#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-01-05

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[1:05] <mmazing> is there a channel where retropie questions might be better asked?
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[1:06] <abnormal> you can search for it... look in servers and search for channels in each server...
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[1:09] <[Saint]> mmazing: entirely unsurprisingly, its #retropie
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[1:10] <[Saint]> first hit for 'retropie irc', if you're curious.
[1:10] <mmazing> [Saint], didn't see it on the channel list, thanks
[1:10] <[Saint]> see above.
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[1:33] <dbtid> hi; is it possible to have a serial connection on the micro-usb to a usb host?
[1:33] <dbtid> the spark core does this
[1:33] <IT_Sean> The micro USB is just for powah.
[1:34] <dbtid> aww bummer
[1:34] <dbtid> ok thanks
[1:34] <IT_Sean> You can use a USB-Serial adapter on one of the USB ports tho.
[1:34] <dbtid> yeah; i could do that, but my mac doesn't have a serial port.
[1:34] <dbtid> was hoping to do what's done on the spark
[1:34] <IT_Sean> I... so put a USB-Ser adapter on that too!
[1:35] <dbtid> lol. no, i'll just use the ethernet.
[1:35] <dbtid> was hoping for a console.
[1:35] <dbtid> are the TXD/RXD pins RSR-232 or TTL?
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[1:35] <dbtid> *RS-232
[1:36] <dbtid> because i could wire those to a serial port.
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[1:37] <IT_Sean> Are you referring to the GPIO pins?
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[1:37] <dbtid> yes, on the 26 pin header.
[1:38] <dbtid> i'm guessing those are TTL signals.
[1:38] <dbtid> i have a converter.
[1:38] <dbtid> just an IC.
[1:38] <IT_Sean> They are not native RS232, no. But, you could bit bang it, i suppose. You'd need a wad of electronics, as the GPIO uses 3.3v signalling.
[1:39] <dbtid> well, i have a 3.3V -> RS-232 IC. i've used it on a galago core w/ no problems.
[1:39] <dbtid> so that's where the serial console is?
[1:39] <IT_Sean> I guess I'm not being clear... there is not a native serial console on the Pi. You can set one up and bit bang it on GPIO pins, but, it's not gonna be elegant, or fast...
[1:40] <dbtid> i thought i saw pins on that connector labeled TX and RX.
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[1:41] <dbtid> pins 8 and 10 say TXD and RXD.
[1:41] <dbtid> hence my confusion.
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[1:58] <[Saint]> errr...
[1:58] <[Saint]> Am I in some way misinterpreting "not a native serial console on the pi"?
[2:00] * argakiig is now known as argakiig_lost
[2:00] <[Saint]> Perhaps I'm mis-parsing that. By my understanding, there very much is.
[2:01] <dbtid> do tell
[2:01] <dbtid> this is a model B, by the way
[2:02] <[Saint]> Nothing I can tell you that isn't in http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection
[2:02] <[Saint]> perhaps I'm misunderstanding the use of 'native' here.
[2:04] <niston> just hook the IC up already :p
[2:04] <dbtid> yeah, i'm not exactly sure either, because that page says what i nuderstood.
[2:04] <dbtid> niston: :)
[2:04] <[Saint]> I guess we'd need IT_Sean to clarify what he meant.
[2:04] <niston> TXD is the same as TX
[2:04] <[Saint]> His clarification didn't really serve as such.
[2:04] <niston> just different name
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[2:05] <[Saint]> It just made things even less clear, and somewhat contradictory.
[2:05] <[Saint]> I would /guess/ I'm failing to understand the intent behind the word 'native'.
[2:06] <niston> not sure on that either. maybe he means there is no hardware flow control?
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[2:06] <[Saint]> "no native serial connection" seems to me to imply that there's no way to make a serial connection with the pi.
[2:06] <dbtid> not sure why we need HW FC
[2:06] <[Saint]> Which we know is demonstrably untrue.
[2:06] <niston> its a bit distracting yes
[2:06] <niston> but Im sure its just a shannon anomaly :P
[2:07] <[Saint]> A who in the what now?
[2:07] <niston> misunderstanding ;)
[2:08] <dbtid> well i have that IC around here somewhere
[2:08] <dbtid> i'll have to pin it up.
[2:08] <dbtid> not hard to do.
[2:08] <dbtid> it runs on 3.3V
[2:08] <dbtid> all right; later then
[2:08] <dbtid> thanks for the lin,
[2:08] <dbtid> *link
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[2:08] <niston> cu
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[2:39] <swiss> does anyone here use insteon with their pi?
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[2:49] <swiss> actaully, maybe i should just do voice commands and have the rpi automate other things too
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[4:26] <steve_rox> anything interesting going on in the rpi world?
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[4:29] <steve_rox> i guess not
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[4:40] <DrMon> Some bad juju happening at the raspberry pi forums
[4:40] <DrMon> seems the database/config has been wiped
[4:40] <DrMon> it's in install mode
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[4:54] <steve_rox> i noticed
[4:54] <steve_rox> google cache handy since i wanna read forums
[4:55] <steve_rox> maybe you should run the install for them :-D
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[4:57] <DrMon> lol, I considered it
[4:57] <DrMon> I'll just take care of the forums from now on
[4:57] <DrMon> A couple ads here and there for my trouble of course
[4:59] <steve_rox> yeah i was almost temptedd to do it myself ;-)
[4:59] <steve_rox> apart from the ads bit :-P
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[5:16] <DrMon> Hmm, If I'd known I was going to need to offload /var/logs and /var/tmp to a ramdisk I might have sprung for the B+ model lol
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[5:49] <ApolloJustice> hello, are the forums down right now? I try to go there and it takes me to a PHPbb install page.
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[5:50] <lclc98> ApolloJustice, they are under maintenance
[5:51] <ApolloJustice> ahh, okay. thanks
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[6:26] <midacts> Does anyone know if the raspi PIR motion sensor can be used outside
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[6:54] <oldtopman> Does anyone here use a USB display with their raspberry pi (or any of their linux computers, for that matter)?
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[7:21] <niston> yes
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[8:05] <eXtremo> anyone can tell the safest overclock without heatsink?
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[8:06] <eXtremo> I'm using some of the smallers ones of this picture: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQyOVgxNjAw/z/RYcAAOxyfuZR1UIm/$(KGrHqR,!q!FG923GBv9BR1UImHI7!~~60_57.JPG
[8:07] <eXtremo> also, what's that chip near to the capacitor that people use to put a heatsink on
[8:07] <eXtremo> ?
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[8:10] <whoston> eXtremo: the chip is the NCP1117-3v3 regulator
[8:11] <eXtremo> whoston: thanks! is it related to power? do you think it's good to put a heatsink on it?
[8:11] <eXtremo> I'm only using these heatsinks in the other 2 biggest chips
[8:12] <eXtremo> just read about this regulator
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[8:14] <whoston> i cant follow your link, it's no good
[8:14] <whoston> could you try again?
[8:15] <kiely> copy and paste it
[8:16] <eXtremo> http://www.pishop.co.nz/RPI-HEATSINK.html
[8:16] <whoston> got it. im still new. sorry.
[8:16] <eXtremo> I only have 3 units the smaller one in this picture
[8:17] <whoston> kiely: thanks
[8:17] <whoston> im assuming that you have the original model b?
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[8:18] <eXtremo> yeah
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[8:27] <whoston> well. i did some research
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[8:28] <whoston> it seems that you can run a pi at 700 mhz and keep the temperature around 120-140 F without a fan or heat sink
[8:29] <whoston> for the cpu
[8:29] <whoston> that is, to answer your initial question
[8:30] <kiely> That's stock, isn't it?
[8:31] <eXtremo> yeah
[8:31] <eXtremo> it's stock
[8:31] <whoston> oops
[8:32] <eXtremo> I put it to 900mhz
[8:32] <kiely> I'm at 1.1Ghz with those horrible heatsinks
[8:32] <eXtremo> lol, really?
[8:32] <kiely> yeah
[8:32] <eXtremo> How's your cpu temp?
[8:32] <eXtremo> what do you use as storage?
[8:33] <kiely> I cut some of the tape off on the bottom of the heatsinks in the center, and put some of my phanteks thermal paste on. only way I got it to work.
[8:33] <Triffid_Hunter> I can't imagine a heatsink would do much good on the RPi, the cpu is sandwiched between the PCB and the memory chip on top
[8:33] <niston> stop the heatsink crap already will you
[8:33] <eXtremo> I see.. the one I bought didn't come with those tapes, so I had to use a coolermaster thermal paste that came with my PC cooler
[8:34] <Triffid_Hunter> you'd probably get better results cooling the back of the board behind the CPU than sticking a heatsink on the ram chip
[8:34] <niston> heatsinks on a pi are not only useless but counterproductive
[8:34] <kiely> I drop temps 15C with mine
[8:34] <kiely> What's the problem?
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[8:47] <eXtremo> yeah, the heatsinks I'm using are very hot. I think it's better than nothing
[8:47] <evil_dan2wik> How much should I be selling a slightly used model B for?
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[9:35] <ethug> hey guys reading probably some audiophile blogs I've noticed the RPi B/B+ sound isn't considered to be good, outputting as PWM with some crap low level and yet people use RPis as media centers etc, wouldn't it be unnoticable and rather like a standard onboard ATX mobo job?
[9:36] <ethug> I'm thinking about buying an Rpi and a Viewsonic monitor with speakers (HDMI), then hooking headphones to that
[9:36] <hyperair> you could just use digital audio
[9:36] <ethug> probably still good for a drum and bass listener
[9:36] <hyperair> audio over HDMI yields zero losses
[9:36] <ethug> an audio usb card?
[9:36] <hyperair> or that, yeah
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[9:37] <ethug> I should be good regardless
[9:37] <hyperair> you're best off not relying on the 3.5mm jack imo
[9:38] <ethug> http://www.crazy-audio.com/2014/07/sound-quality-of-the-raspberry-pi-b/ -- that's what this guy is doing from 2nd pic it looks
[9:38] <ethug> who the hell has a HP audio analyzer around lol
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[9:39] <steve_rox> a nutter
[9:39] <hyperair> lol
[9:39] <hyperair> http://www.hifiberry.com/dac <-- this works
[9:42] <ethug> dumb Q: http://www.hifiberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/dac-rca-300-3_2.jpg -- both jacks are left/right stereo or RED = MIC "of course"
[9:42] <ethug> the latter yea?
[9:43] <ethug> the former
[9:43] <ethug> shietttt lol
[9:46] <ethug> http://www.auseparts.com.au/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=sound+card&product_id=68 -- I see, looking to buy my Rpi in Australia through this same store, only this came up
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[9:47] <ethug> "Instantly creates microphone in & audio out jack from any PC USB port" "No drivers required, just plug and play for instant audio playback, also compatible with all major operation systems."
[9:47] <ethug> now to find out if this sucks
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[9:48] <ethug> out of stock anyway no brand name
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[10:02] <niston> just buy a hifiberry or a pidac
[10:02] <niston> it'll be perfect
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[10:03] <ethug> what if you want audio input?
[10:05] <niston> you have to wait
[10:05] <niston> or use some usb solution
[10:05] <ethug> usb solution methinks
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[10:13] <niston> downside of cheap usb dongles is microphone input is only mono
[10:14] <niston> using two of them together for stereo wont work well unless they are synched
[10:14] <niston> but none of the cheap dongles offer an option to do so either
[10:14] <ethug> I see
[10:15] <niston> http://shop.musix.ch/fr/Numark-Stereo-iO.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAiamlBRCgj83PiYm6--gBEiQArnojD5DUr4V0VRTqxjnNg9iXsvRnwkHaV8m-nPqxMM_JPi8aAiib8P8HAQ
[10:15] <niston> no idea if theres software support for arm linux though
[10:15] <ethug> I have a preamp and condenser mic, I can't remember the context, maybe using Camtasia (desktop video recording software), or perhaps some other context, there seemed to be some saying, some fact, that all mic-in is mono always or I don't know, mic stereo sucks or something
[10:16] <ethug> I didn't understand the assertion but mono recording worked, I think that was the context, the sound was better, or I wouldn't just get "left ear" playback
[10:16] <niston> there are stereo mics, but thats beyond scope
[10:16] <ethug> must just be recording vid codecs etc
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[10:16] <niston> you want a quality line in you'll have to use something like I posted
[10:16] <niston> and it will need drivers for arm linux
[10:17] <niston> maybe you could build them if they were open source
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[10:18] <ethug> nah can't way above my paygrade (Rpi purchase also to have sound work out of the box to learn unix/nix, so I partly don't know why I'm even contemplating this solution path, I'll just have -->RPI-->HDMI-->ViewSonic Monitor with speakers-->use the audio-out to headphones [I always headphone]
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[10:18] <niston> that will work as well
[10:19] <niston> but no line in
[10:19] <ethug> everytime I install nix I have some sound issue, OpenSUSE, Debian, that I work on, gain more command line knowledge, sometimes go very far, on two different pcs, and then fail to get things going or stop chirping so I just say "I need music" then go back to windows
[10:19] <ethug> yea don't "need" mic in just greedy
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[10:20] <ethug> Sorry I didn't say that eloquently. The reason I'm buying an RPi is to have a nix box Raspbian or Debian that has known hardware so it'll close-to-work out of box.
[10:21] <ethug> That way I can focus on learning.
[10:21] <niston> yup raspian will work fine on it, out of the box
[10:21] <niston> *b*
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[10:22] <ethug> Yea, context, when you weren't here I asked this channel how good the onboard sound output is. I like the "no loss" out the HDMI for audio out direction :)
[10:22] <niston> a cheap and alright solution
[10:24] <niston> if you're satisfied with your TV's audio output sound quality, that is.
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[10:29] <ethug> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpBbkh04TA -- ViewSonic VX2370SMH-LED Monitor Unboxing & Review
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[10:31] <Chetic> Anybody know an alternative to this sold out car power supply? http://mausberry-circuits.myshopify.com/collections/car-power-supply-switches/products/2a-car-supply-switch
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[10:44] <heller\> Chetic: make one your self
[10:44] <heller\> its easy
[10:44] <heller\> and cheap
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[10:45] <heller\> you just need a circuit to detect when voltage goes over 13.7V and then start it
[10:45] <heller\> or when it goes under it, a python script will shut it down
[10:46] <heller\> you dont even need to have the acc
[10:46] <heller\> you just need 12V from your car battery
[10:46] <heller\> :)
[10:50] <Chetic> of course I need acc, otherwise the thing will just die and corrupt the sd card
[10:51] <heller\> no you dont
[10:51] <heller\> use a cable that has power always
[10:51] <niston> not sure if thats a good idea
[10:52] <heller\> and make comparator circuit. when the voltage goes under 13.7V or something, it will tie a GPIO pin to round
[10:52] <niston> it might drain the battery completely flat within a few days of non using the car
[10:52] <Chetic> yeah I'm not doing that
[10:52] <heller\> im not saying the raspberry pi have to turned on all the time
[10:52] <Chetic> basically because I've done something like that before and then been unable to get to work :P
[10:52] <Chetic> using the ACC cable from the stereo is no problem though
[10:53] <Chetic> the point is I don't want to make my own circuit, because I don't have the time
[10:53] <niston> do you have an ignition signal line somewhere?
[10:53] <niston> that has 12V when the ignition is on?
[10:53] <niston> could use that to switch a relay
[10:54] <niston> use this to create stable 5v from the car's 12V for the pi: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__4319__TURNIGY_3A_UBEC_w_Noise_Reduction.html
[10:55] <Chetic> I want the solution I linked to
[10:56] <Chetic> that way I'm not reinventing the wheel and wasting time on something way besides what I want to focus on
[10:57] <heller\> how much does the ready made part cost
[10:57] <heller\> how much current with 5V?
[10:59] <Chetic> $25.
[10:59] <Chetic> good question
[11:00] <Chetic> I will be using a decent amount
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[11:01] <Chetic> ah but it handles 2A, no problem
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[12:14] <DrMon> can anyone try loading up https://vpscp.tragicservers.com/ for me? Going super slow over here
[12:15] <shiftplusone> yes, very slow
[12:15] <shiftplusone> if at all
[12:15] <DrMon> phew, thanks
[12:16] <DrMon> Been mucking around with DNS and junk, was hoping to hell that I diddn't screw stuff up just when I was getting it to work
[12:16] <shiftplusone> heh
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[13:06] <heller\> Chetic: you only need a 2€ smps to make it work :p
[13:08] <heller\> Chetic: you only need one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XL4005-DC-5A-Adjustable-Step-Down-Module-Arduino-Converter-Power-Supply-/181573398005
[13:08] <heller\> and add a small circuit to sens voltage
[13:08] <heller\> circuit which detects when you have over 13.7V = engine running
[13:08] <heller\> or even 14V
[13:08] <heller\> i did one arduino to car that way
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[15:49] <malleYay> ^^
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[15:54] <TheEmpty> ^
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[17:59] <kisak> does popcornmix hang out here?
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[18:00] <linuxstb> kisak: Not as far as I've noticed.
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[18:06] <shiftplusone> kisak: no, he doesn't do IRC
[18:06] <shiftplusone> kisak: why?
[18:07] <kisak> I had a question about omxplayer and if it tries to figure out which field is first for mpeg2ts 1080i playback
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[18:08] <shiftplusone> ah, k
[18:08] <kisak> the first mpeg2ts 1920x1080@30 interlaced stream I played had it wrong
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> I figured if it was a quick question, I could poke him and ask since we're in the same office. It seem like the forum is your best bet and then I can point him at the thread.
[18:11] <kisak> if it's not too much trouble, I'd appreciate if you could pass a message, if it's something that should be persued, I can open a github/popcornmix/omxplayer issue report
[18:12] <kisak> I'm not interested in making yet another forum user account
[18:12] <shiftplusone> as long as the message is short enough for me to remember while I walk over to the other side of the office =P
[18:13] <kisak> 'does omxplayer try to determine which field is first with interlaced mpeg2 video?`
[18:14] <linuxstb> kisak: Isn't there an open issue for dealing with that with h264? Or has that been fixed?
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[18:16] <kisak> I found https://github.com/popcornmix/omxplayer/issues/81 , but that deals with flickering with interlaced output
[18:17] <linuxstb> Hmm, seems that was closed as a "won't fix"...
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[18:18] <kisak> in my case, the output is 1080p, as expected, the video stream coming off the pvr is 1080i
[18:19] <linuxstb> Ah, so the Pi doesn't deinterlace correctly?
[18:19] <kisak> the stream I'm watching right now is fine, so there's no common rule if the upper or lower field comes first
[18:20] <linuxstb> I've always had problems trying to output interlaced video in an interlaced HDMI mode. It's 50/50 whether the Pi gets the fields the right way round.
[18:21] <shiftplusone> kisak: back. Yeah it should figure out which field is first. If you're having trouble, open an issue and provide a sample file.
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[18:24] <kisak> so, I need to trim the file with something like ffmpeg
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[18:36] <kisak> I'm going to drop this issue
[18:37] <kisak> the recording is also rendering wrong with the pvr's player
[18:37] <kisak> so odds are the recording is wrong, not the player
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[18:42] <shiftplusone> kisak: hmm, odd.
[18:42] <kisak> I can't expect the omxplayer to have better detection than mythtv
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[19:14] <aditsu> hi, I'm looking for a decent usb wifi adapter to use in host ap mode, any recommendations?
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[19:14] <shiftplusone> "decent usb wifi adapter"
[19:14] <shiftplusone> haven't seen that combination of words before,
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[19:15] <aditsu> shiftplusone: oh, you mean it may not exist?
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[19:17] <shiftplusone> I don't know... there always seem to be trade-offs. Some wifi dongles seem to work fine, but eat up the CPU and have very limited bandwidth as a result, others don't work out of the box, others don't have ap support, others need a special version of hostapd to work properly and so on
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[19:20] <aditsu> I got the edimax nano to work with a special version of hostapd, but it just stops connecting after a while
[19:20] <aditsu> I have another adapter that appears to work with the regular hostapd, but I can't connect to it at all
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[19:21] <aditsu> I want an adapter like the ones they put in routers :p
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[19:22] <aditsu> with a big antenna too
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[19:24] <shiftplusone> report back if you find something
[19:24] <shiftplusone> I've seen good thing said about alfa devices
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[19:25] <shiftplusone> this looks pretty beefy http://www.alfa.com.tw/products_show.php?pc=34&ps=8
[19:25] <shiftplusone> don't know what chipset is used or what the level of support for it is so... that's something you'd need to check before buying anything
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[19:28] <aditsu> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-Wireless-Original-Screw-On-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU this is almost $30 :p
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[19:29] <shiftplusone> I'd expect more
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[19:33] <kisak> user reviews say it's RTL8187 ( http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 )
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[19:36] <aditsu> huh, the edimax nano is RTL8188CUS
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[19:38] <giddles> rehi im an windows dau. what editor i could use on raspbian to make some bash.sh
[19:39] <shiftplusone> hm? could you repeat that with more real words? =S
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[20:36] <primax> hi :P
[20:37] <giddles> what editor i could use for a simple bash script
[20:37] <giddles> im a windows dau
[20:37] <giddles> heavy dau
[20:37] <primax> nano :P
[20:37] <giddles> sudo apt-get nano ?
[20:37] <primax> yep :P its very simple editor
[20:37] <giddles> im a fool i even didnt knew how to *.ink in startx ;)
[20:38] <lava> hi, im trying to get my 8 channel relay working properly and as soon as i set the gpio mode to out, it lights up as if its been enabled, yet the value is still set to 0, am I missing something obvious here? it seems everyone elses turns on when the value is set to 1, not 0 =)
[20:39] <giddles> thanks primax
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[20:40] <primax> i have stupid question :P after when i plug in usb wifi dongle to my rpi b+ the red diode is still light :P thats ok ?
[20:40] <primax> all is ok, but this diode still lights:D
[20:41] <aditsu> hmm I got another wifi adapter to work in host ap mode.. let
[20:41] <aditsu> 's see if it works better than the nano
[20:42] <pksato> lava: most relay module can not be connected direct to RPi.
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[20:44] <pksato> if does, need to take some precautions. That depend of module design.
[20:44] <aditsu> primax: was it on before you plugged it in?
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[20:44] <redstonecraftpl> Hi!
[20:45] <primax> no, before wasnt lighs
[20:46] <aditsu> then why did you say "still"?
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> lava, you are using a 5v relay board - probably sainsmart. this is not designed for the Pi.
[20:46] <primax> before was not lights , after plug in lights
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[20:46] <lava> gordonDrogon: yeah, like the sainsmart
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> lava - you'll "get away" with it, but you need to control it by changing the pin direction from in to out.
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> this is gpio abuse.
[20:47] <lava> o.O
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> what are yo switching?
[20:47] <aditsu> primax: well, I don't know.. but if everything works well then I wouldn't worry about it
[20:47] <lava> this is my first time playing with one, i just got it for learning
[20:47] <lava> not switching anything yet
[20:47] <redstonecraftpl> I have trouble. My PI (with raspbian) after 29651976139842689 getting ups it dont work properly: It logins to root default and it says FS is read-only, and it says ctrl+D for reboot. Any ideas? I need it for my wifi!
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> consider this: You have bought the cheapest relay board you could find - probably on ebay or similar. Do you trust it to (a) not break the Pi, and (b) be safe with anything over 12v ...
[20:48] <primax> aditsu thanks :D
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[20:48] <lava> lol, not really, i connected it, it didn't do what i expected, figured i would try to learn some more before i broke something, so i came here =)
[20:49] <lava> but yes, its some $10 8 channel relay (jtek maybe?) from amazon
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> lava, they're really designed more for arduinos which work at 5v.
[20:50] <lava> ah, i have this at 5v i thought, on my pi b+
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> the gpio pins themselves are only 3.3v.
[20:50] <lava> didn't think it mattered if it was arduino or pi
[20:50] <lava> hm
[20:50] <swiss> the relay board is probably fine if you just want to hear relays clicking
[20:50] <lava> why does it say 5v on there?
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[20:50] <swiss> i just wouldn't use it with power going through them
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> the gpio can power 5v devices. (or you can power the Pi via it)
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I see this frequently - mostly with sainsmart relays. I get a lot of emails about it )-:
[20:51] <lava> hm, so powering the 5v relay is not good?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> powering it from the Pi's 5v is fine - as long as you stay in the limits of the Pi's PSU.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> e.g. each relay probably needs 60mA - so if you have a 2 amp supply, then you have 1.2 amps spare, so it's fine.
[20:52] <lava> so its fine for just watching it click basically?
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> well...
[20:52] <lava> heh
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> you can hook up mains/230v to it if you like
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> but do you trust it?
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> the driving side is the real issue - you're causing the Pi's gpio pins to be overloaded trying to overcome the input to the relays.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> most of them need more voltage than the Pi can supply, so even with the output at 3.3v the Pi ends up effectively sinking current from the relay board opto isolators )-:
[20:53] <lava> so basically http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KTELP3I is garbage for actually trying to do anything outside of watching the led's light up on it and hear it click?
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> note that the headline says raspberry pi, bu the actual description doesn't. false marketing, you've been done.
[20:54] <lava> DOH!
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> it will work on the Pi, but you're abusing the GPIO pins by causing them to since more current/voltage than they're designed to do.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> You need to build a buffer board to sit between the Pi and the relays - e.g. uln2803.
[20:56] <lava> ah
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> 5V 8-Channel Relay interface board, and each one needs 15-20mA Driver Current
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> that's the opto-isolator inputs.
[20:57] <lava> ahhh, so that would make this cheapo relay actually functional(and safe for the pi)?
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> one end is connected to +5v then via a small resistor and led then the gpio pin - so even with the pin high @ 3.3v, the 5v still conducts into the pi's 3.3v supply.
[20:57] <swiss> though, also, do you care about the pi enough that you care about the abuse?
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I would *never*ever*not*in*a*month*of*sundays* connect this to nay Pi I own.
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> You will raise the 3.3v supply to above 3.3v and that will eventually kill the pi.
[20:58] <lava> heh, for $35 i expect i'll ruin a couple =/
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> this may happen when you turn on all the relays.
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[20:58] <lava> hmmm
[20:58] <lava> what would you suggest in terms of replicating this safely?
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> I would suggest this: run the gpio command to set all 8 outptus LOW, then use the gpio command to change the pins from input to output.
[20:58] <swiss> gordonDrogon: my reason for saying this is i had a similar setup, and i triggered them day and night on a model B with the 3.3V and i had no issues
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> I suggest buying something designed for the Pi.
[20:59] <swiss> 100% agree it's not a good solution
[20:59] <lava> i thought i did =(
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> swiss, were you triggering them by changing the pin direction or the pin from 0 to 1?
[20:59] <swiss> 0 to 1
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> lava, sorry - you were connect by a clever marketer.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> swiss, that's fine - probably - the board lava has isn't that good.
[21:00] <lava> booo my board
[21:00] <lava> so sainsmart is no better you say?
[21:00] <swiss> i think i have that same board, but 4 relays
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> they're all clones.
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[21:00] <swiss> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0057OC5O8/ this is what i bought
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> people tend to email me with more questions about sainsmart boards than any others )-:
[21:01] <swiss> 100% agree it's a bad idea, but it worked (for a few weeks until i lost interest)
[21:01] <lava> swiss: yeah. looks exact same basically
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[21:01] <swiss> though improperly messing with 8 relays might hurt the pi a lot more than 4
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> the issue is that the top of the opto isolators is connected to 5v. if you can re-wire it to 3.3v then it's better.
[21:02] <swiss> yeah
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> however it still needs 15-20mA to light the LED - and the limit in the Pi's GPIO is really 15mA with a total draw of no more than 50mA over all GPIOs.
[21:02] <swiss> hook up a relay module to trigger the relay module :P
[21:03] <lava> is the b+ all jacked up on mountain dew or something?
[21:03] <ozzzy> hook up a fet
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> ideally put a uln2803 in-front of the opto isolators.
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[21:03] <lava> i have the camera running, wifi, 8 channel relay, and an apache server running on it
[21:03] <swiss> this was on a B, not a B+ btw
[21:03] <lava> and it seems to be fine
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[21:05] * lava goes to get a uln2803 =)
[21:05] <lava> thx gordonDrogon
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[21:06] <lava> http://www.adafruit.com/product/970 - correct?
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> lava, that's the one.
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> however the point I'm making is as much to do with the other side of the board as the Pi side - do you trust it to switch high voltages and not kill you...
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[21:20] <aditsu> hmm the other wifi adapter has the same problem... it stops accepting connections after a while; I wonder what's the reason
[21:21] <aditsu> maybe something in realtek's hostapd
[21:22] <lava> gordonDrogon: noooo, not really =/
[21:23] <lava> we use these same little switches in limos to handle bar lighting, etc...
[21:24] <lava> somewhat the same i guess
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[21:26] <lava> ideally i would like to control some things in my house via whatever i script up on the pi
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[21:26] <lava> so im tryin to figure out what all i would need to ... safely do that
[21:28] <marahin> Guise! Any ideas why the motion cam stream works fine on Safari, but not on Chrome?
[21:28] <marahin> Is it possible that Chrome doesn't really like the 8081 port?
[21:29] <lava> marahin: sounds like browser support maybe?
[21:29] <marahin> humhum.
[21:29] <ApolloJustice> marahin, Chrome doesn't like ports that are not 8080 or 80
[21:29] <ApolloJustice> it either blocks them or doesn't work correctly
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[21:29] <marahin> ApolloJustice: :) I see
[21:30] <marahin> ApolloJustice: do you know any *workarounds* on that? Other than switching service to another port?
[21:31] <ApolloJustice> for the blocked ports, you can run chrome with --explicitly-allowed-ports=8081
[21:31] <ApolloJustice> but if it's not blocked i don't know if it will fix the broken stream
[21:31] <ApolloJustice> but still worth giving it a shot
[21:31] <ApolloJustice> i had to do that to be able to access the ZNC web admin on my Pi because it runs off prot 6667
[21:32] <ApolloJustice> port*
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[21:43] <giddles> ehm dau asking gain
[21:43] <giddles> how to save something in nano
[21:43] <giddles> ^c ? what anykey key is that
[21:43] <swiss> ctrl c
[21:44] <giddles> thanx ;)
[21:44] <swiss> ^ means control
[21:44] <swiss> it's pretty standard
[21:44] <giddles> im a windows user ;)
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[21:46] <swiss> it's pretty standard for anything
[21:46] <nexuslite> even in windows the ^ still means ctrl
[21:47] <swiss> lava: have you considered just doing normal home automation stuff?
[21:47] <swiss> insteon is pretty cheap now
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[22:02] <steve_rox> anyone know how to revert the gui back ?
[22:02] <steve_rox> on such a tiny lcd its kinda made it un usable even more
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[22:04] <nexuslite> steve_rox: revert what GUI back to what. Are you talking about making it so x-windows doesnt start on raspbian?
[22:04] <steve_rox> nah they changed the gui in it
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[22:04] <steve_rox> the tastbar seems to be at the top
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[22:05] <ApolloJustice> move it down? lel
[22:05] <steve_rox> well im on a tiny lcd its not too visible
[22:05] <steve_rox> but i know its related to gui update
[22:06] <nexuslite> Then I would suggest plugging it into your 40" tv's HDMI port. It will make it much more visable
[22:07] <steve_rox> i dont think it outputs to hdmi at moment
[22:07] <steve_rox> this lcd hooks in by the gpio
[22:07] <steve_rox> hdmi just outputs some text from a terminal
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[22:07] <ApolloJustice> kill X, then re-start x from hdmi
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[22:08] <steve_rox> i dunno ill have to keep pokeing around
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[22:08] <steve_rox> or end up manually modifying the config files
[22:08] <steve_rox> which would be fun
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[22:22] <punkunity> getting my 1st pi soon!
[22:22] <punkunity> and hello Pi community
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[22:23] <T0M4> And what is your plan with the Pi ? (:
[22:23] <punkunity> no idea yet
[22:23] <punkunity> well, read a few build ideas, so we'll see
[22:24] <punkunity> i love linux and im an electrician by trade
[22:24] <T0M4> hmm
[22:24] <T0M4> me 2 :D
[22:24] <T0M4> but this is a bit different world..
[22:24] <T0M4> can you programming ?
[22:25] <T0M4> I started couple of month ago and it"s not an easy thing to learn it (over 30 :S :D )
[22:26] <shiftplusone> punkunity, welcome
[22:27] <punkunity> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G1PNG54/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:27] <punkunity> ty shiftplusone
[22:27] <punkunity> T0M4: i cant program yet
[22:27] <punkunity> and im 32
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[22:27] <shiftplusone> Age isn't really a factor here, I think.
[22:27] <punkunity> but I amfamiliar with the command line a bit, use Manjaro linux currently
[22:28] <T0M4> hehe, I'm 33
[22:28] <punkunity> I have compiled a few custom Android Roms form source, so Im a little familiar with Git and Gerrit
[22:28] <punkunity> absolutely shiftplusone
[22:28] <shiftplusone> What language are you guys wanting to learn?
[22:28] <punkunity> none yet
[22:29] <punkunity> but I guess python
[22:29] <shiftplusone> none is an easy one.
[22:29] <T0M4> I tried couple of time before C
[22:29] <T0M4> but python looks much easier
[22:29] <punkunity> im more into the making a tor proxy, or weather station stuff
[22:29] <T0M4> but I bought an arduino as well, couple of weeks ago
[22:29] <T0M4> and now C again..
[22:29] <punkunity> nice
[22:29] <T0M4> :S :D
[22:29] <spuz> hey, I'm trying to get my head around a very basic circuit, all I want to do is take an audio signal down from around +-3V to +-1.5V, I am trying to use a voltage divider to do this but I think this is the wrong way to do it
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[22:29] <marahin> Hurrdur... Guys, I'm a raspi newbie. I have hdmi_group=1 and hdmi_mode=16 on my 1920x1080 TV, however the resolution is shrinked (so much, that the letters are illegible). I also noticed that tvservice -s gives me: state 0x12001a [HDMI DMT (4) RGB full 4:3], 640x480 @ 60.00Hz, progressive
[22:29] <punkunity> im interested in the Galileo and the BeagleBone Black
[22:30] <marahin> instead of mode 16: 1920x1080 @ 60Hz 16:9, clock:148MHz progressive - which it should be. Any ideas?
[22:30] <spuz> not sure if this is the right place to ask...
[22:30] <punkunity> what OS marahin
[22:30] <lava> swiss: i wanna control everything with my code
[22:30] <T0M4> punkunity, : this is not the electrician way.. no hacking , soldering ?! :P
[22:30] <nefarious> GO is the way forward
[22:30] <punkunity> GO?
[22:30] <punkunity> and what T0M4?
[22:30] <punkunity> electricians dont solder
[22:31] <punkunity> im a commercial/industrial union electrician
[22:31] <T0M4> nothing just kidding.. sry.. ;)
[22:31] <punkunity> construction baby
[22:31] <nefarious> http://www.golang-book.com
[22:31] <punkunity> all good
[22:31] <shiftplusone> I only use C nowadays. Being forced to write a little C++ right now.
[22:31] <punkunity> book marked the link nefarious
[22:32] <punkunity> only hting ill probably learn language wise is something that could help me build android apps and kernels
[22:32] <shiftplusone> apps? ew, java? D=
[22:32] <nefarious> ^
[22:33] <marahin> punkunity: raspbian
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[22:36] <punkunity> and you can access the lxe desktop or whatever it is right?
[22:36] <punkunity> lxde
[22:36] <punkunity> marahin: ?
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[22:37] <marahin> yeah
[22:37] <marahin> however the resolution at X is as well terrible
[22:37] <punkunity> can you restart x?
[22:37] <marahin> punkunity: i've restarted whole raspi several times already :)
[22:37] <punkunity> or fix the resolution in the settings manager under display?
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[22:37] <marahin> well you know, the issue is not only in X
[22:38] <marahin> the issue is at console as well - seems like the output raspi gives is broken
[22:38] <punkunity> have you tried an alternate OS to rule out?
[22:38] <marahin> broken as in wrong resolution
[22:38] <marahin> punkunity: i haven't.
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[22:39] <marahin> however i managed to stretch it out with some other settings, but then the resolution was so low that the Xs were stretched out
[22:39] <punkunity> because if say, NOOBS, or any other OS looks good on your display, then its something within Raspbian
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[22:39] <punkunity> are you pretty familiar with Liux?
[22:39] <punkunity> Linux?
[22:39] <marahin> kind of, maybe
[22:39] <Encrypt> tty is the real world
[22:40] <Encrypt> :D
[22:40] <punkunity> maybe ask someone in the Debian channel
[22:40] <marahin> have used arch on notebook for a year, had some rolls with netbsd, several debian based OSes
[22:40] <marahin> mhm
[22:40] <marahin> it seems that even though the hdmi_mode is allright raspi is not able to load it up
[22:40] <punkunity> well, youre pretty familiar if youre using debian and arch especially
[22:40] <marahin> anyways, thank you guys for your time, have a nice evening
[22:40] <punkunity> peace
[22:40] <punkunity> gl
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[22:42] <punkunity> hey marahin
[22:43] <punkunity> theres a raspbian channel too
[22:45] <swiss> lava: yeah, and you still can with insteon
[22:46] <swiss> lava: it has a web api to do everything, or you can even tie in ISY
[22:46] <swiss> lava: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPu7El_Wf2w
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[22:50] <punkunity> Kirito: welcome
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[23:00] <punkunity> so is this a pretty happening community?
[23:03] <shiftplusone> raspberry pi as a whole, yes. On IRC.... sometimes.
[23:03] <shiftplusone> Depends on the time and who's on.
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[23:07] <shiftplusone> Judging by the crickets, right now.... not so much.
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[23:09] <punkunity> lol i see
[23:10] <ApolloJustice> *chirp* *chirp*
[23:10] <punkunity> makes sense
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