#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-12-26

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[0:00] <AmonX> Hello everyone Happy holidays and merry christmas and any other celebration and non celebration thereof :D
[0:00] <abnormal> if you key in terminal inxi -h gives you all the commands inxi will do.... and if you want to share it in IRC you add the /exec before the command in here.
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[0:02] <ShorTie> i got a window
[0:02] <ShorTie> and a regular weather station
[0:02] <abnormal> yeh?
[0:02] <abnormal> lol
[0:03] <abnormal> I have a digital one wifie uses by her desk.
[0:04] <abnormal> I don't need it cuz now I can do it right here on my pi....
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[0:14] <AmonX> I am looking to replace a digital camera with a set up involving a RPI with the camera module. Basically the idea is to mount the camera possibly on servos on the end of "stick" in order to take pictures over a wall (hold of a ship to be exact) without having to climb up to look over. The main issue would be the need for a flash for low light situations and weather proofing it to the point it can be used in the rain. This is viable or s
[0:14] <AmonX> hould I look for a better solution?
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[0:19] <abnormal> How about a GoPro camera from Walmart?
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[0:20] <abnormal> Otherwise, it can be done, just the weather proofing is very important and will need an expert to make sure pi camera doesn't get wet and adding a LED for light and protect lens from getting wet.
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[0:23] <SpeedEvil> AmonX: what range do you need?
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[0:26] <AmonX> upwards of 50m at most?
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[0:28] <SpeedEvil> AmonX: that's a hell of a range for flash
[0:29] <AmonX> Sorry I thought you just meant in general... Standard point and click flash range
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> ah
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> I don't think the picam has any way of triggering a flash reliably
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[0:32] <AmonX> I tried a few google searches and that was the consensus with the results I found
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> I would wonder about chdk
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> Controllable user-firmware for canon cameras
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[0:36] <AmonX> Yeah that was suggested to me unfortunately the cameras being replaced arent cannons :) but thank you very much
[0:38] <Exposure> can you damage a photo transistor by hooking it up the wrong way?
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> Exposure: yes
[0:38] <Exposure> trying to build a pulse counter with the photo transistor in a tcrt5000
[0:38] <SpeedEvil> Exposure: depending on stuff
[0:38] <Exposure> and I swapped collector/emitter
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> It is probably just fine
[0:39] <Exposure> gpio pin is always high
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_law_on_drug_precursors See 'reverse voltage'
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> err
[0:39] <Exposure> I guess it should toggle when I cover the sensor
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.vishay.com/docs/83760/tcrt5000.pdf that
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> How have you hooked it up
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[0:40] <SpeedEvil> It says 5V is maximum voltage reverse - so that will not have killed it
[0:40] <Exposure> ok
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> Same for the diode
[0:41] <Exposure> I have 3.3V to the collector and gnd with a 10k resistor and gpio7 on the emitter
[0:42] <SpeedEvil> yo mean a 10K resistor from ground to gpio7 and emitter connected to gpio7 ?
[0:43] <AmonX> Thank you again
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> Exposure: And what LED current?
[0:43] <Exposure> I don't use the led
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> What light source are you sing
[0:44] <Exposure> gnd -> resistor -> emitter and gpio7 -> emitter
[0:45] <Exposure> I tried with the flash from my phone to get a bright light source
[0:45] <Exposure> it just stays high and never turns low
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> Short it iwth a couple of wires
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> does it go low?
[0:47] <Exposure> nope
[0:49] <ShorTie> hmmm, mkdir changed P to p ??
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[0:52] <Ephexeve> Hey guys, willing to install rasbian, but I don't want X and many other packages. Is there any clean rasbian?
[0:52] <Ephexeve> without X, just scratch?
[0:52] <ShorTie> think you need X for scratch, don't ya ??
[0:52] <Ephexeve> Eh, no.
[0:53] <Ephexeve> I will just SSH.
[0:53] <ShorTie> whelp, there is a net install
[0:54] <Ephexeve> Hmmm, rasbian net install?
[0:54] <Ephexeve> Hmm, cool
[0:54] <ShorTie> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[0:54] <Ephexeve> nice, thanks
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[1:03] <Exposure> hmm 10k may be too much? I have a push button with the same wiring only a 1k resistor which works fine
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[1:15] <MrRick> can anyone recommend a good guide for getting started w B+?
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[1:17] <ShorTie> to do what ??
[1:17] <ShorTie> forums can be a good place
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[1:19] <AirForce590> yo
[1:21] <AirForce590> how an I hook one of these: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1287 and a B+ up to a single power source and make it portable?
[1:21] <AirForce590> *can
[1:21] <AirForce590> ShorTie?
[1:23] <ShorTie> get a dc-dc converter to power the pi from 12v
[1:24] <AirForce590> but how would I power the display
[1:24] <ShorTie> hook it all up to a car battery, and away you go
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[1:24] <AirForce590> but I don't want a car battery
[1:24] <ShorTie> display takes 12vdc
[1:24] <AirForce590> I want like a skinny lipo
[1:24] <AirForce590> to fit in a tablet ;)
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[1:25] <willmore> m.
[1:25] <AirForce590> hello willmore
[1:25] <willmore> Darn Hexchat moving windows while reconnecting to servers! That m. was for someone else.
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[1:26] <abnormal> AirForce590, wait until the pi-top comes out, www.pi-top.com
[1:26] <ozzzy> be cheaper to buy a tablet
[1:27] <AirForce590> nah
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[1:27] <AirForce590> SWEET BABY JSESUS
[1:27] <AirForce590> PI-TOP IS SWEET
[1:28] <abnormal> sure it
[1:28] <abnormal> is
[1:28] <abnormal> can't wait til that comes out, damit
[1:28] <AirForce590> welp gtg
[1:28] <AirForce590> solder a sound shield for arduino
[1:29] <AirForce590> abnormal: ikr
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[2:34] <usandfriends> Hello, I'm running ArchLinux on my RPiB+ and it is connected through ethernet->router. `ifconfig` keeps showing the IP as 10.0.0.4. How do I get the IP to become 192.168.1.x?
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[2:45] <mutandi> anyone see this thing? i'm looking to recreate the functionality with a rasp pi and arduino https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2074185253/ramos-the-worlds-most-advanced-alarm-clock
[2:46] <NedScott> I always think it's funny that there are so many kickstarters for ideas that have already been done before
[2:46] <NedScott> granted, this specific combination seems new
[2:47] <mutandi> what concept is similar?
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[2:48] <NedScott> various things to get people up out of bed and do something in order to turn the clock off
[2:49] <NedScott> when you break it down, this is basically the same thing as any keypad alarm clock, but it uses the phone and allows you to position the speaker close to the bed
[2:49] <mutandi> i like the idea of having a wireless speaker that can be triggered based on events - whether it's a motion sensor in another room or a clock
[2:49] <NedScott> I mean, it's clever, but it seems like an odd thing for a kickstarter
[2:49] <NedScott> I always imagine kickstarters to be really new or different ideas
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[4:24] <Aldem> Net splits !
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[4:34] <abnormal> good
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[4:34] <abnormal> hope net explosions.... lol
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[7:29] <chaitime> hello
[7:29] <chaitime> can the rpi handle streaming videos from a server?
[7:29] <chaitime> or would it lag on 720p vids
[7:30] <owen_> chaitime: afaik, that is no problem
[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> chaitime: it can stream 1080p as long as you've bought a codec unlock key and it's not one of those really high bitrate ones that'll max out the network
[7:32] <owen_> have a read of http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/stream-video-from-the-raspberry-pi-camera-to-web-browsers-even-on-ios-and-android
[7:32] <chaitime> to be clear, the rpi would be HDMI out to TV, it would connect to server and would be playing a video feed, and user would have option to browse videos and play them, most of the HD quality, over wifi too
[7:32] <chaitime> sounds ok?
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[7:33] <owen_> Yep
[7:34] <owen_> I reckon I could do that
[7:34] <chaitime> can I do it with the cheapest rpi, I think the A+ 20 buck one?
[7:34] <owen_> but have not tried
[7:34] <owen_> so I will bow out
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[7:36] <rtcg72a> Hi, regarding avrdude, does anyone know about the linuxspi module? I am trying to program an MCU from the Raspberry Pi's GPIO, but when I follow online guides, they use linuxspi as the programmer, which doesn't show up when I try to program the MCU
[7:37] <owen_> chaitime: is VLC in the software list for your rpi?
[7:38] <chaitime> owen_, nah I dont plan to use that
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[8:17] <taplaptap> can you guys think of a tablet that will accept hdmi input so i can take my pi with me? my laptop only does hdmi output. I would like to get a tablet going so I can use the pi and unplug it periodically and use the tablet.. kinda thing
[8:22] <CoJaBo> taplaptap: You'd need a monitor, not a tablet
[8:22] <taplaptap> i can't find a portable monitor tho heh. it's too bad my laptop doesn't do hdmi input
[8:23] <NedScott> Motorola Lapdock
[8:23] <CoJaBo> taplaptap: Better, put a wifi stick in the pi and access it remotely from the tablet.
[8:23] <taplaptap> my new pi doesn't do the old yellow connector for the tv. The tv i have doesn't except HDMI :( .. so i gotta take my old pi to vancouver
[8:23] <taplaptap> CoJaBo, ya i could do that as well i guess
[8:23] <NedScott> taplaptap: you can get a cable to give you the yellow connector again
[8:23] <CoJaBo> taplaptap: not even DVI?
[8:24] <taplaptap> NedScott, um how? I called a computer store and they said one doesn't exist hah
[8:24] <NedScott> they lied
[8:24] <taplaptap> CoJaBo, this tv is a boat anchor from early 2000's
[8:25] <NedScott> http://amzn.com/B000I1D0BW
[8:25] <CoJaBo> Mine is too, and it still has DVI lol
[8:25] <CoJaBo> Actually, DVI is even the only port not burnt out >_>
[8:26] <taplaptap> tv's came with dvi?
[8:26] <taplaptap> it's been so long since i've had one of those
[8:26] <taplaptap> our uncle is blind in vancouver, he has old tvs... he just needs to hear :)
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[8:28] <CoJaBo> taplaptap: 1st-gen HD sets did
[8:29] <NedScott> in any case, that's the cable you need
[8:29] <CoJaBo> Mine's a 60" rear-projection
[8:30] <taplaptap> NedScott, wow i didn't know the audio output was hooked up for hdmi
[8:30] <NedScott> you mean composite?
[8:30] <NedScott> yellow RCA = composite
[8:31] <NedScott> at least on the B+ and A+
[8:31] <taplaptap> how the hell does that work tho with the audio port?
[8:31] <taplaptap> seems so weird that it works
[8:31] <NedScott> when you use headphones the video signal just shorts out and doesn't do anything
[8:31] <taplaptap> yeah composite, my bad
[8:34] <taplaptap> that's awesome, thanks for that
[8:34] <NedScott> no problem
[8:36] <kleanchap> I am having problem with Raspbian detecting headphone jack for audio. I have tried several commandline mp3 players and they cannot detect the audio device. Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot and fix this problem?
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[9:32] <kleanchap> What is a good distro for raspberrypi to play music?
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[9:50] <gordonDrogon> kleanchap, the Pi can't detect you plugging in a device into the headphone socket - you need to explicitly tell it to use the socket if currently using hdmi audio.
[9:52] <kleanchap> gordonDrogon, I am not using hdmi.
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[9:52] <kleanchap> Also, I have set it to use headphone jack.
[9:52] <kleanchap> What is "JackServer::Open failed with -1"?
[9:52] <kleanchap> What is JackServer?
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> no idea. never used it.
[9:53] <kleanchap> Is Pidora distro good for playing music on raspberry pi?
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[10:36] <divx118> kleanchap If you are not choosing fedora (pidora) for a specific reason, I would go with the raspbian standard image. I have mpd running on it with bluetooth speakers and using smb shares. No problems to get it working.
[10:36] <divx118> Of course pidora should also be possible to do it.
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[10:39] <divx118> A link to setup mpd http://lesbonscomptes.com/pages/raspmpd.html which I followed.
[10:41] <divx118> mpd has 3rd party remote android/ios apps and there is also a webserver support available to control playback.
[10:42] <divx118> webserver I use for mpd http://sourceforge.net/projects/relaxx/
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[13:01] <RahulAN> Hi all
[13:01] <RahulAN> how can i use Rpi cam for google chat..??
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[13:01] <RahulAN> or fot other stuff
[13:02] <RahulAN> *for
[13:02] <ShorTie> install some software maybe ??
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[13:03] <RahulAN> ShorTie, like??
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[13:04] <ShorTie> what ever your little heart desires
[13:05] <ShorTie> it's easier if it is in apt-get though
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[13:08] <RahulAN> Yes
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[13:10] <ShorTie> you use like 'apt-cache search <my_little_ heart_desires>' to see if it is in apt-get and a package name
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[13:11] <ShorTie> then just 'apt-get install <package>' to install it
[13:12] <ShorTie> otherwise there is like git and compiling
[13:15] <knob> RahulAN, ... will you be typing on the rPi's keyboard (USB?)
[13:16] <knob> or you want the rPi camera, for use in your google chat on another computer?
[13:17] <RahulAN> knob, no i am not typing on Rpi
[13:17] <RahulAN> ShorTie, I know that but which package do i use?? i dont have a guess
[13:17] <ShorTie> is the pi headless ??
[13:17] <knob> Ahh... so you want Google Chat in one computer, and right next to that, your rPi with the camera?
[13:18] <RahulAN> knob, Yes..
[13:18] <knob> Ok ok...
[13:18] <knob> Well, like ShorTie says, we need to install some software. I am not sure which... so lets go to the Google Mobile
[13:20] <ShorTie> if it is headless, no keyboard and stuff, you could always put x11vnc on and type from there
[13:21] <knob> RahulAN, ShorTie's suggestion, in my opinion, would be best.
[13:21] <knob> I have been searching on google... and... well... ShorTie's suggestion seems much better than the stuff I have found.
[13:22] <RahulAN> knob, I am not getting what suggestion you found best..
[13:22] <RahulAN> ShorTie, I am not on pi now..
[13:22] <knob> The x11vnc on the rPi
[13:22] <knob> You load up x11vnc on your rPi, then control the rPi via x11vnc on your physical computer
[13:22] <knob> Then, on your rPi, load up google chat. ShorTie, like that? Sort of?
[13:23] <RahulAN> Ok
[13:23] <ShorTie> or tightvncserver, but that 1 is so hard to get it to use the screen 0
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[13:26] <ShorTie> it is nice to get x11vnc to autostart if it's headless, hehe.
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[13:58] <Hiro`> Hi folks, got a raspberry pi B+ for crimbo, been trying to get it up and running this morning. When I plug it in, both LEDs on the board light up, but my monitor (which is definitely working) complains that it is receiving no signal. Can anyone suggest anything? Thx
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[14:03] <Froolap> Turn on your monitor before you apply power to the pi.
[14:03] <Froolap> did you create an sd image for the pi?
[14:04] <Hiro`> I got the starter kit with NOOBs already installed on the card.
[14:05] <Hiro`> Froolap: thanks, BTW. I've already tried switching the monitor on first. It didn't seem to make any difference.
[14:06] <Froolap> if it were me, I think I would go through and make a new sd image.
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[14:07] <Froolap> If you have a spare sd card, then use that.... but first boot is kind of critical in that it tries to config the system, time/date time zone.... keyboard format, etc...
[14:08] <Froolap> noobs isn't a real os, it's just an installer of a different os.
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[14:09] <Hiro`> Right, I get that.
[14:09] <Hiro`> Not sure if I have an SD slot on my machine though.
[14:09] <Froolap> are you using a real monitor or are you using a tv?
[14:09] <Hiro`> A real monitor.
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[14:10] <Hiro`> I tried swapping the cables.
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[14:10] <Froolap> good. tv works most of the time but isn't really designed for the range of resolutions that a video card throws.
[14:11] <Froolap> Often the tv's hdmi ports aren't protected against bad refresh rates like the pc port on the tv.
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[14:12] <Hiro`> Okay, I think I've got a slot for SD cards. Do you think I should wipe the card I got with the kit and replace with a fresh version of NOOBs?
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[14:14] <Froolap> If you don't have any spare sd cards.... Yeah I would try that, making a new sd image is easy.....
[14:15] <Hiro`> Do you know of any good tutorials that I could follow (I'm running Linux)?
[14:18] <Froolap> Hang on
[14:20] <Froolap> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/README.md
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[14:31] <Hiro`> Thanks!
[14:32] <Froolap> thank me when it works for you. :)
[14:34] <Hiro`> Do you have any idea how the SD port should appear on my system (i.e., when I run `df -h`)?
[14:34] <Froolap> I've booted up most of the image files just to look at them. I've been running pidora since I'm a fedora fan.
[14:34] <Froolap> Personally I prefer blkid to df -h but that's just me.
[14:36] <Hiro`> I'll probably opt for raspberrian or whatever it's called. I was also hoping to write my own if I have the time!
[14:36] <Froolap> Logging into my pi and typing mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /boot type vfat
[14:38] <Froolap> depending on your system the card may show up as /dev/mmcb* or it may show up as /dev/sd?p
[14:38] <Froolap> where ? = a letter prpresenting the physical drive and p = the partition number.
[14:38] <Froolap> and prpresenting = representing
[14:39] <Hiro`> Ah, yesy, sorry, I mean on my laptop, not on my pi. I've found a good answer on ASk Ubuntu, though, so I'll try the suggestions there.
[14:40] <Froolap> it depends on how your computer is connecting the sd card on how it's named....
[14:41] <Hiro`> I'm off to Old Trafford this afternoon to watch the football, so sadly all of this will have to wait. Thanks for your time though, you've been very helpful.
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[14:42] <Froolap> I have an sd card reader that plugs directly to the usb header of my mainboard and I have a usb (stick) that accepts multiple types of flash memory, and it depends on which Iuse as to what the device name is.
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[14:43] <Froolap> Enjoy your game
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[14:49] <heller\> anyone familiar with raspberry pi and i2c(pcf8574) 16x2 lcd displays?
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[14:49] <Hiro`> Thanks/
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[14:51] <Yohio> heller\: not really, I have a 20x4 LCD but I couldn't get it to work yet
[14:51] <heller\> yeah
[14:51] <heller\> seems a lot more complicated comparing to arduino
[14:51] <Yohio> most likely screwed up soldering the pins on it
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[14:54] <heller\> i have this connected to the lcd http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arduino-IIC-I2C-Serial-Interface-Adapter-Board-Module-Arduino-1602-LCD-/271218595623
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[14:56] <Yohio> heller\: have you tried this http://www.rpiblog.com/2012/07/interfacing-16x2-lcd-with-raspberry-pi.html
[14:57] <heller\> no
[14:57] <heller\> i dont even like to try it
[14:57] <heller\> its so messy :I
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[14:58] <heller\> oh the upper part is the library
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> heller\, do you have a standard display - hitachi controller?
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> heller\, you just need to work out what pins on the 8574 connect to the display.
[15:28] <heller\> yes the hitachi
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> the wiringPi drivier will work OK with it.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> however you'll need to write some code in C to work with that.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> but anything in python ought to just work too.
[15:29] <heller\> dont do c
[15:29] <heller\> :p
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> then find a python driver for the 8574 - it's just an 8-bit IO chip, then plumb this into a python driver for the standard hitacht controllers and off you go.
[15:30] <heller\> easy to say
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> alternatively, throw that board away and interface it directly to the Pi and do it in one-stet in C/BASIC/Pithon/PHP/Perl/BASH/etc.
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[15:30] <heller\> i could use the same driver pcb to run many leds from i2c?
[15:30] * gordonDrogon nods. yes, easy for me to say.
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> that pbc is just an 8-bit IO board. The Pi can drive more than that directly.
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> *pcd
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> typings bad today.
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[15:32] <gordonDrogon> how to connect a display directly: http://wiringpi.com/dev-lib/lcd-library/
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> and while that's in C, there are Python modules that will drive that directly too.
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> if you want a generic LED driver then try this one: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/18-channel-8-bit-pwm-led-driver-w-i2c-interface
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> 18 LEDs with PWM control.
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[15:36] <ShorTie> heller\ you got an ohm meter ??
[15:39] <ShorTie> i would sortta think it's a matter of figuring out how to solder it on, this way or that way, which could be done i think with ohm meter and following vcc and grd
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[15:46] <CooLBALL1> so the board is a mobo/cpu/ram?
[15:47] <CooLBALL1> is banana pi newer and better?
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[15:48] <Froolap> Banana pi is not something you want. I could tell you stories.
[15:48] <Armand> CooLBALL1, look at the ODroid C1 if you want something seriously better than an rPi.
[15:49] <Froolap> Bottom line is if you go to the bananapi channel you will see 3 clients that never say a word. there is NO support for the banana. So if you can't create an os for yourself you are out of luck.
[15:49] <CooLBALL1> oic
[15:50] <heller\> ShorTie: syre
[15:50] <plugwash> CooLBALL1, newer? yes, higher spec? yes, better? that really depends how you define better. the value of a large, active and beginner friendly community should not be underestimated
[15:51] <Froolap> I have the bananapi, and it looks to me like the fedora package that they offer is security compromised before you install it. It has several users that login during the boot process (even if they are deleted) that install stuff via yum and then delete the logs.
[15:51] <heller\> does anyone have a nice simple example/tutorial on how to drive i2c devices?
[15:51] <Froolap> So you don't really know what the os is doing, but apparently it's something the people that put together the os don't want you to know.
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[15:52] <Froolap> heller\: have you tried youtube?
[15:52] <heller\> no luck
[15:53] <heller\> i want a simple overview on how they are driven. and to see if im right
[15:53] <heller\> you basically select an address, and then do something?
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[15:56] <Froolap> heller\: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQgLL1hfpzY
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[15:56] <domenikers> hey
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> heller\, if you have wiringPi installed there is a command-line utility that can drive some devices - e.g. the 8574
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> Hehe.. just got some of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_sand it's pretty cool!
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[15:59] <domenikers> someone who wants to rent my Raspberry Pi?
[15:59] <domenikers> xD?
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> rent it? why, when they're so cheap to buy?
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[15:59] <domenikers> xD
[15:59] <domenikers> i a wep network and a wifi stick there
[16:00] <domenikers> i have installed aircrack, mdk3 etc
[16:00] <domenikers> someone who wants to crack it?
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> crack into a Pi? just remove the SD card..
[16:01] <domenikers> crack a wep network with a pi
[16:01] <domenikers> ....
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> wep? I can do that with my wristwatch...
[16:01] <domenikers> no clients
[16:01] <domenikers> aireplay not working
[16:01] <domenikers> lol
[16:01] <domenikers> u want to try it?
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> no.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I have many Pi's.
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[16:02] <domenikers> i can give u ssh access
[16:03] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, I remember the days of breaking WEP on my trusty N900...
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> You have a nice nerdy little toy there - fun but nothing special.
[16:03] <domenikers> its not working idk why
[16:03] <domenikers> called "o2Dsl"
[16:04] <domenikers> no clients there chopchop, fragment.... not working
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[16:09] <agaran> Hello, is there way to enable both i2c channels on raspi so P5 connector has own channel working? (rev2, P5 has i2c0 channel, which is not enabled by kernel i2c-bcm2708 driver)
[16:10] <niston> hi gordon :)
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[16:10] <niston> agaran: I thought the P5 connector is I2S
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's pins are multi purpose - some can be used for many functions.
[16:11] <niston> but isn't i2c0 the "internal" i2c bus?
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[16:11] <gordonDrogon> you can use I2C on the 2nd port on the P5 (P6) connector, but it's not visible in /dev/ by default anymore - basically the foundation don't want you using it, so they removed it.
[16:11] <niston> reserved for firmware purposes etc ?
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[16:14] <agaran> niston: it has alt0 i2c, I prefer I2c than I2S ;)
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[16:15] <agaran> gordonDrogon: meh, okay..so need to recompile kernel and patch it?
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[16:15] <gordonDrogon> I think you can just create the /dev/ entries directly.
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[16:16] <agaran> seems -ENODEV returned, even if I make it with mknod..
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[16:18] <agaran> likelly second i2c master isn't enabled..
[16:18] <agaran> and module has no option to enable both channels
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> do you really need it?
[16:19] <Froolap> foundation? what foundation?
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> agaran, and remember that that I2C bus will be probed at power-on time by the bootloader (and possibly the kernel too)
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> Froolap, what do you mean: what foundation?
[16:20] <ShorTie> RaspberryPi foundation
[16:20] <Froolap> <gordonDrogon> you can use I2C on the 2nd port on the P5 (P6) connector, but it's not visible in /dev/ by default anymore - basically the foundation don't want you using it,..... Foundtion? what foundation???
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Froolap, you're new here, or just trolling?
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[16:21] <Froolap> never heard of raspberyPi foundation, is that some goverment body?
[16:22] <Froolap> neither.... I'm not new and I'm not trolling.
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/about/
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a registered educational charity (registration number 1129409) based in the UK. Our Foundation�s goal is to advance the education of adults and children, particularly in the field of computers, computer science and related subjects. See our stories page for more information about the Foundation�s charitable work.
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[16:24] <Froolap> thanks, never heard the Foundation word used here before
[16:25] <ShorTie> never read the topic either i guess ??
[16:25] <agaran> gordonDrogon: wanted to use p5 connector to mount pi on power-supply board and use i2c to talk to stuff on power board..
[16:26] <agaran> (attiny/atmega there, doing power management, charger control and such..)
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> agaran, sounds like an idea - if you can pull it off - but I really don't know what they did to the kernel driver to block the other I2C interface from userland. I don't think they should have, but they seem to want to do other stuff with it.
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[16:26] <agaran> yup neither I know, but now I wonder if I want to toy that much with it, or just roll other solution,
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> A solutiuon I've seen others use is the serial port - the Tx pin will go low when the Pi halts - you can use that as a signal to remove power to the Pi
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[16:28] <agaran> I wanted a bit more than just that, to let pi query power subsystem how much battery left (battery gauge) and so on, but maybe I should look for other way indeed.
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> use the serial port...?
[16:30] <agaran> yeah.. sth like that, or do less nice wiring, more dangling cables (using P5+rst connector alone would make no dangling wires to pi, and having power board under it)
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[16:39] <niston> what about i2c1 ?
[16:40] <agaran> it is on other connector.. P5 is supposed to be mounted on bottom.. so I can use it to stack on power board, convinent.. no dangling cables above pi
[16:40] <niston> i see
[16:40] <niston> well shiftplusone said that you *can* use i2c0
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> you could trivially knock-up a clock+data type of comms interface yourself...
[16:40] <niston> but there's no warranty that the foundation won't break your stuff as they go along
[16:40] <niston> cuz i2c0 belongs to them.
[16:40] <agaran> of course I can, but why knock of something if there is real host master?
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> because of ^^^
[16:41] <agaran> so why they wired these pins to any connector then?
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> well - they're not really.
[16:41] <agaran> yeah, that sort of things me very sure to not think about getting second PI..
[16:42] <agaran> P5 is connector, prepared to be used, labeled AS usable not as 2 service connectors.. right?
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> the physical gpio pins aren't brought out on the B2 - they are on the B+ but marked to not use.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> you can use them on P5/P6 but only by selecting the ALT modes yourself.
[16:43] <agaran> sure, how I can do that?
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> you look up the ALT modes to put the pins into, then you can either write a program to change them or use the gpio command.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> e.g. gpio -g 10 alt4
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> e.g. gpio -g 10 mode alt4
[16:44] <agaran> here we go, :)
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> but get the right pin numbers - I just guessed that & the alt number too.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> you'll need to read the manual.
[16:44] <agaran> which one?
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> broadcom arm peripherals.
[16:45] <agaran> okay, thats bearable one
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> so load the module - create the device via mknod, change the modes using gpio and give it a go... Remember that you'll need your own pull-up resistors.
[16:45] <agaran> hmm from what package comes gpio command?
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> agaran, http://wiringpi.com/
[16:45] <agaran> ah, this stuff.. I thought its in raspbian repos
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> nope.
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> not yet. maybe one day.
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[16:48] <agaran> lets see
[16:52] <agaran> from broadcom manual only BSC2 should not be poked by user, BSC0/BSC1 are okay to poke..
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> sure, but 0 has been 'claimed' by the foundation.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> Unless you're on a Rev 1 or 1.1 board - in which case it's the one you use and modern foundation code won't support it that well.
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[16:58] <agaran> rev 2.0 with P5 connector as far as I know.. but good to know about.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> it might be a 2.1 but that's not important (other than to know that the P5 connector is now called P6)
[17:00] <agaran> P5 definitivelly, P6 is reset connector
[17:03] <Elezium> Hi, anyone can propose a cool little robot chasis for the Pi? I'm looking for some fun over the holidays ;)
[17:04] <Froolap> make one out of CD's.
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> Elezium: http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/
[17:05] <Elezium> lo;
[17:11] <heller\> Yohio: about this: http://www.rpiblog.com/2012/07/interfacing-16x2-lcd-with-raspberry-pi.html so i save the bigger part to a file and then import it in my code?
[17:11] <Yohio> heller\: I'm afraid I can't help you, since I haven't done it myself
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Elezium: I guess 'over the holidays' means that chinas out?
[17:12] <SpeedEvil> Elezium: got a roomba?
[17:13] <Yohio> it looks like you save the larger code to pylcdlib.py and then make your own program
[17:13] <Yohio> and use import pylcdlib to import it in your code
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Elezium: lego can work
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> Elezium: or take a wander out to the shops for a likely looking toy
[17:13] <Elezium> SpeedEvilI: I have a local shop that have a bunch of chasis ... I was just wondering if some of you try some and have one that come to mind
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[17:16] <agaran> gordonDrogon: gpio -g is not enough, host need to be enabled too (first)
[17:17] <Yohio> are the 5V pins on pi always enabled when pi is on?
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[17:17] <IT_Sean> There is only ONE 5v pin, and yes, it is 'on' whenever the Pi is plugged in.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 5v pins on the GPIO connector.
[17:18] <IT_Sean> There are?
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> sure
[17:18] <IT_Sean> IS that new?
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> nope
[17:18] <IT_Sean> Balls.
[17:18] <IT_Sean> Okay, i stand corrected... there are two.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> the 2nd was originally marked "Do not connect", but they changed that on the B2
[17:18] <IT_Sean> AHHHH!
[17:18] <IT_Sean> D'herp
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> when they made the other 3.3v pins and all the 0v pins 'official'.
[17:19] <omfgtora> i got a $30 gift cert for Amazon. What screen would y'all suggest?
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> agaran, I'd run the mode-change commands last - after loading the kernel modules, mknod, etc.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> agaran, I guess that's what you mean?
[17:19] <Froolap> 60 inch HDMI screen works for me.
[17:19] <omfgtora> lol
[17:20] <Yohio> alright, I'll have to recheck the wiring to the 20x4 lcd then
[17:20] <omfgtora> sometimes an HDMI device is just too much for what i need
[17:20] <Yohio> or resolder it or something
[17:20] <Yohio> and hope I didn't destroy it while soldering it for the first time
[17:21] <agaran> gordonDrogon: nah, not exactly, i need to find way to toggle enable bit in C register for BSC0 first, because apparently BSC0 is disabled entirelly.. or handled by some internal kernel things which boils down to recompiling, oh well.. I can live with that.. or maybe I'll just skip idea to make power board for it and use PI just as toy time to time.. seems its more closed than I though with things and docs
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> agaran, not that closed - just that the foundation have decicded what you can & can't use more closely now.
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> ie. you have the means to change that in the kernel - but it's a pain.
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[17:23] <agaran> I did enough time kernel recompilation to not frown much, but need to keep next tree somewhere, and so on.. is less nice part of it
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[17:24] <omfgtora> has anyone ever used this: http://www.amazon.com/JBtek%C2%AE-Digital-Driver-Board-Raspberry/dp/B00NHQJ7WQ/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1419610669&sr=8-8&keywords=raspberry+pi+screen
[17:25] <omfgtora> oh it needs a separate power supply
[17:26] <omfgtora> is that common for screens for the pi?
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> yes
[17:27] <omfgtora> are there any that dont need external power?
[17:28] <agaran> backlight alone eats enough to need power.. unless its like 2x20 text mode display..then maybe not
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[17:28] <omfgtora> i see
[17:29] <agaran> and routing too much of power through printed circuit board can be tricky, you need to be sure that tracks width/thickness is sufficient for that..
[17:29] <omfgtora> what i am looking for is a way to troubleshoot/setup a pi without the need of an external monitor
[17:29] <omfgtora> i'm not really looking for a permanent screen
[17:29] <agaran> I doubt if any usable display can work out of usb power limit.. thats 2.5W
[17:30] <omfgtora> i see...
[17:30] <agaran> of course phone ones eat less but.. 256x192 pixels aren't great for console..;)
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> its the backlight that's power hungry - not the display electronics as such.
[17:31] <omfgtora> as long as i can scroll im okay with that
[17:32] <omfgtora> BTW i have a b+
[17:32] <Froolap> add a speaker and make it scream when something goes wrong.
[17:33] <Froolap> post beep codes come to mind.
[17:33] <omfgtora> well, i mainly need to see if it boots and if it does see if there are any error
[17:33] <omfgtora> i see
[17:33] <agaran> better hexadecimal display to emulate POST codes;)
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[17:33] <omfgtora> that is a good idea, Froolap, but the noise....
[17:33] <omfgtora> i hate POST beeps so much
[17:34] <omfgtora> unless it was quiet somehow
[17:34] <omfgtora> but that would kind of defeat the purpose
[17:35] <Froolap> If you are going to go the route of a speaker with post beep then you can control the frequency and folume to make the tone something tollerable.
[17:35] <Froolap> volume
[17:35] <niston> omfgtora how about http://www.ebay.com/itm/I2C-0-91-128x32-Monochrome-OLED-display-module-compatible-Arduino-/161173737381
[17:35] <niston> or something such
[17:37] <omfgtora> yeah that looks good
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[17:37] <omfgtora> but will i have to install a non GUI distro for this to be functional?
[17:37] <niston> for this? its spoken to via I2C
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[17:38] <Mr_005> hey
[17:38] <omfgtora> im not familiar with I2C?
[17:38] <niston> basically a serial interface
[17:38] <omfgtora> i see
[17:38] <niston> gordon's fantastic wiringpi supports it
[17:39] <niston> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Serial-IIC-I2C-TWI-2004-204-20X4-Character-LCD-Module-Display-For-Arduino-/181299099752
[17:39] <niston> heres another one
[17:39] <niston> not sure but my guess is this one you simply send chars to it and it displays them
[17:39] <niston> most serial LCDs work this way, at least by default
[17:39] <omfgtora> im searching "raspberry pi I2C" on amazon
[17:39] <niston> then there will likely be some nonprintable control characters
[17:39] <niston> like move cursor to position x,y
[17:40] <niston> or clear screen
[17:40] <omfgtora> could this be used for console as well: http://www.amazon.com/SunFounder-Raspberry-Display-PCD8544-Shield/dp/B00NHJMLIK/ref=sr_1_18?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1419611268&sr=1-18&keywords=raspberry+pi+display
[17:41] <niston> if you are looking for a high end solution, I highly recommend looking at www.matrixorbital.ca
[17:41] <niston> also I could offer you a nice library for controlling their flagship LCD
[17:41] <niston> but its pricey++
[17:41] <niston> the display I mean
[17:42] <omfgtora> which is their flagship? i dont really see a "products" page
[17:42] <niston> top right, buy now
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[17:43] <omfgtora> i see... yeah those are pricey
[17:43] <niston> but reeeeeally nice :)
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[17:43] <omfgtora> oh ok, the LK series isnt so bad
[17:43] <omfgtora> i was looking at the MX
[17:43] <omfgtora> like, 2x the price
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[17:44] <niston> no compare to the $9 LCDs from ebay though
[17:44] <omfgtora> right
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[17:46] <omfgtora> id love something like this for the B+ http://www.amazon.com/JBtek-Version-480x320-Raspberry-Transparent/dp/B00L15FOF4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1419610669&sr=8-4&keywords=raspberry+pi+screen
[17:46] <omfgtora> i mean, that is almost exactly what i want
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[17:50] <Mr_005> so i just got a Raspberry pi A+. What is kind of a "first step" i need to do to get going with this? I have the A+ and a 4gb sd card. I have no idea what I want to do with it
[17:50] <IT_Sean> Have you got it to boot?
[17:50] <IT_Sean> Or do you need help getting started?
[17:51] <omfgtora> i found it!~ http://www.amazon.com/Tontec-Raspberry-Touchscreen-Transparent-Heatsinks/dp/B00NANNJLQ/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1419611719&sr=1-13&keywords=raspberry+pi+I2C
[17:51] <Mr_005> nope, ill start there lol.
[17:51] <IT_Sean> Unless you got a pre-written SD card, you will need to write an OS image to the SD card.
[17:51] <omfgtora> Mr_005 welcome to the beginning of lots of fun and frustration!
[17:51] <Mr_005> I guess i want to know more about what OS i should start with or etc. I know a good deal aboutu computers
[17:51] <omfgtora> MR_005 are you familiar with linux at all?
[17:51] <Mr_005> yes
[17:51] <omfgtora> awesome
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[17:52] <agaran> gordonDrogon: Thx for hints :)
[17:52] <agaran> have nice day people
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[17:53] <Mr_005> I dont know a ton of commands off the top of my head, but I have used terminal before, its not foreign.
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[17:56] <Froolap> Mr_005: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[17:57] <Froolap> Look at the various OS that are there and what they are designed for and choose what makes you happy.
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[17:57] <Mr_005> okay thanks I will check them out.
[17:57] <Froolap> I've been happy with pidora but then I'm a fedora commnd line fan.
[17:58] <Froolap> I loaded all of the images long enough to look at them (5 minutes each). If xbmc works as pretty as it looks then that might be interestinig if you want to make your dumb tv into a smart tv.
[18:00] <Mr_005> Im actually interested in running squeezebox on it down the road, but not yet. It is similar to XBMC, but it can stream / convert FLAC on the fly, and is more suited for music. Music streaming is definitely something I am interested in looking into
[18:02] <omfgtora> I think Mr_005 is gonna have a lot of fun
[18:03] <Mr_005> lol I hope so!\
[18:05] <Mr_005> Im going to try pidora and come back when I get stuck.
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[18:19] <Froolap> We'll never see him again
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[18:19] <Froolap> people that use pidora don't get stuck.
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[18:20] <Mr_005> Not the way I do it.
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[18:30] <niston> lol stream one on reddit
[18:30] <niston> :)
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[18:37] <knob> pidora? googling...
[18:38] <heller\> hmm
[18:38] <knob> lol I thought it had something to do with PAndora
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[18:41] <CooLBALL1> so Jesus was resurrected?
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[18:42] <CooLBALL1> where does he live?
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[18:44] <Froolap> string him up, it will teach him a lesson.
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[18:45] <CooLBALL1> How awesome was Christmas?
[18:45] <Mr_005> just spent 10 minutes getting my computer to recognize the SD card, and I installed it. Just realized I need a micro sd card. Have fun laughing
[18:46] * IT_Sean has fun laughing
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> There are adaptors
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> but not very common
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[18:49] <yggdrasil> you wasup gents
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[18:50] <Mr_005> its not a big deal, I have both laying around somewhere.
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[18:50] <yggdrasil> what kind of card do you have Mr_005
[18:50] <yggdrasil> ?
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[19:01] <CooLBALL1> everything is awesome
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[19:03] <CooLBALL1> I hope Jesus Christ had the best birthday ever!
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[19:05] <CooLBALL1> I want to give him fruit from my tree when I have a fruit tree
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[19:07] <omfgtora> would it be possible to manually add more ram?
[19:07] <omfgtora> to a B+
[19:07] <IT_Sean> newp.
[19:07] <scoofy> omfgtora, no?
[19:07] <CooLBALL1> holy cow wrong channel
[19:07] <omfgtora> thought so, just thought id ask
[19:07] <scoofy> unless you add swap
[19:07] <scoofy> that's possible
[19:07] <omfgtora> right
[19:07] <scoofy> but that's only 'virtual' mem
[19:07] <CooLBALL1> thanks for not getting mad at me
[19:07] <omfgtora> i heard SWAP is not good for sd cards
[19:08] <scoofy> omfgtora, umm.... well, it's not the best idea, indeed.
[19:08] <omfgtora> constantly reading/writing will kill the life, is what i heard
[19:08] <scoofy> but, i'd do it anyways
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[19:08] <scoofy> well, when you're using it that includes writing too, then yes, it somewhat reduces lifespan.
[19:08] <omfgtora> i see
[19:08] <scoofy> it's like, you can write it 1000 times or 10,000 times or 100,000 times or so....
[19:08] <ShorTie> raspbian has swap by default
[19:09] <scoofy> so depending on how actively you use it, it may decrease lifespan a little
[19:09] <scoofy> so say, instead of 10 years, it may die in 5 years
[19:09] <omfgtora> i see
[19:09] <scoofy> still plenty of time :)
[19:09] <omfgtora> yeah
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[19:09] <scoofy> so you can still set up a bigger SWAP if you want
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[19:09] <scoofy> not a huge issue, it will just consume some of the available write/read cycles.
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[19:10] <cousteau> when I hot-plug a USB device the rpi reboots. Is this a known issue of RPi or something wrong with the OS?
[19:10] <cousteau> (OS = RaspBMC)
[19:10] <IT_Sean> cousteau... what version of the Pi?
[19:11] <cousteau> RPi model B (the one with only 2 USBs)
[19:11] <scoofy> cousteau, power supply?
[19:11] <scoofy> is that good?
[19:11] <cousteau> 2.1 A
[19:11] <scoofy> hm.
[19:11] <cousteau> (or so it says)
[19:11] <scoofy> that should B good
[19:12] <scoofy> what kind of device is it?
[19:12] <cousteau> somebody said "yeah, that's a known issue", but I don't remember if it was here or in #raspbmc
[19:12] <cousteau> wifi dongle
[19:12] <scoofy> i only experienced it when power supply was not enough
[19:12] <scoofy> yea, i had that too when connecting wifi.
[19:12] <cousteau> should I grab a multimeter and test the test points?
[19:12] <ozzzy> cousteau, my B just about always resets on hot-plugging a USB device
[19:13] <scoofy> well... maybe just don't hot plug it
[19:13] <cousteau> hm, any idea why this could be?
[19:13] <ozzzy> nope
[19:13] <scoofy> i think i disconnected, plugged the usb device and then it worked
[19:13] <scoofy> (and i have no idea either)
[19:14] <IT_Sean> The B is still susceptable to that issue, as i recall. It was fixed in the B+, wasn't it?
[19:15] <cousteau> yeah but this didn't upgrade!
[19:15] <cousteau> damn I wish hardware could upgrade as well
[19:15] <IT_Sean> ?
[19:15] <Froolap> I remember reading that the reboot with usb tended to happen only on one port, didn't happen on the other port.... so use the port that reboots with your network dongle which you aren't likely to change.
[19:16] <cousteau> Froolap, ok, good to know, thanks!
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[19:16] <cousteau> (that sounds as technological superstition though)
[19:16] <ozzzy> I'll try to remember that if I ever find my Pi again
[19:16] <Froolap> cousteau: consider it rumor..... I couldn't tell ya if I was reading that in the raspberryPi forums or the bananaPi forums.....
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[19:17] <Froolap> I haven't encountered that issue myself so I can't test.... I run headless mostly.....
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[19:18] <ozzzy> yeah... I connected a monitor,kbd to set it up.... then it's never had to have one plugged in
[19:19] <scoofy> or just use RJ-45 instead of wifi (if you can and is comfortable)
[19:19] <scoofy> say, in case of low-power server
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[19:19] <scoofy> but if you don't hotplug later on, shouldn't be an issue
[19:20] <ozzzy> funny, I have a dual-core Atom with 2G ram and a 60G SSD and it doesn't draw a lot more than the Pi
[19:20] <scoofy> which model?
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[19:21] <ozzzy> B
[19:21] <scoofy> i mean, which Atom
[19:21] <scoofy> or what product
[19:21] <ozzzy> N455 I think... it's on a PCM9363 3.5" board
[19:21] <ozzzy> sorry.... single-core with hyperthreading
[19:21] <scoofy> Atom are meant to be pretty low-power
[19:22] <scoofy> designed for mobile computing and laptops
[19:22] <scoofy> so i'd say that's not a surprise
[19:22] <ozzzy> with everything running it draws 980mA @ 12V
[19:22] <scoofy> not bad!
[19:22] <ozzzy> I can push it up... there are 6 USB ports LOL
[19:22] <scoofy> heh
[19:22] <ozzzy> but, everything that connects to it normally is on a powered hub
[19:22] <scoofy> how much does the SSD drive add?
[19:23] <scoofy> (if you measured it)
[19:23] <ozzzy> hardly anything
[19:23] <scoofy> hm.
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[19:23] <scoofy> after all, there's no motor to drive some physical moving part.
[19:23] <scoofy> i guess, it almost uses power only when you read/write
[19:23] <scoofy> maybe even less when idle
[19:23] <IT_Sean> thats one of the appeals of an SSD. Stoopid low powah consumption.
[19:25] <cousteau> scoofy, well, this is going to be bout 10 m away from my router, so ethernet isn't the best option
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[19:25] <scoofy> you never saw 10M long ethernet cable? :P
[19:25] <cousteau> (I was away because I was configuring the wifi and the only monitor I had was my PC's)
[19:25] <scoofy> i have a few 30M cables around
[19:25] <scoofy> RJ-45
[19:25] <cousteau> and I have a wifi dongle
[19:26] <cousteau> and don't feel like throwing cat around the house
[19:26] <scoofy> whatever floats your boat.
[19:26] <scoofy> wifi is conveinent, both for you and the hackers.
[19:26] <cousteau> yeah, it has its ups and downs; for example, now I wanted to change the wifi password and that involved ethernet
[19:26] <cousteau> wifi is set to WPA2 anyway
[19:27] <scoofy> at least RJ-45 has the advantage that it cannot be hacked wirelessly :)
[19:27] <cousteau> phreaking van eck?
[19:27] <scoofy> eck?
[19:27] <cousteau> er, Van Eck phreaking
[19:28] <cousteau> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking
[19:28] * scoofy googling
[19:28] <cousteau> I saw it in a book everybody should read
[19:28] <cousteau> well, no, only hackers and the like
[19:28] <scoofy> ..which is?
[19:28] <cousteau> Cryptonomicon
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[19:28] <ShorTie> on a B, you can hot wire a usb port so it doesn't effect the pi
[19:29] <SopaXorzTaker> Thanks to http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/index.html, got my LED blinking in two hours!
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[19:29] <scoofy> cousteau, well, at least if your unit has no monitor connected (say, a server) then not really susceptible to this kind of eavesdropping...
[19:29] <scoofy> (though everything can be hacked eventually, of course)
[19:30] <cousteau> well, it's based on interferences, so I guess ethernet is as vulnerable as a monitor
[19:30] <scoofy> i sometimes wonder how safe is a Pi, say, to run a web server
[19:30] <cousteau> ShorTie, ?
[19:30] <IT_Sean> "safe"? Well, it's not going to explode :p
[19:31] <scoofy> cousteau, CAT-5 cable is twisted pair, that diminishes interference somewhat, I believe - and, if someone is close enough to measure EF, then he's close enough to actually touch your server physicially
[19:31] <IT_Sean> It'd make a fine webserver for a small, simple page that only a few people at a time will be loading
[19:31] <cousteau> ok, new rule, from now on when somebody says "safe" everybody assumes they could mean "secure"; those are synonyms in many languages
[19:31] <scoofy> i mean, 'safe' as in, protected against hackers and external attacks
[19:31] <cousteau> so "secure"
[19:31] <CoJaBo> It cann apperently perform pretty OK even with more than a few people on it
[19:31] <scoofy> in my apache2 logs, sometimes 80-90% of all my traffic is basically, hacker attacks
[19:32] <IT_Sean> In that sense, it is NO DIFFERENT to any other linux based web server. It is as secure or as insecure as YOU make it.
[19:32] <scoofy> trying all kinds of exploits and zero days
[19:32] <CoJaBo> scoofy: Wow that's low
[19:32] <scoofy> are there Raspi zero days?
[19:32] <scoofy> ok, maybe 95%+ :)
[19:32] <scoofy> or so
[19:32] <CoJaBo> Mines like 99% :/
[19:32] <scoofy> depending on period
[19:32] <Armand> Mine's about 40-50%
[19:32] <CoJaBo> Raspi linux distros are just linux distros
[19:32] <scoofy> so.. i wonder if there are some 'raspi zero-day exploits' somewhere on the black markets
[19:32] <scoofy> or in NSA catalogs
[19:32] <CoJaBo> Keep it up to date, and it will be fine
[19:32] <omfgtora> so, the display i found earlier, in all the reviews say it takes some modification and/or downloading a custom rasbian. BUT i found the same screen WITH a 2gb sd card with the custom rom for $3 more!
[19:33] <Armand> Dropped massively after I dropped OVH's entire IP ranges. ;)
[19:33] <scoofy> well, i installed grsecurity kernel patch on the raspbian. it installed fine.
[19:33] <CoJaBo> Armand: Most of mine seem to come from Germany. Dunno why.
[19:33] <Armand> O_o
[19:34] <scoofy> (and yea, 'safe' equals 'secure' in my language, maybe that's why i confuse them in speak)
[19:34] <yggdrasil> well seeing as how it is simply debian linux im sure there are a list of availiable exploites.
[19:34] <CoJaBo> scoofy: Most exploits are at the web-applicatoin level anyway (a substantial fraction of those naturally being PHP). They don't even have anything to do with the server, OS, or hardware.
[19:34] <yggdrasil> shall i query metasploit ?
[19:35] <scoofy> CoJaBo, yes, i'm afraid most of them would be apache2 exploits etc.
[19:35] <CoJaBo> scoofy: Web application, not server..
[19:35] <scoofy> and php and all teh dynamic web sh*tz
[19:35] <scoofy> well, there are exploits for apache2 itself too
[19:35] <CoJaBo> scoofy: E.g., Wordpress
[19:35] <scoofy> i see 'apache2 zero-day' exploits in my logs sometimes
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[19:35] <CoJaBo> Almost all the scans I get are for webapp 0days and similar
[19:35] <scoofy> on top of all the PHP-CGI etc. exploits
[19:36] <scoofy> i get all kinds :) even NAS zero-day exploit scans
[19:36] <yggdrasil> the fact taht the source code is availbe means that anyone with resources can locate exploits
[19:36] <CoJaBo> Wordpress and PMA make up the bulk of those
[19:36] <scoofy> exploiting some bug in NAS home servers
[19:36] <CoJaBo> scoofy: I think some of these are NAS too; a lot of NAS systems use webapps.
[19:36] <scoofy> i was considering installing wordpress... but then i was like... 'ummm... nope'
[19:36] <scoofy> the more things you add, the more attack surfaces
[19:37] <CoJaBo> 55% of all bytes transferred on one of my boxes is hits to /wp-login.php alone
[19:37] <scoofy> heh
[19:37] <CoJaBo> That machine does not even run a Wordpress install :/
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[19:37] <CoJaBo> PMA is also a fat target
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[19:37] <scoofy> so... say, if there's some patched exploit in regular Debian, how soon is that ported to Raspi? or if you regulary do apt-get update, that should fix all holes?
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[19:38] <scoofy> PMA? what is that
[19:39] <CoJaBo> ..that's a good question actually.. I'd hope it uses some off the same repos, or is at least maintained quickly
[19:39] <scoofy> oh, phpMyAdmin
[19:39] <CoJaBo> Yeh
[19:39] <scoofy> yep... at least 50% of my exploit scans are sure for phpMyAdmin....
[19:39] <scoofy> php is a big hole of exploits as a whole.... so i try to avoid installing it, whenever I can
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[19:41] <CoJaBo> Looking thru the logs for the past hour, I see exploits against: actionnews, web-console, BTI, zimbra, lots and lots and lots of web-dav
[19:42] <CoJaBo> CFIDE, and most of the ones I cant identify look like shopping carts
[19:42] <CoJaBo> Looks like xcart
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[19:50] <taza> scoofy: php has basically no exploits
[19:50] <scoofy> then why are 50% of my exploits targeted at phpMyAdmin
[19:50] <scoofy> on my server
[19:50] <taza> Because people don't patch their shit and it's common
[19:50] <scoofy> so it has holes.
[19:50] <taza> No.
[19:51] <scoofy> no holes that *you* know of.
[19:51] <taza> Things built on php have holes, more often than not
[19:51] <taza> Well, in this case it's helpful that it's open source and you can go check
[19:51] <scoofy> just like, SSL was open source too
[19:51] <scoofy> (anyone remember heartbleed?)
[19:51] <taza> phpMyAdmin is not, in fact, php itself.
[19:51] <taza> Yeah, open source may have bugs. And so does closed-source software.
[19:52] <taza> Want bug-free software? Fund it.
[19:52] <scoofy> sure. it's a totally, entirely unrelated program, that has absolutely nothing to do with php at all.
[19:52] <taza> Are you just belligerent to be belligerent?
[19:52] <scoofy> never heard of sarcasm?
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[19:52] <taza> It's used to do database work, and it's written in php. It is not, in fact, php.
[19:52] * scoofy does not trust php, or anything that uses php
[19:53] <taza> I've heard of sarcasm, but your technical literacy isn't sufficient to actually be sarcastic here.
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[19:53] <scoofy> oh, sure.
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[19:54] <taza> Don't trust php; it's not safe to trust any piece of software without question.
[19:54] <scoofy> indeed.
[19:54] <yggdrasil> put it in the dmz
[19:54] <cousteau> ShorTie, so what were you saying about hot wiring a USB port?
[19:54] <taza> But php is not noticeably more or less secure than anything internet-facing not written by Adobe.
[19:54] <taza> Adobe products have a time-tested reputation as far as security's concerned.
[19:55] <scoofy> well
[19:55] <scoofy> so far all the hacks I had on my server, were in fact php exploits
[19:56] <scoofy> damn h4x0rz
[19:56] <taza> Against php or against things running on php?
[19:56] <taza> Because the former's actually php's fault; the latter's just you.
[19:56] <scoofy> i had some php code injected into my .php code
[19:56] <scoofy> how they got in, i don't know
[19:56] <taza> Good job, you don't know how you were hacked.
[19:56] <scoofy> but i found php code on my server that I did not write myself.
[19:56] <taza> Security professional.
[19:56] <taza> (this is sarcasm)
[19:56] <scoofy> it was not my own server.
[19:57] <scoofy> to be more precise.
[19:57] <scoofy> so it's not my job to know how he got hacked.
[19:57] <scoofy> (back then, I did not even have SSH access to that box)
[19:57] <scoofy> all I know, is some h4x0rz injected some malicious PHP code into all of my pages.
[19:57] <scoofy> that spreads malware.
[19:58] <scoofy> by opening some secret hidden IFrame
[19:58] <taza> You're misrepresenting the situation to back your point, your technical literacy isn't sufficient to understand why you're wrong; and you're belligerent.
[19:58] <scoofy> thanks, Mr. Know It All
[19:58] <taza> I see no advantage to trying to convince anyone of anything; if your behavior isn't sufficient to convince others, nothing I say will be.
[19:58] <scoofy> what I'm saying: "running PHP is a security risk on its own"
[19:58] <scoofy> if PHP were not running on that server, that exploit could have not been possible.
[19:58] <scoofy> as a matter of fact.
[19:59] <scoofy> for this reason, I try to avoid *running* PHP *at all*
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[20:00] <scoofy> instead of, "trying to be faster patching holes than how fast hackers find it"
[20:01] <taza> You have demonstrated no holes.
[20:01] <taza> Not in php anyway
[20:01] <scoofy> yes. they just started spreading malware from my server.
[20:01] <scoofy> via php injection
[20:01] <scoofy> no issue at all
[20:01] <scoofy> </sarcasm>
[20:02] <taza> php allows you to do a lot of things if you have hardware access, which they evidently did.
[20:02] <scoofy> iirc even Firefox blacklisted my web page
[20:02] <scoofy> for malware
[20:02] <taza> Like blaming C++ for your code not compiling.
[20:02] <scoofy> i had to specifically write to some insitutions to have my webpage removed from "malware blacklist"
[20:02] <scoofy> thanks to some php code injection
[20:03] <taza> They shouldn't have, a site run by someone as incompetent as yourself probably shouldn't be online
[20:03] <scoofy> yea, sure. it was like, 5+ years ago, but thanks for educucating me Mr. Know It All
[20:03] <scoofy> back in my rookie days
[20:03] <scoofy> and as I said, the site was not 'run' by me, I merely uploaded the content.
[20:04] <taza> Usually people are considered rookies until they learn the tools of the trade.
[20:04] <scoofy> as I said, I was a rookie back then 5+ years ago, and I'm not afraid to admit it
[20:04] <scoofy> even you were a rookie some time in the past.
[20:04] <scoofy> before you started learning.
[20:04] <taza> No, I said you're a rookie now.
[20:04] <taza> If you've been doing this for five years, I'd just put down the tools.
[20:04] <scoofy> oh, sure. I had education at CISCO, can log into CISCO routers, but whatever.
[20:05] <taza> Try plumbing.
[20:05] <scoofy> I'm a rookie, according to Mr. Taza.
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[20:05] <scoofy> because he can see it with x-ray eyes.
[20:05] <taza> Or honestly, I'd try being a cashier for a while.
[20:05] <omfgtora> whether scoofy is a rookie or not, taza is rather pompous
[20:06] <scoofy> look, at CISCO, we had to design complete corporate networks as homework
[20:06] <taza> Heh.
[20:06] <Froolap> Or washing windows instead of running windows.
[20:06] <scoofy> the entire internet infrastructure of a building
[20:06] <antoon> morning world
[20:06] <taza> Froolap: Oh, good one.
[20:06] <taza> But no, I wasn't trying to put him down, I was trying to hint that maybe he should play to his strengths.
[20:06] <scoofy> log into CISCO routers to figure out why the network doesn't work (again, we had these as exams)
[20:07] <scoofy> can you even log into a router?
[20:07] <taza> Or maybe get therapy.
[20:07] <scoofy> sure.
[20:07] <antoon> ofc you can, scoofy
[20:07] <taza> And yes, I can log into a router, corporate or home.
[20:07] <scoofy> i mean, command line
[20:07] <taza> I can build a router, and have.
[20:07] <scoofy> using tcl
[20:07] <taza> Yeah, not a problem.
[20:07] <scoofy> ok.
[20:07] <antoon> prolly through telnet though
[20:07] <antoon> ordinary i/o sockets also work
[20:08] <omfgtora> i can lift an entire building over my head!
[20:08] <taza> Eh, as long as I don't have to do it via RS232
[20:08] <taza> Not because I can't do RS232, but because those things are ornery
[20:08] <omfgtora> lets skip all the bull. why dont you guys just compare penis size?
[20:08] <scoofy> yeah, just get to the point
[20:08] <scoofy> skip the bullshit
[20:09] <taza> I mean, yes, I have a spare machine with RS232 on the motherboard I still haven't thrown away because RS232 to usb is a problem
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> while trying to make sure it's kept family friendly ...
[20:09] <taza> Ah, good, someone's here.
[20:09] <taza> Could I now stop getting barbs thrown at me whenever I shut up?
[20:10] <scoofy> could you stop telling me how stupid you think I am?
[20:10] <scoofy> thank you!
[20:10] <omfgtora> ^
[20:10] <scoofy> no please keep it family friendly. thanks.
[20:10] <scoofy> *now
[20:10] <omfgtora> no matter how much YOU think scoofy is stupid, no one here cares.
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[20:11] <taza> scoofy: This is genuine advice. Look into therapy, it might do wonders. Your technical skill suffers from your reluctance to re-evaluate past experiences and your reaction when other people disagree with you. I've seen way too many people over the years in this field burn out because they can't handle it.
[20:11] <scoofy> be careful not to burn out yourself!
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> sounds like next doors kids squabbling over christmas presents ..
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> think I'll make some brioche tonight.
[20:12] <omfgtora> taza, you might want to look into therapy yourself. you seem to have some sort of god complex.
[20:12] <taza> I just want to say I'm holding myself back right now.
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> anyone talking about cool Pi swap that santa brought them?
[20:13] <taza> Swap or swag?
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> er, s/swap/swag/
[20:13] <taza> I mean, a RPi Secret Santa might be a bit weird
[20:13] <taza> Santa brought me a boatload of assorted boards, but not anything for my Pi.
[20:14] <omfgtora> no, gordon was referring to SWAP
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> there was a secret santa arranged via some Pi people ...
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> I got something and I sent something!
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> but other than that I got almost no technology related stuff.
[20:14] <heller\> what psu would you ppl support for rpi b+ and 5m led strip?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> I did get a cool pen with a spirit level in it.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> heller\, how many LEDs?
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[20:15] <omfgtora> i got a $30 amazon gift card i plan on using to buy a display for my pi
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[20:16] <taza> heller\: Does it HAVE to be the same PSU for the leds and the RPi? Because that sounds iffy.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> taza, it might be ok - but until we know how many LEDs (and what current), no-one can tell...
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> e.g. 17 5mm LEDs on a Pi: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[20:17] <taza> I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying it might be a nightmare to troubleshoot
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[20:25] <heller\> gordonDrogon: 300
[20:25] <heller\> same PSU
[20:26] <heller\> And a cap to even out the voltage?
[20:28] <omfgtora> i dont know much, but i'd imagine that would be too much for the PSU to run both a pi b+ and 300 LEDs
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[20:29] <gordonDrogon> 300 x 5mm LEDs - if the LEDs are taking 10mA each, then it's 3 amps. Standard PC PSU will handle that with ease.
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> the hardest part will be wiring it up and interfacing it to the Pi.
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[20:33] <heller\> they are 5050 leds
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> already mounted on a PCB then?
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[20:38] <straterra> I'm looking to control a handful of 120v connections via a GPIO pin, but I'm having a hard time finding SSR's that I can interface with 3.3v
[20:38] <straterra> and that can also handle 120v/5a
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[20:39] <heller\> gordonDrogon: yes
[20:40] <heller\> gordonDrogon: i have a smps for Rpi
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[20:41] <gordonDrogon> heller\, well if it can supply 3-5 amps you ought to be fine.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> straterra, AC or DC?
[20:42] <heller\> gordonDrogon: i was going to power Rpi with this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-LM2596-DC-Buck-Step-Down-Voltage-Adjustable-Converter-Power-Module-Regulator-/351090346847
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> straterra, (just curious about the AC or DC thing). You probably want to use a darlington driver to let the LEDs inside the SSRs conduct - most of them are 5-15mA, so more than a few might be too much for the Pi.
[20:42] <heller\> and raspberry would control a relay, or a fet
[20:43] <heller\> gordonDrogon: just wondering, where to connect that regulator
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> heller\, those are mostly fine - but you get what you pay for. I'd use 2 or more as they're so cheap.
[20:43] <straterra> gordonDrogon: AC
[20:43] <heller\> gordonDrogon: two parallel? or why two?
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> heller\, I guess you have a higher than 5v supply? 12 battery?
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> heller\, I didn't say in parallel.
[20:43] <heller\> 12V power source of some sort
[20:43] <straterra> and I have some darlington chips I could use between the RPI and the SSR
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> heller\, one for the Pi and one for the LEDs.
[20:44] <heller\> ah
[20:44] <heller\> leds strip is 12V
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> straterra, check the SSR - most have opto isolator inputs with an uncommited LED, so one side of the LEd to +5v, resistor, then open collector driver (e.g. uln2803) to 0v, signal direct from the Pi.
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> heller\, do you have a data sheet for the LED strip?
[20:45] <heller\> gordonDrogon: now the led strip is having this as a Psu http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/10765/dddqc/Goobay-yleismallin-reguloitu-hakkurivirtalahde-pienlaitteill
[20:45] <heller\> gordonDrogon: nope
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> heller\, can't find how much current that can deliver at 12v.
[20:45] <heller\> gordonDrogon: im thinking this for rpi and the strip http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/11040
[20:46] <heller\> gordonDrogon: that earlier is 2250mA
[20:46] <heller\> the shorter url is 3A
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> well it might work.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> what interface does the LED strip have?
[20:46] <heller\> red and a blue wire :)
[20:46] <straterra> gordonDrogon: I havent actually bought an SSR yet :x
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> heller\, er ...
[20:47] <heller\> or what do you mean
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> heller\, it's just for general lighting, so on/off for all the LEDs?
[20:47] <heller\> ah, just on/off
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> heller\, ok. you need a big power mosfet or a relay (and a driver)
[20:48] <heller\> i got mosfets, but im not sure do any of them run from 3v3
[20:48] <heller\> i've got one logic level
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> some are designed to run just fine from ttl/3.3v gate voltages.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> e.g. http://skpang.co.uk/catalog/rfp30n06le-nchannel-mosfet-60v-30a-p-968.html
[20:51] <taza> heller\: How far you from Helsinki or Tampere?
[20:51] <heller\> taza: i live in helsinki
[20:52] <taza> Well then you have part access for basically anything.
[20:52] <heller\> sure
[20:52] <heller\> i've got one of these IRL3803
[20:53] <heller\> Vgs(on) is 1V
[20:53] <taza> You're familiar with Bebek I assume?
[20:53] <heller\> oops
[20:53] <heller\> I mean Vgs(on)
[20:53] <heller\> so that would run the strip awesomely
[20:53] <heller\> and i could even do some PWM
[20:53] <taza> You're grabbing assorted electronics supplies from verkkokauppa.com and as much as I love 'em, they aren't really a store for the do-it-yourself type
[20:54] <heller\> all im getting from verkkokauppa.com is the psu :)
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[20:54] <taza> Ah, 's fair. Just makin' sure.
[20:55] <heller\> i've got this about 3km from me http://partco.biz/verkkokauppa/
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> heller\, yes, that might work OK directly off the Pi.
[20:55] <taza> Sorry, just threw me off, seeing someone assembling something from parts from there is a bit weird. Says he, with a package waiting.
[20:55] <heller\> is 2-2.5A too much to drive from it without a heatsink?
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> work it out from the datasheet...
[20:56] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: how are you ?
[20:57] <heller\> gordonDrogon: do you know how to?
[20:57] <heller\> i know i need the junction to ambient, which is 62
[20:57] <heller\> 62C/W
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> heller\, work out the on resistance, the current and use ohms law - V = IR, and P = IV. etc.
[20:58] <heller\> and its about 2.5A for the strip
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> off to watch some TV now.
[20:58] <heller\> i can try, just wanted some pointers :p
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[21:04] <Froolap> I forgot ohm's law
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[21:06] <heller\> Tj_max = 175C, Rja = 62C/W and Rds(on) = 0.009ohm
[21:06] <heller\> how to move on?
[21:08] <heller\> hmm
[21:08] <heller\> Tj_max - Ta = ~150C
[21:10] <ozzzy> I don't need Ohm's law... I read Great's
[21:11] <heller\> i dont know this stuff
[21:11] <heller\> damnit
[21:12] <heller\> if Rds(on) is 0.009 and I = 2.5A
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[21:13] <heller\> is it then 0.056W
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[21:14] <heller\> argh
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> heller\: voltage = current * resistance
[21:16] <heller\> but why i need the voltage?
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> So it's .01 ohms * 2.5A = .025V
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> the voltage across the FET
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> then wattage = voltage * current - so .0625W or so
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> It can be handy to cross-check it by another method
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> major caveat
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> The above figures only work if you drive the gate to 5V
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> The turnon voltage is totally unspecified on that FET - worst case
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> - threshold voltage
[21:24] <heller\> yeah
[21:24] <heller\> and im driving it at 3.3V
[21:24] <heller\> but seems like, im in no worries
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> This part works. Other identical ones are not specified to
[21:26] <heller\> thanks SpeedEvil
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[21:59] <gyeben> hi
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[22:01] <gyeben> does anyone know how to set the 'performance' cpu scaling governor at boot?
[22:01] <gyeben> I'm using Arch
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[22:05] <shiftplusone> gyeben, cpupower seems to be what you're after
[22:05] <gyeben> I'll have a look at it
[22:06] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_frequency_scaling#cpupower
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[22:09] <Mr_005> Am I going to need a powered USB hub to run a keyboard and mouse off of one port?
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[22:10] <scoofy> nope.
[22:10] <Mr_005> sweet
[22:10] <scoofy> a regular one will likely do it
[22:11] <Mr_005> ive got one somewhere, Ill have to find it. Havent used it in years
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[22:11] <scoofy> (but as usual, it helps if your power supply is not a weak one)
[22:12] <Mr_005> Im about to do my first boot ever, fingers crossed
[22:12] <scoofy> good luck ;)
[22:13] <gyeben> Mr_005: which OS will you try? Raspbian?
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[22:13] <Mr_005> I put pidora on.
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[22:14] <haladur> Hi
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[22:15] <Mr_005> Is the difference in power supplies just amperage? Im using my 50 watt USB hub to power it, so It can pull a few amps.
[22:16] <scoofy> well that's the most obvious difference.
[22:16] <scoofy> 1-2A is far enough.
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[22:17] <abnormal> you need at least a 1A PSU on pi, and a powered USB hub...
[22:17] <martk100> How do i change from lxde to e17 on raspbian?
[22:18] <Mr_005> okay, cool. Thats what i figured.I didnt get a kit or anything, just the A+
[22:18] <scoofy> tehnically, it can boot on less. i think some 3-400 mA is enough to boot.
[22:18] <scoofy> but at least 700mA is recommended, more like 1A+
[22:18] <gyeben> abnormal: why would one need a powered USB hub?
[22:19] <gyeben> I mean, yes, it's good to have a powered hub
[22:19] <shiftplusone> Mr_005, the difference between power supplies is quality. A power supply may say it's a 2A supply, but only puts out 4V at that current. You may also have lossy cables where you can have a significant voltage drop. They can also explode, electrocute you and/or burn your house down. That's why it's important to use a genuine power supply.
[22:19] <gyeben> but it's not necessary
[22:19] <abnormal> so the power on pi is not robbed by the USB stuff plugged into pi
[22:19] <abnormal> like kybd, mouse, wifi, etc
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[22:19] <atmosx> hello guys
[22:20] <shiftplusone> hi
[22:20] <atmosx> a mysql or psql serve with 2-3 simultaneous connections will take up to 50 MB of RAM right?
[22:20] <scoofy> use a genune chinese power supply.
[22:20] <atmosx> I don't need to use SQLite3 on an RPi
[22:20] <scoofy> heh
[22:21] <shiftplusone> Doesn't matter if it's Chinese or not, just make sure the company that makes it has an office in your country so you can sue them when they burn your house down.
[22:21] <scoofy> heh. good recommendation.
[22:21] <gyeben> lol
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[22:21] <abnormal> lol
[22:21] <abnormal> it's true, really
[22:22] <abnormal> kureg coffee makers had a huge recall causing fires
[22:22] <abnormal> 700,000 of them
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[22:24] <jjido> Atmosx you can run mysql
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[22:24] <atmosx> jiffe: I can and often I do, but I think I'll switch to Postgress for this last project
[22:24] <dob1> hi, i am looking at this guide, on the overclocking part, https://extremeshok.com/1081/raspberry-pi-raspbian-tuning-optimising-optimizing-for-reduced-memory-usage/ the first proposed setting is wrong, it's not 800mhz but 850mhz, but it's safe to use this setting even if it is 850 with no heatskin?
[22:25] <gyeben> dobl: yes, it's safe
[22:25] <shiftplusone> dob1, 1) that guide is absolute rubbish 2)don't worry about heatsinks, they do more harm than good, no matter how much you overclock.
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[22:25] <scoofy> is ventillation important?
[22:26] <gyeben> not really
[22:26] <shiftplusone> use vcgencmd measure_temp to check the temperature
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[22:26] <dob1> shiftplusone, if it is rubbish, so what is a safe overclocking value?
[22:27] <shiftplusone> if it's below 80, you're fine.
[22:27] <abnormal> how do I install that feature, shiftplusone ?
[22:27] <shiftplusone> dob1, they're all 'safe'. The worst thing that will happen is that it won't boot.
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[22:27] <scoofy> says 47.1 C
[22:27] <shiftplusone> scoofy, that's very low, so temperature is the last thing to worry about right now.
[22:27] <shiftplusone> abnormal, sorry, which feature?
[22:27] <scoofy> heh. indeed.
[22:28] <abnormal> vcgencmd measure temp
[22:28] <dob1> shiftplusone, ok i will use it then
[22:28] <shiftplusone> abnormal, what os are you running?
[22:28] <dob1> thanks
[22:28] <abnormal> raspbain
[22:28] <shiftplusone> dob1, I should add that overclocking ALONE is perfectly safe. If you also start adjusting voltage levels and overriding protection, then you should be a bit careful.
[22:28] <shiftplusone> abnormal, it should already be there
[22:29] <shiftplusone> abnormal, if not, I think it's part of libraspberrypi-bin
[22:29] <scoofy> there's a _ in 'measure_temp'
[22:29] <abnormal> ok so I activate in term?
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[22:29] <shiftplusone> yes, just run 'vcgencmd measure_temp' in terminal/console.
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[22:30] <abnormal> like sudo vcgencmd measure_temp?
[22:30] <jjido> What is vcgencmd ?
[22:30] <scoofy> don't even need sudo
[22:30] <shiftplusone> I don't think it needs to run as root
[22:30] <abnormal> ok ty
[22:30] <scoofy> nope
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[22:31] <shiftplusone> jjido, just a set of commands you can give to videocore and get a reply. You can run vcgencmd commands to get a list of what's available.
[22:32] <abnormal> 39.0 C
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[22:34] <abnormal> now 42.2 C
[22:34] <scoofy> keep going. maybe next 45.5 C
[22:35] <abnormal> yeh? what's the limit?
[22:35] <abnormal> 1234C?/
[22:35] <scoofy> well
[22:35] <scoofy> run some program that uses 100% cpu
[22:35] <scoofy> then measure again
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[22:37] <abnormal> like the Midori browser... lol
[22:37] <scoofy> yea
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[22:37] <scoofy> just load some page will with javascripts :P
[22:37] <scoofy> full with*
[22:38] <abnormal> the whole activity indicator will be all green
[22:38] <scoofy> yep
[22:38] <scoofy> keep that on, then measure the temp during that
[22:38] <abnormal> and for like hours...
[22:38] <scoofy> after some seconds
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[22:38] <abnormal> k, just a min...
[22:38] <scoofy> i think it's stupid scripts
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[22:38] <scoofy> that cause that
[22:39] <scoofy> and most browsers today are dumb enough not to be able to handle it better
[22:40] <abnormal> went up to 45.5 C
[22:40] <scoofy> see? i said
[22:41] <scoofy> next will be 45.5 :P
[22:41] <shiftplusone> another thing you guys might be interested in is measuring the ring oscillator frequency
[22:41] <abnormal> lol
[22:41] <shiftplusone> which will tell you how overclockable your pi is
[22:41] <abnormal> oh?
[22:41] <shiftplusone> vcgencmd read_ring_osc
[22:41] <abnormal> k, min...
[22:42] <scoofy> 2.916MHz
[22:42] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=82369
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[22:43] <abnormal> 2.887MHz
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[22:47] <abnormal> 1.20V
[22:48] <abnormal> so if I put in 12 V the thing wud fly, eh?
[22:48] <heller\> did anyone underclock rpi?
[22:49] <heller\> could i save power with it?
[22:49] <scoofy> i believe it doesn't save much power
[22:49] <scoofy> i read somewhere
[22:49] <scoofy> so not worth it
[22:49] <heller\> but overclocking takes more?
[22:49] <abnormal> only way to underclock it is turn off.
[22:50] <scoofy> iirc you can turn off composite output to save some mA
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[22:59] <abnormal> 50.8C
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[23:05] <heller\> ?
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[23:10] <abnormal> 51.4C
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[23:27] <abnormal> 00.0C
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[23:55] <Jckf> scoofy: Do you know anything else about disabling the video outputs?
[23:55] <scoofy> lemme try to check
[23:56] <Froolap> disabling the video output is eash, jam a screwdriveer into the hdmi socket and it will never be enabled again.
[23:57] <Jckf> Hue hue
[23:57] <Froolap> getting video to work in the first place is the hard part, why would you want to disable it?
[23:57] <scoofy> Jckf, googling 'raspi disable video output' gives some interesting pages
[23:58] <Jckf> Froolap: To save energy and processing power
[23:58] <scoofy> apparently, the usb hub can be switched off too
[23:59] <Jckf> Yeah, but that'll kill ethernet

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