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IRC Log for 2015-02-09

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[0:04] <Xark> anunnaki: Sounds about right. It is possible to use (e.g.) FTDI USB to TTL serial adapters to flash a bootloader on a blank chip too (with a simple circuit).
[0:05] <clever> anunnaki: if you have a pi, you can just use the 3.3v serial header right on it
[0:05] <clever> skip the ftdi
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[0:06] <Xark> anunnaki: Yes, I was going to say that. You can also program AVR with RPi -> http://blog.stevemarple.co.uk/2012/07/avrarduino-isp-programmer-using.html
[0:06] <clever> you can also do ISP on the pi to burn a bootloader
[0:06] <clever> xark just linked that
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[0:13] <mattwj2002> hi all
[0:14] <mattwj2002> anyone have a rpi 2 yet?
[0:14] <anunnaki> i need to find out if a temp/humid sensor and nrf24 module thatll transmit the data back to the pi's nrf24 module, if it needs its own uno or pi conneted to the sensors or if a breadboard, a 9v battery, and the sensor and module will be all that is needed to be a transmitter
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[0:16] <turtlehat> mattwj2002, yea
[0:16] <anunnaki> if i do need another uno/pi to go with the transceiver and sensors.. then ill save $30 and just build a minimal arduino that will go with the sensors and transmitter
[0:16] <anunnaki> or get a attiny if that will work
[0:17] <mattwj2002> hey turtlehat
[0:17] <anunnaki> the pi is just going to be the base/receiver which i hope to upload that data to a webpage on teh pi's web server
[0:17] <mattwj2002> turtlehat: is there a windows 10 preview for the rpi 2 ?
[0:17] <turtlehat> dont think there is anything yet
[0:17] <turtlehat> windows 10 IoT
[0:18] <turtlehat> i dont think it will be a desktop experience ;)
[0:18] <mattwj2002> oh okay
[0:18] <mattwj2002> I doubt it
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[0:18] <mattwj2002> just curious!
[0:18] <mattwj2002> the rpi 2 will run the original rpi images right?
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[0:19] <turtlehat> dont know havent tried
[0:19] <mattwj2002> oh ok
[0:19] <mattwj2002> :)
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[0:20] <mattwj2002> turtlehat: what have you done with it?
[0:20] <turtlehat> im just using it to tinker around, and experiment with gpio interaction from webstuff
[0:20] <turtlehat> nodejs + gpio
[0:21] <mattwj2002> oh okay cool
[0:21] <mattwj2002> sorry too many questions I was just curious about the rpi 2
[0:21] <mattwj2002> :)
[0:21] <turtlehat> i have something upcoming where i am using it to play some sounds where the volume is controlled by a hc-sr04
[0:22] <mattwj2002> neato turtlehat
[0:22] <turtlehat> so when you get closer to the sensor, the volume gets louder
[0:22] <mattwj2002> hehe
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[0:22] <mattwj2002> sounds cool!
[0:23] <turtlehat> yea :)
[0:24] <mattwj2002> I just found out that rpi has a gps hat!
[0:24] <mattwj2002> as an option
[0:25] <Gadgetoid> Awesome, just rebooted my Pi with a camera flash... remote control :D
[0:26] <mattwj2002> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-ultimate-gps-hat-for-raspberry-pi/overview
[0:26] <Gadgetoid> Well, I say rebooted, temporarily froze more like
[0:28] <mattwj2002> Gadgetoid: do you have a 2? it sounds nice
[0:29] <Gadgetoid> mattwj2002: Yes!
[0:29] <mattwj2002> do you like it?
[0:29] <mattwj2002> quad core sounds nice
[0:29] <mattwj2002> :D
[0:29] <Gadgetoid> It boots so, so fast
[0:29] <Gadgetoid> But I still have a load of software that's frustrating me on it :D
[0:29] <mattwj2002> what is going on?
[0:30] <Gadgetoid> It's not quite yet the Pi experience we all know and love, but that's not a problem for everyone
[0:30] <Gadgetoid> And Xenon flashes freeze it, too, apparently
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[0:31] <mattwj2002> bumme
[0:31] <mattwj2002> *bummer
[0:32] <ali1234> who said "verta" is "blood" in Finnish?
[0:32] <ali1234> google translate disagrees
[0:32] <mattwj2002> I am so done with the Finnish people!
[0:32] <mattwj2002> :P
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[0:33] <Gadgetoid> They always Finnish first
[0:33] <ali1234> mortal: ^
[0:33] <mattwj2002> I am an American so let the jokes begin!
[0:33] <mattwj2002> haha Gadgetoid
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[0:34] <ali1234> hmm if i put "Verta" then it does say "blood" but "verta" = "to compare"
[0:35] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, sadly the laser pointer in my rubbish little keyboard wont reset the Pi though
[0:35] <Gadgetoid> I could have had so much fun trolling at work with that
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[0:39] <xace> Hey, does anyone know of a project/library for supporting a sd card reader/writer through GPIO?
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[0:42] <Xark> xace: USB to SD adapter is a lot easier. However, (slow) access via SPI should be possible over GPIO. Googling around I don't see anything but people musing about it. Like http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=94194
[0:42] <ali1234> xace: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/mmc_over_gpio
[0:43] <ali1234> i've used this. it isn't fast
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[0:43] <Gadgetoid> Haha, this is entertaining- death by camera flash: https://vine.co/v/OU1hJDvaFiW
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[0:44] <Gadgetoid> Probably not a good idea to continue inducing voltage spikes
[0:44] <xace> Xark, ali1234: thank you.
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[0:48] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Probably not. Also nixes any possibility of combo Raspberry Pi Jam & Disco events (with strobe lights and mirror-balls). :)
[0:48] <Gadgetoid> Damn the Pi birthday bash will be so boring now!
[0:48] <Gadgetoid> It will have to be in perfect darkness, with all light sources confiscated on the door!
[0:49] <Xark> And everybody with night-vision goggles. :)
[0:49] <Xark> (or Pi-nior cams). :)
[0:49] <Gadgetoid> No, none of that IR it could reset my Pi 2!
[0:50] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Taking a hard line and banning all photons, huh?
[0:50] <Gadgetoid> All of them!
[0:51] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if a luxeon rebel LED will reset it
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[1:05] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Supposedly a weak red laser pointer won't, but a strong one or green laser will. I bet the LED could if right on the chip in question...
[1:06] <Gadgetoid> Wonder what the minimum power requirement for a Pi resetting laser is...
[1:06] * Xark links a handy picture posted to HackADay showing the tiny "shy" chip -> http://i.imgur.com/mAKtA7W.jpg
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[1:06] <Xark> Gadgetoid: Not sure. I wonder if sunlight would do it? :)
[1:06] <Gadgetoid> I'm going to stick it under our inspection microscope tomorrow
[1:06] <Gadgetoid> Wish we had a better one
[1:07] <Gadgetoid> What's sunlight!
[1:07] <Gadgetoid> ?
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[1:09] <Xark> Excess photons from an ongoing nuclear reaction going on in the large hydrogen-helium mass our planet is orbiting (or so it is rumored from the "outside"). :)
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[1:10] <Xark> Sounds very dangerous, someone should put a stop to it. :)
[1:13] <mattwj2002> interesting fact....
[1:13] <jhford> silly question, why is there tape on the hdmi connectors? The best I could come up with is so that the 'springs' don't catch on things
[1:14] <mattwj2002> if the sun went out it wouuld take over 8 minutes for us to know (due to lack of light anyways gavaity travels faster)
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[1:15] <Xark> jhford: That orange looking tape is Kapton tape so the part can be grabbed by vacuum pick and place (I believe).
[1:15] <jhford> ty!
[1:15] <jhford> i write software all day long... hardware is voodoo to me
[1:17] <Xark> mattwj2002: I believe gravity waves propagate at speed of light too (although gravity waves haven't been directly detected yet).
[1:18] <Triffid_Hunter> Xark: I read in several places that if gravity propagated at light speed, orbits would be unstable and everything would fly away from stars
[1:18] <Xark> jhford: Right on. I am mostly software too (just that I previously asked the same question). :)
[1:18] <jhford> haha. great minds... :)
[1:18] <Triffid_Hunter> Xark: due to the way that the barycentre of various systems would shift around
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[1:19] <jhford> hardware when it's personal projects and hacking or cars is tons of fun. touching servers is my least favourite activity at work
[1:19] <jhford> thankfully i don't have to do that anymore
[1:19] <senoje> Linux raspy 3.12.23-2.20140626git25673c3.rpfr20.armv6hl.bcm2708 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 4 16:06:10 EDT 2014 armv6l armv6l armv6l GNU/Linux
[1:20] <senoje> woops
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[1:20] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: Well, perhaps Einstein was wrong, but GR predicts speed of light for gravity -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity#General_relativity
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[1:24] <senoje> list
[1:25] <zenguy_pc> can i share my ethernet connection to three wireless usb's simultaneously ?
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[1:25] <Xark> zenguy_pc: I believe so...
[1:26] <zenguy_pc> Xark: can you point me to the right direction?
[1:27] <Xark> zenguy_pc: I think it just normal routing, like if you had multiple ethernet cards.
[1:27] <zenguy_pc> never really done this sort of thing i just want to try it
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[1:28] <Xark> zenguy_pc: Describe exactly what you want to do. What kind of USB WiFi? Do you want to be an access-point?
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[1:29] <Xark> zenguy_pc: Something like this https://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-wifi-access-point/overview except with several USB devices seems possible...
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[1:30] <Xark> zenguy_pc: I think the main thing is that for 2nd Wifi it will be device wlan1 (vs wlan0) etc.
[1:30] <zenguy_pc> Xark: i have a router connected to wifi running openwrt.. my pi is connected to that router via ethernet since the router acts as an AP. .. i have 3 usb wifi dongles.. i want to share internet from the ethernet interface to all three wifi adapters
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[1:31] <zenguy_pc> this is not a serious setup.. i'm just lookign for somethign fun to do and learn before i start watching tv tonight
[1:31] <Xark> zenguy_pc: OK, I think that Adafruit article is a good start (it should get first WiFi working and as I mention others are similar with different device).
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[2:01] <ali1234> hmm... 444*720/864 = 370
[2:02] <ali1234> this means a 370 wide image stretched to 720 is exactly 1 pixel per VBI bit
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[2:27] <Foxhoundz> Is there any places where the RPi is in stock?
[2:27] <Foxhoundz> Like, ready to ship now
[2:27] <Foxhoundz> not a MONTH from now?
[2:27] <Foxhoundz> Element14 was out
[2:27] <Foxhoundz> :(
[2:27] <Foxhoundz> RPI 2
[2:27] <Foxhoundz> not 1
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[2:41] <Foxhoundz> anyone?
[2:41] <Foxhoundz> no?
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[2:43] <anunnaki> Bueller?
[2:43] <anunnaki> Bueller?
[2:43] <oldtopman> Foxhoundz: RPi has a terrible supply chain. No place at all.
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[2:44] <Foxhoundz> I mean, I could understand the RPi running out when it first came out
[2:45] <oldtopman> Foxhoundz: That thing didn't just run out, it was impossible to get for up-near a year.
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[2:45] <oldtopman> I pre-ordered hours after it came out, and it was well over a month before it came IIRC.
[2:45] <oldtopman> s/hours/minutes
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[2:47] <nullfaith> o/
[2:47] <Foxhoundz> \p
[2:47] <Foxhoundz> nullfaith: get me an rpi2
[2:48] <nullfaith> If it were a perfect world. XD
[2:50] * oldtopman still has his original Pi 0.
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[2:51] <ozzzy> I ordered mine on the 2nd and they shipped on the 6th
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[2:54] <abnormal> from where?
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[2:54] <ozzzy> element14
[2:56] <abnormal> ahh.. good going...
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[2:56] <abnormal> my favorite site
[2:56] <abnormal> the other one is Adafruit.com
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[2:59] <ozzzy> I bought her arduino motor shield... I was underwhelmed
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[3:05] <abnormal> oh?
[3:05] <abnormal> peice of crap?
[3:06] <ali1234> ozzzy: v1 or v2?
[3:09] <ozzzy> v2
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[3:23] <ozzzy> I wanted to use it to control a camera tracker (stepper and worm/wheel). Depending on the stepper I found that it wasn't going to step the motor accurately enough
[3:24] <ali1234> yes the PWM chip isn't very good, it is meant for driving LEDs
[3:24] <ali1234> Im using it for DC motors and they scream in the audio frequency
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[3:26] <ozzzy> yep... been there done that LOL
[3:26] <ozzzy> drove me nuts trying to figure it out
[3:26] <ozzzy> I eventually just made a shield around a ULN2003A and wrote a sketch for it
[3:26] <ali1234> heh... problem is it can only do PWM up to 1kHz
[3:28] <ali1234> that's well above persistence of vision so LEDs wont flicker
[3:28] <ali1234> but right in the audible range so motors are really loud
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[4:49] <PovAddict> minibian doesn't come with wi-fi support by default, which means I can't boot up and ssh right in
[4:49] <PovAddict> so I thought "let's plug in a USB keyboard, a monitor, and install the wi-fi stuff"
[4:49] <PovAddict> and now it hits me, how will I download and install the wi-fi packages if I don't have networking -.-
[4:49] <PovAddict> I need to download the packages on the computer and throw them on the SD card first
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[4:59] <hovis> Hey guys, I'm hoping to get some help troubleshooting a simple thermometer job. I've followed the many tutorials for the ubiquitous DS18B20 thermometer, and I got it to work easy peasy. Two days later, now I can't get the pi to recognize the thermometer on GPIO4.
[4:59] <abnormal> no, just use the ethernet port to get access then when done, you can access the wifi
[5:00] <hovis> Here's the best DS18B20 article I've found: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/
[5:01] <clever> hovis: i found that the gpio pins on the pi are rather weak, it cant handle one-wire over long cables
[5:01] <clever> i have an avr driving ~10 sensors running all over the house with plain old telephone wire
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[5:01] <PovAddict> abnormal: I don't have physical access to my router atm
[5:01] <hovis> clever: how long is "long" to you? This is a 1 meter wire.
[5:01] <clever> from a single gpio, with no pullup helper
[5:01] <clever> hovis: to every single room in the house
[5:02] <clever> star wiring
[5:02] <hovis> I don't think that could be my problem. My thermometer is only 1 meter of cable away from the pi.
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[5:02] <clever> hovis: do you have a scope?
[5:03] <hovis> I'd have to go dig it up, but I've got an old analog job in the shop.
[5:03] <hovis> Good thinking, though, it seems a logical next step.
[5:03] <clever> id recomend you check the high/low level and rise times
[5:03] <clever> and maybe adjust the pullup resistor
[5:03] <PovAddict> abnormal: maybe I could connect the pi and the computer with a direct ethernet cable, though that needs static IP setup
[5:03] <hovis> Okay, I'll try that. I have little experience with digital circuits. Can you suggest a google query so I can read about "rise times"?
[5:04] <oldtopman> hovis: 'signal rise time' should do it.
[5:04] <oldtopman> Basically, the amount of time it takes for a signal to go from 0 to 1.
[5:04] <clever> hovis: in the ds18b20 datasheet, it has figures on how long of a low is 0, and how long is a 1
[5:04] <hovis> killer, thanks a bunch
[5:04] <hovis> aha, makes sense
[5:04] <clever> and if the rise time sucks, it will take too long to rise, and then your bits get stretched
[5:04] <clever> also, is it passively or actively powered?
[5:05] <oldtopman> Also, if it's really fast, you can get ringing, which really requires impedance matching (add resistors until it works)
[5:05] <abnormal> PovAddict, yes, but I have no exper in that setup, have to ask shiftplusone , ShorTie , or [Saint] ....
[5:05] <abnormal> or niston
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[5:06] <hovis> clever: actively, I guess. The device is wired to 3.3V, GND, and GPIO4
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[5:07] <ali1234> clever: i nearly have this working
[5:07] <clever> hovis: shouldnt be a lack of power then
[5:07] <ali1234> i think my fifo is busted
[5:07] <clever> ali1234: nice
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[5:08] <ali1234> i think locking should not be needed... one thread moves the head pointer and the other moves the tail
[5:08] <ali1234> and the "pointers" are uint8_t so they are atomic
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[5:09] <clever> pointers on the pi are all unsigned 32bit, but still atomic if you align them right
[5:09] <ali1234> they're not real pointers
[5:09] <clever> pthread should have a dedicated type that is always atomic
[5:09] <clever> ah, sounds fine then
[5:09] <clever> one thing i find helps a lot, move that fifo code into its own .c file
[5:10] <ali1234> it already is
[5:10] <ali1234> uint8_t tt_buffer[NBUFFERS][42];
[5:10] <ali1234> volatile uint8_t buffer_head = 0;
[5:10] <ali1234> volatile uint8_t buffer_tail = 0;
[5:10] <clever> then create a new .c, with its own main(), so stress test the fifo code
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[5:10] <clever> looks good
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[5:12] <ali1234> if i send every packet 16 times it works fine
[5:12] <ali1234> ie if every field has 16 of the same packet
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[5:12] <ali1234> so maybe the flip is happening at the wrong time
[5:13] <ali1234> seems unlikely though as the data is really messed up
[5:13] <clever> i found that the vsync happens about 10-20 scan-lines before vsync
[5:13] <clever> depending on how slow your code is, it may wind up flipping right in the middle of VBI
[5:13] <ali1234> maybe i'm writing into the wwrong buffer actually... i should check that
[5:14] <ali1234> it flips first, then write the new data
[5:14] <ali1234> so i don't see how it could ever be any faster
[5:14] <clever> ah
[5:14] <clever> you got 2 resources on one element working?
[5:14] <ali1234> but normally you'd have 16 scanlines extra margin
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[5:14] <ali1234> yeah. well i think i have
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[5:15] <ali1234> everything seems to work fine when you don't have millions of callbacks clogging everything up
[5:15] <clever> where exactly is the problem appearing?
[5:15] <clever> bt848 capture?, an actual tv?
[5:15] <ali1234> int the TV :)
[5:15] <clever> ah
[5:15] <ali1234> the pages are all corrupted
[5:15] <clever> does normal software on the bt848 decode it?
[5:15] <clever> the default, not your own
[5:16] <ali1234> no idea
[5:16] <ali1234> alevt is useless for this
[5:16] <ali1234> it won;t show you partially decoded pages, it just sulks
[5:16] <clever> ah
[5:16] <clever> what if you run your own decoder on it?
[5:17] <ali1234> my decoder can only handle badly degraded packets so i'd have to record it onto a VHS then play it back
[5:17] <ali1234> and it takes hours to decode one page
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[5:17] <clever> lol, whats wrong with it?
[5:17] <ali1234> it's specifically designed to recover pages from VHS recordings
[5:18] <clever> ah, design
[5:18] <ali1234> VHS bandwidth is quite a bit below what you need for teletext, so it uses blind deconvolution
[5:18] <ali1234> except it's not quite blind because we know input is only ever either 1 or 0
[5:18] <ali1234> after that it gets a bit complicated
[5:19] <ali1234> okay the flipping is definitely working because i sent an all black buffer and an all white buffer
[5:19] <ali1234> the two buffers always show up in the correct field with no tearing
[5:19] <PovAddict> what are you two up to?
[5:20] <ali1234> hacking the pi to play back teletext
[5:20] <PovAddict> ah :o
[5:20] <PovAddict> I don't have teletext here
[5:20] <PovAddict> but cool hack
[5:20] <clever> i never even knew such an advanced protocol existed
[5:20] <clever> north america has the crippled closed captioning system
[5:21] <PovAddict> I saw it in spain
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[5:21] <PovAddict> I want to record SDTV though
[5:21] <PovAddict> what TV capture thingy are you using?
[5:21] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/bbc1/19961225/ is some teletext i recovered from a VHS tape
[5:22] <ali1234> i use an old hauppauge wintv bt878 but you don't want one of those for general recording
[5:22] <ali1234> i only use it because it has a great VBI capture mode
[5:22] <PovAddict> I have a PCI card on my computer with the other chip, what is it called...
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[5:23] <PovAddict> Philips SAA71something
[5:23] <clever> pvr-150 is the good one, if you can consider anything not HD good :P
[5:23] <ali1234> PovAddict: that's the tuner
[5:23] <PovAddict> I never got the tuner to work on Linux
[5:23] <ali1234> oh wait, no it isn't
[5:24] <ali1234> it's a PCI capture chip
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[5:24] <PovAddict> only the composite video capture worked (which I used successfully to convert 8mm video tapes to DVDs)
[5:24] <PovAddict> so what can you recommend for general recording that works on the Pi? (ie. not PCI :P)
[5:25] <ali1234> no idea
[5:25] <ali1234> there are no analogue TV broadcasts here any more
[5:25] <clever> it would have to be usb or ethernet
[5:25] <clever> i have seen some HDTV ethernet capture boxes
[5:25] <PovAddict> ali1234: what are you doing with teletext then? o.o
[5:25] <PovAddict> recovering from VHS?
[5:25] <ali1234> yes, and playback to TV
[5:25] <clever> PovAddict: if the pi can send teletext, then you could display almost anything on the pi output port
[5:26] <PovAddict> ohhhh
[5:26] <PovAddict> you're playing it back, not just decoding it
[5:26] <clever> though just rendering to fb0 would be better, lol
[5:26] <ali1234> nah it wouldn't
[5:26] <ali1234> the TV rendering is much smoother and nicer looking than composite
[5:26] <clever> ah, yeah on composite it would be
[5:27] <clever> hdmi would still beat it i think
[5:27] <ali1234> yeah but it wouldn't look right
[5:27] <ali1234> also you couldn't interact with it through the TV remote the way you are supposed to
[5:27] <ali1234> and rendering teletext correctly is actually surprisingly hard
[5:27] <ali1234> for 100% correctness anyway
[5:28] <PovAddict> ok back to my problem
[5:28] <ali1234> also i'm only doing this while i wait for my robot parts to arrive from china
[5:28] <PovAddict> what packages do I need for working wifi?
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[5:28] <clever> PovAddict: and you cant just stick an ethernet cable in it?
[5:28] <PovAddict> clever: no physical access to router atm
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[5:29] <clever> wireless-tools and its deps
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[5:29] <clever> simplest answer, run apt-get and see what packages it lists
[5:29] <PovAddict> clever: I could connect pi<->computer via ethernet but the
[5:29] <ali1234> you should ask the dev to include wifi
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[5:29] <ali1234> i mean what if someone has model A? (like me)
[5:29] <clever> ali1234: its called minibian, probly meant to be tiny
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[5:30] <ali1234> yeah but even so, wifi is important
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[5:36] <jamesd> why does my b+ pi only show one core in /proc/cpuinfo ... do i need to install an SMP kernel?
[5:37] <ali1234> because it only has one core
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[5:38] <PovAddict> jamesd: the B and B+ have the exact same SoC (CPU, etc), and it's single-core
[5:38] <PovAddict> jamesd: the new Raspberry Pi 2 has a quad-core CPU
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[5:39] <jamesd> damm i thought i read it was a dual core and the new one is quad...
[5:40] <clever> all of them also include a dual core VC4 processor, but you cant easily use that
[5:40] <clever> and a sorta 192 core v4d processor
[5:42] * jamesd fights the urge to order a pi 2... i don't really need another desktop... the single core will be fine, the single core will be fine.
[5:42] <clever> lol
[5:43] <clever> i dont have a B+, just a rev1 and rev2 b, considering a pi2 soon
[5:43] <PovAddict> I have a B, dunno rev
[5:43] <clever> rev2 has another 2 headers on it
[5:43] <clever> one for reset, one with i2s and a few gpio
[5:49] <jamesd> okay it feels a lot faster over ssh anyway... i should just forget it runs X... and call it a day.
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[6:14] <hovis> clever: as far as I can tell, there's just NO signal on GPIO4
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[6:14] <clever> hovis: did you enable one-wire in device-tree?
[6:15] <PovAddict> does the Pi have a UART?
[6:15] <clever> PovAddict: it has 2
[6:15] <hovis> I have no idea. The tutorial I was following said to modprobe w1-gpio to turnon One Wire
[6:15] <clever> hovis: recent kernel updates changed that slightly
[6:15] <clever> hovis: you have to enable one-wire in config.txt now
[6:16] <hovis> huh, okay
[6:16] <clever> half the threads on the forum keep linking to that thread
[6:16] <hovis> I'll go do more research, then :)
[6:16] <clever> its under the interfacing sub-forum
[6:16] <PovAddict> so can I communicate via serial? say, make an IR remote thingy by connecting an IR LED to a GPIO and *not* bitbanging myself?
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[6:16] <clever> PovAddict: lirc already exists on the pi
[6:16] <clever> the kernel can bitbang the led for you
[6:17] <PovAddict> (I assume you know what bitbanging is :P)
[6:17] <clever> i helped write that lirc driver :P
[6:17] <PovAddict> :)
[6:17] <clever> if you dont want lirc and the kernel doing the bitbang for you, hook up a 3.3v microcontroller on the uart
[6:17] <clever> and have it do that
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[6:18] <PovAddict> is lirc specific to any IR protocol or can it do whatever?
[6:18] <clever> it can do anything
[6:19] <clever> the lirc config files specify the carrier freq (typicaly 40khz), and the encoding style (many), then the actual data for every key
[6:19] <clever> and just incase your encoding isnt supported, it also has raw encoding, just the bare signal
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[6:22] <PovAddict> I can't find the proper documentation for this
[6:22] <PovAddict> clever: but I found this: http://www.mralligator.com/rcx/protocol.html
[6:22] <clever> install lirc from apt-get, modprobe lirc_rpi, and then find an lirc config file for your remote
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[6:36] <ShorTie> 'modprobe lirc_rpi' depends on last update/upgrade
[6:38] <ShorTie> might need to use 'lirc-rpi-overlay.dtb' instead
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[6:38] <clever> ah nice, i was just wondering if its been device-tree'd
[6:40] <PovAddict> I better go to sleep, it's 2am
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[6:40] <PovAddict> tomorrow i shall fight with wifi
[6:40] <clever> same
[6:40] <PovAddict> and minibian
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[7:51] <Vialas> hello everyone
[7:51] <Vialas> long time no speak
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[7:56] <shiftplusone> hey
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[8:50] <mortal> I hope my pi arrives today
[8:50] <mortal> I think it shipped on wednesday
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[9:23] <Chib> Got mine today mortal, can't get it working though. D:
[9:23] <shiftplusone> Chib, what's the problem?
[9:24] <Chib> Starts booting then about 3 seconds into the screen filling with text it just reboots and keeps looping.
[9:24] <day> the flashlight bug is hilarious
[9:24] <shiftplusone> definitely sounds like a power or overclocking issue
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[9:25] <Chib> Tried multiple power supplies and I'm not doing any overclocking.
[9:27] <shiftplusone> what does the text say
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[9:27] <shiftplusone> (maybe take a photo)
[9:28] <shiftplusone> otherwise, just return it (after actually ruling power issues out with a multimeter
[9:28] <Chib> Yeah, I'll try. Just doing a full overwrite format with SDFormatter atm.
[9:28] <Triffid_Hunter> if it's too quick, take a video
[9:28] <ShorTie> what is on your sdcard Chib ??
[9:28] <Chib> Tried Raspbian and NOOBS.
[9:29] <Chib> NOOBS doesn't give any text, just a colourful box thing before rebooting.
[9:29] <ShorTie> latest versions ??
[9:30] <ShorTie> what model pi again, missed it ??
[9:30] <Chib> 2.
[9:30] <Chib> Downloaded direct from raspberrypi.org.
[9:30] <Chib> So probably latest.
[9:32] <ShorTie> should be, like 2015-01-31-raspbian.zip ??
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[9:34] <Chib> Yep that's the one.
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[9:38] <Jck_true_> Chib: Only getting the color palette? Sounds like your SD card wasn't flashed properly
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[9:42] <Chib> Jck_true_: I followed these instructions to copy the NOOBS files over: http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
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[9:43] <Jck_true_> Chib: Have the card worked for you before?
[9:43] <Chib> And for Raspbian I used Win32DiskImager.
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[9:43] <Chib> I've never booted off it Jck_true_, just bought it today.
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[9:43] <Chib> Not having any problems writing or reading stuff on it though.
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[9:44] <Chib> For Raspbian I also did a full overwrite/erase with size adjustment too.
[9:44] <Chib> Just redoing that again now and going to try NOOBS again.
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[9:47] <ShorTie> you did extract the image from the zip file right ??
[9:49] <Chib> Aye. (:
[9:51] <[Saint]> Any particular reason you're going with NOOBS?
[9:51] <[Saint]> it's a bit weird and largely unnecessary IMO.
[9:51] <Chib> Because Raspbian didn't work.
[9:52] <Chib> Found an old microSD card but it's only 512 MB. D:
[9:52] <[Saint]> I would suspect that to be an isolated issue.
[9:52] <Chib> Immediately after displaying the splash screen, the PI starts consuming a little more current. If the PI resets at that moment, it is an indication that the power supply isn't able to deliver the full current your PI requires, but dips its output voltage below a minimum when loaded with the full current the PI needs.
[9:52] <Chib> Oops.
[9:53] <Chib> Seems likely it is a power issue then.
[9:53] <[Saint]> Either that, or, you used a pi image on a pi 2
[9:53] <Chib> I guess I'll have to try a 3rd power supply.
[9:54] <[Saint]> You're wanting at least 5V, in the order of around 2A.
[9:54] <Chib> The Raspberry Pi 2 blog post indicates the Raspbian and NOOBS files at http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ should be fine for the 2.
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[9:54] <Chib> Yeah what I have should be sufficient.
[9:55] <[Saint]> I'm sure that's the case, I was just saying that for most people NOOBS is overkill and largely unnecessary.
[9:55] <[Saint]> And was referring to the raspbian image specifically.
[9:56] <[Saint]> (regarding pi vs PJ 2)
[9:56] <[Saint]> bah, damn mobile keyboard autocomplete
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[10:01] <Chib> Just tried to power from a USB 3 port, didn't work. d:
[10:01] <Chib> Think that's only 1.5 A though.
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[10:02] <Chib> Heading over to a friend's place to test a different power supply, so cool I can just put it in my pocket and do that. o:
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[10:13] <[Saint]> Chib: a spec-following USB port of any class will only give out 100mA to a device that doesn't enumerate
[10:13] <[Saint]> (hint: the pi doesn't)
[10:14] <[Saint]> Only a dedicated charging port will dish out more if it follows spec, but it still wouldn't dish out more than 500mA, again assuming it follows spec
[10:15] <[Saint]> The device has to indicate that its recognized it as a dedicated fast charging port and communicate its requirements. Pi can't do that.
[10:15] <[Saint]> This "just works" for a lot of USB ports though because spec following USB ports are like unicorns.
[10:16] <[Saint]> *note I greatly simplified the explanations here and there are edge cases and some room for wiggle
[10:18] <[Saint]> The pi itself wants a lot less than 2A for normal operation as well.
[10:19] <mortal> I wish I will get my pi2 today
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[10:19] <[Saint]> 2A is simply a good ballpark if you're running hungry peripherals like wireless dongles and USB optical mouse from the pi itself
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[10:20] <[Saint]> If you've got an actively powered hub running those, you should be able to get away with 6~700mA
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[10:21] <[Saint]> A lot less on the A variants.
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[11:12] <[Saint]> Hahahaha, "Mogwai Effect"
[11:12] <[Saint]> No Xenon flashes
[11:12] <[Saint]> Don't apt-get after midnight
[11:13] <[Saint]> And don't get it wet.
[11:13] <[Saint]> ...otherwise it spits out evil Model A boards.
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[11:17] <u-ou> don't apt-get after midnight? o.o
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[11:18] <[Saint]> Closest analogy I could think of to "feeding" a raspi.
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[11:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> midnight where though ....
[11:22] <u-ou> lol
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[11:35] <[Saint]> The locale of the server the mirror director diverts you to I guess ;-)
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[12:01] <u-ou> do you think this http://www.adafruit.com/products/1601 and this http://www.adafruit.com/products/2253 and the B+ model will all fit together?
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[12:01] <Habbie> u-ou, i'd suggest asking adafruit, i bet they know!
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[12:02] <u-ou> yeah :D
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[12:02] <u-ou> hmm, looks to me like it will
[12:02] <u-ou> but without the lid of course
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[12:03] <u-ou> but yeah. i'll ask :p
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[12:07] <u-ou> that little screen is so cool though
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[12:34] <Gadgetoid_> Can anyone weigh in on the sanity of this as a short-term avoidance of rpi-update? https://gist.github.com/Gadgetoid/57084ec5817142a118ac
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[12:43] <Chib> Yay, it was my power supply, all working now!
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[12:47] <Draylor> ouch, yeah that might cause a minor issue or two if usleep is that unreliable
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[12:55] <Gadgetoid_> Draylor, Haha, yeah it's a known and fixed bug, but there's no telling how long before it'll be in the stable Raspbian "firmware" release
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[12:55] <phire> what causes it?
[12:56] <Draylor> rolling out shiny newness without sufficient testing :P
[12:56] <Gadgetoid_> No comment!
[12:57] <[Saint]> Why the hell do people even use rpi-update still anyway?
[12:57] <[Saint]> It was only ever briefly relevant.
[13:01] <Draylor> shrug if theres a saner way of easily grabbing 2b friendly firmware/kernels it passed me by entirely
[13:02] <[Saint]> There's firmware/kernel/header *-latest packages in the repo
[13:02] <[Saint]> Ever since then rpi-update kinda died.
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[13:03] <[Saint]> 'apt-cache search latest'
[13:04] <Draylor> yup, still not seeing it (raspbian/wheezy)
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[13:07] <Gadgetoid_> rpi-update is one of those things I'm trying to nuke from orbit, it's a support nightmare and various issues with the camera, and now with Pi 2, have trained users that it's okay to run
[13:08] <Gadgetoid_> But I content that- no, replacing your entire kernel, modules and contents of /boot/ and now somehow RPi.GPIO too (what the?) with possibly broken and not package controlled versions is not productive
[13:08] <Draylor> yeah im amazed it still exists in any form. scripts downloading arbitary kernel/firmware versions - ugh
[13:08] <Gadgetoid_> Specially when the timer can be fixed with a 205byte device tree overlay file
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[13:11] <[Saint]> Hmmm...maybe I'm misremembering.
[13:11] <[Saint]> Does raspbian use *-next?
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[13:12] <[Saint]> Raspbian _does_ have bleeding edge kernel/firmware/header packages.
[13:12] <[Saint]> I use Arch, so the package names aren't fresh in my mind.
[13:13] <Habbie> does arch work on the pi2?
[13:13] <[Saint]> But they do (maybe not for the pi 2, 'cos new?) exist, though.
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[13:13] <Habbie> related question, is there a newer chromium for pi than the very old version in raspbian?
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[13:14] <Draylor> looks like the package for raspbian is raspberrypi-bootloader, which temporarily (?) has a 3.18 kernel included
[13:16] <[Saint]> Habbie: chromium on a pi? You're game..
[13:16] <[Saint]> Even in the pi 2...ick.
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[13:18] <Habbie> game?
[13:18] <[Saint]> Ummm...how can I rephrase that.
[13:19] <[Saint]> Masochistic?
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[13:19] <Habbie> can't say i agree
[13:19] <[Saint]> Yeah, that'll do.
[13:19] <[Saint]> Compared to a web browser on a "real" machine, its terrible.
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[13:20] <Habbie> sure
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[13:20] <[Saint]> So, you could say you agree then?
[13:20] <Habbie> i seem to have lost all interest in this line of questioning :)
[13:21] <[Saint]> People often do when direct contradictions in statements are pointed out. ;)
[13:21] <Habbie> sigh
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[13:22] <[Saint]> O_°
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[13:24] <[Saint]> I was just playing. But in all seriousness, I have no idea how anyone who has access to a vaguely modern desktop/laptop can stomach a full DE on a raspi
[13:25] <[Saint]> Let alone adding a very hungry browser to the mix.
[13:25] <Armand> Never used a DE on the Pi.
[13:27] <[Saint]> Its orders of magnitude better on a pi 2.
[13:27] <[Saint]> But still largely unusable by modern standards.
[13:27] <[Saint]> YMMV
[13:28] <[Saint]> Well, I mean...it works.
[13:28] <[Saint]> So it /is/ usable.
[13:28] <Armand> I run Kali on the ODroid U3 and that's very usable.. but that's a big step up from a Model B.
[13:28] <[Saint]> Indeed so.
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[13:29] <Gadgetoid_> Running a single app is tolerable, but any more and it gets painful quickly
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[13:29] <Gadgetoid_> Something like PropellerIDE and a terminal window is fine
[13:30] <[Saint]> I've been known to use lynx in screen on them occasionally.
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[13:30] <[Saint]> But most of my systems default to a CLI only session anyway.
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[14:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/
[14:18] <Lausi> What's up with the Xenon flash bug on the new RPi? Like, is there a particular component that is causing it`
[14:18] <Lausi> ?*
[14:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> try reading
[14:19] <ozzzy> they covered one chip with bluetack that cured it
[14:19] <ozzzy> not that it'll be a problem anywhere
[14:19] <Lausi> But, what if I want to use it as a controller for my strobe? /s
[14:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> blu tak will fix it
[14:20] <ozzzy> put it in a box
[14:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> or turn it over
[14:20] <MarkSX> or a million other things to make it a non issue
[14:21] <Lausi> True. ^^
[14:21] <ozzzy> if you really want people to see it put a smiley-face sticker on the chip
[14:22] <Lausi> I'm going to pick mine up later today. Kinda stocked.
[14:22] <ozzzy> yeah... the two I ordered should be delivered today
[14:22] <ozzzy> the cases and power supplies will be a few weeks
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[14:22] <Lausi> What are you going to use yours for?
[14:22] <ozzzy> no idea
[14:23] <Lausi> Haha
[14:23] <MarkSX> I am amazed at how well stocked Australian distributors were
[14:23] <ozzzy> my biz partner said 'get a couple' so I got a couple
[14:23] <Lausi> I mean, at that price, why not?
[14:23] <ozzzy> we'll probably just piddle around with them til Win10 ships... then see what they can do
[14:24] <Lausi> I'm kind of curious for how will it'll run Win10.
[14:24] <Lausi> well*
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[14:25] <MarkSX> I think people are under the impression its windows 10 desktop
[14:25] <ozzzy> we'll see
[14:25] <Lausi> I doubt it is.
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[14:25] <MarkSX> i think M$ are jumping on the bandwagon a little too late
[14:25] <ozzzy> depends what they're offering
[14:26] <Lausi> But, Internet of Things!
[14:26] <ozzzy> didn't Cisco coin that
[14:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's not a desktop
[14:26] <ozzzy> or was that Internet of Everything
[14:27] <MarkSX> IOT must mean its going to be amazing
[14:27] <ozzzy> we'll see
[14:27] <Lausi> ozzzy: I think Cisco had the Internet of Everything
[14:27] <MarkSX> Meh, Just waiting for Rasplex then ill be done haha
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[14:28] <Lausi> At the moment, I have mine marked for running a Mumble server. That's sort of the only thing I've been able to come up with thus far.
[14:28] <MarkSX> I ordered one and then 2 days after it arrived I thought I better order another one for the other tele but I thought itll take a few weeks. 14 hours later. Boom there it is
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[14:29] <Lausi> Yeah, my experience was the same. I was expecting there to be a couple of weeks wait. But mine came over night.
[14:30] <ozzzy> I wrote some little utilities to run cameras, focusers etc for the telescope... but the pi was overkill and was replaced by an arduino
[14:30] <Lausi> University has ruined Arduino for me :(
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[14:31] <ozzzy> I have three boxen on my telescope mount with arduinos in them
[14:31] <ozzzy> one controls the focus motor
[14:32] <ozzzy> one handles anti-dew heat, power supply, temp/rh monitoring etc.
[14:32] <ozzzy> and the other, which did guiding, will be retired
[14:32] <Lausi> Cool. Did you program it with the Arduino IDE?
[14:32] <ozzzy> yep
[14:32] <Lausi> Yeah, the IDE is the easiest way to use Arduinos.
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[14:47] <Lartza> Am I correct that if the ethernet is not USB has access to more bandwidth?
[14:47] <Lartza> *not used
[14:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> not especially
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[14:48] <Lartza> So using a WiFi dangle will reduce overall USB throughput?
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[14:49] <Lartza> *dongle
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[14:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> ethernet is more efficent than wi-fi [IMO] - typing will also reduce the USB thoughput - but what device are you expecting to flood the USB to the max?
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[14:53] <Lartza> I have a USB stick and a media keyboard currently
[14:54] <Lartza> Wondering if adding WiFi to that and removing ethernet will reduce network or stick speeds
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[14:54] <Lartza> Not accounting to WiFi vs ethernet speed purely rpi hw limitations
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[14:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> well - ethernet is pretty much easy to get max speed - wi-fi is pretty much gureented not to get anywhere near max speed - YMMV
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[15:15] <Lartza> Ended up just getting an SD card, thanks for the pointers
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[15:42] <Hix> unbelievable! RS finally admit they lost my 2 x Pi2 package from 02/02/15 and have offered to replace - for 03/03/15 Grrrrrr!
[15:46] <mpmc> Hix: Wow that is bad!
[15:47] <Hix> anyone know somewhere decent to get hold of them in the UK. Looking at CPC, anywhere else recommended?
[15:47] <mpmc> Amazon? :p
[15:48] <mpmc> O.O £36 on Amazon, wow..
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[15:50] <Hix> hmm �29.95 with a case on Amazon... http://goo.gl/Asz97R but is it actually Rev 2?
[15:51] <Hix> Nope its a MkI board
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[15:51] <kushal> Will the old versions of rasbian work with RPI2?
[15:52] <Hix> beleive you need to update
[15:52] <Hix> Though not having received anything yet, cannot confirm :)
[15:52] <kushal> Hix, ah, good, I am downloading, got scared for a moment
[15:53] <kushal> Hix, I have received 2 copies today morning, none of them showing anything other than that rainbow bootup screen.
[15:53] <kushal> I was using 2014-09-09-wheezy-raspbian.img
[15:54] <Hix> Whoaaaaa. Someone taking the p155 on amazon �123.50 PLUS delivery http://goo.gl/9Vnls7
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[16:00] <mpmc> Hix: You do get the heat sink, must be made of gold..
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[16:00] <Hix> oh, yeah. My bad :)
[16:01] <vegetablesalad19> hello, when I set gpio pin to low does it switch to ground (with some internal resistance) or just turns off ?
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[16:06] <Hix> Well, let's see how CPC fare with this one. Will I have a Pi2 tomorrow?....... tbc
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[16:08] <VRocker> hi all :)
[16:10] <VRocker> i'm having a fun issue with my pi2 atm... trying to compile my own kernel to boot a buildroot-based system but it wont boot. I've tried a kernel conf from openelec but having no luck. Does it need to be compiled with a specific version of gcc or something to be able to boot?
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[16:10] <VRocker> currently i'm using gcc 4.9 but the pi just sits on the coloured square after the green light flashes
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[16:16] <woodyj21> vegetablesalad19: www.ruggedcircuits.com/10-ways-to-destroy-an-arduino
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[16:17] <vegetablesalad19> woodyj21,sorry don't see how it's related to my question.
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[16:22] <woodyj21> example #2
[16:23] <woodyj21> when you set an output to LOW, it's effectiely ground. Input pins are different, they can be tri-stated
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[16:24] <vegetablesalad19> woodyj21, thank you, this is exactly what I asked for :)
[16:24] <woodyj21> no prob bro!
[16:25] <vegetablesalad19> woodyj21, goog thing that i read this warning. I was under the impression that GPIO on LOW have internal resistance and would be safe to connect directly to HIGH
[16:26] <ali1234> they have internal pull resistors
[16:26] <ali1234> that isn't the same thing
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[16:28] <vegetablesalad19> cool, so basically I have bunch of unnecessary transistors in my project. For some reason I thought that LOW is essentially turned off
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[16:29] <vegetablesalad19> so I have 3 states to work from, OFF,HIGH,LOW
[16:29] <woodyj21> vegetablesalad19: the datasheet for the ATMEGA 328 is what you are after. It has all the details on how the IO works for the chip
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[16:29] <woodyj21> it's a goldmine for any serious digging w/ Arduino
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[16:30] <vegetablesalad19> thanks, will definitely look into that
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[16:34] <woodyj21> vegetablesalad19: you might be able to use tri-stating to make them "off". it would be a bit dangerous for the chip, but you could:
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[16:36] <woodyj21> if you set pin as input with the pullup engaged, that might do the trick. it would read high, but only weakly. others can prob explain it better
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[16:43] <woodyj21> oops, i thought I was in #arduino.... this is pi
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[16:49] <Hix> anyone know of a source of self-adhesive standoffs for the �2.5mm mounting holes on the Pi PCB? Want to mount to a casing neatly, but could only find �4mm standoffs. These bad-boys http://goo.gl/ICKVtL
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[16:51] <PovAddict> what's the best place to buy a Pi in the UK?
[16:52] <PovAddict> shipping things to Argentina is increasingly hard (I heard you have to *go get it from customs yourself*), but my dad is flying to London soon
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[16:58] <Hix> Not RS ;) http://goo.gl/9EjmmN CPC - I've ordered 2 today, hopefully here tomorrow
[17:00] <PovAddict> why not RS?
[17:01] <Hix> Ordered 2 on 02/02/15 and was informed today they had lost my package but could replace them 03/03/15..... A good enough reason for me.
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[17:01] <PovAddict> wtf
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[17:01] <Hix> They also failed to even dispatch 2 cases even though they had them in stock too
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[17:02] <Hix> Had a number of bad experiences with them, this is the straw that broke the camel's back
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[17:02] <PovAddict> my first pi was a kit from canakit, ordered via amazon
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[17:03] <VRocker> RS are backlogged from what i hear
[17:03] <VRocker> i got mine from the pi hut, came next day
[17:03] <Hix> Pi Hut o.o.s atm
[17:03] <Hix> for model 2
[17:04] <VRocker> ah :(
[17:04] <VRocker> not surprised tbh, the pi2 is awesome
[17:04] <VRocker> ...if only i could get it to boot with my own kernel :(
[17:05] <Lobosque> guys.. I need something that I think it's really simple but I don't know the name. Is there any chip in the market with N inputs (in1... inN) and 2^N outputs (out1... outN), the output sends a signal based in the sum of the input. eg if in2 and in3 are on, out6 will be on (2^1 + 2^2 = 6)
[17:05] <Hix> am I right that the of 2 partitions on the uSD I can do a dd of the non boot partition to an img file and then clone it to differrent cards to save network setup vnc, rdp, vlc installation etc?
[17:06] <pksato> Lobosque: no, but have binary demuxer.
[17:07] <pksato> like 74HCT138
[17:07] <Hix> or just clone the whole card i.e dd if=/dev/sda of=~/Pi/Image.img
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[17:07] <pksato> 74HCT154
[17:07] <leio> always fun to clone things very slowly by copying gigabytes of unused data
[17:07] <VRocker> in theory just cloning the data partition should work Hix, since most OS' just keep their kernel and firmware on the first partition
[17:07] <leio> writing*
[17:08] <VRocker> so should be fine
[17:08] <diffra> Hix, if your home directory is on the SD card, you'll create an infinite loop there.
[17:08] <Lobosque> pksato I will take a look into that, thanks.
[17:08] <diffra> You'll want to do that to an external drive of some kind, and also probably shut down anything that might make writes to the SD card while you're backing it up
[17:08] <pksato> and cmos 4051, 4052, 4052
[17:08] <Hix> I was thinking it would be the quickest option VRocker
[17:08] <pksato> 4-53
[17:08] <pksato> 4053
[17:09] <Hix> diffra I was referring to the card in laptop
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[17:09] <diffra> Hix, gotcha
[17:09] <diffra> No problem then
[17:09] <Hix> :D
[17:09] <Hix> can see it being a bit awkward on the pi :)
[17:09] <pksato> 4028
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[17:10] <diffra> Not so bad actually - I run a weekly backup to an HDD in such a way, have a script that shuts down all the services, then gzips the image and starts everything back up.
[17:10] <Hix> has anyone bought anything similar to http://goo.gl/ICKVtL that fits the 2.5mm Pi mounting holes
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[17:12] <PovAddict> what is U2 in the pi PCB? the USB controller?
[17:13] <oldtopman> PovAddict: Why do you ask?
[17:13] <PovAddict> curiosity, it's the second biggest chip
[17:14] <pksato> if is sms lan is a usb hub+ethernet
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[17:16] <Hix> All I can find is 4mm pcb hole mounts. Annoyingly it seems to be the accepted norm. Not 2.5mm
[17:16] <pksato> smsc lan9514
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[17:18] <ali1234> is there a way to control the filtering / scaling of dispmanx?
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[17:25] <VRocker> bleh has anyone here got buildroot to work on a pi2?
[17:26] <VRocker> this is making me rage
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[17:26] <VRocker> works fine on a pi b and b+, 2 wont even attempt to boot it though even though the options look fine
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[17:29] <Hix> oh, don't tell me this VRocker I was planning to use buildroot, when I eventually get a 2
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[17:30] <VRocker> i've probably just missed something simple
[17:30] <VRocker> but i thought it should be a case of changing everything from compiling for armv6 to the cortex-a7
[17:30] <VRocker> apparently not
[17:31] <VRocker> pi sits there, loads the firmware, tries to read the kernel (tried both kernel.img and kernel7.img), light flashes and then nothing
[17:31] <Hix> guess that's me screwed then. I was out of my depth hoping to get it to work, just by winging it.
[17:32] <Hix> the run header by the display header, that's ahard reset yes? So if I have a button which triggers a sudo halt, then a button on this would act as a power up again no?
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[17:33] <syntax_erorr> I am trying to get zoneminder working with the raspberry pi camera module. I have followed the instructions at http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Compatibility_List#Raspberry_Pi How ever I have no video to see when I try and view that camera in zoneminder. Does anyone have any ideas on what I need to do?
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[17:34] <VRocker> i do remember hearing of a header to short to reboot when halted so that's probably it
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[17:34] <VRocker> although i also remember reading that the latest firmware adds the ability to short 2 of the gpio pins (3rd or 4th down) which can also reboot
[17:35] <Hix> cool - I'm aiming to seal it all up so if I can have 2 ip67 rated buttons to halt and reset that'd be good
[17:36] <VRocker> ah yes, seems the ones labelled 'Run' on the B+ is the same as the P6 header on the B, so a reset button will work :)
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[17:39] <ali1234> clever: it works! the problem wasn't my fifio, and it was tearing either.
[17:39] <ali1234> the problem was that dispmanx hardware scaler will introduce blurring even if you scale exactly 2x
[17:39] <ali1234> so lines were getting blurred together. this seems unavoidable so i have to double up the texture manually
[17:40] <ali1234> (because there is no way to tell which field is being displayed)
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[17:46] <Lobosque> pksato: took a look at the 74HCT138 demux. didn't quite get the Enable thing. do you mind explaining me a little bit?
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[17:48] <ali1234> Lobosque: did you read the datasheet?
[17:48] <pksato> 138 have 3 binary input and 7 low ative output. enable activate these output, or address chip.
[17:49] <ali1234> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HC_HCT138.pdf
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[17:49] <ali1234> there is a full truth table on page 4
[17:50] <Lobosque> speaking of practical use
[17:50] <Lobosque> why three enable gates instead just one?
[17:50] <ali1234> it's for connecting many of them up in a row
[17:51] <Lobosque> ahh I see
[17:52] <pksato> this chip are used as address decoder on ISA bus.
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[17:58] <pksato> isa was easy to interface http://linuxgazette.net/124/dutta.html , modern bus need a powerfull uC/asic/fpga/etc.
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[18:02] <sliddjur> Hi. I want to install an usb ethernet dongle. i only have terminal access. how can I check if its working etc? :)
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[18:02] <sliddjur> I mean I can plug it in physically. But then I only have cli
[18:03] <IT_Sean> ifconfig -a
[18:03] <pksato> sliddjur: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[18:03] <pksato> and plug
[18:03] <IT_Sean> does it show up?
[18:03] <IT_Sean> or what pksato said.
[18:03] <sliddjur> ill try :)
[18:03] <pksato> or, after plug, lsusb
[18:04] <IT_Sean> or that too.
[18:04] <pksato> probable, get eth1 id.
[18:04] <pksato> configure on /etc/network/interfaces (just copy eth0 lines and replace by eth1)
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[18:05] <pksato> andm change ip, if is static
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[18:07] <pksato> and, some usb ethernet not work on stock kernel. need a extra kernel module.
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[18:10] <sliddjur> http://pastebin.com/ksewcSLk <- lsusb command not found
[18:10] <sliddjur> no new network interfaces in file either, pksato
[18:10] <PovAddict> lsusb is in the usbutils package
[18:11] <pksato> sliddjur: that OS?
[18:12] <pksato> ifconfig -a or tail -f /var/log/syslog must show some info.
[18:12] <PovAddict> I have no physical access to my router, I just connected my raspberry pi to my laptop with a direct ethernet cable, how do I set up the /etc/network/interfaces so I can at least ssh in?
[18:12] <sliddjur> pksato: "Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)"
[18:12] <PovAddict> normally I'd use avahi-autoipd for IPv4LL but I can't install the package until I have real networking
[18:13] <pksato> ah
[18:13] <pksato> sudo lsub
[18:13] <pksato> sudo lsusb
[18:13] <PovAddict> lsusb works for me without root
[18:13] <sliddjur> pksato: pi# sudo lsusb sudo: lsusb: command not found
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[18:13] <PovAddict> you need to install usbutils
[18:14] <sliddjur> pksato: , as you can see in log. i disconnect dongle, and then reconnect it 9 seconds later
[18:15] <sliddjur> PovAddict: yes thanks. now its showing up in lsusb
[18:15] <sliddjur> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0b95:1790 ASIX Electronics Corp.
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[18:16] <clever> ali1234: aha!
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[18:16] <clever> ali1234: i believe this has to do with the overscan settings
[18:16] <PovAddict> looks like enabling ethernet on my laptop made me lose wifi and IRC?!
[18:16] <PovAddict> odd
[18:16] <ali1234> clever: it has nothing at all to do with overscan settings
[18:17] <clever> ali1234: oh yeah, those are only fb0
[18:17] <clever> i have seen that fb0 will give fuzzy text, while dispmanx gives crisp text
[18:17] <ali1234> there is a global option in config.txt which sets the filtering method for *every surface on the system* - which is completely stupid
[18:17] <ali1234> the default is to just use bilinear everywhere
[18:17] <pksato> sliddjur: wait, a red light here...
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[18:21] <ali1234> clever: it's just like the palette thing again where they said "you can only have one palette for the whole screen, surely that's enough right?"
[18:21] <clever> heh
[18:22] <clever> when i was messing around with the page flipping stuff and puts everywhere, it was doing a flip every field
[18:22] <clever> between black and white
[18:22] <clever> so i wound up with stribes
[18:22] <ali1234> stribes?
[18:22] <clever> stripes
[18:22] <clever> still waking up
[18:22] <ali1234> you shouldn't get stripes unless it is tearing?
[18:22] <clever> every even line was white, every odd line was black
[18:23] <leev> what cases do people recommend for the rpi2?
[18:23] <clever> it was flipping the resource between fields
[18:23] <ali1234> yeah you should not see any stripes with that set up
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[18:23] <clever> so each field was a different solid color
[18:23] <ali1234> it should look like solid colour
[18:23] <clever> the interlacing then merged those together, giving stripes
[18:23] <ali1234> flickering at 60Hz
[18:23] <ali1234> oh that's your TV's deinterlacer
[18:23] <pksato> sliddjur: I think, this card not have module on stock kernel, need to download and compile/install http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Ethernet_adapters
[18:23] <clever> yeah
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[18:23] <ali1234> get an analogue CRT :)
[18:24] <clever> its in the other room
[18:24] <clever> and it lacks inputs, need an rf modulator
[18:24] <ali1234> i have a test image with a big "0" and "1" in alternating lines
[18:24] <ali1234> so when viewed as independent fields you can easily see which is which
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[18:25] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/G5apQO4.png
[18:26] <ali1234> i noticed another odd thing too
[18:26] <clever> hmmm, why 8 fields at once?
[18:26] <ali1234> oh it just repeats
[18:26] <ali1234> because i have no vertical hold the image rolls really slowly
[18:26] <clever> but why is the window 4 fields wide?
[18:26] <ali1234> so i draw it 4 times horizontally so that it doesn't matter where it has rolled to
[18:26] <clever> ah
[18:27] <ali1234> so anyway... teletext freq. is 444 x fH
[18:27] <clever> so its all the same image, its not rendering 8 different fields but just 2
[18:27] <ali1234> yeah
[18:27] <ali1234> the pixel valve is 864 pixels horizontal including sync
[18:27] <ali1234> 444 * 720/864 = 370 (exactly)
[18:28] <ali1234> if you take a 370 wide image and skip the first 8 pixels and then draw 360 teletext pixels and then skip the remaining two
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[18:28] <ali1234> the output image is exactly the same size as the actual visible area
[18:28] <ali1234> and it's also exactly the perfect frequency
[18:29] <ali1234> it's almost as if it was set up this way for a reason :)
[18:29] <clever> heh
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[18:29] <clever> just increase the vertical resolution of the systems transmiting the image and they wont have to decode it
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[18:30] <clever> i cant seem to find any specs on the NA CC, it seems to be behind a paywall
[18:30] <ali1234> ive seen an AVR project to generate it
[18:30] <ali1234> with source
[18:30] <clever> that would be enough
[18:31] <ali1234> or wait no, it was arduino
[18:31] <clever> it looks like its only a single scan-line per field, so less to go wrong
[18:31] <ali1234> yeah
[18:31] <ali1234> http://nootropicdesign.com/projectlab/2011/03/20/decoding-closed-captioning/ this actually decodes it
[18:31] <ali1234> has the specs
[18:31] <ali1234> dinner time, bbiab
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[18:32] <clever> either way works, and i should prep my lunch too
[18:32] <clever> yep, the scope trace on that page looks perfect
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[18:33] <clever> wow, 2 bytes per field!!
[18:34] <clever> thats slow :P
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[18:38] <sliddjur> pksato: what does that mean. is it easy to do ?
[18:39] <pksato> sliddjur: if you asking, not is easy.
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[18:49] <PovAddict> I came back from lunch to find this http://imgur.com/GEsWiZ8
[18:49] <PovAddict> rebooting didn't help
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[18:49] <PovAddict> I wonder if it's the raspi or the HDMI-to-VGA adapter I'm using
[18:50] <pksato> external powered hdmi-vga converter?
[18:51] <PovAddict> no, it's not external powered, and I suspect that's why it sometimes takes long to start working
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[18:52] <PovAddict> I just powered off the raspi and connected it again, and the screen went normal
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[19:01] <abnormal> PovAddict, did you get your issues resolved?
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[19:04] <PovAddict_> abnormal: regarding wi-fi? not yet; when I try to enable eth0 on my laptop (connected directly to the raspi) I lose internet :/
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[19:05] <PovAddict_> abnormal: regarding the screen corruption I linked to, I found the cause
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[19:05] <PovAddict_> there's construction work in progress at home, and when they turn on their electrical tools, the mains voltage briefly drops enough to cause problems
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[19:06] <abnormal> ahh. sorry abt that... possibly hook a good battery to pi?
[19:07] <Armand> Yup
[19:07] <abnormal> or is it affecting the router?
[19:07] <PovAddict> it's only affecting the raspi, or the HDMI-VGA adapter I connected to it
[19:07] <PovAddict> I currently have pink text over green-black garbage in the tty
[19:07] <abnormal> ok you have a powered USB hub?
[19:08] <PovAddict> I don't :(
[19:08] <PovAddict> need to buy one, it'd be handy
[19:08] <abnormal> ewww yuk. well most of us use powered USB hubs to eliminate problems...
[19:09] <abnormal> so, yeh, buy one asap.
[19:09] <Armand> I run mine from a solar set up..
[19:09] <abnormal> Belkin is a good one to get.
[19:09] <PovAddict> I have a UPS but it doesn't have a useful connector... I only have my monitor and PC connected to it
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[19:09] <Armand> abnormal: Belkin != good
[19:10] <abnormal> all of my USB hubs are Belkins...
[19:10] <Armand> Not trolling.... But.. They haven't burnt down your house?
[19:10] <Armand> O_o
[19:10] <abnormal> nah
[19:10] <Armand> Belkin is literally the last brand I'd ever advise, unless you need a stop-gap measure.
[19:11] <abnormal> they safely hooked up on power bars and out in open under sincere supervision...
[19:12] <abnormal> so, no, I don't have probs with them
[19:12] <Armand> I build my own power supply (mostly), so I don't have to worry about it.
[19:12] <PovAddict> my UPS has IEC 60320 C13 connectors
[19:12] <PovAddict> can't easily connect a power strip to it
[19:12] <abnormal> I see... is there any outlet ports on it?
[19:12] <Armand> abnormal: Every time I've seen a piece of Belkin tech, it fails hard.. Usually *just* out of warranty.
[19:13] <abnormal> ahh,,, that's convenient
[19:13] <Armand> Awfully so
[19:13] <abnormal> sorry about that... but let's see...
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[19:17] <abnormal> I have 5 of them... I bought 3 of them from a reuse center
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[19:26] <abnormal> ok, PovAddict , are you handy with wires?
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[19:26] <PovAddict> I'm suddenly afraid to say yes
[19:26] <abnormal> lol
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[19:27] <PovAddict> construction guys left, I won't have more screen corruption for a while
[19:28] <abnormal> can you take an unused computer cord and chop off one end and add a female receptacle to it?
[19:28] <abnormal> then plug the power strip to that?
[19:30] <IT_Sean> Um... I would generally advise NOT messing about with mains wiring.
[19:31] <Armand> abnormal: Why not use a 12v DC transformer and an LV regulator to get 5v ?
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[19:32] <ShorTie> thats no fun
[19:32] <abnormal> lol... I get ya, IT_Sean
[19:32] <Armand> ShorTie: Lots of fun. :D
[19:33] <Armand> http://gallery.baked-pi.co.uk/index.php/8157630441_e9beecf3e9_h
[19:33] <ShorTie> i've wired the whole farm from the meter box in
[19:33] <abnormal> good for you
[19:34] <PovAddict> my dad did all the house wiring, he's an electronic engineer
[19:34] <abnormal> me too
[19:35] <abnormal> that's why I suggested the modification
[19:35] <IT_Sean> lemme put it this way: I, personally, do not recommend playing with mains wiring unless you really REALLY know what you are doing. As well, neither #raspberrypi or The Foundation will take any responsiblity if you, following the advice of someone here or otherwise, muck about with mains voltages and hurt yourself, burn your house down, etc....
[19:37] <abnormal> ok, boss, I will shaddup..
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[20:01] <Klowner> probably a simple question but my googling isn't turning up anything useful. With the rpi v2 should I be using fbturbo driver in X? it seems like X is super sluggish
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[20:03] <ssvb> Klowner: sluggish compared to rpi1? or just slower than you would have liked?
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[20:04] <Klowner> seems slower than rpi1, like it's taking about 1 second to open an urxvt window
[20:04] <ssvb> that's something definitely abnormal
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[20:05] <ssvb> fbturbo should work on all arm devices, even though it works best on rpi1 and allwinner
[20:06] <ssvb> many people are using it on exynos and rockchip hardware too
[20:06] <ssvb> Klowner: is this the standard raspbian image?
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[20:07] <Klowner> ssvb: nope, arch. I assume I have the wrong video drivers installed but I can't find any clear documentation on what is preferred
[20:07] <ssvb> Klowner: you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:08] <ssvb> maybe pastebin it somewhere
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[20:11] <g105b> I'm looking for a way to connect two electret microphones directly into the pi's gpio in order to use the pi as a noise cancelling stereo amp, and record directly to a file - is this possible?
[20:11] <Klowner> here's the xorg log http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=czgqRAuv
[20:12] <ozzzy> well... the Pi2 arrived
[20:12] <ali1234> g105b: no, the pi doesn't have any ADC
[20:12] <ali1234> you could connect an ADC chip to a shift register and bit bang it or use the SPI port
[20:13] <ali1234> or just get a one chip ADC
[20:13] <ali1234> serial ADC that is
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[20:13] <ssvb> Klowner: it does not look like anything is particularly wrong there
[20:14] <ali1234> g105b: if you try to do noise cancelling in software you will probably have phase issues
[20:14] <ssvb> Klowner: can you try to run perf to check what is taking time when you try to open an urxvt window?
[20:14] <Klowner> ssvb: hm, must just be sluggish, I'll try stripping down my rxvt eye candies
[20:14] <abnormal> ssvb, huh?
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[20:14] <ssvb> abnormal: ?
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[20:15] <abnormal> your statement earlier?
[20:15] <ssvb> abnormal: please try to ask a real question
[20:16] <abnormal> <ssvb> that's something definitely abnormal
[20:16] <abnormal> what were you talking about?
[20:16] <diffra> Are there any US retailers with the pi 2 presently in stock?
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[20:17] <ssvb> abnormal: I'm talking about "<Klowner> seems slower than rpi1, like it's taking about 1 second to open an urxvt window"
[20:18] <ssvb> Klowner: it could be probably sd card slowness or something else not directly related to graphics
[20:19] <ssvb> Klowner: does it always take 1 second to open or is it faster on the second try (when the data from the sd card is already in cache)?
[20:21] <abnormal> ahh.. sorry
[20:21] <ssvb> ok
[20:21] <Klowner> ssvb: seems slow either way, I'll do some digging.. I wonder if it's my extensive zsh config or something silly
[20:22] <ssvb> Klowner: running the perf tool is not too difficult, and provides a lot of valuable information about where the cpu time is spent
[20:22] <abnormal> some one had a tweek to fix that... have to look it up
[20:22] <Klowner> ssvb: excellent, I'll try perf in a few moments,, I need to get back to work for a bit
[20:22] <g105b> ali1234: I'm a bit of a newbie, but I've been reading about I2S which acts as an ADC, is this true?
[20:23] <ali1234> no
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[20:23] <ali1234> I2S is a digital serial protocol for connected to ADC/DAC (ie: sound card) hardware
[20:23] <ali1234> there are ADC chips which use it, you could use one. there might even be a board that does what you want
[20:24] <ali1234> you could also just use a USB sound card
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[20:26] <JuriadoBalzac> Hi all! I just got myself a fancy new raspi2 but when I hook it up to the screen there is nothing, just black! Am I missing something?
[20:26] <JuriadoBalzac> Is there a secret on-button?
[20:27] <Klowner> JuriadoBalzac: do the little activity lights blink?
[20:27] <JuriadoBalzac> Klowner: They don't blink, they're just lit up
[20:27] <ssvb> JuriadoBalzac: maybe an sd card with an operating system is missing?
[20:27] <Klowner> JuriadoBalzac: did you remember to set the filesystem type on your boot partition to fat32 or whatever?
[20:27] <JuriadoBalzac> I'm using a 2.1A/5v DC USB adapter that worked with the old raspi
[20:28] <JuriadoBalzac> Klowner: Right now I'm just booting it up, vanilla
[20:28] <JuriadoBalzac> No devices what so ever
[20:28] <Gadgetoid> JuriadoBalzac: SD card?
[20:28] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: None
[20:28] <Gadgetoid> JuriadoBalzac: That would be your problem :D
[20:29] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: Isn't there the NOOBS-thing built-in?
[20:29] <IT_Sean> no
[20:29] <IT_Sean> you need an SD card
[20:29] <bhez> that comes from the SD card
[20:29] <IT_Sean> that ^
[20:30] <IT_Sean> the Pi boots off the SD card. No SD card / No boot image = Pi no work.
[20:30] <JuriadoBalzac> Oh, I was under the impression of some build-in OS from the start, then secondary boot off the SD. Amazing news, thank you all so much! :)
[20:30] <Gadgetoid> JuriadoBalzac: see http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ and http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
[20:31] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: Already got an image of Pidora, I'll give it a swirl right away ;)
[20:31] <Gadgetoid> JuriadoBalzac: If you're even slightly advanced in knowledge ( you probably are if you're even here! ) then download and write the Raspbian image rather than NOOBS, it'll save you a whole bunch of disk space
[20:32] <Gadgetoid> JuriadoBalzac: Ah, great :D
[20:32] <Gadgetoid> No idea if Pidora works, haven't tried it yet!
[20:32] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: I've tried it the the old raspi and it was so-so, but since it's what I'm familiar with I think I'll try playing around with it before looking att BSDs
[20:33] <Gadgetoid> Oh looks like Pidora doesn't, and will never work since Fedora has ARMv7 support, so it's more likely a native ARMv7 distribution will turn up
[20:33] <Gadgetoid> That native ARMv7 distribution *could* end up called Pidora, but that would seem at odds with backwards compatibility, at a guess
[20:33] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: Well, at least raspian is linux, so I'll start from there instead ;)
[20:34] <clever> i'm thinking that a normal armv7 debian distro can now be installed, just add a sources.list for the userland stuff in /opt/ and your done
[20:34] <clever> and rpm likely has its own system for that
[20:34] <Gadgetoid> clever: that's one of those things I'd love to give a try
[20:34] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: It's just that I like RHEL, I've used it since the 90s, I work with it every day. Feels like home, you know.
[20:35] <Gadgetoid> Would still need a /boot/ partition though, and the requisite shunting of the kernel there, plus whatever RPi specific tweaks/modules/etc it might need
[20:35] <clever> Gadgetoid: from what ive seen so far, the kernel7.img, modules, and a totaly unmodified armv7 linux os (any) should boot and get you a console
[20:35] <clever> and working fb0
[20:35] <Gadgetoid> JuriadoBalzac: Yeah, I know how painful it can be to use an alien linux distro... typing *all* the package manager names
[20:35] <Gadgetoid> clever: Nice!
[20:35] <Gadgetoid> I've been far too busy trying to fix our products on Raspbian to look at anything else, but the potential is pretty exciting
[20:36] <clever> Gadgetoid: if you dont want the extra stuff (dispmanx, omx, 3d) you can just stop there
[20:36] <clever> though i dont have a pi2 to confirm things on yet
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[20:37] <Gadgetoid> Haha, perks of the job, I got mine before anyone even knew they existed :D
[20:37] <clever> heh
[20:37] <clever> also, depending on how the device-tree stuff goes
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[20:37] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: Well, I bought this raspi2 to have fun and look into clustering possibilities, so what the hell ;)
[20:38] <clever> Gadgetoid: you could possibly build an armv7 smp kernel which has all of the pi drivers, AND drivers for a different board (beagle bone for example)
[20:38] <clever> and then device-tree will select the right modules at boot time
[20:38] <Gadgetoid> Ahh, device-tree, the cause of and solution to all my problems right now
[20:38] <clever> but the rpi and bb linux's would have to first be merged
[20:38] <clever> and that assumes bb supports device-tree
[20:38] <Gadgetoid> Yeah it does
[20:39] <clever> in theory, that would give you 1 kernel and 1 userland that just works, on both
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[20:39] <clever> only loss is a larger kernel image, some boot-time things cant be a module, and you have to include each chips version of them
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[20:40] <clever> like the fb0 and usb drivers for the pi
[20:40] <clever> and mmc interfce
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[20:41] <clever> though i can see fb0 maybe working as a module, at the cost of debug output when booting
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[20:42] <Gadgetoid> Would be an interesting setup if it were wildly cross-platform, a linux4sbcs sort of thing
[20:42] <clever> yeah
[20:42] <clever> similar to what all the x86 distros are doing with their kernels
[20:42] <clever> 1 extremely stripped down kernel, with every module enabled
[20:42] <Gadgetoid> With stuff like the Arduino Tre, the UDOO, Odroid C1, Nana, etc
[20:43] <clever> and then pack all the boot-time stuff into the initrd
[20:43] <clever> i have played with u-boot on the pi as well, it was far from stable
[20:43] <clever> as best as i can tell, the tftp transfer would cut out mid way, then it would blindly run half a kernel, lol
[20:44] <ali1234> clever: you might find my uboot initial atags patch helpful
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[20:45] <ali1234> it allows chainloading an appended kernel through uboot without messing with any of the environment
[20:45] <clever> i was using that back when i was doing razdroid, and the full size SD cards are still an issue
[20:45] <ali1234> it's good for inserting between a known proprietary bootloader and the matching kernel
[20:45] <clever> ive never had the SD card socket break
[20:45] <clever> but ive had 2 or 3 SD cards fall appart
[20:46] <clever> the corners of the plastic just snap off
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[20:46] <abnormal> oh? why?\
[20:47] <clever> just the strain of the socket, only supporting the card by a very small piece of the edge
[20:47] <clever> all of the force of the spring loaded pins
[20:47] <ali1234> they are not designed to be inserted and removed constantly
[20:47] <clever> thats why i was trying to use u-boot to network it
[20:48] <clever> so it just loads the build right off the build server, every time
[20:48] <abnormal> I insert once and leave it alone forever
[20:48] <clever> abnormal: not exactly an option when doing kernel development
[20:48] <clever> one mistake and it stops booting
[20:48] <clever> then you have no choice
[20:48] <ozzzy> well... the pi2 is much zippier than the pi1
[20:48] <ozzzy> er... B
[20:48] <ozzzy> LOL
[20:49] <H__> i'm still on piB
[20:49] <clever> i'm still using a rev2 b
[20:49] <ozzzy> howdy H__
[20:50] <abnormal> heh, I never had one problem with booting... got 5 pi's now for over 2 yrs and never had problems.. I always upgrade and update when releases are available
[20:50] <ozzzy> I had a bitch of a time getting it on the lan... had to resort to WPS
[20:50] <abnormal> really? different chipset?
[20:51] <clever> abnormal: my booting problems are usualy my own fault, mistakes in the code i added to the kernel
[20:51] <ozzzy> LOL... just took a pic of it... the flash killed it
[20:52] <clever> ozzzy: old news, get some blu-tack
[20:52] <ozzzy> clever, yep... I know, I forgot that they're flash sensitive
[20:52] <abnormal> I see... so you are a developer?
[20:52] <clever> abnormal: yeah, is your pi on right now?
[20:52] <abnormal> yeh
[20:52] <ozzzy> well... it's on the lan now so that's fine
[20:52] <clever> abnormal: do 'modinfo lirc_rpi'
[20:53] <abnormal> it's working good.. only thing slowing it down is clamav
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[20:53] <abnormal> ok min...
[20:55] <abnormal> ok, done
[20:55] <clever> look at the names in the output
[20:57] <abnormal> I don't get it.. I'm not guru in this stuff
[20:57] <clever> my name should be in the output
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[20:58] <abnormal> I see your name and someone elses...
[20:58] <clever> yep, i helped somebody else finish the driver
[20:58] <PovAddict> augh
[20:58] <H__> cool, a piece of clever in my pi
[20:59] <clever> in every pi!
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[20:59] <H__> have not verified that yet. LOL
[20:59] <PovAddict> I ran "apt-get install --print-uris wireless-tools wpasupplicant" on the pi, then downloaded those packages from the computer, but some of the URLs give 404 because the pi has old package lists
[20:59] <clever> i also did some work on a from scratch 3d driver, full desktop opengl in SDL (not the subset in egl)
[20:59] <clever> but it was never finished
[20:59] <abnormal> what does it do?
[20:59] <PovAddict> this is such a pain, I think I'll load raspbian again until minibian gets wi-fi support out of the box
[21:00] <clever> abnormal: the 3d or lirc one?
[21:00] <clever> PovAddict: paste the url's that 404 here
[21:00] <JuriadoBalzac> It's alive! :D
[21:00] <PovAddict> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/d/dbus/dbus_1.6.8-1+deb7u4_armhf.deb
[21:00] <abnormal> lirc one
[21:00] <clever> PovAddict: if i open http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/d/dbus i can see a file listing
[21:00] <PovAddict> hmm true
[21:00] <clever> PovAddict: grab a semi-random recent version, and then use dpkg to manualy install it
[21:00] <clever> bypass apt
[21:01] <PovAddict> yeah good idea
[21:01] <clever> abnormal: lirc is for things like tv remotes
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[21:01] <clever> abnormal: the pi can both receive codes, and send them
[21:01] <JuriadoBalzac> Gadgetoid: thanks for the help there!
[21:01] <PovAddict> I wonder if I can control my air conditioner with lirc
[21:01] <clever> so you could use a programable remote to control the pi, and the pi could auto-change channels on your tv
[21:01] <abnormal> ahh freaking cool....
[21:01] <Gadgetoid> JuriadoBalzac: No problem!
[21:02] <clever> PovAddict: you probably can, but you may need the receiver to record the remote first
[21:02] <PovAddict> I have seen rev-engineering work for a different remote model of the same brand
[21:02] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10266
[21:02] <PovAddict> I guess the carrier freq etc. are the same
[21:03] <clever> pop this on the pi, 3.3v gnd, and a GPIO
[21:03] <PovAddict> hmm
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[21:03] <clever> and then you can record any remote signal with lirc
[21:03] <PovAddict> I think I have one of those already, let me check
[21:03] <peeps[work]> can rpi support webgl
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[21:04] <clever> PovAddict: pop an IR led with current limiting resistor on another GPIO, and you can then replay any ir code you recorded or downloaded
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[21:04] <PovAddict> hmm the one I have only has two legs, does that make sense?
[21:04] <clever> and if you want more range, use a transistor and 5v, so the GPIO switches the 5v on/off and gives you the full current capacity of the 5v rail (set the current limiting resistor to match the led specs)
[21:04] <clever> nope, thats something different
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[21:05] <PovAddict> ah seems this is just a photodiode, while what you linked includes an amp and stuff
[21:05] <clever> exactly
[21:05] <clever> the module i linked will lock onto the 40khz carrier, and just output on/off, to indicate the presence/lack of carrier
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[21:06] <clever> the photodiode gives the bare 40khz signal, with no preamp, just opening the drapes and letting sunlight in is enough to blind the thing
[21:06] <clever> ive tried to use it, lol
[21:07] <clever> manual gain just wont work
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[21:08] <clever> from what i can remember, the kernel driver will accept on/off lenghts, for each pulse, and it will advertise itself as /dev/lirc0
[21:09] <clever> lircd will then run in userland, load the remote definitions, and advertise a better protocol over a unix socket at /dev/lircd
[21:10] <PovAddict> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/24870
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[21:11] <clever> PovAddict: the lirc config files are flexible enough to handle that
[21:11] <clever> let me grab an example
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[21:12] <clever> PovAddict: http://sourceforge.net/p/lirc-remotes/code/ci/master/tree/remotes/cox/DCT2224.lircd.conf
[21:12] <clever> brb
[21:12] <abnormal> is that called example.com?
[21:12] <newke> hello. im waiting for my first single board computer - raspberry pi 2. i wonder will ill be able to run on it opencloud + openvpn + openssh services?
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[21:13] <clever> newke: i have used openvpn and ssh without issue, opencloud likely will also work just fine
[21:14] <newke> simultaniously?
[21:14] <clever> if it can run all 3 on a desktop, then it can run all 3 on a pi
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[21:15] <newke> hmm...
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[21:15] <JuriadoBalzac> clever: openvpn is happy on ARM?
[21:15] <clever> JuriadoBalzac: i have linked the pi into my VPN once before, with the old rev1b
[21:16] <niston> clever: as long as none of them mess around with the default route
[21:16] <clever> main issue is the brain-dead router, it cant port-forward traffic from inside the LAN
[21:16] <clever> so i have to use the private lan ip
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[21:16] <JuriadoBalzac> clever: I was thinking of doing the opposite. Right now I've got two Intel Atoms running Linux for VPN, might as well switch them for raspies
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[21:17] <clever> niston: default route is an option in openvpn, i have used it to force all traffic thru the vpn before, to turn it into a proxy
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[21:17] <clever> but i can see how that would also mess with the other stuff, depends on what you want
[21:18] <niston> yup that's what I meant.
[21:18] <clever> in some cases, you may want ssh only over the vpn
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[21:19] <clever> lately, ive been wanting to look into a more p2p vpn, openvpn creates a bandwidth bottleneck
[21:19] <clever> you know of any programs that do that?
[21:20] <niston> freelan?
[21:22] <clever> nice, looks perfect
[21:22] <niston> :)
[21:22] <clever> likely much simpler then ipsec
[21:22] <clever> and the docs have a sense of humor! :D
[21:23] <clever> They would like to establish a VPN tunnel between their computers to exchange securely pictures of lolcats.
[21:23] <niston> haha xD IPSEC is a beast
[21:23] <clever> http://www.lolcats.com/
[21:23] <niston> damn. I woke up, now have a spliter in my left foot -.-
[21:24] <niston> no clue on how or when it got there
[21:24] <clever> i managed to get a shard of glass in my foot
[21:24] <IT_Sean> Well done.
[21:24] <clever> a week after a broke a bowl, in a totally different floor&room
[21:24] <IT_Sean> That's pretty specialist.
[21:24] <niston> heh
[21:24] <clever> the shard managed to climb the stairs and travel half way across the house
[21:24] <IT_Sean> They do that.
[21:25] <niston> the shard thing, I had that three weeks ago - also left foot.
[21:25] <niston> almost cut the big toe in half :(
[21:25] <IT_Sean> EW.
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[21:26] <clever> this was more of a splinter, barely visible
[21:26] <niston> room looked like someone slaughtered a pig or something
[21:26] <clever> but i have stepped on a laptop piece years ago, it cut a perfect slot into my heel
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[21:27] <saq> hello everyone, i have a B+ right now and a pi2 on the way, has anyone had any positive experience with any usb 802.11ac adapters?
[21:27] <patchie> hi, i just bought a screen for my raspberry pi from dx.com. http://www.dx.com/p/chuangzhuo-rpi-tft-lcd-adapter-plate-2-4-tft-lcd-screen-touch-sensor-module-for-raspberry-pi-285311#.VNeyNkfF_To
[21:28] <saq> ive been messing with this asus usb-ac51 with nothing but grief
[21:28] <patchie> this is all documentation and code that follows: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wkzzlsfanf5tq5c/AAANPs2UQXAQLCPtHrU77_s1a?dl=0
[21:28] <saq> on my B+
[21:28] <patchie> In the last page of the user manual it says this: "Enter RPLCD directory through Raspbery Pi Terminal, and type make Demand, then this file would emrge the lcdemo excutable file. Type ./lcdemo, you would run this excutable file."
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[21:28] <patchie> Does anyone know where the RPLCD directory is? or what this is?
[21:28] <PovAddict> patchie: presumably part of a download related to that part
[21:29] <PovAddict> hopefully not something in that SFInstaller .exe?!
[21:29] <patchie> i cant find anything that says RPLCD
[21:29] <IT_Sean> patchie: it is likely a directory created in an earlier step, to which you may have donwloaded files to.
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[21:29] <patchie> nope
[21:29] <patchie> i wish.. :P
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[21:29] <IT_Sean> then you may have missed a step somewhere.
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[21:29] <patchie> nope
[21:30] <IT_Sean> well, there is no "RPLCD" directoy unless you created one.
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[21:30] <patchie> you can see the tutorial in the dropbox link
[21:30] <PovAddict> see step 1.2
[21:30] <PovAddict> "Transfer PRLCD code to the Raspberry Pi..:"
[21:30] <PovAddict> ah there it is
[21:30] <PovAddict> patchie: in the link you posted, above the diagrams
[21:30] <niston> https://github.com/dbrgn/RPLCD
[21:30] <PovAddict> "RPI_TFT_2.4LCD_CODE"
[21:30] <patchie> 2 sec
[21:30] <niston> might be this one
[21:31] <PovAddict> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wkzzlsfanf5tq5c/AACTnjEXfXQKlRFfqEtQ-HI-a/RPI_TFT_2.4LCD_CODE?dl=0
[21:31] <patchie> yeah..i copyed over that code...is that supposed to be the RPLCD directory?
[21:31] <PovAddict> yes
[21:31] <PovAddict> it has a Makefile, so that's the directory where you run make
[21:31] <patchie> then i should do "make Demand"?
[21:31] <clever> niston: just for fun, i'm creating an ebuild this time,
[21:31] <PovAddict> yes
[21:32] <clever> and it defaulted to the windows build script, hmmm
[21:32] <patchie> pi@raspberrypi ~/skjerm $ sudo make Demand
[21:32] <patchie> make: *** No rule to make target 'Demand'. Stop.
[21:32] <clever> patchie: what does ls show?
[21:33] <patchie> lcd.c lcddemo.c lcd.h Makefile SFont.c SFont.h
[21:33] <PovAddict> pff
[21:33] <PovAddict> you need 'make', not 'make Demand', the instructions are wrong
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[21:33] <PovAddict> I just looked at the makefile
[21:33] <patchie> http://pastebin.com/SBWQFfje
[21:34] <clever> i dont even see a makefile on the github page
[21:34] <clever> patchie: also, you dont need sudo when running make
[21:34] <clever> 'sudo make' will just make a mess of things
[21:34] <PovAddict> clever: different RPLCD it seems
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[21:35] <niston> yeah
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[21:35] <patchie> the same when doing just make
[21:35] <niston> quite common for China Inc.
[21:35] <patchie> without sudo
[21:35] <clever> patchie: thats because the error has nothing to do with root
[21:35] <niston> obscure drivers on outdated links, or literally broken driver discs in the mail.
[21:35] <clever> your missing a define somewhere
[21:36] <patchie> aha
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[21:39] <patchie> :( what should i do then? :/
[21:39] <clever> find out what defines that missing keyword
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[21:39] <patchie> not quite sure what that means
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[21:40] <clever> patchie: you need to figure out what PREC_LOW should be set to, or find something that sets it
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[21:44] <mave_> anyone have an idea yet why my pi screen blanks after a while of inactivity? Raspbian, Openelec, they all do it. Pressing a key on a keyboard activates it again, but i have no keyboard attached to my rpi2 running Openelec.
[21:44] <saq> xbmc/kodi on it? sounds like the default screensaver behavior
[21:45] <mave_> Raspbian does the same
[21:45] <clever> mine does it even without X running
[21:45] <mave_> exactly
[21:45] <clever> i believe its kernel level, framebuffer power save options
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[21:45] <mave_> the only way to activate it again is by switching HDMI input several times
[21:45] <clever> dispmanx still works
[21:45] <niston> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=18200
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[21:49] <mave_> hmm, that could help
[21:50] <mave_> weird that there are several solutions
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[21:50] <niston> theres more http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/3713/stopping-raspberry-pi-display-sleep
[21:50] <mave_> i guess openelec run lightdm, so i'll look into that solution
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[21:50] <mave_> ah
[21:51] <mave_> let's see
[21:51] <niston> I think I used the consoleblank=0 kernel command line
[21:51] <mave_> yeah, but does that apply to X too?
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[21:51] <niston> nope thats for console, for X see the earlier forum thread
[21:52] <mave_> thx for the help, i'm going to try some options
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[21:54] <patchie> clever: hmm..ok, thanks for your help
[21:54] <clever> niston: ImportError: cannot import name check_output:
[21:54] <clever> niston: freelan is fighting back
[21:54] <niston> heh
[21:55] <clever> i have confirmed that check_output exists in subprocess
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[21:56] <clever> 31838 open("/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/SCons/compat/_scons_subprocess.py", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 5
[21:57] <clever> hmmm, what the....
[21:57] <clever> scons overrode the load order, and jamed in an older subprocess.py
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[22:05] <abnormal> anyone in here in spotchat?
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[22:18] <abnormal> clever, you still there?
[22:19] <clever> abnormal: yep
[22:19] <abnormal> are you in spotchat?
[22:19] <clever> nope
[22:19] <clever> i 'fixed' my python issue, just replaced all sub-process calls with the string they where expecting, lol
[22:19] <abnormal> I can't access it.. did that command you gave me mess it up?
[22:20] <clever> modinfo doesnt change anything
[22:20] <clever> what error does it give?
[22:20] <abnormal> ok ty
[22:20] <abnormal> not able to connect
[22:20] <clever> it should say more
[22:20] <clever> refused, timed out?
[22:21] <abnormal> times out
[22:21] <clever> does it give an addr&port?
[22:21] <abnormal> dunno, lemmie check...
[22:22] <abnormal> I use bnc4free to access it due to Verizon blocks spotchat.
[22:23] <abnormal> <*status> Attempting to connect to [irc.spotchat.org +6697] ...
[22:23] <abnormal> <*status> IRC connection timed out. Reconnecting...
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[22:24] <clever> ah, spot-chat the irc server
[22:24] <abnormal> do you know if spotchat is down?
[22:24] <abnormal> yes
[22:24] <clever> that makes things simpler to test
[22:24] <clever> 2015-02-09 17:24:13 [spotchat] -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.spotchat.org [64.57.81.107] port 6667
[22:24] <clever> 2015-02-09 17:24:13 [spotchat] -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.spotchat.org established
[22:24] <clever> works fine on this end, on port 6667
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[22:24] <clever> try setting your bnc to port 6667 ?
[22:25] <abnormal> ok wondering why I can't connect to it, although freenode is no prob...
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[22:25] <abnormal> lemme check...
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[22:26] <abnormal> the bnc is on port 1339
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[22:26] <clever> abnormal: aha, i think i see the issue
[22:26] <clever> irc.spotchat.org is a round-robin dns record
[22:26] <clever> it has 2 IP's behind it
[22:26] <clever> one is dead
[22:26] <abnormal> it connects to bnc then redirects to spotchat
[22:26] <clever> try forcing the bnc to connect to 64.57.81.107
[22:27] <abnormal> ok ty, min...
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[22:29] <abnormal> I dunno how to change that.. I am using Xchat
[22:29] <clever> its in the bnc config, not the xchat config
[22:29] <clever> you wont find it anywhere in xchat
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[22:30] <abnormal> ok prolly take me a while to find it, ty.
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[22:40] <clever> niston: and now gcc is fighting back
[22:40] <clever> generic_message_type<::nlmsgerr, 1024>
[22:40] <clever> it seems that <: is now special, so it needs more whitespace
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[22:54] <ozzzy> well I'm quite impressed with this
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[22:55] <H__> this being ?
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[22:56] <ozzzy> the new pi
[22:56] <ozzzy> we'll see how it goes with Win10
[22:56] <ozzzy> =)
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[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> Does Win10 ARM even have a desktop?
[23:01] <clever> Sonny_Jim: there are 3 different versions of win10 arm
[23:01] <clever> one of them is meant for embeded devices, think of the ardruino
[23:02] <clever> obviously, no display, so no GUI
[23:02] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[23:02] <Sonny_Jim> Why even call it Window then lol
[23:02] <clever> just the windows kernel and basic system libs
[23:02] <Sonny_Jim> *Windows
[23:02] <clever> because its the windows kernel :P
[23:02] <niston> its time to make me a hot dog!
[23:02] <niston> sudo make me a hotdog
[23:02] <clever> Sonny_Jim: its still a mystery which flavor of windows we will get
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> My money is on the non-desktop one
[23:03] <clever> worst case, all you get is the ability to run arm .exe files, which have bare framebuffer access
[23:03] <clever> write your own gui
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> Nah, seems kinda pointless
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> If I wanted a cheap windowing ARM box, I would get an Android device
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[23:04] <clever> the only thing you can really gain is the ability to write 'windows-only' code in visual studio and push it to the pi
[23:04] <clever> i would much rather use cross-platform c++, which just works anywhere
[23:04] <niston> clever: I just use mono to develop in C#/VS for the Pi
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[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> Seems weird that MS would even bother with ARM, but I guess after the hammering it's taken with Android/Apple and the rapid increase in mobile device use they kinda felt left out
[23:05] <clever> niston: ah, you got .net working cross-platform?
[23:05] <niston> yes
[23:05] <niston> at least the non-GUI stuff works very well
[23:05] <clever> just do that then, if you want to
[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> They missed the boat on internet servers, then missed the boat on mobile devices
[23:05] <niston> wrote the firmware for my Streaming Radio in C# :)
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[23:06] <niston> there's some OS specific stuff (like unix signal handling) that has to be taken care of, but otherwise the code is absolutely portable
[23:07] <clever> ive been doing my latest project in QT c++
[23:07] <clever> source level cross-platform
[23:07] <clever> niston: is .net binary level portable?
[23:07] <niston> yes
[23:07] <clever> ah, so its more like java
[23:07] <niston> the Assemblies are
[23:08] <niston> of course you can invoke native libs, so those would have to be compiled for the target platform
[23:08] <clever> unity is heavily .net, and can create builds for nearly every platform
[23:08] <clever> but native libs would break the portability
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[23:08] <clever> so they locked native libs behind the 'pro' version (pay-wall)
[23:08] <clever> kind of forces the masses to write portable code
[23:08] <niston> heh
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[23:09] <niston> here's a little demo using C# with native libs on .NET and mono: https://niston.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/cross-platform-development/
[23:09] <clever> can mono translate the assembly to native arm?
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[23:10] <niston> JITing yeah
[23:10] <clever> ah, so it has to be done every time you run it
[23:10] <niston> there's also Ahead-of-Time compilation
[23:10] <clever> android has some install-time stuff
[23:10] <niston> but in my use case it offers no benefit
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[23:10] <peeps[work]> is webgl supported by the rpi graphics controller?
[23:10] <clever> android is a bit weird, you first write java source code, and compile it into java bytecode
[23:10] <niston> ie downside is the startup time of mono
[23:10] <niston> not the execution speed of the code
[23:10] <clever> then you translate the java bytecode into dalvik bytecode
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[23:11] <clever> then at install time, the device will perform the linking, and translate the dalvik again (hard-linking the app against system libs)
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[23:11] <clever> so it doesnt have to perform linking at startup
[23:11] <niston> ic
[23:11] <niston> kinda like AoT I guess
[23:11] <clever> then the system dalvik + app dalvik + system native libs all get thrown into an app process
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[23:12] <clever> every app gets its own linux username+uid
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[23:12] <clever> gid is used to restrict what the app can do
[23:12] <niston> ah..
[23:12] <clever> so if you have network access, you get added to the network group
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[23:12] <niston> App Domain emulation *g*
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[23:13] <clever> all permissions must be defined at install time, and none are optional
[23:13] <clever> they get listed to the user, who can accept it, or reject the entire app
[23:13] <niston> ah that would be the "this app requires the following rights" screen
[23:13] <clever> yep
[23:13] <niston> I did some Android stuff with Xamarin
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[23:14] <niston> it was fairly straightforward
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[23:14] <niston> couldn't say the same for Xamarin on WinRT -.-
[23:14] <clever> you must be in the sdcard group to access the sdcard
[23:14] <clever> for some permissions, the groups actualy apply at the kernel level like normal
[23:14] <clever> linux just enforces it like usual
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[23:14] <clever> for other permissions like GPS, the unix sockets give the server a uid/gid list for the calling process
[23:14] <clever> and the server process enforces things itself
[23:15] <clever> SO_PASSCRED in 'man 7 unix'
[23:15] <clever> i think
[23:15] <clever> might be a different flag
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[23:21] <niston> ah finally.. Jupiter Ascending on my favorite movie site :P
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[23:22] <clever> niston: i think i almost have a working gentoo package for freelan
[23:22] <niston> clever: nice one
[23:22] <clever> i had to hack the compile script, and fix a few gcc bugs
[23:23] <clever> then fight with patch&diff for an hour, lol
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[23:25] <azizLIGHT> my raspberry pi 2 is here
[23:25] <azizLIGHT> YES
[23:25] <niston> congrats
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[23:26] <clever> grats!
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[23:26] <turtlehat> anyone using nodejs ?
[23:26] <turtlehat> on rpi2
[23:27] <clever> ive used nodejs on the old pi without issue
[23:27] <turtlehat> yea me too
[23:27] <turtlehat> but for some reason npm crashes when i try to install express on v2
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[23:28] <niston> whats it with all this javascript sillyness?
[23:28] <niston> running servers inside of a webbrowser and such like
[23:28] <niston> HERESY!
[23:28] <clever> turtlehat: what error does it give?
[23:28] <turtlehat> whats with all this elitism? :p
[23:28] <irssi2> does not hesitate to take a picture! ;) azizLIGHT
[23:28] <clever> niston: its not exactly a web browser anymore
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[23:28] <niston> hehe
[23:28] <clever> niston: they ripped the JS engine out of chrome, and gave it proper libs to access the fs
[23:28] <turtlehat> clever, it gives a looong error and stack trace
[23:29] <clever> turtlehat: can you pastebin some of it?
[23:29] <turtlehat> v1.4.28
[23:29] <turtlehat> http://hastebin.com/cuwixumowi.xml
[23:29] <clever> thats a weird format for the error
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[23:30] <clever> i think its combining the JS and c++ stacks, neat
[23:31] <clever> but theres so much info, its hard to see what the actual error was, lol
[23:31] <clever> anything before the stack trace?
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[23:34] <turtlehat> abort: some gibberish chars
[23:34] <turtlehat> besides that nothing
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[23:35] <azizLIGHT> irssi2: funny
[23:35] <azizLIGHT> hehe
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[23:37] <irssi2> azizLIGHT: if you have the opportunity to overclocking, I'm interested to see which can go up to this new version. :)
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[23:38] <turtlehat> 33 Mhz + turbo
[23:38] <turtlehat> ill be quiet now
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[23:46] <zleap> hi
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[23:47] <zleap> hi, just installed raspbian on a b+ with noobs, and i ahve a working wifi dongle but having issues getting an ip address and connecting to my wifi
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[23:49] <RavenII> Holy MOLEY!...that's a lot of people.
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[23:50] <RavenII> So, since the Pi 2 uses the LAN9514 controller...does that mean that if you're maxing out the 100mbps due to a transfer...you're only left with 380mbps dedicated to the ports?
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[23:50] <niston> yup there's only one USB bus and its shared across all devices
[23:51] <diffra> And that's theoretical maximums, your actual observed speeds will be less.
[23:51] <niston> indeed
[23:51] <niston> also, ethernet is full duplex (so 200mbps max transfer)
[23:52] <RavenII> Aha, ok...fair enough.
[23:52] <RavenII> That's what I figured. So you mean to tell me, that I can't USB3 speeds with gigabit ethernet for $35!?...what a rip off. /s
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[23:53] <Triffid_Hunter> RavenII: sure you can, get an odroid C1 :P
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[23:53] <RavenII> -.-
[23:54] <RavenII> So you mean to tell me, that I can't USB3 speeds with gigabit ethernet, AND the community/support that the Pi has for $35!?...what a rip off.
[23:54] <RavenII> better? hahaha
[23:54] <zleap> i am getting told could not get status from wpa supplicant
[23:54] <ShorTie> zleap, did you run thru the Menu/Internet/Wicd Network Manager ??
[23:54] <zleap> ShorTie: I am doing that now
[23:54] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[23:54] <zleap> same as before this dongle works,
[23:54] <zleap> but i am having issues connecting
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[23:55] <MarkSX> Why does the oDroid C1 not get more attention for the price ?
[23:55] <zleap> signal 15 recieved
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[23:56] <RavenII> Triffid_Hunter, but seriously...that odroid is kinda impressive...
[23:56] <Triffid_Hunter> yep
[23:56] <PovAddict> back
[23:56] <MarkSX> When was it released out of curiosity ?
[23:57] <RavenII> MarkSX, I'm assuming the community...much larger/better support, I'd assume.
[23:57] <PovAddict> okay so I manually installed the packages for wi-fi, how do I configure it now? raspbian came with network/interfaces already set up properly
[23:57] <MarkSX> RavenII, for the money its straight up killing it
[23:57] * ShorTie thinkz, odroid ain't got much to do with raspberryPi, how about #odroid
[23:58] * MarkSX thinks this isnt an official channel anyway
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[23:58] <niston> IS there an official channel anyways?
[23:58] <PovAddict> no
[23:58] <MarkSX> nope :P
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[23:58] <ShorTie> this is as offical as it gets
[23:59] <RavenII> Funny, I bet if we tried odroid with the same subject, they'd point us back in this direction...
[23:59] <MarkSX> Which is to say is Unofficial
[23:59] <MarkSX> RavenII, Ahmen, I am not having a go at the RpI just purely doing a comparison
[23:59] <ShorTie> the foundation didn't set it up, so kinda hard to be offical
[23:59] <niston> aha. the IT world is full of de-facto standards

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