#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-01-04

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[1:11] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone here use piplay? my launching atari it showed that it was using software emulation. i switched that to opengl and it seems to work now....but i'm just curious if this is a normal step. i couldn't find anything saying i should do this so i'm really curious
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[1:31] <SkyNetGlobal> Is it possible for the B+ to have 2 mac addresses? I am trying to give one a static IP address using mac filtering. On my Billion 7800VDOX router, I have created a "rule" for mac address filtering to a fixed IP address. When connected thru ethernet, my router gives it mac address "a" but when connected thru wifi. it gives mac address "b" - any ideas?
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[1:37] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: well they're two separate network interfaces, they *must* have different macs
[1:38] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: what you probably want is to bond the two interfaces, and give the bonded interface a single ip address. then you can set it up for automatic failover when you plug/unplug the ethernet. I do this on all my laptops :)
[1:38] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: and your router doesn't give mac addresses, they're programmed into the network device at the factory
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[1:53] <SkyNetGlobal> Triffid_Hunter - you have given me some clarity! For clarification, are you saying the B+ has 2 network interfaces, and chooses one or the other depending on the connection method - ethernet or wifi?
[1:53] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: no. I'm saying that the ethernet is one network interface, it has a mac address. The wifi is a separate network interface, it has a different mac address
[1:54] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: there's no choosing going on, there's simply two completely separate interfaces that have nothing to do with each other apart from being connected to the same system, and whatever you tell the kernel to do with them
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[1:55] <SkyNetGlobal> OK - each interface has its own mac, so the B+ device actually has 2 mac addresses?
[1:56] <Triffid_Hunter> yes
[1:56] <SkyNetGlobal> Ah ha - I never knew that - now I am SO less confused! Thank you
[1:57] <Triffid_Hunter> you're welcome :)
[1:58] <SkyNetGlobal> Bonding the 2 interfaces together - is that easy? I am a bit of a n0ob
[2:00] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: then it will be challenging but rewarding :)
[2:00] <Triffid_Hunter> with bonded interfaces, I can pull the ethernet and go for a walk and at worst I get a half-second glitch in streaming video
[2:00] <IT_Sean> SkyNetGlobal: every network device (wifi card or dongle, ethernet card or dongle, etc...) has it's own, unique, MAC address. i.e. the raspi itself doesn't have a MAC address, but, it's ethernet adapter does! As does your wifi dongle. A Model A, which has no network onboard, doesn't have a MAC address.
[2:00] <IT_Sean> Just trying to clarify.
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[2:01] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, you could plug 300 network interfaces into something and they'd each have their own mac.. doesn't mean the system has 300 macs, just that it has 300 interfaces, and each interface has a mac ;)
[2:02] <SkyNetGlobal> so because the B+ has 2 interfaces - one for wifi and one for ethernet, it has 2 mac addresses?
[2:02] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: you gotta stop thinking that the system has multiple macs. it doesn't have any. what it has is network interfaces, and every network interface comes with a preprogrammed mac from the factory
[2:03] <IT_Sean> The B+ only has wifi if you add a wifi dongle. The Pi itself has NO MAC address. Each NETWORK INTERFACE DEVICE, however, does have one. So, if you have a WiFi dongle, and an ethernet adapter (built in to the B+), you have two MAC addresses to deal with.
[2:03] <SkyNetGlobal> what I meant was that because the device has 2 interfaces, it has 2 macs - right? one mac for each of its interfaces?
[2:04] <IT_Sean> Each INTERFACE has a MAC.
[2:04] <IT_Sean> the MAC is "in" the network adapter.
[2:04] <IT_Sean> ... so, if you unplug the wifi dongle and move it to a new Pi, the MAC moves with the Dongle.
[2:04] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: you can look at it that way if you like, but it leads to confusion.. it's far simpler and less confusing to think of each interface having a mac.. if you unplug the wifi dongle and stick it in your laptop, the wifi interface will still have the exact same mac
[2:05] <IT_Sean> So, lets say the MAC address is 11:11:11:11. That dongle will have that MAC no matter what machine you plug it in to. the MAC moves with the dongle. It's hard coded into the dongle.
[2:07] <IT_Sean> MAC addresses are unique to each network device, are hard coded into the device at the time of manufactur, and identify both the manufacturer of the deivce and the device itself, in addition to their use for packet delivery routing.
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[2:08] * IT_Sean used to code MACs into devices as part of his job at $job.old
[2:09] <SkyNetGlobal> That explains why, when I change wifi aerials - I have 3 - I get 3 different mac addresses! OK - I think I've got it now - thanks Triffid_Hunter and IT-Sean. Are there any good tutorials for interface bonding?
[2:09] <Triffid_Hunter> SkyNetGlobal: umm then it's not an aerial, it's the whole wifi adapter
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[2:09] <IT_Sean> Just for gits and shiggles... what's the MAC of your wifi device?
[2:10] <SkyNetGlobal> Sorry, it should have read IT_Sean!
[2:10] <IT_Sean> Quite alright.
[2:10] <Triffid_Hunter> the aerial/antenna merely converts a rapidly varying voltage into EM waves, it's just a bit of wire of a specific length
[2:11] <SkyNetGlobal> For the B+ using wifi, the mac currently is this: 00:87:33:51:0a:4d
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[2:13] <IT_Sean> If you were to pull that device out and plug it into another machine, you should see the SAME MAC (unless you've devined your own software defined mac to override the hardware one)
[2:13] <pksato> interface bonding are used on high level ethernet infrastructure. and need a specialized switch/bridge/router/etc. What you want to bonding and rpi?
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[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> fwiw, don't ever abuse the power of soft-mac to put two devices with the same mac on one network segment, your router will become horribly confused
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> pksato: I use bonding on my laptop to auto-failover between wifi and ethernet without dropping any connections
[2:14] <Triffid_Hunter> it's not only for high-end network infrastructure :)
[2:15] <pksato> you have a high-end network infrastructure :)
[2:16] <Triffid_Hunter> pksato: lol, auto-failover for a common laptop is high end now? what do you call 10GigE backplanes and similar?
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[2:17] <goglosh> yay the goglosh operating system can now draw colors on the screen
[2:17] <pksato> sorry, forget it.
[2:18] <SkyNetGlobal> IT_Sean, that was confusing me. I have 3 pi running 3 different programs - one on each pi - OpenSprinkler, OpenELEC and MinePeon - and every time I moved the WiFi adapter from one to the other, the mac address moved to that new pi. Now I see the mac address is attacehd to teh wifi adapter. The same was for the other 2 wifi adapters - when I moved them around, the mac address moved with the adapter. So now I understand!
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[2:24] <giddles> is something to knew about some usb harddrive @ pi b+? i have heard i need a flashdisk to boot the hdd
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[2:31] <Triffid_Hunter> giddles: raspberry pi boots from the SD card, can't change that. whatever you put on the SD card can subsequently chain-load an external hard drive if you like, but if there's no SD card it won't start at all
[2:31] <pksato> giddles: raspberry pi (A, A+, B, B+) dont have a onboard memory to store firmware. firmware are stored on sd card. To boot OS from hdd, need a SD card to store firmware, and OS loader or OS kernel.
[2:33] <giddles> ah ok
[2:33] <giddles> nix
[2:33] <giddles> ehm nice
[2:33] <giddles> is something to think of the hdd? could i buy everything
[2:33] <giddles> thats external and usb 3.0?
[2:34] <ApolloJustice> giddles, and powered, or with a powered hub
[2:34] <giddles> of cause ;)
[2:34] <pksato> RPI not have a ATA interface, need to be a external USB 2.0 HDD.
[2:36] <Triffid_Hunter> also, the RPi is pretty slow, don't expect much disk performance
[2:37] <pksato> hdd with usb 3.0 work as usb 2.0 on RPi.
[2:37] <giddles> hehe everythings better als flashdrive
[2:37] <Triffid_Hunter> I plugged one of my disks into the RPi, only gave about 1MB/s over the network :/
[2:38] <Triffid_Hunter> same disk gives 150MB/s on my laptop's e-sata ;)
[2:38] <giddles> i installed raspbian and make update & upgrade, motion and fswebcam on it, i use 6GB? :-)
[2:40] <giddles> im quite surprised about wifi connectivity and it runs quite fast 640kb/s
[2:40] <pksato> it can be more fast what HDD http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/11/08/using-the-raspberry-pi-to-read-floppy-disks-raspberrypi-piday-raspberrypi/
[2:41] <giddles> hm
[2:41] <giddles> i wanna run motion on 2 usb and one noir cam
[2:41] <giddles> could one pi handle that?
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[2:44] <SpeedEvil> USB cameras are a major problem.
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> They do not typically play well together
[2:44] <giddles> both work
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> at the same time?
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[2:44] <giddles> i only use some fswebcam
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[2:47] <giddles> hm
[2:47] <giddles> are more than two or three noir cams possible? for motion detecting
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[2:50] <pksato> If I recall, need some wiring hack on B+ to put two camera module to work.
[2:50] <giddles> hmk
[2:52] <ozzzy_> just build a '2 camera board' and write drivers for it for the Pi
[2:54] <giddles> hehe im a windows dau ;)
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[3:32] <skyroveRR> IS there a way to download the raspberry pi kernel source other than git?
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[3:35] <Xark> skyroveRR: You mean like the "Download Zip" option on https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux ?
[3:36] <skyroveRR> Xark: yes, because whenever I try to clone the repo, it fails.
[3:36] <Xark> skyroveRR: Ok, then download the zip?
[3:36] <skyroveRR> Ok.
[3:36] <skyroveRR> But is it compressed?
[3:37] <Xark> skyroveRR: I would assume so (very rare for a ZIP to not be compressed). :)
[3:37] <skyroveRR> I meant in a way similar to tar.bz2/tar.xz files provided by the vanilla kernel.
[3:37] <Xark> skyroveRR: You should have "unzip" (or can easily install it).
[3:38] <Xark> skyroveRR: I think it will be pretty much the same when unzipped.
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[3:40] <skyroveRR> Xark: ok, I'll download it.
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[3:54] <Salvakiya> I have a question!
[3:55] <Salvakiya> I want to build a bot that will check if my door is opened and take a picture of anyone entering the room
[3:55] <Salvakiya> entering/leaving*
[3:55] <Salvakiya> what components would I need to get this going?
[3:55] <Hawson> camera would be useful
[3:55] <Salvakiya> I know python and I was planning on the program being written in python
[3:55] <Salvakiya> Hawson yes =P
[3:56] <Salvakiya> Hawson, also a Raspberry pi which I dont have at the moment
[3:56] <Hawson> depending on how good your image detection is, that may be all you need
[3:56] <Salvakiya> Hawson I was thinking about using a light detector because my room is very dark
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[3:56] <Hawson> you could rig up some sort of contact switch in the door
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[3:57] <Hawson> magnets or something (that's how home security systems often work)
[3:57] <IT_Sean> Why bother? Just run motion detection w/ the cam?
[3:57] <Salvakiya> Hawson, I could but I would be running wire quite a distance.
[3:57] <Hawson> IT_Sean: there could be lots of extraneous noise in the image.
[3:57] <Salvakiya> IT_Sean, I could but I am not that fluent with python
[3:57] <Salvakiya> and that ^ XD
[3:58] <Hawson> there are some camera tools out there that handle most of the motuon detection stuff pretty well.
[3:58] <Salvakiya> I also want an audio in and out.
[3:58] <Hawson> I'd start there
[3:58] <IT_Sean> Python is pretty easy to learn, and i'd recommend it. If you are going to be working with external tirggers, it'll come in handy.
[3:58] <Hawson> so, you're either going to need a really big speaker and a parabolic mic,
[3:58] <Hawson> or a bunch of long wires
[3:59] <IT_Sean> you are, at some point, gonna need some basic python.
[3:59] <Salvakiya> Hawson my speaker does not need to be too loud
[3:59] <Salvakiya> IT_Sean, I know basic python
[3:59] <Hawson> is it playing at the door location?
[3:59] <Salvakiya> Hawson no
[3:59] <Salvakiya> it can be played anywhere in the room
[3:59] * Hawson notes wire is cheap
[4:00] <Salvakiya> thats true
[4:00] <Salvakiya> the mic however needs to be able to pickup what the individual says
[4:00] <Hawson> that'll cost more than the RasPi
[4:01] <Salvakiya> anything like the built in laptop mic's should work
[4:01] <Hawson> anyhow, for taking pics, I'd just do the motion detection thing first, and constantly buffer the images, discarding them as needed
[4:01] <Salvakiya> in the program I will have it void input until it is finished speaking
[4:01] <Hawson> saving only the ones you need
[4:01] <Hawson> err...laptoip mics kinda suck most of the time
[4:02] <Hawson> I hope the room is quiet
[4:02] <Salvakiya> ya its true but I just need speech recognition to work
[4:02] <Salvakiya> and yes it is very quiet
[4:02] <Salvakiya> all the time
[4:02] <Hawson> err...does the Pi have the CPU power to do speech recognition?
[4:02] <Hawson> (I honestly don't know)
[4:02] <Salvakiya> it should
[4:02] <Salvakiya> it does not cost that much
[4:02] <Salvakiya> cost that much cpu*
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[4:04] <Salvakiya> Hawson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EucxVToC58E
[4:04] <Hawson> spiffy.
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[4:04] <Hawson> I may have to build that into my emulator system. :-)
[4:04] <Hawson> "Let player 1 win"
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[4:26] <Salvakiya> Hawson, do you reccomend Raspbian?
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[4:33] <Hawson> Salvakiya: I recommend whatever you like.
[4:34] <Hawson> that's debian based, if you like it.
[4:34] <Hawson> I run it on a few systems.
[4:34] <Salvakiya> I have only dabbled in Mint and Ubuntu
[4:34] <Hawson> I like arch, but it's much different
[4:34] <ozzzy> I installed Raspbian when I bought the Pi.... never tried anything else
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[4:39] <Salvakiya> Hawson, Ozzzy, is 85 dollars a good deal for.. Raspberry pi B+, usb wifi, power supply, 4gb sd card, HDMI cable, Plastic Raspberry pi B+ case
[4:39] <ozzzy> saline, sounds ok to me
[4:39] <ozzzy> I don't have a B+
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[4:48] <goglosh> slj
[4:48] <goglosh> sorry. sounds like a good deal
[4:48] <SpeedEvil> Hawson: not very great
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[4:48] <SpeedEvil> $2+$4+$2+$1+$3 total.
[4:48] <SpeedEvil> maybe $15 or so of stuff
[4:49] <Hawson> SpeedEvil: hmm?
[4:49] <Hawson> what's not great?
[4:51] <Hawson> Salvakiya: I'm putting together almost the same stuff as you
[4:51] <Hawson> B+, wifi, case, power, SD card, HDMI cable.
[4:51] <Hawson> $72.44
[4:51] <Hawson> no camera
[4:51] <Hawson> and I've got $10 in game controllers. :)
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[4:56] <goglosh> that reminds me
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[4:56] <goglosh> I saw a generic joystick the other day that said it worked for windows and mac
[4:57] <goglosh> and I wondered if they didn't just omit linoox because so few people use it
[4:57] <goglosh> or if it seriously lacks the driver for a generic joystick
[4:57] <CoJaBo> goglosh: They probably literally haven't ever heard of it.
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[4:57] <goglosh> lol you think?
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[4:58] <goglosh> I've already met a few people who never heard of linux before so...
[4:58] <CoJaBo> I had to call a smartcard place once, asking if they by chance had linux drivers.
[4:59] <CoJaBo> "Windows or Mac?" "Linux." "Is that Mac?" "No, Linux." "What version of Windows is that, 7?" "..."
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[4:59] <goglosh> lol, wow
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[5:00] <goglosh> you should have sait buntu
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[5:01] <goglosh> (even if it isn't ubuntu you're using)
[5:01] <goglosh> maybe the guy had heard of it
[5:01] <CoJaBo> lol
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[5:02] <goglosh> just imagine if you were using plan9 :P
[5:03] <Hawson> heh
[5:03] <Hawson> I know a commercial product that actually uses Plan 9 under teh hood.
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[5:05] <goglosh> :O which one?
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[5:06] <Hawson> goglosh: some of the storage systems from Coraid
[5:07] <goglosh> coraoid
[5:07] <goglosh> never heard of it
[5:07] <Hawson> you've heard of iSCSI?
[5:07] <goglosh> nope
[5:08] <Hawson> ah well, nevermind. :)
[5:08] <Hawson> They sell enterprise storage systems.
[5:08] <goglosh> oh tcp ip thing
[5:08] <Hawson> leave it at that
[5:08] <goglosh> yeah I better :P
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[5:34] <seitensei> How does a USB-TTL cable work with the pi
[5:34] <seitensei> One of these: https://www.adafruit.com/product/954
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[5:39] <qdk> seitensei: Connect it to the right pins and put the USB part into your PC and see the RPi boot up.
[5:40] <seitensei> I see
[5:40] <qdk> seitensei: Start a serial terminal on your PC to see the booting in action.
[5:41] <qdk> seitensei: And you can interact with it as if you had a monitor and a keyboard connected to the RPi.
[5:41] <seitensei> Ah, so it gives me access to shell
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[5:41] <seitensei> just like ssh?
[5:42] <Lartza> seitensei, It runs a TTY on the serial
[5:42] <qdk> seitensei: Similar to ssh, yeah.
[5:42] <seitensei> TTY on serial, that make more sense, actually
[5:44] <Lartza> Yeah it's configured on /etc/inittab just like any other terminal
[5:44] <Lartza> At least on most RPi distros
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[5:45] <Lartza> Arch might be the only one not having it (and of course OpenELEC etc.)
[5:45] <qdk> seitensei: But when you have SSH as an option it would probably be better to use that... Better in stuff like speed and security (not that you see that many serial hacking attempts on a 1m long wire) :-)
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[5:45] <Lartza> qdk, Yeah I would argue SSH is less secure unless he uses keys :P
[5:45] <Lartza> But serial is not optimal yeah unless you can't use anything else
[5:46] <seitensei> people use SSH without keys?
[5:46] <Lartza> seitensei, Guilty :)
[5:46] <Lartza> It's too hard! Have to do it on my phone and windows and everything :/
[5:46] <Lartza> :D
[5:46] <seitensei> I just don't do it on Windows ^^
[5:46] <Lartza> At least root login is not permitted
[5:47] <qdk> Lartza: I would have to agree with you, since hacking a 1m wire in his home (or whereever) is highly unlikely, where ssh brute force/dictionary attacks DO happen.
[5:47] <Lartza> I use Windows because games :(
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[5:47] <Lartza> Wouldn't want to but what can you do
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[5:47] <Lartza> I satisfy my linux needs with virtual machines, RPi and my servers
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[5:49] <seitensei> Should be nice for running the rpi outside of a network
[5:49] <qdk> Lartza: Windows is just so annoying when being use to an open GUI in Linux... I often catch myself trying to move and resize windows in windows with alt+mouse.
[5:49] <seitensei> lol
[5:49] <seitensei> thanks guys
[5:50] <Lartza> Yeah well, I've used linux on an doff since 2008 but like I said... games
[5:50] <Lartza> :D
[5:50] <Lartza> Oh and it must be 2007 since I remember running Ubuntu 7.04
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[5:51] <qdk> Lartza: Well I have a gaming center, so I dont have to infest my laptop with windows and games to get my gaming needs covered. :-D
[5:52] <Lartza> I don't have a laptop :P
[5:52] <Lartza> Only my desktop
[5:52] <Lartza> I actually have Arch now again on this but I find myself not booting it for weeks
[5:52] <qdk> Lartza: :-( I probably couldnt live without my laptop.
[5:52] <Lartza> Then I end up removing it and then repartitioning again in six months or so
[5:52] <qdk> I do abuse it a bit ->
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[5:53] <Lartza> qdk, Don't leave home
[5:53] <Lartza> :D
[5:53] <qdk> 2898 qdk 20 0 26.8g 725m 155m S 8.3 9.2 360:53.81 chrome
[5:53] <Lartza> Gosh that formatting...
[5:53] <Lartza> :D
[5:53] <qdk> from top... pay attention to the 26.8g
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[5:54] <qdk> qdk@qdk-laptop ~ $ ps auxww | grep -i chrome | wc -l
[5:54] <qdk> 70
[5:55] <qdk> I NEED my laptop with me... So I can find my webpages. :-)
[5:55] <Lartza> Hang on...
[5:55] <Lartza> 26.8 gigabytes?
[5:56] <qdk> yeah.
[5:56] <Lartza> But... how? :D
[5:56] <qdk> And I only have 8G installed, 4G swap.
[5:56] <Lartza> Why does it take so much??
[5:56] <qdk> I have no idea how it does that, but it often crashes coz my lap runs out of memory.
[5:57] <qdk> Lartza: Memleaking webpages I guess.
[5:57] <Lartza> Do you keep over 200 tabs open?
[5:57] <Lartza> :D
[5:57] <Lartza> Mhh
[5:57] <qdk> Lartza: Well often 100+... 70 currently.
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[5:58] <qdk> I like my middle mouse button a lot.
[5:58] <qdk> :-)
[5:58] <qdk> Anyway, a bit too of topic and I should be heading to bed.
[5:59] <Lartza> Mhh
[5:59] <Lartza> I shouldn't have slept in the evening
[5:59] <qdk> off*
[5:59] <Lartza> It's 7 in the morning now
[5:59] <qdk> 6 here.
[5:59] <qdk> Same mistake.
[5:59] <qdk> :-)
[5:59] <qdk> but a productive one.
[5:59] <Lartza> I slept like two hours from eight to almost eleven
[6:00] <qdk> I "saw" some movie...
[6:01] <qdk> Anyway, off to bed.. hf. ;-)
[6:01] <Lartza> Good night
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[6:25] <huleo> hi
[6:26] <huleo> I have old notebook here, serving as basically audio server and router - audio server meaning, playing all I want to home speakers
[6:27] <huleo> would love to use it for something else, tl;dr - replace it with RPi
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[6:28] <huleo> I'm wondering if I can get any unpleasant hiccups/feelings for its lack of performance - for example, how would it handle keeping up home wifi with up to 3-5 active machines, all while playing audio from something like mpsyt - basically cli client for youtube
[6:28] <huleo> hmm
[6:29] <huleo> anyone got RPi with debian handy? mpsyt is in repos, any hint if whether there is are any annoying waits compared to running it on desktop would be welcome
[6:29] <huleo> there are*
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[6:38] <skyroveRR> Xark: I downloaded and extracted the zip file, and then I unzipped it, but after extracting a couple of files, unzip returns an error 'symlink error: File name too long'..
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[6:40] <skyroveRR> Xark: where can I get a direct link to the tar.gz file?
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[7:57] <aum> hi - need advice for choosing an I/O expansion board - requirements are (1) screw terminals, (2) compatible with Pi revision B, (3) min 1 analog in, (4) min 1 PWM out, (5) python libraries available for driving it - any ideaS?
[7:58] <abnormal> buy the PiFace board.
[7:58] <aum> there seem to be dozens of boards available, but they all fall short in one respect or another
[7:58] <aum> abnormal, does the PiFace board meet these requirements?
[7:58] <abnormal> or use an Arduino Uno.
[7:58] <abnormal> Yes
[7:58] <aum> abnormal, so ditch Pi completely?
[7:59] <abnormal> look it up
[7:59] <abnormal> no
[7:59] * aum googles
[7:59] <abnormal> keep the pi
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[8:00] <aum> I've done embedded S/W dev on and off since the 1980s, but am pretty n00bish with the Pi
[8:00] <abnormal> pi is fine... use it... just add the PiFace Daughter board or use the Gertboard
[8:01] <aum> Gertboard looks good, but it seems more for prototyping - no screw terminals
[8:01] <abnormal> the PiFace plugs on top of pi and the Gertboard uses a ribbon cable..
[8:01] <abnormal> PiFace has screw terminals and two relays
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[8:02] <aum> yeah - PiFace looks sweet, but I haven't yet found any mention of analog in or PWM out
[8:02] <abnormal> then use the Arduino Uno
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[8:03] <abnormal> you can code in pi and the pi can flash the Uno to do the tasks.
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[8:04] <abnormal> look in www.parallax.com for the Uno
[8:04] <aum> ok
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[8:04] <aum> looking
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[8:05] <aum> damn shame the PiFace doesn't do analogs or PWMs
[8:05] * aum compares GertBoard and Arduino Uno
[8:05] <abnormal> or you can look in www.newark.com for more involved development boards...
[8:06] <aum> abnormal, no need - my application is simple - controlling a therapy pool
[8:06] <abnormal> ok....
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[8:08] <aum> analog inputs for temperature monitoring, pwm for fade-in lighting, a couple of digital outs for stepper motor control, digital ins for detecting lid movement and sensing pool occupancy and falls
[8:08] <abnormal> so in that case, all you need is a PLC controller, which are in www.newark.com
[8:09] <abnormal> they can run pretty high in price...
[8:10] <aum> i need more than that - need to play audio files, serve a web interface and an API over WLAN, other bits and pieces
[8:10] <abnormal> but worth it for life saving purposes...
[8:10] <aum> oh, also for controlling the heating via an SSR
[8:11] * aum would rather program in Python or C than with ladder diagrams
[8:11] <aum> and, need an LCD touchscreen for the patient
[8:11] <abnormal> I see... so I guess a real good Arduino Mega board would do it.
[8:11] <aum> abnormal, can you suggest any pros/cons of Arduino vs Gertboard
[8:11] <aum> ?
[8:12] <abnormal> or the Arduino Leonardo... No, I do not have the experience of the pros and cons of those, sorry.
[8:13] <aum> no worries - thanks for your suggestions
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[8:14] <abnormal> look in raspberrypi.org and in forums of people who have done those things already.
[8:14] <aum> ok, thanks
[8:14] <abnormal> yw...
[8:15] <abnormal> the Uno is a pretty complex board, it does analog...
[8:16] <abnormal> and there are capes to plug into the Uno to make it quite complex including wireless...
[8:17] <ApolloJustice> shields m8
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[8:17] <ApolloJustice> i have an Uno with a Bluetooth shield stacked on top of a WiFi shield stacked on top of a MotorShield
[8:17] <ApolloJustice> it's a monstrosity
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[8:23] <Elezium> ApolloJustice: Does stacking the shields actually works well?
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[8:24] <ApolloJustice> Elezium, depends on the shields you want to use, if there are components that are higher than the headers you might need extra headers for them to actually connect together
[8:24] <ApolloJustice> but yes, generally it does work well
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[8:28] <Elezium> ApolloJustice: Thanks. it was a general question since I got the Uno 2 days ago, and I might requires some shields at a later time.
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[8:43] <roo79x> hi all how are you all, I am new to linux and just got given a raspberry pi today, I am trying to set it up as a file server and use it for torrenting as well, I have a 3Tb desktop hard drive formatted as ext4 I'd like to use, and have been trying to find an easy noobs guide to set up raspbian so my home directory is on the 3Tb drive and share that to my home network. I have tried a few tutorials but I get lost or confused. Can anyone point me to an ea
[8:44] <roo79x> I have been trying to follow this guide on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5eKBfstpI0
[8:45] <neionz> \o/
[8:45] <MACscr> doh
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[9:07] <shay_shay> hello
[9:07] <shay_shay> looking to buy an alamode
[9:07] <shay_shay> i have a beaglebone black, but I am afraid to really get my hands dirty with it for fear of damaging it
[9:08] <shay_shay> with the alamode I will be able to learn without much of a fear because the chip is replacable
[9:09] * ShorTie sorry, don't know what a alamode is
[9:09] <shay_shay> :O
[9:10] <ApolloJustice> me neither
[9:10] <shay_shay> http://www.makershed.com/products/alamode-for-raspberry-pi
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[9:13] <ShorTie> oh, sortta just a stipped down gert board
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[9:15] <shay_shay> gert board looks good too but overkill for my needs
[9:15] <MACscr> ok, i must be missing something obvious. I keep seeing tutorials for using a pi for openvpn, but without it having a secondary nic, how is that useful? I know im missing something obvious
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[9:15] <shay_shay> MACscr: elaborate
[9:15] <ShorTie> more basically, just a Arduino that plugs directly onto a pi
[9:16] <shay_shay> ShorTie: yeah :P
[9:17] <ShorTie> why not just get an Adruino ??
[9:17] <shay_shay> well because then I would be tethered to a PC all the time,
[9:17] <MACscr> shay_shay: well if my pi is connected to a wan connection and has a public_ip, it then has to connect to a lan switch to actually give access to the lan. Which is pretty much the point of the vpn
[9:17] <ShorTie> once you program it with the pi, you no longer need the pi
[9:18] <ShorTie> tethered to a PC all the time ??
[9:19] <ShorTie> that is what that alamode would do, not a arduino
[9:20] <shay_shay> well no, depending on what I was doing with it it might require networking and human interaction
[9:22] <ShorTie> that could still be thru the pi
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[9:22] <shay_shay> besides I already have an extra pi I am not using, the combination of the two opens doors that either one by themselves doesnt... not unless I go with the higher end arduino models
[9:22] <shay_shay> which would be pointless because I have already invested X amount of dollars in my pi
[9:23] <ShorTie> to me, the alamode limits the posibilities
[9:24] <ShorTie> but it still l@@ks cool, i guess
[9:24] <shay_shay> http://store.arduino.cc/product/A000008
[9:25] <shay_shay> for example this one has wifi built in, with openwrt embedded, and a NIC
[9:25] <ShorTie> that is an all together different thing
[9:25] <shay_shay> but
[9:25] <shay_shay> same problem as using the BBB
[9:25] <ShorTie> which can not be programmed easily from the pi
[9:25] <shay_shay> the chip is not replacable easily
[9:26] <ShorTie> http://store.arduino.cc/product/A000066
[9:26] <shay_shay> no, the yun can be programmed over-the-air from anything
[9:26] <ShorTie> that is more in line of that alamode
[9:26] <ShorTie> and it's chip is replacable too...
[9:27] <plugwash> shay_shay, are you really that prone to frying stuff that the inability to replace chips is a big deal?
[9:27] <shay_shay> if i had a pi connected to the alamode i could program it over the air from anything too, using ssh
[9:27] <ShorTie> and programable by the pi with a usb cable
[9:27] <shay_shay> plugwash: I may be?
[9:27] <ShorTie> same with the uno
[9:28] <ShorTie> same exact way actually
[9:28] <shay_shay> ShorTie: yes with a usb cable but then there would be a cable loop sticking out and the two wont fit together nicely unless I make some bracket with holes drilled for each and then use standoffs
[9:29] <shay_shay> so how is that better
[9:29] * ShorTie thinkz, what ever i give up
[9:30] * plugwash suggests the gertduino
[9:30] <ShorTie> i already did that
[9:31] <ShorTie> if it fits your needs, go for it, l@@ks cool i guess
[9:31] <shay_shay> ShorTie: you said gert board
[9:32] <ShorTie> same thing as gertduino i believe, just a longer/different name
[9:33] <shay_shay> well they are different. similar, maybe
[9:33] <shay_shay> when you said gert board I googled it and saw a huge dinner plate sized thing
[9:34] <shay_shay> then plugwash suggested gertduino and I searched for it and saw a nice compact thing
[9:34] <ShorTie> what, 1 plugs on and the other uses a cable ??
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[9:35] <plugwash> about the only thing the gertboard and gertduino have in common is both have an avr on them and both were designed by gert
[9:35] <ekaj> Are there any Pi OSes that come in an .iso format compatible with vmware?
[9:35] <ShorTie> oh, ok, me sorry
[9:36] * ShorTie goes to hush mode on this subject
[9:36] <shay_shay> <.<
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[9:49] <roo79x> hi I have been following this guide to setup a nas on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5eKBfstpI0 how do I setup a 3Tb desktop hard drive formatted as ext4? in the video he uses ntfs
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[9:54] <shay_shay> once you determine the device name: parted /dev/sdX mklabel gpt && parted /dev/sdX mkpart ext4 1 -1 && mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdX
[9:54] <shay_shay> roo79x: ^
[9:54] <ShorTie> mkdir BlaaBlaa
[9:54] <ShorTie> mount /dev/sdx BlaaBlaa
[9:54] <ShorTie> format skem doesn't matter
[9:59] <roo79x> shay_shay: hi thanks I'm just resetting up the pi as I botched my last attempt. In the video he uses UUID=pasteyourUUIDhere /media/My_Book ntfs-3g defaults,noatime 0 2 do I just change ntfs-3g to ext4?
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[10:00] <shay_shay> well as ShorTie pointed out, thats just an arbritrary mount point, which you decide.
[10:00] <shay_shay> so as long as the directoy exists then yes you can change it in the fstab
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[10:01] <ShorTie> oh, you didn't say you wanted it to automount a specific drive
[10:02] <roo79x> I'm new to linux and the pi so I get confused a bit lol sorry, and thanks for the help
[10:02] <shay_shay> roo79x: i'm not going to watch the video for you, so youll have to formulate actual questions. :P
[10:03] <shay_shay> but if you need to know UUID of your new partition, use "blkid" ... it needs to be run as root
[10:04] <shay_shay> blkid aka "block id"
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[10:06] <roo79x> ok thank you for the help I'll go through the process and if it fails again I'll write down what I did wrong or where it fails and get back to you. I had a friend tell me it is easier to move the pi's home directory to the hard drive is that true?
[10:06] <shay_shay> roo79x: oh my IRC client line wrapped your fstab example weirdly... yes you could make ntfs-3g ext4
[10:06] <shay_shay> but these days the kernel will automatically detect most file systems, so auto works too
[10:07] <ShorTie> that mat not be the best idea, pi may not work real well 'if' that hd not hooked up then
[10:07] <ShorTie> may*
[10:07] <shay_shay> usually auto is used fopr removable disks like optical drives for example when the discs might have different filesystems
[10:08] <shay_shay> s/fopr/for
[10:09] <roo79x> ok thanks be back if I get suck thanks for your time
[10:09] <shay_shay> roo79x: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab
[10:09] <shay_shay> ignore parts about systemd as rasbian doesnt use it (yet)
[10:10] <roo79x> ok will read that also
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[13:16] <roo79x> hi all thanks for the previous help I now have a working pi with a connected desktop hard drive I added ([pidrive] comment = This is the pidrive loaded with EXT4 path = /media/pidrive available = yes read only = no browseable = yes public = yes writable = yes create mask = 0755) to my /etc/samba/smb.conf.. how do I make any/all folders and files writable from any computer?
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[13:46] <shiftplusone> 'morning
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[15:02] <orogor> hi
[15:02] <Collibri> I have some questions regarding HAT and EEPROM-id
[15:03] <orogor> anyone use the pi as a thin client, remote desktop ?
[15:04] <Collibri> I still use an "old" raspberry pi B modell and use the P5 header with a rtc (via the second i2c bus)
[15:04] <orogor> i tried and as i understood there s no protocol which would suez the pi video acceleration thus there s no way to get any good results with it
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[15:18] <knightwise> orogor: I do , i use X forwarding on my heavy linux machine
[15:18] <knightwise> i think heavy video acceleration is not possible , but for standard desktop stuff its pretty ok.
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[15:19] <knightwise> hi cute_korean_girl (and congratulations on chosing a non-obvious nick)
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[15:29] <shiftplusone> Collibri, what's the question
[15:30] <Collibri> it's more than one: 1. is it allowed regarding hat spec to use more than one i2c device at id eeprom bus?
[15:31] <shiftplusone> No, that i2c peripheral is for firmware only
[15:31] <Collibri> 2. ehy is an eeprom required, even another i2c controller can provide this information and do something else otherwise
[15:31] <Collibri> so it's a waste of one i2c bus for setup only?
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[15:32] <shiftplusone> 2. To provide a consistent way for the firmware/kernel to tell what's connected to it. If you can emulate an eeprom using another device, sure, that'll work. Don't know if it will violate the spec, but... the spec is a little vague right now.
[15:32] <Collibri> 3. what happens to that pins after the setup?
[15:33] <shiftplusone> in what sense is it a waste of an i2c bus? It's something that we're only using for the camera right now (there's probing for other devices, but that's irrelevant). If anything, we're utilizing an i2c bus which was not used before.
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[15:34] <Collibri> is use that i2c bus on p5 header of the older B model
[15:34] <shiftplusone> 3. I suspect they'll go into input mode, but I can't say for sure what the final intended behaviour is.
[15:34] <Collibri> to add an rtc and keep all pins of the p2 header for extensions boards untouched
[15:34] <shiftplusone> Collibri, you can, but you're not supposed to. If you try to use it from linux, you have to operating systems competing for the same resource.
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[15:35] <Collibri> competing same resource, as far as i knwo, only the camera module use the i2c-0 bus and only if activated
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[15:36] <Collibri> what kind of resource conflicts do you mean?
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[15:37] <shiftplusone> well, camera specifically, but there's no reason other devices won't use that bus in the future
[15:38] <shiftplusone> basically, anything that needs to use i2c from the firmware will use that bus.
[15:38] <shiftplusone> if you know what you're doing, it's fairly safe to use it from linux, but don't file bug reports when the camera doesn't work or whatever.
[15:38] <Collibri> okay, so for me rtc is part of the firmware
[15:39] <Collibri> yes, I've spent a lot of hours to find the problem with the camera
[15:39] <shiftplusone> no, linux will talk to your rtc.
[15:39] <Collibri> because it's not well documented, how to use p5 header properly
[15:40] <Collibri> if and only if i have the camera module disabled
[15:41] <shiftplusone> Yes, I'm supposed to do the documentation, sorry.
[15:42] <Collibri> no problem at all
[15:42] <shiftplusone> Just to help me out, what information were you expecting to find but couldn't?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> ("all of it" is not a valid answer =P)
[15:43] <Collibri> in short just a note, if you use P5 header you may get conflicts with firmware drivers esp. camera
[15:44] <Collibri> in more detail: P5 header i2c bus cannot be used together with camera driver, even if no camera is actually attached
[15:46] <Collibri> you can either use camera or p5 i2c header, i2c-0 bus is for internal use and not recommended for regular modules/kits
[15:46] <Collibri> something like dies
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[15:46] <Collibri> *this
[15:46] <shiftplusone> short note until you add all the caveats. Don't use I2C0, wait it's I2C1 on older raspberry pis... and here's how you tell the difference between them. But, if you must use I2C0, here's how you can override the thing stopping you from doing it, but wait, that's going to be replaced with device tree. Oh and, really you shouldn't be doing this, but again, if you must, remember to switch alt pin functions back to what you need them to be
[15:46] <shiftplusone> after using the camera.
[15:47] <shiftplusone> And then get messages about how information you've put there is wrong because someone doesn't understand some basic concept which you then need to elaborate on and the short note start to explode into a whole separate page. =P
[15:47] <shiftplusone> I've.... not enjoyed writing documentation in the past, heh. But yeah, it needs to be done.
[15:48] <Collibri> okay, short note, on B models, you can't use i2c unless you have detailed knowledge
[15:49] <Collibri> just a short warning, i think there are enough B models out there to justify a short hint
[15:51] <shiftplusone> Another thing is that we don't have proper gpio documentation at all right now... just how to hook up an LED and such, but nothing that actually covers I2C, SPI and all that.... so there's no place to really put that 'short' warning without writing everything.
[15:51] <Collibri> okay, it was just an idea
[15:52] <shiftplusone> One that has been taken on board and will be acted on. It's just a little further down the todo list than I'd like. =(
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[15:53] <Collibri> i thought a principle was to share experiences with the pi
[15:53] <shiftplusone> yup
[15:54] <Collibri> therefore i gave this ifnormation and ask for the eeprom id - and to be honest -i'm not convinced about the eeprom id design yet
[15:54] <Collibri> it looks unfinished - at best
[15:55] <shiftplusone> It is definitely unfinished.
[15:55] <shiftplusone> Yes, there's a lot of scepticism about the HAT spec. But I also think people are looking at using the spec when they really don't need to and a conventional approach would work just fine.
[15:57] <Collibri> I read some forum entries regarding ideas stackable HATs and was disappointed about the reactions and the ideas, some descriptions are conflicting
[15:57] <shiftplusone> The spec is there to solve a problem that not everybody has. One, it allows people to develop boards which can be plugged in and work automatically. Two, it makes drivers more upstreamable and makes it easier to use upstream drivers. You can describe the connected hardware as a DT fragment and the user doesn't have to go fiddling with kernel source code or trying to beat kernel modules into submission.
[15:57] <Collibri> e.g. unique id in eeprom to distinguish two identical modules
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[15:58] <Collibri> basically i like the principle of HAT, but I dislike the restrictions unnecessarily made
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[15:59] <Collibri> I would prefer a more flexible model, but it's my opinion only
[15:59] <CptJacks> Hello everyone. I have been using a raspberryPi with Xbian for a few months and today the sd card was full.. so i removed files throught the terminal using rm. and the files are gone. but the storage is not freed and now xbmc does not even start. anyone that can help?
[16:00] <CptJacks> the files i removed where video files i put on there myself
[16:00] <shiftplusone> Collibri, voice the concern on the thread if someone hasn't already (and propose a solution). The whole point of releasing the spec before it's final and all the tools are available is to get feedback and make changes. It's not my project, so I don't know much about it, but James Adams keeps an eye on it.
[16:01] <shiftplusone> CptJacks, use du to find what's using the disk space and make sure you're looking at the right filesystem.
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[16:03] <Collibri> Neither I've wrote any HAT driver nor I have ever used a B+ model, so i can't make substantial statements, but the design looks a little awkward to me
[16:04] <CptJacks> shiftplusone, according to du i have a folder thats keeping 8gb of files . and thats correct. however when I delete those files du tells me they are not there anymore. but disk space is not being freed
[16:05] <CptJacks> wow xbmc just booted.. took over 30 minutes to do that.
[16:06] <shiftplusone> sounds like you've got bigger problems than disk space
[16:09] <CptJacks> df tells me. 15gb used of 15gb size.. yet ther eis only 8 gb of files on there when using du
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[16:12] <shiftplusone> skipped hidden files, maybe?
[16:16] <Hawson> CptJacks: what files did you removed?
[16:16] <CptJacks> some music and some videos
[16:16] <Hawson> if they are still open by a process, you won't see them, and the space won't be free until they are closed
[16:17] <CptJacks> located in /var/lib/transmission-daemon/download and /media/music
[16:17] <shiftplusone> good point
[16:17] <CptJacks> i have rebooted the several times I guess that closes the processes?
[16:17] <shiftplusone> fuser should reveal if that's the case, right?
[16:17] <Hawson> shutdown transmission.
[16:17] <shiftplusone> oh, nvrm
[16:17] <Hawson> shiftplusone: yes, that should
[16:17] <Hawson> ...if there are files for fuser to see. :)
[16:17] <Hawson> CptJacks: you can try 'lsof'
[16:18] <CptJacks> did that.. and | grep on DEL and deleted
[16:18] <CptJacks> showed nothing
[16:18] <Hawson> are there any dotfiles in those dirs?
[16:19] <CptJacks> the /media folder contained . .. music radio - before deletion.. now just: . .. radio
[16:19] <Hawson> nothing in 'radio'?
[16:19] <CptJacks> when checked iwth ls -all
[16:19] <Hawson> could be somewhere else
[16:19] <CptJacks> radio folder contains playlist files that open radio streams. .small files
[16:20] <Hawson> this is all one big partition?
[16:20] <CptJacks> idk. its a basic xbian setup
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[16:21] <Hawson> okay
[16:21] <Hawson> try looking elsewhere in /var
[16:21] <Hawson> /var/lib/*
[16:21] <Hawson> /var/log/*
[16:21] <Hawson> also, try /home
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[16:24] <CptJacks> the thing is. when i now remove a file on there.. just like the 2 gb of music i removed before. and i use the rm command to do so. and no space is being freed on the device.
[16:25] <CptJacks> not even after a reboot
[16:25] <shiftplusone> clearly haunted
[16:25] <shiftplusone> or pebcak error somewhere
[16:25] <CptJacks> ive deleted over 5 gb of data from the device using the rm command and the disk usage stays 15/15 gb
[16:26] <CptJacks> lol pebcak xD
[16:26] <CptJacks> cant be that hard right. rm -fr /var/lib/transmission-daemon/downloads/* and reboot
[16:27] <CptJacks> as far as i know it should result in storage space being freed equal to the filesizes of those files in that folder
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[16:33] <Mr_005> Hey Guys. I was wondering what would be the easiest way to make a button or something on a webpage, and when you push the button, a GPIO pin can be activated. The catch is that I want to do this with a site that is not hosted on the Pi. I would think thats doable, right?
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[16:36] <niston> make a webservice on the pi, have the button call the webservice
[16:36] <CptJacks> well thanks to the guys that sincerely wanted to help. I guess I'm going to reinstall xbian, have a good day
[16:37] <Hawson> CptJacks: you shouldn't need to do that
[16:37] <Hawson> you can start at /, and run this until you find the space
[16:37] <Hawson> du -sm *
[16:37] <Hawson> work your way down...
[16:37] <Hawson> also, try runnign fsck on the system.
[16:38] <niston> ooh https://github.com/MightyDevices/MightyHID
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[16:38] <Mr_005> Yeah, this is like exactly what I was looking for, thanks niston!
[16:38] <niston> eh?
[16:38] <niston> ah
[16:38] <niston> yes _:=)
[16:38] <shiftplusone> oh
[16:38] <niston> heheheh
[16:38] <Mr_005> hahaha
[16:39] <shiftplusone> ahm..... hohoho?
[16:39] <Mr_005> -_-
[16:39] <shiftplusone> I'm.... sorry.
[16:39] <Mr_005> =)
[16:40] <CptJacks> Hawson, when i use du -sm * it shows me what I expected. 8gb in /var and all the other files dont even add up to 1 gb. yet the disk usage is 15/15 gb
[16:40] <CptJacks> du -sm * in / shows me that
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[16:41] <CptJacks> it also tells me du cannot access proc/5853/task/5853/fd/4 : no such file or directory and 3 more of those lines.
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[16:44] <CptJacks> also fsck just returns: fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[16:45] <DoctorD90> happy new year guys!
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[16:46] <abnormal> happy new years.....
[16:46] <shiftplusone> Again? Didn't we just have one a few days ago?
[16:46] <abnormal> sure why not?
[16:46] <shiftplusone> Time sure does fly when you're having fun.
[16:47] <abnormal> yup sure does..
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[16:47] <c299792458c> ntpd or openntpd...which do you use?
[16:47] <shiftplusone> ntpd
[16:47] <c299792458c> ugh...can't for the life of me get ntpd to work, considering openntpd
[16:48] <shiftplusone> then openntpd
[16:48] <shiftplusone> (I really don't think it matters, so... use whatever works for you)
[16:49] <c299792458c> haha yes, just seems like a common problem
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[16:51] <CptJacks> ok now for some reason my raspberry pi has 3 gb available. still not the 7~8 it should have available but not sure why
[16:51] <abnormal> I bought a Netgear n150 at a junk store... hooked up to one of my pi's.... heh, it didn't like it... lol... tried it on another pi, same result... so I hooked it up to my beagleblown blast and it loves it.... works really well... only paid 5 bux for it... still had original receipt in box, 34.99....
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[16:53] <MrRick> I'm not able to update my packages. Is there a problem with the repository or is the problem on my end of the pipe?
[16:55] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone: xD yea, but i didnt connect before :) and im a polite person u.u xD
[16:56] <abnormal> shiftplusone, what's the command to do the ca. something?
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[16:58] <abnormal> nvr mind, found it...
[16:58] <Mr_005> MrRick, I am updating right now and it seems fine. Must be a problem with you.
[16:59] <abnormal> MrRick, do this: ===> sudo update-ca-certificates
[16:59] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, being polite? Tried it, didn't care for it. =)
[17:00] <MrRick> abnormal: thanks
[17:00] <shiftplusone> abnormal, command to do what, sorry?
[17:00] <shiftplusone> oh right
[17:00] <CptJacks> no need to say that. i think people have noticed that allready swift
[17:00] <shiftplusone> just read the backlog fully >.>
[17:00] <DoctorD90> xD
[17:04] <MrRick> abnormal: tried your suggestion (I'm running pi headless from here via ssh) and still having problem
[17:04] <shiftplusone> MrRick, pastebin the full output.
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[17:05] <MrRick> shiftplusone: tks, I'll give it a shot
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[17:09] <abnormal> MrRick, it
[17:10] <abnormal> is best to hook up monitor and kybd so you can see what the pi is doing...
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[17:14] <MrRick> Iabnormal: I realize that, but I a cheap sob and didn't want to go out and get a new kb. I'll pick one up tommorrow at work (couple of spares gathering dust I can use)
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[17:15] <MrRick> abnormal: I can see in the remote terminal what is going on
[17:16] <MrRick> shiftplusone: stupid newbie question- I put the snip into pastebin, how do I pas info to you?
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[17:16] <shiftplusone> when you post it to pastebin, you should be able to paste the url
[17:16] <abnormal> ok... just have to smile and grin it... I started out ssh then realised I had to hook monitor to pi to actually see results.
[17:16] <shiftplusone> the end of the url should have random string at the end.
[17:16] <Mr_005> Is there any reason why putty would be giving a bad connection (in and out) after giving the pi a static IP? I did it from the router. And I am definitely using the right ip
[17:17] <MrRick> 'k
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[17:18] <Mr_005> The pings are all over the place
[17:20] <MrRick> shiftplusone: pasted as "Problem_updating_Pi_4Jan2015"
[17:20] <shiftplusone> MrRick, the link should look something like http://pastebin.com/w4hg6L7c
[17:21] <shiftplusone> title alone doesn't help
[17:21] <MrRick> http://pastebin.com/SRS60D1D
[17:22] <shiftplusone> perfect, thanks
[17:22] <shiftplusone> looks like a dns issue.
[17:22] <shiftplusone> are you able to ping google.com from your pi?
[17:24] <MrRick> shiftplusone: I changed router/modem during same time (yes I know do one thing at a time but I have family who want what they want)
[17:24] <MrRick> I'll ck
[17:25] <shiftplusone> also try "ping" and say which of these work.
[17:25] <MrRick> I had originally set up gateway as, now I wonder if I have to change it
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[17:26] <MrRick> neither work, so must not be able to access dns
[17:27] <shiftplusone> well, DNS isn't the issue if you can't even reach an external IP
[17:27] <_Trullo> I'm about to fix a aquarium, can I measure pH and temperature using a raspberry pi?
[17:27] <shiftplusone> so... gateway issue sounds about right.
[17:27] <shiftplusone> _Trullo, temperature, definitely. I don't know how pH sensors work, but I'm sure that should work too.
[17:27] <MrRick> shiftplusone: thanks, issue is on my end, so I can try different things. thanks
[17:28] <shiftplusone> good luck
[17:28] <abnormal> yes you can do that with a pi... look in raspberrypi.org in the forums and search for specific topics relating to what you want to do, _Trullo
[17:29] <_Trullo> http://atlas-scientific.com/product_pages/kits/ph-kit.html
[17:29] <Mr_005> Theres PH sensors!?
[17:29] <_Trullo> found this, so looks like it's doable
[17:29] <abnormal> yes
[17:29] <Mr_005> I know what im doing for this summer
[17:29] <_Trullo> pretty expensive though..
[17:30] <shiftplusone> Mr_005, going around measuring all the pH?
[17:30] <abnormal> also you can look in www.makezine.com
[17:30] <Mr_005> im gonna set up a Ph sensor for my pool
[17:31] <_Trullo> have alot of ph sensors at work, might see if I can "borrow" one :)
[17:31] <shiftplusone> Obvious product placement and wikipedia abuse aside, this looks interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH_meter#Building_a_pH_meter
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[18:20] <DoctorD90> guys, im running vncserver on my pi. i would incapsulate vnc traffic in ssh(ssh tunneling) BUT NOT FROM CLIENT....All guide i have found out explain HOW connect to vnc starting FROM CLIENT the ssh tunneling. i would start ssh directly on pi, so that vnc get signal trougth ssh on server.....how can i do?
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[18:41] <martk100> This is probably stupidly easy. How do search for files on a pen drive. Updatedb/locate makes no attempt to look on any external drive.
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[18:42] <abnormal> you have to mount the drive
[18:43] <shiftplusone> I use find
[18:44] <abnormal> ok can you explain to him how?
[18:45] <shiftplusone> I could, but he hasn't asked and I don't like to create work for myself. =P
[18:46] <martk100> shiftplusone: I have never used find. I will have a look at the man page Thanks.
[18:46] <alaudet> find ./path_to_folder -name "*.mp4" for example
[18:46] <abnormal> ty
[18:46] <shiftplusone> short version is find /mnt/something -name "*bleh.bah"
[18:46] <shiftplusone> yeah... that.
[18:46] <abnormal> lkol
[18:46] <martk100> Ok thanks all
[18:46] <abnormal> you sillie...
[18:47] <shiftplusone> -iname for case insensitive
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[18:47] <abnormal> ; )
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[19:05] <sirfancy> Hey guys, quick question. If I were to use this heatsink and overclock it a little, would I need a fan? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NKAKN40/ref=pd_luc_rh_sim_01_01_t_lh?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[19:05] <IT_Sean> You don't need a heatsink, you do not need a fan.
[19:06] <IT_Sean> Heatsinks and fans for raspis serve only to seperate idiots from their money.,
[19:06] <sirfancy> I know, but if I were to overclock it.
[19:06] <IT_Sean> Still.
[19:06] <IT_Sean> You don't need a heatsink, you do not need a fan.
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[19:06] <sirfancy> There's absolutely no risk of overheating if I ran it at 1GHz?
[19:07] <IT_Sean> It shouldn't. Even at 1GHz, it should not OH. And on the off chance it does, it will throttle / shutdown before damage is done.
[19:07] <sirfancy> Huh. Didn't know that. Thanks!
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[20:09] <niston> haha
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[20:09] <abnormal> yeah? and?
[20:10] <niston> getting "out of memory" errors w/ almost 10GB free ram
[20:10] <abnormal> on what?
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[20:10] <niston> wintendo
[20:10] <abnormal> pi
[20:10] <niston> pi w/ 10 gigs of ram? Me want.
[20:11] <abnormal> bought a Netgear n150 for 5 bux the other day... works good on my beagleblown blast... pi's didn't like it...
[20:11] <niston> ah
[20:11] <niston> what chipset?
[20:12] <abnormal> Atheros
[20:12] * BurtyB agrees 10GB of ram would be nice - I installed pidora the other day on an A and it was into swap booting up heh
[20:13] <niston> swap is evil
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[20:13] <abnormal> but the beagleblown blast found more neighbors' wifis than any other dongles I have, lol
[20:13] <niston> http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-WIFI-Antenna-Reception-Booster/
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[20:17] <abnormal> don't need that.. my hotspot is like 20 ft from pis and bbb.
[20:17] <niston> heh
[20:17] <abnormal> lol
[20:17] <niston> I have one in the basement now
[20:17] <abnormal> yes I know... you love it in there...
[20:17] <niston> alas the signal is not strong enough to reach my parking space
[20:17] <abnormal> oh?
[20:17] <niston> else I could hack up something to transfer music to the car
[20:18] <niston> about 15 meters are missing
[20:18] <niston> and there are no mains receptacles to place a repeater :<
[20:18] <abnormal> rasie it up to ceiling of basement and maybe that will solve the strength issue
[20:18] <niston> it's already at the ceiling unfortunately
[20:19] <abnormal> ahhh.. hmmm... near a window?
[20:19] <niston> I might try one of those parabolic reflectors some day
[20:19] <niston> no windows down there
[20:19] <abnormal> ahhh.. damn
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[20:19] <niston> would be cool to be able to send mp3 from here to the car
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[20:20] <niston> cause I always forget to take the usb stick up with me, so I'm listening to the same 300 or something songs over and over again
[20:20] <abnormal> look for a discarded satellite dish, small one and use that
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[20:21] <abnormal> I think it's about 16 ~ 18 inches dia...
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ17RQvKTJg - rapid deployment antenna
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> I think this is in texas
[20:25] <niston> inflatable radome
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[20:26] <niston> hahahaha
[20:26] <niston> what happens if you shoot at it
[20:26] <niston> lol MUST be in texas!
[20:27] <abnormal> looks like a millionare's toy to me...
[20:29] <niston> "er now that we built this high tech contraption, what do do with it?" "well, let's fire live rounds at it!"
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[20:29] <abnormal> lol
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[20:36] <SpeedEvil> To be fair - 'what if my inflatable antenna springs a leak' is a reasonable question
[20:36] <niston> that's true.
[20:36] <niston> especially if it's built for battlefield use
[20:36] <abnormal> patch it
[20:36] <niston> still seemed kinda funny when the guy started shooting at it
[20:37] <abnormal> use bubble gum
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[21:44] <tchiwam> Anyone here has a good sleep function that is not too bad like nanosleep() and usleep() and more granular than sleep() http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10170&p=665327#p665327
[21:45] <ShorTie> delay ??
[21:46] <shiftplusone> I'd go with "Why?" (thread is a bit too long)
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[21:46] <tchiwam> last message has the important bit. I try to sleep during the slower gpio clocks waiting for some of the data
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[21:49] <shiftplusone> is the problem that when you sleep you specify the minimum sleep time rather than the exact sleep time? Too bad, that's just how linux works. If you need any sort of precisions, then use busy waits, DMA, PWM or whatever else.
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[21:50] <tchiwam> The problem I see is the time nano and usleep take just to be called, I can use busy and wait and even a for loop... But giving free cycle to the system is a nice thign (TM)
[21:52] <Kev-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271509459690 is this a rechargeable battery on there?
[21:52] <tchiwam> I see an easy performance boost for Rpi right there.
[21:52] <shiftplusone> It's not that sleep takes time to execute. It's more like other things get a chance to run during that time and how long they take is not deterministic enough.
[21:52] <Encrypt> "Unfortunately, access to this particular item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in some countries."
[21:52] <Encrypt> \o/
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[21:53] <shiftplusone> Encrypt, wouldn't want kids snorting batteries..... or whatever the concern is.
[21:53] <Encrypt> :D
[21:54] <shiftplusone> Kev-, nope, not rechargeable, but it will last longer than you'll use the pi.
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[21:55] <Hawson> I've never seen a recharable batter in that format
[21:55] <shiftplusone> tchiwam, so yeah, I don't think it's a performance issue. It's a combination of various OS and hardware limitations.
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[21:59] <shiftplusone> waah... I want my 3d printer to hurry up and arrive.
[22:00] <abnormal> get in car and go get it
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[22:01] <shiftplusone> car? never heard of it.
[22:01] <shiftplusone> Some of us blow all out money on things like 3d printers and can't afford cars.
[22:01] <tchiwam> The variance points to something else, but never mind Ill poke around a little more
[22:02] <shiftplusone> have fun
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[22:06] <Hawson> so...has anyone gotten those RTCs? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/271509459690)
[22:07] <shiftplusone> Hawson, why does it matter?
[22:07] <Kev-> I've bought ones from the same seller, but not the exact same form factor
[22:07] <Kev-> They worked fine
[22:07] <Kev-> I was just thinking about getting these because they're smaller
[22:07] <Hawson> shiftplusone: just wondering.
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[22:09] <shiftplusone> Hawson, ah, then yes.
[22:10] <Hawson> they work?
[22:11] <shiftplusone> ah, well that's a whole other question.
[22:11] <shiftplusone> Yes, they work.
[22:12] <shiftplusone> It's a battery and a chip hard to get that wrong.
[22:12] <Hawson> you
[22:12] <Hawson> you'd be surprised. :)
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[22:18] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm having wifi trouble - it says I've connected and I have an IP address, but pinging stuff consistently gives me a 100% packet loss.
[22:18] <GreeningGalaxy> anyone got a clue what might be wrong?
[22:19] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm on the wifi network now, it works fine with other devices
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[22:20] <GreeningGalaxy> I'm noticing that the ip addresses of my other devices start with 75.102, while the ip address of the pi (given from ip addr show) starts with 10.75
[22:20] <GreeningGalaxy> could that be related to the issue?
[22:22] <GreeningGalaxy> hello?
[22:23] <shiftplusone> hello
[22:24] <abnormal> hello
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[22:24] <GreeningGalaxy> ah, found the problem - uni wifi needs me to login with resnet before it whitelists me :P
[22:25] <GreeningGalaxy> it must do that with something baked into the chip - my laptop was still allowed even though I've done an entire OS reinstall on it since last I connected it here
[22:26] <shiftplusone> One good reason to avoid trying to help people troubleshoot their network.... no way anybody would've guessed that from the information provided.
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[22:26] <shiftplusone> (Not saying you didn't provide enough information, since we can always ask questions, but... it would've taken a while to get there)
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[22:29] <GreeningGalaxy> shiftplusone - yeah :P
[22:30] <GreeningGalaxy> i was mostly wondering if anyone knew of common config issues that would cause those kinds of symptoms
[22:30] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[22:31] <shiftplusone> (But I still won't ever go near audio and network problems =D)
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[22:31] <GreeningGalaxy> i mean, connected but no traffic isn't something I've really seen before, so I was was hoping it would be relatively distinctive
[22:31] <GreeningGalaxy> I get that. wifi is a thing of evil
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[23:20] <GreeningGalaxy> okay, now xinit is randomly spamming me with "No protocol specified" errors
[23:20] <GreeningGalaxy> anyone got any ideas? or is that another blacklisted question type :?
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[23:22] <shiftplusone> there are no blacklisted questions
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[23:22] <GreeningGalaxy> okay, questions that people on here won't touch
[23:22] <GreeningGalaxy> i hear xorg stuff is hard
[23:22] <ShorTie> never know till you ask
[23:22] <shiftplusone> the network and audio stuff is just me.... and yes, add xorg to that list. I'm sure there are plenty of other people who don't mind helping.
[23:23] <GreeningGalaxy> ok
[23:23] <tchiwam> Well, seems that select and pselect are the fastest "sleep" delays, after that timer + loop is the best... But the variance is very big with select...
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