yeah, I would've though more documentation would've been released by now. I know there's stuff in the pipeline for release, but it has been there for a while.
[2:10] <willmore> Motivation--.
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[2:12] <plugwash> <shiftplusone> [Saint]: I don't think that's fair. The peripherals stuff they released was pretty complete <-- There's lots of stuff missing, including some very basic stuff
[2:12] <plugwash> for example theres no documentation of the electrical characterstics of the IO lines.
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[2:15] <Triffid_Hunter> willmore: the problem with RAIDing SD cards is again the random write performance.. now you have to wait for a whole lot of cards to finish writing a sector, and after a while they'll all take different amounts of time due to wear levelling
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[2:59] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: yep, indeed.
[2:59] <[Saint]> you get pretty much exactly zero benefits from it.
[2:59] <[Saint]> but, they're cute!
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[3:08] <CooLBALL> will it run ubuntu with a 32GB SDHC?
[3:08] <CooLBALL> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813142007&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Embedded+Solutions-_-N82E16813142007&ds_e_ad_type=pla&gclid=CjwKEAiA_NmkBRCe3ubC1aWAtEcSJACxkkbqW7Nd8Cmzhs_oNI7Ow3Ty--zG6K4ADwHFC6Og4mCwmhoCZKfw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
[3:09] <CooLBALL> sorry about the length of the link
[3:11] <plugwash> the raspberry pi will not run any recent version of ubuntu
[3:11] <plugwash> as their minimum CPU requirement on arm systems is armv7
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[3:12] <CooLBALL> okay ty
[3:13] <CooLBALL> plugwash, what is your os of choice?
[3:15] <CooLBALL> anyone?
[3:18] <ozzzy> an old version of raspbian
[3:19] <l_r> what's the status of android for rpi?
[3:19] <l_r> has it been abandoned?
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[3:25] <Xark> l_r: As I understand it there is not enough memory for newer Android versions (and it was pretty painful as is with older ones).
[3:25] <l_r> what a pity
[3:26] <Xark> l_r: AFAICT, it is officially neglected and unmentioned. :)
[3:27] <SirLagz> maybe someone will get around to porting Android Lollipop onto it. Lollipop only requires 512MB of ram lol
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[3:38] <shiftplusone> Nobody is working on getting android on the pi.
[3:39] <shiftplusone> Don't know if abandoned is the right words, but it's in a coma that it's unlikely to come out of >.>
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[3:41] <[Saint]> That's not /quite/ true.
[3:42] <[Saint]> Nobody _competent_ is working on Android for the raspberrypi.
[3:43] <[Saint]> There's still quite a few people throwing tonnes of things at it and hoping something will stick though.
[3:44] <[Saint]> SirLagz: lolipop on Raspberrypi is impossible
[3:44] <[Saint]> KitKat, however, is possible in /theory/.
[3:44] <[Saint]> Lollipop 'aint never gonna' fly, though.
[3:44] <SirLagz> [Saint]: why is lollipop impossible ?
[3:44] <SirLagz> I haven't looked into it at all haha
[3:45] <[Saint]> ART (Android RunTime), the runtime that replaced the Dalvik Runtime engine, doesn't support ARMv6
[3:45] <SirLagz> ahh
[3:46] <SirLagz> I wonder if Lollipop can still use Dalvik though
[3:46] <[Saint]> Well...I guess it /is/ maybe possible. I guess I should change that to 'hugely improbable'.
[3:46] <SirLagz> hehe
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[3:47] <[Saint]> The amount of work required to revert Android 5.x back to the dalvik engine would not be pretty.
[3:47] <[Saint]> Nor an (in my opinion at least) worthwhile persuit.
[3:47] <SirLagz> nope, don't think Lollipop will run Dalvik
[3:49] <[Saint]> There's a (slightly different) ART implementation in 4.2+, but that won't compile for ARMv6 either.
[3:51] <[Saint]> I'm not even sure if ART can be considered 'static' yet or not. It hasn't changed in a while, but even 4.4.4 ART is a pretty vastly different beast from 5.x ART.
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[4:36] <MrHotwire> Good evening
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[5:05] <willmore> Triffid_Hunter, no, man, I was going to stripe them. :) It's an array of uSD cards, clearly I'm not putting anything important on it! ;)
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[7:04] <nimoot> /devtmpfs ia allotted about 250 MB, uses 0% of that.
[7:04] <nimoot> Can I safely resize it to about 150 MB?
[7:05] <nimoot> And I'm thinking of moving /var/log to tmpfs.
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[7:08] <SirLagz> nimoot: /var/log is a good idea. I'd just leave /devtmpfs as it is
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[7:21] <nimoot> hmm
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[7:21] <nimoot> I'm itchy. Its not being used. literally.
[7:22] <nimoot> Also, /tmp is mounted on tmpfs. I know because you lose the data on reboot.
[7:23] <nimoot> I can't seem to find the entry for it anywhere.
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[7:23] <nimoot> On /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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[9:02] <kasisnu> Hi. What's the opinion on this? http://www.amazon.in/Anker-5-Port-Family-Sized-Desktop-Charger/dp/B00JZHEYBK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419235250&sr=8-1&keywords=anker
[9:03] <kasisnu> I borrowed one over the weekend and it worked out fine powering 4 pi's at a time.
[9:04] <ShorTie> if it works, sounds like a goodie then
[9:04] <kasisnu> Still had to use a powered hub for a hard drive though. I'd thought that wouldn't have been necessary.
[9:04] <ShorTie> that more depends on the model of the pi
[9:04] <kasisnu> It's supposed to give out 2 amps per port, which I'd thought was enough.
[9:05] <kasisnu> All b+'s.
[9:05] <ShorTie> did you do the high current hack on them ??
[9:06] <kasisnu> I have no idea what that is.
[9:06] <ShorTie> other wize max usb current is set to like 600ma
[9:06] <kasisnu> Oh. So that's all it can draw?
[9:07] <ShorTie> what the quick version or read up on it ??
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[9:09] <ShorTie> without the hack, ya that is all the usb will supply
[9:09] <ShorTie> with the hack, normally you get enough for hdd's
[9:09] <kasisnu> Just googled it. Is this what I'm looking for?http://hackaday.com/2012/09/10/getting-around-the-raspis-usb-host-current-limit/
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[9:10] <ShorTie> No
[9:11] <ShorTie> that is a B not a B+
[9:11] <ShorTie> i'm talking about a couple line of code, not soldering
[9:11] <ShorTie> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
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[9:12] <ShorTie> or
[9:12] <kasisnu> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/22502/maximum-current-from-usb-model-b
[9:12] <ShorTie> sudo su
[9:12] <ShorTie> echo "safe_mode_gpio=4" >> /boot/config.txt
[9:12] <ShorTie> echo "max_usb_current=1" >> /boot/config.txt
[9:12] <ShorTie> reboot
[9:13] <kasisnu> What's the first one doing?
[9:13] <kasisnu> safe_mode_gpio?
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[9:14] <ShorTie> got me off the top of my head, read up on it
[9:14] <ShorTie> basically the same as the 2nd, only different
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[9:16] <ShorTie> might just need the 2nd 1 depending on your firmware i believe
[9:17] <ShorTie> but both don't hurt i think
[9:17] <kasisnu> Cool. Will try this later.
[9:17] <kasisnu> Thanks.
[9:18] <ShorTie> No Problem
[9:19] <ShorTie> Your Welcome
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[11:39] <antoon> good morning internet!
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[12:03] <kasisnu> Don't you just hate it when the internet doesn't get back!
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[12:07] <SpeedEvil> The internet usually has back.
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[12:25] <Sonny_Jim> Hi!
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[12:54] <CooLBALL> I am a beginner
[12:55] <Sonny_Jim> Welcome
[12:55] <CooLBALL> tyvm
[12:55] <CooLBALL> would this be challenging?
[12:55] <CooLBALL> might I link a newegg product?
[13:00] <CooLBALL> they sell a kit for making a raspberry pi media center
[13:00] <CooLBALL> can I paste the link?
[13:02] <Armand> Go for it
[13:03] <CooLBALL> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813142007&cm_re=raspberry_pi_media_center-_-13-142-007-_-Product
[13:04] <CooLBALL> is a USB HDD the way to add storage?
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[13:06] <Xark> CooLBALL: Probably your best option.
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[13:08] <CooLBALL> I want to make this... will there be anything challenging about it?
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[13:09] <CooLBALL> I have a 32GB SDHC and a HDMI HDTV
[13:10] <CooLBALL> also keyboard and mouse
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[13:20] <CooLBALL> what linux could it run?
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[13:21] <Armand> The most common option on the rPi is probably Raspbian, based on Debian.
[13:23] <Martin204> can I run a rPi without a monitor?
[13:23] <Martin204> maybe ssh?
[13:23] <Armand> Yes
[13:24] <Martin204> i'll make a mini server
[13:25] <Armand> I was running mine headless for sometime, on solar.
[13:26] <Martin204> should I get a heatsink for the cpu if plan to run it 24/7?
[13:26] <Martin204> or.. meh
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[13:26] <Armand> If you're running at stock speeds, don't worry about it.
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[13:28] <CooLBALL> does it have BIOS? I would want to put the installer for raspbian on a USB flash drive, but I suppose it boots from the SDHC by default
[13:28] <Sonny_Jim> You very rarely need a heatsink, even with overclocking
[13:29] <Sonny_Jim> CooLBALL: The Pi always needs an SD card to boot
[13:29] <Sonny_Jim> But you can put the root on USB
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[13:35] <CooLBALL> is there then any data like a small OS on the 8GB SDHC out of the box?
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[13:40] <Martin204> it doesn't come with a sd card...?
[13:43] <CooLBALL> i mean the one it comes with sorry
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[13:44] <Martin204> it doesn't come with one
[13:44] <Martin204> you must have bought a kit..
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[13:45] <Martin204> in which case.. it might come with something on the sd card, but it's not very difficult to install your own anyways
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[13:51] <CooLBALL> oic
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[15:12] <CooLBALL> can I make my own bitcoins with the pi? (j/k)
[15:13] <Encrypt> CooLBALL, Yes, but with a USB ASIC Miner
[15:13] <Encrypt> CooLBALL, And don't hope to make any profit
[15:15] <CooLBALL> you mean I'll be paying USD for each coin?
[15:16] <Jckf> No, he's saying that you won't earn money by mining for bitcoins
[15:16] <Encrypt> CooLBALL, The price you'll pay to buy a USB ASIC Miner will be higher than the benefit (bitcoin-equivalent income) you'll generate
[15:16] <Encrypt> PLus you also have to pay electricity
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[15:20] <CooLBALL> is this to make the bitcoin seem non-exchangeable
[15:20] <CooLBALL> for other currencies
[15:20] <CooLBALL> ?
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[15:21] <Encrypt> CooLBALL, Being a currency itself, bitcoin is exchangeable with other currencies
[15:21] <Encrypt> Hum, gone
[15:21] <Encrypt> Oh, no, he's here
[15:21] <CooLBALL> :)
[15:21] <Armand> Bitcoin is yet another virtual farce.
[15:21] <Encrypt> Nope
[15:21] <Encrypt> I trust Bitcoin personally
[15:22] <Armand> As far as I can throw it...
[15:22] <Encrypt> The problem is what people do with bitcoins
[15:22] <Armand> Which isn't very far, as it's not real. :P
[15:22] <Encrypt> It's not worse than the euro or the dollar
[15:22] <Armand> The Euro is expensive toilet paper.
[15:22] <Encrypt> Armand, How is euro or doller more "real" than bitcoin?
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[15:23] <Encrypt> dollar*
[15:24] <zlimvos> an answer would be: you have the option to print it
[15:24] <Encrypt> Would the BCE say one day: "The game is over, euro isn't worth anything", you'd cry
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[15:24] <Encrypt> Moreover, bills in circulation is about 5% of the total amount of money
[15:24] <Encrypt> Or something like that
[15:25] <Encrypt> That makes the other 95% unreal
[15:25] <CooLBALL> so I can get a lot of euros for american dollars right now?
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[15:26] <Armand> Encrypt, It's not..
[15:26] <Armand> But at least the GBP, USD and Euro are state-supported currency.
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[15:27] <Encrypt> Yes, they are supported currencies
[15:27] <Encrypt> And they can create laws to change the rules of the game at any time
[15:27] <Encrypt> That's what happened in Cyprus
[15:27] <Armand> I'd have bigger issues to worry about if the GBP collapses, like.. My job.
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> Encrypt: you can do that with non-state supported currencies too
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> Encrypt: Historically, controls on private ownership of gold and silver have been common
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> Or 'foreign' currency
[15:28] <Encrypt> SpeedEvil, But that's far harder
[15:28] <zlimvos> SpeedEvil: thats actually my question, i know bitcoint is driven by demand and supply, but who is making the rules?
[15:29] <Encrypt> zlimvos, The algorithm has been designed
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[15:29] <Encrypt> It's now "in production" and nobody can change it
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> zlimvos: there is no central authority - it just takes a certain amount of computing power to make a coin.
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[15:30] <SpeedEvil> Similarly - there is no way of tying directly a bitcoin transaction to a person
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[15:30] <SpeedEvil> but if you want it in your local currency - then at some point someone has to move it in or out, and that person can be regulated
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[15:32] <zlimvos> so that algorithm par example, noone is ever going to change it
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[15:33] <Encrypt> Nope
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[15:53] <Celerity> completely stupid question, if the raspbmc image is just 250MB, is a 2GB SD card enough or is there any other reason that I would need a minimum of 4gb sd card?
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[15:55] <j416> Celerity: not sure how large a clean install is, but after adding a couple sources and a couple hundred movies, mine says:
[15:55] <j416> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[15:55] <j416> /dev/mmcblk0p2 15G 1.2G 13G 8% /
[15:56] <j416> if I were you I'd go with the larger card just in case.
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[15:56] <Celerity> thanks j416
[15:56] <j416> o/
[15:57] <Celerity> my idea is to use the smaller card for the OS only and connect an external 3.5" USB HDD (powered) for the movies.
[15:57] <j416> I see
[15:57] <Celerity> so this is why I thought I might not need a larger card.
[15:57] <j416> not sure how much the movie metadata takes
[15:57] <Celerity> however is there a system requirement by the RPi itself that needs a minimum 4GB?
[15:57] <j416> can't answer.
[15:58] <Celerity> alright, thanks.
[15:58] <j416> would sound weird but you never know
[15:58] <j416> s/would sound/sounds/
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[17:13] <HoloPed> Can someone recommend a small/cheap LCD display for the PI ?
[17:13] <HoloPed> small = Pi sized
[17:14] <raspnewbee> Hi there, I'm planing to connect a phone charger (5V, 0.7A) without the connector to GPIO to check if there are energy on the line, does this can burn/harm the board?
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[17:16] <Jckf> raspnewbee: Powering the Pi through the GPIO bypasses voltage regulation and the fuse, so you COULD of course damage it
[17:16] <Twist-> HoloPed: HD44780 compatible displays are nearly free if you only want character support.
[17:16] <Twist-> HoloPed: https://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi
[17:16] <HoloPed> I need to display a B/W image
[17:18] <Twist-> HoloPed: Maybe you could further specify what you need. Resolution? Backlight?
[17:18] <Twist-> Or browse http://www.adafruit.com/category/63
[17:19] <raspnewbee> Jckf but the transformer has also its own fuse
[17:19] <HoloPed> thanks
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[17:19] <Twist-> HoloPed: the prices there are 2x-5x what you'll find elsewhere for the same components.
[17:20] <HoloPed> found this
[17:20] <HoloPed> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SainSmart-0-96-I2C-IIC-128X64-OLED-LCD-For-Raspberry-Pi-Arduino-UNO-R3-ARM-PIC-/301262047975?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46249e0ae7
[17:20] <HoloPed> it connects to the I2C ?
[17:20] <Twist-> The tutorials are fantastic, though. And I'm pretty sure their shipping department uses some sort of wormhole technology.
[17:21] <HoloPed> the pi has one I2C port ?
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[17:22] <Twist-> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-4-gpio-setup/configuring-i2c
[17:22] <HoloPed> Twist-, if I use this - http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-8-TFT-LCD-expansion-display-touchscreen-for-Raspberry-Pi-B-B-Board-/271712498878?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4353b4be
[17:22] <HoloPed> can I still use the serial port ?
[17:23] <Twist-> HoloPed: 12c is a bus, so you can have multiple devices running on the same pins.
[17:23] <Twist-> i2c, rather.
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[17:26] <Twist-> HoloPed: that appears to be a clone of http://www.adafruit.com/products/1601
[17:26] <Twist-> so the same documentation should apply
[17:26] <HoloPed> thanks
[17:27] <Twist-> search adafruit for pitft
[17:27] <Twist-> there are a few different displays
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[18:19] <shengtheninja> hi
[18:19] <shengtheninja> i have connected my raspi to another lan and now i'm able to ssh into it because of different settings and i have no usb keyboard here
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[18:19] <shengtheninja> any suggesition?
[18:20] <shengtheninja> *i'm not able
[18:20] <shengtheninja> :D
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[18:23] <Twist-> shengtheninja: is it getting IP via DHCP? can someone check the DHCP server for your Pi and give you the current address?
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[18:24] <Twist-> or can you at least attach a monitor and see the IP assigned? Assuming that' your problem.
[18:24] <shengtheninja> Twist-: i can see an IP related to raspi
[18:24] <shengtheninja> but i cant ssh
[18:24] <shengtheninja> and i cant ping it
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[18:24] <shengtheninja> getaway is different i guess.
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[18:25] <Twist-> if it's not on the network, short a keyboard cable or console cable.. you might be hosed. The alternative might be mounting the SD card in another computer and changing network settings that way.
[18:26] <Twist-> Or network crossover to a workstation you can configure with similar IP settings.
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[18:27] <shengtheninja> i guess usb keyboard is the easiest way
[18:27] <shengtheninja> i didnt get the last one
[18:28] <Twist-> yep. headless servers are just a complete ballache.
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[18:31] <ShorTie> ssh works good for a keyboard
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[18:46] <nimoot> shengtheninja, connect it to your laptop/pc?
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[18:47] <shengtheninja> how?
[18:47] <nimoot> lan cable.
[18:47] <nimoot> you're using a static ip, right/
[18:47] <nimoot> ?
[18:47] <nimoot> set the ip of your laptop to something in the same subnet.
[18:47] <nimoot> ssh
[18:49] <shengtheninja> wait.
[18:49] <shengtheninja> ethernet from laptop to raspi?
[18:49] <nimoot> ...or what Twist- said, insert the SD card and edit the network.conf manually.
[18:49] <nimoot> shengtheninja, yes.
[18:50] <heurist> shengtheninja: or just assign your laptop an static IP address in the same range as the PI's
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[18:50] <Twist-> shengtheninja: most ethernet adapters auto-crossover these days.. not sure about the pi
[18:50] <shengtheninja> problem is simple anyway. router where raspi is usually connected has gateway *.*.*.x and this one is *.*.*.y
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[18:51] <nimoot> pi has an auto crossover thing.
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[18:51] <ShorTie> just so the *'s are the same
[18:51] <shengtheninja> yup
[18:51] <shengtheninja> last number is different
[18:52] <ShorTie> then you do not need router, just cable
[18:53] <nimoot> Even if the ip was completely different, you can manually set your laptop's ip to be in the same subnet.
[18:54] <nimoot> And connect
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[18:57] <MeEtc> when using the GPIO in Python, do you yse the GPIO number or the pin number on the header?
[18:58] <heller\> MeEtc: you can define it with GPIO.BCM or GPIO.BOARD
[18:58] <heller\> BCM is GPIO numbers, and BOARD is pin number
[18:59] <MeEtc> I have GPIO.BOARD already, guess something else is wrong then
[18:59] <omfgtora> i am really having trouble getting this porteus kiosk set up on my pi (http://forum.porteus.org/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=2012)
[19:00] <omfgtora> i cant seem to get it to boot
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[19:01] <omfgtora> really all i need is a KIOSK browser that doesnt allow the user to input a URL or change any settings. anyone have any suggestions?
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[19:30] <MeEtc> I have noobs/raspbian booting to safe mode with a header on the GPIO connected, error message "Can't access TTY: job control turned off". Adding 'avoid_safe_mode=1' does not have any effect. suggestions?
[19:35] <Jckf> I've only ever seen that message when there were problems with the system drive
[19:35] <ozzzy> Joe Cocker died
[19:35] <Jckf> Verify that your SD card is working properly, and that you're referring to the correct block device and partition
[19:35] <MeEtc> it boots fine with the header disconnected
[19:36] <Jckf> What are you connecting?
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[19:37] <MeEtc> homemade header with status LEDs, a relay and an RF receiver
[19:37] <MeEtc> only the RF receiver is needed to be disconnected, which one of the pins is connected to pin 5
[19:37] <MeEtc> which apparently is the cause of booting to safe mode
[19:38] <Jckf> Oh right, yes
[19:38] <Jckf> Have you updated your firmware?
[19:38] <Jckf> The ability to override safe mode was probably introduced somewhere along the line. Maybe you don't have the option.
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[19:40] <MeEtc> i have a B+ with whatever firmware shipped
[19:41] <Jckf> Just do "sudo rpi-update"
[19:41] <Jckf> Unless you have a reason not to
[19:41] <MeEtc> hmm. http://elinux.org/RPI_safe_mode says:
[19:41] <MeEtc> EDIT: This feature is removed from default firmware as of 18th March 2014. NOOBS still supports a safe mode, using the same gpio pins.
[19:42] <MeEtc> so, i guess I'll have to stop using pin 5?
[19:42] <Jckf> So you might have a firmware that is older than 18th March
[19:42] <Jckf> If you update past that, pin 5 will no longer activate safe mode
[19:42] <MeEtc> you mean newer
[19:42] <MeEtc> oh
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[19:53] <Halts> so i have the odroid-c1
[19:53] <Halts> but yet to play with it :(
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[19:53] <MonkZ> hi, why isn't alarmpi available on http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ anymore
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[19:56] <MeEtc> same error after firmware update
[19:56] <Jckf> Well that's just weird
[19:58] <Jckf> Unless you're runnings Noobs?
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[20:05] <MeEtc> yes i have NOOBS/Raspbian
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[21:09] <Jckf> Anybody know how much bandwidth we have on the USB ports of a B+? Wondering about the performance of external drives, and if an SSD would bring anything to the table.
[21:13] <deww> same limitation as the B
[21:13] <deww> ssd drive won't give it much of a boost
[21:14] <Jckf> Every little bit helps, said the mouse and pissed in the ocean
[21:16] <Jckf> But it all depends on the performance compared to a USB stick or even the SD card
[21:16] <Jckf> If that's comperable... no point.
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[22:01] <ShorTie> bummer ozzzy, may he RIP
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[22:06] * [Saint] wonders if they left his hat on...
[22:06] <[Saint]> Why can't the retarded musicians die? Like Neil Young.
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[22:10] <shiftplusone> MonkZ, arch isn't availalbe on the download page because it's no longer available as an image. There's a minor misunderstanding between the foundation and the arch folks, but arch is still available as a tarball archive on their site.
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[22:12] <MonkZ> shiftplusone: and the minor misunderstanding is?
[22:12] <pksato> humans...
[22:13] <ShorTie> i thought the fondation was all about education and learning though ??
[22:14] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, I don't follow. What does that have to do with the arch image?
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[22:15] <ShorTie> they do not want people to learn a different way of do something ??
[22:15] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, still don't follow. They have nothing against arch.
[22:15] <ShorTie> it's the dum dum image way or not us, i guess
[22:16] <ShorTie> they most, it's not there no more
[22:16] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, arch people no longer provide the image.
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[22:17] <shiftplusone> related to keeping the image on raspberrypi.org up to date. The arch folks say there's no point creating the image if it's not being updated on the site. There seems to be communication trouble. It's all mostly temporary.
[22:17] <shiftplusone> But if people want drama and make a big deal out of nothing, then this is a nice thing to latch onto.
[22:18] <ShorTie> what ever, a link to the howto is so hard i guess
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[22:19] <ShorTie> imho, it's the foundation that syarted it, lol.
[22:19] <shiftplusone> couldn't care less who started what. I see no real hostility from either side and like them both.
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[22:37] <Kirito> What's going on with Arch and RasPi again?
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> Kirito, it's distributed as a tarball at http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi instead of as an image on raspberrypi.org.
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[22:39] <Kirito> ah, I see. I think that's fine
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[22:41] <Kirito> For the Arch community anyways I think that makes sense. Arch is more bleeding edge and if the images aren't being kept up to date I can see how that could be frustrating
[22:41] <shiftplusone> Yup
[22:42] <shiftplusone> there's an automatic image rolling and testing thing that's in the works. I think the Arch folks have already done their part of it, so when we start using it, Arch should come back.
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[22:48] <Jckf> 38.5 MB/s reads from a striped set of USB drives ;p
[22:48] <Jckf> Writes are crap though
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[23:29] * [sk]Ray (~quassel@71-95-197-158.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[23:31] * Jusii (~jalanara@nblzone-224-48.nblnetworks.fi) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:44] * netzfisch (~Thunderbi@e176104165.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
[23:47] * jazzzu (~jazzzu@D97B7B1C.cm-3-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:48] * gurdulilfo (~gurdulilf@c68A047C1.dhcp.as2116.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:48] * Guegs (~Guegs___@207-47-171-38.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
[23:49] * argakiig_lost is now known as argakiig
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[23:49] * iamjarvo (~textual@pool-98-115-181-52.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
[23:50] <niston> Jckf: heh
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[23:59] * tobinski (~tobinski@x2f56834.dyn.telefonica.de) Quit (Quit: Leaving)

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