#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-12-28

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[0:43] <hid3> Hello everyone. I need to have a simple input from button via the GPIO pins. I already have one. However, my both +3.3V (pins 1 and 17) are already occupied: one for an already existing button and another one to a relay board. Question: I have a vacant +5V GPIO pin. Can I somehow use it for button function?
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[0:44] <Triffid_Hunter> hid3: you could use 1k8 and 3k3 resistors to form a divider, but you'd be much better off making a distribution point for the 3.3v
[0:46] <hid3> Yeah, I've thought about a distribution point but that would look ugly in my setup. (Why did they make only two 3.3 Volt pins??) That's why I was asking about using the 5 Volts. Is it safe to use resistors? Wouldn't it damage anything even over excessive amount of time?
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[0:54] <gordonDrogon> hid3, you only need one 3.3v pin - or connect any gpio via a switch to 0v for a simple button input.
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> hid3, do not connect the 5v line to any gpio line on the pi, or it's potential death.
[0:56] <hid3> gordonDrogon: you mean it's possible to make a simple button input with only two GPIOs, GND and one of vacant GPIO pins, without using +3.3V at all?
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[1:02] <hid3> Yep, it seems so: http://razzpisampler.oreilly.com/ch07.html Now I'm thinking why the hell I was messing with that +3.3V and resistors when I was initially setting up the first few buttons I've made a year ago....
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[1:26] <Mr_005> yo
[1:26] <abnormal> oy
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[1:30] <eXtremo> Hi. I'm willing to install three OS in my rpi (raspbian, raspbmc and retropie). Can I do this with NOOBS? (I think it doesn't include retropie)
[1:30] <eXtremo> I'm wanting to put them in a single 16gb sd card
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[1:33] <Mr_005> I think you can do it, you'll just have to download it manually and do it "separate" from the other two. But im not quite sure.
[1:34] <abnormal> then you need something like grub to allow you choose which OS to load....
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[1:38] <eXtremo> I see.. I'll search a bit more.. thanks!
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[1:45] <arcaos> hello folks
[1:45] <arcaos> need a little help with ruby on rails running on my raspberry pi.... basically a port/eth0 problem
[1:46] <arcaos> I can see the server localy if I connect via 127.0.0.1:3000 but cannot see it if I connect via 192.168.1.115:3000
[1:46] <arcaos> any ideas?
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[1:47] <Triffid_Hunter> arcaos: may need to set the listen ip to 0.0.0.0 instead of localhost, see what sudo lsof -i -n says about it
[1:47] <Froolap> I don't know what ruby is. but you might want to try specifyig localhost or ip address when you are trying to "see" it.
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[1:48] <arcaos> Triffid_Hunter, thx, where do I post the output?
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[1:48] <Froolap> It sounds like it is binding to a network interface, so maybe an entry in /etc/hosts would resolve.
[1:48] <arcaos> don't want to flood
[1:49] <Triffid_Hunter> arcaos: just look at it, what ip address is before :3000 for your server's LISTEN line?
[1:49] <Triffid_Hunter> arcaos: it should be 0.0.0.0 to access from any ip, but many servers only listen on 127.0.0.1 by default for security
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[1:50] <arcaos> Triffid_Hunter, yep, it is 127.0.0.1
[1:50] <arcaos> what can I do to correct that
[1:50] <Triffid_Hunter> arcaos: go have a poke at server config then, should be able to grep for listen and fix it :)
[1:51] <Triffid_Hunter> arcaos: I've never even looked at ruby on rails, just apache and nginx which both have a listen directive that specifies which IPs and ports to listen on
[1:52] <arcaos> ok, will hunt
[1:52] <arcaos> thx
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[1:53] <arcaos> Froolap, will look as well
[1:55] <mfa298> i'm very new to ruby and not used rails yet but i think the standard deployment setup is to integrate rails with apache/nginx via something like passenger
[1:55] <mfa298> although setting that up on a pi takes a while to compile and needs extra swap
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[3:55] <FrankD_> anyone here have experience compiling kernel modules or kernels?
[3:55] <FrankD_> http://pastebin.com/ksVC1snK
[3:56] <FrankD_> getting that error -- same error when I try to "make zImage" in the kernel directory (running Pidora, have kernel-devel and kernel-headers installed)
[3:56] <FrankD_> any idea what I could be missing?
[3:56] <Tachyon`> maybe you still have to make dep first
[3:56] <Tachyon`> although it's many years since I built a kernel
[3:57] <FrankD_> make dep is deprecated
[3:57] <Tachyon`> ah
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[5:12] <FrankD_> ugh compiling a kernel on an rpi is painful
[5:12] <FrankD_> is there an appliance i can download with the toolchain already setup?
[5:12] <FrankD_> or do i have to do it the hard way?
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[5:15] <ring0> FrankD_, i think this is a good start for cross compilation http://elinux.org/Raspberry_Pi_Kernel_Compilation
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[5:17] <FrankD_> ring0, great, thanks!
[5:18] <ring0> FrankD_, you're welcome. hope it's useful :)
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[5:19] <FrankD_> looks like it should be, ive cross compiled before -- its just a pain, was hoping there was a preconfigured VM thatd make life easy but NBD
[5:19] <FrankD_> wonder how long it takes to compile a kernel on a rasppi
[5:20] <ring0> on the bottom of that page it says ~11hours
[5:20] <FrankD_> lol nice
[5:20] <FrankD_> well i guess ill let this run until i wake up tomorrow
[5:20] <FrankD_> and setup a VM just for cross compiling tomorrow
[5:21] <FrankD_> for future use
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[5:22] <FrankD_> says 22 hours for opensuse kernel :p
[5:23] <FrankD_> i remember ~1hr+ compile times back with a Cyrix 6x86, this is crazy
[5:23] <FrankD_> oh shit
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[5:23] <FrankD_> i put distcc on everything
[5:23] <FrankD_> i should just run it with distcc :P
[5:23] <FrankD_> got 4 rpis
[5:24] <abnormal> 5 here
[5:24] <abnormal> and a BBB
[5:24] <FrankD_> ah I want a BBB
[5:24] <FrankD_> this is for a project for someone else, just getting things prepped
[5:24] <FrankD_> gotta write some kernel drivers
[5:25] <abnormal> I see.... me don't code
[5:25] <FrankD_> i think theyre sending me 10 more rpis
[5:25] <FrankD_> using up lots of ports on my switch :P
[5:25] <abnormal> nice
[5:26] <abnormal> get a bigger switch
[5:26] <FrankD_> heh i have a 48 port cisco on the desk
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[5:27] <FrankD_> 3560-48TS (44x100, 4x1000), then a 5524 Dell (24x1000) and a 3550-12T (10 GBIC 1000 slots, 2 1000BT slots)
[5:27] <FrankD_> then in the closet I have a 3560-24PS (20x100 PoE, 2x1000 fiber) and a few routers
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[5:28] <abnormal> ok.. then you could start a neighborhood network and make income...
[5:28] <FrankD_> haha yeah my routers are kind of kick ass
[5:29] <FrankD_> got a few 7206VXRs with NPEG1s, theyll route a couple gigs of traffic
[5:29] <FrankD_> and a cisco wireless controller, and a bunch of LAPs running CAPWAP back to the controller
[5:30] <abnormal> well what are you waiting for? get out there and make the dough...
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[5:30] <FrankD_> hah i wish :\
[5:31] <FrankD_> .. still compiling BTRFS, as if I'd use that on an SD card :p
[5:34] <abnormal> only you can do it.. no one gunna hold ya hand...
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[5:34] <FrankD_> gotta compile the default kernel so i can compile my custom modules apparently
[5:34] <FrankD_> :\
[5:35] <abnormal> I see... ok, good luck and accomplish that goal....
[5:38] <FrankD_> yeah just gonna let this one run while i sleep, hopefully its done before i have to work on it tomorrow :D
[5:39] <FrankD_> im used to 4 minute kernel compiles on my 16 core box :\
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[5:39] <abnormal> ok nite and sleep with all the zeros and ones jumping over you...
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[5:45] <FrankD_> yeah i can count my sheep in binary
[5:46] <abnormal> how about hexadecimal
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[6:03] <SpeedEvil> You don't count sheep in binary.
[6:04] <SpeedEvil> You do it in baanery
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[6:52] <a1011ip0p> Greetings, fellow raspbians.
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[8:32] <monst> good evening
[8:32] <monst> I have my PI booted with a TFT screen, which is currently showing tty1
[8:33] <monst> I was curious if I could ssh in an interact with tty1?
[8:33] <monst> to be seen on the screen
[8:39] <Tachyon`> is that a 320x240 screen that plugs into the gpio port with a few buttons and a touchscreen?
[8:39] <Tachyon`> also, is that nick a devpac st reference?
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[8:46] <Triffid_Hunter> monst: you want either tmux or gnu screen for that
[8:46] <monst> thanks
[8:48] <Triffid_Hunter> monst: they won't automagically turn up on tty1, you'll have to play with /etc/inittab as well. should be able to google up a screen+inittab+rpi tutorial
[8:48] <monst> I was able to do it with linuxvnc
[8:48] <monst> atleast what I wanted to do
[8:48] <monst> sudo linuxvnc X
[8:48] <monst> Where ‘X’ is the TTY # you want to grab.
[8:49] <Triffid_Hunter> monst: yeah they probably had it set up by default.. screen -xRR in ~/.bash_profile and a default screen session on tty1 would do it
[8:49] <Triffid_Hunter> monst: vnc is something totally different, that's for graphical X instances
[8:49] <monst> it works for tty1 also
[8:49] <Triffid_Hunter> monst: screen/tmux are for terminals, and they're great and you should use them all the time on any linux system you happen to interact with
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[8:50] <monst> ill probably move to tmux and screen, but I am atleast able to demo now with this working
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[9:46] <taplaptap> hey fellas, is there a way to get flash going with the browsers yet?
[9:47] <taplaptap> i want to be able to have my daughter play around with youtube
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[9:57] <Triffid_Hunter> taplaptap: I use http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/video_download for that sort of thing.. set it to grab mp4 by default then feed to omxplayer instead of mplayer
[9:59] <Triffid_Hunter> taplaptap: might not be so great for your daughter though ;)
[9:59] <Triffid_Hunter> taplaptap: but frankly, adobe have abandoned linux and will never make flash for arm, you'd be far better off setting your browser to html5-only
[9:59] <taplaptap> ahh yeah, she's only 2
[9:59] <taplaptap> i tried youtube with html5 and it failed .. said "cannot play encrypted stream"
[10:00] <taplaptap> relentless googling and attempts, always the samething.. even with the updated browser 'web' ..
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[10:05] <TheNumb> taplaptap: youtube-dl + mpv
[10:08] <taplaptap> i will just liveboot ubuntu on the main box for her, she just wnats to be able to browse youtube videos
[10:09] <taplaptap> i don't know why i didn't think of that earlier .. livecd
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[10:38] <Whoopie> Hi, I own a self-powered usb hub called LogiLink UA0124, but the hub is recognized. Any advice? It's recognized on my ubuntu laptop. Could it be related to the backfeeding?
[10:40] <ShorTie> 'self-powered usb hub' no use for a pi
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[10:41] <Sonny_Jim> How do you know that the hub is recognised?
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[10:43] <ShorTie> oops, sorry, was thinking it pulled power from the pi
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[10:48] <Whoopie> Sonny_Jim: on the ubuntu laptop, it shows up with lsusb and dmesg
[10:48] <Whoopie> Sonny_Jim: on the pi, it's not.
[10:51] <ShorTie> might be that the chip set is to new and not in the pi's kernel then
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[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> It would still show up in lsusb
[10:58] <Sonny_Jim> The manufacturer/model might not be in there, but the device ID would still show
[10:59] <Sonny_Jim> Bear in mind that laptop USB port can provide more power than what the Pi can
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[11:01] <ShorTie> it comes with a 3.5 amp supply
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[11:06] <ShorTie> actually, it doesn't say linux
[11:06] <ShorTie> Supports Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP/2003/Vista/7, and Mac OS 10.4.x or above
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[11:12] <gregor3005> hi, i test a rpi for the fire brigade in my town. therefore i need the rpi only to display a webpage. which window manager is the best for this to save resources? debian with awesome-wm?
[11:13] <ShorTie> the 1 on the desktop, it has been optimized just for the pi
[11:14] <ShorTie> thats if your using raspbian that is
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[11:20] <Tachyon`> you don't need any window manager
[11:20] <Tachyon`> just use the console
[11:21] <Tachyon`> oh, display a page, not serve one
[11:21] <Tachyon`> okay, you do need a window manager, probably
[11:21] <Tachyon`> fvwm is very low resource if it still exists
[11:21] <Tachyon`> it's what I used in 1997 or so
[11:21] <Tachyon`> on a 4MB 486
[11:21] <Tachyon`> as that's all I could spare for linux at the time
[11:21] <gregor3005> ShorTie: ok, my idea was to switch to one i know ;-)
[11:22] <Whoopie> ShorTie: linux is never mentioned, right? ;-)
[11:22] <Tachyon`> I don't think the wm is optimised for pi at all really
[11:22] <ShorTie> you talking os or wm ??
[11:22] <Whoopie> Sonny_Jim: not even the device id is shown.
[11:23] <ShorTie> raspbian is debian that has special sauce for the pi
[11:23] <Tachyon`> I was talking wm, as was the questioning person
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[11:23] <ShorTie> raspbian uses lxde for it's desktop
[11:24] <gregor3005> yes that was the question
[11:25] <ShorTie> cornfused on the ?? now, lol.
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[11:28] <gregor3005> ShorTie: is flash still not possible on the rpi? i can remember that it was very slow when i tested it + very hard to install
[11:29] <ShorTie> not really sure how well flash works on the pi
[11:29] <ShorTie> don't forget, the pi is no super computer
[11:30] <gregor3005> ShorTie: yes but its close to it (for me) is use it very often as mini-server
[11:32] <Sonny_Jim> My understanding was that Flash doesn't work on the Pi
[11:32] <Sonny_Jim> A google search will turn up a more definitive answer
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[11:33] <ShorTie> mini-server and flash, 2 different things
[11:33] <gregor3005> Sonny_Jim: the good news are. youtube use a html5 player + netflix too. but i never tested netflix because it is available since 2 month in my country
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[11:36] <ShorTie> oh, so your l@@kin for a movie player
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[11:39] <gregor3005> ShorTie:no. it was only for Sonny_Jim. as movie player i have since years a pc connected to my tv. so i can do everything. eg. yesterday i bought a xbox controller because i bought "mark of the ninja" but thats offtopic :-)
[11:39] <ShorTie> here, read this maybe, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=81978
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[11:44] <ShorTie> i take it as flash does not work and most likely never ever will, but that is just mho
[11:44] <ShorTie> of it
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[11:45] <gregor3005> ShorTie: thx, good news. the infoscreen for the fire brigade is nearly finished, (startup with fullscreen browser about the current and old missions (i don't know how it is called in english) and vnc support) open topics: automatically print map for the mission on keypress + switches on the garage door to automatically switch the rpi on
[11:45] <gregor3005> i must say i love the gpio ports on the rpi :-)
[11:47] <ShorTie> yup, that is 1 thing the pi has over a pc
[11:49] <gregor3005> ShorTie: last time i build a test alarmsystem with switches, opto-couple, and a relay to power up/dowm some lights :-D
[11:50] <ShorTie> Cool
[11:51] <gregor3005> ShorTie: lol i finished the job faster than the case is printed on my reprap, i should speed up my reprap :-D
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[11:52] <gregor3005> ShorTie: a important question about the hardware. do you know the minimal and maximal room temperature for the rpi and the humidity?
[11:53] <ShorTie> i'd say the room should not get over 85c and most likely not be raining in it
[11:54] <gregor3005> ShorTie: :-)
[11:55] <ShorTie> if you got it in an enclosed case, most likely that would keep condensation from happening on it
[11:56] <ShorTie> but that would come from a cold room. not hot .. :)~
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[12:03] <gregor3005> ShorTie: hm, starting midori on autostart is different when i start it from the desktop. i have some problems with stored cookies. i have whitelisted the host but it doesn't us the right cookies. its about a webpage where i have to enable the browser. i should read more about midori
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[12:06] <gregor3005> ShorTie: solved. i shouldn't start the url as app
[12:08] <ShorTie> can you just drag the web page to the desktop for a icon
[12:09] <ShorTie> then maybe auto start the icon
[12:09] <gregor3005> ShorTie: it will be a mouse-keyboardless infoscreen
[12:10] <gregor3005> ShorTie: i did it with: ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart ->@midori -e Fullscreen <url>
[12:10] <ShorTie> ya, well you would only need a mouse to make the icon
[12:11] <ShorTie> got me on all that, just trying to come up with idea's is all .. :/~
[12:11] <gregor3005> :-)
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> hid3, ping?
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[12:51] <Sonny_Jim> PONG
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[13:03] <hid3> pong
[13:03] <hid3> connection reset by beer
[13:03] * ShorTie snickers
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> hid3, ah, hi - just saw your button input thing.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> but I guess you're sorted now. no resistors needed :)
[13:04] <hid3> yeah, so one Q here... It seems that all I need is to route any GPIO pin to GND, right? Won't that cause problems when Pi is (re)booting, etc? I mean, when the python code is not launched and not monitoring/controlling that particular GPIO pin?
[13:05] <hid3> I mean, won't that "GPIO pin shorted to GND" at the moments where python script is inactive cause any issues?
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> 0v/Gnd or 3.3v - the choice is yours.
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> mostly, all pins are input mode at boot-time.
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> inputs don't care if they're connected to 0v or 3.3v.
[13:06] <hid3> as far as i understand, using +3.3 and hardware resistors eliminates software and works "all the time"
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> use either gpio -> button -> 3.3v with the internal pull-down resistor, or gpop -> button -> 0v with the internal pull-up resistor set.
[13:06] <hid3> oh, so I should pick a pin which is input at boottime for "safer" results, right?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> sure - also the 2 I2C pins already have on-board pull-ups, so connect them to 0v via a button for 2 easy input buttons.
[13:07] <hid3> Great....
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> simple button example here using the I2C pins: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/3-more-leds-and-a-button/
[13:07] <hid3> Now the most difficult part left - routing 2 small wires from my house alarm module to the RPi which is 6 meters away :(
[13:07] <hid3> hate that...
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> use cat-5 cabling.
[13:09] <hid3> Yes, indeed, but this will be physically difficult - concrete walls and static ceiling (not sure how's that term in English correctly is)
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[13:10] <hid3> from `gpio readall`:
[13:10] <hid3> | 12 | 10 | 19 | MOSI | OUT | High |
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[13:11] <hid3> seems that GPIO10 is the only one in Output mode at boot
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> you possibly have the SPI kernel module loaded at boot time.
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[13:12] <hid3> # cat /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf | grep -i spi
[13:12] <hid3> # blacklist spi and i2c by default (many users don't need them)
[13:12] <hid3> blacklist spi-bcm2708
[13:12] <hid3> blacklisted :)
[13:12] <hid3> nevermind, I have quite a few spare GPIO pins available...
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[13:16] <hid3> The 25th pin is GND, and the 26th is GPIO pin. I think it's most comfortable to use those two. Won't cause ugly look of my ribbon cable :)
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[13:18] <ShorTie> what is a 'brw-rw---T' in a ls -l ??
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> b is block device.
[13:19] <ShorTie> oh, ok
[13:19] <ShorTie> Thankz .. :)~
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> rw-rw---- are the permissions (owner, rw, group, rw others nothing)
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> not sure what the T is in this instance.
[13:20] * gordonDrogon ponders.
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[13:21] * ShorTie thinkz, some funky thing that only a ShorTie could come up with
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> it's traditionally the 'sticky bit'. i think it's menaing here that it might have been created dynamically by udev, but not sure.
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> back later. stuff to do!
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> like clean out the chickens )-:
[13:28] <ShorTie> sounds like a poopy job .. :/~
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[13:38] <hid3> gordonDrogon: I've investigated and it turns out that GPIO10 (hardware pin 19) is being used by my 8-relay board, that's why it's set to OUT
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> best not use it as a button then :)
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[14:19] <gregor3005> hi, anybody familiar with midori? i have a problem asked in #midori maybe somebody can help from here?
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[14:20] <whatlad> hi guys
[14:20] <whatlad> and girls
[14:20] <whatlad> does anyone know how to enable faillog on raspbian? or if there's another method to monitor failed login attempts?
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[14:21] <whatlad> the internet doesn't really say much about it
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> normally stuff like that is sent to /var/log/auth.log
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> look up any debian (wheezy) security stuff - it'll be identical to raspbian.
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[14:25] <whatlad> i been looking, its confusing. just found a good site actually, seems to give a bit more info
[14:25] <whatlad> augh.log is for any auth attempt as i understand
[14:25] <whatlad> faillog is for just failures but
[14:25] <whatlad> it doesn't work out of the box
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[14:26] <whatlad> to do with pam_tally.so
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[14:26] <whatlad> what's magic root mean and what does "onerr=fail silent" mean
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[14:29] <whatlad> ok i'll figure that one out on my own
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[14:30] <whatlad> but i still have my latency problem from last time
[14:30] <whatlad> that no one could solve
[14:30] <whatlad> intermittent periods of lag, where all packets are dropped whenever the ssh connection is idle for a few seconds
[14:31] <whatlad> using ethernet
[14:31] <whatlad> anyone fancy sinking their teeth into that one? its a mindboggler
[14:31] <whatlad> you'd win network admin of the year award x5
[14:32] <whatlad> all previous network admins have walked away baffled
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[14:32] <ShorTie> sure it's not some kinda of power saving issue ??
[14:33] <whatlad> how would i be able to tell
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[14:33] <whatlad> after thorough investigation last time, i believe it may be something to do with the router delaying packets that are too small until it has enough
[14:34] <whatlad> but even then, its behaviour is inconsistent and sometimes it doesn't delay at all
[14:34] <ShorTie> although i guess possible, find that hard to believe
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[14:34] <whatlad> anything i can eliminate is cool i just wanna get to the bottom of it
[14:35] <whatlad> i've reproduced it from several ssh clients (to the ssh server pi)
[14:35] <whatlad> ive swapped ethernet cables around
[14:35] <whatlad> the pi to router is ethernet
[14:35] <whatlad> but i get this delay regardless of the client
[14:37] <whatlad> like i'll be using it fine
[14:37] <whatlad> then say i go idle for like 10 sec
[14:37] <whatlad> then go back to it, then its delayed and none of my inputs appear on screen
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[14:38] <whatlad> it can be delayed for like 1 sec, or somtimes like 50 secs
[14:38] <whatlad> which begins to put a drain on workflow
[14:38] <whatlad> during this delay period, any ping to it will drop all packets
[14:38] <whatlad> soon as it responds again it becomes 100% responsive
[14:38] <whatlad> but may die again if left idle for a moment
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[14:41] <whatlad> my search for the greatest network admin alive continues...
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[14:48] <abnormal> well.. don't give up... I am proud you are setting your goal to be the best...
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[14:54] <gordonDrogon> you need to eliminate the router - use a 2nd PC on the same LAN as the Pi to SSH to it from.
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> oh, he's gorne. ah well.
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[18:11] * Encrypt does want a new upgraded Raspberry Pi
[18:11] <Encrypt> A Raspberry Pi B++ :]
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[18:12] <scoofy> write to Santa
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[18:12] <Encrypt> Too late :(
[18:12] <scoofy> for next year? not really
[18:12] <scoofy> he'll still get it
[18:12] <Encrypt> scoofy, I'd better write to Liz and Eben :]
[18:14] <scoofy> who are they
[18:14] <ShorTie> they need sumfin, they have rehashed the same thing what like 5-6 times
[18:15] <ShorTie> there is a nice pi killer out now
[18:15] <scoofy> ?
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[18:16] * ShorTie thinkz, sorry about all i will say about it here
[18:17] <scoofy> oh.
[18:17] <scoofy> i chose a pi
[18:18] <scoofy> better OS + user support
[18:18] <scoofy> though powerful indeed
[18:18] <scoofy> i prefer debian over ubuntu
[18:19] <ShorTie> ??
[18:19] <ShorTie> ubuntu is just debian with a twist
[18:19] <scoofy> yes
[18:19] <ShorTie> just like raspbian
[18:19] <scoofy> this is exactly why i prefer debian
[18:19] <scoofy> i do not want twists
[18:20] <scoofy> ok, maybe i just don't like the word 'ubuntu', sounds too african
[18:20] <scoofy> [but maybe that's racist]
[18:20] <ShorTie> ChubbyChecker gonna get mad at ya
[18:20] <Encrypt> ShorTie, I know :p
[18:20] <Encrypt> But the support isn't that good apparently
[18:20] <Encrypt> I'm really considering buying one however
[18:21] <Encrypt> To add even more services to my server
[18:21] <scoofy> worth its price definitely, at least looks like
[18:24] <supay_afk> LOL
[18:24] <supay_afk> "don't like the word 'ubuntu', sounds too african"
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> ubuntu... old african word meaning "I can't install debian" ...
[18:26] <hid3> actually 'I can't configure Debian'
[18:27] <scoofy> so, a good OS for my girlfriend or my grandma
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[18:28] <gordonDrogon> looks like the foundation have updated the standard lxde templates too.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: I use Debian stable on my desktop PC. Have done for the past 18+ years or so.
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[18:32] <ShorTie> ubuntu is just debian+gnome i thought
[18:32] <Encrypt> ShorTie, debian + unity ;)
[18:32] <ShorTie> kunbuntu is debian+kde
[18:32] <hid3> Debian is getting ubuntuish last days
[18:32] <hid3> like constatnt releases every 2 years or so
[18:33] <hid3> previously the new stable release came out 'when it was ready'
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> its a popularity contest.
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[18:33] <gordonDrogon> yet - they could have officially had 4 million more users by now if they'd embraced the Pi.
[18:34] <scoofy> 'stable' is basically all the stuff that has been in the unstable and testing repos for 1-2 years already
[18:34] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, Ubuntu was debian with their own set of default packages, but it has diverged enough from debian to be something quite different.
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[18:35] <ShorTie> oh
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[18:35] <scoofy> with all their 'facebook desktop integration' and all their weird stuff
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[18:35] <ShorTie> other then the pi, i've spent most of my linux life in Gentoo
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> I'm probaby just old...
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> I used fvwm for about 20 years then moved to xfce4 when it went all weird (thanks to Debian)
[18:36] <shiftplusone> 'probably' >.>
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> I did try gnome3 for a while and wifey still uses it, but its not without its faults.
[18:37] <scoofy> bit resource intensive
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[18:37] <scoofy> (though i liked gnome2 back then)
[18:37] <shiftplusone> I think I gave it a fair shot as well, but.... just no.
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> it kept on running out of ram (4GB)
[18:37] <scoofy> lol
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> then crashing, then occasionally needing me to reboot my desktop.
[18:37] <scoofy> crunchbang linux by default uses like... 100MB of RAM
[18:37] <shiftplusone> Crashing and difficult to customize
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> wifey seems OK with it but she shuts down her PC most nights.
[18:38] <shiftplusone> Basing desktop UIs on web technology just doesn't seem right
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> since going back to xfce my PCs not crashed.
[18:38] <scoofy> and basin them on touchscreen interfaces
[18:38] <scoofy> +g
[18:38] <shiftplusone> Keep JavaScript away from my applications, please.
[18:38] <ShorTie> very true shiftplusone
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> just keep everything away - there's less to go wrong then :)
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> I have servers with 1000+ day uptimes.
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> udsr:~$ uptime
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> 17:39:20 up 1267 days, 19:48, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[18:39] <shiftplusone> And then I saw screenshots of what Gedit will look like and a talk by a Gnome guy talking about their roadmap and decided I want none of that.
[18:39] <hid3> long uptime = good
[18:39] <scoofy> basically a good debian will run until some hardware fails.
[18:39] <scoofy> and it falls apart
[18:39] <scoofy> (as a server)
[18:39] <hid3> it's like having a long dick - very few have those :)
[18:39] <shiftplusone> They're following the whole "let's remove all the buttons that people use!" philosophy
[18:40] <scoofy> shiftplusone, and "let's remove all the configuration options! who needs those anyways"
[18:40] * ShorTie snickers
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I currently have a server I'll be retiring in the next few days with 2 out of 3 disks failed )-:
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[18:40] <scoofy> it's often the HDD that fails first...
[18:40] <hid3> gordonDrogon: how did the disks actually fail? What kind of disks were those?
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> fortunately it's in a RAID-6 configuration, and yes, I have backups ..
[18:40] <ShorTie> yup.
[18:40] <supay_afk> hid3: i think you're mistaken there.. there are around 925million african-americans in the world.
[18:40] <supay_afk> or just africans
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> hid3, really not sure - the server can't see them any more.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> hid3, they're WDC 320GB drives. 8 years old now.
[18:41] <hid3> supay_afk: speaking about Europe. Let's heave those african-longmericans alone for now :)
[18:41] <scoofy> eh. 8 years in a server... that's a long service
[18:41] <hid3> well, SATA/IDE or SCSI?
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> early SATA.
[18:42] <shiftplusone> You know what you get when you remove the buttons and configuration options from gedit? Notepad =/ https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit/Screenshots?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=gedit-tabbed-view-screenshot.png
[18:42] <hid3> not so long. I still have HP NetServer E60 (dual P3 @700 Mhz) as my home server
[18:42] <supay_afk> i here there are a lot of black people in spain
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> the case fan failed 6 months ago, so it's possibly that's a contributing factor.
[18:42] <hid3> no
[18:42] <ShorTie> ya
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> vi/vim still works for me :)
[18:43] <hid3> google made a research which revealed that higher hdd temperatures do not affect hdd life, it's actually the opposite
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> yes, I remember that study.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> but that's running the disks at the top-end of their specified range IIRC - not over it.
[18:43] <scoofy> shiftplusone... meh... that's worse than notepad!
[18:43] <ShorTie> then lets go shut off Google's ac units
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> the down side is that these drives have faulty firmware that over-reads the true temperature. WDC never fixed it.
[18:44] <hid3> lol
[18:44] <hid3> Large capacity Maxtors (over 200 GB) used to die within first 6 months (bad sectors)
[18:44] <scoofy> gordonDrogon, 18:44 [sirc] -!- Server Up 2687 days, 18:12:35
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> that's a good one.
[18:46] <scoofy> yea :P as said, a good debian server runs until some hardware fails and falls apart
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> hid3, I had a bunch of 80GB maxtors (IDE) that all failled in 18 months. Then there were the hitachi deathstars ...
[18:46] <scoofy> 'HDD sudden death syndrome'
[18:47] <hid3> hey
[18:47] <hid3> wait wait wait
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> I had another server with 3 WDCs and 3 seagates... the 3 WDCs failed within 18 hours of each other. That was a bad one - I caught the first 2 failures, feld good that it was all on RAID-6, so still running then the 3rd went )-:
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> scoofy, don't power cycle it - the nvram battery is probably dead by now...
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[18:48] <hid3> my hitachi ide (60 gb) has got ~83000 "power-on hours'
[18:49] <hid3> removed from the NetServer E60
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[19:00] <hid3> Anyone dealt with DSC alarm system + RPi?
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[19:08] <martk100> I am sure this has been asked many times before. Is flash player available for raspi i, n any form?
[19:08] <ShorTie> No
[19:10] <martk100> :ShorTie Then to watch BBC iplayer i would have to use xbmc or similar?
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[19:11] <ShorTie> got me
[19:12] <martk100> ShorTie : Thanks
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[19:22] <JZA> Hi
[19:23] <JZA> I wonder if rpi is hdmi only
[19:23] <JZA> I saw a composite output
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> JZA, no need to wonder - there's lots online about it.
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[19:23] <mikroskeem> JZA: it isn't hdmi only
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> but yes, it has composite as well as hdmi.
[19:24] <JZA> Can I put an old crt monitor
[19:24] <JZA> Ok cool
[19:24] <mikroskeem> JZA: does it have composite or hdmi?
[19:24] <mikroskeem> the old crt monitor
[19:24] <mikroskeem> ?
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> most monitors I used didn't have composite input - except the high-end ones (for the time) which had component video (ie. RGB + sync)
[19:44] <Twist-> regarding flash players.. I've seen some mention of Gnash being used on the Pi. Is that just a dumed effort due to CPU limits?
[19:44] <Twist-> er
[19:44] <Twist-> doomed. what the..
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[20:17] <StanAccy> can javafx be configured to use a TFT display on the Pi instead of the HDMI output?
[20:18] <StanAccy> everything Ive seen seems to indicate that the 8u6 build of JavaFX is hardcoded to use output 0 (and not via framebuffer - a direct access approach) so setting FRAMEBUFFER like you can for 'X' doesnt hve any impct
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[22:43] <daedeloth> hi
[22:44] <ApolloJustice> sup
[22:44] <daedeloth> I need to design a pcb but I have no clue how to start
[22:44] <daedeloth> so I was wondering if someone could push me in the right direction :)
[22:45] <daedeloth> it's a very simple board, 3 leds, resistors for those leds and a big metal contact plate button thing
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[22:45] <daedeloth> (actually I'm not sure if I should add a buffer as well, or power the leds straight from the gpio's)
[22:46] <Twist-> daedeloth: pick a PCB design app, and run through some tutorials for it.
[22:46] <daedeloth> which one do would you suggest?
[22:46] <Twist-> daedeloth: KiCAD and Eagle seem to be the most popular in the hobby community. I'm sure there are others.
[22:47] <Aldem> ExpressPCB is the easiest one I can think of
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[22:47] <ebarch> eagle was where i started
[22:47] <Aldem> Me OrCAD
[22:47] <Twist-> daedeloth: Do you have a philosophical stance on software licensing?
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[22:48] <daedeloth> kindof, but not fanatically :D
[22:50] <Twist-> I'm working though some KiCAD tutorials this week myself
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[22:54] <daedeloth> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6IoBbaH23Pg/VKB7yw1Gi-I/AAAAAAAACwM/oFDRsJu5nd4/w971-h720-no/IMG_20141228_225203.jpg
[22:54] <daedeloth> this is what I need to design :)
[22:54] <daedeloth> I'm also not sure about coating
[22:54] <daedeloth> the big circle thingy needs to be exposed
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> daedeloth, Fritzing is easy to get to grips with.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> getting the pcb made is a separate issue - however fritzing can do that for you too - at a cost.
[22:56] <niston> Fritzing?
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> http://fritzing.org/home/
[22:56] <daedeloth> you mean they have a print service? I was looking at a dutch company that could do it for �8 a piece for prototypes, so that sounded quite fair
[22:56] <niston> ah :)
[22:57] <daedeloth> I need 80 of them by march though, so I'm getting a bit worried :D
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> �8 a pcb for prototyping is very good.
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> I paid a UK company about �90 for a panel which held 8 small Pi PCBs.
[22:57] <daedeloth> oh, cool
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> then another company fo a production run of about 300 which came to about 80p a board.
[22:57] <daedeloth> was for 4 pieces though (I need sets of 4)
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> and I used Fritzing for it.
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/the-raspberry-ladder-board/
[22:59] <daedeloth> heh, that's about what I need :p
[22:59] <daedeloth> do you power the leds straight from the gpio pins?
[22:59] <niston> "repairing jewelry"
[22:59] <niston> hehe
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> Your board ought to be trivial - however, you could just buy a Pibrella board.
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> daedeloth, Yes - directly from the GPIO pins.
[22:59] <niston> first thing I did wif me new ERSA was work on some bracelet for my gf
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> pibrella has 3 LEDs (and more) and a big red button.
[22:59] <daedeloth> gordonDrogon, the thing is that it has to be the exact same size of the current board, it has to fit in the buttons :)
[23:00] <daedeloth> haha, yes, that IS exactly what I need :D
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok, you have an existing project.
[23:00] <daedeloth> no, not an existing project
[23:00] <Triffid_Hunter> daedeloth: directly from GPIO with current-limiting resistors of course.. fwiw 0603 SMD parts are a nice size if you need small things.. big enough to solder by hand, small enough to fit in tiny spaces
[23:01] <daedeloth> gordonDrogon, but the boards have to fit inside of these buttons :) http://www.playopolistoys.com/prod_images/Lights&SoundBuzzers.jpg
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[23:02] <SiC> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMli33ornEU
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> daedeloth, Pi too, or are you running wires? (that photo doesn't give scale of the buttons)
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[23:05] <daedeloth> no the pi is going to be seperate, wires running from each button (4 buttosn connected to one pi)
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[23:05] <daedeloth> enclosed in an aluminium case (which is going to be the most expensive part of the project)
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> daedeloth, ok. ought to be fairly trivial to knock up.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> looks like a "simon" type game with 4 buttons then...
[23:07] <daedeloth> well it's for trivia games, so 20 sets connected over wifi
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. quiz/answer buttons.
[23:07] <daedeloth> yep
[23:08] <niston> that's a nice idea
[23:08] <Triffid_Hunter> daedeloth: sounds like something that would be better off with arduino/xbee than a lot of RPis
[23:08] <Triffid_Hunter> unless everyone gets their own display too or something
[23:08] <daedeloth> gordonDrogon, scale: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4wy4Sl2djuQ/VKB_Pb2bLVI/AAAAAAAACx0/-u35BlMDswM/w534-h720-no/IMG_20141228_230624.jpg
[23:08] <daedeloth> Triffid_Hunter, it's the wifi I need
[23:08] <daedeloth> (also the arduino doesn't have enough gpio's :p)
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> daedeloth, ok.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> so you need 20 buttons into 1 Pi?
[23:09] <daedeloth> no, 4
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> or 20 sets of 4 buttons?
[23:09] <daedeloth> 20 sets of 4 buttons
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:09] <daedeloth> but I'd like to be able to control the 3 leds on each of them seperatly
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> that's easy enough.
[23:09] <daedeloth> so that's 3 out + 1 in times 4, so 16 gpios
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> standard B has 17, B+ more.
[23:10] <niston> use a CM for even more
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> expensive solution with the CM.
[23:10] <niston> true
[23:10] <daedeloth> well from what I understand the pi can handle it, right?
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[23:10] <daedeloth> with arduino I have no clue how to get it connected to the server / central computer
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> yea, the Pi advantage there is the Ethernet.
[23:11] <daedeloth> I'm still having some trouble with powering it though
[23:11] <niston> what kind of trouble?
[23:11] <daedeloth> ideally it would run of battery, but from what I read I shouldn't get my hopes up
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> are you using Wi-Fi or Ethernet?
[23:12] <daedeloth> was aiming for wifi
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[23:12] <daedeloth> to illiminate the need of running cables to all tables
[23:12] <daedeloth> on the other hand, if I'm running a power cable to every device, I might as well run an ethernet cable
[23:12] <niston> mod the Pis for PoE :))
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> Use one of the big USB battery charger packs. I have an Anker 15000mAh device - runs a Pi for 24 hours.
[23:13] <niston> since its just 100mbps, a mod for passive PoE will be dirt cheap
[23:13] <niston> (bunch of jumper wires will do)
[23:13] <daedeloth> �60 for the batteries is a bit steep for us :p
[23:13] <niston> use this dirt cheap adapter to feed power into unused ethernet wires: http://www.pcengines.ch/poe1a2.htm
[23:14] <daedeloth> oooh
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[23:14] <daedeloth> that way I can power the pi from ethernet cable?
[23:14] <niston> yessir
[23:15] <daedeloth> so I'd need 20 of those?
[23:15] <niston> for 20 pis? yes.
[23:15] <niston> might as well create a board for it, too
[23:15] <niston> hook it up to a PC power supply's 5V rail and there you go
[23:15] <Triffid_Hunter> you're gonna lose volts over the cable
[23:15] <niston> true
[23:16] <Triffid_Hunter> better to push 12v then buck to 5 at the end with an LM2596 or similar
[23:16] <niston> better solution, more expensive
[23:16] <niston> might try it w 5v first, maybe you can get away with it (depending on cable lenght)
[23:17] <Triffid_Hunter> last time I checked, the rpi got pretty sad if you lost even 0.5 volts or so, not much leeway there
[23:17] <daedeloth> hm but we're talking about just a few meters here
[23:17] <daedeloth> although should be scalable
[23:17] <niston> the 12v solution would be preferrable from a "design" viewpoint too
[23:18] <niston> 12v on the wire, and buck to convert down to 5V right at the Pi
[23:18] <daedeloth> what do I need for that?
[23:18] <Triffid_Hunter> then it doesn't matter if you lose a couple of volts :)
[23:18] <niston> yes
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[23:19] <niston> two things basically 1) a way to feed 12v to the ethernet wires unused wire pairs
[23:19] <Triffid_Hunter> daedeloth: punch LM2596 into ebay search, the modules go for about $15 for 10 last time I checked
[23:19] <niston> and 2) a way to get this voltage from the ethernet plug at the Pi to the power input of the Pi
[23:19] <daedeloth> aaah it goes over the unused pairs
[23:19] <daedeloth> now I understand :D
[23:19] <niston> yes
[23:19] <niston> its known as passive Power over Ethernet
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[23:19] <niston> if you look at that adapter, it has the "wiring scheme" printed on it
[23:20] <niston> it pair 4/5 is +V and pair 7/8 is GND
[23:20] <niston> I dont remember if that is the "Cisco standard"
[23:21] <daedeloth> yea I guess it's easy to put together myself
[23:21] <niston> and as Triffid_Hunter suggested, you then use a small power regulator to create stable 5V supply from those 12V on the unused pairs
[23:21] <daedeloth> print a board with 40 connections on it
[23:21] <niston> one tip: keep the ethernet data wires as short as possible
[23:22] <daedeloth> and those lm2596 chips turn anything close to 12v into stable 5v?
[23:22] <niston> http://www.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=lm2596&fileType=pdf
[23:23] <niston> this one will need an inductor
[23:23] <niston> as its a swtching converter
[23:23] <daedeloth> hm I really don't know anything about electronics... well, like, the very basics :p
[23:23] <daedeloth> but that would mean an extra board next to the raspberry pi, so I'm a bit unsure about that
[23:24] <niston> not necessarily
[23:24] <niston> if you create a board to go onto the GPIO
[23:24] <niston> you could add regulator there
[23:24] <niston> and backpower the Pi from 5V
[23:24] <niston> on GPIO
[23:24] <ShorTie> not on a B+ i believe
[23:25] <niston> backpowering?
[23:25] <ShorTie> yup.
[23:25] <niston> I think the question arose before and that I read somewhere that it's still possible.
[23:25] <niston> might double check on that though
[23:25] <daedeloth> I wasn't planning on creating a board that goes into the gpio
[23:25] <ShorTie> thought gordonDrogon said nop
[23:25] <daedeloth> I was just going to run a wire bus (is that what it's called?) that splits up to the buttons
[23:25] <ozzzy> nop is my favourite command
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> you can power a B or B+ via the GPIO connector OK.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> the B+ can't be back-powered via USB. (well it can't but not to power up)
[23:26] <niston> well
[23:26] <Triffid_Hunter> daedeloth: yeah the LM2596 module can turn basically anything from 8v to maybe 20v or so into a solid 5v @ 1A
[23:26] <niston> in any way you need to solder wires onto the Pi
[23:26] <ShorTie> oh, that what it was, sorry
[23:28] <daedeloth> well I can just solder a microusb connector to the "power board" :)
[23:28] <niston> ?
[23:29] <niston> hmm you could use one of these http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__4319__TURNIGY_3A_UBEC_w_Noise_Reduction.html
[23:29] <niston> on the Pi Side
[23:29] <niston> then it's just soldering 4 wires to the right places
[23:30] <ShorTie> ya, interesting idea
[23:30] <niston> and a little hot snot to fix the uBEC onto the Pi
[23:30] <niston> (it won't get hot enough for the hot snot to melt)
[23:31] <niston> hmm
[23:31] <niston> I still have one of those
[23:31] <niston> and a Pi
[23:31] <niston> :D
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[23:31] <ShorTie> those uBEC's are pretty cheap off ebay too...
[23:31] <niston> also a bunch of those PoE adapters
[23:33] * niston thinks one last quick project for 2014
[23:34] <daedeloth> what do those ubec's do exactly? I don't really understand :/
[23:34] <niston> its basically a buck converter
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> universal battery eliminator circuit.
[23:34] <niston> just like that LM chip
[23:35] <niston> lm2596
[23:35] <niston> but this one is a ready to use module
[23:35] <niston> its popular with RC hobbyists
[23:35] <niston> where they use it to power the receiver from the main batteries
[23:35] <niston> or some such
[23:35] <niston> hence why its called a battery eliminator in that scene
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> the lm2596 is good, but you need extra "stuff" to make it work.
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> sometimes all you want is a one-chip solution.
[23:35] <niston> because you wont need the extra battery for the receiver
[23:36] <niston> but really its just a switching converter that outputs nice 5V
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[23:36] <niston> and you can feed it from 5.5 to 25v
[23:36] <niston> err 23v
[23:37] <niston> also with 3A it has ample reserve to power a Pi
[23:38] <niston> lemme see if I can find that Pi
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[23:38] <daedeloth> ah that sr10s05 might be easier to connect up, don't need a board for that
[23:39] <daedeloth> oh, another question
[23:39] <daedeloth> I want to be able to attach a tablet to the buttons
[23:39] <daedeloth> for optional text inpu
[23:39] <daedeloth> *input
[23:40] <daedeloth> now first idea was to just use the arduino and use the tablets wifi
[23:40] <daedeloth> but I would like to be able to use the buttons without the tablet as well
[23:40] <niston> 1Amp
[23:40] <niston> that module
[23:40] <niston> has max 1A output current
[23:40] <daedeloth> ?
[23:40] <daedeloth> ah, yes, 1a
[23:41] <niston> not enough juice babe
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[23:41] <daedeloth> hm. bummer.
[23:41] <niston> LOL i just found the Pi
[23:41] <daedeloth> how much does the pi need?
[23:42] <niston> its been sitting on my desk right in front of me under the monitor
[23:42] <niston> :o
[23:42] <niston> 2 amp supply is highly recommended
[23:42] <daedeloth> ah, yea, I actually knew that
[23:42] <niston> especially if you want to connect stuff to the Pi
[23:42] <daedeloth> well I kindof like that poe solution
[23:43] <niston> if you can hold out
[23:43] <niston> imma make a tutorial
[23:43] <niston> since I have all the necessary parts here
[23:43] <daedeloth> yea, sure
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[23:49] <niston> mine is a Mod B Pi though
[23:49] <niston> connecting the power input will be different from B+
[23:49] <niston> I guess
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[23:52] <daedeloth> I'm not sure what I have here
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[23:54] <daedeloth> what's the difference between A and B these days?
[23:55] <daedeloth> A+ and B+ I mean
[23:55] <daedeloth> A+ looks more than good enough for what I want to do...
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[23:59] <niston> TP1/TP2 are the same for all the versions?
[23:59] <ShorTie> don't think B+ has those

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