#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-01-14

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[1:40] <timmmaaaayyy> whats the fastest way to copy files from a remote smb share? i mounted the remote drive as cifs, but it's going so incredibly slow i feel like maybe i'm not doing it right
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[1:58] <SpeedEvil> First thing to wonder about.
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> Actual megabytes/s
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> you should not expect >5 - even absolute best case
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> well - not much over
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[1:59] <SpeedEvil> Second thing -random write speed of your storage thingy
[1:59] <SpeedEvil> are you copying to SD?
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[2:07] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: I've never seen more than 2MB/s on my RPi when moving files between disk and network, mostly it sits around 900kB/s
[2:07] <timmmaaaayyy> mine is sitting at 61K. haha
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[2:09] <[Saint]> Wireless network?
[2:09] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm writing to an nas (also mounted via smb). it can handle writes alot faster than it's going at the moment. i should try mounting from something other than a pi
[2:09] <[Saint]> Possibly at _very_ low broadcast?
[2:09] <timmmaaaayyy> no wireless
[2:09] <[Saint]> Egads.
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> Are you doing small files?
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> oh - that's less relevant then
[2:10] <SpeedEvil> what's your ping to the NAS/ otherthing
[2:10] <[Saint]> Anyway, yeah, the TL;DR version is: a LOT of sdcards SUCK at random IO, and, you're doing all this IO on a single USB bus.
[2:10] <[Saint]> Netowrk, local storage, everything.
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[2:11] <[Saint]> If you want an SBC solution that's not going to have a heart attack and damn near cripple itself with network storage, get an ODROID>
[2:12] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: for reference, those speeds are with an external USB disk that will happily run at 30MB/s when plugged into my laptop's usb and 150MB/s on e-sata.. if you're going to/from the SD card I'd expect the speed to be fairly abysmal
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> 'i'm writing to an nas
[2:12] <[Saint]> The ODROID C1 is the same equivalent price, and _absolutely blows the raspi out of the water in specs_.
[2:12] <[Saint]> The pi is great, but, its also rather dated now.
[2:13] <timmmaaaayyy> not going to the SD. obth source and dest are remote smb shares
[2:13] <[Saint]> And its never been particularly performant.
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> There are also alternatives with SATA
[2:13] <[Saint]> timmmaaaayyy: one posits the OS is on the sdcard, yes?
[2:13] <[Saint]> Of course its using sd.
[2:13] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: I would have already bought an odroid c1 if it had a soundcard
[2:13] <timmmaaaayyy> source nas is 36ms away and dest nas is <1ms away
[2:13] <SpeedEvil> timmmaaaayyy: The obvious qustion then arises - what are the relative pings - and does just getting and writing a single file is an issue
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[2:14] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: the SD card should not be meaningfully used in a blocking manner when doing a task that's not sucking RAM
[2:14] <SpeedEvil> certainly not a file transfer
[2:14] <[Saint]> SpeedEvil: depends what else is happening in the background.
[2:14] <[Saint]> its all on the same bus.
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[2:14] <timmmaaaayyy> maybe it's the vpn. i was more curious if theres a better way to do this than just mounting smb shares
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[2:15] <timmmaaaayyy> its not a big deal either way. i'll let it go for four days until it finishes
[2:15] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: thankfully, USB DACs are a thing. Its not like the pi doesn't suck with audio unless you're prepared to spend some cash anyway.
[2:15] <[Saint]> (I mean, lets face it, it does)
[2:15] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah that's true
[2:15] <Triffid_Hunter> I hooked my pi up to my amp one time, the massive pops at track changeover almost fired my speaker cones across the room :/
[2:15] <[Saint]> Its a lot better now, but it still sucks. Its "good enough", but not if you're in any way shape or form an audio purist.
[2:16] <[Saint]> The new pis are a LOT less noisey.
[2:16] <Bilby> USB sound cards generally work okay, depending on what software you're using to drive them
[2:16] <[Saint]> but - <3 my Odroid C1s.
[2:16] <Bilby> the Wolfson board is incredibly powerful but a bit overkill if you're just trying to do outputs
[2:16] <[Saint]> yeah, I like the wolfson audio card a lot.
[2:16] <Bilby> I think i2s straight sound cards are the way to go for pi hi fi
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[2:17] <[Saint]> I just wish they would have got around to a new version.
[2:17] <[Saint]> I use an ODROID and a foolishly expensive USB DAC now.
[2:17] <[Saint]> its bliss.
[2:18] <Bilby> nice
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[2:18] <Bilby> oh that's right, the odriod is the suspiciously inexpensive SBC
[2:18] <[Saint]> I'm using a wee ODROID C1 as a streamer/audio box.
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[2:19] <[Saint]> Its _plenty_ fast enough for realtime decode and recode and send of sane codes.
[2:19] <[Saint]> *codecs.
[2:20] <[Saint]> I use it encode mp3 from flac on-demand and stream inside and outside my network.
[2:20] <Bilby> ah, neat. I might have to give one of those a go sometime. Though frankly I barely have time to play with the Pi right now
[2:20] <[Saint]> reads from the vast flac dump on the NAS.
[2:21] <[Saint]> The gigE network was the huge decider.
[2:21] <Bilby> the gbit ethernet and ability to run android is interesting, though
[2:21] <[Saint]> Even if it didn't have eMMC.
[2:21] <[Saint]> huh, snap.
[2:21] <[Saint]> it also uses an architecture that isn't dead in the water.
[2:21] <[Saint]> ...lookin' at you, ARMv6.
[2:21] <Bilby> *cough*
[2:22] <Bilby> I wonder if the XU3 would make a decent thin client desktop
[2:22] <[Saint]> If there's one thing I'm bitter at the pi about, its that it almost singlehandedly revived ARMv6.
[2:22] <[Saint]> It was ALMOST DEAD, let it die!
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[2:23] <[Saint]> It had been relegated to the crappy Android handsets no one wants for years.
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[2:27] <Bilby> [Saint] haha
[2:28] * Bilby wanders off for some supper
[2:28] <ozzzy> hehe.... I thought that said 'stripper'
[2:28] <Bilby> eh, could be that too ;)
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[2:29] <[Saint]> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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[2:40] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: my phone is armv6 :/
[2:40] <[Saint]> ..I'm so sorry.
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[2:41] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: heh it's pretty old, maybe 5 years now.. haven't replaced it because it does everything I need it to
[2:42] <[Saint]> I figure that consists of "telephony, and very, very, very little else"
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[2:42] <[Saint]> Is it at least NEON?
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[2:42] <[Saint]> ARMv6 sans NEON makes me want to kill puppies.
[2:43] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: no idea, says ARMv6-compatible rev 5 (v6l)
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[2:50] <timmmaaaayyy> any idea how to fix "mount.nfs: Stale NFS file handle"
[2:51] <timmmaaaayyy> everything i see online doesn't work. one solution mentioned "umount -l" which doesn't exist. one said to mount -o remount, which also didn't work. stopping /etc/init.d/nfs-common doesn't work
[2:53] <[Saint]> I assure you it does.
[2:54] <[Saint]> saint@saint-virtual-server-19
[2:54] <[Saint]> saint@saint-desktop:~$ man umount
[2:54] <[Saint]> ...
[2:54] <[Saint]> Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the file hierarchy now, and clean up all
[2:54] <[Saint]> references to this filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore. (Requires kernel
[2:54] <[Saint]> 2.4.11 or later.)
[2:55] <[Saint]> gah, I didn't clean that up correctly *and* my pastebin script failed.
[2:55] <timmmaaaayyy> ah yes....it does
[2:55] <timmmaaaayyy> root@serverPI /mnt # umount -l /mnt/download
[2:55] <timmmaaaayyy> umount.nfs: /mnt/download: Stale NFS file handle
[2:55] <[Saint]> Nice. Anyhoo...
[2:55] <timmmaaaayyy> still doesn't work
[2:55] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: I spent years trying to find a solution to Stale NFS file handle.
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[2:55] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: I did eventually "fix" it.. by ditching NFS completely and using sshfs instead
[2:55] <[Saint]> egads, you're root?
[2:55] <[Saint]> 0_0
[2:55] <timmmaaaayyy> what did ou do? stop using nfs?? :)
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[2:57] <Triffid_Hunter> I never could understand why it was so hard for the NFS client to just get a fresh handle from the server
[2:58] <timmmaaaayyy> maybe this is why some of the guys at work despise nfs
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[2:59] <timmmaaaayyy> so am i stuck like this until i reboot?
[2:59] <timmmaaaayyy> i cant belive umount -f doesn't work. this is just silly
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[3:01] <Hawson> timmmaaaayyy: what's the isue?
[3:01] <timmmaaaayyy> umount.nfs: /mnt/download: Stale NFS file handle
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[3:02] <Hawson> so, that's caused by a few things...
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[3:02] <Hawson> nfs server going away
[3:02] <Hawson> mount export going away
[3:02] <Hawson> serious network issues
[3:02] <timmmaaaayyy> its still there. another nfs export is currently mounted
[3:02] <Hawson> So, there's a server "S", and client C
[3:02] <Hawson> the stale mount is on C
[3:03] <timmmaaaayyy> yes, the client is the one with the erro
[3:03] <Hawson> does 'fuser -mva /mnt/download' return anything (besides a stale error
[3:03] <Triffid_Hunter> Hawson: for me it would happen randomly, despite having 100% <5ms pings to the server since before initial mount
[3:04] <Hawson> does 'lsof |grep /mnt/download' turn up anything?
[3:04] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: umount -lf /mnt/blah then remount would typically work
[3:04] <Hawson> (I'm getting to lazy umounts...working through the bag of tricks first)
[3:04] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: -lf is a tricky one, it basically tells the kernel to disappear the mount from userspace, but keep it in kernel space until it can unmount properly
[3:04] <timmmaaaayyy> root@serverPI /mnt # fuser -mva /mnt/download
[3:04] <timmmaaaayyy> USER PID ACCESS COMMAND
[3:04] <timmmaaaayyy> /mnt/download: root kernel mount /mnt/qnap
[3:04] <Hawson> and...it happens that sometimes the only solution is to bounce the box
[3:05] <timmmaaaayyy> LOL bash: lsof: command not found
[3:05] <timmmaaaayyy> installing
[3:06] <Triffid_Hunter> but then, if remount works, why can't the client just do that without complaining?
[3:06] <Hawson> wait...a remount worked?
[3:06] <Hawson> mount -oremount
[3:06] <Hawson> ?
[3:07] <Triffid_Hunter> Hawson: in my case I mean umount -lf then mount
[3:07] <Hawson> oh
[3:07] <timmmaaaayyy> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() nfs file system /mnt/download
[3:07] <timmmaaaayyy> Output information may be incomplete.
[3:07] <Triffid_Hunter> which is basically remount for completely brain-dead filesystems
[3:07] <Hawson> So, I've not delved too keeply into the acutal kernel code for that, but I imaigine that could cause some duplicated kernel strucuts...
[3:07] <timmmaaaayyy> umount -lf doesn't work
[3:07] <Hawson> the old one...and the new one
[3:08] <Hawson> do 'umount -vf '
[3:08] <Hawson> anything else interenesting
[3:08] <Hawson> ?
[3:08] <Hawson> Triffid_Hunter: could be really odd too...since you might have some daemon kicking around, using the old mount somehow
[3:08] <Hawson> and new processes using the new one
[3:09] <Triffid_Hunter> Hawson: well if the client would automatically freshen stale handles then there wouldn't be any problem at all
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[3:09] <Hawson> and if NFS didn't suck, there'd be no problem either.
[3:10] <Hawson> but everything else, I've found--and I've done a lot of searching, sucks more
[3:10] <Hawson> which is a sad, sad state of affiars
[3:10] <timmmaaaayyy> root@serverPI /mnt # umount -vf /mnt/download
[3:10] <timmmaaaayyy> umount.nfs: /mnt/download: Stale NFS file handle
[3:10] <Triffid_Hunter> sshfs is glorious fwiw
[3:10] <Hawson> and slow. :)
[3:10] <Hawson> but works
[3:10] <Triffid_Hunter> Hawson: not if you use hpn sshfsd and the null cipher
[3:11] <Hawson> Then you're back to NFS
[3:11] <Hawson> No Fucking Security
[3:11] <Hawson> HPN++
[3:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Hawson: sure, if it was going over wires I didn't control I would never use null cipher
[3:11] * Hawson nods
[3:11] <timmmaaaayyy> ah man i hate you nfs
[3:12] <Triffid_Hunter> but between a bunch of computers in the same house over wired ethernet, I don't see the point in encrypting and taking the speed hit
[3:12] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: we all do
[3:12] <Hawson> Triffid_Hunter: yep
[3:12] <Hawson> pNFS 4.1
[3:12] * Hawson dream
[3:12] <Hawson> s
[3:12] <timmmaaaayyy> any other ideas?
[3:13] <Hawson> bounce the box
[3:13] <Triffid_Hunter> timmmaaaayyy: sshfs
[3:13] <Hawson> we had some serious autofs hiccups...
[3:13] <timmmaaaayyy> to get this unmounted
[3:13] <Hawson> say, are yo uusing autofs?
[3:13] <Hawson> ...autofs issues at work today---hundreds of hosts
[3:13] <Hawson> we managed to recover almost all of them, but 2 had to get kicked
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[3:59] <Geo> Hi, I'm looking to install a *super*lightweight, easy to run webserver on the pi that will only serve a single page of gibberish (for testing purposes). What do you recommend?
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[4:00] <abnormal> A+
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[4:57] <wizworks> hello all.
[4:58] <wizworks> a project I built with the Pi: http://wizworks.net/projects/hotspot
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[7:05] <heller\> any ideas for a wireless transfer between rpi?
[7:06] <heller\> i would like to make a wireless sensor for raspberry
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[7:08] <[Saint]> heller\: (huh...\ is a valid character for IRC nicks? That seems like a potential abuse waiting to happen. Anyway...) Not unless $sensor_you_use already has some form of wireless send feature already, not really.
[7:09] <heller\> [Saint]: seems to be :)
[7:09] <heller\> [Saint]: well i was thinking of xbee, but its quite expencive
[7:09] <heller\> i want some cheap and most of all easy to use wireless solution
[7:09] <[Saint]> WHat is it you're wanting to sense?
[7:10] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: irc is pretty loose with restrictions on characters, can use basically anything in a nick except @, : or space from memory
[7:11] <[Saint]> An secondhand Android device might be a very viable option, but I'm completely unsure what you're wanting to actually detect.
[7:11] <heller\> [Saint]: temp at least
[7:12] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
[7:12] <heller\> i could do tmp35 and xbee to send analog values
[7:12] <[Saint]> There's no real standouts in the cost-effective raspberrypi-esque market.
[7:12] <[Saint]> none I'm aware of.
[7:13] <heller\> are those 433mhz rx/tx pairs any good for something?
[7:13] <[Saint]> though there's many boards in a slightly higher price range with a _fleet_ of sensors available.
[7:13] <[Saint]> The STE Snowball has more sensors embedded than you can poke something pointy at.
[7:13] <[Saint]> (buuuuuuuuuuut, its discontinues, and the community there is virtually nil)
[7:14] <[Saint]> *discontinued
[7:14] <heller\> heh
[7:15] <[Saint]> You might well find it more cost effective to buy a whole new board with sensors attached than it is to try to bake functionality onto the raspi.
[7:15] <[Saint]> but that really depends on what you're wanting to do with it and how future-proof you need it to be.
[7:16] <[Saint]> Actually, a whole other raspi board, and a little digital thermometer unit and two wireless dongles is probably even going to be cheaper than $sonsors+xbee
[7:17] <[Saint]> you'd only need a model A for that task.
[7:17] <[Saint]> *sensors
[7:18] <[Saint]> Just make sure you give things a fair look around before pulling the trigger on that buy now button. ;)
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[7:19] <[Saint]> a raspi model a, a thermo sensing unit, and two wireless dongles is somewhere in the order of $50, and that's being fairly generous.
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[7:23] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
[7:23] <[Saint]> Arch forgot how to math.
[7:23] <[Saint]> :: Retrieving packages ...
[7:23] <[Saint]> git-2.2.2-1-armv6h 3.5 MiB 989K/s 00:03 [################################] 45%
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[9:05] <antoon> good morning world
[9:08] <ApolloJustice> hi
[9:08] <[Saint]> Good morning starshine.
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[15:18] <DoctorD90> guys....i would like an oscilloscope....but it cost very much.....i can understand....but doesnt exists some breakboard/shield for raspberry to transform it in a oscilloscope?
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[15:19] <ApolloJustice> DoctorD90, probably, but it's not going to be good, investing on a scope is going to be way better in the long run
[15:19] <ShorTie> they have come down to like 400 bucks
[15:20] <Tachyon`> DoctorD90, you can't easily use a pi as a scope, there's no realtime kernel
[15:20] <Tachyon`> although you migh tbe able to with another chip doing buffering
[15:21] <Bilby> There are little oscilliscope kits you can buy, but they don't use a pi
[15:21] <Bilby> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12848
[15:22] <Bilby> only handles up to 1mhz but for under a hundred bucks that's not bad
[15:22] <DoctorD90> yes yes, i understand, but im newbbie to electronic, so a real/good scope is too much for me (now). i would just start to playing with "kid" stuff...so one day, i can use much better....and im always a student xD 100€ is very much for me xD
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[15:23] <DoctorD90> eh....100 xP i hope some "easy" board to use as interface....at the end, i havent to checkout home plug .....just play with little voltage....i have to learn :)
[15:23] <DoctorD90> and im the kind of person that learn better by doing too, not only reading that stuff from a book :P
[15:24] <ApolloJustice> most cheap scopes probably will teach you nothing, since when you move to a good scope everything will be different, i'd recommend just saving up and getting a good scope
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[15:25] <ApolloJustice> i'm talking about like the cheap scope kits that you build
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[15:26] <DoctorD90> yea, i have read about some "home made scope" using audio jack like input with audio card as interface :P
[15:27] <DoctorD90> i would just undesratnd phasis, and other electric stuff by changing them and see the graph, to understand what that thing means :P
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[15:27] <DoctorD90> but like that home made solutions....are little "hold" in very short range of functioning
[15:28] <ApolloJustice> uh
[15:28] <ApolloJustice> i dunno mna
[15:28] <DoctorD90> btw.....maybe create an oscilloscope (an eascy scope) could be funny :D .....
[15:28] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: I'd go a differnt way and suggest you start off with a logic analyzer :)
[15:28] <ApolloJustice> just save and get a good scope, plus i didn't understand what you said
[15:28] <ApolloJustice> lel
[15:28] <Jck_true> They can be really really cheap
[15:28] <DoctorD90> logic? means tester?
[15:29] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: Means it it only does 1's and 0's - For digital signals :)
[15:29] <Jck_true> Depending on what you do that can be fun enough with some slow I2C/SPI :)
[15:29] <DoctorD90> ah ...lol....connection yes/connection no....sound tester...maybe understand xD ....
[15:30] <Jck_true> An oscilloscope plots voltage over time
[15:30] <DoctorD90> thx ApolloJustice probably it is the best solution...wait to finish univ, and get a work to purchase it :) .....maybe the one :P
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[15:31] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: https://www.saleae.com/logic/
[15:31] <ShorTie> sounds like the best plan
[15:32] <DoctorD90> Jck_true: im a "meccanic" person...i realize/project what i can see.....electricity cant.....and maybe with a little scope, understand electricity could help me :)
[15:33] <ShorTie> you might be able to pick up a used 1 at a ham fest
[15:35] <DoctorD90> okok....the "wait plan" seems unfortunally the best again...hehe.....thx for suggests guys :)
[15:36] <Jck_true> I'd rather live without a scope if I was to have an old analog one....
[15:37] <DoctorD90> Jck_true: the day i will have money for one, i will buy it :) but 149$ is yet too much for my wallet at this time........
[15:39] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: How about 10USD then? http://www.dx.com/p/logic-analyzer-w-dupont-lines-and-usb-cable-for-scm-black-148945?Utm_rid=58973692
[15:41] <Bilby> whoops, side-tracked by updating work logs
[15:41] <Bilby> 13.5 hours / 25.5 man-hours worked over christmas break on one giant bloody project
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[15:42] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: It's not completely useless - I got one (Reflashed to work with the Saleae software :))
[15:42] <abnormal> can't wait until the pi-top arrives on the market...
[15:43] <Bilby> well that's a handy-dandy little toy Jck_true
[15:44] <Jck_true> Bilby: It crashes on the highest setting for me though... (Either 50 or 40mhz so I run it at half that speed)
[15:47] <Jck_true> Bilby: The casing is absolutly junk - And the'res only a pair of female-female jumpers included
[15:47] <abnormal> this is what I wanted to get, but the closest vendor is in Canada.... ===> http://www.expeyes.in/
[15:48] <Bilby> It says it supports the CAN bus. I wonder if i could use it to reverse-engineer my car's control system... probably don't have the huevos
[15:48] <Jck_true> Bilby: Why not go for a plain ELM327 adapter?
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[15:50] <Jck_true> ... ARGGHHHH! Seriously WTF?!? The Visual Studio Solution file is for VS2010.... But all the individual projects are VS2005 projects... And the machine I got told to use has VS2008.... (And VS Express 2010 which doesn't work)
[15:51] <DoctorD90> ehm....... Jck_true ....sorry...can i ask you some more example usage of this one? :D it seems very "toy approach" and very easy to understand trougth the graph of console......and with rpi board, i have to use i2c protocol :) from what i have understand, it seems to make tests....can i ask some more informations about this kindnof instrument? :)
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[15:51] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: Go for it
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[15:56] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: You know the basics of an oscilloscope? How it plots voltage over time right?
[15:57] <Bilby> Jck_true i'm looking more for internal stuff that isn't on the OBDII standard - like door lock status, window control, etc
[15:57] <DoctorD90> uhm.....maybe xD .....my electrical competentions is very low....
[15:57] <Jck_true> Bilby: I see I see :)
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[15:58] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: Well... If you're not entirely sure what an Oscilloscope does... I kinda doubt you really need one :)
[15:58] <Bilby> DoctorD90 sometimes it's better to pick a thing you want to do, and try to get the knowledge to do it. So... what do you want to do?
[15:59] <Bilby> Flash a LED? Open a garage door? Operate a robot? Build a perfect, functional 1/8-scale model of the Death Star?
[15:59] <[Saint]> Last time I checked, believe it or not, control a quadrocoptor with TCL (yep, TCL)
[16:00] <DoctorD90> Jck_true: how scope accomolish its work...i dont know...what scope does...it showes the wave that ac makes....
[16:01] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: The Sinus wave from AC you can get from a 20 USD analog scope you buy from craigslist....
[16:01] <Bilby> *Sine
[16:01] <DoctorD90> Bilby: death star is in todo list xD ahahah...but first of all learn electric stuff better than now. [Saint] +1
[16:01] <DoctorD90> lol ...good to know xD
[16:02] <[Saint]> Sinus waves sound painful.
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[16:03] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: AC is 50 or 60HZ... Which is really slow compared to microprocessor time...
[16:03] <DoctorD90> btw...this is my basic knowledge of what an scope does :)
[16:03] <Bilby> Hertz = Cycle = "per second"
[16:03] <DoctorD90> ok, im untill here
[16:03] <Bilby> so 1hz = once per second
[16:03] <Bilby> 1khz / kilohertz = 1000 per second
[16:03] <DoctorD90> yes, this i know too :)
[16:04] <DoctorD90> yes yes...mega giga..yes, this i know :)
[16:04] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: You know what HDMI CEC is?
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[16:04] <Bilby> 1mhz / megahertz = 1,000,000 per second
[16:05] <DoctorD90> hdmi is the acronimus for high definition.....HD cable that require high speed....cec no
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[16:06] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: CEC is the protocol used for fancy new TV's to display the name of the DVD player or send buttons from the TV remote to the DVD player
[16:06] <ShorTie> CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) extensions.
[16:06] <Jck_true> Jck_true: CEC uses I2C
[16:07] <DoctorD90> ok, understood untill here
[16:07] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: That means on a HDMI cable there will be two pins
[16:08] <Jck_true> SDA SCK - Which carry the actual data sent from the TV to the DVD player
[16:08] <Jck_true> With the right hardware you are able to capture that communication
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[16:09] <DoctorD90> scl? .....or sck? once is the data line(sda) and other the clock (scl/sck)
[16:09] <Jck_true> Correct
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[16:10] <Jck_true> Just opened the specs - Smallest time period is 0.4ms for HDMI CEC
[16:11] <DoctorD90> (i have to charge my paypal to order my first i2c breakboard for rpi so something i have red ^^)
[16:11] <DoctorD90> ....wow....
[16:11] <Jck_true> Which means you need something that is able to sample that signal at that speed
[16:11] <Jck_true> (If you wanna debug it)
[16:11] <DoctorD90> obliviously
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[16:13] <Jck_true> In theory you could sit with a multimeter
[16:13] <Jck_true> And measure the signal every 0.4 ms
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[16:14] <Jck_true> An oscilloscope plots the voltage over time instead
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[16:15] <DoctorD90> yes, showing it as graph....
[16:16] <Jck_true> Now a Logic Analyzer is the basic version of this
[16:16] <Bilby> so minimum 2.5khz speed on the HDMI CEC
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[16:17] <Jck_true> It's not able to measure the voltage - It is only able to say "if voltage > 2V" Record it as 1 - If voltage < 0.8V record it as 0
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[16:20] <DoctorD90> ah. ...ok, but if i need of voltage ampere or watt i can use multimeter.....btw, rpi can outs 2v?
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[16:21] <DoctorD90> i mean....if voltage is 0.8>x>2?
[16:24] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: The Pi runs at 3.3V
[16:25] <Jck_true> DoctorD90: Good luck :)
[16:25] <DoctorD90> uh! lol! rigth xD sorry xD .....tributary law (my exam) is wasting my mind xD sorry..you have rigth....
[16:25] <Jck_true> Time for me to get back out into the snow.... Why did I buy a motorbike in the firstplace... So stupid...
[16:26] <ozzzy> you answered your own question
[16:26] <ozzzy> =)
[16:27] <DoctorD90> so, once i connect that to gpio, and turn 1 pin on, i will see it "High" in program...and if i use pwm, i will see it like i was looking for with a scope.....
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[16:28] <DoctorD90> ok, great! it is very usefull for me to start playing :) very thx you Jck_true for this basic explain! thx!
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[16:34] <theBestNunu> hi guys
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[16:34] <theBestNunu> im trying to set this volume script up
[16:34] <theBestNunu> http://www.dronkert.net/rpi/vol.html
[16:35] <theBestNunu> i changed the max volume to 44 as thats what my speakers need
[16:35] <theBestNunu> when i set vol 0 or vol 100 it works full range
[16:35] <theBestNunu> but when i vol + or vol - it doesnt change
[16:35] <theBestNunu> or changes a little and stucks
[16:35] <theBestNunu> any ideas?
[16:36] <DoctorD90> ah! Jck_true sorry, but when i connect it to i2c, and run my program to check output before connect breakboard(because i can connect it in serial rigth?) i have to use the rigth i2c addresses rigth?
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[16:39] <Bilby> theBestNunu not sure on that one... does the sound work if you set it manually?/
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[16:45] <theBestNunu> i've set it up already. some guy at #linux channel helped me
[16:46] <theBestNunu> i needed to change (( ABS = PCT * LEN / 100 ))
[16:46] <theBestNunu> to (( ABS = PCT * LEN / 44 ))
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[16:48] <ShorTie> what is so special about 44, other then maybe that is the output level to which you can actually hear it ??
[16:50] <DoctorD90> ShorTie, Bilby, do you know the answer to my question? :P
[16:50] <ShorTie> sorry, nop
[16:51] <Bilby> sorry
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[16:57] <DoctorD90> yea thx :) ^^ ..even if...thinking about it..i2c has to be parallel...so probably i can put them in parallel
[17:00] <giddles> hello again nice ppl :) am i right that the v4l2 driver is included in the update/upgrade pack. after you helped me here so i nice i have to format my sd card :/..
[17:02] * ShorTie thinkz, good notes are key to successfull linux playing
[17:03] <ShorTie> along with, practice makes perfect, hehe...
[17:03] <giddles> year shortie, when i have learned some i will gave it all back.. every start seems to be rough
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[17:07] <DoctorD90> ah ShorTie, tcl has timer that use ms.....not 0.x ms...but ms as unit of measurement can be good enough :) (i hope xD)
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[17:09] <[Saint]> giddles: pro-tip, regular backups
[17:09] <giddles> hehe :D
[17:10] <[Saint]> dd an image back to another host occasionally, when you've got things set to your preference.
[17:10] <giddles> well motion was shooting all up by my wrong configuration
[17:10] <ShorTie> don't forget, the pi has no real time clock, so accuracy may not be there
[17:10] <[Saint]> just reverse the source and destination paths as you would when writing an image to sd.
[17:10] <[Saint]> bam - magic, full backup.
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[17:11] <DoctorD90> ShorTie: sorry, this what really means? that 1ms can be in reality 3-4ms?
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[17:23] <DoctorD90> bopr: create a login page, and use webio(if i remember well) so yo can control tehm trougth web :)
[17:23] <DoctorD90> (login page just to be sure)
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[17:43] <Bilby> bopr i think I used webio as well
[17:43] <Bilby> any particular reason you were using a database-driven page?
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[18:15] <DoctorD90> Jck_true: when you come back, please, tell me :) i have find out probably good offert :) i'd like you agree them :)
[18:15] <bopr> Bilby, i want to make a webapp to control the gpio pins through my phone. What's the best way to do that?
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[18:16] <DoctorD90> bopr: webio is the best start point :)
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[18:18] <heller\> anyone used a phototransistor with raspberry pi?
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[18:21] <SpeedEvil> Many people.
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> What're you trying to do
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[18:22] <heller\> read a blinkin led :)
[18:22] <heller\> which is blinkin fast
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> how close to the LED?
[18:23] <heller\> almost lit up
[18:23] <heller\> on top of it
[18:23] <heller\> pleksiglass between them
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> Can you get to the point you can measure on a multimeter 0V/3.3V or so when it's on/off
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[18:26] <didzan> Hi all. I'm trying to make my custom splash screen while booting, but I can't find how display an animated gif. Any help please?
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[18:26] <didzan> Hi all. I'm trying to make my custom splash screen while booting, but I can't find how to display an animated gif. Any help please?
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[18:30] <xxValiumxx> eugh, I hate reading channel rules.
[18:30] <xxValiumxx> Welp, I guess I wont be saying B*****S when I mean BANANAS
[18:31] <didzan> Hi all. I'm trying to make my custom splash screen while booting, but I can't find how to display an animated gif. Any help please? I worked with fbi library to display a png image, but doesn't work for gifs
[18:32] <xxValiumxx> huh. I didn't even know that was possible.
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[18:33] <xxValiumxx> sorry didzan, I'm still trying to remember why it was I wanted one of these things.
[18:34] <Bilby> bopr sorry for the delay in responding
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> ****
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[18:36] <didzan> I tested with a loop for steam a video in omxplayer, but never end
[18:37] <didzan> sorry, my english is not good
[18:37] <Bilby> bopr i found this app worked very well --> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.stochastictechnologies.tungsten
[18:39] <didzan> I was thinking that when the Raspbian will be ready to go on desktop then system kill the video, but not.
[18:39] <bopr> Bilby, what do i install on the pi?
[18:40] <Bilby> webiopi is what i used
[18:40] <Bilby> https://code.google.com/p/webiopi/
[18:40] <didzan> xxValiumxx
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[18:40] <bopr> gonna give it a shot tonight, thanks!
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[18:41] <xxValiumxx> yes didzan?
[18:41] <Bilby> welcome! i did some playing and got it to work pretty well, including with custom functions in python
[18:42] <DoctorD90> bopr: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.teubi.raspi_gpio
[18:43] <Bilby> ah, interesting. there's another
[18:43] <DoctorD90> and this one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nz.org.winters.android.gpiotoolforraspberrypi
[18:43] <Bilby> I wanted something that i could do custom calls with. That looks a little more simple to start out
[18:43] <didzan> sorry, I forgot your nick in my last comments
[18:44] <bopr> that one looks easier to start with :)
[18:44] <didzan> sorry xxValiumxx, I forgot your nick in my last comments
[18:44] <DoctorD90> Bilby: you can customize fully tungsten(from what i have read)....with that two, it is possible a much easier approach :)
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[18:47] <DoctorD90> Bilby: can i ask you a little stuff?..... i go to copy....
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[18:48] <xxValiumxx> https://poweredbyredstone.com/raspberry-pi-case/ I did this last night.
[18:50] <DoctorD90> xxValiumxx: very nice work! complimenti! ^^
[18:50] <xxValiumxx> Thank you!
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[18:50] <DoctorD90> Bilby: if you know, when i read " Max. Sampling rate: 24Msps; Sample rate: 24MHz " in logic analyzer description, what does it mean?
[18:51] <Bilby> Hmm
[18:51] <Bilby> i'm not familiar with msps
[18:51] <xxValiumxx> Million Samples Per Second
[18:52] <xxValiumxx> they mean the same thing, btw
[18:52] <xxValiumxx> just that the max is 24 MHz and that it actually samples at 24MHz
[18:52] <Bilby> yeah that's an odd way to say it
[18:52] <xxValiumxx> indeed it is.
[18:53] <DoctorD90> but it goes at 0.4ms like i2c does, rigth?
[18:53] <xxValiumxx> so, am I alone in being annoyed about not having composite A/V available on header pins?
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[18:54] <xxValiumxx> where it the 0.4ms coming from?
[18:54] <xxValiumxx> s/it/is
[18:57] <DoctorD90> xxValiumxx: before i asked about scope....someone helps me to understand that a cheaper stuff for pourpose is an analogic analyzer
[18:57] <DoctorD90> (~9$)
[18:57] <Bilby> DoctorD90 yes. .4ms is 2.4khz
[18:58] <DoctorD90> to come at this he talk about i2c (related to rpi) and i2c lowest speed is 0.4ms speed
[18:59] <DoctorD90> he finds http://www.dx.com/p/logic-analyzer-w-dupont-lines-and-usb-cable-for-scm-black-148945?Utm_rid=58973692#.VLaBYYlyfbU
[18:59] <DoctorD90> but looking on ebay (im from italy) i have found out these too, and i like a tip:
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[18:59] <DoctorD90> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Saleae-Logic-8-Analyzer-/321641641124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae355f4a4
[19:00] <DoctorD90> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Compatible-with-Saleae-USB-Logic-24MHz-8Ch-Logic-Analyzer-Supports-1-1-15-USA-/261496674835?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce26a9a13#shpCntId
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[19:03] <xxValiumxx> DoctorD90 I added a picture of the bottom https://poweredbyredstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/rpi4.jpg
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[19:03] <xxValiumxx> I kinda want to know where those test points connect.
[19:04] <DoctorD90> ah ok.....i was asking you why so many holes....
[19:04] <xxValiumxx> those holes are because the pins on the ports are longer than the rest
[19:05] <xxValiumxx> so this lets the board sit flatter in the case
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[19:23] <mikh3x4> I have a headless rpi set up to broadcast a ad hoc wifi so I can ssh in. The network is visible from my mac. The problem is that I ping or ssh the rpi until i connect it to a ethernet network. This should have no impart as the mac isn't even conected to the wired network. What could be casuing this? Pastebin of /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/c87266cd. Thanks in advanced
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[19:23] <xxValiumxx> can you pase the output of ifconfig?
[19:24] <Bilby> you can ping or can't ping it until it's connected to ethernet?
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[19:25] <mikh3x4> Bilby: I can't ping it if conected to the same ad hoc. When I conect the pi to a unrelated ethernet it works over the ad hoc
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[19:28] <mikh3x4> Bilby: I have add how i set up the ad hoc here: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/8d1440b0
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[19:30] <omfgtora> guys, i want to thank everyone for their help getting an rpi webkiosk set up. they accepted my proposal to replace 5 computers with rpi's that will be attached to the back of the monitors, saving space and electricity and increasing stability and ease-of-use.
[19:30] <omfgtora> also, i got a $2 raise
[19:33] <[Saint]> raspis and increased stability don't often get used in the same sentence...
[19:33] <giddles> hmm sudo modprobe bcm2835-v4l2 ? for installing rpi cam on an updated raspbian?
[19:33] <[Saint]> One wonders what on earth they replaced for that to be true.
[19:33] <giddles> i ask the last time ;) i write it down simoulteanous
[19:34] <Bilby> mikh3x4 interesting
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[19:34] <Bilby> have you tried manually running the commands and seeing if that changes the result?
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[19:36] <omfgtora> [Saint]: well, previously there were old pentium 3 computers running a linux os from the disc drive
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[19:36] <[Saint]> Aha.
[19:36] <[Saint]> Well...that explains things.
[19:36] <[Saint]> A lot.
[19:36] <omfgtora> so, they would have to be restarted often and restarting them required a forced shutdown
[19:37] <omfgtora> yeah
[19:37] <omfgtora> no need for that crap
[19:37] <omfgtora> using 400w for each computer
[19:37] <omfgtora> just to run a disc drive OS
[19:37] <[Saint]> And now you're near ~4W
[19:37] <[Saint]> Heh.
[19:37] <Bilby> mikh3x4 i wonder if using the router IP is causing an issue. ttry assigning the wlan0 to something like 192.168.1.12
[19:38] <mikh3x4> I don't see a way of going a bout that since I must run them (and connect to a random ethernet) to be able to ssh. After conecting I tried running them again and disconecting the etherne
[19:38] <Bilby> oh, true
[19:38] <omfgtora> exactly [Saint]!
[19:38] <mikh3x4> Bilby: so running sudo ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.12 netmask 255.255.255.0?
[19:39] <omfgtora> also, i got these cables with an on/off switch built in to make rebooting simple
[19:39] <omfgtora> the cost of each unit (including the cost of donating for the image) is $76
[19:40] <[Saint]> You should've opened a competing business ;))
[19:40] <mikh3x4> ill disconect from freenode to change wifi, and try it out. Ill be back
[19:40] <[Saint]> Though, many contracts strictly prohibit this
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[19:40] <Bilby> mikh3x4 yeah try that
[19:41] <[Saint]> I'm slightly less moral I think. Opening me own competing business rather than directly benefiting my employer would've been my first idea.
[19:41] <[Saint]> ...man, that's horrible. Heh.
[19:41] * [Saint] shrugs
[19:42] <Bilby> I wouldn't try to undercut something my employer offers directly
[19:42] <Bilby> that's fairly unethical
[19:42] <Bilby> but if they don't offer that service... it's a little more grey :P
[19:42] <[Saint]> If you don't, someone else will.
[19:42] <[Saint]> That's business sweetheart.
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[19:43] <Bilby> Yeah, if i was working as a tech and found out an employee was stealing customers by undercutting, they'd be canned immediately
[19:43] <Bilby> You don't hamstring the person giving you money
[19:44] <[Saint]> If your contract doesn't specifically prohibit it, and many do, I'd love them to try.
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[19:44] <[Saint]> That's an unfair dismissal suit waiting to happen.
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[19:45] <[Saint]> Moral? No. But business rarely is.
[19:45] <Bilby> That's why places have non-compete clause
[19:45] <Bilby> sure it is. there's business, and then there's being shady
[19:45] <[Saint]> Its fairly common, but not deployed as a rule. Which is why I mentioned it explicitly
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[19:46] <[Saint]> Business is all about selling something to someone for more than you can get it for.
[19:46] <[Saint]> Its all shady if you think like that
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[19:47] <[Saint]> You're always shafting someone, its usually just the customer.
[19:47] * [Saint] shrugs
[19:47] <mikh3x4> Bilby: manaly running comands dosn't help. Unfortunetly I need to go now, but thank you very much for you help
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[19:47] <Bilby> mikh3x4 welcome. good luck
[19:48] <giddles> hm so
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[19:49] <Bilby> If you're liscenced / bonded / insured (as needed) and using your own parts, and the employer doesn't have a non-compete, and you explicitely state that you are not working affiliated with the employer, you'd be legally in the clear
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[19:52] <Bilby> and a lot is contextual anyhow
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[20:03] <omfgtora> [Saint]: how could i make a business out of... what? putting together webkiosks?
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[20:30] <pr0t> Hi, I am looking for a geiger counter for my pi b+ does anyone know of any good ones out there?
[20:31] <xxValiumxx> pr0t hmm.... ah, I have one here.
[20:31] <xxValiumxx> def counter: while True / geiger = geiger+1
[20:31] <xxValiumxx> sorry, bad joke
[20:32] <pr0t> heh
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[20:33] <xxValiumxx> pr0t http://opengeiger.de/
[20:35] <xxValiumxx> http://www.playspoon.com/wiki/index.php/GeigerCounter
[20:36] <xxValiumxx> http://www.radiation-watch.org/p/pocketgeiger.html
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[20:38] <xxValiumxx> pr0t that any help?
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[20:38] <pr0t> ya thanks
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[20:40] <Anigdtef> hello
[20:41] <giddles> it works again :D
[20:41] <xxValiumxx> it stopped?
[20:41] <giddles> yes
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[20:41] <xxValiumxx> what did?
[20:41] <giddles> my pinoir cam ;)
[20:41] <Anigdtef> how do I blink the ok led on my pi?
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[20:58] <SpeakerToMeat> Greets
[20:58] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, it seems it's now completely possible to play blu-rays from a blu-ray usb drive on the pi, isn't it?
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[20:59] <xxValiumxx> I haven't a clue.
[21:00] <didzan> I installed Python-3.4.2. After that, I asked about pip, and say that there is no a module pip. I took long time browsing, and still the problem. What can I do?
[21:02] <didzan> Did anybody install Python 3.4.2 without issues?
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[21:06] <Bilby> SpeakerToMeat hmm... i'm not sure how codecs are going to work there, but it seems at least hypothetically possible
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[21:12] <SpeakerToMeat> I ask something different. does the hardware acelerated VLC 2.2 for the pi come in a gui-less version that can be launched and controlled via api/bus?
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[21:15] <giddles> so
[21:15] <giddles> nice what things are possible to do with a pi ;)
[21:16] <SpeakerToMeat> giddles: They're infinite
[21:16] <giddles> hmm infinite i wouldnt say ;)
[21:17] <giddles> 30mins to conf a v4l2 driver ^^
[21:20] <xxValiumxx> you can..... overclock it and make it suck less.
[21:20] <giddles> hehe
[21:20] <[Saint]> For varying definitions if less.
[21:20] <[Saint]> *of
[21:20] <giddles> well with one pinoir cam and motion it works very fine.. since my ir light arrived... :D
[21:21] <[Saint]> Some units seem to absolutely hate being OCed.
[21:21] <[Saint]> Others, most, are fine.
[21:21] <[Saint]> Some flip their cookies.
[21:21] <giddles> never thought that unseeable light could be itense ^^
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[21:22] <xxValiumxx> how much ram should I really be allocating to the GPU?
[21:23] <[Saint]> There shouldn't ever really be any reason to touch it.
[21:23] <xxValiumxx> sorry?
[21:23] <Bilby> ^
[21:23] <[Saint]> I myself strip it *right* back...but all my pis are headless and don't even have a GUI, or even a window manager.
[21:24] <[Saint]> Joe Average should just leave it.
[21:24] <Bilby> if you're not driving a display yeah you can reduce it
[21:24] <[Saint]> err...s/GUI/DE/
[21:24] <xxValiumxx> I was just noticing that my config.txt has it set to 256
[21:24] <[Saint]> WHAT!?!
[21:24] <[Saint]> wow...
[21:24] <xxValiumxx> hence the question.
[21:25] <[Saint]> Surely that's your doing?
[21:25] <xxValiumxx> nope
[21:25] <[Saint]> What image is his?
[21:25] <[Saint]> *this
[21:25] <xxValiumxx> raspbian
[21:25] <xxValiumxx> with noobs
[21:25] <xxValiumxx> or the other way around I suppose
[21:25] <giddles> welcome to my world :D
[21:25] <Bilby> whaaaa
[21:25] <Bilby> somefin's wrong, sparky
[21:26] <giddles> horrible rookie things ;)
[21:26] <SpeakerToMeat> 256 is adequate for blueray it seems
[21:26] <Bilby> SpeakerToMeat oyes? Are you trying that right now? O_O
[21:26] <[Saint]> That doesn't sound right at all. But perhaps its using dynamic allocation.
[21:26] <[Saint]> It could be indeed. I haven't used raspbian in years.
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[21:27] <Bilby> I thought dynamic wasn't enabled by default. hrmm
[21:27] <xxValiumxx> thats the thing, it's not doing the dynamic allocation, and I'm not sure how to configure it as such
[21:27] <[Saint]> Well, so did I, but a 256 split is insane.
[21:27] <[Saint]> Perhaps its also a NOOBSism?
[21:28] <[Saint]> I did use raspbian, at a time, but never NOOBS.
[21:28] <xxValiumxx> ah, dynamic isnt officially supported
[21:29] <Bilby> [Saint] i don't think so, I have a noobs card and it should be a stock raspbian install
[21:29] <SpeakerToMeat> does NOOBS have a different meaning here?
[21:29] <Bilby> new out of box system
[21:30] <[Saint]> A terrible acronym if you ask me.
[21:30] <[Saint]> I always despised it.
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[21:30] <Bilby> confusing at the least
[21:30] <SpeakerToMeat> yeah I was feeling offended already
[21:30] <Bilby> and obvious backronym is obvious
[21:30] <[Saint]> And potentially degrading.
[21:30] <Bilby> http://www.raspberrypi.org/introducing-noobs/
[21:31] <Bilby> it -is- a neat idea for, well, noobs, but srsly
[21:31] <[Saint]> Should a user feel bad for using it? I could see that happening. maybe I think too much into it.
[21:31] <Bilby> lil bit
[21:31] <[Saint]> But, I despise the name, indeed.
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[21:31] <Bilby> i think most people are either going to be oblivious or are going to laugh
[21:31] <Bilby> and it's now the first two hits on google for "noobs". urban dictionary being the third XD
[21:34] <xxValiumxx> yeah, I'm not to thrilled with the name, but the product itself works well.
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[21:36] <xxValiumxx> [Saint] I just got the dynamic split set up, now to see if it actually works :P
[21:36] <[Saint]> If you're not actually planning on switching between OSes, regularly, on a single sdcard, there's really no reason to use NOOBS IMHO
[21:36] <xxValiumxx> it was recommended
[21:37] <xxValiumxx> only reason why I used it
[21:37] <[Saint]> Yeah, I kinda dislike that too.
[21:37] <xxValiumxx> and I knew it would have lots of seeders
[21:37] <[Saint]> If a user can't handle dd, they're gonna have a bad time with it anyway probably.
[21:37] <xxValiumxx> I'm no stranger to linux or electronics, so I'm doing pretty well so far.
[21:38] <[Saint]> I can see why it exists, but not why its pushed so heavily.
[21:38] <xxValiumxx> NOOBS is for noobs, thats pretty plain
[21:38] <[Saint]> If imagine an sdcard presents an insurmountable barrier to he user, then using the system isn't gonna be fun at all.
[21:38] <[Saint]> And rather a huge shock.
[21:38] <xxValiumxx> what I want to know is how much of a performance hit I'm seeing because of the whole filesystem in a file thing.
[21:39] <[Saint]> *imaging
[21:39] <[Saint]> xxValiumxx: it certainly won't help, but the overhead should not be too vast.
[21:40] <[Saint]> Likely measurable, but probably not perceptible.
[21:40] <SpeakerToMeat> Well ... there's this. http://blog.pi3g.com/2013/01/raspberry-pi-can-play-bluray-discs/ see point 6 in how-to
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[21:40] <[Saint]> The major bottleneck is all IO being carried on a single USB bus.
[21:41] <xxValiumxx> okay, the one thing I do like about noobs is being able to tweak the config.txt and cmdline.txt without having to pop the sdcard into something else
[21:41] <[Saint]> And that random IO on sdcards often sucks.
[21:41] <[Saint]> xxValiumxx: you can do that from a live system with any install method or OS.
[21:42] <[Saint]> 'nano /boot/config.txt'
[21:42] <[Saint]> Or any other graphical editor.
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[21:42] <xxValiumxx> true. I switch between HDMI and composite frequently though.
[21:43] <giddles> what happens when the space is full of the disk ;)
[21:43] <giddles> the pi freezes?
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[21:44] <[Saint]> Potentially.
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[21:44] <giddles> thanx for hint ;)
[21:44] <[Saint]> That's another bit of a pet peeve of mine.
[21:44] <giddles> so i musnt figure it out ^^
[21:44] <[Saint]> A single giant partition.
[21:44] <[Saint]> (Other than boot)
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[21:45] <SpeakerToMeat> Like any linux system, you should always reserve some %10 or so of / for root
[21:45] <[Saint]> I'd really like to see default installs with separate boot, root and home at least.
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[21:45] <SpeakerToMeat> is the sd on the rpi on the same bus as the usb?
[21:45] <[Saint]> But, meh, its good enough for most.
[21:45] <[Saint]> SpeakerToMeat: yep.
[21:45] <[Saint]> As is networking.
[21:46] <[Saint]> Which is why heavy IO can take the network down and vice versa.
[21:46] <[Saint]> It wasn't really built for pushing large volumes of data around quickly.
[21:47] <SpeakerToMeat> hmmmmm
[21:48] <Anigdtef> Can I play youtube on the pi?
[21:48] <[Saint]> Indirectly.
[21:48] <Anigdtef> How?
[21:48] <[Saint]> youtube-dl piped to omxplayer
[21:48] <Anigdtef> When I access youtube website, it does not play
[21:48] <[Saint]> Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
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[21:50] <SpeakerToMeat> Yeah don't try to get flash onto the pi
[21:51] <SpeakerToMeat> In fact don't try to get flash into any arm basec sbc
[21:51] <SpeakerToMeat> not unless you have lots of dough it's maybe probable adobe would humor you
[21:51] <[Saint]> Its possible, but, ...the results are terrible.
[21:51] <Bilby> haha
[21:51] <Bilby> youtube-dl to omxplayer is actually really smart, i wouldn't have thought of that
[21:51] <Bilby> wonder if anyone's looked at integrating that into XBMC
[21:52] <SpeakerToMeat> Bilby: Use the pipe luke
[21:52] <[Saint]> I believe they have.
[21:52] <[Saint]> Also, *Kodi
[21:52] <[Saint]> (ick)
[21:52] <SpeakerToMeat> Yeah there's a kodi plugin for youtube
[21:52] <SpeakerToMeat> But I think that one uses the mobile/html5 youtube site to get clean h264
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[21:53] <[Saint]> its something like 'youtube-dl -g omxplayer $YTVIDEOIDENT'
[21:53] <SpeakerToMeat> Sooo.... the vlc in raspbian seems to be hardware accelerated?
[21:53] <[Saint]> ie. the ass end of a YT URL
[21:53] <Bilby> [Saint] i know, i know, but everyone knows it as xbmc :P
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[21:54] <SpeakerToMeat> Bilby: kodi! it's kodi!
[21:54] * SpeakerToMeat weeps
[21:54] <Bilby> no, that's a character from a disney film
[21:54] <SpeakerToMeat> I wonder if they'll rename raspbmc
[21:55] <Bilby> It's kodbmc
[21:55] <Bilby> no It's
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[21:56] <Anigdtef> So, how do I youtube-dl pipe to omxplayer exactly?
[21:56] <Anigdtef> I would appreciate some kind of step by step instructions
[21:57] <[Saint]> I just gave some.
[21:57] <[Saint]> See above.
[21:58] <Bilby> that command is correct, i believe
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[21:59] <SpeakerToMeat> Cool, there's vlc-nox
[21:59] <Anigdtef> what is that youtube-dl command? Do I have to install it first?
[21:59] <Bilby> it's a python program that allows downloading youtube videos
[21:59] <Bilby> you should be able to install it through pip
[22:00] <SpeakerToMeat> I think the package is named youtube-dl
[22:00] <Bilby> http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
[22:00] <[Saint]> What a delightful surprise.
[22:00] <[Saint]> Color me shocked.
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[22:00] <SpeakerToMeat> Yuppers, there's a youtube-dl package in raspbian
[22:00] <Bilby> [Saint] is in a sassy mood today
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[22:01] <SpeakerToMeat> Like Sheldon's kitty
[22:02] <Anigdtef> I see
[22:02] <[Saint]> Heh, yeah, sorry. The NZ sense of humor can be a bit hard to adapt to for some.
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[22:02] <Anigdtef> $YTVIDEOIDENT ?? How do I link a video to that variable?
[22:02] <Bilby> Don't make me unplug your underwater calbe
[22:03] <Bilby> Anigdtef that's the random characters at the end of a URL
[22:03] <[Saint]> I just used a pseudo-variable for the sake of explanation.
[22:03] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint]: Nah I'm liking it.
[22:03] <Bilby> so if you were going to watch Gangnam Style you would put
[22:03] <Bilby> youtube-dl -g omxplayer 9bZkp7q19f0
[22:04] <SpeakerToMeat> Anigdtef: When you see a vidseo url it ends with ?v=XXXXXXXXX the id is that XXXXXXXXXX
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[22:04] <Bilby> I found youtube-dl a while a go and wrote a .net / Winforms wrapper for it to make it not-command-line friendly
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[22:04] <SpeakerToMeat> Bilby: You're evil. And you should be shunned
[22:04] <Bilby> (continuing the example) where the link in a browser is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
[22:04] <[Saint]> I have a script to cut out the ?v= garbage from YT URLs
[22:05] <SpeakerToMeat> Bilby: Anybody who produces MORE winforms content is evil
[22:05] <Bilby> OPPA GANGNAM STYLE
[22:05] <[Saint]> So it plays in their direct player API.
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[22:05] <Anigdtef> AHHHH! Thanks Bilby and SpeakerToMeat
[22:05] <[Saint]> It negates geo-fencing and age restriction sign in.
[22:05] <SpeakerToMeat> I wonder if they use ytvideoid MSB bytes to do storage sharding at youtube
[22:07] <Bilby> SpeakerToMeat lol. I was more just playing with the different options
[22:07] <Bilby> managed to expose a lot of the functionality in a way that was less likely to screw up lol
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[22:08] <Bilby> I have teachers as clients who like to use youtube but are on a slow conneection. i'd rather they use youtube-dl then some skeevy site to save it
[22:08] <SpeakerToMeat> Bilby: Well theyres python for .net, I wonder if you can librarize youtube-dl and shove it into .net, and maybe make a few CDO registered objects and all
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[22:08] <SpeakerToMeat> Skeevy sites are the shit.
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[22:08] <SpeakerToMeat> One of these days I want to run my favoreites playlist thorough youtube-dl but I'm too worried they will ban my account
[22:09] <Bilby> I thought about it, but I'm laaaazy so i just abused command line controls
[22:09] <SpeakerToMeat> But I've already lost some favorites to removals so I'm worried
[22:09] <[Saint]> SpeakerToMeat: I really should knock it off, but its so ingrained into my DNA its incredibly difficult. I find that often when I'm being humorous, in my typical NZ sense of humor style, people misinterpret it as a personal attack, and often when I'm not being humorous, and I *am* actually specifically attacking someone verbally by way of ripping them a new one, they often think I'm being all cute and sarcastic.
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[22:09] <[Saint]> It's a difficult habit to break though.
[22:10] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint]: so, you're like a kiwi, you are all cute, but scream like a little shit and kick anybody who comes close?
[22:10] <SpeakerToMeat> See, that was mean as a joke too, not an attack
[22:10] <[Saint]> Me actually launching a verbal assault (usually against laziness or extreme ignorance) is rare, but it definitely can happen.
[22:10] <didzan> Hello all, I found that I can add the jessie repos to my wheezy... then I can install the last Python version, etc. Any idea??/
[22:11] <[Saint]> But 9 times out of 10 it flies over people's heads as humor.
[22:11] <[Saint]> And my humor gets interpreted as an attack. ;))
[22:12] <SpeakerToMeat> didzan: Yes, you're about to royally screw up your install
[22:12] <[Saint]> Nah.
[22:12] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint]: If he dep pulls in a basic library he will. he needs either to upgrade to jessie or seek backports.
[22:13] <[Saint]> You can fairly safely just do 'sed -i /wheezy/jessie/g /etc/sources.list'
[22:13] <[Saint]> The world won't end.
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[22:15] <didzan> Saint: How long?? It's taking time!
[22:15] <SpeakerToMeat> Yes but then you need to do a distupgrade
[22:15] <[Saint]> Right.
[22:15] <SpeakerToMeat> to upgrade libc, dpkg, bash and other touchy things in the right order
[22:15] <didzan> I'm in that
[22:16] <SpeakerToMeat> didzan: It will take a while. a long while
[22:16] <xxValiumxx> I'm not 100% certain of what I just put in the oven, but I do know it will be delicious later.
[22:16] <SpeakerToMeat> didzan: and the more packages you have the longer it'll take. it also depends on your network speed but you're basically installing a full debian thorough the internet
[22:17] <[Saint]> With what's pretty much the worst.possible scenario for a pi.
[22:17] <[Saint]> Very heavy disk access that isn't necessarily contiguous, and heavy network traffic, simultaneously.
[22:17] <xxValiumxx> and totally one of the methods used by NOOBS....oh that doesnt help the argument.
[22:18] <[Saint]> Haha. :)
[22:18] <didzan> wow, I'm in US...maybe I go to bed..and installation isn't finished hah
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[22:21] <SpeakerToMeat> I wantr to try one of these nifty rpi alternative sbcs someday... specially the pi form factor ones
[22:22] <SpeakerToMeat> One of these http://linuxgizmos.com/ringing-in-2015-with-40-linux-friendly-hacker-sbcs/
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[22:23] <SpeakerToMeat> Specially the A20-OLinuXino-Micro and the Banana pi m2
[22:23] <SpeakerToMeat> Thoguh I'm personally wary of allwinner cpus from my android experience... but maybe with linux....
[22:24] <xxValiumxx> SpeakerToMeat Hey, allwinner CPUS work GREAT.
[22:24] <xxValiumxx> as doorstops
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[22:24] <xxValiumxx> or paper weights
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[22:25] <SpeakerToMeat> Heh
[22:25] <[Saint]> SpeakerToMeat: do yourself a favor and check out the Hardkernel ODROID C1 before they dry up. 1.7GHz quad core, 1GB of RAM, gigabit ethernet, same form factor as the pi, optional eMMC storage, UHS-I sdcard, runs an architecture that isn't abandoned...all for the same approximate price as a raspi model b.
[22:25] <SpeakerToMeat> I preffer Mediatek a little over allwinne
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[22:25] <[Saint]> ~$35
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[22:25] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint]: What about gpu? is it usseable for anything decoding?
[22:25] <[Saint]> I've now got just over two dozen of them.
[22:26] <SpeakerToMeat> Ah so you can gift me some!
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[22:27] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint]: you have them? can you respond a few quick questions?
[22:27] <[Saint]> Hah. They're all in deployment in clients homes, save for 4 that serve as thin clients to VNs on my NAS' RAID array, and my media and streamer box.
[22:27] <[Saint]> Yeah, sure.
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[22:28] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint]: Is there gpu supported video decoding? what codecs and what libraries or player support it? is the ir receiver supported by lirc?
[22:29] <[Saint]> Oh geez. Thats an uncanny set of questions...they're perfectly suited to miss all my use cases entirely.
[22:29] <xxValiumxx> ohhh that dual MALI450
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[22:30] <SpeakerToMeat> heh
[22:30] <[Saint]> I honestly can't answer any of those questions from experience I'm afraid.
[22:30] <[Saint]> My media use cases are all audio based and in software.
[22:30] <[Saint]> And I don't use IR at all.
[22:31] <xxValiumxx> and quake3 is still compiling....
[22:32] <Bilby> [Saint] why do you have so many boards O_o
[22:33] <SpeakerToMeat> xxValiumxx: You're compiling quake in the pi? please tell me you're not compiling quake in the pi
[22:34] <Bilby> he should definitely do that
[22:34] <[Saint]> Bilby: I supply services to the community. Internet, wireless mesh net, NAS, cloud storage, anonymizing APs, tor relays and exit nodes, etc.
[22:34] <xxValiumxx> SpeakerToMeat, no, quake3.
[22:35] <Bilby> neat!
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[22:35] <Bilby> your physical local community or a community online?
[22:35] <[Saint]> $10 a month for all you can eat wireless internet and 20GB of cloud storage, with 128GB of local storage.
[22:36] <Bilby> ah, local
[22:36] <[Saint]> $12 a month to add a 2TB local NAS option
[22:36] <Bilby> interesting. your town not have a decent ISP otherwise?
[22:36] <[Saint]> Not for cheap, fast, unlimited access, not really.
[22:36] <Bilby> and what do you use them for, as mesh nodes in liu of a dedicated router device?
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[22:37] <[Saint]> Basically, yes.
[22:37] <[Saint]> Each one in turn ends up extending my broadcast range.
[22:37] <[Saint]> Which is already quite vast.
[22:37] <Bilby> That's pretty hardcore
[22:38] <[Saint]> Its the result of about 4 years of messing about.
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[22:38] <Bilby> Are the individual houses contributing to bandwidth, each with their own internet connection, or do you have a fibre drop stashed somewhere?
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[22:38] <[Saint]> It started off just supplying WiFi to my direct neighbors in an apartment block.
[22:39] <[Saint]> They're all piggybacking off my connection(s).
[22:39] <[Saint]> Bit their bandwidth requirements are small.
[22:39] <[Saint]> *but
[22:40] <[Saint]> Its mainly for people who want or need internet access, but don't care to do much more than some emails, Facebook, YouTube etc.
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[22:40] <Bilby> that makes sense
[22:40] <[Saint]> And don't want to pay upwards of $80/month for a hilariously basic plan.
[22:41] <Bilby> I've thought about trying to start some sort of community ISP, maybe with wireless connections
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[22:41] <Bilby> but even if I could get the initial investment for the gear and the connection, time warner would immediately send a flood of lawyers and lobbyists after me
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[22:42] <Bilby> well, good on ya for helping your neighbors.
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[22:45] <SpeakerToMeat> [Saint]: you're using point to point 2.4Ghz?
[22:45] <[Saint]> In the end the small amount I receive from them ends up paying for one set of my connections, and enough to keep on top of maintaining and upgrading hardware.
[22:46] <[Saint]> If times are touch, I honestly don't mind if they pay me what the can afford, or not at all (within reason).
[22:46] <[Saint]> But I won't supply the extended services in that instance.
[22:46] <[Saint]> Its not like I'm taking a profit from it.
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[22:52] <[Saint]> There's both 5 and 2.4 GHZ available. Two bloody great big 100W (60x90cm) 30dBi outdoor parabolic directional dishes, and 4 fairly large 80W (150cm) 2.4GHz 15dBi outdoor omni-directional pole antennas. About 520W theoretical max broadcast.
[22:53] <Bilby> wow, nice
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[22:54] * ozzzy used to run 1kW on CB
[22:55] <Bilby> naughty
[22:55] <Bilby> ... i guess depending on where you are, since apparently CB is a thing outside the us
[22:56] <ozzzy> Citizen's Band? It's all over the US
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[23:00] <Bilby> right, but the legal limit is 4w
[23:01] <Bilby> 1kw is pointless except for penis waving, no one is going to be able to talk back and you're going to blow the inputs on anybody nearby
[23:01] <ozzzy> ah yes
[23:01] <ozzzy> I used to talk to people in Asia, Europe
[23:02] <ozzzy> was mostly pointless though... the 75W linear did just as well
[23:03] <Bilby> remember that you only get 3db of gain for every doubling of output... you can usually get that just out of a better antenna :)
[23:03] <Bilby> and you should just get a ham liscence and go back to pushing 1kw on 10m :P
[23:03] <ozzzy> I had a ham license...
[23:03] <ozzzy> but 11m was fun to play with
[23:04] <Bilby> aha. naughty boy.
[23:04] <ozzzy> the 1KW was a Collins S-line that could be retuned to 11m =]
[23:04] <ozzzy> I had a small 75W in the car
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[23:05] <ozzzy> since the advent of the internet I don't do that anymore
[23:05] <Bilby> at least you were more likely to not be completely polluting the airwaves, compared to your avarage DURR HURR HURR redneck CBer
[23:05] <ozzzy> hehe
[23:05] <ozzzy> yeah... they were a hoot
[23:05] <ozzzy> good buddy
[23:05] <ozzzy> LOL
[23:06] <Bilby> Usually if i have a car with gear in it i'll throw in a CB too
[23:06] <giddles> is it possible to run the pinoir cam 24/7?
[23:06] <giddles> or would it get some heating issiues?
[23:06] <Bilby> since most trucks still have them and they can be fun and it's not really more work after other transceivers
[23:06] <ozzzy> I have an old radio shack unit I might chuck in the car again some day
[23:06] <Bilby> giddles i wouldn't imagine there would be heat issues unless you're in a hot environment
[23:07] <giddles> it gets kind of warm
[23:07] <giddles> run now for a few hours
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[23:11] <giddles> hehe better i use my fire alarm thing tonight
[23:11] <Bilby> unless it's hot to the touch, i wouldn't worry
[23:11] <ozzzy> as long as the chip stays in manufacturer's spec I woulnd't worry
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[23:12] <giddles> well kitchen windows ;) warm and soggy
[23:12] <giddles> :D
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[23:19] <[Saint]> giddles: "kind of warm" for a human is equivalent to "I literally could not care less" to consumer electronics.
[23:19] <giddles> i could measure it ;)
[23:19] <[Saint]> It won't even begin to start caring until its too hot for you to touch without actually receiving a pain response from it.
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[23:20] <giddles> hmk.. :)
[23:20] <[Saint]> Like, we're talking in the range of 80~90C
[23:20] <[Saint]> or "oh goddamn that's hot!"
[23:20] <giddles> no it feels handwarm ;)
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[23:20] <[Saint]> Perfectly fine. :)
[23:20] <giddles> but the windows where its pointed is awesome cold
[23:21] <giddles> 2°C outside ;)
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[23:21] <[Saint]> The raspberrypi itself won't even start to bother doing anything about thermal management until it reaches 80C.
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[23:21] <giddles> ah interesting
[23:21] <[Saint]> And even that is a fairly conservative buffer.
[23:22] <[Saint]> SOme of the components on it are rated at 100C+
[23:22] <[Saint]> TL;DR: its fine.
[23:23] <giddles> im carefullyer as in older times.. i build up a small windmill solar power plant ;)
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[23:23] <giddles> i knew whats happen when controller get too warm ./
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[23:26] <freebeer> welcome Izaya :)
[23:28] <Izaya> thanks freebeer :)
[23:28] <Izaya> having some trouble with this guide: https://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-wifi-access-point/install-software
[23:28] <Izaya> at the "Frist Test!" section toward the end.
[23:28] <Izaya> when I run lsusb -t it shows the device usting rt2800usb for driver
[23:29] <Izaya> when I edit /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf I set driver=rt2800usb but when I run the test, it says "invalid/unknown driver 'rt2800usb'
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[23:29] <freebeer> have you tried without that line?
[23:30] <Izaya> I'll comment i tout
[23:30] <Izaya> it*
[23:30] <Izaya> ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: Invalid argument
[23:31] <Izaya> Could not set interface to mode(3)!
[23:31] <Izaya> Could not set interface to master mode!
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[23:32] <freebeer> have you confirmed that usb wifi can connect normally, before you attempt to make it an access point?
[23:32] <Izaya> yep
[23:32] <Izaya> worked well earlier.
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[23:37] <freebeer> i got to dash just now Izaya
[23:37] <freebeer> but this might help http://www.daveconroy.com/turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-hotspot-with-edimax-nano-usb-ew-7811un-rtl8188cus-chipset/
[23:37] <Izaya> thanks
[23:37] <freebeer> good luck
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