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IRC Log for 2015-02-07

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[0:00] <clever> and you will be sent a copy of every packet in the group (server only has to send 1 copy)
[0:00] <clever> within that, is normal UDP packets with RTP inside them
[0:00] <clever> and the RTP is just a container holding a couple mpegts packets
[0:01] <clever> ive written test apps that can decode all of that
[0:01] <clever> but the crypto is in the way
[0:02] <Bozza> if you could somehow get the keys from your box
[0:02] <clever> yeah
[0:03] <clever> i'm already paying for the service and dvr use, but the hdd is tiny
[0:03] <clever> and it has no priority on auto-delete
[0:04] <Bozza> i can't find any data sheets for the broadcom chip
[0:05] <Bozza> http://archive.linuxgizmos.com/65nm-stb-on-a-chip-runs-linux/
[0:05] <Bozza> here is something
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[0:05] <clever> probly a diff firmware atleast
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[0:06] <Bozza> well yes, the firmware doesn't have to be linux
[0:06] <Bozza> it can be anything
[0:06] <clever> yep
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[0:06] <Bozza> that is up to the cable provider
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[0:08] <clever> Bozza: http://ext.earthtools.ca/videos/fib/sdb1.tar.gz
[0:08] <clever> one of the partitions on the data disk
[0:09] <clever> fat32
[0:09] <Bozza> The design supports Linux and Windows CE, and comes with a “complete set of software drivers and APIs,” Broadcom said.
[0:10] <clever> but you probly have to sign a contract or NDA to get that
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[0:10] <clever> same deal with the pi
[0:11] <Bozza> is etc.bin an archive?
[0:11] <spudtatoe> How can I enable samba on openelec for the pi2
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[0:12] <Bozza> spudtatoe: samba should be preinstalled on openelec
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[0:13] <clever> Bozza: etc.bin: Windows Embedded CE binary image
[0:13] <Bozza> clever: interesting is /content your User Interface?
[0:13] <clever> Bozza: yep, includes many features i dont have
[0:13] <Bozza> and that you pulled from the hdd?
[0:13] <clever> yeah
[0:14] <Bozza> that is quite interesting
[0:14] <clever> thats one entire partition
[0:14] <clever> the other partition has data files like the guide (totaly mangled)
[0:14] <Bozza> usually they store this stuff on internal flash
[0:14] <clever> and 200 files, each 1gig large
[0:14] <clever> fat32 doesnt support large files like mpegts recordings
[0:14] <spudtatoe> dw i got it
[0:14] <clever> so they created 200 files, each 1gig in size, then concat them in software
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[0:16] <clever> Bozza: the .sig files are sha1 hashes of things
[0:16] <Bozza> boot.prf are probably the boot preferences ?
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[0:17] <clever> dont see a boot.prf
[0:18] <clever> but VersionedUserStore.prf is a binary file that contains xml, and a list of apps, twitter, and some radio apps
[0:19] <Bozza> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/57ce8682a10e58182dbd
[0:19] <Bozza> that is what is inside boot.prf
[0:20] <clever> where did you find boot.prf?
[0:20] <Bozza> the dump you gave me
[0:20] <clever> let me check it again
[0:21] <clever> oh
[0:21] <clever> BOOT.PRF
[0:21] <clever> grep is case sensitve
[0:21] <spudtatoe> i keep getting connection refused....
[0:21] <clever> Bozza: let me check my pcap files
[0:21] <spudtatoe> when trying to ssh into the pi...
[0:22] <clever> spudtatoe: either ssh isnt running, or you have the wrong ip
[0:22] <spudtatoe> I have the right ip and its enabled in openelec settings
[0:22] <Bozza> http://imgur.com/S1HhyRL
[0:22] <clever> spudtatoe: open a shell and run 'ps aux|grep ssh' to confirm its running
[0:22] <spudtatoe> how do I do that
[0:23] <clever> dont know how you would get a shell in elec
[0:23] <clever> Bozza: http://privatepaste.com/b76f05317b
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[0:24] <clever> the bootstrap url you found is already in my pcap files
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[0:25] <Bozza> alright so you are saying the sha1 hashes in boot.sig
[0:25] <Bozza> those are the hashes to decrypt the firmware?
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[0:25] <Bozza> getting confused
[0:25] <clever> nope, they are hashes of the files, to confirm they where not modified
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[0:26] <clever> Bozza: http://privatepaste.com/04006adfe1
[0:26] <Bozza> aha ok
[0:26] <Bozza> yep
[0:26] <clever> tamper detection, no crypto
[0:26] <clever> but the boot.sig itself is signed with some crypto
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[0:27] <clever> Bozza: http://privatepaste.com/4402bf0349
[0:27] <clever> they didnt use https, why?!
[0:28] <Bozza> because they are silly badgers
[0:28] <Bozza> haha
[0:28] <clever> :D
[0:28] <ali1234> clever: what am i doing wrong? https://github.com/ali1234/raspi-teletext/blob/devel/main.c
[0:29] <ali1234> change_source doesn't seem to do anything... the callback is being called though
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[0:31] <Bozza> clever: does your provider release any CableCards?
[0:31] <clever> Bozza: havent asked, but probly not
[0:32] <clever> ali1234: looks ok to me, all i can think is to move it into the visible area, and then see what it looks like
[0:32] <ali1234> i havem it looks red (filler)
[0:33] <clever> ah the memset, i see
[0:33] <ali1234> resource[0] is filled with black, 1 is white, 2 is red
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[0:33] <clever> resource 0 isnt populated, calloc doesnt clear the buffer
[0:33] <ali1234> it's set to 2 from main, then the vsync should flip between 0 and 1
[0:34] <clever> let me look at change source closer
[0:34] <ali1234> calloc = clear alloc
[0:34] <clever> ah
[0:34] <ali1234> as opposed to malloc which doesn't touch the memory
[0:34] <clever> ahh, havent used c that much
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[0:35] <spudtatoe> fuck this is pissing me off
[0:35] <Bozza> wow people pay a lot of money for die photos https://chipworks.secure.force.com/catalog/ProductDetails?sku=BRO-BCM7405DTKFEB01G&viewState=DetailView&cartID=&g=&parentCategory=&navigationStr=CatalogSearchInc&searchText=BCM7405
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[0:35] <clever> Bozza: dang
[0:36] <spudtatoe> is osmc better than openelec?
[0:37] <clever> ali1234: let me find my other tv and give it a try
[0:37] <ali1234> hum
[0:38] <ali1234> looks like a silly bug
[0:38] <ali1234> if i change the initial resource to 0 it's still red
[0:38] <clever> ali1234: found my bt848
[0:38] <spudtatoe> maybe its because im using a 10metre ethernet cable??
[0:38] <spudtatoe> ill just reinstall it
[0:39] <ozzzy> what would the length of the ethernet cable have to do with anything
[0:39] <ali1234> i think it's because i'm sharing the image with all three resources
[0:40] <clever> ali1234: the write function copies
[0:40] <ali1234> in theory yes
[0:40] <ali1234> it might be delayed though
[0:40] <clever> so sharing that image shouldnt impact it
[0:40] <ali1234> so they might all end up red
[0:40] <ali1234> testing it...
[0:41] <ali1234> nope that wasn't it
[0:41] <Bozza> apparently you can boot uClinux on your device
[0:41] <Bozza> there is a version of it on source forge that works on your device
[0:42] <ali1234> maybe it's cos i am sharing vc_image_ptr
[0:43] <clever> ali1234: that doesnt do anything, one min
[0:43] <ali1234> again, nope
[0:43] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/interface/vmcs_host/vc_vchi_dispmanx.c#L314
[0:44] <clever> //We don't get an image handle back, so explicitly set this to zero to let the caller know
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[0:44] <clever> *native_image_handle = 0;
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[0:44] <clever> thats what i meant by it doesnt work
[0:44] <ali1234> sure
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[0:45] <clever> ive got a small 'pocket' composite tv
[0:46] <clever> with a massive CF tube behind the lcd
[0:46] <ali1234> okay... the vsync callback only gets called 4 times
[0:46] <ali1234> then it just stops
[0:46] <clever> strange
[0:46] <clever> mine gets called 4+ times per field
[0:46] <ali1234> and then it ends up with red in the display, even though i never once told it to use resource 2
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[0:47] <Bozza> clever: so apparently Microsoft IPTV Bootloader is the one that compares the checksums. If they don't match nk.bin is downloaded again from the providers server
[0:47] <Bozza> clever: apparently it can be patched to turn off the checksum
[0:47] <clever> Bozza: ah
[0:47] <clever> it probly downloads the .sig file every time
[0:47] <Bozza> yea
[0:47] <Bozza> i think so too
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[0:49] <clever> ali1234: let me try running your code now that i'm setup
[0:51] <clever> ali1234: theres something wrong with your code, it only runs vsync 5 times on my system
[0:51] <clever> doesnt match what happens in my test
[0:52] <ali1234> it doesn';t work properly even with the vsync commented
[0:52] <ali1234> //vc_dispmanx_vsync_callback(display, vsync, NULL);
[0:52] <ali1234> and default to resource[1]
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[0:52] <ali1234> it's still red
[0:53] <clever> let me poke around
[0:54] <ozzzy> that's what I said to her at the Bell Canada picnic
[0:54] <clever> lol
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[0:57] <Bozza> clever: http://www.t-hack.com/forum/index.php?board=25.0
[0:57] <Bozza> so these guys know how to patch nk.bin and the boot loader
[0:57] <clever> ali1234: when i run it, i see it blink for a moment, then its blank
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[1:02] <Bozza> clever: http://geekswithblogs.net/KMOS/archive/2010/04/20/patch-an-existing-nk.bin.aspx
[1:02] <Bozza> clever: i guess you have already seen this one?
[1:02] <clever> nope
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[1:03] <Bozza> if you have a windows machine near you see if you can extract anything out of the .bin
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[1:05] <clever> ali1234: i fixed v-sync, but its hard to tell if the image is changing
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[1:07] <clever> ali1234: let me try something the scope can handle better
[1:08] <ali1234> i want to know why it is displaying the wrong resource
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[1:08] <clever> ali1234: its displaying nothing at all after a few frames
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[1:08] <clever> i think your breaking dispmanx entirely
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[1:08] <ali1234> not here
[1:08] <ali1234> like i said, i disabled vsync
[1:09] <clever> i noticed something key, look at the first argument of the callback
[1:09] <clever> its an update token
[1:09] <clever> skip update_start and submit entirely, use the token it provides
[1:09] <ali1234> i'm not calling the callback any more
[1:09] <clever> and vsync works perfectly
[1:09] <ali1234> will do
[1:09] <ali1234> but still
[1:10] <clever> and its hard to see color on a 30 year old pocket tv
[1:10] <clever> so i changed the palet to black, white, grey
[1:10] <clever> i can now see a minor problem on the scope
[1:10] <clever> the 1st scan-line is ~95% of the level of the rest
[1:11] <clever> Bozza: cant find a binmod.exe on my windows system
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[1:14] <clever> ali1234: ah, weird, the update token being passed in isnt valid either
[1:14] <clever> let me try to rewrite it some
[1:14] <ali1234> the vsync callback is NOT the problem at all here
[1:14] <Bozza> clever: hmm yea there is no download link for it either
[1:14] <Bozza> clever: i will check it out once i am more awake
[1:14] <clever> ali1234: i think the problem is using dispmanx inside the callback
[1:14] <clever> i'll try to confirm
[1:15] <ali1234> git pull
[1:15] <ali1234> oh wait
[1:15] <ali1234> now git pull
[1:16] <clever> i think i see a bit of color on the left edge, but it may be my crappy tv
[1:16] <clever> solid red on the rest
[1:16] <ali1234> you should see a big red block covering most of the display
[1:16] <ali1234> now uncomment this block https://github.com/ali1234/raspi-teletext/blob/devel/main.c#L66
[1:18] <clever> i think its purple?
[1:18] <ali1234> it's blue
[1:18] <ali1234> the question is why?
[1:18] <ali1234> the same resource is being displayed
[1:18] <ali1234> supposedly
[1:18] <clever> the hue on this thing is way off
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[1:30] <ali1234> right i'm bug reporting this
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[1:35] <ali1234> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/issues/217
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[1:40] <clever> ali1234: seems i was wrong about the vsync issue
[1:40] <clever> i used pthread to forward the event to another thread, so it runs after the callback
[1:40] <clever> but it still hangs after 4 syncs
[1:43] <clever> the 4th vc_dispmanx_update_submit_sync never returns
[1:43] <clever> so it stops changing resources
[1:45] <clever> ali1234: progress!
[1:46] <ali1234> did anyone ever try to use this stuff?
[1:46] <clever> i have it showing a resource only on every 2nd field
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[1:47] <spudtatoe> yess!
[1:47] <spudtatoe> I finally set it all up
[1:48] <clever> ali1234: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lu0gxetb2h0hiz5/20150206_204822.jpg?dl=0
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[1:48] <clever> ali1234: every 2nd field has an image in it, my v-sync is changing between black and white on each field
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[1:54] <clever> ali1234: https://github.com/cleverca22/raspi-teletext/commit/4a4be6f4d1589c205cc8fe5b2d1596502e6d6475
[1:54] <clever> this has working resource flip on v-sync
[1:54] <clever> and its fast enough to swap resource between fields
[1:55] <clever> but if i remove the print mess, it stops working
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[1:56] <clever> HDTV confirms, every 2nd line is white, which is what i expected from the scope
[1:59] <ali1234> hmm
[1:59] <ali1234> maybe my GPU is just totally confused
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[1:59] <ali1234> maybe reboot will fix it
[1:59] <clever> i think calling these functions right at v-sync is having a mutex conflict somewhere
[1:59] <clever> causing it to soft-lock up
[1:59] <clever> and my print mess is delaying it just enough
[2:00] <ali1234> ... that's really stupid :(
[2:00] <clever> yeah
[2:00] <ali1234> maybe instead of flipping i should just do the mmap thing and never touch dispmanx
[2:00] <ali1234> that way i only need one resource
[2:00] <clever> mmap would let you update the active resource without calling anything
[2:00] <clever> but you may tear
[2:00] <ali1234> i'm sure i can memcpy 11kb in 1ms
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[2:01] <clever> if you put the right sleep in v-sync, you can copy in the middle of a field
[2:01] <clever> long after your image at the top has rendered
[2:01] <ali1234> yeah
[2:01] <ali1234> but at 11kb it will probably catch up with the raster
[2:02] <clever> so create 1 resource&element, then get the memory handle and lock it to get a phys addr
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[2:02] <clever> and make sure to unlock at exit (and make a sigint handler) or youll leak gpu memory
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[2:02] <clever> it must remain locked for the duration of the mmap
[2:03] <ali1234> yep, my test case works correctly now
[2:03] <ali1234> so the gpu was just confused
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[2:03] <clever> direct access like that needs root though
[2:03] <clever> but i could write a driver to fix that
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[2:07] <ali1234> ugh... that yellow rectangle is burning into my tv
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[2:10] <traeak> instructions anywhere for distro maintainers for all these rasppi kernel "extras" ?
[2:11] <clever> traeak: which extras?
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[2:11] <ali1234> clever: if the vsync callback is getting called four times per sync, that would probably cause the deadlocks you're seeing
[2:11] <ali1234> since it would start 4 threads all at once
[2:11] <ali1234> the putcs probably force some kind of synchonization between them
[2:11] <clever> ali1234: i think its sharing one thread
[2:12] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/interface/vmcs_host/vc_vchi_dispmanx.c#L212
[2:12] <clever> this creates a single thread, which will call notify_func when ? happens
[2:12] <ali1234> does it not just create a thread that runs the callback?
[2:13] <clever> i think it creates an event loop that monitors something
[2:13] <clever> and calls that as needed
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[2:14] <clever> ali1234: aha, notify_func is the event loop
[2:14] <clever> while (1)
[2:14] <clever> it calls event_wait, then dequeue, and your v-sync
[2:15] <ali1234> okay. so the callback always runs on the same thread
[2:15] <clever> yep
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[2:15] <clever> my theory was that it held a lock at that point
[2:16] <clever> and trying to grab the lock again would deadlock
[2:16] <clever> but creating a 2nd thread didnt help it
[2:16] <ali1234> so check handle
[2:16] <clever> the update token passed in is 0, invalid
[2:16] <ali1234> if the vsync callback is actually called, handle is null
[2:17] <clever> ah there
[2:17] <clever> different events handled by the same loop
[2:17] <ali1234> yeah
[2:17] <clever> i see
[2:17] <clever> we are using update submit SYNC
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[2:17] <ali1234> so update_sync
[2:18] <ali1234> never gets the callback!
[2:18] <clever> the non-sync version has its callback ran here
[2:18] <ali1234> because we're in another part of the same event loop
[2:18] <clever> i dont think thats it
[2:18] <clever> one min
[2:18] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/interface/vmcs_host/vc_vchi_dispmanx.c#L738
[2:18] <ali1234> the non-sync version doesn't care about the callback
[2:18] <clever> the sync version makes no attempt to wait for that callback
[2:18] <clever> so the send_command is blocking
[2:19] <ali1234> hmm
[2:19] <clever> comparing the 2, they send different commands
[2:19] <clever> so one likely blocks, while the other fires the event for cb
[2:20] <ali1234> yeah
[2:20] <clever> and that would have been fixed by my pthread hack
[2:20] <clever> the 2nd thread would have waited
[2:20] <ali1234> well i don't see why it makes any difference which thread you run it from
[2:21] <clever> one thread will block, and then the other thread can finish and unlock
[2:21] <clever> causing it to recover
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[2:22] <ali1234> i don't see why any thread synchronization is needed at all with this code
[2:22] <ali1234> there is only one thread running, the other one is doing while()
[2:22] <clever> yeah
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[2:24] <clever> ali1234: aha, line 1186 and 1197
[2:24] <clever> all access to dispmanx is protected by that
[2:24] <ali1234> okay, but the notify thread doesn't call it
[2:25] <clever> so the v-sync wont be holding it
[2:25] <clever> and i did have 3 v-sync calls update properly, which prooves that
[2:25] <ali1234> so?
[2:25] <clever> mutex stuff isnt intermitent like that
[2:27] <ali1234> is it possible to rebuild this code?
[2:28] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/buildme
[2:28] <clever> clone the entire thing on a pi, run buildme
[2:28] <clever> it will automaticaly overwrite your /opt/
[2:28] <ali1234> what actually is lock_obtain?
[2:29] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/interface/vmcs_host/vc_vchi_dispmanx.c#L84
[2:30] <clever> and dispmanx_client is static, so the linker wont expose the symbol outside of the file
[2:30] <clever> imposible to access without ugly hacks or changing the source
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[2:31] <ali1234> hmm
[2:31] <ali1234> lock_release calls vchi_service_release
[2:31] <ali1234> notify_func also calls this
[2:31] <clever> which seems to be paired up to service_use
[2:32] <clever> let me see
[2:32] <ali1234> in other places it is paired with service_open
[2:32] <clever> its calling release on something else
[2:32] <clever> a handle that came in
[2:33] <ali1234> ah wait no there's service_close
[2:33] <clever> ah,comments also tell us, line 1296
[2:34] <ali1234> ah okay the matching service_use is in update_submit
[2:34] <clever> but thats only for async update
[2:34] <ali1234> yes
[2:34] <clever> aha, i am using async
[2:34] <clever> let me switch
[2:34] <ali1234> so it's fine even to call these things across threads
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[2:35] <clever> i switched it to sync, that sync call has locked up
[2:35] <clever> after ~4 uses
[2:35] <ali1234> yeah
[2:35] <ali1234> it's never reaching the point where it can free the use count
[2:35] <clever> sync doesnt do that, different command
[2:36] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/interface/vmcs_host/vc_vchi_dispmanx.c#L727
[2:36] <ali1234> sync does do it... in lock_release
[2:36] <clever> via send_command ?
[2:36] <ali1234> presumably
[2:36] <clever> obtain and release are paired up
[2:36] <clever> so it should undo everything
[2:40] <ali1234> sync uses dispmanx_wait_for_reply which uses vchi_msg_dequeue - and so does notify_func
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[2:40] <ali1234> but they use client_handle and notify_handle
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[2:47] <ali1234> i've got the vsync callback doing nothing incrementing a variable
[2:48] <ali1234> looks like about 150 syncs per second
[2:48] <ali1234> which is three per field for PAL
[2:48] <clever> one sec
[2:49] <clever> call gettimeofday in each vsync, diff it against the last one, and record the difference in an array
[2:49] <clever> then print out the list
[2:49] <clever> you should see several short, and one long pause
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[3:01] <ali1234> clever: yes that's what i see
[3:01] <ali1234> in fact the first 20 or so are timed right
[3:01] <ali1234> then it goes bananas
[3:02] <clever> ah, i wasnt using single shot on my scope
[3:02] <clever> so i only saw it going bananas
[3:02] <ali1234> http://paste.debian.net/144384/
[3:02] <ali1234> run for 1 second
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[3:03] <ali1234> 20000 microseconds would be right for pal
[3:03] <clever> you are effectively creating a scope in software
[3:03] <ali1234> heh
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[3:03] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[3:04] <ali1234> clever: so if it's calling the callback 4 times per field... they all happen in sequence
[3:04] <ali1234> and the submit_sync is backing it all up
[3:04] <clever> ah, maybe
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[3:05] <clever> need to measure the time, and only page flip on the long delays
[3:05] <ali1234> or just get them to fix it
[3:05] <ali1234> vsync should only happen once per field or once per frame
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[3:05] <clever> yeah
[3:05] <ali1234> not just whenever it feels like it
[3:06] <ali1234> maybe if the vsync callback returns too soon...
[3:06] <ali1234> maybe this is the problem
[3:06] <ali1234> maybe it then triggers on the next pixel pump mode switch
[3:07] <ali1234> if i make it wait like 200 microseconds after doing what it does...
[3:08] <ali1234> question is, how to do that?
[3:08] <clever> nanosleep has more resolution then sleep
[3:08] <ali1234> usleep does microseconds
[3:09] <Tenkawa> hey any of you running distcc/ccache with your rpi's?
[3:09] <Tenkawa> if so.. thoughts/tweaks/recommendations..
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[3:09] <ali1234> nope that doesn't help at all
[3:10] <ali1234> it just makes the short gaps longer
[3:10] <ali1234> and the long gap shorter
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[3:10] <ali1234> http://paste.debian.net/144385/ - 2000 microsecond delay
[3:11] <Tenkawa> btw can thw videocore memory be disabled completely at boot for a completely headless system or will it not allow that?
[3:11] <ali1234> Tenkawa: no that won't work at all
[3:11] <clever> Tenkawa: it needs atleast 16mb to run
[3:11] <Tenkawa> well darn
[3:11] <Tenkawa> clever: yeah I got it sitting at 16m right now
[3:12] <Tenkawa> oh well :)
[3:12] <Tenkawa> going to add two of those new rpis soon I hope and that will make my experiment a bit easier
[3:12] <Tenkawa> I'm having fun either way
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[3:29] <ali1234> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/issues/218
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[3:34] <woo2> I have a B+, a B, and a rpi camera. Using the same image, the camera works perfectly in the B+, but I get a ENOMEM error on the B
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[3:35] <woo2> any reason why?
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[4:00] <clever> woo2: did you change the gpu_mem in config.txt?
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[4:23] <acidjazz> what are the pi camera specs
[4:24] <acidjazz> is it HD
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[4:26] <Ben64> i'm sure google knows
[4:27] <acidjazz> f that noise
[4:27] <acidjazz> i aint laevin ir
[4:27] <acidjazz> leavin irc*
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[4:41] <woo2> clever: no. it is set to the reccomended 128.
[4:42] <clever> cant think of anything else then
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[4:46] <reptar> mmm, i want to put together an rpi, but i don't have a "big" computer around so how can i ground myself? :3
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[4:48] <clever> reptar: its more important that you are at the same potential as the pi, no voltage difference between you and it
[4:49] <clever> but there is a bigger chance that you will be charged up from walking on carpets
[4:49] <clever> grabbing a metal sink would be a simple way to discharge yourself
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[4:51] <reptar> how would i get to have the same potential as teh device?
[4:51] <clever> simplest answer, grab the pi by the usb/ethernet ports
[4:51] <clever> but if you are charged, you may discharge into the pi, possibly frying it
[4:52] <reptar> / = or?
[4:52] <clever> yeah
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[4:52] <reptar> ok. so touch sink first, then handle by usb ports?
[4:52] <clever> once you grab it by the usb ports, it should be safe to touch anywhere else
[4:53] <reptar> ok, so 1. touch sink, 2. touch usb, 3. work? :3
[4:53] <clever> yep
[4:53] <reptar> ty
[4:53] <clever> and as long as you avoid rubbing against fabrics like carpet, it will be safe to set it down for short bits
[4:54] <clever> depending on how dry the air is, that may include your own clothing
[4:54] <reptar> so i can take my hand off the sink before working?
[4:54] <clever> yep
[4:54] <reptar> all right
[4:54] <reptar> damn it's a shame i'm not alone in the house
[4:54] <reptar> >.>
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[4:56] <reptar> i guess i could keep my hand on the sink the whole time to be sure
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[4:56] <clever> dont need to
[4:56] <reptar> but clothes :o
[4:56] <clever> how dry/humid is it?
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[4:57] <reptar> it's pretty dry
[4:58] <reptar> metservice says 37%
[4:58] <clever> ah, then you might have issues
[4:58] <clever> though i havent gotten a static shock here in years, no carpet in the new house
[4:59] <reptar> hmm, i'd be on lino though
[4:59] <clever> not much of a problem there
[5:00] <reptar> yeah, as opposed to carpet i mean
[5:00] <clever> bbl
[5:01] <reptar> ty
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[5:02] <reptar> if i'm touching the sink the entire time, does that make the humidty irrelevant?
[5:02] <clever> yeah
[5:02] <clever> no way for you to build up a charge
[5:02] <reptar> alright
[5:02] <reptar> thanks
[5:02] <clever> you are effectively wearing a grounding strap
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[5:03] <unitee> hello
[5:03] <clever> but your down a hand :P
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[5:03] <reptar> yeah :P
[5:03] <reptar> night
[5:03] <clever> if your flexible, stick a foot in the sink :P
[5:03] <clever> (without a sock)
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[5:04] <reptar> =)
[5:04] <reptar> i should be ok with one hand, it's an easy case
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[6:14] <BigShip> boop
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[6:18] <abnormal> beep
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[6:26] <ShorTie> burp
[6:29] <BigShip> blip
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[6:34] <abnormal> pop
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[6:35] <abnormal> fizz
[6:35] <abnormal> snap
[6:35] <abnormal> sizzle
[6:36] <abnormal> crackle
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[6:37] <reptar> hmm. idk if this sink thing will work. don't i have to be connected to the ground somehow?
[6:38] <ShorTie> sink think ??
[6:38] <ShorTie> water turned on ??
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[6:38] <ShorTie> s/think/thing
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[6:39] <reptar> ShorTie: the idea that touching a sink will be enough to avoid damaging the pi with static
[6:40] <reptar> no water, obviously
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[6:56] <abnormal> reptar: take an empty tin can and cut the bottom out, cut across side, flatten it, bend over edges so there's no sharp edges, make a tiny hole at one corner, solder a one meg ohm resistor to hole, solder a wire to resistor, tape the exposed resistor and bare wire area, and stick other end of wire in ground terminal of outlet. then you will have a grounding pad.
[6:58] <Chiko> anyone familiar with reading from a microsd card using spi (bitbanging) ? i'm not receiving the expected values as specified here http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/mmc_e.html when initializing
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[7:16] <JohnnyL> Can I make a firewall out of a raspberry pi?
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[7:17] <ShorTie> sure, but the pi isn't best at net tracking
[7:20] <JohnnyL> what the heck is net tracking?
[7:20] <JohnnyL> Im looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3XT1DA9627&cm_re=externel_usb_network_adapter-_-9SIA3XT1DA9627-_-Product
[7:21] <JohnnyL> 100MBs should be ok
[7:21] <JohnnyL> My current firewall is an old pentium.
[7:21] <JohnnyL> running linux.
[7:22] <JohnnyL> hey Alina-malina , you a cop?
[7:23] <Alina-malina> no fbi
[7:23] <ShorTie> since everything is going thru the usb, it will be a bottle neck
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[7:24] <JohnnyL> right, is the rsp 2 any faster?
[7:24] <ShorTie> i got old pc screwed to the wall with smoothwall on it, linux thing
[7:24] <ShorTie> don't think so
[7:25] <JohnnyL> that means then i'm restricked to usb 2.0 speeds?
[7:25] <ShorTie> if i was buy i'd look for a miniatx board with 2 nic's
[7:25] <ShorTie> yes sir
[7:25] <Triffid_Hunter> ah I remember smoothwall, installed it on a 486sx-33 with like 16M of ram once.. ran perfectly
[7:26] <ShorTie> yup, doesn't take a whole buch
[7:26] <Triffid_Hunter> JohnnyL: not just that, but the rpi platform is pretty slow at USB in the first place.. I struggle to push 2MB/s through mine
[7:26] <JohnnyL> i have a full desktop system, but I don't want to lug it around.
[7:26] <JohnnyL> Triffid_Hunter: oh shit. thanks. forget that noise!
[7:26] <JohnnyL> i was going to use one as a webserver.
[7:26] <JohnnyL> not now.
[7:27] <Triffid_Hunter> JohnnyL: odroid C1 has better performance than the rpi, that might interest you
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[7:28] <JohnnyL> Triffid_Hunter: nice, nut i would still be restricted to usb2.
[7:30] <JohnnyL> s/nut/but
[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> JohnnyL: it has a gigabit ethernet port, you could run everything through that
[7:30] <JohnnyL> Triffid_Hunter: ok, as a webserver, but not as a firewall.
[7:30] <Triffid_Hunter> JohnnyL: depends what's on the other side of it I suppose.. I use single ports for firewalls, just put two subnets on it and tell the modem to run in DMZ mode
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[7:33] <JohnnyL> i don't think that'd work for me. Since linux needs two adapters.
[7:33] <JohnnyL> Can this odroid run debian
[7:33] <JohnnyL> ?
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[7:35] <ShorTie> ya, but goto #odroid for more info
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[7:39] <Triffid_Hunter> JohnnyL: why do you think linux needs two adapters?
[7:40] <Triffid_Hunter> JohnnyL: I have the exact thing I just talked about set up on a RPi at home
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[7:40] <Triffid_Hunter> has 192.168.1.1/24 facing a microwave relay and 192.168.5.1/24 facing the LAN with DHCP handing out 192.168.5.x addresses
[7:40] <Triffid_Hunter> both on the one ethernet port
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[7:41] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: IP alias, FTW?
[7:44] <[Saint]> Doesn't the microwave mess up your 2.4GHz wireless? :p
[7:44] <JohnnyL> i'd rather have a setup w/ two adapters.
[7:49] <ShorTie> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/
[7:49] <[Saint]> ...in a microwave.
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[7:58] <reptar> so what operating systems can the 2 run? is there a list?
[7:59] <Triffid_Hunter> Xark: alias? no, I just put multiple ips on eth0
[7:59] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: OK. I believe that kernel feature is called IP alias (at least at one time).
[8:00] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: Where you have (e.g.) eth:1 etc.
[8:00] <Xark> Or, rather eth0:1
[8:01] <Xark> reptar: Not that I have seen. But Linux (with new kernel) and RISC OS (beta), AFAIK.
[8:01] <Triffid_Hunter> Xark: didn't even know about that, sounds pretty silly
[8:02] <reptar> Xark: I also heard about Windows 10 so I wonder if there are others.
[8:02] <Triffid_Hunter> Xark: I just ip addr add eth0 192....
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[8:03] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: Interesting. I have always seen multiple IPs on a single interface this way -> http://www.tecmint.com/create-multiple-ip-addresses-to-one-single-network-interface/
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[8:09] <Xark> reptar: That is vapor currently. No doubt there will be some others (but that is most right there - although lots of Linux "flavors").
[8:09] <Xark> reptar: Also, doesn't look like Windows 10 will be too useful (unless you want to make/deploy Metro apps).
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[8:11] <reptar> yeah, I'm not interested in windows :p
[8:11] <reptar> just other linux distros
[8:12] <Xark> reptar: OpenELEC supports RPi2 now (with Kodi).
[8:14] <Xark> Hey, does anybody understand what the problem is with the "memory split" that caused 256MB to get wasted on RPi2 kernel (due to 3G/1G kernel/user split vs 2G/2G or somesuch)? I understand the concept, but am puzzled why it would affect (e.g.) Sonic Pi.
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[8:19] <[Saint]> reptar: everything the originals could, plus Windows 10 when it happens.
[8:19] <reptar> ok
[8:19] <[Saint]> Though I posit it'll be a vastly reduced variant thereof.
[8:19] <[Saint]> If not, it'll run like a bag of crap.
[8:19] <reptar> lol
[8:20] <Xark> [Saint]: Also, safe bet PC required for development (but we will see).
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[8:20] <[Saint]> Xark: almost certainly.
[8:20] <reptar> In mains powered equipment, exposed metal parts are connected to ground to prevent user contact with dangerous voltage if electrical insulation fails. <== does that mean touching a metal, electric jug would earth me
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[8:22] <Triffid_Hunter> reptar: yes, it should
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[8:23] <reptar> ok
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[11:55] <carl-> not seeing any picture on my newly acquired raspberry pi 2 .. none at all .. any advice on this .. or is it just broken ?? :(
[11:55] <ShorTie> got a sdcard in it ??
[11:56] <ShorTie> any lights blink when power applied ??
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[11:57] <ShorTie> composite or hdmi picture ??
[11:57] <carl-> ShorTie: yes the red light is lit constant
[11:58] <carl-> the yellow blinks like "loading"
[11:58] <carl-> using hdmi ShorTie
[11:58] <ShorTie> ok, thats just power
[11:58] <ShorTie> is the hdmi turn on and set to right video input before powering up the pi ??
[11:59] <carl-> ShorTie: ???? :)
[12:00] <carl-> is the hdmi output not on by default ??
[12:00] <ShorTie> more details pleaze
[12:00] <carl-> do i need to do something in order for it to be a picture from the hdmi ??
[12:00] <ShorTie> only till it see's if it is there, if not it goes to composite
[12:01] <ShorTie> you can force it in config.txt i believe, so it doesn't jump to composite
[12:01] <carl-> hmmm .. well i have it connected to a working monitor through hdmi .. so ..
[12:01] <carl-> ShorTie: how do i edit config.txt without a screen :) ??
[12:01] <pksato> hdmi to hdmi or hdmi to dvvi cable?
[12:02] <carl-> pksato: last try was hdmi - dvi actually
[12:02] <ShorTie> windows pc
[12:02] <carl-> ShorTie: windows pc ..hmm dont have one ..
[12:03] <ShorTie> ah, see, then not true hdmi
[12:03] <ShorTie> just about any pc can do it, just a windows text file
[12:03] <carl-> i tried yesterday with other monitor with hdmi - hdmi ..and same thing then
[12:04] <carl-> ShorTie: ok but how do i access it ??
[12:04] <ShorTie> but alot of those dvi-hdmi adapters do not work with the pi
[12:05] <carl-> i see
[12:05] <ShorTie> text editor
[12:05] <ShorTie> does the adapter have it's own power source ??
[12:06] <carl-> ShorTie: yes
[12:06] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[12:07] <pksato> dvi need some settings on config.txt, hdmi-hdmi in some cases.
[12:07] <Chiko> anyone familiar with "bitbanging" spi to communicate with a micro sd card?
[12:07] <pksato> and, some hdmi to dvi is no digital. is vga, not work with rpi.
[12:07] <pksato> not digital
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[12:09] <pksato> and, updated OS image?
[12:09] <pksato> or noobs.
[12:10] <carl-> http://ur1.ca/jo0x8
[12:10] <carl-> thats the config.txt i have ..
[12:12] <carl-> hdmi_ignore_cec_init=1
[12:12] <carl-> could that be it ??
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[12:14] <pksato> carl-: include hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[12:14] <pksato> and hdmi_safe=1
[12:15] <carl-> thanks
[12:15] <pksato> if works, need to play with other related paramemeters
[12:16] <pksato> but, It is a new/flesh recent last week donwloades OS image?
[12:16] <carl-> today
[12:16] <carl-> :)
[12:18] <carl-> no luck :(
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[12:20] <pksato> have ethernet conneted, leds lit after some time?
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[12:29] <carl-> well now tried with the latest openelec .. same thing
[12:29] <carl-> black
[12:30] <carl-> well well .. need to attend a little lunch session thanks for the help you guys .. will keep looking and try to solve it later ..
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[12:36] <Habbie> so, adobe flash
[12:36] <Habbie> what about it on pi? :)
[12:37] <pksato> Ask adobe.
[12:37] <Habbie> also why do i have a small rainbow square flashing in and out in the top right corner of my screen? also noticed this outside of x11
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[12:45] <morts> h
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[12:56] <morts> have someone tried running sabnzbd on the new pi?
[12:58] <morts> or as an openvpn server?
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[13:04] <morts> h
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[13:14] <Splintor> allo folks
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[13:17] <Aldem> Allo
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[13:18] <morts> elo
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[13:19] <morts> have anyone tried running opepn server o the latest pi?
[13:19] <Splintor> question, i've just put raspbian on a 32gig microsd,dropped it into a A+ pi, but its just staying solid red lights. put the sd card back into my laptop and i cannot get ubuntu to show me the card to verify whats on it. any ideas?
[13:19] <Splintor> i used DD commands to put the img on
[13:19] <Splintor> and i can redo it again no hassle
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[13:19] <Splintor> but can't actually view the files
[13:20] <ShorTie> sounds like a bad write
[13:21] <Ben64> Splintor: pastebin "sudo parted -l"
[13:21] <ShorTie> what was your dd command ??
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[13:22] <Splintor> Ben64, http://pastebin.com/3BN2t4dp
[13:23] <Splintor> ShorTie, sudo dd if=2015-01-31-raspbian.img of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 bs=2M
[13:23] <Splintor> brb
[13:23] <ShorTie> oops, of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 wrongo
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[13:24] <morts> yup :)
[13:24] <morts> bigtime
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[13:25] <supay> hey
[13:25] <supay> how could i interface a breadboard with my rpi's gpio?
[13:25] <supay> without the jumper cable
[13:26] <pksato> ah?
[13:26] <ShorTie> female header ??
[13:26] <supay> ShorTie: i haven't got that.. is there no other way?
[13:27] <pksato> supay: get some jummper connector from salvaged devices.
[13:27] <ShorTie> you talking 1 of those plastic things with a bunch of holes in it ??
[13:27] <pksato> old pc case have some.
[13:27] <supay> pksato: no access to devices.. at college :(
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[13:27] <supay> ShorTie: yep!
[13:28] <pksato> or, floppy or ide 40 pins cable.
[13:28] <pksato> have a cat5 wires?
[13:28] <pksato> spare wires? any wires?
[13:29] <Splintor> huh? i don't get where i went wrong, should it have been p0?
[13:29] <ShorTie> need some female sockets too of some kind
[13:29] <supay> YES!
[13:29] <supay> i have cat5 wire
[13:29] <supay> sure, i think i can arrange spare wires
[13:29] <ShorTie> maybe Splintor
[13:30] <pksato> and, have problem if you blow up RPI?
[13:30] <supay> pksato: YES! :P
[13:30] <pksato> get jumpper wires.
[13:30] <ShorTie> you plugging this into a linux box, what does it show up as in dmesg
[13:31] <supay> ShorTie: hm.. are you still talking to me? :/
[13:31] <supay> pksato: looking for a place in my city! thanks for the help guys!
[13:32] <supay> i would love to experiment with the cat5 cable.. but i just got the rpi, dont want to blow it up :P
[13:32] <ShorTie> more like 'of=/dev/sda' or 'of=/dev/mmcblk0' most likely
[13:32] <pksato> even with propper cable, you fry you rpi.
[13:33] <supay> pksato: okay, im in.
[13:33] <supay> what do i do?
[13:33] <supay> wait, do you mean it *will* fry the rpi? or it *can* ?
[13:33] <Splintor> ok i think it should be mmcblk0, ShorTie , mind explaining what the error was there? what was it?
[13:34] <pksato> will fry.
[13:35] <ShorTie> you tried to write it to the first partition instead of the whole card
[13:35] <Splintor> ahh
[13:35] <supay> pksato: -." not helping here.. :(
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[13:37] <pksato> just advising you.
[13:38] <supay> hmm, alright..
[13:38] <ShorTie> supay, if you do not have some kind of female thing to go onto the pi, you very well could fry it
[13:39] <supay> ShorTie: oh, okay..
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[13:39] <ShorTie> go get some dupot wires
[13:40] <ShorTie> proper tools for best job as they say
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[13:41] <Splintor> ok that looks to have made the difference, now to try ssh, cheers all
[13:41] <Splintor> thanks ShorTie
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[14:16] <ant_thomas> Does anyone have a reliable source of microUSB cables? Maybe an ebay seller who you know sells decent cables?
[14:18] <ozzzy> I get them at the local liquidator
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[14:19] <manitou> :) go out and by it for 1$ in secondhand shop ! ;)
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[14:24] <ozzzy> well... the pis left memphis overnight and are now in missisauga
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[14:25] <ShorTie> Cool
[14:25] <john_rambo> Hi, is it possible to install Raspbmc and Wheezy as dual boot ?
[14:25] <ShorTie> my rpi2 should be here today too...
[14:26] <ozzzy> I don't expect mine here today
[14:27] <ShorTie> nifty, http://nightly.raspberrypi.org/nightlyfirmware/ , from apt-get
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[14:29] <shiftplusone> those are currently broken
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[14:38] <ShorTie> blaaa, wolfram-engine 142 MB/229 MB
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[14:38] <ShorTie> the firmware is broken ??
[14:39] <shiftplusone> actually, no sorry, it looks fine.
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[14:40] <ShorTie> you know what i think should have been upgrade/changed on the new pi's ??
[14:40] <ShorTie> should have made the gpio pins female
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[14:41] <ShorTie> be safer to static and easier to hook up too...
[14:41] <ShorTie> In My Humble Opinion
[14:41] <ozzzy> male/male ribbon cables are cheap
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[14:41] <ozzzy> so are female/female
[14:42] <ShorTie> i had to gut a 80 pin ide cable just to make a gpio gaurd
[14:44] <ShorTie> kitty proof it, lol.
[14:44] <ozzzy> I have a pile of IDE and SCSI cables
[14:44] <ozzzy> none of which are worth a pinch of coon poop
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[14:57] <ozzzy> I'm glad they went to a 40-pin header though
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[15:05] <erming> aaah yiss.. my raspberry has arrived
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[15:28] <johang> is there model a+ schematics out there somewhere? can only find b+ on github.
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[16:47] <benxyzzy> dmesg says "[16658.026696] NTFS-fs error (device sda1): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option nobootwait." The offending line in /etc/fstab is "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs defaults,user,nobootwait 0 0" . How do I stop startup waiting forever, when the RPi starts without the external drive connected?
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[16:49] <ShorTie> most likely by taking that line out of fstab
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[16:49] <ShorTie> try just putting a '#' in front of it to see
[16:50] <benxyzzy> ShorTie: I want it to *try* to automount, but continue booting in the event of failure. I want the functionality of nobootwait :) Am I right in thinking Raspbian can't do this?
[16:51] <pksato> benxyzzy: noaouto
[16:51] <pksato> uh..
[16:51] <pksato> noauto,user
[16:51] <pksato> and, need to mount on first use.
[16:52] <pksato> but, automount is more transparent. and, not need fstab entry.
[16:52] <ShorTie> think it will still automount but with like no symlink /dev/sda1 -> /media/sda1
[16:53] <ShorTie> that is what i was thinking pksato
[16:53] <pksato> Unrecognized mount option nobootwait.
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[16:55] <ShorTie> just making a symlink that only becomes active when the hdd is plugged in would most likely still do what he wants i think
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[16:56] <benxyzzy> pksato: what do you mean by "automount" ? Google suggests it's another prog, but doesn't look to be installed on my RPi or searchable via apt-cache
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[16:57] <pksato> automount is not necessary name of program.
[16:57] <Froolap> benxyzzy: man mount
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[16:59] <pksato> but, I dont like these automounting.
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[17:11] <daddio190> does anyone know if the new pi 2.0 can be combined with the old B+?
[17:12] <ShorTie> as in how ??
[17:12] <ShorTie> cool, A9 Audio Force audio out through HDMI or 3.5mm jack , that could be handy for folks
[17:13] <daddio190> in a way to combine the specs
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[17:13] <ShorTie> sorry, don't understand what your trying to do
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[17:14] <daddio190> i have the B+, how can i get better specs?
[17:14] <ShorTie> buy a rpi2
[17:14] <ShorTie> there is no upgrading pi's
[17:15] <ShorTie> what you got, is what you got
[17:15] <daddio190> haha, but I dont want to just trash my B+, i cant use it with the 2.0?
[17:15] <Payo> do something else with it
[17:15] <ShorTie> don't understand the 'with' part
[17:16] <daddio190> yea, im new to this, just trying to figure out what i can do
[17:18] <daddio190> and i am hesitant to hook my B+ up to my 42in tv for video play, will it work/not work?
[17:18] <Payo> openelec works on the pi 1, it's just that the menus aren't that fast
[17:19] <Payo> you can use an android app to control it to avoid using the menus though
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[17:21] <Dragonkeeper> o/
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[17:25] <Dragonkeeper> can anyone help me get a dot matrix working ? this one i have is 2x (8x8) using max7219 chips
[17:25] <omfgtora> does he think it is just a part? does he not know it is a full computer?
[17:25] <omfgtora> the daddio190 guy
[17:26] <omfgtora> Dragonkeeper: have you tried looking for tutorials?
[17:27] <omfgtora> i've never worked with a dot matrix before, but if you show me your tutorials i would be glad to lend a hand understanding them
[17:27] <omfgtora> as much as i can do, at least
[17:28] <Dragonkeeper> yes and no, i had a little roam around but its alot different from what im used to
[17:28] <Dragonkeeper> ok let me just get out of the cli :)
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[17:32] <Dragonkeeper> ok back
[17:32] <omfgtora> welcome back
[17:32] <Dragonkeeper> i was looking at this http://ozzmaker.com/2013/01/16/raspberry-pi-and-an-8x8-led-matrix-using-c/
[17:33] <omfgtora> are you familiar with C?
[17:33] <Dragonkeeper> somewhat, im far from expert :P
[17:33] <omfgtora> yeah, same
[17:34] <omfgtora> so, where are you running into trouble?
[17:35] <omfgtora> just so you know, i am at work so i may disappear randomly, but i'll be back.
[17:35] <Dragonkeeper> well to start off i kinda just wanted some advice in the code process.. like for example this has 1 8x8 i have 2 8x8x side by side
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[17:36] <Dragonkeeper> oh and in this exapmle theres a i2cdetect command .. i dont have that ... do i need it lol
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[17:56] <supay> hey, i got a 40pin IDE cable.. but one hole is blocked
[17:56] <supay> can i really drill the hole/cut the ground pin?
[17:59] <supay> ShorTie: ^
[17:59] <ShorTie> some times it just a plug
[18:00] <ShorTie> but ya, with a knife or drill it can be opened up
[18:00] <supay> ah, alright. sorry to ping! thanks :)
[18:01] <ShorTie> No Problem
[18:01] <ShorTie> finding a danerous command, 'sudo apt-get remove --auto-remove --purge libx11-.*'
[18:01] <ShorTie> Laughs Out Loud
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[18:05] <supay> ShorTie: that plastic blocking the hole is too hard. i thought it would puncture with a push-pin, but i doubt that would work. can i just cut off the GND pin on the RPi? is that advisable? would i need it later?
[18:07] <ant_thomas> You might want it later
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[18:18] <supay> ant_thomas: ah, alright. thanks :)
[18:18] <Dragonkeeper> hmm ok so i installed i2c-tools , ran raspi-config enabled i2c rebooted i dont have a i2c device (i2cdetect) or am i looking at this the wrong way
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[18:23] <Bilby> hmm. I don't know how, but somehow i created a new user on this install that doesn't log into a shell O_o
[18:23] <Bilby> or at least not into bash
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[18:28] <PovAddict> is there a more "minimal" raspbian image?
[18:28] <PovAddict> I don't want any GUI package, such as LXDE (let alone the proprietary preinstalled apps like minecraft)
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[18:30] <Bilby> PovAddict minibian, raspibian-server, or do a build package
[18:30] <Bilby> I like minibian
[18:30] <antoon> minibian sounds like a great name for my first born
[18:31] <antoon> and, also like the solution of my question
[18:31] <Bilby> hah
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[18:33] <Bilby> Minibian is nice for headless installs since it has SSH enabled by default, so you never need a KVM available for it
[18:34] <Bilby> I'm literally SSH'd into a brand new install right now, running updates :P
[18:34] <Bilby> it'll be a LAMP test server in an hour or so
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[18:38] <supay> hey im curious.. does the ide cable completely cover the gpio pins?
[18:38] <supay> dont want to force it on and break anything..
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[18:40] <Bilby> IDE cable?
[18:40] <antoon> I'm on the same page as PovAddict, Bilby. I dont want GUI, but guess the 'standard' packages would be nice
[18:40] <Bilby> yeah it's a bit annoying to install stuff like raspi-config but it's not too bad. it's a good baseline install
[18:41] <Bilby> that's the only thing i install every time, otherwise it depends on the use
[18:41] <supay> Bilby: the ribbon cable..
[18:43] <ShorTie> hehe, couple commands and 758M used
[18:43] <Bilby> supay I don't know which one you're using, but yes, most of them go "all the way over" the pins so there is no visible pin left. It will probably be quite stiff, just gently rock the connector on
[18:44] <ShorTie> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4745/how-to-uninstall-x-server-and-desktop-manager-when-running-as-headless-server
[18:44] <supay> Bilby: ah, alright.. thanks :) sorry about the vague question haha
[18:44] <Bilby> you better be! :P
[18:44] <supay> :P
[18:45] <steve_rox> anyone had much luck with minecraft server on rpi2?
[18:45] <steve_rox> its running but its moaning a lot about tick rates slow
[18:45] <Bilby> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[18:45] <Bilby> unable to fill /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i with padding: No space left on device
[18:46] <Bilby> CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
[18:46] <Bilby> i forgot to expand the filesystem
[18:46] <steve_rox> yes
[18:46] <steve_rox> [17:46:07] [Server thread/WARN]: Can't keep up! Did the system time change, or is the server overloaded? Running 2920ms behind, skipping 58 tick(s)
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[18:46] <steve_rox> not sure how to resolve
[18:46] <Dragonkeeper> whats the default web browser ... keeps logging me into mobile versions of sitesand complaining about a ton of redirects from others ;/
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[18:50] <Bilby> steve_rox not sure on that one, haven't had any experience on the B 2 yet?
[18:50] <Bilby> not ? but .
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[18:51] <Bilby> rootfs 29G 411M 28G 2% /
[18:51] <Bilby> yay for good documentation and on-the-fly partition resizing
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[18:53] <_Leonick> Dragonkeeper default webbrowser, in raspbian anyway, GNOME Web (aka Epiphany) https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web
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[18:55] <Dragonkeeper> ok thanks
[18:56] <PovAddict> Bilby: 32GB SD card?
[18:56] <morts> have anuö
[18:57] <morts> have anyone tried the new pi as openvpn server, speeds etc?
[18:57] <PovAddict> Bilby: your raspberry pi has more storage than my VPS
[18:58] <omfgtora> 32gb cards are cheap
[18:58] <abnormal> yeh and they have chips in them to snoop your pc...
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[18:59] <omfgtora> wat?
[18:59] <Dragonkeeper> tin foil hat time
[18:59] <abnormal> lol
[18:59] <morts> finally, the future is here :-)
[18:59] <omfgtora> !g weird al foil
[18:59] <abnormal> yup
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[19:02] <PVince81> hello, electronics noob here
[19:03] <PVince81> I saw schematics that wire up a LED+resistor from GPIO to ground
[19:03] <PVince81> and others wire the GPIO to 3.3V
[19:03] <PVince81> is there any difference?
[19:03] <steve_rox> yeah the mc server moans then auto shutsdown when it cant catch up
[19:04] <PovAddict> PVince81: if I understand correctly, the difference is whether the LED will turn on when given a low or a high signal on the GPIO
[19:04] <PVince81> PovAddict: yes, seems so. But other than that there is no difference ?
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[19:04] <PVince81> PovAddict: or is the GPIO weaker to output 3.3v itself maybe
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[19:05] <PVince81> anyway, thanks :-)
[19:06] <turtlehat> what sort of gui code editor are you guys using on the rpi?
[19:06] <Dragonkeeper> gedit :P
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[19:06] <manitou> hola is RPI (512) enough to run OpenVPN + Tonido (cloud) Arch Arm Linux ? Medium overclocked . No DE . :)
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[19:10] <turtlehat> Dragonkeeper, will gedit run in lxde?
[19:11] <turtlehat> <- newb
[19:11] <Dragonkeeper> it should run in any de/wm
[19:12] <turtlehat> nice, looks slick
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[19:17] <Dragonkeeper> how do you guys get youtube-dl to stream to omxplayer ?
[19:18] <Gadgetoid> Have the videocore address locations changed on Pi 2?
[19:18] <antoon> Arent the videocaore addresses from the OS?
[19:19] <Gadgetoid> I have no idea! I've been shooting in the dark for about a week trying to get this WS2812 code working on Pi 2
[19:19] <antoon> Pretty sure it's from the OS :p
[19:20] <Gadgetoid> And I'm looking very suspiciously at this line: "unsigned int phys_pwm_fifo_addr = 0x7e20c000 + 0x18;" and also at the lack of DMA engine kernel modules at boot on Pi 2
[19:20] <antoon> Mhm, arent those memory addresses?
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[19:24] <Gadgetoid> Wonder if it's anything to do with snd_pcm_dmaengine
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[19:38] <steve_rox> minecraft server on rpi2 does not seem very viable
[19:39] <l_r> steve_rox, why not?
[19:39] <steve_rox> it moans about tick rate
[19:39] <steve_rox> then server auto closes after a tick rate level reached
[19:40] <Dragonkeeper> the gpio pins of rpi B+ and rp2 are the same right ?
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[19:40] <steve_rox> i think do
[19:40] <steve_rox> so
[19:40] <Dragonkeeper> hmm ok
[19:41] <Dragonkeeper> this is annoying me
[19:42] <Gadgetoid> Looks like Servo Blaster is scuppered, too
[19:42] <Gadgetoid> Dragonkeeper: physically the same, but software might behave differently
[19:44] <Dragonkeeper> trying get 2x (8x8) led matrixes to work but when i plug the board into gpio all the leds come on and i cant work out wth im doing lol
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[19:50] <steve_rox> yea i need to hookup my rpi lcd matrix thing too
[19:51] <Dragonkeeper> i just tried to use someones example of a blinking led in python and output told me i cant load module unless im using a raspberry pi
[19:51] * Dragonkeeper facepalms
[19:51] <steve_rox> yeah i get that issue too
[19:51] <steve_rox> theres a fix somewhere
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[19:52] <steve_rox> i know i had the page here somewhere
[19:53] <steve_rox> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=98466&p=685804
[19:53] <steve_rox> thats it i think
[19:55] <Dragonkeeper> oh so update to dev version
[19:55] <steve_rox> i think its the only fix available
[19:56] <Dragonkeeper> hmm worth a go
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[19:58] <Dragonkeeper> steve_rox: so much effor to make a binary clock lolz
[19:58] <steve_rox> probly take you longer to read the actual time than it is to build
[19:59] <Dragonkeeper> ;)
[19:59] <steve_rox> gotta figure out how to install this gpio dev ver
[19:59] <Dragonkeeper> http://sourceforge.net/p/raspberry-gpio-python/wiki/install/
[19:59] <steve_rox> yea
[20:00] <steve_rox> then rember how to install deb files
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[20:00] <Dragonkeeper> dpkg -i file.deb ??
[20:00] <steve_rox> probly sudo too
[20:00] <Dragonkeeper> most likely lol
[20:01] <steve_rox> sudo go_faster
[20:02] <Dragonkeeper> sudo make sandwich
[20:02] <steve_rox> with raspberry jam in it?
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[20:03] <Dragonkeeper> call upon sudo and get anything you want xD
[20:03] <steve_rox> yeah
[20:03] <steve_rox> magic wizard king tool
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[20:05] <Dragonkeeper> ok the dev versin isnt issuing an error atm
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[20:06] <steve_rox> the replace dident work maybe reboot needed
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[20:08] <Dragonkeeper> well my led blink works...
[20:08] <Dragonkeeper> suppose thats a start lol
[20:10] <Dragonkeeper> now i need to work out how to do 128 leds xD
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[20:12] <steve_rox> i attempted to install no effect maybe i got wrong one
[20:12] <steve_rox> brb
[20:12] <Dragonkeeper> ok
[20:12] <steve_rox> gonna get foodz
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[20:41] <intothev01d> so i'm running the latest version of Raspbian and trying to install bluetooth utilities to use bluetoothctl. so far i've installed `bluetooth bluez-utils blueman` but for some reason I'm getting `bluetoothctl : command not found`. I thought this was part of bluez-utils?
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[21:02] <Dragonkeeper> something wrong with weechat on pi.. keeps freezing from buffer
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[21:02] <abnormal> use Konversation
[21:02] <abnormal> or Xchat
[21:02] <Dragonkeeper> need cli
[21:03] <ozzzy> irssi
[21:03] <abnormal> yuk
[21:04] <abnormal> hate irssi
[21:04] <abnormal> no gui
[21:04] <bindi> no shit :D
[21:04] <Dragonkeeper> lol
[21:04] <ozzzy> so... no gui... pfft
[21:04] <abnormal> lol
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[21:04] <Dragonkeeper> who needs a gui for irc ... likr seriously :P
[21:04] <abnormal> terminal stuff suks
[21:05] <bindi> works just fine :P
[21:05] <bindi> easy n simple
[21:05] <Caleo> I don't consider anything with the terminal "easy" or "simple"
[21:05] <abnormal> as lost_soul says...
[21:05] <abnormal> yay!!!
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[21:06] <Caleo> having to know (or consult help for) commands kinda defeats both "easy" and "simple"
[21:06] <bindi> easier and simpler to use once you know how to use it properly, then.
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[21:06] <Caleo> oh right, because just doing things with key combos or clicking is so much harder than commands and args
[21:07] <Caleo> ..
[21:07] <abnormal> if one wants to spend life learning it
[21:07] <Caleo> I will never get the hardcore terminal geeks out there
[21:07] <Caleo> more powerful? perhaps.
[21:07] <bindi> i'm not a hc terminal geek, i used mirc since i was 11 or so, changed to irssi at 15ish i think
[21:07] <Caleo> normal people don't have the time to devote to learning all that bullshit
[21:07] <bindi> now 20 :p
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[21:08] <bindi> i didnt know anything about irssi so yeah i had to ask everything
[21:08] <abnormal> wow, bindi you got lucky...
[21:08] <Caleo> I've been using mirc/hexchat for the better part of 15 years
[21:08] <Caleo> mirc/xchat/hexchat, rather
[21:08] <Caleo> mirc does kinda suck
[21:08] <Caleo> hexchat is pretty damn good
[21:08] <bindi> i like mirc too
[21:09] <bindi> but just not as my main client :P
[21:09] <Caleo> I don't like mirc because it doesn't do shit without addons
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[21:09] <bindi> i actually have mirc open! but it was because i had to test some scripts
[21:09] <Caleo> where hexchat will automatically ident and shit
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[21:09] <ozzzy> at least with irssi you don't need hundreds of megs of bloatware to run it
[21:09] <Caleo> does mirc even autoconnect / autojoin these days without a damn addon?
[21:10] <bindi> it has done that for ever :P
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[21:11] <Caleo> not the last time I used it
[21:11] <bindi> http://bindibox.net/ul/2015/02/07/54d6715481626.png
[21:11] <bindi> http://bindibox.net/ul/2015/02/07/54d671761dcf8.png
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[21:12] <Caleo> relatively new functionality I suppose
[21:12] <Caleo> I've not used mirc for at least 5 years
[21:12] <Caleo> and now I feel old
[21:12] <bindi> 06/06/2002 - mIRC v6.02
[21:13] <bindi> 42.Perform on connect section now allows you to specify a different set of commands for each network. Moved perform dialog to connect section.
[21:13] <bindi> :P
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[21:13] <bindi> 34.Added global Join on connect option to favorites dialog.
[21:13] <bindi> 6.17
[21:13] <bindi> 17/02/2006 - mIRC v6.17
[21:13] <Caleo> that sounds more accurate
[21:13] <bindi> well you could /join with perform :-D
[21:14] <bindi> so the functionality is there :P
[21:14] <Caleo> probably around 2005 I stopped using mirc
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[21:17] <Gadgetoid> I swear IRC bounces just to annoy me...
[21:17] <turtlehat> can windows still not network?
[21:17] <turtlehat> ;)
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[21:20] <Dragonkeeper> do bricks float ?
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[21:20] <abnormal> some do
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[21:21] <abnormal> a real brick will float in liquid Mercury.... lol
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[21:22] <Dragonkeeper> so what your sayibng is .. yes under a very rare occasion that these rare things happen
[21:23] <abnormal> yes.. unexpected too.
[21:23] <Dragonkeeper> turtlehat: you can take that as your answer too lol
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[21:25] <turtlehat> i keep all my bricks in mercury
[21:25] <Dragonkeeper> i dunno if itt is the pi or weechat but my buffers get some serious lag even with just typing or swapping between
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[21:26] <supay> hey guys, any of you breadboard pros? :/
[21:26] <Dragonkeeper> define .. pro
[21:26] <supay> ive got this breadboard - http://elementzonline.com/bread-board-gl-12-87 - and dont know which side is the 'positive section' of the breadboard
[21:26] <supay> Dragonkeeper: if you can answer my question, definitely pro :P
[21:26] <ozzzy> whichever side you want
[21:27] <ozzzy> if you don't like one side... turn it around the other way
[21:27] <Dragonkeeper> a bread board doesnt have power till u give it .. so where ever uwant it
[21:27] <supay> wait, im supposed to power this thing? :/
[21:27] <ozzzy> yes
[21:27] <supay> like with a 9V battery?
[21:27] <ozzzy> yes
[21:28] <supay> WHOA! cool!
[21:28] <supay> thanks guys! <3
[21:28] <Dragonkeeper> the lines on the side go down + and - and the lines in middle go across to connect componants :)
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[21:31] <Kealper> a Pi can power the breadboard too, just be mindful of what you connect to it, as things like Arduinos and Pis can't supply much current
[21:31] <supay> Dragonkeeper: ah, that makes sense! thanks!
[21:31] <supay> Kealper: okay..
[21:32] <supay> just want to make the damn led blink! :P
[21:32] <Kealper> yep, that'd be fine for directly powering from a Pi or Arduino then lol
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[21:32] <Kealper> was just meaning like, don't try to run electric motors and stuff off them, or a huge string of LEDs, since that would take too much current and could burn out the pin on the Pi
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[21:33] <supay> weird
[21:34] <supay> it says 330E on the resistor 'packet'
[21:34] <supay> but when i type the band colors on the website.. that adds up to 32ohms
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[21:35] <Dragonkeeper> hmmm actually maybe its the repos... weechat is a seriously old version
[21:35] <pksato> correct.
[21:35] <pksato> 330 is 33Ohms.
[21:36] <pksato> 33x10^0 or 33*1
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[21:37] <pksato> If want 330 Ohms, need a onde with 331 mark (Orange Orange Brow).
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[21:37] <supay> wow, i wonder how you guys haven't gone crazy yet
[21:37] <supay> kudos
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[21:44] <pksato> ah... packet is a bag? I thought that is smd marking. :) but, coding can be valid.
[21:44] <turtlehat> 330 Ehms*
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[21:51] <Dragonkeeper> stock repo version lists 0.3.8 so i addedanother and updated to 1.1.1 hopefully that solves the issue
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[22:23] <Dragonkeeper> i dont seem to have issues with the update but cant connect to favorite irc server :( always something lol
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[22:33] <ali1234> clever: i had an idea today... if i hook the composite out to an RF modulator and plug it into my rtl-sdr, i should be able to see the full raw frame signal - and capture it for inspection.
[22:33] <clever> ah nice
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[22:33] <clever> just need to make sure the SDR can go to that freq range
[22:33] <ali1234> so i am etching a PCB edge connector that will plug into an old N64 RF modulator i found in a box
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[22:34] <clever> most SDR will down-convert a channel by basicaly multiplying it with a sine wave at a given freq
[22:34] <ali1234> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/receiving-ntsc-analogue-tv-gnu-radio/
[22:34] <ali1234> rtl-sdr has about 2mhz bandwidth which is enough for low quality black and white
[22:34] <clever> ah
[22:34] <ali1234> it will be enough to count lines and sync pulses etc
[22:34] <Dragonkeeper> sdr <3
[22:35] <clever> i'm guessing the color burst will get smoothed out, by being over 2mhz
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[22:35] <clever> and the main color signals as well
[22:35] <ali1234> yes, definitely
[22:35] <ali1234> even "pixels" will get squashed together
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[22:35] <clever> yeah, analog stuff like vga/ntsc/pal has no real pixels
[22:35] <ali1234> but the euqalization pulses and a whole line
[22:36] <ali1234> *are
[22:36] <clever> just lines of analog data
[22:38] <clever> i can also see ways that some SDR would be able to receive the color data, but you would loose luminance and everything else
[22:38] <clever> IQ works by multiplying the input signal by a sine, and cosine of a single freq
[22:38] <clever> and thru some fun math, you can work out the phase difference of the incoming signal (color or color burst) relative to the local clock
[22:39] <clever> if you know the phase offset of the burst in software, you can correct the phase offset of the main color signals
[22:39] <clever> its a cheaty way to get phase of a high freq signal with low freq sampling
[22:39] <clever> but it likely wont get the near-DC sync stuff
[22:40] <clever> ah wait, i think IQ also gets low freq, just works a bit diff
[22:42] <ShorTie> it comes with a mini book .. ;/~
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[22:49] <ShorTie> 4 raspberiies, cool
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[22:57] <PVince81> anyone using archpi?
[22:57] * ShorTie thinkz, lets get those rasberries all the way across the top
[22:57] <PVince81> since the last update from an hour ago, root is always mounted read-only
[22:57] <PVince81> I already fsck'ed all partitions
[22:58] <PVince81> no clue in dmesg/logs
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[23:00] <PVince81> hmm seems to be a common issue, could be a bad update: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8321
[23:02] <ShorTie> shiftplusone went thru that the other day with someone, search the logs maybe
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[23:02] <PVince81> ok looks like I need to rename config.txt.pacnew to config.txt, same for cmdline.txt
[23:02] <PVince81> trying that
[23:03] <PVince81> it now has an explicit "rw" argument
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[23:04] <PVince81> phew, problem solved
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[23:04] <ShorTie> what was it ??
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[23:05] <PVince81> ShorTie: when doing a distro upgrade of Archpi
[23:05] <PVince81> it actually didn't replace config.txt and cmdline.txt in /boot
[23:06] <PVince81> it just created new files config.txt.pacnew and cmdline.txt.pacnew
[23:06] <PVince81> so I had to replace the files with the new version
[23:06] <PVince81> the new version comes with an explicit "rw" argument
[23:06] <PVince81> it seems that omitting it would mount / as read-only by default
[23:06] <ShorTie> oh, ok, just wondering what the fix was
[23:06] <PVince81> :-)
[23:07] <PVince81> so, time for bed
[23:07] <PVince81> good night
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[23:09] <ShorTie> rpi2 is alot quicker
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[23:13] <Cirrus_Minor> arch arm .. https://i.imgur.com/4ktanFo.jpg?1
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[23:13] <clever> :D
[23:16] <ShorTie> nifty
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[23:20] <ali1234> clever: i can lock on to my old VCR and see the fields
[23:20] <ali1234> just need to wait for this PCB now
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[23:22] <clever> what do you need the PCB for?
[23:22] <abnormal> just the PCB without the components?
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[23:22] <ali1234> well i guess i could plug my pi into the composite in on the VCR
[23:22] <clever> whats the N64 modulator being used for? to turn composite into an actual channel?
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[23:22] <clever> ahh
[23:22] <ali1234> but i don't have a long enough cable
[23:23] <ali1234> and i don't trust the VCR to not mess with the signal either
[23:23] <clever> yeah, overlays
[23:23] <ali1234> N64 modulator is just a really simple circuit
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[23:23] <ali1234> but it has a funny connector
[23:23] <clever> i have some modulators for the snes and c64 as well
[23:23] <clever> the c64 is DIN-6 i think
[23:23] <clever> snes i think is rca?
[23:23] <ali1234> my C64 had a built in modulator
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[23:24] <ali1234> and SNES has the identical connector to N64
[23:24] <clever> yeah, it also has a 'monitor' out
[23:24] <clever> which can use the vic-20 modulator
[23:24] <clever> so you can get 2 ports if you wanted
[23:25] * Xark remembers making separate chroma-luma cables for C64 (for best picture on monitors with separate chroma/luma inputs [like from C=] - like poor man's S-Video). :)
[23:26] <clever> ali1234: but why do you need a rf modulator, does the rtl-SDR need an actual channel to tune?
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[23:26] <clever> lacks the ability to handle bare composite?
[23:26] <ali1234> clever: it can;t tune below 50 MHz
[23:26] <clever> ahh
[23:26] <clever> was wondering
[23:27] <ali1234> you can get a downconverter for it but i don't have one
[23:27] <clever> Xark: isnt that basicaly what s-video is on modern stuff?
[23:27] <ali1234> or an upconverter rather. you can get both
[23:27] <clever> ali1234: would be more of an up-converter yeah
[23:27] <Xark> clever: Pretty much. This was before the official standard existed AFAIK.
[23:27] <clever> and all the RF modulator is doing is up-convert to channel 3 or 4
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[23:27] <clever> Xark: thats what i thought
[23:27] <clever> now for a quiz, what was shift+2 ?
[23:28] <Xark> "
[23:28] <clever> yep
[23:28] <ali1234> it still is!
[23:28] <clever> and if you look at the ascii codes, its between ! and #
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[23:28] <Xark> clever: I was there (and wrote a bunch of software too). :)
[23:28] <clever> 1->! is just an offset
[23:28] <ali1234> ???
[23:29] <Xark> clever: Old keyboards were that way (like Apple ][, but changed for Apple //e).
[23:29] <clever> ali1234: ascii codes for 123 are 49 50 51
[23:29] <clever> ali1234: and !"# is 33 34 35
[23:30] <ali1234> right, i know, why is that interesting?
[23:30] <clever> so shift just did -16 to the ascii code
[23:30] <clever> but modern key layouts put @ on 2
[23:30] <ali1234> not in the UK!
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[23:30] <Xark> clever: Easier to see relationship in hex (or binary) 0x31 0x32 0x33 (numbers) vs 0x21 0x22 0x23 (!"#)
[23:30] <ali1234> shift+2 = "
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[23:30] <clever> ali1234: guess you can blame america for messing with the ascii layout
[23:30] <ali1234> naturally.
[23:31] <clever> Xark: yeah, hex makes it clear, 0x20 thru 0x29 for 0-9
[23:31] <ozzzy> clever, I blame Reagan
[23:31] <clever> oh wait no, 0x30 thru 0x39
[23:31] <Xark> I think this change is actually from IBM Selectric typewriters...
[23:31] <clever> ozzzy: and canada followed :P
[23:32] <shauno> yet 'a' to 'A' is an offset of 32bits, not 16?
[23:32] <ozzzy> Mulroney was a Ronnie-Raygun wannabe
[23:32] <clever> shauno: still within the 7 bit range, 0-127
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[23:32] <clever> shauno: A=65 a=97
[23:32] <ali1234> "man ascii"
[23:32] <clever> and speaking of canada, i helped a user here a week ago, his keyboard was set to french
[23:33] <shauno> well, I mean 0x61 to 0x41. if shift just applied -16, shift-a would be Q
[23:33] <clever> he couldnt login pi@192...
[23:33] <clever> Jan 24 10:11:20 raspberrypi sshd[32035]: Invalid user p\303\256 from 192.168.1.10
[23:33] <clever> that wasnt an i in pi
[23:33] <clever> it took nearly 10 minutes to get him to type pi again, in english
[23:33] <ali1234> locale="C" all the things
[23:33] <shauno> clever, they're turkish?
[23:34] <clever> shauno: he said he was french
[23:34] <shauno> hm. interesting. it's usually turkey they have problems with the letter 'i', because their alphabet has two variants
[23:34] <clever> i cant think of a variant of i in french either
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[23:35] <shauno> iirc they have an undotted-I that always shows up on my term as a variant of Y instead.
[23:35] <clever> let me see what echo claims it is
[23:35] * Xark finally finds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter#Layout
[23:36] <Xark> "The Selectric keyboard layout was so influential that two decades later PC Magazine wrote that non-IBM personal computer companies' keyboards "slavishly" imitated it."
[23:36] <clever> shauno: pî is what he typed
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[23:37] <shauno> hm, not the same one then. sorry, was just nosey, not being able to type 'pi' is rather unusual :)
[23:38] <clever> and the language barrier caused issues
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[23:41] <Xark> clever: Similar to grief caused by trying to type ctrl-\ while in Android ssh app. :)
[23:42] <exobuzz> does anyone have a rpi2 on hand ?
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[23:42] <exobuzz> I need the output of - cat /proc/cmdline | awk -v RS=" " -F= '/boardrev/ { print $2 }'
[23:42] <ShorTie> sure do, just got it
[23:42] <exobuzz> would be very helpful . thanks
[23:43] <ShorTie> 0xa21041
[23:43] <exobuzz> awesome. thanks
[23:43] <clever> Xark: or | on a pi
[23:43] <clever> keyboard layout is wrong on every new install
[23:43] <clever> bbl
[23:43] <shauno> wrong? personally, I think en_GB is a perfectly sensible default :)
[23:44] <Xark> clever: Hehe, I have learned to change that right away on RPi. :)
[23:44] <niston> sup all
[23:44] <ShorTie> your lucky, you asked just as it was getting done with the 1st hafe of a jessie upgrade on it
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[23:46] <exobuzz> ShorTie, please can you give me the output of this also: sed -n '/^Hardware/s/^.*: \(.*\)/\1/p' < /proc/cpuinfo
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[23:47] <ShorTie> BCM2709
[23:47] <exobuzz> thanks
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[23:48] <ShorTie> BogoMIPS, always got a kick out of that
[23:48] <Habbie> the gb layout is an annoying raspbian feature, yes ;)
[23:48] <ShorTie> how fast can we do nothing, lol.
[23:49] <Habbie> linux does infinite loops in 3 seconds
[23:49] <Habbie> on good hardware
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[23:56] <Xark> ShorTie: On my first Linux machine (386-33 8MB) IIRC, the BogoMIPS was something like 3.1 :)
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[23:56] * Xark links for Linux nostalgia -> http://www.clifton.nl/bogo-list.html
[23:57] <ShorTie> 38.40x4 on this critter
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[23:59] <ShorTie> vurses none on the other .. :/~
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