#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-02-02

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[0:00] <pksato> v0latil3: yes, gnd + led + resistor + wire as probe.
[0:01] <pksato> connect probe on junction that you want to test.
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[0:02] <v0latil3> ok
[0:02] <v0latil3> its not doing anything though
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[0:02] <v0latil3> :(
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[0:03] <pksato> if have continuous, led have intense bright. If have pulses, brightness is faint.
[0:04] <pksato> continuous voltage.
[0:04] <pksato> like, 3v3 or 5v lines.
[0:04] <arrakian> Anyone worked with 48 IR LED CCTV lamps?
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[0:14] <niston> nope. what's with them?
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[0:15] <arrakian> i need them for RPi NoIR, but i cant find online how big of area are they lighting up
[0:16] <niston> hmm. I have an IP cam with 7 IR leds that works perfectly fine for 28 square meters
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[0:18] <kiely> http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/entwicklungskits-prozessor-mikrocontroller/8326274/
[0:18] <v0latil3> pksato, could i have killed the whole gpio header thing?
[0:18] <v0latil3> not even the 5v pin to ground lights up the led
[0:19] <arrakian> niston, 48 leds should be enough then, just need to figure out how to power it up
[0:19] <pksato> inverted led? fault led?
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[0:20] <niston> arrakian: does the array have 12VDC input ?
[0:20] <niston> or are you building your own?
[0:21] <arrakian> niston, i dont have anything yet... except camera and RPi
[0:21] <niston> ah
[0:21] <v0latil3> pksato, led is fine
[0:21] <niston> so you need 850nm IR leds
[0:21] <arrakian> 5V battery bank is on the way... i just need to figure out how to power the led
[0:21] <niston> and presumably a bunch of resistors
[0:21] <pksato> rpi is working?
[0:21] <v0latil3> yeah
[0:22] <v0latil3> maybe this cable is broken im taking it off
[0:22] <arrakian> one solution is MOSFAT, but i dont have any clue about that
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[0:22] <niston> mosfet?
[0:22] <niston> its sort of an electronic switch
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[0:23] <v0latil3> pksato, :O i think its the cable
[0:23] <v0latil3> it wasnt pressed down on all the way maybe.
[0:23] <v0latil3> im going to go eat some and then test more
[0:23] <niston> these are 940nm but should work as well http://www.adafruit.com/product/387
[0:23] <niston> otoh you could perhaps get a prefabbed LED array from ebay for cheap?
[0:24] <niston> something like this? http://www.focalprice.com/HAA53B/Infrared_LED_Board_for_CCTV_Security_Camera_36_Light_Black.html?Currency=CHF
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[0:26] <arrakian> niston, i was checking those on ebay. 36 led or 48 led one. I just need to find tutorial online how to connect it to battery pack. But my biggest concern is how big of an area is covering. I was not able to find any video on youtube or anything similar
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[0:27] <niston> well depending on the led you might want to run them @ 100mA
[0:28] <niston> R = V / I
[0:28] <niston> so, V will be 5V - voltage drop in led
[0:28] <niston> I shall be 0.1A then
[0:29] <niston> for using http://www.adafruit.com/product/387 voltage drop will be 1.6V for the LED
[0:29] <arrakian> there is possibility to connect it to 5V battery pack? considering its 12V input on led
[0:30] <niston> well if you go with that adafruit led
[0:30] <niston> its (5V - 1.6V) / 0.1A
[0:30] <niston> for the resistor value
[0:30] <niston> gives me 34 ohms
[0:30] <arrakian> http://www.ebay.com/itm/48LED-5-Infrared-IR-Lamp-60-Degrees-Camera-Board-Bulb-For-CCTV-Security-Camera-/330827185511?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d06d63d67
[0:31] <niston> ah
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[0:32] <niston> unfortunately that has absolutely no info on operating voltage (or I can't find it on the page)
[0:32] <arrakian> its 12V, there is million of those on ebay with and without housing
[0:32] <arrakian> they all go for 12V
[0:33] <niston> so then
[0:33] <niston> here's a suggestion
[0:33] <niston> use a 12V battery instaed of 5V
[0:33] <niston> and use a buck converter to power the pi with 5V from that 12V battery
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[0:34] <niston> this will work very well to power a Pi from 12V: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__4319__TURNIGY_3A_UBEC_w_Noise_Reduction.html
[0:34] <niston> so then you could hook the IR lamp straight to the 12V
[0:34] <niston> and have the Pi's 5V supply from that UBEC component
[0:36] <arrakian> that CCTV light is complicating my life... I had a nice plan to power all up from 5V power bank with solar panel
[0:38] <niston> well, by using a boost converter you could produce 12V from a 5V supply
[0:38] <niston> but this will draw quite some current on the 5V side I guess
[0:38] <niston> here is an example http://www.ebay.com/itm/30W-DC-5V-to-12V-Step-Up-Boost-Power-Converter-for-LED-Motor-USB-Solar-Charger-/261440016034?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdf0a0ea2
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[0:47] <arrakian> niston, this is a good solution for secondary battery pack
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[0:50] <niston> yup
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[0:52] <arrakian> connected to breadboard and PIR sensor it might even last whole night
[0:54] <niston> yeah. just keep the 30W limit in mind for that particular board
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[0:54] <niston> at 12 volts this means 2.5 amps max
[0:55] <niston> while at 5V it will suck more than 5 amps
[0:56] <arrakian> battery bank has 2 amps rated output
[0:56] <niston> 5 volt battery?
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[0:57] <niston> 5 volts * 2 amps = 10 watts
[0:57] <niston> really depends on the IR lamp you're using
[0:58] <niston> it shouldn't eat more than 0.8 amps at 12v then
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[0:59] <arrakian> i've got usb meter so i will check that when arrives...
[0:59] <niston> alright
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[0:59] <arrakian> just in case not to burn something
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[1:04] <arrakian> niston, i just found this Powered by DC 12V 500mA adaptor on one of cctv led iluminators
[1:04] <arrakian> http://www.ebay.com/itm/48-LED-Illuminator-IR-Infrared-Night-Vision-Light-Lamp-For-CCTV-Camera-SC-/251754211201?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9db86781
[1:04] <niston> that could work
[1:06] <arrakian> so its pretty much not sucking a lot
[1:07] <niston> nope
[1:07] <niston> 0.5 amps at 12V should be no problem for the 10W/5V battery pack and the 30W step up converter
[1:08] <arrakian> i've bought 4 18650 3,7V 4000mah for that battery bank
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[1:18] <niston> what are you building this camera for?
[1:18] <niston> observing wildlife?
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[1:22] <arrakian> niston, yep
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[1:29] <echelon> what happened to those raspberry pi units minus the hdmi, av out, and usb ports
[1:30] <echelon> for building super computers
[1:30] <ozzzy> go for it... the parts come off
[1:31] <echelon> they were supposed to start selling them that way
[1:31] <echelon> oh and minus ethernet port
[1:31] <ozzzy> I don't think that the pi's GPU is fast enough to build supercomputers....
[1:31] <echelon> unless you have them in a series
[1:31] <ozzzy> how do they talk without the ethernet
[1:32] <ozzzy> you'd need millions in parallel to come up to the speed of the modern supercomputers
[1:32] <echelon> they're connected on a single board
[1:32] <ozzzy> how
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[1:32] <echelon> look, i don't want to hear about theory, i saw the units on raspberry pi's website
[1:32] <echelon> last year
[1:32] <ozzzy> [shrug]
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[1:35] <ozzzy> you thinking of the 'compute modules' that fit in a sodim slot
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[1:40] <gorideyourbike> anyone have exp with the pitft kernal? trying to configure/set up my pi via HDMI output but my pi keeps freezing on boot
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[1:47] <v0latil3> pksato, okay i got the led wokring from the gpio
[1:47] <v0latil3> im not sure about the pin numbers so im checking
[1:48] <v0latil3> i have one gpio blink at a really high constant rate when i run the program
[1:48] <v0latil3> that shuold be the clock pin based on what number i have it
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[1:54] <v0latil3> oh the bus buffer isnt working
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[2:01] <echelon> ozzzy: yeah those
[2:01] <echelon> so what's wrong with em?
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[2:08] <ozzzy> echelon, dunno... guess they never sold
[2:09] <echelon> hmm
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[2:13] <plugwash> The compute module is still arround and I belive it's selling pretty ok, it just doesn't get much public exposure because of the market it's aimed at (embedding in other products)
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[2:20] <ozzzy> well... I think I'm out of the RPi business... this one obviously has some issues and I can't justify buying another
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[2:53] <anunnaki> is a 8gb sd card big enough for the rpi to install raspbian on and possibly another os for dual booting?
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[2:55] <darkdrgn2k3> hi all
[2:56] <darkdrgn2k3> whats the most common rasb os?
[2:56] <darkdrgn2k3> raspbain?
[2:56] <willmore> Has anyone seen better info on the new Pi than this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
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[2:57] <willmore> The BCM2836 mentioned turns up nothing but that article
[2:58] <u-ou> nothing on raspberrypi.org?
[2:58] <willmore> quad core 900MHz? That sounds odd. Which core? Please not ARM11...
[2:58] <willmore> u-ou, not that I saw.
[2:58] <u-ou> I just bought another B+ :(
[2:59] <u-ou> wtf
[2:59] <willmore> Good!
[2:59] <u-ou> i'm seeing "raspberry pi 2 targeted for 2017"
[2:59] <u-ou> on google
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[3:00] <darkdrgn2k3> is there a "minimal" install for rasbpbain?
[3:01] <tenseiten> willmore: chances are, it's not finalized yet and is fairly early on in dev, so they haven't made an official statement
[3:01] <tenseiten> darkdrgn2k3: pick your poison: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
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[3:03] <willmore> seitensei, the board says 2014--that's, like, a year ago. :)
[3:03] <seitensei> willmore: i don't think that's unusual at all
[3:03] * willmore mumbles *joke*
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[3:04] <HoloPed> is there a new PI coming ?
[3:04] <HoloPed> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
[3:04] <seitensei> HoloPed: nothing through official channels so far
[3:04] <willmore> HoloPed, you're late
[3:04] <HoloPed> sorry
[3:04] <HoloPed> I'll try harder next time
[3:04] <willmore> :)
[3:04] <seitensei> Oddly enough, article says that it's already going on sale
[3:05] <willmore> Yep.
[3:05] <willmore> The register is usually on their game--especially for UK stuff.
[3:05] <seitensei> Chances are, if it's already 'on sale', it's probably on sale to resellers/distributors
[3:05] <darkdrgn2k3> tenseiten: is ther a "standrd" for newbies..
[3:05] <seitensei> Might wait for those places to stock up, before announcing
[3:06] * seitensei knows seitensei is going to order one as soon as possible
[3:07] <willmore> The photo doesn't look like a 'shop of the B+--lots of parts moved around, etc.
[3:09] <willmore> The power circuitry is a tad different as is the decoupling on the USB ports and hub chip. The U5 regulator is different, but the TRS/camera/HDMI part of the board looks exactly the same.
[3:12] <seitensei> Makes it a fairly seamless upgrade, since the hats and cases will still work
[3:12] <seitensei> which is nice
[3:15] <willmore> Also, might be a B+ prototype that's been misreported.
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[3:16] <seitensei> willmore: It's only 2AM in the UK now, so we'll see if it pops up later in the day
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[3:18] <willmore> seitensei, yeah, could be. Hmmm, I don't know if the B+ proto stuff makes sense. There's no way to move memory from PoP to through-board.
[3:18] <pksato> ah... is no PoP? Broadcom label on top of cpi cip.
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[3:19] <seitensei> willmore: Honestly, if they can pack the quad-core + 1GB and still meet $35, I don't know why they'd decide to release with the same board specs as the B
[3:19] <seitensei> other than maybe supply issues
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[3:23] <willmore> pksato, https://i.imgur.com/QFGsqJi.jpg
[3:23] <willmore> Also.
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[3:23] <willmore> https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/2tvcsp/new_raspberry_pi_2_spotted_in_the_wild_release/
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[3:25] <willmore> seitensei, well, you can or there wouldn't be a C1, right?
[3:26] * ukgamer is now known as ukgamer|away
[3:27] <seitensei> lol
[3:28] <willmore> The register article quotes Eben that it's because there are people still buying the B because of form factor issues.
[3:28] <willmore> I guess.
[3:29] <willmore> With the new + models (and this ver 2 board) they've moved to a new port layout and they've kept it consistant.
[3:29] <willmore> If they get rid of any board, I'd suggest it be the B+, not the B.
[3:29] <seitensei> They've also assigned as standard for attachments
[3:29] <seitensei> *a standard
[3:29] <willmore> Yep.
[3:29] <seitensei> So they're not going to make changes that mess up or violate that standard
[3:30] <willmore> Yep.
[3:30] <seitensei> If anything, I'd say that the B+ was a prototype of the 2
[3:30] <willmore> Proof of concept, maybe.
[3:30] <willmore> Parallel projects?
[3:31] <seitensei> Admittedly, I'd still prefer if they put ethernet on that isn't tied to USB
[3:31] <seitensei> That's probably the only aspect of the Pi that I don't like
[3:31] <willmore> The changes between the B and B+ are only pains is you don't intend to stick with the new I/O layout. If you intend to do that, then the work for the B+ (if kept in later models) isn't all that much.
[3:32] <willmore> Yeah, I can understand that.
[3:32] <willmore> For me, it's the (useless to me) camera and display connectors.
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[3:32] <willmore> I'm all "the heck with those specialized I/O, give me more GPIO!"
[3:33] <willmore> But, I'm not the target audience and I'm fine with that.
[3:33] <seitensei> Pi's a fun toy for me
[3:34] <seitensei> but honestly, I'd probably use the beaglebone for a project that depends heavily on network
[3:34] <willmore> Or a C1.
[3:35] <seitensei> I'd consider a C1 if it was easier to obtain
[3:35] <seitensei> but I can get Pi's and the BeagleBone via Element14
[3:35] <willmore> NewEgg.
[3:35] <willmore> Free shipping.
[3:35] <willmore> Hard to say no to that.
[3:35] <seitensei> I don't use newegg :x
[3:35] <willmore> Personal reason?
[3:36] <seitensei> Selection
[3:36] <willmore> Ahh, I use them for sales. If it's something I need/want and it's the right price, fine. I don't use them as a 'preferred vendor' by any means.
[3:37] <seitensei> That being said, honestly, I just get most of my components from my university's inventory room
[3:37] <seitensei> lol
[3:37] <willmore> Must be nice. ;)
[3:37] <seitensei> That's the great thing about being a Computer Engineering minor
[3:37] <seitensei> you're still an engineering student
[3:37] * plugwash wishes his university's component stores had a decent selection
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[3:38] * willmore always had better parts than the school.
[3:38] <plugwash> I mean it's ok for the really basic stuff like through hole resistors and connectors that have been arround for donkey's years but they have literally zero surface mount stuff in inventory :(
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[3:39] <seitensei> We even have 8085's and Z80's
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[3:40] <willmore> COP1802?
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[3:41] <willmore> Later, folks.
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[3:46] <niston> wondering
[3:46] <niston> will there be an updated CM ?
[3:47] <niston> hopefully, and pin-compatible too
[3:47] <niston> ooo the joy!
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[3:48] <steve_rox> a new rpi version released how random
[3:51] <niston> element14 in .ch doesn't carry it yet
[3:52] <steve_rox> not sure if its something to get exsited over or not
[3:53] <niston> the elreg article says it went on sales today
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[3:54] <steve_rox> yea
[3:54] <niston> and it isn't april 1st so..
[3:55] <steve_rox> i also speculated on that too
[3:55] <steve_rox> so what im getting is that its a 4 core with 1gb ram?
[3:56] <niston> BCM2836 it says, yes
[3:56] <steve_rox> and i think thats it
[3:56] <steve_rox> wonder if more cores/speed means it may actually need some cooling heatsink
[3:57] <niston> doubt it
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[3:57] <steve_rox> i dont think this news is even on the rpi website
[3:57] <niston> I gather that heatsinks are philosophical thing with the RPF :)
[3:57] <steve_rox> heh
[3:59] <steve_rox> almost interesting to get one to see how it runs progs that have been slow in the past
[4:00] <steve_rox> but im guessing if they are not compiled for multi thread use it prob no difference
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[4:02] <steve_rox> got my rpi displaying outside temp at moment -1.125'c
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[4:08] <niston> <willmore> Also, might be a B+ prototype that's been misreported. <- http://regmedia.co.uk/2015/01/30/kati_pi_2.jpg
[4:08] <niston> then they have also misprinted the box :)
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[4:08] <niston> or its all fake and photoshopped and just a joke
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[4:09] <steve_rox> fun
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[4:25] <seitensei> niston steve_rox: It's 3AM in the UK, so of course you won't hear about it
[4:25] <seitensei> I'm expecting that any info will show up in at least 7 hours
[4:27] <niston> well I expect it to be true
[4:27] <ShorTie> eben said no new pi till 2017
[4:27] <niston> ElReg is usually not posting BS
[4:27] <niston> but we'll see ^^
[4:28] <ShorTie> that picture looks like a B+ to me
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[4:32] <seitensei> ShorTie: Stuff has been moved around, plus the broadcom chip is visible on the top, where the dram used to be
[4:32] <phire> embedded ram?
[4:32] <phire> or is it on the otherside of the board?
[4:33] <seitensei> Plus, looking like a B+ is probably due to the fact that the specs for form factor have been somewhat standardized
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[4:33] <seitensei> phire: yep, ram is on the bottom of board in that RPi2
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[4:34] <phire> under all those caps?
[4:34] <phire> is network still hanging off usb?
[4:34] <phire> have they improved the usb controller?
[4:36] <niston> pure guesswork but: yes / no
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[4:38] <seitensei> phire: only change is CPU and memory
[4:39] <phire> usb controller was in the soc
[4:39] <seitensei> ethernet still on usb
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[4:39] <seitensei> phire: bcm2836 is only one number increment, so I'm assuming only change is more ram and more cores
[4:40] <seitensei> more cache too i think
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[4:40] <phire> they had to change the entire memory architecture
[4:40] <niston> USB 3.0 would be cool but I have no hopes there
[4:40] <phire> it was limited to 512gb
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[4:41] <seitensei> I don't think USB was improved at all
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[4:42] <phire> I'd be surprised if they didn't improve it
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[4:42] <phire> they were really disappointed with the performance of the old IP core.
[4:42] <phire> And there will be a number of GPU bugs that they would have fixed
[4:43] <seitensei> Not in a meaningful way, at least
[4:43] <ShorTie> interesting, but who knows http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
[4:43] <seitensei> Still going to be looking at one USB bus running 4 ports + ethernet
[4:43] <seitensei> but we'll see later today
[4:43] <seitensei> if nothing comes up within the next few days, could be looking at a hoax or prank
[4:44] <phire> see the errata at the end of this doc: http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf
[4:45] <phire> some of the bugs were already fixed in the BCM21553
[4:45] <phire> I doubt they would go backwards and unfix them
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[4:46] <phire> Also the GPU desperately needed a IO-MMU
[4:47] <phire> I'd be supprised if they didn't add that in while they were redoing the memory subsystem
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[5:12] <qubitnerd> ooh .. new pi \o/
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[5:14] <ozonejunkie> anyone got an e14 part number for it yet?
[5:15] <phire> why do I get the feeling that the register jumped the gun on releasing that article by a few hours?
[5:17] <niston> might be part of the marketing strategy ;)
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[5:19] <Milhouse> Looks like The Reg went early with the news announcement. The BCM2836 in the Pi2 has four Cortex-A7 cores.
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[5:24] <Xark> Sounds exactly like the Register. :)
[5:24] <Milhouse> Yeah, bit of a shame.
[5:24] <Milhouse> Plus the article lacks any real detail, causing more confusion.
[5:25] <Xark> Yeah. I was a bit surprised to see a official forum thread (with this link -> http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-2-model-b )
[5:25] <Xark> an*
[5:25] <Milhouse> The announcement will be later today, probably 9am
[5:25] <Milhouse> UK time
[5:26] <Milhouse> The Reg waited until 00:01 to post their piss poor article. Twats.
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[5:26] <phire> I assume there was an embargo
[5:26] <Milhouse> Yep
[5:27] <phire> but a disagreement (or lack of definement) of the time of that embargo
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[5:27] <Milhouse> Obviously it only said until "2 Feb" not "9am 2 Feb", or "Wait until we've announced it officially first so that you click baiting scum bags don't confuse the hell out of everyone with your content light articles"
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[5:45] <Xark> Some conflicting info on the BCM2836 CPU. Quad core, but some report it as still ARM6 and others say it is Cortex-A7 (I sure hope it has NEON etc. like a "real" ARM). I guess have to wait for the real info...
[5:47] <seitensei> I highly doubt that it's Cortex-A7
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[5:48] <seitensei> if the register article is accurate (assuming that they broke a press embargo), then it's ARM11, still ARMv6
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[5:48] <Xark> seitensei: Yeah. BCM2835->BCM2836 sounds like about as minimal an upgrade as possible. :)
[5:49] <seitensei> Sounds like the major notable changes are going to be that bump in memory and processing power
[5:49] <seitensei> maybe a bump in power consumption
[5:49] <seitensei> which is why they might still run the B+ model along side it
[5:49] <Xark> http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/02/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/ claims Cortex-A7 but I did read the Reg quote (and my gut tells me not modern ARM).
[5:50] <qubitnerd> its more expenisve too
[5:51] <qubitnerd> wait piasutralia sells b+ at 55 AUD
[5:51] <seitensei> If they're still aiming at maintaining the price, Cortex-A7 is unlikely
[5:51] <qubitnerd> thats about 42 usd
[5:51] <seitensei> E14 sells the B+ for 40USD
[5:52] <qubitnerd> B2 could be around that much too
[5:52] <qubitnerd> there isnt anything on the foundations page / blog yet
[5:52] <seitensei> Give it 6 or so hours before they even wake up
[5:53] <seitensei> I expect that they'll be maintaining the price
[5:53] <qubitnerd> lol .. yeah
[5:53] <Milhouse> It *IS* Cortex A7
[5:53] <qubitnerd> :O
[5:54] <Milhouse> Pi2 /proc/cpuinfo if you're still not convinced... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zNxgHtdA (not latest Raspbian build)
[5:54] <seitensei> Milhouse: Source?
[5:55] <Milhouse> The Pi2 sitting about 2 feet from em
[5:55] <Milhouse> me
[5:55] <seitensei> owo
[5:55] <seitensei> So the register is bonkers
[5:55] <Milhouse> Not really, just short on detail
[5:55] <seitensei> since they're quoting Upton saying that it's an ARM11
[5:55] <Xark> Milhouse: Awesome, I'll take it. :)
[5:55] <Milhouse> Not sure they are, just badly worded
[5:55] <seitensei> Or at least making it look like they're quoting him saying so
[5:56] <seitensei> seeing as the BCM is added in brackets
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[5:56] <Xark> seitensei: Yeah, it was a confusing quote, but leaves some wiggle room. This would also explain 3x faster per core.
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[5:56] <Milhouse> Oh I see "I don't think those synthetic benchmarks punish the [BCM2836's] ARM11 hard enough." - yeah, that's total bullshit
[5:57] <ssvb> Milhouse: having NEON instructions support this time around is good
[5:57] <Milhouse> Yes, OpenELEC will be using them
[6:02] <ssvb> however something with Cortex-A53 would have been much better, I hope that at least a few inexpensive devboards with 64-bit ARM processors may show up later this year :)
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[6:05] <qubitnerd> Milhouse: you have a pi2 already ?
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[6:07] <Milhouse> yes
[6:07] <Milhouse> Been testing it since early Jan
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[6:08] <qubitnerd> oh .. you work at the foundation ?
[6:09] <Milhouse> No, just part of the community
[6:09] <Milhouse> I produce builds of OpenELEC, and was asked if I wanted to help with testing
[6:09] <qubitnerd> mhm ..
[6:09] <qubitnerd> nice
[6:09] <Milhouse> It was a pleasant surprise
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[6:23] <Lokathor> is there a general tutorial for configuring how a raspberry pi connects to a display device?
[6:24] <pepee> http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/02/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/ http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zNxgHtdA
[6:24] <pepee> man, this is awesome
[6:25] <Lokathor> poop, i got my pi like 1 month ago, and now there's a better version
[6:25] <pepee> too bad the dollar is rising in my country :/
[6:27] <Lokathor> says it's the same price as before
[6:27] <Lokathor> so not so bad
[6:27] <pepee> yeah
[6:27] <pepee> 1 GB of RAM
[6:28] <Lokathor> well i'll have to wait and see if it can run emulators better
[6:28] <Lokathor> probably
[6:28] <Lokathor> if so, i could justify getting another
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[6:29] <pepee> 4 USB ports according to the pics
[6:29] <pepee> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
[6:29] <Lokathor> the current B+ has that as well
[6:29] <Haxxa> ARM 11 boo!
[6:29] <Haxxa> no ubuntu
[6:29] <pepee> it isn't ARM 11
[6:30] <pepee> that article from the register is misleading
[6:30] <Haxxa> what is it?
[6:30] <Lokathor> wouldn't raspbian be able to be converted to run on the rpi2
[6:30] <Haxxa> I would rather ubuntu
[6:30] <pepee> Haxxa, http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/02/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/ http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zNxgHtdA
[6:31] <pepee> and the comments says it is software compatible
[6:32] <Lokathor> so i hooked my rpi up to my TV for the first time today, and it displayed slightly off the edges of the screen
[6:32] <Lokathor> and the video was a little fuzzy
[6:32] <Lokathor> is that sort of thing normal until you set all the right video settings?
[6:33] <Lokathor> i confess that i have not configured an X server since 2007 or so
[6:33] <qubitnerd> you can use xrandr to set the resolution
[6:34] <qubitnerd> i think you can tweak resolution in config.txt too
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[6:35] <Milhouse> if it was off the screen, you may need to adjust the TV to use "Full Size" or "one-to-one pixel" settings - your TV is resizing the image. Find the setting in your TV menu.
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[6:37] <u-ou> so when is this rpi 2 out?
[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> What should I do with this broken Pi?
[6:38] <u-ou> what's wrong with it
[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> I want to send it off to a better place
[6:38] <Milhouse> u-ou: Goes on sale today
[6:38] <u-ou> oh wow
[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> u-ou, a mercury temperature switch exploded and shorted out thing on the board
[6:39] <u-ou> evil_dan2wik :|
[6:39] <u-ou> how
[6:39] <evil_dan2wik> idk
[6:39] <evil_dan2wik> got too hot I guess
[6:39] <u-ou> what were you doing with it
[6:39] <evil_dan2wik> gas heating controller for the camper van
[6:40] <u-ou> ohhhh
[6:40] <u-ou> this is beginning to make sense :P
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[6:41] <evil_dan2wik> I think I put it too close to where the flame is and it exploded from pressure
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[6:42] <evil_dan2wik> but the main chip has a small hole in it now and the regulator fell off
[6:42] <niston> lol
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[6:42] <niston> be careful mercury vapour is not exactly healthy
[6:43] <Milhouse> The Register have updated their article... obviously got my email. :)
[6:44] <evil_dan2wik> probably going to die of lead poisoning before mercury vapour
[6:44] <Haxxa> So anyone can compare this to odroid c1
[6:44] <FrankD> compare what to the C1?
[6:44] <evil_dan2wik> I have lead embeded in my finger from soldering that I need removed
[6:45] <Milhouse> I suspect they'd be broadly similar, to be honest. Just that the Pi2 has better software support, unless you want Android. And I'm sure Ubuntu will be ported eventually (until then, there's Raspbian).
[6:45] <FrankD> a pi? hardware wise? no contest, the C1 does everything the Pi does, but better :P
[6:45] <Milhouse> The C1 has a weaker (but higher clocked) CPU
[6:45] <FrankD> (I have 5 'pis sitting on my desk along with a C1)
[6:46] <FrankD> Milhouse, weaker?
[6:46] <Milhouse> FrankD: Pi2
[6:46] <pepee> btw, is the RPi2 still using the same GPU?
[6:46] <Milhouse> Catch up. :)
[6:46] <FrankD> ah I haven't seen anything about a Pi2
[6:46] <FrankD> linkage?
[6:46] <Milhouse> pepee: Yes, exact same GPU (VideoCore IV)
[6:46] <Milhouse> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
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[6:46] <Haxxa> new raspbery pi b v2 to odroid c1 in specs and perfomance
[6:46] <evil_dan2wik> does the Pi2 have a PCI-E lane?
[6:46] <pepee> I suggest giving people the other links instead
[6:46] <pepee> FrankD, http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/02/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/ http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zNxgHtdA
[6:47] <Haxxa> pepee is right
[6:47] <Milhouse> evil_dan2wik: Err no.
[6:47] <pepee> lol
[6:47] <Haxxa> misinformation propergates fast
[6:47] <Milhouse> The Reg have clarified their details
[6:47] <Milhouse> (Updated their article)
[6:47] <evil_dan2wik> Milhouse, why not?
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[6:48] <Milhouse> Why?
[6:48] <evil_dan2wik> a PCI-E x1 slot is pretty small, you can add almost anything to it, from studio quality audio cards t
[6:48] <FrankD> Haxxa, C1 has GigE
[6:48] <evil_dan2wik> o graphics cards, to USB 3.0
[6:48] <FrankD> (itll only do about 400-500mbit, but still better than 100mbit)
[6:48] <Haxxa> FrankD except it is currently broken
[6:48] <FrankD> Haxxa, clarify
[6:48] <Milhouse> The B+ never had it, the Pi2 is compatible with the B+. They're not changing the form factor, or adding any new features.
[6:48] <FrankD> because #odroid disagrees, and so does my C1 working at gigabit :p
[6:48] <Milhouse> You can saturate the 100Mbit network link easily with the Pi2
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[6:49] <Haxxa> FrankD only 10/100 works at the moment with current software on most switches and routers
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[6:49] <Milhouse> Previously the Pi1 would top out about 80%
[6:49] <Haxxa> FrankD on N56U (Asus) Router and DLink Switch it doesn't work
[6:49] <FrankD> Haxxa, not according to #odroid.. they were just talking about that, and said the issue has been fixed
[6:49] <FrankD> but
[6:50] <FrankD> i use Cisco gigabit switches mostly
[6:50] <pepee> you got a Pi2, Milhouse ?
[6:50] <Haxxa> FrankD also HDMI CEC is broken
[6:50] <FrankD> (real Cisco, like 3560G)
[6:50] <Haxxa> and its unfixable
[6:50] <Milhouse> pepee: yes
[6:50] <pepee> I see you are the kodi dev that posted that info
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[6:50] <Haxxa> FrankD and mpeg2 decoding is broken
[6:50] <FrankD> but my C1 is currently plugged into a Dell 5224 (they were cheap)
[6:50] <Haxxa> many issues in fact
[6:50] <FrankD> i didnt say it has no issues
[6:50] <FrankD> i said it has GigE
[6:51] <Haxxa> I understand but really in its current state its quite broke
[6:51] <Haxxa> but yes a gigabyte ethernet
[6:51] <FrankD> works well enough for me as a thin client :P
[6:51] <Haxxa> *has
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[6:51] <pepee> guess this SoC can also run android 4 then
[6:51] <Haxxa> raspberry pi works well enought too
[6:52] <FrankD> i monitor my VMs through it, IRC on it, and anything else gets run on a server displaying on the C1
[6:52] <Haxxa> pepee old soc could
[6:52] <Haxxa> broardcom prevented development though
[6:52] <pepee> ah
[6:52] <pepee> don't you need neon for that?
[6:52] <FrankD> yeah because it wouldve been miserable
[6:52] <Haxxa> infact there is a video with broadcom employee running android on pi
[6:53] <FrankD> even my Pis at 50% OC are barely usable as thin clients, peg the CPU just redrawing the screen :P
[6:53] <pepee> android 4 has higher HW requirements than android < 4
[6:54] <FrankD> i need something faster
[6:54] <FrankD> anyone have any recommendations for faster boards?
[6:54] <FrankD> I was just about to pull the trigger on an XU3Lite
[6:54] <Milhouse> Why not wait for feedback on the Pi2?
[6:54] <pepee> the Pi2 is at least 3x faster than the Pi1
[6:54] <Haxxa> FrankD mac pro
[6:55] <Haxxa> best config is faster
[6:55] <pepee> read elregs article
[6:55] <pepee> 3x each core...
[6:56] <FrankD> Haxxa, cute, I'm looking at sub 25w, tiny package, and sub $250
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[6:56] <Haxxa> FrankD seriosly chromebox
[6:57] <Haxxa> hp or asus model both $199 and use x86 probally sub 25w and fairly small
[6:57] <FrankD> they easy to swap OS' on?
[6:57] <Haxxa> main advantage is large amount of x86 packages
[6:57] <Haxxa> FrankD yes very easy
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[6:57] <Haxxa> like installing on normal computer us live usb and dual boot or boot ubuntu entirly instead
[6:58] <FrankD> hmmm
[6:58] <FrankD> that is appealing, i did want an ARM to play with
[6:58] <Haxxa> just unlock bootloader it takes like 1 min
[6:58] <FrankD> but i have a bunch, dont necessarily need a fast one :P
[6:58] <Haxxa> x86 haswell can be just as light
[6:58] <Haxxa> but leverage power when needed
[6:59] <FrankD> especially since it should just idle pretty much always
[6:59] <Haxxa> so sleep
[6:59] <Haxxa> and wol
[6:59] <pepee> Milhouse, have you used the open-source broadcom(?) graphics driver?
[6:59] <FrankD> nah no sleep for this application
[6:59] <Haxxa> it wake up time is really fast
[6:59] <Haxxa> fe
[6:59] <FrankD> i need it always on :P
[6:59] <FrankD> hence the power concern
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[7:00] <Haxxa> its best value in any case but maybe not for your application needs
[7:00] <FrankD> granted im already using a consistent 2000w in my rack
[7:00] <FrankD> yea no the $/performance is awesome, and its a good idea
[7:00] <FrankD> and perf/watt is awesome
[7:00] <Haxxa> wow jealous as a student with a raspberry pi as only server
[7:01] <FrankD> heh im using two DL580 G5s, old and they suck power
[7:01] <FrankD> they had 128GB of RAM in them, i had to take 96GB out of each one so they werent as bad
[7:01] <pepee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYxODQ
[7:01] <FrankD> DDR2 FBDIMMs eat power
[7:01] <FrankD> like 10w/stick
[7:02] <Haxxa> used for what exsactly?
[7:02] <FrankD> VM servers, i was going to use one with 128GB of RAM as a SAN.. ZFS/iSCSI combo
[7:02] <FrankD> but FreeBSD wouldnt boot on it, it didnt like something
[7:02] <FrankD> OpenSolaris worked, but didnt support my 10GbE cards
[7:02] <FrankD> Linux worked, but ZFS on Linux is shit
[7:03] <Haxxa> I never used nas server for vm never got the appeal always just ran on native os
[7:03] <FrankD> so i wound up using my dual opteron 4284 w/ 32GB of RAM as the storage server
[7:03] <Haxxa> maybe I am doing it wrong
[7:03] <FrankD> well i have a DAS array (25x2.5" HP MSA 70) and a primary/backup VM server
[7:03] <Haxxa> vm is easy to seperate things
[7:03] <Haxxa> but overhead losses to me aren't worth it
[7:03] <FrankD> so it was time to keep storage separate
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[7:04] <Haxxa> fair enough
[7:04] <FrankD> i just wish I had more RAM
[7:04] <FrankD> (in the ZFS server)
[7:04] <Haxxa> i have 256mb
[7:04] <Haxxa> :(
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[7:06] <FrankD> trust me your life is better than mine aside from computer hardware :p
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[7:08] <evil_dan2wik> Can ethernet be used without the transformer thing?
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[7:09] <evil_dan2wik> can it be used directly over very short distances such as 5cm from chip to chip?
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[7:11] <pepee> http://anholt.livejournal.com/ http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/
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[7:18] <niston> evil_dan2wik: there's backplane ethernet yes
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[7:22] <evil_dan2wik> niston, what is that?
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[7:23] <niston> 802.3ap
[7:23] <niston> ethernet designed to be used on PCBs
[7:25] <evil_dan2wik> niston, can it be used with a standard NIC?
[7:25] <niston> nope
[7:25] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[7:25] <evil_dan2wik> then wtf is eth0 on this chip
[7:25] <pepee> man, the elreg article spread a lot of misinfomation already
[7:25] <niston> what chip?
[7:25] <evil_dan2wik> um
[7:25] <evil_dan2wik> I forgot, let me boot it up
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[7:26] <evil_dan2wik> its a wifi chip or some sorts
[7:27] <Milhouse> Oh dear, the Raspberry Pi Forum seems to be taking a break...
[7:30] <Milhouse> Back again.
[7:30] <Milhouse> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8326274/
[7:30] <Milhouse> Although I prefer to buy from CPC Farnell.
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[7:31] <evil_dan2wik> niston, AR9342
[7:32] <niston> atheros chip?
[7:32] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[7:32] <niston> there should be an ath0
[7:32] <niston> no wait
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[7:33] <niston> hmm. yes. its a wireless chip.
[7:34] <evil_dan2wik> yes, it is
[7:34] <niston> does it have both ath0 and eth0 or just eth0 ?
[7:34] <evil_dan2wik> eth0, br-lan, lo, wlan0, wlan0.sta1
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[7:35] <evil_dan2wik> the chip on the other end of eth0 is unknown because neither chip has markings on it, but I can read out the CPU type from inside the one that is working.
[7:36] <evil_dan2wik> but it is most likely atheros too since all the other chips have been so far
[7:36] <niston> perhaps its an SGMII interface
[7:36] <niston> dunno cant find a datasheet
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[7:38] <niston> what is this board? wireless router?
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[7:38] <evil_dan2wik> Wireless camera
[7:38] <niston> ah
[7:39] <niston> so the eth0 is not on that AR9342
[7:39] <niston> could be a 3 port switch
[7:40] <evil_dan2wik> eth0 is listed on the AR9342
[7:40] <niston> beats me then
[7:42] <evil_dan2wik> the main issue is that the video stream server is the chip connected to the other side of eth0. I can replace it with a Pi or something if I knew how to connect it to the AR9342.
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[7:44] <evil_dan2wik> the video stream server isn't responding to ethernet, it isn't running commands off the SD card and jtag doesn't respond
[7:45] <niston> ahmm
[7:45] <niston> its a SoC
[7:45] <niston> apparently
[7:45] <niston> that has built in 802.11n wlan
[7:45] <evil_dan2wik> yes, they all run busybox
[7:46] <evil_dan2wik> niston, PCI-e host? could the eth0 be a device connecting as an ethernet NIC through the PCI-E?
[7:46] <niston> unlikely
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[7:47] <niston> it could be an SGMII interface
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[7:52] <niston> hmm
[7:52] <niston> "hat is what the AR9344 on-chip switch has to attach to."
[7:52] <niston> so at least the 9344 has an on chip switch
[7:52] <niston> but I can't find any info about the PHY attachment
[7:54] <niston> interesting https://www.codeaurora.org/patches/external/qca/qsdk-base-1.0.112.patch
[7:54] <niston> search for "SOC_AR9344:" in that document
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[7:55] <evil_dan2wik> it could be any one of those 4?
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[7:59] <niston> should be GMII or SGMII (since it support GigE), but can't find definitive info
[7:59] <niston> however neither of these won't be easy to interface to a Pi
[8:00] <niston> you'd need an USB MAC
[8:00] <evil_dan2wik> well, the Pi would be temporary
[8:00] <evil_dan2wik> because there are weight restrictions, it is the camera from a quad copter
[8:00] <niston> USB ethernet chip that has no built in PHY but instead GMII/SGMII
[8:00] <niston> dunno if such thing even exists
[8:01] <evil_dan2wik> the AR9342 has a USB host which has the storage controller for the SD card connected to it
[8:01] <evil_dan2wik> I could cut it and put a hub in it
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[8:03] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
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[8:05] <evil_dan2wik> This would be much easier if the chips had labels or the hardware was open source
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[9:43] <Stanto> Ohh new raspberry pi 2: http://ow.ly/IjYJM
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[9:50] <ShorTie> live stream of introduction http://www.element14.com/community/community/news#livestream
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[9:57] <mdev> congrats guys!
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[9:57] <mdev> "The Raspberry Pi Foundation is likely to provoke a global geekgasm today with the surprise release of the Raspberry Pi 2 Model B: a turbocharged version of the B+ boasting a new Broadcom BCM2836 900MHz quad-core system-on-chip with 1GB of RAM – all of which will drive performance "at least 6x" that of the B+."
[9:57] <mdev> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/raspberry_pi_model_2/
[9:58] <mdev> same price of $35 too, they said some will buy the older slower model probably
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[9:58] <mdev> even at same price because they're comfortable with it
[10:00] <ali1234> this raises many questions
[10:00] <mdev> such as?
[10:00] <ali1234> what is the power usage?
[10:01] <Myrtti> well It's officially now better than my first computer
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[10:01] <Myrtti> hell, it's even better than my second
[10:01] <ali1234> if it's higher, is it going to need a heat sink?
[10:01] <Stanto> ali1234, it's basically the same except for the RAM and processor.
[10:01] <ali1234> is the videocore hardware unchanged?
[10:01] <Stanto> believe so
[10:01] <Stanto> www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi2
[10:02] * ShorTie wonders, what is this effectation of heat sinks and the pi
[10:02] <mdev> someone on slashdot was hating on it saying "Why are they still shipping the same CPU core that was in the iPhone 2G? ARM is at least 3 generations ahead already. ARM11 doesn't have NEON (proper SIMD) instructions, so it's crap for multimedia processing (sure, they make it up for the usual codecs with their GPU core, but that doesn't help if you want to write your own code)."
[10:03] <mdev> so whatever, it's cheap, that's why
[10:03] <phire> it has 4x cortex A7s
[10:03] <ali1234> it isn't ARM11
[10:03] <mdev> iphones cost like 600
[10:03] <phire> Register is wrong
[10:03] <mdev> and that
[10:03] <ali1234> ARM11 is the original
[10:03] <ShorTie> speaking of phones, does your phone got any heat sinks ??
[10:03] <ali1234> all phones have heat sinks, yes
[10:03] <sdel> http://www.element14.com/community/community/news live announcement
[10:03] <mdev> double it ShoTie as my phone gets HOT if i game too long
[10:03] <ali1234> phire: register article has been fixed actually
[10:03] <mdev> I have a nexus 4
[10:04] <mdev> i've had it auto-reboot/shutdown if i ran flashlight too long
[10:04] <mdev> so my guess is just have the cpu shutdown if overheats is all mine has
[10:04] <mdev> not sure about iphones
[10:05] <ali1234> yes, all CPUs have thermal cut out since about 1997
[10:05] <ShorTie> that sounds more realilistic
[10:05] <ruben-ikmaak> the noobs 1.4 is not available, is there any news on that?
[10:06] <ShorTie> harbor freight is giving multimeters away again .. :)~
[10:06] <ruben-ikmaak> the board will arrive tomorrow, it would be bad not to have the sw
[10:06] <Milhouse> It's official: http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-2-on-sale/
[10:07] <ShorTie> why noobs, what is the matter with a straight os ??
[10:07] <ruben-ikmaak> do they have that then? i understood it needed new sw
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[10:08] <ruben-ikmaak> ow! noobs/new sw in the next few weeks!
[10:08] <ruben-ikmaak> lol, win10 free
[10:09] <ShorTie> i would think the regular image would work
[10:09] <ruben-ikmaak> id like to think so
[10:09] <ShorTie> just noobs needs an updating, for what ever reason
[10:10] <ruben-ikmaak> ok, good
[10:10] <ruben-ikmaak> lol, the presentation is a element14 advert
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[10:10] <ruben-ikmaak> explaining about their business model
[10:11] <ruben-ikmaak> exclusive element14 blabla :)
[10:11] <ShorTie> noobs just turns your sdcard into a cluster of unknown partitions, imho
[10:11] <ruben-ikmaak> ugh, she keeps blabbering "element14...." is she preprogrammed?
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[10:12] <ShorTie> business partner maybe why ??
[10:12] <64MABYOQF> All the cores.
[10:12] <64MABYOQF> What the hell is this nickname!?
[10:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm win10 :-(
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[10:12] <ruben-ikmaak> over to richard, explaining the EXCUSIVE element14 accessory program
[10:13] <ruben-ikmaak> come on!
[10:13] <Gadgetoid_> element14 like to waffle
[10:13] <Gadgetoid_> solutions, you gotta get solutions!
[10:13] <ruben-ikmaak> the ratio raspberry-element mention ratio is about 1:6
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[10:14] <Gadgetoid_> I don't think they understand their market
[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-2-on-sale/
[10:14] <Gadgetoid_> The one true link, man! http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-2-with-pibow
[10:14] <Gadgetoid_> *ducks*
[10:14] <ruben-ikmaak> i hope they also will make a raspberry only intro
[10:15] <Gadgetoid_> cat /proc/cpuinfo > ARMv7 Processor rev 5 (v71) :D
[10:15] <shiftplusone> hmm... actually, yeah I do need to purchase some stuff from pimoroni....
[10:15] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, <3
[10:15] <shiftplusone> feels odd ordering raspberry pis and accessories to pi towers from pimoroni >_<
[10:15] <ruben-ikmaak> im interested in the performance info between the odroid C1 and the pi2b+
[10:16] <ritek> wow, so the rpi2 IS real?
[10:16] <ritek> Wasn't supposed to be released until 2017?
[10:16] <ritek> I'm surprised and excited
[10:17] <ruben-ikmaak> 800mhz quad of the pi2b+, 1,5ghz quad of the C1
[10:17] <ali1234> now make a model A version...
[10:17] <ruben-ikmaak> ritek, they try to avoid the sinclair issues
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[10:19] <ritek> ruben-ikmaak: sinclair?
[10:19] <shiftplusone> you can't compare c1 to pi2 based on MHz
[10:19] <ruben-ikmaak> what is the latest news on the touchscreen?
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[10:19] <shiftplusone> one is an a5 (or whatever they have) another is an a7.
[10:19] <Gadgetoid_> Yeah but the c1 has wheels and is made of fiber glass!
[10:20] <ruben-ikmaak> shiftplusone: which results in?
[10:20] <ali1234> is it the same board as B+ then?
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[10:20] <shiftplusone> ruben-ikmaak, No idea, I don't have a C1.
[10:21] <ruben-ikmaak> ritek, read up on the downfall of sinclair computers
[10:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> my guess was the rpi2 was gong to be relased on year 4 - feb 29th but hey I was wrong ;-p
[10:21] <ruben-ikmaak> they are both ARMv7
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> and not 1Gb Nic but .... hey
[10:22] <Stanto> "<ruben-ikmaak> 800mhz quad of the pi2b+, 1,5ghz quad of the C1" 900mhz, pi2b :P
[10:22] <ruben-ikmaak> hmm, element says its 900mhz
[10:22] <shiftplusone> I'm sure someone is going to post some benchmarks soon enough.
[10:23] <Stanto> The Pi 2 speed is still being tweaked apparently.
[10:24] <ruben-ikmaak> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-73977/l/putting-the-new-raspberry-pi-2-to-the-test seems to be benchmarks, but its only for memebers.... bad
[10:25] <ruben-ikmaak> element14 is doing a lot to try to push me away
[10:25] <ruben-ikmaak> could some "element14 member" liberate the info?
[10:26] <ali1234> it's not about performance improvements, it's about everyone switching to ubuntu
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[10:27] <ruben-ikmaak> funny people there at el14, putting advertising behind a regwall
[10:27] <ShorTie> whats the matter with raspbian ??
[10:27] <ali1234> frankly everything?
[10:27] <ruben-ikmaak> ShorTie: they have a sales model in ubuntu snappy, and not in raspbian
[10:28] <ShorTie> little more specifics might be nice
[10:28] <ali1234> raspbian doesn't support atomic updates, is supported by one guy, doesn't get timely security fixes...
[10:28] <ali1234> i could go on
[10:28] <ruben-ikmaak> Ubu Snappy has a software app store, free for now, but prepared for more
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[10:29] <ShorTie> 'doesn't get timely security fixes' thats bullpucky
[10:29] <ruben-ikmaak> as the ubu ppl say: The WebDM will be branded by device manufacturers.
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[10:29] <ShorTie> they are in raspbian with in like 12 hour of Debian releasing them
[10:29] <ruben-ikmaak> see http://www.ubuntu.com/things#try-beaglebone
[10:29] <ali1234> ShorTie: that's not true at all
[10:30] <ShorTie> y 4 u say that ??
[10:30] <ali1234> for example, the ghost vulnerability last week. was fixed in debian and ubuntu within 2 hours of going public
[10:30] <ruben-ikmaak> so it seems raspberrypi wants to cross over to the dark side with ubu and win10
[10:30] <ali1234> a day later it still wasn't fixed in raspbian
[10:31] <shiftplusone> ruben-ikmaak, the windows stuff had nothing to do with raspberry pi. It wasn't something MS was asked to do.
[10:31] <ShorTie> not true i believe
[10:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ali1234 - that was wrong
[10:31] <ShorTie> ask plugwash when it was fixed
[10:32] <ShorTie> he patched up raspbian with in like hours of Debian releasing the fix
[10:32] <ruben-ikmaak> shiftplusone: For the last six months we’ve been working closely with Microsoft to bring the forthcoming Windows 10 to Raspberry Pi 2. Microsoft will have much more to share over the coming months. The Raspberry Pi 2-compatible version of Windows 10 will be available free of charge to makers.
[10:32] <ali1234> if by "hours" you mean 48 then yes
[10:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> I woould find the post is the site wasn't me;lyoing down
[10:32] <ruben-ikmaak> from raspiblog
[10:32] <shiftplusone> ruben-ikmaak, and? Of course they'd need help to make it happen.
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[10:33] <ruben-ikmaak> i hope MS paid a lot for that help, i dont need it, and distracting the team for that is bad
[10:33] <Gadgetoid_> Does the RPi.GPIO author hang out in here?
[10:33] <ShorTie> did you suffer any ill side effects with in those '48' ??
[10:34] <shiftplusone> I don't think so.
[10:34] <ruben-ikmaak> win10 is unneccesary crap cluttering the development of rpi
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[10:34] <Gadgetoid_> Wonder if I should spin a temporary fork for Pi 2 only
[10:35] <ruben-ikmaak> im ok with win running on it, im not ok distracting the team from getting real sw to work on it
[10:35] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, it should just be a base address change. Ideally, reading from DT or using a special function which I forget the name of. The DT approach might not work, since I expect a lot of people to disable DT support.
[10:35] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, it seems to be yes, I already have a patched version working here
[10:36] <ruben-ikmaak> the basic taking style is different to the beginning of the project "getting products in the hands of customers" versus the old "getting children to program"
[10:36] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, i2c/smbus works great, Python spidev needs the GitHub version until I update it on pip
[10:36] <Gadgetoid_> I haven't got Unicorn HAT up and running yet though!
[10:37] <ruben-ikmaak> have they given up on children?
[10:37] <Gadgetoid_> That needs the right PWM offsets
[10:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> ali1234 when was the debian fix for ghost posted
[10:37] <ali1234> RaTTuS|BIG: checking
[10:38] <ruben-ikmaak> (disclosure: my raspi2b+ is ordered and in the mail)
[10:38] <ruben-ikmaak> but i work with it with children, and am thinking we will have to move to another board soon
[10:39] <ritek> 6:34 PM <ruben-ikmaak> win10 is unneccesary crap cluttering the development of rpi +1
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[10:39] <tomodachi> hi , is the raspberry pi2 compatible with the b+ case?!
[10:39] <tomodachi> cant seem to find any info regarding it in the faq
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[10:40] <shiftplusone> tomodachi, most are. There's one component placed slightly differently which means the old pibow cases don't quite fit. Most cases should, I think.
[10:40] <ali1234> RaTTuS|BIG: fixed in debian on 27th jan 16:24 GMT
[10:40] <ruben-ikmaak> tomodachi: seems so, there are a lot of cases that are mentioned as b2+ cases
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[10:40] <ali1234> and fixed in raspbian about 10 hours later, so not too bad
[10:40] <ruben-ikmaak> tomodachi: since the release
[10:41] <ritek> shiftplusone: which component?
[10:41] <shiftplusone> don't know off the top of my head.
[10:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I cannot link the post but plugwash annonced the fix was available 28th Jan 3:43
[10:41] <ruben-ikmaak> only on the end of the q&a section kids are mentioned more
[10:42] <ali1234> it was uploaded about an hour before that
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[10:44] <bindi> greetings, is the new rpi 2 capable of saving two webcam streams to USB stick and playing mp3's off an usb soundcard, simultaneously?
[10:45] <bindi> and will a microsoft lifecam hd-3000 work anyway? :P
[10:45] <Stanto> bindi, sure
[10:45] <ali1234> probably not to be honest
[10:45] <ali1234> it still only has USB 2
[10:45] <ali1234> which means 400mbit
[10:46] <bindi> 400 Mbit sounds more than enough for 2 webcam streams though
[10:46] <bindi> and saving it
[10:46] <ali1234> you think?
[10:46] <bindi> I can live with one if needed
[10:46] <ali1234> what resolution?
[10:46] <shiftplusone> ritek, the element14 stream right now is addressing the case question.
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[10:47] <bindi> 1280x720
[10:47] <ali1234> shiftplusone: so it's NOT the same board then?
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[10:47] <shiftplusone> ali1234, ?
[10:47] <ali1234> shiftplusone: he just said the SoC is in a different place
[10:48] <ruben-ikmaak> shiftplusone: they moved mem to the back and more
[10:48] <r3dsm0k3> bindi: It should be able to do 720p bith cams
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[10:48] <ruben-ikmaak> not stacked anymore
[10:48] <Gadgetoid_> Old PiBow is a no go, we've switched to a new Pi 2 compatible one now
[10:48] <ali1234> ah, not stacking the memory should make up for the increased heat
[10:48] <r3dsm0k3> bindi: Im able to do 1 cam @ 1080p and 1 at 720p even with the B+
[10:48] <bindi> I'm going to install rpi on my car to integrate it in the cars computer to play mp3s for me, and save dashcam footage automatically
[10:48] <r3dsm0k3> bindi: but not both at 1080p,.
[10:49] <ruben-ikmaak> Gadgetoid_: would the pibow case not just need one layer replaced?
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[10:49] <evil_dan2wik> Welcome DF3D2
[10:49] <bindi> http://saablin.net/ this guy had some problems, hopefully I wont have them :P
[10:49] <DF3D2> hey I want to buy a pie 2 but I can't find a purchase link?
[10:49] <tomodachi> is the usb throughput better on the pi2?
[10:50] <Gadgetoid_> ruben-ikmaak, not sure if the layer above changed to mirror the one below in places, but in theory yes
[10:51] <ruben-ikmaak> Gadgetoid_: id think pibow cases are very adaptable like that
[10:51] <DF3D2> so is it actually not on sale yet?
[10:51] <Gadgetoid_> ruben-ikmaak, we most likely wont sell that layer as a single though, since it's super delicate
[10:51] <DF3D2> :-|
[10:52] <bindi> http://www.can232.com/?page_id=16 does this work on the rpi?
[10:52] <DF3D2> TAKE MY MONEY
[10:52] <DF3D2> lol
[10:52] <Jusii> does anyone know if the new firmware with RPi 2 support can detect which hardware it's running (B+ or new 2) and choose kernel based on that?
[10:52] <ruben-ikmaak> DF3D2: , i got one ordered, where are you?
[10:52] * DF3D2 inserts $35 in to dvd slot
[10:52] <Gadgetoid_> Jusii, I think it's the same kernel
[10:52] <DF3D2> ruben-ikmaak, USA I cant find a purchase link?
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[10:52] <ShorTie> bummer, Ships Soon(In transit to our warehouse)
[10:52] <ruben-ikmaak> dunno about us, ele14?
[10:52] <ruben-ikmaak> DF3D2: ^^
[10:53] <ShorTie> no part # there
[10:53] <ali1234> Jusii: there will be a single image with two kernels, so yes
[10:53] <azizLIGHT> Can pi 2 beat the other boards like beagle bone or whatever
[10:53] <Jusii> awesome
[10:53] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, we ship to the USA if you're in a super hurry, would be cheaper to get it locally though
[10:53] <azizLIGHT> Can I order pi 2 now? To USA
[10:53] <DF3D2> Gadgetoid_, locally from who ?
[10:53] <ShorTie> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16530
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[10:53] <Jusii> Gadgetoid_: just read from raspberrypi.org that it needs ARMv7 kernel, userland ofcourse can be the same
[10:53] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: not whatever, there are a lot more performant boards out there
[10:53] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, https://www.adafruit.com/products/2358 ?
[10:54] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: can you special order pololu stuff for me?
[10:54] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: but it should outperform BBB
[10:54] <azizLIGHT> Is all the pi2 hardware open?
[10:54] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: no
[10:54] <azizLIGHT> Gpu locked?
[10:54] <ali1234> azizLIGHT: same as before
[10:54] <ShorTie> OUT OF STOCK, blaaa......
[10:54] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, what are you after? I'm not sure how often we order in from pololu
[10:55] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: some motor driver boards
[10:55] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: yes, still closed GPU
[10:55] <shiftplusone> The 3D stuff on the GPU is open, but that still leaves a lot of closed stuff.
[10:55] <azizLIGHT> Are you guys excited or what
[10:55] <evil_dan2wik> Wait, what is on the other side of the Pi?
[10:55] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: i don't really care about lead time
[10:55] <nimoot> evil_dan2wik, RAM
[10:55] <DF3D2> http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi
[10:55] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: bought one, but not very exited
[10:55] <shiftplusone> and the stuff that's closed has mostly been reverse engineered to the point where you can use it
[10:55] <DF3D2> i can buy from there ?
[10:55] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, which ones?
[10:55] <evil_dan2wik> nimoot, not on top anymore?
[10:55] <nimoot> No.
[10:55] <azizLIGHT> shiftplusone: cool
[10:55] <nimoot> Just the SoC on top.
[10:56] <DF3D2> hey azizLIGHT
[10:56] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: the timy DRV8835/DRV8833/TB6612 breakouts, and maybe the raspberry pi version
[10:56] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: you will still need binblobs to boot though....
[10:56] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, https://www.newark.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/AjaxOrderItemDisplayView?COM=superwidget-link_RaspberryPi+CMPNULL&msg=&storeId=10194&krypto=EGjqBk%2BwnTnZ08n71pMX66Xz4XWza%2BJEDQvsP8jQ8eu%2Ff6lcfQk1hPDP%2Fwil06sOy6D8nmkiCvtg%0AULCBRQzC0JWUEbaLyIcnjsY7rYolvHE%3D&ddkey=http:LegacyAddToBag
[10:56] <DF3D2> they sell to USA
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[10:56] <Iota> Hai guys ^^
[10:56] <Iota> Hope you're all having a wonderful morning.
[10:56] <evil_dan2wik> DF3D2, empty cart
[10:57] <azizLIGHT> The other day my USB where rootfs is died and I had to reformat, and I was just thinking wouldn't it suck if I did all this installation and then pi releases a stronger pi?
[10:57] <DF3D2> so all of the download images for raspberry pi still work on the pi 2?
[10:57] <evil_dan2wik> Iota, yes
[10:57] <azizLIGHT> And guess what lol
[10:57] <nimoot> hah
[10:57] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: https://www.pololu.com/product/2135 https://www.pololu.com/product/2753
[10:57] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, you'll need to update them with the new kernel.
[10:57] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, We've actually got a DRV8830 ( I think ) breakout coming soon
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[10:57] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, k
[10:57] <shiftplusone> I don't know if apt-get upgrade is enough at this stage, but rpi-update definitely will.
[10:57] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, is there a guide on how to do that?
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[10:57] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: DRV8830 is different chip though, but okay
[10:57] <evil_dan2wik> guh
[10:58] <evil_dan2wik> I think my pi just ruined it's SD card
[10:58] <evil_dan2wik> it boots up but then crashes with a load of IO errors
[10:58] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: also if it's the sparkfun minimoto it's lolhuge and too big for my robot
[10:58] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, Yeah it's an i2c single motor driver
[10:58] <azizLIGHT> DF3D2: is that to buy for USA
[10:59] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, yeah from newark.com
[10:59] <ruben-ikmaak> any info whaen there will be a raspbian lenny?
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[10:59] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, and I'd imagine too big for your needs, it's not huge, but it's nowhere near as dinky and breakout-like as the DRV8835 pololu board
[10:59] <azizLIGHT> DF3D2: it just takes me to an empty cart page?
[10:59] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: 8835 can also drive two motors not one
[10:59] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, one sec
[10:59] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, Aye
[11:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> I though they may have relased the display before the RPi2
[11:00] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, the 8830 is only one, I was noting the difference :D
[11:00] <ali1234> although the i2c on the 8830 is also tempting, not needing extra pwms
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[11:00] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, yeah we've put an address select dip switch on there too
[11:00] * antoon pats bindi
[11:00] <ali1234> if it's not too big i could go with that
[11:00] <DF3D2> meh newark.com wants $8.66 for shipping is that normal on a pi 2 order?
[11:00] <ali1234> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11890 is too big
[11:01] <ShorTie> cheaper then mcm
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[11:02] <ShorTie> got a link to part # maybe ??
[11:02] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, I think it's easily that big if not bigger unfortunately
[11:02] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: do you work on raspbian?
[11:03] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: no?
[11:03] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: i work on ubuntu though :P
[11:03] <ruben-ikmaak> ow, because you were so informed on the ghost issue
[11:03] <azizLIGHT> Will hardware for pi work on pi2? I got a pi ups that goes through pins
[11:04] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: so the thing about 8830 is it only has one vcc, if i run my motors at 5v i need a i2c level converter... i think
[11:04] <DF3D2> I just ordered one from newark.com
[11:04] <DF3D2> $43 total w/ usps priority shipping
[11:04] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: will normal ubuntu (non-snappy) run on the pi?
[11:04] <DF3D2> whats a good case for the pi 2 ?
[11:04] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: yes
[11:04] <azizLIGHT> Are there even cases out
[11:04] * kiely is now known as kiely_elsewhere
[11:05] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: there's no image yet though afaik
[11:05] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, I've just ordered a few pibows.
[11:05] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, yeah cause pi 1 cases fit it
[11:05] <DF3D2> thats what i read
[11:05] <azizLIGHT> The pi 1+ cases?
[11:05] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: also, assuming you meant pi 2... it won't run on the classic hardware :P
[11:05] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: hardfloat? where would i hear if the image gets out? is there a timeline for it?
[11:05] <azizLIGHT> The ports look on different sizes on pi 2 vs original pi
[11:05] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: no idea, but if snappy runs then normal runs... snappy is just a container format, the binaries are identical
[11:06] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: why not? it is the same class of processor?
[11:06] <azizLIGHT> So how can case from pi 1 work
[11:06] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT,
[11:06] <DF3D2> here is the newark.com part # 38Y6467
[11:06] <azizLIGHT> DF3D2: oh thank you!!
[11:06] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: pi b 1+ works, not the b
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[11:06] <azizLIGHT> I see
[11:07] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: so what are my options when i get the 2 tomorrow?
[11:07] <r3dsm0k3> Gadgetoid: any store in UK where I could pick one up, or do i have to order online. ? I can’t wait :P
[11:08] <DF3D2> hmm the confirmation email didnt actually show an order #
[11:08] <azizLIGHT> Is ethernet gigabit?
[11:08] <ruben-ikmaak> azizLIGHT: no
[11:08] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: snappy or raspbian
[11:08] <DF3D2> lol these cases cost way more than the pi2 it's self
[11:08] <azizLIGHT> Ah well
[11:08] <DF3D2> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-2-with-pibow
[11:09] <DF3D2> those things are expensive as fuck
[11:09] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: so could i take the snappy and just run it as ubuntu?
[11:09] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: i'm not sure
[11:09] <ali1234> maybe?
[11:10] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: ow :(
[11:10] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: here's the deal. snappy container format is based on the work done for ubuntu phones
[11:10] <ali1234> on the phones you can switch from image updates to a normal apt system and just use it like normal
[11:10] <azizLIGHT> Is there a recommended power cord for pi 2
[11:10] <ali1234> i don't know if you can do this on the raspberry pi, but it is a possibility
[11:10] <DF3D2> so will the raspberry pi 2 boot with: RaspBMC ?
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[11:10] <ali1234> your best bet is to go and ask in #ubuntu-arm
[11:10] <azizLIGHT> Power adapter I mean
[11:11] <antoon> Hm. Does the pi2 use same voltage as the b+?
[11:11] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, isnt it just micro usb ?
[11:11] <DF3D2> 5v
[11:11] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: ok, reasonable
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[11:12] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: snappy is a good fit for the pi though, as it has atomic image updates which means in theory, sd card corruption is no longer going to render it unbootable
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[11:12] <ali1234> however if you turn that off and use apt-get you lose that
[11:12] <azizLIGHT> Is it? I'm not sure about power requirements
[11:12] <ruben-ikmaak> snappy has an app store, with free plastered next to each app, that scares me
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[11:13] <ali1234> it's not really an app store as such
[11:13] <ruben-ikmaak> free now, pay tomorrow
[11:13] <ali1234> everything in it is currently FOSS software because snappy has only been around for like a month
[11:13] <ruben-ikmaak> ubuntu promised to be free and open, snappy not so much
[11:13] <ali1234> anyone can make snappy packages too
[11:14] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, I'll go see when we're likely to re-order from Pololu, zoom!
[11:14] <ali1234> it's not like you have to use the app store
[11:14] <DF3D2> so im a total pi n00b, never owned a pi1, just ordered a pi2. The pi2 takes a microsd card, or a full sized sd card? and I can use a microsd charger, like the ones that connect to a 120V wall dongle?
[11:14] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: thanks :)
[11:14] <ruben-ikmaak> it seems to me it was one of the dreaded code dumps, where one block of functionality is dumped into foss
[11:14] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, microsd and yes as long as it's not a cheap knock-off.
[11:14] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: it's not like they dumped it out there, the code has been under development for months for ubuntu phone
[11:15] <ali1234> they just branded it and made it a standalone project
[11:15] <ruben-ikmaak> they are dreaded and mistrusted by most in the community, id think ppl would stop doing that
[11:15] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, whats that plug on the pi2 that looks like a 12V power adapter plug?
[11:15] <ali1234> mostly in reaction to the owncloud problems
[11:15] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, audio jack?
[11:15] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, ah is it ?
[11:15] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: ok, interesting point
[11:15] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, the only thing I can think of on there that looks remotely like a dc jack.
[11:15] <DF3D2> the pi2 can do AC3/DTS passthrough via DTS ?
[11:16] <DF3D2> err via hdmi
[11:16] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: they *have* code dumped in the past, but i don't see a problem
[11:16] <shiftplusone> Not sure. I think the support is there, but it may or may not work depending on your equipment.
[11:16] <ruben-ikmaak> but as raspbian wheezy is getting a bit old, im worrying about the freeish sw in rpi
[11:16] <ali1234> FOSS guarantees you get the code, nothing more nothing less
[11:16] <Gadgetoid_> Sorry ali1234 we ordered only last week or so- so it may be a while!
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[11:16] <DF3D2> ali1234, well there are xmbc images for the pi so it should def work
[11:17] <DF3D2> as long as the hdmi does audio that is
[11:17] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: it isnt just the code, it is the takeing the decision process out of communities hands
[11:17] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: community never had any control over decisions, ever. FOSS does not guarantee it.
[11:17] <ruben-ikmaak> so if we want the snappy plus points, we would have to keep the app model, or create a unmaintained fork
[11:17] <ali1234> all successful FOSS projects are dictatorships
[11:18] <DF3D2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Pi2ModB1GB_-comp.jpeg <--- next to the hdmi port that is a microsd slot, or full sized sd?
[11:18] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: snappy can only work by the app model
[11:18] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, neither
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[11:18] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: if you see them grow, you can influence. otherwise its scrambling to get a codedump into shape
[11:18] <ali1234> the whole point of it is that apps are packaged in an atomic way
[11:18] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, what is that then O_O ?
[11:18] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, camera connector
[11:18] <ali1234> if you take away the apps, there is nothing left, you just have normal ubuntu
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[11:19] <ruben-ikmaak> this is acceptable for legacy projects opening up, but open projects should not do this anymore
[11:19] <DF3D2> where is the sd slot then O_O
[11:19] <azizLIGHT> Why is it saying " Your order is subject to credit check and authorization.
[11:19] <azizLIGHT> Your request for a new account or account amendment may result in a delay in processing your order and subsequent delivery." on Newark
[11:19] <azizLIGHT> I'm trying to pay by credit card
[11:19] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, you clicked on apply for credit account
[11:19] <DF3D2> like a line of credit
[11:19] <azizLIGHT> I clicked no
[11:19] <DF3D2> idk then my order went through
[11:19] <DF3D2> used an amazon visa card
[11:19] <ruben-ikmaak> the apps are just neutered applications, hence the shortening :)
[11:19] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, underneath on the back.
[11:19] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, oh, it's microsd right
[11:20] <shiftplusone> yes
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[11:20] <DF3D2> sorry i have a million questions
[11:20] <ingsoc> what kind of boot times (to console) are achievable with a raspberry pi. Seems my 1st gen model B takes up to 45 seconds
[11:20] <DF3D2> just very new to this :-P
[11:20] <turtlehat> that pi2 looks yummy
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[11:20] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: okay, thanks for checking. how long are we talking? when should i check back? ;)
[11:20] <ingsoc> thi sis running noobs
[11:20] <DF3D2> turtlehat, it does I just ordered one
[11:20] <steve_rox> i just ordered one them rpi2
[11:20] <readwrite> rs wont let you order to the united states will it?
[11:20] <turtlehat> DF3D2, they arent available at my fav outlet yet, but when they are im getting 3 ^_^
[11:21] <ingsoc> I had read changing distros to one with a different init daemon can help (concurrent startup of services)
[11:21] <readwrite> i could only select great brittain
[11:21] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, The exact words used were "a good long while"- it really depends how quickly the stock depletes, could be a few months!
[11:21] <steve_rox> gettin 3? wow :-P
[11:21] <DF3D2> turtlehat, wow why 3? I just want one for a silent htpc in my living room
[11:21] <DF3D2> its a shame the cases cost more than the unit
[11:21] <turtlehat> i need them for a project, and then later perhaps one to play around with
[11:21] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: i'm looking for normal ubuntu :)
[11:21] <Stanto> we had a hard time at element14 making sure we had stock
[11:21] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: so that's ok
[11:21] <DF3D2> I just ordered one from element14 on newark.com
[11:22] <DF3D2> said 150 were in stock
[11:22] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: it was probably me who triggered the order last week
[11:22] <slipstream> >raspi2
[11:22] <readwrite> can you order to the states?
[11:22] <steve_rox> the race is on to bag one i guess
[11:22] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, Hahahaha!
[11:22] <slipstream> I want one, but not just yet
[11:22] <azizLIGHT> DF3D2: $45.94 for me
[11:22] <ruben-ikmaak> ali1234: but snappy could bring some improvements, but if we have to change the whole presentation to remove the app store thing...
[11:22] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, did you pick the $5.66 or whatever USPS shipping ?
[11:22] <DF3D2> mine was 43 and some change
[11:22] <slipstream> I'd rather wait for a build of the announced winiot arm so i can mess with that
[11:22] <azizLIGHT> Cheapest option for shipping
[11:22] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, thats odd
[11:22] <azizLIGHT> Maybe different tax?
[11:23] <azizLIGHT> It says it charges me 8.66 for shipping
[11:23] <antoon> Do you think a 5V 1.5A powersupply would be able to power the new rpi2? Or does it require more due to the new cpu?
[11:23] <azizLIGHT> $2.28 tax
[11:23] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, that wasnt the cheapest shipping then
[11:23] <DF3D2> my USPS shipping was $5.66
[11:23] <DF3D2> priority 2-3 day
[11:23] <azizLIGHT> What!
[11:24] <DF3D2> our Merchandise Total $35.00
[11:24] <DF3D2> Your Freight Total $5.78
[11:24] <DF3D2> Your Tax Total $2.45
[11:24] <DF3D2> Your Order Total $43.23
[11:24] <DF3D2> Sale in USD
[11:24] <DF3D2> 5.78
[11:24] <azizLIGHT> I did this on mobile so it's possible I messed up or their site isn't good for mobile
[11:24] <DF3D2> their site is garbage for desktop also
[11:24] <DF3D2> poorly designed for sure
[11:24] <azizLIGHT> Ah well it's alright
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[11:25] <DF3D2> so do I just use DD on linux to write this image to the sd card?
[11:25] <Milhouse> anyone else having trouble accessing the Raspberry Pi Forum? I keep being redirected to the blog
[11:25] <shiftplusone> antoon, most of the old supplies should work well enough.
[11:25] <shiftplusone> Milhouse, yes, the forum has been disabled since it's getting hammered too much and brining the main site down.
[11:25] <antoon> I got a battborg pushing out the mentioned numbers, but I heard it should be enough, shiftplusone :)
[11:25] <Milhouse> ah right, thanks :)
[11:25] <azizLIGHT> I got my order number by email DF3D2
[11:25] <DF3D2> azizLIGHT, pming you
[11:25] <azizLIGHT> K
[11:26] <ruben-ikmaak> so would anyone know of developements for a pi version of Debian Jessie (8) like Raspbian?
[11:26] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, there are two methods. DD and NOOBS. With NOOBS, you get a little multi-boot and recovery thing and you install it just by extracting the files onto the fat32-formatted card.
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[11:26] <ali1234> ruben-ikmaak: it should happen, ARMv7 is the standard for arm distros now, you should have a lot more choice and not have to rebuild everything
[11:27] <azizLIGHT> When is jesse out
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[11:28] <Stanto> <ruben-ikmaak> so would anyone know of developements for a pi version of Debian Jessie (8) like Raspbian? - iirc just update your sources list to say 'jessie' instead of 'wheezy' and do an apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[11:28] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, im familiar with linux, just not the PI
[11:28] <ali1234> Stanto: i wouldn't do that to an SD card...
[11:28] <DF3D2> so it seems like this: DD the raspbmc image on to the sd card, boot up the pi2, run update-pi to get new kernels ?
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[11:30] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, I don't know about raspbmc, I only use Raspbian nowadays.
[11:30] <azizLIGHT> Is there raspi-config on rasmpbc
[11:30] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, im guessing I can install xbmc on that anyway? does raspberry pi uses software repos like ubuntu or packages?
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[11:30] <antoon> Someone said I couldn't just move my microsd from old pi to new one, and just boot it, right? :p
[11:31] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, repos, but the XBMC repo is a third party thing you need to add yourself.
[11:31] <shiftplusone> I'd just dualboot raspbian and openelec instead.
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[11:31] <azizLIGHT> I thought it was better to use the actual raspbmc distro than install xbmc on raspbian
[11:31] <shiftplusone> antoon, you'll need to make sure you have kernel7.img on it
[11:32] <DF3D2> DTS and AC3 audio passthrough audio is supported (and recommended, as it will reduce CPU load on the R-Pi) -- got that from the KODI (XBMC) wiki
[11:32] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, hmm whats openelec
[11:32] <shiftplusone> azizLIGHT, maybe, but raspbmc tend to to things differently in a way that standard support questions have different answers.... so I don't bother with it.
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[11:32] <antoon> I see, shiftplusone. Thanks :)
[11:32] <DF3D2> oh openelec uses xbmc anyway
[11:32] <azizLIGHT> DF3D2: it's another media focus distro for raspberry pi
[11:32] <DF3D2> lol
[11:33] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, a purely kodi-based distro. Can't be used as a general OS, but it has a good team of developers.
[11:33] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, hmm im guessing you can still drop to a terminal to do things though w/ openelec ?
[11:33] <DF3D2> ctrl+alt+F# or such?
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[11:34] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, you're effectively working with a read-only FS though. You can install add-ons and such, but really, just use raspbian. If you don't want to dualboot or have separate sd cards, then raspbmc is the way to go.
[11:35] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, so raspbmc is a normal linux distro just built around xbmc ?
[11:35] <DF3D2> that sounds good to me
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[11:35] <DF3D2> I mainly plan to use this for xbmc anyway, for a silent htpc
[11:35] <shiftplusone> yeah, it's raspbian-based (though I think they deny that it is)
[11:35] <DF3D2> if it works well i'll buy a second one to replace my i3 4150 machine
[11:35] <shiftplusone> Just give everything a go and see what suits you most
[11:36] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, yeah im just so new so much to learn haha
[11:36] <ShorTie> blaaa... Expected Ship Date: 02/17/2015 from newark
[11:37] <DF3D2> I always thought it was dumb to have a Matx sized pc for an htpc
[11:37] <DF3D2> ShorTie, for a pi 2? where do you see that
[11:39] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: also i discovered something neat - the camera mount slots perfectly into this lego piece http://brickset.com/parts/4603504
[11:39] <ali1234> but only if you DON'T peel off the protective plastic
[11:39] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, Hahahaha! Whaaat?
[11:39] <ali1234> uploading a picture...
[11:40] <DF3D2> so it seems the b+ cases are compatible
[11:40] <DF3D2> whats a reasonably priced one
[11:40] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, not all of them, but most of the ones that mount the Pi on standoffs inside the case
[11:41] <DF3D2> Gadgetoid_, well the pi2 has the exact same layout port wise
[11:41] <DF3D2> ShorTie, where are you seeing that expect ship date? my order details from newark dont show that
[11:41] <ali1234> yeah but the chips are in different places so if the case is tight like the pibow (which is a really nice case btw, good job) then it won't fit
[11:41] <DF3D2> pibow is really expensive though, 45 pounds for it...
[11:42] <DF3D2> thats like double what I paid for the pie almost
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[11:42] <ali1234> that includes a raspberry pi
[11:42] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, Yup, but cases that do anything like routing close to the PCB or putting a ridiculous column of metal in the middle as a "heat sink" might not fit
[11:42] <DF3D2> Gadgetoid_, yeah I just want a plastic one to keep it safe and dust free
[11:42] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, Our cheapest PiBow is the Coupe at £8.50 ( ignoring the model A+ one of course )
[11:42] <ShorTie> at the bottom of the confurmation email they sent
[11:43] <Gadgetoid_> The Coupe is pretty sufficient for dust-free applications, and you can stick a VESA mount plate on it too
[11:43] <DF3D2> im seeing 42-45 pounds for the pi2 cases
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, where!?
[11:44] <DF3D2> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-2-with-pibow
[11:44] <ali1234> that includes a raspberry pi!
[11:44] <DF3D2> does it?
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_> Yes!
[11:44] <ali1234> yes!
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_> haha :D
[11:44] <DF3D2> oh fuck my apologies
[11:44] <DF3D2> lol
[11:44] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, family friendly channel and all that >_<
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> DF3D2, please keep it family friendy if you can. Re-read the channel rules in the topic ..
[11:44] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, I think we'll change that to "with" instead of "+"
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[11:45] <Gadgetoid_> Done!
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[11:45] <DF3D2> ShorTie, not seeing it lol
[11:45] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/UTc2PWwSxZi
[11:46] <DF3D2> ShorTie, apologies on the swearing and yeah I see feb 17th for ship date now
[11:47] <DF3D2> Oh well I can wait I guess
[11:48] <DF3D2> so about $19 us for a pibow pie2 case
[11:48] <u-ou> hmm, will the 2 fit into b+ cases?
[11:48] <DF3D2> supposedly most of them
[11:49] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, Nice! That might have been luck of the draw, since the acrylic thickness tolerance is +-1mm or something there abouts
[11:49] <DF3D2> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-2-pibow
[11:49] <Gadgetoid_> Might be 0.5 or 0.2 actually, but it's probably possible to get a bonus thick camera mount that does fit
[11:49] <DF3D2> ninja looks really nice...
[11:49] <DF3D2> does it have wallmount holes on the bottom?
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, Ninja, with a smoke top
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2 - http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/omnivesa
[11:50] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: my two pibow cases seem to be the same... fits nicely with the plastic on, falls out with it off
[11:50] <ali1234> when disassembled of course
[11:50] <Gadgetoid_> Although if you were completely nuts, you could rawplug your walls and just stick long steel screws right through the PiBow and into the wall :D
[11:51] <ali1234> i bet they are overstating their tolerances to be safe
[11:51] <DF3D2> Gadgetoid_, it's so small it can just sit behind the tv anyway
[11:52] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, maaan, you haven't seen a PiBow with all the layers out of tolerance then :D
[11:52] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, yup! You could probably blue-tac it on pretty securely
[11:52] <DF3D2> I want a case but spending like 1/2 of what I paid for the unit on a case just bothers me. Regardless of how nice the case is :-P
[11:52] <ali1234> fair enough
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[11:52] <ali1234> DF3D2: i thought the same thing until i received it
[11:52] <ali1234> but it's really nice
[11:53] <DF3D2> ali1234, which one?
[11:53] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, the video there is a PiBow ninja with a frosted top and a Unicorn HAT inside :D http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pibow-modification-layers
[11:53] <ali1234> A+ coupe
[11:53] <Gadgetoid_> Although I haven't got Unicorn HAT working on Pi 2 yet, needs some software tweaks
[11:54] <DF3D2> Hopefully my pi2 will be just sitting inside my media cabinet once I have it setup properly, should be able to just use ssh on my laptop to control it and wireless kb/mouse combo for xbmc
[11:54] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, You could pretty safely do that without a case at all, I'd wager
[11:54] <DF3D2> Gadgetoid_, thats what Im figuring for my use case, people who take it places would want a case
[11:54] <Gadgetoid_> DF3D2, I had mine sitting on a metal rack shelf for a year in half a PiBow
[11:54] <DF3D2> but mine will be stationary
[11:55] <DF3D2> Gadgetoid_, well you'd want to watch out for sitting it on metal without a case obviously :-D
[11:55] <utack> finally armv7, that is actually usable :D
[11:55] <ali1234> DF3D2: if you want to be really cheap get a piece of MDF and 4 stand offs
[11:55] <DF3D2> i just hope they ship before the 17th
[11:55] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, that was pretty much my first case, except with acrylic
[11:55] <DF3D2> ali1234, like motherboard sized standoffs ?
[11:55] <ali1234> DF3D2: that would probably work yea
[11:56] <DF3D2> that could work
[11:56] <DF3D2> thick bottom acryllic piece, just screw the standoffs in to it
[11:56] <DF3D2> screw the pi down
[11:56] <DF3D2> with a top piece
[11:56] <ali1234> i have my arduino mounted that way
[11:56] <DF3D2> thing is thick acryllic at lowes is expensive for a whole sheet
[11:56] <DF3D2> might as well buy a case at that point
[11:56] <DF3D2> :-P
[11:56] <ali1234> so get MDF :)
[11:56] <DF3D2> never used mdf whats that
[11:57] <Gadgetoid_> Wood, kinda!
[11:57] <ali1234> compressed sawdust and glue
[11:57] <DF3D2> Oh particle board
[11:57] <DF3D2> ahah that shit is horrible
[11:57] <DF3D2> ikea furniture is made out of that
[11:57] <ali1234> it's smaller particles than particle board
[11:57] <ali1234> usually
[11:57] <ali1234> but yeah similar
[11:57] <ali1234> yeah it's horrible, but it's cheap :)
[11:58] <DF3D2> well thanks for all the answers.! ill be doing more reading and such, gonna hope it ships b4 the 17th
[11:58] <DF3D2> gonna go back to bed lol
[11:58] <shiftplusone> 'night
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[11:59] <Gadgetoid_> night!
[11:59] <Gadgetoid_> Man, hectic morning!
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[11:59] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[12:01] <shiftplusone> Been at work for 2 hours and haven't opened the IDE yet >.>
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[12:01] <Gadgetoid_> Woudln't it be amazing if vim was preinstalled on Pi's :D
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_> The number of times I "nano xyz" and then ":/dshfksjh" and then cry
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> vim-tiny is pre-installed.
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[12:02] <shiftplusone> bah.... vim.
[12:02] <u-ou> vim is awesome
[12:02] <shiftplusone> The number of times I've accidentally launched vim and had to reset power to get out of it.... =P
[12:02] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, I *actually* did that when I was 12
[12:02] <ali1234> everyone has done that
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, ZZ (that's Shift-Z twice)
[12:02] <u-ou> o.o
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[12:03] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, wasn't it :q or something?
[12:03] <doomlord_1> rpi2 out ?
[12:03] <antoon> isnt it :q! or smth
[12:03] <Gadgetoid_> The first lesson of vim, it's the only app with a hardware exit button
[12:03] <ali1234> esc :q!
[12:03] <Iota> Yeah.
[12:03] <shiftplusone> doomlord_1, yessum
[12:03] <u-ou> shiftplusone yes :q
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> it still is, but ZZ is quickest to write file and exit.
[12:03] <u-ou> shiftplusone or :q! for no prompt
[12:03] <doomlord_1> i never bothered originally but a quadcore is a lot more tempting
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> :q <enter> is 3 keys, ZZ is 2.
[12:03] <shiftplusone> hm
[12:03] <antoon> and that's why we nano
[12:03] <Gadgetoid_> doomlord_1, yeah, I'm setting mine up now, it's awesome :D
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[12:04] <Iota> Just letting you all know, I still allow free creation of subdomain on raspberryip.com and .org if you want to use it for any projects.
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[12:04] * antoon pats iota
[12:04] * shiftplusone slaps Iota.
[12:04] <Iota> :(
[12:04] <doomlord_1> could anyone estimate which phone its approx equal to
[12:04] <Jusii> ah, gordonDrogon is COBOL man, caps lock always on?
[12:05] <antoon> Nice thought though, Iota. Too bad I've already setup my dyndns service :p
[12:05] <Jusii> (or how else you can type ZZ with 2 key presses...)
[12:05] <Iota> :P
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[12:06] <doomlord_1> it takes power from mini-USB?
[12:06] <shiftplusone> doomlord_1, yup
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> Jusii, no cobol here. Not written an cobol for over 30 years now.
[12:07] <Gadgetoid_> Any Python Spidev users around?
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[12:07] <doomlord_1> i take it something like the xfce desktop runs fine on it
[12:08] <ali1234> xfce should run nicely on quad a7 yeah
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> I run xfce on existing Pi's, where it runs just fine, so on the v2 it'll run just as fine, if not finer...
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[12:09] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: i may use spidev to add a screen to my robot...
[12:09] <ali1234> one of those 128x64 oled
[12:11] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, I'm in the process of testing a new patched version which I hope to push out to pip as the canonical solution to Python SPI
[12:12] <Gadgetoid_> The existing spidev is a little out of date
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[12:14] <Sasha> Man these RPi 2's are selling at a rate of like 50 a minute
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> just open the device /dev/spi* and write data to it...
[12:14] <ali1234> lol?
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[12:14] <ali1234> gordonDrogon: hope you don't want to set the clock...
[12:15] <Gadgetoid_> Woooaaah SPI has just gone super, super slow by default
[12:15] <utack> is that for real? http://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support
[12:15] <ali1234> i keep clicking on forum links and getting the holding page :(
[12:15] <ali1234> utack: yes
[12:15] <utack> crazy
[12:15] <maumushi> I just buyed rpi 2 !!!!!
[12:15] <shiftplusone> ali1234, yes, forums have been taken down since it's hammering the server too much.
[12:15] <utack> proprietary driver for the gpu/audio?
[12:16] <ShorTie> forums where put on hold for a little
[12:16] <maumushi> will the same sd of rpi 1 works on rpi 2 ?
[12:16] <shiftplusone> There's an open GPU driver (work in progress) and audio is just pwm with a filter).
[12:16] <ali1234> utack: it's pretty much the same SoC just with a better CPU
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[12:17] <shiftplusone> maumushi, after installing kernel7.img, yes. But you can't just transfer the card and have it work. (unless you use the new image or update the card).
[12:17] <aiky> hello. would it be easy to use the RPI for netflix and similar services?
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[12:17] <ali1234> aiky: no
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[12:17] <aiky> what a shame
[12:17] <shiftplusone> as far as netflix goes, no.
[12:17] <aiky> why not?
[12:17] <maumushi> best practice to migrate from rpi1 to rpi2 ?
[12:18] <ali1234> aiky: because DRM
[12:18] <aiky> oh
[12:18] <aiky> what about some sort of android installation and netflix app?
[12:19] <ali1234> maybe
[12:19] <mpmc> The RPI site doesn't mention this is the Ethernet still over usb? :p
[12:19] <ali1234> mpmc probably
[12:19] <mpmc> Boo :p
[12:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah it is still 100mps
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> mpmc, yes - same ethernet, same usb.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> same SD interface too.
[12:20] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, just got word that the RPI.GPIO guy has spent time getting it working on the pi 2 before launch and it should be fine. That work hasn't been released yet?
[12:21] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, Nope, it hasn't yet
[12:21] <Gadgetoid_> Not sure if my SPI speed issues are actually SPI or some other factor
[12:21] <shiftplusone> hm, should be pretty soon then I think.
[12:21] <ShorTie> kinda be a give away if they release the RPI.GPIO fix before the product
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[12:22] <Gadgetoid_> Between the pre release image and the final image, SPI has gone from WHEEE to... ERR?
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[12:22] <ali1234> someone got the link to the peripheral datasheet? i can't find it with most of the site being down
[12:22] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[12:23] <ali1234> thanks
[12:23] <shiftplusone> np
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid_, I ran my spiSpeed test on the v2 - it's marginally faster than on the v1 ...
[12:23] <ali1234> i'm wondering how close the SPI can get to 6.9375 MHz
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[12:24] <Gadgetoid_> gordonDrogon, I'm getting maybe one update every 0.1/sec
[12:24] <Sasha> come on the shipping is a tad exagerated, no? http://i.imgur.com/JTvqakg.png
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[12:25] <u-ou> shiftplusone, this is awesome. I hope this isn't a dream.
[12:25] <shiftplusone> heh
[12:25] <u-ou> :P
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[12:30] <Gadgetoid_> Man, I'm stumped!
[12:30] <doomlord_1> just ordered my RPi2 :)
[12:32] <shiftplusone> took a while >.>
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[12:32] <doomlord_1> the delay between discovering it existed and being ordered was minimal
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[12:33] <shiftplusone> heh
[12:37] <mpmc> Wow the RS & Element14 sites are almost dead lol, I went to complete the order and it failed! :/
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[12:37] <doomlord_1> at the very least i'll just use one to drive a spare monitor(with synergy) when my macbook is setup on a desk (it only has 2 monitor outputs, and i want a symetrical 3 screen workspace)
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[12:38] <shiftplusone> heh, so we brought element14 down again. This is like the original launch all over again =D
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[12:38] <Armand> What speed is the LAN port on the 2 ?
[12:38] <ali1234> same as before
[12:38] <Armand> Geez. :/
[12:38] <DF3D2> Armand, !
[12:39] <DF3D2> its gigabit tho thats fast enough
[12:39] <ali1234> no it isn't?
[12:39] <Armand> The original is 100.
[12:39] <DF3D2> oh is it 100??
[12:39] <Armand> So, if it's the same....
[12:39] <DF3D2> :-|
[12:39] <Armand> lol
[12:39] <shiftplusone> yup, everything is the same as before
[12:39] <ali1234> it's connected on USB so it couldn't even do gigabit even if it had the chip
[12:39] <shiftplusone> 'just' different cpu and ram.
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[12:39] <Armand> All I see on the site is "Ethernet port"
[12:39] <DF3D2> well even if it's 100... 10MB/s is enough for my needs
[12:39] <doomlord_1> does it have wifi
[12:39] <DF3D2> video streaming lol
[12:40] <mpmc> Why is RS £22.85 and Element14 £24.94!
[12:40] <Armand> doomlord_1: Doesn't look like it
[12:40] <shiftplusone> doomlord_1, no wifi (but plugging in a dongle isn't hard).
[12:41] <DF3D2> someone told me it was gigabit tho
[12:41] <DF3D2> :-\
[12:41] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, it isn't
[12:41] <DF3D2> :-(
[12:41] <DF3D2> what can you expect for $35 though I guess
[12:41] <DF3D2> you get a lot already
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[12:41] <doomlord_1> i was tempted to order a WASD custom keyboard setup to look as much like a bbc micro as possible (and owl logo for the 'OS key')
[12:41] <ali1234> why would you even want gigabit?
[12:41] <Armand> Moar speeds!
[12:42] <DF3D2> ali1234, ...
[12:42] <Armand> Many bandwidths!
[12:42] <DF3D2> was that a serious question ?
[12:42] <ali1234> yes
[12:42] <DF3D2> why wouldn't I want 10x the transfer speed?
[12:42] <shiftplusone> Well, there's a C1, if you want comparable performance and gbit ethernet. You do lose certain things when going to a C1, but maybe you don't care about them.
[12:42] <ali1234> the SoC is only USB2 so you would get 0.4x transfer speed tops
[12:42] <Armand> I work for a webhosting company, so anything ethernet is Gb. :)
[12:42] <Gadgetoid_> It's like Python is running reeaalllllyyy sloowwwly
[12:42] <DF3D2> ali1234, im talking about ethernet not usb
[12:42] <DF3D2> ?
[12:42] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: that's what python does :)
[12:42] <Armand> shiftplusone: That is my foremost option at the moment.
[12:42] <ali1234> DF3D2: the ethernet is connected thru USB
[12:43] <Armand> Besides the faster CPU, Gb is a massive plus.
[12:43] <DF3D2> oh its a usb bus not pci-e ah
[12:43] <Armand> Indeedf
[12:43] <ali1234> so it also shares bandwidth with every other USb device
[12:43] <Armand> -f
[12:43] <DF3D2> well 10MB/s will be fine for my needs anyway can stream 1080p video easily with that
[12:43] <ali1234> that's what it is meant for... seriously this chip was designed for STBs
[12:44] <DF3D2> yeah im gonna be using it for a silent htpc for the living room
[12:44] <Gadgetoid_> ali1234, Har, except not *this* slow
[12:44] <DF3D2> and if i like it enough ill sell off my i3 4150 htpc and buy a second one
[12:44] <ali1234> that's also why you pay for codecs
[12:44] <DF3D2> pay for codecs?
[12:44] <ali1234> that would be included in the cost of "proper" devices
[12:44] <DF3D2> wut
[12:44] <ali1234> yes, pay for codecs
[12:44] <DF3D2> never have paid for a codec to my knowledge
[12:44] <ali1234> http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
[12:45] <ali1234> wait, is that an official site?
[12:45] <shiftplusone> yes
[12:45] <DF3D2> o_o
[12:45] <ali1234> why does it look different?
[12:45] <Armand> I'll still get some 2's, just coz.. but the C1 is most definitely better suited to my main project.
[12:45] <DF3D2> mpeg-2, I use mkv with h264 anyway usually
[12:45] <DF3D2> Armand, link to a c1?
[12:45] <nimoot> ordoid c1
[12:46] <Armand> 1 sec
[12:46] <nimoot> *odroid
[12:46] <Armand> DF3D2: http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433
[12:46] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: are you sure you haven't accidentally written some code that's really slow?
[12:46] <ali1234> it's easily done if you;re not careful
[12:46] <Gadgetoid_> Positive ali1234
[12:46] <DF3D2> Armand, wow that has better specs for the same price?
[12:46] <Gadgetoid_> This is a codebase for a released product that's been in the wild for months, and works on an earlier release
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[12:46] <shiftplusone> ali1234, don't know why it looks different, but it's the real deal. I think it's there for... legacy reasons.
[12:46] <Armand> ali1234: One of my colleagues did also comment that Python is tragically slow.
[12:47] <Gadgetoid_> Okay, Python is broken
[12:47] <Armand> I don't code, so.. No cares. :P
[12:47] <Gadgetoid_> 1000x time.sleep(0.001) should pause for ONE SECOND, not 30
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[12:47] <steve_rox> who broke a python :-P
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[12:47] <ali1234> Gadgetoid_: lol
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[12:48] <ShorTie> it's cold out, the snake has gone into hibernation
[12:48] <doomlord_1> is there such a thing as a kettle lead wchich splits off to a USB connector for power (wanting an 'all-in-one')
[12:48] <ali1234> doomlord_1: kettle leads are 240VAC, USB is 5VDC ... so no
[12:48] <shiftplusone> eh? why does a kettle need USB >.> Or is a kettle lead something I'm not aware of >_<
[12:48] <steve_rox> my rpi says its 5.437'c outside
[12:48] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, Python is broken =/
[12:49] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, Pi2 release distro: import time/ for i in range(1000):/ time.sleep(1.0/1000.0)
[12:49] <ali1234> shiftplusone: i guess for monitor and pi power
[12:49] <Gadgetoid_> Sleeps for about 15 seconds
[12:49] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, don't look at me, I don't use python >.>. Sec I'll ask around.
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[12:49] <steve_rox> you saying python is broke on this rpi2 or something else?
[12:49] <Gadgetoid_> Tested the same code snippet on my B+- 1 second or thereabouts
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[12:50] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, Ben says use python 3 =P
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[12:50] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, Is this some sort of conspiracy?
[12:50] * shiftplusone shrugs
[12:50] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, I swear, there's a bug
[12:50] <Gadgetoid_> Same bug in Python 3
[12:51] <steve_rox> so your saying python is broke in rpi2?
[12:51] <steve_rox> or is this something else
[12:51] <shiftplusone> No idea, sorry. Everyone just shrugged and said it was fine when they used it.
[12:51] <Gadgetoid_> I'm saying Python is broke in the release image
[12:51] <steve_rox> oh so rpi wide
[12:51] <Gadgetoid_> steve_rox, not tested the release image on a B+, might try that
[12:52] <steve_rox> fun
[12:52] <shiftplusone> Then it will probably quickly become apparent and the relevant people will get on it. Maybe post something on the forum when it's back up.
[12:52] <Gadgetoid_> It's definitely borked though, even in that super simple test case
[12:52] <ali1234> doomlord_1: you could get one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-IEC-C13-Switching-PSU/dp/B005NF4CD8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422877915&sr=8-1&keywords=5V+PSU+with+euro+plug and one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Splitter-Mains-Kettle-Power-Monitor/dp/B000Q6I2EY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422877950&sr=8-1&keywords=two+monitor+power+lead
[12:52] <steve_rox> damn amazon and their huge links
[12:53] <utack> on x86 it works for me: time python3 sleeptest.py
[12:53] <utack> real 0m1.091
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[12:53] <Gadgetoid_> There are no forums :D
[12:53] <ali1234> turns out google cache works
[12:54] <steve_rox> im still waitin for the rpi display to appear
[12:55] <steve_rox> think it was delayed due to emi
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, yup... and then all the astro-pi and pi2 stuff.
[12:56] <steve_rox> no idea what astro-pi is
[12:57] <shiftplusone> 2 pis with sensors being sent to the ISS for kids to run experiments on.
[12:57] <utack> Gadgetoid did you measure the time in python also?
[12:57] <ali1234> poor kids trapped on the ISS
[12:57] <steve_rox> what sort of relivent experments can be done on a rpi in space?
[12:57] <utack> maybe the "Import time" and loading python takes quite a while off a slow sd card
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[12:57] <mozzarella> guys
[12:58] <mozzarella> why use a usb port for power instead of a dc power jack?
[12:58] <steve_rox> eh?
[12:58] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, measure radiation, calculate the orbit period based on the magnetometer data and so on.
[12:58] <utack> tons of wall plugs, everyone has a cable at home?
[12:59] <steve_rox> dont think anyones made a radiation detector based on the ccd of rpi cam yet
[12:59] <steve_rox> i seen goons do it on smartphones
[12:59] <steve_rox> would seem like a logical project for rpi
[13:00] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, well that's the plan... take off the lens, tweak some parameters and see what happens.
[13:00] <steve_rox> and with the japan disaster we are not ment to talk about id think it may be usefull
[13:00] <mozzarella> utack: would that not be more true of dc power jack?
[13:00] <utack> uhm, who has one of these at home?
[13:00] <shiftplusone> mozzarella, not when you consider all the voltage and size ranges of dc power adapters.
[13:00] <utack> or how many models are there
[13:01] <pksato> micro usb is a standard for 5V power supply. other not have standard voltage.
[13:01] <RoyK> hi all. anyone knows where I can find schematic for pi2?
[13:01] <steve_rox> when i ran my rpi off usb from pc i got a lot of noise down the thing
[13:01] <utack> is 800mA even enough to run it?
[13:01] <RoyK> is the ethernet port on USB or is it separate? is it gigabit?
[13:01] <ali1234> jack can be any voltage, centre positive, centre negative, AC...
[13:01] <shiftplusone> RoyK, I don't think you can yet. And when you do, it's likely to be a cut-down version like the b+ one.
[13:01] <ali1234> RoyK: USB 100mbit
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[13:03] <doomlord_1> can you run an egpu off an rpi :)
[13:03] <steve_rox> whats one them
[13:03] <RoyK> it'd be neat with an onboard regulator that could switch down from 12V or so...
[13:03] <doomlord_1> external gpu housing
[13:04] <steve_rox> oh
[13:04] <shiftplusone> doomlord_1, no, how would you connect it?
[13:04] <steve_rox> i use a dc-dc board on my rpi
[13:04] <steve_rox> so i can dump near enough any voltae into it
[13:04] <Malinux> does rpi2 support passthrough of DD-HD and DTS-HD and so on?
[13:04] <doomlord_1> it would be a rather unbalanced system anyway
[13:04] <doomlord_1> but if you could, i would..
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[13:07] <nimoot> "calculate the orbit period based on the magnetometer data and so on." <-- what? BCM2853 has a magnetometer?
[13:07] <Armand> RoyK: That would be horrid.
[13:07] <nimoot> *BCM2835
[13:07] <Armand> A waste of money and energy.
[13:07] <ali1234> RoyK: you can buy those on ebay for like £1
[13:07] <RoyK> ali1234: mhm
[13:07] <RoyK> Armand: not energy :P
[13:08] <Armand> Yes
[13:08] <Armand> Step-down wastage.
[13:08] <steve_rox> step down convertor that dont waste heat
[13:08] <ali1234> switching regulators are quite efficient
[13:08] <Armand> There's always going to be some loss though, right?
[13:09] <steve_rox> yeah
[13:09] <RoyK> Armand: 2% or so with a good switcher
[13:09] <ali1234> yeah but not like the 60% loss you;d get wiwth a linear regulator
[13:09] <steve_rox> got my rpi running on a 12v netgear router wall wart thu one
[13:09] <Armand> I'm supplying mine from 12v batteries, but I've never looked at my losses.
[13:10] <ruben-ikmaak> regulators CAN BE quite efficient, but often arent, and users don't see it
[13:10] <steve_rox> make a lot of heat too
[13:10] <ali1234> it's fairly easy to measure though, with DC
[13:11] <Armand> My 12v > 5v reg puts out 5.25v, as I have to compensate for the USB board.
[13:11] <Armand> I tend to get things working first and look at improvements later.
[13:12] <steve_rox> sometimes i have to increase the dc-dc board power due to the rpi camera freaking out
[13:12] <shiftplusone> I tend to get things working first with the intent to improve things later, then think "meh, good enough" >.>
[13:13] <turtlehat> has power consumption gone up with the new pi?
[13:13] <ShorTie> ya, me 2
[13:13] <shiftplusone> turtlehat, it would have to, but not by much.
[13:13] <turtlehat> ballpark?
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[13:13] <shiftplusone> at idle, it should be about the same
[13:14] <turtlehat> can i use my 5v 1A ps?
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[13:14] <shiftplusone> yeah
[13:14] <turtlehat> alright cool
[13:15] <shiftplusone> assuming the voltage doesn't sag much at the higher current end.
[13:15] <ShorTie> wouldn't attach much though, imho
[13:15] <turtlehat> i guess ill see what happens ;)
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[13:16] <ShorTie> i guess the rPi2 has the blinky power light too ??
[13:16] <Armand> Yup
[13:17] <steve_rox> blinky powerlight?
[13:17] <Armand> blinkenlights. :D
[13:17] <steve_rox> ah
[13:17] <ShorTie> ya, if the voltage drops so far the power light blinks and shuts down the usb
[13:17] <Armand> I've got a BeBox here.. The front LEDs are SSOOOOO COOOOL!! ^_^
[13:18] <steve_rox> neat
[13:18] <steve_rox> i think you can read that event on gpio too
[13:18] <ShorTie> trying to keep the pi from a brown out
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[13:20] <steve_rox> got another one them car reverceing composite lcd the other day
[13:20] <steve_rox> 3.5 size i think
[13:20] <steve_rox> i opened it up for the 5v conversion job and pcb is entirely diff :P
[13:21] <ShorTie> see if it has the same chip #'s, and maybe go from that
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[13:22] <steve_rox> lucky with some common sence and a multimeter i was able to convert it
[13:22] <ShorTie> oh, ok, good job
[13:22] <steve_rox> i fed 5v into the cap simular to the other hack
[13:22] <steve_rox> and it works :-)
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[13:22] <ShorTie> got a 7" here i'm about to dig into
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[13:23] <steve_rox> 5v usb composite display
[13:23] <steve_rox> not the sharpest of things
[13:23] <steve_rox> but better than being blind
[13:23] <steve_rox> and that gpio lcd drives me nuts
[13:23] <ShorTie> the 5" 1's are alot nicer, imho
[13:23] <steve_rox> how expensive and what connection type?
[13:24] <ShorTie> it was about 20-25 if i remember right, same connections
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[13:24] <steve_rox> compo?
[13:25] <ShorTie> yup.
[13:25] <ShorTie> this 7" has hdmi
[13:25] <steve_rox> the pixels are somewhat larger on the lcd i have
[13:25] <steve_rox> can get eye strain
[13:25] <Hexxeh> Hey guys, might've missed the answers to these question already this morning but are UHS-I microSD cards OK with RPi2?
[13:25] <steve_rox> did you obtain it off ebay?
[13:25] <ShorTie> yes sir
[13:26] <steve_rox> do you has any links?
[13:26] <ShorTie> i like live out in the middle of nowhere, so ebay is my friend, lol.
[13:26] <steve_rox> i bet :-D
[13:26] <ShorTie> for ??
[13:26] <steve_rox> this display
[13:27] <ruben-ikmaak> hmm, i live in a medium city, we just have "all the same" and designer kitchenware shops :P so ebay is still needed :P
[13:27] <ShorTie> just put size lcd tft in ebay search i believe
[13:27] <steve_rox> 7 inch
[13:28] <steve_rox> for cars ?
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[13:29] <ShorTie> try '7" hdmi touch screen'
[13:30] <steve_rox> touchscreen too?
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[13:30] <ShorTie> or maybe leave touch out
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[13:30] <steve_rox> yeah cos im getting bombed by android devices
[13:30] <ShorTie> suppose to be, but mine not workin right
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[13:31] <ShorTie> another reason to dig into it, lol.
[13:31] <steve_rox> dig into it?
[13:32] <steve_rox> chop it apart?
[13:32] <ShorTie> sumfin like this if you don't want it in a preaty case http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-VGA-2AV-Reversing-Driver-Board-7-inch-AT070TN92-LCD-touch-Screen-800-480-/171546258888?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f0f42dc8
[13:32] <ShorTie> lol, no take the screws out holding the back on
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[13:32] <steve_rox> be fun making project box for that
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[13:34] <ShorTie> or if you want a tv type thingy http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-LED-Monitor-Specialized-HDMI-Interface-Touch-Screen-LED-Color-Receiver-e-/261651136479?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item3ceb9f7fdf
[13:34] <steve_rox> no idea if they could be converted to 5v
[13:35] <utack> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/7-inch-TFT-LCD-display-module-with-Keyboard-plate-for-Raspberry-pi-Banana-pi-Pro-pc/2012443564.html
[13:35] <utack> this one?
[13:35] <ShorTie> depends on the back light, just is most likely ok
[13:36] <utack> resolution is pretty horrible, but it works i guess
[13:36] <erebus^> sigh... getting a rpi 2 in norway should prove difficult :(
[13:36] <steve_rox> have to track a suitable power input place too
[13:36] <ShorTie> dag, thats cheaper then i paid for the adapter board
[13:37] <ShorTie> those boards are nice, work with old laptop screens, hehe.
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[13:37] <steve_rox> yea its a shame when old lappy lcd get wasted
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[13:40] <ShorTie> i got a couple big red W's in that 7" and the touch is not workin right, so the guy gave me 13 bucks back
[13:40] <steve_rox> china/japan seller?
[13:41] <ShorTie> brings cost down to about 24, so i can live with the W's if i can't get touchy workin for a proto type thing
[13:41] <ShorTie> na, he was is us
[13:41] <steve_rox> ah
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[13:43] <ShorTie> but i really need todo my taxes before anything else .. :/~
[13:43] <ShorTie> gotta have them done and paid by the end of the month
[13:45] <steve_rox> or they kil you
[13:45] <ShorTie> you lucky folks that get to procrastonate till april 15th, no fair, lol.
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[13:46] <ShorTie> na, if not paid by march 1st, then i'd have to do quarterly statements and fillings
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[13:55] <steve_rox> think i may be addicted to 18650 cells
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[13:55] <PiPower> Does anyone know how fast the USB port on the Pi can stream data?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm 18650's ...
[13:56] <steve_rox> i find myself collecting them from everywheres
[13:56] <PiPower> I have a peripheral that needs a real-time-stream of around 20MB/s, it has an internal buffer but not too much (few KB)
[13:56] <steve_rox> i even gutted a large lead acid battery and used it plastic shell to store them
[13:56] <steve_rox> can store 30 sells
[13:56] <steve_rox> cells
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> PiPower, that's only double Ethernet.
[13:57] <PiPower> Yeah, so I guess it should be possible no?
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> in theory yes - 420Mb/sec on usb2 IIRC.
[13:57] <PiPower> I have used it on other embedded arm board with little difficulty, but the Pi is the slowest of them all so I was a bit worrying
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> you may have to buffer it all up in RAM - not sure you can write it to SD at the same time, but who knows...
[13:58] <PiPower> Oh no, that is not a problem, it is a burst that is precalculated and then streamed, indeed from ram
[13:58] <PiPower> The SD is not that fast, even with the system idle I think
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[13:59] <teclo-> Hi I'm thinking of ordering a Raspberry Pi 2... but what WiFi adapters are supported ?
[13:59] <PiPower> Should be all of them supported by linux I guess?
[13:59] <PiPower> If you can find a driver for it
[14:00] <shiftplusone> teclo-, I haven't found one that doesn't work, but some don't work out of the box and some are definitely better than others.
[14:00] <teclo-> rs-online sells a Edimax one, but I don't know if it's supported by raspbian ?
[14:00] <shiftplusone> teclo-, if you want a sure thing use the edimax nano-ish one.
[14:00] <shiftplusone> teclo-, yes, it's supported and has a good chipset.
[14:00] <teclo-> PiPower: yeah, I guess that, just like for a laptop, you "need the drivers"
[14:00] <teclo-> then I'll buy the edimax indeed, thank you shiftplusone
[14:01] <steve_rox> caseing always seems to break on them
[14:01] <steve_rox> no idea why
[14:01] <shiftplusone> good in the sense that it doesn't eat up the CPU to do all the decoding like the cheaper ones do (wipi and pihut are unfortunately the cheaper ones)
[14:01] <PiPower> The antenna is not very good (obviously, it's a pcb antenna inside a very small dongle)
[14:01] <ShorTie> as long as it has Linux drivers, any wifi should work ok
[14:01] <PiPower> so keep that in mind that it may not connect if the signal is weak where you are
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[14:01] <shiftplusone> teclo-, just in case, if it's a new pi that hasn't had a usb device plugged in... plug something else in first.
[14:02] <shiftplusone> the edimax dongle's usb connector is out of spec and can break usb slots.
[14:02] <teclo-> shiftplusone: ah, good to know....
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[14:03] <teclo-> also, I've got a raspberry pi B or B+ in a crystal clear case, can I use the same case for the raspberry pi 2 ?
[14:04] <shiftplusone> probably
[14:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> b+ case should eb fine b case will probably not be
[14:05] <teclo-> who sells cases for the Pi 2 ? element14.com ? rs-online.com ?
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[14:05] <Stanto> teclo-, element14 do
[14:05] <Stanto> so basically farnell / newark
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[14:06] <steve_rox> i make own case
[14:06] <teclo-> btw do the raspbian images on raspberrypi.org support SMP ? I've read the Pi 2 has 4 cores...
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[14:07] <qdk> Seems like banana pi, pcduino and similar are still better options than RPi2, since it only offers a bit more speed and ram. No gbit, no sata.
[14:07] <PiPower> The camera interface + h264 codec is useful though.
[14:08] <qdk> teclo-: Would be very stange if it didnt.
[14:08] <PiPower> The hummingboard has that as well, but the others have no dedicated camera interface
[14:08] <qdk> PiPower: Perhaps some cam application with more power than PI1 makes the Pi2 shine.
[14:09] <qdk> But you still have the very slow and shared bus.
[14:10] <PiPower> Yes, I think the hummingboard has the best price/performance for vision apps
[14:10] <teclo-> ouch element14.com seems down
[14:10] <teclo-> ah now it's up
[14:12] <qdk> PiPower: humming is like $70 entry level, isnt it? seems expensive.
[14:12] <Stanto> teclo-, yeah it's bouncing a bit
[14:13] <teclo-> hum does element14.com ship rapsberry pis ? Or does it just give you a link to sellers who ship it ?
[14:13] <PiPower> If you are a business customer they ship it
[14:14] <teclo-> because the redirect me to some site where they don't know yet about the Pi 2
[14:14] <PiPower> http://be.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi-2-modb-1gb/sbc-raspberry-pi-2-model-b-1gb/dp/2461029
[14:14] <a7x> are there any informations about the BUS? still in common between eth and usb?
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[14:14] <a7x> any news at all? :P
[14:14] <PiPower> Its out of stock though
[14:15] <PiPower> Still the same chip it looks like
[14:15] <ali1234> steve_rox: if you recover old 18650s, how do you tell if they are dead?
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[14:18] <Jusii> teclo-: i've noticed before that farnell (element14) takes some time to replicate their country specific sites. Farnell UK just shipped my RPi 2's
[14:19] <teclo-> Jusii: ah
[14:19] <teclo-> I think I'm gonna buy from rs-online.com
[14:21] <Jusii> although they still showed out of stock
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[14:22] <arrakian> just see this on twitter.... https://twitter.com/element14/status/562226878615142400
[14:23] <pwillard> Meh... I just ordered one... I can wait...
[14:25] <teclo-> so, because element14.com is down... they sell the Pi 2s on a bicycle ? heh
[14:27] <pwillard> I'm much more interested in the British Charcuterie :-P
[14:27] <Stanto> teclo-, give them away for free
[14:27] <teclo-> hm British Charcuterie that doesn't sound good
[14:27] <Stanto> :P
[14:27] <ali1234> teclo-: that's the bicycle they normally use to power the webservers
[14:27] <pwillard> haha
[14:27] <pwillard> sad but true
[14:27] <teclo-> Stanto: yeah sorry they *give away* Pi2 ;)
[14:28] <Stanto> uh, ok.
[14:28] <teclo-> I bet Sir Clive Sinclair was also riding a bicycle
[14:29] <Aldem> What was the name of one of the soundcard for the Rb+ again ?
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[14:29] <Aldem> Also, hi !
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[14:31] <Stanto> Aldem, it's the Cirrus Logic Audio Card
[14:31] <Aldem> No, I mean, the external one that you can plug on the top
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[14:34] <Smither> Yeh the cirrus logic, this one? www.element14.com/Cirrus-Audio-Card‎
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[14:37] <arrakian> Shame i am in different country, i would go and find that guy
[14:38] <Aldem> arrakian: ?
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[14:38] <Aldem> Smither: 404 here :(
[14:38] <arrakian> Aldem, talking about dude on a bike with all that PI
[14:39] <Aldem> arrakian: Ah
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[14:40] <pwillard> yeah... I'm in Atlanta... no good for me either
[14:43] <arrakian> Yeah and they are not selling them, they are giving them away
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[14:46] <teclo-> hmmm now that I'm looking a the case for me Raspberry Pi B... I can see the Raspberry Pi 2 will never filt
[14:46] <teclo-> fit*
[14:47] <teclo-> there's that second block of USB ports
[14:47] <shiftplusone> oh, definitely not then
[14:47] <shiftplusone> I thought you had a b+
[14:48] <teclo-> no a B
[14:48] <teclo-> sorry
[14:49] <teclo-> and it seems rs-online doesn't sell cases
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[14:50] <teclo-> oh damnit element14.com, once it works, once it fails
[14:52] <Hexxeh> any word on memory bandwidth benchmarks for RPi2?
[14:52] <shiftplusone> Hexxeh, I think gordonDrogon said it was 2x faster, but I'm not sure
[14:53] <shiftplusone> I can boot up a pi 2 and run some sort of benchmark for you. Got a command to try?
[14:53] <teclo-> shiftplusone: hmmm there on pollin.de I don't see cases for the Raspberry Pi 2... bu they got cases fo r the raspberry pi B+ .... will that fit ?
[14:53] <Hexxeh> shiftplusone: there was some tool that we used on RPi1 but I can't remember what it was, probably best if I find that to get a good comparison
[14:53] <shiftplusone> teclo-, most b+ cases should fit, but there's a difference. I'd wait until it says it's pi2 compatible.
[14:54] <teclo-> shiftplusone: indeed, better wait a few weeks...
[14:54] <shiftplusone> cases aren't exactly essential
[14:54] <shiftplusone> Well, I like to have a case since my desk is covered in shiny metals things which occasionally short the pi
[14:54] <teclo-> essentials, no
[14:55] <IT_Sean> But they do make it easier to mount the Pi somewhere, and they do protect it from accidental shorts.
[14:56] <Hexxeh> shiftplusone: can't find the same one, but "mbw" debian package seems to do a benchmark
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[14:57] <shiftplusone> Cool... will update the firmware and let you know in a few minutes.
[14:57] <Hexxeh> thanks!
[14:58] <teclo-> which one should I choose: Edimax... SP2101W or SP1101W ?
[14:58] <shiftplusone> bah... need to flash a new card.
[14:58] <Hexxeh> I'll have my own board in a couple hours, but I'm itching to find out whether a new OS I want to port is viable... :)
[14:58] <shiftplusone> Ew-7811un
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[14:58] <shiftplusone> chromeos or something else?
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[14:58] <Hexxeh> Strictly Chromium OS, but yeah
[14:59] <shiftplusone> ah
[14:59] <NGC3982> Is there any downside on running RPI in what RaspBMC calls "Super" overclock configuration?
[14:59] <NGC3982> I mean, it can't really be heat?
[14:59] <shiftplusone> NGC3982, it may or may not work. Heat isn't an issue.
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[14:59] <Hexxeh> I like it when new hardware gets released, it's a challenge to get Chromium OS going within the first 24 hours
[14:59] <NGC3982> Perhaps data corruption risk might increase?
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[14:59] <shiftplusone> NGC3982, doubt it. It will either work or it won't.
[14:59] <NGC3982> I see.
[15:00] <NGC3982> Oh well. Always worth a try.
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[15:03] <teclo-> shiftplusone: that hing: http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MTU5NjcyOTk-/Computer_und_Zubehoer/Netzwerktechnik/Wireless_LAN_Router/WLAN_USB_Stick_EDIMAX_EW_7811UAC_AC_600_600_Mbps.html ?
[15:03] <shiftplusone> Haven't seen one with a novelty sized antenna like that.
[15:04] <shiftplusone> And the one I used wasn't AC
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[15:11] <onla> when will there be version that has some 4gb ram cus thats what I have on my desktop PC and would have liked to replace it
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[15:11] <onla> with a small portable quiet cheap
[15:12] <shiftplusone> not any time soon
[15:12] <onla> 2 years?
[15:12] <shiftplusone> doubt it
[15:12] <shiftplusone> but if I knew, I couldn't say anyway.
[15:14] <onla> how come latest mobile phones can fit more memory
[15:14] <onla> or can they hm
[15:14] <shiftplusone> because they don't cost $35
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[15:15] <onla> oh, right :)
[15:16] <onla> if I wanted to a sbc with just some more like 4gb, I could find one maybe for higher price, but it wouldnt have the same community as with Pi I guess?
[15:16] <shiftplusone> Hexxeh, http://paste.debian.net/143554/
[15:16] <onla> +buy
[15:17] <shiftplusone> onla, you're better off buying a PC then.
[15:17] <onla> but the other specs are decent enough
[15:17] <onla> for running multiple tabs on a web browser
[15:17] <onla> the basic usage for many
[15:18] <shiftplusone> I still think you're after a PC
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[15:18] <onla> if pi2 had 4gb ram, I wouldnt have ok experience with some debian or ubuntu and some 10 chrome tabs?
[15:19] <shiftplusone> no
[15:19] <onla> why would it be slow
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[15:19] <shiftplusone> not so much slow, just impossible.
[15:19] <onla> it would
[15:19] <onla> o.O
[15:19] <shiftplusone> Is there an armv7 chrome build?
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[15:20] <onla> oh I dont know. I thought it is just enough if the OS has the appropriate build
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[15:21] <onla> so there should be a web browser that has been optimized for that too ok :)
[15:21] <shiftplusone> and if by ubuntu, you also mean unity and all that.... then extra no.
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[15:21] <onla> naah, I could run lubuntu or debian
[15:22] <shiftplusone> ah... well, it's worth a try, but I don't have interest in it yet.
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[15:23] <shiftplusone> Hmm.... could someone post the output of 'mbw 100' (after installing mbw) from a non-overclocked pi 1?
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> Pi v2 is 3x faster.
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> than a 900Mhz Pi 1.
[15:26] <shiftplusone> would be nice to see a benchmark result of both though
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> will upload them - hang on.
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[15:27] <antoon> Wow, good job gordonDrogon
[15:27] <shiftplusone> what are you using to test?
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[15:27] <Hix> anyone used PoE for the Pi? Thinking of using a 19v power block and then just using an LM7805 at the Pi end. Cable run of <50m. Think it'd be fine?
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mbw1.txt and http://unicorn.drogon.net/mbw2.txt
[15:28] <shiftplusone> ooh, nice.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Hix, use an SMPS version of the 7809 - at 19v a linear 7809 will get *very* hot.
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> *7805
[15:29] <Hix> was going to ask :)
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> is one I've used in the past. there is another similar a few quid cheaper but I don't have the link to hand.
[15:30] <shiftplusone> heh... recently saw a video where a guy was using a 12v portable drill battery to power 12v things. When the battery is charged, it's more like 20v, so he used a linear regulator the first time he tried it..... it obviously didn't work for long.
[15:30] <Hix> cheers gordonDrogon
[15:30] <Hix> hmm "Input Voltage DC Max: 18V" but then cable losses should see that right.
[15:30] <willmore> gordonDrogon, if you have a moment, could you do an 'openssl speed' for me, please?
[15:31] <willmore> Lots of cheap 35-40V buck regulators on eBay, FWIW.
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[15:32] <Hix> I randomly put off ordering 2 x Pi B+ yesterday. Imagine my surprise this morning when I went to order :D massive bonus!
[15:32] <shiftplusone> I feel bad for the guys who ordered b+s recently
[15:32] <willmore> Hix, you got lucky. :) I see a lot of people saying the opposite.
[15:32] <mpmc> shiftplusone: I did :/
[15:32] <willmore> ^^
[15:32] <shiftplusone> or rather, I feel bad for the people who'll be processing the returns.
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> willmore, running it now ...
[15:32] <willmore> gordonDrogon, thank you!
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[15:33] <Hix> procrastination ftw
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[15:33] <mpmc> Nothing wrong with the old Pi's TBH, still do their jobs fine :)
[15:33] <willmore> I have a spreadsheet where I compare a bunch of devices using that as a benchmark and having the pi2 would be a bonus. I can't get any of the odroid people to get me C1 data, though. :(
[15:33] <willmore> Yep, I'm with mpmc.
[15:33] <willmore> Plenty of work to be done all around.
[15:33] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I'm still using my pi 1 even though I have pi2s available.
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mbw1-700.txt
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> diff. from 700 Pi 1 to 900 Pi1 isn't much, but I've not OCd the memort by much.
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[15:34] <Stanto> 700 to 900 isn't much, but there're four of them
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[15:34] <Stanto> on the pi2 at least
[15:34] <willmore> Yeah, it's that last 1GHz overclock that cranks up all the knobs that really made a lot of difference for my stuff.
[15:34] <mpmc> Element14 is seriously struggling lol, rs is just about managing..
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[15:35] * willmore will wait until I can get pi2's with free shipping for list price from Newegg.
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> the trick is writing code to make use of more than 1 processor - without saturating memory bandwidth.
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[15:35] <willmore> gordonDrogon, cache, cache, cache, cache...
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> openssl speed still running.
[15:37] <shiftplusone> yeah.... that seems to take a while O_o
[15:37] <shiftplusone> but all the results so far seem to be 3.02s
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[15:37] <shiftplusone> oh, nvrm
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> pi1: Doing md4 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 495623 md4's in 2.99s --- pi2: Doing md4 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 965932 md4's in 3.00s
[15:38] <shiftplusone> I guess it runs all tests for 3 seconds so.... duh.
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[15:39] <willmore> Yeah, it does a "how much can I do in X time" thing instead of a 'how long to run X thing' type of benchmark. :)
[15:39] <willmore> Takes a while depending on what all it options it was built with.
[15:39] <willmore> The full blown version on normal distros has dozens of things in it.
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[15:40] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's still going. onto the 10s tests now.
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> my compiles appeared to be up to nine times faster with -j5
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[15:43] <willmore> Yay!
[15:43] <willmore> Hopefully you're not doing that at the same time. :)
[15:43] <shiftplusone> heh... 'pindows'
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> er, no - not comiling on it. just checked the temperature - using the scientific back of finger method. cold.
[15:44] <shiftplusone> k, kernel7 is available through rpi-update now.,
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[15:46] <willmore> gordonDrogon, careful, that's how I got my 2n2222 'tattoo'.
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> heh...
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> I burn myself more on my ovens now )-:
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> openssl speed still still running
[15:47] <shiftplusone> willmore, do you have results from a pi1?
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> hope I have enough scroll back to capture it..
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> I've doing pi1 at the same time...
[15:48] <shiftplusone> I did | pastebinit, but the output doesn't seem to be going to stdout.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> some tests are not that faster - I'm guessing they're cpu bound rather than memory bound.
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[15:48] <shiftplusone> definitely enough scrollback though
[15:49] <shiftplusone> I get the impression that those tests are only using one core
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/openssl-speed-pi2.txt
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> that's just the summary I think.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> pi1 will be done in a few moments.
[15:50] <shiftplusone> http://paste.debian.net/plain/143559
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> missed some of it - reload the page.
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> hm. is yours OCd, shiftplusone ?
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> it appears a bit faster.
[15:52] <shiftplusone> nope, stock
[15:52] <willmore> shiftplusone, sure.
[15:52] <shiftplusone> willmore, nvrm, gordon was running a pi1 test as well.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/openssl-speed-pi1.txt
[15:52] <willmore> gordonDrogon, yeah, sorry, it's sort of stupidly using stderr.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> hope those numbers mean something :)
[15:53] <shiftplusone> not much of an improvement, it seems.
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> to me the speedup isn't much - possibly due to single threaded code and it all being very tight cpu loops that won't see much advantage to the increased memory bandwidth.
[15:54] <shiftplusone> some are ~2 times better, others are almost the same.
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[15:54] <shiftplusone> running htop.... yeah, only one core is at 100%
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> I still prefer old top
[15:56] <willmore> Is that a normal raspbian distro you're using or is it a recompiled armv7 one, gordonDrogon?
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> raspbian.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> what it came with pre-installed.
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[15:56] <willmore> Ahh, so it's arm6hf, not arm7. That's going to make a big difference.
[15:56] <shiftplusone> good point
[15:56] <willmore> Thank you for the data. I'll get them in the spreadsheet.
[15:56] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[15:56] <shiftplusone> Do those sort of things take advantage of NEON? Could be 20x faster then.
[15:57] <willmore> You're really going to want a native build for the pi2 to really start to shine.
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> that means either duplicating raspbian or migrating foundation world into debian..
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[15:58] <shiftplusone> well, it's either leaving pi1 behind or maintaining 2 images.
[15:58] <shiftplusone> leaving pi 1 behind is not an option
[15:58] <willmore> shiftplusone, looking at the docs, looks like a stright up vector extension. So, most everything you want to do repeatedly to data in parallel.
[15:58] <willmore> I've never used it, though.
[15:59] <willmore> shiftplusone, I don't see it being that drastic.
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[15:59] <shiftplusone> Maintaining 2 images is an option that's currently on the table, but we'd like to see some benchmarks proving it's required.
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[15:59] <willmore> Heck, it should be easy. Just use stock debian for the pi2 except add in the pi specific bits.
[15:59] <shiftplusone> willmore, seems to be in the case of ffmpeg.
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[16:00] <shiftplusone> willmore, yup... that's why it's on the table =P
[16:00] <willmore> shiftplusone, that it speeds it up or that it doesn't play with distros?
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[16:00] <shiftplusone> speeds it up
[16:01] <willmore> The point of raspbian was that everyone had left arm6 behind, so, if you have to build your own distro, might as well go the full distance and do 'hf' as well. But, if you're just standard arm7, well, save the effort. ;)
[16:01] <willmore> shiftplusone, roger. I would expect any kind of signal processing would love NEON.
[16:01] <willmore> Some crypto, but not much. It could, I guess, but it would take a lot of hand tweaking.
[16:02] <willmore> Looking at the instructions in NEON really screams "signal processing". Lots of saturating ops. Lower precision ops, estimates....
[16:03] <shiftplusone> I've seen that it helps a lot with emulation as well.
[16:03] <shiftplusone> So I suspect that optimized emulators will run quite nicely on the pi 2
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> designed for modems.
[16:03] <willmore> I wonder if there's already an Opus asm fork...
[16:03] <willmore> shiftplusone, game emulation? That seems to be something that people get excited about. I don't quite get it.
[16:03] <pythonirc101> where in the us is the pi 2 available?
[16:03] <willmore> gordonDrogon, NEON, you mean?
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> maybe just compile specific applications and provide the neon libraries. in the early days I was compiling with the hardfp options under the initial debian and it worked fine.
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[16:04] * gordonDrogon finds the shift KEY
[16:04] <willmore> pythonirc101, yeah, but you have to wrestle it from gordonDrogon's hands.
[16:04] <Rickta59> so now that there is a multi cpu version .. I've searched around trying to find if anyone has setup an OS where you can run realtime code on one chip and have the other 3d run linux .. is that even possible?
[16:04] <Rickta59> one core i should say
[16:04] <willmore> Rickta59, no.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> willmore, signal processing type instructions, etc. make good software modems for things like ... oh, gsm phones, etc.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> Rickta59, maybe - the issue is the memory lock.
[16:05] <willmore> gordonDrogon, yep, for that. Takes a P90 worth of CPU to do GSM baseband--IIRC. But, with specialized instructions, that's a lot easier.
[16:06] <Rickta59> does each core share the cpu?
[16:06] <Rickta59> does each core share the memory
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> the cpu has 4 cores.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> one memory.
[16:06] <Rickta59> ah
[16:06] <Rickta59> oik
[16:06] <willmore> There is no hard realtime when caches and SMP are involved.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> there is L2 cache, but I don' know enough about the architecture to know if its shared or per processor.
[16:07] <willmore> gordonDrogon, unless they did something special, it's shared.
[16:07] <willmore> For A7's at least.
[16:07] <willmore> Then again, it's Broadcom and they're pretty much the definition of 'special'.
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time I built supercomputers...
[16:08] <Rickta59> heh .. back then 1GHz would have been considered super? : )
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[16:08] <gordonDrogon> back then... 77Mhz was super.
[16:09] <Rickta59> so the new broadcom chip doesn't have any dedicated cpu like the PRU in the BBB?
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> ~20 years ago.
[16:09] <clever> hmmm, forums are 'down'
[16:09] <willmore> Rickta59, not that has been announced.
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[16:09] <willmore> Hmm, '95, let's see, I think I still had my 40MHz AMD 386 system.
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[16:10] <Rickta59> amazing price points today $35 for what would have been a $3k machine in the 90s
[16:10] <Rickta59> * at the rpi 2
[16:10] <willmore> 4MB of RAM and 256KB of cache. (had to think about the units for a bit)
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[16:10] <willmore> Yep.
[16:11] <Rickta59> yeah i don't even want to think about the stupid money I've spent on a < 250MHz intel machines
[16:11] <willmore> Oh, well, time to start the day. Thanks gordonDrogon.
[16:11] * willmore glances lovingly at his 500MHz 21264 Alpha box.
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[16:12] <willmore> Good time, baby, good times...
[16:12] <shiftplusone> hmm.... just played around with the browser on a pi2.... it's usable D=
[16:12] <Rickta59> how long as the pi2 been out?
[16:12] <clever> shiftplusone: gmail usable? lol
[16:12] <steve_rox> the gpu accelrate done?
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> chromium on the B was usable. for the patient.
[16:12] <Rickta59> i just noticed it today
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[16:13] <xreal> does Android4 run on Android?
[16:13] <xreal> wtf
[16:13] <xreal> does Android4 run on RPi ?
[16:13] <shiftplusone> no
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[16:13] <steve_rox> i dont think they wanna give us android
[16:13] <shiftplusone> Hmm... trying chromium now.
[16:13] <willmore> Rickta59, today.
[16:13] <xreal> Even Windows 10 will run on RPI v2 :D
[16:14] <shiftplusone> not the windows 10 you're thinking of
[16:14] <willmore> Jeebers Crisp!
[16:14] <Draylor> oh sure, with everything cut out of it
[16:14] <clever> shiftplusone: any idea when the forums will be back?
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[16:14] <Draylor> it'll likely be little more than winphone10
[16:14] <xreal> Why are there images for BananaPi & Co.? Is it because of the GPU ?
[16:14] <shiftplusone> clever, when all the cores aren't pegged at 100%
[16:14] <clever> lol
[16:14] <Elezium> http://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/Windows-Developer-Program-for-IoT
[16:15] <willmore> shiftplusone, doesn't yours go to 110?
[16:15] <clever> better shove more pi's into the server array! lol
[16:15] <xreal> https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support
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[16:15] <willmore> "Can I have 'things I never would want' for $1000, Alex?"
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[16:15] <kisak> if I were to get a RPI 2, would I be able to pull the microsd from my RPI and boot the armv6-optimized distros I have?
[16:16] <clever> main issue i can forsee with windows on the pi, getting the input layer done up right
[16:16] <clever> under android, i can easily modify the kernel to configure some gpio as arrow keys, and then it just works
[16:16] <shiftplusone> kisak, yes, as long as you have kernel7.img
[16:16] <clever> (as well as pi android works, last i used it)
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[16:16] <antoon> I asked that too, kisak. The answer I got was it needs kernel7.img
[16:16] <antoon> gah
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[16:17] <willmore> I shudder to think what question must have been asked when the answer is "needs more Windows."
[16:17] <kisak> is kernel7.img I need to build, or is that expected to be shipped by common distros
[16:17] <shiftplusone> using gmail in chromium on a pi2.... feels the same as the desktop
[16:18] <clever> kisak: i suspect rpi-update will just give you one, havent looked yet
[16:18] <shiftplusone> actually, no... scrolling lags a fair bit
[16:18] <clever> shiftplusone: heh, gmail on firefox can cripple my 8core 4ghz desktop
[16:18] <shiftplusone> oh, only initially... fine now
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[16:18] <willmore> shiftplusone, when you say it's like the desktop, you mean.... ;)
[16:19] <shiftplusone> it doesn't feel like I'm browsing the internet on a pi...
[16:19] <willmore> Okay.
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[16:20] <shiftplusone> youtube is quite laggy though (not trying to play the video, just load the site)
[16:20] <shiftplusone> but cpu is hanging around 25-50%
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[16:21] <meowrobot> shiftplusone: have you tried the mobile site?
[16:21] <willmore> shiftplusone, % CPU use can be confusing on multi-core machines--especially for unthreaded apps.
[16:22] <shiftplusone> meowrobot, is there a URL I can use, or would I need to spoof the agent string?
[16:22] <meowrobot> i think m.youtube.com?
[16:22] <meowrobot> let me see
[16:22] <shiftplusone> redirects to desktop
[16:22] <meowrobot> oh bleh, you may have to spoof yeah
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[16:23] <clever> willmore: its more confusing when some task managers will say 400% at max, and others say 100%
[16:23] <clever> its hard to get a feel until it goes over 100
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[16:23] <shiftplusone> any other tests people want to see?
[16:24] <willmore> Yeah, I remember my first SMP boxes. Different brands chose different schemes on that front.
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[16:24] <clever> windows task manager actualy does both, at the same time
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[16:25] <willmore> shiftplusone, I'm good for now, thanks. I'll go see what armv6 vs v7 does for openssl.
[16:25] <niston> so its official?
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[16:26] <shiftplusone> niston, what, pi2?
[16:26] * niston nods
[16:26] <shiftplusone> yup
[16:26] <niston> :)
[16:27] <Draylor> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/windows_10_raspberry_pi_2_eben_upton_interview/ couple of nice windows quotes in there given the chat 10mins ago
[16:27] <Draylor> it doesnt actually say anything, of course, but nice quotes regardless :P
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[16:30] * niston feels very avantgarde
[16:31] * shiftplusone grabs a dictionary
[16:32] <niston> [...] "Having Visual Studio as the development platform for appliance-like use of Raspberry Pi is really cool."
[16:32] <niston> indeed it is.
[16:33] <Draylor> yup
[16:34] <Draylor> but saying 'runs windows' and nothing more at this stage will lead to interesting expectations
[16:34] <Draylor> dreams of desktop IE / Office / etc :)
[16:34] <niston> well
[16:34] <niston> https://niston.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/cross-platform-development/
[16:34] <niston> :P
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[16:35] <j416> will the original camera module work with the R2?
[16:35] <shiftplusone> yup
[16:35] <j416> shiftplusone: that answer was for me?
[16:35] <shiftplusone> yup
[16:35] <j416> cool, thanks
[16:36] <shiftplusone> np
[16:36] <j416> should I order the camera module?
[16:36] <Draylor> hi and welcome to minimalism day
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[16:36] <shiftplusone> j416, only if you want one.
[16:36] <j416> shiftplusone: I was hoping you could just tell me yes
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[16:36] <j416> because I've no idea if I need one
[16:36] * j416 orders
[16:36] <shiftplusone> then yes.
[16:37] <j416> :D
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[16:37] <niston> shiftplusone: any rumors about an upgraded CM ?
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> niston, it's coming, but not soon.
[16:38] <shiftplusone> I think
[16:38] * niston is pleased to hear
[16:38] <niston> (or read) :P
[16:38] <shiftplusone> A pi2 model A should be pretty nice, but that's not happening any time soon either
[16:39] <niston> OTOH, the RPi2 wasn't to happen before 2017
[16:39] <niston> or so someone quoted somewhere on the internet xD
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[16:40] <Hix> anyone know how the boot time has been affected with the 2?
[16:40] <shiftplusone> yes, that's a thing eben said off the top of his head in an interview and people ran with it >_<
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[16:40] <shiftplusone> Hix, I think the make article said it reduced from 40 seconds to 20 seconds. Haven't timed it myself though.
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[16:41] <doomlord_1> i'm surprised the rpi2 took so long
[16:41] <Hix> hmm. I have been looking at making a trail cam with one. Wanted to use an ATmega328 for monitoring and then switch the pi on to record video. Boot time has always ruled that out though
[16:42] <niston> Hix there's room for optimization
[16:43] <shiftplusone> Hix, you can get pretty much instant boot if you roll your own distro or use buildroot
[16:43] <shiftplusone> maybe ~5 seconds with buildroot
[16:43] <Hix> hmm nice
[16:44] <zlimvos> doomlord_1: it has to do with a graph showing the earning from 1. (could be the case they needed the funds for the release of 2)
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[16:44] <pythonirc101> whats the power requirement for the pi2?
[16:44] <doomlord_1> i imagine it could ahve been kickstartered;
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[16:44] <pvl1> is it possible that my pi isnt loading ethernet bc the power supply si too weak?
[16:45] <shiftplusone> pythonirc101, I don't think there's an official answer yet, but at idle it's pretty much the same as a pi b+ and maybe goes to something like the pi1 model b when usage goes up.
[16:45] <MattDs17> hi guys, does anybody have experience with the t-shaped GPIO board for the B+?
[16:46] <shiftplusone> MattDs17, what about it?
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[16:46] <shiftplusone> you're talking about the breadboard adapters, right?
[16:46] <MattDs17> I'm a little confused with a few things about it. and yes
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[16:47] <MattDs17> So it's got the 3.3v column on the left side with + and - ... what's the difference between using this and the actual 3.3v pin on the main part of the board with a ground pin?
[16:48] <Hix> will raspivid still run under buildroot? Obv as long as it is installed
[16:48] <shiftplusone> Hix, yes
[16:48] <Hix> sweet
[16:48] <shiftplusone> MattDs17, probably nothing.
[16:49] <MattDs17> Mk. I'm new to breadboards and stuff, so the ground is kind of equivalent to -? or is it +?
[16:49] <Hix> ah excellent there is #buildroot too. That'll help share the inane questions out :)
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[16:49] <MattDs17> I guess since current flows negative to positive ground would be + actually...
[16:50] <shiftplusone> err.... don't think about it like that.
[16:50] <ali1234> MattDs17: electrons flow negative to positive. current flows positive to negative
[16:50] <MattDs17> Right. I'm in HS physics right now so it's still a little grey in my mind haha
[16:50] <shiftplusone> (conventional current vs electron flow)
[16:51] <shiftplusone> originally, the +/- was just a guess, so current direction was decided arbitrarily. Later they found out that the electrons flow opposite of how current flow was defined.
[16:52] <pvl1> thats so weird. my laptop evidently supplies more power than this usb brick
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[16:57] <MattDs17> is it safe to be plugging/unplugging the pi just to test a circuit out, our is it okay to swap things on the fly?
[16:57] <shiftplusone> only if you know what you're doing.
[16:57] <shiftplusone> be sure to unplug ground last.
[16:57] <shiftplusone> (and plug it in first)
[16:58] <shiftplusone> for blinkenlights and such, it doesn't really matter.
[16:58] <MattDs17> ok, makes sense. just working with LED atm
[16:59] <MattDs17> so I can just keep the pi plugged in as long as I'm keeping it grounded with resistors and whatnot?
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[17:27] <anunnaki> am i able to install raspbian and raspbmc dual boot on the 8gb sd card? or will i have virtually no space to install other packages
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[17:27] <shiftplusone> anunnaki, why would you want both if raspbmc is meant to be like raspbian with xbmc?
[17:28] <shiftplusone> openelec doesn't take up much space at all though
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[17:30] <nirokato> anunnaki: I would recommend you check out BerryBoot. You most cerainly load raspbian and raspbmc on an 8GB sd card.
[17:30] <nirokato> http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[17:31] <shiftplusone> so can NOOBS, but it's a pointless thing to do.
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[17:31] <nirokato> The nice think about berryboot is you can offload the OS to an external USB drive
[17:31] <nirokato> and it's all wrapped in an easy to use gui
[17:31] <nirokato> s/think/thing/
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[17:40] <nirokato> shiftplusone: I agree with you about raspbian + raspbmc dual boot being somewhat redundant. Raspbmc is Raspbian + XBMC, so why would you need a separate Raspbian OS right? I can think of a couple scenarios. Using Raspbian as a build/dev environment for Raspbmc and Raspbmc as the "test box". It would make it easy to keep the two separate.
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[17:43] <anunnaki> I just got the rpi and saw that raspbian didnt have xbmc, and i was able to ssh into raspbian so i can manage my media server. I then installed raspbmc today on its own and didnt see a way to connect to my wifiso i can ssh into it
[17:43] <qubitnerd> whats the new ic under the board ?
[17:43] <Iota> NSA tracking device
[17:43] <qubitnerd> lol
[17:44] <anunnaki> i was also wanting to connect my arduino to it to monitor sensors
[17:44] <pepee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VAlLUd_GnQ
[17:44] <niston> qubitnerd: RAM
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[17:49] <shiftplusone> I'm starting to think the forum is never coming back
[17:49] <shiftplusone> I told them they shouldn't run their server on a pi 2... =/
[17:49] <pepee> http://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support
[17:49] <pepee> lol shiftplusone
[17:49] <ShorTie> patience my young grasshopper
[17:50] <willmore> shiftplusone, Do they need a C1? ;)
[17:50] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> Trying to find sysbench output for a C1 to compare against
[17:53] <willmore> Did you ask on #odroid?
[17:53] <shiftplusone> but their forum isn't loading
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> I suspect they run it on a C1 then
[17:54] <shiftplusone> nuh, it wouldn't be right for me to hang out in #odroid >.>
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[17:55] <willmore> I asked for you. We'll see if anything happens.
[17:55] <willmore> Maybe I'll order one.
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[17:56] <shiftplusone> there we are http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=5118
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[17:58] <ShorTie> thats a U3
[17:58] <shiftplusone> doh
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> the other thread is just about it hanging while running sysbench
[17:59] <shiftplusone> plus I wonder if sysbench will give a bad result anyway, since it's probably armv6 only
[17:59] <shiftplusone> okay, that's it... putting debian on there
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[18:00] <ShadowJK> That thread has misinformation about emmc
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[18:11] <willmore> shiftplusone, the #odroid people say "show me yours first". :)
[18:11] <shiftplusone> heh
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[18:12] <shiftplusone> maybe after I get the debian image going.
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[18:17] <knob> Just saw the announcement for the rPi 2
[18:17] <knob> cool stuff
[18:18] <theugster> I saw it late last night (EST) on The Register and thought it must've been a fake because I couldn't purchase it immediately! :p
[18:18] <shiftplusone> doesn't stop people complaining that it doesn't come with a pony though >_<
[18:18] <knob> shiftplusone, or 16 USB ports... darn it
[18:19] <theugster> Yeah, why doesn't it have PoE and USB 3.0 ports? C'mon guys!
[18:19] <knob> The interesting thing is, that for what I use it... the Model A works just perfectly. Yet I buy the B+ all the time
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[18:19] <knob> I do a little hack of components (external) to get it PoE
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[18:20] <ShadowJK> WHere are the 4 10GBE ports I need!
[18:20] <theugster> That's really what's so great about it, the fact that you CAN do that.
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[18:21] <knob> Oh yeah... super nifty board. And the ones I have live a tough life. They are under the mid-day sun, day in, day out... snapping on jpg per minute, and uploading a .mp4 to a remote server
[18:21] <theugster> Indeed. If we're making requests, I want full power/speed USB 3.1 and fiber channel, and a 4x4 802.11AC radio, and a terabyte of solid state storage!
[18:21] <knob> 24 hours a day...
[18:21] <theugster> knob: Any links or documentation on your project?
[18:21] <knob> and integrated battery... while we are at it
[18:22] <knob> theugster, well... it's a small site I help run.
[18:22] <knob> linky:::
[18:22] <theugster> Snazzy, are Raspi's driving all of these?
[18:22] <knob> And the camera board is superb. Absolutely stunning. Hook that up to a Nikon camera lens... and you have some awesome imagery.
[18:23] <knob> Yes... except one
[18:23] <theugster> That's damn impressive.
[18:23] <knob> still running an old Axis IP camera on that one. The one with the "lowest resolution" image... or "worse image quality"
[18:23] <knob> Thanks!! =)
[18:23] <theugster> Haha, I saw a pigeon!
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[18:24] <knob> I went from 800$ Axis IP cameras, to a 40$ rPi, 30$ camera board... and assorted components... about 120$ for everything, and now I have a full-blown computer. With OpenVPN hooked-up to a central server, so I can remote into them and change whatever I desire.
[18:24] <knob> theugster, haha yes! They love their reflection on the housing's glass.
[18:24] <theugster> Agreed on the camera board, my first one was DOA and I just got around to hooking the new one up a few weeks ago. I wanted to set it up as a pet camera, and I think I was asking too much of it to do 1080p 30fps H264 streaming
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[18:25] <knob> How did you do the streaming? I don't do "streaming" per se... I save a 60 second high-quality clip, upload that to the server, and show that. Every 15 minutes, repeat the process.
[18:25] <ShadowJK> Sparkfun can do a "all the fetures to shut up the whiners" board, why can't rpi foundation? :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex8oY24zycQ
[18:25] <knob> So it isn't "streaming", yet the quality is superb.
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[18:26] <plasmasnake> does anybody know if the new Raspberry Pi 2 supports UHS-I microSD cards? or is it still only up to the vanilla class 10 cards?
[18:26] <plasmasnake> would be nice to get some extra IOPS...
[18:26] <Happzz> i wanna buy the new raspberry pi, but no one has cases in stock, so i thought about getting a case from china. are the cases for the older raspberry pis going to fit?
[18:26] <theugster> Right, it only seems to fall over when I try higher framerates. I was using the UV4L project to stream
[18:27] <plasmasnake> Happzz: i would assume not, since the new one has 4 usb ports
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[18:27] <Happzz> how terrible is it to run that thing without a box for a while?
[18:27] <knob> I know it's not ideal, yet I stick my beach-front rPis into ziplock bags... then close them up with zip-ties. Dang those little boards are impressive.
[18:28] <knob> Happzz, I wouldn't worry about it. They're tough.
[18:28] <theugster> Haha, do you at least throw in some silica packets?
[18:28] <knob> theugster, haha nope.... Just, pray for the bet./
[18:28] <knob> *best
[18:28] <theugster> Livin' on the edge, I like it
[18:28] <Happzz> knob no gentle-electronics issues?
[18:28] <knob> although I do found I have to setup a "ram drive"... the constant videos and jpgs would kill the SD cards.
[18:28] <ShadowJK> lol
[18:28] <knob> Now I allocated 50MB of RAM for the ram drive, and off it went.
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[18:28] <ShadowJK> UHS-I by itself does not provide any extra IOPS
[18:29] <knob> Happzz, well... I don't want to "confirm"... yet, I run mine sometimes on the floor... and they just... they work. No problems.
[18:29] <ShadowJK> That said, most UHS-I cards do have newer and fancier controllers onboard, and do have higher IOPS perfomance. I use UHS-I cards in all my rPi
[18:29] <Happzz> awesome.
[18:29] <theugster> I think I want to move to Puerto Rico now
[18:29] <Happzz> one last thing. do you know if i order the "board"
[18:30] <plasmasnake> ShadowJK: i thought that to be able to use one, the sd card reader needs to support it?
[18:30] <ShadowJK> plasmasnake, no
[18:30] <Happzz> do i get a power supply and whatever? or it's like _just_ the board?
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[18:31] <theugster> Happzz: It's just MicroUSB. Use a phone charger, preferably 5v/1a or more
[18:31] <Happzz> cool. thanks!
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[18:31] <knob> theugster, haha =) let me know if you visit!
[18:31] <theugster> I've run it off the USB ports on my main computer without issue but I've read about them freaking out without a stable power supply
[18:32] <plasmasnake> ShadowJK: interesting... i'm ssh'd into my rpi right now, gonna try to find a way to benchmark the random reads/writes
[18:32] <knob> Happzz, what theugster said. And if you are going to run WiFi, or wireless mouse/kb... or the camera... or a combination of these, try to get something >1000 mA
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[18:32] <ShadowJK> plasmasnake, flashbench
[18:32] <ShadowJK> But it's problematic benchmarking OS drives
[18:33] <ShadowJK> because as soon as OS sees heavy disk activity, it thinks "Oh my gosh, so much disk activity, I need to free up RAM so I can cache more disk", and starts writing and reading stuff to disk itself
[18:34] <plasmasnake> oh, so there's no reliable way to benchmark the sd card from the rpi itself?
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[18:35] <ShadowJK> You'd have to use one of those things that changes to running from USB
[18:35] <plasmasnake> ah
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[18:38] <pepee> they should have added eMMC support...
[18:40] <ShadowJK> Some emmc chips would probably work if you ripped out the microsd slot and soldered in the emmc instead
[18:40] <ShadowJK> emmc provided soldered in by rpi foundation would probably result in many flamewars
[18:41] <ShadowJK> The group of people whining "But SD card only costs X per gigabyte!" vs "Why did you use such a slow emmc!"
[18:41] <pepee> lol
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[18:42] <plasmasnake> lol
[18:42] <plasmasnake> they do use emmc on the compute boards
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[18:45] <pepee> is the LAN still running through the USB port?
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[18:45] <shiftplusone> the only thing that has changes is the memory and cpu
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[18:52] <Hasselsaurus> so if I "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" my running raspbian image, that will run on a Pi 2?
[18:53] <shiftplusone> Not yet, I think. An rpi-update might be required, but I'm not 100% sure.
[18:53] <shiftplusone> check when the raspberrypi-bootloader package was last updated
[18:55] <Hasselsaurus> neat, i just did that
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[18:56] <shiftplusone> woo... running debian armhf on a pi 2
[18:56] <theugster> Shouldn't it work without doing any updates? I'm not terribly familiar with ARM but does it need different firmware for V7 from V6?
[18:56] <shiftplusone> theugster, different kernel
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[18:58] <theugster> Gotcha
[18:58] <Milhouse> Apparently the Slice will be upgradeable to the Pi2 compute module for a small fee, which is nice.
[18:59] <niston> pin compatibility... yay!
[18:59] <Milhouse> yep
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[19:00] <Milhouse> Hasselsaurus: If you run rpi-update on your Pi1, it will install the Pi2 kernel, so you can swap your SD card between Pi1 and Pi2
[19:00] <pepee> did you do any benchmarks, Milhouse ? or, have you seen any?
[19:01] <pepee> also, did you try the vc4 open-source driver?
[19:01] <Milhouse> Not really, it's a bit pointless... just numbers
[19:01] <Milhouse> No, haven't tried that
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[19:02] <pepee> ah, thanks
[19:03] <Milhouse> theugster: The firmware is common between Pi1 and Pi2, but the kernels are different
[19:03] <Milhouse> Also there are various kernel modules (/lib/modules) that are best compiled for the arch and rpi-update handles this automatically.
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[19:07] <shiftplusone> looks like the raspberrypi-bootloader package is up to date... no need for rpi-update.
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[19:09] <theugster> Aha, so rpi-update downloads the new kernel and allows you to swap, got it! Also, Slice looks really neat, hadn't seen that!
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[19:12] <shiftplusone> rpi-update shouldn't be used
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[19:16] <Hix> *ears prick-up I too want to update an SD for my pi2 when it drops tomorrow
[19:16] <theugster> Whoa there buddy
[19:16] <Milhouse> Yes, you'll have two kernels in your FAT partition, kernel.img (Pi1) and kernel7.img (Pi2)
[19:17] <Milhouse> apt-get might work too, i just know that rpi-update works as i ran it earlier today to test this very scenario :)
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[19:18] <shiftplusone> apt-get does work
[19:19] <Hix> so having run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" on Sunday I should be cool then?
[19:19] <niston> everywhere pppl are ordring RPi2's
[19:19] <Hix> just dd if... the image to a new card
[19:19] <Hasselsaurus> @thanks Milhouse!
[19:20] <Milhouse> Hix: Yes
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[19:20] <Milhouse> If it doesn't work, you'll get the rainbow splash screen when you boot the Pi2. Just go back to the Pi1 until the problem is sorted...
[19:21] <Syliss> anyone work for pac-west aka tnci or know someone who does?
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[19:22] <Hix> cool cheers Milhouse
[19:22] <theugster> Milhouse: Are overclocking options still available?
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[19:25] <Tinkerton> Hi folks
[19:25] <shiftplusone> hey
[19:26] * Tachyon` wonders whether to call shiftplusone pling or bang
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[19:26] <shiftplusone> exclamation mark, thank you.
[19:26] <Tachyon`> too long -.o
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[19:27] <Tachyon`> are you in a commonwealth country?
[19:27] <shiftplusone> That's why I shortened it to shiftplusone. >.>
[19:27] <abnormal> lol
[19:27] <shiftplusone> I'm Australian, working in the UK right now.
[19:27] <Tachyon`> ahh
[19:27] <abnormal> nce
[19:27] * Tachyon` is planning a move the other way by the end of the year
[19:27] <shiftplusone> good plan
[19:27] <Tinkerton> just call it '!'
[19:28] * qdk (~qdk@ Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[19:28] <Tinkerton> or get a sound clip of the guards in the metal gear solid games....
[19:28] <shiftplusone> heh
[19:33] <shiftplusone> somehow debian 'feels' slower than raspbian O_o
[19:33] <shiftplusone> maybe because I'm expecting it to be faster
[19:33] <taza> On Raspberry Pi?
[19:33] <shiftplusone> pi 2
[19:33] <taza> Ah
[19:33] <taza> Yeah there probably isn't a difference
[19:33] <shiftplusone> rolled an image to try sysbench on.
[19:34] <niston> I want a wetware socket and some microsofts for electrical engineering, kung-fu and firearm handling -.-
[19:34] <taza> Do I need any extra garbage for the Pi2 if my Pi already works fine?
[19:34] <shiftplusone> taza, just the kernel
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> optimised memcpy, etc. ? making raspbian faster?
[19:34] <taza> Raspbian is dead on the Pi2
[19:35] <taza> Ded. No reason to ever touch it.
[19:35] <shiftplusone> I have the memcpy stuff installed (don't know if it's actually loaded and working). I think it's running at the same speed.
[19:35] <theugster> Windows 10 is where it'll be at! /sarcasm
[19:35] <taza> Nah, but Raspbian is still dead.
[19:35] <taza> The BCM2836 is ARMv7, so goodbye Raspbian
[19:36] <shiftplusone> if the performance difference is not enough to justify supporting 2 images, then we're sticking with raspbian.
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[19:36] <shiftplusone> and providing a few extra packages like ffmpeg and pixman for armv7
[19:37] <taza> ... oh, right, people actually download images from the foundation.
[19:37] <shiftplusone> agh, lost sysbench output since pastebinit failed.
[19:37] <pksato> still need a kernel, modules and libs for rpi things.
[19:37] <taza> The only reason I ever did was because of ARMv6.
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[19:37] <abnormal> I love Raspbian, all 5 of my pi's have them...
[19:37] <Robarelli> did element14 die from the pi2?
[19:38] <pksato> A reference OS needs.
[19:38] <shiftplusone> yup
[19:38] <shiftplusone> and rs... and adafruit... and raspberrypi.org
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[19:38] <taza> Pi2 has ARMv7, so it can handle basically half the operating systems out there
[19:38] <theugster> Whew, I'm glad I got my order in early!
[19:38] <Robarelli> i'm just glad that I didn't buy a pi yesterday like I almost did
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[19:39] <taza> I like my B, but I can't claim it didn't need excessive OS tweaking to get working properly
[19:40] <bhez> wouldn't a raspbian image designed for ARMv6 also work on ARMv7? Aren't the CPU instructions backwards compatible?
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[19:40] <pksato> 0141167812
[19:40] <pksato> 0141167812
[19:40] <shiftplusone> bhez, yes, but the question is how much faster is armv7 in general...
[19:40] <pksato> ops, sorry. action on wrong terminal.
[19:40] <Armand> pksato: Not the place to pick up chicks, man.. :P
[19:40] <taza> (props to plugwash, hifi and diederik for handling the heavy lifting on that)
[19:41] <bhez> that's a curious question, shiftplusone.
[19:41] <bhez> I preordered my pi 2 from newark. they expect to ship Feb 16
[19:41] <Armand> Humm.. 12v DC, 30a, 360W.. That should drive a few Pi. :D
[19:42] <shiftplusone> well... memcpy is definitely slower in debian.... I guess the optimized routines don't work
[19:42] <abnormal> what's the link to the new Pi 2?
[19:42] <shiftplusone> but the 'DUMB' method is way faster.
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[19:42] <theugster> bhez: I was gonna say "Dang it, that's so far away!" and then realized it's already February.
[19:43] <bhez> http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi2?CMP=TRC-RPi2-RPiPage
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[19:43] <bhez> the page isn't loading right now though.
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[19:43] <taza> My February: "have fun spending all the money and getting things shoved in every hole and the creation of a few new ones to shove needles into"
[19:43] <taza> (Also nights in the hospital)
[19:43] <theugster> That could've gone in a totally different direction
[19:44] <taza> Yeah, I figured what it sounded like afterwards, so I clarified
[19:45] <taza> Breathing tubes ugh
[19:45] <theugster> ;) In all seriousness though, that sounds pretty awful.
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[19:45] <shiftplusone> derp... I installed raspi-copies-and-fills on an image, but dd'ed the wrong one.
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[19:46] <taza> (They need to run overnight diagnostics to figure out what's breaking down in me right now)
[19:46] <taza> (Which involves wiring in ALL THE SENSORS)
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[19:49] <Robarelli> is $35 the USD price?
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[19:49] <bhez> Robarelli, yes.
[19:49] <CorneliousJD> Hey guys, rather than muck up reddit with another thread, does anyone know if RPi B+ cases will fit new RPi2B? I'm totally new to RPi - just ordered a 2 B
[19:50] <CorneliousJD> Also, do I need to purchase a heatsink set?
[19:50] <crazyLoco> im hoping the cases fit
[19:50] <bhez> they say a b+ case does fit a pi2.
[19:50] <bhez> same form factor
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[19:50] <crazyLoco> i have 2 x B+ … anyone wanna buy a B= :P
[19:50] <abnormal> who is making these boards?
[19:50] <CorneliousJD> Thanks bhez, what do you think about the heatsinks? Needed or just "why not"
[19:51] <ali1234> depends what you're going to do with it i'd say
[19:51] <bhez> CorneliousJD, I had not considered heat sinks yet.
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[19:51] <bhez> never used them on a pi before.
[19:51] <stickyb1t> hi. I am looking to have tightvnc mirror what i can see on the tv srceen, not just give me a discrete session on my laptop. Like what is the default for x11vnc. So i can control my pi on the tv (i don't have a keyboard). I am confused, because i have not used the -viewonly option (perhaps i misunderstand what this should do). Cheers
[19:52] <ali1234> CorneliousJD: the 2 fits in most B+ cases but it is slightly different
[19:52] <stickyb1t> CorneliousJD: fitted a heatsink today -- for overclocking
[19:52] <CorneliousJD> Thanks!
[19:52] <CorneliousJD> If I don't plan to OC I shouldn't need one then?
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[19:52] <CorneliousJD> Found this slick looking case though - http://www.amazon.com/JBtek%C2%AE-Black-Raspberry-Access-Ports/dp/B00ONOKPHC
[19:52] <taza> B+ doesn't need a heatsink period
[19:52] <stickyb1t> CorneliousJD: maybe not. Mine just came with one. Seemed like a good idea.
[19:53] <stickyb1t> taza: what about when overclocking?
[19:53] <taza> Still not
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[19:53] <ozzzy_> well... just when I'm getting out of the pi thing my partner says 'get 2 pi2s, we'll put win10 on them and see if they'll work for astronomy'
[19:53] <Riviera_> what about when too hot?
[19:53] <taza> Unknown about the 2B, needs a lot more testing
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[19:53] <ali1234> CorneliousJD: lol that's blatantly the same mould they use for those dodgy USB power banks
[19:53] <taza> It's impossible to get the B+ too hot with overclocking within any sane limits
[19:54] <stickyb1t> anyone help me out with me out with my tightvnc Q?
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[19:54] <CorneliousJD> ali1234: it looks like a nice case to me though, it's just a case :P
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[19:57] <pksato> 0141167812
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[19:58] <pksato> sorry.
[19:58] <pvl1> stickyb1t: whats ur q
[19:59] <ozzzy_> I think I'll drill a hole in the middle of this B... put a clock movement behind it and some hands on the front and turn it into a clock
[19:59] <abnormal> oh?
[19:59] <abnormal> why?
[19:59] <abnormal> fried?
[19:59] <stickyb1t> pvl1: "I am looking to have tightvnc mirror what i can see on the tv srceen, not just give me a discrete session on my laptop. Like what is the default for x11vnc. So i can control my pi on the tv (i don't have a keyboard). I am confused, because i have not used the -viewonly option (perhaps i misunderstand what this should do). Cheers"
[19:59] <ozzzy_> cause it's broke... busted... it's been 8 days on the road
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[20:00] <shiftplusone> willmore, so did anyone post sysbench results?
[20:00] <abnormal> I see
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[20:01] <pvl1> stickyb1t: just mirror, not control?
[20:01] <pvl1> stickyb1t: why not just use a typical vnc server
[20:02] <pvl1> stickyb1t: from what i understanding, and anyone can (please do) correct me on this... but tightvnc actually instantiates a new x
[20:02] <pvl1> granted there is a way to tell it to vnc the local server
[20:04] <stickyb1t> pvl1: well, with x11vnc, which i am used to, i get visual control of the remote machine -- if you knom what i mean -- what i do is mirrored on the remone machine. With tightvnc, i do indeed seem to get a new session. The reason i want to use it is because all the tutorials use it and tell you how to have it autostart at boot, with no need for ssh.
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[20:04] <clever> pvl1: the 'vncserver' script will spawn a new X server with no real video card, and the vnc protocol available on it
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[20:04] <pvl1> stickyb1t: ^^
[20:04] <clever> internaly, its using x11vnc as the X and vnc server i believe
[20:05] <clever> the next best option is the vnc xorg module, which has to be added to xorg.conf (i dont think there is a pre-compiled version for the pi)
[20:05] <clever> that can control the main display with good performance
[20:05] <Syliss> yay, im so happy i waited to get another pi
[20:05] <pvl1> clever: i think their intention is just to mirror
[20:05] <pvl1> without control
[20:05] <stickyb1t> just to mirror
[20:05] <clever> the worst option (and simplest) is x0vncserver, which basicaly takes a screenshot constantly
[20:06] <clever> then you want either the xorg vnc module, or x0vncserver, and just flip control off at the viewer or server
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[20:06] <clever> x0vncserver consumes a lot more cpu power
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[20:07] <stickyb1t> i would be happy to carry on using x11vnc, but just thought it would be easier -- re all the tutorials -- to use tightvnc. So there isn't a simple flag for it?
[20:07] <clever> x0vncserver is the simplest option, just run x0vncserver passwordfile=~/.vnc/passwd
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[20:10] <stickyb1t> thanks clever
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[20:11] <Syliss> did they change the usb chip on the new one or is there a bottleneck for usb/nic
[20:12] <exobuzz> i dont think there are any changes to usb/nic
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[20:14] <Syliss> bah
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[20:14] <niston> changing the USB chip wouldn't accomplish anything anyways
[20:14] <niston> the controller is in the SoC
[20:15] <pepee> http://regmedia.co.uk/2015/01/30/pi_board_03_big.jpg
[20:15] <pepee> smsc lan9514
[20:17] <Syliss> either way, it will be better than my first run pi
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[20:21] <Gadgetoid> If I have a 1A supply, will it only be 3X? :D
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[20:25] <RoyK> Gadgetoid: I use a 2A supply - a lot of those so-called 1A supplies can't really do 1A
[20:25] <Syliss> i use an ipad charger
[20:26] <RoyK> Gadgetoid: or if they can, sometimes the resistance in the usb cable is far too high
[20:26] <RoyK> Syliss: me too
[20:27] <Gadgetoid> Sparkfun Cerberus and a free USB port is all you need :D
[20:28] <Syliss> i need to buy another one, since they work so well
[20:28] <clever> ive just been running a usb cord into the nearest desktop or laptop
[20:28] <clever> havent had any issue yet
[20:28] <Syliss> i also use mine with a moto lapdock
[20:29] <Syliss> which now has pressure spots on the lcd. so bummed
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[20:29] <clever> i once also ran the pi off the usb jack in my cable box
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[20:39] <pvl1> omg this "1amp
[20:39] <pvl1> " charger
[20:39] <pvl1> i found is complete shit. my laptop gives more power
[20:39] <steve_rox> damn we are getting windows 10 on the rpi2?
[20:39] <RoyK> heh
[20:39] <steve_rox> things get werider all the time
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[20:39] <pvl1> steve_rox: lol no way
[20:39] <steve_rox> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/02/windows_10_raspberry_pi_2_eben_upton_interview/
[20:40] <steve_rox> not sure if its a early april fool or not
[20:40] <pepee> http://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support
[20:40] <pvl1> thats kinda kool
[20:40] <pvl1> im still using linux tho
[20:40] <boston> Hey all, I'm excited about the anouncement today, but I had a question. Will the wolfson audio card work on the raspberrypi 2 model B ? ..or maybe Wolfson might have a new card in the works? Also; does anyone have any first hand experience w/ the Wolfson audio card? -thanks.
[20:41] <steve_rox> it will prob be a crippled ver of windows tho
[20:41] <pepee> it's windows RT
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[20:41] <clever> steve_rox: i'm guessing its the mobile version, for tablets and phones
[20:41] <pvl1> steve_rox: as if theres a version that i can stand using (which is windows xp, and 7)
[20:41] <pvl1> but xp is already droopd
[20:41] <pvl1> dropped
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[20:42] <steve_rox> i know but
[20:42] <steve_rox> wonder if this will get us skype
[20:42] <steve_rox> or something
[20:42] <Malinux> does rasbperry pi 2 support passthrough of dd-hd and dts-hd?
[20:42] <RoyK> pvl1: no such thing as xp for arm :P
[20:43] <pvl1> RoyK: good point, does win7 exist for arm
[20:43] <RoyK> don't think so
[20:43] <RoyK> win8 was the first IIRC
[20:43] <steve_rox> well the windows RT thing was a heavliy crippled version
[20:43] <steve_rox> prob have simular issues
[20:44] <ali1234> Malinux: how would it support pass-through when it has no audio in?
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[20:45] <Malinux> ali1234: it has audio in if you use kodi/xbmc
[20:45] <Malinux> I get audio when I play back videos with rasbperry pi 1
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[20:45] <ali1234> that's not what pass-through means
[20:46] <Malinux> but if rasbperry pi 2 dosen't have any way of getting audio-input, then why should I buy it then? :p
[20:46] <Malinux> ali1234: what does it means then?
[20:46] <Jusii> it has many meanings :)
[20:46] <Malinux> I belived passthrough was sending an audio stream through the device without prosessing it
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[20:46] <ali1234> right
[20:46] <Jusii> Malinux means that will RPi be able to pass the audio stream as is to external decoder
[20:46] <ali1234> raspberry pi has no audio in, therefore you can't do that on any model
[20:46] <Malinux> so does it support passthrough of dd-hd or dts-hd if I send that kind of audio in?
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[20:47] <pvl1> you can use gpio headers to make audio in
[20:47] <Jusii> audio in is the audio source, like video file
[20:47] <Malinux> Jusii: sort of
[20:47] <Malinux> rpi 1 does passthrough dd and dts, but not dts-hd and dd-hd and so on
[20:47] <Jusii> audio passthrough has its own meaning in HTPC
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[20:48] <ozzzy_> who needs audio input
[20:48] <ali1234> "passthrough" means eg your TV which has HDMI in and digital out can passthrough the dts signal even if it cannot decode it
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[20:48] <Malinux> so, does it, or does it not have the capability to passthrough dd-hd and dts-hd? rpi1 does not
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[20:48] <Malinux> ali1234: aureka
[20:48] <Malinux> ali1234: that's what I am asking for
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[20:48] <ali1234> no raspberry pi model has hdmi in, therefore none supports passthrough
[20:49] <Jusii> ali1234: the video or audio file is the 'input'
[20:49] <Malinux> does it just passthrough dd and dts as rpi1, or is there support or passthough of dd-hd and dts-hd? yes or no? or I don't know :)
[20:49] <Malinux> ali1234: My rpi 1 does support passthrough
[20:49] <Malinux> but for dd and dts
[20:49] <Malinux> not but
[20:49] <Malinux> it support passthrough of dd and dts
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[20:50] <Malinux> ali1234: the thing Jusii just say is tru
[20:50] <Malinux> *true
[20:50] <steve_rox> ms must be so desperate for their latest win version so the target whats selling more than surface :-P
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[20:50] <zeta-> website says pi2 released feb _2014_
[20:50] <steve_rox> mind you whats not selling more than that thing
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[20:51] <ali1234> technically if your "passthrough" is a video file then it isn't passthrough at all because the whole point of passthrough is that you can pass out exactly what comes in without touching it
[20:51] <ali1234> however, with a video file it must *always* be decoded
[20:51] <Malinux> whatever
[20:51] <Malinux> no
[20:52] * ozzzy_ wonders what dd and dts are
[20:52] <Malinux> ozzzy_: dd is dolby digital
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[20:52] <Malinux> dts is formerly known as Digital Theater Systems,
[20:52] <ozzzy_> never heard of it
[20:52] <Malinux> ali1234: rpi1 does not decode dd and dts
[20:52] <ozzzy_> ah well
[20:52] <ozzzy_> dolby was what screwed up cassette output
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[20:53] <Malinux> dolby did a lot of things
[20:54] <ozzzy_> that's all I know they've done LOL
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[20:54] <Malinux> ozzzy_: :)
[20:55] <Jusii> ali1234: correct, and with passthrough, it's the external decoder (like in you home theater amplifier) that decodes it
[20:55] <Malinux> ali1234: the thing is, the input is the video file, and if it has a dts-audio-track it passthrough the audio to my surround amplifeier who decodes it
[20:55] <Jusii> RPi ( in this case) just throws the encoded audio stream to external decoder = passthrough
[20:56] <Malinux> ali1234: I can take a picture from my openELEC system, running on my rpi model b 256MB RAM to prove it if you don't belive me
[20:56] <ali1234> how would a picture prove anything about how the audio is working?
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[20:57] <Malinux> ali1234: It proves what the rpi can passtrhough, as kodi shows what the hardware it is running on can passthrough
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[20:58] <Malinux> and my amplifier shows dts when it sends dts and it showd dolby digital if that is passthrough
[20:58] <Malinux> if the rpi gets an aduiostream of dolby digital HD it converts to pcm if the dd-track is removed
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[20:59] <nefarious> finally!
[21:00] <nefarious> better specs
[21:00] <Malinux> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8875/video-xbmc-on-a-raspberry-pi-passthrough-output
[21:00] <nefarious> still no gigabit ethernet though ;)
[21:00] <Malinux> ali1234: The RPi cannot decode DTS and AC3 because of the overhead, it is recommended that you use a passthrough device with these files.
[21:00] <Malinux> passtrough damn it
[21:01] <Malinux> nefarious: yeah, that's why I think I wait until the ethernet has it's own controller and is not on the usb chip
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[21:01] <zeta-> http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/ 2014?
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[21:02] <nefarious> Malinux, still awesome, regardless :P
[21:02] <marius> hi, who knows what's the status of Fedora (21 ish) on RP?
[21:02] <nefarious> just need SATA and gigabit ethernet and the market's monopolised
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[21:02] <Malinux> nefarious: sure :)
[21:03] <Malinux> but I don't think gigabit is possible on usb-2.0-controller?
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[21:06] <clever> and sata wouldnt perform very well either over usb
[21:07] <RoyK> Malinux: theoretically 480Mbps, in practice about 280Mbps
[21:07] <RoyK> Malinux: what do you have that would require gigabit on a pi?
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[21:08] <Malinux> RoyK: don't think I have anything that actually require 1Gbit and I haven't maxed the ethernet on the rpi, because it can't deliver 100 as far as I know, just in theory?
[21:09] <clever> only time i make use of the gigabit in my house is when i'm moving several gig between computers
[21:10] <clever> most traffic could be done over a 10mbit line if i wanted to
[21:10] <Malinux> mhm
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[21:11] <clever> and oddly, my laptop wifi cant even manage sub-10mbit at times
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[21:12] <Syliss> plus if you use the usb, it saturates the link and the nic suffers and visa versa
[21:12] <clever> yep
[21:12] <clever> a pi acting as an NAS with a usb hdd enclosure will get much worse bandwidth
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[21:17] <kevireilly> Epic news on the RPI2 today! bravo
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[21:18] <HoloPed> Any fellow Ontarians? Does anyone know what is the lead time on getting PIs in Ontario ?
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[21:22] <RoyK> wierd - tried to test bandwidth with iperf, and it tells me 500kbps or so, but a wget gives me something like 40Mbps
[21:22] <high-rez> So did anyone else who ordered a RPI2 this morning from one of those US distributors have their CC # leasked?
[21:22] <RoyK> both wired, rpi on 100Mbps, server on gigE
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[21:23] <high-rez> (I ordered from both distributors, but I'm pretty sure it was one of them, as that particular distributor started serving a buffer overflow from their site later in the morning)
[21:24] <Stanto> high-rez, err, what? CC leak ?
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[21:25] <pvl1> ?
[21:25] <ShorTie> i hope not high-rez, that is why i like paypal
[21:25] <high-rez> Stanto: I ordered a raspberry pi2 this morning from MCM and Element14. Shortly after ordering from one of those two (~hr) I got a call from my bank about potential fraud on my CC...
[21:26] <high-rez> ShorTie: So do I. It was not available for either Element 14 or MCM that I could see.
[21:26] <Stanto> high-rez, I've had that from over zealous banks checking up on online orders though?
[21:26] <ShorTie> how close in time did you order them
[21:27] <high-rez> No the specific charge was not legit
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[21:27] <high-rez> $10,000 on Fanduel
[21:27] <Stanto> high-rez, could've been spyware/virii on your machine/in the browser. Often the occams razor solution
[21:27] <kevireilly> hard to say if the source was those distributors though no? could've been any purchase at any point in the past
[21:28] <high-rez> Stanto: Doubt my linux laptop has a spyware / virus.
[21:29] <Stanto> high-rez, considering the vulnerabilities recently I wouldn't be entirely surprised but still, as ShorTie says it could've been a different day.
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[21:29] <RoyK> high-rez: why did you post something like $10k for fanduel?
[21:29] <Stanto> high-rez, I suggest you tweet at MCM / element14 and someone will look into it anyway for you :)
[21:29] <high-rez> As I mentioned, the distributor in question was actually serving malware...
[21:30] <high-rez> I grabbed it with wget and did a hexdump
[21:30] <Stanto> high-rez, mind if I msg you ?
[21:30] <high-rez> (Their website was doing a 302 redirect to index.jspa which was a binary blob, which I hexdumped).
[21:30] <high-rez> Sure
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[21:36] <high-rez> So I guess i'm the only one who saw this. I really hope it was just just my linux laptop was hacked, but based on what I saw this morning I'm pretty sure it was one of the two US distributors. Good luck to the rest of you ;-)
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[21:37] <yang> Is 1 Ampere power sufficient to power up RPI 2 ?
[21:37] <Stanto> yang, better with 2A
[21:37] <yang> Why better ?
[21:38] <yang> I've seen the specification says 5 Volt 2 Ampere
[21:38] <yang> But I was wondering if it would work with 1 Ampere too
[21:38] <ShorTie> should be ok if you do not use the usb, or not much atleast
[21:38] <yang> ok
[21:42] <ali1234> yang: A+ can use as little as 100mA
[21:42] <ali1234> which should give you some idea how much all that extra hardware is using
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[21:45] <RoyK> the analogue audio output on the pi - I heard that was rather crappy - how does the pi do it? no real DAC, or what?
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[21:45] <ali1234> it DMAs the audio signal to the PWM hardware
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[21:47] <RoyK> PWM isn't really a DAC, is it? ;)
[21:47] <ali1234> not really but kind of
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[21:47] <RoyK> kind of crappy replacement :P
[21:48] <ali1234> basically yeah
[21:49] <Malinux> so what is kind of a dac? what is a real dac, what is a non-real dac?
[21:50] <Malinux> to hear digital music it has to be converted to an analouge signal
[21:50] <Malinux> *analoge
[21:50] <ali1234> there's lots of different ways to implement a DAC
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[21:50] <ali1234> none of them are real or not real, just some are better than others
[21:51] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital-to-analog_converter#DAC_types
[21:51] <Malinux> okey
[21:51] <ali1234> and of course DAC isn't just for audio...
[21:51] <Malinux> what else is it for?
[21:52] <Malinux> how can there be an audio output from the rpi, when there is no input? :)
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[21:52] <ali1234> anywhere you need to control an analogue voltage from digital circuits
[21:52] <Malinux> ok
[21:53] <ozzzy_> Malinux, the 'input' could be the audio stream in VLC or whatever
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[21:54] <Jusii> :)
[21:54] <Malinux> Ox9900: I know ;)
[21:54] <Malinux> Jusii: ;)
[21:55] <Malinux> ozzzy_: I asked the question, because ali1234 said as an argument that there could not be any passthrough on rpi, because it has no audio input :)
[21:56] <ali1234> well, clearly a hardware can have only an input or only an output, however it can't pass through unless it has an input and an output, by definition
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[21:59] <in06khattab> hi
[21:59] <in06khattab> I am making a Raspberry Pi doorbell, tell me what you think. Also any ideas to send a live video stream to make an intercom
[21:59] <in06khattab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zp2gI_dzs
[21:59] <ali1234> http://blog.tkjelectronics.dk/2013/06/how-to-stream-video-and-audio-from-a-raspberry-pi-with-no-latency/
[21:59] <ali1234> use the pi camera module
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[22:00] <ali1234> you will need a USB sound card for audio though, because the pi has no audio input for microphone
[22:00] <in06khattab> will do
[22:00] <in06khattab> but steam over the internet
[22:00] <in06khattab> e.g. skype like an intecom
[22:01] <in06khattab> ordered the pi camera module btw
[22:01] <ozzzy_> any howtos on compiling a new rpi kernel
[22:01] <Jusii> elinux
[22:01] <Jusii> has
[22:01] <ali1234> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md
[22:01] <ali1234> http://elinux.org/Raspberry_Pi_Kernel_Compilation
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[22:02] <Jusii> and it's no different to any linux kernel compilation
[22:02] <in06khattab> ali1234 any idea on streaming to a mobile phone over the internet?
[22:02] <Jusii> even cross compiling is pretty simple
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[22:03] <ali1234> in06khattab: not really no
[22:04] <in06khattab> someone once got skype on pi over the internet but skype has killed the project :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqH54GyRdys
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[22:05] <ali1234> in06khattab: probably someone from collabora - they produce a licensed skype implementation from ARM/linux mobile phone
[22:05] <ali1234> it's not publicly available though
[22:05] <in06khattab> :(
[22:05] <ali1234> it was used in eg the nokia N900 and N9, worked really well too
[22:06] <Stanto> in06khattab, I see a very handwavy guy and a very white screen ...
[22:06] <ali1234> you can buy it, if you are shipping like a million units
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[22:07] <in06khattab> go to about 5 mins
[22:07] <Stanto> in06khattab, white screen with a name :p
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[22:10] <VoIP_Student> any us sellers has the 2 instock?
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[22:15] <Jesperhead> how universal are displays? I have an old, broken 2sim phone with what appears to be working display. Would it be difficult to use as a pi display?
[22:15] <ozzzy_> tks ali1234
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[22:19] <IT_Sean> Jesperhead: it depends on what kind of display it is.
[22:19] <IT_Sean> they are not "universal"
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[22:20] <Jesperhead> what goes into porting a display that could cause problems?
[22:20] <IT_Sean> im not sure I follow... "porting"?
[22:20] <Jesperhead> removing it from its original device to use with another?
[22:21] <IT_Sean> What kind of display is it? Does it have an onboard controller? Or is the controller part of the phone?
[22:21] <Jesperhead> touch screen, not sure if resistive or capacitive
[22:21] <IT_Sean> I would recommend examining the display for a part no. You should then be able to determine what type of display it is, and hopefully find a datasheet for it.
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[22:22] <l_r> the forum is down?
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[22:22] <Jesperhead> datasheets tell us what terminals are what right? then (hopefully) it should be a matching game?
[22:22] <IT_Sean> a datasheet should provide you with a pinout and protocol.
[22:22] <Jesperhead> cool thats a great starting point, thanks IT_Sean
[22:22] <IT_Sean> No worries.
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[22:27] <KushS> My college wifi blocks certain services, I wish to access my home wifi from my college to get rid of this problem. Any way a raspberrypi help me in this ?
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[22:28] <Jusii> you mean route your traffic from college through home network
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[22:29] <KushS> Jusii: precisely
[22:29] <Jusii> so wifi as is at home is irrelevant, but the network connection is what you're after
[22:30] <Jusii> vpn (=openvpn) would be my first guess
[22:30] <KushS> Jusii: yes. So use my pi as a vpn server ?
[22:30] <Jusii> you'd need to setup openvpn gateway/server at home and make it accessible for you
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[22:31] <IT_Sean> you also need to be sure that doing so will not violate the network access policies of your college.
[22:31] <KushS> IT_Sean: pfff :P
[22:31] <Jusii> IT_Sean: stop being so... canadien!
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[22:31] <acidjazz> hey all.. wheres the best US-based site to buy a pi 2?
[22:32] <IT_Sean> Jusii: I should slap you for that.
[22:32] * IT_Sean is not a canukistanian!
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[22:32] <Jusii> well you sure act like one
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[22:34] <Jusii> (saying that as a Finn, who are known to follow the rules and laws till the end...)
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[22:35] <Jusii> KushS: but depending of your needs, just a server at home or make openvpn client-server combo or or or
[22:36] <bhez> or just ssh into it and make it a socks5 proxy. no software to be installed to the pi.
[22:36] <KushS> Jusii: will the pi2 be able to handle it easily ?
[22:36] <Jusii> that one too
[22:36] <Jusii> sure
[22:36] <Jusii> even I'm just getting my first pi2 tomorrow
[22:36] <KushS> and will all the older softwares still be compatible with the pi 2 ?
[22:36] <Jusii> but I'd think even the old models would handle that
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[22:37] <Jusii> yes
[22:38] <Jusii> with the pi 2 you just unleashed a wide variety of linux distros to choose from
[22:39] <acidjazz> wheres the best US-based site to buy a pi 2?
[22:40] <KushS> that's nice to know. I just need it to somehow access my home wifi. Either to get away from restrictions or to queue downloads :P
[22:40] <bhez> acidjazz, newark.com is the official element14 distributer of raspberry pi's for the united states.
[22:40] <acidjazz> bhez: thank you
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[22:41] <acidjazz> bhez: what exaxctly does element14 distributor mean
[22:41] <bhez> element14 is the worldwide official distributer of raspberry pi's. newark is the united states branch of element14. (If i understand this structure properly)
[22:42] <bhez> someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
[22:42] <acidjazz> ok awesome
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[22:43] <acidjazz> looks like they havent gotten em yet
[22:43] <acidjazz> or they sold out already
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[22:44] <bhez> they should begin shipping them when they get them 2 weeks from today
[22:44] <shiftplusone> 2 weeks?
[22:44] <acidjazz> sweet
[22:44] <acidjazz> order placed for 10
[22:44] <shiftplusone> pretty sure they're already well stocked
[22:44] <acidjazz> sold out
[22:45] <shiftplusone> oh... that was quick
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[22:45] <acidjazz> they didnt even bill my card
[22:45] <acidjazz> because they dotn know the weight of them
[22:45] <acidjazz> to calculate shipping
[22:46] <Stanto> they're getting more in this week
[22:46] <acidjazz> this is going to shut down odroid
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[22:46] <acidjazz> and the beagle
[22:46] <shiftplusone> not really
[22:46] <acidjazz> the pi community is 10x the size now they have the power
[22:46] <shiftplusone> ordroid c1 is still faster and $35
[22:46] <acidjazz> it is?
[22:47] <acidjazz> ah i tis
[22:47] <acidjazz> damn its powerful
[22:47] <shiftplusone> but they're both fast enough now and there are things you can do with a pi 2 that you can't do with a c 1. The reverse isn't as true.
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[22:49] <acidjazz> like what shiftplusone
[22:49] <acidjazz> and no thers no fast enough
[22:49] <acidjazz> ever
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[22:50] <shiftplusone> well, you have the pi camera, for example, so HD video without taxing the CPU or USB. The C1 has the same crappy USB core, but they can't use the same tricks the pi did to work around the issues.
[22:50] <shiftplusone> but they have a gbit ethernet nic detached from USB, so that's a definite plus for them.
[22:50] <ali1234> if you want a fast computer x86 is still the only decent choice
[22:51] <acidjazz> ali1234: as in galileo?
[22:51] <ali1234> no as in I7
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[22:51] <KushS> btw what are the necessary accessories one needs with a pi ?
[22:51] <acidjazz> KushS: power cable, monitor, and usb keyboard
[22:51] <acidjazz> KushS: aka micro-usb to wall or a 5v port
[22:51] <seitensei> i7's are huge :x
[22:51] <shiftplusone> KushS: power supply, microsd card, hdmi display+cable, keyboard, mouse.
[22:52] <acidjazz> ali1234: what if i just bought a new imac pro
[22:52] <ali1234> only power supply and sd card are strictly necessary
[22:52] <KushS> acidjazz, shiftplusone can I use my macbook as a display ?
[22:52] <shiftplusone> KushS: kind of, but not really.
[22:52] <acidjazz> KushS: you need a monitor
[22:53] <acidjazz> you can ssh to it later w/ your macbook
[22:53] <acidjazz> but to get it online you need a monitor 1st
[22:53] <seitensei> Not necessarily
[22:53] <shiftplusone> KushS: you can use x11 forwarding, ssh, vnc and so on, but that's nowhere near the same as using the display directly.
[22:53] <seitensei> You can totally do all that with a USB TTL cable
[22:53] <ali1234> you can use a ttl serial cable
[22:53] <shiftplusone> err, ssh is on by default.
[22:53] <seitensei> which is good to have anyhow
[22:54] <acidjazz> just plug it into a monitor and get it online, then ssh to it
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[22:54] <shiftplusone> you don't need a monitor to get it online O_o
[22:54] <KushS> a wifi receiver ?
[22:55] <acidjazz> or lan/ethernet
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[22:59] <ant_thomas> Write the image to SD/microSD, boot it plugged into Ethernet then SSH in. That simple.
[23:02] <Hexxeh> folks with RPI2: how much overclocking headroom have you found you have?
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[23:05] <phire> Hexxeh, "1100MHz should be achievable for most people (and will be the default "overclock")"
[23:05] <phire> quote I got yesterday
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[23:05] <phire> "Idles at 600MHz, max (stock) speed is 900MHz, although they overclock very nicely"
[23:08] <seitensei> wow
[23:08] <seitensei> http://media.goboiano.com/news/2378-japanese-astronauts-plan-on-recreating-an-iconic-scene-from-evangelion
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[23:08] <seitensei> looks like Japan might be using a raspberry pi on a space project
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[23:09] <seitensei> not sure if they're just using it as a camera during production, or if the robot will be powered by a pi
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[23:12] <shiftplusone> yeah, I'd take all of that with a tonne of salt
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[23:19] <clever> shiftplusone: a 9 inch spear is a joke, lol
[23:19] <shiftplusone> I had no idea what this was about when I first saw the video O_o
[23:20] <shiftplusone> I thought it was about harpooning the moon for some reason (scientific research purposes?)
[23:20] <clever> they are trying to recreate the scene from an anime :P
[23:20] <clever> purely because they can
[23:20] <shiftplusone> well yes, I got that afterwards
[23:20] <clever> thats what it looks like to me
[23:20] <clever> but the spear is way off scale
[23:21] <clever> http://wiki.evageeks.org/Spear_of_Longinus
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[23:22] <clever> i think its somewhere in the area of 20-30meters long, cant find a source though
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[23:23] <ali1234> that show is about giant robots right?
[23:23] <ali1234> so its not going to be small
[23:23] <clever> its the one that rewrote the entire genre :P
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[23:24] <Hexxeh> you know the new Pi is usable when I can use IRCCloud comfortably... :D
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[23:33] <darcling> hello all
[23:33] <darcling> anyone else having problems accessing the raspberrypi.org forums? I just get redirected to the pi2 release announcement for all URLs
[23:34] <shiftplusone> darcling: yes, they were taken down. the servers can't handle the traffic
[23:34] <shiftplusone> so replaced with a static page until everything isn't pegged at 100%
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[23:35] <djhworld> yeah the story is everywhere, bbc, guardian, ars, telegraph, times etc
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[23:35] <darcling> gotcha, thanks shiftplusone. So, follow up question since I can't get at the resources : )
[23:35] <shiftplusone> yeah, we were busy melting the internet today.
[23:36] <ant_thomas> Try the google cached version of the forums if you can find what you want through google
[23:36] <darcling> anyone know if it's possible to get JavaFX running on ARM/Pi now that it's no longer packaged in the ARM JDK8 version
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[23:36] <darcling> ant_thomas: might need to improve my google foo, the drop down that i usually use to get to the cache just shows a blurb about Raspberry Pi
[23:37] <darcling> because i'm stupid, i see it now : )
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[23:37] <Hexxeh> darcling: if you have a Pi2, I'm pretty sure there are armv7 java binaries
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[23:39] <AnTi_MTtr> so big day in raspberry world
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[23:39] <darcling> thanks Hexxeh, I'm currently on a B+ v1.2 but I will look into that.
[23:39] <AnTi_MTtr> anyone planning on switching to windows?
[23:39] <bhez> I might try windows for a few days
[23:40] <shiftplusone> AnTi_MTtr: it's not that kind of windows
[23:40] <shiftplusone> it's not a general purpose os, it's the IoT thing where you deploy your application to it.
[23:40] <AnTi_MTtr> which kind of windows?
[23:40] <AnTi_MTtr> what is IoT?
[23:40] <Hexxeh> lots of folks are going to be disappointed by the Windows IoT stuff because it isn't what they think it is
[23:40] <ShorTie> i switched to windows in my roof, does that count ??
[23:40] <shiftplusone> Internet of Things
[23:40] <bhez> I was assuming it was windows RT
[23:40] <AnTi_MTtr> shiftplusone: is it cmd only?
[23:40] <shiftplusone> no
[23:41] <AnTi_MTtr> well there's a start
[23:41] <shiftplusone> I don't really know what it will be... MS has been quite quiet about it.
[23:41] <AnTi_MTtr> so it might actualy have "windows"
[23:41] <shiftplusone> but what I gather from their site suggests it will be useless to 99% of users.
[23:42] <AnTi_MTtr> well yeah but i would hope it'd be useful to raspberrypi users, since that'll be a platform it supports
[23:42] <phire> It's probally better described as "Windows Audino"
[23:42] <phire> with gui and shit
[23:42] <AnTi_MTtr> i mean it must have some redeming features
[23:42] <AnTi_MTtr> someone must have some reason to use it
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[23:44] <phire> See here: https://ms-iot.github.io/content/SampleApps.htm
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[23:44] <phire> connect it to sensors and stuff
[23:44] <AnTi_MTtr> well looks like all the same stuff
[23:45] <shiftplusone> so... very arduino-ish O_o
[23:45] <AnTi_MTtr> yeah
[23:45] <AnTi_MTtr> and why not
[23:45] <phire> Currently that only supports the Galileo
[23:45] <AnTi_MTtr> it should be as capable as everything else out there
[23:45] <phire> which has no screen/usb
[23:45] <phire> so I suspect the RPi version will gain more features
[23:46] <phire> it would probally be something like run one app at a time (which you develop in Visual Studio)
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[23:47] <AnTi_MTtr> well that would defeat the point of the rpi2 wouldnt it?
[23:47] <AnTi_MTtr> 'i thought thats what it supported
[23:47] <AnTi_MTtr> or was going to support
[23:48] <AnTi_MTtr> although i ugess you could still do multi cpu apps without actualy requiring multitasking
[23:48] <shiftplusone> no, linux is still the primary os
[23:48] <phire> a single app can still use all 4 cores
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[23:48] <AnTi_MTtr> lol so it runs on top of linux like an old copy of 3.1 ran on top of dos?
[23:48] <shiftplusone> what, no O_o
[23:49] <shiftplusone> I mean that it doesn't defeat the point of a pi 2, because you'll still run a normal OS on it. Windows IoT is just an extra nobody will use.
[23:49] <phire> And I would be supprised if it actually had a 1 process limitation
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[23:49] <phire> more likely only one process will be able to access the screen
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[23:50] <AnTi_MTtr> just another alternative to the basic, thats a good thing
[23:50] <AnTi_MTtr> larger ecosystem
[23:50] <phire> but we don't really know
[23:50] <phire> yeah. Microsoft is feeling left-out in a market
[23:50] <phire> which is increasingly being dominiated by linux
[23:51] <phire> they killed windows CE without providing anything to replace it
[23:51] <AnTi_MTtr> yeah
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[23:55] <imbezol> wow.. sold out already
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[23:56] <Jack64> it's 2012 all over again
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[23:56] <imbezol> on ebay for twice the price
[23:57] <Jack64> i wonder if anyone buys those
[23:57] <phire> Fortunally my primary use case doesn't need extra memory, or extra cpu power
[23:58] <pepee> what about the extra cpu? :P
[23:58] <Jack64> i also wonder if the extra memory and extra cpu power will actually allow for more usable clusters.. 4 pis are now 16 cores
[23:59] <imbezol> certainly can't hurt xbmc

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