#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-02-04

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[0:00] <Dragonkeeper> i have kernel7.img there and kernel.img
[0:01] <ShorTie> ok, and overlays ??
[0:02] <ali1234> that command doesn't download the youtube video, it streams it
[0:02] <ali1234> -g makes it output the real streaming URL
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[0:04] <Dragonkeeper> mm mine downloads it then plays it
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[0:05] <Dragonkeeper> djazz omxplayer works :P but froze me out of my session till i killed it lol
[0:05] <djazz> yea its fullscreen, uses gpu
[0:06] <djazz> you dont need lxde ui to use it though
[0:06] <ali1234> it uses the GPU decoding so it's outside of the control of the window manager with those silly overlays
[0:06] <Dragonkeeper> cant window mode it or which tty ?
[0:06] <Dragonkeeper> switch*
[0:06] <djazz> nope
[0:06] <ali1234> it will cover anything including the console
[0:06] <djazz> its gpu
[0:06] <ali1234> you can probably tell the GPU to render into a specific sub-area of the screen
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[0:07] <djazz> yeah, it has parameters
[0:07] <ali1234> but even then it will cover everything
[0:07] <Dragonkeeper> hmm
[0:07] <djazz> if you ever tried minecraft pi, you know this
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[0:07] <Dragonkeeper> no never tried minecraft pi
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[0:08] <djazz> its preinstalled
[0:08] <Dragonkeeper> closest ive been to minecraft is minetest
[0:08] <ali1234> minetest is a fairly poor imitation imo
[0:08] <djazz> pi menu > games > mc
[0:09] <ali1234> mind you, minecraft pi is pretty cut down too isn't it?
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[0:09] <djazz> its like the pocket edition
[0:09] <Dragonkeeper> my mouse isnt working well with it :P
[0:09] <djazz> early pocket edition
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[0:10] <djazz> and you can.interface it over tcp, from python etc..
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[0:10] <Dragonkeeper> oh i see its got a window offset
[0:11] <ali1234> djazz: oh? what can you do with it?
[0:11] <Dragonkeeper> i might play with that later maybe star bound too if it will play
[0:11] <djazz> the actual mc window is just black
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[0:11] <djazz> you can listen for stuff, spawn blocks etc..
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[0:12] <blib> is there any place that is not backordered for the pi 2 in the us ?
[0:12] <Dragonkeeper> is this minecraft free ?
[0:12] <djazz> i once played 4-in-a-row that someone made
[0:12] <djazz> yes its free
[0:12] <blib> also, why is the wireless adapater = $16? Anything cheaper that will work?
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[0:12] <Dragonkeeper> forever ? djazz
[0:12] <djazz> not open source though
[0:12] <djazz> yes
[0:12] <Dragonkeeper> ah , its java right ?
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[0:12] <ShorTie> any wifi adapter that has linux drivers should work
[0:13] <djazz> c++
[0:13] <Dragonkeeper> ah cool
[0:13] <djazz> they ported the pocket eeition to the pi
[0:13] <blib> ShorTie: cool.
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[0:13] <djazz> edition*
[0:13] <ShorTie> don't think so on the backorder
[0:13] <blib> ShorTie: so everyone is back ordered?
[0:14] <ShorTie> UK like keep them all, lol.
[0:14] <Dragonkeeper> i picked up a pihut wifi for £4 but the program seems to not see the adapter after reboot ,,,
[0:14] <Dragonkeeper> wpa_gui i mean
[0:14] <ShorTie> preaty much i believe
[0:15] <djazz> i has a wifi adapter that raspbian dont see but work great in ArchLinuxARM
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[0:15] <Dragonkeeper> its in cli tho so could prob edit the config file to run it at boot when i get round to it
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[0:16] <Dragonkeeper> djazz: archarm wouldnt boot for me .. just black screen :(
[0:16] <djazz> not for rpi2 yet..
[0:17] <Dragonkeeper> i guessed but thought id try since i say a recent update
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[0:17] <djazz> they update often i guess
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[0:17] <djazz> it will come when it comes
[0:18] <djazz> they dont have any rpi2 on the team yet
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[0:18] <ShorTie> djazz, i'd guess difference in the kernel is why on the wifi
[0:19] <djazz> yeah
[0:19] <Dragonkeeper> cant you recompile kernel ?
[0:19] <djazz> on raspbian i will have to compile some driver
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[0:19] <djazz> kernel module
[0:20] <ShorTie> rpi-update has a more recent kernel normally
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[0:21] <DF3D2> man I have two different micro sd cards, and 2 SD adapters and neither one works in my laptops sd card slot? A regular full sized sd card works fine though
[0:21] <DF3D2> I dont get it
[0:21] <Dragonkeeper> stupid question , OS is on the SD card right ?
[0:21] <djazz> im not sure what i will use my rpi2 for.. maybe liquidsoap works better now when its quad
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[0:21] <Getterac7> Dragonkeeper: yes, raspi loads the OS from the SD card.
[0:21] <ShorTie> what do you mean 'don't work' ??
[0:22] <DF3D2> they dont show up in windows or linux
[0:22] <DF3D2> like they dont exist, yet they work fine in my phone
[0:22] <djazz> dmesg?
[0:22] <Dragonkeeper> im just gonna use mine for all the cli based apps and a vpn sort of thing so i can access it all when im not home and keep my irc /emails ect.. running
[0:22] <DF3D2> djazz, nada
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[0:22] <ali1234> DF3D2: probably wrong voltage
[0:22] <DF3D2> what?
[0:22] <ali1234> you need to be careful, you can blow them up that way
[0:22] <ShorTie> try sdformatter on 1
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[0:22] <DF3D2> I have no idea what you are saying
[0:22] <DF3D2> about voltage
[0:22] <ali1234> full size SD cards are 5v or 3.3v but microsd cards are 3.3v or 1.8v
[0:23] <DF3D2> im talking about the adapter
[0:23] <DF3D2> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSD-Memory-Adapter-MICROSD-ADAPTER/dp/B0047WZOOO <-- like that
[0:23] <ali1234> if you put a microsd card into a full size sd adapter and put it in a slot that only does 5v, it won't work
[0:23] <DF3D2> I know this slot has worked for them before
[0:24] <DF3D2> it's a broadcom sd card slot
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[0:24] <Dragonkeeper> ill be back... taking a pi break ;)
[0:24] <ShorTie> DF3D2, try this http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/File-Management/SDFormatter.shtml
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[0:25] <blib> is there a breadboard for the gpio pins on the pi 2?
[0:25] <DF3D2> ShorTie, i dont think thats the issue, they dont show up at all even in disk manager in windows
[0:25] <blib> http://electronics.mcmelectronics.com/ - am trying to find things here to order
[0:25] <Getterac7> ali1234: you don't know what you're talking about... SD standard has voltage negotiation built in. And voltage is based on the card transfer rate.
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[0:26] <DF3D2> yeah I thought he was full of it
[0:26] <DF3D2> since they have a "dumb" adapter to full size
[0:26] <wesm> hi, when I toggle my hdmi display off and on with the tvservice tool I just get a blank screen. Is there anything else I need to get the screen to draw again?
[0:26] <ali1234> Getterac7: nope, sorry, you're entirely wrong, i have seen ancient sd card readers kill microsd cards
[0:26] <DF3D2> both of these microsds work in my phone
[0:26] <DF3D2> it's odd tht both adapters would be dead
[0:26] <fatalhalt> hi, sorry ive been out of touch, the h264 license does not have to be purchased anymore? i just tried omxplayer it does hw decode on most recent raspian distro
[0:27] <clever> wesm: what is managing fb0 when you change it?
[0:27] <clever> fatalhalt: h264 was always bundled with the device, its mpeg2 that was optional
[0:27] <Getterac7> ali1234: maybe readers that don't conform to the spec... All cards and card readers start communication at 3.3V.
[0:28] <fatalhalt> clever: thanks
[0:28] <wesm> clever: how do i check that? i'm not running x; just a tty
[0:28] <clever> wesm: then its the console in control, type something into the keyboard and it should redraw
[0:29] <wesm> hm, doesn't seem to work
[0:29] <wesm> the monitor comes back on with the correct settings
[0:30] <clever> dont know anything else to try then
[0:30] <wesm> thanks anyway :)
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[0:32] <DF3D2> ShorTie, I guess it's the laptop port afterall
[0:32] <DF3D2> i popped the micro sd > full sd in to my wifes camera and it works lol
[0:32] <DF3D2> now im screwed to get my sd card ready for my pi 2 tomorow though
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[0:33] <kapiteined> hi all, i am looking for a way to use mutiple PI's as a workstation. On Pi as X server, one Pi as firefox server, one Pi as a Thunderbird server etc. Has anyone atempted that before ?
[0:33] <ShorTie> oh, built in reader not a usb adapter type ??
[0:33] <DF3D2> yeah
[0:33] <DF3D2> built in broadcom sd card slot
[0:33] <DF3D2> wont work with these micro sd > adapters
[0:34] <ShorTie> sounds like the driver are not installed, what does device manager say about it ??
[0:34] <DF3D2> I reinstalled the drivers
[0:34] <DF3D2> says it's functioning correctly
[0:34] <abnormal> mount it?
[0:34] <DF3D2> i know for a fact ive used this port for microsd before
[0:35] <ShorTie> can't see 2 adapters being bad though
[0:35] <DF3D2> yeah me neither
[0:35] <DF3D2> im stumped
[0:36] <ShorTie> sure you got the right driver for the slot ??
[0:36] <ShorTie> off the cd/dvd that came with the laptop ??
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[0:38] <ShorTie> i've seen where only those drivers would work right, the 1's on the cd/dvd
[0:39] <DF3D2> got it off the website
[0:39] <DF3D2> it works with a normal SD card
[0:39] <DF3D2> but not the microsd adapter
[0:40] <abnormal> that sounds fishy to me.. they both should work regardless....
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[0:42] <DF3D2> abnormal, i know man
[0:42] <DF3D2> im clueless here I was surprised as hell when it didn't work
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[0:44] <abnormal> ok look in the adapter and see if any of the pins are bent or missing... and look at the micro sd card's contacts to see if any discrepencies show...
[0:44] <DF3D2> ive used 2 adapters and 2 cards and they work in my camera/phone
[0:45] <DF3D2> so something is up with that laptop port I guess
[0:45] <abnormal> must be, try them on another computer.
[0:45] <DF3D2> dont have another sd card reader :-|
[0:45] <DF3D2> lame and my pi2 comes tomorrow this sucks
[0:46] <abnormal> do you have another pi?
[0:46] <DF3D2> nah never had one before
[0:47] <abnormal> ahh.... well that helps
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[0:47] <abnormal> you have a Walmart nearby?
[0:48] <fatalhalt> for 2d X11 environment does raspian use generic framebuffer DDX driver or xf86-video-fbturbo? i'm trying to research what available there for smoother GUI experience without wayland
[0:48] <DF3D2> abnormal, yeah idk if they even have them
[0:48] <DF3D2> walmart has very little pc stuff
[0:48] <DF3D2> there is a bestbuy near me but they gouge prices hard
[0:48] <niston> DF3D2: have you tried gently pushing the SD card adapter upwards a little? maybe its a mechanical problem with these adapters and the particular slot?
[0:48] <DF3D2> so ill likely just amazon one I guess, really didn't want to spend more money on this project
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[0:49] <DF3D2> niston, up as in towards the top of the laptop ?
[0:49] <abnormal> Walmart has them... go get one
[0:49] <niston> yup.
[0:49] <abnormal> just buy another SD card.
[0:50] <DF3D2> the sd cards work
[0:50] <DF3D2> lol
[0:51] <Getterac7> So RasPlex doesn't work with RasPi2 ... i'm crying inside a bit... :(
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[0:52] <niston> DF3D2: I have one adapter which, to have it functioning on my workstation, must not be inserted fully.
[0:52] <DF3D2> the sd card port light, lights up also
[0:52] <DF3D2> niston, yeah that didn't help, it was so tight in there you cant really move it, except back out
[0:53] <ShorTie> go get a usb sdcard reader
[0:54] <DF3D2> I am gonna
[0:54] <DF3D2> checking prices now
[0:54] <DF3D2> might just do amazon 1 day shipping
[0:55] <DF3D2> only costs $4
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[0:55] <ShorTie> i got mine from newegg with a sdcard for like a buck more
[0:55] <DF3D2> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-usb-2-0-sd-mmc-ms-memory-card-reader-black/3603008.p?id=1219092580824&skuId=3603008
[0:55] <DF3D2> is that any good?
[0:56] <DF3D2> they have that at my local store
[0:57] <ShorTie> l@@ks like it might work till you get a more economical 1, then take it back, lol.
[0:57] <DF3D2> aha
[0:57] * ShorTie bad
[0:57] <DF3D2> $15 isnt economical ?
[0:58] <niston> http://www.ebay.ch/itm/High-Speed-SD-SDHC-Memory-Card-Reader-Adapter-Writer-1-/390563575043?pt=UK_Photography_MemoryCardReaders_RL&hash=item5aef673503
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[0:59] <ShorTie> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-Mini-USB-2-0-TF-T-Flash-Micro-SD-Card-Memory-Card-Reader-Adapter-US-Stock-/360944558286?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5409f8e0ce
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[1:00] <abnormal> DF3D2, look at this: ===> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kingston-16GB-microSD-High-Capacity/22274865#Product+Reviews
[1:01] <DF3D2> abnormal, I have 32gb cards already
[1:01] <ShorTie> he needs a reader, not a sdcard
[1:01] <DF3D2> I don't have an sd card slot that will seem to work with the microsd adapter
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[1:01] <DF3D2> just going to get the bestbuy one I guess
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[1:02] <abnormal> so? you only need 8gb for crying out loud... sheesh
[1:02] <ShorTie> for a quick download, i'd still give that sdformatter a quick try
[1:02] <ShorTie> not bad to have it anyways
[1:02] <DF3D2> abnormal, I already have the 32g cards
[1:03] <DF3D2> amazon sent me a box with like 20 of them by accident once
[1:03] <DF3D2> http://www.amazon.com/eSecure-Reader-Digital-Memory-Cards/dp/B003CKC8W8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1423008125&sr=8-3&keywords=sd+card+reader
[1:03] <DF3D2> ordering that with 1 day shipping
[1:03] <abnormal> you lucky dog!!!
[1:03] <wesm> clever: if you're curious, i was able to get the fbcon to start outputting to the screen again by toggling /sys/class/vtconsole/vtcon1/bind
[1:03] <DF3D2> I like the native microsd idea
[1:03] <DF3D2> screw adapters
[1:03] <ShorTie> gotta becarefull it's not formatted exfat, that might be the problem
[1:03] <DF3D2> O_O
[1:04] <DF3D2> it might be isnt that what android does!?
[1:04] <DF3D2> nah the other one is definitely fat32, for my sandisk clip zip flac player
[1:04] <DF3D2> and that one doesnt work either
[1:04] <ShorTie> not sure, but pi has to be fat, exfat doesn't work
[1:04] <ryankara1on> so is there any regular SD card socket on the RPi2?
[1:04] <DF3D2> yeah they should work in that laptop though and they dont
[1:05] <abnormal> no, the B-2 has micro SD
[1:05] <ryankara1on> ah, bummer.
[1:05] <e^ipi> got a soldering iron?
[1:05] <ryankara1on> pretty nice though that rpi finally made a decent upgrade with RAM and CPU
[1:05] <e^ipi> easy fix
[1:06] <ryankara1on> e^ipi: i really need to practice soldering
[1:06] <ryankara1on> i am really janky
[1:06] <abnormal> look at the rpi site and make sure it is a micro SD
[1:06] <ryankara1on> i burn stuffs
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[1:06] <e^ipi> i get the shakes, i’m not the best either
[1:06] <ryankara1on> abnormal: it looks as such.
[1:06] <e^ipi> probably not related to my alcoholism, but it’s possible
[1:06] <ryankara1on> i need to get a temperature controlled one
[1:06] <e^ipi> ;)
[1:06] <ryankara1on> i have to constantly plug and unplug mine to get the right temp
[1:07] <ShorTie> really don't think changing the sdcard slot like that is a option
[1:07] <abnormal> SD cards are really cheap now, so easier to buy one than to fook up a pi
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[1:08] <ryankara1on> aye, i will accpet the microsd slot. just sad aboot it.
[1:08] <e^ipi> anything’s an option if you have a soldering iron
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[1:08] <ryankara1on> heh.
[1:08] <e^ipi> :)
[1:08] <e^ipi> just like all software is open source to a talented reverse-engineer
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[1:10] <abnormal> till you go "oops" lol
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[1:15] <ShorTie> Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant.
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[1:15] <abnormal> oh?
[1:16] <ShorTie> Frank Sinatra thing, probily before your time
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[1:17] <ShorTie> http://www.metrolyrics.com/high-hopes-lyrics-frank-sinatra.html
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[1:17] <abnormal> used to watch him.. I was here before his time, lol
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[1:17] <ShorTie> oh, sorry
[1:18] <abnormal> don't be
[1:18] <abnormal> lol
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[1:21] <abnormal> I used to watch the 3 stooges, Marx brothers, Popeye, Gunsmoke, etc... lol
[1:23] <ShorTie> good old shows
[1:24] <abnormal> yup.. killed my time nicely... lol
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[1:29] <niston> anyone seen John Wick?
[1:29] <ShorTie> Hogans Heros is still one of my all time favorits
[1:30] <abnormal> yup still watch that every nite... ;)
[1:30] <chris_99> niston, yeah, it's awesome
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[1:31] <abnormal> why? was he on fire?
[1:33] <niston> chris_99: it was not bad, but somehow made the impression on me that they (wachowskis) were trying REALLY hard to recycle "The Matrix"
[1:33] <niston> ie the fight in the rain as most prominent example
[1:34] <chris_99> oh, i didn't know it was by them
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[1:34] <niston> but otherwise its a neat action movie yeah
[1:34] <niston> awesome gunfight scenes
[1:34] <chris_99> are you sure it is? i'm just looking at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2911666/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
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[1:35] <ShorTie> most new movies are just recycles
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[1:35] <abnormal> yup
[1:36] <abnormal> boring too
[1:36] <chris_99> i watched Predestination recently
[1:36] <chris_99> that was very cool
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[1:37] <niston> I thought they wrote the script or something
[1:37] <niston> but apparently I'm mistaken
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[1:44] <willmore> niston, I was told to ask you about using I2S to talk to external codecs.
[1:45] <niston> willmore: just use a driver :)
[1:45] <willmore> I have some Analog Devices A/D and D/A chips that I could slap on a board and hook up.
[1:45] <willmore> software driver?
[1:45] <willmore> That's the part I know nothing about.
[1:45] <niston> yup
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[1:46] <willmore> Is there a howto on the driver?
[1:46] <niston> well you need one for the particular chip and the particular machine you're planning on connecting it to
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[1:47] <willmore> So there's no generic i2s "map 16 bit LR samples in i2s frames thus and so" kind of driver?
[1:47] <willmore> This is for a pi, of course.
[1:47] <niston> maybe you can adapt an existing driver
[1:47] <willmore> okay.
[1:47] <niston> ie look at the PiDAC or HiFiBerry one
[1:48] <willmore> I've seen the various audio daughtercards around. Does each of them use a different driver?
[1:48] <niston> they come with raspbian
[1:48] <niston> yep
[1:48] <willmore> Ahh, so they do. Okay.
[1:48] <willmore> Thanks.
[1:48] <willmore> That gives me somewhere to start.
[1:48] <niston> yeah¨
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[1:49] <niston> this may provide additional info: https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/BreakoutBoards/I2SBUS.pdf
[1:50] <niston> DACs usually take input in the form of "left aligned", "right aligned" (IIRC the names) or "i2s".. the DAC datasheet should give info on that.
[1:50] <willmore> niston, I'll dig up the datasheets right after I dig up the chips. They're in the basement--somewhere.
[1:51] <willmore> I found most of the rest of my old junk, they can't be far. Assuming the survived the move.
[1:52] <benighted> djazz, which country you in?
[1:52] <willmore> I got some 192x24 ADC and DAC chips for a software defined radio project about a decade back, but it fell through. But I still have the samples. :)
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[1:53] <niston> 192khz/24 bit ?
[1:53] <willmore> Yeah.
[1:53] <niston> nice
[1:53] <willmore> Not for human audio use. That would be crazy. :)
[1:53] <niston> why not?
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[1:54] <niston> the PiDAC is 384/32 :)
[1:54] <willmore> https://www.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
[1:54] <willmore> For human listening any DAC > 48x16 is crazysauce.
[1:55] <niston> slightly inferioer to 16/44.1 ???
[1:55] <willmore> For ADC, there are justifications for more bits, but not for faster sampling.
[1:55] <niston> most studio audio gear uses 192/24 by default though
[1:56] <willmore> Yeah, and it's run by someone who didn't pass basic algebra. :)
[1:56] <niston> welp. I'd disagree on that one :P
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[1:57] <willmore> Read the page at xiph and see if you can poke holes in Monty's arguement.
[1:57] <willmore> IMHO, his arguement is strong.
[1:57] <niston> Imma save the link for later reading
[1:57] <niston> but you know when it comes to audio
[1:57] <niston> things get esotheric pretty quick
[1:57] <willmore> Yeah, more expensive must be better.
[1:57] <niston> some would say any digital is crap
[1:57] <niston> and the real only truth is vynil
[1:58] <niston> argument being that digital audio misses an infinite amount of information that's present in the analogue recording.
[1:58] <willmore> I knew a guy in college who had his heard set on this $2K (USD) CD player. He was using the 'costs more, must be better' logic. It was a DJ CD player. All that extra cost was for the jog/shuttle, beat matching, etc. DJ stuff in it.
[1:59] <willmore> Add information theory to the list of things they don't understand, then. ;)
[1:59] <niston> hmm... some really expensive CD players ("the best") consist of seperate drive/transport and a dac
[1:59] <niston> and costs like 120k
[1:59] <willmore> This was '92
[1:59] <willmore> They all sucked.
[1:59] <niston> hehe audiophiles :)
[2:00] <willmore> $120K? Why? You can haz all the crazy....
[2:00] <niston> take a bunch of lamp cord, wrap it in cellophane and fiberglass, then sell it as "audiophile high definition speaker cable"
[2:00] <niston> for $599 a meter
[2:00] <willmore> Owww, is it low oxygen copper?
[2:00] <niston> nah. really just regular lamp cord.
[2:01] <niston> its a popular theme on #electronics
[2:01] <willmore> We can blame that one on NASA. They spec it for space use because *space*, not because of 'tighter base and more transparent highs'.
[2:01] <niston> hehehe
[2:01] <willmore> Like the 'directional ethernet cables'?
[2:02] <willmore> It's one of those Amazon joke review legends. $4K or so for a silly ethernet cable for use with 'high end' A/V.
[2:02] <niston> lol
[2:02] <niston> well off to make a hotdog... brb
[2:02] <willmore> good luck!
[2:02] <willmore> I'm rooting for you!
[2:02] <willmore> You can do it, niston!
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[2:03] <willmore> Noooo!!!! He electrocuted himself!!!
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[2:03] <willmore> It's alive!
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[2:08] <niston> hmm
[2:08] <ShorTie> use to have 1 of those hotdog cookers
[2:08] <niston> I think that sampling rate/bit depth during playback should ideally be the same as during recording
[2:09] <niston> otherwise resampling will kick in
[2:09] <ShorTie> it electry fried the dogs right across the 110 line
[2:09] <niston> and if the resample is crap, sound output will be crap
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[2:09] <niston> no matter the bits/sampling freq
[2:10] <niston> ya I need to get a hotdog machine someday
[2:10] <niston> making the hole in the bread with a big knife takes too long -.-
[2:10] <plugwash> willmore, main advantage of higher samplerates is you can be much less agressive in the analog filters which means much less phase distortion from the filters
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[2:20] <niston> I recall the "Kimber Black Pearl" speaker cable
[2:20] <niston> USD 35'000 per meter
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[2:20] <acidjazz> lolll
[2:20] <acidjazz> what
[2:21] <niston> basically OFC cable wrapped inside a hose filled with tiny lead balls
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[2:22] <acidjazz> Hey call me stupid, call me a total and complete idiot like my Wife did . and I will simply smile and say Ok , yes I did ) . I bought cable ( yes little strands of copper and silver . Oh and yes i paid more for them than I did for my new car , more than I paid for my wifes visit to the hospital when she had my first child . Yes I did . and you know what . I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT
[2:23] <niston> hey.. it's YOUR money :P
[2:23] <acidjazz> LOLL http://www.highendpalace.com/CABLES.htm
[2:23] <acidjazz> wow
[2:23] <acidjazz> 60lbs 11feet
[2:23] <acidjazz> total tranfromation in information accuracy
[2:23] <acidjazz> how is that english
[2:24] <acidjazz> lol were all missing out on 50% refinement of our systems
[2:24] <niston> " proprietary air/spiral teflon insulation to reduce noise and increase propagation speed"
[2:24] <niston> right.
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[2:25] <acidjazz> 90% of cost went to copywriting
[2:25] <acidjazz> thats a team of 30 digging through long BS words for days
[2:25] <niston> hahah xD
[2:25] <niston> don't forget the review videos
[2:26] <acidjazz> no youtube results
[2:26] <niston> you're gonna need a freak looking old dude with glasses and a big house that will swear to ppl your cable is the foo shizzle
[2:27] <acidjazz> http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-Terminated-Speaker-Cable-Discontinued/product-reviews/B000J36XR2/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
[2:27] <niston> and how it opens "new dimensions" in hearing etc etc blah blah
[2:27] <acidjazz> these are 13k
[2:27] <[Saint]> acidjazz: you know of Patrick82?
[2:27] <[Saint]> if not, http://www.coconut-audio.com/
[2:27] <[Saint]> ...have "fun".
[2:27] <[Saint]> Dude's quite literally bat-crap crazy.
[2:27] <acidjazz> whats this
[2:27] <niston> [Saint]: but apparently, ppl are buying into it
[2:28] <acidjazz> loll
[2:28] <[Saint]> Audiophiles always have more money than sense.
[2:28] <[Saint]> people buying into it is no matric on the sanity of the idea.
[2:28] <acidjazz> what is this
[2:28] <niston> nope. but it's a metric of the seller's bank account
[2:28] <acidjazz> vibradome?
[2:28] <[Saint]> Hell, people listen to 24bit audio "HD" audio. That's demonstrable insanity right there.
[2:29] <acidjazz> detail blackness liquidity air lol
[2:29] <niston> [Saint]: especially when the "HD" audio comes out of a PC motherboard :P
[2:29] <acidjazz> [Saint]: is it like wax balls or somethign?
[2:29] <[Saint]> Play count the adjectives.
[2:29] <[Saint]> acidjazz: there's a whole catalogue of craziness.
[2:29] <willmore> plugwash, that made sense back in the day, but when you're using a delta-sigma DAC, that's not a valid arguement.
[2:30] <[Saint]> that's just a single featured product.
[2:30] <acidjazz> loll theyre stones?
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[2:30] <[Saint]> Yep.
[2:30] <niston> magic stones
[2:30] <[Saint]> Have a look around the site. There's $100K+ cables.
[2:30] <acidjazz> loll http://www.coconut-audio.com/images2/350x350/VibraDomeExample.png
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[2:31] <[Saint]> The whole site reminds me of this:
[2:31] <[Saint]> http://imgur.com/r/thesimpsons/gWK6Hpd
[2:31] <niston> VibraDome.. sounds like... an adult's toy :P
[2:32] <[Saint]> He takes other vendor's ridiculous cables, butchers them, stathers them in some sparkly crap that looks like play doh, and then sells them for $100K+
[2:32] <[Saint]> ...and people buy it.
[2:32] <[Saint]> *slathers
[2:33] <acidjazz> [Saint]: where are the 100k+
[2:33] <[Saint]> He's moved his site around, I'm having a hard time finding them, I might have to go back to wayback machine to find the true insanity.
[2:34] <exobuzz> how do i delete what I just read on that site from my brain
[2:34] <[Saint]> hahahahaha
[2:34] <acidjazz> http://www.coconut-audio.com/comparison.html loll
[2:34] <niston> "Stradivari HP-C3 high purity cryo copper"
[2:34] <niston> aha
[2:35] <niston> comes with a tank of liquid nitrogen, I suppose?
[2:35] <willmore> Once you leave science behind, it's a slippery slope to crazy town.
[2:35] * willmore has a 10L dewer...
[2:35] <willmore> I miss college. LN2 was, like $0.42 USD/L
[2:35] <acidjazz> is htis real http://iloapp.coconut-audio.com/data/_gallery/public/21/138889126816517500_resized.jpg
[2:35] <willmore> 10L of LN2 and that's a fun weekend!
[2:35] * exobuzz builds armv7 optimised binaries that he can't run on his pi :/
[2:36] <niston> acidjazz: nice find haha
[2:36] <willmore> exobuzz, waaa?
[2:36] <willmore> acidjazz, what did I just see?
[2:36] <acidjazz> oh y god
[2:36] <acidjazz> http://iloapp.coconut-audio.com/data/_gallery/public/3/140646736182021900_resized.jpg
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[2:37] <[Saint]> He only listens to techno.
[2:37] <[Saint]> Naturally.
[2:37] <niston> lol. a powered tree?
[2:37] <[Saint]> His youtube account is a goldmine.
[2:37] <exobuzz> willmore, just building some emulators for others to test to see if optimising for armv7 / neon makes a noticable difference... not fair I can't run them though...
[2:37] <[Saint]> As well as all his (long since banned) Hydrogen Audio accounts.
[2:37] <exobuzz> since I don't have a pi 2
[2:38] <exobuzz> and complaining on irc for no reason.
[2:38] <willmore> exobuzz, ahh, okay. Reminds me of designing GSM base stations in the mid-90's while living in the USA. No GSM. :(
[2:39] <exobuzz> did they work ? :)
[2:39] <acidjazz> lord
[2:39] <acidjazz> http://iloapp.coconut-audio.com/data/_gallery/public/1/136987835039231700_resized.jpg?width=2282&height=2133
[2:39] <acidjazz> it looks like frosting
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[2:40] <willmore> Are those sprinkles?
[2:40] <[Saint]> I'm trying to find the quote, my favorite one was where he said that he removed all the insulation from the wiring in his house because it was causing interference with his audio system, and now he has to ninja around bare air wiring at 220V to avoid being electrocuted.
[2:40] <[Saint]> ...but it sounds awesome!
[2:40] <niston> LOL
[2:40] <abnormal> that's a neat cable...
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[2:41] <exobuzz> is he dipping all his plugs in choc chip icecream or something ?
[2:41] <abnormal> yup
[2:41] <[Saint]> "Originally Posted by Patrick82
[2:41] <[Saint]> Screws should never be tight because it transfers vibrations to the power cords easier. I don't use screws, I have the AC outlet taped to the wall instead."
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[2:41] <acidjazz> if he is i want to give him thousands of dollars
[2:41] <willmore> Mint chocolate chip, I think.
[2:41] <acidjazz> [Saint]: where is that
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[2:41] <niston> makes me think who's more crazy
[2:42] <niston> the one who cons millions out of idiot's hands
[2:42] <exobuzz> i like those really expensive kettle leads..
[2:42] <niston> or the one complaining about him :P
[2:42] <[Saint]> acidjazz: Before I give this to you, I'm warning you...you may not come out of this rabbit hole sane:
[2:42] <[Saint]> http://www.head-fi.org/t/210323/famous-quotes-by-patrick82
[2:42] <acidjazz> oh hes on headfi
[2:42] <willmore> All I wanted to know is how to get the pi to talk to an I2S codec...
[2:42] <niston> hahaha xD
[2:42] <[Saint]> acidjazz: was.
[2:42] <acidjazz> loll
[2:42] <[Saint]> banned repeatedly.
[2:43] <[Saint]> I consider myself an audiophile, but its that type of nonsense that gives the term a bad name.
[2:43] * willmore though the term *was* a bad name.
[2:43] <[Saint]> I limit my audiophiledness to the realms of sanity and peer reviewed data, though.
[2:44] <willmore> hear, hear.
[2:44] <benighted> holy, absorbed shipping costs on the RP2, at least on newark..
[2:45] <willmore> benighted, 50% markup?
[2:45] <willmore> Newark has always been shipping heavy.
[2:45] <niston> [Saint]: "Even bare air dielectric AC wiring in the apartment would be safe for me, I can dodge it by rolling under and jumping over and stuff," [...]
[2:46] <niston> ninja!
[2:46] <benighted> willmore, exactly... 35 for the board 20 for shipping
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[2:46] <exobuzz> well, usually it's the uk that get punished.. when something is $35 (like odroid c1), which translates to £34 and then shipping on top :/
[2:46] <exobuzz> or hd prices
[2:46] <exobuzz> or apple hardware
[2:47] <willmore> benighted, that's why I'm paitiently waiting for free shipping from newegg. :)
[2:47] <benighted> willmore, they are listing it?
[2:47] <willmore> benighted, probably not, that's why I'm being patient. :)
[2:47] <willmore> I'll get one this summer, probably.
[2:48] <willmore> The C1 shipping was only $9 when I looked. That's not bad. It's from China and will take a month, probably.
[2:48] <benighted> considering I have a few B+'s I bought last year like a sucker... probably won't pick one of these up. Going for a Banana Pi M2 with free shipping and DDR3
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[2:48] <exobuzz> i bought a b+ a few weeks back. damnit
[2:48] <[Saint]> niston: in case there was some doubt as to the sanity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Pvnrs4_-8
[2:48] <[Saint]> (and, yes, he's serious)
[2:49] <willmore> benighted, you'll survive. :)
[2:49] <benighted> they should make a trade in program and gift the used pi's to schools
[2:49] <[Saint]> I don't like to knock another human being this much, but...c'mon!
[2:49] <willmore> I think I need to pull the trigger on that C1.
[2:49] <willmore> benighted, use some of that mad Google money.
[2:49] <exobuzz> i doubt anyone will want my 256mb pi now.
[2:50] <[Saint]> exobuzz: give it to a school.
[2:50] <benighted> yer killin the rainforest Jenn!!!
[2:50] <niston> MEGA cable?
[2:50] <exobuzz> [Saint], good idea.
[2:50] <niston> KimDotCom will probably sue him to oblivion :P
[2:50] * le_kiely is now known as kiely
[2:51] <niston> but hey the bathtub thing reminds me of Uriella
[2:54] <Dragonkeeper> does the program gimp run alright on r-pi ?
[2:55] <utack_> [Saint] why did you make me read patrick quotes
[2:55] <[Saint]> I didn't make anyone do anything! :))
[2:56] <utack_> time for einstein: http://randumbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Two-things-are-infinite.-The-Universe-and-human-stupidity...-and-Im-not-so-sure-about-the-universe..jpg
[2:56] <utack_> (no idea if that one is legit)
[2:57] <utack_> man i should also run a ripoff company..
[2:57] <acidjazz> def fake
[2:57] <acidjazz> i love all the NDT fakes
[2:58] <utack_> lol i would like to start quoting from the quotes now but this would go wildly OT
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[3:02] <exobuzz> "99% of quotes are fake" / utack_
[3:02] <utack_> yeah lol
[3:02] <exobuzz> :)
[3:02] <utack_> the reamining 1% contain enough stupidity for one human being still
[3:03] <Dragonkeeper> ahh awesome .. wacom drivers work otb
[3:03] <utack_> whack 'em drivers?
[3:04] <Dragonkeeper> they make tablets
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[3:05] <utack_> yeah i know. i don't feel the need to usethese, but i have seen them
[3:06] <Dragonkeeper> nice for drawing with , didnt expect it to work 1st try tho
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[3:16] <Mahjongg> hello, plugged in an external hdd via usb to rpi... in syslog I get continuous entries such as: Feb 3 21:16:07 pi kernel: [1492270.954544] usb 1-1.2: new high-speed USB device number 106 using dwc_otg
[3:16] <Mahjongg> it goes on and on, what may be the problem?
[3:16] <Mahjongg> device number increases
[3:17] <[Saint]> What model raspi? What are the specs of the power supply?
[3:17] <[Saint]> Is the HDD externally powered?
[3:18] <Mahjongg> [Saint], yes externally powered
[3:18] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
[3:18] <Mahjongg> raspi is model 512K ram
[3:18] <Mahjongg> B I guess
[3:18] <[Saint]> MB, I would hope. :)
[3:18] <Mahjongg> :) or that
[3:19] <Mahjongg> rebooted
[3:19] <Mahjongg> didn't solve anything
[3:20] <skyroveRR> Show us the complete dmesg output, Mahjongg
[3:20] <skyroveRR> Paste it somewhere.
[3:20] <skyroveRR> But here.
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[3:21] <willmore> not here, that is.
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[3:23] <Mahjongg> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3a9ce05259a474b87b26
[3:24] <[Saint]> hooo boy...
[3:24] <blib> did anyone buy the pi 2 kit ?
[3:24] <simiuskong> @blib I tried but they ran out
[3:25] <ozzzy> I ordered 2
[3:25] <simiuskong> blib: Oops, this isn't the Twitters
[3:25] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: tried all the USB ports on the pi?
[3:25] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, nope, only the upper one
[3:25] <skyroveRR> Try the other ones. See what happens.
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[3:26] <Mahjongg> ok
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[3:27] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, nothing changed
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[3:28] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: paste the output of lsmod.
[3:28] <niston> Mahjongg: you sure the power supply of the HD is working?
[3:28] <simiuskong> I want to know if the USBs and the network are still through the same bus on Raspberry Pi 2
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[3:28] <Mahjongg> niston, just connected to another pc
[3:28] <niston> simiuskong: yes they are
[3:29] <simiuskong> Bummmmmmer
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[3:29] <[Saint]> th eonly thing that differs is the CPU cores and the RAM package.
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[3:29] <[Saint]> literally everything else is the same.
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[3:30] <Mahjongg> should I run rpi-update or something?
[3:30] <simiuskong> I was thinking of a project of using rbpi as Spark nodes
[3:30] <Mahjongg> getting lsmod
[3:31] <simiuskong> But network I/O and datasets not on the sd card would suck
[3:31] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: no, just run the lsmod command and paste the output.
[3:34] <blib> simiuskong: ozzzy: where did you order from?
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[3:34] <ozzzy> element14
[3:35] <simiuskong> blib: I tried from Adafruit / Element 14 but they are sold out already
[3:35] <Mahjongg> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c1289a36bb6551585ff4
[3:35] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, ^
[3:36] <blib> simiuskong: does adafruit have an ETA for new pi 2s?
[3:36] <[Saint]> RS had a bunch last night.
[3:36] <simiuskong> blib: No, but I signed up for the notifications from both sites
[3:37] <blib> RS = uk, right?
[3:37] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: run this: modprobe usb; modprobe usb-storage, and then reconnect the hard drive and run dmesg again.
[3:37] <[Saint]> blib: and AU, and NZ.
[3:38] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, FATAL: Module usb not found.
[3:38] <skyroveRR> Ok, how about usb-storaeg?
[3:39] <skyroveRR> * usb-storage
[3:39] <Mahjongg> that loaded
[3:39] <skyroveRR> Ok now put the drive in.
[3:39] <Mahjongg> I'll reboot just a sec
[3:39] <skyroveRR> No
[3:39] <skyroveRR> Don't reboot.
[3:39] <skyroveRR> That won't help.
[3:39] <Mahjongg> right, reboot wouldn't do
[3:39] <Mahjongg> jus ta sec
[3:39] <skyroveRR> This is linux, not windoves.
[3:40] <Mahjongg> I know this is why I use it, but the rpi is upstairs :)
[3:41] <Mahjongg> usb-storage did not help
[3:41] <skyroveRR> lsmod the output again.
[3:42] <Mahjongg> lsmod | grep usb is null
[3:42] <Mahjongg> didn't get any errors though
[3:42] <Mahjongg> I'll retry
[3:42] <skyroveRR> Which hard disk model is it?
[3:43] <Mahjongg> 250G ide disk
[3:43] <Mahjongg> 3.5 inches
[3:44] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: you using those cheap external USB casings and connecting the IDE drives to it?
[3:44] <Mahjongg> yes?
[3:44] <skyroveRR> OH!
[3:44] <skyroveRR> Hence.
[3:45] <Mahjongg> o_O
[3:45] <skyroveRR> You'll need to compile the specific kernel module for that.
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[3:45] * ozzzy plans to put win10 on the pi 2s
[3:45] <skyroveRR> Some ata kernel module.
[3:46] <Mahjongg> my laptop addresses it as sdb
[3:46] <niston> ozzzy: I was told it will be a command line version of windows (IoT)
[3:46] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: the kernel does detect your disk, but it can't detect which *type* of disk it is.
[3:46] <ozzzy> nope.... regular old windows looking windows
[3:46] <niston> that's not what shiftplusone said :P
[3:46] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: try differentiating between the lsmod output of your pi and the lsmod output of your laptop.
[3:46] * ozzzy wonders what a 'command line' windows would look like....
[3:47] <niston> similar to windows server core
[3:47] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: you'll know the difference :)
[3:47] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, just a sec
[3:47] <niston> no GUI
[3:47] <niston> but windows with no GUI? why not just use Linux? oO
[3:48] <niston> http://syrewiczeit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/server-core-setup-sconfig.png
[3:48] <niston> ^^
[3:48] <ozzzy> according to the MS guys I talk to differ
[3:48] <Mahjongg> laptop lsmod | grep usb returns usb_storage 49198 1 used by ums_cypress and btusb
[3:48] <Mahjongg> I guess that is related to bluetooth
[3:48] <Mahjongg> |grep ata is null
[3:48] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: is the hard drive in?
[3:48] <Mahjongg> oops, no :)
[3:49] <skyroveRR> -.-
[3:49] <skyroveRR> PUT IN THE HARD DRIVE.
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[3:49] <niston> http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-windows-10-for-iot-what-to-expect/
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[3:51] <ozzzy> yep... I've read that
[3:51] <niston> did you sign up?
[3:51] <niston> with MS?
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[3:52] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, lsmod output changes very little when the disk is attached
[3:52] <ozzzy> nope... my partner did
[3:52] <ozzzy> he's doing all the win10 testing and scoping out
[3:53] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: yes, and I wanna know that 'little' difference.
[3:53] <ozzzy> when it goes gold I'll install it on this machine
[3:53] <Mahjongg> 1->2 in usb_storage 49198 1 ums_cypress
[3:53] <Mahjongg> Used bit goes from 1 to 2
[3:53] <Mahjongg> can it be ums_cypress
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[3:54] <nerdboy> got some assorted sensor code on github... (from AMS weatherfest booth demo)
[3:55] <blib> ozzzy: why not debian? what does win 10 buy?
[3:55] <ozzzy> blib, hopefully the ability to run hardware with win drivers
[3:55] <plugwash> LOL
[3:55] <nerdboy> fixed version of RPi.GPIO so it handles sht1x funky protocol
[3:56] <plugwash> seriously expect driver support on any arm port of windows to be awful
[3:56] <ozzzy> we'll see
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[3:56] <ozzzy> it's only 35 bux.... if nothing else it can be a media centre
[3:56] <plugwash> because unlike with linux where most drivers come with the kernel on windows most drivers come from hardware vendors
[3:57] <ozzzy> plugwash, that's fine
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[3:57] <nerdboy> i stopped touching it on x86, why would i touch it on embedded?
[3:57] <plugwash> and I don't think those hardware vendors will be rushing to port them to microsoft's latest gimmik
[3:57] <ozzzy> more than likely
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[3:57] * nerdboy doesn't remember windoze vendor drivers being that great...
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[3:58] <ozzzy> if the pi2 can't replace the current minicomputer then it can be a media centre
[3:58] <ozzzy> nerdboy, easier than trying to do astronomy with linux
[3:59] <ozzzy> there's like one post-processing application, no guiding applications that are useful and the camera support is spottier than a hyena
[3:59] <acidjazz> where are my pi2's
[3:59] <acidjazz> i orderd them yesterday
[3:59] <acidjazz> i want them now
[3:59] <ozzzy> patience grasshopper
[3:59] <blib> has any benchmarked the odroid c1 with the pi 2?
[3:59] <nerdboy> nope, not going back...
[4:00] <nerdboy> i'd build a beaglebone camera controller first
[4:00] <acidjazz> whesn element14 shipping em
[4:00] <niston> minicomputer?
[4:00] <acidjazz> blib: c1 is gonna still have a faster cpu
[4:00] <acidjazz> blib: but who knows
[4:00] <ozzzy> I spent 14 years fighting with linux and having to boot up a VM with windows on it to get anything done.... that's just counterproductive
[4:00] <niston> PDP11?
[4:00] <niston> VAX?
[4:00] <nerdboy> with a nice fpga cape maybe...
[4:00] <acidjazz> ozzzy: learning experience?
[4:01] * nerdboy spent years since ditching windoze happy, learning, and productive
[4:01] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org/images/minitoga.jpg
[4:01] <ozzzy> nerdboy, linux is great... there just aren't any apps to do astrophotography
[4:01] <nerdboy> i have to ditch company/govt box to get anything done
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[4:02] <ozzzy> so instead of running linux and booting up a slow vm every time I wanted to do something with the scope/camera/mount/data.... I just went to Window 8.1
[4:02] * nerdboy will stop by the linux astronomy booth at SCaLE and tell them to stop
[4:03] <ozzzy> nerdboy, hell no... tell them to hurry up and get into the 21st century (ie dump INDI and write something ASCOM compatible)
[4:03] <nerdboy> i have no idea what they use...
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[4:04] <nerdboy> think last year they did have a pi or beaglebone or something...
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[4:05] <ozzzy> yeah... I tried a pi on the telescope... just as a USB over IP thing.... it sorta worked but the datarate was much too slow to handle the camera
[4:06] <ozzzy> the minicomputer runs on 12V (which is what powers everything) and runs all the software and connects to all the hardware....but a pi-sized box would be much nicer =)
[4:06] <nerdboy> you'd want a real interface board for that i assume
[4:06] <ozzzy> most of it connects to USB
[4:07] <ozzzy> camera, mount, most of my DIY stuff... all USB
[4:07] <nerdboy> with interface and hardware video support that would work...
[4:07] <ozzzy> video doesn't help
[4:07] <ozzzy> my exposures run 5 - 15 minutes
[4:07] <nerdboy> image manipulation
[4:08] <ozzzy> there's a very good image manipulation application that runs on Linux.... but it's too damned expensive
[4:08] <nerdboy> no, in the hardware
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[4:08] <nerdboy> weston already uses video scaler hardware
[4:09] <ozzzy> I don't see how that would be used
[4:10] <nerdboy> api calls
[4:11] <ozzzy> anyway... we'll see how the Pi2 goes =)
[4:11] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: before inserting the drive on your laptop: lsmod > 1 , then insert the drive, then again run lsmod > 2; diff 1 2, that will show you the differences.
[4:11] <ozzzy> I hear that there's android in the offing too LOL
[4:11] <ozzzy> ttfn
[4:12] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, which is what I did
[4:12] <Mahjongg> 1->2 that's all diff
[4:12] <skyroveRR> You sure the drive was in there when you ran lsmod?
[4:13] <Mahjongg> yes
[4:14] <skyroveRR> IDK then...
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[4:15] <Mahjongg> skyroveRR, thanks
[4:16] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: I guess you could find out which modules have been built using the /proc/config.gz on both the systems...
[4:17] <skyroveRR> zcat /proc/config.gz > <file> and then the diff command.
[4:18] <skyroveRR> Mahjongg: btw, which distro is it on your laptop?
[4:18] <Mahjongg> elementary OS
[4:18] <Mahjongg> kind of UBUNTU 12.04 LTS
[4:23] <[Saint]> Whoever said Android is coming to the raspi 2?
[4:24] <[Saint]> That's ummm...well, yeah.
[4:25] <niston> unlikely?
[4:25] <[Saint]> extremely.
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[4:25] <[Saint]> it has the exact same limitation the original pi has.
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[4:26] <[Saint]> get the GPU playing nice, and, then we'll talk Android.
[4:26] <niston> the videocore
[4:26] <[Saint]> Until then, pfffffffffffffft!
[4:26] <niston> well
[4:26] <niston> you could use the additional CPU power to speed up software rendering :>
[4:26] <niston> so instead of absolutely unusable it will be only extremely unpleasant
[4:26] <[Saint]> it'll still run like a bag of crap.
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[4:26] <[Saint]> heh, yeah, precisely.
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[4:29] <[Saint]> RPF screwed up bad by suggesting it was a possibility, and, they know it, too.
[4:29] <[Saint]> Unfortunately, one can't go back in time.
[4:29] <niston> apropos time... tea time!
[4:30] <[Saint]> Broadcomm got a very highly usable accellerated Android running years ago.
[4:30] <[Saint]> We're not gonna see it, though.
[4:30] <[Saint]> Not unless there's some form of "accidental" internal leak.
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[4:33] <niston> some bitcoin millionaire should just buy it from them
[4:34] <niston> and release it to the public and call it charity.
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[4:51] <Mr_Sheesh> Has anyone seen a US site selling RPi A+ models yet?
[4:52] <niston> is the A+ even out yet?
[4:52] <abnormal> yes, www.newark.com
[4:52] <[Saint]> niston: for ages
[4:53] <niston> ah
[4:53] <abnormal> or element14
[4:53] * niston living behind a stone
[4:53] <abnormal> lol
[4:53] <niston> its warm and mouldy tehre
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[4:53] <abnormal> I bet
[4:54] <abnormal> that's where you get elec to power the pi with
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[4:57] <Mr_Sheesh> OK, $20, thats not too bad
[4:57] <niston> yup
[4:57] <niston> its called "the power of rock"
[4:59] <acidjazz> A+ ?
[4:59] <acidjazz> that exists?
[4:59] <[Saint]> Google?
[4:59] <[Saint]> (pssst: its a thing)
[5:00] <acidjazz> 256mb ram BM2835
[5:00] <acidjazz> hmm
[5:00] <Mr_Sheesh> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-moda-256m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-a-256mb/dp/93X7446 "awaiting delivery"
[5:00] <acidjazz> they dont have stock?
[5:00] <Mr_Sheesh> doable for an rtlsdr rf sniffer maybe tho
[5:01] <acidjazz> Mr_Sheesh: you wanna SDR?
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[5:01] <acidjazz> id do a pi 2 w/ a NooElec
[5:01] <[Saint]> acidjazz: its exactly the same as the other model A
[5:01] <[Saint]> just a tiny (cute) form factor.
[5:01] <Mr_Sheesh> Yep, its on the list of too much longness :P I have 4 B's
[5:01] <acidjazz> Mr_Sheesh: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009U7WZCA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[5:01] <Mr_Sheesh> but don't really need ethernet for a car rf device
[5:02] <acidjazz> whats htis gonna do?
[5:02] <acidjazz> war drive SDR?
[5:02] <[Saint]> Honestly, IMO, the only reason to get a model A is if you need to cram it in a tiny height profile.
[5:02] <[Saint]> May as well spend the money and get the B so it easily adapts to other projects.
[5:03] <Mr_Sheesh> I'm trying to keep power usage lowish. I already have 2 receiver modules'
[5:03] <[Saint]> The power consumption is already so low its ridiculous.
[5:03] <[Saint]> Its sub 4W for the B variants.
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[5:04] <[Saint]> ANd if its in-car, who cares anyway?
[5:04] <[Saint]> Your alternator and accessory rail sure don't.
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[5:06] <niston> shouldn't leave it running indefinitely though
[5:06] <[Saint]> see: accessory rail
[5:06] <[Saint]> that's what its for. :)
[5:06] <niston> isn't that where the cig lighter is connected to?
[5:07] <[Saint]> that differs per-vehicle. some have them always on, because they can't possibly suffer from 'vampire power'.
[5:07] <[Saint]> they're self limiting in that regard.
[5:07] <niston> mine does
[5:08] <niston> always on
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[5:12] <plugwash> The tricky bit with computers is if you just put them on a switched feed from the ignition then you will get lots of unclean shutdowns
[5:13] <plugwash> so if you want to avoid unclean shutdowns you need to add a circuit to trigger a clean shutdown, then cut the power afterwards
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[5:17] <Encapsulation> is it worth getting the rpi2 (if it meant paying to ship back your new rpi 1? what's the verdict
[5:18] <Encapsulation> use is an embedded project using very low ram + cpu, reason for even considering is the principle of same price for 6x performance future ready
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[5:18] <niston> why sebd the Pi1 back?
[5:18] <niston> send/
[5:19] <Encapsulation> to spend the money on the pi2 instead which would be faster for the same price
[5:20] <Encapsulation> or slightly more if I include cost to ship pi1 back, it arrived yesterday
[5:20] <niston> just keep it
[5:20] <niston> in the near future, you'll have an idea for a nice little side project
[5:20] <niston> it'll come in handy
[5:21] <[Saint]> He's not meaning he'll end up with both, if I parse it correctly.
[5:21] <[Saint]> Its send one back, to get the other.
[5:21] <niston> but he should
[5:21] <[Saint]> huh?
[5:21] <Encapsulation> [Saint], right
[5:21] <[Saint]> re-read niston.
[5:22] <niston> why? lack the additional $35 ?
[5:22] <Encapsulation> at the moment yeah
[5:22] <Encapsulation> classes cost a lot this semester
[5:22] <Encapsulation> w/ books etc
[5:22] <niston> well
[5:22] <niston> sorry then
[5:22] <niston> I was just trying to boost sales :P
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[5:23] <[Saint]> Encapsulation: I hoestly don't think you'd see any real benefit based on your use case.
[5:23] <[Saint]> *honestly
[5:24] <Encapsulation> [Saint], That's what I was wondering. And also if there were any other compelling reasons to go for the pi2 vs the pi1
[5:24] <[Saint]> If you're not going to be utilizing what the raspi offers, you're just going to be not using what the raspi 2 offers by a factor of at least 2~6. ;)
[5:24] <Encapsulation> Some people were saying it might actually be safer to stick with pi1 for a bit while pi2 is tested. I'm not sure if there is truth to that or not
[5:24] <[Saint]> Well, that's my view anyway.
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[5:25] <[Saint]> I don't think there's really much _to_ test.
[5:25] <Encapsulation> I won't be running x or anything just using the pi headless to run c++ code and maybe host a webserver on my wifi
[5:25] <Encapsulation> locally
[5:26] <Encapsulation> just switching gpio pins and reading from sensors
[5:26] <[Saint]> The only thing that differs is the CPU cores and RAM package, and, its not like RPF haven't been testing this device extensively behind the scenes anyway.
[5:26] <[Saint]> If they didn't think it was ready, we wouldn;t even know about it.
[5:26] <Encapsulation> that's a good point
[5:27] <[Saint]> If all you're doing is poking some GPIOs and reading some sensor data, the original raspi will do you fine I would posit.
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[5:27] <[Saint]> That's precisely what they're intended for.
[5:27] <[Saint]> (well, among other things)
[5:28] <[Saint]> Neither of those two things are particularly CPU or RAM intensive.
[5:28] <Encapsulation> it would be nice to get back to work tinkering and coding instead of waiting for shipping
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[5:28] <[Saint]> And if you're not running a graphical interface, 512MB is more than adequate.
[5:29] <[Saint]> 256MB would likely even be plenty for your stated application.
[5:29] <Encapsulation> yeah no gui just console applications and maybe a websserver front end
[5:29] <Encapsulation> webiopi
[5:30] <niston> ya, my radio has >400MB free while running
[5:30] <[Saint]> Whereabouts are you, like, geographically? Whenever people mention paying for education (that isn't higher learning/university/polytechnic) it makes me die a little inside.
[5:30] <Encapsulation> and the single core processor would be enough?
[5:30] <Encapsulation> im in the usa
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[5:30] <[Saint]> Why am I not surprised. Heh. :)
[5:30] <Encapsulation> my classes are ~700 each
[5:30] <Encapsulation> plus books
[5:30] <Encapsulation> this is just for a 2 year tech
[5:31] <[Saint]> Gah. I'd better drop the subject, else I'll start ranting. :)
[5:32] <[Saint]> It makes precisely zero sense for your citizens to have to pay for the betterment of themselves, and in turn, their nation.
[5:32] <[Saint]> But I'm sure I don't have to tell you that.
[5:32] <[Saint]> I feel exceedingly lucky.
[5:33] <[Saint]> Come to New Zealand, we'll edumacteify y'all for free!
[5:33] <Encapsulation> I agree
[5:33] <[Saint]> (no, like, really)
[5:33] <Encapsulation> my brother studied abroad there for a bit and loved it
[5:33] <[Saint]> I'll bet.
[5:34] <[Saint]> It would have been worlds apart.
[5:34] <Encapsulation> his school was 30,000 per year
[5:34] <Encapsulation> lol
[5:34] <simiuskong> [Saint]: You guys and your 0 interest loans
[5:34] <Encapsulation> painful
[5:34] <[Saint]> simiuskong: I'm old enough to have not benefited from that, but, yeah - its great.
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[5:34] <[Saint]> I got my interest written off about 2 weeks before my last payment. :-/
[5:34] <[Saint]> I worked my proverbial bum off to pay back my student load.
[5:35] <[Saint]> <shakes fist>
[5:35] <[Saint]> *s/load/loan/
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[5:36] <[Saint]> When I began higher education, the zero interest scheme nor the zero fees scheme were a thing.
[5:36] <[Saint]> The latter is great. Pass? No pay.
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[5:36] <[Saint]> Fail? Its on you - pay for it.
[5:36] <[Saint]> (at zero interest, though)
[5:37] <simiuskong> Yeah, it's no secret that unis in the USA will pop
[5:37] <simiuskong> Not to say that the education isn't amazing
[5:37] <plugwash> <[Saint]> Come to New Zealand, we'll edumacteify y'all for free! <--really?
[5:37] <[Saint]> really really.
[5:38] <plugwash> I find that highly unlikely, if it were true students from all over the world would be flocking to NZ
[5:38] <Encapsulation> lol
[5:40] <plugwash> many countries have free or subsidised university education but they usually restrict it to their own citizens or at least people who have been resident for a while
[5:40] <[Saint]> In the zero-fee scheme unis, we pay for consumables, and that's it.
[5:40] <[Saint]> and it is open to transfer and non-residents.
[5:41] <[Saint]> there's a minimum passing grade to qualify for the 'zero' fees, though. You can't just repeatedly bomd courses for free and keep trying.
[5:41] <[Saint]> *bomb
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[5:43] <[Saint]> Off the top of my head, there's SIT, Otago Polytechnic, Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology (represent!), and a few other satellite providers.
[5:45] <[Saint]> But, its not like NZ can provide infinite placings for higher education.
[5:45] <[Saint]> we're only 'lil.
[5:45] <plugwash> So what happens? do very few people know about this? are the entry requirements very high? is it essentially a lottery
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[5:48] <[Saint]> There's, unfortunately, a bit of a racket with placing overseas students into the satellite providers that's starting to ruin it for everyone. But, there's a rough outline of the minimum requirements on SIT's page IIRC. Sec.
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[5:48] <[Saint]> aha, https://www.sit.ac.nz/Fees-Enrolments/International-Students-Applications
[5:49] <[Saint]> and, there has to be room for the placing, of course.
[5:49] <[Saint]> other than that, there's really no catches.
[5:49] <Encapsulation> doesn't look too bad
[5:50] <Encapsulation> free education
[5:50] <Encapsulation> I like that sound of that
[5:50] <Encapsulation> this paying thousands of dollars thing sucks
[5:50] <[Saint]> We have free (absolutely, no catches, no workarounds) healthcare too. :)
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[5:50] <Encapsulation> I'll take it
[5:50] <Encapsulation> i HAVE A 1000 dollar deductable for medical tests
[5:51] <[Saint]> The downside is, ...you get stuck at what is essentially the bottom of the world, in almost complete isolation, with Australia as the nearest neighbor. :p
[5:51] <[Saint]> I mean, its beautiful here, but, it really is tiny.
[5:51] <Encapsulation> is it summer there
[5:52] <[Saint]> It is. All 27C of it, presently (that's deathly hot for me)
[5:52] <Encapsulation> -19c here
[5:52] <[Saint]> eeek.
[5:52] <Encapsulation> 1 meter of snow in the last week and a half
[5:52] <Encapsulation> =D
[5:53] <[Saint]> The temperature range in my locale is -6~42C
[5:53] <[Saint]> and both of those are VERY rare extremes.
[5:53] <[Saint]> Its usually -2~32C-ish
[5:53] <Encapsulation> 42c !
[5:53] <Encapsulation> that's a bit much
[5:54] <[Saint]> That's only happened twice in recorded history here IIRC. But, yeah, I agree.
[5:54] <[Saint]> Its usually low-to-mid 30s as an extreme.
[5:54] <Encapsulation> sounds similar to here with a milder winter
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[5:55] <[Saint]> That $1K deductible literally made me choke on my coffee.
[5:55] <[Saint]> Luckily I have free healthcare if I did choke, or I'd be in trouble!
[5:55] <Encapsulation> lol
[5:55] <Encapsulation> I gotta get to bed getting up at 6:30 for class, cya
[5:55] <[Saint]> o/
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[5:57] <[Saint]> Looking at course outline costs just now, a Bachelor of IT is going to set you back $6K over 3 years assuming a pass.
[5:58] <[Saint]> But you can get most of that back in course related cost grants.
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[5:59] <[Saint]> All you pay for a material consumable costs.
[5:59] <[Saint]> *for are
[6:00] <Encapsulation> that's less than one semester with in state tuition at university here
[6:00] <[Saint]> :-/
[6:01] <[Saint]> anyhoo - sleep well my expensively educated friend! o/
[6:01] <Encapsulation> haha, will do
[6:02] * plugwash wonders how much longer he will stay at the Unversity of Manchester
[6:02] <plugwash> (started in 2004 as an undergrad, now a RA)
[6:03] <[Saint]> That's a whole lotta advisin'
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[6:04] <[Saint]> (assuming 3(?) years study.)
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[6:06] <plugwash> (RA=research associate)
[6:08] <[Saint]> Ah. Its Resident Advisor here.
[6:09] <plugwash> 5 years Meng with industrial experiance, followed by a PHD that overran (submitted after 4 years and 3 months), then some part time casual work at the uni while dealing with the viva and corrections, then I briefly left the uni and did some consulting for raspberry pi then I started my current job as a RA
[6:10] <niston> what does a research associate do?
[6:11] <[Saint]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_associate
[6:12] <niston> hmm.
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[6:13] <niston> so basically someone with a degree hired by a university?
[6:13] <niston> to do whatever is at hand?
[6:15] <plugwash> normally research associates are associated with and funded by a research project, they are paid to work on that project, the exact form of that work will vary (in my case i'm currently developing measurement hardware)
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[6:17] <niston> i see
[6:17] <niston> sounds like it can be a very nice job
[6:18] <[Saint]> I think I would quite probably go insane.
[6:18] <[Saint]> 11 years in one place. Not for me. Nope nope nope.
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[6:19] <niston> sure beats being a coding slave
[6:20] <niston> where some idiot asshole without a clue tells you "we don't use events because they are evil."
[6:20] <niston> >_<
[6:21] <[Saint]> My current job is hilariously simple. Its awesome. All I do is swap out any drives that show the slightest hint of failure in a data center and destroy them.
[6:21] <[Saint]> Overseen by the grumpiest, and oldest, man on the face of the Earth.
[6:21] <niston> haha
[6:21] <plugwash> one almost has the opposite problem, i'm working largely on my own doing everything from circuit design to PCB layout to FPGA programming to embedded linux programming to PC programming
[6:22] <niston> [Saint]: destroying things for a living is very fulfilling I think - immediate satisfaction guaranteed
[6:22] <[Saint]> The shredder I get to use it _beastly.
[6:22] <niston> plugwash: sounds very versatile
[6:22] <[Saint]> It scares the fudge out of me.
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[6:23] <niston> plugwash: I take it the downside is that all the fame and glory goes to the leading prof?
[6:24] <niston> possibly also the patents on what you built
[6:25] <[Saint]> any IP done on premises would be owned by them, yeah.
[6:26] <[Saint]> that's a very standard agreement.
[6:27] <niston> same old everywhere
[6:28] <plugwash> most of the real IP of any value will be coming from the other side of the project anyway, the mathematicians working on the reconstruction algorithms. I'm just building the hardware to collect the data
[6:28] <niston> at least it might be interesting and challenging
[6:28] <niston> unlike what, for example, I did at my last job
[6:29] <niston> which mainly consisted of trying to find my way around a database that had string fields in it
[6:29] <niston> filled with "10010101100101A00342CF14992"
[6:30] <plugwash> it's just nerve wracking working on your own, submitting orders for hardware manufacture at a cost of over a grand a time when you know that noone else has had more than a casual look at the design
[6:30] <niston> where the first 1 means "it's a business client", the second 0 that "they are creditworthy" and so on
[6:30] <niston> and somewhere in between is the client ID
[6:31] <niston> ie a database designed by an untrained chimp who thinks of an RDBMS as sort of a fancy spreadsheet
[6:31] <niston> but also happens to be the head honcho because well, he's got the money.
[6:32] <niston> hmm
[6:32] <niston> "submitting orders for hardware manufacture at a cost of over a grand a time when you know that noone else has had more than a casual look at the design" <--- I did such things at the ISP I worked at
[6:32] <niston> boss walks in and is like "you're going to design me a 10gigE backbone today."
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[6:33] <niston> well not hardware manufacturing obviously, but equipment
[6:34] <niston> telco gear is (was) ridiculously expensive
[6:34] <niston> SDH/SONET nodes that cost about half a million each, such like
[6:36] <niston> or WDM gear, where you could get a maserati for the price of a single amplifier card
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[6:36] <plugwash> OUCH
[6:36] <plugwash> makes what i'm doing look cheap in comparison
[6:38] <niston> yet more exciting I guess
[6:38] <plasmasnake> so does anybody here run an rpi on their home network? i use mine as an ssh gateway and for IRC... i wonder what else people use it for (aside from the DIY project stuff)?
[6:38] <niston> cause all you get to do is slot in cards and bitch at some indian tech support guy who tells you in broken english that he wants you to tear apart the stack you just created and configured
[6:39] <[Saint]> I used one as a quassel core for a bit.
[6:39] <[Saint]> but, raspis and large databases are NOT freinds.
[6:39] <kevireilly_> plasmasnake: home automation
[6:39] <[Saint]> querying ~200 entries each from ~50 buffers brought the pi to its knees.
[6:39] <[Saint]> ever. single. time.
[6:40] <plasmasnake> lol
[6:40] <[Saint]> large DBs are the pi are mutual enemies.
[6:40] <plasmasnake> kevireilly_: for just turning power sources on and off or what?
[6:40] <abnormal> plasmasnake, I use my pi as a desktop PC... mounted on back of monitor and used as a chat computer
[6:40] <plugwash> niston, at least you have a tech support guy to call whereas if you designed the board yourself you have to work out why it's not working yourself
[6:40] <plasmasnake> i have mine running weechat so i just SSH into it from wherever i am
[6:40] <niston> of course, after wasting more than one hour on said support call, it turns out that they are unable to even understand the problem.
[6:41] <kevireilly_> plasmasnake: mostly lights presently, yeah. I’m using a z-wave controller and then also have an app attached with ibeacon support
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[6:41] <plugwash> and hope to heck that it's something you can fix without having to get a new version of the board made
[6:42] <niston> plugwash: not really. the "fix" was to upgrade to an even more expensive version of their product.
[6:42] <plasmasnake> kevireilly_: ah, nice.. the z-wave stuff doesn't seem expensive either
[6:42] <niston> and all tech support did was waste hours on dismantling and rebuilding your stack over and over
[6:42] <niston> wihtout any result at all
[6:43] <kevireilly_> plasmasnake: it’s not too shabby. The controller is about the same price as most z-wave light switches and outlets. Can get a fair amount of coverage for a couple hundo
[6:44] <kevireilly_> depending on what you want to control ofcos, but z-wave also has a shit load of various devices for most things you can think of.. front door lock is on my list ;)
[6:45] <niston> (the company im referring to is known for their purple boxes)
[6:45] <[Saint]> a pi as a desktop "pc" sounds so painful its not even funny.
[6:46] <[Saint]> a second-hand android handset is going to blow it out of the water.
[6:46] <plasmasnake> [Saint]: lol yeah, but maybe not as much with the new one
[6:46] <niston> that fool had me messing with stacking and what not when it was a licensing problem. would you believe it?
[6:46] <kevireilly_> rpi2 should be a big step, doesn’t it specifically mention being able to run ubuntu and windows 10 or something?
[6:46] <plasmasnake> and kevireilly_ i think it'll be a while before i trust my front door lock to the internet :)
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[6:46] <[Saint]> kevireilly_: the Snappy ubuntu core (quite different) and Windows 10 when it becomes a thing.
[6:46] <plasmasnake> and yeah @ ubuntu and windows 10 support.. but i'm guessing it'll get a pared down version of windows 10
[6:46] <kevireilly_> plasmasnake: lol fair enough indeed. The security aspect of that isn’t something to mess around with :)
[6:47] <[Saint]> though, performance has yet to be seen.
[6:47] <plasmasnake> and the ubuntu version will be ubuntu core, which is also a pared down version
[6:47] <[Saint]> at the end of the day, it still has the same limitations on throughput.
[6:47] <kevireilly_> ah
[6:47] <[Saint]> throwing more cores at it doesn't help that
[6:47] <[Saint]> or more RAM.
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[6:53] <abnormal> so you saying the B-2 is a spoof?
[6:54] <[Saint]> Not necessarily, there's some real world applications for it, sure, but at the end of the day it still contains the same basic limitations of its forefathers.
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[6:55] <abnormal> I see............ so no matter which model I get, it's all the same...
[6:56] <niston> all the same shared USB 2.0 yes
[6:56] <plasmasnake> but don't forget it's still $35
[6:56] <niston> yup
[6:57] <uriah> :<
[6:57] <uriah> yeah, the usb thing annoys
[6:57] <uriah> can't get high speed usb drive scp transfers to another machine
[6:57] <abnormal> well... we wait long enuf, maybe a model C with quintuple core at 2.4GHz and 18 Gb mem... lol
[6:58] <niston> there's still faint hopes for the CSI/DSI thing
[6:58] <niston> albeit very VERY faint
[6:58] <uriah> well it should still need to have a better usb infrastructure
[6:58] <uriah> i don't think the processing power is the issue here
[6:58] <niston> uriah: USB 3.0 would have been nice
[6:58] <uriah> indeed
[6:58] <niston> or even an SGMII interface
[6:58] <uriah> but i mean... with that kind of budget, what can we expect?
[6:59] <uriah> as well as that size board, perhaps
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[6:59] <uriah> anyway, it's enough to be able to stream videos from a usb hard drive, so it's ok
[7:00] <niston> whatever. its cheap and the power requirements are almost zilch.
[7:00] <uriah> indeed
[7:01] <uriah> and the board size is key
[7:01] <uriah> i wouldn't want the pi to be any bigger
[7:01] <niston> plus it has a great community and useful software support
[7:01] <uriah> true
[7:01] <uriah> now if only broadcom didn't cause the bootloader to be a blob
[7:02] <uriah> broadcom are notorious for their failures at open-sourcing their hardware interfaces
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[7:02] <uriah> look at their wifi decies
[7:02] <uriah> devices*
[7:03] <niston> what strikes me as odd at times is that their chips are everywhere. yet you can't buy them anywhere.
[7:04] <niston> (with a few notable exceptions)
[7:04] <uriah> i guess they deal with mass production more than they do with OEM
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[7:15] <[Saint]> I think we only got this version because it involved precisely zero changes to the layout of the board.
[7:16] <[Saint]> It'd be really nice to see a version with an eMMC.
[7:16] <[Saint]> ...maybe next time.
[7:16] <plugwash> if by "layout of the board" you mean PCB layout it was a massive change
[7:17] <uriah> heh
[7:17] <plugwash> memory moved from PoP to the bottom, that means a whole load of new criticial signals
[7:17] <CoJaBo> niston: They're everywhere precisely because you can't buy them; they only work with vendors that do massive volume.
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[7:18] <[Saint]> No no, sorry, connectors and such. I'm aware things changed quite a bit.
[7:19] <[Saint]> I have a feeling that it wouldn't have been quite so easy, or even have happened at all, if it involved a truly radical change to the form factor and layout.
[7:20] <[Saint]> (not that I'm in any way saying that it was 'easy')
[7:20] <[Saint]> What I'm essentially saying is that I sincerely doubt anyone felt like starting from scratch.
[7:21] <uriah> but what if they had to in order to reach such a similar form factor? :P
[7:21] <uriah> wait, does that make sense?
[7:21] <plugwash> honestly I think the main reason we don't have gige or multiple independent USBs is that they didn't have enough chip-designer time available
[7:21] <uriah> i guess they could have erased everything except where the connectors are
[7:22] <plugwash> the PCB design while a fair bit of work is not a massive deal now they have a full time PCB designer
[7:22] <plugwash> (unlike when they did the model B and pete had to design it on his spare time)
[7:23] <uriah> hmm... that must have taken a while
[7:24] <[Saint]> If I didn't already have a fleet of C1s, I might be more interested, but seeing as I use them primarily for networking applications, its likely not an upgrade I would have made anyway.
[7:25] <plugwash> mmm, for networking applications the odriod C1 is almost certainly better than the raspberry pi 2
[7:25] <[Saint]> The C1 upgrade with eMMC modules was approximately twice as expensive (it'd be a lot more if I didn't buy in bulk and save on shipping), but for my clients, it was worth it.
[7:26] <[Saint]> All of a sudden they can actually make use of the bandwidth I can throw at them.
[7:26] <[Saint]> And the local highschool profited to the tune of two dozen model Bs.
[7:27] <[Saint]> Though, honestly, although appreciative, I suspect they have no idea what they are or what to do with them.
[7:27] <[Saint]> But, it was smiles and nods all round.
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[7:28] <plugwash> what are you using the C1s for or is that a secret?
[7:28] <[Saint]> Wireless receiver stations and NAS boxes.
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[7:29] <[Saint]> And, for my own use, a media streaming box and a quassel-core.
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[7:30] <[Saint]> I have a single solitary raspi left as a deadman/remote failsafe switch for my server.
[7:31] <[Saint]> It exists solely to flip a couple of relays.
[7:32] <[Saint]> It wasn't worth swapping that out, it does its job, and it does it well, and its got 720+ days of uptime. It'd be a shame to bring it down for no real reason.
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[7:35] <[Saint]> There's nothing in my grandfathered ISP plan(s) preventing resale or commercialization.
[7:35] <uriah> :>
[7:35] <uriah> tome for bed
[7:35] <uriah> gnight
[7:35] <uriah> tim*
[7:35] <uriah> time*
[7:35] <uriah> -_-
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[7:35] <uriah> tired
[7:35] <uriah> gnight
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[8:28] <mpmc> Aha, I found out the cause of the pulsing rainbow square of death.. cheap cable..
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[8:44] <sundhaug92> How do I build the kernel for the RPi2?
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[10:07] <shiftplusone> sundhaug92, same as before, but use bcm2709_defconfig and run it through mkknlimg (in raspberrypi/tools on github)
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[10:10] <Darkwell> hey there
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[10:13] <Darkwell> have anyone of you thought/tried to have 2 rpi communicating over usb ? what would be the least requirement to make this work ? AFAIK the rpi B doesnt have OTG so a cable direct in between won t work right ?
[10:14] <zlimvos> my wifi suddenly stopped connecting, is there a log with the tries to see why it fails?
[10:14] <Darkwell> what diles do you have in /var/log ?
[10:15] <sundhaug92> zlimvos: dmesg
[10:15] <Darkwell> finles
[10:15] <sundhaug92> Darkwell: USB doesn't support that, use a networking cable
[10:15] <Darkwell> sorry cant type properly .. files
[10:16] <sundhaug92> shiftplusone: mkknlimg? that's not mentioned by the wiki afaik
[10:16] <zlimvos> messages and sytslog dont show anything on the tries (the usb dongle is there, and i can see my network in "wpa_cli scan && sleep 5 && wpa_cli scan_results"
[10:16] <zlimvos> ill check dmesg
[10:16] <Darkwell> sundhaug92, if there was otg it would... right off the bat. the idea is having a log server that had a "secure channel" over usb not over network
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[10:17] <zlimvos> if i understand well dmesg has to do with the hardware/driver etc. all this is fine, i can scan networks etc. the question is if par example 'authentication failure' is somewhere logged
[10:17] <sundhaug92> Darkwell: It's not OTG, what you could do is use a networking cable without a switch or hub in between and a USB-NIC/WNIC to external
[10:18] <Darkwell> yeah that would work...
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[10:23] <[Saint]> secure and USB don't often get used in the same sentence.
[10:24] <Darkwell> hehe having swedish keyboards and hooking up on to the console for the first time since I boght the rpis ... figured that when doing the wipeut of x11 it did remove support for the console-setup to so the keymap for swedish keyboard diddnt work .. but apt-get install cnsole-setup remedied it without extra work ;)
[10:24] <Darkwell> [Saint], im aware of that, as long as noone has physical access its better than say wifi
[10:25] <[Saint]> changing the locale in rpi-config would have worked too, I imagine.
[10:25] <Darkwell> i did change the locale and it didnt do then triclk i wanted.. having english menus and sxwedish input
[10:26] <[Saint]> ahhh.
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[10:26] <Darkwell> it seems raspbian is aimed towards x in the setting in raspi-config
[10:26] <ShorTie> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[10:26] <Darkwell> doesnt work.. since i wiped all x related stuff
[10:27] <skyroveRR> sundhaug92: check out usbnet.
[10:27] <ShorTie> don't need X for that to work
[10:27] <skyroveRR> ShorTie: Networking over USB.
[10:27] <skyroveRR> * sundhaug92
[10:27] <[Saint]> for the whole "connecting two rpi" thing, why net use network direct connection?
[10:27] <Darkwell> simplest solution was apt-get install console-setup after doing the raspi-config and setting locale to en-uk and swedish keyboard on the other
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[10:27] <ShorTie> keyboard setup is in raspi-config too....
[10:28] <[Saint]> Or do they need netowrking via eth, on two separate networks, as well as connection to each other?
[10:28] <skyroveRR> Yeah, that one too. Maybe he simply doesn't want a networking cable.
[10:28] <[Saint]> but, then...USB cable?
[10:28] <[Saint]> Hell, a cable's a cable.
[10:28] <Darkwell> yes its in raspi config... but im saying that when wiping X it did remove console-setup
[10:28] <skyroveRR> Yeah, it's odd, but it is possible.
[10:29] <Darkwell> let me check what I didi when clreatig the "headless"
[10:29] <[Saint]> anyhoo - yeah, Darkwell, we need a little more info, well...not need, but would like.
[10:29] <[Saint]> WHy not just connect the two pis over LAN?
[10:29] <Darkwell> because the lan is designed to have direct internet access
[10:30] <[Saint]> VPN?
[10:31] <[Saint]> USB's not happening without some fairly extensive jiggery-pokery.
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[10:32] <[Saint]> the other option is direct serial connection.
[10:32] <Darkwell> did apt-get remove --auto-remove --purge libx11-.*
[10:32] <Darkwell> apt-get -f install
[10:32] <Darkwell> apt-get install deborphan
[10:32] <Darkwell> apt-get remove --purge $(deborphan)
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[10:32] <[Saint]> here's what I did to create a headless environment:
[10:32] <[Saint]> Install Arch
[10:33] <Darkwell> ther eare more lines there
[10:33] <Darkwell> i had raspbian and did that to remov e
[10:33] <[Saint]> Alternatively, there's great many vastly reduced debian images out there.
[10:33] <Darkwell> then dd to disk and then dd to each sd card to be a rpi headless machine
[10:33] <[Saint]> Darkwell: you'd probable want to look at https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[10:34] <Darkwell> ok
[10:34] <[Saint]> No messing around removing things.
[10:34] <Darkwell> well now its already done and backed up through dd =)
[10:34] <[Saint]> Its an unattended install of a minimal raspbian base system.
[10:34] <Gadgetoid_> Here comes the tech support avalanche from Pi 2 users, *hides*
[10:34] <Darkwell> well using seral comm is insteresting then I could use gpio
[10:35] <[Saint]> The other alternative is Arch linux
[10:35] <ShorTie> instead of try to like unistall X and stuff, it might be better to just build your own install with raspbian-ui-netinstall
[10:35] <Darkwell> i got slice of radio on 2 and that serial com over rf
[10:35] <[Saint]> ShorTie: late to the game. ;)
[10:36] <Darkwell> ah nice ... netinstall on raspbian that Ilike
[10:36] <ShorTie> i see, that is what i get gor being a 1 button typer, lol.
[10:36] <ShorTie> gor/for
[10:37] <Darkwell> hmm
[10:37] <Gadgetoid_> Any Python spidev users around? I've just pushed 3.0 to pip
[10:40] <Darkwell> ethernet over usb may be simpler if you want to pipe data from serveral machines to one destination.. not sure how to do that with gpio without say spi protocol
[10:40] <azizLIGHT> can i run pfsense on pi2
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[10:46] <Darkwell> shen i say SPI I mean serial peripheral interface such as you do when havng an microcontroller communicating to several peripherals etc... should work on gpio to..
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[11:00] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, is there a peripherals datasheet for Pi2?
[11:00] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid_, same as a pi1, just different base address.
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[11:01] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, curious, I wonder why the ws2812 stuff doesn't work then
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[11:01] <Gadgetoid_> shiftplusone, I'll check again!
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[11:08] <Gadgetoid_> Maaan I'm in way over my head!
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[11:41] <Darkwell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc
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[11:45] <[Saint]> The cooling on that thing makes me laugh hysterically.
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[11:47] <Darkwell> hehe
[11:47] <[Saint]> I wonder if he thinks its relevant, or if its show-offing?
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[11:48] <Darkwell> show off of course =)
[11:48] <[Saint]> They won't care, at all, until it gets up to _80C_ :)
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[11:48] <[Saint]> Even then they'll only limit scaling.
[11:48] <Darkwell> got several myself but no that many ...buyt i want to hide mine..
[11:49] <[Saint]> He built himself a really expensive LED cube. :)
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[11:49] <Darkwell> yeah
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[11:54] <Darkwell> there are others doing example to make your own cluster, and some of those arent using a good powergrid solution
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[12:25] <Gadgetoid_> Boom! https://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPi.version
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[12:39] <Vndtta> Hi, I'm thinking of setting up a VPS on a raspberry, do you think virtualization with linux-vserver is feasible with the spects of the new raspberry?
[12:40] <day> with vt-x?
[12:40] <day> :P
[12:40] <day> i hope its finally fast enough to run linux properly
[12:40] <day> heck the beaglebone is to slow for linux cli
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[12:43] <Vndtta> day: so that is a no way?
[12:44] <day> well its always a question of: what do you want to do with it? Toying around with virtualization, sure why not. actually using it? I dont think so
[12:45] <Dragonkeeper> o.O
[12:46] <Vndtta> Ok, thanks!
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[13:20] <Joost`> any recommendations what SDHC card to get for the Pi 2?
[13:20] <shiftplusone> this, when it's back in stock. http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
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[13:21] <ali1234> shiftplusone: it's kind of annoying that the page doesn't show the price if it's sold out. but the "related products" section does if you go to another product page
[13:22] <ali1234> seems silly
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[13:26] <ali1234> wait what does this do: http://swag.raspberrypi.org/collections/pi-kits/products/raspberry-pi-cmdk-adaptor
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[13:26] <exobuzz> anyone else had black screen on sdl stuff since the 3.18 kernel / updated firmware ?
[13:26] * exobuzz looks into it
[13:26] <ali1234> "allow you to connect more than one DSI display or CSI Camera Module to the [computer module] dev kit" - how does that work?
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[13:29] <shiftplusone> ali1234, what do you mean? Plug one end to the camera, plug the other end to the cmio board... repeat for the second camera...
[13:29] <ali1234> how is it wired up?
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[13:29] <ali1234> it uses pins not available in A/B?
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[13:30] <shiftplusone> the normal pi has one CSI port exposed
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[13:30] <shiftplusone> cmio board has 2
[13:30] <shiftplusone> (and 2 dsi)
[13:30] <ali1234> right, they are on different pins, it isn't a bus
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[13:30] <shiftplusone> yup
[13:30] <ali1234> so which ones are exposed on the A/B?
[13:31] <ali1234> CAM0 or CAM1?
[13:31] <shiftplusone> 1
[13:31] <ali1234> 1 is 4 bit, 0 is 2 bit - if i'm reading this schematic correctly?
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[13:32] <ali1234> and there's an i2c bus on those connectors?
[13:33] <ali1234> CSI/DSI interfaces look at least electrically compatible according tot his
[13:33] <shiftplusone> 4 and 2 lane*
[13:33] <shiftplusone> and yes, they're electrically compatible
[13:33] <shiftplusone> and yes, there's i2c as well.
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[13:36] <ali1234> so is this effectively just a high speed 4 lane SPI interface? (ignoring the camera io stuff and the i2c)
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[13:37] <ali1234> oh and it's differential signalling presumably
[13:38] <shiftplusone> yes 2/4 LVDS lanes.
[13:39] <shiftplusone> look up mipi csi-2
[13:39] <clever> from what ive heard, the GPU has a lot of post-processing built in, to do stuff like de-bayer to the camera image
[13:39] <clever> so it cant easily be used as a raw data input
[13:40] <shiftplusone> not (quite) true.
[13:40] <shiftplusone> You can't feed data in there and use the existing tools to read that in as video and decode it into data.
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[13:41] <ali1234> "Specifications are available to MIPI members only."
[13:42] <shiftplusone> there's a draft pdf out there somewhere
[13:42] <clever> and some reverse engineering on a DSI display, i can find the link in a sec
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[13:46] <ali1234> the i2c on these ports is presumably for identifying what is connected?
[13:46] <clever> and configuring it
[13:47] <ali1234> has anyone tried connecting an i2c eeprom from some random display and seeing what happens
[13:47] <clever> CSI for example is basicaly raw image data and no config at all
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[13:57] <shiftplusone> yeah, i2c is used to control the sensor, CSI is used to receive the data
[13:58] <ali1234> so somewhere in the GPU firmware there's a table of known device identifiers presumably including the one of the camera module
[13:58] <shiftplusone> yes
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[14:00] <clever> that table also includes all of the compensation to correct the image artifacts unique to this sensor
[14:01] <ali1234> i'm sure, however it's more useful for discovering the offset of the driver in the GPU firmware, and from that the memory offset of the CSI hardware
[14:01] <shiftplusone> a bit of a convoluted approach
[14:02] <shiftplusone> you can download the header files from the broadcom 3d release stuff
[14:02] <shiftplusone> and that has pretty much everything
[14:02] <clever> i also found an SMI driver for the linux kernel in that
[14:02] <clever> but i cant get it to work right, a macro is missing
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[14:13] <[Saint]> missing elements in a Broadcom release?
[14:13] <[Saint]> color me shocked.
[14:13] <[Saint]> I kid, really, but only slightly.
[14:14] <[Saint]> They're far better now than when they assigned me a "community development support representative"
[14:14] <[Saint]> what a complete joke that was.
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[14:16] <ali1234> hmm this has the function select registers
[14:16] <ali1234> need to compare those with the other docs
[14:22] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid, ping?
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[14:28] <eatyourguitar> so I turn on my computer and I'm like wtf is this
[14:28] <eatyourguitar> the new pi
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[14:28] <eatyourguitar> is banana pi going to have a hard time selling bananas
[14:29] <eatyourguitar> and how polished is raspian on the new pi?
[14:29] <Armand> Considering they don't sell any fruit, no.. not really. :P
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[14:42] <igraltist> banana pi still has a sata port as advantage
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[14:47] <Armand> igraltist: Rather have eMMC
[14:47] <Armand> Or both. :)
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[14:50] <shiftplusone> Hmm... a common request I see is USB3.0 and gbit ethernet, which I find a bit odd.
[14:51] <niston> why?
[14:51] <Armand> Gb, yes.. USB3? Meh.
[14:51] <shiftplusone> I know I'm probably not representative of the average person, but my PC isn't gbit (and is very new) yet to own a device that benefits from USB3.0. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything without those things.
[14:52] <shiftplusone> *doesn't have a gbit NIC
[14:52] <shiftplusone> *and I'm yet to....
[14:52] <shiftplusone> (can't type, it seems)
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[14:52] <niston> since USB is the only bus on the SoC, upping its performance would seem beneficiary to me
[14:53] <shiftplusone> Yes, so would a huge list of other things, but it doesn't seem to be as essential as some people make it out to be.
[14:53] <niston> especially since you could then link an USB 3.0 GigE chip to it
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[14:53] <niston> but yeah.. I don't have any USB 3.0 gear either on my desktop
[14:53] <niston> yet still, a PC without GigE? In 2015?
[14:53] <ali1234> they only want USB3 so they can have gigabit
[14:54] <ali1234> and yeah gigabit is standard on new PCs since about 5 years ago
[14:54] <niston> or a USB3.0-to-SATA
[14:54] <niston> bridge thingy chip
[14:54] <ali1234> yeah that too
[14:54] <niston> dunno
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[14:55] <shiftplusone> maybe it is, but given then it's only used to access the internet and occasionally transfer files to/from a pi I don't notice the benefit.
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[14:55] <ali1234> what they really want is USB2 with multiple HCDs
[14:55] <Armand> I have Gb internet at work, so it would be massively useful to me. :)
[14:55] <ali1234> because sharing one USB3 port between devices is worse than one USB2 port per device
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[14:56] <niston> ali1234: whats the rationale behind that?
[14:56] <shiftplusone> Would sharing a USB3.0 port necessarily increase overall bandwidth to USB2.0 devices? I know logically it should, but... does it work that way?
[14:56] <ali1234> USB tends to end up running as fast as the slowest device
[14:57] <ali1234> put a mouse and a hard drive on a USB3 port... it will go slow
[14:57] <ali1234> shiftplusone: it would help a bit but having a dedicated port per device would be better
[14:58] <shiftplusone> that's my thinking to, but I can't really justify it without understanding USB on a much lower level than I currently do.
[14:58] <exobuzz> " but my PC isn't gbit (and is very new)" - they are still selling motherboards with 100mbit ethernet ? who would buy that.
[14:58] <Armand> Not really caring much about the USB, but a dedicated LAN controller would be nice.
[14:59] <exobuzz> i would appreciate gigabit for sure..
[14:59] <Dragonkeeper> not everyone needs 1 gb eth in home enviroment . most routerspeople have at home only traffic 150mb on netwrok anyway
[15:00] <Armand> Moot point.
[15:00] <exobuzz> i only have 100mbit (downstream) from internet, but my lan is gigabit mostly.. i dont want to copy files from one room to another at 100mbit speeds
[15:00] <exobuzz> would take forever
[15:00] <ali1234> shiftplusone: actually if you ONLY connected USB2 devices... using a USB3 device would not help
[15:00] <ali1234> *port
[15:01] <Armand> You know, the first time I downloaded a file on Gb.. I laughed.
[15:01] <Dragonkeeper> if the router only does 150mb then logicly having a 1gb nic card wouldnt matter
[15:01] <Armand> Got 110MB/s from a Goscomb server. :D
[15:01] <exobuzz> Dragonkeeper, if you have one computer
[15:01] <shiftplusone> exobuzz, I've already acknowledged that it probably is gbit, but I don't use it in a way that makes a difference.
[15:01] <exobuzz> Dragonkeeper, if you have more than one computer, gigabit is useful. you know. copying files. backing up to nas etc
[15:01] <Armand> Dragonkeeper: I've NEVER seen a 150Mb/s wired LAN.
[15:01] <exobuzz> shiftplusone, aah ok. i missed that
[15:02] <Dragonkeeper> no i had 3 computers sharing files with 1gb nics and all connected to a router with a 150mb capacity ... do you see the logic ? lol
[15:02] <exobuzz> I have all my main storage under the stairs.. it would be a pain without gigabit. i would actually like faster than gigabit sometimes (when copying large amounts of data)
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[15:02] <ali1234> i find sata to be too slow personally
[15:03] <exobuzz> Dragonkeeper, well. considering you can pick up gigabit switch for £20 or less, you are making your own problems :)
[15:03] <Armand> Dragonkeeper: Again, never seen 150Mb/s LAN... Do you mean the WAN speed ?
[15:03] <exobuzz> ali1234, sata3 with ssd also ?
[15:04] <niston> 150mbps sounds like 802.11n lite
[15:04] <skyroveRR> Dragonkeeper: 150Mb/s is the WIRELESS speed of most common consumer routers, not WIRED speed. They communicate at 100Mb/s only.
[15:04] <skyroveRR> Via ethernet.
[15:05] <Armand> ^
[15:05] <Dragonkeeper> ok maybe im not fully awake but still 100mb to 1gb .. bottle necks
[15:05] <ali1234> again, gigabit is standard on all new routers for about 5 years
[15:06] <[Saint]> unless you're using your nasty telco-supplied crud.
[15:06] <exobuzz> yeh.. even my crap vm not very super superhub has gigabit.
[15:06] <[Saint]> which I imagine many are.
[15:06] <ali1234> yeah in the UK even the free stuff is gigabit now
[15:06] <[Saint]> wow.
[15:07] <Dragonkeeper> free stuff ?
[15:07] <ali1234> the free router your ISP gives you
[15:07] <ali1234> because people don't know howw to configure them and they don't want to send an engineer to do it
[15:07] <[Saint]> that's not a thing in many locales.
[15:07] <Dragonkeeper> oh i have maybe of them bits of junk
[15:07] <[Saint]> many locales make you pay for that crud
[15:07] <Dragonkeeper> many*
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[15:08] <ali1234> i have a box full of them
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[15:08] <Dragonkeeper> i might pick up a cisco router one of these days
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[15:08] <ali1234> they are basically only good for using as switches
[15:08] <[Saint]> yeah.
[15:08] <shiftplusone> agh.... I'm used to having my own router running something sensible like tomato or openwrt. Over here in the UK, everyone seems to have one supplied by the ISP, which is terrible and locked down. =/
[15:09] <ali1234> it's only locked down if you use talktalk or bt
[15:09] <exobuzz> Dragonkeeper, look up openwrt. can get an affordable router, and have a nice os for it
[15:09] <ali1234> or one of the other terrible ISPs
[15:09] <exobuzz> I have a tp-link wdr4300 with openwrt
[15:09] <Squarepy> shiftplusone, are these the modem-router combinations?
[15:09] <shiftplusone> yeah
[15:09] <ali1234> any decent ISP will tell you the password and then you can bin their router and use your own
[15:10] <ali1234> or just get "wires only" service
[15:10] <[Saint]> I'm of the opinion that a modem and a router have little business being together.
[15:10] <exobuzz> vm router is not worth using as a router
[15:10] <exobuzz> awful
[15:10] <shiftplusone> Yeah, but living in a shared house, I don't want to pay for it all myself or convince others to pay for things they don't care about.
[15:10] <exobuzz> modem mode and openwrt all the way shiftplusone like you
[15:10] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: true
[15:10] <Squarepy> shiftplusone, simplest is a wired bridge with your own browser, disable wlan on the isp router
[15:10] <Squarepy> browser/router*
[15:10] <ali1234> wires only is usually cheaper
[15:11] <Squarepy> :)
[15:11] <ali1234> pretty much anything is cheaper than BT, and certainly much better service
[15:11] <Dragonkeeper> so your saying a cisco router vsa home router .. home router wins ?
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[15:12] <ali1234> Dragonkeeper: it depends if you care about the price or not
[15:12] <ali1234> cisco router is like 100x as expensive and maybe only 2.5x as good
[15:12] <exobuzz> and if you trust them not to have put in a back door for the nsa ;-)
[15:13] <niston> hmm
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[15:13] <exobuzz> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/
[15:13] <niston> ali1234: im not sure if an USB 2.0 device really degrades the entire USB 3.0 bus to lower speeds
[15:13] <[Saint]> If you're buying off the shelf, and intend to have more than one access point/router (to make use of their fancy features), I'd go with Ubiquiti presently
[15:13] <niston> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tusb8040a1.pdf
[15:13] <ali1234> niston: it does when it is in operation
[15:13] <[Saint]> I've installed and set up several for clients.
[15:13] <[Saint]> Very nice.
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[15:14] <[Saint]> Expensive, though.
[15:14] <[Saint]> But sleek, sexy, and powerful.
[15:14] <Dragonkeeper> hmm so much fear over nsa
[15:14] <[Saint]> If that's the case, better get off the Internet now.
[15:14] <shiftplusone> I don't like the idea, but if you assume that you don't have any more privacy or anonymity on the internet than you do offline (as you should), the whole NSA thing doesn't amount to much.
[15:14] <[Saint]> Yep.
[15:15] <Dragonkeeper> what exactly would this back door do ?
[15:15] <shiftplusone> Dragonkeeper, annoy the NSA guy who has to read through all your logs.
[15:15] <exobuzz> :)
[15:15] <ali1234> niston: in an extreme example, if oyu put an old USB 1.1 webcam on a USB 3 port, it will use up all the bandwidth communicating at 10mbit or whatever
[15:15] <[Saint]> The fact of the matter is, you're probably not that important.
[15:16] <[Saint]> No one wants to read through your logs.
[15:16] <Dragonkeeper> yeah logs are interesting ..especially if they are turned off
[15:16] <ali1234> if it is communicating 90% of the time say, then a USB3 device on the same port can only use 10% of USB3 bandwidth
[15:16] <ali1234> so in this example, two USB2 ports peform better than one USB3
[15:17] <niston> hmm
[15:17] <niston> "USB 3 Architecture: USB 3 uses a dual-bus system that allows USB 3 traffic and USB 2 traffic to operate over the cabling simultaneously. This means that unlike earlier versions of USB, which operated at the top speed of the slowest device connected, USB 3 can zip along even when a USB 2 device is connected."
[15:17] <ali1234> although maybenot because 10% of USB3 is still more than USB2
[15:17] <Bilby> *yawn* morning
[15:17] <ali1234> hmm, okay, didn't know that
[15:18] <ali1234> so a USB3 port is really two ports?
[15:18] <niston> also: "The TUSB8040A1 provides simultaneous SuperSpeed USB and high-speed or full-speed connections on the upstream port" [...]
[15:18] <ali1234> so it is physically two different busses
[15:18] <niston> yup there's additional connections on an USB 3.0 cable
[15:19] <ali1234> that's handy
[15:20] <ali1234> at any rate, two USB2 roots would probably be more useful on the pi than one USB3 root
[15:20] <Bilby> isn't it two rows of 4 pins and deeper? so it's physically backwards compatible with USB 2
[15:21] <ali1234> just cos USB3 devices still aren't that common
[15:21] <ali1234> it's pointless anyway, we're not going to get it :)
[15:21] <shiftplusone> truth
[15:22] <eatyourguitar> I think the gigabit ethernet port is very important for cluster computing
[15:22] <ali1234> why would you cluster a slow ARM CPU?
[15:22] <eatyourguitar> for clusters that need RAM bandwidth
[15:22] <shiftplusone> I don't think a pi is important for cluster computing though.
[15:22] <niston> I think the idea has some merit
[15:23] <niston> use a bunch of clustered low-power systems as network servers
[15:23] <eatyourguitar> I think there will be lots of $20 pi's on ebay within a year
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[15:23] <eatyourguitar> cluster pi is very attractive
[15:23] <niston> its an ARM dream anyways
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[15:23] <ali1234> the pi is horrible for clustering
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[15:23] <niston> ali1234: mainly due to lack of real high speed interfacing though
[15:24] <ali1234> especially the old models
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[15:24] <eatyourguitar> the only thing holding cluster computing back on any architechure is the software behind it and the market demand for cheap clusters
[15:24] <ali1234> mainly because the CPU is so slow your cluster would be about as fast as a single PC... from 5 years ago...
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[15:24] <niston> ali1234: I beg to differ. not every cluster is for high performance computing.
[15:24] <ali1234> except with 10x the power usage
[15:25] <eatyourguitar> there were a lot of cellBE clusters made from PS3 with gigabit ethernet
[15:25] <Bilby> I think anyone who is building ARM clusters is just going to spec something made for it
[15:25] <eatyourguitar> only 256mb RAM! lol wut
[15:25] <eatyourguitar> the military was buying them up costing sony a lot of money
[15:26] <eatyourguitar> the sony business model was to recoup losses on consoles through game sales
[15:27] <niston> wasnt PS3 exports to some countries banned exactly for that reason?
[15:27] <niston> I think I remember something
[15:27] <eatyourguitar> so it was financial and technical success for one and disaster for another
[15:28] <niston> there was concerns about commie countries building supercomputers for nuclear research out of PS3's or something
[15:28] <eatyourguitar> <niston> ali1234: mainly due to lack of real high speed interfacing though
[15:28] <eatyourguitar> this is why gigabit ethernet is important
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[15:28] <theugster> Hrm... If you want a cluster, you could do worse than those $100 tablets from Microcenter. Quad Core Bay Trail processors, 2GB RAM, USB3 for a GigE adapter, and an x86 processor.
[15:28] <eatyourguitar> 32 new pi's is 32gb ram
[15:28] <ali1234> if you want high speed interfacing, get the compute module and put it in external memory mode, then wire a load of them up to shared memory
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[15:29] <eatyourguitar> thats a great idea
[15:29] <ali1234> the question though is why you even want a cluster
[15:29] <eatyourguitar> someone needs to make a board for that
[15:29] <ali1234> and if it isn't for HPC why do you need high speed interfacing?
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[15:29] <eatyourguitar> to ask the question
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[15:29] <eatyourguitar> and get the answer
[15:29] <eatyourguitar> 42
[15:30] <niston> haha xD
[15:30] <niston> external memory mode on the CM?
[15:31] <ali1234> i'm sure there's a reason they called it the compute module... and put it in a memory slot form factor...
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[15:31] <niston> shiftplusone: can you shed some light?
[15:31] <Dragonkeeper> what desktops envioments do people here use on the pi ?
[15:31] <shiftplusone> hm?
[15:31] <niston> "<ali1234> if you want high speed interfacing, get the compute module and put it in external memory mode,"
[15:31] <niston> am I missing something?
[15:32] <shiftplusone> what's the context? (too lazy to read scrollback)
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[15:32] <Bilby> Dragonkeeper all i've ever used is raspibian's default, but generally I don't use a GUI
[15:32] <ali1234> shiftplusone: secondary memory address/data bus mode (alt function 1) of the GPIO port
[15:32] <shiftplusone> oh, right.
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[15:33] <ali1234> with a bit of glue logic you should be able to wire up a lot of compute modules to a lot of shared memory
[15:33] <shiftplusone> yeah, so SMI. There's some investigation into what fancy things can be done with it going on.
[15:33] <ali1234> making a very high performance cluster
[15:33] <niston> it's still undocumented though?
[15:33] <Dragonkeeper> i dont genally use a gui unless i have a desktop but then its just something like awesomewm
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[15:34] <shiftplusone> aye
[15:34] <ali1234> undocumented?
[15:34] <Bilby> I wish I had spare monies, I really would like to get a Pi2 and compare desktop performance. It would me flipping amazing if they are fast enough for proper web work now
[15:34] <ali1234> is it not just mapped into the regular address space?
[15:34] <Dragonkeeper> define proper web work ^
[15:35] <Dragonkeeper> as in firefox ?
[15:35] <ali1234> there seems to be only 6 address lines and 17 data lines
[15:36] <ali1234> so that's not actually as useful as i thought
[15:36] <Bilby> Dragonkeeper google / gmail / wikipedia, that sort of thing, without feeling 'laggy'
[15:36] <niston> SMI thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=92233
[15:36] <ali1234> that's only 128 bytes of shared memory
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[15:37] <Dragonkeeper> Bilby: i dont use gmail myself i use mutt so .. yh but wikipedia seems fine
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[15:37] <[Saint]> Bilby: network and storage access is likely the limiter there, no?
[15:37] <[Saint]> neither of which would have changed.
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[15:38] <Bilby> I have one client that is a small nonprofit that works with kids. They had a bunch of old Dells with WinXP. I moved most of them over to mint linux on a stripped desktop to make a psuedo chromebox, but if i could install Pis it would be so much more space efficient
[15:38] <Bilby> [Saint] eh, not so much in this case. Internet connection speed is way less than even basic wifi, and they don't particularly need data storage. Just need to not feel slow when going to websites
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[15:39] <Dragonkeeper> i havnt run into anything id called a "problem" with rpi2 yet
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[15:40] <[Saint]> Try running Android on it. :p
[15:40] <Dragonkeeper> ha nah im good
[15:41] <shiftplusone> Or flash your windows 10 ISO onto the card
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[15:41] * Dragonkeeper facepalms
[15:43] <Dragonkeeper> sailfish would prob be closest thing to android id try but without a sim card or gsm .. no point
[15:43] <Bilby> Dragonkeeper overall does it feel faster?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> What, it runs windows 10, right? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/20150203_192822.jpg
[15:43] <[Saint]> Dragonkeeper: http://www.davidhunt.ie/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-smartphone/
[15:43] <Dragonkeeper> never tried the older models other than the cli . so i couldnt say
[15:44] <[Saint]> ...yep, someone really did that.
[15:44] <shiftplusone> Journalism! \O/
[15:45] <Dragonkeeper> yh i wouldnt have a problem with a phone running on pi .. its just i dont have the modules so phone OS's are useless to me , thats all
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[15:45] <[Saint]> Android != Phone
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[15:47] <Dragonkeeper> its an OS made to run on phones and ported to other devices
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[15:48] <[Saint]> Its also made to run on devices with zero telephony at all.
[15:48] <ozzzy> the cpu/gpu are made for smartphones... you'd think you could run any smartphone OS on them
[15:49] <[Saint]> ozzzy: that would imply implicit support from the chipset vendor.
[15:49] <[Saint]> glwt.
[15:49] <Dragonkeeper> why use android without telephony over raspbian ..
[15:49] <ozzzy> yeah... but as there's nothing off-the-wall about pi hardware that shouldn't be much of an issue
[15:50] <[Saint]> ha!
[15:50] <ozzzy> especially android... which is just linux with a pretty face
[15:50] <[Saint]> I...no.
[15:50] <[Saint]> Just, no.
[15:50] <ozzzy> hey... thats the good thing about choice.... don't like it, don't do it
[15:51] <ozzzy> I'll put win10 on when it comes out... just to see
[15:51] <ozzzy> or maybe not
[15:51] <Dragonkeeper> you sir are a crazy person
[15:51] <Dragonkeeper> xD
[15:51] <ozzzy> you're not the first person to imply that
[15:51] <ozzzy> LOL
[15:51] <ozzzy> if it won't run my hardware then it'll be a media centre... or not
[15:52] <[Saint]> Android is _extremely_ far removed from "just linux with a pretty face". As someone that spends a decent portion of time in active Android development, that's almost offensive. :)
[15:52] <Dragonkeeper> android sucks
[15:52] <Dragonkeeper> lolz
[15:52] <ozzzy> whether you like it or not... under android lies a linux kernel
[15:52] <[Saint]> and rather heavily modified one.
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[15:53] <[Saint]> but, lots of things that aren't Linux do.
[15:53] <[Saint]> your point?
[15:53] <[Saint]> and you've demonstrated your bias thanks, Dragonkeeper.
[15:53] <ozzzy> nothing really... just that android on pi isn't crazy (android 4 already is running on at least one)
[15:53] <Dragonkeeper> linux is a kernel not an OS
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[15:53] <ali1234> android is a linux userspace
[15:54] <[Saint]> ~
[15:55] * shiftplusone adds an entry on the "Ways to wind [Saint] up" list.
[15:55] <ozzzy> hehe
[15:55] <Bilby> lol
[15:55] <Dragonkeeper> ;)
[15:55] <ozzzy> falls under the category of 'everybody needs a hobby'
[15:55] <Bilby> I think android has/will have a place in the media player / small-thing-with-a-ui marketplace
[15:56] <ozzzy> Bilby, yep
[15:56] <[Saint]> Have you missed the past 4 years Bilby? :p
[15:56] <Bilby> for instance, it was much easier to flash a lightweight android image on my old smartphone and plug it into my stereo, compared to the gyrations I was going through to get decent sound out of my pi :P
[15:56] <Bilby> hah
[15:56] <Bilby> with two year smartphone upgrade cycles... yes?
[15:56] <[Saint]> there's no 'will", and, it has _dominated_ that market.
[15:56] * ozzzy doesn't have a smart phone
[15:57] <ali1234> the main difference between android and your typical desktop environment is that android is written to work with whatever drivers the chipset manufacturers poop out, where as the traditional desktops require specific drivers for x11
[15:57] * ozzzy 's phone is really dumb... and is connected to the wall with a wire
[15:57] <Dragonkeeper> java based .. enough said
[15:57] <Bilby> ozzzy h'aint nothin' wrong with that, if it fits your needs
[15:57] <Bilby> there are times i want to go back to that :P
[15:58] <[Saint]> Dragonkeeper: I assume you have a strong dislike for pretty much the entire Internet then, too, huh?
[15:58] <Bilby> There's a pretty cool touchscreen intefrace board for the pi that sparkfun has, i was watching a video on it this morning. only problem is it's $175 and you have to pre-program everything that displays on it
[15:58] <[Saint]> I mean, if we're hating on Java and all...
[15:58] <Dragonkeeper> the internet runs on linux not java
[15:59] <[Saint]> Please tell me you're trolling.
[15:59] <ali1234> seriously tho, java really is bad
[15:59] <Bilby> java is both democratic and symbolically democracy
[15:59] <shiftplusone> hmm... I'm a bit conflicted here. On one hand, I want to see where this goes. On the other hand it feels like I should put an end to this. =P
[15:59] <Dragonkeeper> how was that a trolling statement
[16:00] <Bilby> in that its advantage is that it will 'run on anything', and that it's the worst thing out there, except for everything else.
[16:00] <[Saint]> I'm going to insult someone really badly if I adress some of the stupid that's been brought up in the past few minutes.
[16:00] <[Saint]> So, I'll politely decline.
[16:00] <shiftplusone> wise choice
[16:01] <ozzzy> I remember an IBM product manager once saying that building PCs would be really stupid as nobody wanted them
[16:01] <niston> heh
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[16:05] <Bilby> and in 2012 he would be totally correct :P
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[16:06] <[Saint]> 2002?
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[16:07] <Dragonkeeper> o.O
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[16:07] <Bilby> Ehh, maybe 2008 would be closer. When inexpensive laptops became about equivalent in power to desktops, and mobile devices started taking over the userspace
[16:07] <[Saint]> sorry, odd backspace fail.
[16:08] <Bilby> ahaha no worries
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[16:08] <Armand> Bilby: You'll probably enjoy my DIY laptop design then. :)
[16:08] <[Saint]> but, either way, sales data suggests that hasn't ever been the case.
[16:10] <Dragonkeeper> you spend you time looking up sales data ?
[16:10] <[Saint]> I spend time having to.
[16:10] <Bilby> wait, are you saying that desktop sales have never been overcome by laptop / mobile sales, or that desktop sales have never been relevent?
[16:11] <ali1234> the weird thing about electronics sales is that it's much easier to sell people a new phone because it's on a contract
[16:11] <ali1234> so people "buy" a new phone every 24 months
[16:11] <Dragonkeeper> i fail to see the topic here
[16:11] <ali1234> they buy a new PC/tablet/laptop when the old one breaks, and they always have
[16:11] <[Saint]> Bilby: I'm not saying either. What I am saying, is that its quite clear, that the populous as a whole still has a very firmly set market for desktop PCs.
[16:12] <ali1234> right, PC market hasn't changed, phone market just grew
[16:12] <Armand> [Saint]: Quite right.
[16:12] <[Saint]> And that's showing no signs of change,
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[16:12] <Bilby> The business and corporate sector, absolutely
[16:12] <[Saint]> And the home sector.
[16:12] <[Saint]> and education...
[16:12] <[Saint]> ali1234 summed it up nicely.
[16:13] <[Saint]> 'right, PC market hasn't changed, phone market just grew'
[16:13] <Armand> More so in home and education, I'd wager.. as businesses can be more flexible.
[16:13] <ali1234> (and it's because people get a new, "free" phone for resigning that contract)
[16:14] <ali1234> business users don't want to do their spreadsheets on a mobile phone, they just don't
[16:14] <[Saint]> Thankfully, though, my current position of employment is gloriously free from such cares and all I do all day could be done by a suitably built robot.
[16:14] <[Saint]> (but thankfully isn't)
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[16:14] <Bilby> eh, I'm not finding any good numbers with a quick search, so i'll take your word on it. I just know there are a damned site fewer households I can think of that have desktops compared to a decade ago
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[16:15] <ali1234> Bilby: the distinction between desktop and laptop is not a meaningful one
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[16:15] <ali1234> the distinction between PC, tablet, and phones is more useful
[16:15] <Bilby> I was specifically speaking of desktops vs laptops, but i get your meaning
[16:15] <Dragonkeeper> thankfully im not human and just text on a screen
[16:16] * Armand deletes Dragonkeeper
[16:16] <ali1234> sure, people don't buy huge desktop computers any more
[16:16] <Armand> muhaha?
[16:16] <ali1234> i'll give you that, no question
[16:16] <Bilby> and while i know a few people who don't have computers but have smartphones, it has more to do with the money than desire
[16:16] <ali1234> but that's because laptops do exactly the same thing now
[16:16] <Armand> ali1234: Err... Yeah, they do
[16:16] <ali1234> Armand: gamers do, that's about it
[16:16] <Armand> lol
[16:16] <Bilby> Gamers and businesses
[16:16] <Armand> Guess how many full desktop PCs we have in the office...
[16:16] <Bilby> and big businesses anymore are going with thin clients for a lot of non-CPU-intensive desks
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[16:16] <Armand> I'll give you a hint.. 100%
[16:16] <ali1234> businesses not so much, unless the business is like "digital special effects" or something :)
[16:17] <Armand> Ohh, actually.. scratch that. We've ONE Mac user.
[16:17] <Bilby> with the @##$%$ liscecing from microsoft anymore, a thin client is as cheap or cheaper than a desktop
[16:17] <Armand> One of those gawd awful AIO machines. :/
[16:17] <Bilby> Armand better than the other way around. Trust me X|
[16:17] <ali1234> business users are now often using laptops that they dock to their monitor and keyboard at work
[16:17] <Armand> Bilby: Indeed.. I wouldn't be here if it were all Mac. :P
[16:17] <ali1234> the big monitor and keyboard is still useful, the huge tower case is not
[16:18] <Bilby> ali1234 it depends on the market and segment. a lot of middle-management does that
[16:18] <Bilby> and granted there is a LOT of middle-management. for some bleeping reason
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[16:36] <DF3D2> so I just got my pi2 and made a micro sd card, the only output that shows on my monitor is a screen with like a color gradiant on it ?
[16:36] <DF3D2> this is connected via hdmi
[16:37] <shiftplusone> kernel loading trouble.
[16:38] <DF3D2> http://openelec.tv/get-openelec
[16:38] <shiftplusone> how did you 'make' the card?
[16:38] <DF3D2> I used openelec 5.01 disk image
[16:38] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, win32 disk imager on windows
[16:38] <shiftplusone> the pi 2 one or pi 1 one?
[16:38] <DF3D2> pi2
[16:38] <shiftplusone> what's the filename?
[16:38] <DF3D2> http://releases.openelec.tv/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-5.0.1.img.gz
[16:38] <DF3D2> i extracted the .img file
[16:39] <shiftplusone> so you just lied
[16:39] <DF3D2> oh i see
[16:39] <DF3D2> no I just got too excited
[16:39] <shiftplusone> http://releases.openelec.tv/OpenELEC-RPi2.arm-5.0.1.img.gz
[16:39] <DF3D2> didnt pay attention
[16:39] <DF3D2> yeah lol
[16:39] <DF3D2> sorry :-p
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[16:41] <shiftplusone> Hmm... someone asking if pi 2 is compatible with b+ heatsinks O_o
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[16:44] <Vanfanel> hi. Does someone here know why the callback function I pass to vc_dispmanx_update_submit() is called immediately? It should be called on vsync, not immediately.
[16:44] <niston> lol the heatsink crew strikes back?
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[16:45] <shiftplusone> There is an argument to be made for heatsinks on a pi2. But asking if a bit of metal is compatible is a bit strange.
[16:45] <niston> anyway
[16:45] <niston> off to skewl
[16:45] <niston> l8rs :)
[16:46] <ShorTie> they may thought they had to be plastic
[16:46] <ozzzy> shiftplusone, the temp my Pi runs at is the same with/without the heat sinks
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[16:48] <shiftplusone> yes, at best there's a few degrees difference. But that's mostly the tiny ones people buy and stick into cases where there's no airflow. If you have a decent heatsink and a little bit of airflow, it should help.
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[16:54] <DF3D2> just slapped openelec on the pi2, 1080p video seems to work okay kodi menu is choppy when it's playing but ive got an android phone I can use as a remote anyway
[16:54] <DF3D2> audio passthrough works it seems
[16:55] <DF3D2> it has some color gradiant box in the top right of the video though not understanding why
[16:55] <DF3D2> keeps coming and going
[16:55] <shiftplusone> DF3D2, your power supply isn't up to scratch
[16:55] <shiftplusone> or the cable it's connected through is bad.
[16:56] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, ahh okay thank you! im just powering it with a usb port of another pc now
[16:56] <DF3D2> let me try some other options
[16:56] <shiftplusone> well there's your problem
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[16:58] <Draylor> heh, standard 2012 problems :)
[16:58] <ali1234> i just noticed something
[16:59] <ali1234> the peripherals datasheet is single sided
[16:59] <ali1234> that's really weird
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[17:00] <DF3D2> shiftplusone, yeah that cable sucks I guess
[17:01] <DF3D2> switched to a samsung usb cable/wall plug thing and it works now
[17:01] <NGC3982> How can a Kodi menu become choppy?
[17:01] <NGC3982> No N-core support?
[17:01] <DF3D2> mouse on kodi and stuff is still choppy though
[17:01] <NGC3982> ..Yet?
[17:01] <DF3D2> NGC3982, it should be quad core compliant
[17:01] <DF3D2> i downloaded the rpi2 version of openelec
[17:02] <DF3D2> its odd
[17:02] <DF3D2> the cpu usage isnt high
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[17:02] <DF3D2> and the main kodi menus arent choppy, just the actual video progress bar menu etc
[17:02] <NGC3982> It feels like a compability error.
[17:02] <NGC3982> Ok.
[17:02] <DF3D2> video is smooth though
[17:02] <DF3D2> 1080p w/ DTS sound
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[17:05] <Vanfanel> hi. Does someone here know why the callback function I pass to vc_dispmanx_update_submit() is called immediately? It should be called on vsync, not immediately.
[17:05] <Vanfanel> btw, what's a good chanel to ask about internal Rpi APIs?
[17:05] <shiftplusone> Your approach of hitting them all isn't bad
[17:06] <shiftplusone> But I think you're better of opening issues on github if something doesn't behave the way you'd expect.
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[17:07] <Vanfanel> shiftplusone: I'm in a bit of a hurry for response this time, but I guess I'll have to go the github issue way :P
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[17:07] <Vanfanel> shiftplusone: do you know someone who's into dispmanx around?
[17:07] <shiftplusone> No, sorry.
[17:09] <Vanfanel> shiftplusone: thanks, I'll try to reach popcornmix on github then
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[17:10] <shiftplusone> Don't expect great response times right now. We're all working on polishing out issues affecting pi 2, so it's a little busy right now.
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[17:10] <Vanfanel> shiftplusone: ouch :( Well, it's for a good cause I guess, the Pi2 is my dream board :P
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[17:14] <Bilby> shiftplusone who is "We"? did someone get hired at the raspi foundation? ;)
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[17:14] <shiftplusone> a while back someone did
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[17:15] <DF3D2> so to get quadcore support + be able to install other stuff I need raspbian right?
[17:15] <DF3D2> I need xbmc+mpd+ncmpcpp
[17:16] <Bilby> right now raspibian is the only one with official support. to the best of my knowledge everything else will work but you won't get the most out of the new hardware
[17:16] <DF3D2> Bilby, yeah open elec has an rpi2 version but it doesnt let you install anything else
[17:16] <DF3D2> which sucks for me
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[17:18] <Bilby> fahail
[17:18] <DF3D2> ?
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[17:19] <abnormal> means: fail and hail
[17:19] <DF3D2> I see
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[17:20] <abnormal> just have to trial / error the OS's and see which one does best for you
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[17:20] <DF3D2> raspbian should work
[17:20] <DF3D2> just gotta add this xbmc repo and install/configure it and and mpd
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[17:20] <DF3D2> im super excited to ditch my Matx sized htpcs
[17:20] <erming> hey, quick question: i got an AC adapter that says 5V===0.5A. i know i've used this before for Raspberry 1.. will it work for Raspberry 2? or do i need a more powerful adapter?
[17:20] <DF3D2> I think you need 1 amp
[17:20] <abnormal> for the new B-2, I am going to try Tahrpup on it...
[17:20] <DF3D2> I just had power issues my self until I switched to a samsung wallplug adapter
[17:20] <Getterac7> erming: rpi2 requires slightly more power than the B+... suggested at least 1amp
[17:21] <erming> hmm, i guess i just buy a new adapter then
[17:21] <erming> thanks
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[17:21] <abnormal> erming, best ones are in Adafruit.com
[17:22] <erming> going to get my raspberry from a shop nearby, so i'm going to snag something from them instead of ordering
[17:22] <Bilby> abnormal / DF3D2 fahail = fail with an emphasized syllable. May be a reigonal thing.
[17:22] <erming> woa, solar panels on adafruit
[17:22] <erming> that looks cool :D
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[17:22] <abnormal> oh cool, ty Bilby
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[17:24] <Bilby> the only hailing i do is for Cesar. or if there are balls of ice falling outsidee
[17:26] <DF3D2> man this thing is really cool
[17:27] <DF3D2> gonna buy a few more
[17:28] <teclo-> Hi, when running PiMAME, what kind of joystick do I need ? Will any "USB joystick" work ?
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[17:30] <abnormal> yeh, I shop mostly at Adafruit.com and Newark.com (element14.com)
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[17:35] <abnormal> ok time for me to head to Barnes and Nobles... :)
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[17:49] <DJRWolf> Anyone try BOINC on the new Pi 2?
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[18:02] <BobFrankly> anybody seen pi2 emu performance?
[18:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/taps-monitor-is-this-thing-on/
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[18:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> 150k sold on tuesday
[18:02] <uriah> nice
[18:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> forums have just melted again
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[18:04] <uriah> :(
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[18:07] <DF3D2> hm so i got xbmc installed on my rpi2 w/ raspbian but x264 doesnt seem to work
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[18:08] <uriah> DF3D2: did you try using raspbmc instead?
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[18:09] <DF3D2> uriah, I don't want to, because it isnt optimized for rpi2 yet and I need a full fledges os
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[18:10] <uriah> ah ok
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[18:13] <DF3D2> kodi should pull in ffmpeg with the install so im not sure what the issue is
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[18:14] <DJRWolf> Anyone try BOINC on the new Pi 2??
[18:14] <uriah> uh, does ffmpeg have the optimizations for the raspi's gpu?
[18:15] <uriah> i mean does it actually use the gpu?
[18:15] <shiftplusone> nope
[18:15] <uriah> k
[18:15] <uriah> what DF3D2 would need is omxplayer then
[18:15] <uriah> and configuration of kodi to use it...
[18:16] <DF3D2> hm
[18:16] <DF3D2> omxplayer is what it uses on the rpi ?
[18:16] <DF3D2> http://michael.gorven.za.net/raspberrypi/xbmc I had followed that
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[18:16] <blib> any news on pi 2 availability in the US?
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[18:17] <DF3D2> I bought one from newark.com
[18:17] <blib> DF3D2: when?
[18:18] <DF3D2> 3 days ago I got it already
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[18:18] <blib> nice
[18:18] <blib> DF3D2: what are you running on it?
[18:18] <DF3D2> raspbian trying to get xbmc to work now
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[18:19] <blib> DF3D2: I heard people are running debian on it - without much mods?
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[18:20] <blib> DF3D2: do you know if the pi 2 has a breadboard that is nice to work with? (preferably the pins are all annotated)
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[18:20] <DF3D2> i havent really checked it out yet there are pics of it online
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[18:23] <[Saint]> A breadboard is a breadboard is a breadboard.
[18:24] <shiftplusone> don't know why, but 'breadboard' is making me hungry.
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[18:26] <azizLIGHT> Sounds delicious
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[18:27] <DF3D2> http://xbmclogs.com/show.php?id=414806
[18:27] <DF3D2> hmm some omxplayer issue
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> heh
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[18:39] <uriah> i really hate broadcom
[18:39] <uriah> and their shitty drivers
[18:39] <uriah> and blobs
[18:41] <TheWarden> Hello
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[18:42] <TheWarden> I have an old compaq laptop I believe kicking around and its really just good for parts only. I was thinking can I take the screen off it and hook it up to the Raspberry Pi directly? I realize I will need to search online for pinouts but once I find that
[18:42] <TheWarden> I should be able to wiring it directly to the Raspberry Pi correct?
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[18:42] <pksato> TheWarden: no.
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[18:42] <TheWarden> pksato: really? I need a controller board?
[18:42] <pksato> need a LCD controller board.
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[18:43] <pksato> except if really old display and have a rgb ttl interface.
[18:43] <TheWarden> dang it... I guess I'll need to some how do some research on this then to figure out what board to get.
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[18:43] <TheWarden> mmm yeah I have to dig it out and see. I don't recall the age of it.
[18:44] <pksato> and wire a gert's VGA to it. but, its is impossible to happens.
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[18:50] <pksato> TheWarden: some clue http://www.adwiens.com/projects/electronics/11/index.html
[18:52] <doomlord_1> can anyone recomend a place to download raspbian (for rpi2).. the 'official' place seems down ?
[18:52] <doomlord_1> i've so
[18:53] <doomlord_1> i've downloaded *something*, shoved it on the card, booted, and it does something but ends with kernel panic ('unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(..)
[18:53] <doomlord_1> could i have the wrong image, or did i make a mistake setting it up
[18:53] <benighted> doomlord_1, what kind of SD card and have you used it in Pi before?
[18:54] <doomlord_1> 32mb 100mb/sec microsd bought today
[18:54] <benighted> Which http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
[18:54] <doomlord_1> tried initially, following the guide (from a mac) - no result; tried again first *formating it* , and that actually does something
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[18:57] <doomlord_1> i read 'a problem with class 10 hihgh speed cards, this has been fixed' ... its' a 100mb/sec card; and its' an rpi2 .. i hope thats ok..
[18:57] <clever> doomlord_1: 32mb sounds a bit too small to use for a pi
[18:57] <doomlord_1> 32gb sorry
[18:57] <doomlord_1> typo
[18:57] <doomlord_1> oh there is one detail.. when I ran 'dd' .. i left it for about 15mins.. and 'ctrl-C'd' it.
[18:58] <benighted> doomlord_1, tjat cpi;d dp ot
[18:58] <clever> so you didnt copy the entire image to the card
[18:58] <benighted> doomlord_1, that would do it.. if I could find my homrow
[18:58] <doomlord_1> i did some crude maths. 32gb / 100mb/sec = 5mins. at 15mins i thought 'sod it..'
[18:58] <benighted> doomlord_1, re-run the dd let it finish and then run 'sudo sync'
[18:59] <doomlord_1> ok. can i make it quicker with partitioning (not writing 32gb)
[18:59] <clever> doomlord_1: you can tell dd to give a progress report if you send it signal USR1
[18:59] <doomlord_1> does that work on mac
[18:59] <clever> doomlord_1: how big is the image file you downloaded?
[19:00] <theugster> Aww, it's a Mac. I was going to suggest pipebench
[19:00] <TheWarden> pksato: thanks
[19:01] <doomlord_1> 3,276,800,000 bytes-3gb; 680,525,824 bytes transfered (0.6gb), it told me. That'll be it. I'll need to leave it a lot longer it seems.
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[19:02] <doomlord_1> it tells me 1.4mb/sec , ouch
[19:02] <clever> doomlord_1: in a second terminal window, do 'pidof dd', does it return a single number?
[19:02] <benighted> clever, can you elaborate on the USR1 comment?
[19:03] <theugster> http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/5440/check-the-status-of-dd-in-progress-os-x
[19:03] <theugster> killall -INFO dd should do it on a Mac
[19:03] <doomlord_1> i do have a linux machine around, i could try there later
[19:03] <clever> ah, slightly different
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[19:03] <clever> benighted: read the link theugster pasted
[19:04] <clever> ctrl+t looks like the simplest answer
[19:04] <benighted> clever, am... I've used pv -tpreb before, but never the others
[19:04] <doomlord_1> i read about 'pv' for linux.. i guess i should just be patient now, knowing in 15mins it only did 0.6gb of 3gb
[19:04] <theugster> Indeed, I've not tried that before
[19:04] <doomlord_1> yikes. is there a smaller image i can try
[19:04] <clever> ah pv, i keep loosing that one
[19:05] <doomlord_1> i'll kick this off then get looking for another image
[19:05] <benighted> doomlord_1, the longer you are asking about it taking less time the more time it will take... Just set it and go do something for 20 minutes to half hour
[19:05] <doomlord_1> yeah i'll do that, then start looking again..
[19:06] <benighted> doomlord_1, which image you download?
[19:06] <doomlord_1> all i can tell you is its' filename is 2015-1-31-raspbian.img
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[19:07] <doomlord_1> i downloaded it yesterday (from where, i can't remember) then discovered i had an SD instead of MicroSD. today i picked up a microsd
[19:08] <doomlord_1> i read something about ctrl-t 'reporting progress'..
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[19:09] <pksato> TheWarden: and, some trying similar aproach to control LCD direct from RPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=86658
[19:09] <doomlord_1> ok thats going, and indeed, ctrl-t makes it tell me.
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[19:09] <pksato> see last two pages.
[19:10] <theugster> doomlord_1: Did you set a block size? Also, what was the output of that command?
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[19:11] <doomlord_1> i'd made the mistake of not actually reading the output. it said 0.6gb had been transfered. there's my error, its a 3.2gb image :)
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[19:11] <doomlord_1> ctrl-t will cure my impatience, i can see its' actually doing something and hasn't just frozen
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[19:12] <doomlord_1> bs=1m is part of he commandline... i've copied this from some guide ~$ sudo dd bs=1m if=/Users/walter/Desktop/2015-01-31-raspbian.img of=/dev/disk3
[19:13] <theugster> Ahh, good. That was going to be my final suggestion, I hate waiting too. Especially staring at a blank screen. It's amazing how much of an effect a progress bar has, even if its fake
[19:14] <doomlord_1> heh. ctrl-t actually giving a number works for me.
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[19:16] <doomlord_1> i'm guessing synergy works on the rpi, has anyone used it?
[19:18] <ppq> yes, synergy works fine on almost any linux
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[19:22] <doomlord_1> 33% done..
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[19:27] <Encapsulation> any us stock for rpi2?
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[19:28] <c03> hi
[19:28] <Encapsulation> how can we help you?
[19:28] <c03> I'm trying to run snes9x on my arch linux pi model b+
[19:28] <c03> but I get this dump http://pastebin.com/r8rWTD3X
[19:29] <Encapsulation> thats supposed to be run in x window
[19:29] <Encapsulation> gui
[19:29] <c03> I have emulationstation up and running
[19:29] <Encapsulation> Failed to connect to X server.
[19:29] <Encapsulation> just a guess though
[19:29] <Encapsulation> are yuou running it from xorg?
[19:29] <c03> nope
[19:29] <Encapsulation> is it a console application? or gui
[19:30] <Encapsulation> looks like it wants x window for gui
[19:30] <benighted> c03, have you tried launching through emulation station?
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[19:31] <VoIP_Student> has anyone gotten a Pi2 to ship yet?
[19:31] <c03> benighted: yes, no cigar
[19:31] <VoIP_Student> nobody has a pi2 on the way?
[19:32] <VoIP_Student> anyone try?
[19:32] * BobFrankly is ordering form allied
[19:32] <BobFrankly> looks like a ten day backorder
[19:32] <VoIP_Student> ok, i dont feel so bad now lol
[19:32] <y007ghg7> VoIP_Student, there was someone from MCM electronics on reddit that had one
[19:33] <VoIP_Student> i ordered from newark, looks like feb 23rd is the shipdate
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[19:33] <K4N3> evening, I need to cross compile raspbian to get egalax touchscreen working for new v2 pi, anything special i need to consider now its v7 arm?
[19:33] <Getterac7> VoIP_Student: i have a Pi2... played with it last night.
[19:33] <y007ghg7> heh, I heard newark only ordered 8000 and didn't expect the ammount of people that wanted one
[19:33] <pksato> first batch out of stock quick.
[19:33] <K4N3> i have one also, ordered 6.30 am from RS in UK
[19:34] <K4N3> they had 25,000 in stock, all gone within 24 hours
[19:34] <Getterac7> you guys should have come with me to the store... there was a bunch sitting on the shelf. http://imgur.com/YkDSHuf
[19:34] <shauno> c03, you probably need to look at something like https://github.com/chep/snes9x-rpi (which is what retropie uses). or at the very least, make sure your version is built for sdl rather than X
[19:35] <VoIP_Student> wow
[19:35] <VoIP_Student> u ship over seas?
[19:35] <y007ghg7> heh Getterac7 any more left :P?
[19:35] <VoIP_Student> how much was that?
[19:35] <VoIP_Student> lol dude what store was that?
[19:35] <VoIP_Student> not best buy?
[19:35] <y007ghg7> MCM electronics
[19:36] <Getterac7> Microcenter... in Cleveland Ohio USA
[19:36] <y007ghg7> oh
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[19:36] <VoIP_Student> humm, i wonder if tiger direct...
[19:36] <Getterac7> it's odd... Microcenter's website doesn't list the Pi2, but they had them on the shelf.
[19:36] <VoIP_Student> lol
[19:37] <VoIP_Student> dont have many prolly
[19:37] <VoIP_Student> radioshack?
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[19:37] <BobFrankly> radioshack is dying
[19:37] <y007ghg7> ^
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[19:38] <benighted> VoIP_Student, my ESD is 20 days
[19:38] <y007ghg7> hmmm EastLight do I know you?
[19:39] <BobFrankly> pi 2 now on order, aiming to add to my custom arcade joystick
[19:39] <y007ghg7> doubt you are the one I know sadly...
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[19:39] <EastLight> y007ghg7, not sure - I don't recognise your nick though
[19:40] <y007ghg7> I have a friend on steam with the same name
[19:40] <EastLight> ah,okay, probably not me
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[19:40] <VoIP_Student> look like i have to wait :(
[19:41] <Getterac7> I played around with the Pi2 last night with Raspbian... sadly the browser crashed frequently, although it could play youtube videos okay.
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[19:41] <BobFrankly> I saw a youtube video with rpi2 running a psx emulator
[19:41] <VoIP_Student> mull, your a life saver bro, it was there but wasnt showing even with hidden files beign shown
[19:41] <BobFrankly> looked solid
[19:41] <VoIP_Student> wrong room lol
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[19:49] <benighted> BobFrankly, wonder if that means n64 will work..
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[19:50] <Tenkawa> hi all
[19:50] <Getterac7> benighted: there was a video of Mario Kart 64 working on Pi2
[19:50] <doomlord_1> ok it seems to be working now :)
[19:51] <benighted> Getterac7, ooh... specifically interested in banjo kazooie and conkers bad fur day
[19:51] <Tenkawa> so any opinions on the new hardware yet?
[19:51] <benighted> Getterac7, good sign though
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[19:52] <benighted> Tenkawa, think the consensus was A) Why was the B+ released instead of this last year B) why no gigabit C) why no ddr3
[19:52] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: pretty great hardware, but still very early and buggy software... also excited that there is the possibility for Android to run on Pi2.
[19:52] <benighted> Tenkawa, otherwise a great addition
[19:52] <Tenkawa> benighted: good points
[19:52] <doomlord_1> whats the enabler for android
[19:52] <doomlord_1> armv7?
[19:52] <Getterac7> doomlord_1: ARMv7
[19:52] <Tenkawa> Getterac7: what part is "buggy"
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[19:53] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: I tried Raspbian last night and the browser crashed about every 5 minutes.
[19:53] <Tenkawa> ahh
[19:54] <Tenkawa> I'm going to be picking up a unit or two as soon as they are avail here
[19:54] <Tenkawa> usually takes about a week for our store here (microcenter) to get them
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[19:55] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: i picked up one from Microcenter in Ohio yesterday.
[19:55] <Tenkawa> Getterac7: really?
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[19:55] <Tenkawa> not col by chance?'
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[19:55] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: Columbus is sold out i believe... got mine in cleveland.. http://imgur.com/YkDSHuf
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[19:55] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[19:55] <Tenkawa> darn it
[19:56] <Tenkawa> do you have the sku handy?
[19:56] <Tenkawa> so I can try to pop it in the lookup tool?
[19:56] <Tenkawa> description wasnt able to find it here
[19:56] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: that picture i linked should have the numbers?
[19:56] <Tenkawa> oh ok
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[19:56] <Encapsulation> you're lucky you can buy rpi locally
[19:57] <Encapsulation> no such place here that I know of
[19:57] <Tenkawa> Encapsulation: indeed
[19:57] <Tenkawa> I get all my beagle stuff there too
[19:57] <benighted> funny I saw the B+ in an army surplus store not too long ago
[19:57] <Getterac7> yes, very lucky to live near Microcenter, and that they stock Pi's.
[19:57] <benighted> ripoff price of 60 bucks though
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[19:58] <Encapsulation> I have a pi1 that arrived 2 days ago, my product prototype ready for the pi, but since the pi2 just came out for same price I'm considering returning pi 1 for pi 2
[19:58] <Tenkawa> Getterac7: so not fair
[19:58] <Tenkawa> hehehehe
[19:58] <Encapsulation> not sure how long I'd end up waiting though
[19:58] <Getterac7> :P
[19:59] <Armand> I was so very tempted to order the Pi2 today, but then I remembered that I'm pestering my wife for 4x C1s. :P
[19:59] <Tenkawa> I've got 3 sd's ready to go too
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[20:00] <Tenkawa> If these rpi2's are as good as they read I might be able to finally stop using my bbb's
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[20:00] <Tenkawa> still would like native debian
[20:00] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: i might eventually buy a second one to replace my mom's ancient pentium4 desktop :P
[20:01] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys quick question if I install transmission daemon can I still add transmission UI?
[20:01] <Tenkawa> Getterac7: it could definitely do that and you could mount it in the monitor case and buikd it as an all in one
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[20:01] <Tenkawa> hehheheheh
[20:02] <Getterac7> hehe, would be awesome.
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[20:02] <Encapsulation> looks like it would only be $2.50 to return my pi1
[20:02] <floreal> Hello
[20:02] <Tenkawa> Encapsulation: not bad
[20:02] <Encapsulation> but is there even anywhere to buy pi2 right now in the usa?
[20:02] <Encapsulation> online, I mean
[20:02] <Tenkawa> Getterac7: yeah... I was thinking about it last night and was like "why not try it"
[20:02] <Encapsulation> or reasonable shipping to us
[20:02] <y007ghg7> Encapsulation, a few brick and morter stores have them on shelves
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[20:02] <Tenkawa> Encapsulation: mcm
[20:03] <Tenkawa> mcm should have them I think
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[20:03] <floreal> Anyone from the fondation here ?
[20:03] <Tenkawa> dont quote me though
[20:03] <Encapsulation> 10 dollars shipping =\
[20:03] <Tenkawa> ouch
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[20:04] <Encapsulation> and backordered 10 days
[20:04] <Encapsulation> I wonder if it's even worth it. I could be spending time coding instead of waiting for hardware
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[20:04] <Tenkawa> I'm building up stuff on my existing ones and just plan on clonning the cards and tweak
[20:04] <Getterac7> Here are the videos of N64 and PSX working on Pi2.. http://redd.it/2ur2iw
[20:05] <Tenkawa> er cloning
[20:05] <Tenkawa> psx really?
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[20:05] <Tenkawa> nice
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[20:05] <Encapsulation> I burned up my spare pi with a cheap ebay hbridge and lack of knowledge
[20:05] <Getterac7> i might have to turn mine into a retro emulator.
[20:05] <Tenkawa> oh boy... here comes more fun weather
[20:05] <Tenkawa> uggh
[20:05] <Encapsulation> it actually sent 12v back out the input pins
[20:06] <Tenkawa> Encapsulation: ouch.. I had one of my bbb's kinda do that
[20:06] <Tenkawa> Getterac7: did I read correctly that this new cpu can run debian proper now?
[20:06] <benighted> I remember before N64 games would just straight up crash
[20:07] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: yeah, debian releases an armv7 build, i believe.
[20:07] <Tenkawa> well.. up to now hard float from debian would not run on rpi
[20:07] <Tenkawa> these were all v6 up until this one right?
[20:08] * Tenkawa is trying to remember the version history stories
[20:10] <Getterac7> Tenkawa: i think this is the build that might work on Pi2... https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort
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[20:11] <Tenkawa> cool
[20:11] <Tenkawa> as long as its a armv7 it should
[20:12] <Tenkawa> the problem is the old pi's were armv6 from my memory/understanding
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[20:12] <Encapsulation> why doesntr best buy stock pi
[20:13] <TheWarden> pksato: ahh okay. thanks.
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[20:14] <benighted> Encapsulation, backroom deals with Apple, MS and Google?
[20:15] <benighted> Encapsulation, oh and Samsung, HP, etc etc
[20:15] <Tenkawa> well darn
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[20:15] <benighted> Encapsulation, pre-2000 that was referred to as anticompetitive business practice, but that doesn't apply anymore
[20:16] <Tenkawa> microcenter online search for raspberry pi 2 won't bring it up.. anyone got to sku handy for it?
[20:16] <sudormrf> hey guys, just confirming that raspberry pi b+ cases fit the pi2. looks like they should, is that correct?
[20:16] <djazz> OpenELEC (xbmc, now Kodi) running on my RPi2: http://imgur.com/a/TSfOx
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[20:16] <sudormrf> djazz, awesome!
[20:16] <djazz> the ui feels A LOT smoother to use, even when BlyRay-quality movie is playing
[20:16] <sudormrf> djazz, yes yes yes. this is what I want :D
[20:17] <sudormrf> so are the cases the same for the B+ and the 2?
[20:17] <djazz> :)
[20:17] <djazz> sudormrf: yes, except if they "frame" the cpu
[20:17] <benighted> djazz, you have a heatsink on the CPU?
[20:17] <Tenkawa> time to call the store
[20:17] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[20:17] <djazz> benighted: no, but it gets quite hot
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[20:17] <benighted> djazz, noticed that
[20:17] <Getterac7> sudormrf: pi B+ case will fit over the Pi2, except if the plastic molds touch the cpu... most should be fine.
[20:17] <djazz> not much hotter than previous pi's though
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[20:18] <sudormrf> Getterac7, would that cause issues if one wanted to add heatsinks?
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[20:18] <benighted> djazz, if that is stock, wouldn't want to overheat... whatever potential gains would be lost in overheating probably
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[20:18] <Getterac7> sudormrf: if there is plastic that form fits the cpu, you can't add heatsinks either way... It's like 1mm higher cpu or something, it's not much different... shouldn't be an issue.
[20:18] <djazz> yeah
[20:19] <benighted> djazz, geez - I meant OC
[20:19] <benighted> djazz, that's what I get for not using the acronym
[20:19] <sudormrf> Getterac7, ok. :)
[20:19] <djazz> benighted: not sure if OpenELEC overclocks by default
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[20:20] <benighted> djazz, me either - wow, CPU speed 600MHz on your hwinfo screenshot
[20:20] <benighted> djazz, so 51C at 600mhz... that is suprising
[20:21] <shauno> heatsinks might actually work better with the 2, since you can stick one on the cpu now
[20:21] <djazz> benighted: lol, yeah, idk
[20:21] <sudormrf> what the literal hell
[20:21] <sudormrf> why is everyone charging $10 for shipping?
[20:21] <sudormrf> that is 1/3 the price of the unit
[20:21] <sudormrf> not buying
[20:21] <benighted> sudormrf, I hear you.. I could buy 10 with 20 dollar shipping but just need one, so getting it through the uprights
[20:22] <BobFrankly> better then amazon retailers, 54 dollars for an rpi2, AND 10 S&H
[20:22] <Getterac7> benighted: the cpu will underclock if it's lower demanding software... you'll only see it spike to the full speed when the cpu is maxed out.
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[20:23] <Tenkawa> 3 left out of 10 in store
[20:23] <benighted> Getterac7, understood, but 51C at 600mhz, would assume it would be 70C at 900mhz
[20:23] <sudormrf> BobFrankly, saw that
[20:23] <Tenkawa> no chance I'll get there before they are gone I bet
[20:23] <Getterac7> benighted: aah, gotcha... yeah no idea
[20:23] <sudormrf> benighted, yeah this is just silly
[20:24] <djazz> benighted: no overclock/underclock in config.txt
[20:24] <benighted> sudormrf, no morals at all lol
[20:24] <djazz> uh, what is the "turbo" for pi2?
[20:24] <djazz> raspi-config had a pi2 option
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[20:24] <sudormrf> mcm is trying to charge $16 for shipping
[20:24] <sudormrf> seriously
[20:24] <Encapsulation> lol
[20:24] <sudormrf> what the actual fuck. excuse my language.
[20:24] <ozzzy> lots of people charge more than that
[20:24] <sudormrf> $16 for 2, $10 for 1.
[20:25] <sudormrf> that is ludicrous
[20:25] <benighted> djazz, would be interested to see thermal benchmarks and what a 1.1-2ghz overclock would do to it
[20:25] <Encapsulation> I need rpi2 in the usa right now shipped in 3 days or less for 35 free shipping
[20:25] <sudormrf> it costs them MAYBE $5 to ship
[20:25] <ozzzy> good luck
[20:25] <benighted> Encapsulation, you will receive none
[20:25] <ozzzy> sudormrf, then don't do biz with them [shrug]
[20:25] <ozzzy> shipping is shipping
[20:25] <sudormrf> this feels like the skeevy ebay scam where they charge you $.01 for the item and then charge $150 for shipping
[20:25] <sudormrf> ozzzy, all of the sellers I am seeing are doing this :S
[20:25] <BobFrankly> you're saving so much by buying a rpi2 that you can splurge on shipping - "Scrooge McDuck"
[20:25] <sudormrf> BobFrankly, lol
[20:26] <ozzzy> I shipped a small package to Spain.... $15 by post... $105 by USP next day... the guy wanted it and he paid as much to ship as the part was worth
[20:26] <benighted> sudormrf, they can't make margin off the pi so they get you on shipping... the world we know after apple
[20:26] <jkridner> Tenkawa: BeagleBone Black has been on sale there for $39.99 for most of the Dec/Jan.
[20:26] <sudormrf> the thing is that the shipping they are listing is a flat rate
[20:26] <sudormrf> I haven't entered my zip code
[20:26] <sudormrf> benighted, ha
[20:26] <Tenkawa> jkridner: yeah I picked up a few of them
[20:26] <ozzzy> sudormrf, I paid $20 shipping.... not outrageous
[20:26] <ozzzy> a lot of companies do THAT too
[20:27] <sudormrf> ozzzy, that is outrageous
[20:27] <sudormrf> how many did you order?
[20:27] <sudormrf> "super saver shipping $9.99".
[20:27] <sudormrf> outrageous
[20:27] <Tenkawa> if I'm going to go completely headless.. what cpu/gpu speeds can the current b+ rpi units run at with good power bit too hot?
[20:27] <Tenkawa> er bit/not
[20:27] <ozzzy> shipping is what we pay the shipper so we have a flat-rate contract... it's determined in talks with the shipper
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[20:28] <ozzzy> they make more on the next-door shipping and less on the cross-country shipping and it all works out
[20:28] <benighted> I just wish there were good, better, best options.. If I don't care if the part I ordered takes 2 weeks to ship, I can wait another week for free/cheap delivery... why is there only expedited for a pre-ordered part? mornonic
[20:28] <sudormrf> ozzzy, that makes no sense. shipping is not flat rate, generally speaking.
[20:28] <ozzzy> ^^
[20:28] <sudormrf> you are saying that if the warehouse where right next door to me the shipping is the same as it would be for someone across the country. shipping doesn't work like that
[20:28] <ozzzy> Mouser charges flat rate, DK charges flat rate, Element14 charges flat rate
[20:28] <ozzzy> [shrug]
[20:28] <Encapsulation> 10 dollar shipping on pi rip off
[20:28] <Encapsulation> give me pi 2 free shipping
[20:28] <ozzzy> sudormrf, yes it does
[20:29] <sudormrf> ozzzy, it very much does not.
[20:29] <ozzzy> it very much does
[20:29] <ozzzy> flat-rate shipping is flat-rate shipping... it's part of the contract between the shipper and the carrier
[20:29] <sudormrf> and you know that E14 has a flat rate contract, or is that an assumption?
[20:29] <ozzzy> they charge me flat-rate
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[20:30] <sudormrf> so it is empirical evidence not based on any knowledge of the inner workings of these companies?
[20:30] <ozzzy> I know how MY flat-rate contract works
[20:30] <sudormrf> $10 for shipping on something that has the dimensions and weight of an rPi is ludicrous. shipping will cost $5 if that.
[20:31] <ozzzy> sudormrf, like I said... I shipped a pi-sized package to Spain and the shipping was $105
[20:31] <sudormrf> the thing barely weighs more than a gift card.
[20:31] <BobFrankly> $10 assumes it being sent by carrier pigeon, and feeding it for the month it will take to get there
[20:31] <sudormrf> BobFrankly, LOL
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[20:31] <sudormrf> ozzzy, so that totally eliminates your "flat rate shipping" point lel
[20:31] <Armand> BobFrankly: You neglect to account for losses to AA fire.
[20:31] <ozzzy> my contract doesn't cover outside Canada/US
[20:31] <djazz> benighted: lets see how it runs on "turbo" overclock
[20:32] <sudormrf> because if its flat rate it is $9.99 everywhere amirite?
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[20:32] <sudormrf> haah
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[20:32] <ozzzy> sudormrf, that's how shipping works
[20:32] <BobFrankly> armand there's no AA fire, merely car bombs
[20:32] <sudormrf> it isn't.
[20:32] <sudormrf> shipping isn't flat rate to everywhere
[20:32] <ozzzy> it could be if that's what you negociate with the carrier
[20:32] <sudormrf> it is a staggered rate *unless* you have a contract
[20:32] <Armand> BobFrankly: Bloody hard to hit a pigeon with a car. O_o
[20:32] <sudormrf> "super saver shipping" is very likely using the USPS
[20:32] <ozzzy> I get a GREAT rate in north america
[20:32] <Armand> *flying pigeon
[20:33] <sudormrf> which means that they are paying nowhere near $9.99
[20:33] <sudormrf> your empirical evidence is empirical
[20:33] <benighted> djazz, interested
[20:33] <sudormrf> :D
[20:33] <ozzzy> and I never specify UPS/FedEx from the US unless they have flat-rate... I'll opt USPS
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[20:34] <ozzzy> but... $20 shipping for 2 pis is quite reasonable
[20:34] <sudormrf> no, it isn't.
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[20:34] <sudormrf> maybe if you live on Mars, sure.
[20:34] <_Trullo> getting my pi2 tomorrow
[20:34] <ozzzy> well.. you hunt around and buy one from wherever
[20:34] <sudormrf> or, as BobFrankly pointed out, it is sent by carrier pigeon which requires food and training.
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[20:34] <sudormrf> :D
[20:34] <sudormrf> I will
[20:34] <BobFrankly> Armand, you've got the fire going in the wrong direction ;D
[20:35] <sudormrf> once it hits prime probably
[20:35] <sudormrf> haha
[20:35] <djazz> benighted: hmm, "freezes" at openelec logo
[20:35] <ozzzy> maybe you can get a clone from china in a few weeks with free shipping
[20:35] <djazz> only red led
[20:35] <Armand> BobFrankly: Sooooo... flying pigeons attack you with car bombs??! O_o
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[20:36] <BobFrankly> Armand: exactly! You telling me you've never seen pigeon feces on a car before?
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[20:37] <benighted> djazz, if you can get it to a commandline should try to get the temp reading
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[20:38] <djazz> benighted: reflashed the sd, same error when having turbo
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[20:40] <benighted> djazz, you know what turbo sets it to?
[20:40] <djazz> benighted: I edit config.txt manually
[20:40] <djazz> using turbo values
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[20:41] <benighted> djazz, what are you entering... if you're setting freq but not overvolt that may be it
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[20:42] <djazz> i set all 4
[20:43] <Tenkawa> can the gpu be turned effictively "off" on an rpi?
[20:43] <djazz> benighted: High didnt work either :(
[20:43] <Tenkawa> er effectively
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[20:44] <benighted> djazz, that's the equivalent to the antenna issue on the iphone 4, half baked product it sounds like if not a lemon
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[20:44] <teclo-> hm what actually is having an issue ?
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[20:46] <benighted> teclo-, he can't use anything but stock clock options for openelec, high and turbo fail
[20:46] <teclo-> benighted: ah. Well that's the trouble you get when you try to overclock....
[20:47] <benighted> teclo-, ....a half baked product... yes I agree
[20:47] <benighted> teclo-, every pi since the model A had ability to overclock
[20:48] <teclo-> benighted: yes I have seen my Raspberry Pi has the ability to overclock, but I never used it
[20:48] <benighted> teclo-, if it isn't possible it should be noted as the precedence would lead to the assumption that is possible
[20:48] <shauno> it's never guaranteed though. if it was 100%, that's where they'd set the default.
[20:49] <ozzzy> I never overclock computers
[20:49] <Tenkawa> yay no devicetree
[20:49] <benighted> I'm 100% sure they would have sold less than half the units they have to date if they hadn't had OC capability on that 700mhz soc
[20:49] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: yeah I hear ya
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[20:50] <ozzzy> benighted, I don't know.... I think they'd probably have sold as many
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[20:52] <djazz> hm, pi doesn't boot now without oc, gets stuck at openelec logo
[20:52] <shauno> should be a simple enough test though. stick something unrelated (eg rasbian) in it, see if it shows the same. try the openelec card in another pi, see if it shows the same.
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[20:53] <djazz> shauno: yeah, i'll flash raspbian
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[20:53] <Tenkawa> yeah it could be the card
[20:53] <shauno> I'd try a different sd card if you have one handy, too. just so you've nailed all teh variables available
[20:54] <djazz> i have one but it has some bad sector, so it's useless
[20:54] <djazz> it was pretty new, 16 GB sandisk :(
[20:56] <benighted> ozzzy, I know it swayed alot of people in my circles for it to have practical use, barely streams hd video unless hard wired
[20:56] <benighted> ..and oc'd
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[20:57] <ozzzy> benighted, well... none of the people in my circle are using it for video at all.... so OC'ing had nothing to do with the purchase
[20:57] <ozzzy> so a few either way [shrug]
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[20:58] <benighted> ozzzy, yeah, mileage may vary... was just saying the precedent is set so if that has changed with the new model, with same form factor, it should be clearly noted for those it matters to
[20:58] <benighted> ozzzy, and now there is alot of alternative choices
[20:59] <benighted> ozzzy, there are* , apparently me fail english today
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[20:59] <ozzzy> yeah... if we can't figure out any use for the pi2s we bought in astronomy they'll probably end up as media centres
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[21:00] <Tenkawa> I'm slowly but surely replacing all of my utility servers with rpi's and such as they get more and more robust
[21:00] <benighted> ozzzy, my intended uses are thin clients and media center
[21:00] <imbezol> i'm going to run esxi on mine
[21:00] <benighted> Tenkawa, been there done that, I've opted for OpenMediaVault and docker instead
[21:00] <benighted> imbezol, you got the vibs?
[21:00] <Tenkawa> imbezol: heheheh now that would be fun
[21:00] <imbezol> then fire up about 3 dozen vms :)
[21:00] <ozzzy> I built some hardware to run focusers, cameras etc... but then said 'I can do this with an arduino a lot cheaper and more efficiently'
[21:00] <Tenkawa> if possible
[21:01] <ozzzy> so we're going to look at doing the actual computations with them
[21:01] <benighted> ozzzy, yeah - I would think the A+ would be good for that too
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[21:01] <teclo-> are you guys saying that the Raspberry Pi 2 might have issues ?
[21:01] <benighted> teclo-, overclocking so far djazz reported makes it break
[21:02] <imbezol> benighted: heh no.. i've never heard of an arm version
[21:02] <benighted> teclo-, a few reported browser crashes, but it's still early
[21:02] <djazz> i overclocked in raspbian before, it was fine. didnt overclock to turbo, but to the "Piw" overclock
[21:02] <djazz> Pi2*
[21:02] <djazz> not sure what the Pi2 overclock is
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[21:02] <benighted> imbezol, you could get 3-4 and try installing OpenStack grizzly... bwahaha
[21:03] <djazz> raspbian flash complete!
[21:03] <djazz> it boots!
[21:03] <niston> djazz: 1100Mhz should be fine according to RPF info
[21:03] <benighted> imbezol, actually better with 6, a cluster each for compute, network, storage
[21:03] <niston> ie "stock OC option"
[21:03] <djazz> why are there 4 raspberry pi logos btw?
[21:04] <ali1234> 4 cpus?
[21:04] <djazz> xD
[21:04] <ali1234> that logo would be a penguin in vanilla kernel
[21:04] <djazz> i know
[21:05] <djazz> hmm, pi2 is same as turbo but only 2 overvolt
[21:05] <imbezol> benighted: it should work if you're running arm vms
[21:05] <djazz> since the rpi2 cpu cores have a start freq of 800
[21:05] <imbezol> benighted: if you want to run x86 vms i think they'll run like crap
[21:05] <Tenkawa> imbezol: if there was a esxi arm hypervisor perhaps
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[21:06] <Tenkawa> I havent missed them finally creating one have I?
[21:06] <benighted> imbezol, yep...
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[21:07] <Tenkawa> an arm hypervisor would be pretty cool
[21:07] <benighted> djazz, booted normal or oc?
[21:07] <imbezol> Tenkawa: nah.. i mean qemu or something
[21:07] <djazz> now normal raspbian, now rebooting with Pi2 oc
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[21:07] <imbezol> they're so underpowered it's a silly discussion
[21:07] <teclo-> people running PiMAME, please raise their hand !
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[21:08] <Tenkawa> imbezol: ahhh
[21:08] <djazz> benighted: no issues in raspbian..
[21:08] <Tenkawa> qemu does have some nice uses hehehehe
[21:08] <imbezol> the 1 gig of ram is probably the limiting factor
[21:08] <Tenkawa> 1 gb is not too shabby
[21:09] <Tenkawa> if its allocated well
[21:09] <teclo-> depends what OS you run
[21:09] <Tenkawa> indeed
[21:09] <benighted> djazz, that is definitely promising
[21:09] <imbezol> teclo-: we're talking about for virtualization
[21:09] <teclo-> if you run "legacy" OS's in qemu, 1 GB is a lot
[21:09] <imbezol> i personally don't think it's enough to do much with
[21:09] <djazz> benighted: minecraft pi running smooth as butter in fullscreen
[21:10] <djazz> uses 4-6% total cpu
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[21:10] <benighted> djazz, sweet - that's more like it
[21:10] <teclo-> actually I got a "legacy" system that runs very fast with 48 MB of RAM
[21:10] <imbezol> i ran a freebsd system on 32 MB of ram for a long time
[21:10] <imbezol> worked well with console only
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[21:10] <teclo-> I ran a FreeBSD system on 8 MB ...
[21:11] <imbezol> it was so dog slow trying to load X though that it took a long time to get back out of X :)
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[21:11] <ali1234> i remember when linux could run in 8mb
[21:11] <imbezol> 100 Mhz baby
[21:11] <benighted> djazz, if you wouldn't mind could you test drive it multitasking with say audio playback, streaming video and web browsing?
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[21:11] <teclo-> I remember when there wasn't Linux ;)
[21:12] <teclo-> commercial Unices
[21:12] <ali1234> so do i
[21:12] <teclo-> and CP/M
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[21:12] <BobFrankly> I remember upgrading from 4 to 8mb, turbo button was awesome, went from 33 to 66 mhz
[21:12] <imbezol> i was an amiga fan boy prior to linux
[21:12] <shauno> I had a slack system running in 3meg. that'd barely fit my kernel now
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[21:13] <djazz> benighted: screenshot from yesterday http://i.imgur.com/ZJIW8US.jpg
[21:13] <djazz> no oc
[21:13] <imbezol> my first connection to the internet involved dialing into the college and using the VAX system
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[21:13] <imbezol> i miss BBSes :P
[21:14] <imbezol> a pi would make a heck of a BBS system
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[21:14] <NGC3982> Have you ever used Irssi on a linux system?
[21:14] <imbezol> using it now
[21:14] <NGC3982> How five minutes with that can make anyone miss BBS is beyond me. :-P
[21:14] <djazz> i use weechat
[21:14] <NGC3982> (But yes, nostalgia always win).
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[21:15] <imbezol> you're not a fan of the console irc clients?
[21:15] <NGC3982> Read again
[21:15] <NGC3982> It's probably the only working system that does not need any active improvement, afait.
[21:16] <benighted> remember upgrading a modem from 14.4kbit/s to 28.8kbit/s modem...
[21:16] <imbezol> my first modem was a 300 baud on vic-20
[21:16] <benighted> err dial up cark I meant
[21:16] <imbezol> upgrading to 1200 with my c-64 was amazing
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[21:17] <imbezol> got a 14.4k with my amiga
[21:17] * NGC3982 was born in the dsl age.
[21:17] <imbezol> ran a bbs on the c-64 with 5 disk drives connected to it
[21:17] <imbezol> that was pretty bad ass
[21:18] <Tenkawa> trs-80 here
[21:18] <imbezol> i used one of those quite a bit too cuz my grandparents had one
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[21:18] <imbezol> and my cousin had the newer white case coco 3
[21:18] <imbezol> ended up inheriting the trs-80 later
[21:18] <teclo-> yeah me too my first modem was 300 bps
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[21:19] <ryankara1on> +1 for irssi =)
[21:20] <Tenkawa> ryankara1on: I hear ya
[21:20] <Tenkawa> thats all I use
[21:20] <imbezol> honestly weechat looks really nice.. i'm just lazy cuz i've been using irssi for so many years and don't want to switch
[21:20] <djazz> i use znc and weechat+tmux
[21:20] <Tenkawa> tmux vs screen
[21:21] <Tenkawa> now thats the tough one
[21:21] <imbezol> tmux falls in the same category as weechat.. been using screen forever and don't need any other features so i've stuck with it
[21:22] <Tenkawa> imbezol: do you remember the model 1000?
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[21:22] <imbezol> amiga?
[21:22] <Tenkawa> imbezol: tandy
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[21:22] <imbezol> oh, the pc
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[21:22] <imbezol> i remember going into radio shack at the mall and messing them up
[21:23] <Tenkawa> was never really widely adopted
[21:23] <Tenkawa> like the color computer's were
[21:23] <Tenkawa> now those....
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[21:23] <imbezol> yeah it was just an ibm clone
[21:23] <imbezol> lots of choices on what brand to buy
[21:23] <imbezol> commodore had some at the time too
[21:24] <Tenkawa> I avoided commodores back then
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[21:24] <Tenkawa> then again all I did was trs80 assembly
[21:24] <Tenkawa> didnt need anything else at that point
[21:25] <imbezol> i did some basic on the trs80 but any assembly was on the c64
[21:25] <imbezol> i remember getting the magazines with the programs in the back
[21:25] <Tenkawa> yep
[21:25] <imbezol> i took my 64 over to a friend's for the weekend once
[21:25] <Tenkawa> rainbow magazine right?
[21:26] <imbezol> probably or commodore gazette or something
[21:26] <Tenkawa> yeah
[21:26] <imbezol> but on this particular weekend we decided to type in a game
[21:26] <imbezol> problem was it was all in assembly
[21:26] <imbezol> so they had an assembler you had to type in first
[21:26] <imbezol> we spent HOURS typing that in
[21:26] <ryankara1on> i personally use both screen && tmux!!!
[21:26] <ryankara1on> regularly.
[21:26] <imbezol> this was just after i got the C64 so...
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[21:27] <imbezol> we were both surprised at the end that we couldn't use it because i didn't have a disk drive yet
[21:27] <Tenkawa> yep... and at that time if no cassette to save it... one worong address and crash
[21:27] <imbezol> and you had to save it and then run it so you could start typing the assembly
[21:27] <Tenkawa> yep
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[21:27] <imbezol> lol
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[21:27] <Tenkawa> oh believe me I remember those days way too well
[21:28] <imbezol> i did have a cassette with my vic-20 and could have saved it on that but didn't even know you could use that with the c64 til later
[21:28] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[21:28] <imbezol> got a disk drive shortly after so it was never an issue
[21:28] <clever> ive heard stories about the copy protection on those disk drives
[21:28] <clever> basicaly, you pack more sectors into a track then the drive can possibly write out
[21:29] <clever> the hack to copy the disks, add more ram to the disk drive!!
[21:29] <Tenkawa> clever: hehe
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[21:29] <Tenkawa> those things had too many problems to name
[21:29] <clever> basicaly, the disk drive must read the track, to find out where sector 5 ends
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[21:29] <clever> then switch to write mode to stick sector 6 into the right spot
[21:29] <clever> due to the cpu speed, that creates a gap between 5&6
[21:30] <Tenkawa> yeah and hope the alignment stayed
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[21:30] <Tenkawa> nothing was ever "easy"
[21:30] <clever> the specs allow for large gaps, thats how it works
[21:30] <imbezol> copy protection was never really an issue that i remember
[21:30] <clever> the protected floppies ignored that spec, no gap, pack in as many sectors as possible
[21:30] <imbezol> reason was that there were cartridges like snapshot around
[21:30] <clever> so its imposible for a normal floppy drive to write 1 sector on the track
[21:31] <imbezol> just load the legit copy, then take a memory snapshot to your own disk
[21:31] <imbezol> or save the snapshot in the cartridge
[21:31] <imbezol> then you could just load the snap.. no need for the original
[21:31] <Tenkawa> heh I wish I could sysadmin a datacenter of rpi, bbb, etc sized servers
[21:31] <Tenkawa> that would be pretty neat
[21:31] <clever> sounds like you would need to snapshot it at the right time though
[21:31] <imbezol> load it up, snapshot it at the menu before you hit start
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[21:32] <clever> imbezol: ah, yeah, thats a lot more like the save states in most emulators nowadays
[21:32] <imbezol> not too many games did any sort of loading after they were running
[21:32] <teclo-> yeah that's what people used to do with the Commodore 64 for instance
[21:32] <clever> i can see how that would work
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[21:32] <teclo-> lots of tricky copy protection on floppies
[21:32] <imbezol> amiga was a whole different game tho.. they had all kinds of wild copy protection that was nearly impossible to circumvent
[21:32] <teclo-> the solution was to snapshot the memory and save it and later reload it
[21:32] <clever> even some modern virtual machines let you do that at the system level, for an entire x86 machine
[21:32] <imbezol> for the end user anyways
[21:33] <imbezol> that's when the cracking groups got huge.. rereleasing trained versions
[21:33] <imbezol> amiga drives had no intelligence in them.. controlled completely by the computer
[21:34] <imbezol> so you could rewrite the io stack for them to do really weird things
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[21:34] <clever> the c64 floppy drives where similar
[21:34] <Tenkawa> imbezol: one way to implememnt wear leveling and io patterning
[21:34] <imbezol> made it impossible for most copy programs to copy a disk
[21:34] <clever> the floppy drive had its own 6502 cpu, and some of the low level commands did things like copy sector to ram
[21:35] <clever> write data to ram
[21:35] <clever> and execute ram on the disk drive end
[21:35] <imbezol> yeah the 1541 drives were a computer to themselves
[21:35] <clever> that lets you upload custom firmware to the sector buffer, and then hijack the whole floppy drive
[21:35] <clever> some DRM systems i think used that, to just implement an entirely custom encoding on the floppy
[21:36] <clever> and the ram upgrade i mentioned, would add extra ram to the 1541, then use custom firmware that can write an entire track at once
[21:36] <imbezol> do you mess around with vice at all?
[21:36] <clever> which must all be in ram, in order to keep up with the write speed
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[21:36] <clever> i was just a kid back when, only heard about that stuff afterwards
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[21:36] <imbezol> vice is the commodore emulator (which you can run probably run on the pi)
[21:37] <clever> ah
[21:37] <imbezol> it's interesting how many different cpu and drive firmwares there are for use with it
[21:37] <clever> i did play with some c64 emulators years ago on windows
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[21:37] <clever> i think the nes or SNES also uses a 6502 cpu
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[21:41] <imbezol> oh yeah? never played around with the SNES much
[21:42] <clever> For its central processing unit (CPU), the NES uses an 8-bit microprocessor produced by Ricoh based on a MOS Technology 6502 core.
[21:42] <clever> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System
[21:43] <clever> The NES contains 2 kB of onboard work RAM. A game cartridge may contain expanded RAM to increase this amount. The size of NES games varies from 8 kB (Galaxian) to 1 MB (Metal Slader Glory), but 128 to 384 kB was the most common.
[21:43] <clever> dang, 2kb of onboard ram!!
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[21:43] <Tenkawa> hehe
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[21:44] <imbezol> yup.. the c64 was called as such because it had 64k. half of that was BASIC tho so you really had just under 32k to work with
[21:44] <Encapsulation> http://pastebin.com/GgHhx61K
[21:45] <imbezol> it's amazing what we could do with those ram sizes back then
[21:45] <Tenkawa> imbezol: indeed
[21:45] <clever> imbezol: the NES must have been using bank switching though, to get game carts up to 1mb
[21:45] <atouk> ever see the demos done in 16k of code?
[21:46] <clever> i have seen krieger, but that needs a ton of ram
[21:46] <imbezol> i used to love demos :)
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[21:46] <clever> small input code, that generates a ton of output at startup
[21:46] <atouk> amiga had the best demo scene
[21:46] <imbezol> had a pretty big collection of c64 and amiga ones
[21:46] <imbezol> still does
[21:46] <clever> many of the graphic things on the c64 and friends apply to the pi as well
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[21:47] <clever> the pi scans the dispmanx resources every time hdmi needs a line of image
[21:47] <clever> so you could change things mid-frame for effect
[21:47] <imbezol> maybe we should start a huge pi demo scene
[21:47] <Tenkawa> heheheeh
[21:48] <imbezol> 1 gig sdcard limit
[21:48] <imbezol> that's a lot actually
[21:48] <clever> you could limit based on the size of kernel.img
[21:48] <Tenkawa> thats multiple albums really
[21:48] <clever> there are many baremetal examples that involve creating your own kernel.img
[21:49] <imbezol> actually pis are cheap enough.. it'd be cool to have one for each of your favorite emulators
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[21:49] <imbezol> c64 pi, amiga pi, nes pi, ..
[21:49] <Tenkawa> imbezol: or at least have a card each
[21:49] <imbezol> plug and play
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[21:49] <clever> just put in a menu at bootup
[21:49] <imbezol> there ya go
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[21:49] <clever> the card is plenty big to store every game from every old system :P
[21:49] <atouk> i wonder how well the quad core pi could do an amiga 500
[21:50] <Tenkawa> atouk: easily
[21:50] <Tenkawa> at least I'd think so
[21:50] <imbezol> mmm.. debatable
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[21:50] <imbezol> it wasn't that long ago they finally started running nicely
[21:50] <atouk> so much of it was done in hardware (god bless fat agnus)
[21:50] <Tenkawa> ah
[21:50] <imbezol> the hardware was so different than x86 that it didn't lend well to emulation
[21:51] <Tenkawa> was not aware that one was so hardware driven
[21:51] <imbezol> i'm not sure if uae will run on arm either
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[21:51] <Tenkawa> whats its native chip type?
[21:51] <clever> i had a thought just now on how to emulate the sprites in the graphic chips
[21:51] <imbezol> motorola 68000 series
[21:51] <Tenkawa> oh
[21:51] <clever> just make 1 dispmanx resource per sprite
[21:51] <clever> and let the GPU do the sprites naturaly
[21:51] <imbezol> the cpu wasn't the hardest part though.. it's the graphics and sound chips
[21:52] <Tenkawa> m68k are a bit touchy if I remember correctly
[21:52] <clever> graphics you could map to dispmanx and continue to use modern hw accel
[21:52] <clever> sound, you got 3 more cores to spare, over 100 if you can adapt it to the v3d shaders
[21:52] <imbezol> it'd be sweet to make a mini amiga 1000 out of a pi
[21:53] <imbezol> http://oldcomputers.net/pics/A1000.jpg
[21:53] <ali1234> clever: how you going to do sprite collision detection though?
[21:54] <imbezol> http://cdn-6.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/a1000/system.jpg
[21:54] <imbezol> better pic
[21:54] <clever> ali1234: for game logic, or to render one over another?
[21:54] <ali1234> for game logic
[21:54] <clever> i didnt think the GPU chip ever did that
[21:55] <clever> isnt it the job of the game logic on the CPU?
[21:55] <ali1234> in UAE you can turn it on or off so i assume it's a hardware function
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[21:55] <clever> ah
[21:55] <ali1234> other than that i do not know
[21:55] <clever> ive always thought the GPU was dumb and just rendered sprites at the given x/y
[21:55] <clever> and the cpu was entirely under control of the collision logic
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[21:56] <djazz> OpenArena (quake3 mod) runs at 60fps at 1080p! sweeeet!
[21:56] <ali1234> "Denise can also lay up to eight 16 pixel wide sprites per scan line (in automatic mode) on top, underneath, or between playfields, and detect collisions between sprites and the playfields or between sprites."
[21:56] <Syliss> lan party with pi 2’s?
[21:56] <djazz> totes
[21:56] <imbezol> djazz: nice
[21:57] <clever> ali1234: collision is still easy to implement in cpu
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[21:58] <djazz> runs almost as smooth as on my gaming laptop
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[21:59] <djazz> lets play OA online!
[22:00] <imbezol> never tried OA but played thousands of hours of RA3
[22:00] <djazz> im joining some online server now xD
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[22:04] <Syliss> if only it could do tf2
[22:04] <djazz> online MP doesnt seem to work :/
[22:04] <Syliss> bummer
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[22:04] <djazz> i tried to start normal Minecraft, but launcher only loaded halfway
[22:04] <Syliss> my work is starting to do monthly lan partys cause we dont deal with networks enough as it is
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[22:10] <niston> a typical LAN party won't help much though
[22:10] <djazz> i will upload a gameplay vid to YT in 60 fps soon
[22:10] <djazz> of OpenArena
[22:11] <godhatesfacts> ffs... so I'm really tired... was looking for a file in my rasppi. instead of find / | grep fun.jpg I wrote rm -rf / | grep fun.jpg .. after about 30 sec I realized that it's time to go to sleep..... SIGH.. what a day
[22:11] <niston> ouch hehe
[22:11] <godhatesfacts> djazz: post it here :3
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[22:11] <ali1234> find / -name fun.jpg
[22:11] <djazz> godhatesfacts: ofc
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[22:14] <VoIP_Student> open area on rasppi?
[22:14] <VoIP_Student> arena**
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[22:16] <imbezol> Syliss: make sure to get everyone setup with IPX and play Red Alert
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[22:19] <[Saint]> godhatesfacts: and that, my friend, is why I made a wrapper alias for rm -rf that asks me if I'm really sure and prompts for a Y/N. :)
[22:20] <djazz> VoIP_Student, godhatesfacts, Syliss, imbezol: OpenArena is available to download in the Rpi Shop
[22:20] <[Saint]> That's saved my proverbial bum more than a few times.
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[22:20] <djazz> or Store whatever
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[22:25] <Syliss> yeah we are already planning that imbezol
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[22:25] <imbezol> Syliss: there goes half your lan time lol
[22:25] <Dragonkeeper> anyone else experience lag when using weechat and rpi ? o.O and lack of alt + arrow kys
[22:25] <imbezol> i don't think the IPX stack is included in windows by default anymore
[22:26] <imbezol> i'm going to a lan this weekend too
[22:26] <imbezol> most everyone will be playing CS:GO etc
[22:26] <imbezol> i don't have a windows pc (or want one) so i'll be messing with emulators, coding, and playing online poker lol
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[22:27] <Dragonkeeper> cs:go is on linux too native
[22:27] <imbezol> oh? yeah i'm just not interested
[22:27] <imbezol> i played retarded amounts of q3/ra3
[22:27] <Dragonkeeper> :')
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[22:27] <imbezol> when it finally fizzled i was like.. wow.. three + years of my life gone
[22:28] <imbezol> not getting into another game like that again
[22:28] <atouk> http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/peripherals/raspberry-pi-ceo-i-really-want-to-see-amiga-emulation-on-raspberry-pi-2-1283093
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[22:28] <imbezol> atouk: did some googling and it looks like it's been done
[22:28] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: use esc instead of alt then
[22:29] <imbezol> https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/building-an-a1200-for-40-with-raspberry-pi-and-uae4all/
[22:29] <imbezol> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17928
[22:29] <imbezol> etc..
[22:29] <atouk> just odd that we were talking about it, and then t popped up on my FB
[22:29] <imbezol> oh yeah :)
[22:29] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: i use weechat over ssh just fine
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[22:29] <imbezol> if the first pi could do it i'm sure the pi2 will run it quite nicely
[22:29] <benighted> you guys every try netcat over ssh?
[22:30] <ali1234> there is no reason to use netcat over ssh, you can just use normal cat
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[22:30] <imbezol> or scp
[22:30] <Dragonkeeper> djazz: ah thanks that works, alt and numbers is annoying .. but do you experience lag ?
[22:30] <ali1234> scp isn't the same as cat
[22:31] <imbezol> nc over ssh would be to transfer something, no?
[22:31] <Syliss> i love CS:S havent played CS:GO yet
[22:31] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: no, any lag when not using ssh then?
[22:31] <ali1234> imbezol: not really no
[22:31] <imbezol> benighted: what are you trying to do?
[22:32] <benighted> imbezol, oh I've done it, never heard of weechat before
[22:32] <Dragonkeeper> djazz: bit off lag on the framebuffer when swapping channels,, what do you use over ssh to keep your session alive... im guessing tmux ?
[22:32] * imbezol is confused now
[22:33] <[Saint]> imbezol: have you had a look at AssaultCube?
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[22:33] <[Saint]> imbezol: if you haven't, and you end up doing so, ...I'm very, very sorry.
[22:33] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: tmux yeah
[22:33] <[Saint]> Its a hilariously simple open shooter I vent a LOT of steam on.
[22:33] <djazz> and mosh when im on mobile network + travels
[22:34] <djazz> JuiceSSH on android, supports mosh <3
[22:34] <imbezol> [Saint]: nope. my lan gaming usually consists of some ra3 or armagetron
[22:34] <imbezol> armagetron is the best game ever for lans
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[22:35] * [Saint] just uses screen attach/detach session scripting.
[22:35] <[Saint]> haven't had much use for mosh
[22:35] <imbezol> especially when it gets late and everyone is changing their player names to something dirty
[22:35] <Dragonkeeper> djazz: ah i got a nice setup using screen allows to add/remove extra shells and swap between
[22:35] <imbezol> plus it runs on anything
[22:35] <[Saint]> imbezol: then you'll probably like AssaultCube.
[22:35] <[Saint]> Have a look.
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[22:36] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: yea, i use tmux though
[22:36] <djazz> almost same thing
[22:36] <[Saint]> it runs on 256s /w 56k modems for netplay.
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[22:36] <[Saint]> hilariously simply.
[22:36] <Dragonkeeper> benighted: weechat is just a cli irc client using ncurses
[22:36] <djazz> <3 Tremulous, wish it ran on a pi..
[22:36] <djazz> (its based on q3)
[22:36] <[Saint]> On the other end of the scale, my other passion is making my GFX cards SCREAM with ARMA3
[22:37] <[Saint]> <3 me some ARMA3
[22:37] <[Saint]> I get entirely too riled up playing that, though.
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[22:38] <[Saint]> Its the type of game that can make four top end GFX cards in quad-SLI cry for mercy.
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[22:39] <[Saint]> My server was some form of custom built rendering box in a past life that I acquired via a police auction.
[22:39] <NGC3982> Does it have "The Pixar Computer" on the side, please give me a call.
[22:40] <[Saint]> Heh. No. It does not. :)
[22:40] <Dragonkeeper> how does omxplayer get a display when i havnt started X ?
[22:40] <[Saint]> I know next to nothing about its history.
[22:40] <djazz> omxplayer uses gpu, not x
[22:40] <[Saint]> In its time, and in some aspects, even now, its a bit of a beast.
[22:40] <Dragonkeeper> can that be done with other apps ?
[22:41] <clever> Dragonkeeper: behind the scenes, its uding dispmanx, which other apps can also use
[22:41] <djazz> Dragonkeeper: anything using gpu directly will draw on top of whatever framebuffer there is
[22:41] <djazz> (i think)
[22:41] <clever> all dispmanx items have a layer property to set the draw order
[22:41] <clever> and the framebuffer is itself another dispmanx item
[22:42] <Dragonkeeper> hmm
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[22:43] <Dragonkeeper> so how would i use that when calling for e.g the webbroswer
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[22:46] <Dragonkeeper> or does it have to be implemented in the source of the programs ?
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[22:47] <clever> Dragonkeeper: you need to rewrite the browser to use dispmanx for its image output
[22:47] <clever> look at the hello_dispmanx example in /opt/
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[22:48] <Dragonkeeper> ahh ok thanks
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[22:48] <Dragonkeeper> wonder if i can get an emulator to use this
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[22:50] <benighted> Dragonkeeper, ah k thanks
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[22:50] <benighted> Dragonkeeper, will have to check it out
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[22:57] <Dragonkeeper> :)
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[22:58] <Dragonkeeper> o/
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[22:59] <mrmoney2012> updated a pi1 to pi2… all looks good bar - apt-get
[22:59] <mrmoney2012> bizarre, it gives no output !
[22:59] <mrmoney2012> any ideas?
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[23:02] <djazz> rendering video recording of OA at 60 fps ^^
[23:02] <djazz> it will be on YT in a few minutes
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[23:03] <[Saint]> mrmoney2012: you didn't try just moving over the sdcard from one to the other, did you?
[23:03] <mrmoney2012> nah
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[23:03] <[Saint]> Hum.
[23:03] <mrmoney2012> i dd’d the original card (after update)
[23:04] <mrmoney2012> then restored the image to a new card
[23:04] <mrmoney2012> but it’s a bit wierd, maybe it didn’t work
[23:04] <mrmoney2012> i just used the “expand filesystem” menu option
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[23:05] <mrmoney2012> don’t think that’s it but still
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[23:05] <mrmoney2012> grrr
[23:05] <mrmoney2012> nothing, sudo apt-get update = no output
[23:07] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/wWfwLkGc
[23:07] <[Saint]> well, she's definitely alive...
[23:07] <mrmoney2012> k
[23:08] <mrmoney2012> i can ping it too
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[23:09] <mrmoney2012> should i do … shutdown -rF now
[23:09] <mrmoney2012> it’s headless
[23:09] <mrmoney2012> rather disappointing as it was going so well !
[23:10] <ShorTie> try -h and unpluging it for a minute
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[23:10] <mrmoney2012> k
[23:11] <mrmoney2012> have shut it down
[23:11] <ShorTie> nothing like a power disconnection to reset everything
[23:11] <[Saint]> I respect the "try anything and see if something sticks" approach as much as the next man, but there's absolutely nothing that persists across a reboot that nuking power can fix.
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[23:11] <teclo-> hm is there a "key" for the blinking lights on a Raspberry Pi ?
[23:12] <ShorTie> apt-get update workin` fine here
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[23:12] <ShorTie> model B+ ??
[23:12] <mrmoney2012> thinking sd card corruption
[23:12] <mrmoney2012> pi2
[23:12] <[Saint]> teclo-: yes
[23:12] <[Saint]> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[23:12] <ShorTie> ya, get a better power supply
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[23:13] <mrmoney2012> this has a 2amp on it
[23:13] <[Saint]> Amperes alone does not a good power supply make.
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[23:14] <[Saint]> No use it being able to push 10A if its noisey as hell and suffers from dramatic fluctuation.
[23:14] <mrmoney2012> have a feeling i might have to use a fresh raspbian image.
[23:14] <[Saint]> And, there's also the chance that its just plain lying.
[23:14] <mrmoney2012> true
[23:14] <ShorTie> just got this, it's like a must have tool for pi's http://www.ebay.com/itm/361162327436?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[23:15] <[Saint]> And, yes, that sounds like a fine debugging step.
[23:15] <mrmoney2012> back up and still sudo apt-get update gives nothing
[23:15] <mrmoney2012> i’ll flash fresh raspbian
[23:15] <[Saint]> mrmoney2012: dd the original image that's on there back to your host so you can pull your configs off it if you want to.
[23:15] <Bilby> one of the lovely things about a pi, it's super easy to start from scratch
[23:16] <[Saint]> ShorTie: or, y'know, the infinitely more practical multimeter than any electronics enthusiast should have, that isn't limited to terribly specific use cases like that product. ;)
[23:16] <[Saint]> Just sayin'. :)
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[23:17] <ShorTie> but for $2.30, it's hard to beat for a toy
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[23:18] <ShorTie> makes it easy to see your voltage lose over your micro-usb cable too...
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[23:19] <Bilby> Considering I use a 25 amp variable-voltage power supply to measure current draw when I'm testing my Pi, the little USB thingie might be a good idea...
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[23:20] <ShorTie> Tim Taylor`n ah, good boy
[23:21] <Bilby> ahaha
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[23:22] <[Saint]> ShorTie: yeah, the thing is though, for $2.30 I wouldn't trust its accuracy as far as I could throw the thing.
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[23:22] <[Saint]> its also seems to be passively powered
[23:23] <[Saint]> so I'm not sure how reliable it ever could be.
[23:23] <djazz> VoIP_Student, godhatesfacts, Syliss, imbezol: video of OA will be available here: http://youtu.be/1qJB64gn6Mo
[23:24] <mrmoney2012> shasum doesn’t match the pi download page sha on osx ?
[23:24] <[Saint]> Hahahahahahahahaha!
[23:24] <[Saint]> That description...
[23:24] <[Saint]> "Line loss: about 0.1 euro"
[23:24] <mrmoney2012> is that a corrupt download ?
[23:24] <blib> how do I get I2C.h? What library do I need to link to get the code to work?
[23:24] <Syliss> djazz: its set to private
[23:24] <ant_thomas> "This video is private."
[23:25] <ShorTie> gotta be as good as the free multimeters i get from Harbor Freight .. :/~
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[23:25] <blib> oh ok - my mistake, this was using a i2c library of ardiono - is there something compatible for pi available?
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[23:25] <ShorTie> wiringPi maybe
[23:25] <djazz> Syliss: yea, but still processing
[23:25] <ali1234> blib: there is a i2c library for python
[23:25] <djazz> made it pub
[23:26] <ali1234> blib: all the adafruit shields have example code using it
[23:26] <blib> ali1234: https://github.com/PulsedLight3D/LIDARLite_Basics/blob/master/Arduino/LIDARLite_I2C_Library_GetDistance_ContinuousRead/LIDARLite_I2C_Library_GetDistance_ContinuousRead.ino - am trying to port this code to pi - what can I use ?
[23:26] <gorideyourbike> I want to be able to ssh into my RasPi from outside my network. I set up a dynamic DNS using DuckDNS. I set up port forwarding on my router to forward port 1221 to the IP address for my RPi. I added localhost:1221 to ListenAddress in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and I set GatewayPorts to yes.
[23:26] <gorideyourbike> However I still can't access my pi via ssh
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[23:27] <ali1234> gorideyourbike: localhost:1221 means you can only connect to the port from localhost
[23:27] <ali1234> gorideyourbike: try 0.0.0.0:1221 instead
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[23:28] <ali1234> blib: wiringPi i guess (never used it) or just rewrite the code or try to find someone else who already has
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[23:29] <gorideyourbike> ali1234, yeaah! thanks, that was it
[23:30] <jrtappers> Is there a reason that a servo would reboot a raspberry pi B+ running off a 2A power supply?
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[23:30] <ali1234> jrtappers: how did you connect it?
[23:30] <jrtappers> ali1234, power supply to a breadboard, off of that to the pi and servo
[23:30] <[Saint]> perhaps, if that power supply was lying.
[23:30] <[Saint]> which many do.
[23:31] <[Saint]> Got a multimeter on hand?
[23:31] <ali1234> servos can easily draw more than 2A when stalled
[23:31] <ali1234> if they are normal sized
[23:31] <ali1234> not those tiny plastic ones
[23:31] <[Saint]> ah, yeah, good point. asking how large the serve is is a good point.
[23:31] <jrtappers> [Saint], The servo current was measured with the multimeter, but if it is dipping it is doing it faster than the multimeter shows
[23:31] <[Saint]> I was automatically assuming a tiny little hobby servo.
[23:32] <jrtappers> And it is quite a large servo, but I am running no weight on it at the moment
[23:32] <ali1234> servos don't free run, they are geared. so there's a lot of internal load due to friction
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[23:33] <Triffid_Hunter> and inertia
[23:33] <ali1234> that too
[23:33] <[Saint]> the takeaway from this is that it almost certainly would be better off with its own dedicated supply rail.
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[23:33] <[Saint]> even if its having no issue, that's a fine idea.
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[23:34] <jrtappers> [Saint], The project runs off a 5v 2A / 1A battery pack, is there a good way to do it off one supply, or is 2 the best option?
[23:34] <[Saint]> I'm not a particular fan of powering peripherals or hardware with the pi directly.
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[23:34] <[Saint]> mainly for historical reasons, but personally I find it a lot cleaner, and easier to diagnose issue.
[23:34] <ali1234> jrtappers: one of those 18650 battery packs?
[23:34] <ali1234> ebay/amazon chinese special?
[23:35] <ali1234> that thing probably can't supply 2A
[23:35] <jrtappers> ali1234, maybe, it does look like one of the models on ebay for cheap...
[23:35] <ali1234> the raw batteries could but not the boost converters they use
[23:35] <ali1234> they are usually 1A
[23:35] <ali1234> and if they are really cheap there will just be one for both USB ports
[23:36] <jrtappers> And also, would optoisolators switch fast enough servos?
[23:36] <ali1234> switching servos?
[23:36] <djazz> go watch dat smooth OpenArena 60 fps gameplay! :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qJB64gn6Mo
[23:36] <Triffid_Hunter> jrtappers: don't need optos, just two power supplies with the grounds connected together
[23:36] <ali1234> servos are usually PWM controlled unless you mod them
[23:36] <jrtappers> ali1234, To keep the two supplies completely seperate
[23:37] <[Saint]> dat music...
[23:37] <djazz> xD
[23:37] <ali1234> i'm sure openarena had better graphics than that...
[23:38] <jrtappers> Just because the servo will be moving a heavy part via gears, and I don't want a surprise later on
[23:38] <[Saint]> yeah, it seems greatly pared down.
[23:38] <[Saint]> djazz: did you have to drop the textures down?
[23:38] <[Saint]> It looks....wrong.
[23:39] <[Saint]> there's a heap of visible aliasing and the textures look just plain weird.
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[23:39] <ali1234> jrtappers: ah you want to put the PWM through an isolater... okay
[23:39] <H__> soo, an inductive sensor that gives a +12V signal that I need to hook that up to a RPI that sees +3.3V as (max) signal, I can just use 2 resistors to deliver just 3.3V to the rpi. Anything wrong with my line of thinking here ?
[23:40] <djazz> [Saint]: no, forgot to go back to default settings.. it plays nice at 60 even with almost maxed out
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[23:40] <ali1234> just check the datasheet for your chosen isolater, servo PWM is not like Mhz speed or anything so it should be easy
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[23:41] <Triffid_Hunter> you do want microsecond precision though, so get one rated to 1MHz
[23:41] <[Saint]> djazz: what were the settings at in that gameplay vid?
[23:41] <[Saint]> djazz: it looks greatly reduced.
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[23:41] <[Saint]> Even for OpenArena standards
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[23:43] <mrmoney2012> how big is the raspbian image, i mean dd has got through 1.2 gig of it so far
[23:43] <djazz> [Saint]: like lowest, im sorry XD
[23:43] <mrmoney2012> how much left?
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[23:43] <djazz> it runs great at high setting too
[23:43] <djazz> but i was like, gotta record!
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[23:44] <[Saint]> djazz: aha, that's cool, I thought my memory was distorted by my youth, or rather, my lack thereof now.
[23:44] <[Saint]> I recalled it looking a LOT better than that.
[23:44] <[Saint]> The jagged aliasing was really quite off-putting and not somethign I remembered at all.
[23:44] <djazz> xD
[23:45] <djazz> now I'm playing Tremulous 1.0.2 on rpi2 AT 60 FPS!
[23:45] <djazz> before on older pi i only got 20-25 fps
[23:45] <[Saint]> djazz: take a look at AssaultCube
[23:45] <djazz> (ioquake3 mod)
[23:45] <[Saint]> I doubt you'll regret it.
[23:45] <H__> djazz: that's cool. quite a speedup
[23:45] <djazz> i think i tried it once
[23:45] <[Saint]> AssaultCude will be in the debian repos, but, almost certainly not current.
[23:46] <[Saint]> You'll likely have to compile it yourself for netplay.
[23:46] <[Saint]> But, maybe not.
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[23:46] <[Saint]> The debian repos can be out of date at the best of times.
[23:47] <mikh3x4> Hello. I have some trouble running adafriut's hostapd for my edimax nano wifi dongle. The wireless network is visible from my mac but it always gives a connection timeout
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[23:51] <ali1234> can anyone tell me how the composite video out is generated?
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[23:52] <ali1234> does everything get composited to one buffer at aritrary resolution, which is then scaled for the video out?
[23:52] <ali1234> or does it use the overlays directly?
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[23:53] <ali1234> is it possible to get a pixel-perfect overlay regardless of how the main framebuffer is set up?
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[23:54] <ali1234> and does the overscan setting affect the output signal, or just the rasterization of the framebuffer?
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[23:57] <markmcblavage> how could I go about telling if a circuit is complete or not with a raspberry pi?
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[23:58] <markmcblavage> basically I want to hook up two wires to some GPIO pins, and when the circuit isn't complete, have an event fire in the rpi
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