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IRC Log for 2015-02-03

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[0:01] <Jack64> is the gpu the same on pi2 as on pi1? i mean does the firmware have those new "open" calls like on pi1?
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[0:02] <Jack64> 4 ARM cores + 27GFLOPS on the GPU.. if you can squeeze all that processing out of them you could make some cool stuff
[0:03] <Hexxeh> Jack64: yes
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[0:03] <Jack64> nice
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[0:04] <Jack64> gotta check that out sometime, that gpu seems like the unexplored cherry on top of the pi
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[0:06] <pepee> there is an open source driver
[0:06] <pepee> for the gpu
[0:07] <pepee> but looks like few know about it, and fewer have tried it
[0:07] <Hexxeh> depending on your sense of driver, yes
[0:07] <Hexxeh> all the userland required to drive the GPU is open-source
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[0:07] <phire> Hexxeh, well that userspace driver still does a few nasty things to get the control it needs
[0:08] <pepee> well, it's something, isn't it?
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[0:08] <phire> it steals the frame buffer
[0:08] <Hexxeh> phire: oh? i'm not aware of the details?
[0:08] <Hexxeh> ah
[0:08] <Hexxeh> it works fine for my purposes with some slight modifications
[0:08] <pepee> you are using the vc4 oss driver?
[0:08] <phire> and I'd hate to see what happens if you accidentally active any of the old driver.
[0:09] <phire> well, as long as you arn't using my hackdriver
[0:09] <Lokathor> if someone is not using retropi, but still wants a gamepad to work on their pi (i want to use it as a mouse) where would they look?
[0:09] <phire> it can render a triangle, to a back buffer
[0:09] <Lokathor> there doesn't seem to be a device for it, so i think maybe a module isn't loaded right?
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[0:09] <Hexxeh> phire: just this wonderful hack - https://github.com/Hexxeh/userland/commit/aa6eeeb4b6f9b4375ecf3fb1555ac05b9a7cf46e
[0:09] <phire> (oh, you wanted it on the screen, too bad)
[0:09] <Lokathor> but all the guides don't explain how to do it, they just say to configure via retropi
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[0:10] <clever> phire: i can see ways to modify the open source driver to not steal the framebuffer
[0:10] <clever> its trivial to render into any dispmanx resource
[0:10] <pepee> what mesa release are you using?
[0:10] <phire> clever, yeah
[0:10] <clever> and if you then query xorg for screen position, you could place it within the window even
[0:10] <phire> but I think anholt didn't want to have to deal with that yet
[0:10] <phire> it's very much a work in progress
[0:10] <clever> ah
[0:11] <clever> thats one of the first things i did
[0:11] <phire> it's also hardcoded to one screen resolution
[0:11] <Hexxeh> clever: i'd like to see patches that do that!
[0:11] <Jack64> but you guys are using it for gpgpu or something else?
[0:11] <clever> Hexxeh: my v3d driver is up on github, let me see where the links went
[0:11] <Hexxeh> clever: for my use, i have a single X11 application running that just needs a fullscreen EGL context
[0:11] <phire> yeah, clever's driver work is very impressive, for it's time
[0:12] <Hexxeh> the commit above along with a hacked-up hardware cursor mostly achieves that, but is ugly
[0:12] <clever> i was attempting to get the prize, and didnt think of the cheap 'just fix the other source' route :P
[0:13] <clever> but i couldnt figure out the vertex shader stuff, knew nothing of the opengl api, and phire vanished and couldnt help fill in the blanks
[0:13] <phire> sorry
[0:13] <phire> got busy at work
[0:13] <clever> https://github.com/cleverca22/gl/blob/master/core.c#L506
[0:13] <clever> Hexxeh: this code will get the physical address for a dispmanx resource
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[0:13] <phire> vertex shader might have taken a bit of time
[0:13] <clever> and then supply it to the v3d control lists as a render destination
[0:13] <phire> but probally wasn't that hard
[0:13] <phire> quake is only an ES 1.1 game
[0:14] <clever> i was doing full desktop gl, not the ES sub-set
[0:14] <Hexxeh> ah, so not really more appropriate for what I'm doing
[0:14] <phire> you could win that compition with a few hardcoded shaders
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[0:14] <clever> Hexxeh: you would want to somehow give EGL the physical address to render into
[0:15] <clever> and then you can display that resource using normal dispmanx api, full-screen or windowed
[0:15] <Hexxeh> doesn't solve the cursor thing though
[0:15] <clever> cursor thing?
[0:15] <Hexxeh> i end up rendering on-top of the X root window
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[0:15] <Hexxeh> and so hiding the cursor
[0:15] <clever> yeah
[0:15] <clever> simplest solution i can see, modify xorg to use dispmanx for the cursor
[0:15] <clever> hardware cursor rendering
[0:15] <Hexxeh> yeah, i did it as a separate process because easier
[0:16] <clever> then you can just stick EGL on a layer between fb0 and the cursor
[0:16] <Hexxeh> actually I didn't, Rob did... :P
[0:16] <clever> or you can use the other gui program, wayland i think it was called
[0:16] <clever> which maps every window to its own dispmanx layer
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[0:16] <Hexxeh> Wayland support in Chromium is eh...
[0:16] <clever> in theory, you could ask wayland for the raw dispmanx handle, and then pass that to EGL
[0:17] <clever> and bypass wayland for rendering, while still rendering to its window
[0:17] <clever> page flipping is more complex though
[0:17] <pepee> well, it's nice to know that you guys are involved in the driver
[0:17] <clever> ive been busy lately and havent touched any of it
[0:17] <pepee> I thought it was more advanced... guess it will take some time :/
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[0:18] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/v3d2/out.png
[0:18] <clever> this is the most advanced thing i got out of my driver
[0:18] <clever> 2d rendering, 4 polygons per letter, something like 15fps, and 40% cpu usage
[0:18] <clever> max of 1 texture, with a single shader that only works for this one use-case
[0:18] <pepee> companies should invest more in graphics devs for linux
[0:19] <pepee> I barely know how this stuff works though, I use radeon and I've seen the progress
[0:19] <clever> a problem i run into often on linux, with things like radeon
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[0:19] <pepee> it's awesome, but at the same time, so slow
[0:20] <clever> (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported.
[0:20] <clever> (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0
[0:20] <clever> i cant even get simple 2d graphics to work without a fight :P
[0:20] <pepee> ? radeon is fine
[0:20] <pepee> if you have a problem, ask in #radeon
[0:20] <clever> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4250]
[0:20] <pepee> what distro, mesa, kernel?
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[0:20] <clever> ive flipped on the correct kernel flags, it still claims kms is missing
[0:20] <clever> gentoo
[0:20] <clever> 3.17.8-gentoo-r1
[0:20] <pepee> yeah, ask in the channel
[0:21] <clever> mesa-10.2.8
[0:21] <clever> didnt think to try irc, was googling everything
[0:21] <pepee> you need to register your nickname though
[0:21] <clever> done that years ago
[0:21] <pepee> try using a newer mesa release
[0:22] <clever> i dont think the issue is in the mesa layer, i think its just the xorg _drv module
[0:23] <pepee> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-from-scratch-13/blfs-ati-radeon-and-xorg-drm-report-modesetting-isn%27t-supported-4175475327/#post5019336
[0:23] <clever> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:05.0/drm", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[0:23] <pepee> says you need to uninstall catalyst correctly
[0:24] <clever> heh, strace always has an answer
[0:24] <pepee> guess you need to blacklist fglrx
[0:24] <clever> not installed
[0:26] <pepee> give them that message too
[0:27] <pepee> wait, I barely read the link I gave you: > The next thing I see is that the kernel is never loading it's direct rendering module for your hardware. If you log in at the console and type 'modprobe radeon' (as root or with sudo) do you get any error?
[0:27] <shiftplusone> forum is back
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[0:28] <pepee> you got slashdotted? :P
[0:28] <clever> yay
[0:28] <clever> batcave ~ # lsmod|grep radeon
[0:28] <clever> radeon 1398014 0
[0:28] <clever> phire: it was already loaded
[0:28] <ali1234> shiftplusone: someone pointed out earlier that this page says 2014 instead of 2015 http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/
[0:30] <shiftplusone> heh
[0:30] <pksato> some forget to flip calendar. :)
[0:32] <shiftplusone> pepee: we got 'every news site on the internet'-ed >_<
[0:32] <willmore> shiftplusone, yes, I saw the conversation over on odroid.
[0:32] <willmore> 3
[0:32] <plugwash> anyone know any sources of B+/pi2 style cases similar to the old yoctopuce case for the model B?
[0:33] <shiftplusone> willmore: aye, that was somewhat interesting.
[0:33] <willmore> They're nice people.
[0:34] <shiftplusone> Well, the op was a bit of a jerk, but meh.
[0:35] <shiftplusone> for the most part, yes.
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[0:35] <plugwash> shiftplusone, any idea when they will get the forums back to life?
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[0:35] <shiftplusone> plugwash: working fine for me now
[0:36] <plugwash> hmm, wasn't when I tried it a couple of hours ago
[0:39] <l_r> windows 10? incredible
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[0:42] <pepee> is it?
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[0:43] <l_r> not windows 10 itself
[0:44] <l_r> i think they will be selling millions of rpi2 now
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[0:46] <clever> plugwash: heh, i just discovered http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=665109#p665109
[0:46] <roasted> I liked the "real pc" remark
[0:47] <roasted> For the epic lolz
[0:47] <clever> l_r: from what ive read, it can only install apps on the windows market place, you cant sideload your own code
[0:47] <clever> so i'm not sure how they are going to make it developer friendly
[0:47] <l_r> clever, no visual studio toolchains?
[0:47] <l_r> :(
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[0:48] <clever> i havent heard anything about visual studio on the pi yet
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[0:48] <roasted> Your serious clever ?
[0:48] <clever> its more like they ported the windows tablet os
[0:48] <clever> its not desktop windows
[0:48] <roasted> Have any idea where you read that?
[0:48] <plugwash> my understanding is it will be cross-development using some visual studio setup on a PC
[0:48] <clever> tablets/phones are already arm, all they really had to do was update the graphics interface
[0:48] <l_r> �We�re very happy to be supporting Windows 10 on Raspberry Pi. It�s a great opportunity to plug in to Microsoft�s work with makers, and access to the Visual Studio toolchain is a big plus.� � Eben Upton, CEO at Raspberry Pi
[0:49] <clever> roasted: the wikipedia page on windows RT
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[0:49] <clever> sounds like maybe they are relaxing the code signing limitations to allow debug builds in
[0:49] <roasted> clever: I didn't think it was rt specifically coming to the pi
[0:50] <pepee> you think they will port windows from x86 to ARM?
[0:50] <clever> even if they did, it wouldnt magicaly make every x86 app run on the arm system
[0:50] <roasted> Some users were saying full Windows ten, but they were clearly fanboys so I didn't take it as gospel since no sources were cited
[0:50] <l_r> note that visual studio already supports cross development for android
[0:50] <clever> which is what most people would expect
[0:50] <l_r> so i suspect a big plan
[0:51] <abnormal> so we can use winblows 3.11 on the new pi?
[0:51] <abnormal> or even DOS 6.1
[0:51] <clever> abnormal: ive seen a simpler solution years ago, run win7 in a VM elsewhere in the building
[0:51] <clever> and just vnc into it from the pi, full-screen
[0:51] <plugwash> pepee, they aleady ported it, then they crippled it
[0:52] <clever> i had one of my pi's setup to RDP on bootup, so it was a thin-client for windows
[0:52] <plugwash> windows rt was a full port of windows, it was then crippled to forbid third party desktop applications
[0:53] <plugwash> it will be interesting to see just how crippled the promised port of windows 10 for the pi will be
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[0:56] <abnormal> but problem is, ppl will have to buy that win 10 for the pi... I'd stick with the foundation's OS's....
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[0:58] <AnTi_MTtr> what?
[0:58] <clever> 'The Raspberry Pi 2-compatible version of Windows 10 will be available free of charge to makers.'
[0:58] <AnTi_MTtr> they said it was free to all the maker community
[0:58] <clever> quoted from the blog post
[0:58] <abnormal> oh?
[0:58] <abnormal> for how long?
[0:58] <AnTi_MTtr> perpetuity
[0:58] <AnTi_MTtr> or else they're screwed
[1:00] <abnormal> that's ok, I'll run Tahrpup in that new pi B 2... he heh
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[1:00] <curlymo> anyone with a Raspberry Pi 2 here that can test the wiringX support?
[1:01] <curlymo> (cross-platform gpio library)
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[1:01] <phire> I'm pretty sure nothing about the gpio's has changed
[1:02] <curlymo> internally there has been some small ones :)
[1:02] <phire> they bent over backwards for backwards compatablity
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[1:02] <phire> apparently didn't even fix known bugs
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[1:03] <curlymo> i checked the wiringPi source and say a different memory base so i'm pretty sure wiringX needs updating :)
[1:03] <curlymo> say = saw
[1:03] <clever> phire: i tried out the SMI stuff we looked into, but i didnt get any pin to change state
[1:03] <phire> clever, aww
[1:03] <dob1> hi, i updated raspbian and seems that now systemd is running, but pid 1 is init not systemd, what happen?
[1:03] <clever> phire: either the SMI interface expects an ack from the scope, which cant give one
[1:03] <curlymo> so, can anyone test. Won't take more than 5 minutes
[1:03] <clever> or i'm using the registers the wrong way
[1:04] <curlymo> and a jumper wire ofc.
[1:04] <dob1> no sorry, i was ssh to the wrong machine :)
[1:04] <phire> probally the latter
[1:04] <dob1> ops :)
[1:05] <clever> hmmm, given the timing data it encodes into things, yeah
[1:05] <clever> it expects the hardware to just keep-up
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[2:06] <pepee> wait, you have to buy codecs?
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[2:07] <phire> only vc1 and mpeg2
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[2:08] <pepee> what if I don't live in US/UK?
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[2:09] <pepee> that's only for distribution or also for personal use?
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[2:09] <high-rez> The hardware video renderer comes licensed with h.264. It won't do mpeg2/vc1 without a codec license. You can always do softwawre decode, but ymmv.
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[2:10] <high-rez> They did this to keep hardware costs down. Not everyone who buys one of these will use it for video (or video at all).
[2:10] <bombuzal> ^
[2:10] <pepee> ah ok
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[2:10] <Tach[Zzz]> is this new pi 2 cpu the same as the pi one? (IE: slow but with 4 cores instead of one)
[2:11] <high-rez> The single core performance is slightly faster, and now there are more of them.
[2:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Tach[Zzz]: if performance concerns you, odroid C1 may be interesting
[2:11] <Tach[Zzz]> I was more wondering if good amiga emulation might be possible on the pi 2 but probably not
[2:11] <steve_rox> i wonder if it would cause any heat issue
[2:11] <Tach[Zzz]> as it's not very threaded
[2:12] <bombuzal> The upgraded SoC on the Pi 2 provides a Cortex A7
[2:12] <Tach[Zzz]> you can separate video and the rest for two threads but that's about all
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[2:12] <phire> it's gone from arm11 to arm cortex a7
[2:12] <Tach[Zzz]> I was able to just about manage full speed A500 on a 1GHz single core cortex a8
[2:13] <bombuzal> :D
[2:13] <Tach[Zzz]> but meh, I suppose I'll just have to buy one and see
[2:13] <high-rez> bombuzal: Sounds like the move to A7 + higher clock speed means about 50% performance in single thread performance ?
[2:13] <pepee> from what I've read, it's 3x+ of the Pi1
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[2:13] <phire> A7 apparently has higher performance than the A8
[2:13] <Tach[Zzz]> hrm
[2:13] <Tach[Zzz]> then it should be doable
[2:13] <Tach[Zzz]> I'll have to acquire one
[2:13] <phire> unless we switch to apple's A7 soc
[2:14] <phire> which has massively higher performance.
[2:14] <Tach[Zzz]> a handheld amiga would be nice -.o
[2:14] <bombuzal> Tach[Zzz]: Would be nice if the A7 provides an opening for the AROS RPi port to advance ;)
[2:14] <Tach[Zzz]> oh yes, although aros runs quite nicely as it is if you're not running 68k stuff
[2:14] <bombuzal> yeah
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[2:14] <pepee> 3x+ per core...
[2:14] <Tach[Zzz]> if it is then that'll really open up a lot of stuff
[2:14] <Tach[Zzz]> especially with the additional ram
[2:15] <pepee> I wonder, would video codecs be restricted if there were no software patents?
[2:15] <phire> pepee, on some work loads
[2:15] <bombuzal> Tach[Zzz]: then there's the [can't remember the name] closed project that's implementing the AROS API on a linux or microkernel
[2:15] <bombuzal> Good news for everyone really ;)
[2:15] <pepee> phire, ah, I thought it was in general
[2:16] <Tach[Zzz]> I'm not sure closed projects are good news for many people other than those selling them...
[2:16] <bombuzal> Except for OpenBSD users >_>
[2:16] <phire> it's a completely different micro-architecture.
[2:16] <Tach[Zzz]> but heh, must zzz
[2:16] <phire> not directly comparable
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[2:16] <phire> I spent last night researching the A7
[2:16] <bombuzal> No, I'm not too pleased with closed - especially as development has been going for years :P
[2:16] <phire> it can dispatch 1 op per cycle (in-order)
[2:17] <phire> except for mov rA, rB and add rA, rB, #imm ops
[2:17] <phire> which it can dispatch an extra one of those per cycle.
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[3:32] <HoloPed> can this be made to work with a pi ? - http://www.amazon.com/AOC-E1649FWU-USB-Powered-Portable-Monitor/dp/B005SEZR0G/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1422930351&sr=1-1&keywords=usb+monitor
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[3:33] <irc_smirk> hello
[3:33] <irc_smirk> so..big news today eh?
[3:34] <irc_smirk> where is in stock
[3:35] <ShorTie> Sony most likely
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[3:36] <irc_smirk> sony?
[3:37] <imbezol> they're manufactured in one of sony's plants
[3:38] <irc_smirk> so opinions?
[3:39] <irc_smirk> its more memoery and faster processor. thats it right?
[3:39] <ShorTie> what country are you in ??
[3:39] <Triffid_Hunter> irc_smirk: I'm waiting to see a performance comparison vs the odroid C1
[3:39] <pepee> HoloPed, that's really cool
[3:40] <ShorTie> about 70% i believe Triffid_Hunter
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[3:41] <ozzzy_> HoloPed, I have that monitor
[3:42] <HoloPed> pepee, yeah, good price as well. The quality is meh (of course) but for what it is it's very nice
[3:42] <HoloPed> ozzzy_, did you try with the pi ?
[3:43] <imbezol> wonder if there's something similar with touch screen
[3:43] <ozzzy_> HoloPed, nope... but I've been looking into it.... needs a kernel recompile
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[3:47] <taza> irc_smirk: The Pi 2B has an ARMv7 processor
[3:47] <taza> This is absolutely huge
[3:47] <irc_smirk> why
[3:48] <taza> Because the Pi has an ARMv6, which means half of ARM operating systems just fail on it
[3:49] <imbezol> i'm personally sad to hear that windows is coming to it
[3:49] <taza> ARMv7 means you have a world of new operating systems, ones with far more support than Pi-only ones.
[3:49] <taza> Why?
[3:49] <taza> You're not being forced to use Windows on the Pi2
[3:49] <imbezol> because a lot of companies won't bother with linux driver support for their hardware
[3:49] <taza> That doesn't even make sense.
[3:49] <imbezol> so, because i will still use linux, i'll likely find a lot of hardware won't be usable
[3:49] <taza> The Pi still runs Linux by default.
[3:50] <imbezol> things like the above mentioned monitors
[3:50] <taza> Windows coming to Pi changes nothing in this respect
[3:50] <taza> Manufacturers target the most common platforms; if you got a problem with this, money will solve it
[3:50] <irc_smirk> what does this mean
[3:51] <irc_smirk> "The Raspberry Pi 2-compatible version of Windows 10 will be available free of charge to makers."
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[3:51] <irc_smirk> makers?
[3:51] <imbezol> i've been using linux for 20 years.. i know how it works
[3:51] <taza> Then you'd know that Windows coming to the Pi changes nothing
[3:51] <pepee> it changes lots of things
[3:51] <irc_smirk> i think i know microsofts plan here
[3:51] <pepee> people will want to use windows in their Pi
[3:52] <taza> ... not regarding his trouble.
[3:52] <taza> You should read up.
[3:52] <pepee> microsoft will end taking advantage of that, as usual
[3:52] <irc_smirk> they want to position windows 10 as the 'internet of things' home serve device
[3:52] <irc_smirk> so people will buy a pi and have windows 10 for free and it will be the connector server in the home
[3:52] <taza> They want Windows 10 to eat the market share of Apple TV and Chrome's home casting.
[3:52] <imbezol> also, it's not just hardware that it will affect
[3:52] <irc_smirk> yup that to.. especially with hololens
[3:52] <taza> Good job, you cracked what they have been openly advertising they're doing for the past ten years.
[3:52] <imbezol> projects will now be based around windows too
[3:52] <irc_smirk> windows 10 on pi will cast to hololens
[3:53] <pepee> have you ever heard that microsoft profits from piracy, taza ?
[3:53] <imbezol> a lot of applications will be proprietary
[3:53] <imbezol> right now they're almost 100% open source
[3:53] <taza> imbezol: Again, what has changed here?
[3:53] <taza> Plus, we can't even boot the Pi without proprietary software, so maybe you're eating the wrong foot-fungus here.
[3:53] <pepee> I imagine win10 will be pirated just linke normal windows is being pirated
[3:53] <taza> Looks unlikely
[3:54] <pepee> then everyone will want their cheap windows device
[3:54] <irc_smirk> hololens will be huge and it will need processing at home
[3:54] <taza> Pfft
[3:54] <taza> "hololens will be huge". I heard people say the same about Surface and Kinect.
[3:54] <irc_smirk> "this time its different" ;0
[3:55] <taza> I'm pretty sure I could dig up twenty years of failed Microsoft living room computing experiments.
[3:55] <irc_smirk> microsoft is planning on making the first 3d browser
[3:55] <taza> Oh ew.
[3:55] <taza> Who needs a 3d browser?
[3:55] <pepee> lol
[3:55] <fengling> if hololens is open source ,then it will be huge :)
[3:55] <atouk> losing marketshare because people are going to other OSs. They are retraining people to get used to windows again by giving it away. andriod is hurting MS because of the user expecting touch
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[3:56] <pepee> ironically (?), their new browser uses webkit
[3:56] <taza> Not really ironically.
[3:56] <irc_smirk> it will extend the dom to virtual projection screens around a projectable surfaces it finds in the room
[3:56] <taza> Yes this sounds like an usability nightmare; we're right on track to "another failed Microsoft experiment"
[3:56] <imbezol> irc_smirk: that's really like trying to invent the wheelbarrow at a time of flying cars
[3:57] <imbezol> irc_smirk: the next step is vr, not 3d web browsing
[3:57] <taza> ... I don't think VR will be the next step
[3:57] <taza> Seeing we're far off from universally working VR.
[3:57] <imbezol> vr will be for 3d web browsing as the computer is for newspapers
[3:58] <imbezol> you may browse the "global information database" or WWW if you like, but i doubt you'll call it 3d web browsing
[3:58] <taza> I mean, we can call it - 3D failed, again... and again...
[3:58] <taza> There's a reason we have books and not sculptures.
[3:58] <taza> Because information accessibility and ease of use reign supreme, still
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[3:59] <imbezol> i'm not talking about waving your arms around in the air
[3:59] <taza> It needs to have a killer app; a practical use case where it's unbeatable.
[3:59] <imbezol> i'm talking about completing the ability to interface the computer and the brain
[3:59] <taza> You won't see that day.
[3:59] <imbezol> 5 years until we get something on the market
[4:00] <imbezol> rudimentary at first
[4:00] <taza> 5 years nothing; we won't get anything in fifty years.
[4:00] <taza> I'm very, very, very very very very personally invested in the development of this tech; but it isn't working, not even on a rudimentary level
[4:00] <pepee> Office
[4:00] <pepee> :P
[4:01] <irc_smirk> lots of naysaying. its actually genius
[4:01] <imbezol> and with things like oculus to do the display
[4:01] <taza> It's not working; not even in theory. Our interfacing techniques are more likely to kill people than to work.
[4:01] <pepee> who wouldn't want to play games in vr or 3d?
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[4:01] <taza> Me.
[4:01] <pepee> why not?
[4:01] <taza> I don't like 3D games as is, give me a good 2D Metroidvania any day
[4:01] <taza> Handling the third dimension usually causes camera headaches
[4:02] <imbezol> myself i just really want a heads up over what i see
[4:02] <imbezol> and wifi
[4:02] <irc_smirk> dude your negative attitude is causing headaches
[4:02] <imbezol> really once humans can even interface with a computer at a moderate speed to do text input...
[4:02] <irc_smirk> imbezol - then you want hololens
[4:02] <taza> Your pie in the sky is giving me diabetes.
[4:02] <imbezol> then we all become telepathic
[4:02] <irc_smirk> haha
[4:02] <irc_smirk> whats pie in the sky about it
[4:03] <taza> Which part?
[4:03] <irc_smirk> exactly
[4:03] <taza> The ridiculous plans to create THE NEXT BIG THING to seize marketshare, or interfacing techniques that are literally more likely to kill people than to work?
[4:03] <imbezol> i saw a pretty neat article a couple years back that had a lot of promise
[4:03] <imbezol> they'd take a very fine, almost invisible mesh, and put it over the larynx
[4:04] <taza> It's not enough for the technology to exist; you need to find a good use for it
[4:04] <irc_smirk> bill gates dad ran planned parent hood come on
[4:04] <imbezol> they found that when humans think words, even if they don't say them, the muscles in the throat move ever so slightly
[4:04] <atouk> wait until it goes to automotive. exchange the headset for a windshield and have headsup diaplays and media. that will also take marketshare from itunes
[4:04] <imbezol> the device was able to pick up on that and translate to text
[4:04] <taza> ... why would you have heads up displays in the windshield?
[4:05] <taza> That's not happening until self-driving cars, in which case you might as well build the HUD into eyewear.
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[4:05] <imbezol> i want a hud that just displays in my view without a device in front of my face
[4:05] <taza> HUDs are doable. Full interfacing into a computer for input is Not Happening Anytime Soon.
[4:05] <atouk> it's all abut features. lok at the latest ads. cars with built in access points for passengers
[4:05] <imbezol> no windshield, no glasses..
[4:06] <irc_smirk> i wonder if the browser will finally be usable in pi 2
[4:06] <taza> You're not going to see media displays on windshields, and I shouldn't be even having to explain why.
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[4:06] <taza> irc_smirk: The browser was plenty usable in Pi 1, if you did your magic right
[4:06] <taza> Well, as long as you didn't want flash
[4:07] <irc_smirk> whats the irc command to get a room count
[4:07] <taza> imbezol: The muscles are the big problem.
[4:07] <taza> Headphones and 3D glasses work for like 90% of the population for those senses.
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[4:08] <irc_smirk> see my hunch was right: This is the first in a series of Internet of Things (IoT) programs for the creation of connected devices. This program is tailor-made for both makers and Windows developers entering into the IoT space.
[4:08] <irc_smirk> from MS site
[4:08] <taza> Also, input directly from the muscles is also Not Happening Anytime Soon.
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[4:09] <taza> Intepreting those signals with significant reliability is a bitch and three quarters, interrupting the input going into muscles is literally life-threatening
[4:09] <imbezol> lol.. you're soo far off it's laughable
[4:09] <imbezol> i saw a video the other day of another neat one
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[4:10] <taza> I'm actually entirely aware of what the technology can do.
[4:10] <imbezol> they have this downhill skiing game that requires you only think which way you want to go
[4:10] <imbezol> it works
[4:10] <taza> ...
[4:10] <imbezol> you're simply holding onto two "ski poles"
[4:10] <taza> Yes, two-directional input.
[4:10] <imbezol> they have no motional sensors
[4:10] <imbezol> it's all electrical signals
[4:11] <taza> I don't think you quite grasp the complexity of these signals
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[4:11] <taza> Reading them is... somewhat doable, though a fool's errand for anything complex.
[4:11] <taza> Adding feedback? Just forget it.
[4:12] <imbezol> have you seen The Theory of Everything?
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[4:12] <imbezol> even that long ago they were able to get input pretty quickly from him
[4:12] <taza> Pa-ra-ly-zed.
[4:13] <taza> And still, simple, simple input
[4:13] <imbezol> ?
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[4:13] <taza> Easier to get good input signal when it ain't triggering things in the body
[4:13] <imbezol> lol
[4:13] <taza> No, literally.
[4:14] <taza> This technology is required to fix my body; I'd be real happy if it was there. It isn't, and it isn't going to be.
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[4:15] <chipmadness> taza you are hooked to a pi?
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[4:15] <taza> chipmadness: Nah, I've got an entirely mechanical computer inside me
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[4:15] <taza> (Not allowed conductors; using fluid pressure instead)
[4:15] <imbezol> he's a no bot
[4:15] <chipmadness> for your heart?
[4:15] <taza> Nah, for my brain
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[4:16] <chipmadness> Ah! Crazy thing we do these days
[4:16] <chipmadness> Thats nuts
[4:16] <taza> Fifty years of cyborgs, man.
[4:16] <taza> You joined in mid-argument.
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[4:16] <taza> tl;dr imbezol's saying that we'll have full VR within the next five years, and I'm just going "not within your lifetime bub"
[4:17] <imbezol> also, kinect is pretty impressive for a leap ahead in input methods
[4:17] <taza> Shame there's no use case for it
[4:17] <imbezol> electronic field sensors too.. thought it was pretty neat that i can make movements _above_ the screen of my phone to do things
[4:17] <imbezol> you're right tho.. no advancements have been, are, or will be made
[4:17] <taza> (I was also pointing out that just because technology exists doesn't mean it's going to be the wave of the future)
[4:17] <taza> Oh, they're making advancements constantly
[4:18] <imbezol> i didn't say we'd have full vr in 5 years
[4:18] <taza> But we're not even remotely capable of translating touch, taste or smell to VR.
[4:18] <taza> Including movement.
[4:18] <imbezol> i said that i think end user devices, probably integrated into our phones, will have some kind of more advanced input method
[4:18] <chipmadness> raspberry pi can't handle shit
[4:18] <imbezol> and we'll also have some more advanced kind of display
[4:19] <chipmadness> my eyes are on the ODroid
[4:19] <taza> Nevermind proprioception. Just forget, we can't do anything.
[4:19] <chipmadness> Odroid-c1
[4:19] <taza> So basically you're predicting Google Glass.
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[4:19] <taza> Ohwait
[4:19] <imbezol> combining the two.. well that could be considered telepathy of sorts when used to communicate with other users
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[4:19] <taza> ... so could speaking.
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[4:20] <taza> If you know about sound waves, then speaking is not telepathy, and if you know about computers, computers are not telepathy either.
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[4:20] <imbezol> yeah.. i'm thinking long distance.. but yeah.. telephone might fall into the same category
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[4:20] <imbezol> it's not private though
[4:20] <imbezol> you can't stand beside your bud and talk on the phone privately
[4:20] <taza> You're painting a vivid picture of a future that's mostly tech we had a decade ago, with a few techlogical advances we don't even know how to begin to do.
[4:20] <imbezol> humans are not going to achieve telepathy naturally
[4:20] <taza> ... aaactually.
[4:20] <imbezol> we're going to use technology to achieve it
[4:21] <taza> Obviously you aren't very well aware of how phones work
[4:21] <PovAddict> I find myself without a usable screen for my raspberry pi
[4:21] <taza> Phones that allow you to speak on the phone without actually speaking are already working, just, nobody actually needs them
[4:21] <chipmadness> PovAddict
[4:21] <imbezol> if you were a visiting alien and you determined that these humans can somehow communicate to each other long distance
[4:21] <chipmadness> Buy a ODroid
[4:21] <PovAddict> does raspbian come with ssh by default?
[4:21] <chipmadness> twice the power, same price
[4:21] <imbezol> would you not think that's telepathy?
[4:21] <taza> PovAddict: Yes
[4:22] <chipmadness> PoVAddict: Yes
[4:22] <PovAddict> great, so I just have to find its IP
[4:22] <chipmadness> yes
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[4:22] <imbezol> telepathy isn't magic. even if you went to some foreign world and they were telepathic.. it wouldn't be with magic. there would be some underlying explanation for how it worked
[4:22] <taza> imbezol: No because I'm not awestruck by the technology of the 1890's
[4:22] <PovAddict> I saw a script somewhere that would blink the IP over the activity LED :D
[4:22] <chipmadness> PovAddict
[4:22] <chipmadness> just use your router
[4:22] <PovAddict> yea
[4:23] <chipmadness> Has anyone here messed with quadcopters and raspberry pi's?
[4:23] <taza> You went from VR to Google Glass to literally nerve reading tech 50 years old to telephone.
[4:23] <taza> Well at least your expectations are more in line
[4:23] <taza> There's always going to be tech five years in the future that remains five years in the future for decades.
[4:23] <readwrite> explanations ruin the mystique
[4:24] <taza> Until it works it doesn't work.
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[4:24] <imbezol> what's your point?
[4:24] <PovAddict> wait I'm an idiot, this is obviously not going to work as-is, I didn't configure the wi-fi password anywhere :P
[4:24] <taza> When the technology has been demonstrated working, THEN start rambling on about it; but you're still going to have to find a reason for a large market to use it for it to get adopted and get research and advancement poured into it
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[4:25] <imbezol> you don't see a market for private secure human to human communication without distance limitation?
[4:26] <taza> Already exists.
[4:26] <taza> Isn't used much, because it turns out the 100% privacy doesn't really matter.
[4:26] <taza> We can somewhat handle vision and sound. We can't handle taste and smell at all, and we can handle touch in very limited cases. Proprioception works sometimes, but usually messing with it turns any device into The Vomit Comet.
[4:26] <phire> imbezol, does it also circumvent the speed of light?
[4:26] <phire> cause I could see some use in that
[4:26] <imbezol> phire: speed of light isn't much of a concern within the planet
[4:27] <atouk> tell that to the high speed traders on wall street
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[4:27] <imbezol> atouk: we're talking about human to human communication
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[4:27] <taza> Yes, well, turns out I can't see a market because THERE ISN'T ONE.
[4:28] <taza> They tried; nobody bought it
[4:28] <atouk> people dont communicate anymore, their devices do. we're just spectators
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[4:28] <taza> atouk: Ah, decade-old internet cynicism.
[4:28] <HoloPed> Is there a problem running 10 pi's on Wifi in close proximity?
[4:29] <taza> Communicating with people is still fulfilling in a way the internet could never be, and people basically need it
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[4:29] <phire> HoloPed, if they are on the same network, only one will transmit at the same time
[4:29] <pepee> HoloPed, probably, yes. AFAIK, everything running through wifi in close proximity will be a problem.
[4:29] <taza> HoloPed: Technically no problem; practically a speed problem.
[4:30] <pepee> I just wonder about the security of these IoT devices... imagine them all being open to the internet and having years old vulnerabilities
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[4:30] <taza> Oh, we'd see script kiddies with botnets taking down gaming services and constant spam emails!
[4:31] <taza> The horrors that Windows IoT will bring!
[4:31] <pepee> much more than that
[4:31] <pepee> wait, are you a microsoft fanboy, taza ?
[4:31] <pepee> I didn't even mention windows here
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[4:31] <taza> ... and here we go with the ad hominem.
[4:31] <taza> "These IoT devices"
[4:31] <taza> IoT is a Windows term; it's Windows 10 IoT
[4:32] <pepee> yes, these IoT devices
[4:32] <pepee> is it?
[4:32] <pepee> I didn't know
[4:32] <taza> Yes.
[4:32] <pepee> I thought most of these devices ran linux.
[4:32] <taza> No, IoT is Windows term for Windows running on small ARM devices.
[4:32] <willmore> Anyone know of a high performance SD<>USB3 adapter that does the full 104MB/s rate on UHS-1 cards?
[4:32] <imbezol> IoT is not a windows thing
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[4:32] <atouk> that's the problem from the MS perspective. they need to ragain their position as the platform of choice before it's too late
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[4:32] <pepee> taza, AFAIK, you are wrong
[4:33] <imbezol> i'm starting to think taza is just trolling
[4:33] <shorted_neuron> IoT is def not a Microsoft thing, they are playing buzzword catch-up
[4:33] <pepee> ^
[4:33] <taza> Ohright goddamnit EEE.
[4:33] <abnormal> lol
[4:33] <taza> Okay yeah I'm getting too tired to argue
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[4:33] <taza> But no, IoT's problems now are nothing compared to Samsung's already existing problems.
[4:34] <taza> And LG's.
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[4:34] <taza> LG are cartoon supervillain level evil about their embedded devices.
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[4:34] <roasted> hi
[4:34] <pepee> I was talking about security, but... ok
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[4:34] <pepee> hi roasted
[4:34] <roasted> I dug around for hardware specs of the pi2 but haven't seemed to confirm this yet. The NIC is not gigabit on the pi2, correct?
[4:34] <taza> pepee: No, I'm also talking about security
[4:34] <willmore> okay, now I know taza is trolling
[4:35] <taza> Dig up Samsung's and LG's smart TV technology.
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[4:35] <willmore> roasted, same as B+
[4:35] <taza> They did some hilariously ill-advised things on those.
[4:35] <roasted> is it shared bus?
[4:35] <willmore> Only real difference is the core SoC. Same USB/ethernet layout.
[4:35] <roasted> :/
[4:35] <pepee> taza, year old linux/windows public bugs are enough of a problem by themselves
[4:35] <pepee> *years old
[4:35] <taza> pepee: Try Android that's never updated.
[4:35] <willmore> roasted, Sorry.
[4:36] <pepee> taza, exactly what I'm talking about
[4:36] <taza> pepee: Again, this has all happened before and it will happen again because technology nerds are as predictable as the dawn.
[4:36] <roasted> I'm waiting for a pi-like device with gigabit and a small onboard SSD. even 8GB would be amazingly super awesomely fantastic
[4:36] <pepee> android as an example of devices that rarely get updates
[4:36] <taza> pepee: How about 24/7 connected Android devices that are not user accessible and don't get updates?
[4:36] <willmore> roasted, are you unaware of the odroid-C1?
[4:36] <atouk> tech nerds aren't predictable. banks are. whatever the new tech is, they still need financing
[4:36] <taza> Because there were reports of Android TVs hacking phones.
[4:37] <roasted> willmore: I wasn't aware that gizmo had an onboard SSD?
[4:37] <taza> atouk: Oh, I've seen enough years of things being declared The Big New Thing to say that tech nerds are super predictable
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[4:37] <willmore> roasted, B+ layout, but gig-e. It also has an eMMC connector for super fast storage.
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[4:37] <willmore> eMMC ~=SSD
[4:37] <atouk> never confuse pr fud with innovation
[4:38] <pepee> you guys are right, the odroid-c1 is much better option than the rpi2 :/
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[4:38] <chipmadness> the Pi 2 has eMMC?
[4:38] <taza> There's little innovation in technology since 2008.
[4:38] <pepee> taza, most nerds do what they are paid to do
[4:38] <willmore> pepee, there is this thing called nuance. You might want to look into it.
[4:38] <pepee> chipmadness, sadly, no
[4:38] <chipmadness> taza wtf are you talking about
[4:38] <pepee> willmore, yeah, depends on use case
[4:38] <taza> The budget crash for research really hurt there, and inventing new things is... uh... well, inventing new things is easy, inventing new things people want to use is different
[4:38] <chipmadness> bro innovation has been rocketing bro
[4:38] <willmore> chipmadness, Pi 2 is pretty much a B+ but with an improved SoC. Same I/O.
[4:38] <chipmadness> taza explain bitcoin
[4:39] <taza> Wait, you serious?
[4:39] * willmore hopes chipmadness stops saying 'bro' unless they're being ironic.
[4:39] <taza> Bitcoin, the world's least stable beanie babies replacement?
[4:39] <phire> the biggest advantage with the Pi over anything else is the community
[4:39] <taza> Bitcoin, the world's least functional transaction database?
[4:39] <willmore> phire, which is good.
[4:39] <ozzzy_> pepee, depends what you want to do
[4:39] <taza> Bitcoin, learning why economical regulation exists one scam at a time?
[4:40] <taza> Bitcoin, why the Network Effect will yet save MySpace.
[4:40] <pepee> well, I wish to have a fast, cheap linux desktop. with open source graphics drivers, if possible
[4:40] <taza> Bitcoin's a perfect example; innovative, yes, useful, no.
[4:40] <willmore> roasted, will that eMMC be enough for you?
[4:40] <chipmadness> taza dont be denial
[4:40] <chipmadness> taza we all thought credit cards were dumb
[4:41] <chipmadness> look at us now
[4:41] <willmore> I do wonder if the uSD interface on the Pi2 is better. Please, oh, please...
[4:41] <chipmadness> taza people said Google was fucking dumb
[4:41] <taza> Yeah, and credit cards didn't crash and burn like Bitcoin did
[4:41] <chipmadness> taza people said amazon was pointless online book store
[4:41] <taza> It's one thing to think Bitcoins are the next big thing back when the price was all goxed up, but now, when it's in basically freefall?
[4:41] <imbezol> and propagate a cross-company RFID infrastructure.
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[4:41] <chipmadness> taza it the price moves alot because there is no adoption
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[4:42] <chipmadness> taza there is no adoption
[4:42] <imbezol> The term “Internet of Things” was popularized by the work of the Auto-ID Center at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), which in 1999 started to design and propagate a cross-company RFID infrastructure.
[4:42] <taza> And there's no adoption because Bitcoin's the worst idea imaginable for a medium of exchange
[4:42] <chipmadness> taza.... no... banks are
[4:42] <imbezol> cuz you all really wanted to know that :)
[4:42] <taza> Banks are pretty solid, as an idea.
[4:42] <chipmadness> taza not really
[4:42] <pepee> thanks for the info, imbezol
[4:42] <chipmadness> they use the same technology back 50 years ago
[4:42] <taza> Fractional reserve banking works fine as long as it's regulated, inflation is necessary for economic health.
[4:42] <pepee> I had no idea
[4:43] <chipmadness> nothing has changed
[4:43] <taza> ... only American banks
[4:43] <chipmadness> taza yes
[4:43] <chipmadness> are you a american
[4:43] <taza> Nah
[4:43] <chipmadness> Were do you live?
[4:43] <chipmadness> Canada?
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[4:43] <chipmadness> Europe?
[4:43] <taza> Across the pond.
[4:43] <chipmadness> Europe?
[4:43] <imbezol> aus, by the name
[4:43] <taza> ... yes, I said "across the pond", which means UK.
[4:44] <taza> (usually)
[4:44] <chipmadness> you live in my back yard?!
[4:44] <chipmadness> lol i have a pond!
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[4:44] <taza> Ah, hello Drax.
[4:44] <chipmadness> Ahhhhh the U.K
[4:44] <pepee> u rich
[4:44] <chipmadness> Very nice
[4:44] <imbezol> let's coin a new term right here today
[4:44] <imbezol> Internet of People
[4:44] <imbezol> for when we all get telepathy :)
[4:45] <taza> Well I'm glad nobody uses it for it's not descriptive at all.
[4:45] <chipmadness> wtf is IoP and telepathy
[4:45] <pepee> uhm, I don't want to expose my mind to the internet :/
[4:45] <pepee> I've already exposed too much info
[4:45] <taza> Your newly coined term has now been deprecated and it's in the past; dead.
[4:45] <pepee> :P
[4:45] <chipmadness> lets talk about quadcopters and pi's
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[4:45] <chipmadness> quadcopters and pis!
[4:46] <pepee> I heard you like quadcopters in your pis so I put quadcopters in your pis so you could..
[4:46] <imbezol> actually googling for internet of people brings up material on the correct subject already
[4:46] <willmore> ouch
[4:46] <imbezol> guess it was too obvious
[4:46] <taza> Bitcoins getting major adoption; the VR revolution without users; embedded devices causing a malware crisis worse than what we have; full VR; and other things we'll not be seeing.
[4:47] <taza> pepee's ill-informed idea is the best constructed, but the problem is we've lived in that world since Android 2 sooo.
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[4:47] <willmore> Now I know who writes Upworthy's headlines.
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[4:47] <taza> All of the rest... yeah, we know what'll happen already, and did before it started.
[4:47] <taza> Because hey research.
[4:48] <pepee> why would you want a flying RPi2?
[4:48] <pepee> :P
[4:48] <taza> We can research past events and draw useful knowledge to apply to new situations!
[4:48] <pepee> people already threw a RPi from space
[4:48] <taza> It's this new thing I don't think is going to catch on.
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[4:49] <plugwash> <taza> We can research past events and draw useful knowledge to apply to new situations! <-- we can but just because an idea has fizzled once doesn't nessacerally mean it will always fizzle
[4:49] <taza> Bitcoin is a microcosm of why finances have shaped the way they have; new technology needs people to buy it; and we're nowhere close to actually handling input/output directly on the nerve layer; and all of this is backed up by oh so mcuh research.
[4:50] <taza> plugwash: Something has to change for the old events to not repeat.
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[4:50] <taza> And the one factor you can count on not changing is people being greedy and self-serving.
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[4:51] <taza> You want to create a new society where people do what's best for everyone instead of just themselves? Go right ahead, just keep your icepick out of me.
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[4:53] <taza> Every technology needs resources to fund development work unless it's something small that can be done on charity basis. Just the way things work.
[4:53] <taza> Except Bitcoin, nothing can save Bitcoin.
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[4:54] <taza> Trustless ledgers are an interesting idea with exactly zero worth, because the currency is given value by who's backing it.
[4:54] <taza> Maybe we'll see an interesting application for the blockchain eventually; it won't be a currency
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[4:55] <irc_smirk> notary service
[4:56] <pepee> didn't that already exist?
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[4:56] <taza> Anything with current cryptocurrencies is tainted by people wanting them to be get-right-quick schemes.
[4:56] <taza> Well, cryptocurrencies in general
[4:57] <Xpl01t> can someone take a screenshot of htop running on RPi2 ?
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[4:58] <phire> it will look the same as any quad computer with 1gb of ram.
[4:58] <taza> Can't have wealth without people wanting whatever you have; for something without an intrinsic value you need a powerful backer.
[4:59] <atouk> no. you need powerful advertising.
[4:59] <taza> No, you need a powerful backer.
[4:59] <taza> Something to give the money a solid base to rely on
[4:59] <pepee> both things
[5:00] <plugwash> and yet clearly someone wants bitcoins, sure it's value has dropped massively from it's peak a year but it hasn't dropped to zero
[5:00] <taza> Otherwise you get good old hyperinflation.
[5:00] <taza> The bitcoin market is ridiculously shallow
[5:00] <pepee> lotsa money and unscrupulous people (aka marketers)
[5:00] <taza> "the banks" know it's a pointless waste of time; any of them could shut down Bitcoin within hours if they wanted to
[5:00] <taza> "the fed" would take even less time
[5:01] <taza> I'm going for a nap now, and if the US government wanted to shut down Bitcoin right now, it'd be permanently unusable by the time I wake up.
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[5:02] <atouk> bitcoin will allow to exist until big money decides taking it over is useful
[5:02] <taza> And they won't
[5:02] <irc_smirk> bitcoin will be the currency bdtween machiens
[5:02] <taza> The transaction limit, the ever-growing power requirements, being tainted by the initial mining - it's worthless.
[5:02] <irc_smirk> like your car paying the meter for you
[5:02] <taza> ... it's not useful for that either
[5:03] <taza> The blockchain scales very, very, very poorly, and there's no need for the mining.
[5:04] <taza> Machines already have a currency for interactions between them - it's called the US dollar.
[5:04] <taza> (or the Euro)
[5:05] <atouk> or gold. or diamonds, or futures. all value is assigned bu outside forces, and people agree to that value by choice or force
[5:05] <taza> The ledger is great for trustless transactions; the problem is that the trustless requirement bloats the technological requirement completely out of shape, and this means bitcoins are meaningless.
[5:05] <taza> Because you can't take the trust out of finance.
[5:06] <taza> It's like taking the observer out of art.
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[5:08] <echelon> are there any retail hardware io for the pi compute mudules
[5:08] <echelon> modules*
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[5:12] <echelon> for a cluster
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[5:26] <ritek> Would the new raspberry pi 2 be capable of 4K output?
[5:27] <[Saint]> No.
[5:28] <[Saint]> The ONLY thing that differs is the CPU cores and the RAM.
[5:29] <[Saint]> Its the same old VideoCore GPU.
[5:29] <[Saint]> (and I'm pretty sure every bit of promotional material I've read so far states this fact)
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[5:42] <ritek> I see
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[5:45] <niston> echelon: I outlined an FPGA based concept to build clusters from CMs
[5:45] <niston> but it was torn apart by critics, so I didn't follow up
[5:45] <echelon> :(
[5:45] <echelon> what critics
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[5:47] <[Saint]> Man. This sucks. Finally a CPU that will run a modern version of Android, but, still that same old GPU that Broadcomm won't release compatible binary blobs for in order to run it GPU accelerated.
[5:48] <[Saint]> Though, at least it won't run as badly as it did on the original raspis with 4x as much CPU to throw at rendering.
[5:48] <[Saint]> It'll just run *realllllly* bad.
[5:48] <[Saint]> Instead of absolutely terribly.
[5:48] <niston> [Saint]: who needs android. we'll have Win10
[5:48] <niston> *gg*
[5:48] <[Saint]> Oh my God. You're joking, right?
[5:48] <niston> ;)
[5:48] <[Saint]> Aha. Phew.
[5:49] <[Saint]> I thought you'd lost your sanity there for a second.
[5:49] * [Saint] will stick with his Hardkernel ODROID C1s
[5:49] <pepee> he isn't joking
[5:50] <niston> echelon: http://i.imgur.com/Ax8a1T1.png
[5:50] <[Saint]> pepee: yes, yes he is.
[5:50] <pepee> [Saint], http://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support
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[5:50] <niston> well, we will eventually have Win10
[5:50] <[Saint]> I'm aware it runs Windows 10.
[5:51] <[Saint]> Perhaps the humor is lost on you pepee
[5:51] <pepee> oh
[5:51] <pepee> yes
[5:51] <pepee> it's late in the night and I'm sleepy :P
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[5:51] <pepee> how is the support for the odroid, btw?
[5:52] <[Saint]> It was essentially: "Who needs operating system X than runs terribly when we already have operating system Y that is also terrible (for many other reasons)"
[5:52] <niston> echelon: the idea is to provide a dedicated USB2.0 lane to each CM, and have a "simulated NIC" for each on the FPGA end.
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[5:52] <[Saint]> pepee: pretty much nonexistent.
[5:52] <pepee> sorry for having you explain the joke [Saint] :/
[5:53] <pepee> really?
[5:53] <[Saint]> No probloem. I know what its like to be tired as hell and miss the point.
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[5:53] <[Saint]> I do it allllllll the time.
[5:53] <niston> gah
[5:53] <niston> I woke up at 1:43 am today
[5:53] <echelon> niston: urgh.. usb?
[5:53] <echelon> why?
[5:53] <[Saint]> pepee: well, yeah, compared to the raspi the community and support is pretty much nonexistent.
[5:53] <echelon> just make use of the so-dimm slots
[5:54] <niston> echelon huh?
[5:54] <pepee> for the c1? :/
[5:54] <[Saint]> pepee: I mean, they have decent forums, I guess, but basically the support isn't really needed because it runs a 'proper' debian straight out of the box.
[5:54] <niston> the CM uses a SO-DIMM form factor but otherwise has nothing to do with SO-DIMM memory.
[5:54] <pepee> man, will there ever be an ARM SoC with decent, open source drivers?
[5:54] <[Saint]> Nope.
[5:54] <echelon> i know, but why usb
[5:54] <niston> because using CSI/DSI will be impossible without some help from RPF
[5:55] <[Saint]> ^ this
[5:55] <niston> also by emulating an USB NIC, software would readily run on it
[5:55] <echelon> just create a custom board to interface maybe 10 modules
[5:55] <pepee> I wish AMD released an ARM SoC, or a cheaper x86 APU
[5:55] <niston> echelon: the CM has no other busses.
[5:55] <abnormal> I think AMD do make them for servers
[5:56] <pepee> they aren't APUs, though
[5:56] <niston> USB and CSI/DSI.
[5:56] <niston> that's about it.
[5:56] <niston> there's also no ethernet chip on the CM
[5:56] <[Saint]> pepee: someone "just" needs to write a bare metal driver for the VideoCore GPU.
[5:56] <niston> if there was, it would be attached to the SoC by USB
[5:56] <pepee> and I remember reading that they can't release ARM SoCs with their radeon GPUs...
[5:56] <[Saint]> pepee: its happening, as we speak, but the going in the reverse engineering department is slooooow.
[5:56] <niston> just like the USB Hub/Ethernet IC on the "regular" RPi is.
[5:57] <niston> so basically the only high speed bus available on the BCM SoC is USB.
[5:57] <pepee> [Saint], I know there is an ex Intel dev working on vc4, but I read in this channel that the vc4 driver is too basic, is that true?
[5:58] <pepee> has anyone tried running the latest mesa-git + linux-git?
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[6:04] <niston> pepee: what about AMD Geode?
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[6:04] <pepee> aren't those too expensive?
[6:04] <niston> I suspect they're pretty cheap
[6:04] <pepee> expensive for devs IIRC
[6:05] <niston> pcengines makes cheap boards based on them
[6:05] <pepee> I'm not a dev though, I wish I could make (and sell) cheap desktops
[6:05] <niston> http://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm
[6:05] <pepee> (I don't have money, though, I'm just daydreaming)
[6:07] <niston> there's also http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm based on AMD G series T40E APU
[6:07] <niston> since its a pretty small manufacturer, I believe the chips can't be that expensive.
[6:07] <niston> (its basically a one-man-show)
[6:09] <niston> and I seriously doubt the guy has gotten billions of venture capital to set up shop
[6:09] <pepee> http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4
[6:12] <pepee> yeah, I think it would actually be more expensive to buy from him than to buy the cheapest AMD APUs in my country...
[6:16] <niston> he sells complete systems though, not just chips.
[6:16] <pepee> yeah, I mean, APU + mobo + RAM
[6:17] <pepee> and a cheap laptop charger... but I haven't seen any AM1 mobo that supports a laptop charger in this country :/
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[6:18] <niston> and that will go for less than $150 complete?
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[6:19] <pepee> $150 + VAT, yes
[6:21] <pepee> http://www.solohardware.net/products/16131-amd-sempron-2650/ http://www.solohardware.net/products/17158-ecs-kam1-i/ http://www.solohardware.net/products/5198-kingston-kth-pl313es2g-1-x-2-gb-dimm-ddr3-1333-ecc/
[6:22] <pepee> ^ = $100
[6:23] <niston> radical
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[6:48] <uriah> hello
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[6:48] <Jesperhead> anyone tried clustering their pis for a more powerful computer?
[6:49] <uriah> i was wondering whether the raspi supports running the sd card in read-only mode (i.e. with the sd card physically switched to read-only)
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[6:49] <uriah> the following dmesg output seems to indicate that this is not possible:
[6:49] <uriah> [ 3.220997] mmc0: host does not support reading read-only switch, assuming write-enable
[6:49] <uriah> what do you all think?
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[6:50] <Xark> uriah: I am not positive, but I think it ignores the "write protect" switch. However, you should be able to make the kernel mount the SD read-only (typically "ro" kernel command line, but with DOS partition may need to edit something else on RPi).
[6:51] <uriah> hmm, i see...
[6:51] <uriah> that is unfortunate
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[6:52] <Xark> uriah: Yes. See https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/5112/running-on-read-only-sd-card
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[6:52] <uriah> Xark: do you think it would be safe to remove the sd card while running the pi once i've copied a squashfs image into the ram, mount an overlay fs combining it to a tmpfs, and then run switch_root into that directory so that the sd card never gets used (i.e. the entire OS is loaded to memory)?
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[6:53] <Xark> uriah: I think there is a way to make it safe, but just yanking it is not the best idea (it will still "think" /boot is there e.g.).
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[6:54] <uriah> hmm, well, if /boot is not mounted?
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[6:54] <uriah> i mean, once the firmware has been loaded by the pi, and then the kernel, it doesn't touch /boot unless you mount it within linux, no?
[6:54] <Xark> uriah: In my experience, since that is / is "hard" to not mount it...
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[6:55] <uriah> ok
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[6:56] <uriah> well, thanks for the advice
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[6:58] <Xark> uriah: NP. Also, as I understand it, you always need a SD card to boot RPi (so perhaps just get "tiny" SD card to hold /boot and put your root partition on another device).
[6:58] <uriah> well, that's not exactly what i want ;)
[6:58] <uriah> basically, i want /boot to be inaccessible
[6:59] <uriah> and it seems like the only way to do that is to remove the sd card after booting
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[7:00] <Xark> uriah: Ok, but it will cause "kernel panic" when/if kernel tries to touch it (so not a great way, IMHO).
[7:00] <abnormal> an idea, can you the pi compute module, since it has an on board eemc on it that can hold the boot, would that work better?
[7:00] <uriah> so, well, the only way to make that possible is to copy the os into a tmpfs (i.e. into memory), run from there, then remove the card... just like when you copy a livecd into the ram
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[7:01] <uriah> then you can take the cd drive out
[7:01] <uriah> i mean the cd out of the drive* (sorry, i'm getting tired i guess)
[7:01] <Xark> uriah: OK, but you will have to hack the startup scripts to that that AFAIK. It uses some "hack" to make it think it switches root from /boot to /, but that seems to "keep a hold on" /boot.
[7:02] <uriah> basically, the purpose of this is to prevent a nefarious user from modifying the contents of /boot and putting a rootkit into the kernel
[7:02] <uriah> Xark: hmm, wouldn't that depend on the distribution?
[7:02] <Xark> uriah: Yes, this is with Raspbian.
[7:02] <uriah> ah ok
[7:03] <uriah> i'm not running raspbian :P
[7:03] <Xark> uriah: However, it may be similar on other distros because of the SD card boot on RPi (not sure).
[7:03] <pragmatism> What are you running?
[7:03] <pragmatism> uriah ^^
[7:03] <uriah> gentoo
[7:03] <Xark> uriah: I find it odd I don't see any good posts outlining a method...
[7:03] <uriah> took a while :P
[7:03] <uriah> but with distcc it's shorter
[7:03] <uriah> it's like 3x shorter about
[7:04] <Xark> uriah: I would think you could have some ramfs that could switch to another root (perhaps in ram also) and not have any "hook" to SD card.
[7:04] <uriah> cool
[7:04] <uriah> but will the pi crash if it can't find an sd card, even though it doesn't need to read it?
[7:05] <abnormal> you can try it, like trial / error...
[7:05] <uriah> yeah
[7:05] <uriah> i should back my work up first though ;)
[7:06] <uriah> otherwise if i kill the sd card by yanking it out... byebye
[7:06] <uriah> lol
[7:06] <abnormal> but the compute module has an on board emmc that will work
[7:06] <uriah> abnormal: is that read-only?
[7:06] <abnormal> or get a beaglebone black
[7:07] <abnormal> you can make it that way.
[7:07] <uriah> abnormal: do you mean by mounting it read-only? because if someone roots me, that can be undone
[7:07] <abnormal> you can make the SD card read only too.
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[7:07] <uriah> well, according to dmesg, the read-only switch on the sd card is ignored by the pi
[7:08] <abnormal> just use a really tough password
[7:08] <uriah> heheh
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[7:08] <Xark> uriah: When I tried something similar (set USB HDD as root), the RPi would crash whenever something wanted to check /boot (and some programs looked there to check settings).
[7:08] <uriah> passwords aren't necessarily needed to acquire root privileges ;)
[7:08] <Triffid_Hunter> uriah: if you switch_root properly and unmount the card, I think it should be safe to remove it
[7:08] <uriah> Xark: hmm, i see... like what programs?
[7:08] <Xark> uriah: Supposedly the read-only switch isn't even connected to the RPi. :)
[7:08] <uriah> Triffid_Hunter: that's good news :)
[7:08] <abnormal> well ask shiftplusone
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[7:09] <Xark> uriah: I don't recall.
[7:09] <Triffid_Hunter> uriah: I've hand-crafted initramfs for various systems so I understand the switch_root dance, haven't tried on the pi though
[7:09] <Xark> uriah: If you are on Gentoo, then this may be less likely (as it generally isn't RPi aware like Raspian).
[7:10] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: I find it odd I couldn't find any info on doing that on the RPi. Maybe I just missed it (or maybe there is a complication)?
[7:10] <uriah> Triffid_Hunter: ok, well, i guess if nothing's being written to the card when i yank it out, the pi won't freak out, right?
[7:10] <Triffid_Hunter> uriah: or read from the card, yeah
[7:11] <uriah> yeah...
[7:11] <Triffid_Hunter> Xark: maybe no-one's done it because you'd have to put the card in to boot the pi again?
[7:11] <uriah> brb
[7:11] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: Perhaps...but it would be nice to logically unmount it (so it can't be altered).
[7:12] <Triffid_Hunter> Xark: that's part of the switch_root dance, which is why I said it should work if done properly ;)
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[7:13] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: Yes, I am familiar with that. It was a few years ago now, but I spend a day and couldn't get it to "not care" about SD card (but things may have changed since then, or I may have done something wrong).
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[7:15] <Triffid_Hunter> switch_root is a tricky beast, it can only be properly called from PID=1, so busybox ash with builtins as function calls works nicely
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[7:17] <Triffid_Hunter> also, for best results it's better to use an initramfs to evaluate disks and switch_root rather than mounting a proper rootfs then trying to switch
[7:18] <Triffid_Hunter> not sure if the bootloader on the rpi can give the kernel an initramfs, but if it can then that'll make everything tons easier
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[7:19] <abnormal> but bootloader is on the SD card?
[7:20] <uriah> Triffid_Hunter: you can build an initramfs into the kernel, which solves the problem :)
[7:20] <abnormal> and the ram don't hold that data in there until pi is off?
[7:21] <Xark> abnormal: You still need SD to boot, the idea is to remove all "hooks" to SD card so it can be (safely) removed after boot (or just unmounted).
[7:21] <abnormal> ahh.. I see now...
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[7:24] <Triffid_Hunter> uriah: yep there you go, do that
[7:25] <uriah> Triffid_Hunter: hmm?
[7:25] <uriah> so what?
[7:25] <uriah> do*
[7:25] <uriah> i pretty much have no hooks to /boot once i'm booted though
[7:26] <uriah> i keep it unmounted until it's time to update the bootloader or kernel
[7:26] <Xark> uriah: If you can "umount /boot" then you are golden...
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[7:26] <uriah> yeah
[7:26] <uriah> ok cool
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[7:33] <Triffid_Hunter> uriah: build your initramfs into the kernel
[7:33] <uriah> ah ok
[7:33] <uriah> yeah
[7:33] <uriah> i already do :P for fde
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[7:37] <uriah> anyway, thanks for all of your help everyone... time for bed now
[7:37] <uriah> goodnight!
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[8:38] <Joost`> what would you guys suggest would be the best way to get debian jessie running on a raspberry pi?
[8:38] <Joost`> raspbian?
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[8:42] <ShorTie> best/easiest sortta depends on what all you want, imho
[8:43] <ShorTie> like, you want a desktop ??
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[8:44] <ShorTie> how close to raspbian do you want it ??
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[8:47] <irc_smirk> hi
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[8:48] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[8:48] <niston> Morning ShorTie o/
[8:48] <Joost`> ShorTie: nah, console only will do
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[8:49] <ShorTie> just console, net install then i guess
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[8:50] <ShorTie> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[8:50] <Joost`> sounds good
[8:50] <ShorTie> that will install the basics, then your on your own
[8:52] <mpmc> What are the chances of me getting my Pi2 today from Parcel force xD very little I doubt :p
[8:52] <irc_smirk> wha twould you use it for that requires more from it
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[9:20] <clonak> does anyone know how big of a SD card the original Model B can take ?
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[9:22] <ShorTie> atleast 16g, how big you want ??
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[9:22] <clonak> found it, 32gb.
[9:22] <clonak> everythging was coming up about the B+,
[9:23] <clonak> Thanks though. :)
[9:23] <SpeedEvil> Is the Pi2 still unaccellerated under X?
[9:23] <ShorTie> it's the formatting that is more of a problemo on 'big' sdcards
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[9:25] <ShorTie> the boot section mustbe formatted fat, exfat does not work
[9:26] <ShorTie> 'big' sdcards are exfat
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[9:26] <day-> does anyone own the new rasp2 here yet?
[9:26] <clonak> I currently have a 32gb, works fine,
[9:27] <clonak> but I was wondering if I could up it to a 64gb, as I need filling it up,
[9:27] <clonak> often by mistake,
[9:27] <clonak> I think Ill just leave it.
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[9:29] <day-> any idea how the rasp2 will compare to the odroid c1?
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[9:30] <SpeedEvil> I guess a lot more info tomorrow when more people get them
[9:30] <day-> i was amazed that they even were in stock in germany
[9:31] <day-> at release day :O
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[9:33] <ShorTie> clonak, have you thought about a usb device instead of an sdcard maybe ??
[9:33] <ShorTie> about 70%
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[9:36] <Jck_true> So... It's all fine and dandy with the new Model 2.... But... How much else has chanced besides the CPU? Will it support faster SD cards?
[9:36] <Jck_true> Has the USB speed increased?
[9:36] <niston> nope
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[9:38] <Xark> Jck_true: Supposedly with improved CPU it can saturate 100Mbps Ethernet (maybe 80% previously at max CPU).
[9:38] <SpeedEvil> Is the USB still sharing the network and the USB, or has that been fixd?
[9:38] <Jck_true> Ahh right - But no UHC?
[9:38] <Xark> Jck_true: No SD difference.
[9:38] <day-> SpeedEvil: dont make me regret my buy T_T
[9:38] <niston> SpeedEvil: same thing
[9:39] <Jck_true> Shame :)
[9:39] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Same deal.
[9:39] <SpeedEvil> I need to look at the specs properly - I ahven't found an answer on GPU accelleration under X.
[9:39] <Jck_true> I'll still order one :)
[9:39] <niston> SpeedEvil: I was under the impression that X was accelerated even on the Pi 1 ?
[9:39] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, I'm not awake enough to get my 3g internet bridged properly over onto my PC
[9:39] <SpeedEvil> niston: It's not
[9:40] <Jck_true> Will replace my XBMC setup :) Thanks peps :)
[9:40] <Ben64> couldn't it be now, since the videocore is open?
[9:40] <SpeedEvil> niston: Certain fullscreen operations are accellerated
[9:40] <SpeedEvil> Err
[9:40] <SpeedEvil> It's been long enough since I looked at this that in principle the above answer may be oudated.
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[9:40] <Xark> X is designed to be slow. :)
[9:40] <niston> weird
[9:41] <niston> there's discussions about accelerated X dating back to 2012 on the forum
[9:41] <niston> then again who needs X :P
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[9:42] <Xark> niston: Yes, and my recollection is they did a few things that were helpful (but not earth shattering improvement).
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[9:43] <SpeedEvil> Xark: yes - but when X is slower on the Pi - by _LOTS_ than a PII/300 laptop of 10 years ago
[9:43] <SpeedEvil> 14?
[9:43] <SpeedEvil> I think more like 14
[9:43] <day-> much more
[9:43] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Yes, well, the new Pi will drastically improve that. Old Pi had just about as much CPU as a 10 year old PC. :)
[9:43] <day-> ibm a21m was build around 2000 and already has a p3 750Mhz
[9:43] <niston> pII was pre-2000 though
[9:44] * niston remebers getting a dual P3 in 1999
[9:44] <irc_smirk> is the new CPU really that drastically better?
[9:44] <niston> err no that was 2000
[9:44] * day- still owns a a21m :P
[9:44] <SpeedEvil> Toshiba 3110CT specifically
[9:44] <SpeedEvil> irc_smirk: I was referring to the first version of teh Pi
[9:44] <SpeedEvil> I have not to my knowledge used a Pi 2
[9:44] <Xark> irc_smirk: I'd say yes. Benchmarks show it minimum of 1.7x per core and typically 3x or more - and there are four cores now.
[9:45] <niston> Eben said its a real PC now :P
[9:45] <SpeedEvil> Xark: Which is fine - if graphics is also accellerated in normal use.
[9:45] * Xark links https://learn.adafruit.com/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-2-model-b?view=all
[9:45] * Xark notes ^ some real benchmarks
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[9:46] <day-> they should make a version without a gpu and more cpu power instead :/
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[9:46] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Have you seen YouTube of new Pi desktop, it looks quite usable (that is hard to say about previous model)?
[9:46] <niston> day- the GPU is essential to their design
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[9:46] <SpeedEvil> Xark: Interesting
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[9:46] <niston> in fact it couldn't boot without the videocore
[9:46] <day-> niston: doesnt have to be a raspberry. just a wild dream of mine :)
[9:47] <SpeedEvil> Xark: Unfortunately, I've not been able to get up the energy to properly bridge my 3g dodgy internet connection to my desktop, so am stuck on my tablet which doesn't work well for browsing.
[9:47] <Xark> SpeedEvil: I see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo8RT8Wpv6w is good (at about 5:00 in)
[9:48] <SpeedEvil> Thanks
[9:49] <Xark> (Actually that whole video is quite well done overview of new RPi 2)
[9:50] <Xark> BTW, reading this on the forum: "findx wrote:I wonder if they've fixed the USB controller in this silicon so it doesn't need all that FIQ fun. -> Gert van Loo: We could not touch the USB but the ARM has a special 'USB timer' I added as response to a request from the USB dive driver developer... "
[9:51] <Xark> (So perhaps that means somewhat improved USB?)
[9:52] <Xark> Also "SB SSD goes from about 27MB/s on Pi1 to 31MB/s on Pi2." (from jdb RPi Engineer)
[9:52] <Xark> USB*
[9:53] <niston> USB performance should be "somewhat" improved due to SMP
[9:53] <niston> ie CPU cycles available to both USB stack and whatever is using it
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[10:06] <SpeedEvil> The 1GB RAM chip is on the bottom of the board.
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[10:06] <SpeedEvil> Obvious question is obvious.
[10:06] <niston> Captain Obvious?
[10:06] <ShorTie> cool, raspi-config/over clock, Pi21000MHz ARM, 500MHz core,.....
[10:06] <Xark> SpeedEvil: The CPU is bigger, so it can't be PoP anymore.
[10:07] <niston> ShorTie: lol 21GHz?
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> Err - that was not teh obvious question I was referring to.
[10:07] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Supposedly since the ARM core is exposed that helps cooling (so a heatsink will help more, if you are so inclined).
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning 'Can I swap it for a 2G'
[10:07] <Xark> SpeedEvil: I doubt it. :)
[10:07] <niston> doubt it.
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> And yes - it would require some things.
[10:07] <niston> they already needed trickery to get 1 gig supported
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[10:08] <SpeedEvil> I should note that I spent about a week trying to source the appropriate RAM to upgrade my phone.
[10:08] <SpeedEvil> Micron did do a suitable part to take the nokia n900 to 512Mbytes
[10:08] <ShorTie> oops, sorry took out to many spaces
[10:08] <ShorTie> cool, raspi-config/over clock, Pi2 1000MHz ARM, 500MHz core,.....*
[10:09] <SpeedEvil> And yes, I know it's POP - also providing a convenient upgrade for the CPU at the same time
[10:09] <niston> SpeedEvil: not sure, but I think the memory controller might not recognize the additional gig if you soldered a 2 gig chip
[10:09] <SpeedEvil> (next speed bump)
[10:10] <Ben64> wait
[10:11] <Ben64> why was someone saying the raspberry pi couldn't max out the ethernet
[10:11] <ali1234> because it can't?
[10:11] <ShorTie> yup, Device tree in latest image
[10:11] <Ben64> <Xark> Jck_true: Supposedly with improved CPU it can saturate 100Mbps Ethernet (maybe 80% previously at max CPU).
[10:11] <Ben64> ali1234: uh, it can
[10:11] <ali1234> the ethernet is hanging off the one and only USB port, which is also a really bad USB controller
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[10:11] <Ben64> usb 2.0 > 100mbit
[10:12] <ali1234> so?
[10:12] <niston> 480mbps theoretically
[10:12] <Ben64> it can do 100mbit
[10:12] <Ben64> no problem
[10:12] <ali1234> 100mbit eternet is full duplex for one thing
[10:12] <Xark> Ben64: It can according to a gentleman who was in the channel yesterday.
[10:12] <ali1234> USB is not
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[10:12] <Xark> (who has a RPi2 and has tested it)
[10:12] <Ben64> 200mbit < usb 2.0
[10:13] <niston> someone should hack DSI/CSI already
[10:13] <Ben64> i have a raspberry pi model b from launch
[10:13] <Ben64> doing 100mbit with no difficulty
[10:13] <Xark> Ben64: As do I, and I could never saturate 100Mb/sec (that would be ~80MB/sec or so bulk transfer).
[10:13] <niston> Ben64: iptraf ?
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[10:14] <ShorTie> thats why it had to be, bcm2708-rpi-b.dtb or bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb
[10:14] <Ben64> i just used wget
[10:14] <ali1234> so not full duplex then
[10:14] <ppq> 100 MBit/s is 12.5 MByte/s, Xark
[10:14] <Ben64> pretty sure i said 100mbit
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[10:14] <shiftplusone> niston, had to shelve the dsi/csi work. Near impossible to get it to work anywhere at acceptable speeds without going back to verilog (which of course is guarded by blind monks... who you'd think wouldn't be very good guards, but still... oblivion was a good game)
[10:14] <niston> heh
[10:15] <Xark> ppq: Yeah, I added a zero, but with TCP/IP overhead I don't think you generally get 10MB/sec.
[10:15] <Xark> ppq: More like 8MB/sec
[10:15] <Ben64> 11.2
[10:15] <niston> hmmm
[10:15] <ppq> Xark, on the pi, yea
[10:15] <niston> so no high speed interfacing :(
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> Is the Pi2 USB the same config as the Pi1? That is - one host port, connected to a hub/NIC chip.
[10:15] <ali1234> DSI/CSI are the display and camera connectors right?
[10:15] <niston> SpeedEvil yes
[10:15] <ali1234> why would you want to hack those?
[10:15] <niston> LAN9514 I think
[10:16] <niston> ali1234: to (ab)use them as high speed I/O
[10:16] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Yes, exact same support chip (however, more CPU makes it less painful).
[10:16] <shiftplusone> ali1234, because they can transfer any data... very fast.
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[10:16] <ali1234> but... don't they already do that?
[10:16] <niston> ali1234: arbitrary I/O, not just camera picture in and display picture out
[10:16] <ali1234> is there an actual difference between them btw? with the right drivers could you have two displays or two cameras?
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> Xark: Holy <eighteen pages omitted to comply with channel policies>
[10:17] <niston> oh well
[10:17] <niston> so USB remains the only viable option for building a cluster of CMs :/
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[10:17] <shiftplusone> ali1234, right now it's just for the camera and a display (which isn't out yet). If we can make a generic linux driver.... that opens up a lot of interesting possibilities.
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[10:18] <SpeedEvil> They made a NEW CPU, aimed largely at the Pi, and _DID_NOT_ add NIC baseband so as to reduce power, and actually increase broadcoms profit and make the system much better?
[10:18] <niston> "Ethernet over CSI/DSI"
[10:18] <SpeedEvil> What the ...
[10:18] <ali1234> can you get a breakout board for that connector anywhere?
[10:18] <niston> SpeedEvil: backward compatibility
[10:18] <niston> its teh holy grail
[10:19] <ali1234> are there any compatible displays at all or is everything spi/i2c/hdmi?
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[10:19] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Supposedly this is a custom chip designed for the Raspberry Pi that changes as little as possible but replaces ARM core only.
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> Backwards compatibility when it embeds +100mA or so power consumption and lack of GB NIC and suckyness of one USB port sharing eeverything...
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> lol
[10:20] <Ben64> save that for the raspberry pi 2 c
[10:20] <niston> SpeedEvil: I was hoping for USB 3.0
[10:20] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, what Xark said. It was basically a no-budget upgrade.
[10:20] <niston> for a very brief moment.
[10:21] <Jck_true> The backwards compatibility not making alot sense when you move to a multicore setup anyway...
[10:21] <ali1234> i think it's more about making it ARMv7 compatible and not having to maintain a distro just for the pi
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[10:22] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: Done right - an integral NIC should be a _negative_ cost.
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[10:22] <ali1234> SpeedEvil: for manufacture yes, but someone still would have to design it :)
[10:23] <Ben64> and it wouldn't "just work"
[10:24] <Ben64> leave that for a different model
[10:24] <niston> well you can have gigabit ethernet for your Pi. just use an USB dongle.
[10:24] <Ben64> limited to usb2 speed though
[10:24] <niston> yup
[10:25] <shiftplusone> Unfortunately, I can't talk about the specifics, but this is the only way the pi could've been upgraded at this time (and still remain the pi).
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[10:26] <SpeedEvil> Limited to USB _SHARED_ speed.
[10:26] * SpeedEvil sighs.
[10:26] <Ben64> its not that bad
[10:27] <Ben64> what do you need >480mbit for
[10:27] <ShorTie> shiftplusone, cm2 in the works ??
[10:27] <niston> Ben64: capturing gigabit traffic
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[10:28] <Xark> SpeedEvil: Buy a programmable router platform if you want killer networking. :)
[10:28] <Ben64> ^ding
[10:28] <niston> friend of mine uses BananaPi for that matter.
[10:28] <niston> dunno how it performs though.
[10:29] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, yes, but it's a while away.
[10:29] <niston> the idea was to have relatively cheap distributed probes (its an ISP environment)
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> Xark: the sucky low-power behaviour bothers me way more, as does the lack of sensible USB
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> 100mbits - meh
[10:30] <ShorTie> ok, just a wondering for niston in away
[10:30] <niston> yeah I already asked about that :P
[10:30] <niston> apparently CM2 will even be pin compatible
[10:30] <niston> which is kinda YAYY
[10:31] <ali1234> what was that wifi thing they were talking about in the video yesterday? wipi or pifi they called it...
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[10:32] <djazz> I'll have my RPi 2 by tonight ^^
[10:32] <Ben64> how
[10:32] <djazz> i ordered yesterday
[10:32] <Ben64> :(
[10:32] <djazz> and it was in stock where I ordered
[10:33] <irc_smirk> where??
[10:33] <djazz> RS online Sweden
[10:33] <Ben64> i'll wait for them to show up on amazon prime
[10:34] <Xark> Ben64: Hey, good idea. :)
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> Amazon prime is great at the start of the year. I mean - Jan 1,3,5,7. Once it gets to Febuary - it's lots less good.
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[10:35] <Ben64> SpeedEvil: how do you figure
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[10:36] <SpeedEvil> 'Prime'
[10:36] <SpeedEvil> nvm
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[10:36] <Xark> Math joke. :)
[10:36] <Ben64> oh
[10:37] <Ben64> i should have caught that
[10:37] <niston> Optimus :)
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[10:38] <shiftplusone> agh... server melting again
[10:39] <niston> hit the SCRAM button.. now!
[10:40] <Xark> niston: Looks like he did "You are viewing this website in maintenance mode due to high traffic - the full site will be back shortly."
[10:40] <niston> hehehe
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[11:30] <curlymo> in case of the raspberry pi 2, do we need to change the raspbian apt sources? of can we still use http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/?
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[11:31] <shiftplusone> no need to change anything
[11:31] <curlymo> ok
[11:32] <curlymo> anyone willing to test wiringx on the new device?
[11:32] <shiftplusone> wiringx? =/
[11:32] <curlymo> www.wiringx.org
[11:33] <curlymo> cross-platform gpio interface
[11:33] <shiftplusone> ah, wiringpi works fine here so I'm not sure I get it.
[11:34] <curlymo> it makes all ARM GPIO programs capable to run natively on all wiringX supported devices
[11:35] <shiftplusone> Yeah I can see the point for people who like using a variety of boards.
[11:35] <curlymo> i'm just asking for testers, not for adopters ;)
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[11:36] <shiftplusone> I get that and I'll let the people who are interested chime in rather than get in the way >.>
[11:36] <curlymo> *sigh* :p
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[11:37] <curlymo> ideally, all manufacturers should support wiringx so developers don't have to choose between wiringpi versions
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[11:46] <shiftplusone> well no, ideally all developers should use raspberry pis =P
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[11:47] <Jck_true> shiftplusone: curlymo: GPIO using PHP on RaspberryPi....
[11:47] <Jck_true> The only true way...
[11:47] <curlymo> think of how great it would be if all manufacturers would work together to provide a single full features gpio library like wiringX
[11:47] <curlymo> again *sigh* PHP and GPIO :)
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[11:48] <Jck_true> curlymo: I got a project in PHP that generates windows BAT files for video conversions? :P
[11:49] <Jck_true> And I got a chatbot for an RTMP/Flash webchat also buildt in PHP (It does leak a little memory so I have to kill it periodically)
[11:49] <phw> I am looking for a gpio board that enables teaching in and output. It is not possible to solder and I need it for a class of 12-20 people; Can you suggest a board?
[11:49] <curlymo> i developed wiringx for the purpose of pilight after i developed the gpio library for the Hummingboard. I was amazed how nasty it is to implement different small form factor computers properly.
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[11:50] <curlymo> so i created wiringx that does it for you.
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[11:50] <Jck_true> phw: Has to be Raspberry? If it's pure GPIO I would go with Arduino
[11:51] <phw> Nope, it is a "advanced" course for raspi users
[11:51] <niston> phw: PiFace
[11:52] <phw> I would have taken the Pibrella board (3 LEDs as output, 1 Button as input), but it is not available to the institutions vendor
[11:52] <Jck_true> Speaking of boards... Is there any cheap boards that provides a solid switch mode PSU (12V ) and some basic input protection on a few pins?
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[11:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ you would be best of doing yourself with a buck converer .... IMO
[11:54] <phw> niston: what kind of connections does it have? I see 4 buttons but only outputs via cable (which is fine for "real" usage, but due to classroom restrictions i cannot provide any connection material)
[11:54] <ShorTie> if you l@@k at wiringx github, you see 'Support for Raspberry Pi 2 (Untested)' 11 hours ago
[11:54] <curlymo> i know, i did that commit myself :)
[11:54] <niston> it has screw terminals
[11:54] <niston> if that's what you mean?
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[11:54] <niston> and 8 leds
[11:54] <ShorTie> ok, oh
[11:54] <ShorTie> sorry
[11:54] <niston> (for the outputs)
[11:54] <shiftplusone> curlymo, if you have mirrored the changes to wiringpi (spi stuff and base address), it should be fine.
[11:55] <curlymo> wiringx only supports input, output, interrupts and i2c
[11:55] <curlymo> didn't need more for my program
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[11:55] <curlymo> and i indeed ported it right (i think) but like to have it confirmed by real life testing.
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[11:56] <curlymo> as far as i could see the only real change was the gpio memory base address
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[11:57] <phw> niston: oh, i guess you are talking about that one: http://www.piface.org.uk/products/piface_control_and_display/ ?
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[11:59] <niston> no
[11:59] <niston> I'm referring to PiFace digital
[11:59] <niston> http://www.piface.org.uk/products/piface_digital/
[11:59] <niston> there's 8 SMD leds below the screw terminals on the upper board edge
[11:59] <niston> one for each output channel
[12:00] <niston> (upper board edge as shown in the pic on that page)
[12:01] <phw> niston: oh, so when I am accessing the "outputs" it also triggers the LEDs, which would be absolutely enough for the course;
[12:01] <niston> yes
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[12:02] <phw> niston: and the switches act like inputs?
[12:02] <niston> yup
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[12:02] <niston> they are momentary push buttons
[12:03] <niston> only 4 of them though (while there are 8 inputs)
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[12:03] <phw> niston: for this course this is plenty of input - i wanted to use the pibrella (much cheaper, yet only 3 leds and 1 button)
[12:05] <phw> niston: thank you very much for explaining it to me - i thought the "status leds" were not programmable but used to display the "health state" of the board (or something similar)
[12:05] <niston> yw
[12:05] <niston> take care though, the original PiFace won't fit on a Model B+ Pi
[12:05] <niston> https://www.modmypi.com/piface-digital-2-raspberry-pi-model-b-plus-expansion-board
[12:06] <niston> this one will
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[12:12] <Joost`> what would be a the main argument for a raspberry pi 2 versus a similarly priced ODROID?
[12:12] <niston> Pi is made in the UK
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[12:13] <steve_rox> yea im suprised our country makes anythin anymore
[12:13] <niston> and uhm
[12:13] <niston> it's like
[12:13] <niston> some generic, off-brand coke
[12:13] <niston> vs
[12:13] <niston> Classic Coke
[12:13] <niston> :D
[12:13] <ShorTie> profits of pi goto education
[12:13] * niston wonders if anyone got the Breaking Bad reference there...
[12:15] * mpmc is still waiting for parcelforce to deliver his shiny..
[12:15] * Saphyel hates windows 10
[12:15] <steve_rox> i think most of us hate windows 10 even before its out
[12:16] <niston> Joost`: also, not sure if ODROID has anywhere near the same community & software support as does the RPi
[12:16] <Joost`> yeah, I can imagine the community will be quite different
[12:16] <curlymo> because ODROID runs on a Mali GPU which is terrible in regard to getting GPU acceleration to work
[12:16] <niston> steve_rox: I'll take the holoLens though
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[12:16] <Saphyel> and Pi2 too u_u I bought my Pi B+ 1 month ago...
[12:17] <Hix> niston RS order? I've just recieved an update saying dispatched. Should have gone out yesterday. Methinks they have been overloaded as now out of stock
[12:17] <steve_rox> that werid headgear thing?
[12:17] <niston> steve_rox: yup
[12:17] <niston> its actually pretty cool from what I've seen
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[12:17] <niston> Hix: not sure?
[12:17] <steve_rox> well they will cost a bomb
[12:18] <niston> steve_rox: perhaps
[12:18] <steve_rox> only when ms latest venture fails they will be affordable
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[12:18] <niston> perhaps it's gonna be subsidized just like the x-box
[12:19] <steve_rox> we got good cheap lazor diodes out of their failed HD drive things
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[12:19] <steve_rox> so i guess their stupidity/fails are our gains
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[12:45] <megaproxy> should CLI raspbien screen blank?
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[12:50] <Kamuela> Saw the buzz on Facebook :)
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[12:52] <knob> Good morning all =)
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[12:54] <Kamuela> morning knob
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[12:55] <knob> Hello Kamuela ! o/
[12:55] <knob> How's it going over there?
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[12:57] <Kamuela> in england? cold then hot
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[13:39] <solsTiCe> hi. I am disgruntled. I just bought my Pi B a week ago. now the Pi 2 just came out ....
[13:39] <Saphyel> solsTiCe: me too...
[13:39] <phire> hi disgruntled, I'm phire
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[13:39] <phire> I'll show myself out...
[13:40] <Saphyel> are you on fire phire ?
[13:40] <phire> maybe...
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[13:42] <shiftplusone> I bought a sandwich yesterday... no complaints.
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[13:43] <Saphyel> I bought a slave yesterday, still waiting for legal assitance
[13:43] <phire> I bought marshmallows on Saturday, huge complaints.
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[14:14] <bombuzal> RS Electronics unable to cope with the demand XD
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[14:17] <solsTiCe> the pi 2 seems to be really a computer; what I have tested so far is openelec,raspbmc, rasbian, archlinux-arm. only ried Xdesktop on raspbian and icewheasel was slow. very slow. but may a too big browser for the pi. I was suprised to see it as the default browser. there ar elighter alternative
[14:17] <solsTiCe> I mean I tested the pi b+
[14:18] <curlymo> what about xbian?
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[14:35] <mave_> hi guys, is there a limit to the size of microsd card that the pi can use?
[14:36] <shiftplusone> 11x15mm =P
[14:36] <mave_> uhh, that was not the kind of answer i was looking for
[14:36] <mave_> haha
[14:36] <ShorTie> i was thinkin pocket book
[14:37] <shiftplusone> mave_, nope, no limit, just make sure it's not getting formatted as exfat if you're planning to use NOOBS.
[14:37] <ShorTie> usb device might be better though
[14:37] <ali1234> it's sdxc compatible?
[14:37] <mave_> ah thanks
[14:38] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I wouldn't use SD cards as a storage medium =P
[14:38] <ShorTie> i think 'big' sdcards are formatted exfat, which doesn't work and needs to be changed to fat
[14:38] <shiftplusone> Yes, sd specs say cards over 32gb need to be exfat, which some formatting tools stick to.
[14:39] <shiftplusone> So you need to make sure that doesn't happen.
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[14:39] <mave_> so it's better to use a small sdcard and a usb device for storage?
[14:39] <shiftplusone> if you're just writing an image, it's fine though.
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[14:39] <RoyK> mave_: or a fileserver :P
[14:39] <ShorTie> yes, imho
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[14:40] <shiftplusone> mave_, sd cards aren't very reliable. Although flash drives use the same technology, they seem to be a little better.
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[14:41] <ShorTie> still need sdcard, but setting up a usb device is easy, just write an image to it and change config.txt on sdcard
[14:42] <mave_> besides that it's easier to upgrade storage that way, instead of starting all over again on a larger sdcard
[14:42] <mave_> thanks for the tip
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[14:44] <mave_> didn't know that ShorTie :)
[14:44] <mave_> it's a while ago since i sold my model b which i found a bit too slow
[14:45] <mave_> i have good hopes for the model 2 i ordered yesterday
[14:45] <chipmadness> mave_ every pi is slow
[14:45] <mave_> i know :D
[14:45] <chipmadness> check out Odroid for power
[14:45] <chipmadness> I think it runs on 10 watts and has a 1.7ghz quad core with 1gb ddr3
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[14:46] <chipmadness> same size as rasp pi
[14:46] <curlymo> but a shitty GPU chip :)
[14:46] <chipmadness> curlymo nope its actually advanced
[14:46] <chipmadness> Has a better gpu than pi 2
[14:46] <ali1234> if you want a good GPU buy an nvidia 980
[14:46] <mave_> i'm aiming to build something nice using this http://www.emulationstation.org/
[14:46] <chipmadness> Best thing is, its only $35
[14:46] <curlymo> did you actually found proper kernel / xserver / xbmc support for it ;)
[14:47] <chipmadness> curlymo its a ARM
[14:47] <chipmadness> of course it works
[14:47] <chipmadness> Ubuntu and Android runs flawlessly
[14:47] <curlymo> the SoC, not the GPU. GPU of ODROID is a Mali
[14:47] <chipmadness> i would assume xbmc does also
[14:47] <chipmadness> Mali is more recent
[14:47] <chipmadness> ali1234 I agree++++
[14:48] <curlymo> Mali is also what's used in all those Chinese USB Media sticks, that's why they all run Android
[14:48] <curlymo> the only kernel that properly supports them
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[14:49] <curlymo> don't simply look at the CPU Cores and Mhz, doesn't say much
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[14:51] <Jck_true> The support and userbase is what matters anyway...
[14:51] <Hix> am i correct in thinking that if i edit wpa-supplicant.conf in /etc/wpa-supplicant, by inserting the SD into another machine, then I can get wireless working on an A/A+ without needing an HDMI monitor and keyboard / mouse?
[14:51] <shiftplusone> Hix, yeah.
[14:51] <curlymo> No, the support from the manufacturer is what counts
[14:51] <Hix> cool.
[14:51] <curlymo> Raspberry Pi (and Hummingboards) is so popular because of proper dedicated kernel and firmware developers
[14:51] <Hix> Well it would be if RS had actually delivered my sodding order
[14:51] <Jck_true> I bought a CubieTruck... And I find that I use the Pi every time instead...
[14:52] <mpmc> Hix: You still waiting too?
[14:52] <day> why dont the raspberrys have onchip memory like the beaglebone? Or why did the beagleb. opt for onchip memory instead of using the os from the sd card?
[14:52] <Hix> yeah mpmc
[14:52] <Jck_true> day: Usability I would guess - You can't brick it
[14:52] <Hix> I got a dispatched note at 11:15 today >24hrs after placing my order....
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[14:53] <Jck_true> day: Easy to switch projects between serveal students sharing the same hardware
[14:53] <mpmc> Hix: Mine is out for delivery apparently via parcel force.
[14:53] <day> Jck_true: is it slower than the oboard memory?
[14:53] <Hix> mpmc ParcelFarce. Yes, I tried the tracking, they had no record....
[14:53] <Jck_true> day: In theory ... No - MMC memory chips using the same hardware interface as SD cards...
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[14:54] <curlymo> all price consideration
[14:54] <day> then i dont understand why they made the bbb artificially more expensive by providing the memory :?
[14:54] <mpmc> Hix: When was yours dispatched?
[14:54] <curlymo> a fast 8GB SD card is 1/6 the price of the Raspberry Pi 2
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[14:55] <curlymo> the only thing i would want is 32MB onboard memory we can use to boot files
[14:55] <maumushi> :( I ordered yesterday early in the morning .... 10 weeks ...
[14:55] <curlymo> so we can boot from USB / NFS / HDD without using the SD card
[14:55] <Jck_true> day: Suppose it's got todo with the target demographics too..
[14:56] <day> you think the beaglebones have a different one? :/
[14:56] <Jck_true> curlymo: You should buy a DS1307 .. Get an RTC clock... and you get 57 bytes of free storage !
[14:56] <Hix> mpmc it would seem only today, as opposed to yesterday when they were supposed to do so. �4.95 same day dispatch fee gone to great use there. RS rubbish service
[14:56] <chipmadness> I just want a more powerful ARM
[14:56] <Jck_true> day: Anyway - Depends on what target you have.. The Pi is meant for education
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[14:56] <Jck_true> day: If a student screws up their project you wanna just swap out the SD card and move on to the next
[14:57] <curlymo> wanting to advice the Humminboard i2eX but he left ;)
[14:57] <mpmc> Hix: Mine was dispatched yesterday at 19:15, I'd ordered at 11:38.
[14:57] <Jck_true> day: The Beaglebone seems more targeted at people who know what they want - And possibly wouldn't like end users to remove the card from a product :)
[14:58] <Hix> mpmc 11:04 order confirmation email so probably <11:00 actual order
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[14:58] <Jck_true> And - Marketing buzz to reache a price point :)
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[14:58] <mpmc> Hix: strange how mine is tracking and yours isn't!
[14:58] <Hix> and they have failed to dispatch a case that WAS in stock
[14:59] <curlymo> If you want a really awesome fast device, get the Radxa Rock Pro. If you want to most terrible platform get it as well :p
[14:59] <Hix> mpmc PBDA1872450001 doesn't even look like a legit tracking code
[14:59] <curlymo> they managed to get both
[15:00] <mpmc> Hix: It is, mine is similar.
[15:00] <theorist> pi #3 just arrived =)
[15:00] <Hix> hmm, well, it's probably down to parcelfarce and the "weather" then
[15:01] <Hix> RS theorist ?
[15:01] <theorist> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331413242862 don't use these boards with pi, sends 12v back out input into gpio pin =)
[15:01] <Jck_true> Least you guys can get it from the dealer... I have to go through a hobby reseller who hasn't got them in stock them since Farnell redirects...
[15:01] <theorist> result is burnt pi for dessert
[15:02] <Hix> Jck_true where you based?
[15:02] <mpmc> Hix: Where abouts are you located? :p
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[15:02] <Jck_true> Hix: Denmark - Farnell or RS doesn't not ship to regular customers
[15:02] <Hix> mpmc Herts, UK
[15:03] <Jck_true> I should have ordered 2 from the company account... For... "Research"
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[15:04] <sundhaug92> What version of NOOBS do I need for the RPi2?
[15:04] <Hix> Jck_true want me to order 2 and then forward them to you in DK?
[15:04] <leio> just go to raspberrypi.org download section
[15:05] <sundhaug92> leio: but isn't that the old 1.3.*?
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[15:05] <leio> I see a release date of 31st January or something
[15:05] <shiftplusone> sundhaug92, no, the new one was updated.
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[15:05] <leio> 2nd Feb
[15:06] <Jck_true> Hix: Won't be worth it with your shipping costs :)I'll just order one on the company account... Hope it goes in unnoticed :)
[15:06] <Hix> oki nps
[15:06] <sundhaug92> But I see RS-electronics talking about NOOBS 1.4?
[15:07] <sundhaug92> as part: 849-2012
[15:08] <shiftplusone> I can't speak for RS
[15:08] <Jck_true> Someone needs to make cheap simple expansion port... step down converter taking anything from 8-40V. Pin protection of a few GPIO and thats it :)
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[15:09] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: but is there a 1.4? and why isn't the NOOBS-source on github updated?
[15:10] <theorist> can I use the adafruit python code to read from dht22 inside my c++ programn?
[15:10] <shiftplusone> What's on the download page is what's there.
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[15:12] <shiftplusone> I guess Andrew hasn't pushed the updated to github yet. Getting NOOBS working in time for a pi 2 release was a very rushed thing, so I'd imagine he hasn't had much time to spare.
[15:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[15:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> 2015-02-02
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[15:12] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: but the github-version is two releases outdated
[15:13] <shiftplusone> fair enough
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[15:15] <sundhaug92> Does the current version of raspbian make use of the A7-features and performance or will it need a re-compilation?
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[15:17] <shiftplusone> I've run sysbench on debian and raspbian and debian comes out a little slower
[15:17] <shiftplusone> there will be a few packages which benefit from armv7 and I think it makes more sense to support them in raspbian rather than maintain two separate images.
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[15:27] <theorist> WTF?
[15:27] <theorist> pi2 came out today and my pi 1 just arrived?
[15:27] <solsTiCe> I propose we open a disgruntled customer club ;-)
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[15:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> tau came out yesterday not today
[15:28] <high-rez> It came out yesterday, and yours arrived today.
[15:28] <chipmadness> Does anyone know a good hacking IRC channel
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[15:28] <chipmadness> #hacking and #hack is not good
[15:29] <shiftplusone> hacking in the traditional sense? or hacking in the script-kiddie for-teh-lolz way?
[15:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> chipmadness go to #nethack anbd begone
[15:29] <theugster> LOL
[15:29] <theugster> ...I never say LOL, but that was worth it.
[15:30] <chipmadness> begone is not a channel
[15:30] <pepijndevos> Can the Raspi run as an SPI slave?
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[15:34] <pepijndevos> I can't find anything about it. It's all master.
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[15:39] <Hix> really inane question. What � ar ethe 4 mounting holes on the Pi as I only currently have the older gen with no moounts
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[15:39] <shiftplusone> huh?
[15:40] <shiftplusone> What do you mean by what are the mounting holes... they're the mounting holes. O_o
[15:40] <pepijndevos> 3mm?
[15:40] <Hix> there are 4 holes in the PCB for mounting the board to enclosures etc, want to order some standoffs to mount my project, but not sure what diameter they are
[15:40] <shiftplusone> oh, derp
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[15:40] <shiftplusone> didn't recognise the Ø
[15:40] <Hix> sorry, I'm a mech eng not elec eng :)
[15:41] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/mechanical/Raspberry-Pi-B-Plus-V1.2-Mechanical-Drawing.pdf
[15:41] <Hix> ahh, cool, was searching but didn't churn that up
[15:41] <shiftplusone> don't know if it will load right now, but it has 'mechanical' in the name... so...
[15:42] <Hix> yup that loadds, and makes perfect sense to my mech mind :) unllike code
[15:42] <Hix> hmmm M2.5 great, not really a normal standard, but hey ho
[15:42] <shiftplusone> sundhaug92, got an email back from the NOOBS guy. Says github should be updated by the end of the week.
[15:42] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: with what version?
[15:43] <theorist> is it worth trying to return my pi b+ for pi2?
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[15:43] <shiftplusone> NOOBS v1.3.12, but a slightly different kernel.
[15:43] <sundhaug92> theorist: depends on what you're doing
[15:43] <shiftplusone> theorist, it's sketchy.
[15:44] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: but v1.3.12 from the website will give me a working Pi2?
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[15:44] <shiftplusone> sundhaug92, pretty sure that has been answered several times now.
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[15:45] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: sorry, a bit tired and enthused
[15:45] <shiftplusone> Just to make sure though... yes.
[15:46] <pepijndevos> Looking at http://www.airspayce.com/mikem/bcm2835/group__spi.html it seems SPI is master-only?
[15:46] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: Besides, if I screw up, your confirmations means I only have to debug me screwing up and not you screwing up
[15:46] <shiftplusone> pepijndevos, well, the documentation says 'spi masters' and doesn't mention any sort of slave mode, so....
[15:46] <pepijndevos> :(
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[15:47] <theorist> shiftplusone: sketchy?
[15:47] <shiftplusone> theorist, dodgy... disingenuous
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[15:48] <Joost`> I've attached a serial usb device to my pi, but /dev/ttyUSB0 is not showing up..
[15:48] <Joost`> the device is mentioned in dmesg without errors, though
[15:49] <Joost`> any suggestion what I could test to debug?
[15:49] <shiftplusone> I'm guessing the module for the device isn't there
[15:50] <sundhaug92> lsusb?
[15:50] <Joost`> lsusb shows it just fine
[15:50] <shiftplusone> don't be silly
[15:50] <Joost`> Bus 001 Device 010: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
[15:50] <shiftplusone> lsusb doesn't mean it's working
[15:50] <shiftplusone> it just means the device enumerated... which they all will
[15:50] <Joost`> is rpi-updater worth a shot?
[15:51] <shiftplusone> no
[15:51] <shiftplusone> can you pastebin the output of zcat /proc/config.gz
[15:51] <shiftplusone> or whatever the filename is... I'm not sure I got it right
[15:52] <shiftplusone> ah yes /proc/config.gz is right
[15:52] <Joost`> http://pastebin.com/vsCwLC5G
[15:52] <Joost`> yeah, that was right indeed
[15:53] <shiftplusone> okay, so the module should be included
[15:53] <shiftplusone> not sure what it's called though... let me check my filesystem for it
[15:54] <shiftplusone> derp... it's just pl2303
[15:54] <shiftplusone> so try modprobe pl2303.... although I'm pretty sure that should've been loaded when the device was plugged in
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[15:54] <Joost`> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:557 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.12.28+/modules.dep.bin'
[15:55] <shiftplusone> aha... so you've borked your modules somehow.
[15:55] <Joost`> that sounds bad :P
[15:55] <sundhaug92> did you run modprobe as root?
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[15:55] <Joost`> yeah
[15:55] <shiftplusone> the bad, lazy way to 'fix' it is to run rpi-update... but it's not the advised way to do things.
[15:56] <sundhaug92> have you tried rebooting while begging?
[15:56] <Joost`> I'm not entirely sure what it does.. what are the effects?
[15:56] <Joost`> Hmm, I guess I could try rebooting - it would take down this znc connection too, so I'd be back in a bit in that case :P
[15:56] <shiftplusone> read the source code, I guess. It will download the kernel, firmware, modules and some other things and install it.
[15:57] <Joost`> what's bad about that in your opinion?
[15:57] <shiftplusone> it overwrites files managed by apt
[15:57] <shiftplusone> it's kind of like extracting random binary packages all over your filesystem rather than running apt-get install whatever.
[15:58] <Joost`> ah :/
[15:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> bring back the website please !
[15:58] <shiftplusone> Stop pressing F5 and it will come back up!
[15:59] <Jck_true> The faster you press F5 the quicker it comes back up! (And btw... Couldn't they run it through cloudflare for an event like this?)
[15:59] <clever> but then how will i know when its back up?!
[15:59] <Joost`> I guess I could try rebooting in any case.. brb
[16:00] <clever> Jck_true: cloudflare doesnt cache, its purely to stop the invalid traffic
[16:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> I've got an arduino doing the ctrl-f5's for me ;-p
[16:00] <shiftplusone> Jck_true, it's running through load balancers already.
[16:00] <clever> raw bandwidth attacks with invalid queries
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[16:00] <Jck_true> My bad - Thought Cloudflare did caching
[16:01] <clever> they mainly just filter out the nasty stuff and hide your real ip
[16:02] <shiftplusone> I hear the server will be getting beefed up, but it didn't happen in time for the launch.
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[16:04] <SgrA> Hi
[16:04] <shiftplusone> hi
[16:05] <SgrA> I run Arch on my Pi. I had a power failure, and the filesystem is now readonly. I tried fscking it on another system, that didn't help.
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[16:09] <ShorTie> sortta sounds corrupted since a power failure happened and fsck doesn't do anything
[16:10] <shiftplusone> in any case, that's not enough information
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[16:10] <shiftplusone> paste some output, describe what happens, does it mount rw on the pc?
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[16:12] <Joost`> it's working :)
[16:13] <SgrA> Yes, it does mount rw on my PC.
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[16:13] <Joost`> come to think of it, I don't think I had rebooted ever since I upgraded to jessie
[16:13] <shiftplusone> ah... so a bit of a pebcak error
[16:13] <Joost`> yeah
[16:13] <Joost`> I guess most errors are
[16:13] <shiftplusone> 5 points to sundhaug92
[16:13] <Joost`> at least, errors I run into
[16:13] <SgrA> On the Pi, however, trying to do anything that involves the file system fails with read only file system.
[16:13] <Joost`> to you both, I guess - thanks for the help!
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[16:15] <shiftplusone> SgrA, so some output would be handy. I believe arch starts with the filesystem mounted ro and then re-mounts it... I'd be cuprous to see any errors it spits out when it does that.
[16:15] <SgrA> dmesg?
[16:15] <clever> you can also try just setting it to rw on the fly and see if it outputs an error
[16:15] <clever> mount / -o remount,rw
[16:15] <shiftplusone> dmesg could contain some hints... or it could not.
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[16:16] <shiftplusone> but yes, what clever said.
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[16:17] <SgrA> Okay, remounting worked.
[16:18] <clever> could be that whatever script that does that on bootup is failing to do it for some unknown reason
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[16:19] <pvl1> is it safe to compile wiringPi stuff on a 64 bit os, and then copy over to my pi?
[16:20] <pvl1> or whatever... basically i just wanna compile on my system so i dont stress my pi
[16:20] <ali1234> its not worth it
[16:20] <pvl1> hy
[16:20] <pvl1> why
[16:20] <ali1234> wiringPi is tiny
[16:21] <pvl1> FINE
[16:21] <pvl1> but that works for me
[16:21] <pvl1> wish i rememberd a switch
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[16:29] <sundhaug92> lol, thanks shiftplusone
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[16:29] <pythonirc101> how is the pi2 behaving with debian? Any device driver issues? anyone tried a cdc acm device on it yet?
[16:30] <sundhaug92> I'm guessing the noobs-servers are down?
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[16:30] <pvl1> torrents bro
[16:30] <theugster> Yarr, and I'm downloading the ZIP now
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[16:30] <pvl1> dont put stress on the servers
[16:31] <theugster> Are the servers Pi's?
[16:31] <sundhaug92> Sure, but doesn't the lite-version require servers? or do both??
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[16:32] <sundhaug92> theugster: no, but there's servers for some of the services, like NOOBS and raspbian updates
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[16:34] <skwishy> where is the best place to order the rpi2 for US delivery?
[16:34] <pvl1> your home?
[16:34] <[SLB]> something happened to the forum? whatever page i try to open, it redirects me to the raspi2 promotion post :|
[16:34] <skwishy> from which website?
[16:35] <sundhaug92> skwishy: I used RS
[16:35] <skwishy> sundhaug92: cool, I'll try them. thanks!
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[16:36] <skwishy> sundhaug92: it seems rs is all uk?
[16:36] <skwishy> I mean, it seems they only ship to uk addresses
[16:36] <sundhaug92> skwishy: No, I ordered from their norwegian site
[16:37] <skwishy> sundhaug92: are you shipping to a US address?
[16:37] <sundhaug92> Norwegian
[16:37] <skwishy> oh, I see now, they have different regions
[16:37] <sundhaug92> Go to http://www.rs-components.com/index.html and choose country
[16:37] <skwishy> yeah, that seems to work, thanks!
[16:40] <skwishy> hmm, their website is so flaky, doesn't seem to allow me to "continue to payment"
[16:41] <sundhaug92> skwishy: what's the problem?
[16:41] <skwishy> ah, I see now, they require a "town" and "city" address
[16:41] <skwishy> and a propper "title" and "company name"
[16:42] <skwishy> silly
[16:42] <skwishy> haha, seems they also don't take credit cards online
[16:43] <skwishy> this is a strange website ordering system
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[16:44] <theugster> I ordered from Element14 in about five minutes, would've been less if they hadn't disabled my account
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[16:44] <skwishy> theugster: did you ship to the US?
[16:44] <theugster> Yep
[16:44] <sundhaug92> skwishy: Company name can be your name
[16:45] <theugster> I ordered my last batch of Pi's from Element14 as well, no drama
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[16:47] <skwishy> damn, element14 says "Out of Stock"
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[16:48] <mpmc> Hix: You received yours yet?
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[16:49] <Tachyon`> will the raspberry pi 2 B+ fit in a standard B+ case?
[16:50] <Tachyon`> it looks like it will but never quite sure
[16:50] <shiftplusone> Tachyon`, there's a chance that it might not.
[16:50] <Tachyon`> hrm
[16:50] <shiftplusone> depends on the case
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[16:52] <Tachyon`> what are the differences
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[16:52] <SladeW> hi! :)
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[16:53] <pvl1> herro
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[16:54] <SladeW> gordonDrogon: hello I want to use WiringPi in a project that involves GPIO, would that work with the new RPi (2) ? Thanks
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[16:54] <pvl1> pretty sure it does
[16:54] <pvl1> im doing the same thing
[16:55] <pvl1> just havent gotten to actually usingit. but i installed the libs and ran wiringpi readall
[16:55] <pvl1> came out correct
[16:56] <shiftplusone> SladeW, yes.
[16:56] <shiftplusone> Tachyon`, afaik, minor component chances here and there
[16:57] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261580428193
[16:57] <Tachyon`> something like that is what I have in mind
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[16:57] * Bilby wonders how many people in here have already bought a Pi2
[16:57] <SladeW> Thanks! :)
[16:58] <Bilby> they should call it a Raspberry 6.28
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[17:01] <boston> Hey all, I'm excited about the anouncement today, but I had a question. Will the wolfson audio card work on the raspberrypi 2 model B ? ..or maybe Wolfson might have a new card in the works? Also; does anyone have any first hand experience w/ the Wolfson audio card? -thanks.
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[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> Bilby - they should of called it the Tau
[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> boston the wolfson orignal will mnot work wiht the B+ or p2
[17:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> they have said there is another in the works
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[17:04] <boston> RaTTuS|BIG: !? woah. good thing I asked, I had no idea. And they have said they're working on a ver 2.0? wicked! You wouldn't know off hand where or when they said that would you?
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[17:06] <pksato> fot b+ (may be to rpi2) https://www.modmypi.com/cirrus-logic-audio-card
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[17:13] <Bilby> RaTTuS|BIG hah
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[17:13] <Bilby> boston Raspberry Pi 2 has been released :)
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[17:14] <willmore> Does anyone have experience or know of any web sites that talk about how to configure raspbian to talk to different I2S A/D and D/A chips? I have some nice chips lying around and I'm tempted to put them on a board and try to hook them up.
[17:14] <Bilby> http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/
[17:14] <willmore> But I don't know how to configure the device settings on the rpi I'd hook it to.
[17:14] <Bilby> willmore I'm pretty sure niston would be the person to talk to
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[17:15] <willmore> Thanks, Bilby. I'll wait for niston to have some free time.
[17:15] * willmore has to find that box full of chips that's somewhere in the deep, dark basement.
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[17:20] <Bilby> I wish i had a deep dark basement. I have a somewhat full closet and random boxes hidden places
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[17:24] <SladeW> Has gordonDrogon written a book for newbies regarding WiringPi ?
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[17:24] <SladeW> or someone else ?
[17:26] <shiftplusone> SladeW, Are you comfortable with C?
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[17:30] <SladeW> yes, I am ok with it, shiftplusone
[17:30] <shiftplusone> then you don't need a book for wiringpi, it's all well documented.
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[17:31] <v0lt_> Hello,
[17:31] <shiftplusone> hey
[17:31] <v0lt_> is there a way that i can connect the raspberry pi to my imac display?
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[17:32] <irc_smirk> i vant my pi 2
[17:32] <boston> Anyone here tried out the Cirrus Audio Card for the B+?
[17:32] <mpmc> Is it just me or is the Pi2 heavier?
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[17:33] <_nim> Hi, I have a DHT22 temperature sensor related question, is this the right place to ask?
[17:33] <shiftplusone> mpmc, all those extra transistors.
[17:34] <mpmc> shiftplusone: So I'm not getting weaker lol.
[17:34] <mpmc> Looks like rpi.org is crawling..
[17:34] <shiftplusone> well, you might be, but that's unrelated to the pi's weight.
[17:35] <mpmc> True :p
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[17:38] <sundhaug92> Just me who had a problem with DHCP not working to start off?
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[17:40] <funkster> same GPU on the new raspbeerypi 2 huh... dammit. my whole issue is not having hardware acceleration for opengl stuff, like browser css.
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[17:40] <funkster> maybe the windows 10 support will bring in better drivers for gpu hardware acceleration
[17:40] <shiftplusone> funkster, not going to be relevant soon http://anholt.livejournal.com/
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[17:41] <shiftplusone> and there is no windows 10 on the pi, it's windows 10 for IoT.
[17:41] <shiftplusone> which doesn't seem to have a GUI
[17:41] <Hasselsaurus> I'm sure there will be a Windows GUI
[17:41] <Hasselsaurus> MS would love to have Windows on these things
[17:41] <shiftplusone> Based on what?
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[17:42] <Hasselsaurus> It's entirely within their interests to do so
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[17:42] <sundhaug92> Hasselsaurus: Why? It's IoT not desktop
[17:42] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's not a source.
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[17:42] <Hasselsaurus> Getting windows development in the hands of more young coders is what they want
[17:42] <shiftplusone> if everybody did things that made sense, we woul live in a different world.
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[17:43] <sundhaug92> Hasselsaurus: Which they do by having VS run on Windows desktop
[17:43] <funkster> shiftplusone: nice, looks like theres significant work being done on the gpu. hopefully i can run my software on a rasp2 soon!! its all css3 based, and currently stutters =(
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[17:43] <taza> Hey shiftplusone, we still dealing with binary blobs on black boxes?
[17:43] <Hasselsaurus> They want WinRT apps running on these things for embedded solutions. Mark my words.
[17:43] <shiftplusone> taza, yes sir.
[17:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> v0lt_ - only if it has a HDMI input
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[17:44] <sundhaug92> funkster: a faster CPU helps out in that respect
[17:44] <taza> Also, if they want Windows developers, it'll have a GUI. And that GUI will look a lot like Metro.
[17:44] <Hasselsaurus> @taza my point exactly.
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[17:44] <sundhaug92> taza: They don't need a UI on the rpi
[17:44] <funkster> sundhaug92: it does, but i've tried odroid quad core devices and still stutters.
[17:44] <Hasselsaurus> If you want dev happening there, you absolutely do
[17:44] <taza> No, but Microsoft wants one.
[17:45] <sundhaug92> taza: source?
[17:45] <Hasselsaurus> Let's see your source for your claim that it will be devoid of a GUI
[17:45] <taza> ... it's one of those "blindingly obvious" things.
[17:45] <Hasselsaurus> for real
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[17:46] <taza> Microsoft wouldn't do this if they weren't looking to benefit from it, and Microsoft sees people getting used to their ecosystem as a benefit.
[17:46] <sundhaug92> Hasselsaurus: Windows (8.1) for IoT is out and it doesn't have a UI
[17:46] <ShadowJK> Eh, Windows can run on totally unaccelerated framebuffer too, and yes, it's extremely slow :-)
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[17:46] <taza> So we'll see Windows 8.1 without Desktop Mode, extremely simplifying it
[17:46] <doomlord_1> my rpi2 turned up :)
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[17:46] <shiftplusone> Hasselsaurus, okay, take a look at windows 10 iot of the galileo
[17:46] <sundhaug92> taza: Windows even without UI has a few benefits
[17:47] <Hasselsaurus> You seriously think they'd miss out on the opportunity to have people write Metro/WinRT apps for this thing?
[17:47] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: I think IoT for galileo is 8.1 for now
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[17:47] <shiftplusone> well, whatever they're running on the thing
[17:47] <taza> (Or another place to shove their app store.)
[17:47] <Bilby> I was really hoping this was a low-level windows version
[17:47] <sundhaug92> Hasselsaurus: They've said .NET is planned, no word of WinRT
[17:47] <Bilby> because windows RT needs to die in a hole
[17:48] <sundhaug92> Bilby: Windows for IoT is a very cut-down version of Windows
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[17:48] <taza> Looking at Windows 10 announcement, IoT looks a looot like Athena
[17:49] <shiftplusone> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yrRMomesBKM#t=1844
[17:49] <taza> Or whatever it was - their ARM-based one, with the Store.
[17:49] <Bilby> sundhaug92 i'd probably be cool with that, if they're trying to make IoT interact with other windows systems in a more friendly way
[17:49] <sundhaug92> BTW. does the A7 in the RPi have virtualization?
[17:50] <ShadowJK> Each windows version makes interacting with other windows systems harder
[17:50] <sundhaug92> Bilby: Yup, Windows for IoT is meant to help you connect to Azure and such
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[17:50] <funkster> so in a nutshell, i havea a device that only has windows drivers. will i be able to possibly install drivers on windows IoT /rp2 and have it working in future?
[17:50] <taza> funkster: No.
[17:50] <sundhaug92> ShadowJK: versions or SKUs?
[17:50] <shiftplusone> sundhaug92, yes, I believe so (Re virtualization)
[17:50] <doomlord_1> whats the best linux to put on an rpi
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[17:50] <doomlord_1> 'raspbian' ?
[17:50] <shiftplusone> doomlord_1, all the linuxes...
[17:51] <Dragonkeeper> anyone used other OS's on pi other than the ones on the PI website?
[17:51] <shiftplusone> (but yes, raspbian)
[17:51] <funkster> taza: damn..
[17:51] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: will that be supported
[17:51] <taza> sundhaug92: You need the source, since everything we know about Microsoft sez they're going to try to push their ecosystem, because that's what they do
[17:51] <sundhaug92> doomlord_1: raspbian
[17:51] <shiftplusone> Dragonkeeper, and yes to you too.... everyone gets a yes.
[17:51] <ShadowJK> sundhaug92, both
[17:51] <taza> funkster: Windows X86 and Windows ARM drivers be different.
[17:51] <Dragonkeeper> xD
[17:51] <shiftplusone> sundhaug92, no idea. supported in what way?
[17:51] <funkster> taza: gotcha, makes sense.
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[17:51] <ShadowJK> funkster, regular windows drivers wont work on Windows for Arm anyway
[17:52] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: by software
[17:52] <ShadowJK> And linux drivers that work on raspberry pi wont work on windows on raspberry pi, either
[17:52] <Dragonkeeper> if i was to use another OS , would this cause problems talking to the board gpio ? im new to pi and not so comfortable with debian
[17:53] <ShadowJK> Well yes, every OS has different interface to talk to things, or do things..
[17:53] <shiftplusone> Dragonkeeper, what are you comfortable with?
[17:53] <Dragonkeeper> i usually fall back to gentoo but obviously compile times on a pi might not be as fast as im used to xD
[17:53] <sundhaug92> taza: and?
[17:54] <ali1234> Dragonkeeper: kernel is kernel :S
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[17:54] <shiftplusone> Dragonkeeper, if you like gentoo, use archlinux arm
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[17:54] <Hasselsaurus> @sundhaug92 there is absolutely no reason to believe that they will not ship a version with GUI for Pi 2. It also gets more Windows in schools which is also what they want
[17:54] <Hasselsaurus> It costs them nothing, it stands to gain them a ton
[17:55] <taza> Mind you, we aren't calling it impossible, just sayin' it's the most likely option
[17:55] <sundhaug92> btw. what's the new OC-setting for?
[17:55] <sundhaug92> Hasselsaurus: it costs them developement money
[17:56] <Hasselsaurus> insignificant compared to what they stand to gain. The UI is already written. It's just porting.
[17:56] <ali1234> the UI is already ported to ARM
[17:56] <ShadowJK> I hope foundation isn't spending money on making a GPU driver for windows :D
[17:56] <sundhaug92> Porting isn't easy
[17:56] <Dragonkeeper> ive debayed arch , i might give that ago then ,but im still curious about if there would be any differences in talking to the gpio and if theres a list of pi specific things id need to install
[17:56] <ali1234> you think they rewrite it every two years or whatever?
[17:56] <Hasselsaurus> @sundhaug92 it's already running on ARM
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[17:57] <ali1234> "Windows IoT" will most likely be something similar to Windows RT
[17:57] <shiftplusone> Dragonkeeper, the underlying stuff is all the same. Linux is linux
[17:57] <ali1234> just rebranded because RT is now toxic
[17:57] <taza> Windows 10 ARM, which is already a confirmed thing
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[17:57] <v0lt_> RaTTuS|BIG
[17:58] <sundhaug92> ali1234: Windows for IoT is currently very different than RT
[17:58] <v0lt_> Thanks, nope :(
[17:58] <taza> It has a GUI, but it's closer to Metro than W8 Desktop, and it only supports universal apps.
[17:58] <Dragonkeeper> alright , ill look into using arch
[17:58] <ali1234> so in other words its exactly like RT?
[17:58] <ShadowJK> Just because it runs on ARM doesn't mean it can talk to any of the peripherals on the rPi, since those are all specific to the rpi, more or less... Then it depends how much effort they put into writing drivers for it
[17:58] <sundhaug92> taza: Pics? Afaik it's UI-less
[17:58] <doomlord_1> has anyone here used risc os on it ?
[17:59] <taza> sundhaug92: You can just look up their W10 announcements.
[17:59] <taza> They revealed an edition that runs on ARM and is meant for smaller, low-power devices.
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[17:59] <theugster> My beef with WinRT was the fact that it was locked down and had to be jailbroken to run properly compiled ARM apps like VLC or PuTTY. If that restriction is gone, I'd be a happy camper
[17:59] <Hasselsaurus> sundhaug92 taza: http://betanews.com/2014/10/03/windows-10-technical-preview-for-arm-tablets-smartphones-will-only-come-next-year/
[17:59] <Hasselsaurus> It's coming. It's written. Win10 runs on ARM.
[17:59] <Hasselsaurus> It'd be moronic not to let it run on Pi 2.
[17:59] <taza> Now they haven't confirmed that is what Windows 10 IoT is, but it's looking mighty likely
[18:00] <ali1234> http://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/02/02/e424db0a-c4d3-4644-a368-14b7765e541f/resize/770x578/33329788499901235c6aca88de5b8b4d/athensiot.jpg
[18:00] <ShadowJK> Hasselsaurus, it's not as easy as "let it"
[18:00] <ali1234> this image says it all
[18:00] <Dragonkeeper> linux ppl actually talking about running windows... this is new
[18:00] <ali1234> "windows 10 for IoT" is an ecosystem not a specific build of windows
[18:01] <taza> (So yes, a rebrand of Windows RT)
[18:01] <ali1234> right, which was basically a rebrand of windows CE anyway
[18:01] <sundhaug92> Hasselsaurus Taza: That image doesn't show a UI on IoT. Windows =/= Windows with UI
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[18:01] <ali1234> sundhaug92: mine done
[18:01] <ali1234> does*
[18:01] <sundhaug92> theugster: Windows for IoT doesn't have that limit
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[18:02] <doomlord_1> i can't beleive i accidently clicked 2. i hope that didn't happen with the pc i orderred on the same day
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[18:03] <sundhaug92> ali1234: Athens might be Windows for IoT but it doesn't need to have a built in OS, each program'll have to make their own
[18:03] <theorist> whats the word? is the rpi2 worth returning my pi b+ that just arrived yesterday?
[18:03] <ali1234> sundhaug92: everything on that slide is windows for IoT
[18:04] <funkster> Any pi2's in stock with US vendors? emiling around, no response.
[18:04] <theorist> I'm using it for an embedded project and pi2 is way more power than I need....but it's the same price and I haven't opened this pi
[18:04] * Dragonkeeper has a pi2 :)
[18:04] <theorist> so even though it would set me back waiting... it almost seems worth it if they would take this pi 1 back
[18:04] <sundhaug92> ali1234: Not in the current sense of the name
[18:04] <funkster> nice, looking to order mine today if possible.
[18:04] * mpmc 's has arrived !
[18:04] <doomlord_1> should they have called it the Raspberri Tau
[18:04] <ali1234> sundhaug92: you mean the current sense that you've invented?
[18:04] * sundhaug92 thinks the pi2 feels faster
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[18:04] <taza> theorist: How much is your time worth?
[18:05] <theorist> how long has this been announced? was there a preorder? how do you all have pi2s
[18:05] <sundhaug92> ali1234: no, the sense of the current name
[18:05] <taza> theorist: We currently know a LOT more about the Pi's practical capabilities than the Pi2's.
[18:05] <sundhaug92> theorist: purchased it soon after release
[18:05] <taza> Where the Pi2 is compatible with everything the Pi2 does, it still needs a LOT of testing.
[18:05] <theorist> since its embedded in my product maybe I should stick with pi for now instead of the unknown pi2
[18:05] <Dragonkeeper> dunno . yesterday i said to myself .. hmm i want a pi ... went online ordered it it came this morning lol
[18:06] <sundhaug92> ali1234: Windows for IoT is a name used by Microsoft to represent a current SKU
[18:06] <funkster> theorist: what type of product you have running the pi?
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[18:06] <djazz> will pick up my rpi2 in an hour ^^
[18:07] <Dragonkeeper> mmmmmm pi
[18:07] <djazz> if i ordered yesterday morning i would probably already have it
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[18:08] <sundhaug92> djazz: I ordered it less than two hours after release, it's now installed
[18:08] <Draylor> slightly better than v1 then
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[18:09] <djazz> sundhaug92: :D
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[18:09] <Dragonkeeper> i wonder if we will get a pi released with more ram ... like 4gb
[18:10] <theugster> Man, where do you guys live where you got a Pi2 already?
[18:10] <taza> Probably the UK
[18:10] <Dragonkeeper> im in uk
[18:10] <doomlord_1> uk here
[18:10] <sundhaug92> ali1234: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVmSNAD9ivc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lYuUJ1mO4
[18:10] <theugster> :(
[18:10] <Hasselsaurus> are they still making them there?
[18:10] <taza> It MIGHT arrive overnight in the UK
[18:10] <taza> Warehousing
[18:10] <doomlord_1> it did for me
[18:10] <sundhaug92> theugster: Norway, recieved from RS in the UK
[18:10] <theugster> My order on Element14 just says "Recieved" Hoorah! :p
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[18:11] <funkster> 1GB is great, cause i go read-only and write only to memory for stability.
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[18:12] <Dragonkeeper> more ram would be nice im going to assume id fill it up quickly
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[18:13] <Gadgetoid__> shiftplusone, .... https://twitter.com/Gadgetoid/status/562659801830658048/photo/1
[18:13] <Gadgetoid__> 6x != 0.20x
[18:13] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:13] <sundhaug92> funkster: COW? yeah the mem'll be a killing for that
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[18:14] <sundhaug92> Gadgetoid__: the stats vary on the workload
[18:14] <funkster> sundhaug92: whats COW?
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[18:14] <sundhaug92> funkster: Copy On Write
[18:14] <Gadgetoid__> sundhaug92, that C app sleeps for 1 second.
[18:15] <shiftplusone> no it sleeps for a minimum of 1 second
[18:15] <Gadgetoid__> Nothing more, nothing less, 1 second. It should, at worst, run for 1.09 seconds
[18:15] <shiftplusone> wait... not even 1 second
[18:15] <Dragonkeeper> can pi boot from usb ?
[18:15] <sundhaug92> Gadgetoid__: probably a bug in the kernel or something
[18:15] <taza> Dragonkeeper: No
[18:15] <Dragonkeeper> :(
[18:15] <shiftplusone> usleep, not msleep?
[18:15] <taza> Dragonkeeper: Did you mean to ask RPi2?
[18:15] * Dragonkeeper nods
[18:15] <funkster> sundhaug92: i use unionfs-fuse
[18:16] <Gadgetoid__> shiftplusone, it's sleeping 1000 x 1000 nanoseconds
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[18:16] <shiftplusone> sorry, wasn't paying attention.
[18:16] <taza> ... shiftplusone would
[18:16] <shiftplusone> yes
[18:16] <taza> ... shiftplusone would know. Does the RPi2 boot off non-SDcard?
[18:16] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid__, but no, the sleep functions in linux are a minimum amount of time, not an exact amount of time.
[18:16] <sundhaug92> funkster: yeah, that's probably using COW
[18:16] <shiftplusone> taza, nope, none of that has changed.
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[18:16] <taza> Dragonkeeper: There you go. Sorry, still no.
[18:17] <Gadgetoid__> shiftplusone, yeah, but this is clearly a bug since it runs for, at worse, 1.09sec on an older Pi
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[18:17] <theorist> whats the best place to buy rpi2 in the us right now?
[18:17] <taza> None.
[18:17] <taza> Out of stock so hard.
[18:17] <Dragonkeeper> hmm,, what if i was to load something to look for usb and boot from that ?
[18:17] <sundhaug92> Dragonkeeper: load from what?
[18:17] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid__, yes, and it's something we can take a look at now.
[18:17] <taza> Dragonkeeper: You can load a loader from SD and then make it boot from USB, yes
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[18:18] <Dragonkeeper> cool :)
[18:18] <uriah> shiftplusone: someone suggested i should ask you my question, which i asked last night around 1am EST... if i copy my entire os to a tmpfs and unmount everything on the sd card, would it be safe to remove the sd card while the pi is running?
[18:18] <Gadgetoid__> shiftplusone, Yeah I was just trying to make as concise a way to repeat it as possible
[18:18] <uriah> shiftplusone: people seem to think so, but i just want to make sure ;)
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[18:19] <shiftplusone> uriah, yes, assuming the card is electrically hot-pluggable (doesn't result in current surges which cause issues, for example)
[18:19] <Gadgetoid__> shiftplusone, it was introduced somewhere between the test image that reported BCM2708 and the one that reports BCM2709
[18:20] <uriah> shiftplusone: hmm... how would i find out if it's electrically hot-pluggable?
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[18:20] <shiftplusone> try and see
[18:20] <uriah> :)
[18:20] <Dragonkeeper> lol
[18:20] <uriah> i guess i'l back it up first then!
[18:20] <uriah> i'll*
[18:21] <ShadowJK> Gadgetoid__, you need to assign yourself realtime priority for that, and even then it will only run as well as the timer and cpu wakeup latency will allow
[18:21] <Hexxeh> highest I could get a Pi2 is 1.2GHz ARM, 550MHz SDRAM, 520MHz core, result is 3000ms sunspider
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[18:21] <ShadowJK> realtime, because then you're more or less guaranteed to be the first thing to run even if you relinquish the CPU with sleep
[18:21] <uriah> shiftplusone: well, do you know whether the sd card reader is similar to conventional sd card readers like the ones in laptops, which allow hotplugging?
[18:21] <Gadgetoid__> ShadowJK, I don't care if it runs for 1.09sec, bt if it runs for 20 then something is very very wrong, my Pi isn't doing anything else
[18:21] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid__, where did the 1.09 sec figure come from?
[18:22] <Gadgetoid__> shiftplusone, A model B+
[18:22] <shiftplusone> ah okay
[18:22] <Dragonkeeper> cya guys ... kernel update and pi time :)
[18:22] <Gadgetoid__> shiftplusone, Same code, not doing anything else
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[18:23] <Gadgetoid__> Takes between 1.1 and 1.09sec
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[18:23] <Gadgetoid__> Pi 2, on a non-borked image takes about 1.07
[18:24] <Gadgetoid__> Pi 2 on the release image... 20sec
[18:24] <niston> SD card socket is hotpluggable afaik
[18:24] <uriah> nice
[18:24] <niston> ie the GND tab is further to the edge than the other tabs
[18:24] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid__, PM
[18:24] <uriah> ah ok, so it just disconnects the GND first and then everything's fine?
[18:24] <theugster> Hexxeh: What's the comparison to the 1st Gen Pi? One article I'm reading says 21958ms, if so then that's pretty impressive
[18:24] <niston> no
[18:24] <niston> GND disconnects last
[18:25] <uriah> oh
[18:25] <niston> and connects first
[18:25] <uriah> i see
[18:25] <uriah> yeah
[18:25] <uriah> cool
[18:25] <Hexxeh> theugster: I don't have a first gen handy sorry
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[18:25] <uriah> niston: thanks for the info
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[18:25] <theugster> Hexxeh: No worries, quite useful though!
[18:25] <niston> yw
[18:25] <ShadowJK> Gadgetoid__, I hope this doesn't mean it's running android kernel, because android does that kind of stuff
[18:25] <Hexxeh> theugster: I'm pretty sure there's considerable scope for improvement though, there's some Android tablets with very similar CPUs that achieve around 1500ms
[18:26] <theugster> Was that test done with Raspbian?
[18:26] <Hexxeh> yeah
[18:27] <sundhaug92> Hexxeh: Might be the browser, doesn't the RPi2-browser act as if it's a RPi1-browser?
[18:27] <Hexxeh> something compiled with armv7a/neon settings (and a better JS engine) ought to do better
[18:27] <Hexxeh> yes
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[18:27] <sundhaug92> in the sense that it's just using the ARMv6 and not the ARMv7-features?
[18:27] <Gadgetoid__> ShadowJK, not as far as I know!
[18:28] <sundhaug92> Gadgetoid__: same problem here
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[18:28] <Gadgetoid__> sundhaug92, aha!
[18:29] <sundhaug92> Gadgetoid__: So either we screwed up both or rpi.org did
[18:29] <ShadowJK> is there a /proc/wakelocks ?
[18:31] <mpmc> :/ my Pi has crashed! I ctrl+ALT+F4'd while running Minecraft Pi, restarted lxde the minecraft window was still there, rebooted, got a kernel oops (twice) and now have screen corruption lol :/
[18:31] <Gadgetoid__> sundhaug92, we've tested it on a few different Pi's here already, originally discovered in Python with... amusing results
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[18:31] <ShadowJK> 2.262 on my phone with android kernel..
[18:31] <sundhaug92> Gadgetoid__: define amusing
[18:31] <uriah> are there power consumption benchmarks for the rpi2?
[18:32] <ShadowJK> Gadgetoid__, is it always 20s?
[18:32] <Gadgetoid__> sundhaug92, well, more getting a sloooww motion dot3k radio and then spending an hour or two trying to hunt down a non-existent SPI bug
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[18:32] <ShadowJK> like, repeatably?
[18:32] <Gadgetoid__> ShadowJK, there abouts yes
[18:32] * Gadgetoid__ runs it a few times
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[18:33] <sundhaug92> Could it be that the power-management is funky?
[18:33] <Gadgetoid__> 20.009, 17.408, 19.599
[18:33] <Gadgetoid__> sundhaug92, the Pi doesn't feel slow though
[18:34] <sundhaug92> Gadgetoid__: I know, that's the weird part
[18:34] <Gadgetoid__> I guess it depends what uses usleep
[18:35] <sundhaug92> Still, 20x-time is horrid
[18:36] <sundhaug92> btw. where can I get the src so that I can compile some modules for the rpi2?
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[18:37] <ShadowJK> Gadgetoid__, does /proc/wakelocks exist?
[18:37] <Gadgetoid__> Riiight, homeware I go!
[18:37] <Gadgetoid__> ShadowJK, will have to check in a mo, got to relocate home!
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[18:38] <sundhaug92> ShadowJK: not here
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[18:40] <clever> ShadowJK: from what i remember, the android stuff like wakelocks is already upstream in mainline linux, you just have to flip it on in menuconfig
[18:40] <ShadowJK> Just wondering if it's accidentally on
[18:40] <clever> when i was trying to fix razdroid, i was able to take the pi fork of linux, and just flip on the android options to make it work
[18:44] <clever> i believe i was also able to run rasbian on the android kernel without any side-effects
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[18:48] <Bilby> *yawn*
[18:48] <Bilby> Code makes me sleepy. And it's not playing on a RasPi so I'm bored too lol
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[18:56] <djazz> rpi2 acquired! ;D
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[19:01] <Bilby> djazz niiiiice
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[19:03] <djazz> seems like it shipped from UK that was quick
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[19:03] <benighted> so what's the skinny on RP2? Anyone stocking yet?
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[19:05] <theorist> sold out
[19:05] <theorist> in usa I guess
[19:05] <benighted> Has anyone received a RP2 yet?
[19:05] <theorist> yes
[19:05] <theorist> a few people in here have them
[19:05] <theorist> they may be afk now
[19:05] <djazz> i have got mine
[19:06] <benighted> I'm a bit worried, MS getting their tenticles in there - and does the box really say "Made with some friends at Google"?
[19:06] <djazz> havent opened the package yet
[19:06] <djazz> just picked it up
[19:06] <benighted> ah, spoiler alert... congrats djazz
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[19:07] <djazz> omw home :D
[19:07] <benighted> djazz, where you order from?
[19:07] <djazz> rs online sweden
[19:07] <mpmc> I have mine running now. What's with the pixel box in the top right hand corner lol.
[19:07] <djazz> thats not new mpmc
[19:07] <djazz> power related i think
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[19:08] <mpmc> djazz: I've never ran the ui before, so it is new to me :p
[19:08] <clever> mpmc: what color/shape is it?
[19:08] <djazz> ui?
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[19:08] <djazz> lxde?
[19:08] <mpmc> Shame it still can't do software video decoding.
[19:08] <mpmc> djazz: Yes.
[19:09] <djazz> i know the box appear when booting
[19:09] <djazz> and goes away
[19:09] <clever> there are 2 new icons that will apear in the corner, one is for low voltate, the other is over-temp
[19:09] <djazz> rainbow box
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[19:09] <mpmc> Yeah, mine is fading in and out lol.
[19:10] <djazz> in the panel?
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[19:10] <mpmc> No in the top right hand corner.
[19:10] <clever> mpmc: sounds like your powersupply cant handle the load
[19:10] <djazz> ^
[19:10] <clever> grab a volt meter and double check the output on the gpio header or that testpoint
[19:10] <mpmc> It's a 2amp usb hub lol.
[19:10] <clever> products lie
[19:10] <mpmc> My other Pi's work fine on it :p
[19:11] <clever> 4 cores need more current
[19:11] <djazz> 2a.. per port? or split on 4?
[19:11] <clever> and the old model lacks the brownout detection entirely
[19:11] <clever> so it just fails without warning
[19:11] <djazz> yeah
[19:11] <mpmc> djazz: 4 but only the Pi is connected.
[19:11] <Syliss> i wonder how long it will take to replenish stocks
[19:13] <benighted> I'm sticking with http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Freeshipment-for-Banana-PI-M2-BPI-M2-quad-core-single-board-computer-linux-board/32252431797.html for now, the ddr3 will probably make a difference
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[19:13] <benighted> will probably pick up a pi 2 and run a benchmark comparison
[19:14] <benighted> mpmc, are you using a self powered hub to power the pi?
[19:14] <mpmc> benighted: Yes.
[19:14] <ali1234> clever: so those icons are just drawn over the top of whatever with overlays?
[19:14] <ozzzy> benighted, there's one of sorts on youtube
[19:14] <clever> ali1234: yep, dispmanx overlays, same as omxplayer and most other stuff
[19:14] <clever> vnc wont see it
[19:14] <ali1234> that's really horrible
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[19:15] <clever> i think there is config.txt stuff to turn it off, but if its happening, you have bigger problems
[19:15] <ali1234> is there some way to see it if you don't have a monitor connected?
[19:15] <clever> not currently
[19:15] <ali1234> yeah...
[19:15] <clever> but i think the brownout is on a normal gpio
[19:15] <clever> so you can just use normal gpio interupt stuff on that pin
[19:15] <ali1234> on the A+?
[19:15] <clever> on any model that actualy has the brownout detector on the board
[19:15] <ali1234> this is the video previews all over again
[19:16] <clever> not sure which ones have it
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[19:16] <ali1234> i had no idea that raspivid is displaying the camera feed on the monitor... because i have no monitor
[19:16] <ali1234> i expect command line utilities to not have a gui
[19:16] <clever> just too much cpu usage to pipe it thru xorg and fb0
[19:16] <benighted> mpmc, I use a Poweradd� 25W 5V/5A charger... does a great job powering 4-5 sbc's
[19:17] <ali1234> clever: a tool like raspistill that captures to a jpg file should not be displaying anything at all
[19:17] <mpmc> benighted: Yeah I have one of those powering another 4 Pi's and an FM transmitter lol.
[19:17] <ali1234> that is, -n should be on by default
[19:17] <benighted> mpmc, ah then you are just avoiding buying another?
[19:18] <mpmc> benighted: Not really no, I have no more sockets free lol.
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[19:19] <mpmc> The pulsing square seems to only appear during video playback.
[19:20] <clever> higher current draw by the h264 blocks and everything involved in file loading
[19:20] <clever> i read on the forums that it will fade out so you can still detect a quick dip below the safe limit
[19:21] <ali1234> 3 seconds it says
[19:22] <ali1234> pretty useless without a monitor though. so how does this gpio work?
[19:22] <clever> just set a normal gpio interupt on the right pin and it can do something in arm zone
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[19:22] <clever> id look it up, but the forums are down last i checked
[19:22] <ali1234> and what if i need to use that GPIO for something else?
[19:23] <clever> its probly not on the gpio header
[19:23] <ali1234> okay
[19:23] <ali1234> is there an A+ schematic yet?
[19:23] <Smrtz> Anyone here running pwnpi? I'm downloading it, and it's already 4 times as big as a pfsense .iso. I'm just curious why it's so big?
[19:23] <mpmc> clever: Interesting, mine seems stable even though it's flashing, if I hit caps lock it speeds up lol!
[19:23] <clever> mpmc: usb keyboard?
[19:24] <mpmc> clever: Yes, with leds.
[19:24] <clever> makes sense then
[19:24] <clever> grab that volt meter and double-check things
[19:25] <mpmc> If I had one lol.
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[19:27] <Gadgetoid> Humm
[19:27] <benighted> mpmc, was there mention of google on the box it came in?
[19:27] <djazz> home! time to open pi package ^^
[19:27] <mpmc> benighted: No.
[19:28] <mpmc> Why'd you ask?
[19:29] <benighted> on CNET I saw a pi box that said something referencing 'made with help from our friends at google'... I personally woudn't be buying if that was the case
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[19:29] <ali1234> you don't like google but broadcom is perfectly okay?
[19:29] <mpmc> No google, nothing on the box from RS.
[19:30] <Gadgetoid> Google are spying on you no matter where you buy your computer, accept it!
[19:30] <benighted> ali1234, I still haven't ordered
[19:30] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: so is microsoft, facebook, the government, and everyone else
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[19:30] <benighted> Gadgetoid, that may be the case but I don't agree to it, and every conscious choice I have I choose not to promote or support anything to do with them. Personal choice
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[19:31] <clever> ali1234: and now MS will even be in your pi!
[19:31] <djazz> benighted: you meant the rpi box? it says nothing about google
[19:31] <djazz> afaik
[19:31] <benighted> djazz, mpmc it was on the CNET review of the RP2
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[19:32] <benighted> I know, MS is a turnoff, not a selling point...
[19:32] <benighted> for many it will be though
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[19:32] <ali1234> if google made a SBC at the model A+ price point i'd buy like a billion
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[19:33] <shiftplusone> benighted: you should google what google has to do with the pi (nothing)
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[19:33] <ali1234> no! do not type google in to google!
[19:33] <benighted> ali1234, and I would defend your right to do so
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[19:34] <mpmc> benighted: I've looked at the cnet reviews and I see no mention of google on the Element14 box either.
[19:34] <benighted> shiftplusone, that's cool - again, I couldn't find anything on it but CNET has it on their video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dsboDXSwqs4#t=68
[19:35] <benighted> I don't make this stuff up lol
[19:35] <mpmc> O.O
[19:35] <djazz> ali1234: Recursion. Did you mean recursion? :)
[19:35] <mpmc> OK
[19:35] <shiftplusone> benighted: a while back, google donated a bunch of money for a program to distribute pis to schools.
[19:35] <djazz> benighted: that's not the current design
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[19:36] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/15000-raspberry-pis-for-uk-schools-thanks-google/
[19:36] <shiftplusone> ^ on the first page of google if you google google raspberry pi.
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[19:36] <benighted> Nice PR piece
[19:37] <ali1234> actually now you mention it i remember that
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[19:39] <benighted> Funny part is that the school programs have been getting cut back because of the military and surveillance spending of their countries... and thankfully the nice geo-corps will come in and save the day...
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[19:40] <benighted> the lessons kids learn in school today
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[19:41] <ali1234> it's always been that way
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[19:42] <_nim> Is this the place for raspi hardware/circuit questions?
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[19:43] <shiftplusone> _nim: nope, right now it's a semi-coherent rambling about the government and mega corporations channel. But a pi-related question would certainly be a nice change.
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[19:45] <ali1234> _nim: ask your question?
[19:45] <_nim> shiftplusone: Thanks, I'll go ahead then. I've attached a DHT22 sensor to my pi. The first time I plugged it in (and then turned on the pi), I put it in the wrong way (180 degrees mirrored). It got really hot before I noticed and then I removed the power source to the pi. Now I installed it correctly (and I get output), but it heats up on its own now. Right now it's 42 degrees C. Did I fry it?
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[19:46] <omfg_tora> haha! yes! they liked the new self-entry rpi. we are getting 4 more and possibly 5 more after that.
[19:46] <ali1234> _nim: if it still talks, probably not
[19:46] <Bilby> omfg_tora you still working on that kiosk?
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[19:47] <shiftplusone> If a temperature sensor heats up to 40 degrees... you guys don't see a problem there? O_o
[19:47] <_nim> ali1234: Well that's always something. Do you know why it heats up on its own though? A temperature sensor shouldnt, as far as I am concerned, produce heat on its own
[19:47] <ali1234> _nim: you probably have to calibrate it
[19:47] <pksato> toasted sensor.
[19:47] <shiftplusone> is this 40 degrees reading from the sensor or does it actually feel hot?
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[19:48] <_nim> ali1234: My room is probably only like 20 degrees C right now. It's wayy, wayy off. So the heat must've been produced by itself. Shiftplusone: It feels really hot. Around 40-50 degrees I'd say. Doesn't burn me but is not pleasant to touch
[19:48] <pksato> v+ and gnd swapped. It is not good.
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[19:48] <ali1234> 42 degrees is slightly above body temperature is it not? so it shouldn't feel warm
[19:49] <ali1234> well, warm but not hot
[19:49] <shiftplusone> yeah, so it sounds dead and you should unplug it asap, it's probably drawing more current than it should right now.
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[19:49] <_nim> I'll turn it off immediately then! Should I just go buy a new sensor then? I mean, if I get output I've plugged it in correctly now and won't make this mistake again
[19:50] <pksato> need to buy new one.
[19:51] <ali1234> _nim: what board do you actually have?
[19:52] <_nim> ali1234: rpi b+
[19:52] <pksato> On electronic experimentation is normal burn some parts, mostly the expensive parts.
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[19:52] <ali1234> no, i mean, do you have the DHT on a breakout or just the raw module?
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[19:54] <_nim> breakout? I have the raw module plugged into a breadboard. Connected to the power gpio, the ground gpio and the data gpio all accordingly. With a 10k resistor of course
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[19:55] <MidEvil> new pi http://thehackernews.com/2015/02/Raspberry-Pi-2-windows-10.html
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[19:55] <ApolloJustice> yep
[19:55] <ApolloJustice> no one knew mate
[19:55] * ApolloJustice rolls eyes
[19:55] <MidEvil> already ordered
[19:55] <MidEvil> hehe
[19:55] <ApolloJustice> same here
[19:56] <ApolloJustice> lel
[19:56] <omfg_tora> Bilby: no, i found a good image that works 'out-of-the-box' (binaryemotions.com). it was their digital signage image that worked. now we are going to order 4 more and hopefully another 5 later.
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[19:56] <ali1234> _nim: okay... well, it's probably broken. datasheet says it uses a max of 2mA so it should not generate heat
[19:56] <omfg_tora> even paid for the donation package, which is totally worth it.
[19:56] <Bilby> omfg_tora wait so you're -not- using pi for the kiosks? are you using them for signage then?
[19:56] <_nim> ali1234: That's a shame... I'll go get a new one then. Luckily they're cheap. Do you think it could've damaged anything else?
[19:57] <ali1234> _nim: unlikely
[19:57] <omfg_tora> they are as kiosks, the digital signage image is just the one that fits our needs
[19:57] <MidEvil> will be cool to make dual boot windows 10 raspbmc
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[19:58] <Bilby> omfg_tora cool! last i'd heard you weren't having any luck getting them to buy into the idea. glad you persevered :)
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[19:59] <_nim> ali1234: That's a relief... Thanks a lot
[19:59] <omfg_tora> yeah! i decided to try that one image right after they said something like "dont bother anymore if it takes this much setup"
[19:59] <omfg_tora> and it worked perfectly
[19:59] <Hexxeh> sunspider running on RPi2 compiled with target optimisations, 1650ms
[19:59] <utack> rpi2 is already out in the wild?
[19:59] <Hexxeh> i got mine yesterday
[19:59] <omfg_tora> Rpi2 is our?
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[19:59] <omfg_tora> Omg!
[19:59] <shiftplusone> utack: of course.
[19:59] <utack> hey who wants to test x264 on that thing ;9
[20:00] <utack> i would really love to see numbers
[20:00] <omfg_tora> i didnt know the rpi2 was out already!
[20:00] <shiftplusone> omfg_tora: really? Someone should take away the rock you've been living under. =P
[20:00] <Hexxeh> running octane benchmarks now
[20:00] <Hexxeh> but the numbers look /awesome/
[20:00] <Bilby> omfg_tora lol
[20:00] <omfg_tora> by rock you mean the pile of work i have?
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[20:00] <Hexxeh> octane is seeing at LEAST a 3x improvement compared to armv6 binaries
[20:00] <Hexxeh> even on the same rpi2 hardware
[20:01] <shiftplusone> interesting
[20:01] <shiftplusone> is it using NEON or something?
[20:01] <Hexxeh> octane score 1700
[20:01] <Hexxeh> this is on Firefox, but Chromium uses neon fairly heavily
[20:01] <utack> Hexxeh is phoronix test suite available?
[20:01] <Hexxeh> utack: i dunno what that involves sorry
[20:02] <omfg_tora> it looks like B+ cases would work on the Rpi2, is this true?
[20:02] <utack> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoronixTestSuite
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[20:02] <utack> this thing
[20:02] <shiftplusone> omfg_tora: not all of them.
[20:02] <ali1234> omfg_tora: mostly yes
[20:02] <utack> an all in one benchmark suite
[20:02] <omfg_tora> what would be the main difference that would be incompatible?
[20:02] <ali1234> omfg_tora: the chip layout is a bit different so really tight cases like pibow don't work
[20:03] <omfg_tora> do you think this one would fit? http://www.amazon.com/JBtek%C2%AE-Black-Raspberry-Access-Ports/dp/B00ONOKPHC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1422989966&sr=8-2&keywords=jbtek+raspberry+pi
[20:03] <pksato> on bottom now have a large 1GB ram memory chip
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[20:07] <pksato> https://makezineblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/rpi_back.png
[20:07] <omfg_tora> this is the Rpi2?
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[20:08] <omfg_tora> pksato?
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[20:09] <omfg_tora> oh i see
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[20:09] <omfg_tora> it is
[20:09] <Getterac7> So those of you looking for a RasPi2, come out to Microcenter in Cleveland, Ohio, USA... i just picked up mine :D http://imgur.com/YkDSHuf
[20:09] <omfg_tora> meaning, those cases should work fine
[20:09] <omfg_tora> that's awesome
[20:09] <pksato> https://makezineblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/rpi_front.png
[20:11] <pksato> that is the unpopulated J5 on back?
[20:12] <shiftplusone> pksato: vc jtag
[20:13] <utack> Getterac7 will do that. oh wait the flight is 12h
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[20:13] <Getterac7> utack: totally worth. :X
[20:14] <shiftplusone> damn you Americans and ability to get the pi for $35
[20:14] <utack> yeah that really sucks :p
[20:14] <shiftplusone> by the time the rest of us pay for the currency conversion rate fluctuation, tax and shipping.....
[20:15] <utack> but our government does not blow up all the taxes in afghanistan, so i might as well pay them
[20:15] <utack> :p
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[20:16] <shiftplusone> heh
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[20:17] <Syliss> lol
[20:18] <Syliss> how much is it after everything shiftplusone ?
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[20:19] <shiftplusone> Don't know off the top of my head, but in Australia, it's quite a bit.
[20:19] <Syliss> ah
[20:19] <Syliss> isnt everything a lil bit more down under?
[20:20] <omfg_tora> and of course all the money spent in the NFL including the billions spent on the superbowl, of course, is untaxed becase the NFL is technically a Not-For-Profit
[20:20] <shiftplusone> yeah, but with the pi, we know it.
[20:20] <utack> 38.50� is the best offer here. pretty normal
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[20:20] <xreal> Can Raspberry v1 handle SDcards with 32, 64 GB ?
[20:20] <utack> is there any super cheap chinese board? like mediatek or such?
[20:20] <shiftplusone> xreal: yes.
[20:20] <xreal> shiftplusone: where's the limit?
[20:21] <shiftplusone> xreal: there isn't one
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[20:21] <xreal> shiftplusone: can it read SDHC and everything elase?
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[20:22] <xreal> SDXC
[20:22] <shiftplusone> I don't know about 'everything else' but sdxc, yes.
[20:22] <xreal> shiftplusone: Okay, since my USB flash drive is too slow, I'll buy a bigger SD card. Thanks for your support.
[20:22] <xreal> I can get 1,2 MB/s over the network only :(
[20:22] <xreal> To the SD card it's 7 MB/s.
[20:23] <Syliss> yeah 256gb sd card minimum
[20:23] <shiftplusone> and what do you get over usb?
[20:23] <Syliss> lulz
[20:23] <xreal> shiftplusone: SD: 7 MB/s.
[20:23] <shiftplusone> and what do you get over usb?
[20:24] <xreal> shiftplusone: max. 1.2 MB/s
[20:24] <shiftplusone> that doesn't sound right
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[20:25] <xreal> shiftplusone: Yep... it's annoying me.
[20:25] <xreal> shiftplusone: even copying to it is slooowwww.
[20:25] <xreal> Tested ext[2-4] with and without journal
[20:25] <shiftplusone> is this with heavy ethernet /wifi usage at the same time?
[20:25] <djazz> ^^ http://imgur.com/a/oMm8L
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[20:26] <xreal> shiftplusone: not at all.
[20:26] <xreal> shiftplusone: even no CPU usage.
[20:26] <xreal> shiftplusone: around 10% when running htop :)
[20:26] <shiftplusone> Is.... is that a my little pony in the background?
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[20:26] * shiftplusone shakes his head in disapproval at djazz
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[20:27] <djazz> shiftplusone: eh, yes?
[20:27] <djazz> xD
[20:27] <xreal> shiftplusone: could you give me some hints on benchmarking? Shall I try normal DDing ?
[20:28] <shiftplusone> xreal: nuh, nothing off the top of my head.
[20:28] <shiftplusone> djazz: well, congratulations on the pi 2 at least.
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[20:28] <djazz> :D
[20:28] <xreal> shiftplusone: USB and Network are sharing USB both, aren't they?
[20:28] <djazz> dding raspbian atm
[20:29] <shiftplusone> xreal: yeah
[20:29] <xreal> shiftplusone: Perhaps it's limited to that?
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[20:30] <shiftplusone> 1.2MB/s is still low and if you've got no network load....
[20:30] <xreal> shiftplusone: yeah :(
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[20:39] <funkster> Can someone load this url on a pi2 and see if it stutters any with animations? http://revolution.themepunch.com/home-slider-fullscreen/
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[20:41] <benighted> any OC capability on RP2?
[20:42] <shiftplusone> yup
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[20:44] <Syliss> i wonder how fast we can get the clock to
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[20:45] <shiftplusone> I think arm_freq will go up to 1.2GHz... not sure if it's possible to go above that due to how the clock stuff works internally.
[20:46] <Syliss> still, 4 1.2ghz cores would be nice
[20:46] <TheatreOfTragedy> Im running my old B version stable at 1.2 GHz with heatsinks and fan, sure the new B would go over 1.2 fairly easy?
[20:47] <shiftplusone> each pi will overclock differently, so I can't say how easily your particular pi will overclock.
[20:47] <TheatreOfTragedy> I read that the overvolting will be a little nicer in the new model, theoretically allowing higher clock frequencies
[20:47] <TheatreOfTragedy> yeah, of course thats true
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[20:49] <Hexxeh> i've hit a pretty hard ceiling just below 1.2GHz
[20:49] <Hexxeh> 1150mhz seems fine though
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[20:49] <Syliss> yeah i run mine at 1ghz all the time
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[20:51] <Hexxeh> shiftplusone: what's the deal with clocks over 1.2GHz?
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[20:54] <Syliss> Hexxeh: its cause more speeds more power. Not really tho
[20:55] <Hexxeh> in fairness i'm using a 1.6A supply which some folks are saying isn't enough
[20:55] <Syliss> in the new one?
[20:55] <Hexxeh> i suppose i could use a bench supply and power it via the power pins on the IO block
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[20:56] <theugster> Hexxeh: Have you got any equipment to measure actual current draw from the USB socket?
[20:56] <Hexxeh> yes
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[20:56] <Hexxeh> happily part of my job involves power profiling of embedded devices, so I have a whole bunch of equipment to do just that
[20:57] <TheatreOfTragedy> what's the suggested current on the rp2? I just purchased one with two amperes alongside the rp2. I assume thatll be more than enough?
[20:57] <theugster> I'd be curious to see what those numbers are when overclocked and under load, I have a dinky little USB display that I've been meaning to hook up to the Pi
[20:57] <DJRWolf> is the Pi 2 compatible with Pi 1 B+ cases?
[20:57] <Mutantx> Yes
[20:57] <TheatreOfTragedy> yes
[20:57] <DJRWolf> sweet :)
[20:57] <theugster> Hexxeh: That sounds like an awesome job!
[20:58] <Hexxeh> theugster: sure is, I work at Pebble so I get to hack on smartwatches all day long
[20:58] <shiftplusone> Hexxeh: I don't know. A while back jamesh said on the forum that the clocks don't go higher than that, but I don't know.
[20:59] <Hexxeh> shiftplusone: interesting, wonder if it's something that could be worked around
[20:59] <exobuzz> so what have people managed to overclock their rp2 to ?
[20:59] <Hexxeh> 1.15GHz
[20:59] <shiftplusone> for all I know, it's nor applicable to a pi 2, but I don't think anything has changed there.
[20:59] <DoctorBTC> so, are there any places that have rpi2 in stock (us based)?
[21:00] <DJRWolf> *rubs hands together and cackles with glee*
[21:00] <exobuzz> not a huge amount then. was hoping for more. to persuade me to get one over an odroid c1
[21:00] <Iota> It's Hexxeh! :D I remember you from the first round of Pis being dispatched. How's it going, almost 3 years later?
[21:00] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=76294#p545005
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[21:00] <utack> Hexxeh are you expecting a xiaomi smartwatch?
[21:00] <Iota> I still have your blog in my favourites somewhere.
[21:00] <exobuzz> 1.5ghz pi with gigabit would be nice ;-)
[21:00] <TheatreOfTragedy> Well a guy over at the OC forums got 4.1GHz apparently, but obviously crazy unstable and almost instant crash: http://www.overclock.net/t/1404207/extreme-cooled-raspberry-pi/30#post_20309056
[21:01] <theugster> Haha
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[21:01] <shiftplusone> TheatreOfTragedy: no, he only put the number in, which doesn't mean anything.
[21:01] <ozzzy> I don't overclock things
[21:01] <shiftplusone> you can put a million in there if you want.
[21:01] <DJRWolf> that link that shiftplusone posted said the chip has a speed limit of 1.2 Ghz
[21:02] <theugster> I wonder how safe it is to cool something in open air with R-134a...
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[21:03] <Hexxeh> Iota: haha yep, I'm back, excited about Pi all over again
[21:03] <Syliss> umm prolly not safe theugster
[21:03] <Iota> :D!
[21:03] <Iota> Congratulations on graduating, man. I myself graduated last year too.
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[21:06] <TheatreOfTragedy> how would a usb to gigabit adapter increase bandwidth and by how much if possible? I saw it being mentioned on the forums a while back
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[21:06] <DJRWolf> hmmm, Element14 page says the Pi 2 has the same chip layout as the Pi 1 B+ so I guess that means I can use the same heat sinks
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[21:08] <TheatreOfTragedy> " You could possibllly add an external USB2 to gitabit ethernet adaptor and get a bit more than 100Mbps but you won't get anywhere near gigabit speeds." - Plugwash (moderator)
[21:08] <TheatreOfTragedy> Im curious as to how that works in theory and what kind of increase it would give
[21:08] <Syliss> well duh
[21:08] <TheatreOfTragedy> The built-on ethernet is already adapted from USB
[21:09] <Syliss> usb 2.0 speeds are 480mbps max theory, 240mbps reality
[21:09] <DJRWolf> USB 2 has a speed limit of 480 Mbps
[21:09] <DJRWolf> you can only get gigabit with USB 3
[21:09] <Syliss> also depends on i/o
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[21:13] <DrBrownBear> anyone getting the rpi2?
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[21:16] <shiftplusone> DrBrownBear: of course
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[21:16] <DrBrownBear> shiftplusone, I want one, but I don't NEED one. The rpi1 has more than enough power for me so far :(
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[21:16] <DrBrownBear> #firstworldproblems
[21:18] <exobuzz> heh
[21:18] <shiftplusone> you'll need one after you buy one and get used to it... the pi 1 doesn't feel like enough afterwards.
[21:18] <utack> it has enough power for the purpose it was designed for indeed, drive some GPIO's :p
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[21:20] <solrize> the pi camera is fixed focus, has anyone put any focusing lenses on it for close-ups & so ?
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[21:23] <theugster> solrize: There was a guy here the other day that had some streaming webcams using Pi cameras with separate lenses, so yes it's possible. I don't have any other info beyond that though
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[21:24] <Kanerix> hello
[21:24] <Getterac7> DrBrownBear: yeah, totally picked up my RPi2 at lunch today. Gonna play with it when i get home.
[21:24] <solrize> is there any reason they didn't use an autofocus module like cheap mobile phones have?
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[21:25] <Kanerix> I'm looking for suggestions for a protective case for the rpi camera. I have been looking around, but I have not had a whole lot of luck finding something decent. Does anyone have experience/opinions on the matter?
[21:25] <theugster> Likely cost
[21:25] <theugster> solrize: http://www.truetex.com/raspberry_pi_m12_lens_adapter.jpg
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[21:25] <solrize> thanks!
[21:25] <theugster> Looks like putting an adapter on isn't a huge deal, then you can use just about any lense you want
[21:25] <Kanerix> I'm also wondering if anyone knows how much power the camera uses on a B+
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[21:26] <theugster> Kanerix: This is kind of a tease, but I saw this the other day: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1821240043/pice-the-ultimate-case-for-your-raspberry-pi-and-c
[21:27] <theugster> Metal alloy weatherproof case... Their site has no referense to it now unfortunately
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[21:27] <Lartza> What mfpu setting is correct for rpi2?
[21:27] <Kanerix> heh I was thinking something smaller, but that's pretty slick
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[21:27] <Lartza> I am assuming march is armv7-a and mcpu/mtune cortex-a7
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[21:28] <Mutantx> Not sure about the leave it out in the rain part..
[21:29] <darcling> i was needing to do some research on the same topic ...
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[21:31] <Hexxeh> Lartza: neon
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[21:32] <Lartza> Thank you
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[21:45] <banseljaj> Hey guys. I'm considering making a cluster for doing random stuff on using a bunch of Pi 2s. But I have also been suggested to use ODroid U3 since that would be usable for serious computing after I make it as well. Does anyone here have any thoughts? I'm basically in uncharted territory here, doing this to learn stuff I don't know
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[21:47] <shiftplusone> if the goal is to learn stuff, it doesn't matter.
[21:48] <banseljaj> The goal is to learn stuff and maybe have something usable afterwards
[21:48] * shiftplusone shrugs
[21:49] <shiftplusone> then PCs will give you best bang per buck, I think.
[21:49] <ShorTie> let your pocket book rule it then
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[21:49] <shiftplusone> agh... house mate left food cooking and forgot about it... turns out our fire alarms are a pain to turn off and you need a screwdriver
[21:50] <banseljaj> My pocket book gets me twice as many pi2s as Odroids.
[21:50] <banseljaj> :(
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[21:50] <Getterac7> banseljaj: odroid-c1 is $35 and has a better CPU...
[21:50] <shiftplusone> I suspect if you're making a cluster, having 3 nodes is as educational as 50.
[21:51] <banseljaj> That is fair enough
[21:51] <shiftplusone> Hell, could probably run multiple VMs on a single PC and get the same value out of it.
[21:51] <Getterac7> aye, true story.
[21:52] <banseljaj> Yes. But VMs are boring to me now. I want to build something in hardware as opposed to software.
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[21:52] <shiftplusone> Then I don't think it really matters.
[21:52] <banseljaj> My therpaist recommended more physical stuff than sitting in front of a screen. this is a bargain
[21:52] <banseljaj> :D
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[21:53] <DF3D2> my pie2 is supposed to come tomorrow!
[21:53] <shiftplusone> I.... don't think that's what the therapist had in mind...
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[21:54] <banseljaj> I know. :D But she did agree that this was a compromise
[21:54] <banseljaj> and handling physical components will require me going to the nearest lab.
[21:54] <banseljaj> So it kinda balances out
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[21:55] <shiftplusone> heh
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[21:56] <banseljaj> Hi I'm banseljaj, a doctor turned sysadmin from pakistan
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[21:57] <DF3D2> hi I'm DF3D2 an IT guy from USA
[21:58] <Bilby> hi I'm Bilby a small marsupial typically found in desert Australia
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[21:59] <banseljaj> And here I though high speed internet access wasn't as widespread in australia as it should be.
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[22:02] <DF3D2> banseljaj, yeah but he has a data cap
[22:02] <DF3D2> so he can only do a few bilby things
[22:02] <banseljaj> Awww
[22:03] <banseljaj> So I've decided to buy a mixture of C1 and Pi2
[22:03] <banseljaj> Now I hope I can get it through customs. Cuz somehow customs here really hate me getting electronics. -_-
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[22:05] <DF3D2> banseljaj, nice
[22:06] <DF3D2> so excited, my pi2 is supposed to be here tomorrow
[22:06] <banseljaj> :D
[22:06] <banseljaj> I'll have to wait a few weeks
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[22:06] <banseljaj> but yay!
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[22:08] * ozzzy gave up being excited about hardware in 1994
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[22:11] <e^ipi> ozzzy: you realize you’re in a hardware channel yeah?
[22:11] <DF3D2> ozzzy, get rekt!
[22:12] <ozzzy> e^ipi, yep... doesn't mean I have to be excited LOL
[22:12] <e^ipi> doesn’t mean you need to comment on others’ excitement either
[22:12] <e^ipi> build up, don’t tear down.
[22:12] <ozzzy> get stuffed
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[22:13] <banseljaj> Or tear it up and paint the town read
[22:13] <ozzzy> the pi is a great little platform... I own 2 and have just ordered 2 more
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[22:14] <DF3D2> ozzzy, ill stuff you like a mushroom
[22:14] <ozzzy> appears that my heat problems with the Bs are the cases... which is odd
[22:14] <ozzzy> yeah yeah
[22:15] <DF3D2> I should get my sd card ready for tomorrow I guess
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[22:15] <ozzzy> DF3D2, yeah... I did that too LOL
[22:16] <ozzzy> and ordered 2 cases and 2 power supplies from China Inc.
[22:16] <DF3D2> so raspbmc is debian based?
[22:16] <banseljaj> ozzzy: Do you recommend those cases?
[22:16] <ozzzy> banseljaj, I haven't gotten them yet
[22:16] <DF3D2> I havent ordered a case yet, and I have USB wall chargers im gonna use to power it
[22:16] <DF3D2> the kind with the removeable usb wire and wall dongle
[22:17] <ozzzy> there are some simple cases for $4 on ebay... I ordered 2
[22:17] <ozzzy> if they're no good I'm only out 8 bux
[22:17] <DF3D2> ozzzy, link?
[22:17] <ozzzy> hang on
[22:17] <DF3D2> I'd be interested possibly
[22:17] <DF3D2> im really hoping the pi2 works out well
[22:17] <ozzzy> http://goo.gl/ja3exe
[22:17] <ozzzy> it should
[22:17] <DF3D2> I have several htpc's I could replace, and would love to do so. I could sell off the hardware and reduce power use
[22:18] <ozzzy> I'm eventually going to put Win10 on it and it'll replace the miniputer at the telescope
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[22:18] <DF3D2> epacket from china takes forever tho :\
[22:18] <ozzzy> yep
[22:18] <DF3D2> id rather pay the $8 or 9 off amazon w/ prime shipping lol
[22:18] <ozzzy> I'm not in any rush
[22:19] <DF3D2> I was so nervous when I ordered my pi2 the invoice said shipping date feb 17th
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[22:19] <DF3D2> now I got emailed a tracking it's coming tomorrow lol
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[22:20] <MalteJ> hi, maybe you can help me: I am looking for the most minimal linux installation for the rpi
[22:20] <ozzzy> just dump all the graphical stuff to starters
[22:20] <MalteJ> don't want to have much more than an ssh server
[22:20] <DF3D2> so is raspbmc really good?
[22:20] <ozzzy> xbmc itself is really good
[22:20] <ShorTie> rasp-net-install
[22:20] <CoJaBo> MalteJ: Tinycore supports pi now
[22:21] <DF3D2> ozzzy, yeah I use xbmc now
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[22:21] <ozzzy> I wish I could find an addon for documentaries
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[22:22] <irc_smirk> hello
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[22:22] <irc_smirk> any info released on how more powerhungry the new pi is?
[22:22] <DF3D2> it's still 5v
[22:22] <ShorTie> MalteJ, https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[22:22] <ozzzy> irc_smirk, depends on what you plug into it I guess
[22:22] <ShorTie> as mini as it comes
[22:22] <CoJaBo> ..what new pi?
[22:22] <DF3D2> I just flash the img.gz to an sd card and pop in the pi right?
[22:22] <DF3D2> ive never owned a pi before, im guessing the pi2 has a power button or?
[22:23] <irc_smirk> CoJaBo wuuut
[22:23] <ozzzy> DF3D2, nope... no power button
[22:23] <ozzzy> just plug in the microusb
[22:23] <DF3D2> ah
[22:24] <shiftplusone> DF3D2: no, you flash the .img. And no, no power button.
[22:24] <MalteJ> ShorTie: that looks nice. Do you know how much disk space is used in the minimum installation and how many processes are started?
[22:24] <ozzzy> that doesn't stop you from adding a switch
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[22:24] <CoJaBo> ?
[22:24] <irc_smirk> pi 2 man
[22:24] <ShorTie> sorry, not off the top of my head, but not much
[22:24] <CoJaBo> There's a pi2?
[22:25] <DF3D2> all the current images on the website need the new kernels to take advantage of the pi2 right? so run sudo update-pi ?
[22:25] <shiftplusone> CoJaBo: heh, yes.
[22:25] <abnormal> give him the link
[22:25] <shiftplusone> I think people know how to use the internet nowadays.
[22:26] <abnormal> lol really?? lol
[22:26] <CoJaBo> Dat quadcore.
[22:26] <DF3D2> ^
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[22:26] <shiftplusone> 'tis nice.
[22:26] <DF3D2> QUADIZZZZLE
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[22:27] <abnormal> I wanna get like a few thousand of them
[22:27] * CoJaBo wonder how hard it's gonna be to get one of those..
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[22:27] <CoJaBo> Is there any word about there being an "A" variant of that or not?
[22:27] <uriah> not in the near future
[22:28] <uriah> besides, A/A+ is for lower power projects
[22:28] <uriah> quadcore would make it be more power-hungry
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[22:28] <CoJaBo> My main constraint is "cheap" :P
[22:28] <shiftplusone> not at idle and cpu usage has never affected power usage much on the pi.
[22:28] <uriah> CoJaBo: ah...
[22:29] <uriah> shiftplusone: orly
[22:29] <uriah> i see...
[22:29] <CoJaBo> I like Pi because I can get one for $20
[22:29] <abnormal> then comes out a qintuple core, lol
[22:29] <CoJaBo> lol
[22:29] <uriah> shiftplusone: i'd be interested in seeing the power consumption benchmarks on the pi2... we'll just have to wait and see...
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[22:31] <banseljaj> A Deca-hexacore Pi!
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[22:32] <e^ipi> i like pi because it has an array of GPIO rails.
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[22:32] <e^ipi> i’d actually prefer a slower, crappier one for less money
[22:32] <e^ipi> but others are excited by having more power, so good on ‘em
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[22:32] <irc_smirk> so pi 2 better than banana pi now or same?
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[22:34] <shiftplusone> it was always better than banana pi O_o
[22:34] <exobuzz> well, in regards to raw specs, ignoring the gpu part (as I don't know), the banana pi has a faster default clock speed, gigabit ethernet. not sure about ram speeds etc
[22:34] <exobuzz> but pi has the community etc
[22:35] <abnormal> yup
[22:35] <exobuzz> the odroid c1 is faster than the banana pi also (for the same price)
[22:35] <abnormal> and element14
[22:35] <abnormal> so?
[22:35] <exobuzz> odroid c1 clocked at 1.5ghz. but it's $35 price, seems to be £35 in the uk
[22:35] <abnormal> if you want those buy them
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[22:36] <Morgoth> The new Pi2 B and B+ have the TSSR 3.5 jack.
[22:36] <exobuzz> hmm ? they were wanting to compare specs, so I gave some info and another board.. .. hope that's ok. if not. close your eyes
[22:36] <Morgoth> Does that mean there might be a way to use a headset cable, with a microphone?
[22:36] <exobuzz> you know, you can own/run a pi, and still think about other hardware. you don't have to be exclusive and fanatical :)
[22:37] <dob1> do you think that the new raspberry can run sftp without limiting the transfer's speed due to the better cpu?
[22:37] <exobuzz> the speed is limited by the ethernet speed
[22:37] <dob1> exobuzz, i don't think so, try to run iperf
[22:37] <dob1> you have full speed using iperf, but with encryption speed is limited
[22:38] <exobuzz> ok sorry, you will possibly get a faster speed, up to the limit of the ethernet speed
[22:38] <exobuzz> there is cpu overhead for encryption of course
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[22:38] <dob1> now using blowfish as cipher you get, 2-3Mb/s, maybe 8-9 i hope
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[22:40] <exobuzz> but you can probably max out the ethernet by doing multiple transfers :)
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[22:40] <abnormal> exobuzz, sorry i am fanatical.... but I have 5 pi's and are happy with them... I use my pi B all the time chatting... it works wonderful.
[22:40] <exobuzz> simultaneously
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[22:41] <exobuzz> glad you are happy. i own a few pi's also, but I may well buy an odroid c1 also.
[22:42] <abnormal> I am gunna buy the new B 2 pi... maybe a thousand of them... lolllll
[22:42] <dob1> it need the same power of the b+ ?
[22:43] <exobuzz> Power
[22:43] <exobuzz> I just so happen to have a FriedCircuits USB current/voltage/power meter sitting around. When monitoring the power consumption of the Raspi 2, there is a slight increase in power consumption over the Raspberry Pi 1.
[22:43] <exobuzz> When booting to a Raspbian desktop, the Raspberry Pi 1 draws about 290mA, dropping to about 250mA once the desktop is loaded. The Raspberry Pi 2 draws about 340mA at boot, dropping to about 270mA once the desktop is loaded. There is a slight increase in current draw from the Raspi 1 to the Raspi 2.
[22:43] <exobuzz> http://hackaday.com/2015/02/02/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-2/
[22:43] <exobuzz> (according to that review)
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[22:45] <dob1> it seems good imho
[22:45] <e^ipi> exobuzz: i’m not fanatical, know anything out there that’s cheaper than the pi but has at least an i2c rail ?
[22:46] <exobuzz> heh :) I don't sorry
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[22:48] <e^ipi> i’m actually happy to wire up just like, an armhf soc chip to a pcb
[22:49] <e^ipi> except i don’t know of any that are going to be significantly cheaper than the pi compute module
[22:49] * exobuzz breaks hardware - so sticks mostly to software ;-)
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[22:50] <utack_> soo, anyone with a raspberry 2 around who wants to test x264?
[22:50] <abnormal> x264?
[22:50] <utack_> the video encoder
[22:50] <utack_> it has armv6 assembly and was painfully slow without it on version 1
[22:50] <utack_> *armv7 assembly
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[22:53] <abnormal> oh? that's new to me
[22:53] <abnormal> maybe shiftplusone can explain it to you..
[22:53] <utack_> yeah it crashed on me with "illegal instruction" on the raspberry pi 1, and after compiling it without the assembly code it was reeally really slow
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[22:53] <utack_> like 0.5fps encoding speed at full hd
[22:54] <exobuzz> I guess it will be quicker, but no idea. Is there any software to utilise the gpu for encoding h264 yet ?
[22:54] <abnormal> hmmm sorry that is what I an not familiar to...
[22:55] <ali1234> exobuzz: if you have the pi camera module the GPU will give you h264 from it i think
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[22:55] <utack_> it expect it to be a lot quicker
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[22:55] <utack_> they said x6 performance for normally multitasked apps, i would guess it is around 10x faster with assembly in place
[22:55] <utack_> or more who knows
[22:56] <exobuzz> only if you can do multi threaded encoding I would think. but without a benchmark it's anyones guess
[22:57] <Draylor> dont suppose you'd have a simple test that'd take 10 seconds to setup exobuzz ?
[22:57] <exobuzz> ffmpeg does support multi-threaded encoding for some codecs at least, but it doesn't work out quite as good as 2x / 3x etc
[22:57] <ali1234> x264 has multithreading too apparently
[22:57] <exobuzz> (on x86 i mean)
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[22:58] <exobuzz> yeh you can do multithreadedd x264 encode and decode I believe..
[22:58] <utack_> phoronix test suite has a x264 test Draylor, i would guess it works on ubuntu
[22:58] <ShorTie> heard ffmeg is real good on the rpi2
[22:58] <dob1> on the new raspberry do you install raspbian, a new raspbian optimized for armv7 (it will be released?), or a normal debian?
[22:59] <Draylor> same, update raspbian and it has kernels for v6 & v7, selects the right one on boot
[22:59] <ali1234> userspace is still unoptimized though
[22:59] <dob1> Draylor, but packages are compiled for armv6
[22:59] <ali1234> you should be able to install regular debian but you'll have to do it manually for now
[22:59] <Draylor> yup, kernel has v6 & v7 now though
[22:59] <Draylor> update raspbian, look in /boot
[23:00] <Draylor> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3968376 Feb 3 12:14 kernel7.img
[23:00] <Draylor> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3996240 Feb 3 12:14 kernel.img
[23:00] <dob1> but you have to create config.txt, cmdline.txt, etc?
[23:00] <Draylor> kernel7 = armv7
[23:00] <Draylor> take sd card from pi1, pop it into pi2, boots & works
[23:00] <ali1234> there should be a new image with the new kernels on it already
[23:01] <ali1234> for raspbian
[23:01] <Draylor> but will have to have been updated in last few days, no idea when the files were all sorted out
[23:01] <utack_> is arch linux working yet? just use a generic armv7 installer?
[23:01] <dob1> Draylor, can i see lsmod ?
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[23:02] <exobuzz> I have an updated retropie image if anyone is interested
[23:02] <Draylor> not sure whats interesting in it, but : http://pastebin.com/kC0tVGN0
[23:02] <exobuzz> need to upload it to google drive, this will be the next retropie 2.4.x image
[23:02] <dob1> Draylor, seems the same modules
[23:04] <teclo-> hm maybe am I doing it wrong, but it seems I can't plug my HDMI cable into the Pi
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[23:05] <optimist> Does anyone know if the BCM2836 NEON includes the VFPv4 option, with double-precision FP?
[23:05] <teclo-> it's the cable I use to connect my Canon EOS 60D to the TV with the HDMI out connector
[23:07] <Hasselsaurus> teclo- B+ and 2 use a standard full-size HDMI connector
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[23:08] <DF3D2> whats the benefit of raspbmx over raspbian ? I mean couldnt I juse download xbmc on to raspbian ?
[23:08] <teclo-> Hasselsaurus: ah
[23:08] <teclo-> I think mine is the B
[23:08] <DF3D2> raspbmc*
[23:10] <teclo-> I got the Raspberry Pi B
[23:10] <exobuzz> my dev pi is a 256M model b...
[23:11] <teclo-> exobuzz: does the HDMI connector fit ?
[23:11] <exobuzz> it fits my hdmi cable
[23:12] <teclo-> microHDMI ?
[23:12] <exobuzz> but I actually use composite out on this to a crt tv :)
[23:12] <exobuzz> no. full size
[23:12] <DF3D2> anyone? whats the benefit of say rspbmc over just using something else and putting xbmc on it
[23:13] <exobuzz> techwave61, your canon cable is a micro hdmi
[23:13] <Bozza> is the raspberrypi powerful enough to decrypt dvb-s2 ?
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[23:38] <Dragonkeeper> help ?? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4f97f344a0e39730539b
[23:38] <djazz> yay, got raspbian working on rpi2!
[23:38] <Dragonkeeper> why does my cpu cores say disabled
[23:39] <Dragonkeeper> djazz: mines a fresh install too ... can u replicate that ^^ ?
[23:39] <ShorTie> are you using the latest image ??
[23:39] <ShorTie> like from yesterday
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[23:40] <Dragonkeeper> erm ... well apt-get says no upgrade so i assume so
[23:41] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: i just flashed the .img
[23:41] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: http://i.imgur.com/ZJIW8US.jpg
[23:41] <ShorTie> not really in apt-get yet, i believe it's in rpi-update though
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[23:42] <ShorTie> or http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2015-02-02/2015-01-31-raspbian.zip
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[23:42] <Dragonkeeper> opps :P
[23:42] <ShorTie> or http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2015-02-02/2015-01-31-raspbian.zip
[23:43] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: saw my link ^^
[23:43] <djazz> ?
[23:43] <Dragonkeeper> ok i ran rpi-update and seems to be doing its thing
[23:43] <Dragonkeeper> djazz: the picture ? no sorry i missed it when i hit wrong key :(
[23:44] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: http://i.imgur.com/ZJIW8US.jpg
[23:44] <djazz> i use htop (lower left corner)
[23:44] <Dragonkeeper> yh i like htop
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[23:46] <Dragonkeeper> htop shows cores working tho
[23:46] <Dragonkeeper> on mine i mean
[23:46] <Dragonkeeper> thanks guys ill be back rpi-update wants me to reboot
[23:46] <djazz> k
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[23:48] <djazz> cant find any webkit inspector in rpi's epiphany browser :(
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[23:49] <abnormal> oh? why?
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[23:51] <Dragonkeeper> hmm same result from lshw
[23:51] <teclo-> you were right guys it's full size HDMI on the Raspberry Pi Model B. Sorry, I am tired
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[23:53] <Dragonkeeper> maybe i do need to flash another .img
[23:53] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: says disabled here too
[23:53] <Dragonkeeper> oh maybe not then ... puzzling
[23:53] <djazz> probably lshw dont support rpi fully
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[23:54] <Dragonkeeper> possibly
[23:54] <Dragonkeeper> still... vlc refuses to play videos,, will only play music
[23:55] <djazz> vlc on pi?
[23:55] <djazz> hehe
[23:55] * Dragonkeeper nods :)
[23:55] <djazz> omxplayer ;)
[23:55] <Dragonkeeper> oo ok ill test
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[23:56] <djazz> install youtube-dl and do this: omxplayer -o local $(youtube-dl -g YOUTUBE-URL-HERE)
[23:56] <djazz> to watch HD yt vids with zero lag
[23:56] <Dragonkeeper> its 0 lag because it downloads the video to /tmp 1st ;)
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[23:56] <Dragonkeeper> i have a 3tb hdd on my pi lol
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[23:57] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: it does? u sure?
[23:57] <Dragonkeeper> yup
[23:57] <`vesrah> http://pastebin.com/WL7K0pBC
[23:57] <`vesrah> can anyone tell me why wakeUp is returning None if the connection is going through
[23:57] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: doesnt do that for me
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[23:58] <Dragonkeeper> djazz it will somewhere, i use it on my other machine and even add ffmpeg to it to rip the audio off some files,
[23:59] <ShorTie> Dragonkeeper, how many kernels you got in /boot ??
[23:59] <ShorTie> kernel7.img ??

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