#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-02-08

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[0:12] <Guma> Anyone here has any experience with QML running in fullscreen mode on Pi with out X11?
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[0:21] <niston> Xark: 386DX/33 ?
[0:22] <Xark> niston: Yes, I believe so. With Trident VGA card and (for the time) massive 1GB external SCSI drive.
[0:22] * ozzzy has a dual P66 motherboard with cpus and ram if anyone wants it
[0:22] <niston> my first PC too :) but only 4MB for startes, another 4MB came about two years later as an upgrade ^^
[0:22] <niston> just had a 120MB disk
[0:22] <ShorTie> trs-80 here
[0:22] <niston> trs-80 not a PC :P
[0:23] <ShorTie> 4k of ram
[0:23] <exobuzz> zx spectrum 48k+
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[0:23] <niston> those were Home Computers :P
[0:23] <ShorTie> was back then, lol.
[0:23] <Xark> niston: I bought this Walnut Creek CD-ROM drive and wanted to run BSD, but it needed a 387...it was then I looked into this other directory on my CD named "linux"...
[0:23] <ozzzy> I had 4 non-pc computers.... a Vic20, CoCoII, PDP/11 and Wang MVP 2200
[0:23] <niston> Xark: hah yeah
[0:23] <ozzzy> oh... and now a Pi and a Nexus7
[0:23] <niston> cyrix made them addon FPUs
[0:23] <ozzzy> woohoo
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[0:24] <niston> ozzzy: PDP11? leet :P
[0:24] <Xark> ozzzy: PDP11. Nice.
[0:24] * Xark links a pic from his garage -> https://imgur.com/fZY71kQ
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[0:24] <niston> Xark: but it was no 386DX then
[0:24] <niston> err no wait
[0:24] <niston> im mixing something up
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[0:24] <niston> 486SX had no FPU
[0:24] <Xark> niston: Right
[0:24] <niston> 386SX was 16bit data bus
[0:25] <ozzzy> niston, yeah... it was fun... had a decwriter and a 5mb removable platter drive
[0:25] <Xark> niston: Also with no FPU. :)
[0:25] <niston> never had a 386SY
[0:25] <niston> *x
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[0:25] <niston> computers before were Atari MegaST 4, Amiga 500 and C64
[0:25] <niston> in backward order :>
[0:25] <ozzzy> the Wang had an ST251 and 4 serial terminals
[0:26] <Xark> I went straight from that developer (pre-release) Amiga 1000 to my 386-33 running Linux (skipped all those crappy 16-bit OSes on PCs).
[0:26] <niston> welp! I forgot the C128D
[0:26] <niston> owned it inbetween C64 and Amiga500
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[0:27] <Xark> ozzzy: ST251 is HDD?
[0:27] <ozzzy> Xark, yeah... 40MB
[0:27] <Xark> ozzzy: Right on. :)
[0:27] <niston> CoCo => Color Coleco?
[0:27] <ozzzy> Tandy Color Computer
[0:27] <Xark> niston: Tandy Color Computer (6809)
[0:27] <niston> ah :)
[0:27] <ozzzy> ran OS9 on it
[0:28] <niston> almost got an Acorn 3000
[0:28] <ali1234> my vcr appears to be generating a 627 line signal... how odd
[0:28] <ozzzy> damn... I'm forgetting the two macs.... a plus and an se/30
[0:28] <exobuzz> 6809 was decent. had a MUL instruction too
[0:28] <Xark> ozzzy: I remember that. Then ended up doing a lot more OS9 on Philips CD-i console years later. :)
[0:28] <ozzzy> turns out I've owned a lot of non-pc computers
[0:28] <niston> hehe. I was given a Mac IIc in I think 1999
[0:28] <Xark> exobuzz: Yes, arguably the best of the classic 8-bit chips.
[0:29] <ozzzy> yeah... I was given both mine
[0:29] <ozzzy> I'd never buy one
[0:29] <ozzzy> LOL
[0:29] <niston> took me 15 minutes to figure out how to power it up
[0:29] <ozzzy> mind you, I was given the PDP-11 and the Wang too
[0:29] <niston> didn't find any freaking power switch
[0:29] <niston> :>
[0:29] <exobuzz> I think the only machine I have with one is a vectrex
[0:29] <niston> vectrex lool ^^
[0:29] <exobuzz> oh.. and a dragon 32
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[0:29] <exobuzz> vectrex is awesome
[0:29] <Xark> exobuzz: It wasn't nearly as common as 6502 or Z80.
[0:29] <niston> yup pretty cool for the day
[0:30] <niston> in terms of 3D it was lightyears ahead
[0:30] <ozzzy> I was offered an SGI Indigo... but it was so old by then that I couldn't think of anything I'd do with it
[0:30] <exobuzz> oneof my fave versions of defender was made on it (homebrew)
[0:30] <niston> heh
[0:31] <niston> SGI used to be some kind of holy grail back in the mid-90s
[0:31] <exobuzz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSCwxflTzoo
[0:31] * Xark remembers filing all available RAM on Color Computer with 6809 SEX opcode (working on stuff for Tandy at DataSoft). :)
[0:31] <ozzzy> yeah... they had a video card that cost 100G as I recall
[0:31] <ozzzy> LOL
[0:31] <niston> had the pleasure to service both an Octane and an O2 (I think it was called)
[0:31] <niston> yup
[0:31] <niston> much of their tech continues to exist in todays 3D chips
[0:31] <ozzzy> Reality Engine?
[0:31] <niston> ie rendering pipelines
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[0:32] <ozzzy> geez... Liz Taylor had... uh... presence when she was young
[0:32] <Xark> ozzzy: Now, isn't that what was in the N64? :)
[0:32] <ozzzy> Xark, dunno
[0:32] <ali1234> yes
[0:33] <niston> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealityEngine
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[0:33] <ozzzy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealityEngine
[0:33] <niston> when the 3D chip was several boards :>
[0:33] <ozzzy> hehe
[0:33] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScicrgZwvg4
[0:33] <niston> those were HUGE money
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[0:34] <Xark> OK, not to be confused with SGI stuff in N64 such as 64-bit R4300i "Reality Engine" and Reality Co-Processor," 62.5 MHz custom chip that combines the graphics and audio systems.
[0:34] <niston> Xark: the N64 stuff was made by ATI?
[0:34] <Xark> niston: No, SGI
[0:34] <ali1234> no that was gamecube
[0:34] <niston> really?
[0:34] <ali1234> N64->SGI, gamecube->ATI
[0:35] <niston> ahhh yes
[0:35] <Xark> niston: MIPS CPU and MIPS "GPU" (funky vector MIPS)
[0:35] <ozzzy> I always wanted a NeXT or a Lisa... just for giggles
[0:35] <niston> heh
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[0:35] <niston> the NeXT was quite radical
[0:35] <niston> when did it come out? 1986?
[0:35] <Xark> The first SGI I used was the Nintendo dev system for N64. :)
[0:35] <niston> 89?
[0:35] <niston> 85 even?
[0:36] <niston> I remember reading about it in some german computer magazine
[0:36] <Xark> niston: I sure wanted one (or rather I wanted a company to buy me one). :)
[0:36] <niston> hehe
[0:37] <ozzzy> it was when Jobs was first kicked out.... don't remember the date
[0:37] <niston> first neXT was 1987 apparently
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[0:38] <niston> well they intended to. then delayed to 88 says wiki
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[0:39] <niston> ozzzy: yup. NeXT was Jobs new shop wasn't it?
[0:39] <ozzzy> yep
[0:40] <ozzzy> I remember the first Mac TV commercial...
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[0:40] <niston> the 1984 one?
[0:40] <ozzzy> yeah... the runner with the sledgehammer
[0:40] <niston> yup
[0:40] <niston> I somehow think Pink Floyd's "brick in the wall" came out around the same date?
[0:40] <NGC3982> Wait whst
[0:41] <NGC3982> I need to remove that hilight.
[0:41] <NGC3982> We shall prevail!
[0:41] <niston> for some reason my brain links the brick in teh wall clip to that Apple ad
[0:43] <niston> good ole day... when life was so simple and joyful and 200 blocks took about 15 minutes to load!
[0:45] <ozzzy> or further back to the Altair plugging in a byte at a time with toggle switches
[0:45] <niston> MITS Altair was 1978?
[0:46] <niston> no 1974 even
[0:46] <niston> that was before my time :)
[0:46] <ozzzy> I was messing about with an IBM System/360 at that time
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[0:48] <niston> first time infront of a mainframe terminal was 1997
[0:48] <niston> IBM MVS/TSO
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[0:48] <niston> dunno on what machine it ran
[0:48] <niston> but it must have been huge
[0:49] <Xark> niston: That one in my picture was given to me (sadly a rat/mouse nested in it [among the "rats nest" wiring] and it had to be gutted). My first computer was 1979 -> http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=405
[0:49] <ShorTie> upgrade to jessie done, alot quicker
[0:49] <Xark> (but I bummed access to computers for several years prior to that...)
[0:50] <niston> the mainframe... a strange world where files are addressed by disk/plater/sector (IIRC)... and IO performance of decade-old systems still dwarfs today's fastest wintel PCs
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[0:50] <niston> Xark: quite the original
[0:51] <niston> never heard of it before :)
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[0:52] <Xark> niston: Fairly obscure. Ohio Scientific was the first computer to put Microsoft BASIC in ROM (however, it was critically bugged, which nudged me into assembly when I was a kid). :)
[0:52] <niston> heh
[0:52] <phire> critically bugged how?
[0:52] <Xark> niston: There was a UK clone of OSI-C1P called CompuKit that was semi-popular too (and they patched the bug and made the video better [and PAL]).
[0:53] <Xark> phire: It would lock up if BASIC tried to do string garbage collection.
[0:53] <niston> ouch hehe
[0:53] <phire> so, no strings?
[0:54] <Xark> phire: Well, it would work for a bit until memory (4KB) filled up and it tried to delete unused ones. You could use strings if you didn't dynamically create them.
[0:54] <ozzzy> back
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[0:55] * Xark links http://www.pagetable.com/?p=46 "The string Garbage Collector was horribly broken in OSI BASIC, effectively destroying all string data – in Commodore BASIC 1, it had been binary patched for fix the problem."
[0:55] <niston> yeah hehe
[0:56] <niston> Commodore BASIC :)
[0:56] <niston> which was really Microsoft Basic
[0:56] <niston> but all BASIC back then was Microsoft, I think
[0:57] <Xark> niston: Not quite, but it was the most popular (TRS-80, Applesoft, Commodore etc.)
[0:57] <ozzzy> BASIC is far older than microsoft
[0:57] <phire> Woz wrote his own basic
[0:57] <niston> I really liked CMB Basic 7.0 (C128)
[0:57] <niston> it was quite very powerful
[0:57] <niston> CBM even .--
[0:58] <Xark> phire: Yes, integer BASIC (very fast)
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[0:58] <niston> another thing I dug about the C128 was you could hook two screens up
[0:58] <niston> one regular TV composite @ 40 chars / line
[0:58] <niston> and an RGB one at 80 chars per line
[0:59] <Xark> niston: Yeah, I remember that. I used a C-128, but only to develop C-64 software (which was actually developed on a "host" Apple ][ with parallel hookup to C=).
[0:59] <niston> it also had two video controllers (VIC and .. uh... VDC?)
[0:59] <niston> and two (the 128D model even 3) CPUs
[1:00] <niston> 6510 and Z80
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[1:00] <niston> 6502 (or was it 6510 too???) in the floppy drive
[1:00] <Xark> IIRC, like 8520 which was 6510 + Z80 or somesuch...
[1:00] <niston> MOS 8520 was CIA
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[1:01] <niston> GPIO timers and suchlike
[1:01] <Xark> Yeah, misremembering
[1:01] <niston> keyboard also connected to a CIA
[1:01] <Xark> No...wait, quoting from Wikipedia "two or three CPUs (main: 8502, Z80 for CP/M; the 128D also incorporates a 6502 in the disk drive), and two different video chips (VIC-IIe and VDC) for its various operational modes."
[1:01] <niston> so yeah
[1:01] <Xark> Bingo, 8502 (got the digits reversed). :)
[1:02] <niston> 8502 the successor to 6502
[1:02] <niston> CPU then, right
[1:02] <ozzzy> the 6502 was a good chip
[1:02] <niston> but the z80 was a discrete chip
[1:02] <Xark> niston: Gotcha. Partial credit. :)
[1:02] <niston> hrhr
[1:03] <niston> there was also a 6510 but if it wasnt in the C128 it must have been in the later day C64s
[1:03] <niston> like C64C
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[1:03] <ozzzy> what did the TRS80s have... 8080As?
[1:03] <niston> it was very interesting I think that the floppy drives contained their own CPU/RAM/ETC
[1:04] <Xark> ozzzy: I quite enjoyed it. Got to write "very large" (for the time) games in 100% assembly language for it. Such as -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_Reality_%28series%29 (shipped on 4 floppies, like 30 for the source code and artwork).
[1:04] <niston> I remember abusing them :)
[1:04] <Xark> ozzzy: Z-80
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[1:04] <Xark> ozzzy: But under-clocked IIRC
[1:05] <Xark> Yeah, 1.774 MHz (most systems were 4MHz with Z-80).
[1:05] <niston> was that due to NTSC ?
[1:06] <Xark> niston: Probably. TRS-80 was black and white, but basically NTSC
[1:06] <niston> remember the difference between US and EU versions of the C64 (NTSC/PAL)
[1:06] <Xark> "modified RCA XL-100 black-and-white television."
[1:06] <niston> the PAL one ran at 0.99something MHz, the NTSC one @ 1MHz)
[1:07] <Xark> niston: Yes, but the bigger issue was UK coders would use every cycle in longer 50Hz vblank and games would be "impossible" to port to US at 60Hz (I know, because I had to hack a few games).
[1:08] <niston> ah
[1:09] <niston> didn't know that, we use PAL here :)
[1:10] <Xark> niston: Better color, but huge borders and painful 50Hz flicker (for sensitive US people - I can spot PAL CRT a mile away).
[1:12] <niston> heh. also more scanlines :P
[1:13] <swif> Hi everyone ! I need some answers around Pi 2: if i plug a ext HDD WD Element, the default Pi 2 power supply still sufisant ? And about wireless logitech keyboard/mouse combo, no compatibility problem ? About OS: is possible to have more than 2 distrib installed on microSD (here sandisk 64GB) ?
[1:13] <Xark> niston: Yes (but not on C64). :)
[1:13] <niston> true :P but yeah the flickering was quite nasty
[1:13] <Xark> niston: Hence "huge borders"
[1:13] <niston> yup
[1:13] <niston> some day someone figured out to hack the raster IRQ to put stuff there
[1:14] <niston> colors first first, then sprites and finally text
[1:14] <Xark> Amiga was much more friendly to PAL people (with ~512 lines IIRC). Of course extreme PAL interlace flicker pain made up for it. :)
[1:14] <niston> Flickerfixer :P
[1:14] <niston> my cousing had an amiga2000 back then, I was full of envy *gg*
[1:14] <niston> cousin even
[1:15] <Xark> niston: I remember coding wearing sunglasses (so I could bear 640x400 mode). :)
[1:15] <Bilby> swwif, yes if it has it's own power supply, no, yes with a bootloader
[1:17] <swif> Bilby thx, but about HDD he is auto powered
[1:18] <niston> haha xD
[1:19] <Bilby> If the power supply for your Pi has enough current to power both the Pi AND the external drive, it will likely work.
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[1:21] <ozzzy> I have an external that draws < 500mA.... should work
[1:22] <leev> has anyone been able to get freebsd running on the RPi 2? I just get the rainbow screen. this is my first experience playing with a RPi ...
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[1:22] <swif> yes and it's this point i would know, how many mA need for that ?
[1:22] <swif> hmmm ok ozzzy
[1:23] <ozzzy> figure that an external will ask for 500mA
[1:24] <swif> ozzzy: u use the original power supply of pi 2 ? i know we can also use the micro usb port
[1:24] <ozzzy> I'll probably plug the 2A supply into the micro usb port
[1:24] <ozzzy> which isn't really a USB port... just a power port
[1:24] <swif> right
[1:25] <ozzzy> with my B+ I have a boost/buck soldered in that bypasses the usb port but keeps the diode and polyfuse enabled
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[1:26] <swif> i see
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[1:26] <xxValiumxx> the pi2 is out in the wild?
[1:27] <swif> also, i found an asaka usb hub witch deliver 2.4A on each USB charging port, do u think it's suffisant ?
[1:27] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[1:27] <xxValiumxx> They screwed up on the name
[1:28] * ki is now known as kiely
[1:28] <xxValiumxx> should have been the Raspberry Tau
[1:28] <xxValiumxx> math geeks will get the reference
[1:28] <exobuzz> I have built a retropie image with binaries optimised for the rpi2 if anyone is interested to test. I don't have a rpi2 yet so I can't apart from within an emulated environment
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[1:28] <leev> xxValiumxx: i have 2, just pulled one out of the box tonight.
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[1:29] <swif> ozzzy: this hub ---> http://www.akasa.com.tw/search.php?seed=AK-HB-11BK
[1:30] <ozzzy> should work
[1:30] <xxValiumxx> so.... $35 windows 10 computer. I can go along with this.
[1:30] <swif> i think too
[1:30] <ozzzy> does it come with a 10A supply LOL
[1:30] <swif> ^^
[1:30] <ali1234> clever: http://i.imgur.com/RXxPe2d.jpg
[1:30] <ShorTie> 3.5
[1:32] <ozzzy> all those usb3 ports supplying up to an amp and two fastcharge ports...
[1:32] <ozzzy> hehe
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[1:35] <swif> now there are a mistake, when we overclock the pi2 at maximum, how can we know how many mA he use ? Cuz some device like an external hdd can lost power after that, when he worked @ normal speed
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[1:36] <exobuzz> swif, what PSU are you using ?
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[1:37] <swif> nothing, some questions before i but a Pi 2 :)
[1:37] <ShorTie> and arduino_1.6.0 is workin, cool
[1:37] <swif> buy*
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[1:39] <ShorTie> these thing work nice to check all that out http://www.ebay.com/itm/361162327436?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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[1:40] <swif> exobuzz: oh, and if u ask about PSU of this computer, it's a seasonic X-650
[1:41] <exobuzz> I mean't for the pi. I thought from what you wrote you were having power issues
[1:41] <exobuzz> meant
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[1:45] <swif> anyway thank you all for your awswers
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[1:47] <codepython7771> any news on pi2 availability in the us?
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[1:48] <ozzzy> mine's on it's way
[1:48] <clever> ali1234: nice
[1:48] <clever> ali1234: you can just barely see the color burst
[1:48] <clever> ah, you can even see the decoded video
[1:48] <codepython7771> ozzzy: from which shop? when did you order?
[1:48] <clever> didnt think gnuradio had a gfx output
[1:48] <ozzzy> I ordered from element14 a few days ago
[1:49] <ali1234> it doesn't, i pipe the raw byte coded samples to stdout and render them with sdl
[1:49] <ozzzy> shipped yesterday
[1:49] <codepython7771> ozzzy: as far as i know they dont have any more
[1:49] <ozzzy> so... order one anyway... they're coming in as fast as they can make them
[1:50] <ali1234> so now i just need to be smarter about filling the render buffer... skip to next line immediately when input drops to zero
[1:50] <ozzzy> my wait was only 3 days from order to ship
[1:52] <clever> ali1234: main issue i can see with that setup, you cant easily corelate GPIO to composite video
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[1:52] <ali1234> clever: doesn't matter, i'm not doing it for that
[1:52] <clever> but its still impressive to get that with so few parts
[1:52] <clever> i was needing that to compare vsync to the composite signal
[1:52] <ali1234> this is to figure out the true meaning of the pixel valve registers
[1:53] <clever> i can see where vsync is within the frame
[1:53] <ali1234> yes, of course :)
[1:53] <ali1234> but that's just a bug... actually i updated pi firmware, need to retest if it still does it
[1:54] <clever> i can check my end quickly
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[1:55] <ozzzy> yep... still there
[1:59] <ali1234> clever: seems to work for me now
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[1:59] <clever> still updating firmware on this end
[2:00] <ali1234> how do you see firmware version?
[2:01] <clever> vcgencmd version
[2:01] <clever> i'm still on jan 20th
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[2:01] <ali1234> jan 30th works
[2:01] <clever> root is full again
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[2:06] <clever> still full, even after deleting swap
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[2:10] <Xark> clever: You are aware how Linux doesn't really "delete" files that are in use, right?
[2:10] <Xark> (they just become nameless inodes until file is closed)
[2:11] <clever> and even rebooted
[2:11] <clever> Xark: i did swapoff first, and made sure they where not in use
[2:11] <clever> it was still full
[2:11] <Xark> clever: OK, just checking. :)
[2:11] <clever> the reserved space in ext4 is also causing issues
[2:11] <Xark> clever: I think that may not be difficult to change (default 5% IIRC)
[2:11] <clever> yeah
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[2:12] <clever> df also has a flag to display the real free space
[2:12] <clever> i just had an idea for device-tree
[2:13] <clever> configure the status/activity LED via device-tree
[2:13] <clever> the reason for that, it lets uses add more status LED's on the gpio header, without having to change the kernel source
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[2:14] <clever> dont see the df flag now
[2:14] <Xark> I thought df was always "real" (just you would get full error when it wasn't really full).
[2:15] <clever> df remained locked at 0 bytes, until i deleted over 50mb of stuff
[2:15] <Xark> http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-change-the-reserved-percentage-for-root-directory-in-linux/
[2:15] <clever> i have changed it before, tune2fs
[2:16] <Xark> Hmm, I am probably only used to using df as root. :)
[2:16] <clever> more interested in what the real free is without changing it
[2:16] <Xark> "sudo su -" FTW. :)
[2:16] <clever> sudo -i :P
[2:16] <clever> statfs64("/", 88, {f_type="EXT2_SUPER_MAGIC", f_bsize=4096, f_blocks=451917, f_bfree=24669, f_bavail=0, f_files=116880, f_ffree=24904, f_fsid={-325108355, 990912323}, f_namelen=255, f_frsize=4096}) = 0
[2:16] <clever> and checking strace, i can see that it returns both, free and available
[2:16] <clever> but the df app is only displaying one
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[2:17] <clever> available is what it renders
[2:17] <clever> free is the actual amount free
[2:20] <codepython7771> ozzzy: newark.com is painful to order from (element 14)
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[2:29] <clever> ali1234: yep, feb 7th firmware is fine
[2:31] <clever> ali1234: NOPE!
[2:32] <clever> ali1234: 1st time i run it, i get 1 pulse per field
[2:32] <clever> 3rd time, you get the idea :P
[2:32] <clever> 2nd time i run it, i get 2 pulses per field
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[2:34] <phire> ali1234, clever what are you doing with the composite port?
[2:36] <clever> phire: ali is doing EU teletext output
[2:36] <clever> but my NA tv doesnt handle the teletext protocol
[2:37] <clever> phire: it involves mucking with registers to shift the entire video frame up ~10 pixels, so dispmanx renders into the VBI area
[2:37] <phire> yeah, lack of the teletext protocal will mess you up
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[2:38] <clever> using my scope on the cable box, i have located a different protocol
[2:38] <clever> but the encoding is visibly different, and much lower bandwidth
[2:38] <clever> explains why NA lacks all the fun features i saw in teletext
[2:38] <phire> Closed Captioning?
[2:38] <clever> yeah
[2:38] <phire> just enough for subtitles
[2:38] <clever> NA CC is just ~2 lines of text max
[2:39] <clever> EU teletext is 1000's of pages of full-screen stuff
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[2:40] <phire> the update rate is rather slow
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[2:42] <phire> tv has enough memory to store a single page
[2:42] <phire> when you want the next page, you have to wait for it to be transmitted again
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[2:43] <clever> phire: the wikipedia page mentions that modern decoders may store every page
[2:43] <clever> but modern tv's will probly lack a decoder entirely
[2:44] <clever> after playing with this, i have been able to render a stripe thats 1 scan-line (single field), and damn is it ever fat
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[2:45] <ali1234> phire: i'm trying to figure out pixel valve 2 specifically
[2:45] <clever> ali1234: did you see what i said?
[2:46] <ali1234> yeah, seems okay here though
[2:46] <clever> ali1234: there is more, after i tested it
[2:46] <clever> ali1234: if you set the function to NULL, it doesnt happen
[2:46] <clever> vc_dispmanx_vsync_callback(vars->display,NULL,NULL);
[2:46] <ali1234> ah
[2:46] <clever> i had left that out of my simple testcase
[2:46] <ali1234> that's how you are supposed to stop it
[2:46] <ali1234> so if you don't do that, it just stacks up
[2:47] <clever> so its capable of cleanup on process quit
[2:47] <clever> yeah, but the actual elements/resources vanish upon crash
[2:47] <ali1234> and presumably if you have two programs both listening for the vsync callback then they will both get two events
[2:47] <clever> but v-sync isnt included
[2:47] <clever> exactly
[2:47] <clever> so if omxplayer uses v-sync, and your doing teletext over the video
[2:47] <clever> fail :P
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[2:47] <ali1234> yeah
[2:47] <clever> thats why it always worked after a reboot
[2:48] <clever> and since you fixed your code, it hasnt happened at all
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[2:51] <ali1234> clever: actually...
[2:51] <ali1234> if you run two programs that listen for vsync, the first one stops getting vsyncs and the second one gets two
[2:51] <clever> even worse
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[2:54] <clever> let me trace this down on the linux kernel side
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[2:55] <clever> all dispmanx is ran thru an ioctl with VCHIQ_IOC_QUEUE_MESSAGE
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[2:56] <clever> ali1234: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.18.y/drivers/misc/vc04_services/interface/vchiq_arm/vchiq_arm.c#L635
[2:58] <clever> it just copies the arguments from userland to kernelland and calls vchiq_queue_message elsewhere
[2:58] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.18.y/drivers/misc/vc04_services/interface/vchiq_arm/vchiq_core.c#L3348
[3:00] <clever> not finding any dispmanx here, i think its just a dumb RPC proxy
[3:03] <Xark> clever: Not too surprising given the way the GPU works on RPi...
[3:03] <Xark> clever: I suspect the trail gets cold there (don't think the GPU side of that is open yet)?
[3:03] <clever> correct
[3:03] <clever> if i dig enough, i'll probly hit the mailbox
[3:05] <Dragonkeeper> where has flashplugin-nonfree gone ?
[3:06] <clever> not available on arm
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[3:07] <Dragonkeeper> eh that sucks, hope theres arm versions for all emulators i want later
[3:08] <clever> flash has always been 32bit x86
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[3:11] <Dragonkeeper> eh waht bout gnash or what ever its called ..? or is that depreciated now ?
[3:12] <clever> which adobe probly isnt happy with :P
[3:12] <clever> sounds like an open source attempt at handling flash
[3:12] <Dragonkeeper> it was an ok option havnt used it in a long while though
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[3:13] <Dragonkeeper> im gonna give it a go
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[3:15] <Xark> Dragonkeeper: http://blog.christosoft.de/2012/08/flash-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[3:16] <clever> 'Adobe is a closed-source developer and the only version they made for ARM CPUs is Android one which requires ARMv7 CPU with NEON extension. That makes RasPi unable to run it even if someone ports Android.
[3:17] <clever> that would actualy run on the pi2, if you ignored the android issue
[3:17] <ozzzy> android 4 runs on at least one pi
[3:17] <Xark> clever: Not maintained for Android either AFAIK. However, yeah, a "special wrapper" could perhaps get that to work...
[3:18] <niston> hmm.. desktop background disappeared from one of my screens *checks uptime*
[3:18] <Dragonkeeper> yh i dont want to run android on my pi2 and it seems gnash doesnt work with newer flash player and complains to upgrade
[3:18] <Xark> Dragonkeeper: Nice that Youtube is moving away from Flash... :)
[3:18] <ozzzy> I'd run android on the pi in a heartbeat
[3:19] <clever> ozzzy: last time i tried it, page flipping didnt work right
[3:19] <clever> i have since seen a firmware bug that might have explained that
[3:20] <clever> but even with that fixed, it was still too slow to use
[3:20] <clever> pi2 may do better
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[3:21] <Dragonkeeper> Xark well flash is on other sites too .. i use youtube-dl $1 -o x.flv ; whatever program x.flv ; rm x.flv for anything youtube wise
[3:22] <clever> Dragonkeeper: i prefer to archive youtube videos if i download them
[3:22] <clever> they have a habbit of deleting things on me
[3:22] <clever> the worst part, i dont even know what they deleted, so how do i replace it?
[3:23] <Dragonkeeper> never found anything on youtube where i wanted to actually keep the video
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[3:23] <Xark> Yeah, I am fine to let Google archive all those for me. :)
[3:23] <niston> music vids :)
[3:23] <clever> Dragonkeeper: half the problem is that i keep a playlist of things i want to watch
[3:24] <clever> there are now 3 'deleted video' on my playlist
[3:24] <clever> i havent watched it yet, and now i dont know what it even is
[3:24] <niston> well ok... I keep the audio :)
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[3:24] <Dragonkeeper> niston: just replace "whatever program" with ffmpeg and rip audio into anyformat who needs the video of them prancing around
[3:25] <Dragonkeeper> but i must admit im really bad when it comes to tv shows
[3:25] <niston> that's what I do yes :)
[3:26] <Dragonkeeper> i have like 4tb horded :P
[3:26] <niston> its too bad that 3G coverage is suboptimal around here
[3:26] <niston> there's lots of dark spots on highways etc
[3:26] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[3:26] <clever> /dev/sdb1 3.7T 3.6T 133G 97% /media/videos/4tb
[3:26] <niston> else I'd just be listening to net radio while driving
[3:27] <Dragonkeeper> clever: that all or just a portion ? lol
[3:27] <clever> Dragonkeeper: thats one drive of many, though its not all youtube
[3:27] <clever> its many things
[3:27] <clever> including some razdroid (android on pi) builds
[3:28] <clever> several copies of pi source code
[3:28] <Dragonkeeper> niston well u could possibly work out how long dark spots last and write a way to buffer that amount of time from radio.. sure it will be like a few mins behind but wont freeze up
[3:29] <Dragonkeeper> clever: ah mines all tv shows full seasons .. i grab episodes each week and update it ,, its getting bit much i have like 2 drives dedicated to stuff i prob wont watch again lmao
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[3:29] <clever> Dragonkeeper: tv shows do make up a decent chunk of it
[3:29] <clever> i have a 1tb drive of pvr-150 recordings of local cable
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[3:30] <Dragonkeeper> my collection just started because iwanted to grab all the old cartoon shows , as they are remaking most of them for some f'd up reason
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[3:31] <Dragonkeeper> then i moved to actual tv shows on the weekly
[3:31] <Dragonkeeper> sad thing is ive watched every ep i have .. well except the 3 new ones i just downloaded lol
[3:33] <Dragonkeeper> i should prob calculate how much time all these shows have taken up that i could of spent doing ..something more productive xD
[3:33] <clever> i have done that
[3:33] * clever looks
[3:35] <clever> hmmm, isnt loading, but it was something over 2 months i think
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[3:36] <Dragonkeeper> oh well its better than being told you spent like a month playing call of duty lmao
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[3:36] <clever> lol
[3:37] <Dragonkeeper> or even a week on toribash
[3:37] <Dragonkeeper> but toribash is awesome so not so bad xD
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[3:41] <Dragonkeeper> i should write a script that just calculates how much time i spend on any given device and then take a look at the results next year lol
[3:42] <clever> just run 'last'
[3:42] <clever> clever pts/18 :0.0 Sun Feb 1 09:50 - 12:40 (1+02:50)
[3:42] <clever> i had this shell open from 9:50 to 12:40, a total of 1d 2h 50min
[3:43] <clever> multiple shells kinda mess it up, but you can check for overlap between them, and ignore long stretches of inactivity, though it wont handle when your just using a single terminal
[3:45] <Dragonkeeper> mines been on n off all day but i been using pi2 alot recently but usually have my main rig on 24/7 with cli stuff open trying get the pi to take over that duty and main rig for games and bigger projects .. slowly getting there
[3:45] <clever> i was trying to get 3d going on my gaming rig for... games! (but under linux)
[3:45] <clever> half way thru that, 2 of my servers went tits up
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[3:46] <clever> wound up turning the gaming rig into a virtual machine host, to run a backup
[3:46] <Dragonkeeper> i play games all the time on linux
[3:46] <clever> then it was stuck like that for days
[3:46] <Dragonkeeper> lol why vm for backup ?
[3:47] <NedScott> a Pi camera with the IR filter removed is still fairly usable in daytime, right?
[3:47] <NedScott> at least as far as a security camera, I would assume
[3:47] <clever> Dragonkeeper: the software ran under windows, and i already had a win7 VM under linux
[3:47] <clever> Dragonkeeper: i was using pci passthru to get full 3d under windows, under linux
[3:47] <ali1234> NedScott: from the screenshots i saw, it just takes on a bit of a red tint
[3:47] <NedScott> that should be okay
[3:47] * NedScott ponders modifying his existing camera module
[3:47] <clever> so when the windows server went tits up, that VM was the only available windows system to use
[3:48] <ali1234> http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pinoir-thumbnail.jpg
[3:48] <Dragonkeeper> clever: with a vm ud only get like 256 virtual gpu for windows
[3:49] <ali1234> http://raspi.tv/2013/pinoir-whats-it-for-comparison-of-raspicam-and-pi-noir-output-in-daylight
[3:49] <clever> Dragonkeeper: the pci passthru gives the VM total control of a real pci device
[3:49] <clever> Dragonkeeper: in this case, an AMD gt260x card
[3:49] <clever> so you get almost native performance
[3:50] <Dragonkeeper> oh nice so u could game in the vm ?
[3:50] <clever> yep
[3:50] <Dragonkeeper> no lag ?
[3:50] <clever> exactly
[3:51] <clever> it worked once, then i disabled it to use the card in linux
[3:51] <clever> now it refuses to work
[3:51] <clever> windows is giving a non-descript error, 'error 12'
[3:51] <Dragonkeeper> oh windows you strike again
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[3:52] <clever> there is also another minor issue
[3:52] <clever> once linux uses the card, windows cant use it until you reboot the whole system
[3:52] <clever> the driver cant handle the card already being initialized
[3:53] <clever> so you have to entirely lock linux out of the card (modprobe blacklist isnt enough)
[3:53] <clever> then give windows the card
[3:53] <Dragonkeeper> maybe u should get another card for linux host and use passthrough on the 2nd card if u plan on this way of doing things often
[3:54] <clever> yeah
[3:54] <clever> except windows now refuses to even activate the card
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[3:55] <clever> and i still needed a server replacement
[3:55] <clever> so i uploaded the disk image to a server i'm renting online, lol
[3:55] <clever> ive sorta lost the test env, but the server is now fixed
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[3:58] <Dragonkeeper> im just setting up my pi to do everything .. literally moving all my data putting them in externals for pi to host,, set pi for internet access and running cli apps in screen so i can keep sessions alive 24/7 , setting up emu's to play all retro games them dumping my other machine ... when i have setup the dotmatrix to work as id like ill mount the pi on the wall to replace my clock lmao
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[3:59] <clever> lol
[3:59] <clever> i have a desktop downstairs still doing all of that, including irssi in screen
[3:59] <clever> and a 4tb drive on NFS
[3:59] <clever> i then ssh in from anything from the laptop to the pi
[4:01] <Dragonkeeper> i love my screen script/config .. open multiple shells in one session of screen. got my irc mutt htop MUDding ect.. all in one spot
[4:02] <clever> i had that, but i reboot so litte that i didnt bother moving it
[4:02] <clever> 23:02:18 up 68 days, 18:22, 18 users, load average: 0.03, 0.16, 0.20
[4:03] <Dragonkeeper> i started to halt all my systems i dont use. so the pi will be on 24/7 instead of like 5 systems xD
[4:03] <Dragonkeeper> then when i boot my other systems they all open ssh to pi on login
[4:03] <clever> i was running 5 'servers' plus my laptop, 24/7
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[4:04] <clever> the winxp server had a motherboard failure
[4:04] <Dragonkeeper> xD
[4:04] <clever> the old 1.6ghz P4 server had a hdd failure
[4:04] <clever> several of the NAS boxes had caps leak leading to random kernel panics
[4:04] <clever> so i'm down to 2 'servers' and the laptop
[4:05] <Dragonkeeper> the hw failures arent my problem,, it was more of the excess in electric bills lol
[4:05] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/temps_59.html
[4:05] <clever> this is one of the servers
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[4:06] <Dragonkeeper> it just monitors the temp in your house?
[4:06] <clever> thats the public part
[4:07] <clever> on every system that still works
[4:07] <clever> the private part also monitors ram usage, free disk space, and network usage
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[4:07] <clever> so i can see that c2d has cpu usage steady at ~15%
[4:07] <Dragonkeeper> well the outside one .. looks like a smail slipped under your sensor lol xD
[4:07] <Dragonkeeper> snail*
[4:08] * clever looks
[4:08] <clever> it doesnt have any shade on it
[4:08] <clever> so every day at noon, it cooks in the sun
[4:08] <clever> and this week, the highest it cooked, was -5c
[4:09] <Dragonkeeper> cooks ? its in the -'s
[4:09] <clever> relative to the air temp
[4:09] <clever> it jumps from -20 to -5
[4:10] <Dragonkeeper> i sii
[4:10] <Dragonkeeper> see*
[4:10] <clever> in the summer, it goes up to +40c in the sun
[4:10] <Dragonkeeper> so why do u monitor temps?
[4:10] <clever> the plan was to monitor the on-time for the furnace, and then calculate fuel usage
[4:10] <clever> this also controls one zone of the heating system
[4:10] <Dragonkeeper> cool
[4:11] <clever> i can turn the heat up/down from any pc, and any android device
[4:11] <clever> but dad claims i'm making it too complicated, i cant convert his bedroom zone
[4:11] <clever> then he complains that its freezing in his room any time he closes the door :P
[4:11] <Dragonkeeper> :')
[4:11] <clever> i could fix it, but he doesnt want my fix :P
[4:12] * [Saint] has just figured out how to talk to the (completely unsecured...$insert_frowny_face_here) waste water, flood control, and sewerage SCADA system on the corner of the street.
[4:12] <clever> [Saint]: lol, what fun can that do? :D
[4:12] <Dragonkeeper> bet thats a shitty convosation
[4:12] <[Saint]> I wonder how quickly they'd change their protocols if I decided to "accidntally" shut of the water to a few hundred thousand people.
[4:12] * Dragonkeeper hits drums and symbol
[4:12] <[Saint]> ...and the wate water.
[4:12] <[Saint]> and initiate a flood.
[4:13] <[Saint]> and back up the sewearage...
[4:13] <[Saint]> If it didn't directly affect me, it'd be sorely tempting to start playing.
[4:13] <clever> Dragonkeeper: the monitoring in here tells me various things
[4:13] <Dragonkeeper> do it ... id love to see new artical ... saint cyber attacks town
[4:13] <clever> Dragonkeeper: for example, the system that had a hard-drive failure
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[4:14] <clever> on wed, jan 13th, the disk usage on / began to rise at an alarming rate
[4:14] <[Saint]> I think I'll just send the council an image of what I *could* do, and see how they respond.
[4:14] <clever> that would be dmesg spamming IO errors about a data disk
[4:14] <[Saint]> This would be "terrorism".
[4:14] <clever> until syslog filled root entirely
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[4:14] <[Saint]> and, in today's brave new world, yeah...non-fun things would happen.
[4:14] <Dragonkeeper> oop yh i was reading it lol
[4:15] * Dragonkeeper say on the mouse and it decided to close the window xD
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[4:16] <clever> Dragonkeeper: with carefull use of the zoom controls, i can see it failed at about 11pm on the 14th
[4:16] <clever> cpu usage hit 100%, load avg hit 10, and disk usage rocketed out of control
[4:16] <clever> and ~12 hours later, it stopped responding
[4:16] <Dragonkeeper> o.O
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[4:17] <clever> i later discovered, i still has serial console setup, to the winxp server
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[4:17] <clever> which i had unplugged
[4:17] <clever> the unplugged serial line was floating, causing sysrq's to fire randomly
[4:17] <clever> which hosed the already failing system
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[4:18] <Dragonkeeper> lolz
[4:18] <Dragonkeeper> i love a good pebkac story
[4:18] <clever> one good thing, i had syslog setup for remote logging
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[4:19] <clever> so the logs of that whole event are on a second system, which didnt fail
[4:19] <clever> including the 48 hour SMART warning that the hdd was failing
[4:19] <clever> which i didnt notice until it was too late
[4:19] <Dragonkeeper> yeah logs are good ,, if u take the time to read them :)
[4:20] <clever> i can also see that flood of io errors on the network graph
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[4:21] <Dragonkeeper> yh i wouldnt say u over complicate it .. you seem ... over efficant of monitoring things
[4:21] <clever> and this is just one install of cacti, lol
[4:21] <clever> i have 2 more on the web, to monitor certain groups of servers
[4:21] <clever> one of them is monitoring mysql, and graphing things like inserts, updates, selects, all per second
[4:21] <Dragonkeeper> "omg i wonder what the temp my fridge keeps my food at... i must monitor that" lmao
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[4:22] <clever> the kitchen sensor on the link i gave you, its under the microwave
[4:22] <Dragonkeeper> :')
[4:22] <clever> that jumps up by 5 degrees when i cook something, and takes a while to settle
[4:22] <clever> not much airflow
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[4:22] <clever> and for the mysql graphs i mentioned, its currently reading 175 inserts per second
[4:23] <clever> 252 updates per second and 697 selects per second
[4:23] <Dragonkeeper> im more curious of your bedroom graph .. o.O
[4:23] <clever> there is a lot of heat loss, so the furnace comes on often
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[4:23] <Dragonkeeper> and the 3 room ...
[4:24] <clever> thats 3 sensors in the basement, including the bedroom
[4:24] <clever> all on the same heating zone
[4:24] <clever> so they all rise together
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[4:24] <Dragonkeeper> seems like very rapid changes
[4:24] <clever> its once every ~40mins
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[4:25] <clever> the blue line is the server room
[4:25] <clever> its higher, because of all the heat the 2 remaining computers are pumping out
[4:26] <clever> green is the hallway between the 2
[4:26] <Dragonkeeper> my friend keeps his server cool by mounting it in a "salt bin" in the garden xd
[4:26] <clever> heh
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[4:27] <clever> hit the laptop folder you see on the left
[4:27] <clever> that shows the laptop cpu temp, the room temp, and the cpu usage
[4:28] <Dragonkeeper> i see. why dont u moniotr diskuseage too lol
[4:28] <clever> i do, but its not in the public page
[4:28] <Dragonkeeper> ah
[4:29] <Dragonkeeper> afk a sec
[4:29] <clever> private end shows network usage (eth0 and wlan1), cpu temp, disk space on / and /boot, cpu, load avg and ram
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[4:30] <clever> and if i pull up the entire history, i can see /boot gained ~15mb of files about 3 weeks ago
[4:30] <clever> and / has basicaly been full, for over a year
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[4:36] <Dragonkeeper> eh back... some woman shouting over my fence wanting me to come spend time with her.... like wth its 3.36 am .. go home lol
[4:37] <clever> lol
[4:39] <Dragonkeeper> knowing her prob finish her bottle vodka and be back to bother me in an hour ... i swear i need new friends
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[4:41] <Dragonkeeper> im like the only techy one in my group of friends... one recently swapped out there pc+laptop for just an ipad
[4:41] * Dragonkeeper shudders
[4:41] <clever> lol
[4:41] <clever> i helped a friend in town clean the malware out of her laptops
[4:41] <clever> upon returning the laptop, she tried to login to facebook
[4:41] <clever> and almost got more malware...
[4:42] <Dragonkeeper> XD lmao
[4:42] <clever> i didnt even have a chance to put my shoes back on
[4:42] <clever> it looks like she did a search for facebook
[4:42] <clever> then clicked a phishing link
[4:42] <clever> which made an extremely convicing 'your chrome needs an update' page
[4:42] <Dragonkeeper> facebook is like the default website for most ppl now
[4:42] <clever> except, chrome auto-updates, it never makes you download a .exe
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[4:43] <Dragonkeeper> amount of emailsive got of fake facebook page logins i didnt even think people attempted that anymore xD
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[4:43] <clever> this one didnt harvest logins
[4:44] <clever> it had a chrome 'you need to update' window ontop of the facebook login
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[4:44] <clever> hitting OK downloads a .exe file
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[4:44] <clever> red alert!!
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[4:44] <Dragonkeeper> i used to run a very small company for pc repair .. the amount of crap people do on windows is just insane
[4:45] <clever> the other weird part, she gave me 2 laptops to repair
[4:45] <clever> she said she stepped on one of them by mistake
[4:45] <Dragonkeeper> my friends obviously tried to get free fixes from me so i installed linux ... they stopped asking me to help :P
[4:45] <clever> i cant figure out which one she stepped on, the hinge is screwed on both
[4:45] <clever> sounds like you fixed all of the problems! :P
[4:46] <Dragonkeeper> haha my friend decided to use her laptop while drunk and broke the charging port .. so i ripped it off and soldered the charging wire to the motherboard pmsl
[4:46] <clever> i had an old panasonic toughbook, CF-25
[4:46] <clever> but no power brick
[4:47] <clever> i also had a brick out of an x-ray machine that ran the image intensifier
[4:47] <clever> if i shoved a nail into the charging port and hooked up jumper wires, it ran fine
[4:47] <clever> so i soldered some speaker wire to the motherboard, ran it out the floppy bay, for easyer use
[4:47] <Dragonkeeper> lol
[4:47] <clever> a week later, in the middle of use, the whole thing just shut off
[4:47] <clever> it has never shown any sign of life since
[4:47] <clever> the charging led wont even turn on
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[4:50] <Dragonkeeper> my mother stepped on her laptop and broke the screen hindge , she also has a issue with having it on her lap and making it get to hot that it shuts its self off .which is mind boggling to me.. so i ripped screen off and mounted it under laptop with like a 5mm gap for airflow gave her a vga screen and made her sit at the desk
[4:50] <Dragonkeeper> free fix = my comedy
[4:50] <clever> lol
[4:51] <clever> i kept the vista laptop that has the screen nearly falling off
[4:51] <clever> as long as you are gentle with it, the thing is perfectly fine
[4:51] <clever> oh yeah, i found this recently, http://www.inktank-studios.com/comics/comic/board-chow/
[4:51] <Dragonkeeper> i am at the point now where my whole house has no windows machines
[4:52] <clever> the only windows machine thats on regularly now is the gaming system
[4:52] <clever> which can dual-boot, but i compiled wine in 64bit only mode
[4:52] <clever> the windows server has since been pushed into the cloud
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[4:53] <Dragonkeeper> lol @comic
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[4:54] <clever> i'm off to bed now, later
[4:54] <Dragonkeeper> o/
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[4:56] <steve_rox> just read about the interesting rpi2 issue involveing camera flashing at it
[4:56] <steve_rox> werid stuff
[4:58] <steve_rox> apparently flashing a xenon bulb at it causes it to shutdown
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[5:04] <Xark> Those ICs from the Transylvanian distributor did seem eerily inexpensive... :)
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[5:11] <[Saint]> Xark: there's only one possible explanation.
[5:11] <[Saint]> Nosferatu.
[5:13] <Xark> Or....a diabolical plot by the Foundation and the Raspberry Pi case makers guild to reduce the number of "naked" boards without proper cases. :)
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[5:14] <[Saint]> ...somehow involving Nosferatu.
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[5:14] <Xark> Of course. :)
[5:16] * Xark wonders if Adafruit will start carrying garlic...
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[5:18] <[Saint]> steve_rox: that's not /too/ weird.
[5:18] <[Saint]> (Reading backlog)
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[5:19] <[Saint]> A lot of USB webcams will have a fit if you point a laser pointer right at them.
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[5:19] <[Saint]> A strobing LED flash can also get lots of them to have a heart attack
[5:20] <Xark> [Saint]: That could be loads of fun if it works on security cameras. :)
[5:20] <[Saint]> It kinda stands to reason that these sensors aren't capable of handling such high intensity light.
[5:22] * Xark still has his crazy bright green handled Wicked laser (purchased before current limits imposed). AKA his light-Pi2-saber! :D
[5:23] <[Saint]> For others, dunno about picam, if you remove the filter and bombard them with high intensity IR they'll have a spaz too
[5:23] <Xark> [Saint]: I'll have to try that on some devboards.
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[5:23] <[Saint]> I have a blue laser that'll light a cigarette from across the room.
[5:24] <[Saint]> Its hilarious what NZ customs will let through.
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[5:24] <[Saint]> And, also, what they won't.
[5:24] <Xark> "Just an LED keychain flashlight, sir". :)
[5:25] <Xark> Like a bottle of water? :)
[5:25] <[Saint]> ...the size of a 6 D cell maglight.:)
[5:25] <[Saint]> Some keychain. lol
[5:25] <Xark> Well, maybe you have a lot of dungeon cells or something, I dunno. :)
[5:26] <[Saint]> Note to self:
[5:26] <[Saint]> He knows too much...
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[5:26] <[Saint]> I mean, ummm, nothing.
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[5:27] * Xark /ignores Xark :)
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[6:21] <pragmatism> Anyone been able to buy a Pi 2 yet?
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[6:23] <Xark> pragmatism: There have been a few people who received RPi2s here (and more than a few that have placed orders).
[6:23] <Xark> pragmatism: Backed ordered pretty much everywhere now AFAIK.
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[6:23] <pragmatism> Xark That's what I figured. The only ones I've been able to find have been heavily marked up
[6:24] <pragmatism> Even saw one for $62USD :/
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[6:27] <pragmatism> How many LEDs can I place in series using the power from the Pi before I start running in to issues?
[6:28] <Xark> pragmatism: I don't think even one on GPIO. If you just mean power, probably depends on the power supply more than Pi.
[6:28] <pragmatism> Ah, okay. So need a relay.
[6:28] <Xark> pragmatism: Yeah, or mosfet, buffer etc.
[6:29] <pragmatism> I want to be able to dim the LEDs, which can toggle the most quickly?
[6:30] <Xark> pragmatism: Well, that rules out relay. :) It depends what you are doing. SPI controlled RGB LED strips work nicely with Pi (and external 5v power).
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[6:32] <codepython7771> is there pi 2 kit somewhere that comes with power+raspbian card?
[6:33] <codepython7771> preferably wireless usb card and a hdmi->vga cable
[6:33] <Xark> codepython7771: I'd say that is a pretty safe bet. No doubt back ordered currently though.
[6:33] <codepython7771> Xark: at least i can order and wait?
[6:34] <codepython7771> Xark: seems like newark.com is pretty crappy to search parts for? unless i'm missing something
[6:34] <Xark> http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Complete-Original-Preloaded/dp/B008XVAVAW
[6:34] <Xark> Or use Google yourself. :)
[6:34] <Xark> Oops, wrong like, this one is 2 -> http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-starter-kit.html
[6:35] <Xark> Says it is in stock too...
[6:35] <codepython7771> Xark: whats noobs?
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[6:36] <Xark> codepython7771: Install SD. Raspbian is one of the choices on it.
[6:37] <codepython7771> Xark: The price is high - shipping is higher- starts at $13
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[6:37] <Xark> codepython7771: Okay. That was random link from Google. I don't even know what country you are in. :)
[6:38] <codepython7771> Xark: us
[6:38] <codepython7771> Xark: http://tinkersphere.com/raspberry-pi-boards/776-raspberry-pi-2-starter-kit-raspberry-pi-not-included.html?gclid=COWgj-jQ0cMCFQeoaQodxGMALg - interesting :) no pi 2
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[6:42] <codepython7771> Xark: I'm assuming i can write a microsd raspbian image myself onto a sd card?
[6:42] <Xark> codepython7771: Yep.
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[7:55] * Xark notes "It begins" -> http://www.businessinsider.com/raspberry-pi-2-camera-flash-glitch-turns-off-2015-2
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[8:02] <u-ou> hmmm
[8:02] <u-ou> does it actually do damage
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[8:06] <Xark> u-ou: Not that I have heard, but it does apparently gltch the 3.3v line (so not inconceivable you could get unlucky). And of course lockup always is a SD card hazard.
[8:06] <u-ou> yeah
[8:07] <u-ou> so does a non-transparent case fix the issue? :P
[8:07] <Xark> Probably real easy to fix with a piece of black tape. :)
[8:07] <Xark> On the forum it was reported that A4 paper didn't work, but flipping the board over did.
[8:08] <u-ou> ok
[8:08] <u-ou> how interesting :)
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[8:11] <spartz> hello
[8:12] <spartz> anyone know of a program to install on rapsberry to take a continous screenshot of a webpage
[8:12] <spartz> like every 5 seconds take a screenshot of the homepage for yahoo.com or wahtever
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[8:18] <Xark> spartz: Hmm, perhaps "scrot" and you can use a tiny script with that and a delay? -> http://xmodulo.com/take-screenshot-command-line-linux.html
[8:18] <godhatesfacts> have you ever booted the rpi with something else than linux?
[8:18] <godhatesfacts> something custom or anything?
[8:18] <codepython7771> spartz: you can use pyqt to do that
[8:18] <codepython7771> how many i2c lines are there in the pi 2?
[8:20] <Xark> codepython7771: Same as Pi B+...
[8:20] <codepython7771> Xark: isnt the gpio = 40 pins on pi 2?
[8:20] <Xark> codepython7771: Yes, same as on B+ model
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[8:21] <Xark> (almost identical physically)
[8:22] <Xark> codepython7771: Here is all the versions except Pi 2 B http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/The_Pi_Family-annotated_1500.jpg
[8:23] <Xark> And here is Pi 2 B https://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/022/827/medium800/raspberry_pi_Pi_II_top_ORIG_-_Copy.jpg?1422848596 (you can tell from Broadcom logo on chip, since memory is now on bottom of board)
[8:25] <codepython7771> Xark: when one connects a i2c device to the pi, does one have to add a resistor?
[8:26] <spartz> adafruit still out of stock
[8:27] <Xark> codepython7771: I believe RPi has built in pullups. Some people remove them...
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[8:28] <Xark> codepython7771: Note Pi is of course 3.3v too...
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[8:37] <codepython7771> Xark: whats a good clock to buy for the rpi?
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[8:38] <Xark> codepython7771: If you hook to Internet you may not need one. Otherwise, there are a lot of decent ones.
[8:38] <codepython7771> Xark: so all i have to do is to connect my i2c devices to scl/sda - and i can attach multiple on the same line?
[8:38] <codepython7771> Xark: wats a good one that can keep accurate time? < 1sec drift / month - preferably per year
[8:39] <Xark> codepython7771: If you follow the I2C rules, pretty much. Consult Adafruit or other tutorials for I2C examples.
[8:40] <Xark> https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-ultra-precise-real-time-clock perhaps (Adafruit sells these too IIRC)
[8:42] <codepython7771> Xark: thats 2 minutes /year!
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[8:42] <Xark> codepython7771: For better use NTP and get "atomic clock" accuracy. :)
[8:43] <codepython7771> Xark: I want a local clock thats good. Dont have internet connection to use ntp
[8:43] <codepython7771> is 2 min/year the best that we can do?
[8:45] <Xark> codepython7771: Looks like it. Here is another with same specs -> http://afterthoughtsoftware.com/products/rasclock
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[8:50] <codepython7771> Xark: when connecting multiple i2c sensors to the same scl/sda, do i have to worry about capacitance?
[8:51] <Xark> codepython7771: Not my area of expertise, but not that I am aware of (with reasonable length connections etc.)
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[9:02] <codepython7771> cool
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[9:12] <irssi2> Hello, I have a raspberry pi + B that runs very well to 1000Mhz (it has small radiators), but that does not heat. (sysbench the command can not do heat above 42 °) so I have to 1200MHz overcloker no problem! (the temperature does not increase) but 1225Mhz refuse to start. I look for information on similar overclocking but I find little. Someone plays it with his feet rapsberry here? thank you :)
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[9:13] <Habbie> this apparently does not come with an IR receiver http://thepihut.com/products/flirc-raspberry-pi-b-case
[9:13] <Habbie> so confusing
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[9:15] <irssi2> I would be interested in a return to overclocking experience raspberry pi 2, if someone has already done :)
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[9:21] <Deep6> has anyone used one of the v2's with OpenCPN? by chance?
[9:24] <irssi2> Deep6: I do not have the v2. I do not know OpenCPN. But what is the problem?
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[9:25] <godhatesfacts> irssi2: once you run something CPU intensive, it'll start to glow
[9:25] <godhatesfacts> irssi2: and smoke
[9:25] <ShorTie> rpi2 is alot quicker, really nive
[9:25] <godhatesfacts> irssi2: nvm, I'm just guessing wildly here though. But running CPU intensive stuff increases the heat I think
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[9:27] <irssi2> "sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=10000 run" and my raspberry pi is doing very well.
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[9:28] <irssi2> I spend 21s (at 700Mhz) to 12s (at 1200MHz) while staying at <42 °. (I am the first surprised to this)
[9:29] <spartz> is there any kind of hint or trail to run win 10 on pi?
[9:29] <spartz> will it allow runing older window program?
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[9:31] <ShorTie> don't think it's in the wild yet so kinda hard to know
[9:32] * ShorTie did signup for it
[9:33] <godhatesfacts> have you ever booted anything else than linux on your pis?
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[9:35] <ShorTie> me, nop, i'm a raspian guy
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[9:35] <ShorTie> s/rasbian/raspbian/
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[9:36] <Xark> spartz: From what I have heard it makes it a "target" device for Metro style apps (developed on PC). However, we shall see.
[9:37] <irssi2> you kind of temperature overclocking? it seems very strange that difference ...
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[9:38] <Habbie> godhatesfacts, i've booted riscos on a pi1
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[9:59] <irssi2> someone could launch a sysbench to compare some results? (Command: sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=1000 run | grep "total time:" )
[10:00] <irssi2> My result: 13.3s@1150Mhz
[10:01] <ShorTie> like this maybe https://gist.github.com/pizthewiz/37997fffe9e2f2ba8d2e
[10:02] <irssi2> thx
[10:02] <ShorTie> No Problem
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[11:12] <djazz> lol, rpi2 is light sensitive
[11:13] <djazz> guess i'have to get a non transparent case
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[11:14] <djazz> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042
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[11:23] <ShorTie> interesting
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[11:27] <ShorTie> but a little bluetac fixes it
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[11:28] <u-ou> i'd actually ordered a completely transparent case for mine
[11:28] <ShorTie> or a heat sink
[11:28] <ShorTie> sounds like you just need to top off u16
[11:28] <u-ou> hmm. would a heat sink cover it completely?
[11:28] <Avasz> that can be useful trick :D, reading all replies now.
[11:29] <ShorTie> piece of tap might work, but longivaty issue there
[11:29] <ShorTie> drop of hot glue might work
[11:29] <u-ou> yeah, i'd rather use a heat sink than a hack like that
[11:29] <u-ou> and if that doesn't work, an opaque case
[11:31] <u-ou> i'm doubting there are heatsinks for the 2 already
[11:32] <ShorTie> hack saw
[11:33] <ShorTie> normally don't put 1 on a voltage regulator (i think) any ways
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[11:34] <ShorTie> me thinkz someone used a more economic version of the chip, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=688192#p688192
[11:35] <ShorTie> drop of plastic is so expensive ya know
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[11:36] <u-ou> so what's the part that's being affected?
[11:36] <ShorTie> u16, it's in the power circuit
[11:37] <ShorTie> s/economic/economical
[11:37] <Encrypt> Hello o/
[11:37] <Encrypt> The Raspberry Pi Foundation is awesome \o/
[11:38] <Encrypt> I was really waiting for a more powerful Raspberry Pi
[11:38] <freezer> was the Pi2 released earlier because of the odroid?
[11:38] <Encrypt> I imagine that the Odroid-C1 being out made things change
[11:38] <Encrypt> freebeer, I do think so
[11:40] <freezer> hope this doesnt let quality suffer
[11:40] <ShorTie> what ever, it's a much nicer toy
[11:40] <u-ou> we might have to wait for the 2b+ :P
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[11:41] <Encrypt> u-ou, :D
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[11:42] <u-ou> so was this discovered today?
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[11:42] <u-ou> i wonder what they're gonna do about it
[11:43] <freezer> what was discovered?
[11:43] <Habbie> freezer, you can shutdown the pi with a xenon flash
[11:43] <Habbie> freezer, the pi2 that is
[11:44] <freezer> lol
[11:44] <freezer> nice
[11:45] <freezer> so no Pi2 workstations for all these photo studios
[11:45] <Habbie> just put a case on them :)
[11:45] <freezer> i think we will lose serious marketshare
[11:45] <irssi2> anyone ever try to raid 1 with two raspberry pi (networking) ?
[11:47] <Ben64> would be slow
[11:47] <freezer> you could do some sort of clusterFS over network
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[11:48] <Encrypt> I imagine the ethernet still shares the USB bus on the RPi 2?
[11:48] <Ben64> indeed
[11:48] <Encrypt> :/
[11:48] <advx_> good afternoon, have a great sunday
[11:48] <Ben64> thats not really a problem though
[11:49] <Encrypt> Well
[11:49] <Ben64> usb is faster than ethernet
[11:49] <advx_> Ben64: Hi
[11:49] <Encrypt> The speed is still limited to 3.5 MB/s
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[11:49] <Encrypt> It won't go higher
[11:49] <irssi2> Yes, I wish there was a raspberry pi 3 with a gigabyte ethernet and a port (or two :)) SATA Port: / Maybe later (although it seems a bit out of step with the spirit map)
[11:50] <Xark> ...and wheels and a sandwich. :)
[11:50] <Encrypt> :D
[11:50] <Ben64> it is not limited to 3.5MB
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[11:50] <Ben64> it's limited to 12.5MB
[11:50] <Ben64> because 100mbit
[11:51] <liquidmetal> I''m trying to use lan from fedora 20 -> rpi - anyone here who's done that?
[11:51] <Encrypt> Ben64, Well, on my network I can't tranfer files faster than 3.5 MB/s
[11:51] <irssi2> bandwidth B + is 95 Mbits / s in real conditions.
[11:52] <Ben64> Encrypt: not a pi problem
[11:52] <Ben64> i get 100mbit on my launch B
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[11:54] <advx_> Has n e one gotten hands on Rpi 2??
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[11:54] <Habbie> advx_, many people have
[11:55] <advx_> wow, place where I m staying we havent...
[11:55] <Ben64> i'm waiting for them to be on amazon with prime
[11:55] <Ben64> so i can get free shipping :D
[11:56] <advx_> I m waiting for my local vendor to get it...
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[11:57] <advx_> so that I can get discounts or something...
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[11:59] <advx_> I can't think of any project for A+ so not getting it... now planning for Rpi 2
[12:00] <Ben64> i got so many things in mind for pi2
[12:00] <advx_> cool..
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[12:01] <advx_> I would really love to make a 3d printer.....
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[12:02] <advx_> but where I m located there is really shortage of parts...
[12:02] <ShorTie> got rpi2 yesterday and A+ should be here tomorrow .. :)~
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[12:02] <advx_> ShorTie: Congrats best of luck with projects
[12:03] <Ben64> i made one recently
[12:03] <Ben64> its so awesome
[12:03] <advx_> Ben64: wow, do u have youtube video or something...
[12:03] <advx_> or blog
[12:03] <Ben64> nope
[12:03] <Ben64> but yeah, i want to have it controlled by a pi
[12:03] <ShorTie> was gonna use the rpi2 for a project, but now it's gonna be my play machine and go back to the B or B+ for it
[12:04] <Ben64> so people can just send the files to the pi and it'll automatically print
[12:04] <ShorTie> rpi2 is so much nicer
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[12:04] <advx_> cool
[12:05] <ShorTie> heck, it did the 1st part of switching over to jessie while i was eating a bowl of stew last night
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[12:05] <ShorTie> way faster then the B's
[12:05] <advx_> ok ppl, gotta go bye, daughter crying in cradle, she woke up...
[12:05] <advx_> catch u later...
[12:05] <ShorTie> bottle time, lol.
[12:06] <advx_> also diaper time...
[12:06] <advx_> bye
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[12:06] * ShorTie version of a pasifier was a 4oz bottle
[12:09] <freezer> odroid got gigabit ethernet
[12:09] <freezer> and more codecs supported
[12:09] <freezer> hard call
[12:09] <freezer> http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/02/raspberry-pi-2-odroid-c1-development-boards-comparison/
[12:09] <irssi2> (and sata port)
[12:10] <freezer> none of these have sata port?
[12:12] <irssi2> ODROID has a port sata
[12:12] <freezer> not the odroid-c1
[12:12] <u-ou> does odroid only run android or....?
[12:13] <Habbie> u-ou, no
[12:13] <freezer> nah it runs linux native
[12:14] <Ben64> rpi2 is better
[12:14] <freezer> no
[12:14] <freezer> the community is better i guess
[12:15] <freezer> depends what you want to do with it, theres no clear better or worse
[12:15] <u-ou> hmm. only ubuntu?
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[12:16] <irssi2> sorry, I confused with banana pi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi
[12:16] <freezer> e.g. if you need highspeed network, then probably the odroid will be your choice
[12:17] <u-ou> what about beagle board
[12:17] <freezer> i dont know that one
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[12:51] <Moon_Doggy> hi
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[12:53] <ShorTie> mornin`
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[13:06] <swif> Hi everyone, is possible to emulate a win/mac on Pi 2 ?
[13:06] <turtlehat> chromium on the pi ...
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[13:07] <Habbie> swif, with qemu you can emulate almost everything
[13:07] <Habbie> swif, given enough patience
[13:07] <swif> :)
[13:07] <swif> ok
[13:10] <ShorTie> patience
[13:10] <ShorTie> [07:07:42] <swif> :)
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[13:10] <ShorTie> oops, sorry
[13:10] <ShorTie> patience is golden
[13:12] <swif> right ;)
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[13:16] <chris_99> heh i was just reading about that, really interesting Xark
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[13:20] <ShorTie> anyone ever try running spindle on a pi ??
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[13:40] <l_r> ShorTie, what's spindle
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[13:45] <ShorTie> it makes the raspbian images
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[14:01] <daynaskully> is there a chan specific for RetroPie? Either way i'm getting a "retroarch" not found command when trying to launch the emulator after compiling from source and following the directions 100%
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[14:06] <exobuzz> #retropie
[14:06] <exobuzz> retroarch had a problem with first compile. it should be fixed in the latest script
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[14:07] <exobuzz> if not, please send me the logfile from the build process. you can also just retry the retroarch build
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[14:08] <daynaskully> i'm currently trying to re-install from binary (not waiting for the compile again this moment)
[14:08] <exobuzz> the binaries are pretty up to date anyway
[14:08] <irssi2> ( above 1225 MHz, it gets complicated overclocking: / But it is not the temperature problem (B+ ) )
[14:08] <exobuzz> from 6 days ago
[14:08] <daynaskully> i'll report back after complete
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[14:29] <u-ou> any news on the camera glitch?
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[14:32] <ShorTie> just gotta cover up u16 in some way/fasion as far as i can gather
[14:33] <Payo> can I do "make -j 4" to compile something on the pi 2 ? with raspbian
[14:34] <ShorTie> sure there is a space in there (-j4) ??
[14:34] <Payo> i always do it like that on my pc
[14:34] <Payo> i just ran it and apparently all 4 cores are working
[14:35] <Payo> :)
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[14:36] <ShorTie> Cool
[14:36] <u-ou> ShorTie: where exactly is u16?
[14:37] <u-ou> i guess it's labelled
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[14:41] <ShorTie> sortta like the Little Mermaid, but in case the bluetac http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=687959#p687959
[14:44] <ShorTie> it's a tiny surface mount thing by the 2 brown caps
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[15:02] <ali1234> ShorTie: U16 is this one? http://i.imgur.com/mAKtA7W.jpg
[15:02] <linuxthefish> hi, how come raspberry pi won't mount my external hard disk - but my other linux PC will?
[15:03] <linuxthefish> when i run "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/1tb/ -t ntfs", i get the error "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1"
[15:03] <ali1234> the kernel probably doesn't have ntfs support then
[15:03] <u-ou> are you using a powered usb hub
[15:04] <u-ou> oh, that
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[15:05] <ShorTie> ya, sortta l@@ks like it too me
[15:05] <irssi2> (if you can choose another fs, do not hesitate, because the linux on ntfs support does not offer great performance: /)
[15:08] <exobuzz> linuxthefish, apt-get install ntfs-3g
[15:08] <ShorTie> i was thinking hot glue, but someone else said maybe nail polish
[15:09] <ShorTie> just gotta shield it from light is all
[15:09] <linuxthefish> apt-get install ntfs-3g
[15:09] <ali1234> blu tack or sugru would be a nightmare to clean off if you ever need to
[15:09] <linuxthefish> :(
[15:09] <linuxthefish> NTFS signature is missing.
[15:09] <linuxthefish> :(
[15:11] <ali1234> ShorTie: the number 1 thing you could use would be thermally conductive two part epoxy, carefully covering only the top of the chip casing
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[15:12] <ali1234> actually i'm not sure if that stuff is transparent
[15:12] <irssi2> linuxthefish: sudo apt-get install ntfs-progs ? (http://askubuntu.com/questions/447791/cannot-access-internal-hdd-error-mounting-dev-sdb2-ntfs-signature-is-missing )
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[15:13] <linuxthefish> i tried that irssi2 , the package ntfs-progs does not exist in raspian
[15:14] <irssi2> as you require to use ntfs?
[15:15] <linuxthefish> yes, else i can't get the data on the disk :(
[15:15] <linuxthefish> grr the disk is dynamic and invalid on windows
[15:16] <irssi2> you can change the filesystem of your drive :)
[15:16] <ShorTie> a micro dot of that expoxy on a small piece of metal
[15:16] <irssi2> we need the disc readable on Windows?
[15:16] <ShorTie> but i think i'd try a nice drop of nail polish first
[15:17] <ali1234> ShorTie: it's meant for gluing heat sinks on so that would be fine
[15:17] <irssi2> you try to recover data from a failed drive?
[15:17] <ShorTie> ya i know
[15:17] <ali1234> my only concern is that part may get hot and melt/burn whatever you put on it
[15:17] <ShorTie> true
[15:17] <ali1234> which probably wouldn't cause any problems other than a bad smell and a difficult to clean up mess
[15:18] <ShorTie> if in no hurry, i'd sortta wait to see what the foundation comes up with
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[15:18] <ali1234> well i don't have a pi 2
[15:18] <ShorTie> oh
[15:18] <ali1234> if i did i would just not take pictures of it
[15:18] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[15:18] <mortal> how well does rpi2 overclock?
[15:19] <ShorTie> mines sitting here runnin fine so far
[15:19] <mortal> I am thinking of an oil bath
[15:19] <ShorTie> about as good as raspi-config and your power supply lets ya
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[15:20] <mortal> I will get mine on monday or tuesday
[15:20] <mortal> I hope
[15:20] <mortal> ordered on tuesday from th euk
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[15:20] <mortal> and I am at finland
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[15:21] <leio> we get in a day to Estonia from element14
[15:21] <irssi2> My raspberry B + @ 1200 MHz does not rise above 42°
[15:22] <ali1234> yeah temperature doesn't seem to be the limiting factor from what i have read
[15:22] <mortal> I get max 1100 MHz on b+
[15:22] <mortal> leio: nice
[15:22] <irssi2> but after I have kernel panic, pointers errors ....
[15:24] <ShorTie> newark said mine wasn't gonna ship till the 17th, but got it yesterday
[15:24] <ShorTie> sure upgrae to jessie alot quicker
[15:24] <irssi2> Moreover, if someone can confirm that he would have to increase sdram_freq = 600 to continue my experiments? ... :)
[15:24] <ShorTie> s/upgrae/upgraded
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[15:34] <irssi2> pi
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[15:34] <irssi2> sorry, fail screen ^^'
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[15:35] <H__> can one supply 5V on board pin 2 to power the pi via the gpio instead of the uUSB ?
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[15:37] <irssi2> yes
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[15:38] <irssi2> but H__ but be careful to have a stable 5V voltage and can provide the necessary current with a margin.
[15:38] <ShorTie> depends on model
[15:39] <H__> maybe I should hack a uUSB cable instead
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[15:39] <ShorTie> the +'s will not boot like that, will run though i believe
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[15:50] <rnadommm> hi guys I have a rasp modb and a 2 hdds with bays. I'd like to make a nas (with torrent) + media center. Is there a good guide out there?
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[15:51] <irssi2> sudo apt-get install xbmc :)
[15:52] <ShorTie> apt-get buy usb-hub
[15:53] <rnadommm> lol ok thx
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[15:54] <irssi2> seriously, it's simple. You take a hard drive with external power, you branch on the raspberry. you install xbmc (the name recently changed but it's the same) and it works :)
[15:54] <irssi2> rnadommm: *
[15:54] <ShorTie> i guess that might depend on if the hdd are self powered or not really
[15:57] <rnadommm> oh so the bay with single USB I have does not work
[15:57] <irssi2> yes, if you have no hard drive, I advise you to buy a 3 "5 sata and a box with external power supply for you there connect usb
[15:58] <ShorTie> oh, not knowing the make/model of what you got, i have no idea
[15:59] <H__> oh ! this looks what i was looking for http://www.instructables.com/id/Solder-USB-power-cable-to-Raspberry-Pi/
[15:59] <H__> means i get to keep the fuse in action
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[16:01] <ShorTie> you can pickup grpund anywhere, just need the red wire to the fuse location
[16:03] <ShorTie> see those 4 spots the red wire runs by 1 and over 1 ??
[16:03] <irssi2> rnadommm: http://www.materiel.net/dock-pour-disque-dur/advance-single-dock-bx-3003u31-108078.html example
[16:03] <ShorTie> that is where i normally get a ground from
[16:04] <ShorTie> you can get a better strain relief type connection there, imho
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[17:09] <pksato> http://www.neowin.net/news/a-camera-flash-will-make-the-raspberry-pi-2-freeze-and-reboot
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[17:11] <_Trullo> I read about this >$100000 system that shut down due to someone took a picture with a flash at the setup
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[17:13] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
[17:14] <_Trullo> over $10000 in damages
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[17:14] <IT_Sean> ... it just causses it to reboot...
[17:14] <IT_Sean> *causes
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[17:27] <Psybur> Hey ali1234, that bluetooth selfie button came in the mail today. And lo and behold it doesnt just pair easily with my pc :D
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[17:38] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I have a quick questions, I currently have a samba server, on my rpi, and the sd card is pretty much full, so, I put in a bigger flash drive to use as storage, and I am wanting to move the directory onto the new flash drive, since the directory is already created would I just do... mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda4 /books
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[17:43] <freezer> Demon_Jester: if there's something already in /books you need to do it differently
[17:44] <Demon_Jester> ok I will just make new directory mount it on the flash drive then move the contents over to the new directory, delete the old directory, and rename the new one to old directory.
[17:45] <freezer> ya that should work
[17:45] <Demon_Jester> ok cool, thanks for the help
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[17:48] <Dragonkeeper> is there a arm package for unetbootin ?
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[17:52] <ali1234> Psybur: it's probably bluetooth LE which might need a newer dongle for your computer
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[17:57] <Psybur> ali1234, my PC has a Microsoft Bluetooth LE Enumerator
[17:57] <Psybur> Whatever that means
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[18:01] <Psybur> Cant seem to figure out why my android phone can pair with it but windows cant.
[18:01] <Psybur> Doesnt seem like many people mess around with bluetooth according to google D;
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[18:12] <ali1234> windows is a nightmare for bluetooth, nothing works right
[18:15] <[Saint]> s/for bluetooth//g
[18:19] <Psybur> xD
[18:19] <Psybur> I figured out whats enabling bluetooth, its my gigabyte network card
[18:19] <Psybur> Has bluetooth on it. If I can figure out how to packet sniff on it, I could maybe hack a driver or something right
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[18:20] <kgadek> hi. any FreeBSD users here?
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[18:21] <H__> yes but not on rpi ;-)
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[18:30] <ali1234> Psybur: just go directly to pi, you can easily do low level bluetooth stuff on linux
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[18:33] <Psybur> Yeah Im trying to get stuff setup for when it comes here
[18:34] <Psybur> I wonder if I can get vbox listening to my pci bluetooth adapter
[18:34] <ali1234> probably not easily
[18:34] <ali1234> you can for USB ones though
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[18:35] <Psybur> Which Im going to have to get anyway right? The pi 2 doesnt have a bluetooth radio built in I take it
[18:35] <ali1234> right
[18:36] <ali1234> there are other ways to attach bluetooth to a pi but USB is by far the easiest, it will just work
[18:36] <Psybur> I just have to find one that doesnt draw above a certain amount of power right
[18:37] <abnormal> I have blue tooth on one of my pi's what I do is leave it plugged in and boot and the kernel finds it and loads the drivers.
[18:38] <ali1234> Psybur: you just need to get a power supply that does 2A. USB devices aren't allowed to draw more than 500mA normally
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[18:39] <Psybur> Oh I forgot to check if the pi comes with a powersupply...
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[18:40] <Psybur> Yeah the faq says I have to buy one
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[18:43] <Syliss> lol xenon flash causing issues on pi 2
[18:43] <anunnaki> how does one access videos on a rpi server over the internet so they play on the pc and not just the pi's monitor? tried openelec and forwarded port 80 in my router but learned that just allows me to remotely operate the pis on that tv not viewable on my pc
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[18:44] <anunnaki> also can i put FreeBSD on the pi , run a file server, and also use the GPIO pins to operate some sensors i have?
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[18:45] <Grape_hunter> just curious, what's the largest size microsd card the raspberry pi 2 supports
[18:45] <Grape_hunter> 32GB?
[18:45] <ShadowJK> Probably no limit
[18:45] <Grape_hunter> ok
[18:45] <ShadowJK> but in order to claim 64g support, you need to support exfat, which raspbian doesn't
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[18:46] <Grape_hunter> ok
[18:46] <Grape_hunter> 32GB then
[18:46] <Grape_hunter> NOOBS basically allows multibooting is that right?
[18:46] <Syliss> its sdxc so it should do 25gb+
[18:47] <Syliss> 256+
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[18:50] <anunnaki> Grape_hunter: have a look here.. http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=83220&p=588601#p588601
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[18:53] <Grape_hunter> thanks anunnaki
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[18:55] <anunnaki> seems like theyre implying that cards over 32GB can be used,, just not with noobs.. unless you use a different tool to format the card and not the "official SD formatter tool"
[18:55] <anunnaki> thats referring to the B+ but i presume its the same with the pi2
[18:56] <ShadowJK> yes
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[18:58] <Smashcat> Hello, just got my RPi2, and installed Raspbian - anyone else finding it crashes with a kernel panic almost every time it's rebooted or shutdown?
[18:59] <anunnaki> so the pi can boot 32gb+ SD cards as long as they formatted with another tool, wiping out the exFat and creating a Fat32?
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[18:59] <Smashcat> (using a class 10 sdcard, nothing else plugged in except ethernet, hdmi and a keyboard)
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[19:03] <anunnaki> good info regarding SD 3.0 and SD 4.0 cards here .. https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/pull/88
[19:04] <Psybur> Found an old 5v 1150 mA microusb phone charger that should be good enough for a pi 2 running an application server?
[19:04] <Syliss> exfat should support higher than 32gb
[19:05] <Grape_hunter> memory card ordered, raspberry pi 2 ordered!
[19:05] <Grape_hunter> woohoo
[19:05] <Psybur> Grape_hunter, do you have your power supply figured out
[19:05] <Psybur> I forgot to think about that when I ordered
[19:05] <Grape_hunter> ipad charger will do?
[19:05] <Grape_hunter> PC won't charge it?
[19:05] <Grape_hunter> run*
[19:06] <Syliss> ipad charger is great
[19:06] <Syliss> i use mine for my pi
[19:06] <Psybur> 5v microusb. Not sure what minimum mA is but the FAQ recommend 1.2A
[19:06] <Syliss> and it being 2.1a is even better
[19:06] <Psybur> At minimum
[19:07] <Syliss> iphone chargers are 1a so dont use that
[19:07] <Psybur> So if I have a pi 2 and max out the CPU/RAM I'm going to need more than 1.2A?
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[19:08] <Smashcat> If you overclock anything it'll use more power. But unless you have a specific need, I'm not sure why you'd overclock the Pi 2, to be honest.
[19:09] <Grape_hunter> are the xbmc variants slick ?
[19:09] <Psybur> Im not looking to overclock. I'm looking to use the pi 2 for a (java) application server to run some web services.
[19:09] <Syliss> for the funz!
[19:10] <Smashcat> You currently need to make some changes manually to run XBMC on the Pi2 I think. The default images do not work (or only use 1 core, which is pretty pointless!)
[19:10] <Psybur> Later on I plan on getting another one to listen to bluetooth devices.
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[19:12] <anunnaki> is it possible to select whis OS to boot in a dual boot setup over the internet/ssh?
[19:12] <Psybur> I think Im going to have to go to the store to get a 2A wall charger
[19:12] <ozzzy> I ordered 2 from China Inc.
[19:13] <Psybur> Haha China Inc is that a joke for generic asian company thats going to send you your stuff in a generic box with a bunch of hilarious typos
[19:13] <ozzzy> yep
[19:13] <ozzzy> free shipping
[19:14] <Psybur> I got a bluetoo device that is used to help you take selfie piftures from china inc today
[19:15] <Smashcat> For power supplies, it depends on what you're connecting to the Pi. i.e. adding a keyboard, mouse and hdmi will use more power than a pi that's not using them.
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[19:15] <anunnaki> China in a box?? they love their "e-packets" send everything to me in them
[19:15] <Psybur> I read someone's powerbenchmarks for a hammered pi2 and they said its about 50mA per core
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[19:15] <Psybur> So if Im running an application server running java web services Im prob going to need the full 2A
[19:16] <Smashcat> No, it doesn't work like that. there's 1000ma in 1A
[19:16] <Smashcat> The other stuff on the board uses most of the power, especially the ethernet
[19:17] <Psybur> Wow Im an idiot, I overlooked a 0
[19:17] <Smashcat> :)
[19:17] <Psybur> I think Ill be fine for now then
[19:17] <Smashcat> Most of the time a java server will be doing next to nothing anyway.
[19:18] <anunnaki> Psybur: I too was going to order another pi to mess with bluetooth stuff.. I was going to set up one pi to automatically send a log file to the other pi over bluetooth. hopefully i can set it up to they pair without needing a key
[19:19] <anunnaki> s/to/so
[19:19] <Psybur> anunnaki, I was hoping to be able to buy cheap bluetooth remotes that I can listen to and have a user state for each that the button presses modify in an app
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[19:19] <Psybur> But so far the only thing in my budget for bluetooth devices for that only seem to work with android/ios
[19:19] <Psybur> And I cant figure out how to hack it (at least in windows)
[19:20] <Psybur> Stupid $2 selfie button xD
[19:20] <Psybur> I dont want to buy 8 $45 presentation remotes >.>
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[19:21] <Psybur> Cant find any bench marks on ethernet power usage
[19:22] <Psybur> It says its connected to the USB module so should I expect about 50mA for that?
[19:22] <Smashcat> You could use a cheap tv remote, and IR receiver on the pi.
[19:23] <Psybur> Worried about clashing though
[19:23] <Psybur> And pairing
[19:23] <Smashcat> No need to pair with IR
[19:23] <Psybur> I mean pairing a remote to a user state
[19:23] <Psybur> How do I know who pressed the button
[19:24] <clever> give everybody a different model remote, from a different brand of tv
[19:24] <Smashcat> Think some remotes can be set up for different TVs. Some are also customisable. Each could have different config
[19:24] <anunnaki> Smashcat: already thought about that.. and bought two nrf24ol modules to swap data.
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[19:25] <Smashcat> Depending if you don't mind building something, it's cheap to just use a little ATTiny85 microcontroller, and one of the really cheap bluetooth modules. Or if you're on the same WiFi network then a phone app that communicates with the Pi would be enough
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[19:27] <Smashcat> Wouldn't even need a phone "app" really. Just a webserver on the pi - point the phones to it, and have it work with Javascript. No need for any hardware
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[19:28] <Psybur> Phone app would be easy but I dont want to have to worry about people not wanting to use it because their phone died/low power/forgot/dont want to unlock/keep unlocked
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[19:29] <Psybur> I would have a central monitor to display everyone's current state
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[19:29] <Psybur> So they know that they set their state correctly
[19:29] <Smashcat> Not sure what you mean by "state"? Is this a quiz?
[19:31] <Psybur> Well Im going to write an app that keeps track of tasks currently assigned. If people finish a certain task they would show that they are done in that task. If they need help it will show, and I'd go to each person in a FIFO order to verify completion/help
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[19:31] <Psybur> And I could have multiple tasks going on
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[19:32] <Psybur> Ive noticed that just asking people "How's everything going?" doesnt really give me a good feel for whats going on
[19:32] <Psybur> Ill get some mumbles and head nods
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[19:33] <Psybur> Trying to get more feedback from people without putting them on the spot basically
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[19:34] <Smashcat> I don't think you want to use bluetooth then. It's not good at connecting lots of devices to a single point, especially if there's a distance involved. Are the people involved sitting at fixed desks?
[19:35] <Psybur> Seats arent assigned but they typically choose a spot and stick to it
[19:35] <Psybur> Classrooms arent large
[19:35] <Smashcat> I mean are the desks fixed?
[19:35] <Psybur> Yes
[19:35] <Psybur> Well, by fixed do you mean bolted to the ground? We dont typically move them
[19:36] <Smashcat> Well an option might be to connect multiple buttons to a single device that transmits presses using WiFi. So maybe 4 buttons (or more) connected to 1 device. That device could have a WiFi dongle to transmit to the Pi.
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[19:39] <Psybur> Maybe a breadboard that sends out different IR signals depending on what button is pressed?
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[19:40] <Psybur> And I have several different IR receivers for certain ranges?
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[19:40] <Psybur> If thats even a thing
[19:40] <Smashcat> You could but it'd also have to make sure it queued any button presses, as a receiver cannot read properly if it gets multiple signals at once
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[19:42] <Psybur> So for these intermediary devices are you thinking pis with buttons hooked up to the GPIO pins?
[19:42] <Smashcat> I'd say if you have WiFi available (or ethernet) then make use of that, as it'll make things much easier :) You can get the ethernet arduinos really cheap, and just one of them could easily handle hundreds of buttons if you added a multiplexer chip. I used one a while back for a competition, reading from 10 RFID readers with one arduino, trasmitting over ethernet.
[19:43] <Smashcat> You don't need Pis, if you're just reading buttons and transmitting to a server. Microcontrollers like the Arduino etc are much cheaper, don't have a boot time and are ideal for this.
[19:43] <Psybur> Sounds interesting. Certainly more scalable than bluetooth devices
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[19:44] <Smashcat> You could give the people their own RFID card, and they just scan it, then they can sit where they like
[19:44] <Smashcat> More expensive though, obviously...
[19:44] <Psybur> Where did you learn how to do all this?
[19:44] <niston> psybur: sounds like you want a bunch of uCs and nrf modules and maybe use a Pi as a server to the system
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[19:45] <Smashcat> I design event installations for a living, do electronics prototyping, programming etc. We work with major car companies on their event stands. I use the Pi, and a lot of mocrocontrollers and FPGAs every day :)
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[19:46] <Psybur> Sounds like a dream. How'd you get into that?
[19:47] <Smashcat> I used the Pi for a Twitter activated Spotify jukebox for Volvo a few years ago. You might be able to google it. Worked really well
[19:47] <ant_thomas> On the A+/B+/2B, when the power led goes off due to low power, is it able to log this or is there a readable value somewhere?
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[19:48] <clever> ant_thomas: the GPU firmware also monitors that, and will display a warning on the video output
[19:48] <clever> ant_thomas: and i believe you can monitor the GPIO pin from arm as well
[19:51] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=82373
[19:51] <clever> there it is, you can monitor gpio35 from arm side, and attempt to log it
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[19:51] <clever> but writing to the SD card when the power is low may be the worst choice :P
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[19:52] <_Trullo> flashphotographing the pi while writing when the power is low is even worse
[19:52] <clever> :D
[19:52] <clever> i was sure it was EMP, i have re-booted a few game consoles decades ago with that
[19:52] <clever> but its sounding more and more light based
[19:54] <Smashcat> Could maybe use a charger circuit with the pi, and log when it switched over the battery power :)
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[20:00] <Psybur> Smashcat, with RFID and arduino how would I combine a message (button press) with a tag id? RFID cards are what are in cardkeys right. The simplest thing I can visualize is swiping the key over a reader that represents a button
[20:00] <Psybur> Not sure how to use an RFID to send a message
[20:01] <Smashcat> Psybur: All RFID tags have a unique ID. You'd just keep a list of who had each tag. Usually you'd swipe the tag, enter the person's name, in an admin screen. Then for the rest of the session, the system knows which tag belongs to which person.
[20:01] <Psybur> Oh do you mean one arduino per person?
[20:01] <Psybur> And the arduino keeps track of the tagid itself?
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[20:02] <Smashcat> No, 1 arduino can run several readers. I've run 4 readers from an arduino before with no problems.
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[20:04] <Psybur> This reader part is what Im confused about. When you mean reader, thats the thing you swipe an RFID card over right, and all it does is see the id of the card. So if each student has multiple buttons, how does one combine a tagid and buttonid? Not using a reader I imagine?
[20:04] <Smashcat> But if you know who's sitting at each desk, thenjust buttons connected to a device would be cheaper. The device could send a number based on the button pressed.
[20:04] <Psybur> That would probably be easier
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[20:05] <Smashcat> If you have multiple buttons, plus reader. They'd only scan the reader once. Then the system would know who was sitting there before they pressed the buttons. It would make it much easier to manage for you probably, but more expensive.
[20:06] <patchie> hi, i just bought a screen for my raspberry pi from dx.com. http://www.dx.com/p/chuangzhuo-rpi-tft-lcd-adapter-plate-2-4-tft-lcd-screen-touch-sensor-module-for-raspberry-pi-285311#.VNeyNkfF_To
[20:06] <Psybur> So the arduino could associate a certain group of buttons attached to it an ID and then send a message combinging the button id and tag id?
[20:07] <patchie> this is all documentation and code that follows: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wkzzlsfanf5tq5c/AAANPs2UQXAQLCPtHrU77_s1a?dl=0
[20:07] <Smashcat> Psybur: Yeah exactly :)
[20:07] <patchie> In the last page of the user manual it says this: "Enter RPLCD directory through Raspbery Pi Terminal, and type make Demand, then this file would emrge the lcdemo excutable file. Type ./lcdemo, you would run this excutable file."
[20:07] <patchie> Does anyone know where the RPLCD directory is? or what this is?
[20:07] <Psybur> Sounds interesting. I could probably hard code an ID and maybe later incorporate RFID right
[20:08] <Smashcat> Psybur: The Pi would know who it was, as they would have scanned their card at the admin before they found a desk. So it wouldn't matter where they sat. They could even move to another desk, and swipe in again to work from there.
[20:08] <Smashcat> Psybur: Yeah, nothing stopping you hardcoding at the start.
[20:09] <Psybur> So now that I have the id + buttonid pairing thing visualized, I just have to figure out how to get the arduino to send a message over wifi to the main PI controller
[20:09] <Psybur> I wonder what Im going to do with this stupid bluetooth selfie button now haha
[20:10] <Smashcat> Psybur: RFID tags are usually 8 hex characters from 00000000 to FFFFFFFF . Sending the message is easy. Use an Arduino with Ethernet on it. That can just make GET requests to a webserver on the Pi. i.e. http://192.168.0.x/?id=xxxxxxxx&button=1
[20:10] <Smashcat> haha
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[20:10] <ali1234> Psybur: did you see those £1 radio boards i linked the other day?
[20:11] <Smashcat> Anyway teatime - later :)
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[20:12] <Psybur> Im not recalling them no
[20:12] <ali1234> http://playground.arduino.cc/InterfacingWithHardware/Nrf24L01
[20:12] <ali1234> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vktech-NRF24L01-Antenna-Wireless-Transceiver/dp/B00J7I0NU8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423422682&sr=8-1&keywords=nrf24
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[20:13] <ali1234> use some dirt cheap arduino clone of course
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[20:13] <Psybur> So I wouldnt need wifi right I could avoid clashing with these boards?
[20:14] <ali1234> it says it supports multipoint communication
[20:15] <ali1234> it's probably not going to do frequency hopping or anything fancy like that but given you only need to send a button code there are many ways to avoid collisions
[20:18] <Psybur> So with these transceivers I would have uC + transceiver with buttons attached to it (breadboard? Very new to this kind of thing), and the uC would figure out which button was pressed from whom and send a message using the transceiver?
[20:19] <Psybur> And I imagine the pi would have a transceiver as well?
[20:19] <ali1234> yeah
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[20:21] <Psybur> So the arduino will know which user is sending the button press by seeing which input pin the message was sent on? Now differentiating different types of buttons can be done using some kind of range checking?
[20:21] <Psybur> mA?
[20:22] <Psybur> No, volts not mA
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[20:22] <Saphyel> nefarious <3
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[20:22] <nefarious> do I know you? :3
[20:25] <Psybur> Cool, I think reading the voltage from a pin is actually a thing, so I could make each button send out a different voltage I think
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[20:25] <clever> Psybur: the pi is digital only, it cant do analog
[20:25] <Saphyel> no, but I like nefarious too
[20:26] <clever> but the arduino does have several analog inputs
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[20:26] <clever> nefarious: that happens to me on occasion too
[20:27] <ali1234> "connecting many buttons to one wire with different resistors to create different voltages, and then reading with an ADC" is patented by sony for their one-wire headphone remote control
[20:27] <Rorro> If you had both a raspberry pi and a respberry pie. What would you do with them?
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[20:31] <niston> ali1234: heh
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[20:35] <shiftplusone> ali1234, clever, how did the teletext stuff go?
[20:35] <ali1234> shiftplusone: i'd be done if i hadn't found numerous bugs in the dispmanx firmware and userland
[20:35] <shiftplusone> fun
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[20:36] <clever> shiftplusone: if you dont unregister the v-sync callback, the next app to run gets 2 callbacks per frame
[20:36] <ali1234> right now i'm soldering up an adapter for raspberry pi -> n64 rf modulator
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[20:36] <clever> shiftplusone: and if you run 2 v-sync apps at once, one app gets 0 callbacks, the other gets 2 callbacks per frame
[20:37] <clever> so after running it 9 times, i get 9 calls per field
[20:37] <clever> and in my test app, i never unregistered the callback
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[20:37] <shiftplusone> that doesn't sound like a bug in the firmware though O_o
[20:37] <ali1234> more like a bug in the design
[20:38] <clever> i tracked it thru the kernel source, the kernel is just an RPC proxy, clearly looks like its on the firmware side
[20:38] <shiftplusone> Sounds like it's just being used in a way that it wasn't designed for.
[20:38] <ali1234> if any app calls the unregister function ALL vsync callbacks stop for all apps on the system
[20:38] <ali1234> the vsync callback is designed in such a way that only one application can ever use it, which is really stupid
[20:38] <clever> due to how ali1234's teletext works, it will be required to use v-sync in 2 apps at once
[20:39] <shiftplusone> hm. Considered opening an issue?
[20:39] <clever> already open
[20:39] <ali1234> i already have done
[20:39] <clever> the teletext needs v-sync to insert its data, and then thingslike omxplayer rendering under the subs also may want v-sync
[20:39] <shiftplusone> ah, awesome.
[20:39] <clever> you near the docs, or will that be on monday?
[20:39] <shiftplusone> monday
[20:40] <ali1234> there's also no reason for it to be this way - it could be fixed in the userland
[20:40] <ali1234> the interface should register for the hardware callback, and then dispatch it to each app - rather than proxying a request from each app
[20:40] <clever> from the coments i read, v-sync is being routed into SMI
[20:40] <clever> and i think the gpu then catches the smi irq, and forwards it on
[20:40] <ali1234> yes
[20:40] <clever> so in theory, i could make an arm side driver to catch the irq and do it right
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[20:41] <ali1234> none of that matter though
[20:41] <clever> but it would be an ugly hack
[20:41] <ali1234> the point is that it works fine if only one app is running
[20:41] <clever> ontop of a hack, lol
[20:41] <clever> the problem appears to be that it will relay the irq to the LAST app to ask for it
[20:41] <ali1234> sure
[20:42] <clever> and it will produce multiple copies, if you didnt un-register past requests for use
[20:42] <shiftplusone> There's talk of getting rid of dispmanx, so hopefully whatever replaces it will be done a bit better. =/ You can do fancy things with it, but it's not nice to use.
[20:42] <ali1234> yes, this all just means the userland library is buggy
[20:42] <clever> ali1234: i think its the gpu side firmware, that sends packets to userland
[20:43] <ali1234> nope. that works fine
[20:43] <ali1234> the GPU should send ONE event to userland
[20:43] <clever> its sending those packets to the wrong userland process
[20:43] <ali1234> no matter how many apps register a callback
[20:43] <ali1234> the userland should then dispatch that one packet to each requester
[20:44] <anunnaki> im setting up a NFS on my pi following this. https://mike632t.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/installing-and-configuring-nfs/ however i need the server name and i didnt see any steps in that guide for declaring a server name.. where do i find out the server name?
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[20:44] <ali1234> the GPU never talks directly to apps remember - it's the notify function that does that
[20:45] <clever> ali1234: the notify function runs under the same context as the app
[20:45] <clever> the kernel has no way to tell the difference
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[20:46] <ali1234> well in that case everything is screwed and it can only be fixed in the firmware
[20:46] <Jusii> anunnaki: it's the ip or DNS name of the server
[20:46] <clever> i think when you run bcm_host_init, it creates a new connection to the firmware
[20:47] <n0vacane> anunnaki: cat /etc/hostname
[20:47] <clever> and all packets are routed to that connection, via a unique id
[20:47] <clever> and whichever connection asked for v-sync last, gets all the v-syncs
[20:47] <clever> if you quit without a clean disconnect, the v-syncs are probly going to an invalid connection
[20:48] <clever> until a new one takes over
[20:48] <n0vacane> anunnaki: ifconfig will give you the ip
[20:48] <clever> shiftplusone: does that sound right?, or do you not know that much about the firmware rpc?
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[20:48] <shiftplusone> luckily, I don't have to deal with it.
[20:49] <clever> heh
[20:49] <clever> what area do you typicaly work in?
[20:49] <Psybur> clever: Yeah I was talking about the arduino for analog input
[20:49] <anunnaki> n0vacane: ah ok was thinking that. wish it just said the ip instead of server name. heh.. im new to this
[20:49] <Psybur> I was thinking each pin is a user and different voltages are different buttons
[20:50] <Psybur> If voltage is a reliable thing to read for the ranges I could get that is
[20:50] <n0vacane> anunnaki: either will work, but the hostname should be more constant
[20:50] <shiftplusone> right now, firmware for the astro pi board and getting into foundation-side raspbian maintenance.
[20:50] <clever> Psybur: usualy, you would use resistors that cant add up to eachother, so if the user hits 2 buttons, it still gives a unique resistance
[20:51] <Psybur> Noted
[20:51] <clever> Psybur: and then you would combine the button end with a single resistor to form a voltage divider
[20:51] <clever> so each combination of buttons gives a unique percentage of the main voltage
[20:51] <clever> the simplest way, would be for example to use 1, 2, 4, and 8k, plus maybe a 4k on the fixed side
[20:52] <clever> so with single buttons, you would get a 1k/4k divider, 2k/4k 4k/4k, or 8k/4k divider
[20:53] <clever> if the first 2 buttons where pressed together, you would get i think a ((1k+2k)/2) vs 4k divider
[20:53] <clever> if the buttons wind up in putting resistors in parallel
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[20:53] <clever> but you could also string every resistor in series (1k->2k->4k->8k->4k), and then buttons short out a resistor to bypass it
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[20:54] <ali1234> or you could just use an i2c gipo extender
[20:54] <clever> or that, lol
[20:54] <clever> the pi also has i2c, so you could skip the ardruino entirely there
[20:54] <clever> and depending on the i2c gpio extender addresses, you can get many expanders on a pi
[20:55] <ali1234> it's supposed to be wireless though
[20:55] <clever> ah
[20:55] <clever> back to an ardruino with a wifi sheild
[20:56] <clever> or possibly an attiny and an xbee if you want it more compact
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[20:56] <ali1234> no, use an arduino clone with a NRF2401
[20:56] <clever> that also works
[20:56] <ali1234> it also costs about 10% of wifi or xbee or any of those
[20:56] <clever> and that reminds me, i have a cheap N64 knock-off controller, with a NRF2401 radio in it
[20:56] <clever> mad catz brand i think
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[20:56] <ali1234> the chip is designed for this
[20:57] <clever> if you reverse engineer the protocol, you could probly pair 40 controllers to 1 radio
[20:57] <clever> and then give everybody in the class an N64 controller
[20:58] <Psybur> So I use the voltage divider to protect the uC from the voltages the buttons would be producing?
[20:58] <ali1234> no
[20:58] <clever> Psybur: no, you use the voltage divider to create many unique voltage levels
[20:58] <clever> one level for each button
[20:59] <ali1234> you are making a resistor ladder DAC which is operated by buttons, essentially
[20:59] <clever> http://arduinothesimplepages.blogspot.ca/2011/01/button-with-analog-input.html
[20:59] <ali1234> then converting it back to digital with the ADC in the arduino
[20:59] <clever> the example i just linked uses parallel, so it wont handle 2 buttons being pushed at once
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[21:00] <clever> for the example i linked, pressing 1 will give a full 5v on the ADC pin
[21:00] <clever> pressing 2 will make a 5k vs 20k divider, which i think will give you 80% of 5v (4v) on the ADC pin
[21:01] <clever> 3 is a 20k vs 20k divider, so 50% (2.5v) on the ADC pin
[21:01] <clever> and pressing 4 gives you a 50k vs 20k divider, 71%, 3.5 volts
[21:02] <Psybur> Oh each button gets a divider?
[21:02] <clever> each button gets a resistor, and depending on which one you press, you create a different divider
[21:02] <clever> in this example i pulled out of google, #1 has no resistor, so it gives the full 5v
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[21:04] <niston> you could use binary multiples for resistor values, then you could detect individual button presses, even if several buttons are pressed at once, I think?
[21:04] <clever> niston: only if #1 also has a resistor
[21:04] <Psybur> Oh so a voltage divider isnt an actual device its a concept?
[21:05] <clever> Psybur: its just what happens when you put 2 resistors together like that
[21:05] <clever> helps to know ohms law
[21:05] <clever> for the 4th button, you have a 50k and a 20k resistor in series, the resistance of 2 resistors in series is just the sum, so 70k ohms
[21:06] <ali1234> niston: you want an R-2R ladder
[21:06] <clever> and you have 5v across it, so amps = volts / resistance
[21:06] <clever> that path will have 0.00007142857142857143 amps going thru it
[21:06] <clever> and then to find the voltage across each resistor, volts = amps * resistance
[21:06] <Psybur> So how is this setup: Each user gets an analog pin, and each pin is set up to a voltage divider
[21:07] <clever> the 20k has 1.4285714285714286 volts across it
[21:07] <clever> and the 50k has 5 / 70000) * 50000
[21:07] <clever> and the 50k has 3.5714285714285716 volts across it
[21:07] <clever> so the voltage you measure between gnd and the adc pin is 1.4 volts
[21:08] <niston> psybur: ther's only one analog pin
[21:08] <clever> Psybur: if you use the example i linked, you can give each user 4 buttons, and one ADC pin per user
[21:08] <niston> that's the benefit of all this resistor jumble mumble
[21:08] <clever> just copy the whole thing for each user
[21:08] <clever> max of 1 button pressed for each user, for this circiut
[21:09] <anunnaki> hmm.. says to 'sudo mount -t nfs /mnt' to mount the exported i get some messages like mount: wrong fs type, bad option, superblock on missing codepage or helper program or other error
[21:09] <clever> anunnaki: when you run 'dmesg|tail' what does it say?
[21:09] <clever> Psybur: the second option is http://rayshobby.net/multiple-button-inputs-using-arduino-analog-pin/
[21:09] <Encrypt> anunnaki, "ntfs" instead of "nfs", no?
[21:09] <clever> this uses a different layout, and can handle many buttons being pressed at once
[21:10] <clever> if you use different resistor values
[21:10] <anunnaki> i followed this guide word for word https://mike632t.wordpress.com/2013/09/07/installing-and-configuring-nfs/
[21:10] <anunnaki> Encrypt: setting up NFS.
[21:10] <anunnaki> clever: let me check
[21:10] <Encrypt> Ok
[21:10] <Encrypt> nfs is actually listed in the manage of mount
[21:10] <Encrypt> manpage*
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[21:11] <anunnaki> clever: Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de).
[21:11] <anunnaki> nfsd: last server has exited, flushing export cache
[21:12] <clever> anunnaki: thats on the server, not the client
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[21:13] <anunnaki> clever: theres no messages on the client dmesg pertaining to nfs
[21:13] <Psybur> What do you guys think of the diavolino for this
[21:14] <Psybur> An arduino compatible at 1/3 the cost
[21:14] <clever> anunnaki: what is the client system?
[21:14] <Psybur> Oh this might not be what Im looking for
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[21:14] <anunnaki> clever: linux
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[21:15] <clever> anunnaki: which distro?
[21:15] <anunnaki> oh gentoo
[21:15] <clever> anunnaki: ah, did you install the nfs utils yet?
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[21:16] <anunnaki> clever: ah... nope just searched for it and building it now
[21:16] <clever> you need to emerge nfs-utils and start nfs in init.d before you can mount things
[21:17] <anunnaki> i have it started with init.d.. that and nfs-common.. just wasnta ware of the nfs-utils.. shouldvbe searched gentoo's wiki for nfs i guess. that was my mistake
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[21:17] <clever> you need the mount.nfs program to mount nfs properly
[21:17] <anunnaki> im new to servers.. will NFS share to Macs too or will i need Samba for that?
[21:17] <clever> mount will auto-run it, if it can be found
[21:18] <clever> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/apple-mac-osx-nfs-mount-command-tutorial/
[21:18] <clever> looks like it works identicaly to linux
[21:18] <clever> and the tools are likely pre-installed
[21:18] <anunnaki> q
[21:21] <Saphyel> raspberry pi 2 is shy to flash
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[21:22] <clever> Saphyel: stop flashing it you perv! lol
[21:23] <anunnaki> hm my brother wont like using command line on his mac and ipad... isnt there a way an ipad can connect to the server to watch the videos without command line such as simply going to a webpage url of the server?
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[21:23] <clever> anunnaki: i dont think ipad can ever mount nfs
[21:23] <clever> or samba
[21:24] <Saphyel> clever nop
[21:24] <clever> anunnaki: and if you dont want CLI, http://support.apple.com/kb/TA22243
[21:24] <clever> how to do the same using the finder
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[21:28] <anunnaki> clever: cool thanks.. isnt there a way i can have my server on a web page though. like punch in the servers ip over the internet like log in, then see a file tree?
[21:28] <anunnaki> is that what samba does?
[21:28] <clever> that would be a simple http server
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[21:28] <clever> i use that all the time for sharing to my android devices
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[21:29] <clever> anunnaki: lighttpd would probly be the best for running on the pi
[21:29] <clever> just set the root directory to the folder you want to share
[21:29] <anunnaki> im setting this up on the RaspBMC system if that makes a difference and not raspbian
[21:29] <clever> but i dont know how the ipad will handle that, mobile devices are pretty limited in file formats
[21:30] <ali1234> clever: what was the name of that test card app?
[21:30] <clever> ali1234: raspidmx or something
[21:31] <ali1234> that's it cheers
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[21:31] <ali1234> got the modulator working btw
[21:31] <ali1234> need a test card now
[21:31] <clever> pngview is the simplest one then
[21:31] <clever> but it has no scale options
[21:31] <clever> just give it a png of the correct size
[21:31] <clever> or if you want solid picture, give it a tiny png and use -b to set the background color
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[21:38] <anunnaki> using mount.nfs -rw /mnt/piserver returns "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting"
[21:38] <anunnaki> i had to start rpc.statd first
[21:39] <anunnaki> i used sudo.. so its not a permission deny
[21:39] <clever> server denied, so sudo wont matter
[21:39] <clever> what is in the exports file on the server?
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[21:41] <anunnaki> exportfs -> /media/piserver
[21:41] <anunnaki> and media/piserver is my external harddrive i have mounted
[21:42] <clever> anunnaki: that gives access to everything in 192.168.0.x
[21:42] <clever> but your on 192.168.1.x
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[21:43] <anunnaki> that uides says to use the subnet so all clients on that network can connect
[21:43] <anunnaki> to allow all incoming connections "To do this you need to add the following entries to hosts.allow. (Assuming your subnet is"
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[21:44] <ali1234> clever: and where do i get pngview?
[21:44] <clever> ali1234: its a folder within raspidmx
[21:44] <ali1234> ah
[21:44] <anunnaki> not sure what exac tly a subnet is.. i thought it was the modems ip.. and then the routers ip is right giving all the comptuers here in the network 192.168.1.x?
[21:44] <clever> anunnaki: you used the wrong subnet
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[21:45] <clever> anunnaki: you want
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[21:48] <kgadek> hi. anyone know how to obtain vcgencmd on FreeBSD? RaspberryPi 1B
[21:49] <anunnaki> in my router's settings i see two ip subnet values.. which is ip subnet for internet port and ip subnet for lan port.. i dont even see a or in the routers config.. althought to get into the router confg i have to surf to
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[21:49] <clever> anunnaki: the internet side of the router doesnt matter at all
[21:49] <irssi2> I thought there was a low frequency at which the raspberry could not start. I was wrong. 10Mhz start working.
[21:49] <clever> anunnaki: just try the value i gave, you should see it work
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[21:50] <clever> kgadek: https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/ get a copy of this, and run buildme
[21:50] <clever> irssi2: i have used the cpufreq stuff to underclock my pi down to the 10mhz area before
[21:50] <kgadek> clever: thanks!
[21:50] <clever> the SD card timed out and it went into panic mode :P
[21:51] <clever> kgadek: that userland stuff will expect to talk to a driver in the kernel, dont know if freeBSD has a copy of it
[21:51] <kgadek> we'll see then
[21:51] <clever> porting that will be a lot more work, just hope somebody else already did it
[21:51] <irssi2> indeed, the timeout appear ^^ so there has a low limit frequency. I'll get: p
[21:52] <clever> irssi2: i think the command would have still worked, but the timeout just sets off false alarms and locks the system down
[21:52] <clever> its expecting the cpu to be fast enough to keep up with the card, lol
[21:53] <irssi2> ah, black screen but the LED continues to flash. ^^
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[21:54] <clever> the screen is one of the simplest things going on
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[21:54] <clever> so thats a bit strange
[21:54] <clever> from the arm side atleast
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[21:54] <baldrick> question: anyone have geoip working with iptables on a raspberry pi
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[21:56] <irssi2> however, on a test sysbench my B + @ 1225 Mhz single thread reaches the same performance as the raspberry pi 2 @ 900 mono thread
[21:57] <anunnaki> clever: thanks! pi's drive is showing up on my gentoo system. yeah i know i can just use ssh but i oriinally thought NFS would be simple for a beginner like my brother to connect to but he will need lighttpd i guess
[21:57] <clever> anunnaki: i use nfs to access a 4tb drive in the basement
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[21:57] <clever> so my laptop has access to everything you can think of :P
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[21:58] <irssi2> people here have managed to climb higher? I have a right to go up after power but I am curious.
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[22:03] <anunnaki> clever: thats my goal
[22:03] <kgadek> clever: FYI, not building. `#include <linux/param.h>` so… :(
[22:04] <anunnaki> i want to keep adding to the pi servers and have it run a web server, media server, and also use the gpio pins on the pi to monitor my garden sensors which will then upload the findings to the web server for me to log into and check out when im on the road
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[22:05] <anunnaki> clever: however having a minor issue right now writing to the mounted pi drive with nfs.. i can scp to it just fine but figured writing via nfs would be faster.
[22:06] <anunnaki> clever: the settings i have in /etc/hosts.allow " /media/piserver,sync,no_subtree_check)" i changed it rw from ro.. restarted nfs-common and reloaded and restart nfs-kernel-server still copy movies over from my gentoo to the rpi
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[22:08] <clever> anunnaki: by default, nfs wont change the uid of things
[22:08] <clever> anunnaki: so your uid on gentoo must have write access on the pi
[22:08] <clever> uid, not username
[22:10] <anunnaki> clever: is there a group for that?
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[22:10] <clever> gid also plays a role
[22:10] <clever> to start with, run 'id' on the gentoo box and paste its output here
[22:10] <clever> uid=1000(clever) gid=1000(clever) groups=1000(clever),4(adm),10(wheel),14(uucp),18(audio),19(cdrom),27(video),85(usb),250(portage),1003(videos),1005(plugdev),1012(tim)
[22:10] <clever> this would be mine
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[22:14] <anunnaki> found this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/160295/building-nfs-server-to-be-world-writable so i just tried that.. waiting for cp -r command to return
[22:15] <clever> that just removes all security, lol
[22:15] <anunnaki> i think its working just by adding anongid and anonuid=1000
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[22:15] <clever> yeah, that maps all access to the pi user
[22:15] <clever> so anything pi can do, your whole house can do
[22:15] <clever> along with anybody that finds your wifi pw
[22:16] <anunnaki> so i need to put the user name in () after gid=1000
[22:16] <clever> no
[22:16] <clever> you want the uid number that id shows
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[22:17] <clever> nfs only looks at the number, it ignores the name entirely
[22:17] <ali1234> clever: i think i found something
[22:17] <ali1234> the VERTA register pairs don't see to be different at all
[22:17] <ali1234> none of the registers affects sync lines
[22:18] <clever> sounds like sync is handled elsewhere
[22:18] <ali1234> increasing VERTA_LO and decreasing VERTA_HI does nothing at all to the output
[22:18] <ali1234> so i have a theory now
[22:18] <ant_thomas> clever: thanks for the reply earlier regarding gpio35
[22:19] <ali1234> VERTA default is 3 20 288 2
[22:19] <ali1234> the pixel valve could have two sources, one for the visible display and one for VBI
[22:19] <ali1234> that would also handle the WSS
[22:19] <ali1234> but there is no WSS in the signal at all
[22:19] <ali1234> which is why widescreen doesn't work
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[22:20] <ali1234> anyway the bottom line is it doesn't matter which of VERTA i decrease when increasing VERTB_HI to shift up the picture
[22:21] <clever> ali1234: i think the most correct option is for the firmware team to adjust the pixel valve and dispmanx to always render to the entire screen
[22:21] <ali1234> although one interesting thing is that actually the sync lines move, not the picture
[22:21] <clever> and then adjust the overscan so fb0 doesnt land in vbi
[22:21] <ali1234> no, that won't work
[22:21] <clever> so users are free to dispmanx into vbi without register mucking
[22:21] <ali1234> stuff like the brownout icon will then be drawn in the VBI
[22:21] <ali1234> and any user overlays
[22:22] <anunnaki> clever: uid=1000(anunnaki) gid=1000(anunnaki) groups=1000(anunnaki),5(tty),6(disk),10(wheel),14(uucp),18(audio),27(video),100(users),102(privoxy),104(vboxguest),105(tor),245(plugdev),250(portage),1002(vboxusers)
[22:22] <clever> ali1234: all overlays have to be shifted down a bit by default
[22:22] <ali1234> well there's no way to do that while still allowing me to draw overlays in the VBI
[22:22] <clever> anunnaki: so your running as user 1000 on the gentoo system
[22:22] <ali1234> other than go through every piece of code and change where it draws
[22:23] <ali1234> and that won't play nice with hdmi
[22:23] <ali1234> the actual correct way to do it is by having a separate display for the VBI
[22:23] <clever> anunnaki: so nfs will map that to user 1000 on the pi
[22:23] <clever> even if 1000 winds up being a different user
[22:24] <clever> ali1234: that would work
[22:24] <ali1234> ideally i would like to be able to configure the display mode from userspace
[22:24] <ali1234> but it will be a lot of work to RE all the bits
[22:25] <clever> the simplest solution i can see, for the firmware guys to make the entire render surface 16 pixels taller
[22:26] <clever> and to +16 all y coords for every dispmanx thing
[22:26] <ali1234> that won't work for the reasons i said before...
[22:26] <clever> so existing apps render at the same point as before
[22:26] <clever> the firmware will +16 every coord coming in, so there is no change
[22:26] <ali1234> and then draw with negative coords?
[22:26] <clever> yeah
[22:26] <ali1234> no, that's horrible
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[22:26] <clever> -16 would then get you into the new zone
[22:26] <clever> more compatable, and ugly
[22:28] <anunnaki> clever: i guess.. well how do i allow my user to write to it
[22:29] <anunnaki> right now all security is off
[22:29] <clever> anunnaki: what is uid 1000 on the pi?, grep 1000 /etc/passwd
[22:30] <anunnaki> clever: pi:x:1000:1000::/home/pi:/bin/bash
[22:30] <clever> so it should have the same access as the pi user does localy
[22:31] <clever> can the pi user write to things on the hdd?
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[22:31] <H__> that's a regular unix question, wherever uid 1000 has write permissions.
[22:31] <clever> yep
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[22:32] <H__> or gid 1000 of course
[22:32] <clever> and pi is user 1000 on the pi
[22:32] <clever> the tricky part, is that anunnaki is user 1000 on the gentoo machine
[22:32] <clever> but nfs only looks at uid, so anunnaki gets whatever access pi has
[22:32] <H__> right. you may be able to map that
[22:32] <clever> this is why i keep the UID's in sync between every machine in my house
[22:32] <clever> but its hard to change them after the fact
[22:33] <anunnaki> clever: yeah the pi user can write to the drive.. just not my client user
[22:33] <clever> anunnaki: not sure whats wrong then
[22:34] <anunnaki> right now with the security off the client user on the gentoo system can write but i rather it be secure
[22:36] <clever> i would start by turning the security back on, and then confirm what the error is
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[22:42] <jamesd> wow... that was totally painless other than running cables... first pi build... put board in case, installed piglow, connected to 23" monitor via hdmi, usb keyboard and mouse, and network cable.. booted into noob, all without a single hassle other than finding room for the wall wart on my power strip.
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[22:44] <Psybur> So I to connect these nrf transceivers to a rasp pi I need female to female cables and to an arduino I need female to male right
[22:44] <Psybur> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E594ZX0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:44] * ShorTie thinkz, you doing good till the noob part
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[22:45] <tsal> Hi! Does anyone know if the new Raspberry Pi 2 is also succeptible to TV remotes?
[22:45] <ShorTie> you mean dupot wires ??
[22:45] <jamesd> ShorTie: its what it came with.. and apparently going to configure to dual boot raspbebian and xmbc... pretty sweet so far.
[22:46] <tsal> It would make sense since infrared light affects the WLCSP the most.
[22:46] <jamesd> hey its perfect, i am a noob in pi land...
[22:46] <ShorTie> ya, just kidding, just not a big nob fan is all
[22:46] <ShorTie> Good Job though
[22:46] <ShorTie> s/nob/noob/
[22:46] <jamesd> whats wrong with noob anyway?
[22:47] <ShorTie> it's a little too partition happy for me, and some things just don't like it
[22:48] <jamesd> hmm wil xmbc talk to my network digital tuner...
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[22:49] <jamesd> you don't know partition happy untill you have worked at some of the places i have.. they got in the habbit of creating a new partition for every application, even if its just an infrastructure APP, you will litterally see 12 mount points on the box before the first production app is installed.
[22:49] <ShorTie> what do you think noobs does ??
[22:50] <abnormal> sits there and says "duh"
[22:50] <ali1234> clever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9018089
[22:50] <jamesd> i'm guessing 1 partition per OS, perhaps a shared swap, and the extra 512MB partition..
[22:50] <ShorTie> no abnormal, that`s me
[22:51] <abnormal> lol
[22:51] <abnormal> jk
[22:53] <clever> brb
[22:53] <jamesd> is noob pulling down the OSes its installing from the internet? or is it embeded on the sdcard?
[22:54] <ShorTie> depends on the version of noobs and the os
[22:55] <jamesd> it said July 2014... installing raspbebian and xmbc
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[22:55] <ShorTie> thats a date, not a version
[22:56] <jamesd> yeah sorry i was so shocked it was worknig.. i didn't note the version...
[22:56] <jamesd> and now its doing its job... don't know how to check
[22:57] <ShorTie> full noobs has some os's, noobs lite does not
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[22:58] <ShorTie> what model pi did you get if i can ask ??
[22:58] <jamesd> looks like it was using about 2GB for noobs, and it was installing at 2.4MB/s.. so i think its getting it from the internet.. my internel link will do upto 3MB/s
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[22:58] <jamesd> version 1 b+
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[22:58] <jamesd> from canakit ultra bundle
[22:58] <clever> back
[23:00] <jamesd> front
[23:00] <ShorTie> if the nic lights are a blinking' i'd guess net
[23:01] <jamesd> yeah.. they are blinking..
[23:01] <clever> ali1234: heh, so you could dos every tv on the network
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[23:04] <ali1234> clever: seems so
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[23:05] <clever> ali1234: my tv is similarly wonky
[23:05] <clever> picture in picture ONLY works with coax + vga
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[23:05] <clever> so i have to switch to SDTV and crappy pc to get pip
[23:05] <tsal> Does anyone here have the new RPi 2, a TV remote and is willing to do a quick experiment?
[23:05] <clever> it also ignores the hdmi switcher, and keeps booting the ps3 up, even though its not on that input
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[23:16] <jamesd> mk++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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[23:16] <jamesd> darn cat..
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[23:17] <Xark> jamesd: At least it is all warmed up for you now. :)
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[23:27] <anunnaki> Psybur: yes that is correct.. i wasnt happy when i realized i didnt have female to female dupont pins for my nrf24 modules.. theyre on their way though. also the nrf24 module has an adaptor where it connects to the 8 pins and then has a 8 straight pins that i believe can be placed right on top of the arduino or pi.. i cant remember
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[23:32] <Psybur> So I have a pi 2 b, an arduino uno r3, jumper wires, and 2 nrf transceiver modules headed my way. I also have an old electronics learning lab thing that has a breadboard and all kinds of switches/buttons, potentiometers etc and several different rails with diff voltages
[23:33] <Psybur> And a bunch of wires, resistors, capacitors and some chips
[23:33] <Psybur> And LEDs. Im pretty stoked
[23:34] <anunnaki> Psybur: there are great arduino rpi twitter accounts you can follow that post neat projects everyday
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[23:35] <anunnaki> psybur if its your first arduino, you might want to buy some 16mhz crystals, some 22pf capacitors, and some extra atmega328p chips to build your own arduinos. youll venture there eventually
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[23:37] <Psybur> anunnaki, yes I was thinking about that if my project here works out well
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[23:37] <Psybur> Shelling out $20 for a uC every time I want to expand might get expensive quick
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[23:38] <ali1234> Psybur: that's why you use cheap arduino clones
[23:38] <ali1234> AVR chips cost about $1.50
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[23:39] <ali1234> http://www.amazon.co.uk/atmega328-Replace-ATmega128-Arduino-Compatible-Module/dp/B00H8MYAGI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1423435160&sr=8-6&keywords=atmega328
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[23:56] <anunnaki> i just bought an atmega328p for $6 i beleive with the uno bootloader preloaded.. but read reviews it wasnt really on there.. oh well.. but that and a couple other little cheap parts and you can have a simple arduino clone.. need a USB to Serial converter though and i think those cost like $10
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