#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-01-26

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[3:39] <Basketball> shiftplusone, is there a way to ssh but see the raspberry pi screen
[3:41] <[Saint]> Basketball: x-11 forwarding
[3:42] <shiftplusone> or vnc, or 'screen'. Depending on what you really want to accomplish and your level of experience.
[3:42] <[Saint]> ...wait, screen?
[3:42] <[Saint]> that's just a terminal multiplexer.
[3:42] <kubast2> screen is a diddrent
[3:42] <kubast2> yeah
[3:42] <[Saint]> quite/
[3:42] <kubast2> Exactly
[3:43] <shiftplusone> yes, but if you have a screen session running on the pi and you attach to it....
[3:43] <[Saint]> I...
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[3:43] <shiftplusone> ....then... you can have the same thing on the screen on the pi and in your ssh session....
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[3:44] <[Saint]> uhhhhhmmmmm
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[3:44] <shiftplusone> What? Seems to be a cromulent answer to "is there a way to ssh but see the raspberry pi screen"
[3:44] <[Saint]> screen is a terminal multiplexer, I parse OP's question as "How can I see my full GUI over ssh"
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[3:45] <[Saint]> screen isn't going to help there.
[3:46] <ali1234> so the answer is "it depends what is on the screen"
[3:46] <shiftplusone> which is why I threw the 'depending on what you really want to accomplish' in there. I don't know what the user wants to see in this case, so I threw in all the options.
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[3:47] <ali1234> does x11 forwarding even work with raspi's overlays?
[3:48] <shiftplusone> Not sure what you means, but yes, it works.
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[3:48] <ali1234> i mean for example the preview window when you run raspistill
[3:49] <shiftplusone> Not for things like minecraft or openelec of course, but I don't think people are silly enough to assume it would work.
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[3:49] <ali1234> which shows up even on the console
[3:49] <shiftplusone> Ah yes, raspistill preview wouldn't work... silly.
[3:49] <ali1234> so i was looking at battery packs today
[3:49] <shiftplusone> *(by openelec I means xbmc/omxplayer >.>)
[3:50] <ali1234> lead acid vs lipo - same price, same weight, same size - but the lipo has 10x the capacity and built in USB ports
[3:50] <ali1234> but i don't know if i can trust buying lipo batteries on the internet
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[3:51] <shiftplusone> hmm... lead acid? same price?
[3:51] <ali1234> yeah
[3:51] <ali1234> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00IWNAQO2?psc=1
[3:52] <shiftplusone> Oh, that's a bit different because you're being charged for the fact that it's a power pack thingy rather than a battery itself.
[3:52] <shiftplusone> otherwise lead acid are waaaay cheaper
[3:52] <ali1234> that thing is £15
[3:53] <ali1234> and weight 300g
[3:53] <ali1234> compare http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battery-6v-1-2ah-Price-Each/dp/B000V3QT0G/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1422240760&sr=1-5&keywords=sealed+lead+acid+6V+2Ah
[3:53] <ali1234> £10, same weight, much smaller capacity
[3:54] <ali1234> and needs external electronics
[3:54] <ali1234> the battery pack looks like a much better deal to me, assuming it's not going to catch fire because it has fake batteries
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[3:55] <shiftplusone> unlikely to catch fire, but likely to degrade quickly or have nowhere near the claimed capacity.
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[3:59] <shiftplusone> looking on ebay, lead acid batteries are about a third of the price of lipo batteries of the same capacity.
[3:59] <shiftplusone> I'm sure it's possible to find questionable lipo batteries cheaper than overpriced lead acid batteries, but that doesn't seem to be the norm.
[4:00] <SpeedEvil> Looking on ebay is not a good metric for lithium batteries.
[4:00] <[Saint]> I particularly enjoy it when I find people bitching about LA batteries having a 'memory effect'
[4:00] <[Saint]> ...and then smacking them with science.
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> Many, or even most cheap vendors dramatically over-state their apacity.
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> for lithium.
[4:01] <abnormal> just use an auto battery
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> Lead-acid - they are printed properly on the cells.
[4:04] <shiftplusone> Yes, but that only adds to my point O_o
[4:05] <ali1234> so what's the smallest/lightest LA you can get?
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[4:05] <ali1234> 6V 1.2Ah?
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[4:06] <shiftplusone> if size and weight the metrics, then I don't think lead acid are the batteries to look at.
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[4:07] <shiftplusone> but clearly, it will be proportional to capacity
[4:07] <ali1234> clearly. but i've never seen smaller than 1.2Ah
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[4:07] <shiftplusone> Well, there ya go then.
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[4:12] <SpeedEvil> There used to be teeny lead-acid cells, used for walkmen
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[4:16] * shiftplusone just checked and is surprised sony still make walkman-branded products.
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[4:17] <shiftplusone> and they seem to be hilariously overpriced.
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[4:41] <sla_erick> Hello everyone, does anyone knows if the latest update from rpi-update broke anything related to i2c?
[4:41] <sla_erick> I'm not able to use i2c after the last rpi-update
[4:42] <abnormal> can you run sudo apt-get update and then upgrade again?
[4:42] <abnormal> usually that fixes it
[4:46] <sla_erick> abnormal just did that, keep getting the error
[4:46] <sla_erick> Error: Could not open file `/dev/i2c-1' or `/dev/i2c/1': No such file or directory
[4:47] <abnormal> ok, shiftplusone what is that command to fix ^^^^^
[4:47] <shiftplusone> ah yes, sec.
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[4:48] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=97314&p=677236
[4:48] <abnormal> ty
[4:48] <shiftplusone> np
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[4:48] <shiftplusone> just add dtparam=i2c1=on to config.txt
[4:48] <sla_erick> thanks abnormal and @shiftplusone
[4:48] <abnormal> yw
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[4:56] <willmore> SpeedEvil, they used those batteries in their portable phones, too.
[4:57] <SpeedEvil> NiCd sucked early on
[4:57] <willmore> Not cell phones, the kind you keep at home. :)
[4:57] <SpeedEvil> ah
[4:58] <willmore> NiCd beats NiMH in most everything but energy density.
[4:58] <willmore> LiFePO3 is where the future is--for now.
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[5:04] <ShorTie> interesting, Wet-cell nickel-cadmium batteries were invented in 1898.
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[5:05] <abnormal> lol
[5:05] <abnormal> that's a tad a while ago... lol
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[5:05] <ShorTie> just a touch
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[5:09] <ShorTie> In 1932 active materials were deposited inside a porous nickel-plated electrode and fifteen years later began on a sealed nickel-cadmium battery.
[5:09] * willmore has a bunch.
[5:10] <willmore> They're not high capacity, but they're crazy low maintanance and they crank a lot of amps.
[5:11] <abnormal> I use automobile batteries... they last abt 3 months per chare
[5:11] <abnormal> *charge
[5:11] <willmore> For what use?
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[5:11] <abnormal> to run pi's
[5:11] <willmore> No charging?
[5:11] <willmore> Just "go over in the corner and run"
[5:11] <abnormal> and what ever is hooked to pi's
[5:12] <abnormal> yup
[5:12] <willmore> Okay.
[5:12] <abnormal> lol
[5:12] <willmore> Not very nice to PbSO4 to do that.
[5:12] <willmore> They really don't like that kind of deep discharge.
[5:12] <abnormal> I use voltage drop devices to maintain the 5V...
[5:13] <willmore> I wonder if Alkaline batteries might be cheaper for power
[5:13] <abnormal> yes
[5:13] <willmore> abnormal, you mean linear regulators?
[5:13] * willmore is guessing English is not your primary language and is trying to be helpful
[5:13] <abnormal> but you will go thru a lot of them.. yes, linear regulators
[5:14] <abnormal> no, not english, ameriglish
[5:14] <willmore> Okay, that's throwing away a lot of your power. You might want to look at some cheap switching regulators to make your 5V.
[5:14] <willmore> :)
[5:14] <abnormal> I an in CNY
[5:14] <willmore> Central New York?
[5:14] <abnormal> yup
[5:15] <willmore> Like Rochester? ;)
[5:15] <abnormal> I have 5 pi's
[5:15] <abnormal> Ithaca
[5:15] <abnormal> and a BBB
[5:17] <willmore> Get some of those cheap little buck regulator boards. You could easily double your runtime.
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[5:19] <abnormal> nah... I mak e my own regulators.
[5:20] <willmore> Oh?
[5:20] <abnormal> sure... why not?
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[5:21] <abnormal> all you need is what is called a "voltage divider"
[5:21] <ShorTie> voltage divider != regulator
[5:21] <abnormal> so you put in 12V and divide it so it puts out 5 V
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[5:22] <abnormal> and it is fool proof if you do it correctly.
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[5:25] * willmore SMH
[5:25] <abnormal> you can go see Mr. Google and ask...
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[5:25] <willmore> abnormal, no.
[5:25] <abnormal> lol
[5:26] <willmore> ShorTie is correct.
[5:26] <willmore> regulator != voltage divider.
[5:26] <abnormal> Mr. Google is the most knowledgeable one I know....
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[5:29] <abnormal> http://registrynuke.com/dll-info/gearaspi64-dll-errors-fix
[5:29] <abnormal> oops wrong link..
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[5:30] <abnormal> http://www.raltron.com/cust/tools/voltage_divider.asp
[5:31] <willmore> abnormal, are you, by chance drawing any current at your output?
[5:31] <ShorTie> and your using those on batteries ??
[5:32] <abnormal> it's high, but if you put current limiters on there should be ok...
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[5:33] * [Saint] frowns
[5:33] * willmore isn't even sure where to start with fixing this.
[5:33] <[Saint]> I'm with you willmore...I'm with you.
[5:33] <[Saint]> I think the best way is to just smile and not politely.
[5:33] <abnormal> here's many ways to do this... https://www.google.com/search?q=current+limiting+circuit&biw=1280&bih=652&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dMPFVIauCciegwTu84LICQ&ved=0CB0QsAQ
[5:33] <willmore> That's going to upset my wife, but...
[5:34] <abnormal> ok I'll stop
[5:34] <ShorTie> very inefficient way to get 5v from 12v
[5:34] <[Saint]> hugely so.
[5:35] <willmore> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/106718/when-would-i-use-a-voltage-regulator-vs-voltage-divider
[5:35] <abnormal> well a lot of ppl use laptop batteries.FYI
[5:35] <ShorTie> like 41.7%
[5:35] <[Saint]> a conservative estimate with off-the-shelf buckies, at my guess, would be about ~60% increase in total runtime over a cycle.
[5:36] <[Saint]> and they're hardly expensive.
[5:36] <willmore> $1 each in quantity
[5:36] <[Saint]> yep.
[5:37] * willmore was shopping
[5:37] <willmore> I look for things...
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[5:38] <[Saint]> looks like I could pick up a a bakers dozen for free on my trade account as samples.
[5:39] <[Saint]> If I buy 50, I'm looking at $.98
[5:39] <[Saint]> *ea
[5:39] <willmore> Send me some, will you?
[5:39] <abnormal> here is a nice one: http://www.swwork.it/batterie/en/unipps130.php
[5:39] <[Saint]> where are you at?
[5:40] <willmore> Indiana.
[5:40] <[Saint]> I would dare say shipping would negate the savings. :)
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> Do remember of course if drainign from batteries you need to terminate teh discharge at a certain voltage to avoid damaging the batteries.
[5:40] <[Saint]> I'm on the whole other side of the earth.
[5:40] <abnormal> is there a walmart there?
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> Apologies if this was further upscroll than one screen
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[5:41] <willmore> [Saint], yeah, sorry. Can't really change that.
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[5:42] <[Saint]> If you're regularly deep discharging, some battery conditioner would go a long way to increasing efficiency over time.
[5:42] <[Saint]> but the best idea is to just..not.
[5:42] <willmore> Yeah.
[5:43] <willmore> "Doctor, it hurts when I do this."
[5:43] <[Saint]> heh
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[5:44] <willmore> I think we broke him.
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[5:45] <willmore> [Saint], where's 'here'?
[5:45] <[Saint]> New Zealand, Christchurch specifically.
[5:45] <[Saint]> alternatively "where?"
[5:45] <willmore> Oh, cool. I used to have a penpal near you when I was in college in the early 90's.
[5:46] <willmore> Wish I could find the DAT with my data from school. :(
[5:46] <willmore> I'd like to touch base with her.
[5:46] * [Saint] blinks
[5:46] <[Saint]> ...I had to read that twice.
[5:47] <willmore> Sorry, does that mean something different?
[5:47] <willmore> I mean 'find out how her life has gone since we last spoke'.
[5:47] <willmore> Or was it the DAT tape?
[5:47] <[Saint]> No no, my brain just replaced a word and completely changed the context of the sentence.
[5:47] <willmore> It was completely innocent, I assure you.
[5:48] <[Saint]> I'm aware. My brain, however, is not.
[5:48] <willmore> married woman with kids half way around the world. Would have been the worst long distance relationship ever.
[5:48] <willmore> Well, maybe a few astronauts could do better...
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[8:37] <Froolad> Do you know?
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[8:58] <Datalink> Froolad, know what? I wasn't here for the question, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wasn't
[8:59] <Froolad> That was the question. :)
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[9:01] <Datalink> that's exceptionally vauge :P
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[9:04] <Datalink_> harumph...
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[9:04] <Datalink> stupid tablet died the second I plugged the Edison into it >.<
[9:06] <Froolad> So what's the big idea?
[9:06] <Datalink> again, pretty vague, hard to answer questions like that
[9:07] <Froolad> I'm not picky about which big idea, but if you have one and you tell me what it is then we can both have a big idea.
[9:08] <Datalink> well, my biggest project right now is figuring out a way to have MPI running on all my platforms and have them interact, since Linux and Windows aren't totally compatible, I'm probably looking at something like HTCondor or similar for my home network, the Pi I own is unfortunately the odd one out since it's my only Linux system on an ARM of it's generation, both my phone and my Android tablet run a generation or two higher.
[9:10] <Datalink> all because I want a way to work out routes in Elite: Dangerous or Eve Online without having to reload the route every time Elite crashes on my older computers ._.
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[9:27] <Froolad> Yeah, that sounds like a project..... I've not played with setting up a cluster before.
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[9:58] <Datalink> Froolad, yeah, not sure how I should best approach it
[9:58] <Datalink> I'll get to it, just taking my time on it, kinda
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[11:27] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, does the supressing of i2c-0 on newer A+/B+ Pi's have an averse affect on earlier Pi's where it's the only i2c bus?
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[11:27] <Gadgetoid_> averse adverse?
[11:27] <Gadgetoid_> adverbs...
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[11:46] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, adverse is the right one
[11:46] <Datalink> sadly I have no idea as I'm still on a Rev 1 B
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[12:03] <Jusii> has anyone more info about the official raspberry pi sdcard, the one with the raspberry logo? Farnell says discontinued product. Is there new official card that replaces this?
[12:04] <Datalink> they're just SD cards with the NOOBS image pre-written to them
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[12:05] <Jusii> adding to that, they're very well tested and aren't just some random cards
[12:05] <ShorTie> what info you want to know, i believe they are a c6 sdcard
[12:06] <ShorTie> use to be a c4
[12:06] <Jusii> want to know if there's another 'official' card coming. That would mean that it would be available longer than some other cards
[12:07] <Jusii> it might be all history, but there was a lot cards that didn't really work that well with the pi
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[12:07] <Jusii> reason I'm asking is because we use RPI in a commercial product, we already have couple of thousand them on field with this exact official card
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[12:08] <ShorTie> no, not really, just got some samsung 16gb sdcard that don't work worth a poo for my B+
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[12:09] <ShorTie> but yet all the generic 1's i bought for the B work just fine, go figure .. :/~
[12:09] <Jusii> I did have couple alternatives tested well, but ofcourse those are EOL too and were actually not micro cards
[12:09] <Jusii> and for that reason we can't just switch to some other random card and hope the best :)
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[12:13] <ShorTie> different vendor then Farnell maybe ??
[12:13] <nid0> you could just check dmesg and find out what the card is, then buy the card itself (or if its been replaced by the manufacture, whatever supercedes it)?
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[12:31] <Jusii> I maybe jumping to conclusions, farnell just dropped both the card and the PI+8GB noobs bundle I think today
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[12:37] <Gadgetoid_> Jusii, there appears to be a NOOBS + JAVA card in stock on Farnell?
[12:37] <r3dsm0k3> Hey all, Im using gstreamer on raspberry pi for streaming from a logitech camera. Im getting some strange artifacts in the resulting video. Im not sure if it is something to do with Pi or gstreamer pipelines I have. How do i debug it?
[12:37] <r3dsm0k3> I get artifacts when there is a lot of motion in the frame
[12:37] <r3dsm0k3> not always though.
[12:38] <r3dsm0k3> CPU usage is not above 75%
[12:38] <r3dsm0k3> Also, have updated the firmware on pi.
[12:39] <Gadgetoid_> The rpi-update plague has beguneth!
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[12:46] <Ben64> whats wrong with rpi-update
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[12:50] <ShorTie> nothing really
[12:51] <ShorTie> just using like new tecknowlogy is all
[12:51] <ShorTie> i sortta think it really only effects the gpio pins, but not sure
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[12:53] <ShorTie> shiftplusone, pleaze correct me if i'm wrong
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[13:05] <RudyValencia> What bit size is the Raspberry Pi's CPU (32 or 64 bit)?
[13:06] <ShorTie> 32
[13:10] <Armand> ARMv7 = 32bit. ARMv8 = 64bit.
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[13:12] <ShorTie> ya, but pi is ARMv6 i do believe
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[13:13] <Armand> Well, 32bit, either way. :P
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[13:14] <ShorTie> true
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[13:16] <Gadgetoid_> rpi-update installs experimental/unstable/not properly tested firmware
[13:16] <ShorTie> bummer, just hooked up my 7" lcd and it has a double W's of red pixels .. :(~
[13:17] <ShorTie> that really sortta defines rpi-update in it's self, it is the test version of things
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[13:19] <Gadgetoid_> ShorTie, it's not very good at making that clear
[13:19] <ShorTie> what is that ??
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[13:21] <ShorTie> anytime you go futher then what apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade give you, you are venturing into the unkown
[13:21] <Gadgetoid_> Tell that to joe-Raspberry-Pi-user though
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[13:22] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, in theory, they'd be using the apt-get system, rpi-update was created by a user of this channel originally, for power users (I miss Hexxeh)
[13:22] <ShorTie> maybe joe-Raspberry-Pi-user needs to edumacate them selves a little more, it is documented
[13:24] <Gadgetoid_> "There's documentation somewhere telling you what not to do with it" is hardly a sufficient answer for a utility that's available an apt-get away
[13:26] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, 80% of the Linux ecosystem isn't to the 1.0 stable, I know several programs used by business level infrastructure that still have alpha status by it's developers.
[13:27] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, sort of beside the point- on a platform targeted at luddites I'd hardly expect a utility confusingly named "rpi-*update*" to install potentially broken and experimental cutting-edge firmware without any sort of warning, and inexplicably be available in the repos as if it weren't a dubious fudge
[13:28] <dreamreal> Gadgetoid_: welcome to open source!
[13:28] <ShorTie> but i do agree, that since the 1st thing does is upgrade it's self, it might have been nice to put a warning in it
[13:28] <Datalink> what dreamreal said
[13:28] <ShorTie> for this 1 atleast
[13:29] <Datalink> poke AndrewS and Dom then, though it works pretty much as Hexxeh intended from the start, at the time repos where very slow to update with new firmwares
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[13:29] <Gadgetoid_> dreamreal, haha, bit of a shame really that the wider insanity of open source trickles down and pollutes what should be a pure Pi experience
[13:29] <ShorTie> like, are you sure you might want to maybe bork your system y/n
[13:30] <Gadgetoid_> But it probably can't be helped without alienating the people who make the Pi possible
[13:30] <ShorTie> but that sortta the gamble on any testing version
[13:30] <dreamreal> Gadgetoid_: no real reason it's forced on anyone
[13:30] * dreamreal shrugs
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[13:31] <Gadgetoid_> I'd have no issue if rpi-update were some script in a github somewhere you have to go out of your way to find, but it's readily available, confusingly named and impossible for anyone who doesn't know its history to discern it from an official script like... for example... Raspi-config
[13:31] <dreamreal> Gadgetoid_: filed an issue? posted anything publicly about it besides IRC?
[13:32] <Armand> Are we complaining about the systemD plague??
[13:32] <Gadgetoid_> Hahaha Armand
[13:32] <dreamreal> Armand: I don't think so (and systemd is nice!)
[13:32] <Armand> :P
[13:32] <Armand> dreamreal: It's only a dream..
[13:32] <Armand> There is no spoon.
[13:32] <Armand> etc..
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[13:32] * dreamreal likes systemd compared to init
[13:33] <dreamreal> but to each his own (open source ftw)
[13:33] <Datalink> to my knowledge Rasbian doesn't ship with it installed... 'pure Pi experience' is that you're getting a linux computer with easy to access firmware (SD based), hardware (GPIO) and a community who has worked to make accessability easier, one member here's wiringPi functions, scratch pretty much installed standard in most distros, ultimately it's a system designed to be learned from, that includes learning from breaking it, which is why it's
[13:33] <Datalink> OS is on an SD card
[13:34] <Datalink> I mean sure, let's hold hands of a user, let's keep them from learning that it's possible to break a system... or... and this is the approach which I feel the Pi embodies, let em break it in a safe environment, let em learn from it, reflash the SD card and learn anew
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[13:35] <Datalink> I wouldn't know what I know today if I didn't blow up a 9 volt battery by wiring it into mains, shorted outlets out with hair clips, practically electricuted myself in grade school, the fact I'm not dead is miraculus but it was also educational
[13:36] <ShorTie> see my W's, don't they snuck https://www.dropbox.com/s/pvx0vp7t07b0pte/IMG_0279.JPG?dl=0
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[13:37] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, there's a fine line between letting someone break something, and leaving them so mystified that they simply abandon the platform altogether
[13:37] <Gadgetoid_> Not everyone has years of experience with tolering computers :D
[13:38] <Datalink> to my knowledge, the rpi-update loads viable firmwares, they may have a couple bugs, a little ragged but nothing that'll ireversably brick the hardware
[13:39] <Gadgetoid_> I think the current firmware simply drops i2c altogether without new config.txt options, unless I'm mistaken- I've seen two support requests about it today alone
[13:40] <ShorTie> sortta turns off it all, unless it is critical to the function of the pi i believe
[13:40] <Datalink> wouldn't know, I've not had problems loading the kernel driver for i2c though my Pi's also a rev 1
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[13:41] <Gadgetoid_> Sheesh, being an integral part of a programming jig is... tiresome!
[13:41] <ShorTie> from what i read, it sortta makes the pi safer
[13:42] <ShorTie> keeps the os from doing things it really should not be doing, is what i gathered
[13:42] <ShorTie> but i could be wrong
[13:43] <Datalink> I remember SPI and I2C being disbled unless needed when my Pi was new
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[13:43] <Datalink> IE through commenting out blacklist kernel drivers
[13:44] <Gadgetoid_> Latest appears to disable them even when they're enabled via all the means that previously enabled them
[13:44] <ShorTie> black listing things, is not the same thing
[13:45] <ShorTie> os still does some no no's
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[13:46] <ShorTie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24491&sid=f23aad7295784f711e0aaa798a66eeab&start=25
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[13:47] <ShorTie> 1st set of comments is worth l@@king at too...
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[13:49] <Gadgetoid_> Hmm
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[13:49] <Datalink> strange
[13:49] <Gadgetoid_> I hope the absurdity of designing a Pi-addon that does nothing until the Pi has properly initialised is not lost
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[13:50] <ShorTie> l@@ks like it
[13:50] <Gadgetoid_> Suspect that would only apply to Micros though
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[13:54] <[Saint]> the "stuff breaking on rpi-update" shennanigans is because of device tree.
[13:54] <[Saint]> device tree isn't inherently safer.
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[13:56] <ShorTie> like shiftplusone said, rpi-update is not broken, it does just what it is intended to do
[13:56] <Gadgetoid_> It just sounds more natural, it's a tree, it's green, and efficient, and environmentally friendly... but no... wait... what are these devices!?
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[13:57] <Gadgetoid_> rpi-update is broken simply because it does't take responsibility for its own actions and warn the user :D
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[13:58] <Gadgetoid_> And by virtue of its availabilty, function, and nomenclature, appears to be an officially endorsed way of upgrading ones firmware
[13:58] <[Saint]> Why would it need to?
[13:58] <[Saint]> The user chose to run it.
[13:58] <Datalink> the funniest thing I ever saw related to Linux, a friend's main desktop was Linux, daily driver... he, as root, chowned the entire filesystem recursively
[13:59] <[Saint]> Its not its fault the user is ignorant of what its doing.
[13:59] <Datalink> that didn't give a warning either...
[13:59] <[Saint]> Its just a tool that's doing exactly what its intended to do, after the user asked it to.
[13:59] <[Saint]> that's not broken.
[14:00] <Datalink> sure wasn't funny to him, as he manually re-chowned every file in the filesystem, but the tool did what the tool was designed to do, plain and simple
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[14:01] <ShorTie> sortta like when i ran delete tree from c:\, wasn't Mickey's Soft fault i cleared my hdd
[14:01] <[Saint]> There's really no need for rpi-update at all.
[14:01] <[Saint]> one can just jump onto the *-next packages for kernel and firmware
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[14:01] <[Saint]> its largely (entirely?) superfluous.
[14:01] <Datalink> when it was created, it was needed, desperately, as the *-next was added over a year after it was, without it, those of us who do dabble in bleeding edge wouldn't be able to
[14:02] <Armand> Anyone run hadoop on an ARM cluster for webhosting?
[14:02] <[Saint]> Datalink: oh, yes, I understand it was required when it was created.
[14:02] <[Saint]> Now, though? Nah.
[14:02] <Datalink> yeah, you can still get Lilo on an X86 linux though... same argument... a tool is a tool, as you said
[14:03] <[Saint]> Datalink: and, its not that you wouldn;t have been able to do so, nothing ever stopped anyone building their own kernels. :)
[14:03] <Datalink> [Saint], yeah... my record compile was 3 days... that stopped me
[14:03] <Datalink> okay, I kid... it didn't stop me, just meant I set the Pi aside for a while
[14:04] <[Saint]> compiling on the pi is...non-sane.
[14:04] <[Saint]> delegate that to even an average desktop and you're looking at a matter of minutes.
[14:04] <[Saint]> including checkout.
[14:04] <Datalink> hey, the commands are there, I may as well use em
[14:04] <[Saint]> the commands are there on your desktop too...
[14:05] <[Saint]> ;)
[14:05] <Datalink> not really, I didn't have a linux machine at the time
[14:05] <Datalink> my Pi was my print server and my Linux system in-house
[14:05] <ShorTie> nothing wrong with compiling on the pi, either gotta know when to start it or have petiences is all
[14:06] <[Saint]> if one uses a sub GHz CPU with a half gig of RAM, with likely only 2~300MB available to compile, and expects it to be fast, one kind of needs a dose of reality.
[14:06] <Datalink> yeah, configure one night, make the next, make install the third night
[14:06] <ShorTie> ie: start and goto bed/work, lol.
[14:06] <Datalink> I never said I expected it to be fast, I just said I did it
[14:06] <ShorTie> you ever play with Gentoo ??
[14:06] <ShorTie> you learn petience in compiling, lol.
[14:07] <Armand> LSF on Pi!! \o/
[14:07] <Armand> *LFS
[14:08] <Datalink> I mainly compiled to get OLED drivers for Adafruit's display running, that was actually pretty fun, though it it was annoying having my shell prompt wrap across 3 lines
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[14:09] <Datalink> [Datalin
[14:09] <Datalink> k@spindr
[14:09] <[Saint]> try again.
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[14:09] <Datalink> was trying to recreate it but meh, you get the idea
[14:10] <Datalink> didn't help that I changed my Pi's user to fit my standards... and the name's long too
[14:10] <Datalink> also accidentally capitalized it, fie
[14:10] <Datalink> cmatrix looked cool on that thing though... not very practical for X
[14:11] <ShorTie> oh ya [Saint]
[14:11] <ShorTie> in my need for play
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[14:12] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, huh? which suppressing of i2c0? In the old kernel, the firmware i2c peripheral is disabled regardless of whether it's actually i2c0 or i2c1. In the new DT kernel, it's up to the user to enable the one they need.
[14:12] <ShorTie> it took me about a cig to turn those arch install instruction into a script that makes an image, lol.
[14:12] <ShorTie> i could setup a cron job now, how often you want a new image made ??
[14:13] <[Saint]> Why do you even assuming I care?
[14:13] <[Saint]> All I took issue with was your hilarious claims of RPF's God complex and that they attempted to "force Arch into complying"
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[14:14] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, would appear that a transition from old to new would "disable" i2c, by virtue of the fact the old method of enabling it is no longer applicable
[14:14] <[Saint]> I could not give a rats arse about the availability of the images.
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[14:14] <[Saint]> Only your ridiculous claims.
[14:14] <[Saint]> I stated that several times.
[14:16] <[Saint]> Its a crying shame no one actually connected directly to RPF was around to smack some sense into you.
[14:16] <[Saint]> but...anyhoo.
[14:16] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, obviously it's in my best interests to make sure our customers don't all find their devices inexplicably stop working when such an update is rolled out through apt, so I'm trying to be proactive
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[14:19] * willmore isn't following all the chatter
[14:19] <willmore> Is there an issue with rpi-update?
[14:19] <willmore> Not sure I've ever run that. :)
[14:20] <Gadgetoid_> No willmore, but the firmware it installs has changed substantially enough that it could cause people short term problems
[14:20] <willmore> Too used to plain debian.
[14:20] <willmore> Gadgetoid, such as broken device tree names?
[14:20] <willmore> Or, 'different' rather.
[14:21] <Gadgetoid_> No, the very use of device tree at all I think- ie if joe-user runs it and gets a device-tree powered kernel without knowing what they've just installed
[14:21] * [Saint] just wants to point out for the record that its not specifically an issue with rpi-update
[14:21] <Gadgetoid_> Which given the Pi's market isn't outside the realms of possibility
[14:21] <willmore> [Saint], can you summarize the change?
[14:22] <[Saint]> any user is going to hit this evetually via normals means of updating/upgrading the device, eventually.
[14:22] <[Saint]> rpi-update just makes that happen quicker.
[14:22] <Gadgetoid_> Yes [Saint] and that's a bad thing for support if it's not handled gracefully
[14:22] <Gadgetoid_> For us, specifically, and probably other people in the Pi-addons business
[14:22] <willmore> I'm using my rpi as a dhcp/dns server, should I be concerned if I do this update?
[14:22] <Gadgetoid_> willmore, just don't use "rpi-update" you don't need it right now
[14:23] <willmore> true
[14:23] <willmore> "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
[14:23] <ShorTie> thats Linux's mooto
[14:24] <ShorTie> motto*
[14:24] <willmore> Glad I've been around since 0.12.
[14:24] <Gadgetoid_> It sort-of boils down to: When user upgrades via apt and gets device-tree firmware; does their previously enabled i2c setting get migrated across, or just trounced until they raise a support ticket asking what just happened
[14:26] <Gadgetoid_> I'm not saying the update *should* be graceful, but it should be clarified what's going to happen beforehand so I can pre-empt it
[14:26] <ShorTie> i've broked mant a system with a update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[14:26] <ShorTie> i've learn to always make a backup 1st atleast
[14:26] <ShorTie> if not grab another hard drive or what ever
[14:26] <ShorTie> if i care what on it that is
[14:26] <Gadgetoid_> I'm not saying the update *should* be graceful, but it should be clarified what's going to happen beforehand so I can pre-empt it
[14:26] <Gadgetoid_> doh
[14:26] <ShorTie> goes back to, <willmore> "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
[14:27] <Gadgetoid_> I can't exactly tell every single person who bought a Display-o-Tron, or a Skywriter to not ever run an upgrade
[14:28] <ShorTie> no, just remove the stuff that is needed to do it easily
[14:28] <ShorTie> then it it very intentional for them
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[14:29] <Gadgetoid_> but.... security?
[14:29] <ShorTie> like 'rm /etc/sources.list'
[14:29] <Gadgetoid_> I don't have control over their Pi's, at least not to the extent I could do something like that
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[14:30] <ShorTie> or 'cp /etc/sources.list /etc/sources.list.this.is.on.yoy',lol.
[14:30] <[Saint]> Gadgetoid_: supply them with your own images with security backports if you're that worried about it.
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[14:30] <[Saint]> make it clear they need to update from you, or its on them.
[14:31] <[Saint]> or, hell, make your own repository they source from.
[14:31] <Datalink> sure beats yelling at a bunch fo people uninvolved in IRC about it
[14:31] <[Saint]> amen.
[14:31] <Gadgetoid_> Wasn't aware I was even yelling, just trying to find a solution
[14:31] <Gadgetoid_> But yeah, this is clearly not the place to find it
[14:32] <[Saint]> its all been outlined in the forums, extensively.
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[14:33] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, fork for your product if it's that big an issue to your product, if you're supplying a product based on a distro, it's what vendors do with appliances I work with at the studio
[14:33] <[Saint]> yeah, that was my suggestion to.
[14:33] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, we're selling to hobbyists, supplying numerous products to people who may be using any combination of other add-on boards from other suppliers
[14:34] <Gadgetoid_> The idea of maintaining our own respository is absurd, although I have been maintaining a "product installer" with bash scripts for setting up everything in one-shot
[14:34] <[Saint]> Why is it absurd?
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[14:34] <[Saint]> Supporting your own product is absurd now?
[14:34] <[Saint]> TIL...
[14:34] <Gadgetoid_> *facepalm*
[14:35] <Gadgetoid_> So, if everyone in our situation supplied their own distro?
[14:35] <Gadgetoid_> The whole landscape would be a mess
[14:35] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, you must be new to Linux
[14:35] <Datalink> can't swing a penguine around without hitting 20 distros of Linux
[14:35] <Gadgetoid_> There's linux, then there's the ideals behind the Pi
[14:35] <Datalink> sorry 255, those 3 just forked
[14:36] <Gadgetoid_> For all practical purposes, the Pi is just "Raspbian" and that's it
[14:36] <Datalink> no
[14:36] <Datalink> no it's not
[14:36] <ShorTie> raspbian is a fork in it's self .. :/~
[14:36] <[Saint]> this smacks of concern-troll.
[14:36] <Gadgetoid_> We can't say: "Oh sorry XYZ primary school, you need to hold 4 different SD cards, one for our products, one for Adadfruit, etc2
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[14:37] <Datalink> Rasbian is a Debian fork, Ubuntu has also been ported, there's RiskOS, there's the Java system, NOOBS has 6 distros available, heck I have an SD card with Plan9 around here somewhere
[14:37] <Datalink> talk with #rasbian if you have an issue with the distro
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[14:37] <willmore> Oh, there's a #rasbian? Cool.
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[14:37] <willmore> Makes sense, I guess.
[14:38] <Datalink> it's freenode if there's an open source project it's probably got a channel
[14:38] <[Saint]> Ubuntu wasn't ported to the pi, its just an ancient build from when they actually did run on this arch.
[14:38] <Gadgetoid_> What you use on the Raspberry Pi, and what the average educational sector user uses are two different things- the Pi isn't just a single-board computer for linux nerds
[14:39] <Datalink> [Saint], ah, ick
[14:39] <[Saint]> Ubuntu got _reaaaaallly_ stroppy about stating that the pi supported Ubuntu.
[14:39] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, and it isn't just a primary school teaching age, either
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[14:40] <Datalink> and you're doing that, you're saying that it's only going to be used by kids, that's insulting to those of us with decades of experience in the field and pretty much the same thing you're accusing us of doing
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[14:40] <Datalink> [Saint], I said it was ported, technically I'm not wrong, just... yeah not official
[14:40] <willmore> It's a floor wax! It's a desert topping!
[14:41] <[Saint]> Datalink: no, it is official.
[14:41] <willmore> was
[14:41] <[Saint]> well, yeah.
[14:41] <Datalink> [Saint], it is?
[14:41] <[Saint]> its waaaaay end of life now.
[14:41] <[Saint]> Datalink: sure.
[14:41] <[Saint]> There was a time, indeed, when Ubuntu did actually run on this arch.
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[14:42] <[Saint]> many moons ago, and rather briefly, but, nonetheless, its a thing.
[14:42] <Datalink> and enough of it was around to make a Pi port, ehe?
[14:42] <[Saint]> not a pi port, no.
[14:43] <Datalink> ehe, not the first time, Asterisk exists because folks realized there's still some old old Unix related voice stuff implemented from Bell Unix
[14:43] <ShorTie> heck, you search around enough, you can build an os just like it was 10 years ago or so
[14:44] <ShorTie> it's all still out there somewhere
[14:44] <willmore> If only I had some National 32000's...
[14:44] <Datalink> Plan9 runs on the Pi, that alone validates that statement, ShorTie
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[14:45] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, also, Adafruit distributed a special kernel for their OLED that I toyed with, I had gone through and enabled it myself with a .patch but I could have used those kernels to do what I needed...
[14:46] <Datalink> actually come to think of it, I think I modded that for my needs, since I had a different display driver
[14:46] <Datalink> I actually don't remember, it was over a year ago
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[14:50] <ShorTie> that either CRS or oldtimers kicking in, i can't remember which
[14:50] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, honestly instead of griping, I'd use rpi-update to figure out what edits need to be done to my software and implement them in the install script, since the changes will come downstream eventually
[14:50] <[Saint]> or, look on the forum, where its detailed quite precisely.
[14:51] <Datalink> ShorTie, har har, I've had 2 jobs since I did it, I can't remember everything I do as a hobby and I don't do anything worth documenting just yet
[14:51] <[Saint]> I'm not going to play intermediary to google or lazy-web today.
[14:52] <Datalink> [Saint], but I thought IRC was just an interface to google 'I'm feeling lucky'?
[14:52] <Datalink> :P
[14:52] <Datalink> sure feels like it some days, gotta agree with that
[14:52] <Datalink> and to be fair, I'm guilty of that occasionally
[14:53] <Datalink> uh... maybe a bit more than occasionally...
[14:53] <Datalink> okay, a lot *hangs head in shame*
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[14:57] <[Saint]> Bah...I'm going to feel like the boogey-man if I don't do this.
[14:58] <[Saint]> Assuming other people's google-fu is adequate is a potential fail I guess.
[14:58] <[Saint]> So, here:
[14:58] <[Saint]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=97314&f=28
[14:58] <[Saint]> Gadgetoid_: ^
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[14:59] <[Saint]> this details precisely what you can do to avoid shennanigans.
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[14:59] <[Saint]> I said I wouldn't play lazy-web today, but, I guess I'm in some form of vaguely good or mildly empathic mood.
[15:01] * [Saint] goes back to the comedic genius that is Rick and Morty
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[15:06] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, sorry, was afk for a bit there.
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, I think the manufacturer is supposed to supply a dt overlay for the specific hardware that should be supported and that will allow you to enable the correct i2c port regardless of the revision.
[15:08] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, looks like I'll have to get a test distro up and running and sort those out asap then
[15:08] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, for HAT boards, presumably that's slurped automagically out of the EEPROM
[15:09] <shiftplusone> With an eeprom, it could be detected automatically and the right overlay could be applied, but otherwise the user would need to enable the overlay in config.txt
[15:09] <shiftplusone> yup
[15:09] <Gadgetoid_> Ah, so I might need to come up with a utility for installing/enabling overlays then
[15:09] <shiftplusone> brb... I'll talk to the in-house DT master to make sure I'm not lying.
[15:09] <Gadgetoid_> thank you
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[15:12] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, I borrowed heavily from raspi-config to build automatic i2c/spi enabling into product installer scripts- any idea if it'll be updated to support device tree too?
[15:12] <ShorTie> kinda would have too, wouldn't it ??
[15:13] <Gadgetoid_> ShorTie, probably, or replaced
[15:14] <ShorTie> more like a kernel version check to see which way it should do it
[15:14] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, he said he'll get back to me in a bit, but the discussion seems to have been centered around adding an option to enable the correct i2c port in config.txt without caring about the revision.
[15:14] <[Saint]> for now, as detailed in the forum thread linked above, you can guard against things breaking ahead of time until such a time as this is in place.
[15:14] <shiftplusone> so instead of enable i2c0 or i2c1 it would be like a i2c_the_one_I_meant.
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[15:14] <shiftplusone> (but without a stupid name like that)
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[15:15] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, and yes, raspi-config should be updated, hopefully with the release.
[15:16] <[Saint]> bdgve hdjefffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[15:16] <[Saint]> eddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd';;;;;;;
[15:16] <[Saint]> ;;;;;;;::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\
[15:16] <shiftplusone> cat detected
[15:16] <Gadgetoid_> Meow!
[15:16] <[Saint]> well spotted.
[15:16] <[Saint]> what gave it away? ;)
[15:16] * Armand shoots [Saint]'s cat with a tranq
[15:17] <Gadgetoid_> The fact it typed "feeeeed"
[15:17] <Gadgetoid_> Cats are greedy sods!
[15:17] <chris_99> haha
[15:17] <shiftplusone> heh
[15:17] <[Saint]> hahahahahaha
[15:17] <shiftplusone> brilliant
[15:17] <Gadgetoid_> Cat owners detected
[15:18] <Gadgetoid_> Thanks [Saint] / shiftplusone
[15:18] <[Saint]> I tried to get her out the way before she made her way to the Enter key, but to no avail, sorry guys.
[15:18] <[Saint]> I was ambushed.
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[15:20] <Gadgetoid_> Looks like I'll have to distill all this into our product install scripts- since I can already hear this post whooshing over customers' heads
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[15:20] <Datalink> [Saint], far from the first cat to have tried to get on IRC, don't worry
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[15:23] <[Saint]> Gadgetoid_: it might be worthwhile hosting your own repository and either forcibly adding, or alternatively allowing the user to add it at their leisure IFF they understand the repercussions of doing so, your own sources.list entry so that you can remotely push stuff like this to devices you manage to proactively guard against stuff like this in future.
[15:23] <Gadgetoid_> Trouble is that we don't, and shouldn't, manage any devices
[15:24] <[Saint]> but in events like this, they're gonna blame you for such shennanigans.
[15:24] <[Saint]> regardless if its your fault or not.
[15:24] <Gadgetoid_> Since Raspbian, as the "official" distro, is supposed to be inherently user-friendly
[15:24] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, yeah, even the most user friendly product breaks old stuff when changes are needed
[15:25] <[Saint]> ^ beat me to it
[15:25] <Gadgetoid_> We don't get much blame, actually, but I can imagine the mayhem when the update rolls out and was just looking for a way to deal with it gracefully
[15:25] <[Saint]> this is breaking stuff now so less stuff breaks in future.
[15:25] <[Saint]> its entirely understandable.
[15:25] <Gadgetoid_> I appreciate the need for the change, and wholly embrace it
[15:25] <[Saint]> I'm just offering you a solution to how you can trivially remotely manage these concerns.
[15:25] <Datalink> "this is horrible, our iPad got updated" a week later, I never hear a peep about it... aside from teaching them new features... it belongs to the studio, don't ask me why
[15:26] <Gadgetoid_> But I still have to deal with support tickets from everyone from grandads and kids mums
[15:26] <[Saint]> a single (optional?) sources.list entry your installer asks to add, that tracks a repo of your config scripts.
[15:26] <Gadgetoid_> So if the answer can be a canonical "run this"
[15:26] <[Saint]> trivial to set up, and useful for many things.
[15:27] <Gadgetoid_> [Saint], not a bad idea, although I already selfupdate the installer when it runs and if it detects an internet connection
[15:27] <[Saint]> I would find it hard to imagine you wouldn;t find myriad uses for this.
[15:27] <Gadgetoid_> It's something I'll look into, since I want to distribute Qt5 backpots and PropellerIDE for Propeller HAT
[15:27] <Gadgetoid_> backports*
[15:28] <Gadgetoid_> And who knows what challenges Flotilla will present
[15:28] <[Saint]> there's a LOT of documentation out there about hosting your own repo sources channel(s)
[15:28] <[Saint]> its fairly trivial.
[15:29] <[Saint]> and your installer could simply ask the user if they want to track these enteries in sources.list
[15:29] <[Saint]> and possibly warn them about potential issues should they not
[15:29] <ShorTie> what are these products again Gadgetoid_ if i can ask ??
[15:29] <Gadgetoid_> ShorTie, I work for Pimoroni
[15:30] <Gadgetoid_> So things like: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/skywriter-hat http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/unicorn-hat http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/displayotron-3000
[15:30] <[Saint]> I really want you guys to make a layered case out of aluminium sheet
[15:30] <Gadgetoid_> [Saint], So do I.
[15:30] <[Saint]> I would buy that in a heartbeat.
[15:31] <[Saint]> I have several of your cases.
[15:31] <Gadgetoid_> Slice is aluminium, so we've got some experience with the constraints
[15:31] <[Saint]> but one day I thought...hmmm, this should be aluminium.
[15:31] <Gadgetoid_> The main trouble with aluminium is that it'd be super, super expensive
[15:31] <[Saint]> I understand it'd be more expensive, both to produce, and sales cost.
[15:31] <[Saint]> but, I'd buy the heck out of it.
[15:32] <[Saint]> I suspect others would too.
[15:32] <Gadgetoid_> It would be slick, so slick
[15:32] <[Saint]> doooooooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!
[15:32] <Gadgetoid_> I pondered an aluminium base, weighted
[15:32] <Gadgetoid_> With a premium felt bottom or something
[15:32] <[Saint]> I added stick on felt to my cases, maybe that's another idea you can steal.
[15:32] <[Saint]> stops 'em moving around on slick desks.
[15:33] <Gadgetoid_> Mine's got so much stuff attached it'll move the desk before it moves :D
[15:33] <Gadgetoid_> Been programming Skywriters all morning, the big ones
[15:33] <[Saint]> heh. I imagine you guys could use your existing cutting tech to jam out a bunch of layers of felt backing at a time.
[15:33] <[Saint]> just an idea.
[15:34] <[Saint]> its very inexpensive, and lightweight.
[15:34] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, considering my Pi's in a Pibow case, I feel extra bad having been so rough on you, I'm sorry
[15:34] <Gadgetoid_> I'm not sure, it might catch fire! Might be worth a punt- the downside is that the screws that hold PiBows together tend to give them little feet
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[15:34] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, It's okay, I wasn't here when they made the PiBow, or even involved in it past occasionally helpful comments in recent revisions :D
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[15:35] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, but I hope you get some idea of what I'm dealing with- we still into a *diverse* market, so I'm just keen to understand where I..err. stand
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[15:36] <Gadgetoid_> I ragequit IRC about an hour ago and we went out for burritos, now I'm high as a kite on mexican-hot chilli
[15:36] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, yeah, I didn't realize you where in that broad a scope at the time, and managed to make an ass out of myself in the process
[15:37] <Datalink> mmm, chilli sounds like a good idea, I think I'll have that for lunch today
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[15:37] <Datalink> but yeah, now I understand your scope more, and I'm sorry
[15:37] <Gadgetoid_> Chilli is always a good idea
[15:38] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, the theramin for the skywriter sounds like Gir from Invader Zim
[15:38] * drinker is now known as vulu
[15:38] <[Saint]> Not with a ileostomy :-/
[15:38] <Armand> Datalink: Doooooooooooooooom!
[15:39] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, the theramin is even better on the big one :D love it
[15:39] <Datalink> I need to get a VESA bottom plate for my Pi, and a short HDMI cable, so I can mount it to my 7 inch monitor
[15:39] <Gadgetoid_> I'm really killing my shoulder holding them down on the programming dock though, it's a bit crazy at the moment
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[15:40] <[Saint]> Datalink: velco sticky dots from a craft center
[15:40] <[Saint]> a few cents.
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[15:40] <[Saint]> then you can mount the wee blighters anywhere.
[15:40] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, ick, could probably do that with a piece of acrylic to clamp during the programming if it's a bed of nails programmer
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[15:41] <Gadgetoid_> Yup, evil pogo pins!
[15:41] <Datalink> [Saint], yeah, by that same token I could use the roll of 3M industrial double sided tape too, but I kinda prefer mechanical to adhesives
[15:41] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, swing out clip, save your arm :P
[15:41] <Gadgetoid_> Looks something like this Datalink: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Rm4ByIgAAt_E5.jpg
[15:42] <Gadgetoid_> Including lugs for the future addition of said clip... W.I.P.
[15:42] <Gadgetoid_> Only 42 more boards to go, though!
[15:42] <Datalink> joy o.X
[15:43] <Gadgetoid_> I don't know why I volunteer myself for this, but it's good monday-morning work
[15:43] <Datalink> biggest project I ever had was 4 boards, and that fell through due to the studio's budget getting cut, again
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[15:43] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, beats organizational meetings
[15:43] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, haha, it does!
[15:48] <shiftplusone> hmm O_o http://wirelessthings.net/openpi/
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[15:49] <Gadgetoid_> Open>
[15:49] <Datalink> shiftplusone, looks like a pretty good compute carrier board
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[15:51] <shiftplusone> Not sure what it adds to a regular pi though, other than cost
[15:51] <Gadgetoid_> Smaller footprint than a Model A+ I guess
[15:51] <Gadgetoid_> There's a lot to be said for a smaller footprint, the lack of a tiny Pi is still something I hear complained about often
[15:51] <Gadgetoid_> Mostly from Dan
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[15:52] <Datalink> shiftplusone, looks like it has an RTC and different USB placement for embedded applications, no GPIO header though, so probably would need a stardard phone battery charger pack
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[15:52] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, I could be one of those people and point at the Edison, but I've found it lacking in a couple other areas
[15:53] <Datalink> lacking a display, lacking community, lacking GPIO that actually works with anything I have...
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[15:53] <shiftplusone> another interesting CM thing... https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/raspivision-7-inch-ips-hd-raspberry-pi-display
[15:54] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, got an edison lurking about the office somewhere, I want to like it
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[15:55] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, the weird requirement for TWO Micro USB capbles somewhat confused me, BeagleBone Black it aint!
[15:55] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, for what it is, it's not bad, but what it is, is a few miles away from what a Pi is
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[15:56] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, I have mine leeching on the Vin rail of my Arduino, and I pretty much swap the cables out as needed, I'm using the micro breakout with the module, kinda wihs I could find the Arduino module sans core
[15:56] <Datalink> because it'd be nice to have that bank of level shifters for the thing, as I said, 1.8v everything
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[15:58] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, once you get the USB network adapter on the OTG port configured with a static IP in windows, you can pretty much forgo a second USB plug, and SSH into it locally, 192.168.2.2, though right now I'm doing console stuff and network stuff
[15:59] <Gadgetoid_> Yeah, I got as far as that then ran out of time
[15:59] <Gadgetoid_> Ooo, new prototypes :D
[15:59] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, I envy you, I'll likely have nothing better to do for 6 months than tinker with this until I get bored with it, and do something else...
[15:59] <Datalink> being disabled sucks
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[16:01] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, youch! Although I tend to sit in front of a computer 99.9% of my waking hours anyway
[16:02] <[Saint]> Gadgetoid_: its actually a larger footprint
[16:02] <[Saint]> 98mm x 75mm x 20mm vs. the A+'s 66 x 56 x 14mm
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[16:02] <Gadgetoid_> Derp!
[16:03] <[Saint]> so it seems largely superfluous.
[16:03] <Gadgetoid_> Not quite sure what they're trying to accomplish there
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[16:03] <ashkanull> hello
[16:03] <[Saint]> I would posit they didn;t see the A+ coming.
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[16:03] <[Saint]> and eneded up with a bunch of fabbed stuff they needed to drop anyway.
[16:03] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, wouldn't help me, my disability's stress related, psych issues lead to weird feedback loop when I'm given enough responsibility to justify being paid... I overwork myself, flip out, and have ranged from attendance issues, to genuinely breaking down and crying (to be fair, that was Walmart, which would bring anyone to tears, but still)
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[16:05] <ashkanull> I've accidentally pushed the barrel capacitor (I think C6) and now it's detached from pcb
[16:05] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, sounds like a normal day at a mainstream employer to me- although I've had more success coping than I ever suspected
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[16:05] <[Saint]> speaking from experience, avoiding the issue won't ever help to put it behind you.
[16:05] <ashkanull> the device is still working ! should I turn it off or smth ?
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[16:05] <Gadgetoid_> ashkanull, that big pointless cap? :D
[16:06] <ashkanull> yes
[16:06] <ashkanull> Gadgetoid_, by that you mean no worries ?
[16:06] <Gadgetoid_> Nah, just join the proud ranks of people who run Pi's without them either accidentally, or because they want to fit them in a 5mm space
[16:06] <[Saint]> its not pointless, but, it'll run without it.
[16:06] <[Saint]> just be wary of dodgy supplies.
[16:07] <Datalink> just the same, I'd avoid hotplugging USB or other surge prone things... like a supply that's not on the list of safe ones
[16:07] <Gadgetoid_> Haha, it's something of an inside joke between camjam veterans that I have a somewhat cavaliar approach to capacitors
[16:08] * Datalink glares at the Edison...
[16:08] <Datalink> it's not taking my root password in single user...
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[16:09] <Gadgetoid_> How are you getting on with that "rated for 3 insertions" connector on the Edison, by the way, Datalink?
[16:09] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, I'm up to 9, hasn't broken yet... but no kidding, the thing's tiny and fragile.
[16:09] <Gadgetoid_> so tiny!
[16:10] <Datalink> thank you Intel for finding the smallest damn connector in Hirose' catelog
[16:10] <Datalink> I'm not gonna pretend to know how to write the posessive for that name
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[16:12] <[Saint]> possesives where the original ends in s already just get a '
[16:12] <[Saint]> everything else gets a 's
[16:12] <Gadgetoid_> Woo, found a tiny 0603 tombstone
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[16:13] <[Saint]> If my name was Jimmybobsons, its Jimmybobsons'
[16:13] <[Saint]> If my name was Jimmybobson, its Jimmybobson's
[16:13] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, whee, I swear the first time I do SMD work I'm expecting to end up with that happening to all of them...
[16:13] <[Saint]> and that's todays episode of English with [Saint]
[16:14] <[Saint]> tune in tomorrow for...likely nothing.
[16:14] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, the pick-n-place machine smushes stuff down firmly enough that it doesn't happen often
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[16:15] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, like I can afford one of those on disability, the Edison was pretty much maxing out my spending cash for this month... mmm, ramen
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[16:16] <Gadgetoid_> You'll need a system of pulleys, powered by cats, and made from balsa-wood
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[16:16] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, I could borrow [Saint]'s cat
[16:17] <instigator> Hello. Is it safe to use a raspbery pi when its connected to a laptop via micro usb, as its power source?
[16:17] <instigator> or will it damage it in the long run
[16:18] <Gadgetoid_> instigator, that's basically how I Pi evenings and weekends
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[16:18] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, well, it knows how to type!
[16:18] <Datalink> instigator, it will boot like that, but computer USB plugs are rated for 500mA, so using accessories would be beyond the power available, that said, it's not unfeasable
[16:18] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, got any edison project plans, or just tinkering?
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[16:19] <instigator> Datalink: I see. i have connected my pi to my laptop, with a nano wifi adapter plugged into the pi and the wifi works perfectly
[16:19] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, mostly tinkering, thinkign it'd be an MPI machine for a cluster I dream of building, though dollar for dollar, Pis are still probably more viable, maybe also considering matchbox server for when I travel
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[16:20] <[Saint]> instigator: its "safe", but, your USB port almost certainly will not supply enough mA, if it follows spec.
[16:20] <[Saint]> unless its a dedicated fast-charge port.
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[16:21] <Gadgetoid_> <3 Macs for overpowered USB :D
[16:21] <Datalink> instigator, the 500mA is, fortunately, interpreted as a minimum value by a few manufacturers, like Gadgetoid_ said, it's possible, but it's not guaranteed to work, basically
[16:21] <Datalink> didn't they up it with USB3?
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[16:21] <Datalink> or is that just the fast charge port?
[16:22] <[Saint]> anything that does not enumerate will not get more than 500mA for a spec-following port.
[16:22] <[Saint]> regardless of the capability
[16:22] <[Saint]> and the pi will not enumerate
[16:22] <Datalink> ah right and the Pi does not enumerate
[16:22] <Datalink> only 2 of the 5 pins in the power port are hooked up, power, ground, the other 3 are not
[16:22] <Datalink> I wish they had made it an OTG port myself
[16:22] <Gadgetoid_> Ahh, I wonder if I hacked the system by using a Serial cable
[16:23] <Gadgetoid_> UART cables enumerate...
[16:23] <[Saint]> "fortunately"...hahahha...not...USB ports that follow spec are like bloody unicorns
[16:23] <[Saint]> so it'll probably just work.
[16:23] <Gadgetoid_> I have a UART header soldered to the underside of my Pi and broken out the side of the PiBow, and I plug the cable on there
[16:23] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, that... actually would be a cool hack, provided you could tell the UART to enumerate 700mA
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_> This is not sparta, this is madness: http://learn.pimoroni.com/add-a-serialuart-breakout-to-your-pi.html
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_> Wonder what my MacBook supplies to it by default, think it says somewhere in the sys info
[16:24] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, I'm going to just think of you as that 'awesome' type of crazy...
[16:24] <Gadgetoid_> Just crazy will suffice!
[16:25] <[Saint]> and, just because it'll bug me if I don't say it, 500mA is the maximum, not the minimum. USB3 and fast-charge dedicated ports notwithstanding.
[16:25] <Datalink> [Saint], thank goodness for lazy engineers
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[16:26] <[Saint]> things that don't enumerate at all aren't supposed to get more than 100mA iirc.
[16:26] <Datalink> [Saint], I can think of a few devices aside from Pis that would break at that... most of them say 'made in china' as the most legible piece of documentation
[16:27] <[Saint]> the USB spec seems to be more of a "best practices guide" than a specification.
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[16:29] <[Saint]> If all the USB ports in the world suddenly started following spec, and all the drivers in the world adhered to protocol, at least half the USB Datalink evices in the entire world would cease to function.
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[16:29] <[Saint]> hahahha, sorry, kitten tapped tab, made for a fun completion error.
[16:29] <[Saint]> *USB devices
[16:29] <Datalink> Realtek USB Card Reader Unknown <- this is the one built on my system's motherboard, should, if it followed spec, be reporting as self-powered
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[16:39] <Gadgetoid_> ~22 to go, whew!
[16:42] <Gadgetoid_> Pogo pins are evil
[16:43] <Datalink> still say you should make clips :P
[16:44] <Gadgetoid_> We don't have a laser cutter for general use, they're all tied up cutting PiBows constantly :(
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[16:46] <shiftplusone> I hear you've had a few fires there >.>
[16:46] <Gadgetoid_> Yup! Par for the course :D
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[16:46] <Gadgetoid_> If they don't catch fire, how are you going to know they're even switched on!
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[16:48] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, paper clips make lots of things
[16:49] <Gadgetoid_> I have lots of drawing pins
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[16:55] <[Saint]> I can't believe I've only just discovered Rick and Morty
[16:57] <shiftplusone> I've heard 'Rick and Morty' said a lot of times... no idea what it is.
[16:57] <shiftplusone> Hasn't reached the threshold where I look it up.
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[17:01] <Gadgetoid_> Rick and Morty?
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[17:01] <Gadgetoid_> Curious
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[17:02] <Gadgetoid_> Tried watching Archer recently, not sure about it
[17:02] <Datalink> damnit Intel...
[17:02] <Datalink> journald was set to persistant
[17:02] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, Archer is pretty much a superspy sitcom... once you realize that it's easier
[17:02] <Datalink> James Bond with mother issues...
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[17:03] <Datalink> though I've only watched the first episode, I couldn't get into it either
[17:04] <shiftplusone> Same here... seems like something I would've appreciated much more when I was 16
[17:04] <Gadgetoid_> Getting there... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Sb6rFIIAEkX9y.jpg
[17:04] <Datalink> there we go, killed /var/log/journald and halved the root partition use, as well as freed up 70% of the partition
[17:05] <Datalink> shiftplusone, some folks enjoy that stuff more than others, I guess
[17:05] <shiftplusone> indeed
[17:05] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, soon.jpg
[17:05] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, I don't know what it is, but it looks like it needs to be cut and stacked into a case >.>
[17:05] <Datalink> correction, 70% used instead of 100%
[17:06] <Datalink> shiftplusone, 3D capacitive sensors
[17:06] <Datalink> shiftplusone, more specifically the larger version of one they already sell
[17:06] <Gadgetoid_> They're fun, sort-of work as a mouse too if you don't mind not being able to right or left click :D
[17:07] <shiftplusone> great... now make it into a case >.>
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[17:17] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, so who in your office said, "I wish my Pi could do stuff like in Minority Report?"
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[17:18] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, Haha :D
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[17:18] <Gadgetoid_> Datalink, Skywriter is Jon's baby, he's still working on the predicting the future part though
[17:19] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, to be fair, we all are...
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[17:21] * Datalink wanders around the store, plans for the first
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[17:22] <YulievSakarov> Hello, what would you suggest to use between Screen and Tmux on a Raspberry Pi?
[17:22] <Encrypt> screen \o/
[17:22] <Gadgetoid_> I use Screen, but only because I find it moderately less confusing :D
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[17:22] <Datalink> screen for interactive, tmux if you're doing scripted stuff
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[17:23] <Datalink> I've had a screen session active for 120 days+
[17:23] <Datalink> on my server, but still... 120 days plus of me logged into it
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[17:23] <Gadgetoid_> The Pi doesn't have the "quit vim" button that full dektops have on the front...
[17:24] <Datalink> Gadgetoid_, yeah, kinda have to pull and replug them for that, or plug in my wifi dongle
[17:25] <Gadgetoid_> :D
[17:25] <Datalink> could be worse, I don't have enough apendages for emacs
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[17:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> ummm http://wirelessthings.net/openpi/
[17:43] <Gadgetoid_> ummm indeed
[17:43] <Armand> Meh
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[17:44] <Gadgetoid_> I think they're a bit out of touch
[17:44] <Armand> No LAN port. :/
[17:44] <Gadgetoid_> It's wiiiirreeeeeleeesss
[17:44] <Armand> Bleh
[17:44] <Armand> </3 wifi
[17:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> would of been nice with an ethernet port also ...
[17:46] <Armand> Everything I deal with needs to work in a DC environment.. Wifi doesn't cut it.
[17:46] <Armand> No LAN, no good.
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[17:57] <ecstaticpessimst> Howdy yall, do any of you have any pointers to easy ways of controlling my raspberrypi from my computer without an internet connection?
[17:58] <ecstaticpessimst> I have found a few tutorials but they all look like you need to have a keyboard and monitor to setup the connection.
[17:58] <ppq> you can use a serial terminal
[17:59] <pksato> if is wired, no need k/m.
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[18:00] <pksato> if is wireless (wifi), is more complex, but is possible to pre configure on other computer.
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[18:01] <Datalink> ecstaticpessimst, http://www.adafruit.com/product/954 there are others that are similar, concept's the same, 3.3v serial connection to the Pi's Serial UART, you'd connect using something like Putty in serial mode, or screen to the serial port, you can also, as noted, control over local network, though your question suggests you either have an A, A+ or lack a router at the moment
[18:02] <ecstaticpessimst> Datalink: Thank you
[18:02] <Datalink> you'll get a terminal, I'm actually using that method with one of my other embedded boards right now to set it up
[18:03] <ecstaticpessimst> Datalink: I have an ethernet cable that I could wire from my pi to my linux computer but thats about it
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[18:04] <ppq> pksato, this looks promising though https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/issues/44#issuecomment-68409999
[18:05] <Datalink> ecstaticpessimst, heh, figured as much, most ethernet NICs these days have crossover capability, so you shouldn't need a special cable, but you will need to set the IP manually for both computers, as there won't be a DHCP server on the network (unless you want to set that up on one of them, but that is much more complex)
[18:05] <Datalink> I've done that with a laptop and a Pi before, it's frustrating to do in windows, Linux lets you work with the network interfaces a bit more directly so should be a bit easier
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[18:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://pihw.wordpress.com/guides/direct-network-connection/ may help
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[18:16] <Gadgetoid_> Whew!
[18:17] <Gadgetoid_> Only 6 with errors, one tombstone, one that works but has a dodgy joint, and 4 more in various states
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[18:34] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, so we've decided I2C will work like it did in the old kernel.
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[18:55] <pvinis> i want to make a hotspot with my rpi so the connection with my pc is faster. if i do that, then can i also use the wifi usb dongle on the rpi to also connect to my house wifi for internet?
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[18:55] <Gadgetoid> Whew!
[18:56] <Gadgetoid> shiftplusone: you mean, it will use i2c-1/ i2c-0 depending on board revision/board?
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[18:57] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid, yes, the right i2c peripheral will be enabled by default, so aside from the /etc/modules magic and all the stuff you currently need to do to load the module, it will just work.
[18:57] <Gadgetoid> shiftplusone: Admittedly I wasn't aware there were implications with i2c beyond there being a different way to enable it- I didn't fully understand what you said
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[18:57] <Gadgetoid> shiftplusone: that makes some amount of sense, i2c is pretty prevalent on the Pi and most people enable it sooner or later
[18:57] <Gadgetoid> Most from my narrow case study of our customers, anyway :D
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[18:58] <Gadgetoid> And we have at least 3 products coming in the next month or two which will also use i2c devices
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[19:01] <Gadgetoid> Damn, we're going to hit 900 backers soon, whee!
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[19:05] <pvinis> anyone?
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[19:06] <Gadgetoid> pvinis: II haven't got 'round to trying that yet, but it's an interesting question
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[19:06] <pvinis> Gadgetoid: could it be that i need two dongleS?
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[19:07] <Gadgetoid> pvinis: potentially, I think once you put one in AP mode it can't then join a network
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[19:08] <Gadgetoid> Not sure it would make a particularly good wifi repeater though
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[20:51] <pvinis> anyone familiar with gpio and pi_piper?
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[20:52] <l_r> pvinis, not me
[20:53] <pvinis> gpio in general?
[20:53] <pvinis> i made a little script, ran it
[20:53] <pvinis> worked, leds lit up etc
[20:53] <pvinis> but when it ended, it doesnt run again
[20:53] <pvinis> /root/.gem/ruby/2.2.0/gems/pi_piper-1.3.2/lib/pi_piper/pin.rb:23:in `close': Device or resource busy @ fptr_finalize - /sys/class/gpio/export (Errno::EBUSY)
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[21:01] <pvinis> nothing?
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[21:05] <pvinis> how can i close a gpio?
[21:05] <pvinis> like gpio18
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[22:59] <Gadgetoid> Curious shiftplusone, did something change in spidev that broke Python's "spidev" module?
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[23:05] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, interesting
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[23:59] * kotopies (~kotopies@unaffiliated/kotopies) has left #raspberrypi

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