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IRC Log for 2015-02-13

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[0:00] <ali1234> factor: yes but raspbian is shipped as a raw disk image, not a zip file
[0:00] <ali1234> it has a small fat32 partition for boot
[0:00] <factor> ok that is fine and that is what i thoughy I had on it.
[0:00] <factor> thought^
[0:00] <factor> I had a much smaller card then though 2gig only.
[0:00] <Klaus_Dieter> clever: that would require me to also do this hack, right? https://learn.adafruit.com/arduino-tips-tricks-and-techniques/3-3v-conversion
[0:01] <factor> now I need to preformat a card and dd raspian on it.
[0:01] <factor> on the certian 2gig partition I guess
[0:01] <ali1234> you don't need to format it
[0:01] <factor> Will it use all 32 gigs
[0:01] <ali1234> just dd
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[0:01] <clever> Klaus_Dieter: if you feed 3.3v right into the ardruino, the regulator wont have to be modified, just dont connect the usb input at all
[0:02] <ali1234> factor: yes i believe it resizes itself on first boot
[0:02] <Klaus_Dieter> clever: right.
[0:02] <clever> the bigger issue is the crystal
[0:02] <ozzzy> you have to run raspi-config to resizze it
[0:02] <clever> its likely running too fast for 3.3v
[0:02] <clever> so your technicaly over-clocking it
[0:02] <ali1234> nah
[0:03] <ozzzy> this is great... I can hotplug usb stuff on the Pi2 without it resetting
[0:03] <diffra> ozzzy, i've been doing that with my Model B pretty regularly with no problems
[0:03] <ozzzy> my B just about always reset
[0:03] <ali1234> the 328 will easily run at 16MHz at 3.3v
[0:03] <phire> ozzzy, you might have a power supply issue
[0:04] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: clever I will try this. thank you very much.
[0:04] <ozzzy> phire, nope... 5.25V solie
[0:04] <ozzzy> er... solid
[0:04] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: you also mentioned a second way - using spi
[0:04] <ozzzy> up to 3A
[0:04] <factor> ali1234: Yes I think I recall that now, thanks will go ahead and try it out .
[0:04] <ozzzy> 8-40V in
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[0:05] <ali1234> Klaus_Dieter: means porting the protocol to pi
[0:05] <ozzzy> that B always had issues
[0:06] <ali1234> you can use SPI to synthesize most simple 1 wire serial protocols
[0:06] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: ok. well... that can still be accomplished if the easy way (circumventing usb) fails
[0:06] <phire> ozzzy, still sounds like a power issue (with the board itself)
[0:06] <ozzzy> oh... could be
[0:06] <ozzzy> that board has gremlins
[0:06] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: well the cc1101 board I have has 8 connectors - this is not a 1-wire protocol
[0:06] <ozzzy> to start with it idles at 72C
[0:06] <phire> I had one which would crash shortly after booting linux
[0:06] <ali1234> if it's not serial that's even easier
[0:07] <phire> found that the sd card inserted spring thing was miss-aligned
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[0:07] <phire> so it finished booting and went "oh know, my sdcard has been ejected, better stop using it"
[0:07] <phire> *oh no
[0:07] <clever> lol
[0:07] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: yeah - but that would require to run the whole protocol on the cpu of the pi ... which is often busy playing video
[0:08] <ali1234> doesn't matter
[0:08] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: I doubt it'd work well in a multitasking environment
[0:08] <clever> ok, ive narrowed down my crash some
[0:08] <ali1234> the datasheet for this chip is really bad :(
[0:08] <clever> the stat of a file on NFS is returning the size of a file on the local disk
[0:08] <ali1234> "A 4-wire SPI serial interface is used for configuration and data buffer access"
[0:08] <clever> how does that happen???
[0:09] <ali1234> so just connect it to raspberry pi SPI and rewrite the driver
[0:09] <ali1234> note "buffers"
[0:09] <ali1234> that means it is not real time
[0:09] <ali1234> you have all the time you need to send your data and then the transmit command
[0:09] * ozzzy shakes his fist at gordondrogon
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[0:11] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: nice.
[0:11] <clever> ali1234: http://pastebin.com/Ba3jDsCx any clue how this could possibly happen?
[0:11] <clever> i modified it to print out the size of each file as it reads it
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[0:12] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: maybe I should have a look at the logic that is currently running on my arduino... :)
[0:12] <ali1234> clever: out of disk space, out of memory...
[0:12] <clever> 188mb of ram free
[0:12] <clever> 168mb free on root, 121gig free on the fs with the issue
[0:13] <ali1234> strace it
[0:13] <CoJaBo> Sure it's not trying to write to the wrong FS?
[0:13] <clever> i did, thats how i discovered mmap was using the wrong filesize
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[0:13] <clever> doing strace again
[0:14] <ali1234> is it an NFS file system?
[0:14] <clever> yes
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[0:14] <clever> but how is it mixing the stat reply for a local fs with the network fs??
[0:14] <ali1234> then all bets are off
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[0:15] <clever> ok, strange, fstat64 returned the right size, then mmap and printf showed the wrong one
[0:15] <clever> wtf?
[0:15] <ali1234> because of caching and network problems and NFS generally being pretty horrible
[0:15] <Klaus_Dieter> clever: it is not recommended to build anything on nfs
[0:15] <clever> ali1234: strace confirms that stat returned the right size, nfs caching isnt at fault
[0:15] <clever> Klaus_Dieter: i have 168mb free on /, no room for a kernel
[0:16] <clever> ali1234: http://pastebin.com/wPAG27rn strace report
[0:16] <clever> fstat(fd, &st); mmap(NULL, st.st_size, ...; fprintf(stderr,"mapped other file %s %d\n",filename,st.st_size);
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[0:16] <ali1234> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=35974
[0:16] <clever> the strace and code dont match up
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[0:17] <Klaus_Dieter> clever: put in a usb thumb drive and build it there... or cross-compile
[0:17] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/820134
[0:17] <ali1234> https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/10/1/63
[0:17] <clever> Klaus_Dieter: whole reason i was doing this was to enable dkms, so i could avoid a cross-compile and just do 1 module
[0:18] <ali1234> i think the conclusion is "don't mmap files on NFS"
[0:18] <ali1234> you cn cross compile just one module you know
[0:18] <ali1234> it's pretty easy
[0:18] <clever> you have to run 'make prepare' first
[0:18] <clever> that fails
[0:18] <ali1234> oh, no working headers?
[0:18] <clever> and 'make menuconfig' fails with sigbus
[0:19] <clever> correct
[0:19] <clever> i was attempting to setup the headers to do just that
[0:19] <ali1234> why aren't they packaged?
[0:19] <ali1234> >:[
[0:19] <clever> you also need the sym versions from the rpi-firmware repo
[0:19] <clever> make: *** No rule to make target `include/config/auto.conf', needed by `include/config/kernel.release'. Stop.
[0:19] <ali1234> right, those should be packaged too
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[0:19] <clever> this is the error when i try to 'make prepare'
[0:20] <clever> http://pastebin.com/vN9tdQp4 and the steps i followed, was trying to write a guide, lol
[0:20] <clever> turned into a debug nightmare
[0:20] <ali1234> what is linux-headers-3.12-1-rpi - Header files for Linux 3.12-1-rpi
[0:21] <clever> and i'm running 3.18.6+
[0:21] <ali1234> linux-headers-rpi-rpfv is what you actually should install i guess
[0:21] <clever> it must exactly match the running kernel
[0:21] <ali1234> yeah, why aren't they updating the headers packages?
[0:21] <clever> pi@rdpclient /media/videos/4tb $ ls
[0:21] <clever> ls: reading directory .: File too large
[0:21] <ozzzy> ali1234, do they need to?
[0:21] <clever> ok, so nfs ver2 wont work either, lol
[0:22] <ali1234> ozzzy: yes, the headers have to exactly match the running kernel
[0:22] <clever> the guide i was attempting to write shows how to get the right kernel source version
[0:22] <clever> but now its decided to derp on me in the weirdest way possible
[0:22] <ali1234> how do you report bugs against raspbian?
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[0:23] <clever> let me see if i can narrow it down with gdb
[0:24] <ali1234> only 41 bugs reported against raspbian?
[0:25] <clever> hmmm, strace truncated the result on me
[0:25] <clever> more -s!
[0:26] <clever> yep, i can now reproduce it without make in the mix, http://pastebin.com/azq5HfzK
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[0:28] <clever> and the gcc cmdline isnt required
[0:31] <clever> and now its even more wonky!?
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[0:32] <clever> ali1234: http://pastebin.com/RfDEgreF its now claiming the file is 34kb in size
[0:32] <clever> when its not
[0:32] <clever> gdb must have read something else, which then somehow got transposed in
[0:33] <clever> except, strace shows that fstat64 returned the correct size??
[0:33] <ali1234> so raspbian uses rpi-update to install kernels?
[0:34] <ali1234> not packages?
[0:34] <clever> it uses both
[0:34] <ali1234> only 3.12 is packaged in raspbian
[0:34] <clever> the packages are updated less often
[0:34] <clever> rpi-update is more of a beta-tester thing
[0:34] <ali1234> so where does rpi-update download kernels from?
[0:34] <clever> hexeh's github repo
[0:34] <ali1234> he builds them>
[0:34] <ali1234> ?
[0:34] <clever> he copies them from the other firmware repo
[0:34] <clever> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/
[0:35] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/
[0:35] <clever> this repo has all of the userland tools, which arent needed when you just want kernel&start.elf
[0:35] <clever> makes the download more bloated
[0:36] <clever> popcornmix has push on both
[0:36] <ali1234> and then the source is in /linux
[0:36] <clever> the linux source is in /linux
[0:36] <clever> the userland tools&shims are in /userland
[0:36] <clever> and the gpu firmware is off who knows where, lol
[0:36] <ali1234> so essentially the problem here is that the foundation releases daily binary kernels without headers, and then nobody else bothers to rebuild it?
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[0:37] <clever> those builds include the git hash of the linux it was built from
[0:37] <clever> so you can just clone the exact headers they used
[0:37] <ali1234> which isn't enough to produce the ksyms
[0:37] <clever> and ksyms is in the firmware repo
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[0:37] <ali1234> what's the problem then?
[0:37] <clever> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/blob/master/Module.symvers
[0:38] <clever> fixdep is having a bus error when doing make menuconfig
[0:38] <clever> because nfs is being derpy
[0:38] <ali1234> so the only problem you have is that you are using nfs?
[0:38] <clever> i think thats it
[0:38] <clever> but the error makes no sense at all
[0:39] <clever> its like a bug in libc's fstat function
[0:39] <clever> its not nfs, strace confirmed that
[0:39] <ali1234> NFS errors usually don't
[0:39] <ali1234> bug report it?
[0:39] <clever> its such a crazy error that nobody would belive me without proof :P
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[0:39] <clever> i wouldnt even belive it
[0:39] <clever> http://pastebin.com/wPAG27rn just look at the strace here
[0:40] <clever> line 9 returns the right size, then line 10 has the size of the previous file
[0:40] <ali1234> t clearly is related to NFS somehow
[0:40] <clever> this implies that the kernel layer is perfectly ok
[0:41] <clever> i dont see how nfs could possibly cross over with a reply from the local fs
[0:41] <clever> its not like its getting the network packets mixed up
[0:41] <clever> ext4 isnt using the network
[0:41] <ali1234> never-the-less it clearly is related to NFS
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[0:42] <clever> as far as i know, the differences between ALL fs's stops once you hit the kernel/userland border
[0:42] <clever> and strace shows it returning the correct value
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[0:42] <clever> fstat64 returns the right value, but fstat does not, http://pastebin.com/RfDEgreF
[0:42] <clever> so something is happening in the fstat wrapper?
[0:43] <clever> hmmm, inode info, *looks*
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[0:43] <ali1234> reproduce it without NFS and i'll believe it's not NFS related :)
[0:44] <clever> let me hunt down this inode
[0:45] <clever> wait a sec....
[0:45] <clever> number of hard links!?
[0:45] <clever> ali1234: look at line 10 of http://pastebin.com/RfDEgreF, the st_nlink
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[0:46] <ali1234> it means nothing to me...
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[0:46] <clever> it should be under 5 under pretty much any case
[0:47] <clever> it shouldnt be in the millions
[0:47] <ali1234> nlink?
[0:47] <clever> yeah
[0:47] <ali1234> that looks like a negative number
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[0:48] <ali1234> 0xbeffdfd4 - probably not then
[0:48] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: after you explained what to do I also found a discussion online that shows how the chip should be wired using spi: https://forum.homegear.eu/viewtopic.php?t=10
[0:48] <clever> also, st_dev, its a unique id to the fs, client side for nfs
[0:48] <clever> stat reports it as well
[0:49] <ali1234> Klaus_Dieter: it's probably wired to SPI on arduino
[0:49] <clever> 19 decimal is the nfs mount
[0:50] <clever> so st_dev claims its a file on nfs
[0:50] <clever> which is what it should be saying, so why is the size wonky
[0:50] <ali1234> clever memory corruption caused my NFS being weird
[0:50] <ali1234> *by
[0:51] <clever> wait a sec, st_mode, *converts*
[0:51] <clever> thats totally wrong as well
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[0:52] <clever> and so are the last-mod times, negative somehow
[0:52] <Klaus_Dieter> ali1234: yeah I think so.
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[0:54] <clever> id check voltages, but its being abnormaly reproducable
[0:54] <clever> and the meter is MIA
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[0:58] <Klaus_Dieter> well based on this blog entry and the code that is shared there this might be doable :)
[0:58] <Klaus_Dieter> even for me
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[1:20] <clever> ali1234: hmmm, and now nfs wont even mount
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[1:31] <komrade> maybe someone can help me search better, i think i just cant think of the right words... but instead of using an hdmi cable to connect my pi to a monitor/tv, is there a way i can do this wirelessly?
[1:32] <PovAddict> depends, what do you want to see?
[1:32] <PovAddict> if you want a console, use ssh
[1:32] <PovAddict> if you want graphics it gets more complicated :)
[1:32] <ali1234> wireless hdmi
[1:32] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/wireless-hdmi
[1:32] <komrade> graphics, i think
[1:33] <PovAddict> ali1234: ooh shiny
[1:33] <ali1234> they aren't cheap
[1:33] <ali1234> all that stuff on ebay is chromecast type stuff
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[1:34] <komrade> hmmm, well i have a chromecast. is there a way to send it to the chromecast via wifi instead of another piece of hardware?
[1:34] <ali1234> only if you root the chromecast and reflash it with different software
[1:34] <clever> and also modify the pi to h264 encode everything and stream it out
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[1:35] <clever> which reminds me, i was looking into the ipad's new docking port a while back
[1:35] <clever> turns out, they dont have enough pins for hdmi
[1:35] <komrade> interesting... i have 2 chromecasts, 1 which i'm not using, what software would i have to flash to the chromecast?
[1:35] <clever> so they basicaly put an entire bloody raspberrypi in the hdmi adapter :P
[1:35] <clever> and it streams h264 video over the usb interface
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[1:35] <ali1234> komrade you have to root it first
[1:35] <clever> and as a result, you get some lovely h264 compression artifacts in your text!
[1:36] <ali1234> instructions for doing that change on a weekly basis
[1:36] <komrade> oh really?
[1:36] <komrade> they patch it that fast?
[1:36] <ali1234> ya really
[1:36] <PovAddict> clever: you mean Lightning?
[1:37] <PovAddict> clever: did the old connector have enough pins for HDMI?
[1:37] <komrade> 30 pin?
[1:37] <PovAddict> yeah
[1:37] <PovAddict> I mean, many pins were already reserved for other uses
[1:38] <komrade> oh right... i dunno. hdmi has 18 or 19 i think
[1:38] <clever> PovAddict: yeah the lightning port
[1:38] <clever> PovAddict: the old connector was pro-hdmi, but it has usb, firewire, analog audio, and composite video
[1:38] <clever> each on its own set of pins
[1:38] <clever> pre-hdmi
[1:38] <PovAddict> yeah
[1:38] <PovAddict> the idea of lightning is that if a new connector comes out, Apple just has to release a new dongle and a new silent software update
[1:38] <clever> the new one cant handle actual hdmi, so they basicaly put a soc nearly identical to the pi on the usb adapter
[1:39] <clever> which will then decode the h264, and output it over hdmi
[1:39] <PovAddict> yep
[1:39] <clever> so you get some lovely h264 compression artifacts on your once crisp html pages
[1:39] <PovAddict> the adapter runs the Darwin kernel, even
[1:40] <clever> heh, chances are its the same arch as the ipad itself
[1:40] <PovAddict> yeah
[1:40] <PovAddict> the software is super slimmed down though; even though the kernel is XNU, it doesn't even run an init/launchd
[1:40] <PovAddict> it's like init=/bin/h264decoder
[1:40] <clever> yeah, i would skip things like init as well if i want faster boot times
[1:40] <clever> exactly
[1:41] <clever> though i would also use an initrd
[1:41] <clever> it likely lacks a disk
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[1:42] <clever> thinking about it like a model a or compute module without the emmc, you can possibly push the bootcode.bin over usb
[1:42] <PovAddict> that's what it does
[1:42] <PovAddict> the iOS device pushes the software into the adapter when connected
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[1:42] <clever> i would just push over a kernel with the initrd embeded into it
[1:42] <clever> so it never has to mount a root
[1:43] <PovAddict> apparently the process of "pushing over the software" is disturbingly similar to the protocol used when a computer installs a firmware on an iOS device :|
[1:44] <chod> teh 4 core systems
[1:44] <chod> what performance are ppl getting
[1:47] <PovAddict> clever: what is a compute module btw?
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[1:48] <clever> PovAddict: its basicaly a bcm2835 cpu/ram, with an emmc sd card on the board, and no connectors at all
[1:49] <clever> every gpio broght out to a single header
[1:49] <clever> then you build your own board with the connectors you want
[1:49] <clever> you could make one with 2 camera connectors, and run both at once
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[1:50] <clever> PovAddict: http://blog.adafruit.com/2014/04/11/first-look-raspberry-pi-compute-module-photo-gallery-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/
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[1:50] <PovAddict> ah
[1:50] <clever> the sample board has EVERY gpio, 2 camera, 2 display (no firmware support yet), hdmi, composite video, usb host and slave
[1:51] <clever> U2 on the board is the emmc, same protocol as an SD card
[1:51] <clever> but obviously not removable
[1:52] <clever> and it uses the same socket as laptop ram, so the sockets are cheap
[1:52] <plugwash> but a PITA to solder :/
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[1:52] <plugwash> that's the age old problem, if you want lots of IO you have to use high density connectors but said connectors are a PITA to solder
[1:53] <clever> its meant more for professionals making complex boards that use the cpu
[1:54] <clever> but dont want to deal with purchasing the bare chips from broadcom andmessing with the package on package stuff
[1:55] <plugwash> mmm, there is certainly a middle ground in which it makes sense, it's a PITA to deal with compared to most things hobbyists handle but it's far far easier to deal with than a SoC comparable to the one on the Pi (you can't really buy the exact SoC used on the Pi.........)
[1:55] <clever> yep
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[1:56] <clever> you can also just send the board to a pro fab house, and have them assemble it for you
[1:56] <clever> with the proper ovens and everything
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[1:56] <clever> the starter board in the above link is to save you the trouble of doing that for low volume stuff
[1:56] <plugwash> IMO the starter board is really just to let you experiment with the module
[1:57] <clever> yeah, so you can figure out your software and which gpio you want
[1:57] <clever> then you design your own board, and start beta testing it
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[1:59] <Triffid_Hunter> plugwash: naw not hard to solder, use paste and hot air
[1:59] <Triffid_Hunter> or an oven
[1:59] <clever> i could probly do it by hand
[1:59] <clever> its a thru-hole socket
[2:00] <clever> its just a crap-ton of pins
[2:00] <Triffid_Hunter> heck, I dead-bugged a 0.65mm pitch IC the other day, certainly doable
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[2:00] <plugwash> some people are a lot better at soldering than others, my supervisor can solder bodge wires onto a 0.4mm pitch footpring, I can't
[2:01] <clever> ive dead-bugged a ssop-28 before
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[2:01] <Triffid_Hunter> check http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.chiaki.cc/Pyxis2010/ if you want to see someone who dead-bugged a BGA-484
[2:01] <plugwash> clever, what pitch? SSOP seems to be a rather loose term :(
[2:02] <clever> plugwash: trying to find photos, but the shell locked up on me
[2:02] <plugwash> (this looseness was why we ended up needing bodge wires in the first place, I put down a 0.4mm footprint when I should have put down a 0.65mm footprint)
[2:03] <clever> i ordered one footprint, then looked up a different one in the datasheet
[2:03] <clever> and ordered breakouts for the wrong one
[2:06] <clever> ok, whats going on, tab complete locks up shells...
[2:06] <clever> and so does invalid commands, lol
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[2:07] * plugwash has seen affects like that when the storage device with his root filesystem on it has dropped out
[2:07] <clever> stat("/opt",
[2:07] <clever> dmesg says nothing
[2:07] <clever> which reminds me, this has happened once before a few months ago
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[2:07] <clever> where did the backtrace go
[2:08] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: you've got a dead filesystem somewhere
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[2:08] <clever> strace says /opt is the black hole, but its part of root, which is otherwise perfectly fine
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[2:09] <clever> http://pastebin.com/siBf9tvj
[2:09] <clever> a backtrace of a hung thread
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[2:11] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: all i can think of, is that the 100vac mains was messing with it
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[2:11] <clever> the UPS didnt clean the power enough
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[2:12] <clever> brb
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[2:16] <[-clever-]`ca> strange, now it wont even boot up
[2:16] <[-clever-]`ca> instant kernel panic
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[2:17] <PovAddict> you blew it up
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[2:26] <[-clever-]`ca> PovAddict: second kernel also spews errors, but the trace is shorter
[2:26] <[-clever-]`ca> io errors on the disk drive
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[2:50] <[-clever-]`ca> PovAddict: smartctl says 0 reallocated sectors, all green
[2:51] <[-clever-]`ca> smartctl also says that there was some errors just recently
[2:52] <plugwash> AIUI smart is far from a reliable indicator of impending doom
[2:52] <ali1234> i2c isn't working any more after i ran rpi-update :(
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[2:53] <[-clever-]`ca> ali1234: you must enable it in config.txt
[2:53] <ali1234> where?
[2:53] <[-clever-]`ca> plugwash: it warned me ~2 days before the last hdd failed, but i wasnt watching the logs
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[2:54] <[-clever-]`ca> ali1234: its all over the forums
[2:54] <ali1234> derp derp derp
[2:54] <[-clever-]`ca> half the threads a read link back to it
[2:54] <ali1234> oh a sticky
[2:55] <[-clever-]`ca> plugwash: heh, and if i try to mount the disk, errors!
[2:55] <ali1234> gah... can i just have a config.txt that turns everything on please?
[2:55] <[-clever-]`ca> just input every feature into the list
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[2:56] <clever> [ 499.172477] XFS (sda1): metadata I/O error: block 0x6f00640 ("xlog_recover_do..(read#2)") error 5 numblks 16
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[2:57] <clever> plugwash: so how bad is it doctor? lol
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[3:00] <abnormal> clever, how's the elec now?
[3:00] <PovAddict> XFS?
[3:00] <clever> PovAddict: yep
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[3:02] <clever> whatever it is, its spreading, lol
[3:02] <clever> ps aux now hangs on the recovery system
[3:03] <PovAddict> SD on fire?
[3:03] <clever> cant tell, dmesg also locked up, lol
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[3:04] <clever> plan b, do the force mount in a paravirtual guest
[3:04] <clever> so the host doesnt die
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[3:06] <clever> crap, the paravirt is on the hdd i just yanked out
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[3:07] <ShorTie> usb hdd adapter, they are nice
[3:07] <clever> its gone missing
[3:07] <clever> somebody cleaned up
[3:07] <clever> now i cant find anything
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[3:07] <ShorTie> lool, know that feeling
[3:07] <clever> the usb adapter was right infront of the tower
[3:07] <clever> and the volt meter was on the dining room table
[3:07] <clever> both have vanished without a trace
[3:08] <clever> i have another 6 sata ports on this motherboard
[3:08] <clever> but the power connectors are so stiff i need a hammer to install them
[3:08] <ShorTie> just got me another voltmeter for free monday, now i got 2 spares
[3:09] <clever> i have 3 or 4 of them, mix of analog and digital, cheap and fluke
[3:09] <clever> all are missing
[3:09] <ShorTie> and atleast a hafe dozen scaterd around
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[3:10] <clever> and to make things worse, the dead system is the dns server
[3:10] <clever> so now booting takes way longer, as nfs exports fails to resolve every name i gave access to
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[3:11] <ShorTie> been a long day
[3:11] <ShorTie> i hait it when a 5 minute job turns into a all day project .. :/~
[3:12] <PovAddict> ShorTie: that is explained clearly in the Murphy's Law book
[3:12] <clever> ShorTie: this job wasnt even meant to happen
[3:12] <PovAddict> you have to multiply the expected time by two and pass it to the next unit of time
[3:12] <clever> then the power went out for 2 hours
[3:12] <PovAddict> thus a 5-minute job will take you 10 hours
[3:12] <clever> the ups low battery didnt even chirp, ssh just crapped out mid-sentence
[3:12] * ShorTie snickers
[3:13] <ShorTie> so true at times
[3:13] <clever> so smartctl claims the disk is fine, then it throws io errors if i read certain sectors
[3:14] <ShorTie> yup, power failures and open files don't mix to well
[3:14] * plugwash is currently feeling that way about Debian style kernels for rpi2
[3:14] <PovAddict> oh man, I remember an incident at work >.>
[3:14] <clever> that should have just caused mild file corruption
[3:14] <clever> like a couple sectors of null
[3:14] <clever> but not bad sectors
[3:15] <PovAddict> ShorTie: a misconfigured UPS cut power to the computer *during* the clean-shutdown process
[3:15] <clever> lol
[3:15] <PovAddict> a lot of stuff is written to disk during MS Windows shutdown
[3:15] <ShorTie> oh my
[3:15] <PovAddict> ended up with a corrupted registry
[3:16] <ShorTie> windows love that
[3:16] <PovAddict> the computer in question was the Active Directory domain controller :D
[3:16] <ShorTie> how blue can we be
[3:16] <PovAddict> bah
[3:16] <PovAddict> I ran out of desk[sic] space
[3:20] <ShorTie> i'm getting tired of installing raspbian
[3:20] <ShorTie> almost done though
[3:20] <PovAddict> installing?
[3:21] <ShorTie> ya, cdebootstrap to an image
[3:22] <PovAddict> do you run that on the raspi itself?
[3:22] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[3:23] <ShorTie> most of the time is downlading
[3:23] <ShorTie> only takes a little over a half hour to make a basic image
[3:23] <plugwash> must have a slow internet connection.................
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[3:24] <ShorTie> 3meg at best
[3:24] <PovAddict> I have 8meg, but the raspi with wi-fi adapter downloads slower than that :(
[3:24] <clever> i have 80meg, my laptop can barely do 500k on wifi for some strange reason
[3:25] <PovAddict> are you talking bytes or bits?
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[3:26] <clever> both, 80mbit download, 500kbyte wifi
[3:26] <PovAddict> ah, thought so :)
[3:35] <PovAddict> bah canakit
[3:35] <PovAddict> the breadboard that came with my canakit kit seems to have much... 'harder'? contacts than the breadboard in my old electronics kit
[3:36] <PovAddict> looks like I'll need a lot of force to connect the included GPIO breakout board to the breadboard
[3:36] <PovAddict> I'm afraid of breaking something ._.
[3:38] <clever> same issue here with my brand new PSU, none of the sata power connectors will fit
[3:38] <clever> i have no clue how the pc shop got things plugged in
[3:39] <PovAddict> this gpio breakout thing is also kinda crap
[3:41] <PovAddict> http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-cobbler-gpio-breakout.html this is the newer one, T-shaped, much better
[3:46] <PovAddict> all Pi2s are B+, right?
[3:47] <clever> yes
[3:47] <PovAddict> http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-starter-kit.html is this too expensive?
[3:47] <clever> cant copy/paste
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[3:50] <ozzzy> PovAddict, same form factor anyway... different processor
[3:50] <PovAddict> would it be cheaper to get a raspi and accessories in the UK than in the US?
[3:51] <ozzzy> how much are they in the UK
[3:51] <PovAddict> (my sister is in NYC, but my dad is traveling to London soon)
[3:51] <plugwash> doubt theres much in it beyond taxes
[3:52] <PovAddict> well I was thinking since they are manufactured in UK...
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[3:53] <plugwash> IME the US branches of the distributors list the Pi at the exact nominal price but charge tax/shipping seperately. The UK distributors list at a slightly higher price than the nominal but give "free" shipping
[3:54] <ozzzy> amazon.uk wants 37.50GBP
[3:54] <ozzzy> that's way more than 35 dollars
[3:54] <ozzzy> there will be VAT on top of that
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[3:55] <PovAddict> canakit sells the model B+ for 42.95USD
[3:55] <plugwash> also AIUI UK VAT tends to be higher than the sales/use tax in most US states, also afaict US sales/use tax is also much easier to dodge
[3:56] <ozzzy> you dont' want a b+
[3:56] <ozzzy> you want a pi 2
[3:56] <PovAddict> I know, I was just giving a number for comparison :v
[3:56] <plugwash> ozzzy, firstly prices on amazon UK include VAT
[3:57] <clever> i think the high altitude baloon guys still want a pi1a
[3:57] <clever> pi2 isnt for everybody, just for most
[3:57] <PovAddict> I wonder if I should just wait for the pi2 demand to drop and price to drop
[3:57] <ozzzy> I bought 2 from element14
[3:58] <clever> given the recent series of hdd's failures (2 so far this year), i think i'll be dumping my money on a decent raid array
[3:58] <plugwash> ozzzy, secondly amazon's own price is £29.99 , unfortunately they seem to be out of stock and so are listing a third party seller as the headline price
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[3:58] <ozzzy> 29.99GBP is almost 60Cdn
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[3:59] <clever> ouch
[3:59] <PovAddict> CDN?
[3:59] <ozzzy> yep
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[4:02] <plugwash> ozzzy, i'm pretty damn sure the $35 reffered to USD
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[4:02] <ozzzy> I paid 38.95Cdn
[4:03] <PovAddict> how do I find out the carrier frequency of an IR remote control?
[4:04] <clever> PovAddict: got a scope?
[4:04] <PovAddict> nope :(
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[4:04] <plugwash> 29.99GBP inc VAT (as I said amazon prices include VAT) is 24.99GBP ex VAT which is 38.46USD which seems fairly reasonable give that the amazon price includes shipping and the raspberry pi foundation's nominal price was always said to exclude shipping
[4:04] <clever> just guess then, its usualy 40khz
[4:05] <PovAddict> clever: I want to know what TSOP382 receiver to buy
[4:05] <clever> ive always used the 40khz ones without issue
[4:05] <ozzzy> 29.99GBP = 46.15USD
[4:05] <plugwash> AIUI the canadian dollar has dropped signifcantly against the USD recently, maybe you got lucky and got in before the vendor adjusted their prices for the exchange rate shift
[4:06] <ozzzy> plugwash, nope... that's about it for conversion
[4:06] <PovAddict> sparkfun only has the 38khz version? :/
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[4:06] <clever> close enough
[4:06] <rcombs> is it possible to change the Pi's HDMI output resolution at runtime?
[4:06] <clever> PovAddict: it has a fairly wide window of acceptance
[4:06] <rcombs> (dmi_mode, that is)
[4:06] <rcombs> erm, hdmi_mode
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[4:47] <flyback> did a user from undernet named willmake it here?
[4:48] <PovAddict> flyback: no messages here for the past 45 minutes
[4:49] <flyback> ok, I was trying to help osmeone on undernet and I told them to head here
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[5:40] <PovAddict> whee
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[5:52] <genewitch> I'm trying to use a bosch bmp085 sensor, i'm 99% sure i wired it right. when i try to run the adafruit python code for it i get this errors http://projectftm.com/index.php?44eb3e
[5:53] <genewitch> I2C.py and the BMP085.py exist, i've done the install on both
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[5:55] <clever> genewitch: and did you enable i2c in config.txt ?
[5:56] <genewitch> yeah maybe i didn't, i'm updating raspi-config and making sure it's enabled in there
[5:56] <genewitch> then i'll reboot
[5:56] <clever> that edits config.txt for you
[5:56] <genewitch> i guess i enabled SPI
[5:56] <genewitch> thanks. i started digging a little more online in the meantime
[5:57] <genewitch> i had to solder this myself so if it works at all i'll eat a cake
[5:58] <[-clever-]`ca> genewitch: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=98318
[5:59] <genewitch> http://imgur.com/a/AdgF3
[6:00] <clever> looks good
[6:00] <clever> now lets see how much data i can recover from this failing hdd
[6:00] <Kealper> genewitch: looks a lot better than what i'd probably end up with if i tried :P
[6:01] <clever> 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x003a 084 084 000 Old_age Always - 16
[6:01] <clever> at a glance, it looks like i only have 16 bad sectors so far
[6:01] <genewitch> Kealper: not pictured are the solder sucker i had to use a bunch
[6:02] <clever> this whole problem started when i tried to pull up some of my soldering photos
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[6:03] <genewitch> Kealper: but thank you
[6:03] <Kealper> eventually i'd like to get into getting kits and stuff from places like Adafruit and make some fancy things
[6:04] <Kealper> but for now, i'm just entertained with the new PiGlow i got lol...
[6:06] <clever> just noticed, i cant even adjust the thermostat anymore
[6:06] <clever> the hdd in that server is dead, lol
[6:06] <Kealper> D:
[6:06] <clever> bad sector right in the xfs recovery log
[6:06] <clever> so it fails instantly upon mounting, as it tries to recover from an improper shutdown
[6:07] <Kealper> ouch
[6:07] <clever> and it wont even mount in normal read-only mode, it demands that you allow recovery first
[6:07] <clever> you have to force it with -o ro,norecovery
[6:08] <clever> which leaves the improper shutdown damage as-is
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[6:10] <clever> ive copied a bunch of stuff out in tar form, but now i'm going to try and image the whole thing
[6:11] <genewitch> still doesn't work after a reboot, there's an error though "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 41.816] pcm512x 1-004d: Failed to reset device: -55
[6:11] <genewitch> -5, not -55
[6:11] <clever> that one sounds audio related, let me look up 5
[6:11] <clever> OS error code 5: Input/output error
[6:12] <genewitch> yeah pcm usualy means audio. it's the only one that had an error.
[6:12] <clever> looks like it will take ~30mins to copy this disk, not counting delays from IO errors
[6:12] <clever> then i can just boot it up in a vm, like the last server that failed
[6:13] <clever> this series of hardware failures has forced me to condense my cluster of random old crap
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[6:13] <clever> first one was an 11 year old desktop that has basicaly sat on the floor neglected for 11 years, lol
[6:14] <clever> except for power outages, it has been on solid the whole time
[6:15] <genewitch> in config.txt dtparam=i2c_arm=on
[6:15] <genewitch> but adafruit says it needs to say dtparam=i2c1=on
[6:15] <clever> try that too and see if it helps
[6:17] <clever> and the drive is really cookin, 50c!
[6:17] <genewitch> wow, the pi doesn't actually reboot when i sudo reboot
[6:17] <genewitch> last line on screen is DHCPRELEASE
[6:18] <clever> its likely waiting for the dhcp server to reply
[6:18] <clever> it will give up shortly
[6:18] <clever> putting a heavy counterweight under the hdd has helped, its dropping about a degree a minute
[6:18] <Kealper> genewitch: on the Adafruit page i seen, it had both lines in the config.txt
[6:19] <genewitch> hasn't, and other terminals are unresponsive.
[6:19] <clever> are you watching it via ssh?
[6:19] <genewitch> nah hdmi
[6:19] <genewitch> and usb keyboard
[6:19] <clever> try sysrq then, alt+printscreen+r
[6:19] <clever> alt+printscreen+s
[6:20] <clever> alt+printscreen+e, alt+printscreen+u alt+printscreen+b
[6:20] <clever> each one, one at a time, it should print something when you do each
[6:20] <genewitch> B worked
[6:20] <genewitch> sysrq did ^/
[6:20] <clever> b hard-resets it without saving anything
[6:20] <clever> s forces a sync, to minimize data loss
[6:20] <genewitch> oh i saw B
[6:20] <genewitch> damnit
[6:20] <genewitch> not r
[6:21] <genewitch> hehe
[6:21] <clever> then that was basicaly the same as yanking the power cord
[6:21] <genewitch> may have to check the files again
[6:21] <clever> sysrq is the linux form of ctrl+alt+del
[6:21] <clever> but it actualy works more often
[6:21] <genewitch> yeah, i could type on terminal 1 but 2-8 no keypresses registered
[6:21] <clever> i have had windows systems do absolutely nothing when i hit ctrl+alt+del
[6:21] <clever> so i hit it 30 more times, nothing
[6:21] <clever> i hit a bunch more, nothing
[6:21] <clever> then 300 task managers open
[6:22] <Kealper> lol
[6:22] <genewitch> new errors at least
[6:22] <clever> i miss the days when ctrl+alt+del actualy halted the os and gave you a menu (win 95/98)
[6:22] <clever> xp and onward do it in a more system friendly manner, but when the crap hits the fan, it just sucks :P
[6:23] <clever> you know its truely going to override problems, when even the sound card starts looping the audio buffer
[6:24] <Kealper> that's about the point you just give up and hold the power button down, hoping for the best
[6:24] <clever> na, with windows 95/98, thats what ctrl+alt+del did, and it was almost better
[6:24] <clever> instead of spawning a new process on a possibly crippled system
[6:25] <clever> it just suspended EVERYTHING
[6:25] <genewitch> http://projectftm.com/index.php?5aebeb different error message, same error (5)
[6:25] <clever> pause!
[6:25] <Kealper> genewitch: and you have both i2c lines in config.txt?
[6:25] <clever> genewitch: hmmm, i usualy jump right to the big hammer, strace!
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[6:26] <genewitch> yes and lsmod shows it2c_dev and the other
[6:26] <clever> sudo strace python ....
[6:26] <genewitch> i2c_bcm2708
[6:26] <Kealper> hmm
[6:27] <clever> ah, that will work better, the lid from a tin of chocolates
[6:27] <clever> better heatsink then a solid hunk of metal with a high thermal mass
[6:30] <flyback> clever, bmcc
[6:30] <flyback> LTNS
[6:30] <flyback> EH-HOLE
[6:30] <clever> flyback: trying to recover from a 2nd failed hdd, for some reason 3 of my systems decided to start dropping like flies
[6:31] <flyback> hi
[6:31] <flyback> what are you using to pull data?
[6:31] <clever> currently, ddrescue
[6:31] <flyback> good choice
[6:31] <clever> 45gig out of 80gig copied, zero errors
[6:31] <flyback> make sure you use the logfile
[6:31] <clever> yep
[6:31] <clever> oddly, it complained right at mount time before, io errors in the JS journal
[6:31] <clever> worst place, lol
[6:31] <flyback> i've saved more customer shit over the yrs with that tool that I can remember
[6:31] <clever> but ddrescue has yet to hit a bad sector
[6:32] <clever> i expect the fs to be capable of repairing the damage if the sector just comes back blank
[6:32] <flyback> well there's a new tool
[6:32] <flyback> that tells you what is in bad spots
[6:33] <flyback> so you know if you need to keep fighting
[6:33] <genewitch> wow this makes no sense
[6:33] <flyback> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ddrutility/
[6:33] <clever> flyback: i was able to force mount it with -o norecovery, and it had some IO errors backing up torrent session files
[6:33] <clever> minor stuff
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[6:34] <clever> have yet to hit anything major, but there are just so many files, where do i start with recovery?
[6:34] <clever> image the whole thing!!
[6:34] <flyback> you have to
[6:34] <flyback> but it's the best way to work on a dyign hd
[6:34] <flyback> less stress on it
[6:34] <clever> smartctl says the hdd is perfectly fine
[6:34] <clever> and i suspect it will re-allocate the bad sectors if i write to them
[6:34] <clever> but xfs cant do recovery when the journal comes back with a read error, so it just stops there
[6:35] <genewitch> evidently i can break my pi if i wire 5v on breakout to 5v on the pi
[6:35] <clever> and to make things even more 'fun', that dead hdd was my BNC box
[6:35] <clever> so now my irc client is crippled
[6:35] <Kealper> genewitch: so i'm reading
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[6:36] <MrCurious> clever?
[6:36] <clever> yes?
[6:36] <flyback> clever,
[6:36] <MrCurious> sorry, just pinging... continue where you were...
[6:36] <genewitch> i2cdetect -y 1 only shows "UU" in slot 3b
[6:36] <flyback> image it before you attempt any repairs
[6:36] <genewitch> nothing in slot 77
[6:37] <flyback> #1 rule of data recovery
[6:37] <flyback> DO
[6:37] <flyback> NOT
[6:37] <flyback> FUCKING TRY TO FIX
[6:37] <flyback> THE DYIGN SOURCE
[6:37] <genewitch> spinrite
[6:37] <flyback> no spintie is garbage
[6:37] <genewitch> yeah its never worked
[6:37] <clever> flyback: this drive seems fairly solid, the other drive is the one thats totaly ruined
[6:37] <flyback> it was a good idea when drives were less complex
[6:37] <clever> 100% seek error rate, not a single sector reads back
[6:37] <flyback> what brand'
[6:38] <flyback> dead head probably or the whole stack
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[6:38] <clever> flyback: let me see
[6:38] <flyback> if it's wd you are canucked, canuck
[6:38] <genewitch> huh, i pulled EOC and XCLR wires out and now it shows up
[6:38] <clever> seagate is what just recently failed, so far ddrescue has hit 28kb of errors
[6:38] <clever> let me find the other disk
[6:38] <flyback> seagate have a serial console :)
[6:38] <genewitch> oh xlcr is a trigger. duh. i read the spec sheet i swear to god
[6:38] <genewitch> derp
[6:39] <genewitch> totally 100% my dumbass fault 100% of the way
[6:39] <genewitch> :-D
[6:39] <clever> flyback: dang, somebody cleaned up again, its missing, just like the volt meter
[6:39] <Kealper> lol
[6:40] <flyback> it's possible to do head stack replacments on some brands but not WD for sure
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[6:40] <clever> oh, there it is under a CD
[6:40] <clever> yep, its WD
[6:40] <clever> caviar
[6:40] <flyback> how old
[6:40] <clever> pata, not sata
[6:41] <clever> maybe 10-11 years
[6:41] <flyback> OH IT Might predate the time where you can't do head stack swaps anymore without a tool
[6:41] <clever> model wd2500jb-55rea0
[6:41] <genewitch> hey everything's working except my altitude is incorrect. time to put this thing in a light-proof box!
[6:41] <genewitch> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f
[6:41] <genewitch> http://projectftm.com/index.php?9d8fcc@raw
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[6:42] <clever> flyback: but i would still have to find an identical model wont i?
[6:42] <flyback> yes and model means little
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[6:42] <Kealper> genewitch: nice :O
[6:42] <flyback> you have to match subrevision
[6:42] <clever> flyback: smartctl, sticker, or some custom tool?
[6:43] <flyback> sticker
[6:43] <flyback> lemme find quide
[6:44] <flyback> oh dammit these do have the alignment issue
[6:44] <flyback> you might be able to get it to read out using a screwdriver carefully weighed out on the head acid
[6:44] <flyback> axis
[6:44] <flyback> see wd did this thing where the axis is attached to lid as well as base
[6:45] <flyback> so if you loosen the lid it kills the alignment
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[6:45] <clever> platters dont seem to be on the lid
[6:45] <clever> but the heads might be
[6:45] <flyback> http://datarecoverydonors.com/pages/western-digiatal-pcb-match-guide
[6:45] <flyback> no the head axis
[6:45] <flyback> the shaft the head pivots on
[6:46] <clever> yeah, there is a sticker about where the head arm pivot would be
[6:46] <flyback> And NEVER TOUCH THE PLATTER SCREWS
[6:46] <clever> and a divet under it
[6:46] <genewitch> oh man, this bosch sensor is dead on, i verified everywhere
[6:46] <flyback> NEVER
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[6:46] <flyback> UNLESS IT'S A SINGLE platter disc
[6:46] <flyback> if you loosen those not even the nsa will get shit off
[6:46] <clever> its fairly thick
[6:46] <genewitch> it shows 30.099 InHg (1019.28hPa) and my outdoor barometer shows 30.06
[6:46] <clever> lol
[6:46] <flyback> because of the way the signals are writtne down thru
[6:46] <genewitch> that's pretty awesome
[6:46] <flyback> www.hddguru.com
[6:46] <flyback> clever, http://datarecoverydonors.com/pages/western-digiatal-pcb-match-guide
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[6:47] <clever> flyback: is it interleaving data between each platter?
[6:47] <flyback> something like that I guess
[6:47] <flyback> also on modern disk
[6:47] <flyback> there's a rom that stores engine tuning data
[6:47] <flyback> called adaptive parameters
[6:47] <clever> ive seen some high level stuff for recovering data from vinel records, HD camera recording the grooves
[6:47] <Kealper> genewitch: makes me kind of want one lol
[6:47] <flyback> it's unique to each unit off the line
[6:47] <clever> then digitaly photoshoping the scratches out
[6:47] <flyback> sol you have to swap that
[6:47] <clever> and computing the sound the groove makes
[6:47] <flyback> yeah those have very wide tracks
[6:48] <flyback> easy to do
[6:48] <clever> in theory, could you scan the hdd at a sub-bit level, to create a complete virtual image of it
[6:48] <clever> and then just brute-force the alignment in software post processing?
[6:48] <genewitch> Kealper: it's gunna be awesome to have a DHT and this BMP085 in the same area
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[6:48] <clever> seems like the NSA thing to do :P
[6:48] <flyback> clever, no really
[6:48] <genewitch> spinrite basically does that
[6:48] <flyback> every model, brand etc has their own scret grey code etc
[6:48] <clever> id think the NSA could get that out of WD, lol
[6:48] <genewitch> it can average damaged bits on repeated reads and figure out if they're supposed to be 1 or 0
[6:48] <flyback> genewitch, it's fucking suicidal to write to a dying source
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[6:49] <genewitch> flyback: spinrite reads not writes
[6:49] <flyback> WROTE
[6:49] <flyback> WRONG
[6:49] <clever> flyback: i have a feeling that this hasnt died, there was a series of power outages today
[6:49] <genewitch> it's a last ditch imaging tool
[6:49] <flyback> it writes back to the drive
[6:49] <clever> and when the power did come back on, it barely hit 100 vac
[6:49] <flyback> you are wrong sir
[6:49] <genewitch> you can tell it to write to a dot matrix printer if you want
[6:49] <clever> rescued: 77877 MB, errsize: 4096 B, current rate: 0 B/s
[6:49] <clever> ipos: 59593 MB, errors: 1, average rate: 33069 kB/s
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[6:49] <genewitch> anyhow buy a UPS and spindle failures go away
[6:49] <flyback> nice
[6:49] <clever> only one sector lost
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[6:50] <genewitch> you hand typed that?
[6:50] <flyback> clever,
[6:50] <genewitch> ipos rofl
[6:50] <flyback> do not fight for that sector
[6:50] <flyback> till the first pass it done
[6:50] <clever> it already finished the first pass
[6:50] <clever> and just quit
[6:50] <flyback> you can end up killing the drive and you have nothing
[6:50] <clever> it was 28kb error size, it skipped it
[6:50] <clever> then when it hit the end, it went back and got 90% of the skipped stuff
[6:50] <flyback> ok good
[6:50] <clever> i think its finished now
[6:51] <flyback> you can add --max-retries=
[6:51] <clever> re-run with same input, output, and log?
[6:51] <flyback> yes
[6:51] <clever> ddrescue: unrecognized option '--max-retries=5'
[6:51] <flyback> wtf
[6:51] <clever> GNU ddrescue 1.18.1
[6:51] <flyback> uh
[6:51] <flyback> wtf
[6:52] <clever> i have had similar wtf moments a few years ago, ls said -h was an unknown option
[6:52] <flyback> no tha is very recent
[6:52] <flyback> are you sure you used two dashes then 1
[6:52] <clever> turns out, -h being invalid on ls, was a userland rootkit
[6:52] <flyback> --max-retres=1
[6:52] <clever> yep, 2 and 1
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[6:52] <clever> localhost ~ # time ddrescue --max-retries=5 /dev/xvdb /media/videos/15tb/c2d/raw_img.xfs /media/videos/15tb/c2d/rescue.log
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[6:53] <flyback> WTF
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[6:53] <clever> --help shows a --retry-passes
[6:53] <flyback> they must have just changed the syntax
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[6:54] <clever> [11819.975837] Buffer I/O error on device xvdb, logical block 14549193
[6:54] <clever> yep, actualy getting errors in the kernel now
[6:54] <flyback> add --direct
[6:54] <clever> its a paravirtual guest
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[6:54] <flyback> the source is?
[6:55] <clever> mounting the corrupt xfs with -o norecovery managed to fry the kernel once already
[6:55] <clever> so i isolated it in a second kernel
[6:55] <clever> usb sata adapter plugged into the xen host
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[6:55] <clever> and xen is forwarding the whole block device to the paravirtual guest, smartctl doesnt work from inside the guest
[6:56] <clever> actualy, not the whole device, just one partition
[6:56] <flyback> don't use usb to adaptors for ddrescue
[6:56] <flyback> theyd on't handle errors right
[6:56] <flyback> and you shouldn't use a vm or even a normal box
[6:56] <flyback> just setup something in the corner
[6:57] <genewitch> gunna verify the altitude setting
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[6:57] <clever> the power connectors on this PSU are abnormaly stiff, it feels like it needs a hammer to get it in
[6:57] <clever> and both hdd docks on the front are required, one has linux and the other has the paravirt root
[6:57] <clever> so theres no safe way to power the drive up, enless i use the external power brick and an internal sata port
[6:57] <clever> which just doesnt feel safe
[6:58] <genewitch> why not
[6:58] <genewitch> it's not like power goes over the sata line
[6:59] <clever> the grounds may not be at the same level
[6:59] <clever> is the brick isolated properly?
[6:59] <genewitch> the hdd is grounded to the chassis, and black isn't ground anyhow
[6:59] <clever> the hdd is sitting on a spare computer chair
[6:59] <clever> what chassis?
[7:00] <genewitch> spare computer chair sounds like static cling
[7:00] <clever> its too humid for that
[7:00] <clever> it was more of an overheating issue, it got up to 50c
[7:01] <clever> then i sandwhiched it between a counterweight and the lid from a tin of chocolates, its down to 39 now
[7:01] <clever> somebody keeps cleaning up, now i cant find the heatsink i had laying around
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[7:05] <genewitch> So why's my RPi not shut down cleanly?
[7:06] <genewitch> and the altitude reading is way off on this sensor, bummer
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[7:39] <genewitch> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009A525QS is the sensor, i am sure it can be had for less money
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[8:12] <clever> Triffid_Hunter: well, it took 4 hours, but i finaly found my dead-bug photo, https://www.dropbox.com/s/qmd15mq85scjs19/PIC_0029.JPG?dl=0
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[8:12] <clever> it was on dropbox the whole time, lol
[8:12] <clever> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wibapz9znins0cm/PIC_0026.JPG?dl=0 better closeup, but with less wires
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[8:44] <LoneElf> Anybody here ever do remote debugging of shared objects on the RPI though eclipse?
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[12:15] <lost_and_unfound> greetings, I have ownloaded and booted with the latest version of NOOBS. However the network I am connected on requires static IP and does not support DHCP. So it is unable to continue the install. I have assigned a manual IP in command line via ifconfig and added DNS and routes, but the Install and Edit config options stay greyed out. Any suggestion to resolve this?
[12:19] <CoJaBo> lost_and_unfound: try checking the connection with ping and wget?
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[12:19] <lost_and_unfound> CoJaBo: connection can successfully ping LAN and WAN ip's as well as resolve DNS names
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[12:52] <ShorTie> 'stay greyed out' is that in NOOBS ??
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[12:55] <cyanide> does the pi2 have a switching regulator or linear regulator?
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[12:58] <pksato> both
[12:58] <cyanide> as in?
[12:59] <pksato> main 5v to 3v3 is smps.
[12:59] <cyanide> and to 1.8 is linear?
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[13:00] <cyanide> man freenode needs to have some sort of ip masking by default
[13:00] <cyanide> lol
[13:01] <pksato> like other devices, rpi uses many voltages, some are from linear and other switched.
[13:03] <pksato> and, not released a rpi2 shematics.
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[13:03] <cyanide> actually they have, i believe
[13:03] <cyanide> brb
[13:04] <cyanide> http://www.raspberrypi.org/model-b-revision-2-0-schematics/
[13:04] <cyanide> sorry wrong one
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[13:06] <cyanide> guess not
[13:07] <pksato> this is of rpi model B (not rpi2 or B+)
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[13:07] <cyanide> yes, true
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[13:11] <cyanide> cool, spi ethernet modules are supported
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[13:15] <ShorTie> cyanide, freenode has ipmasking, not by default, you just gotta ask for it
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[14:15] <lost_and_unfound> ShorTie: yes, the "Install" and "Edit config" buttons are greyed out and not clickable
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[14:17] <Tenkawa> hows the world of the pi 2?
[14:18] <Tenkawa> I'm still trying to acquire 1(or more) here
[14:19] <Encapsulation> It's overpriced! I want to buy one but they are around 50 on ebay and pi1 is 35
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[14:19] <Encapsulation> It's supposed to be 35
[14:20] <ozzzy> so buy one from Element14
[14:20] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: yeah I'm thinking about it.. apparently they are here in state... if I had realized that before...
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[14:21] <Tenkawa> I never realized where E14 was based until my friend pointed it out
[14:21] <ozzzy> they're all over the place
[14:21] <Lartza> ozzzy: since when do they sell to individuals?
[14:21] <ozzzy> ummmm.... always?
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[14:22] <Lartza> I managed to get the first model b now they ask if I am a company and then redirect to local resellers
[14:22] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: but they are based 30 miles from here.. it was just ironic
[14:22] <ozzzy> well... I bought 2 Bs from them and 2 Pi2s
[14:24] <Lartza> I just get redirected to their list of resellers
[14:24] * ozzzy got 2 from them a few days ago
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[14:25] <Lartza> I bought my B Rev 2 from a local store and ordered the Pi 2 from Germany
[14:26] <Tenkawa> out of stock at e14.. checking mcm
[14:26] <Lartza> Should have bought one at launch I got mine easily :)
[14:27] <Lartza> Though at least 50 euros due to case and shipping
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[14:28] <ozzzy> Tenkawa, they were out when I ordered.... they shipped in 3 days
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[14:28] <Lartza> They are produced all the time so yeah
[14:29] <Tenkawa> man mcm wants too much for shipping
[14:29] <Tenkawa> they almost double it for each added item
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[14:32] <ozzzy> why does everyone bitch about shipping.... it amazes me
[14:33] <Armand> ^ I bitch about shipping AND tax..
[14:33] <ozzzy> I like tax and I understand that shipping is a part of life
[14:33] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: because 30-40 $ shipping for a 80$ order and I'm less than 50 miles away is a bit much
[14:33] <Armand> Mostly tax. :P
[14:33] <cyanide> don't they allow local pickups?
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[14:33] <Tenkawa> cyanide: I'm going to be calling and checking o that
[14:34] <cyanide> and there's no reason why you should be paying 40 bucks on shipping imo
[14:34] <Yohio> I can spend a couple of minutes trying to save $.20 on ebay, I'm weird like that
[14:34] <cyanide> that probably includes a handling charge which is rubbish
[14:34] <Tenkawa> well if it were for like 10-15 items I could see paying that no problem
[14:34] <cyanide> unless that 80 bucks is raw iron
[14:34] <Tenkawa> but for 2 items it is just a bit much
[14:35] <ozzzy> some people will burn through 1/8 of a tank of gas to save a dollar at the pumps too
[14:35] <Tenkawa> indeed
[14:35] <ozzzy> tell them to ship USPS
[14:35] <cyanide> werd
[14:35] <Tenkawa> if they are shipping me 200 lbs of something they should be getting more money for shipping
[14:35] <cyanide> i assume you're ordering some electronics stuff?
[14:35] <Tenkawa> cyanide: rpi units
[14:36] <Tenkawa> just 2-3 of them
[14:36] <Tenkawa> heh
[14:36] <cyanide> lol
[14:36] <ozzzy> we got an order from Spain.... a small box (not much bigger than 2 Pis) would have cost ~$100 via UPS or FedEx.... $17 by Canada Post
[14:36] <cyanide> ive had manufacturers ship samples to me internationally for free
[14:37] <cyanide> apples to oranges, but still
[14:37] <ozzzy> if a company doesn't have flat-rate shipping I won't order from the US unless they ship USPS
[14:38] <cyanide> the funny thing is that the chinese can manage to sell a cable for 0.99 and include free shipping while a us-based seller will sell the same thing for 2.99
[14:38] <cyanide> lol
[14:38] <cyanide> the product is the same, not made in usa
[14:38] <ozzzy> cyanide, have you looked at the china post rates?
[14:38] <cyanide> haha. they haven't heard of a number larger than 0
[14:38] <cyanide> lol
[14:39] <cyanide> but yeah i get your point
[14:39] <cyanide> only issue is the delays
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[14:39] <ozzzy> I got a part from china that showed 0.38 on the label.... I took it into the post office and asked how much to send it back to HK... would have been $16
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[14:40] <pksato> china gov subsidized shippement rates.
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[14:40] <ozzzy> I love ordering from China Inc.
[14:41] <ozzzy> got two sets of PCB drill bits just yesterday
[14:41] <ozzzy> probably another 5 orders of stuff on the way
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[14:42] <ali1234> the problem with buying stuff from china is customs will open your package and lose half the bits
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[14:42] <Yohio> sometimes you also lose the whole package, but nearly every seller will refund you
[14:42] <Lartza> That has not happened to me so far
[14:43] <Lartza> Neither of those
[14:43] <ozzzy> the only problems I've had are a few fake ftdi chips
[14:43] <Yohio> I've ordered around 40 things from china in the last 6 months, and I lost two packages and one took very long
[14:43] <Lartza> My only problem is taxes on orders over 22 euros
[14:43] <ozzzy> I've never had any taxes charged
[14:44] <Lartza> I've never ordered over the tax rate due to the rate
[14:44] <Yohio> I ordered a Gamecube controller from play-asia and it cost me 36e, they marked it down to $26.5 which was just under 22e back then
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[14:44] <Yohio> Finland is really picky with customs, they take most of the stuff in if it's _not_ from China
[14:45] <Lartza> Yeah :D
[14:45] <Yohio> Chinese stuff seems to avoid customs pretty well though, mostly due to wrong information on the package
[14:45] <Lartza> Though I've still not had a problem with that
[14:45] <Lartza> I just take it in to account when ordering
[14:45] <Yohio> the only thing I've had to pay the tax on was an MP3 player from Israel, which was around 35e
[14:46] <Lartza> Actually they might not even look at the customs declaration
[14:46] <Lartza> I bought something for like 80 euros from the US
[14:46] <Lartza> Then just 24% VAT but I had that in mind beforehand
[14:47] <Lartza> And the filing process is fast and the package got released quickly
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[15:01] <thescatman__> guys what os would you suggest for a pi 2, for simple projects for someone who sucks at using linux?
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[15:01] <H__> I would still advise raspbian
[15:01] <thescatman__> Not sure if raspbian's what I'm looking for or if it performs well wit the pi 2
[15:01] <thescatman__> alright
[15:02] <H__> i have no data on raspbian and the rpi2 yet
[15:02] <therion23> raspbian performs quite well with the Pi 2
[15:02] <Lartza> It's still armv6 right?...
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[15:02] <therion23> nopes, v7
[15:02] <therion23> but fully backwards compatible
[15:03] <Lartza> How is that even possible
[15:03] <kn1ght> I second raspbian. Migrated to Pi 2 directly from my B+ SD card quite easily and enjoy the speedup.
[15:03] <therion23> theres not a lot of variation in the ARM instruction sets
[15:03] <thescatman__> therion23: is raspbian fully optimised for the pi 2 yet?
[15:04] <Lartza> So armv6 can run armv7 binaries?
[15:04] <therion23> yeah, i took my card straight from an old B and put into the 2
[15:04] <therion23> no, but v7 can run v6
[15:04] <thescatman__> kn1ght: is it a ton faster then?
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[15:04] <Lartza> ... I was talking wether raspian is still v6 :D
[15:04] <therion23> thescatman__: it does multicore very beautifully
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[15:04] <thescatman__> therion23: awesome
[15:04] <kn1ght> thescatman__: haven't benchmarked it, but it is quite noticeable
[15:04] <thescatman__> pi 1 performance in raspbian kinda put me off it
[15:05] <thescatman__> so I'll chuck it on there now
[15:05] <Lartza> thescatman__: It's not "fully optimized" in a sense but it's not big of a deal
[15:05] <therion23> Lartza: theres a specific kernel for v7 at least, which gets installed automagickally
[15:05] <thescatman__> as long as it's actually generally fast that's good
[15:05] <Lartza> therion23: Yeah that has been since Pi 2 release really
[15:06] <thescatman__> I need to do a project by tomorrow though which is the annoying thing, on the pi 2... (using a usb hard drive and pi camera, start a cctv kinda thing on boot) just using power
[15:06] <thescatman__> no ethernet etc
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[15:14] <Lartza> A powered hdd should work without a hub right?
[15:14] <thescatman__> Lartza / kn1ght do I get it from here? http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
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[15:15] <thescatman__> I thought that raspbian distro was for the pi 1 and there were differentones for the pi1 vs 2
[15:15] <Lartza> thescatman__: For raspbian no
[15:15] <thescatman__> Lartza: well it's only a 2.5" one, 5400rpm... so I hope so basicallyt
[15:15] <Lartza> I was asking for myself :P
[15:15] <thescatman__> Lartza: so that one should work for the pi 2?
[15:15] <Lartza> thescatman__: So wait 2.5, hdd
[15:16] <Lartza> USB only?
[15:16] <thescatman__> yeah
[15:16] <Lartza> powered hub?
[15:16] <thescatman__> i have a sata usb cable
[15:16] <thescatman__> no
[15:16] <Lartza> won't work
[15:16] <thescatman__> Lartza: will try it anyway, apparently some work some don;t :/
[15:17] <thescatman__> it spins up when plugged into the pi 1
[15:17] <Lartza> no skipping?
[15:17] <thescatman__> not worked out anything besides that yet
[15:17] <thescatman__> skipping?
[15:17] <Lartza> It sounds like it spins up repeatedly
[15:17] <Lartza> Kind of
[15:17] <thescatman__> no
[15:17] <Lartza> depends on the model really
[15:17] <Lartza> No harm trying but you might have power problems without a powered hub
[15:17] <thescatman__> it recognised it, I just had problems trying to mount it to the pi because I didn't know what i was doing lol
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[15:17] <thescatman__> yeah, that's what i heard
[15:18] <kn1ght> usb only gives you 500mA. Hdd needs depend on manufacturer, but it's usually more than double that.
[15:18] <Lartza> But yeah just get the raspbian from the downloads page
[15:18] <thescatman__> might get lucky though
[15:18] <thescatman__> alright :)
[15:18] <Lartza> almost every other distro is different for pi and pi 2 but not raspbian
[15:18] <thescatman__> so that's why I thought there were different distro's for the pi1 and 2 for raspbian
[15:18] <Lartza> So I am thinking of getting a 500GB HDD and a powered enclosure it should work straight with the Pi 2 right?
[15:18] <Lartza> No hub
[15:19] <kn1ght> that's peak power though. so you might be running fine, and at some point experience sudden restarts due to low power
[15:19] <linuxthefish> is 5 MB/s over SMB to an external HDD hosted on raspberry pi normal speed?
[15:19] <kn1ght> Lartza: that's what I have with a 1TB HDD
[15:19] <kn1ght> works nicely
[15:19] <Lartza> kn1ght: I was stupid and thought I need million cables with hub AND powered hdd but my friend just made me realize I don't :P
[15:19] <Lartza> I was hunting for 2,5 drives because of that
[15:20] <Lartza> but there's a cheap 500GB 3,5" available now
[15:20] <kn1ght> :D Just juice up the HDD and you're set
[15:20] <Lartza> Yeah :)
[15:20] <Lartza> Awesome
[15:20] <thescatman__> yeah I got an enclosure coming in the mail, but it's not a plug socket powered one
[15:20] <Lartza> USB and sd are a bit bad on desktop usage and media also takes space
[15:22] <therion23> are there any particular reasons that the rpi download page doesn't have Arch anymore?
[15:23] <Lartza> Conspiracy!
[15:23] <kn1ght> Lartza: that's why I kinda like the sexy eMMC socket on the Odroid C1
[15:25] <therion23> just wondering .. maybe someone got into a disagreement of sorts
[15:25] <therion23> or maybe arch doesnt run on the 2 yet or something
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[15:29] <kn1ght> therion23: as long as the ARMv7 kernel is on and compatible, the userland should run fine.
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[15:30] <therion23> oh, heh, the last official Arch image doesn't even support the B+ (USB driver too old)
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[15:32] <kn1ght> I see a test on the Pi 2 with a Kernel 3.18.6-2-ARCH (armv7l)
[15:33] <therion23> yeah but that must be from a nightly image
[15:34] <therion23> the last official install image is from June last year, so i guess that is why they removed the link
[15:34] <kn1ght> but the test is of a zip compression, so no idea if any peripherals (USB) are working or not
[15:34] <therion23> if you install it on a plain B and pacman your way up to date it should work
[15:34] <kn1ght> oh well :) I'm happy with raspbian for now
[15:35] <kn1ght> any of you overclocking, and to how much?
[15:36] <therion23> my 2 runs at 1000 and my B at 800 .. not much, im playing it safe
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[15:43] <tacoexe> any word on when mcm is going to get more pi 2's?
[15:43] <tacoexe> :p
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[15:44] <Turingi> hello, any idea if there is a linux library for "bit banging" a USB client with mass storage device?
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[15:53] <therion23> question is if the Pi 2 will renew peoples interest in porting Android
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[15:58] <kn1ght> Turingi: not sure if sufficient middle-man library exists, but libusb is available for the pi
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[16:31] <antiPosix> can someone please paste (or pastebin) the output of /proc/cpuinfo from a raspberry pi 2 model b?
[16:32] <cyanide> wait for 2 days, mine's on the way :p
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[16:36] <BurtyB> antiPosix, http://pastebin.com/daVrL1DU
[16:36] <leio> antiPosix: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7699066.html#7699066
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[16:41] <maxamillion> anyone happen to know if the RaspberryPi2 has a UHS SD slot or is it still class10? all I can find is 'MicroSD' and that's not very telling
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[16:44] <cehteh> is there a difference in the slot?
[16:44] <maxamillion> cehteh: SD card speed
[16:44] <cehteh> all i can tell is that it wont max out any faster SDcard anyways
[16:44] <maxamillion> cehteh: 10mbps vs 30mbps (pending UHS Class 3)
[16:45] <cehteh> i got 20mb/sec with ext4 .. now i have full disc encryption and btrfs and i get only 10mb/sec
[16:45] <maxamillion> oh, interesting
[16:45] <maxamillion> what SD card?
[16:46] <antiPosix> thank you BurtyB and leio: this brought a tear of joy to my eyes
[16:46] <cehteh> sandisk ultra U1
[16:46] <cehteh> the ones with 48mb/sec advertized
[16:47] <cehteh> so dont expect too much from faster sdcards
[16:47] <antiPosix> my RaspberryPi2 is on the way as well... Need to wait till April 2nd, it was out of stock and back ordered
[16:47] <cehteh> with the pi 1 one of the very first batches and some manual kernel hacking and overclocking i got more than 25mb/sec but i doubt you can go much faster
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[16:48] <antiPosix> hopefully by then(April 2nd) the OSMC will have ironed out some things to make full use of the 4 cores and the additional memory
[16:48] <maxamillion> cehteh: awesome, thanks for the info
[16:48] <leio> OSMC?
[16:49] <antiPosix> XBMC/Kodi/OSMC (Open Source Media Center)
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[16:49] <SpeedEvil> I wish you could buy 'indistrual' SDs with enhanced reliability
[16:49] <cehteh> on the bright side: iperf reported here that i can satuate the 100mbit ethernet (got 98mbit) which is pretty amazing
[16:49] <leio> I don't see what they could be doing there at all
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[16:50] <leio> I just see that now the small CPU usage to drive the VC for video could be on one core, and complex surround sound decoding (which I've seen take 80% CPU on rpi1) on the other
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[16:50] <leio> more interesting to make use of neon in software audio decoding and such
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[16:51] <leio> which is probably just about having ffmpeg do it
[16:51] <leio> for which there's code, just the build needs to have it enabled
[16:51] <cehteh> anyone of you have artifacts in oxmplayer too, is that a firmware or oxmplayer issue or just incompatible encoding?
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[16:51] <cehteh> (omxplayer?)
[16:51] * leio does gstreamer, not omxplayer)
[16:51] <antiPosix> currently Raspbmc burrows some of the main board memory for the GPU. the additional 512MB will be nice
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[16:52] <cehteh> leio: can you give be a ready to use commandline which i can try?
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[16:52] <leio> gst-play-1.0 <whatever>
[16:52] <cehteh> ok
[16:52] <leio> but it's in some extra utils package on debians
[16:52] <cehteh> oh .. have to boot the pi :D
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[16:54] <cehteh> unlocking a dmcrypted partition takes ages .. i should reduce the hashing rounds :D
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[17:30] <aberrant> hi all
[17:31] <aberrant> I downloaded snappy but the zipfile extracts to a .cpgz file, which in turn extracts to a cpio archive. How do I get the .img?
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[17:31] <ShorTie> snappy ??
[17:32] <ShorTie> got a link maybe ??
[17:32] <cehteh> cpio t <cpioarchive will list its contents btw
[17:33] <aberrant> snappy is snappy ubuntu core
[17:33] <cehteh> cpio sounds like a initrd
[17:33] <ShorTie> oh
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[17:34] <aberrant> it’s not - it’s an ancient backup / transfer format
[17:34] <pksato> 2015-02-02-pi-snappy.zip ?
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[17:35] <cehteh> its not ancient, actually its POSIX standard and only gnu ditched it in favor for tars
[17:35] <cehteh> sounds like meant that initrd'd are also cpio's
[17:36] <aberrant> pksato: 2015-02-03-pi-snappy.zip
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[17:36] <pksato> yes... downloading...
[17:36] <aberrant> cehteh: I was using cpio to write to tape back in the mid ‘80s :)
[17:36] <pksato> or not...
[17:36] <aberrant> check the date
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[17:36] <aberrant> but I get a zip file. What then?
[17:37] <MustBeLucky> just got my pi 2 :)
[17:37] <aberrant> if I unzip it it turns into a cpgz
[17:37] <MustBeLucky> what to do with it...?
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[17:37] <aberrant> MustBeLucky: install an OS and have fun
[17:37] <cehteh> there should be some documentation
[17:37] <MustBeLucky> :) right, i think ill mess around with win 10 first
[17:37] <cehteh> lol
[17:37] <aberrant> cehteh: nope
[17:38] <cehteh> well i have no interest in 'bunto
[17:39] <aberrant> ah
[17:39] <aberrant> http://itsras.blogspot.com/2013/02/os-x-daily-how-to-open-zip-file-that.html
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[17:39] <aberrant> bad md5sum
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[17:41] <aberrant> er, sha1
[17:42] <aberrant> will try the torrent this time
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[17:44] <cehteh> leio: gst has the same artifacts/errors as omxplayer
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[17:54] <MustBeLucky> can the pi power a external hard drive?
[17:54] <MustBeLucky> via usb?
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[17:59] <Encrypt> MustBeLucky, If your input power supply is powerful enough, yes
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[18:05] <cehteh> only if you circumvent the input fuse
[18:06] <PovAddict> there is an input fuse? can it blow or is it more like a current limiter?
[18:07] <Encrypt> PovAddict, It's resetable
[18:07] <Encrypt> The more current that flows in, the hotter it becomes
[18:07] <Encrypt> Once it is "too hot", it almost stops the current
[18:08] <Encrypt> When it cools down, it works again
[18:08] <Encrypt> As if nothing happened
[18:08] <Encrypt> PovAddict, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resettable_fuse
[18:08] <aberrant> got it
[18:08] <aberrant> safari was corrupting the download for some reason
[18:08] <cehteh> i guess with enough work you can stil blow it off
[18:09] <cehteh> old pi's had 180mA fuses at each USB port, that was pita, i bridged them :D
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[18:11] <Encrypt> cehteh, Which one?
[18:11] <cehteh> first ones, cant remember exactly, but the fuses are big you can easily see them on the pcb
[18:12] <cehteh> http://www.petervis.com/Raspberry_PI/Raspberry_Pi_Dead/Raspberry_Pi_Fuse/Raspberry_Pi_Fuse.gif the green thing
[18:12] <MustBeLucky> thanks encrypt
[18:13] <Encrypt> You're welcome
[18:13] <cehteh> http://www.pridopia.co.uk/images/rs-pi-v1-v2-doc01.jpg
[18:13] <Encrypt> Yep
[18:13] <Encrypt> I was looking for F1 and F2
[18:13] <MustBeLucky> just read cehteh's posts
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[18:13] <Encrypt> I can't find them on teh board
[18:13] <Encrypt> cehteh, That is pretty fun: http://raspmap.everpi.net/
[18:14] <MustBeLucky> cehteh is that the case with the Pi 2's.... the fuse i mean
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[18:14] <MustBeLucky> oh lol
[18:14] <MustBeLucky> just saw pic, no fuse :)
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[18:15] <cehteh> my first pi was one of the first or second batch
[18:15] <Encrypt> MustBeLucky, It is different on the Pi2
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[18:16] <cehteh> pi2 has only a input fuse, i havent checked what it is rated
[18:16] <cehteh> 1100mA :)
[18:16] <IT_Sean> 14.1 Jijjiwatts :p
[18:17] <Encrypt> I heard that you can set two different current values
[18:17] <cehteh> maybe, i havent investigated that
[18:17] <NGC3982> 1A1! \o/
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[18:18] <Encrypt> Hum, I must be wrong
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[18:18] <cehteh> 140mA was just way too low, anything above 500mA works for me, and i wont power a external harddrive from the usb ports
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[18:18] <NGC3982> I would never power a Pi under 2A.
[18:18] <cehteh> or rather i have a huge external harddrive which comes with its own power supply, but never tried it on the pi
[18:18] <omfgtora> 1400mA and 500mA? that is really low
[18:19] <omfgtora> and this is a pi2?
[18:19] <omfgtora> you should have at least 1500mA
[18:19] <NGC3982> Speaking of, i did a little experiment on how much power already-powered devices pull from the Pi when used.
[18:19] <cehteh> read above, old pi
[18:19] <omfgtora> oh i read incorrectly
[18:19] <NGC3982> A 400GB Western Digital Black external hard drive (with it's own power supply) used >|200mA from the Pi when connected, even though it used it's own supply.
[18:20] <PovAddict> huh
[18:20] <NGC3982> I never measured if that was some black moon magic backwards current, or if the hard drive actually used that much power by design.
[18:20] <cehteh> i see no point in connecting (big) external drives, considering the reliability of the usb drivers, usb to sata connectors and bandwidth you can get
[18:21] <NGC3982> Indeed.
[18:21] <NGC3982> I see the Pi as a client.
[18:21] <cehteh> as i saied before, iperf showed that the pi2 can at least max out the 100mbit ethernet
[18:21] <cehteh> thats good enough
[18:22] <flyback> NC cut the vcc pin on the usb port
[18:22] <flyback> wire to a protection ic if it doesn't have one already
[18:22] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: I question if still in a proper case it'll not be more reliable than microsd
[18:22] <flyback> or just a fuse
[18:22] <flyback> if you are worried
[18:22] <Encrypt> <cehteh> i see no point in connecting (big) external drives // https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg :-°
[18:22] <cehteh> SpeedEvil: i read that the USB drivers have some issues, but i havent looked at that, i only have a small wireless keyboard attached, that works so far
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[18:23] <PovAddict> Encrypt: is the rpi connected to the printer too?
[18:23] <cehteh> Encrypt: when you google you find people trying to make a 4 drive raid/nas from a pi
[18:23] <flyback> also you can just leave the vcc pin off in some cases if you want to force devices to use external power
[18:23] <flyback> but MAKE SURE THE GRD IS ATTACHED
[18:23] <Encrypt> PovAddict, Yes
[18:23] <Encrypt> I can print from any computer in my house
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[18:24] <Encrypt> cehteh, Why not? :p
[18:24] <Encrypt> I had this kind of idea too :p
[18:24] <flyback> actually easier thing to do is to take a usb extension cord and cut the vcc wire
[18:24] <Encrypt> But I can't get faster than 3.5MB/s
[18:24] <Encrypt> That's a shame :/
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[18:24] <cehteh> because its slow and you wont save any considerable money because the drive enclosures + pi cost as much or more than a cheap atom board with 4x sata
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: that too.
[18:25] <NGC3982> Isn't that the first revelation of Pi experimentation?
[18:25] <NGC3982> "Wow, 30 dollars.. and wow, 120 dollars in other stuff".
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: and save not much power at all
[18:25] <Encrypt> x)
[18:25] <Encrypt> Dat troll
[18:25] <cehteh> not saying that atom is great, but for that purpose better than a pi for sure
[18:26] <Encrypt> The modularity of the Pi is something great actually
[18:26] <cehteh> the drives suck the most power anyway .. atom can be at 10W, pi is at 2.5W ...
[18:26] <flyback> heh
[18:26] <cehteh> drives are prolly 10W+ each
[18:26] <Encrypt> By the way, I spin off the hard drive when I don't need it
[18:27] <Encrypt> I mostly use it to backup data
[18:27] <flyback> Encrypt, be sure to balance that
[18:27] <cehteh> yes but you dont want to do that in a raid
[18:27] <flyback> make sure it's not cycling excessively, or it will hurt drive life
[18:27] <cehteh> having one big drive connected to the pi is not the best idea, but arguably ok in some cases
[18:28] <cehteh> but trying to make a 4 drive raid5 NAS is just wrong
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> cehteh: my i3 'desktop' is using 22W stock. With a 8 year old 80% PSU, the cheapest motherboard, a laptop drive, a SSD
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[18:29] <Encrypt> flyback, Well, I backup data once or twice a month
[18:29] <Encrypt> It must be ok
[18:30] <cehteh> i have a i5 as "data server" here with 8TB usable space on raid6, dmcache on a ssd etc .. never measured how much it takes, but i guess its bearable, considering its a haswell which is quite power efficient on idle
[18:30] <cehteh> most watts are prolly sucked by the 6 drives
[18:31] <cehteh> and another atom box with 3 drives as raid5, sometimes i regret to use atom for that, performance is quite low and no matter if it does much or if its idle atom almost always draws the same current
[18:32] <cehteh> still better for the job than a rpi :D
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[18:57] <WACOMalt> Hello folks. Anyone know of a really compact printer that works well with linux?
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[18:57] <WACOMalt> Trying to make a typewriter for my sister
[18:57] <WACOMalt> System will boot, open LibreWriter
[18:58] <WACOMalt> Need to be able to print, from something that fits in the shadow of a keyboard
[19:02] <qubitnerd> im quite interested in how you are going to implement a typewriter with a printer
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[19:04] <qubitnerd> you may have to mess with the firmware of the printer
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[19:12] <antiPosix> I'll bet there are some old serial port printers that should be pretty straight forward sending a character stream to
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[19:13] <antiPosix> granted their age would probably make them less than reliable and ink would probably be impossible to get, nevermind
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[19:14] <IT_Sean> WACOMalt: Adafruit sell a termal recipt printer that can easily be interfaced with a raspi.
[19:14] <IT_Sean> *thermal
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[19:15] <WACOMalt> antiPosix, I found the HP Deskjet 340, but it's LPT cable. I dont know how to get that into the Pi
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[19:23] <antiPosix> LPT to Serial
[19:23] <Datalink> WACOMalt, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=901904&gclid=CjwKEAiA3vamBRDJ1Lfwt5Pckw4SJAAdhnk2aZdLQD9amecCZ9ViuOY63Mm-UJsubg8QkHNAJ510gBoClQDw_wcB&Q=&is=REG&A=details
[19:23] <Datalink> or similar, there's about a thousand brands of these things out there
[19:23] <WACOMalt> Oh cool.Think there would be any issues with the drivers?
[19:24] <Datalink> it's been in the Linux kernel for years
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[19:26] <thescatman_> hey guys, I have an issue with this: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3
[19:26] <thescatman_> I'm nearly done, just have issues with this: Find copies of the following somewhere (other guides will show you) and place in build/release-linux-arm/baseq3: pak0.pk3, pak1.pk3, pak2.pk3, pak3.pk3, pak4.pk3, pak5.pk3, pak6.pk3, pak7.pk3, pak8.pk3
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[19:26] <thescatman_> Can't find these files or other guides that show it. any ideas?
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[19:27] <eggbeater> those are found on game install disks
[19:27] <eggbeater> I'm sure you can download them from somewhere too
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[19:28] <thescatman_> okay... I'll have a look.. :/
[19:28] <steve_rox> anyone ere know electronic component level stuff?
[19:28] <WACOMalt> thescatman_, the reason they dont link to them is to get them from anything other than your own disk of quake3, would be illegal for them to share with you
[19:28] <thescatman_> ah, ok
[19:29] <WACOMalt> But that should give you an idea the kind of places to go to look for them
[19:29] <thescatman_> yeah, I think I just found some, thanks
[19:29] <WACOMalt> good luck and thanks for that guide
[19:29] <WACOMalt> np
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[19:30] <steve_rox> i accedently put a voltage test meter over a Crystal Oscillator
[19:30] <steve_rox> i need to know if thats capible of killing it
[19:30] <eggbeater> thescatman_: no problem :)
[19:31] <steve_rox> brb
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[19:36] <thescatman_> eggbeater: If I am able to find pak files for a non-demo would that mean I could run the full Quake 3 on it, not the demo?
[19:36] <WACOMalt> yes.
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[19:37] <thescatman_> Awesome. thanks
[19:37] <WACOMalt> if you own the steam version of the game you can grab the pak files from that
[19:37] <WACOMalt> (or a normal retail one of course)
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[19:38] <WACOMalt> C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Quake 3 Arena\baseq3\
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[19:38] <thescatman_> If I did I would; I have quake 1 and 2 somewhere lol
[19:38] <thescatman_> time to acquire the game somewhere legally
[19:39] <WACOMalt> And youd want to copy ALL of the pk3 files there are, not just ones that are listed in the guide
[19:39] <WACOMalt> as the guide is probably using the demo pk3 files
[19:39] <thescatman_> pak*?
[19:39] <thescatman_> yeah that's what I thought
[19:39] <thescatman_> Not actually sure how I'd copy them from my PC to the pi though...
[19:39] <WACOMalt> flash drive?
[19:39] <IT_Sean> ^ sneakernet
[19:40] <WACOMalt> or set up a http server on your machine you downloaded from, download with wget on pi
[19:40] <WACOMalt> or
[19:40] <thescatman_> WACOMalt: If I were to copy them from a PC using windows, to the pi, using a flash drive wouldn't I have to do something weird
[19:40] <WACOMalt> nope
[19:40] <thescatman_> or could I just copy the files straight over
[19:40] <thescatman_> Cool
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[19:41] <WACOMalt> the pak.pk3 files are the same regardless of platform
[19:41] <IT_Sean> Well, you would have to sacrafice a goat to the Gods of Technology, but, other than that... ... ... ...
[19:41] <WACOMalt> which is nice :)
[19:41] <WACOMalt> I'm gonna install quake on my pi now too
[19:42] <breakingmatter> Anyone here using Raspberry Pis in a production environment? Like clustering and such?
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[19:43] <djazz> WACOMalt: have you tried OpenArena?
[19:43] <WACOMalt> I have on PC
[19:43] <djazz> its in the rpi store
[19:43] <WACOMalt> it's good, but when you own the original q3 you dhave no reason to play that :P
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[19:45] <djazz> WACOMalt: it comes with ioquake3.arm so you dont have to compile that
[19:46] <djazz> tried Tremulous?
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[19:46] <WACOMalt> p
[19:46] <WACOMalt> newp
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[19:46] <WACOMalt> my keyboard is really glitching out now...
[19:47] <WACOMalt> I need a decent cheap mechanical keyboard
[19:47] <thescatman_> cherry mx 3.0?
[19:47] <djazz> mechanical ftw
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[19:51] <WACOMalt> yeah probably cherry browns
[19:51] <WACOMalt> havent had a mechanical since my old IBM keyboard during windows 95 :X
[19:52] * djazz has browns
[19:52] <WACOMalt> I want it back
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[19:52] <WACOMalt> brb
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[19:55] <high-rez> I've kind of read conflicting information. Does anyone know, without any accessories plugged in, what the real current requirements are for a raspberry pi 2 are?
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[19:57] <pksato> probable, same or nea RPi 1. <750mA.
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[20:00] <high-rez> I'm experiencing instability that folks are saying is likely the result of the PS, which I'd get if it wasn't for the fact that I've tried three different power supplies (one rated at 1800ma, and two at 2000ma) which all work fine with my B+
[20:00] <high-rez> :/
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[20:01] <high-rez> I'm thinking to hook it up via gpio to my variable voltage bench PS just to close the door on that one.
[20:04] <thescatman_> Would this work WACOMalt ?
[20:04] <thescatman_> http://ioquake3.org/extras/patch-data/
[20:05] <thescatman_> or anyone, really... can't find quake 3 pak files anywhere really
[20:06] <PovAddict> try it
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[20:20] <WACOMalt> yeah should work
[20:23] <thescatman_> WACOMalt: There's only two PAK files on the quake 3 arena download I just got
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[20:24] <WACOMalt> yeah original game only had those. all additional paks came from updates
[20:24] <thescatman_> Ahh
[20:24] <WACOMalt> which that ioquake link thescatman_ shared would have the rest of
[20:24] <thescatman_> hmm
[20:24] <PovAddict> why are red and blue LEDs so bright and green ones aren't?
[20:25] <thescatman_> So I'll get the two pk3 files from the original quake 3 and the rest from IOquake... great, thanks.
[20:26] <WACOMalt> and overwrite with whatever is in the io link if there's and duplicates
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[20:27] <thescatman_> yeah... the original has 0 and 1
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[20:28] <thescatman_> IOquake jas 1 to 8
[20:28] <thescatman_> not actually sure if I should use 0...
[20:28] <WACOMalt> I think you should
[20:28] <WACOMalt> but test :)
[20:28] <thescatman_> ok :) thanks man
[20:28] <WACOMalt> I think 0 is the base game content. The others are characters and maps
[20:28] <WACOMalt> an dupdate content
[20:29] <thescatman_> holy shit pak0 is 500MB
[20:29] <thescatman_> yes that would make sense
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[20:37] <abnormal> did you see a ring over the dung?
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[20:37] * plugwash guesses in the original quake3 that 0 was the shareware content and 1 was the registered content
[20:37] <IT_Sean> thescatman_: please mind the language. Also, please change your username. Thanks.
[20:38] <abnormal> lol
[20:38] <WACOMalt> plugwash, good call, thats probably right
[20:38] <plugwash> (with the registered content building on top of the shareware content)
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[20:40] <Travis> hello . What's the amperage that a 4.3 TFT display would take to make it run?
[20:40] <Travis> I know it's 12VDC
[20:41] <IT_Sean> The display's datasheet should tell you.
[20:41] <Travis> It doesn't have one.
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[20:42] <Sonny_Jim> Then measure it
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[20:43] <WACOMalt> jeez, compiling FFMpeg from source on the pi takes forever T_T
[20:43] <WACOMalt> 2 hours so far
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[20:44] <PovAddict> pi1?
[20:44] <WACOMalt> yeah
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> I once hacked ioquake3 to create bots based on nicks in an IRC channel, you could then use a client to go into a multiplayer game and kick people from the channel by killing their bot in ioquake
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> Was good fun
[20:46] <WACOMalt> ok, that's pretty awesome
[20:47] <WACOMalt> Bot skill shoulda been controlled by rank of the chatter Oped being highest
[20:47] <WACOMalt> voiced being hard
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[20:47] <Sonny_Jim> Heh, that's not a bad feature
[20:47] <Sonny_Jim> Was kinda hard, as you'd have to put everyone apart from the Op on the same team
[20:47] <WACOMalt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
[20:47] <WACOMalt> ah gotcha
[20:49] <Sonny_Jim> I was inspired by PS Doom
[20:49] <Sonny_Jim> Where are your processes are Doom enemies
[20:49] <Sonny_Jim> *all your
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[20:50] <WACOMalt> that's awesome
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[20:53] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/SonnyJim/ioq3
[20:54] <WACOMalt> I want to do this...
[20:54] <WACOMalt> but it looks like a bit of work, especially to get it going on my windows machine :P
[20:54] <Sonny_Jim> Well
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> You can run the server on the Pi, then use a Windows client to connect to it
[20:55] <WACOMalt> would it run well at all on a pi?
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> The server ran fine from what I remember
[20:55] <WACOMalt> neat
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> Might take a little while to compile
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> Just remember to install libircclient before compiling
[20:56] <WACOMalt> OH man, you could have non-identified be weakest, registered be normal, voiced be high skill and ops be crazy difficult
[20:56] <WACOMalt> if a user hopped in would they replace the bot for their username?
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> I don't think I ever added support for nick changes
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> But parts/joins work fine
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[20:56] <WACOMalt> neat
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[20:57] <WACOMalt> that's a really clever idea man.
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> "Make sure you copy build/release-linux-$ARCH/baseq3/vm/qagame.qvm to the right place otherwise you will be limited to ~20 bots"
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> I seem to remember this being important, but I can't remember where you are supposed to copy the resulting .qvm file
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> :/
[20:58] <WACOMalt> alas
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[21:35] <Datalink> the Pi revisions currently produced don't have anything on the D+ and D- pins of the power in USB port, right?
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> Not AFAIK
[21:35] <IT_Sean> They do not.
[21:35] <IT_Sean> the microUSB port is just for powah
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't USB spec dictate that to draw more than X mA you need to short them out?
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[21:36] <IT_Sean> Some phone manufacturers work that way
[21:36] <IT_Sean> But, i don't believe it's part of any documented standard, as they all do it differently.
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[21:37] <plugwash> The basic USB spec says you shouldn't draw more than 100ma until after enumeration and you are only allowed to draw even 100ma pre enumeration for a short time
[21:37] <clever> i would like the idea of having D+ and D- brought out to a header on the power port
[21:37] <clever> so i could for example, add my own FTDI board tied to the uart
[21:38] <clever> then the pi shows up as a serial device with a linux console, and you can just plug it in with 1 cord
[21:38] <Datalink> heh, I'm making a non-standard port here, was making sure I didn't have to do anything for the Pi to draw power from it right
[21:38] <Datalink> clever, that would be nice
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> Well, could be dangerous
[21:38] <IT_Sean> Datalink: No, you do not need to do anything. Just plug the dagum thing in
[21:39] <clever> and you cant just do that with a normal ftdi board, the vcc is at the same voltage as the io
[21:39] <clever> so a 3.3v io ftdi supplies 3.3v, and then the usb stuff wont power on
[21:39] <Sonny_Jim> As in some idiot could fry the USB port on their computer rather than a $35 Pi
[21:39] <plugwash> the "USB battery charging" spec uses a short of D+ to D- to indicate a "dedicated charging port"
[21:39] * plugwash is pretty sure the power input port on the pi is not compliant to any USB spec.......
[21:40] <Datalink> Sonny_Jim, I'm using a USB port on the hat instead of powering straight to the 5V header to add an extra layer of safety, my application's easier than expected, honestly
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[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> A serial port on the USB would be good for those "What IP address is the Pi set to" moments
[21:40] <clever> Sonny_Jim: i just use avahi for that
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> I think everyone has their own solution for that
[21:41] <clever> hostname = [amd.local]
[21:41] <clever> address = [192.168.2.15]
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> The most fun one I saw was to have the Pi text-to-speech the address through the audio card
[21:41] <clever> avahi just pops this up every time the system comes on
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[21:41] <Datalink> I need to update my Pi's 'whereami' script... I haven't touched that in years...
[21:42] <Datalink> my Pi posts to a script on my web server, it's internal IP, the server logs that IP and it's external IP for my reference.
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[21:43] <clever> nice
[21:43] <clever> i had mine configured to sign into openvpn at one point
[21:43] <clever> but my router is just useless
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[21:43] <clever> if you connect to the external ip from inside the lan, the port forwards dont activate
[21:43] <clever> so external:80 gets you the router config
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[21:44] <clever> that means the vpn cant connect to the external ip and work
[21:44] <Datalink> that's derpy of it
[21:44] <clever> you must connect the vpn to the internal ip of the vpn server
[21:44] <clever> which defeats the purpose of it just working anywhere
[21:45] <clever> i have partialy solved that with ipv6
[21:45] <clever> but not everything has ipv6 to use
[21:46] <clever> and the hdd in the ipv6 gateway hapened to fail last night
[21:48] * Datalink just throws an L7805 TO-220 onto the board to handle power... looks up what's needed for a filter circuit
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[21:50] <plugwash> be aware that 7805s produce a lot of heat when running something as power hungry as a Pi, especially if the input voltage is high
[21:52] <Datalink> plugwash, heatsink's already in the shopping cart for the part list
[21:53] <Datalink> shouldn't need more than a basic TO-220 heatsink though, right?
[21:53] <ali1234> stop using 7805s seriously
[21:53] <plugwash> what input voltage?
[21:54] <Datalink> 12V
[21:55] <plugwash> so if you use a 7805 you are wasting more power in the regulator than you are supplying to the pi
[21:55] <Datalink> the 12V rail is also powering a stepper
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[21:55] * plugwash would use a TSR 1-2450 or similar
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[21:58] <ali1234> 7805 is only good for up to 1A anyway
[21:59] <ali1234> 7V * 1A = 7W
[21:59] <ali1234> then a bit more for inefficiency
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[22:01] <ali1234> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/121 <- 2.5W so that's no good
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[22:04] <Datalink> whee @.@
[22:06] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
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[22:28] <raboof> i understand removing the power from the pi without shutting it down first can lead to a corrupt sd card
[22:29] <raboof> is this also the case when I mount all filesystems read-only?
[22:29] <cyanide> no
[22:29] <cyanide> well it really shouldnt, i still haven't received my first pi
[22:29] <cyanide> but i dont see why it should be special
[22:29] <PovAddict> raboof: no, and if they are already mounted read-write, I'm pretty sure remounting read-only implies a sync
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[22:31] <raboof> i'm planning a 'audio effect box' project, so setting it up so it mounts fs's readonly seems like a nice option instead of building some way to gracefully shut down
[22:32] <diffra> raboof, it's generally not a good idea, but I've had power cut to my pi a dozen or so times over the last year... still kicking just fine
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[22:38] <Sonny_Jim> What sort of latency do you get?
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[22:38] <raboof> Sonny_Jim: not sure yet (pi is still in the mail :) )
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[22:54] <clever> raboof: i have seen somebody else in this room who had all cards booting up read-only, but a bad power supply still managed to corrupt them
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[22:54] <clever> but he had a whole wall of tv's, each with their own pi, so that multiplies the chances, and requires a ton more current
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[22:59] <raboof> hmm ok
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[23:51] <thescatman> ,ping
[23:51] <thescatman> o wrong irc... anyway
[23:52] <thescatman> guys, does this: https://www.bitpi.co/2015/02/12/mounting-and-accessing-a-usb-drive-on-the-raspberry-pi/ apply to USB hard drives?
[23:52] <cyanide> yeah sure
[23:53] <cyanide> just need to know where the partitions are in /dev/sdX or /dev/sdXY
[23:53] <cyanide> just type dmesg in console after you attach your drive
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[23:54] <cyanide> it should show you the device nodes
[23:54] <clever> cat /proc/partitions will also list all disks
[23:54] <cyanide> does notro frequent this irc?
[23:54] <clever> and blkid /dev/sd* will show the FS type of every disk on the system
[23:54] <shiftplusone> cyanide, I haven't noticed him here, but maybe I didn't look.
[23:54] <cyanide> hmm
[23:54] <clever> cyanide: my irc logs say he has never been here
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[23:55] <clever> only time his name has ever appeared, is in 3 links people posted
[23:55] <clever> but i'm not always on, forgot to auto-join
[23:55] <cyanide> i want to be sure before i buy an lcd
[23:55] <cyanide> so many available here with various controllers: http://www.buydisplay.com/default/tft-display
[23:56] <thescatman> thanks cyanide... i'll try and work out how that works then
[23:56] <clever> ive been considering an hdmi one from adafruit lately
[23:56] <cyanide> with my micros, i just grab one which has spi and there usually is someone who has made a library for it, else i just make mine
[23:56] <clever> cyanide: http://www.adafruit.com/products/2232 is what i was thinking of
[23:56] <cyanide> these are mostly barebones, except the ones with the big driver board
[23:57] <cyanide> clever, http://www.buydisplay.com/default/5-lcd-module-hdmi-vga-video-driver-board-and-800x480-tft-display
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[23:57] <cyanide> you're basically buying from the manufacturer directly
[23:57] <clever> cheaper, but you dont need vga or composite
[23:58] <cyanide> or atleast as direct as you can get
[23:58] <clever> the adafruit one is a board they made, and it will also have a touch version soon i think
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[23:59] <clever> that board you linked has a lot on it, whats the keyboard interface for?
[23:59] <cyanide> you get a small control board with a few buttons
[23:59] <clever> ah

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