#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-01-24

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[0:00] * kiely_elsewhere is now known as kiely
[0:00] <clever> Encapsulation: its on the bottom, near the usb ports, might be numbered differently on your rev
[0:00] <clever> Encapsulation: any odd pair near the bottom of the usb port?
[0:01] <sir_phobos> I don't know because I'm new, but are there cigarette lighter power adapters for rpi?
[0:01] <thor77> did anyone get some ws2812b working with the rpi?
[0:01] <clever> sir_phobos: anything that can charge a cellphone should work
[0:01] <thor77> i have some with ws2811 controller and want to know my chances to get it working
[0:01] <sir_phobos> nice
[0:01] <ali1234> neionz: using a potential divider for regulation like that sounds really bad... remember that your load is part of the circuit
[0:02] <thor77> i will try to wire it like here: https://learn.adafruit.com/neopixels-on-raspberry-pi/wiring
[0:02] <ali1234> neionz: the most efficient way to regulate when you have a large voltage difference is with a switching regulator
[0:02] <thor77> (i tried it without diode or level shifter and it didnt work)
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[0:03] <neionz> ali1234: I know, thanks
[0:03] <neionz> ali1234: but I wonder if what I said is true about upper limits etc
[0:03] <ali1234> maybe, but it's going to be terrible for efficiency
[0:05] <ali1234> so anyway, i actually came here to ask a simple question: i need an OS image that will fit on a 4GB card and let me test all the hardware: camera, usb, wifi, gpio, i2c. don't need any GUI or setup wizard stuff
[0:05] <ali1234> what should i use?
[0:06] <clever> ali1234: i still have a copy of rasbian on a 2gig SD card, it should be capable of all of that
[0:06] <clever> oddly, it works better then the 8gig card
[0:06] <ali1234> so just grab latest raspbian from the official website?
[0:07] <clever> yep
[0:07] <ali1234> cool, will do that, thanks
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[0:29] <niston> small lies, big lies, and specs :>
[0:30] <neionz> https://i.stack.imgur.com/xLtFv.png if I add infinite LEDs as in the picture, I will approach 0 resistance. Will the voltage over all the LEDs (and the resistor) drop for each new LED? (Thus also drop the power per led)? current will increase, but has an upper limit set by R1?
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[0:56] <Encapsulation> clever, I don't know
[0:57] <Encapsulation> I see r36
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[0:58] <Encapsulation> its on top behond the ethernet port
[1:02] <neionz> http://draw.to/DIECXr in the lower circuit, parallel lamps (no matter how many, in theory at least) will all get 5V. If you however add the dotted component in the higher circuit, the 3V will drop to something less. Now why is this discrimination taking place?
[1:02] <Encapsulation> I may have put 5-12v into gpio 24
[1:02] <Encapsulation> if thaty gives a better idea as to what might have burned up
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[1:03] <Encapsulation> 3-5 amps
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[1:06] <Encapsulation> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_analysis
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[1:19] <jorb> any suggestions if i want to hook a pi up to some buttons?
[1:19] <jorb> wired buttons that is
[1:19] <shiftplusone> jorb, how many?
[1:20] <jorb> just like 2
[1:20] <shiftplusone> ah
[1:20] <shiftplusone> https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/robot/buttons_and_switches/
[1:20] <jorb> cool tx
[1:20] <shiftplusone> np
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[1:28] <ali1234> okay... who decided to reverse the polarity on the composite video connector?
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[1:29] <abnormal> some one
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[1:48] <clever> Encapsulation: it may have been renumbered on your revision
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[1:51] <Encapsulation> I have another pi coming either way, I would like to salvage this one if possible if not I'll sell it for parts maybe
[1:51] <Encapsulation> or keep it as a keychain
[1:52] <Encapsulation> I still don't have a solution for driving 4 12v motors from the pi
[1:52] <Encapsulation> those boards I have won't work I guess although it's still not clear to me why
[1:52] <abnormal> you still at that again?
[1:52] <Encapsulation> 5-10 hours a day every day
[1:52] <Encapsulation> working on my project
[1:53] <abnormal> get rid of those boards and get a Uno...
[1:53] <ali1234> like i said, adafruit motor shield can do it
[1:53] <Encapsulation> I'm also fabricating the enclosure and writing the code
[1:53] <abnormal> before you burn up another pi
[1:53] <Encapsulation> I need internet connectivity I want it to still run linux
[1:53] <Encapsulation> it's nice to have everything tied together so simply
[1:53] <Encapsulation> I can run different c programs I write in different screens
[1:54] <Encapsulation> and manage functions of my device
[1:54] <Encapsulation> the next step is a web interface
[1:54] <Encapsulation> and driving these motors
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[1:54] <Encapsulation> I can do it with my relayboard I have from ebay but those wouldnt work for pwm which I'd like the option of for soft starting the motors
[1:55] <Encapsulation> i2c isn't ideal I'm already using it for reading data
[1:55] <Encapsulation> it would be easier to just use something where I can switch gpio pins
[1:55] <Encapsulation> preferable, even
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[3:04] <[Saint]> Gah!
[3:05] <[Saint]> God I hate this *.pacnew garbage
[3:05] <[Saint]> Actually, the thing I *really* hate is that by default, unless you crank up the verbosity, pacman won't even tell you about it.
[3:06] <[Saint]> And even when it does tell you about it, it blows straight past it and doesn't force the user to acknowledge it.
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[3:16] <ali1234> why does the camera module need 128MB GPU_MEM?
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[3:21] <shiftplusone> because things that do thing usually require resources to do them
[3:21] <shiftplusone> *things
[3:21] <ozzzy> shiftplusone, what????
[3:21] <shiftplusone> crazy, I know.
[3:21] * ozzzy throws his hands up and quits
[3:22] <ali1234> so why does it need 128MB for a 40MB framebuffer?
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[3:23] <shiftplusone> Not sure where the 40MB number came from, and I don't remember the resolution we get out of the camera, but you need to keep in mind that double and in some cases triple buffering is a thing.
[3:23] <ali1234> it's a 5 megapixel camera
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[3:24] <ali1234> assuming the CCD is 64 bits per pixel (highly unlikely), that's 40MB
[3:24] <shiftplusone> and of course it's not all of the camera, the firmware itself needs memory.
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[3:25] <shiftplusone> also, I believe using start_x has a bunch of extra stuff related to different encoding/decoding formats built in and may require more memory for those features to be enabled.
[3:27] <shiftplusone> there's start_cd (cutdown, used for NOOBS), start (normal firmware) and start_x (which has the extra media stuff built in). Sorry that I don't know the specifics of what the differences between those actually are, but for whatever reason, the camera needs start_x.
[3:27] <ali1234> the firmware boots just fine with GPU_MEM set to 8MB - other than the camera not working of course
[3:28] <ali1234> so from this i assume that the camera needs at least 120MB
[3:28] <shiftplusone> sure... it will probably boot fine with GPU_MEM set to -512MB and get you an extra half gig for free, but in reality, the minimum amount that the firmware currently accepts is 16MB.
[3:28] <shiftplusone> if you check how much memory is used by the GPU, it won't be 8MB.
[3:29] <ali1234> how do you check that?
[3:29] <shiftplusone> Plus it may work fine until you fire up omxplayer or do anything that requires any sort of buffering.
[3:29] <shiftplusone> so maybe if you add up all the buffers for the displays, encoders, decoders, camera it works out that you need about 128MB for things not to crash when you're doing multiple things at once.
[3:30] <shiftplusone> just use 'free', but I think there's a vcgencmd to check
[3:30] <ali1234> i'm not doing multiple things a once... i'm attempting to use the camera from the console
[3:30] <shiftplusone> something like vcgencmd get_mem gpu
[3:30] <shiftplusone> using it how?
[3:31] <shiftplusone> if you use raspistill, you're using 3 blocks already (camera, preview, encoder)
[3:31] <ali1234> raspistill -o cam.jpg
[3:31] <shiftplusone> there ya go
[3:31] <ali1234> so if i capture the raw yuv and encode it system side, it will use less ram?
[3:32] <shiftplusone> hmm
[3:33] <shiftplusone> if I recall correctly, raspistillyuv doesn't use an encoder block, but the encoding happens 'for free' anyway.
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[3:33] <shiftplusone> In mmal, you can specify the buffer format, which you can set to YUV and then just save the buffer to a file.
[3:34] <shiftplusone> but I don't know if it will save you any memory.
[3:34] <ali1234> it seems rather excessive for a camera to use this much ram
[3:34] <ali1234> do USB webcames have 128MB in them?
[3:34] <ali1234> i suppose they might these days
[3:34] <shiftplusone> Out of curiosity... why does it matter? What are you doing linux-side that requires the extra RAM?
[3:35] <ali1234> nothing
[3:35] <ali1234> i just wondered why it uses so much
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[3:35] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[3:36] <ali1234> turns out if you ask for 8M GPU it gives you 128M instead
[3:36] <shiftplusone> I guess it ignores is as an invalid value and uses the default or start_x assumed a minimum of 128.
[3:36] <shiftplusone> *assumes
[3:37] <ali1234> and also it turns out the camera works with 64M
[3:37] <shiftplusone> ah, so you can use start_x=1 and gpu_mem 64? that's good to know.
[3:38] <ali1234> you can put any valid value for gpu_mem
[3:38] <ali1234> if it's too low you get an ENOSPC error
[3:38] <ali1234> 32M is too low if you boot to console apparently
[3:38] <shiftplusone> of course... the question was whether start_x cares about what you put there or if it forces another value.
[3:38] <ali1234> but that's not too bad
[3:39] <ali1234> wait a minute
[3:39] <ali1234> i didn't know raspistill was actually putting up a preview window when you capture
[3:40] <ali1234> that seems like an odd default
[3:40] <ali1234> -o should imply -n
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[3:43] <shiftplusone> I'm probably a bit too close to the code to be able to judge what a sane default would be. Seems to make sense to have a preview of what you're capturing.
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[3:43] <ali1234> i didn't expect it to work like that
[3:43] <ali1234> consider if someone makes a IP camera or something
[3:44] <ali1234> they won't even have a monitor attached
[3:44] <ali1234> course they probably won't use raspistill either
[3:44] <shiftplusone> that's.... what 1% of pi camera users?
[3:44] <ali1234> what's the common use case then?
[3:45] <shiftplusone> I think it's a toy to most people.
[3:45] <shiftplusone> but no idea really
[3:48] <ali1234> anyway, just saying what i see :)
[3:48] <ali1234> i only got this stuff today, never used raspberry pi before
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[3:49] <shiftplusone> cool... what are the plans for it? (It's not an IP camera, is it? >.>)
[3:49] <ali1234> a rover
[3:49] <ali1234> with streaming video and controls
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[3:50] <ali1234> as such my main concern is power usage
[3:50] <shiftplusone> ah, cool.
[3:51] <ali1234> i'm using the A+ too
[3:54] <shiftplusone> what are you using to talk to the motors? some h-bridge chip, stepper driver or a whole shield thing like gertbot?
[3:54] <ali1234> i'm using the adafruit motor shield v2
[3:54] <ali1234> it has 4 h-bridges and generates the PWM itself. whole thing is controlled only by i2c
[3:55] <shiftplusone> ah cool... fairly similar to gertbot.
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[3:58] <ali1234> i tested my motors earlier and they use 100mA stalled when PWM'd at a reasonable speed
[3:58] <ali1234> going for 4WD so hopefully i can keep the whole thing under 1A and get a good couple of hours from a battery pack
[3:58] <shiftplusone> if size and weight is not an issue, a small lead acid battery can be much more cost effective than lipo
[3:59] <ali1234> weight might be an issue with these motors, they are tiny
[3:59] <shiftplusone> hm
[3:59] <ali1234> dunno... will have to build a test chassis
[4:00] <shiftplusone> My end goal is to make a quadcopter one of these days. Got me a 3d printer... now need to learn all the things >.>
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[4:00] <ali1234> i picked up one of those nanocopters, they are fun but hard to fly
[4:01] <ali1234> cost about the same as a raspi camera module
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[4:01] <ali1234> actually i was thinking of putting a landing pad for it on my rover :)
[4:02] <shiftplusone> we've got a pretty cool one in the office. I haven't touched it yet, but it does seem to take people about 10 minutes to get to a state where they don't crash it within 5 seconds
[4:02] <ali1234> the trick is you HAVE to trim the controller and gyro so it flies level
[4:02] <ali1234> otherwise you are constantly fighting it
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[4:03] <shiftplusone> yup, it took folks a while to figure out how to do that
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[4:04] <ali1234> also don't try to hover low because ground effects :)
[4:04] <shiftplusone> hmm, intuitively you'd think that they'd fly better loww.
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[4:06] <shiftplusone> Seems like that would be a sane default. Need to file a bug report on physics. >.>
[4:06] <ali1234> you get more lift, but also more turbulence
[4:06] <shiftplusone> ah
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[5:19] <funkster> so i have a pi controlling leds, i also have a hosted webserver. whats the best way to control the raspberry pi via mobile phone -> hosted server -> rpi - as of now i have a script running in a loop to check what it needs to do. is there any other "real time" methods i can use?
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[5:21] <[Saint]> port forward a specific port from the host's public IP?
[5:21] <[Saint]> so whenever you're talking to $user@hostname:xxxx everything gets passed to the pi?
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[5:24] <seitensei> funkster: web api?
[5:24] <seitensei> Write a web api (or steal one) for your Pi that access the hardware functionality that you need
[5:24] <seitensei> and write a web app on your hosted server that consumes that api
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[5:25] <funkster> seitensei: im going from mobile phone -> central server -> home router -> rpi - i can't open ports or anything, as this will be a mobile solution.
[5:26] <seitensei> You can't exactly escape the loop that has the Pi checking the server then
[5:26] <clever> funkster: how exactly is the home router mobile?
[5:27] <Ben64> use ssh?
[5:27] <seitensei> Ben64: He can't open any ports on his firewall, it looks like
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[5:27] <Ben64> sounds unlikely, but assuming it is true, theres a server to ssh tunnel through
[5:27] <funkster> my router isn't mobile. my rpi/led solution is mobile.
[5:28] <clever> funkster: then setup the rpi to automaticaly ssh into the central server
[5:28] <clever> and use -R to forward the ports backwards
[5:28] <clever> thru ssh, not normal router forwarding
[5:29] <funkster> clever: yah that could work.
[5:29] <seitensei> I actually like using ngrok when I'm behind a router that I'm not sysadmin
[5:30] <funkster> im trying to figure out a way i can go from mobile app -> wifi -> rpi , but have it find the rpi cause IPs will change as it goes from location to location.
[5:30] <seitensei> but it basically does the same thing
[5:30] <sir_phobos> reading about rpi b+ I don't see what version the usb ports are. are they all 2.0?
[5:30] <seitensei> sir_phobos: yep
[5:30] <funkster> maybe build in a nmap type solution
[5:31] <sir_phobos> I wonder if writing 24 bit 192 kHz audio to a usb drive would be an issue
[5:31] <[Saint]> sir_phobos: with a more than slight catch, yes, they're all 2.0 "port", not ports.
[5:31] <[Saint]> It all shares a single USB2 bus.
[5:31] <sir_phobos> ah
[5:31] <[Saint]> Coupled with networking and sd using this too, it is...less than performant.
[5:31] <clever> funkster: instead of trying to find the pi to connect to it, just have the pi connect to a central point thats fixed
[5:32] <clever> use a connection thats bidirectional and remains open
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[5:32] <funkster> clever: then i'd have a delay in response of controlling leds.
[5:32] <seitensei> funkster: do you need to access the pi remotely?
[5:32] <clever> once its connected, you can send commands to the pi at any time, zero delay
[5:32] <[Saint]> port forwarding from the host server to the pi, or, ssh forwarding, etc.
[5:33] <clever> funkster: nope, thats why i said to use a bidirectional connection you leave open
[5:33] <funkster> what am i going to use that bidirectional and stays open, ssh?
[5:33] <clever> funkster: so you can instantly sends things back the other way
[5:33] <sir_phobos> the ethernet and sd card are on the usb hub?
[5:33] <[Saint]> sir_phobos: yep
[5:33] <clever> funkster: ssh with -R, it can forward ports and bypass the router entirely
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[5:34] <[Saint]> sir_phobos: when used for its intended purpose, ie. learning and buggering around with, its "good enough".
[5:34] <[Saint]> If you expect either storage or network to be performant, you're gonna have a bad time.
[5:34] <funkster> clever: yah i've used that before. so on the central server i'd ssh to say... port 1000 (the pi) and send commands
[5:34] <clever> funkster: a a simple example, if you run this on the pi, 'ssh centralserver.com -R 80:' and you have no website on centralserver.com
[5:34] <[Saint]> hammering network cripples the disk, and, vice versa.
[5:34] <sir_phobos> well I've seen people using them for recording at 192 kHz so I'm assuming it isn't an issue
[5:34] <clever> funkster: then any attempts to open http://centralserver.com would instead open the server on the pi, if its connected
[5:35] <sir_phobos> and when I do so, I will only have the external hard drive connected (I hope)
[5:35] <clever> even if the pi is behind a firewall
[5:35] <sir_phobos> no network or other devices
[5:35] * [Saint] cringes
[5:35] <funkster> yeah, there is a script for always running reverse ssh
[5:35] <funkster> damn forgot the name.
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[5:35] <[Saint]> 192kHz...."one of 'those guys' huh?" :p
[5:35] <seitensei> lol
[5:35] <sir_phobos> have to use it to record bats
[5:35] <sir_phobos> ultrasonic frequencies
[5:36] <[Saint]> Ahhhhhh, right, an actual use case. Not an audiophile nutbag.
[5:36] <[Saint]> Whew...
[5:36] <funkster> autossh, yeah.
[5:36] <seitensei> raspberrypi audiophile sounds laughable
[5:36] <[Saint]> people do it.
[5:36] <[Saint]> and, yes.
[5:36] <sir_phobos> it looks pretty legit though, I've seen some setups
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[5:37] <[Saint]> The Wolfson Audio Card is actually pretty decent, especially when coupled with a dedicated personal amplifier.
[5:37] <seitensei> ^
[5:37] <seitensei> Was going to mention that
[5:37] <[Saint]> The pi's audio HW itself...yeah, nope.
[5:37] <seitensei> I think they have a new model in the works as a Pi Hat
[5:37] <sir_phobos> yeah, I was looking at the cirrus one since it works with b+
[5:37] <[Saint]> Its "better" on the B+, but still.
[5:37] <seitensei> sir_phobos: Yeah, that's the same as the Wolfson (since Cirrus ate them)
[5:37] <[Saint]> Where "better" only == "less noise"
[5:38] <sir_phobos> wondering if it has the same high frequency roll off curve as the wolfson one
[5:38] <sir_phobos> I bet it does
[5:38] <sir_phobos> which is ok
[5:38] <clever> sir_phobos: i happen to be planning out a 96khz audio system, that has a pi in the mix
[5:39] <[Saint]> Its OK for regular use cases, most people aren't actively trying to record or reproduce ultrasonic frequencies.
[5:39] <clever> oops, meant to say seitensei
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[5:39] <sir_phobos> input or output or both
[5:39] <seitensei> From what I've heard, it's the same exact board, but adapted to conform to the B+
[5:39] <clever> 16 channels each input and output
[5:39] <[Saint]> Hell, for accurate reproduction of most studio media these days, even 15 bits provides some deal of headroom.
[5:39] <[Saint]> Try telling that to the audiophiles, though.
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[5:40] <[Saint]> ...you get screamed at, because they and they alone have golden ears and ABX blind testing isn't a true metric or quantifier of anything, apparently.
[5:40] * [Saint] sighs
[5:40] <seitensei> audiophiles: never good enough™
[5:40] <[Saint]> Pretty much. Its when the actively deny logic that pisses me off.
[5:40] <sir_phobos> unless it's vinyl and tube driven
[5:41] <[Saint]> The amount of audiophiles that won't do a double blind ABX test to backup their golden-ears claim is hilarious.
[5:41] <[Saint]> They'll post results of their own heavily biased tests all the time.
[5:41] <seitensei> my metric is, 1) can i hear it, and 2) can i make out the difference between sounds? if so, good enough
[5:42] <[Saint]> They'll rarely, if ever, do actual double blind ABX testing, though.
[5:42] <seitensei> if something with multiple tones comes out as a single tone, clearly something is wrong
[5:42] <sir_phobos> I do know that satellite radio sounds like crap to me. at least in the vehicles I have heard it in (not sure if different vehicles have different bit rate capabilities)
[5:42] <[Saint]> And if they do, and predictably fail, they blame the setup.
[5:43] <[Saint]> With modern LAME, I can't even ABX mp3 @ 256 vs 320 anymore.
[5:43] <seitensei> sir_phobos: to be fair, a lot of vehicle sound systems are on the cheap end
[5:43] <sir_phobos> well I compared a cd I burned vs the song I just heard on the radio
[5:43] <sir_phobos> sirius xm or whatever it is
[5:43] <[Saint]> I used to be able to reliably pick out all the mp3 static encoding bitrates about a decade ago.
[5:43] <sir_phobos> definite difference in the higher frequencies, cymbals sound bad etc.
[5:43] <[Saint]> Not now though.
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[5:44] <[Saint]> I can definitely pick out mp3 vs. lossless, though.
[5:44] <[Saint]> though with /some/ tracks its very difficult.
[5:44] <seitensei> sir_phobos: well, it's satellite transmission (just like radio), you're going to have signal loss
[5:44] <seitensei> and compression
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[5:44] <seitensei> satellite internet is actually pretty meh
[5:45] <sir_phobos> I imagine it's 128 kbps max
[5:45] <sir_phobos> not sure though
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[5:48] <sir_phobos> [Saint] you are affiliated with rockbox? isn't that an ipod linux os?
[5:48] <[Saint]> I am, and, it is not.
[5:48] <sir_phobos> heh
[5:48] <shiftplusone> sir_phobos, I think you're thinking of iPodLinux.
[5:49] <sir_phobos> http://www.rockbox.org/
[5:49] <[Saint]> The kernel started out life as a uClinux fork, but it has diverged a lot since.
[5:49] <shiftplusone> rockbox is not linux based though or exclusive to ipods
[5:49] <shiftplusone> oh really?
[5:49] <[Saint]> yeah.
[5:49] <shiftplusone> I thought it has no relation to linux at all
[5:50] <sir_phobos> I thought it did but it's been a long time
[5:50] <sir_phobos> couldn't remember
[5:50] <[Saint]> On the flip side, uClinux took a whole mess of code back from Rockbox. It all balances out. :)
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[5:52] <[Saint]> Though, I guess even saying its forked from uclinux is a massive stretch.
[5:53] <[Saint]> "did, but may or may not anymore, contain some elements thereof" is my understanding.
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[5:56] <shiftplusone> Hmm... I put together a 3d printer using the tools provided, which includes a spanner.... I need to adjust the base so that the nozzle is always over the platform, but the nut that holds the base in place is not the same size as the spanner. So how the hell did I tighten it. =S
[5:56] <shiftplusone> mystery
[5:57] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: print a new spanner
[5:57] <[Saint]> ...duh
[5:57] <shiftplusone> print before calibrating it? madness
[5:58] <[Saint]> Sparta?
[5:58] <[Saint]> <kicks nut into hole>
[5:58] <shiftplusone> (and I suspect a PLA spanner will be good for half a turn)
[5:58] <[Saint]> If NASA can do it...
[5:59] <shiftplusone> aye, that NASA ratchet seems to work pretty well when printed in ABS even using hobbyist printers.
[6:00] <[Saint]> were it not fully enclosing the nut, I suspect it would just slip off and shred itself after maybe one turn, if you're very lucky, indeed.
[6:01] <shiftplusone> probably
[6:04] <shiftplusone> Might be a good idea to do that sleep thing. 'night
[6:04] <[Saint]> o/
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[9:54] <yepla> hi
[9:54] <yepla> i don t knwo what is the pb but i cannot login by ssh but i can scp some file
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[9:58] <yepla> yesterday it was working but not anymore only scip file work when i try to log in by ssh using same password i cannot
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[10:04] <clever> yepla: what error does ssh give?
[10:05] <yepla> Permission denied (publickey,password). after 3 times
[10:05] <clever> and what username does ssh say its using?
[10:05] <yepla> don t know but i use pi
[10:05] <yepla> user
[10:05] <clever> and how are you running ssh?
[10:06] <clever> paste the whole line where you ran it
[10:06] <yepla> default sshd
[10:06] <yepla> i have not touch ssh
[10:06] <clever> the client, not server
[10:06] <yepla> ssh pi@ip
[10:06] <clever> hmmm, strange
[10:06] <yepla> but scp work
[10:07] <clever> give an example command froms cp
[10:07] <yepla> and yesterday it was working but not anymore
[10:07] <clever> scp*
[10:07] <yepla> scp file pi@ip:/home/pi
[10:07] <clever> that is odd, and your sure your doing it exactly as you have shown?
[10:07] <yepla> i have still one console on the raspberry pi
[10:08] <yepla> open
[10:08] <yepla> yes i type the password but it s not work
[10:08] <yepla> for ssh login
[10:08] <clever> check tail /var/log/messages
[10:08] <yepla> but for scp it s work
[10:08] <clever> and see if it shows any errors
[10:09] <yepla> no login error in /var/log/messages
[10:10] <clever> is there an auth or auth.log?
[10:10] <clever> on the pi
[10:11] <yepla> yep
[10:11] <clever> and what does tail show in that?
[10:12] <yepla> hmmm strange
[10:12] <yepla> Jan 24 10:11:20 raspberrypi sshd[32035]: Invalid user p\303\256 from
[10:12] <yepla> pi is p\303\256
[10:12] <clever> bingo, you didnt type pi in english
[10:12] <clever> you used the i from another language
[10:12] <yepla> ?
[10:12] <yepla> from french yes
[10:12] <clever> it must be the english i, not the french i
[10:13] <yepla> ? but yesterday it was working
[10:13] <yepla> i have change nothing
[10:13] <clever> just flip the keyboard mode to english and re-type pi@ip
[10:13] <yepla> hmm
[10:13] <yepla> but it s not easy to type the paolossword after
[10:14] <clever> once pi@ is typed in, you can go back to french
[10:14] <ShorTie> 'ssh ip' work ??
[10:15] <clever> ShorTie: that would default to whatever user he is using on the other machine
[10:15] <clever> enless he sets up the ssh client config to remember things
[10:15] <clever> and even then, dynamic ip breaks that
[10:15] <yepla> pfffff
[10:15] <ShorTie> wouldn't bring up a login prompt ??
[10:15] <yepla> i dont know where is @
[10:15] <clever> yepla: shift+2
[10:15] <yepla> serriously i have never had this pb before
[10:16] <clever> but french doesnt have a different @, so it should work both ways
[10:16] <yepla> now it s work
[10:17] <yepla> but why yesterday it was working
[10:17] <yepla> and not now
[10:17] <yepla> yesterday i have type it in french
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[10:17] <clever> your probly changing between english and french several times an hour
[10:17] <clever> and its just luck which mode your in when you typed pi
[10:17] <yepla> mode ?
[10:18] <clever> which mode the keyboard is set for
[10:18] <yepla> dont know
[10:18] <clever> that was a statement, not a question
[10:19] <yepla> ?
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[11:22] <GapSpark> Shalom
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[11:25] <neionz> I've noticed something. If you put more load on a 9V battery in series, the 9V are proportionally (to the loads resistance) spread over all the components, almost no matter how many loads you put up. If you however do the same over a loaded component (you put something over it as if it was a battery), it just drops in voltage (while a battery doesn't).
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[11:26] <neionz> GapSpark: salam aleikom
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[11:31] <ShorTie> not exactly sure what your trying to get at, but it sounds like basic series/parallel circuits
[11:32] <clever> youve discovered ohms law!
[11:33] <[Saint]> take your pick of either:
[11:34] <ShorTie> or combination there of
[11:34] <[Saint]> V = IR, I = V/R, or R= V/I
[11:35] <[Saint]> nah - this is straight up Ohms law.
[11:35] <clever> I = P / V
[11:35] <clever> V = P / I
[11:35] <clever> P = VI
[11:35] <[Saint]> I = P(eed)/Myself
[11:35] <clever> irc needs superscript for squared, lol
[11:36] <[Saint]> ²
[11:36] <[Saint]> woo!
[11:36] <[Saint]> it took me far too long to remember the compose sequence for that.
[11:36] <clever> heh, forgot about unicode
[11:36] <ShorTie> i got a variable pstrong, with 'Jan 8, 2015 We recommend load control this morning from 0600 to 0800 hours for SIS,SCP,MCS,MCP and PCP rates.' in it, trying to get the time after from into another variable
[11:36] <clever> R = P/I²
[11:37] <clever> R = V²/P
[11:37] <ShorTie> any good ideas ??
[11:37] <clever> ShorTie: /(\d\d\d\d) to (\d\d\d\d)/ maybe?
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[11:39] <ShorTie> sorry, have no idea what that is or means
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[11:39] <clever> its a piece of regex code that will do exactly what you want
[11:40] <neionz> ShorTie: jkli: if I put things in parallel over a 9V battery, all those circuit will get 9V. If I do the same over a 'voltage drop', that voltage drop will drop less as I add components to it
[11:40] <[Saint]> (\/) (\/)
[11:40] <[Saint]> \_Ö_/
[11:40] <[Saint]> Lobsters!
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[11:41] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/szhJzX0UgDM
[11:42] <ShorTie> ok, any further explaination of how to use it maybe ??
[11:42] <clever> ShorTie: which language are you using?
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[11:43] <ShorTie> bash script
[11:43] <clever> ah, i dont think bash can do regex on its own
[11:43] <clever> you would need awk or similar
[11:43] <clever> i dont know awk that well
[11:44] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[11:44] <ShorTie> Thankz .. :)~
[11:44] <ShorTie> off to google again, lol.
[11:45] <clever> should be able to find an awk regex example easily
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[11:46] <xxValiumxx> Is there anyone in here that speaks german?
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[12:18] <niston> ehy
[12:18] <niston> why?
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[13:02] <thor77> xxValiumxx: i speak german
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[13:21] <neionz> You can have infinitely large negative charge in a copper current, but the positive one is limited (since an atom only have so many protons)?
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[13:21] <Bilby> dagonnit
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> neionz: that doesn't mean anything
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> and is wrong in a number of aspects
[13:22] <ShorTie> electricity is the movement of electrons
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[13:23] <neionz> voltage*
[13:26] <ShorTie> the boombardment of a piece of copper wire with free electrons at 1 end, will force the electrons thru the piece of wire and out the other end
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[13:30] <ShorTie> the positive atoms, center of the molecule never move, it is only the electrons orbiting the nucleous that move
[13:30] <ShorTie> how freely those electrons can move is a big factor
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[14:02] <yohnnyjoe> morning all
[14:03] <yohnnyjoe> at least morning in EST
[14:03] <Bilby> 0803 here
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[14:27] <yajnab> Hi
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[14:28] <yajnab> guys whats going on in https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux in the branch rpi-3.18.y
[14:28] <yajnab> continuous force pushes
[14:28] <yajnab> here I cant keep a track on the changes
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[14:39] <yajnab> anyone here
[14:39] <yajnab> ?
[14:39] <ShorTie> 3.18 isn't behaving nicely, there is a note in the topic you might want to read
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[14:40] <yajnab> Can u link me please
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[14:40] <yajnab> as a kernel developer all I wanna say is using a test branch and use git reverts over there
[14:41] <yajnab> and after final merge the changes in the fresh branch
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[14:46] <Bilby> haha sorry yajnab I am so far from being a kernel dev it's not funny. I'll just be over here with my soldering pencil and my burnt fingertips...
[14:46] <yajnab> Haha! I am also an electronic fan
[14:47] <yajnab> but just learning
[14:47] <yajnab> This github managing comittee of RPI has kept me angry
[14:47] <yajnab> just a week holiday they messed up everything
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[14:47] <yajnab> Bilby what u do
[14:47] <yajnab> ?
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[14:52] <Bilby> yajnab I'm just a General Purpose Nerd. I do a little of everything
[14:52] <yajnab> No Rpi projects i mean
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[14:54] <Bilby> I've played around with a few things... rolled out a digital billboard system at one office building - 14 rpi and monitors, wall mounted.
[14:55] <Bilby> Built a system that let me unlock and lock my car from my phone... also setup a wolfson audio board with volumio for music playback.
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[14:57] <yajnab> GREAT
[14:57] <Bilby> I have a bunch of SD cards, I just swap them out as I am playing with stuff. One is a Raspibian LAMP server, one has Volumio, one has some GPIO stuff on it...
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[14:58] <Bilby> I set up a google print server on it, but ended up building one out of an x86 box because there wasn't an arm-compiled driver for the printer i was trying to talk to
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[15:17] <yajnab> I am thinking to set up an Gerrit Review system in it tonight
[15:17] <yajnab> lets see
[15:17] <yajnab> if I succeed
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[15:19] <yajnab> is it Ok to keep my RPi turned On 24x7?
[15:19] <ozzzy> why not
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[15:31] <chris_99> i do
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[15:37] <Bilby> yajnab so long as it's not in an area where it will get extremely hot or cold, sure
[15:37] <yajnab> I stay at Kolkata
[15:37] <yajnab> Kolkata, West Bengal, India
[15:38] <ozzzy> so don't leave it in the sun
[15:38] <yajnab> Temperatures goes High as 40C
[15:38] <yajnab> OFC it will be in my Room
[15:38] <yajnab> but I am poor to install an AC system
[15:38] <yajnab> I mean air cooler
[15:38] <Bilby> It sould still be fine :)
[15:38] <ozzzy> it'll be fine
[15:39] <yajnab> Otherwise I will try to find a small heat sink
[15:39] <yajnab> and set up a FAN
[15:39] <SirLagz> Raspberry Pis are fine with just passive heating as long as the sun doesn't shine onto it directly
[15:39] <SirLagz> without heatsinks
[15:40] <Bilby> I ran mine for a few weeks sitting with a towel on it to block the LEDs, in a heated room. No problems
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[15:42] <ozzzy> those little heat sinks are a joke
[15:42] <Bilby> yep. ARM CPU = hella efficient
[15:42] <ozzzy> my pi runs at 73C all the time
[15:43] <jalcine> 73C is really hot, no?
[15:43] <Bilby> think about it, what kind of processing and display power it has for all that it draws less than an amp of power. There's no current left to waste as heat :P
[15:43] <ozzzy> nope
[15:43] <ozzzy> I have an atom sbc that cooks along at 80
[15:44] <yajnab> I will just put it on to host my website
[15:45] <yajnab> no display nothing
[15:45] <yajnab> too poor to hire webspace
[15:45] <yajnab> already paying 15$/month for Internet connection
[15:46] <Bilby> bummer man :(
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[16:15] <Bilby> welp, i guess I might as well set up these laptops
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[16:21] <niston> hmm
[16:22] <niston> my girlfriend is like an italian sports car
[16:22] <ozzzy> pointy, expensive and can't pull anything?
[16:22] <niston> unreliable, nasty, impossible to handle and each time you walk by, you gotta drop a 100$ bill in
[16:22] <niston> but yeah. nice look.
[16:23] <ozzzy> sounds like it's new girlfriend time
[16:23] <ozzzy> you want the superduty not the ferrari
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[16:28] <niston> I think I'll drop the concept entirely
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[16:42] <[Saint]> niston: one spoiled apple does not taint the orchard my friend.
[16:43] <niston> I'll keep a mistress, perhaps.
[16:43] <[Saint]> That would make you just as bad, if not worse.
[16:43] <[Saint]> Two wrongs...etc.
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[16:46] <niston> perhaps.
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[17:06] <yajnab> My girlfriend is good
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[17:09] * Bilby is a fan of his wife (mostly...)
[17:12] <[Saint]> Obviously morals are subjective, and this discussion is a bit deep for #raspberrypi, but I don't think there's a lot of room for "perhaps" in the given situation.
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[17:12] <[Saint]> If things are as bad as you say, "fixing" the situation be cheating on your partner is pretty low.
[17:12] <niston> oh. nah
[17:12] <niston> I would dump her
[17:12] <niston> not cheat on her
[17:12] <niston> perhaps "mistress" is the wrong word?
[17:13] <niston> for keeping a purely physical relation with someone?
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[17:13] <[Saint]> Aha, well, right - I guess I misparsed that then. A mistress is generally a "bit on the side" (specifically identifying as female), I thought?
[17:13] <Darkwell> Off topic in her may be ?
[17:13] <niston> true
[17:13] <Darkwell> Here even
[17:14] <[Saint]> Darkwell: nah - the widely accepted view here is that anything family-friendly goes as long as it doesn't detract from active support or development
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[17:14] <Darkwell> Ok i see
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[17:14] <[Saint]> There's been some...interesting conversations here. :)
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[17:15] <Bilby> That's a thing.
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[17:15] <[Saint]> <-- I'm a thing.
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[17:18] <Bilby> <-- I'm a thing, two.
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[17:26] <ShorTie> i'm a it .. :(~
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[17:27] <ozzzy> looking at temps... this pi used to idle at ~50 now it idles ~70
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[17:27] <ozzzy> that's interesting
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[17:30] <Darkwell> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-an-always-on-downloading-megalith/
[17:31] <Darkwell> Seems overkill to move everything "system" yo an usb disk ...
[17:32] * Bilby wonders what sub he should submit this image to... http://imgur.com/Xsd9H2T
[17:32] <Bilby> it's a great image, i just don't know what will get me the most useless internet points :P
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[17:34] <ShorTie> the wire maze
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[17:35] <yajnab> guys can anyone try to download this? https://gerrit-releases.storage.googleapis.com/gerrit-2.10.war
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[17:35] <Bilby> tl;dr I put that access point and other kit in the basement of a circa 1900 mansion in 2006. Came back in 2014 and it's still running... i don't think it's been touched since I put it in.
[17:35] <yajnab> is this available or not?
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[17:36] <Bilby> This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
[17:36] <Bilby> <Error>
[17:36] <Bilby> <Code>NoSuchKey</Code>
[17:36] <Bilby> <Message>The specified key does not exist.</Message>
[17:36] <Bilby> </Error>
[17:36] <niston> Bilby: touched and inhabitated by spiders perhaps :P
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[17:36] <Bilby> niston Touched By An Arachnid ?
[17:36] <niston> j00 are making internet spiders!
[17:37] <ShorTie> yajnab, think kernel link http://tiny.cc/th2usx
[17:37] <ShorTie> last part of topic
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[17:42] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, what does that have to do with what yajnab said?
[17:43] <ShorTie> how far back did you read ??
[17:43] * ShorTie not in the mode to get into this with you again
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> not enough, I guess.
[17:44] * shiftplusone reads up
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[17:44] <shiftplusone> ah, I see
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[17:44] * ChanServ sets mode +o shiftplusone
[17:45] * shiftplusone changes topic to 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. Logs @ http://srv.datagutt1.com <> Channel Rules as of 6 May '14: http://tiny.cc/h7za1w <> Getting help on IRC: http://tiny.cc/p9za1w'
[17:45] * ChanServ sets mode -o shiftplusone
[17:45] <Bilby> someone needs to develop AI so we can get an instant tl;dr on upscroll in irc channels.
[17:45] <ShorTie> 'Deleted off-topic posts. Take it elsewhere', just kill it all, lol.
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[17:46] * ShorTie wiull hush on 3.18
[17:48] <shiftplusone> In that thread, people kept going on about whether rpi-update should be included by default. When Phil asked them to focus on the topic, they kept arguing about rpi-update. If people want to find information about DT and 3.18, the last thing they need is an irrelevant discussion drowning out any legitimate questions which may pop up.
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[17:50] <ShorTie> why not just lock it like other mods do to threads, when mod do any of that stuff it kills it all, imho
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[17:50] <shiftplusone> To allow people to discuss the actual topic.
[17:50] * ShorTie not in the mode to get into this with you again
[17:50] <shiftplusone> and yet you are
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[17:53] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: from experience, you can't please 'em all.
[17:53] <SirLagz> hai
[17:53] <shiftplusone> aye =(
[17:54] * ShorTie is now known as all
[17:54] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, 'morning.... or whatever time it is there.
[17:54] <SirLagz> lol...sounds like a fun convo I've stepped into
[17:54] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: very early morning :P
[17:54] <SirLagz> just shy of 1 AM
[17:54] * all is now known as Guest67561
[17:54] <[Saint]> heh, I saw that coming.
[17:54] <shiftplusone> ah
[17:55] <SirLagz> [Saint]: have you just woken up or are you still awake ? lol
[17:55] <[Saint]> ShorTie just found out about the magical world of nick protection.
[17:55] <[Saint]> SirLagz: a bit of both.
[17:55] <SirLagz> [Saint]: a bit of both ? lol
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> just crawled out of bed myself, though it's 5pm here >.>
[17:56] <[Saint]> I've been up most of the night, but I think I managed to catch a couple of quick keyboard naps.
[17:56] <SirLagz> [Saint]: ahh haha
[17:56] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: whereabouts are you now ?
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, UK (Cambridge)
[17:56] <[Saint]> _everywhere_
[17:56] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: ah nice
[17:56] <[Saint]> or that.
[17:56] <shiftplusone> can't wait to get back to Melbourne, to be honest.
[17:57] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: why ?
[17:57] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: and why are you in the UK ?
[17:57] <[Saint]> Hopefully before the last of the good weather craps out.
[17:57] <[Saint]> lest you be stuck in perpetual Winter.
[17:58] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I'll only be in Melbourne for a few days to catch up with family and friends then go off to the Gold Coast so... not much of a concern =P
[17:58] <[Saint]> Awesome.
[17:58] <[Saint]> I need to hop the ditch again. Its been a while.
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, Because Australia>UK in most cases >.>. I'm here for work though.
[17:59] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: ahh. I wish my work paid me to go overseas :(
[17:59] <SirLagz> stupid national company
[17:59] <[Saint]> I was supposed to go there (to Melbourne) for a mates birthday on the 18th of this month, but Ms. [Saint] ended up being away as well, and there's too much $stuff and $things to manage here to delegate it to someone else without worry with neither of us here.
[18:00] <[Saint]> SO I got to stay home, yay. :-/
[18:01] <shiftplusone> agh
[18:01] <[Saint]> I paid approximately seventytwo bajillionteen dollars to get my passport replaced, and a few days later, Ms. [Saint] gets called up for four weeks of (very well paid, the kind you don't refuse) work.
[18:01] <SirLagz> anyone used Anturis before ?
[18:01] <SirLagz> [Saint]: what's Ms. Saint work as ?
[18:02] <[Saint]> Head and/or Sous Chef.
[18:02] <SirLagz> [Saint]: ah nice
[18:02] <SirLagz> [Saint]: bet you have feasts every night then :P
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[18:03] <[Saint]> Heh, I wish. By the time she gets home, the kitchen is the last place she wants to be. :)
[18:03] <SirLagz> haha
[18:03] <SirLagz> I can understand that
[18:03] <[Saint]> But I can't say I haven't picked up a few tricks along the way.
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[18:03] <SirLagz> my head hurts from looking at monitoring toolsets. ugh.
[18:04] <[Saint]> "only" 15 days to go...from 4 and a half weeks.
[18:04] <SirLagz> [Saint]: at least that's past the halfway point
[18:04] <[Saint]> I reverted to bachelor frog mode in record time.
[18:04] <SirLagz> so it'll take you 14 days to clean up ? :P
[18:04] <[Saint]> Hahaha, I guess. :)
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[18:05] <[Saint]> A shave will definitely be in order.
[18:05] <[Saint]> I've grown a rugged manly-man-beard.
[18:05] <SirLagz> If I was in bachelor frog mode, I'd never get any cleaning done
[18:06] <shiftplusone> Hm? Shaving off the beard is never the right answer to anything.
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[18:07] <Bilby> I shaved my face fully for the first time in a long while, back in November. Worst. Decision. Ever.
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[18:07] <shiftplusone> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nQwLlFF1As#t=26
[18:08] <[Saint]> Jeebus.
[18:08] <[Saint]> I thought that was JAck Black for a second.
[18:08] <sharperguy> Does anyone know about RetroPie?
[18:08] <[Saint]> Australian Jack Black, w/ beard.
[18:09] <SirLagz> lol
[18:10] <shiftplusone> sharperguy, what's the issue?
[18:10] <sharperguy> I have it installed on my RPI and I see the list of supported platforms but most of them don't show up in the EmulationStation interface
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[18:12] <shiftplusone> Hm, no idea.
[18:12] <[Saint]> RetroPie is hilariously poorly documented.
[18:13] <[Saint]> And damn near every time someone posts an issue about it, on a forum for instance, if the evry do reply, you get something like "Edit: Fixed!"
[18:13] <[Saint]> ...and absolutely zero information on how to fix it.
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[18:13] <sharperguy> damn
[18:13] <sharperguy> yeah I don't see a lot of docs
[18:14] <sharperguy> I'm not sure if they emulationstation thing is meant to support other platforms or not
[18:14] <sharperguy> or if I'm just missing the actual emulators
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[18:19] <HoloPed_> Hi,
[18:20] <HoloPed_> I'm trying to understand how the pi camera effects work, because they look very different in the live-view from the what is actually saved
[18:20] <HoloPed_> And the live-view looks much better
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[18:21] <HoloPed_> Is there any find control over the effects paramentrs ?
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[18:22] <Zehle> Hi!
[18:22] <Zehle> Before I order anything. Will this work with a rpi b+? http://amzn.to/1JAwTHF
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[18:24] <SirLagz> Zehle: probably
[18:24] <Guest67561> anything above a c4 or c6 is a waste of money for a pi actually
[18:25] <sharperguy> ah i updated to the newest version and it allows you to install more emulators
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[18:26] <Zehle> SirLag: Great! :D
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[18:27] <Zehle> Guest67561: Yeah, because of the pi not using the speed?
[18:28] <shiftplusone> HoloPed_, could you be a little more specific? How do they look different? And yes, raspistill/raspivid have a lot of paramters you can play with
[18:30] <HoloPed_> for example, the watercolor effect
[18:30] <HoloPed_> looks very defied in the liveview
[18:30] <HoloPed_> the edges are strong
[18:30] <shiftplusone> ah, I haven't played around with those
[18:30] <HoloPed_> but when you capture an image, it's blurry and flat
[18:31] * shiftplusone goes back to being useless
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[18:44] * HoloPed_ loves shiftplusone anyway
[18:44] <shiftplusone> =')
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[18:46] <Zehle> Any microSD-card recommendations for rpi b+?
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[18:47] <SirLagz> Zehle: one from a reputable dealer
[18:47] <shiftplusone> Zehle, I use the official ones, but I think they're currently out of stock
[18:48] <Zehle> SirLagz: Ok, so anything that comes from a serious place?
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[18:48] <Zehle> I have gotten the understanding that there are plenty of cards that do not go well with the pib+...?
[18:49] <SirLagz> Zehle: there's not too many that are troublesome with the Pi AFAIK
[18:49] <shiftplusone> Zehle, there are 2 known cards that don't work. I think the Samsung EVO line has been fixed, but there's another samsung card sold by newegg and amazon which doesn't work.
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[18:50] <Zehle> shiftplusone, SirLagz: Alright, so I can probably buy anything that is "good". I found this card that has wear-leveling, that should work then.
[18:50] <shiftplusone> They all do wear-leveling.
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[18:51] <Zehle> shiftplusone: oh... really? I heard someone recommending specific ones because they had wear-leveling... :p
[18:51] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:52] <Zehle> So I shouoldn't worrie to much about which card i buy?
[18:53] <shiftplusone> Yup, just avoid samsung evo and these ones http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147234
[18:54] <Zehle> Alright, thanks alot! :D
[18:54] <shiftplusone> np
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[18:54] <HoloPed_> how do I get an python app to run at startup (and skip the login), but in a way that I can also stop it ?
[18:54] <HoloPed_> I did it once, and there was no way to kill the app
[18:54] <HoloPed_> I had to reinstall noobs
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[18:55] <shiftplusone> you can setup autologin on tty1 and then in bashrc, run the script if it's running in tty1
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[18:55] <shiftplusone> or use localrc and screen
[18:55] <HoloPed_> ehhh
[18:55] <HoloPed_> wat
[18:55] <HoloPed_> what is localrc ?
[18:56] <shiftplusone> sorry rc.local (in /etc)
[18:56] <shiftplusone> it's likely what you used before
[18:56] <shiftplusone> however, the 'proper' way to do it is to write an init script for it.
[18:56] <HoloPed_> ok
[18:57] <HoloPed_> what is an init script ?
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[18:58] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/
[18:58] <HoloPed_> thanks
[18:58] <shiftplusone> it's the standard way to auto-start system-wide services
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[19:11] <Bilby> http://redd.it/2tj59m
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[19:13] <HoloPed_> how do you deal with copy paste coding from the browser that kills the tabs
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[19:17] <[Saint]> copy, paste, coding, and browser, are all words I'm familiar with, but not in that order or context.
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[19:17] <[Saint]> What is it you're trying to do, exactly?
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[19:18] <HoloPed_> sorry
[19:18] <HoloPed_> wrong channle
[19:18] <HoloPed_> its a python rant
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[19:22] <shiftplusone> Why are you copy paste coding in the first place? D=
[19:23] <shiftplusone> It's kind of like connect the dots drawing.
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[19:25] <Bilby> what made me at least a little more suspicious of copy-pasting template code is the propensity of bad formatting to eff up a program in weird ways. Like autoformatting swapping a single-quote ' with a backstroke ` or replacing hyphens - with emdashes (longer -)
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[19:27] <shiftplusone> ah, took me a while to find a wordpress theme which doesn't go fiddling about with characters like that.
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[19:33] <HoloPed_> Is there a more powerful SOC that has the same footprint and pins as the PI model B ?
[19:36] <SpeedEvil> http://com.odroid.com/sigong/blog/blog_list.php is close
[19:36] <snowcatman> hello. i just am installing raspbian for the umteenth time. i am getting it wrong everytime i think. i have a canakit wifi usb a rtc ds3231 arduino r3 mege 2560 and a microsoft vx-2000 web cam. i think my issue is when i come off the ethernet to wifi i loss broweser connection do to divice time. and can not use pi store eather. just want it to boot up and get on my wifi and get the time
[19:36] <snowcatman> so i can browse the net and update as nessesary. also want to install all of that i listed
[19:36] <SpeedEvil> As a general point - do you really want to lock yourself into one hardware standard?
[19:39] <snowcatman> i am at the rsp configuration tool and am at an impass. don't know what i should do first to acomplish my last comment
[19:39] <Bilby> HoloPed_ the odroid (as SpeedEvil linked) might not be a bad option. there is also the banana pi, and a few others. nothing is exactly the same layout, but most are about the same size
[19:41] <[Saint]> The bananapi is just laughable and no one should buy it based on morals alone in my mind.
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> If you're making something non-trivial - expecting the Pi to be available in the long term is a bad idea.
[19:41] <Bilby> It does feel a bit... skeevy
[19:41] <[Saint]> many projects shamefully live off the back of raspbian and the RPF, but none quite as shamefully as bananapi.
[19:42] <[Saint]> or, perhaps, shamelessly?
[19:42] <Bilby> yeah, that
[19:42] <[Saint]> ODROID C1, OTOH, is great.
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> http://tinyonestore.com/products/1800 is funky
[19:44] <Bilby> SpeedEvil the rational i've heard for them continuing to make the Model B is that there is significant investment in infrastructure devices using that device, so there was enough demand to continue making it.
[19:44] <Bilby> If they're going to position themselves to the market that way, i wouldn't be surprised if people respond by using it. It's certainly cheaper than a lot of other solutions.
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[19:52] <SpeedEvil> Bilby: I'm not saying continuing to make the B is ridiculous.
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[19:53] <chris_99> i'm suprised they haven't realeased one with a new CPU yet
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[19:53] <SpeedEvil> Bilby: I'm saying that locking people into a specific hardware formfactor and SoC - from an alledgely educational foundation - is questionable.
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[19:54] <PiPower> Hello
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> Especially when broadcom executives are on the Pi foundation board.
[19:54] <PiPower> Can anyone tell me what SMPS ic is used in the model A+?
[19:54] <PiPower> I want to know if it can work with direct input from a lipo battery like the A/B can
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[19:57] <PiPower> ah its this one PAM2306
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[19:58] <PiPower> Nice, it looks like it can work with 3.2-4.2v
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[20:01] <Pieplay> I'm backtracking mistakes I've made and came to the conclusion I can not make a LED light up using the GPIO pins
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[20:09] <PiPower> Pieplay: it should work
[20:09] <PiPower> Well, actually, I never tried. Maybe the GPIO cannot source enough current
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> what sort of LED
[20:09] <PiPower> If you check with a multimeter instead of the led, does the voltage change?
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> The GPIO can light a standard indicator LED (with a resistor) just fine
[20:10] <PiPower> Good to know
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[20:11] <niston> 16mA per pin but 50mA total
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[20:12] <Pieplay> tried a bright white, then a small red, it's faint, but it lights up over the 3.3, nothing so far over the 5v
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[20:12] <Pieplay> Hold on I found a multimeter
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[20:12] <PiPower> White leds can have a high voltage drop, often more than 3.3V so they will not light if you put them between the io and the ground
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[20:15] <Pieplay> OKay 3V3 is about 3.5v to ground, 5V0 shows 0v to ground
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[20:16] <PiPower> What have you measured exactly?
[20:16] <PiPower> Between 5V and GND there is 0V?!
[20:16] <PiPower> That is not correct
[20:16] <niston> heh
[20:16] <PiPower> The Pi would not even do anything then
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[20:17] <niston> how do you connect the led? [GPIO Pin]---->|-----[GND] ?
[20:18] <PiPower> There also has to be a resistor to limit the current
[20:18] <niston> right
[20:18] <Pieplay> with the red led on 3v3 it drops to 2.0v and 4mA
[20:18] <FrankD> otherwise you explode the LED or the GPIO port
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[20:24] <Pieplay> okay this is just great
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[20:26] <Pieplay> Oh wait, the engineers didn't make it idiot proof
[20:26] <Pieplay> I'm using it upside down
[20:27] <Bilby> http://redd.it/2tizy4
[20:27] <Pieplay> I was using the Pi cobber, It hit me when I took it off
[20:28] <Bilby> SpeedEvil it looks like if the banana pi is a blatant ripoff of the raspi it at least comes through with the gigabit and sata
[20:28] <PiPower> Bilby: it's not really a ripoff
[20:28] <PiPower> the only thing that is more or less the same is the shape of the board
[20:28] <niston> "If you make your system more idiot-proof the idiots will build a bigger idiot"
[20:29] <PiPower> which makes sense for compatibility, you don't call ASROCK and Gigabyte ATX motherboards 'rip-offs' of one another
[20:29] <Guest67561> idiots are awfull smart
[20:30] <Pieplay> well the servo controller work, that's good
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[20:32] <HoloPed_> does pi remember the date/time if its not online ?
[20:33] <niston> as long as its running
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[20:36] <Bilby> PiPower i can see the point of that
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[20:39] <Bilby> Guest67561 yeah the Odroid is pretty nice
[20:39] * Encrypt should buy one
[20:40] <PiPower> Yeah, they are really nice
[20:40] <PiPower> we use them a lot at the university
[20:40] <PiPower> bit more difficult to get going than the Pi, but more than worth it
[20:40] <Encrypt> <PiPower> bit more difficult to get going than the Pi // Why?
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[20:41] <Bilby> This is quite cool looking too... http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140610189490
[20:41] <PiPower> Less software is available. For basic usage it is the same
[20:41] <PiPower> insert card and boot
[20:42] <Encrypt> Ok
[20:42] <PiPower> Yes, it is a pity that this W board is no longer made
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[20:42] <PiPower> It's better than the Pi for most apps
[20:42] <PiPower> The hummingboard is also cool, it has PCI-E
[20:43] <PiPower> (most embedded apps)
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[20:43] <Bilby> unrelated side note: taking win7 and office 2013 from fresh installs to up to date requires at least 2.5gb of updates downloaded. Doing this with multiple systems simultaniously suuuuuuuucks the bandwidth
[20:44] <PiPower> In the enterprise they typically have an update server for that
[20:44] <Encrypt> Yeah
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[20:44] <niston> you can also slipstream updates and service packs
[20:45] <PiPower> Does that also work for office?
[20:45] <niston> idk
[20:45] <PiPower> I thought you could only put windows updates
[20:45] <Bilby> I'm so very much not enterprise XD
[20:46] <Bilby> with XP i would generally download the service packs to a local server and then install them from there, but i haven't had this issue as much with 7.
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[20:57] <willmore> I'm seeing something strange on my Model B rPi. I am trying to get raspbian running on a 16GB HD SD card. I did the initial dd to the card and the pi boots. After I did the filesystem resize, rebooted and then updated programs and rebooted, now it says "mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s):
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[20:58] <willmore> and nothing good happens after that. Programs timeout and the system pretty much dies.
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[20:58] <willmore> google shows me that this had been a problem back in 2012, but there doesn't seem to be any resolution of the issue.
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[20:59] <willmore> Anyone know what I should do? (use another card...)
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[21:02] <willmore> Moving the card to a laptop and it seems fine--fs is okay.
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[21:02] <shiftplusone> willmore, what's the card?
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[21:03] <willmore> shiftplusone, some HP branded thingey.
[21:03] <willmore> Want the model ## off the back?
[21:03] <shiftplusone> nuh, it's okay.
[21:03] <shiftplusone> but it worked okay before the reboot?
[21:03] <willmore> yep.
[21:03] <willmore> I rebooted 6 times and *once* it worked like nothing was up.
[21:04] <shiftplusone> any chance there's just a contact issue?
[21:04] * Guest67561 thinkz, nop
[21:04] <willmore> I reseated it a bunch on one of the runs to make sure the contacts were well wiped. No dice.
[21:04] <shiftplusone> what happens if you press the card down with your thumb as you boot?
[21:05] <willmore> I'll need to take it out of the case to try that. I'll take it back down to the basement--where the pi is and try that after this dd read test finishes.
[21:05] <willmore> I want to rule out that the card might be bad first.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> i think the card itself and filesystem is okay.
[21:05] <willmore> 16GB at 19MB/s is gonna take a few minutes. :)
[21:05] <shiftplusone> at least it sounds like it
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[21:06] <willmore> Yeah, sounds like it, but I would like to be more sure. I did an fsck -fv on it and that came back clean.
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[21:08] <shiftplusone> good idea. When you get the chance, see if you can capture the full output when it tries to boot as well
[21:08] <willmore> shiftplusone, I'll see if it was caught in the syslog. I'm guessing not.
[21:08] <willmore> I can photograph it. :)
[21:09] <willmore> Or rig up a serial port....
[21:11] <shiftplusone> keep in mind you can't use your pc's serial port and need a usb adapter of some kind instead.
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[21:12] <PiPower> Mmm, a fingerprint reader here gets so hot it burns the finger
[21:12] <PiPower> really useful thing then
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[21:13] <PiPower> it doesn't really burn if you swipe quickly for a scan, but it would if you would keep touching it
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[21:16] <willmore> Okay, reads fine. Gonna take it down and hold my finger on it. :)
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[21:16] <willmore> shiftplusone, a PC with a serial port? I'm old, but, geesh. :)
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[21:18] * ozzzy 's last PC had a real serial port
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[21:20] <willmore> Okay, worked with me holding it down.
[21:20] <willmore> Let go, reboot, *poof* broken.
[21:20] <willmore> I'll repet.
[21:20] <Guest67561> most still have serial ports, just need the header to db-9 thing
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[21:23] <shiftplusone> aye, that's true.... my new mother board has an LPT header on the inside of all things O_o
[21:23] <willmore> But not the second, third, nor fourth time.
[21:23] <willmore> Only worked that first time.
[21:23] <shiftplusone> damn
[21:23] <Guest67561> willmore, save your self some hasels and go get a different sdcard
[21:24] <shiftplusone> I'm a little worried it's not the card, but the sd card holder or the pi itself.
[21:24] <Guest67561> you'll test it ever which way from sunday, it will be fine, but not workie in the pi
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[21:25] <willmore> shiftplusone, even with it failing while I hold the card in a vulcan nerve pinch?
[21:26] <willmore> I'll try one of my samsung plus cards, next.
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> I have no idea what the problem is, to be honest. I just haven't heard of problematic HP cards.... maybe this problem is more widespread than we know of =(
[21:27] <shiftplusone> but the symptoms are different, so I'm still not convinced it's an sd card issue directly.
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[21:28] <troulouliou_dev> hi i need to compil a modul from the kernel tree that is not in the default kernel : is it possible directly on the pi ?
[21:28] <willmore> writing the new card....
[21:28] <shiftplusone> troulouliou_dev, yes, but it will take a long time
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[21:29] <troulouliou_dev> shiftplusone, what is the best option to keep up to date with the repo kernel
[21:29] <troulouliou_dev> and have this module updated
[21:29] <shiftplusone> troulouliou_dev, how often does the module get updated?
[21:30] <troulouliou_dev> shiftplusone, at each kernel upgrade from apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:30] <shiftplusone> you can usually get away without re-compiling the module unless there was a version bump on the kernel.
[21:30] <shiftplusone> what's the module?
[21:31] <troulouliou_dev> shiftplusone, CONFIG_USB_SPEEDTOUCH=m
[21:32] <Guest67561> =m means it is compiled as a module and not into kernel
[21:33] <Guest67561> doesn't mean it's not there
[21:33] <troulouliou_dev> Guest67561, that on another server
[21:33] <Guest67561> just you gotta load it
[21:33] <troulouliou_dev> Guest67561, it is not for the default kernel
[21:33] <troulouliou_dev> Guest67561, zcat /proc/config.gz | grep SPEEDTOUCH -> nada on the pi
[21:34] <troulouliou_dev> shiftplusone, dkms on a module inside the kernel tree is possible ?
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[21:36] <shiftplusone> In theory, but I haven't played around with dkms at all yet.
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[21:42] <willmore> Okay, using a Samsung card and all seems well so far. *crossfingers*
[21:42] <willmore> Let's do an os update and see if it survives. :)
[21:43] <niston> ah
[21:44] <niston> whats your opinion on the zombie apocalypse?
[21:45] <willmore> Pretty sure that hasn't happened yet.
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[21:49] <Tachyon`> are you sure?
[21:49] <Tachyon`> ever seen the jeremy kyle show?
[21:49] * willmore doesn't watch TV.
[21:50] <Tachyon`> well, nor do I, since 2007 anyway, but if you ever catch a snippet of that you'll know what I refer to
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[21:55] <willmore> Hmmm, may have spoken too soon. Something is going on. I did a normal update "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade". At the 'unpacking tz_data' step, the active light went on and has stayed on.
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[21:56] <willmore> I switched to another terminal and could get a login prompt and actually login. But, no command prompt. ssh to the box doesn't work, either--I turned it on in the config before the first reboot. Hmmm....
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[21:57] <niston> blame it on the zombies :P
[21:57] <willmore> Seems likely. Maybe I spoke too soon.
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[21:59] <ozzzy> I blame it on the bossa-nova
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[22:13] <Bilby> back
[22:14] <Bilby> I got vote-kicked from a valve server for mocking someone using homophic and racist insults. The internet @_@
[22:14] <ozzzy> valve?
[22:17] <Bilby> sorry... I was playing Team Fortress 2. Valve is the software company and has official server
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[22:21] <willmore> Seems legit.
[22:21] <willmore> Were you?
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[22:24] <Bilby> mocking them? sure. those people pollute the online gaming world and need to be stamped out
[22:24] <Bilby> err... to clarify, "those people" being gamers who use bigoted and racist slurs.
[22:25] <kisak> mmm, more twitch 1080p network underruns with raspbmc
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[22:30] <[Saint]> Just so you're clear - that was a VERY awkward statement, and as an openly bisexual man, I was getting ready to put on my "yelling at you" face.
[22:30] <[Saint]> It can be read as though you were taunting people, with racial and homophobic slurs, and got upset that you got vote-kicked for it.
[22:31] <[Saint]> Then I re-read it, and realized it was just an awkward statement, and you were mocking other people for doing so.
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[22:32] <[Saint]> IIUC, though I may be wrong, I believe willmore thought the same.
[22:33] <[Saint]> Ooooohhhh, you almost got a finger-wagglin', I tells 'ya!
[22:34] <willmore> Yeah, I was reading it the same way, [Saint].
[22:34] <willmore> Hmm, a reboot and some dpkg invocations and the pi seems to be running. Let's see if it survives the next reboot.
[22:36] <[Saint]> What didn't help my situation was that my scroll buffer was up above the clarification.
[22:36] <[Saint]> Thankfully, I actually re-read it a few times to see if I was actually reading what I thought I was. :)
[22:36] <kisak> is the raspberry pi able to do h264 1920x1080@60?
[22:37] <Guest67561> willmore, "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" is where mine always died too...
[22:38] <[Saint]> @60? I'm unsure, but definitely 1920x1080
[22:38] <kisak> it looks like this twitch stream is above 30
[22:38] <[Saint]> it can actually do 1920×1200 I believe.
[22:39] <kisak> also, it appears that this is a network underrun getting 1920x1080@60
[22:39] <[Saint]> or up to 576i on composite
[22:39] <Bilby> [Saint] yeah i realized in hindsight that my statement could be misinterpreted
[22:39] <Bilby> hence the clarification XD
[22:40] <[Saint]> Bilby: yeah, it didn't help _at all_ that my scrollbuffer was above your clarification.
[22:40] <[Saint]> I didn't actually realize that until I couldn't see my own responses.
[22:40] <Bilby> lol
[22:40] <willmore> Okay, I think I have the pi back up and running where/what/how it should.
[22:41] * Bilby sets willmore's pi on fire
[22:41] <willmore> Oh, crud.
[22:41] <Bilby> whoops, sorry!
[22:41] <[Saint]> kisak: I would be quite highly surprised if the pi could play 1920x1080@60 from network
[22:41] * Bilby puts out the fire with a bucket of water
[22:41] <willmore> Guess I'll need to retire that B and upgrade it to a B+. :)
[22:41] <[Saint]> kisak: that's some (potentially, though not definitely) fairly heavy throughput.
[22:42] <willmore> BTW, if I ever meet the person who did the design for the B+, I'll buy them a beer. What a well designed board.
[22:42] <Bilby> that it is
[22:42] <[Saint]> Rather a lot for a device that shared network and storage on a single bus
[22:43] <[Saint]> I honestly don't think there's any reason to upgrade if you already have the B
[22:43] <willmore> Bilby, set it on fire.
[22:43] <[Saint]> And, if one was considering spending ~$35-ish on a new SBC...my choice certainly would not be the B+
[22:43] <Bilby> I was about to say that i've streamed 1080 with the pi, no problem, but I realized that was @ 24 fps
[22:43] * Bilby sets willmore's beer on fire
[22:44] <willmore> I don't know what kind of support the ODROID-C1 has, but the board, itself, looks spiffy.
[22:44] <[Saint]> willmore: if you want to upgrade, significantly, at the same price point...take a look at Hardkernel's ODROID C1
[22:44] <[Saint]> you may well wet yourself in delight.
[22:44] <willmore> Jinxed, buy me a coke. :)
[22:45] * willmore thinks the wetting himself part is unlikely.
[22:45] <Bilby> I've been kicking around getting another pi, but I might bite on the odriod instead. Only reason i'm dithering is that I have a decent amount of dev time invested in pilike things
[22:45] <[Saint]> willmore: well, as far as OS support goes, you've got the major distros to fall back on.
[22:45] <willmore> I'm waiting for the A+ to become more broadly available.
[22:45] <[Saint]> As far as board support goes, ...meh. Community? ...its getting there.
[22:45] <willmore> Yeah, having a straight up ARMv7 to deal with makes live much easier, I would have to assume.
[22:45] <[Saint]> Its had nowhere near as much time as the pi has.
[22:46] <willmore> Are they here on freenode?
[22:46] <shiftplusone> Turns out that the C1 uses the same USB core as the pi, but they don't have a FIQ to make it usable. Expect USB to be terrible on a C1.
[22:46] <[Saint]> #odroid
[22:47] <willmore> Wait, worse than the rPi? Is that possible? ;)
[22:47] <[Saint]> I haven't found that to be true at all, that's, odd.
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[22:48] <willmore> I don't follow things as closely as I'd like. Last I left it the USB situation on rPi was "broken in hardware and there is no way to 100% work around it, sorry."
[22:48] <[Saint]> well, its not /broken/.
[22:48] <[Saint]> unless one considers non-performant to be broken.
[22:48] <shiftplusone> willmore, then there was a guy sending it pull requests fixing things until they hired him and he did magic to get around most issues.
[22:49] <willmore> non-performant is fine by me. Silently breaks and causes corruption would bug me.
[22:49] <willmore> shiftplusone, awesome. Glad to hear.
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[22:50] * willmore has never had a USB issue
[22:50] * willmore hopes never to have one.
[22:50] <[Saint]> That is really interesting, I read some unverifiable statements to the contrary early on and took it with a grain of salt, but my experience with the hardware, comparing USB throughput (especially with USB<->eth), has been light night and day with C1 vs. Pi.
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[22:51] <[Saint]> *been like, silly context sensitive autosugegstion
[22:52] <willmore> I assume you're implying the C1 is better? With all that CPU behind it, I would think the higher layers (IP, TCP) wouldn't be much of a strain.
[22:52] <shiftplusone> I don't doubt that the C1 may have better throughput. A faster processor with more cores certainly helps.
[22:52] <[Saint]> willmore: correct
[22:52] <willmore> heck, it's got at least 8x the CPU assuming you only count clock cycles and ignore that the A5 is probably a good deal better clock for clock than ARM11
[22:53] <[Saint]> yeah, things rarely scale linearly like that, but its on the right track. Sure.
[22:53] <willmore> Looks quiet over at #odroid, but then again, I have to put up with Bilby's racial and homophobis slurs here. ;)
[22:54] <[Saint]> Hell, honestly, even if it was 1GHz dual core, or even signle, not being ARMv6 is a huge bonus.
[22:54] <willmore> Looking at the datasheet, it looks to have a pretty hefty memory arch. Enough that 'openssl speed' should look awesome. [Saint] you have one, right? Can you send me the output from 'openssl speed'?
[22:54] <[Saint]> I love the pi to bits, but almost singlehandedly reviving ARMv6 is not something I consider to be of benefit to the "greater good"
[22:54] <willmore> yeah, sorry, ARMv6, not ARM11.
[22:55] * willmore has too much Nintendo DS on the brain.
[22:55] <shiftplusone> ahm
[22:55] <shiftplusone> armv6==arm11
[22:55] <shiftplusone> because... sensible naming schemes
[22:55] <willmore> There's one thing I hate more than being wrong and that's being right and thinking I'm wrong.
[22:56] <willmore> retroactive renaming!
[22:56] <shiftplusone> heh
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[22:57] <willmore> I have a chart of openssl performance on a number of platforms, so adding the C1 to it would be nice.
[22:57] <Bilby> willmore ;__;
[22:58] * willmore was going to feel bad about taunting Bilby, but that use of anime eyes makes me feel justified.
[22:58] * willmore hates anime eyes with a fire that burns with the heat of a million suns.
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[23:02] <Bilby> ( p_q)
[23:02] <willmore> What does that even mean?????
[23:03] <Bilby> (✖╭╮✖)
[23:03] * pksato (~PEBKAC@unaffiliated/pksato) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[23:03] <Bilby> <_<
[23:03] <willmore> Is there a standard set of those or do you make them up on the fly?
[23:03] <Bilby> sorry lol, I found a giant list and bookmarked it a while ago
[23:03] <Bilby> because of course there's a website http://japaneseemoticons.net/
[23:04] <[Saint]> giant list huh?
[23:04] <[Saint]> I HATE giant lists!
[23:04] <willmore> Does it have a textual translaion of what they're supposed to mean?
[23:04] <[Saint]> (っ ºДº)っ ︵ ⌨
[23:04] <[Saint]> (I hope people have the glyphs for that)
[23:04] <Bilby> ಠ_ರೃ
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[23:05] <[Saint]> ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
[23:05] <[Saint]> I have for too many of these as aliases in my client
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[23:05] <Bilby> aha
[23:06] <[Saint]> personal favorite:
[23:06] <[Saint]> ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
[23:06] <niston> wtf?
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[23:07] <Bilby> ( ͡^ ͜ʖ ͡^ )
[23:07] <willmore> niston, run, save youself.
[23:08] * niston hides
[23:08] <Bilby> ... I save too many things.
[23:08] <[Saint]> I imagine most of these look pretty whack with improper unicode support
[23:08] <willmore> [Saint], did you see my request?
[23:08] <Bilby> I just found a copy of Ubuntu 9.04
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[23:08] <willmore> yeah, that's what I was thinking. When I see them, I just assume it's line noise or because of a font I don't have installed. :)
[23:09] <niston> decompression artifacts
[23:09] <Bilby> ah yeah, if you don't have unicode set up these will look weird
[23:10] <willmore> Ubuntu 9.04? Please, I have a boot/root floppy set for Linux 0.12 lying around in a box somewhere in my basement.
[23:12] <willmore> niston, conversation artifacts.
[23:12] <Bilby> hah
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[23:12] <Bilby> I really need to pick up about 4 4-6TB drives and just dump everything in, sort for dupes and re-back-up everthing
[23:13] * willmore looks over at the fileserver which as 8 2TB drives.
[23:13] <willmore> I what, now?
[23:14] <willmore> Speaking of which, I really need to get the new MB in there and replace my dead hot-spare. How ironic is it that the hot spare is the drive that failed?;)
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[23:14] <willmore> I guess, if one has to fail, I'll pick that one.
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[23:16] <niston> hot spare turns into cold waste
[23:16] <willmore> yep. At least I'll harvest its magents.
[23:16] <willmore> err, magnets.
[23:17] <Bilby> I'm trying to pick up a new client / employer, I was asking about their backup process (Because no one ever backs up *eyeroll*)
[23:17] <Bilby> turns out, they had an incremental backup to a diskstation
[23:17] <Bilby> which also backed itself up to an external drive
[23:17] <niston> Bilby: And those who do have never actually tried to restore something
[23:17] <[Saint]> root@mediabox:/ # openssl speed
[23:17] <[Saint]> /system/bin/sh: openssl: not found
[23:17] <Bilby> and then it also synchronized with a smaller diskstation, hidden in a closet on another floor
[23:17] <[Saint]> well...that's bloody helpful.
[23:17] <Bilby> AND it backed up to glacier
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[23:17] <Bilby> I was... surprised.
[23:17] <[Saint]> lets see if I can find one not running Android I can access from here.
[23:18] <niston> [Saint]: http://xkcd.com/1084/
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[23:19] <[Saint]> hahahaha
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[23:19] <willmore> [Saint], thank you for looking.
[23:20] <Bilby> willmore I need to clean things because of paths like this... F:\Old Build\Desktop\Crap Cluttering my Desktop\from external drives\core\Setup Files\Google Video Player
[23:20] <Bilby> drive F being an external drive
[23:20] <[Saint]> I don't /think/ I have any ODROID devices here setup for ssh.
[23:20] <[Saint]> I found that one connected to another machine and got in with adb.
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[23:20] <[Saint]> not being in their physical locality presents some issues.
[23:21] <[Saint]> assuming I do find one, you want _all_ the ciphers, or just a subset?
[23:21] <willmore> Bilby, yes, yes you do.
[23:21] <Bilby> ... and "F:\Old Build\Desktop\Crap Cluttering my Desktop\from external drives\wikiphotos\shouldnthappen.JPG"
[23:22] <willmore> [Saint], I'll take everything, please. I'll filter on this end. Easier to ignore data you don't need than to create data you don't have
[23:22] <Bilby> which is this -- http://i.imgur.com/91xdnRH.jpg
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[23:23] <[Saint]> a few months ago I found a path of nothing but /temp/tmp/temp/tmp... that was something like 20 subdirs deep.
[23:23] <willmore> Only?
[23:24] <willmore> Ahh, how fondly I remember scripting errors leading to fun like that.
[23:24] <willmore> Misplace *one* semicolon....
[23:24] <[Saint]> symlinking to .
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[23:38] <Bilby> haha, oh, wow.
[23:38] <Bilby> "F:\Old Setup Files\Commander Keen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.exe"
[23:38] <Bilby> date last modified 12/4/2002
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[23:49] <niston> that's ancient technology
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