#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-12-30

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[1:58] <DrMon> I've got a problem that I think can be solved through a rasperry pi. Basically, I want it to read an IRDa stream and poll a network address for info, then serve this up on a small HTTP or FTP server.
[1:58] <DrMon> I'm wondering - is this a 256 or 512mb ram problem, though, heh
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[1:59] <DrMon> power use is also a small concern, but I'm thinking the A/B model use about the same power, right?
[2:00] <abnormal> no
[2:00] <abnormal> Model A uses lot less power than the Model B.
[2:01] <ozzzy> I measured my B at ~700-720mA with a wifi nub plugged in
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[2:01] <DrMon> so about 2.5W
[2:02] <DrMon> 3.5*
[2:02] <DrMon> was this with HDMI plugged in?
[2:02] <ozzzy> no video, no audio
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[2:03] <dob1> hi, i run rpi-update but it is stopped at "Updating kernel modules"...
[2:03] <dob1> any advice?
[2:04] <abnormal> in terminal?
[2:04] <dob1> i did it via ssh
[2:04] <dob1> but i can't login via console too
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[2:06] <abnormal> ahhh... well you need to use a real computer to do a NOOBS down load and put it on a SD card.
[2:07] <dob1> it boots after a reset
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[2:07] <abnormal> ok, can you get in terminal after it boots?
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[2:08] <DrMon> Hmm, 3.5W over a whole year is like $7 lol. Funny to think of it that way
[2:09] <dob1> abnormal, seems ok but i don't know if i created some problems, it was updating kernel modules when it hang
[2:10] <abnormal> yes, I know, you need to get in terminal and key in this line ===> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[2:11] <dob1> abnormal, i know this but i was doing rpi-update, as i know this command is to update ther firmware
[2:12] * Loshki is now known as DearAbby
[2:12] <abnormal> ok then what you are doing is beyond me... sorry....
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[2:12] <dob1> abnormal, no problem
[2:13] <dob1> abnormal, i am not an expert, just trying some documentation that i read
[2:14] <abnormal> ok, I am limited to mostly Raspbian OS so all others are beyond me as I have no experience in the others.
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[2:16] <dob1> abnormal, what i read is this http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/4363
[2:16] <abnormal> reading....
[2:16] <SirLagz> DrMon: if you want any sort of network connectivity, Go for the B. it'll be a bit easier, especially if it's only ethernet that you need
[2:17] <SirLagz> dob1: why are you running rpi-update ? Do you need some bleeding edge kernel or something ?
[2:17] <dob1> SirLagz, from what i read from the link
[2:19] <SirLagz> rpi-update is not normally needed nowadays, unless you're testing new features, or they've recently fixed an issue that you're experiencing
[2:19] * DearAbby is now known as Loshki
[2:19] <abnormal> dob1, ok, that's new to me... thank you... now I know why there's more than one partition on every one of my SD cards!
[2:19] <SirLagz> if neither of those two apply, then you don't really need to run rpi-update
[2:20] <Jckf> I'm having problems with the B+ freezing when USB storage is hooked up to it. Any ideas what it might be? I don't have a display hooked up, so hard to tell from just looking at it.
[2:20] <dob1> SirLagz, so now i have an "unstable" rpi?
[2:20] <SirLagz> Jckf: plug the USB storage in, and *Then* power it on
[2:20] <SirLagz> dob1: you have an "unstable" kernel and firmware, assuming that it installed correctly
[2:21] <dob1> SirLagz, ok, how can i go back?
[2:21] <SirLagz> dob1: I'd just reflash Raspbian onto the SD Card
[2:21] <dob1> SirLagz, really ? :)
[2:22] <SirLagz> dob1: yep
[2:22] <Jckf> SirLagz: That's what I'm doing.
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[2:22] <SirLagz> Jckf: Plug a screen in then
[2:22] <Jckf> Send me one =/
[2:22] <dob1> SirLagz, ok thanks
[2:23] <SirLagz> Jckf: you don't have a TV ?
[2:23] <Jckf> Sure I do, but I'm not at home ;p
[2:23] <SirLagz> ah
[2:23] <SirLagz> take it home ? :P
[2:24] <Jckf> 2 hour drive
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[2:24] <SirLagz> Jckf: do you have a monitor with DVI and a HDMI->DVI cable ?
[2:24] <Jckf> Just wanted to hear if it could be something typical
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[2:25] <Jckf> No, I'm only using a laptop here
[2:25] <SirLagz> Jckf: be hard to diagnose without seeing some sort of output...
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[2:28] <DrMon> Anyone have a Pi A+ ?
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[2:31] <abnormal> Jckf, ssh the pi to the laptop and you can see it on laptop screen.
[2:32] <abnormal> PING niston
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[2:32] <Jckf> abnormal: ...
[2:32] <abnormal> niston, PING
[2:32] <Jckf> abnormal: The SSH daemon stops when the Pi freezes. NOTHING happens over SSH then.
[2:33] <abnormal> ok just a min... trying to get niston 's attention to help you...
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[2:33] <Jckf> No worries. It can wait.
[2:34] <SirLagz> Jckf: do the lights still blink when it's frozen ? any sort of visible activity ?
[2:34] <SirLagz> Jckf: and do you have a multimeter ?
[2:34] <abnormal> Jckf, are you near any place you could steal a monitor?
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[2:35] <Jckf> No activity, yes at home, no
[2:35] <abnormal> Jckf, are at a hotel?
[2:35] <Jckf> In-laws'
[2:36] <abnormal> do they have a spare monitor?
[2:36] <SirLagz> Jckf: you didn't bring many diagnostic tools with you :P
[2:36] <Jckf> It's a farm. They have sheep =P
[2:36] <SirLagz> haha
[2:36] <abnormal> lol
[2:36] <SirLagz> Jckf: does it boot without the USB storage plugged in ?
[2:37] <abnormal> then you will have to wait til you get home, then...
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[2:37] <Jckf> Yes. It boots both with and without. But at some point it feezes when it's plugged in
[2:37] <SirLagz> Jckf: ah
[2:37] <SirLagz> Jckf: is this a USB flash drive or usb hard drive ?
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[2:38] <abnormal> probably a PSU issue.
[2:38] <Jckf> It's a harddrive enclosure with an SSD in it, although it also happens with a harddrive instead of the SSD.
[2:38] <abnormal> that will do it.
[2:38] <SirLagz> Jckf: yeah I'd guess a power issue...are you using a powered Hub ?
[2:38] <abnormal> you need a POWERED USB hub.
[2:39] <Jckf> I thought the B+ had solved the power issues
[2:39] <abnormal> no, never
[2:39] <SirLagz> Jckf: solved *some* of the power issues
[2:40] <SirLagz> Jckf: but there's still only so much power you can pull through the Pi before it becomes unstable
[2:40] <abnormal> if the PSU is only 1A then no.
[2:40] <Jckf> I'm using a 2 Amp supply, and the power LED never blinks to indicate low voltage
[2:40] <ShorTie> you need the usb power hack
[2:40] <SirLagz> Jckf: doesn't mean everything is getting enough power though.
[2:40] <Jckf> And it doesn't happen when loading the USB storage. Last time it happened while dd-ing on the SD card.
[2:40] <abnormal> never know, nothing tells the truth.
[2:40] <SirLagz> I'm not too familiar with the B+, but if it still has the fuse on the MicroUSB input, then that will limit power input into the Pi
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[2:41] <Jckf> ShorTie: "Hack"? You mean setting the max apt thing in config.txt? I've done that.
[2:41] <Jckf> *max amp
[2:41] <ShorTie> oh, ok, both ??
[2:41] <Jckf> Only the new one
[2:41] * argakiig is now known as argakiig_lost
[2:41] <Jckf> SirLagz: Yes it has a fuse
[2:41] <SirLagz> Jckf: are you powering the Pi through the MicroUSB ?
[2:41] <Jckf> Yes
[2:42] <abnormal> ahhh
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[2:42] <ShorTie> that may only work with the newest firmware
[2:42] <SirLagz> Jckf: if you had the parts handy, I'd power it through the GPIO header
[2:42] <ShorTie> i do both, for yucks
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[2:43] <ShorTie> the next thing would be the quality of your micro-usb cable
[2:43] <abnormal> yes
[2:43] <ShorTie> might try rpi-update 1st
[2:43] <Jckf> It's a Sumsung charger, and the firmware is the latest
[2:44] <ShorTie> and it's 2 amps ??
[2:44] <Jckf> Yup
[2:44] <abnormal> voltage?
[2:44] <SirLagz> Jckf: I hope you meant Samsung :P
[2:44] <Jckf> Oops, SirLagz =p
[2:45] <abnormal> lol
[2:45] <SirLagz> I'd be concerned if you were using a Sumsung charger.
[2:45] <abnormal> Sumsung... lol
[2:45] <ShorTie> then i would l@@k to the quality of your micro-usb cable, if it is a cheepie phone charger 1, then that is your problem most likely
[2:45] <Jckf> "Made in China"
[2:45] <abnormal> of course
[2:46] <Jckf> ShorTie: The cable is the original one for the charger
[2:46] <abnormal> what isn't made in China?
[2:46] <ShorTie> is the cable real thin ??
[2:46] <SirLagz> Jckf: doesn't mean it's any good though
[2:46] <Jckf> It was a joke about "Sumsung". But I guess the real one is China made too
[2:46] <ShorTie> bingo, cheapy 1, got any wire sizes on it
[2:47] <ShorTie> you can drop a couple 10th of a volt across it easily
[2:47] <abnormal> usually not, they hide that info...
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[2:47] <ShorTie> not on good 1's
[2:48] <SirLagz> oh wow. Gert made a VGA adapter for the B+
[2:48] <sla_erick> Hi everyone, I'm having trouble trying to record sound with the built in mic in the Logitech C920. I have the C920 connected through a 7-usb hub and the pi detects the card. But when I use arecord nothing gets recorded
[2:48] <Jckf> Yeah, I've seen a few chargers deliver 5.1v instead of 5v to compensate for loss in cables
[2:50] <ShorTie> on a B+ the test points are on the bottom i believe, if you got a meter
[2:53] <abnormal> ShorTie, he's not at home and has no access to anything to do diagnosis to the pi.
[2:54] <Jckf> I'll have a look at it when I get back home. Good night =)
[2:54] <ShorTie> bummer
[2:54] <ShorTie> Good Night
[2:54] <abnormal> nite ShorTie
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[2:55] <ShorTie> that was to Jckf
[2:56] <abnormal> yes, I see that, lol
[2:57] <abnormal> mind sends to fingers before the eyes cud send "halt" msg.....
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[2:58] <ShorTie> a phone is only charging a 3.7v battery, so if it loses a 1/2 volt across the cable, no biggy
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[2:58] <steve_rox> havein fun?
[2:58] <ShorTie> so they use the cheapest/smallest wire they can to save a few cents
[2:58] <abnormal> yup...
[2:59] <abnormal> yeah, we having fun...
[2:59] <sla_erick> anyone knows a GUI to test the usb mic?
[2:59] <steve_rox> i need some kinda erm connector cable for data link to gpio pins which socket can be accessable outside case
[2:59] <steve_rox> iam unable to think of a type apart from a hacked up molex
[3:00] <SirLagz> steve_rox: floppy drive cable ?
[3:00] <steve_rox> do you mean the ide or power
[3:00] <ShorTie> old floppy or hdd canle, depending on modle of pi
[3:00] <steve_rox> cos i need like 3-4 pins as most
[3:00] <SirLagz> steve_rox: IDE
[3:00] <steve_rox> way too many pins
[3:00] <SirLagz> just grab some jumper cables then ?
[3:00] <ShorTie> don't use a 80 conductor hdd cable though
[3:00] <SirLagz> or old USB header cables
[3:00] <steve_rox> wanted a fast sweet simple way to connect up the temp sensor
[3:01] <steve_rox> without haveing to take lid off
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[3:01] * keiko_elsewhere is now known as keiko
[3:01] <steve_rox> was thinking maybe the connectors on lipo ballence battery type
[3:01] <steve_rox> but unable to source them
[3:01] <SirLagz> http://www.banggood.com/40-x-10cm-Female-To-Female-Dupont-Jumper-Wires-Cable-p-89717.html
[3:02] <SirLagz> something like those
[3:02] <ShorTie> rc servo wire
[3:02] <steve_rox> i have some them but they are too erm weak
[3:03] <SirLagz> steve_rox: some of the ones I linked or some rc servo wire ?
[3:03] <steve_rox> i havent seen servo wire
[3:03] <steve_rox> annoyingly cold in the uk tonight
[3:04] <ShorTie> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300mm-30Cm-Servo-Extension-Y-Wire-Cord-Connectors-Cable-for-RC-JR-Futab-fo-/291333985826?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43d4dbd622
[3:04] <SirLagz> or you can get a cable like these - http://www.conrad.com/medias/global/ce/9000_9999/9700/9750/9754/975470_LB_00_FB.EPS_1000.jpg
[3:04] <steve_rox> like have a custom socket on outter side case of rpi that i can push plug into
[3:05] <SirLagz> steve_rox: sounds like you need a custom made solution then
[3:05] <steve_rox> i rember them they look like usb tags
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[3:05] <steve_rox> err
[3:05] <steve_rox> well i dont wanna use anything like a usb socket
[3:05] <steve_rox> or it may confuse and end up errr blowing somehting up
[3:05] <steve_rox> the servo wire looks interesting
[3:06] <steve_rox> only 2 wiress tho
[3:06] <SirLagz> steve_rox: don't use the USB socket though
[3:06] <SirLagz> steve_rox: just the header cable :P
[3:06] <steve_rox> :-P
[3:08] <steve_rox> managed to make a sorta copy of a molex socket using polymorph
[3:09] <SirLagz> steve_rox: you could probably get a panel mount 9pin DSUB socket and solder some wires onto that to expose it to the outside
[3:09] <SirLagz> http://www.gearnuts.com/images/items/750/EHDB9FFB-large.jpg
[3:10] <SirLagz> steve_rox: or if you could find an old serial port lying around from back in the day of fly lead connected serial ports, you could use that
[3:10] <steve_rox> thats a intresting thought
[3:10] <steve_rox> serial port
[3:10] <steve_rox> but then again space is tight inside
[3:10] <SirLagz> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motherboard-RS232-DB9-Pin-Com-Port-Ribbon-Serial-Cable-Connector-Bracket-v-h9-/221339609453?pt=AU_CablesConnectors&hash=item3388de696d <-- like one of those
[3:11] <SirLagz> well with the thing I just linked, you could have the serial port just dangling around outside lol
[3:11] <SirLagz> or have a second enclosure superglued onto the Pi enclosure and have the serial port mounted there
[3:12] <SirLagz> infact, I'm stealing this idea for myself :P
[3:12] <steve_rox> heh
[3:12] <steve_rox> unless i get some them sissy standard single wires ppl use on gpio and superglue 3 together into strip and make socket port thu that
[3:14] <steve_rox> oh but i has no superglue left it all dryed up
[3:15] <SirLagz> haha
[3:15] <steve_rox> i has some monkey glue but that expands and can be messy
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[3:17] <SirLagz> steve_rox: you could always try heatshrinking the 3 plugs together lol
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[3:18] <steve_rox> hmmmz
[3:18] <steve_rox> that is one possiblity i guess
[3:18] <steve_rox> im sure theres a downside somewhere
[3:18] <SirLagz> just be very careful with the heat
[3:19] <steve_rox> heatgun job i spose or lighter
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[3:27] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-pairs-40-Pin-Header-Female-Male-Pins-Sockets-SIL-2-54mm-Arduino-Raspberry-Pi-/281238167342?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item417b19df2e
[3:27] <steve_rox> this might do it
[3:27] <steve_rox> -better
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[3:53] <dob1> on reboot/halt i get hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
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[3:53] <dob1> can i ignore it?
[3:54] <dob1> fake-hwclock is installed
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[4:11] <SirLagz> dob1: yes you can ignore it
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[4:26] <dob1> bye
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[10:45] <samB__> Hi, I’m really interested in getting a RaspberryPi for a hobby in my spare time but a lot of the projects seem to require knowledge of electrical circuits?
[10:45] <samB__> I’ve found some good tutorials but they don’t always say why they use particular components or what their purpose is.
[10:45] <samB__> So while I’d probably be able to replicate tutorials I’m not sure I’d ever get to the stage where I can start building my own original projects?
[10:47] * RonXS_afk is now known as RonXS
[10:48] <ShorTie> 'they don’t always say why they use particular components or what their purpose is' , most likely that is because it would get rather complex and awfull long
[10:48] <ShorTie> thats if they truely know too...
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[10:49] <samB__> I completely agree ShorTie but I was just thinking of how far I could go with it without any electrical knowledge. Some of the projects are so creative I would love to get to that stage some day.
[10:50] <samB__> My concern is that I wouldn’t be learning and rather just copying those tutorials and guides
[10:52] <SirLagz> samB__: The best way to learn is to create something that would be useful to you
[10:52] <ShorTie> so you want to become an Electrical Engineer by reading a few howtoo's ??
[10:52] <SirLagz> samB__: think of something that you want, then start building the smallest building blocks you would need to do that
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[10:55] <samB__> SirLagz: I would love that, but without any idea of what different components do wouldn’t that be difficult? Thats why I was thinking of starting with guides and tutorials.
[10:55] <ShorTie> i guess the place to start would be with ohm law, and a good learning of each of it's varibles
[10:56] <ShorTie> from there you start with some thing basic, like a resistor, and learn how it interacts with ohm's law
[10:57] <ShorTie> then move on threw the different electronic device
[10:57] <SirLagz> samB__: Need to know the grand picture to know what to learn
[10:57] <SirLagz> samB__: it's also a lot more motivationg to know you're building up to something rather than just learning bits and pieces which may come in useful later on
[10:57] <SirLagz> motivating*
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[11:00] <ShorTie> but still ohm's law is where to start, agreed ??
[11:00] <samB__> ShorTie: I remember doing ohms law in school and really ejoyed it so it would be interesting to learn all of that in more deapth.
[11:00] <SirLagz> ShorTie: agreed. :D
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[11:01] <samB__> SirLagz: I’ll look around for a project goal and try to focus my efforts in that direction
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[11:02] <nimoot> Does omxplayer use the GPU to decode the audio stream too?
[11:02] <SirLagz> samB__: good stuff
[11:04] <samB__> I was thinking of getting the Model B+ with the Project Kit rather than just the board on its own. is that a good option?
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[11:07] <ShorTie> depends, most of those kits are over priced and full of stuff you may not need really
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[11:12] <samB__> I was thinking of this one: http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke7.jsp?bespokepage=cpc/en_CC/makerspace/UC_ProjectKit.htm&COM=rpimodelb-plus-kits_3
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[11:14] <samB__> But I could probably by the components separately once I pick a starting project
[11:14] <nimoot> Yeah.
[11:15] <nimoot> And you'll prpbably find a lot of stuff from your old projects that you can reuse.
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[11:17] <ShorTie> i'd suggest of thinking of 6-8 things you want to build, just for the parts list basically, consolidate the parts list and buy in a life time bulk of atleast the basic stuff
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[11:18] <ShorTie> you will find that at farnell, jameco, newark, digikey ..., you can buy 100+ of the basic stuff real cheap
[11:20] <ShorTie> like a resistor, for a buck at radio shack you get 5, but at jameco you get 100
[11:20] <samB__> Thanks ShorTie that sound like a great idea! I’ll make a list of projects I hope to do and start making that list of parts :)
[11:22] <ShorTie> then if/when you do adventure out on your own, you will most likely have the stuff, atleast the basics, on hand already
[11:24] <samB__> That sounds perfect, cant wait to get started!
[11:24] <samB__> Thanks so much fo all the great advice :)
[11:24] <ShorTie> tape real stuff is normally real cheap from newark
[11:27] <ShorTie> then hit ebay up for your dupot wires and those experimental boards
[11:27] <BurtyB> just don't get carried away like I did (http://up.cm/xgdOt) othewise you end up with lots of spares ;)
[11:28] <ShorTie> lol, l@@ks like my purchase too....
[11:28] * SpeedEvil quacks.
[11:28] <ShorTie> but that is why i said a 'life time' supply
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[11:34] <SpeedEvil> Do _not_ buy stuff like resistorkits
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> at least from major distributors
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1280pcs-Metal-Film-Resistors-Assortment-Kit-Set-64-Values-1-10M-ohm-1-4W-/301141433249?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item461d6d9ba1
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> as an example
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[11:35] <rymate1234> ok guys I have a dilemma
[11:36] <rymate1234> I have a headless raspberry pi
[11:36] <rymate1234> is there anyway to ssh into it without a working router?
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[11:37] <rymate1234> i have a laptop with an ethernet port and I believe there's probably an ethernet cable somewhere, so is it possible to connect to it via that?
[11:38] <ShorTie> just a direct link
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[11:38] <lewd> u can try serial console, or crossed ethernet cable
[11:38] <ShorTie> but you either need to setup a dhcp server or static ip's
[11:40] <rymate1234> right thanks
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[11:45] <SpeedEvil> Or just turn it off, and plug in the SD card
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[12:43] <rymate1234> I connected my phone to my Pi via usb
[12:43] <rymate1234> and my Pi booted up
[12:43] <rymate1234> is this.... supposed to happen
[12:43] <rymate1234> there's no power going into the micro usb port
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[12:43] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> Well - sort-of
[12:44] <rymate1234> so my phone can now power a pi?
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> Power goes in wherever - there are no proper switches that would in theory enable power in or out only when software configures it
[12:44] <rymate1234> neat
[12:45] <rymate1234> SpeedEvil: too bad my phone isn't recognised as a usb device
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> If your phone has an adequate power output.
[12:46] <ShorTie> micro usb port is where the pi gets it's power from, so if you connected to it, yes it will boot
[12:47] <rymate1234> i was connected via a standard usb port
[12:47] <rymate1234> i was intending to tether my phone to my Pi for internet
[12:47] <ShorTie> my phone isn't recognised as a usb device, that is because the micro-usb port ONLY does power, no usb functions
[12:49] <rymate1234> im just surprised my moto g had enough juice to power the Pi and a wireless usb adapter connected to the Pi
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[12:50] <ShorTie> you most likely will kill the batery quickly though
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[12:57] <Jckf> ShorTie: rymate1234 is backpowering through the built-in USB hub, so the phone should show up in lsusb.
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[13:31] <Kriminel> o/
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[13:37] <phillip> hi, my pi does not boot. Both the red and the green light are shining, but I dont see anything over HDMI. What can I do?
[13:39] <ApolloJustice> check your SD card
[13:40] <ApolloJustice> reflash it
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[13:41] <phillip> lets see if I can do that, thanks ApolloJustice
[13:42] <ApolloJustice> you can just format your SD card using SD Formatter and unzip NOOBS into it
[13:42] <ShorTie> noobs, blaaa
[13:42] <ApolloJustice> lel
[13:42] <phillip> ApolloJustice: well I think its more of a hardware problem …
[13:42] <ShorTie> get a real os and write the image, better in the long run, imho
[13:43] <ApolloJustice> Win32DiskImager won't work at all on my PC for some reason, it won't write to either SD cards, USB sticks, anything.
[13:43] <shiftplusone> phillip: doesn't sound like a hardware problem.
[13:43] <ShorTie> y 4 u say that ??
[13:44] <ShorTie> what kind of os you running on your pc ??
[13:44] <shiftplusone> phillip: it definitely sounds like the card wasn't prepared properly.
[13:44] <phillip> shiftplusone: everything worked
[13:45] <ApolloJustice> phillip, corrupted SD card because shutdown improperly?
[13:45] <shiftplusone> 100% of the time something stops working, it was working before. I don't think it's a useful data point.
[13:45] <ShorTie> file corruption do to lack of power, maybe
[13:45] <phillip> ApolloJustice: yeah possible
[13:45] * phillip tries to get a sd-card reader
[13:45] <phillip> thanks a lot
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[14:02] <niston> cool http://www.mouser.ch/ProductDetail/Broadcom/BCM53125SKMMLG/?qs=%2fha2pyFadugzv%252bCfKUef7HfOIXfljwuZrfi%252bNlqqM4Gsz2g1EV%252bP22wZCNkrwJpO
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[14:46] <Kriminel> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20100525+lfs/wiringpi.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20100525+lfs/wiringpi.so: undefined symbol: softPwmStop in Unknown on line 0
[14:46] <Kriminel> what am i doing wrong?
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[14:52] <shiftplusone> using php =P
[14:52] <Kriminel> i mean, other than that :D
[14:52] * shiftplusone shrugs
[14:53] * Armand slaps shiftplusone
[14:54] <shiftplusone> =(
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[15:22] <samB__>
[15:22] <shiftplusone> well said
[15:23] <rymate1234> quick question
[15:23] <rymate1234> turned my Pi into a wifi router using these instructions http://raspberrypihq.com/how-to-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-router/
[15:23] <rymate1234> devices can communicate with the internet, but not with each other
[15:23] <rymate1234> how do I allow my devices to communicate with each other through this network?
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[15:25] <rymate1234> wait it's working now
[15:25] <rymate1234> huh
[15:25] <Bilby> mornin
[15:25] <Armand> lulz
[15:25] <Armand> Bilby.. .o/
[15:25] <niston> rymate1234: if there is no ap_isolate=1 in hostapd.conf, it should work by default
[15:25] <niston> moinsen
[15:26] <Bilby> It's been an ass-kicker of a Christmas, oi
[15:26] <rymate1234> hmm
[15:26] <rymate1234> I can ping my phone
[15:26] <rymate1234> from my laptop
[15:26] <niston> Bilby: got new toys to play with?
[15:26] <rymate1234> but apparently my web server on my laptop isnt avaliable on the network
[15:26] <Bilby> Eh, not really this year :/ everybody's broke lol
[15:26] <niston> heh
[15:27] <rymate1234> I should setup a status page on the Pi
[15:27] <rymate1234> lol
[15:27] <Bilby> but tl;dr for Dec '14 - Mother-In-Law's car broke down, helped pay to fix it. Wife's car wouldn't start. rented car. my wheel bearing went out so can't drive it far. Father fell, went into hospital, got out, went back in for double pnmonia and the flu, his wife also has the flu
[15:28] <Bilby> AND before most of that happened, I gutted the LAN at one client to rebuild it while they were gone on break. so I was trying to get that back together too...
[15:28] <niston> wow
[15:28] <nimoot> ow
[15:28] <niston> I got away cheap then
[15:28] <rymate1234> ouch
[15:28] <niston> only required a new battery in my car
[15:28] <niston> hehe
[15:28] <rymate1234> worst thing that happened to me was some oil in the oven caught fire
[15:28] <rymate1234> and the fire was put out before any damage happened
[15:29] <Bilby> lol
[15:29] <Bilby> brb getting my !#$# OTP key so i can log into the vpn
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[15:31] <nimoot> Anyone familiar with CMA? I want the memory assigned to the GPU to not exceed 128 MB (because, apparently that is the minimum mem for when you use the pi with a cam). But when the cam is not in use, the memory should fall back to the minimum, 16 MB)
[15:31] <nimoot> Memory share.
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[15:32] <nimoot> I'm going to set cma_lwm=16 and cma_hwm=16 with gpu_mem=128
[15:32] <nimoot> Is gpu_mem valid when using CMA?
[15:33] <shiftplusone> CMA is not supported, so.... good luck
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[15:33] <AlsoBilby> whoops, wrong button
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[15:33] <nimoot> Hoping to get some unofficial advice.
[15:34] <NedScott> The Country Music Awards is fixed, anyways
[15:34] <shiftplusone> I don't think enough people use it, if any. =(
[15:34] <ozzzy> shiftplusone, I think it is
[15:34] <ozzzy> but I may be wrong [shrug]
[15:34] <Bilby> schwa?
[15:35] <nimoot> NedScott, -____-
[15:36] <nimoot> I stumbled upon CMA when I tried playing some internet radio stream on omxplayer. It needed at least 64 megs of RAM.
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[15:58] <knob> Good morning all
[15:58] <SirLagz> evening
[15:58] <shiftplusone> ahoy
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[16:02] <knob> hey SirLagz ... hello shiftplusone =)
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[16:23] <Llamageddon> Hello, I am wondering if something about my SD card might be a problem
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[16:23] <Llamageddon> I get some weird error when I try to check my fat16 boot partition with gparted
[16:24] <Llamageddon> File system doesn't have expected sizes for Windows to like it. Cluster size is 8k (1k expected); number of clusters is 7161 (57096 expected); size of FATs is 32 sectors (224 expected).
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[16:24] <Llamageddon> After which gparted segfaults
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[16:26] <shiftplusone> Haven't seen that one myself
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[16:27] <Llamageddon> :/
[16:27] <Llamageddon> Same thing after re-dd-ing the image
[16:28] <shiftplusone> I'll try plugging my card back to the PC in a sec and see if I can reproduce what you're talking about.
[16:28] <shiftplusone> got some stuff running right now though, so.... might take a while
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[16:40] <Bilby> Logging in to the slow VPN so I can check the WAN ip and switch over to the fast VPN #justnerdythings
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[16:50] <knightwise> hey everyone
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[16:51] <Bilby> yo
[16:52] <knightwise> Total Pi noob here :) Just installed raspbian and getting to know the community and what you can do with a Pi
[16:53] <shiftplusone> Welcome
[16:53] <Bilby> Coo. If you reddit, check out my sticky thread for some ideas <_<
[16:53] <knightwise> i'm a Blogger/podcaster who focuses on cross platform technology so The Pi is another platform.
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[16:53] <shiftplusone> knightwise: got a linkey-link to your blag and whatnot?
[16:53] <knightwise> www.knightwise.com
[16:53] <knightwise> We just did a blog series on the Chromebook and the Pi is up next :)
[16:54] <shiftplusone> ... might've guessed.
[16:54] <knightwise> shiftplusone: Consisenty is elegance :)
[16:54] <Bilby> I only read blags transmitted from blagosphere balloons
[16:55] <knightwise> Its more of a website then a Blag :p
[16:55] <Bilby> Also: chromebook review is cromulent to my needs. I'm pushing a small client to move students to them :D
[16:55] <knightwise> Since I also PAdCast and do Scraancasssts
[16:55] <knightwise> Bilby: i'm finishing up the next podcast episode on it so ... that might help you
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[16:57] <Bilby> coo, might check it out
[16:57] <Bilby> i can't do anything w/ sound during the day, alas :/
[16:57] <knightwise> no prob , the show wont be out untill tomorrow
[16:57] <knightwise> but you can take a peek at the blog articles , especially the "Taking your Chromebook to work" one
[16:59] <knightwise> sorry about hijacking the topic
[16:59] <knightwise> I just got my pi this morning , playing around with it and looking for some cool things to do with it.
[16:59] <knightwise> Running retro games on it is on the top of my list :)
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[17:03] <Bilby> eh, no worries
[17:03] <Bilby> it's not a topic-strict channel
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[17:11] <daedeloth> probably stupid question, but on b+, where is pin 1 of the gpio bus located?
[17:11] <shiftplusone> pin 1? as in... GPIO1 or physical pin 1?
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[17:12] <daedeloth> physical pin 1
[17:12] <shiftplusone> if you hold the pi with the usb ports down. It's the top left one.
[17:13] <shiftplusone> (and of course from there it goes left to right, top to bottom, like text)
[17:13] <shiftplusone> Probably don't need to mention that last part but I have been accused of writing documentation wrong because the person didn't know how pin numbers work =|
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[17:14] <daedeloth> well the software I'm using here does it wrong as well :p
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[17:14] <daedeloth> left top to bottom, then right top to bottom
[17:14] <shiftplusone> which software is that?
[17:14] <SopaXorzTaker> #PIFACTS Did you know that Pi boots using its GPU and enables its CPU later?
[17:15] <Llamageddon> Really? :-O
[17:15] <daedeloth> shiftplusone, Fritzing
[17:15] <Llamageddon> That's super cool
[17:15] <shiftplusone> ah, not a fan of fritzing, so.... wouldn't know.
[17:15] <daedeloth> nobody seems to be :D
[17:16] <niston> its a pity that the magjack at least on the mod B isn't passive PoE compatible :[
[17:16] <daedeloth> niston, I looked into that and there's some pretty neat solutions for that
[17:16] <niston> yup :)
[17:16] <niston> that package you posted looks nice
[17:16] <daedeloth> ah, we talked two days ago :p
[17:16] <niston> yeah ^^
[17:16] <Llamageddon> Ok, someone help me
[17:16] <daedeloth> yea me and names :D
[17:17] <niston> im still thinking about a di
[17:17] <niston> DIY mod
[17:17] <Llamageddon> I followed this: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10251/prepare-sd-card-for-wifi-on-headless-pi
[17:17] <Llamageddon> But I don't think that my Pi is connecting
[17:17] <Llamageddon> I do not have anything that would allow me to connect it to a display
[17:17] <niston> mebbe desoldering the magjack and putting http://www.digikey.ch/product-detail/en/SI-52003-F/380-1119-ND/1635087 ?
[17:18] <Llamageddon> Also
[17:18] <Llamageddon> Is there a way to depower the Pi without ssh/keyboard/etc. access safely?
[17:18] <SopaXorzTaker> RIP BCM2835#125425252
[17:18] <SopaXorzTaker> a great loss :<
[17:18] <niston> heh
[17:19] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: add a switch and run something to shut the pi down when you press it?
[17:19] <niston> Llamageddon: you could hook a button to a GPIO pin and have some code read it's state
[17:19] <niston> if its pressed, issue "shutdown now"
[17:19] <Llamageddon> Ehh, I can't even do anything with it right now
[17:19] <niston> otoh i never had a problem with just pulling the power cord
[17:19] <SopaXorzTaker> Sorry, my BCM2835 named Sparkie
[17:19] <niston> although YMMV
[17:19] <SopaXorzTaker> You made a lot of fun for me
[17:19] <Llamageddon> I get weird gparted error on the FAT16 partition from the prebuilt image
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[17:19] <Llamageddon> Which I know nothing about
[17:20] <Llamageddon> I can't seem to set up wifi
[17:20] <SopaXorzTaker> Weird error?
[17:20] <SopaXorzTaker> Which one
[17:20] <Llamageddon> File system doesn't have expected sizes for Windows to like it. Cluster size is 8k (1k expected); number of clusters is 7161 (57096 expected); size of FATs is 32 sectors (224 expected).
[17:20] <SopaXorzTaker> 404 is a weird error too
[17:20] <shiftplusone> Agreed, decent cards with journaling filessytems seem to tolerate power losses just fine.
[17:20] <Llamageddon> Which causes gparted to segfault
[17:21] <Llamageddon> Eh
[17:21] <Llamageddon> Any idea how I can get it running?
[17:22] <SopaXorzTaker> get more memory
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[17:22] <Llamageddon> wtf do I need more memory for
[17:23] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: confirmed that I get the same error.
[17:23] <Llamageddon> Okay, so it's not a big deal presumably
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[17:23] <shiftplusone> Yes, I wouldn't worry too much about what Windows likes.
[17:24] <Llamageddon> In other words, the problem is to get my Pi to connect to WiFi
[17:24] <knightwise> Llamageddon: what os are you running ?
[17:24] <kd7jwc> could someone shed some light on why my pi with tightvncserver running is refusing connections over my wifi, both systems are on the same subnet
[17:24] <Llamageddon> I have a Netgear thingy that supposedly works with Pi
[17:24] <shiftplusone> and the segfault thing can't really be blamed on the card and seems like a gparted problem. fsck.vfat works just fine.
[17:24] <niston> same here btw
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[17:24] <shiftplusone> well... aside from the dirty bit bug in debian wheezy, but meh.
[17:24] <Llamageddon> I got the Raspbian image, resized it with gparted
[17:24] <niston> if I put raspi SD card in my windows box, it wants to repair it
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[17:24] <Llamageddon> So as to fill all 8G
[17:25] <niston> repairing it will of course break everything ;)
[17:25] <abnormal> niston, can you please help kd7jwc ?
[17:25] <niston> right
[17:26] <ShorTie> kd7jwc, are you attaching to screen 0 or 1, might need a :1 on end
[17:26] <niston> kd7jwc: maybe thightvnc is bound to the ethernet IP only?
[17:26] <kd7jwc> yes i have tried :0 and :!
[17:26] <ShorTie> tightvncserver doesn't like screen 0 to much, x11vnc is better for that
[17:26] <Llamageddon> I did this btw: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10251/prepare-sd-card-for-wifi-on-headless-pi
[17:26] <Llamageddon> But it doesn't seem to connect to my WiFi
[17:27] <Llamageddon> I can't find any logs related to that either
[17:27] <Llamageddon> Only dmesg messages about having connected an USB WiFi adapter
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[17:28] <niston> kd7jwc: also, user configuration file will override system wide configuration
[17:28] <ShorTie> sure it running 'ps ax |grep vnc' ??
[17:29] <niston> furthermore, VNC might be started with "localhost" parameter
[17:30] <niston> then it would refuse everything not localhost ,obviously
[17:30] <kd7jwc> it wouldnt work by ip but did using raspberrypi:1 very odd
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[17:31] <niston> does it use DHCP? maybe the IP has changed..
[17:32] <kd7jwc> ir does dhcp but did an ipconfig manually from pi keyboard
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[17:35] <Llamageddon> My Pi can't connect to WiFi :(
[17:35] <Llamageddon> It doesn't woooork :(
[17:35] <Bilby> What does it doooooo
[17:35] <Llamageddon> I don't know, I have no display
[17:35] <shiftplusone> Coffee tiiiiiime
[17:36] <abnormal> lol
[17:36] <Bilby> shiftplusone get me one while you're uuuuuuuuuuup
[17:36] <abnormal> lol
[17:36] <shiftplusone> okaaaaaaaay
[17:36] <Llamageddon> All I'm trying is to get it to connect to my WiFi network :/
[17:36] <Bilby> Llamageddon ah. with no display, how did you configure it to connect to wifi?
[17:36] <abnormal> want cooooooookkkkiiiieeeesssss too?
[17:37] <Bilby> What kiiiiiiiiiiind?
[17:37] <Llamageddon> Bilby: I followed this: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10251/prepare-sd-card-for-wifi-on-headless-pi
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[17:37] <abnormal> mint choc chip
[17:37] <Bilby> fo sho
[17:38] <shiftplusone> Hm, I've only got choc chip at the office
[17:38] <shiftplusone> and ginger snaps
[17:38] <shiftplusone> then there are misc ones like digestives and so on.
[17:38] <abnormal> mmm ginger.... yay!
[17:38] <Llamageddon> Eh
[17:38] <Llamageddon> Out of everything that could have led to me not getting help, it had to be "get me some cookies" IRC roleplay
[17:38] <Llamageddon> Goddamit...
[17:39] <abnormal> simmer down... we help if we know the answers...
[17:39] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: I wouldn't mind helping, but I don't see any information to go on.
[17:39] <Llamageddon> If there is information that I can provide, I gladly will
[17:40] <Bilby> Llamageddon [reading]
[17:40] <shiftplusone> do you have a keyboard and display connected, or do you expect to debug the problem telepathically?
[17:40] <Llamageddon> I'd hope to find some logs on the SD card
[17:40] <shiftplusone> a serial adapter could be handy
[17:40] <Bilby> shiftplusone are they good ginger snaps, or the ones you get at the store that are as hard as a rock and still manage to taste like cardboard?
[17:40] <Llamageddon> I have USB keyboards, but I do not have any displays that can be connected to the Pi
[17:40] <shiftplusone> Bilby: I don't know, I haven't opened them yet. I suspect the latter.
[17:41] <Bilby> blech
[17:41] <abnormal> lol
[17:41] <Bilby> Llamageddon first off, have you double-checked that all of your wifi settings are correct in the config files?
[17:41] <abnormal> did em in the coffee to soften them
[17:41] <ApolloJustice> does having a heatsink on both the LAN and processor chips have any negative effects? I've heard some people say it's always good to have more heatsinks but some people told me it was bad.
[17:41] <Llamageddon> Bilby: I've seen three different config file formats and docs from the timespan of /one year/
[17:42] <Llamageddon> So no idea :(
[17:42] <Llamageddon> The info is correct for sure
[17:42] <shiftplusone> ApolloJustice: they don't do anything.
[17:42] <ApolloJustice> really? that's good to know then
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> and whatever they do is ineffective and unnecessary.
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[17:43] <abnormal> don't need heat sinks, otherwise the pi's would have came with them on.
[17:43] <Bilby> Llamageddon looked at the man page to see if it looks right? http://linux.die.net/man/5/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:43] <shiftplusone> Unless the anti-heatsink stance is our evil plan to make sure the pi died quicker and people buy more of them.
[17:43] <ApolloJustice> abnormal, yeah, I guess so, but i bought my Pi second-hand and it came with 2 stick-on heatsinks so I was debating whether to put them on or not.
[17:43] <shiftplusone> *dies
[17:44] <Llamageddon> I skipped the key_mgmt=WPA-PSK thing since stackexchange answer didn't list it and claimed it works
[17:44] <Llamageddon> But otherwise I did look at that
[17:44] <knob> ApolloJustice, I have used about 12 rPis for the past 12 months. 24 hours a day... 365 days a year. Every minute they are processing something. They are under the mid-day sun, inside a metal enclosure. Not once have I had a problem with an rPi heating. Just a FYI
[17:44] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: I would refer to debian documentation instead of random stackexchange posts.
[17:44] <Llamageddon> That sounds like a good idea
[17:44] <knob> Heatsinks are from people that like to make money... and people that don't like having them.
[17:44] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK
[17:45] <abnormal> I would not put them on... just maintain the pi stays clean of dust.
[17:45] <shiftplusone> I don't know if it's any different, but it's definitive.
[17:45] <knob> Llamageddon, you having problems with the wifi setup?
[17:45] <Llamageddon> "WPA PSK hash for your SSID"
[17:45] <Llamageddon> Wait, what? @_@
[17:45] <Llamageddon> Hash?
[17:45] <ApolloJustice> knob, ahh okay. Yeah, I bought it second hand and the guy bundled a B+, hdmi cable, wifi dongle and 2 heatsinks for a really good price, so it's not like i'm spending any extra money
[17:45] <knob> ApolloJustice, then it's good!
[17:45] <shiftplusone> use wpa-passphrase to get the hash
[17:46] <knob> I would stick heatsinks on the back side of my cellphone... make it more legit.
[17:46] <knob> =D
[17:46] <shiftplusone> or stick it on your forehead
[17:46] <Llamageddon> shiftplusone: I can't login into the Pi, and I don't use WiFi on my PC ;_;
[17:46] <shiftplusone> makes your brain smarter
[17:46] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: you just need the tool, you don't need actual wifi
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[17:48] <abnormal> shiftplusone, can you explain that to Llamageddon please?
[17:49] <shiftplusone> abnormal: sorry, explain what?
[17:49] <abnormal> I think he is stunned of "the tool"
[17:49] <Llamageddon> abnormal: Thank you for the concern, take your passive-aggressiveness elsewhere
[17:49] <Llamageddon> 4chan is a place where it is well appreciated
[17:50] <niston> shiftplusone: that evil plan isn't working too well by the looks of it
[17:50] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: nuh, I think he was legitimately trying to help.
[17:50] <Llamageddon> Wait, really?
[17:50] <Llamageddon> @_@
[17:50] <Llamageddon> In that case I'm sorry
[17:50] <Llamageddon> I'm not good at interacting with people
[17:50] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: it's often unhelpful to just say "use thing x" and expect people (especially beginners) to not be befuddled if they're not familiar with thing x.
[17:50] <niston> hi abnormal ^^
[17:50] <abnormal> it's ok, I understand, Llamageddon ...
[17:50] <abnormal> hi, niston ...
[17:51] <Llamageddon> Eh, I'm not exactly a beginner
[17:51] <Llamageddon> I just have a lot of stuff
[17:51] <shiftplusone> I mean in general
[17:51] <niston> has anyone here played with SFPs?
[17:51] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon: so yeah, wpa_passphrase is a part of wpa_supplicant. you run wpa_passphrase your_ssid and then it will ask you for a password and spit out the hash you need.
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[17:51] <niston> im phantasizing about wiring two of them together, back to back
[17:51] <shiftplusone> SFPs?
[17:51] <niston> TX->RX and vice versa
[17:51] <niston> fiberoptic transceiver modules
[17:52] <Llamageddon> Yeah, I did that
[17:52] <shiftplusone> ah so not single flop processors
[17:52] <Llamageddon> Right now I'm just being slow mentally and taking forever to copy-paste and all that
[17:52] <niston> it should be a 2R repeater then
[17:52] <Llamageddon> I have somewhat huge problems and I find it hard to breathe as of right now
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> I can understand that breathing is a little more important than getting wifi going =P (seriously though, hope you're okay there)
[17:53] <NET||abuse> hi guys. I've a raspberry pie and an odroid-c1 (just saw it and impulse purchased :)) i'm wondering either to get SDHC or SDXC disks.
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[17:53] <Llamageddon> Eh, it's a long-running problem. It won't kill me, it's just really uncomfortable
[17:54] <NET||abuse> sdxc seems to be about haxing exfat, is there a physical difference then?
[17:54] <NET||abuse> hmm, haxing? having... is what i meant :)
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[17:54] <shiftplusone> there's some, but as long as you format the card properly (or image it) it will be fine.
[17:55] <NET||abuse> is there a genuine benefit to using sdxc or is the value really just in the potential capacity? And if i'm happy with 32 there's no other point to get an xc
[17:56] <Bilby> Llamageddon bummer :/
[17:56] <Bilby> good luck with the wifi
[17:56] <Llamageddon> Okay
[17:56] <Llamageddon> Thanks
[17:56] <Bilby> there are people literally hammering on my walls right now so i'm going to take a short break >_< brb
[17:57] <shiftplusone> yeah, they're all pretty much the same. I'd just make sure it's a quality card from a trusted store, rather than focus on the class and all that.
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[18:16] <sirfancy> Hey guys, on a scale of 1 to AES, how hard do you think it would be to reverse engineer this to work with the RPi? http://www.amazon.com/General-PJ205-Handheld-Personal-Projector/dp/B008OPTQ76/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1419959682&sr=8-9&keywords=pico+projector
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[18:20] <shiftplusone> I don't know, but judging by the feedback, it doesn't seem like you'd want to D=
[18:23] <niston> does it use AirPlay ?
[18:23] <antoon> morning fellow piers
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[18:26] <niston> sirfancy: if it uses Airplay (most likely for apple devices), check this: http://nto.github.io/AirPlay.html
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[18:39] <sirfancy> shiftplusone: Did you see the price though? :3
[18:40] <sirfancy> niston: 30pin.
[18:40] <sirfancy> shiftplusone: All the reviews sound software side, which won't be an issue ;)
[18:41] * ShorTie thinkz, it would be all about your hardware/software capabilities
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[18:42] <sirfancy> Unfortunately I don't have an iphone or an oscilloscope so I'll be going into this blind. Armed with a multimeter and a soldering iron, I think I can do it. Hopefully.
[18:42] <niston> I think it will be more of a software problem
[18:43] <ShorTie> 1st thing, i would think, is to determine the bus to which it hooks up to the other thing with
[18:43] <niston> OH
[18:44] <ShorTie> if it is some kind of pritory thing, the odds go down quickly i would think
[18:44] <niston> I assumed it was wireless
[18:44] <sirfancy> Someone in ##re mentioned 30pin to HDMI, which seems like a reasonable idea. An oscilloscope would be a great thing though. Maybe I can make a software one with some matlab and the GPIO pins?
[18:45] <ShorTie> kinda like the camera and dsi ports on the pi
[18:45] <sirfancy> Gtg all, ttyl
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[19:02] <niston> hmm
[19:02] <niston> http://www.panic.com/blog/the-lightning-digital-av-adapter-surprise/
[19:03] <niston> interesting though, they do use airplay even for the hdmi out
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[19:36] <omfgtora> anyone ever use an ODROID-XU3 ?
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[19:38] <shiftplusone> Well... surely SOMEONE would've.
[19:39] <shiftplusone> I don't know how they would release a product without having ever used it >.>
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[19:40] <abnormal> lol
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[19:42] <Bilby> ugh
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[19:42] <Bilby> making ethernet cables is tedius
[19:42] <shiftplusone> pretty sure you can just buy them =P
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[19:46] <Bilby> sure but i have a box of bulk and a container of jacks and a broke client :P
[19:46] <Bilby> i'm making jumpers for the patch panel so i can clean it up a bit, right now there are ~40 3-6 ft cables where you really need ~1ft max
[19:46] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:47] <shiftplusone> Our server room seems to be relatively clean in that regard, but I don't really have much of a reference point.
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[19:50] <Bilby> I don't have any pics up right now, they're all on the camera still. i'm going to do a big post when I finish this mess
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[19:53] <omfgtora> Bilby: i actually love making ethernet cables. i try to see how quickly and neatly i can make them
[19:54] <Bilby> there is something satisfying about a bundle of nicely-finished cables, true haha
[19:54] <niston> bilby: soldering or crimping?
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[19:59] <Bilby> niston oh my... crimping. how could you solder them without a spot-welding tool or something
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[20:00] <niston> you said tedious :P
[20:01] <niston> time to wire up my mad scientist basement lab
[20:01] <niston> ethernet is already going there by powerline
[20:01] <niston> but Imma need a switch
[20:01] <niston> think I'll put a wlan ap
[20:03] <Bilby> lol
[20:03] <Bilby> powerline is nice
[20:03] <niston> I had mixed results
[20:03] <niston> back in the old flat it wouldnt work reliably
[20:03] <niston> here it works like a charm
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[20:03] <niston> even going 5 stories down to the basement
[20:05] <niston> now if only I could find that wlan ap...
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[20:08] <Bilby> I usually try it for people in old buildings, trying to avoid drilling holes and such
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[20:13] <Twist-> Bilby: You may enjoy http://imgur.com/r/cableporn
[20:14] <shiftplusone> hey.... I know you! http://imgur.com/r/cableporn/64WEEkc
[20:16] <Bilby> already subscribed <_<
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[20:22] <iamaustin> hi everyone, i have a question about interfacing with a color recognition sensor (tcs3200) -- anyone around? There doesn't seem to be any raspberry pi code available but theres plenty of C code meant to run on the Arduino -- i have ported a bunch of the code but am questioning the output of the sensor. In translating the code, i realize that the arduino has a real-time timer that the code is leveraging to read the output, and that in
[20:22] <iamaustin> does anyone have any experience with this, or feel inclined to help figure this out?
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[20:25] <abnormal> did you look in the raspberrypi.org forums?
[20:25] <knob> or even in the #arduino ... they might have done some porting themselves.. or can give you a arduino-side help?
[20:26] <abnormal> good point, ty knob ....
[20:26] <iamaustin> i did look in the forums, there was a post referencing the sensor -- saying that it could be used to solve a particular problem someone faced
[20:27] <iamaustin> but thats where the conversation ended, im going to try arduino to see if they have any pointers trying to port that arduino code over to raspberry pi
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[20:30] <Bilby> shiftplusone that's not me (not bad looking though)
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[20:30] <shiftplusone> I didn't mean that it's your work, just that I clicked the link and recognised the pis
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[20:31] <Bilby> ahaha
[20:31] <Bilby> now I want a version of the pi with integrated PoE
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> For quothing ravens.
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[20:34] <Bilby> Dear Raspberry Pi Foundation: Build me a PoE-capable Pi so I can quote Poe with a PoE Pi
[20:34] <knob> shiftplusone, in that pic (http://imgur.com/r/cableporn/64WEEkc)... how are they powering the Pi?
[20:34] <knob> I currently run PoE... yet I need a "PoE Active Splitter" before the rPi... then I step down the voltage, and then I feed it to the rPi
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[20:35] <knob> Is there a different/better way to run PoE to the rPi?
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[20:35] <shiftplusone> they might not be powering it in that pic, or maybe they have something connected to GPIO
[20:35] <knob> Ohhh... gpio
[20:35] <shiftplusone> you could add a little header on the power pins and stack the pis with the power supply on the end.
[20:35] <knob> ok
[20:36] <knob> What I do right now is that I solder the + and - into the bottom of the board (pre-fuse).
[20:36] <Bilby> Looking at the pic, i think that's an "in progress" photo. The switch has no power, for example ;)
[20:36] <knob> then I don't have to use the microUSB, and I don't have "more pieces of the puzzle"... simplify them a little bit
[20:36] <knob> Bilby, thanks... yes yes.
[20:37] <knob> I just got all excited for PoE rPi
[20:37] <Bilby> knob that's probably about the best way right now, and as long as you have power conditioning and protection on the PoE injector you can bypass the microusb with no problems
[20:37] <Bilby> lol
[20:37] <Bilby> I just implemented my first decent PoE system
[20:37] <knob> Bilby, nice. Glad to hear I am doing it "right".
[20:37] <Bilby> now i want to power all the things through ethernet!
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[20:37] <knob> haha nice
[20:37] <Bilby> Having a PoE-capable switch makes it so easy :3
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[20:38] <iamaustin> well while im in here i might as well ask this as well - does anyone know of any breakout boards or chips which can charge a 3.7v lipo battery while simultaenously supplying the load -- and even better would be if it could then step that up to 5 or 5.2v
[20:38] <knob> I recently got an adapter for the camera board. It mounts CS security lenses, into the board. Then I eBay'd an additional adapter from CS-lens to Nikon-type. And now the images with a Nikon lens are amazing.
[20:38] <Bilby> dang, i bet
[20:39] <Bilby> iamaustin hmm. most lipo applications i'm familiar with are for R/C so you're never running + charging simultaniously
[20:39] <niston> finally!
[20:39] <knob> iamaustin, check adafruit. You might find some inspiration there. I know they have some lipo packs and recharging circuits
[20:39] <iamaustin> i see plenty of them but im not sure if they are capable of providing the load too, except for an expensive one on adafruit.
[20:39] <iamaustin> yea i saw one there, i was looking for a generic chinese version of it
[20:39] <Bilby> how expensive is it?
[20:40] <iamaustin> well, relatively expensive compared to other 2 dollar boards
[20:40] <iamaustin> its 18 dollars
[20:40] <Bilby> because man... lipo fires are scary. not worth cheaping out on the charger.
[20:40] <knob> Ahh... well, maybe buy one, and ... reverse engineer it?
[20:40] <iamaustin> plus then another 10 i think for the step up
[20:40] <iamaustin> DC booster they call it
[20:40] <iamaustin> yea ill probably go with that, but there have been a bunch of sensors (namely the 10dof) that i bought from adafruit and latre realized were available for a fraction of the price on ebay
[20:40] <iamaustin> if you dont mind waiting a month
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[20:42] <iamaustin> my ultimate goal is to be able to run the pi from battery but be able to charge it without resetting the software if absolutely needed to prolong the runtime
[20:42] <iamaustin> like a ups, which i also see several $50+ solutions for
[20:44] <gyscos> You could also have a 2-way power supply: battery or usb. Then plug the usb, remove the battery, charge it separately
[20:44] <iamaustin> that works for me, definitely -- would a two way power supply switch without causing the pi to reset?
[20:45] <iamaustin> is that what the capacitor would be used for?
[20:46] <gyscos> I'd probably add a few diodes just for safety, but I'm not even sure that's absolutely necessary
[20:46] <iamaustin> do you have an example of a two way power supply that could be used?
[20:47] <gyscos> I think "raspberry pi redundant power supply" would be the googlable term
[20:48] <knob> or iamaustin, go ask over in #electronics tell them straight up that you have an rPi consuming 5.0v, and max 2.0A... and you want to charge a LiPo, and switch supplies. Just like here, bunch of smart people over there.
[20:49] <Bilby> iamaustin they make power inverters for RVs that allow you to switch from running on battery to running on "shore power" without interrupting anything. I'm sure you can find a smaller solution ;)
[20:49] <iamaustin> haha yea, as far as I can tell the adafruit solution should work -- it allows you to use a solar charged 3.7v lipo
[20:50] <iamaustin> 30 bucks for the two pieces but in the spirit of DIY ill head over to #electronics
[20:50] <gyscos> That's the cruder version :p http://i.stack.imgur.com/Fnipi.jpg
[20:51] <gyscos> two schottky diodes
[20:52] <willmore> iamaustin, how about a cheap phone charger that has a USB power in/USB power out.
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[20:52] <iamaustin> those would work but most of them are all incapable of charging and being charged at the same time
[20:52] <willmore> That's what I'm using as a USB for my Model B which acts as a backup DHCP/DNS server.
[20:53] <Encrypt> gyscos, Have a look aht Linear Technology's redundant power supply chips
[20:53] <iamaustin> ive also noticed that they dont always produce what they claim
[20:53] <iamaustin> gyscos that diagram looks pretty simple, im a cs graduate and a tinkerer but id be lying if i said id used diodes other than the ones that are baked onto my breakout boards
[20:53] <willmore> iamaustin, I guess I got luckly, then. All of mine seem to do it. I only have one that's any kind of a troublemaker. It won't start the output until a button is pressed.
[20:53] <iamaustin> which model do you use?
[20:54] <willmore> cheap stuff I pick up at local stores. Nothing fancy.
[20:54] <willmore> The one that gives me issue is the fancy one. :) The cheap stuff works better.
[20:55] <gyscos> iamaustin, diodes usually cause some voltage loss. schottky diodes have minimal loss, which is desired in this case. They can be found cheaply on ebay :P
[20:55] <iamaustin> ah, i have an anker usb bank, 16000mah and it wont charge and be charged at the same time. ive looked and reviews are mixed and unclear as to whether or not models do or do not charge at the same time
[20:56] <willmore> iamaustin, for cheap ones, you have to test each unit. I have four of one model. After opening them up, there are *three* different designs in them.
[20:56] <iamaustin> got it, so in this case say i had two 5v sources, i would connect the + of each two a diode and then connect them to the pi
[20:56] <iamaustin> i assume they have to share the ground too?
[20:56] <Encrypt> gyscos, http://www.linear.com/parametric/PowerPath_Controllers_*_Ideal_Diodes#!cols_1030,1031,1193,2216,1367,1192,1033,1032!s_1192,0!gtd_!1030_2
[20:56] <iamaustin> haha willmore id believe it, that explains the murkiness from the reviews and description
[20:57] <willmore> Encrypt, I just saw their ideal diode bridge chip and I have to say "wow!" About time someone did that, but just "wow!"
[20:57] <willmore> iamaustin, yep. The 'name brand' ones might be more reliable, but I wouldn't put money on it. Buy, test, repeat.
[20:58] <willmore> With P channel devices getting so good, I expect that power switches like that will become more common than they used to be.
[20:58] <Encrypt> willmore, Yeah, their chips are really awesome
[20:59] <gyscos> iamaustin, Exactly. USB power often has floating ground, so it should be ok
[20:59] <Encrypt> I found their company when I started electronics (as a hobby)
[20:59] <Encrypt> They really do neat stuff
[20:59] <willmore> Encrypt, yep, they must employ some pretty good people to design them.
[20:59] <Encrypt> Yes, definitely :D
[20:59] <iamaustin> interesting, and so if either one goes away, the pi never notices? are the diodes just there to protect the power supplies from a jolt when either one is disconnected? is this in parallel, so we are just removing som eof the current and none of the voltage?
[20:59] <iamaustin> sorry, i keep meanign to address my comments to you gyscos
[21:00] <Encrypt> willmore, The last thing I saw was a "ideal diode bridge" to rectify the voltage :D
[21:00] <Encrypt> It uses a chip which drives 4 mosfets
[21:00] <gyscos> iamaustin, that's the plan. And any slight variation will get smoothed by the capacitor on the pi
[21:00] <Encrypt> iamaustin, http://www.linear.com/product/LT4320
[21:01] <Encrypt> Have a look at the thermograph
[21:01] <willmore> Encrypt, I am looking at building a better/bigger bench power supply and I saw the ideal bridge mentioned in an article. That cost me a half hour of jaw dropped reading.
[21:01] <Encrypt> Just awesome...
[21:01] <Encrypt> willmore, x)
[21:01] <willmore> In retrospect, it's *obvious*, but doing it is the important bit.
[21:01] <iamaustin> so as not to avoid the capacitor of which you speak, should i be inputting the power somewhere specific? like the USB jack through a home made spliced cable?
[21:02] <iamaustin> definitely not to the 5v on the gpio right?
[21:02] <willmore> For a low voltage/high current supply like mine losing the .3V*2 is actually something I have to design for.
[21:02] <Encrypt> One always nees a capacitor somewhere :p
[21:02] <Encrypt> needs*
[21:03] <gyscos> iamaustin, What you could do is a board that takes battery or USB and outputs the combined 5V into a usb socket, so you'd then just plug a micro usb cable into it
[21:04] <Encrypt> If I were you, I'd really use a chip from Linear Technolgy
[21:04] <gyscos> Yeah, they look really great
[21:04] <willmore> I wonder if a little PCB with two micro jacks and one host/A jack with one of these chips on it would be a good seller?
[21:04] <iamaustin> Encrypt, im looking but not sure at what. would this be similar to gyscos diagram, but more efficient and with less heat?
[21:04] <gyscos> Not sure how much you can find them for though
[21:04] <iamaustin> gyscos: thats what i was thinking, with the diodes between the two sources +
[21:04] <willmore> Pi's, arduinos, etc. could all use them.
[21:04] <iamaustin> and do i need to throw a capacitor somewhere in there for good measure?
[21:05] <iamaustin> i can even get a 5v buck/boost to protect it all, if that is required in anyway
[21:05] <gyscos> If you have some laying around, you can always add one to the battery or the usb charger - if you don't trust their own regulations
[21:06] <iamaustin> i don't, they just get put in line with the +/- output from the battery?
[21:06] <iamaustin> each battery?
[21:06] <gyscos> Since the battery will go through a step up, there will probably be one there, right ?
[21:06] <iamaustin> yea definitely, the source voltages will definitely by 5v -- either a 5v battery pack or a 5v usb adapter
[21:06] <iamaustin> so they have their own
[21:07] <iamaustin> if needed
[21:07] <gyscos> If you really want efficiency, you could also bypass the pi's own regulator
[21:07] <iamaustin> see i think that i should probably use that because id rather be safe than effecient
[21:08] <iamaustin> i just want the pi to be safe but have the power be interchangeable, i think ive got a clear idea of what i can do thanks to you guys
[21:08] <Encrypt> iamaustin, http://www.linear.com/product/LTC4413 for example
[21:08] <gyscos> You can read http://www.daveakerman.com/?page_id=1294
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[21:08] <Encrypt> 110mV forward voltage @700mA approximately
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[21:09] <iamaustin> encrypt, so basically a low voltage loss at a decent amount of current draw? is that what those numbers mean?
[21:09] <Encrypt> iamaustin, The forward voltage is lower than a regular diode at any current
[21:09] <Encrypt> And so is the power loss
[21:09] <gyscos> Yeah, 110mV voltage is really low, that's great
[21:10] <Encrypt> iamaustin, Or even better: http://www.linear.com/product/LTC4415
[21:10] <Encrypt> This is *exactly* the same schematics compared to gyscos ons
[21:10] <gyscos> These chips are all surface mount right ?
[21:11] <Encrypt> Yes, unfortunately :(
[21:11] <Encrypt> Linear Technology only does SMT chips
[21:11] <Encrypt> It seems they don't like DIP
[21:11] <gyscos> Haven't really got used to that yet :-/
[21:11] <iamaustin> so, if a place like radioshack sold shottky diodes
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[21:12] <Encrypt> It's solderable however with hot air and solder paste
[21:12] <iamaustin> i could pressumably go pick up a pack of those, (after determining some quantifiable requirement for them) and wire it up like in your diagram
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[21:12] <Encrypt> (Regarding the last link by the way, you have a voltage drop of 100mV @2A)
[21:13] <Encrypt> That makes the resistance to be 50mohms
[21:13] <iamaustin> so, someone recently suggested i repair an onkyo receiver with a bad smt chip by placing it in the oven - i think ill hold off on the smt stuff
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[21:13] <Encrypt> That is to say a power loss of R*I_max = 0.050*0.7 = 35 mW
[21:14] <Encrypt> (maximum)
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[21:15] <iamaustin> http://www.radioshack.com/nte584-20v-silicon-schottky-diode/55052274.html#q=schottky%2Bdiode&start=2 would something like that work
[21:15] <gyscos> (do you mean R*I² ?)
[21:15] <Encrypt> gyscos, Yes, right
[21:15] <Encrypt> That's even lower then :P
[21:16] <Encrypt> (It's 9:15 p.m. here and I worked all day, I'm tired :p)
[21:16] <gyscos> iamaustin, http://www.newark.com/nte-electronics/nte584/schottky-rectifier-35ma-20v-do/dp/31C5017
[21:16] <gyscos> It has a 1V forward voltage
[21:16] <gyscos> that's a bit high
[21:17] <Encrypt> Well
[21:17] <Encrypt> The forward voltage for a Schottky diode won't be smaller than 400mV to my mind
[21:17] <iamaustin> a lot higher than the 110mv for that other chip
[21:17] <iamaustin> or diode rather
[21:17] <gyscos> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-1N5817-Diode-Schottky-1A-20V-Free-Shipping-/250849028274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a67c468b2
[21:17] <gyscos> 0.45V
[21:17] <gyscos> that's more acceptable
[21:18] <Encrypt> Here it is
[21:18] <Encrypt> http://www.polytech-lille.fr/cours-atome-circuit-integre/unip/fig520.gif
[21:18] <iamaustin> so that means that each supply would have to put out 5.45 then?
[21:18] <Encrypt> Yes
[21:18] <Encrypt> But well
[21:18] <gyscos> Ideally
[21:18] <gyscos> But the raspberry pi may very well survive 4.5V
[21:18] <Encrypt> The forward voltages changes with the current
[21:18] <Encrypt> So that's not that simple
[21:18] <iamaustin> right right, as long as i go through the onboard regulator?
[21:19] <iamaustin> in this case, is the forward voltage referenced (.45v) the maximum it could be?
[21:19] <iamaustin> at max current draw or something
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[21:20] <gyscos> http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/ds23001.pdf
[21:20] <gyscos> second page, top right graph
[21:20] <gyscos> Yes, it is
[21:21] <gyscos> The lower the max voltage (20V here is well enough) the lower the voltage drop
[21:21] <iamaustin> got it
[21:21] <iamaustin> why do they continue the charts past 1a on the y axis
[21:21] <iamaustin> if they can only handle 1a?
[21:22] <gyscos> I'm... not sure
[21:22] <iamaustin> ah, just wondering
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[21:22] <iamaustin> i always look at the graphs and wondered what all i was missing
[21:22] <iamaustin> thats one of the things
[21:23] <gyscos> Oh, it's the peak current.
[21:23] <iamaustin> okay this is all insanely interesting to me and makes a lot of sense thanks for all the explanations
[21:23] <gyscos> It seem to be able to survive higher peak current than 1A
[21:24] <iamaustin> interesting, so do they just look at the curve and decide wherever its most efficient is what theyre going to sell it as
[21:25] <gyscos> It apparently can go up to 25A non-repetitive peak current
[21:25] <gyscos> Do you mean how do they settle on the 1A max spec ?
[21:25] <iamaustin> thats off topic i guess, so my last question would be, if i needed to handle 2a from each power source - could i use two of those diodes in series or parallel or would i be better off finding a different diode
[21:25] <iamaustin> gyscos: yes
[21:26] <gyscos> No, 2 in series wouldn't work
[21:26] <gyscos> The 1A comes from sustained average current
[21:27] <gyscos> I'm not sure parallel would work, not sure about that.
[21:27] <iamaustin> because then would that mean it needs .45v x 2
[21:27] <gyscos> You'd probably have to add resistors to split the load, and you'd lose some voltage
[21:27] <iamaustin> even if it did work
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[21:28] <iamaustin> got it, just a hypothetical question. so basically as long as i hook the power sources up in parallel and use a diode between all of them, i can add and remove power sources from the circuit as I need to?
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[21:28] <iamaustin> as long as they are all at 5v and the minimum current is maintained at like 500 or whatever i sneeded for the Pi
[21:29] <gyscos> Look for 1N5820
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[21:29] <gyscos> 0.47V forward drop, 3A current
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[21:30] <iamaustin> that one looks perfect
[21:30] <gyscos> http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/ds23003.pdf
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[21:30] <iamaustin> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Virtuabotix-Five-1N5820-20V-3A-Schottky-Diodes-for-Electronic-Circuits-and-Ma-/321367682872?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad301af38
[21:30] <gyscos> Yup
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[21:31] <iamaustin> so with those, the other statement stands? put one of those suckers in between the + leads for all the sources and im free to add and remove the sources as i need?
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[21:31] <Bilby> 10 ethernet cables
[21:31] <Bilby> *made, ~20 to go
[21:32] <gyscos> Yeah. Just be carefull about the orientation :p
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[21:33] <iamaustin> haha, of the diodes or the +/- leads
[21:33] <gyscos> both :p
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[21:33] <niston`voyage> yay
[21:33] <iamaustin> so about that, which way do diodes get connected? i noticed that most of them have a white stripe towards one side
[21:34] <iamaustin> in your diagram, is that white line the side with the |
[21:35] <gyscos> http://learningplaceonline.blogspot.com/2012/10/introduction-for-diode.html
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[21:35] <iamaustin> probably worth a read
[21:35] <gyscos> So white stripe toward load
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[21:37] <iamaustin> on that page towards the bottom it contrasts pn diodes and schottky
[21:37] <iamaustin> is it implying that pn is used to prevent the flow in one direction, and the schottky is used for something else
[21:39] <gyscos> Na, just different voltage properties
[21:39] <gyscos> I'll be out for lunch. Have fun reading :p
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[21:39] <iamaustin> dude thanks so much
[21:39] <iamaustin> i will :)
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[21:43] <adekto> hi, i have a 2 year old sister and want to slightly start pointing her into computers and some programming, however im from belgium and she wont be able to understand english for the next few years (eductaion system)
[21:43] <adekto> i was wondering is anyone had any ideas where to start for a young child like her?
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[21:44] <Jckf> How capable are 2 year olds anyway?
[21:45] <adekto> iv seen some build ios apps but again only in england and usa
[21:45] <Bilby> eeeh, for that maybe puzzle and sorting games?
[21:45] <Jckf> What?
[21:45] <Bilby> something that teaches the ideas of programming
[21:46] <Bilby> games aimed at little kids
[21:46] <Bilby> to help them learn about programming
[21:46] <adekto> im mainly having iseus with language
[21:46] <Jckf> My image of a 2 year old is a baby in diapers that drools and can't talk
[21:46] <gyscos> adekto, Do you know http://gcompris.net/index-fr.html ?
[21:46] <adekto> im dutch not french
[21:46] <Bilby> Jckf development at age 2 varies radically baby to baby
[21:46] <gyscos> Ow, _that_ part of belgium :p
[21:47] <adekto> main part of belgium is dutch
[21:47] <adekto> exept for brussels
[21:48] <adekto> anyway im like prepared to build a dutch programing language if i have to (bit crazy i know)
[21:49] <gyscos> Scratch is a popular programming environment for kids
[21:49] <gyscos> But it's in english :-/
[21:50] <gyscos> can try that : http://www.robomind.net/nl/
[21:50] <iamaustin> couldnt you just replace the stuff in the compilers lex with the dutch equiv for the words
[21:50] <abnormal> that's good teach them english before they get to school and they pass like geniuses...
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[21:50] <iamaustin> if you wanted to build your own language that is
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[21:51] <adekto> yes i was thinking just that, translating a language like lua to dutch
[21:51] <iamaustin> https://github.com/starbops/MJP/blob/master/mj.l for example that lex along with the yacc file define the entire syntax for minijava, similarly the ones for python are available
[21:51] <gyscos> that's basically what robomind did
[21:51] <iamaustin> ah gotcha
[21:51] <iamaustin> that might be what you want then
[21:52] <adekto> i like to use lua since its very forgiving with its structure
[21:52] <gyscos> I don't speak dutch, so I'm not sure how understandable it is though
[21:52] <adekto> other way i was thinging is a node based thing but idk if thats making the leurning programing worse or better
[21:52] <iamaustin> adekto thats a noble endeavor
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[21:54] <adekto> thank you, i myself grudge the local education system to just not include english till colage and this might be a beter way for the local kids to progress and leurn so stuff instead of arcane books
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[21:55] <iamaustin> definitely, if english isnt understood it would definitely be that much harder to use the functions and keywords of a language
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[21:56] <iamaustin> the dutch word for if is indien?
[21:57] <iamaustin> and return terugkeer, that would be interesting to see around the internet - examples in foreign languages
[21:57] <adekto> i would use "is"
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[21:58] <_marto_> Hello
[21:59] <adekto> if variable == true dan
[21:59] <adekto> is*
[21:59] <adekto> makinf it not to much to write aswel
[21:59] <adekto> there actuay minute changes
[22:00] <adekto> small*
[22:01] <_marto_> Is it possible to power two PIs using an USB hub? I'd like to have just one power adapter (HUB), and power PIs using micro-usb connectors to the hub
[22:01] <nid0> if the hub outputs enough power, sure
[22:01] <pksato> why not use psu with 2 usb?
[22:02] <adekto> look for one that can charge multiple devices, usualy a good one
[22:02] <_marto_> I've seen some hubs with 2A, I think that it should be enough to power two PIs, right?
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[22:03] <nid0> yeah. as pksato says though, unless you're planning on using the hub as a hub as well as a power source though, you could just use a multi usb plug
[22:04] <pksato> if use use, you lost two usefull usb port, and only one rpi can be connected to use hub.
[22:04] <_marto_> I just need it as a power source. Both PIs will be doing some multimedia stuff at home
[22:05] <_marto_> I've seen this: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pihub
[22:05] <adekto> what os would you recomend for a 2 year old btw? (pi)
[22:05] <_marto_> But sadly, it is not available for my country
[22:05] <pksato> or, get twu cheap usb extension and buid a Y cable.
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[22:05] <nid0> all you need is something like a http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Ports-USB-Wall-Mains-Charger-Power-Adapter-For-iPad-2-3-Mini-iPhone-3-4S-5-UK-/171509938519
[22:06] <abnormal> best way is to give pi its own PSU then have the USB POWERED hub supply all the extras. _marto_
[22:06] <adekto> i think amazon sell somthing like those
[22:07] <abnormal> Best Buy has the best ones, made by Belkin...
[22:07] <abnormal> Even Staples has them...
[22:07] <nid0> so does just about everywhere else
[22:07] <_marto_> I'm trying to avoid using two PSUs
[22:08] <abnormal> All my pi's have two PSUs... period.... for the safety of the pi.
[22:09] <_marto_> Thanks for the info nid0. Is it safe to use one of those?
[22:09] <pksato> or two micro usb cable to build a Y cable.
[22:09] <nid0> ofc if you make sure you use a decent one, the same applies to using a hub or any other psu though
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[22:11] <Encrypt> abnormal, The best way is to buy an ICY Dock \o/
[22:11] <Encrypt> abnormal, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg
[22:11] <Encrypt> I had a look the other day at the power supply
[22:11] <Encrypt> 12V / 3A
[22:11] <Encrypt> :D
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[22:11] <Encrypt> That is 36W
[22:12] <adekto> are there any screens that use the display conector?
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[22:14] <abnormal> yeh, seen that pic before... I have a Rosewill hard drive dock too...
[22:14] <pksato> adekto: only on some lab bench.
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[22:14] <adekto> lab bench?
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[22:22] <pksato> adekto: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=64041
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[22:25] <adekto> what i gather is hopefully next year?
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[22:26] <shiftplusone> adekto, yup
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[22:26] <abnormal> by then maybe Model C will be out....
[22:26] <adekto> lol
[22:26] <shiftplusone> heh... model c. I'm pretty sure Eben said that the B+ is the last iteration of the original pi.
[22:27] <abnormal> never know.... public is looking for more pi's....
[22:27] <adekto> so next version might eb different pi flavor?
[22:27] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, I also heard that Star Wars N°6 was the last film of the Saga
[22:27] <Encrypt> As well as n°3
[22:28] <nefarious> We need key lime pie, since android never took the name
[22:28] <Encrypt> And...
[22:28] <Encrypt> :D
[22:29] <Llamageddon> I'm trying to configure my B+ to connect to WiFi with only SD card access(I can't ssh, I don't have a display), but it seems to not be working. I tried following the docs and few guides, but it just doesn't work. There aren't even any logs to me work off
[22:29] <Llamageddon> Does anyone have any idea, perhaps?
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[22:31] <pksato> Llamageddon: wifi adapter are supported?
[22:31] <Llamageddon> When I checked it was, yes
[22:31] <Jckf> Llamageddon: What have you done so far? There are only two files you need to edit to have the Pi connect to a wireless network, IIRC.
[22:31] <Llamageddon> Yeah, I edited said two files. I tried putting the WiFi network info in both wpa_supplicant.conf and in interfaces
[22:32] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon, oh... good point... we never really asked which adapter you're using
[22:32] <Jckf> Let me show you how I've set mine up. Hang on.
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[22:32] <shiftplusone> they don't all work out of the box
[22:32] <pksato> if use wpa2 psk, just need to create entry on /etc/network/interface on root partition of sd card
[22:32] <Llamageddon> WNA100M
[22:32] <Jckf> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ote1djbsbv2n0w/Screenshot%202014-12-30%2022.32.43.png?dl=0
[22:33] <Llamageddon> 1000*
[22:33] <Llamageddon> Not hundred
[22:33] <Jckf> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7a9ndi93kt62emx/Screenshot%202014-12-30%2022.33.21.png?dl=0
[22:33] <Llamageddon> Jckf: What does manual mean?
[22:33] <Jckf> Those are my files
[22:33] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon, do you know what chipset that has?
[22:33] <pksato> some time is more quick to solve this type of issue of connecte a monitor+keyboard
[22:34] <shiftplusone> according to google, RTL8188CUS
[22:34] <Llamageddon> Well, I do not have a monitor that can be connected to my Pi
[22:34] <shiftplusone> which, if I recall correctly, doesn't work out of the box and actually requires you to compile it yourself
[22:34] <Llamageddon> Eh, what
[22:34] <Llamageddon> :/
[22:34] <shiftplusone> But as far as logs go, you can't even get dmesg.last or whatever it's called?
[22:35] <Llamageddon> It's not updated
[22:35] <Llamageddon> Apparently
[22:35] <pksato> check vid and pid on you "big" computer.
[22:35] <Jckf> I have a 8188EU based USB dongle, and it required a special driver
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> fun
[22:35] <shiftplusone> know how to cross compile the kernel?
[22:35] <Llamageddon> No
[22:35] <Jckf> It's available pre-compiled on the forum though
[22:35] <shiftplusone> fun
[22:35] <Llamageddon> Also, my PC is slow
[22:36] <Llamageddon> I would expect 8h+ kernel compile times
[22:36] <abnormal> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=49870&p=387391
[22:37] <abnormal> Jckf, see link above ^
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[22:37] <shiftplusone> eu and cus are not the same module, I think
[22:37] <Jckf> abnormal: My WiFi is working. It's Llamageddon that is having problems.
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[22:38] <abnormal> ok then let him know.... also ===> https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu
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[22:38] <Llamageddon> Ehhh
[22:38] <Llamageddon> How can I compile stuff on my Pi without access to it? :/
[22:38] <Jckf> That's the driver I'm using. lwfinger has a thread on the forums where he keeps pre-compiled updated kernel modules
[22:39] <abnormal> hook it up to a lappy
[22:39] <shiftplusone> abnormal, where does he claim that it's the rtl8192cu driver? (which I think is what he needs)
[22:39] <shiftplusone> aye, I think it's best to confirm the actual required module and that it's not there to start with.
[22:39] <abnormal> beats me, just watching the convesation and doing my best to help?
[22:40] <shiftplusone> google says rtl8192cu
[22:40] <abnormal> sorry
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[22:40] <Llamageddon> Truthfully, I still don't know what to do :C
[22:40] <shiftplusone> nothing wrong with that, abnormal. I think I misread what you said.
[22:41] <sla_erick> Llamageddon have you looked at Cross Compiling?
[22:41] <abnormal> can you purchase a Ourlink wifi from Adafruit.com?
[22:41] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon, don't worry, top men are on it.... top men.
[22:41] <Llamageddon> Well, cross compiling is probably possible, but both my internet and my PC are extremely slow
[22:41] <Llamageddon> It would take ages
[22:42] <Llamageddon> Assuming I figured out what to do
[22:42] * keiko is now known as keiko_elsewhere
[22:42] <Llamageddon> And no, I can't buy more stuff, at least not now u.u
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[22:42] <sla_erick> what are you trying to compile?
[22:42] <shiftplusone> I think rtl8192cu might already be there, but I can't check right now.
[22:43] <shiftplusone> wait... sure I can... just run modprobe... sec.
[22:43] <shiftplusone> nope.... doesn't seem to be there.
[22:43] <Llamageddon> Is there any good reason why Raspbian maintainers wouldn't just include all the available drivers?
[22:43] <Jckf> I have this file /lib/modules/3.12.35+/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtl8192cu/8192cu.ko
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[22:44] <abnormal> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6256
[22:44] <shiftplusone> hmm
[22:44] <shiftplusone> well, I give up then.
[22:45] <abnormal> niston, PING
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[22:46] <Llamageddon> Jckf: I have that file too
[22:46] <Llamageddon> And my internet died. Probably back now
[22:47] <shiftplusone> Llamageddon, invest in a 3.3v serial adpater.
[22:47] <Llamageddon> What's that?
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[22:48] <shiftplusone> something like this http://www.adafruit.com/product/70
[22:48] <shiftplusone> but cheaper and off ebay
[22:48] <shiftplusone> basically, plug it into your pc and the other end to a few gpio pins and you have the console.
[22:48] <Llamageddon> Eh
[22:49] <Llamageddon> Not gonna happen
[22:49] <Llamageddon> Probably wouldn't even if I did live in the US
[22:49] <Llamageddon> I'd rather compile the driver
[22:49] <Llamageddon> If I knew how to...
[22:49] <abnormal> what are you using now?
[22:50] <Llamageddon> I have that WNA1000M USB thingy, and I used a raspbian image from few days ago
[22:50] <abnormal> ok min...
[22:51] <Llamageddon> Eh
[22:51] <Llamageddon> The script on http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6256 is 1400 lines long
[22:51] <Llamageddon> As if I know how to translate that into crosscompiling or w/e :(
[22:51] <Llamageddon> Anyway, I'm very hungry, gonna go afk for a bit
[22:52] <abnormal> ttyr this: ====> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6256
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[22:58] <shiftplusone> it's unclear at this point if you even need to compile anything
[22:59] <shiftplusone> the linked threads are from 2012
[22:59] <Llamageddon> shiftplusone: To me everything is unclear n.n
[22:59] <shiftplusone> which is why a display or serial adapter would be great.
[22:59] <Llamageddon> Eh, probably would be
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[22:59] <abnormal> ok the easiest way to fix it is to buy the ourlink dongle... period....
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[23:09] <niston> how to get access to broadcom datasheets?
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[23:09] <niston> BCM53124SKMMLG in particular
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[23:09] <shiftplusone> heh
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[23:10] <shiftplusone> Contact broadcom with a business plan, I suppose.
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[23:10] <shiftplusone> I could ask the ex broadcom people when they're in the office, but that's the impression I get.
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[23:11] <niston> hmmm
[23:11] <barfoo365> Hi all, my Raspbian usb install just died on me. Looking on the 8gb USB stick I can see that it is full, how can I identify what is taking up the space so I can free it up?
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[23:14] <samB__> Ordered my first Pi with a Camera :D
[23:14] <shiftplusone> barfoo365, uninstall wolfram-engine
[23:15] <ShorTie> barfoo365, apt-get clean and l@@k in /var/log for any compressed files + ^^^
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[23:17] <niston> shiftplusone: bcm seems kinda fussy in this respect
[23:17] <niston> can buy the chips but not see the datasheet ;(
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[23:17] <shiftplusone> no disagreement there, they're not set up to deal with us plebs.
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[23:19] <ShorTie> probily get the data sheets free if you buy 2 gazillion chips
[23:20] <niston> I think mouser should source the datasheet
[23:20] <shiftplusone> ask again after the fifth so I remember to poke the relevant people and see if they can hook you up.
[23:20] <niston> right :)
[23:21] <shiftplusone> niston, what are you doing with it?
[23:21] <niston> switching ethernet
[23:21] <niston> well, SGMII
[23:21] <niston> to SFPs
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[23:22] <shiftplusone> yeah, I got that, but I mean... what's the overall end goal here?
[23:22] <niston> managed OEO repeater
[23:22] <niston> powered by raspberry pi
[23:22] <shiftplusone> CM or regular pi?
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[23:22] <niston> CM
[23:23] <shiftplusone> excellent, that will be easier to 'sell'.
[23:23] <niston> i c ;)
[23:23] <ShorTie> you sure are trying to use that thing
[23:24] <niston> I think the SGMII lanes of the SFPs could just be hooked together
[23:24] <Encrypt> Wut?
[23:24] <niston> but if there was a configurable switch chip in between
[23:24] <Encrypt> Really? (O.o)
[23:24] <niston> the possibilities would be endless
[23:24] <Encrypt> niston, What is its speed?
[23:24] <niston> 10/100/1000
[23:24] <Encrypt> Gigabit :O
[23:25] <Encrypt> niston, How did you manage to do so?
[23:25] <niston> yep
[23:25] <shiftplusone> samB__, so what's the plan for the new pi?
[23:25] <niston> I didn't
[23:25] <Encrypt> Are there pins allowing to do so?
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[23:25] <Encrypt> Oh
[23:25] <niston> nono
[23:25] <niston> the Pi will just be used to talk to the I2C interfaces on the SFPs
[23:25] <niston> read monitoring data
[23:25] <Encrypt> Oh, ok
[23:25] <niston> and -if theres a switch chip- to configure the switching engine
[23:25] <niston> presumably also by I2C
[23:26] <niston> you see, in WDM systems sometimes you need to change wavelenght (lambda)
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[23:27] <niston> so you have an optical MUX/DEMUX where you get one "color" out, use an according SFP to convert to electrical, joined to yet another to convert back to fiber at the desired output wavelenght
[23:27] <samB__> shiftplusone: I decided to start really simple and plan to build a basic camera to put in front of my house and stream it to my pc, it seems pretty simple to do but I thought that would be a fun way for me to get to grips with how things work :)
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[23:28] <samB__> I hope to get more adventurous with time though
[23:28] <shiftplusone> samB__, excellent. Try to make sure moisture doesn't get inside... otherwise it will just fog up all the time =(
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[23:29] <samB__> shiftplusone: Good point! I’ll see if I can find something suitable to store everything in, it comes with a case but I’m not sure how suitable that will be. I guess I could also cheat for now and put it next to the window :)
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[23:30] <shiftplusone> I think Davespice has the camera in a pretty decent, weatherproof enclosure, but it did start to fog easily after a while
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[23:33] <samB__> hmm..that could be an issue I’ll have a look around the web and see if I can find any solutions
[23:35] <shiftplusone> maybe poke Davespice when he's on. Maybe he has resolved the issue. If I recall correctly, he used a hair drier to get the moisture out.... don't know if the problem has returned yet.
[23:36] <samB__> Thanks for the tip I’ll be sure to do that!
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[23:40] <samB__> I’m going to keep my setup basic but I came across some really interesting projects that could also tilt the camera remotely, I would love to get to that stage some day
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[23:54] <Bilby> all righty, there's 25 14" Cat 5e cables made
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[23:58] <willmore> Colorblind, Bilby?
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