#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-02-17

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[0:00] <kisak> plugwash: acknowledged. niston: sorry for the confusion
[0:01] <niston> kisak: clarity is often found through discussion :)
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[0:03] <teclo-> I'm looking for small raspberry pi stickers to put on SD cards... I've found this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STICKERS-SML-10-Raspberry-Pi-Stickers-Raspberry-Pi-Small-10-Pack-/141331071969? ... isn't 7,39 plus 3,99 GBP a lot of 10 small stickers ?
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[0:05] <ShorTie> that be more a personal opinion
[0:05] <IT_Sean> That's just over £1 per sticker.
[0:05] <willmore> Yes, that is expensive.
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[0:05] <thescatman_> just print some out and use glue?
[0:05] <IT_Sean> That is a bit steep
[0:06] <IT_Sean> But, not horrible.
[0:06] <Stephini> have you thought about getting labels printed at your local kinkos?
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[0:07] <Stephini> IT_Sean, 20 bucks for 10 thumbnail sized stickers is not just steep. that's outrageous. you can kinkos or redbubble that much sticker material for like 2 bucks.
[0:07] <IT_Sean> Then do it.
[0:08] <Stephini> that's exactly what i would do that's why i said that. :P
[0:11] <teclo-> Stephini: well I got a colour laser printer, but it's not gonna be easy to print small stickers out of it
[0:12] <Stephini> teclo-, why not? get a square or rectangle die of the apropriate size and some edgeless label paper in your choice of matte or glossy laser paper?
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[0:13] <Stephini> it'll cost about 5 for the die and 10 for the reem of paper. but you'll be able to print thousands of stickers that way. also make sure to not pusht eh die all the way down if you want that proffesional perferated effect ont eh stickers.
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[0:13] <teclo-> Stephini: well I don't know if I can find label paper already cut to 12x9mm
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[0:16] <Stephini> teclo-, ah that's why i use dies. i can just punch out the sticker size i want. failing that a strait edge and exacto knife are pretty decent.
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[0:21] <teclo-> Stephini: that's an idea, indeed, using a die....
[0:21] <johntramp> hi, I am wanting to have a bunch of pies which are on the same lan with the same sd image. I thought to identify which is which they could each have a jumper on different pairs of pins on the gpio header which would be read at boot and used to set the hostname. is this reasonable?
[0:22] <Triffid_Hunter> johntramp: even with the same SD image they should still have different mac addresses, set your DHCP server up to preserve ip/mac mapping
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[0:23] <PovAddict> agreed
[0:24] <PovAddict> having different hostnames is a good idea
[0:24] <PovAddict> but you can use the MAC address for that instead of GPIO jumpers
[0:26] <WACOMalt> Hey folks. I'm currently looking for a window manager that can handle having every single program it runs being in fullscreen mode with no borders
[0:26] <WACOMalt> Currently the approach I'm using it running without a window manager. I just run X and run a program
[0:26] <PovAddict> I use kwin, it has a 'fullscreen' option
[0:27] <PovAddict> (on my desktop computer I mean)
[0:27] <johntramp> Triffid_Hunter: yes I know, but if I have a dozen on the table in front of me it is hard to say which is which
[0:27] <WACOMalt> Which works... ish. But I need 3 windows open that I can switch between (eventually based on a keypress)
[0:27] <PovAddict> but it may be a bit heavy for the Pi?
[0:27] <shiftplusone> there are quite a few flexible 'tiling' windows managers which can probably be configured the way you want.
[0:27] <WACOMalt> PovAddict, it may be. alternatively... is there a way to have multiple different "Displays" ?
[0:28] <WACOMalt> like right now when I run X. any program opens in TTYL7
[0:28] <WACOMalt> or Ztl Alt 7
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[0:28] <WACOMalt> *Ctl
[0:28] <WACOMalt> Whatever youd call that
[0:28] <shiftplusone> yes, run X multiple times.
[0:28] <WACOMalt> and it will just be a new display?
[0:28] <PovAddict> yes
[0:28] <shiftplusone> it used to work that way yeah... haven't done it in a while
[0:28] <WACOMalt> well, that's awesome :D
[0:28] <PovAddict> you will need to run each app with a different DISPLAY= env var
[0:28] <WACOMalt> that is perfect for my use
[0:28] <PovAddict> to tell it what display to run on
[0:28] <WACOMalt> that's fine
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[0:29] <WACOMalt> Ok, I gotta close chat to test this.. brb
[0:29] <shiftplusone> PovAddict, DISPLAY will already be set correctly within X, it's only if he's launching the application from a different VT that he'll need to worry about it.
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[0:29] <PovAddict> I assumed he was launching his apps from inside the tty
[0:30] <WACOMalt> It says the x server is already active for this display
[0:30] <WACOMalt> when I type "X" again in a TTY1
[0:30] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, may need to throw some flag in there
[0:31] <Triffid_Hunter> johntramp: sticky tape and a marker pen sorts that out nicely :P
[0:32] <PovAddict> johntramp: do you have a DNS server?
[0:33] <PovAddict> johntramp: if you don't, install avahi-daemon on the Pis, that way you can look them up by hostname without a central DNS server
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[0:36] <WACOMalt> dang I cant find it
[0:38] <movic> guys i have problem with transmission deamon
[0:38] <movic> I'm getting this error: Restarting bittorrent daemon: transmission-daemon[00:38:38.700] JSON parser failed in /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info/settings.json at line 70, column 5: ""watch-dir": "/h"
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[0:49] <WACOMalt> Ok. every guide I can find for running two different X displays involves using the startx command
[0:49] <WACOMalt> but startx starts my window manager
[0:51] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: you want to enable a 2nd screen? xrandr --output blah --right-of blah or so works for me
[0:51] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: if you want two separate X instances on two screens, I've no idea how to do that
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[0:51] <WACOMalt> nah its more specific than that lol. but I just figured it out I think
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[0:51] <WACOMalt> I need two x servers running on different tty screens
[0:52] <WACOMalt> I got it though. Instead of X -display :1 I needed to do X :1
[0:52] <Triffid_Hunter> ah yeah that's easy enough xinit /path/to/something -- :1
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[0:52] <Triffid_Hunter> I use that for running games
[0:52] <WACOMalt> thanks
[0:53] <Triffid_Hunter> then ctrl+alt+f7 or f8 to switch between them
[0:59] <movic> Rpi in the local network is showing up as: MAC Address: B8:27:EB:25:F9:AE (Raspberry Pi Foundation)
[0:59] <movic> is there any way to change it?
[0:59] <Steve_Jobs> what's the best way to check of a value changed on the gpio pins from bash?
[0:59] <niston> wiringpi
[0:59] <Triffid_Hunter> movic: why do you want to change the mac address?
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[0:59] <movic> Triffid_Hunter: not the mac, but the "name"
[1:00] <Steve_Jobs> I'm interested in running a script when the value changed
[1:00] <Triffid_Hunter> movic: oh, there's a database of mac address blocks vs organizational names somewhere, probably in /usr/share or /etc
[1:00] <Giddles> lol macchanger maybe helps :D
[1:03] <movic> Triffid_Hunter: do you know whats the name of the file?
[1:04] <Triffid_Hunter> movic: nope, never looked for it
[1:05] <Steve_Jobs> can I set a script to be executed when the value switches via /sys/class/gpio/gpio7/uevent
[1:06] <Triffid_Hunter> movic: looks like /usr/share/misc/oui.txt on my gentoo system
[1:06] <niston> Steve_Jobs: you could always write a python script or something
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[1:11] <WACOMalt> http://imgur.com/jz7TTMW
[1:11] <WACOMalt> This bake sense?
[1:11] <WACOMalt> *make
[1:12] <WACOMalt> Trying to start my machine and have libre office in tty7 xchat in tty8
[1:12] <WACOMalt> Ignore the piano bar stuff
[1:13] <Arbition> You're running multiple X sessions? Are you sure you have the memory headroom to do that?
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[1:14] <Arbition> Any particular reason why you couldn't use a tiling window manager with workspaces instead?
[1:14] <WACOMalt> Yes
[1:15] <WACOMalt> Er... Maybe not
[1:15] <WACOMalt> But am I doing my potentially bad idea the right way?
[1:15] <Arbition> Now that I couldn't tell you
[1:15] <Arbition> I'm just thinking X is resource heavy and the pi is a tad limited on resources
[1:16] <BurtyB> that would be my thoughts too Arbition
[1:16] <WACOMalt> Correct
[1:16] <WACOMalt> But I have no issues so far
[1:16] <WACOMalt> OK this works now.
[1:16] <Arbition> heh ok
[1:17] <WACOMalt> Know a way to switch to a specific tty on boot? After all this it finishes sitting in tty8
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[1:17] <WACOMalt> I want to to end with tty7 in focus
[1:17] <Arbition> I've never run multiple X sessions on tty (well, except with switch user stuff)
[1:18] <Arbition> I have run vnc servers on their own X session though
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[1:20] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: chvt
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[1:20] <WACOMalt> Thanks
[1:20] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: you'll probably have to sleep a few seconds after starting your X instances though, they can take a little while to do the vt switch
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[1:22] <WACOMalt> I am
[1:23] <WACOMalt> Hmm I did cause an issue though... Tty1 gets stuck without put from xserver. Tty2 if I sign in it closes all the other bootbstuff, which causes my halt command to run
[1:23] <WACOMalt> So... Now I can't get in to edit my file
[1:24] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: on tty1, press ctrl+z and you should get your terminal back
[1:24] <WACOMalt> Nope
[1:24] <Triffid_Hunter> ctrl+z pauses and backgrounds the current task, you can then do 'fg' to restart it in the foreground or 'bg' to restart it in the background
[1:24] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: why does signing in on TTY2 close everything?
[1:25] <WACOMalt> Because my profile startup commands has a halt command after one of the programs closes
[1:25] <WACOMalt> Apparently that goes for restarting over it too
[1:25] <Triffid_Hunter> heh, possibly not the best idea :P
[1:25] <WACOMalt> So I see
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[1:26] <WACOMalt> Don't know how I can edit that file now
[1:27] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: if you can't interrupt the startup sequence, stick the card in a linux desktop or laptop, mount and edit
[1:27] <Triffid_Hunter> you could even use another rpi with a usb cardreader
[1:27] <Triffid_Hunter> or that same rpi, but booted off a different sd
[1:27] <WACOMalt> I have neither :/
[1:28] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: linux in a VM on your desktop?
[1:28] <WACOMalt> Maybe my android phone via card reader via otg
[1:28] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: if there's a kernel commandline in config.txt on the boot partition you might be able to tack init=/bin/sh on the end
[1:29] <Triffid_Hunter> then it'll just drop into a shell on boot rather than running the usual startup stuff
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[1:33] <WACOMalt> I just installed extFS for windows
[1:33] <WACOMalt> gonna see if I can just edit it from here
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[1:37] <niston> the config.txt should be on a fat partition
[1:37] <niston> the /bin/sh trick will work, saved my ass before :P
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[1:40] <Steve_Jobs> do I just put a script in /sys/class/gpio/gpio7/uevent ? I want to run some bash when a pin is triggered
[1:42] <WACOMalt> Cool that actually worked
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[1:44] <Sonny_Jim> Steve_Jobs: There's quite a few examples around about how to trigger a bash script from GPIO
[1:44] <ShorTie> think /sys/class/gpio... stuff gets made on boot
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[1:45] <Steve_Jobs> Sonny_Jim: my google foo is failing today then..
[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=80341
[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=16621
[1:46] <Sonny_Jim> But tbh unless it's something absurdly simple, I would use python + wiringPi
[1:47] <Sonny_Jim> (actually, I'd use C, but I'm guessing it's easier for you to use python)
[1:47] <WACOMalt> oh my god.... And now my card is corrupt
[1:47] <WACOMalt> after taking 4 days to set this up
[1:50] <niston> why do you think the card is corrupt ?
[1:50] <ShorTie> 'run some bash when a pin is triggered' is not the way it works in reality, the bash is alreadt running and detect when the 'pin is triggered' i believe
[1:50] <Steve_Jobs> Sonny_Jim: that looks like just 1/10th seconds polling
[1:50] <WACOMalt> berryboot gives errors now when I try to boot
[1:50] <WACOMalt> cpu governer nonexistent directory or somesuch
[1:50] <WACOMalt> and more
[1:50] <niston> did you try editing the config.txt ?
[1:51] <Steve_Jobs> thought you could just put a script or symlink in a directory in one of the /sys/class/gpio/gpio7/ subdirs
[1:51] <ShorTie> don't think so
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[1:52] <WACOMalt> niston, nope
[1:53] <Sonny_Jim> Not that I've seen, but then again I haven't done much work with GPIO and BASH
[1:53] <Sonny_Jim> Also, 100ms is just fine for a push button
[1:54] <Steve_Jobs> Sonny_Jim: motion sensor, but same thing
[1:54] <Sonny_Jim> What does the bash script do?
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[1:56] <Steve_Jobs> it just curls some information to a central server that aggregates info from a bunch on them
[1:56] <Sonny_Jim> Have you had a look at this script?
[1:56] <Sonny_Jim> https://git.drogon.net/?p=gpioExamples;a=blob;f=tuxx/tuxx.sh
[1:56] <Sonny_Jim> Do you know any C?
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[1:57] <Steve_Jobs> I can do C but thinking it's overkill
[1:58] <Sonny_Jim> Well, depends on what you are comfortable with
[1:58] <Sonny_Jim> And the level of complexity required
[1:58] <Sonny_Jim> If you can get it going with bash, then great. But I would consider using python to do it
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[2:04] <BurtyB> pah :p
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[2:06] <Steve_Jobs> Sonny_Jim: that's just using polling
[2:06] <Steve_Jobs> I can do that in bash
[2:06] <Steve_Jobs> it's very easy to do and anything else would be overkill
[2:07] <Sonny_Jim> It's always going to be polled
[2:07] <Sonny_Jim> Regardless of how it's implemented
[2:08] <Sonny_Jim> The only way you can do it that I know of that isn't polling is setting up an interrupt using the wiringPi lib
[2:08] <Sonny_Jim> And even then, it's going to be polled
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[2:10] <Steve_Jobs> ugh.. so the pins on that board don't have a true linux driver?
[2:10] <Sonny_Jim> You miss my point
[2:10] <Sonny_Jim> Even with a 'true' Linux driver it's going to be polled
[2:11] <Steve_Jobs> Sonny_Jim: how does it compare to a keyboard driver?
[2:11] <Steve_Jobs> with a keyboard, you are generating an interrupt with no polling
[2:12] <Steve_Jobs> this is just for my curiosity. I'm ok for my motion detector to poll
[2:12] <Sonny_Jim> If you want interrupt driven, have a look here:
[2:12] <Sonny_Jim> http://wiringpi.com/reference/priority-interrupts-and-threads/
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[2:15] <Steve_Jobs> Sonny_Jim: that's a good article
[2:15] <Steve_Jobs> thanks
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[2:20] <WACOMalt> http://i.imgur.com/t53Ca5O.jpg
[2:20] <WACOMalt> Anyone know what this means?
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[2:24] <WACOMalt> I'm really hoping I havent lost this OS. I spent 4 days getting it to where it is
[2:24] <WACOMalt> and documented nothing :/
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[2:29] <chipmadness> whats up guys
[2:29] <chipmadness> OMG Steve_Jobs
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[2:31] <WACOMalt> not much. just broke my system :/
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[2:34] <seitensei> do you even have kernel
[2:34] <seitensei> I mean, it looks like you don't have a system at all
[2:36] <McBride36> bad sectors on SC card could lead to that
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[2:39] <ebswift> hi, can i get some help getting wicd 1.6 installed on raspbian? not too linux savvy
[2:42] <abnormal> sudo apt-get install wicd
[2:42] <McBride36> don't forget the 2 hours afterwards you spend trying to figure things out
[2:42] <Sonny_Jim> Isn't there an easy to use wireless configurator in the Rasbian desktop?
[2:42] <Sonny_Jim> There used to be
[2:42] <McBride36> yes there is
[2:42] <Sonny_Jim> Might be easier to just use that then
[2:42] <Sonny_Jim> login, startx, click click type type done
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[2:43] <McBride36> not all of us have screens availible for the pi :(
[2:43] <Sonny_Jim> Then use x11vnc
[2:43] <Sonny_Jim> and a vncviewer on your desktop
[2:43] <Sonny_Jim> Ah wait
[2:43] * Sonny_Jim sees an obvious problem here
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[2:44] <seitensei> Indeed
[2:44] <Sonny_Jim> Ah but wait
[2:44] <Sonny_Jim> Plug the Pi into your router with a cable
[2:44] <McBride36> that's what i do
[2:45] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah my router has a USB socket on it as well, which makes it even easier
[2:45] <ebswift> i think i need to downgrade wicd, i'm getting bad_pass in the log
[2:45] <McBride36> when entering information?
[2:45] <McBride36> or during installation?
[2:45] <ebswift> yeah, when attempting to authenticate to the network
[2:46] <McBride36> make sure you're putting in the right password then
[2:46] <ebswift> i've tried a number of modifications to the template
[2:46] <ebswift> was going to try a wicd downgrade to rule that out
[2:47] <ebswift> just not sure how to actually install 1.6
[2:49] <seitensei> Is there a way to hide/encrypt passwords in wpa_supplicant.conf
[2:49] <WACOMalt> So... is there a way for me to run a disk check/repair on my sd card? or am I borked?
[2:49] <seitensei> WACOMalt: You could try it from another device
[2:50] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: eh, what did you do to it?
[2:50] <Triffid_Hunter> <WACOMalt> I just installed extFS for windows <WACOMalt> Cool that actually worked <WACOMalt> oh my god.... And now my card is corrupt <-- heh, typical windows :P
[2:50] <WACOMalt> http://i.imgur.com/t53Ca5O.jpg
[2:50] <niston> heh
[2:51] <WACOMalt> well it actually booted after windows
[2:51] <WACOMalt> then after shutting down it didnt boot
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[2:52] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: sounds like windows butchered your rootfs somehow
[2:52] <WACOMalt> even considering it booted fine after using windows?
[2:53] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: sure, windows could have left it in a state where it looks ok the first time around, but the corruption doesn't show up until unmount
[2:53] <WACOMalt> hmmmm
[2:53] <WACOMalt> I can read all contents fine on windows still
[2:53] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: don't ever trust windows to not break everything, over the years it's become extremely good at it
[2:54] <seitensei> Windows doesn't break itself
[2:54] <seitensei> ignoring the fact that it's broken out of box
[2:54] <WACOMalt> While I can completely believe that, as it's happened before, I dont think windows caused this. I think my power cycling procedure caused it
[2:54] <WACOMalt> I probably pulled the plug before it was fully shut down
[2:54] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: why is it mounting an image then switching root in the first place?
[2:54] <WACOMalt> berryboot
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[2:54] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: ah yeah that can definitely cause major corruption
[2:55] <WACOMalt> I spent almost 4 hours compiling ffmpeg, just to compile pianobar's newest working version. I dont wanna have to do that again
[2:55] <WACOMalt> any way I can pull the compiled ffmeg out and use that if I rewrite raspbian?
[2:56] <Triffid_Hunter> probably
[2:56] <Triffid_Hunter> the main issue with compiling things yourself is that make install puts files all over the place, with zero record of which ones and where they are
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[2:57] <seitensei> WACOMalt: have you considered cross-compiling?
[2:58] <WACOMalt> I havent as I have no idea what that means
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[2:58] <WACOMalt> I did this based on a tutorial with no building experience
[2:58] <seitensei> You compile the binary on your x86 computer, rather than the pi
[2:58] <seitensei> but you compile it for the pi
[2:58] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, cross compile is way faster than native with the pi because it's so slow
[2:58] <WACOMalt> sounds good
[2:58] <seitensei> Admittedly, it's not too bad with the Pi2
[2:58] <WACOMalt> can I do it from windows? (easily?)
[2:59] <seitensei> WACOMalt: Can you virtualize linux?
[2:59] <WACOMalt> I can, would prefer not to
[2:59] <WACOMalt> if at all possible
[2:59] <seitensei> I'm not sure how to make the toolchain on Windows, so I can't help there
[2:59] <WACOMalt> only due to having a broken install of virtualbox that Id need to clear off or fix
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[3:00] <steve_rox> quick question, is there test points on rpi2?
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[3:02] <plugwash> steve_rox, yes but they are surface pads only, no holes
[3:02] <seitensei> steve_rox: I don't think there were any test points on the B+, so
[3:02] <seitensei> test pads, I think
[3:03] <steve_rox> ah ill keep hunting for them
[3:03] * ball sighs
[3:04] <plugwash> steve_rox, look at the bottom, they are hard to miss
[3:04] <plugwash> labelled PPxx (where xx is a number)
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[3:05] <eggy> what to do with my rpi2
[3:05] <eggy> any ideas?
[3:05] <kisak> autonomous robot
[3:05] <Giddles> suvelliance camera with webcam
[3:05] <McBride36> ship it to ShorTie
[3:05] <steve_rox> searching
[3:05] <Giddles> gift it to me for free ;)
[3:06] <kisak> drone flight control
[3:06] <steve_rox> loads of testpoints
[3:06] <ebswift> eggy, hook some relays up and start developing a garden watering timer
[3:06] <Giddles> weather station
[3:06] <ball> I have plans for mine ...when I can find it.
[3:07] <WACOMalt> oh heck yes, berryboot's "repair filesystem" worked
[3:07] <seitensei> make a satellite
[3:07] <[Saint]> Death Bot.
[3:07] <steve_rox> my rpi is moaning about low power which is fun :-)
[3:07] <WACOMalt> mine too :)
[3:07] <seitensei> steve_rox: Are you on power supply or usb?
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[3:07] <[Saint]> Automated flashlight.
[3:07] <steve_rox> using a eight 18650 battery pack
[3:08] <[Saint]> hahaha, stoopid autocomplete
[3:08] <steve_rox> i question if that port is actually 2a
[3:08] <[Saint]> *fleshlight
[3:08] <steve_rox> behave ;-)
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[3:08] <seitensei> Automated fl*a*shlight automater
[3:09] <[Saint]> If saif port has any sort of controller onboard, its probably trying to follow spec and not dishing out 2A blindly
[3:09] <[Saint]> (which it shouldn;t do)
[3:09] <[Saint]> *said
[3:09] <Giddles> killer drone bot with blueray laser diod ;)
[3:09] <Giddles> well thats not really family friendly, im sorry
[3:10] <[Saint]> NZ Customs let me bring in a _reaaaaaaally_ scary 'laser pointer'.
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[3:10] <steve_rox> i stopped playing with lazors when one almost took my eyes
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[3:10] <seitensei> both? wow
[3:10] <steve_rox> does it mean anything in perticular if both LED on the rpi2 are off?
[3:10] <niston> really scary?
[3:10] <[Saint]> Yet, they fined me $800 and put my half-car in quarantine for six months because it had some leaves in the bumper... -_-
[3:10] <Giddles> year blend the thief :D
[3:10] <niston> elaborate please
[3:10] <[Saint]> Yep. Leaves.
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[3:10] <seitensei> [Saint]: leaves are scary
[3:10] <Giddles> suvelliance alert drone service
[3:11] <Giddles> would be maybe cheape
[3:11] <Giddles> r
[3:11] <WACOMalt> Hey, anyone have any ideas why this "profile" file wouldnt be finishing up in TTY7 ?
[3:11] <WACOMalt> https://wacomalt.imgur.com/all/
[3:11] <steve_rox> both LED are now off and rpi is still online :-P
[3:11] <seitensei> [Saint]: Leaves pile on you and smother you, they're horrifically scary
[3:11] <plugwash> steve_rox, green light off means no SD card activity, red light off means low system voltage
[3:11] <steve_rox> ahh
[3:11] <steve_rox> yeah the gpio is reporting that too
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[3:12] <steve_rox> i need some kinda usb port testing device
[3:12] <steve_rox> how many amps for rpi2?
[3:12] <[Saint]> re: "really scary":
[3:12] <[Saint]> 1200mW blue 'laser pointer'
[3:12] <[Saint]> It sets fire to stuff from across the room.
[3:12] <WACOMalt> When I start X, (via "X" command, not "startx) the programs I launch on that display are not filling the screen
[3:12] <niston> heh
[3:12] <WACOMalt> they are running at 1440x900 on a 1920x1080 screen
[3:13] <[Saint]> Pops baloons, puts pinpoint holes in the wall, casts a beam up into the night sky that's visible beyong my depth of vision...etc.
[3:13] <steve_rox> yeah ive done all that
[3:13] <[Saint]> sets fire to paper. Melts plastic.
[3:13] <[Saint]> Absolutely _will_ blind you if you point it in your eye.
[3:14] <steve_rox> placeing it on a cnc router may be more productive
[3:14] <niston> [Saint] I had a green one that was fairly impressive
[3:14] <[Saint]> (so you need to wear spectrum sheilded safety googles)
[3:14] <niston> didn't set stuff on fire
[3:14] <niston> but when pointed at the sky it was visible for miles
[3:14] <[Saint]> This thing looks like a light sabre.
[3:14] <[Saint]> Its massive.
[3:14] <niston> I think I saw that one on the net
[3:15] <niston> is there accessories to be had for it?
[3:15] <[Saint]> The beam is tiny, the batteries and the focal lenses however, are huge.
[3:15] <niston> like flashlight addon?
[3:15] <[Saint]> Nah.
[3:15] <niston> phosphorous that turns the laser into white light?
[3:15] <[Saint]> Not this one at least.
[3:15] <niston> hmm
[3:15] <niston> must have been another model then
[3:16] <[Saint]> When I power it on it makes a really satisfying "BweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" noise for about two minutes while it charges up its caps.
[3:17] <[Saint]> NZ Customs had precisely zero issues with that. And I know damn well they opened the box and had a good 'ol nosey around.
[3:17] <[Saint]> But I tried bringing in a half car for the fron t end and engine from Japand, and, nope...leaves. LEAVES!
[3:17] * Tachyon` is now known as Tach[Zzz]
[3:17] <[Saint]> *Japan
[3:18] <niston> heh
[3:19] <niston> they must have taken you for one of those star wars freaks :P
[3:20] <[Saint]> Hahahaha.
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[3:20] <WACOMalt> So...
[3:20] <WACOMalt> can anyone tell me if I'm maybe using the chvt command wrong?
[3:21] <WACOMalt> I'm doing "chvt 7" in my profile, but it never switches back to 7. stays on 8 which is the last one opened
[3:21] <niston> crazy
[3:21] <niston> http://www.laserpointerpro.com/attribute/power_5000mw-lasers_81
[3:21] <[Saint]> Its a good thing it came with a (mostly) discharged battery, focal lenses disassembled, and partially disassembled itself.
[3:21] <[Saint]> 'cos I can just imagine one of the Customs agents being all like "Hurr Durr - I wonder how bright this flashlight isd...Hurr Durr"
[3:21] <niston> yeah
[3:21] <[Saint]> "AaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiEEEEEEEEEEE!"
[3:22] <niston> followed by the smell of burnt flesh
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[3:22] <[Saint]> 5000mW!?!
[3:22] <[Saint]> Whoah
[3:23] <WACOMalt> and separately anyone know why this is happening? http://imgur.com/8GqzJR4
[3:23] <[Saint]> That is definitely Not A Toy(TM)
[3:23] <niston> probably could build a laser cutter from one of those
[3:25] <[Saint]> One of the review comments says that the dude got one as a toy for his cats.
[3:25] <[Saint]> -_-
[3:25] <niston> not too bright
[3:25] <plugwash> AIUI customs in many places are very worried about foriegn biological stuff
[3:25] <[Saint]> Yeah, to the tune of $800 apparently
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[3:26] <[Saint]> Funny thing is, when I got it, there was a dead frog in the window washer container, no one cared about that.
[3:26] <[Saint]> And I found a bunch more leaves.
[3:26] <plugwash> heh
[3:26] <niston> leaves are deadly weapons of mass destruction didnt you know?
[3:26] <[Saint]> I think they just tried, and succeeded, to shaft me.
[3:27] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: probably it's running your chvt 7 before X:8 switches to vt8, like I said you may need to sleep a while
[3:27] <plugwash> it's understandable they want to discourage foreign pests from being imported but it's highly sloppy that they didn't actually remove all the foreign biological matter before releasting it
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[3:28] <niston> plugwash they should then close down all harbors because ships usually carry a lot of "foreign biological material" on their hulls.
[3:28] <plugwash> probablly a disconnect between a perfectly reasonable policy and people on the ground who are just looking to bust people to make their quota rather than actually protect the country
[3:28] <WACOMalt> Hmmm I dont have an xorg.conf file
[3:28] <WACOMalt> I should...
[3:29] <steve_rox> so yeah anyone know how many amps rpi 2 needs?
[3:31] <plugwash> depends what it's doing but 1A should be more than enough for the Pi itself, if you add power hungry USB devices then obviously you will have to account for those too
[3:31] <steve_rox> i just need to know minimum really
[3:31] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: naw it's mostly self-configuring these days
[3:31] <steve_rox> this one constantly moans
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[3:32] <plugwash> the problem is that many power supplies can deliver 5V or 2A but not both at the same time
[3:32] <plugwash> and the makers optimistically label them as "5V 2A"
[3:32] <WACOMalt> well, it failed
[3:32] <steve_rox> yeah thats why i think im gonna order some testing thing
[3:32] <WACOMalt> the resolution is wrong.
[3:32] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, not sure about the rpi2, but the rpi1 only needs about 0.7A but the 5v must be rock solid, whereas most 1A phone chargers are already starting to droop at 0.5A
[3:32] <WACOMalt> only using 1440x900 of a 1080p screen
[3:33] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: have a play with xrandr
[3:33] <steve_rox> guess ill search on ebay for one
[3:33] <WACOMalt> what is xrandr?
[3:33] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: X resize and rotate
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[3:34] <ball> Does xrandr use 2D hardware, where present?
[3:34] <Triffid_Hunter> ball: what? xrandr just talks to xorg
[3:35] <ball> Triffid_Hunter: So it depends whether Xorg includes support for the 2D hardware?
[3:35] <WACOMalt> so... what is actually in control of rendering the full resolution to my full screen?
[3:36] <WACOMalt> is that X?
[3:36] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: lots of things can render to the screen.. if you're running graphical apps like firefox and whatnot then you're almost certainly using X (xorg)
[3:37] <Triffid_Hunter> ball: xrandr just reads out what Xorg knows about the display device, and can tell it to change resolutions or rotate the screen or apply scaling or whatevevr
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[3:37] <WACOMalt> I boot to console, then I run "X"
[3:37] <Triffid_Hunter> ball: so if Xorg doesn't support something, xrandr won't know about it
[3:37] <WACOMalt> as a command
[3:37] <WACOMalt> then I open a program and it loads on TTY7
[3:37] <ball> Oh, I thought perhaps it was more like a blitter driver
[3:38] <WACOMalt> I'm not using any window manager, only X
[3:38] <WACOMalt> so where in X's configs can I change the rendered resolution
[3:38] <Triffid_Hunter> ball: no it's not a driver, just an interface to basic standardised driver ops
[3:38] * ball nods
[3:38] <ball> Useful to know, thanks.
[3:39] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: it typically picks the preferred resolution, xrandr can tell you what that is and maybe give some hints as to why the preferred res isn't the native res
[3:40] <WACOMalt> ok one more stupid question
[3:40] <WACOMalt> when in console how can I scroll up to read output?
[3:40] <Triffid_Hunter> shift+pgup
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[3:43] <WACOMalt> xrandr reports the proper resolutions all around
[3:43] <WACOMalt> 1920x1080
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[3:45] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: well if xrandr says it's set to 1920x1080, why do you think it's running at 1440x900?
[3:45] <WACOMalt> because every program I run only uses 1440x900
[3:45] <WACOMalt> which is the resolution of the previously connected display
[3:46] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: so they're not taking up the whole screen?
[3:47] <WACOMalt> but I just discovered by launcing pcmanfm (file manager) that I can epxand it to the full screen
[3:47] <WACOMalt> so I guess nothing is wrong with X. only with the programs
[3:47] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah, you need a window manager to tell them to maximize
[3:47] <WACOMalt> I didnt need that for the first launch on the 1440x900 monitor
[3:47] <Triffid_Hunter> many programs have a -geometry command line option
[3:47] <WACOMalt> but they seem to have saved their resolution
[3:48] <Triffid_Hunter> WACOMalt: maybe they've stored geometry in their settings files somewhere? grep ~ for relevant numbers
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[3:54] <WACOMalt> eh screw it. reinstalling
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[5:16] <markfletcher> Hi, can anyone recommend a text editor for the raspi, that resembles sublime text, ie, has a folder / project view. ive tried geany but it doesnt do what I need.
[5:17] <abnormal> tried Nano?
[5:19] <McBride36> lol
[5:19] <McBride36> idk if that's quite what he wants
[5:21] <abnormal> oh, sorry... LIbreoffice?
[5:21] <McBride36> markfletcher, just for text editing?
[5:21] <McBride36> or like coding?
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[5:24] <markfletcher> coding, Im trying to do a rails project for a laugh
[5:25] <markfletcher> normally use sublime, but I havent seen a port for raspian yet
[5:25] <McBride36> RoR?
[5:25] <markfletcher> yep
[5:25] <markfletcher> takes a while to setup on a Raspi 2, but it can be done
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[5:26] <abnormal> oh so you need Python
[5:26] <McBride36> does pycharm work on pi?
[5:26] * McBride36 is hopeful
[5:27] <markfletcher> actually I wonder if rubymine works… I do have a license
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[5:31] <markfletcher> although that might be overkill for the raspi
[5:31] <qubitnerd> McBride36: you could try vim sometime
[5:32] <abnormal> why not just use Python?
[5:32] <McBride36> qubitnerd, i'm slowly but surely learning it. i've got basic movement and editing down
[5:32] <abnormal> or C
[5:32] <McBride36> still, i mostly just sshfs and pycharm on my desktop
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[5:33] <qubitnerd> there are some good plugins to help you with python in vim
[5:33] <McBride36> but pycharm is pretty :(
[5:33] <qubitnerd> sure is :)
[5:34] <markfletcher> abnormal, because I have an itch to scratch with ruby, no offence to python
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[5:34] <abnormal> try apt-get install pycharm
[5:35] <qubitnerd> McBride36: upto you , ... after the initial brief productivity hit , vim will make you a really fast programmer
[5:35] <qubitnerd> it becomes a part of you ... you just think and your hands do it
[5:35] <McBride36> i mean, i see the advantages
[5:35] <abnormal> can you load vim in pi?
[5:36] <McBride36> abnormal, yup, it's installed if you use rasbian
[5:36] <McBride36> but right now, i have to consult a "quick reference" it's four pages
[5:36] <abnormal> I don't see it in the menu
[5:36] <McBride36> go into CLI
[5:36] <McBride36> vi or vim filename
[5:36] <abnormal> cli?
[5:36] <McBride36> command line
[5:37] <McBride36> in your terminal
[5:37] <abnormal> ahh
[5:37] <abnormal> so I have to do sudo cli?
[5:37] <McBride36> shouldn't need to do sudo if you're just doin' a basic file
[5:37] <qubitnerd> abnormal: no he meant open a terminal emulator
[5:37] <McBride36> ^
[5:37] <qubitnerd> or on a tty
[5:38] <abnormal> oh ok.. like Nano
[5:38] <McBride36> exactly!
[5:38] <McBride36> protip :q is to quit
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[5:38] <qubitnerd> lol
[5:38] <qubitnerd> and hit "i" to start typing
[5:39] <qubitnerd> to quit <escape> : q
[5:39] <qubitnerd> http://stackoverflow.com/a/1220118
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[5:42] <abnormal> so it's called LXTerminal
[5:42] <McBride36> well, i'll need quite a bit of time to process all of that
[5:43] <McBride36> thanks qubitnerd!
[5:43] <abnormal> good luck and have fun.
[5:43] <McBride36> i'll read it during work tomorrow lol, busy with wiring now
[5:45] <abnormal> ok... just be sure to pay attention to your job first... don't want hear you getting fired for reading that.
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[5:46] <McBride36> lol
[5:46] <McBride36> i program robots
[5:46] <McBride36> i can look busy
[5:48] <abnormal> ok.. have fun
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[6:02] <sidharthr> Hi everyone, Pi novice here. I was thinking of sending camera feed from the Pi to my laptop via WiFi, do some processing and send instructions back to the Pi. Any idea on how much the delay might be?
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[6:04] <PovAddict> sidharthr: I think most of the delay would be the latency of the video codec
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[6:06] <sidharthr> Okay, so if I keep the laptop, router and Pi near each other (say less than 2 metres), then it should be okay?
[6:08] <McBride36> it'd help
[6:08] <McBride36> again, would depend on codec
[6:08] <McBride36> have you found any example projects that do something similar?
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[6:21] <sidharthr> @McBride: Not yet. Still searching.
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[6:23] <sidharthr> One alternative would be to do the image processing + learning on the Pi2 itself. Would the Pi2 be able to handle that?
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[6:26] <PovAddict> "image processing" is vague
[6:31] <e^ipi> and the pi is going to be invariably crap at it
[6:31] <SpeedEvil> Vaguely crap
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[6:31] <abnormal> never crap
[6:31] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes you can do it fine on the PI1
[6:31] <abnormal> best computer ever made
[6:31] <SpeedEvil> With 6* CPU, it may be quite possible
[6:32] <SpeedEvil> Does it have huge limitations - yes.
[6:32] <e^ipi> sure, whatever you can build a birdhouse with a can of soup but you might be better off with a hammer
[6:32] <SpeedEvil> But even the Pi1 can do a hell of a lot of multiplications a second
[6:32] <e^ipi> probably want a bunch of simd, which the pi has none of, and a fast cpu, which the pi does not
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[6:33] <e^ipi> pi’s great for a lot of tasks, but CPU heavy tasks it ain’t
[6:33] <abnormal> well then get a laptop
[6:34] <SpeedEvil> But define CPU heavy.
[6:34] <SpeedEvil> Image processingmay not be it.
[6:35] <SpeedEvil> 640*480*30 is only 9Mpixels/second.
[6:35] <SpeedEvil> If you're doing limited processing, then 600Mhz ARM may be perfectly adequate
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[6:37] <shiftplusone> The VPUs and QPUs are there if you're brainy enough to use them as well.
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[6:50] <SpeedEvil> That too
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[7:36] <stellar_mind> hello
[7:36] <stellar_mind> anyone?
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[7:39] <djazz> hi
[7:42] <shiftplusone> stellar_mind, people don't generally answer to roll calls, only actual questions.
[7:42] <stellar_mind> I had a query, i am quite new to rpi. (fiddled around with arduino a lot) For a competition, we need our bot to detect a shuttle (Badminton)
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[7:43] <stellar_mind> Is there anyone who has tried OpenCV on an rpi, fps processing capabilities were quite dismal the first try that I gave
[7:43] <shiftplusone> Ooh, interesting.
[7:43] <Triffid_Hunter> stellar_mind: those things move pretty fast, probably a bit too quick for robots outside of well funded research labs to track
[7:43] <shiftplusone> I think what you'd find most useful would be the motion vectors
[7:44] <stellar_mind> 1
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[7:44] <stellar_mind> motion vectors?
[7:44] <stellar_mind> could you elaborate on how to use them
[7:44] <Triffid_Hunter> OpenCV is a good suite of tools, but the RPi is probably far too slow for the sort of high speed motion capture you'd want to track a shuttlecock
[7:44] <shiftplusone> For video encoding, there's a block that can compare frames to detect motion.
[7:45] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/vectors-from-coarse-motion-estimation/
[7:45] <Triffid_Hunter> pretty sure the mpeg4 encoder would be fantastic for that
[7:45] <Triffid_Hunter> mpeg4 uses optical flow pretty heavily for compression
[7:45] <shiftplusone> There was talk that instead of giving video output from what, we can give numerical values.
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[7:46] <shiftplusone> In the juggling example, you can see how it currently works.
[7:46] <stellar_mind> Our main aim is to automate the hitting mechanism, it's partly manual so we want to get our bot using a ps2 controller to the approx landing area and then it should hit on its own (we tried doing it completely manual at first, but hittng accuracy was abysmal
[7:46] <stellar_mind> oh.
[7:48] <stellar_mind> Triffid_Hunter is there any resource to read up on that? I am quite a beginner in vision and video encoding.
[7:48] <stellar_mind> Shiftplusone thanks. I am having a look at it now
[7:48] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it - you can't use the mpeg4 encoder, as there is an unfortunate hard-coded delay between the frame and the output
[7:48] <shiftplusone> I'm currently on holiday, but when I get back to the office, I can pitch your project as a reason to bring the raw numbers out.
[7:48] <Triffid_Hunter> stellar_mind: not that I've come across, strangely enough.. perhaps I'm missing something about the differences between mpeg4 compression and structure from motion
[7:48] <shiftplusone> Oh, there will certainly be some latency, so you'll need to track the motion and do some predictions
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[7:51] <shiftplusone> Read the comments on that post.... some interesting stuff.
[7:51] <stellar_mind> yes. definitely. A lot of latency, we tried testing a shuttle drop in front of the camera and doing some real-time estimation using a kalman filter(got an algo off the internet, none written on our own) but without any luck
[7:52] <PovAddict> what version of the pi?
[7:52] <stellar_mind> yes. Going through it now, thanks.
[7:52] <stellar_mind> last year's b+
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[7:52] <SpeedEvil> I question if motion is slow enough to actually have useful results from mp4
[7:53] <SpeedEvil> If the shuttlecock moves fast enough, it'll just be encoded as small still images, with no motion.
[7:53] <shiftplusone> stellar_mind, I suspect this post might also be useful http://www.raspberrypi.org/real-time-depth-perception-with-the-compute-module/
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[7:54] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, fair point.
[7:54] <shiftplusone> Might be a question for Gordon or one of those people who actually know the full capabilities of the system.
[7:55] <stellar_mind> SpeedEvil Hardly any useful results as of now.
[7:56] <qubitnerd> is the compiler written by the argon people up somewhere ? or is it closed ?
[7:56] <shiftplusone> there are quite a few assemblers out there
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[7:57] <botnut> has anyone set up a pi as a wifi ap/router? if so - how hard was it?
[7:57] <ppq> it's a bit tricky.
[7:58] <ppq> i ended up buying a 15€ plastic router and flashing openwrt
[7:58] <botnut> interesting
[7:58] <botnut> was it worth it ?
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[7:59] <ppq> fiddling with the pi? sure, you get to know some advanced networking stuff
[7:59] <ppq> but you have to find a wifi thing that is supported by hostapd first
[8:00] <SpeedEvil> I find it nice that some retail devices from big names are actually starting to support openwrt
[8:00] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/buffalo/wbmr-hp-g300h - for example - DSL modem
[8:01] <shiftplusone> stellar_mind, though I'll probably say that there are better solutions out there for you. The pi wasn't designed to do this and you need to be able to fill in the gaps yourself. While it would be awesome to see this done on the raspberry pi and it would go viral on sites like hackaday, it might not be the most practical if you don't want to spend a lot of time hacking around.
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[8:02] <SpeedEvil> Plus - there are '3d cameras' at various budgets that do things like time-of-flight measurement
[8:03] <stellar_mind> okay. I will look into it. There are some specs to the competition due to which we couldn't do similar processing on the laptop
[8:04] <stellar_mind> but yes. There is a time contraint here, will definitely have to look for alternatives.
[8:04] <shiftplusone> how much time do you have and are you willing to risk ending up in a situation where you get close but find some limitations you can't work around to make this a viable system?
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[8:04] <shiftplusone> yeah, that.
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[8:05] <stellar_mind> we have been working on the bot for over 2 months and have 3 weeks to go now
[8:05] <stellar_mind> We thought manually we would be able to control it accurately
[8:06] <stellar_mind> but anyway, do you guys think there could be an alternative to using vision? We are trying Sharp IR sensors as well for now.
[8:07] * shiftplusone isn't knowledgeable in this area (or any other, really) >.>
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[8:08] <SpeedEvil> stellar_mind: light curtains, or LIDAR
[8:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100pcs-650nm-3V-6mm-5mW-Mini-Laser-Dot-Diode-Module-Copper-Head-WL-Red-Brand-New-/400639937023?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5d480049ff
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[8:09] <botnut> stellar - ir doesn't work well outdoors
[8:09] <botnut> lidar
[8:10] <botnut> xv lidar to be exact - 360 degree ranging in a second - 150 bucks
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[8:10] <stellar_mind> whoa. Seems interesting. I wonder how no one in our team thought about this.
[8:10] <botnut> is this for school?
[8:11] <stellar_mind> Robocon, a pan asia Robotics competition for under-graduates.
[8:11] <botnut> gotcha
[8:12] <botnut> xv lidar - getsurreal.com
[8:12] <botnut> comes ready to go with arduino mini and a sketch.. plug in and go
[8:12] <stellar_mind> thanks. Will check it out immediately.
[8:12] <botnut> ;)
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[8:16] <botnut> anyone try out picamera for streaming videos from the py over the net to a browser?
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[8:46] <Mikk36> how much total memory should i be seeing on the RPi2?
[8:46] <Kuunsi> 512M
[8:46] <Mikk36> uh?
[8:47] <Mikk36> KiB Mem: 762384 total
[8:47] <Mikk36> i set the memory split at 64M
[8:47] <Mikk36> thought it had a 1GB chip on it
[8:48] <Kuunsi> oh
[8:48] <Kuunsi> yeah, my bad
[8:48] <Kuunsi> thought of raspi B+ :p
[8:49] <Mikk36> so how am i missing roughly 200 MB?
[8:50] <leio> Mikk36: Tere; how did you set the memory split?
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[8:50] <SpeedEvil> Mikk36: Some vendors hacksaw it off and sell it seperately.
[8:51] <leio> with default split (no config.txt entry about it), should see 949328
[8:51] <Mikk36> hm, seems like the memory split setting in raspi-config doesn't even change the amount available
[8:51] <leio> gpu_mem_512=foo probably doesn't change anything
[8:51] <leio> use gpu_mem_1024 or gpu_mem
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[8:52] <Mikk36> where is that file?
[8:52] <leio> I think the specific ones exist to only work on the given total memory model, so you can have the same config file for different total RAM Pi's
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[8:52] <leio> /boot/config.txt
[8:52] <leio> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[8:53] <Mikk36> hm, i've only got these two enabled there:
[8:53] <Mikk36> start_x=1
[8:53] <Mikk36> gpu_mem=128
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[8:54] <Mikk36> top: KiB Mem: 762384 total, 64004 used, 698380 free, 8700 buffers
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[8:55] <leio> that looks like 246 or 256 for GPU or something going wrong; I presue free shows the same
[8:56] <Mikk36> Mem: 762384 63924 698460 0 8780 25096
[8:57] <Mikk36> let's see if i disable camera
[8:58] <leio> dmesg |grep vc_mem.mem_size
[8:58] <leio> the same link says you need at least 128M for camera use
[8:58] <Mikk36> yeah, i know
[8:58] <Mikk36> that's why i had that gpu_mem=128 there
[8:58] <leio> check the dmesg
[8:58] <leio> what's the 0x... for mem_size?
[8:59] <Mikk36> 0x?
[8:59] <Mikk36> ah, ofc
[8:59] <Mikk36> one sec
[8:59] <Mikk36> yeah, disabling camera does nothing
[8:59] <Mikk36> 0x3f000000
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[9:00] <Mikk36> vc_mem.mem_base=0x3dc00000 vc_mem.mem_size=0x3f000000
[9:00] <leio> hmm, maybe that doesn't show what I think it shows; I have the same with 64M reserved
[9:01] <Xark> Mikk36: There is a known issue that the kernel the Foundation ships "wastes" 256MB (due to 1G/3G user/kernel memory split). They did this because Sonic Pi has issues with 2G/2G split (however, I think rpi-update will give you all memory).
[9:02] <Mikk36> ah ok, was planning to update anyway
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[9:02] * Xark links http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=99645&p=691491
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[10:12] <bint> howdy
[10:13] <bint> whats your favourite case for your raspberry - plz let me know :)
[10:15] <shiftplusone> pibow coupe
[10:17] <djazz> pibow coupe, the purple for the A+ is so cute :3
[10:18] <MY123> Is there any good cases for the Pi2B?
[10:19] <shiftplusone> yes, pibow coupe
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[10:20] * shiftplusone stops shilling for pimoroni.
[10:20] <MY123> As cheap as possible
[10:21] <shiftplusone> cut some holes in the box it came in.
[10:22] <ShorTie> i got mine mounted to a piece of 3" channel .. ;/~
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[10:22] <ShorTie> adds a little wieght to help the slide factor
[10:23] <MY123> My first Raspberry Pi was burnt when I thrown 12V to the GPIO pins...
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[10:24] <ShorTie> oops
[10:26] <MY123> After fiddling with the wrong wire of an ATX powersupply
[10:26] <mortal> got smoke?
[10:26] <MY123> mortal: the SD card smoked
[10:26] <y007ghg7> red = 5v on an atx psu :P
[10:27] <y007ghg7> ouch
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[10:29] <Encrypt> <MY123> mortal: the SD card smoked // Wow
[10:29] <Encrypt> Seems logical if you put 12V in...
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[10:32] <shiftplusone> Encrypt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYf9HK-rI1s
[10:33] <Encrypt> Hum
[10:33] <Encrypt> "Raspberry Pi overclocking failure"
[10:33] <Encrypt> It is not the correct title I'd say
[10:33] <Encrypt> Because it doesn't even boot
[10:33] <Encrypt> It should have been "Playing with 12V on a Raspberry Pi"
[10:33] <shiftplusone> Yes, the title is not serious, it's just trolling people who's point that sort of thing out ;)
[10:33] <shiftplusone> *who'd
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[10:34] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, :p
[10:34] <Encrypt> Poor Pi... :(
[10:36] <shiftplusone> It's gone to a better place.
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[10:40] <MY123> Encrypt: I also burnt a Pentium 4 Prescott with removing the fan, disabling over-temperature control, and throwing a heatsink
[10:40] <Encrypt> :p
[10:40] <MY123> ( as it was way too noisy)
[10:40] * shiftplusone thinks MY123 should be banned from approaching electronics.
[10:40] <Encrypt> MY123, I have watched several videos about it on YouTube :p
[10:41] <MY123> shiftplusone: I have a few FPGAs, a ton of unused CPUs...
[10:41] <shiftplusone> hand them over to a loving home before you kill them.
[10:43] <MY123> shiftplusone: Like the TV box of my ISP which has a unused quad-core Intel Atom without the support of a sleep mode.
[10:43] <Encrypt> General message: Encrypt collects all your CPU for free! Just send them at the address *******
[10:43] <MY123> It uses as much as 10 Pis.
[10:43] <Encrypt> :D
[10:44] <MY123> Encrypt: You will be disappointed when you see that it has a PowerVR GPU...
[10:44] <Encrypt> :p
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[10:45] <MY123> without modern drivers like Poulsbo(TM)
[10:46] <MY123> Windows Defender: Failure to update the virus database...
[10:48] <Encrypt> MY123, Install GNU/Linux ;)
[10:49] <MY123> Encrypt: I need Windows as my school uses Office365 Education...
[10:49] <Encrypt> :/
[10:51] * shiftplusone hasn't had any anti-malware or anti-virus software detect anything in years that wasn't a false positive.
[10:51] <shiftplusone> Pretty sure they're mostly useless if you stick to sensible software
[10:51] <MY123> shiftplusone: I know but when the antivirus is embedded into the OS...
[10:52] <shiftplusone> can't you disable it?
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[10:53] <MY123> shiftplusone: The system would cry every 5 minutes with a " Your system is insecure, enable Windows Defender or install your antivirus software"
[10:53] <shiftplusone> hm
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[10:53] <shiftplusone> isn't there an 'I will manage the antivirus myself' option which stops all the nagging?
[10:54] <shiftplusone> For those of you just tuning in, welcome to #badsecurityadvice.
[10:54] <MY123> shiftplusone: They removed that in Win8
[10:54] <shiftplusone> oh O_o
[10:54] <MY123> ( I used that option in XP SP2/3)
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[10:55] <MY123> shiftplusone: I would like for WinIoT for the RPi to not come with Windows Defender and Windows Update...
[10:55] <Encrypt> MY123, With an "Install MacAfee for free now!" message ? :D
[10:56] <MY123> Encrypt: No, enable Windows Defender only
[10:56] <Encrypt> They aren't funny... :p
[10:56] <MY123> (My OEM preinstalled McAfee but I removed it)
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[11:01] <BurtyB> MY123, if it's anything like what you can get for the galileo it's just open to abuse out of the box if that's any help? :)
[11:02] <MY123> BurtyB: It should be possible to port WinRT to a Raspberry Pi if a UEFI implementation is adapted
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[11:11] <qubitnerd> hey MY123
[11:11] <MY123> qubitnerd: hi
[11:11] <qubitnerd> where you the one who sent the last mail on the internals ML?
[11:12] <qubitnerd> MY123: Apparently, no visible VC4-side changes for now. All the fun is
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[11:12] <qubitnerd> apparently ARM-side
[11:14] <MY123> qubitnerd: All my VC4 bare-metal demos run the same
[11:14] <qubitnerd> ah okay .. i was surprised getting that mail on a dead mailing list ...
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[11:14] <qubitnerd> then i looked up your name on github
[11:15] <qubitnerd> the 123 part struck similar just now
[11:15] <shiftplusone> not dead, there's just not much to talk about right now. If new documentation is released or somebody does something interesting....
[11:15] <qubitnerd> hence i asked
[11:16] <leio> shiftplusone: hey, did you notice my ping about abusing your pi tower presence the other day? :P
[11:16] <MY123> shiftplusone, BCM will probably not release newer docs
[11:16] <shiftplusone> leio, say what now?
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[11:16] <qubitnerd> we need another herman hermitage to poke around and find something new :)
[11:17] <shiftplusone> qubitnerd, +1 that man was a wizard.
[11:17] <MY123> qubitnerd: I have the full shemes of the VideoCore interrupts. Going to upload that now
[11:18] <shiftplusone> leio, don't see anything of the sort in the scrollback. What do you mean?
[11:18] <qubitnerd> shiftplusone: must be all the more prominent from your perspective .. having access to NDA docs and reading hermans docs
[11:18] <leio> I'm trying to work through my scrollback too to find it and not rewrite :)
[11:18] <leio> lots of chatter in there
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[11:22] <shiftplusone> qubitnerd, I came to the conclusion before any such access. Even now, I stay away from the internal docs.
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[11:24] <shiftplusone> leio, are you referring to the question about pkg-config and wayland?
[11:24] <leio> yes
[11:24] <shiftplusone> ah
[11:25] <leio> apparently it's been 6 days
[11:25] <MY123> Android for Pi, try #1301
[11:25] <leio> so my backlog fetching didn't get there fast
[11:25] <shiftplusone> I can probably sort out the pkg-config stuff, as that seems to be the direction my responsibilities are going. I think wayland is just shelved for now until there's more money to throw at it.
[11:26] <shiftplusone> leio, sorry I didn't catch the question when you asked it. I was probably at an airport at the time and not paying attention.
[11:27] <leio> it's especially important due to the sprt-of bug of egl requiring glesv2 - pkgconfig can express that
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[11:28] <leio> unless there's a circular DT_NEEDED anyways or something
[11:28] <shiftplusone> sprt-of bug?
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[11:28] <leio> sort-of
[11:29] <shiftplusone> ah k. Mind if I PM you?
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[11:31] <shiftplusone> too late
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[11:37] * ShorTie thinkz, darn, another rpi2 crash .. ;(~
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[11:45] <MY123> ShorTie: OC or not...
[11:45] <MY123> ?
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[11:49] <ShorTie> yeah, too 1000, most likely ShorTie itus, lol.
[11:50] <ShorTie> does either of these 2 mean anything to anyone, MrGoogle is letting me down so far, sorry to be a PIB
[11:51] <ShorTie> 1. /proc/430/task/430/fd/3': No such file or directory
[11:51] <ShorTie> 2. /proc/430/task/430/fdinfo/3': No such file or directory
[11:52] <ShorTie> can't figure out what fd or fdinfo is .. ;/~
[11:53] <bint> i'm setting up a retro gaming console so far i dont care about the size but i wonder wether is better to store all files on the ssd or on e 2.5" harddisc
[11:53] <bint> talkin about performance
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[11:53] <bint> not ssd - i mean sd card
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> On the hard disk likely
[11:54] <bint> and why is it faster on the hdd?
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> hard disks can get up to 30 megabytes or so a second - the SD is somewhat slower
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> Fragmentation may change this
[11:55] <Triffid_Hunter> can the hard drive hit 30MB/s over the RPi's usb link? I have a disk on my RPi that does 150MB/s over e-sata, but the RPi only gets 2MB/s max
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[11:55] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> Certainly >>>>2M
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> For contiguous read
[11:55] <MY123> Triffid_Hunter: Pi2B?
[11:56] <Triffid_Hunter> MY123: no, Pi B
[11:56] <MY123> Triffid_Hunter: expected
[11:56] <MY123> ( if you use NTFS )
[11:57] <Triffid_Hunter> MY123: ext3 I believe
[11:57] <Triffid_Hunter> or ext4, don't remember
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[11:57] <MY123> Triffid_Hunter: So it is dwc_otg going nuts
[11:58] <Triffid_Hunter> eh?
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[12:03] <MY123> Triffid_Hunter: dwc_otg is the USB driver
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[12:05] <Triffid_Hunter> MY123: yeah probably, I do recall that running lsusb -v would cause the rpi to panic
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[12:05] <MY123> Triffid_Hunter: What does print 'uname -a'?
[12:05] <Triffid_Hunter> MY123: don't have it in front of me at the moment
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[12:14] <Stephini> gahh. i installed LXDE so i could check out minecraft and now i cant even get lxde to close without a hassle. >.< nor can i figure out how to make it not auto boot.
[12:15] <shiftplusone> Stephini, disable lightdm
[12:16] <Stephini> where would i go to do that? *tries raspi-config
[12:18] <Stephini> oh hey shiftplusone your the expert on crosscompiling i was told about. :P
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[12:19] <Stephini> ok didn't see disable lightdm but did figure out how to boot to console from raspi-config. :P thanx for making me think to check there.
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[12:30] <bint> whats the shutdown command again?
[12:30] <sivteck> `poweroff
[12:30] <Armand> sudo shutdown -h now
[12:30] <ShorTie> shutdwon now -h
[12:31] <sivteck> oh
[12:31] <sivteck> ;/
[12:31] <Armand> ;)
[12:31] <Armand> If you need sudo, that is.
[12:31] <bint> i'm root already :D
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[12:31] <ShorTie> hault i think works too, if you spell it right, lol.
[12:31] <Armand> Haha
[12:31] <sivteck> poweroff is systemd right?
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[12:33] <leio> I have it from sysvinit.
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[12:34] <Armand> Indeed, it's not skynetd.. :P
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[12:34] <sivteck> ok ;x
[12:34] <BurtyB> sivteck, said the durty word ;)
[12:35] <sivteck> burty word
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[12:43] <ShorTie> ah, think i found me problemo, triggerhappy global hotkey daemon
[12:43] <ShorTie> nobody 22490 .rc.. thd
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[13:03] <zlimvos> I have the most idiotic issue. Setup is rpi B+ (USB)->DAC(Pin)->stereo receiver. Everything works fine. When i turn off my stereo receiver, i get kernel errors, but then when i turn the receiver back on I get the same errors and DAC is not working. Only when i remove the USB between rpi and the DAC and put it back on, things start working again.
[13:04] <zlimvos> idiotic cause it makes me feel like an idiot :p don't know how to approach it
[13:05] <Triffid_Hunter> sounds like it could be a ground loop issue perhaps?
[13:09] <ShorTie> anybody know about triggerhappy and for what reason raspi-config uses it for ??
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[13:24] <doerteDev> OHAI. does anyone here repeat from a lousy rtsp security camera box to $interwebz using a raspberry?
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[13:34] <ShorTie> oh well, guess raspi-config/triggerhappy is beyound my metal capacity right now with no /dev/input/event* present, lol.
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[14:00] <turtlehat> no particularly rpi-related; can i make the clipboard in x persist when i close the application where i copied something from closes?
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[14:04] <ppq> you could use xfce4-clipman (also works in non-xfce environments)
[14:05] <ppq> it gives you a list of recent clipboard contents
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[14:05] <ppq> works both with strg+c clipboard and the other "select to copy" clipboard
[14:07] <turtlehat> thanks will have a look
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[14:17] <ShorTie> man, wonder how much of that stupid white stuff came last night, really don't feel like clearing the driveway
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[14:24] <Armand> ShorTie: Apparently it's snowing in NJ.. More fun for my wife. :P
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[14:32] <ShorTie> sun is a shining now, but we where like between the 4-8 or 6-10 forcasts, so who knows
[14:33] <Armand> Before our wedding, it rained the WHOLE week..
[14:33] <Armand> The wedding day was supposed to be 70%+ chance of rain.
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[14:34] <Armand> There was barely a cloud in the sky, on the day.
[14:34] <Armand> Following day, downpour!
[14:36] <ShorTie> but i do believe it's time to break out the sandwich bags and an extra pair of socks or 2
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[14:37] <ShorTie> gotta keep them there toe'sies warm
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[14:45] <Sasha> Hey guys, I tried updating firmware via rpi-update, and it says that it has successfully updated - issue is, uname -a says i'm still at an old version
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[14:48] <ShorTie> not sure at the moment there is much difference seeing how they are working on the rpi2 stuff and new firmware is being pushed out by apt-get
[14:48] <ShorTie> compare apt-get/github though i guess
[14:49] <MY123> I'm currently building a U-boot with RPi2B support....
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[15:27] <Gadgetoid_> Is there any secret sauce for cross compiling a Pi 2 compatible kernel? I've got a rainbow screen of death
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[15:27] <H__> GPIO question : why is the sleep in https://dpaste.de/K7Ui needed ? If I remove it the UP event triggers with the switch still pressed down.
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[15:28] <Gadgetoid_> H__, it's a "debounce" delay- it tries to ride out the period of uncertainty when the switch, in the process of being closed, is wobbling between high and low
[15:29] <H__> Gadgetoid_: is this a hardware problem ? design choice ? normal issue ? How do people handle this period ? Is sleep the way ?
[15:30] <ozzzy> H__, use a simple hardware debounce instead of software
[15:30] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: hardware problem. the metal contacts bounce, looks like http://www.micahcarrick.com/files/atmega8/tutorial_3/debounce.png on a scope
[15:30] <Gadgetoid_> H__, it's a pretty normal issue, there are ways of debouncing in hardware instead of software, but sometimes it's easier/cheaper to just use software
[15:30] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: you can't stop them bouncing, you basically just have to wait for them to finish before looking at the switch again
[15:30] <H__> very interesting
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[15:31] <ozzzy> all you need is a resistor and a capacitor
[15:31] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: that scope trace should make it obvious why a single press event might show up as 4-5 events in software without debounce ;)
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[15:31] <H__> I 'chose' 0.1s what's the time scale on that scope screenshot ? (excellent answer btw :)
[15:31] <Triffid_Hunter> ozzzy: even with RC you still need a schmitt triggered input, or software debounce
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[15:32] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: probably about 10m/s per div
[15:32] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: I guess, it's just a random image I found on google
[15:32] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: 0.1s is probably a good value, you have to really be button-mashing to press a button more than 10 times per second
[15:33] <H__> ok.now I want to better understand why this bounce occurs in the first place
[15:34] <H__> ozzzy: have you measured this bounce thingie on a scope too and does a resistor+capacitor fix it ?
[15:34] <ozzzy> yep... if you still have some bounce with just an RC add a 74HC14
[15:34] <ozzzy> H__, it 'might'
[15:34] <pksato> not only mechanical switch generate bounces. edges of square wave have similar phenomena.
[15:34] <ozzzy> you'd have to test it
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[15:34] <H__> i will ! scope arrives later this month :)
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[15:35] <ozzzy> with arduinos I put in if ( testPinHigh() ){ delay(10); if ( testPinHigh() { do something; } } you can use similar code on the Pi
[15:35] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: it happens because you can't get two pieces of metal to smoothly go from not touching to touching in a single event without going to wild mechanical extremes
[15:36] <Triffid_Hunter> ozzzy: I'm allergic to delays.. instead I'd put a timeout that must expire before reading the pin again
[15:36] <Triffid_Hunter> that way I can be off doing other things while waiting to read the button again
[15:36] <H__> Triffid_Hunter: to me that makes sense on the nanosecond scale, not on the 10's of milliseconds scale
[15:37] <Triffid_Hunter> H__: look at most switch hardware, there's usually a decent mechanical spring constant
[15:37] <H__> yes, I use a regular wall light switch for this experiment
[15:38] <H__> you mean it bounces physically ?!
[15:38] <ozzzy> yeah... they bounce physically
[15:39] <H__> ok makes total sense now. I thought you lot meant an RC-circuit type bounce
[15:39] <ozzzy> a 74HC14 is under a buck
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[15:40] <ozzzy> but find a supplier in the europe LOL
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[15:40] <ozzzy> or write in a 10ms delay LOL
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[15:41] <pksato> rpi input have a schmitt trigger.
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[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> That's not a great debounce routine
[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> There's better ways of doing it
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[15:47] <Sonny_Jim> while (testPinHigh && counter < 100) counter++
[15:47] <Sonny_Jim> or something like that, it's been a while
[15:50] <ozzzy> possibly... but the counter changes with processor speed
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[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> Erk
[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> The problem with the first approach is that two triggers at exactly 10ms apart will trigger
[15:55] <Sonny_Jim> The second approach if you are worried about CPU speed, just put in a small delay
[15:55] <ozzzy> if you can press a button twice in 10ms my hat's off to you
[15:55] <ozzzy> =)
[15:55] <Sonny_Jim> It's not so much about you pressing it
[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> But flakey contacts
[15:56] <Sonny_Jim> I did a bit of work with pinball machines so an intermittent switch isn't that unlikely
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[15:56] <ozzzy> nope... and the cheap mom buttons they make these days are flakier than a box of cereal
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[15:57] <ozzzy> but... the springs in light switches are pretty tough.... they'll slam the contacts together nicely
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[15:58] <ozzzy> with a mom switch I generally execute on the release and run a timer on them to see how long they've been down
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[15:58] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, was about to suggest that
[15:58] <Sonny_Jim> There's some example code here;
[15:58] <Sonny_Jim> http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Debounce
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[15:59] <Sonny_Jim> With pinball it was all about making sure a ball had settled on a switch nicely, so we ran counters to make sure the ball hadn't left the switch and retriggered it
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[16:01] <aftrumpet> Has anyone here tried to use Adafruit's PiTFT with the Rasperry Pi 2?
[16:01] <aftrumpet> Every time I try to install it, I get the rainbow screen of death
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[16:03] <ozzzy> Sonny_Jim, that's a decent strategy unless you want something to happen WHILE the button is pressed... which puts you back to the delay or counter (or hardware)
[16:04] <Sonny_Jim> Well, the code didn't look exactly like what I had posted
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[16:11] <Sonny_Jim> Bah
[16:11] <omfgtora> hola
[16:12] <omfgtora> buenos dias
[16:12] <Sonny_Jim> Don't you just love it when your ISP reboots your modem?
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[16:12] <omfgtora> yes
[16:12] <omfgtora> i mean... si
[16:12] <Sonny_Jim> Problem is my Pi is connected to the USB port of the router, so when it reboots it cuts power to my Pi :\
[16:12] <IT_Sean> omfgtora: The official channel language is English, please speak English in #spiceworks
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Also, I am going to have to ask you to change your username, omfgtora.
[16:13] <omfgtora> this is #spiceworks?
[16:13] <IT_Sean> crap, sorry... wong channel... meant #raspberrypi :p
[16:13] <IT_Sean> herp a derp
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[16:13] <IT_Sean> My request still stands.
[16:14] <omfgtora> and spoke to mods before about the name and they were okay with it, it is only a letter
[16:14] <IT_Sean> which mods?
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[16:14] <omfgtora> off the top of my head, i dont know. it's been at least a month
[16:14] <IT_Sean> Was it a forum mod, or an IRC channel staffer?
[16:15] <omfgtora> IRC channel, as far as i know
[16:15] <IT_Sean> Okay, i'll speak with the other staffers, buty, for now, please remove the "f"
[16:15] <omfgtora> let me see if i have logs for it
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[16:15] <IT_Sean> thank you
[16:17] <IT_Sean> om_gtora: I've spoken with our channel staffers, and any nic with "omfg" in it is not acceptable as per the channel language policy. THank you for changing it.
[16:19] <ShorTie> actually, om_gtora is still pushing it in my book
[16:20] <om_gtora> okay, it just went from sorta pedantic to completely pedantic. i'm just gonna leave if the mods are gonna be like this.
[16:20] <MY123> IT_Sean: The rules are still not pushed
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[16:21] <MY123> IT_Sean: and there is a year delay between the change and it being enforced
[16:21] <ShorTie> i try, lol.
[16:21] <IT_Sean> Works for me.
[16:22] <IT_Sean> MY123: when we see an issue, we address it. We may not catch every one. We are only humans, afterall.
[16:23] <diffra> o_O
[16:23] <diffra> Was that satire?
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[16:27] <ShorTie> i do most of mine by notices any ways, so only they see it
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[16:30] <turtlehat> Sonny_Jim, seems like a flimsy way to power the pi if you want it to remain on :p
[16:30] <Sonny_Jim> It was easier than reaching down the back of the cabinet and trying to plug in a power adapter ;-)
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[16:31] <Sonny_Jim> Also, I didn't expect the USB port to have power cut on a reboot
[16:32] <turtlehat> maybe it has one of those ports that detects an overload, and is able to cut power in that case
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[16:32] <turtlehat> makes sense to me that it would cut on reboot, PIDOOMA
[16:32] <McBride36> IT_Sean, #spiceworks? Dune fan?
[16:33] <IT_Sean> No.
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[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, it does make sense, I just didn't expect it lol
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[16:39] <MY123> aaa801@aaa801-devbox:~$ sudo dd if=./pi-snappy.img of=/dev/sdd bs=1M
[16:39] <MY123> <aaa801> 2861+1 records in
[16:39] <MY123> <aaa801> 2861+1 records out
[16:39] <MY123> <aaa801> 3000000000 bytes (3.0 GB) copied, 1.76723 s, 1.7 GB/s
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[16:39] <MY123> A weird SD card flashing error.
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[16:39] <cehteh> nice speed :D
[16:40] <cehteh> note that dd has a conv=fsync option
[16:41] <MY123> cehteh: This was took from a PC with 48GB of RAM
[16:41] <cehteh> suspected such :)
[16:42] <MY123> cehteh: It builds a whole Android build in 1h30
[16:42] <diffra> MY123, might wanna run a sync there
[16:42] <cehteh> .. dd conv=sync
[16:42] <MY123> diffra: why ?
[16:43] <aaa801> its the kernel driver for def
[16:43] <diffra> your flashing error is that your entire image is stuck in write cache
[16:43] <aaa801> gparted has no effect on this fucker
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[16:44] <aaa801> mhm
[16:44] <aaa801> conv=sync is doing something to id
[16:44] <aaa801> it*
[16:44] <aaa801> but that doesn't explain why gparted borked hard
[16:44] * aaa801 hugs diffra
[16:44] <MY123> aaa801, Your SD card is readed/written to as it was RAM
[16:44] <aaa801> opps, didnt realise i was in #rpi
[16:45] <aaa801> sorry for the language
[16:45] <diffra> Also, i don't think conv=sync does what you're thinking ti does
[16:46] <diffra> "pad every input block with NULs to ibs-size; when used with block or unblock, pad with spaces rather than NULs"
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[16:46] <aaa801> ive never had to use sync before on my other readers, seems odd
[16:46] <MY123> aaa801, you have an appreciable amount of RAM
[16:47] <aaa801> oddly, dcfldd works out of box
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[16:48] <diffra> whoa, i hadn't heard of that
[16:48] <diffra> but it has a progress indicator
[16:48] <diffra> which is my biggest complaing about dd
[16:48] * diffra is sold
[16:49] <aaa801> yeah, it auto syncs and has auto bs aswell
[16:49] <aaa801> sudo dcfldd if=./pi-snappy.img of=/dev/sdf
[16:49] <aaa801> 62976 blocks (1968Mb) written.
[16:49] <aaa801> great alternative
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[17:03] <MY123> arch/arm/mm/mmu.c: In function ‘early_paging_init’:
[17:03] <MY123> arch/arm/mm/mmu.c:1424:2: error: implicit declaration of function ‘fixup_pv_table’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[17:03] <MY123> arch/arm/mm/mmu.c:1424:18: error: ‘__pv_table_begin’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[17:03] <MY123> arch/arm/mm/mmu.c:1424:18: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in
[17:03] <MY123> arch/arm/mm/mmu.c:1425:5: error: ‘__pv_table_end’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[17:03] <MY123> cc1: some warnings being treated as errors
[17:04] <MY123> Compilation problem on the RPi2
[17:04] <diffra> What are you compiling?
[17:04] <MY123> diffra: Linux
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[17:04] <diffra> I guess that was obvious in hindsight
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[17:06] <leio> it seems a warning, not an error.
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[17:06] <leio> (but -Werror is set)
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[17:07] <aaa801> yeah, werror is pretty normal for the kernel
[17:07] <Armand> Looks like fun..
[17:07] <aaa801> MY123: where is that tree on my box?
[17:07] <MY123> aaa801, rpi2/linux
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[17:09] <MY123> leio: I hope that it is not a bad kernel...
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[17:14] <aaa801> mhm
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[17:21] <WACOMalt_> Hi folks
[17:22] * chxane (~chxane@pool-173-62-176-138.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[17:22] <WACOMalt_> I have a specific goal and I'm trying to find the window manager that will accomplish it. Basically my current approach is multiple X servers running single programs. And I switch via CTL Alt F7 F8 etc etc
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[17:23] <WACOMalt_> I need a window manager that can do the same thing, multiple windows open, but each is completely full screen, no window decorations, and only way to switch windows is a keyboard shortcut
[17:24] <diffra> WACOMalt, check out i3
[17:24] <diffra> or Awesome
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[17:26] <diffra> Here's an example with several windows open, but it works with just one big window as well: https://lggagnon.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/dirty.jpg
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[17:34] <anunnaki> is it possible to host a decent game server on rpi? i wanted to set up civilization beyond earth on my pi
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[17:36] <Sonny_Jim> anunnaki: Unless it's open source, I can't see it happening
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[17:38] <WACOMalt_> diffra: is it able to have multiple windows open, but all are full screen?
[17:38] <WACOMalt_> like overlapping and you just switch between them?
[17:39] <WACOMalt_> or maybe each program would need to run in its own "workspace"
[17:39] <diffra> Yep, each it's own workspace, and you select the workspace to switch to that program
[17:39] <diffra> or set of programs, if you choose
[17:39] <WACOMalt_> cool that sounds perfect
[17:39] <WACOMalt_> and there are keyboard shortcuts to switch between workspaces?
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[17:39] <WACOMalt_> basically this machine will be a music player and typewrite. that's it.
[17:40] <WACOMalt_> tab 1 is pianobar for pandora
[17:40] <WACOMalt_> tab 2 is banshee or some local music player
[17:40] <WACOMalt_> tab 3 is libreoffice
[17:40] <WACOMalt_> may have a 4th for web browsing, but not sure
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[17:47] <Bebbzor> hi, i am new to raspberry pi.. i have an old "laptop" that i dont use anymore, is it possible to connect this display to the pi? > http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAPTOP-LCD-SCREEN-FOR-ASUS-EEE-PC-900HD-8-9-WSVGA-/170500752752
[17:48] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
[17:48] <Sonny_Jim> laptop displays use a different protocol so you'll need an adapter
[17:48] <Bebbzor> ok
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[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> LVDS
[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-Driver-LVDS-Inverter-Kit-Convert-a-Bare-Laptop-LCD-into-Monitor-/111115624120
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[17:50] <Bebbzor> pretty expensive, then its maybe better to buy an display that works right out of the box?
[17:50] <Bebbzor> or are all those display small?
[17:52] <Sonny_Jim> Personally, I would buy a cheap display that has HDMI input
[17:52] <Sonny_Jim> Or maybe use the Pi headless and use the old laptop to ssh into it
[17:52] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on what you plan to use the Pi for
[17:52] <McBride36> ^ best idea
[17:52] <McBride36> headless is bestest
[17:53] <Sonny_Jim> If it's graphical stuff, get a display. If you just want to mess around with Linux, then I would just use an old laptop
[17:53] <Bebbzor> ok thx
[17:53] <McBride36> you could also use vnc or x11
[17:53] <hinv> anybody do power measurements on the new Pi2?
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[17:56] <Davespice> anyone here good with Orbital mechanics / maths? please PM me :)
[17:56] <Davespice> afk for a bit
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> ##space
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> #space even
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[18:07] <hinv> to answer my own question about Pi2 power consumption, this is an excellent video:
[18:07] <hinv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhio0dE4Dzk
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[18:11] <Sonny_Jim> Davespice: #kspofficial on irc.esper.net :-)
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[18:15] <Giddles> can i run the b+ with an 1,2amp power 5v supply?
[18:15] * veonik_ is now known as veonik
[18:15] <Syliss> yes
[18:15] <PovAddict> I run the B on a 0.7amp power supply
[18:15] <PovAddict> as long as I don't plug anything power-eating in the USB ports, it lives
[18:15] <Syliss> i run a b on an iphone charger
[18:15] <Giddles> well picam + wlan ...
[18:15] <Giddles> b+2
[18:15] <hinv> PovAddict, Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhio0dE4Dzk
[18:16] <Giddles> i meant
[18:16] <Syliss> you mean pi 2
[18:16] <Syliss> ?
[18:16] <PovAddict> hinv: too long
[18:16] <PovAddict> :P
[18:16] <hinv> it is most excellent
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[18:16] <hinv> in the introduction, you can see the author has a root canal on the left side of his lower jaw
[18:17] <hinv> at least that is my guess
[18:17] <hinv> if I had a google account I would ask him
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[18:22] <Bilby> !summon BigShip
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[18:22] <foob-> Has anyone had any issues with forcing sound through the 3.5m jack on a fully updated Pi2? i tried setting it all different ways i could yesterday and sound would still always come through HDMI
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[18:24] <WACOMalt_> is it normal for BErryboot to freeze when cloning an OS?
[18:24] <Bilby> foob- you've tried the raspi-config setting and the command line trigger?
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[18:27] <Bebbzor> Samsung MicroSDHC 8GB Class 6 is this good for the raspberry pi2 or should i go with class 10?
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[18:28] <Bilby> Bebbzor either is fine. Realistically not much difference in speed
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[18:29] <WACOMalt_> does the Pi2 have the ethernet and USB on different busses?
[18:29] <WACOMalt_> or are they still the same like on Pi B+?
[18:30] <WACOMalt_> And, has anyone run Openarena on a Pi2? Id like to know how it does
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> It's exactly the same as the Pi1
[18:31] <WACOMalt_> Dang
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> It shares a single USB port with the network, and four USB ports with a hub
[18:31] <WACOMalt_> Wonder if BananaPi 2 will happen :P
[18:31] <WACOMalt_> I want to make a raspi NAS
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> There are much faster devices out there for a similar or identical price
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> you likely want one with GE and SATA
[18:32] <WACOMalt_> but USB speed over 10/100 Ethernet, shared with the USB.. is kinda pointless
[18:32] <WACOMalt_> right
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[18:34] <Bebbzor> rpi2 running xbmc/kodi is it ideally to have it wired or wireless with an Edimax EW-7811Un 150Mbps 11n Wi-Fi USB Adapter or something?
[18:34] <Bebbzor> i dont need it to be wireless since it will be close to the router
[18:35] <Bebbzor> and my internet speed is ++ so wifi wont be slow
[18:35] <Giddles> so
[18:35] <Giddles> i buyed the b+2
[18:35] <Giddles> :D
[18:35] <foob-> Bilby yes, sorry i was afk
[18:36] <Giddles> with an 2amp power supply
[18:36] <Giddles> woooo :D *clebration, felicitation*
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[18:37] <SpeedEvil> Wired or wireless is unlikely to make very much difference.
[18:38] <Bebbzor> ok i see
[18:38] <Bilby> foob- no worries. odd.
[18:38] <Bebbzor> is heatsink for the processor needed?
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[18:39] <WACOMalt_> nope
[18:39] <WACOMalt_> most of them are cheap and actually make it worse
[18:39] <Bebbzor> ah
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[18:40] <SpeedEvil> If you must - a tiny, tiny fan blowing on the PCB under the CPU is probably not insane
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> But it's in most cases not needed.
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> If your environment may exceed 50C - then it's probably not a bad idea
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[18:41] <Bilby> Bebbzor as a point of reference, i've been running a LAMP server on a Pi 1 B for a couple weeks with a towel sitting on top to block the LEDs... no heat problems
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[18:43] <WACOMalt_> ^ not recommended lol
[18:44] <WACOMalt_> but definitely a good example
[18:44] <Bilby> Well, it's a hand towel... I'm not a monster :P
[18:45] <McBride36> SpeedEvil, out of curiosity, why do you say blowing underneath the pcb instead of on top?
[18:45] <Bilby> and technically there's a Wolfrum card on it, though it's not in use
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[18:49] <SpeedEvil> McBride36: the bottom of the PCB is better thermally connected to the package than the top
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> I suspect anyway - this was certainly teh case for the Pi1
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[18:50] <McBride36> either way, air circulation helps
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[19:01] <day> has anyone recently ordered at pollin/reichelt (germany) both claim they have raspberry2s in stock
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[19:02] <Giddles> i ordered actual at reichelt
[19:02] <day> any feedback?
[19:02] <Giddles> nope, 2 days postal forecast
[19:02] <Giddles> and reichelt got this 2amps power supply now
[19:02] <day> hm last time i ordered there when they claimed (in stock) it shifted to 26.02
[19:03] <Giddles> hmk
[19:03] <Giddles> i was lucky on pib+
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[19:03] <Giddles> after christmas it was cheap and available
[19:04] <day> i wanted to wait for the pbox c1. But i need an replacement asap now :(
[19:04] <Giddles> pbox at reichelt?
[19:04] <day> no. its not even announced yet when its going to be available (if)
[19:04] <Giddles> its available
[19:04] <Giddles> i got a mail on midday from reichelt
[19:04] <day> eh?
[19:05] <day> http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/01/30/online-labs-pbox-c1-node-is-an-arm-mini-server-with-4-gigabit-ethernet-ports-msata-and-mpcie-slots/
[19:05] <day> that thing? is available at reichelt?
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[19:05] <Giddles> ah no
[19:05] <Giddles> :)
[19:05] <Giddles> sorry i was missunderstanding you, thought its above b+2
[19:05] <day> u crushed my hopes once again :D
[19:05] <day> it is/was
[19:05] <Giddles> there is no hope :D
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[19:15] <WACOMalt_> i3 is nice
[19:15] <WACOMalt_> still learning how to scipt it for startup
[19:21] <day> i really like it as well, using it for ages. But it has problems with suspend and wakeup :/ some programs completely screw it over
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[19:23] <WACOMalt_> aw dang
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[19:25] <WACOMalt_> Right now I'm trying to set up my /etc/profile in such a way as to launch a few programs at startup
[19:25] <WACOMalt_> cant quite get it working correctly
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[19:35] <Stellar_Mind> anyone know of a way to dynamically change a parameter using pressure as the independent variable? how do i input a pressure value as analog values?
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[19:37] <ozzzy> Stellar_Mind, are you using an arduino or raspi... as you've asked in both channels
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[19:38] <Encrypt> Stellar_Mind, Pressure sensor -> analog to digital converter -> GPIO -> get the value in your program -> use it
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[19:39] <Encrypt> Stellar_Mind, You can use that: https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/17/ADC-Pi-V2---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
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[19:39] <heller\> hehe Encrypt, i got on on my hands and trying to figure out how to use the i2c :p
[19:39] <Encrypt> :
[19:39] <Encrypt> :þ
[19:40] <Stellar_Mind> I have both an Rpi and a mega. Whichever is easier to execute will be finally used.
[19:40] <Encrypt> Simpler version: https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/39/ADC-DAC-Pi-Raspberry-Pi-ADC-and-DAC-expansion-board
[19:40] <Encrypt> Stellar_Mind, Well, it depends
[19:40] <Stellar_Mind> we are in a desperate mode atm so the frantic calls for help
[19:41] <heller\> can someone give me pointers on the ADCPi?
[19:41] <Encrypt> If you want to switch on an LED with a given pressure threshold
[19:41] <Encrypt> Then the mega is adapted
[19:41] <Encrypt> But if you want to send the values to a server and do other complicated stuff
[19:41] <Encrypt> Then, you should use the Pi
[19:42] <Stellar_Mind> no server, just direct execution of code to implement a serving mechanism for a badminton arm
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[19:42] <heller\> Stellar_Mind: use arduino pro mini for that
[19:43] <Encrypt> +1
[19:43] <Encrypt> BTW...
[19:43] <Encrypt> The ADC...
[19:44] <Encrypt> £13.79 :O
[19:44] <Encrypt> Why that expensive? :O
[19:44] <heller\> yeah its wel
[19:44] <heller\> you get few pro minis for that :p
[19:44] <Encrypt> :p
[19:44] <heller\> the ADCPi is almost £20
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[19:44] <heller\> but i got it from work :P
[19:44] <heller\> so im good
[19:44] <Encrypt> For a few more pounds, I'm hoping to produce the Raspberry Pi Saver
[19:45] <heller\> hmm?
[19:45] <Encrypt> With 80 components
[19:45] <Encrypt> Prices are sometimes crazy
[19:45] <heller\> true
[19:45] <heller\> but not many places sell that sort of shield
[19:45] <heller\> for raspberry pi
[19:45] <heller\> or i havent seen one
[19:45] <Encrypt> Yeah
[19:46] <heller\> but also i havent looked around much
[19:46] <heller\> now i just need to know how to use it :p
[19:46] <Encrypt> They are making the most of this situation...
[19:46] <heller\> oh well
[19:46] <heller\> time to go afk
[19:47] <heller\> laters
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[19:48] <Stellar_Mind> hmm
[19:48] <bynarie> are the model B and pi2 cases compatible?
[19:49] <Encrypt> I'd say yes
[19:49] <Encrypt> But I'm not sure
[19:49] <IT_Sean> I believe so, but don't bet your life on it. :p
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[19:50] <PovAddict> bynarie: no
[19:50] <PovAddict> B+ and Pi2 are compatible
[19:50] <IT_Sean> Ah, that's what I was thinking of.
[19:50] <Encrypt> Ah, "B"
[19:50] <PovAddict> but a model B case won't have the holes for the extra USB ports, for example
[19:50] <Encrypt> :D
[19:51] <Encrypt> My brain thought "B+" :D
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[19:52] <IT_Sean> Aye, mine as well.
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[20:02] <bynarie> so theres a B and a B+? and not the rasppi2
[20:02] <bynarie> ?
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[20:03] <day> B B+ 2 all exist bynarie
[20:04] <bynarie> i know 2 exist.. im saying theres a B and B+ outside of the pi 2
[20:04] <day> thats what i just said?!
[20:04] <bynarie> so say a pi 1 B, b+
[20:04] <bynarie> shits confusing lol.. thank
[20:04] <bynarie> thanks*
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[20:08] <PigFlu> Is anyone here familiar with making applications or GUI for the pi using QT?
[20:08] <day> how is that pi specific?
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[20:08] <teclo-> PigFlu: probably not, look on google about QT, or perhaps read a book about QT...
[20:09] <PigFlu> its not pi specific i guess..
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[20:10] <WACOMalt_> is it possible to convert a berryboot disk image into a normal install?
[20:11] <WACOMalt_> with all changes
[20:11] <bynarie> PigFlu, QT creator is a good IDE for c/c++ and qt framework
[20:11] <PigFlu> is it easy to cross compile?
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[20:12] <PovAddict> why would you want to? it's packaged in raspbian
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[20:12] <day> because its faster on a modern i7 than a single core arm...just aguess
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[20:13] <PigFlu> yea, i dont want to be sitting on the pi, developing
[20:13] <PovAddict> ah
[20:14] <PovAddict> well you can run qtcreator on a computer, and compile natively
[20:14] <PovAddict> and when you're done, compile natively on the pi
[20:14] <PovAddict> no need for cross compiling, unless your final app will take long to compile :)
[20:14] <PigFlu> ah.. thats not half dumb, actually
[20:14] <PigFlu> will there really be no difference?
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[20:16] <WACOMalt_> anyone in here have experience with i3 window manager?
[20:16] <bynarie> PigFlu, what archs are u cross compiling for?
[20:18] <PigFlu> uhm, the new raspberry pi
[20:18] <PigFlu> wait, what do you mean
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[20:27] <_Trullo> where is the hd compatibitly list for the raspberry pi 2?
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> hard disk?
[20:27] <Bilby> saywhatnow?
[20:27] <_Trullo> sdcard whatever, the thing that has the operating system :)
[20:28] <Bilby> dot dot dot
[20:28] <PovAddict> _Trullo: chances are all hard disks will work but will need a powered USB hub
[20:28] <PovAddict> ah sdcard
[20:28] <Bilby> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
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[20:28] <Bilby> You may want to try a search before you ask in here :)
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[20:28] <_Trullo> lazy
[20:29] <_Trullo> is that list for the 1 or 2 version?
[20:29] <_Trullo> or same problem with version 2?
[20:30] <Bilby> no difference in SD card handling in the versions
[20:30] <Bilby> my experience has been that almost any SD card plays pretty well, though I have generally stuck to samsung
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[20:30] <McBride36> anyone had bad experiences with kingston?
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[20:32] <day> i think some people do this as a hobby :D dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -n
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[20:33] <ppq> 460832 texlive-fonts-extra
[20:33] <ppq> ugh.
[20:33] <day> holy
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[20:34] <aaa801> severe bordom has led me to compile ppsspp with neon and fix up the cmakefile
[20:34] <aaa801> lol
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> I hear that
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> Boredom has made me compile the latest MESS on the Pi
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> It's getting there, slowly
[20:35] <aaa801> ha we can finally use the -j flag
[20:35] <Sonny_Jim> This is a Pi B
[20:35] <Bilby> Does that flag play J-Pop while the OS is compiling?
[20:35] <PovAddict> it runs multiple jobs at the same time
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[20:35] <day> -jk
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[20:36] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[20:36] <aaa801> you poor soul D:
[20:36] <Sonny_Jim> -march makes it walk funny
[20:36] <PovAddict> lol
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[20:37] <aaa801> arggg, time to fight the cmake agian
[20:37] <aaa801> /opt/vc/include/interface/vmcs_host/vcgencmd.h:33:27: fatal error: vchost_config.h: No such file or directory
[20:37] <aaa801> #include "vchost_config.h"
[20:39] <aaa801> eah, where the hell is it
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[20:39] <aaa801> aha /opt/vc/include/interface/vmcs_host/linux/vchost_config.h
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[21:03] <H__> my observatory roof control is installed and tested \o/
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[21:04] <aaa801> :o
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[21:07] <aaa801> quite intrested to see how ppsspp will run with neon enabled
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[22:00] <WACOMalt> Is there a chat channel for i3 window manager?
[22:00] <WACOMalt> #i3 is oddly blank but filled with people
[22:01] <PigFlu> when i run "startx" it just hangs on the error "FATAL: Module g2d_23 not found."
[22:01] <PigFlu> what do?
[22:01] <IT_Sean> Have you tried asking a question in there, WACOMalt?
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[22:02] <WACOMalt> I did
[22:03] <WACOMalt> it has no topic or indication what the channel is. for all I know it's about intel i3 processors or something
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[22:13] <WACOMalt> whats the built in wifi config gui program?
[22:13] <WACOMalt> and is there any more straightforward (TV friendly) alternative?
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[22:18] <Bilby> What are you using? Kodi?
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[22:20] <PigFlu> how do i change the keyboard mapping?
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[22:26] <WACOMalt> Bilby, Raspbian, using i3 as a window manager
[22:27] <WACOMalt> ilso is there a good music player for pi that supports playlists and such and has a GUI?
[22:27] <WACOMalt> like banshee or somesuch?
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[22:28] <WACOMalt> oh derp, banshee exists for pi
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[22:30] <aaa801> so, compiled ppsspp for the pi
[22:30] <aaa801> annnnd * failed to open vchiq instance
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[22:33] <WACOMalt> aaa801, do you think it will actually perform anywhere near usable even if you get it working?
[22:33] <aaa801> WACOMalt: with neon and the rpi2,
[22:33] <aaa801> possibly
[22:33] <Sonny_Jim> What is ppsspp?
[22:33] <WACOMalt> hmmm
[22:34] <WACOMalt> it barely runs on my phone with 3x the processor of the pi2
[22:34] <WACOMalt> and 3x the ram
[22:34] <WACOMalt> PSP emulator Sonny_Jim
[22:34] <WACOMalt> what is neon?
[22:35] <aaa801> http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/neon.php
[22:35] <WACOMalt> uhoh, looks like sudo-apt-get install banshee is installing a ton of gnome stuff
[22:35] <aaa801> lol
[22:35] <WACOMalt> fark, didnt know it was gnome dependant
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[22:35] <PrinceProspero> Is anyone out there having their rpi2 power LED blinking? I purchased mine about a week ago and its been fine, but now I noticed that the red LED has started to blink. Does that indicate a power? Lack of current?
[22:36] <WACOMalt> whats a good media player that does playlists and isnt as heavy as banshee?
[22:36] <PrinceProspero> I shot a quick 6 seconds video of it: https://vid.me/J4xH
[22:36] <aaa801> egl error, unable to create egl display
[22:36] <aaa801> ;_;
[22:36] <WACOMalt> aaa801, silly question, as you running an X server at all?
[22:36] <WACOMalt> *are
[22:36] <aaa801> yeah
[22:36] <WACOMalt> ok
[22:36] <aaa801> i have lxde running on my rpi on the tv
[22:37] <PrinceProspero> The rpi2 works fine through SSH/VNC thats Im using but Im a little skeptical about the blinking power LED
[22:38] <WACOMalt> generally that just means low amerpage
[22:38] <WACOMalt> what power supply you using?
[22:38] <WACOMalt> *amperage
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[22:39] <PrinceProspero> 5V and 2A
[22:40] <PrinceProspero> Through the USB ive connected an external HDD and keyboard (both of which has their own external source of power)
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[22:44] <WACOMalt> PrinceProspero, Id say just ignore unless it causes issues :X
[22:45] <Sonny_Jim> A USB keyboard that has it's own power?
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[22:47] <PrinceProspero> Well, the USB keyboard works as an USB hub as well, the Logitech G19.
[22:48] <PrinceProspero> Im not completely sure if it provides power to the keyboard or just the hub though
[22:49] <PrinceProspero> Well, I tried with another 5V/2A power source now, and I cant notice any blinking. Perhaps that one was just faulty
[22:49] <PrinceProspero> Is there any 'safe' way of checking if a mobile charger is faulty or not?
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[22:50] <PrinceProspero> Measuring it with an Amp meter or so
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[22:58] <teclo-> hi, I'm having problems. Yesterday: end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblkc0 mmcbilk0: error -110 transferring data
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[22:58] <Sonny_Jim> Have you run fsck?
[22:59] <teclo-> Today, *after reinstalling the system on the SDHC card*: ext4-fs error: device macblk0p2: mb_free_blocks: 1300: group 28: freeing already free block
[22:59] <teclo-> what's going on ?
[22:59] <Sonny_Jim> Is this a new card?
[23:00] <teclo-> uhhh I bought it two years ago I think
[23:00] <aaa801> righty, lets try libretro version of ppsspp
[23:00] <aaa801> clang builds pretty dam fast
[23:00] <Sonny_Jim> So you've used it before and not had issue?
[23:01] <teclo-> yep^it worked very well in my Canon EOS
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[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm ok, what sort of PSU are you using?
[23:01] <teclo-> an Apple PSU (sorry)
[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> That should be fine then
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[23:02] <aaa801> dont apple psus need a retarded handshake to get full ampage?
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[23:02] <Sonny_Jim> I have no idea
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[23:02] <aberrant> my new microsd card is coming today
[23:02] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried a different cable?
[23:02] <aberrant> my last one failed to work in my rpi2
[23:03] <aberrant> would just lock up the system - no errors, nothing.
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[23:03] <teclo-> Sonny_Jim: no
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> Do you have a multimeter?
[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> Also, is this a Pi1 or a Pi2?
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[23:06] <teclo-> Pi1
[23:06] <teclo-> yes I do have a multimeter :)
[23:06] <teclo-> well when I wrote to the card it was not on the Apple PSU, it was connected to powered usb hub
[23:07] <Sonny_Jim> Ah
[23:07] <Sonny_Jim> Bad PSU can cause card corruption
[23:07] <Sonny_Jim> But if you want, you can measure the voltage off the board to see if it's low
[23:08] <teclo-> ok, where do I put the + and - probes ?
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[23:08] <aaa801> doesnt really matter, youl know if there connected wrong as youl get negative :P
[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
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[23:10] <teclo-> Sonny_Jim: thanks alot, that's very interesting, with the pictures
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[23:17] <ShorTie> whelp, f2fs and basic image/install works
[23:18] <ShorTie> not sure about desktop, checking the work in progress on that 1, lol.
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[23:19] <ShorTie> anybody boored and feel like playing with making a raspbian image on a pi for the pi ??
[23:19] <ShorTie> it also will write it out to a sdcard if you got 1 attached
[23:20] <ShorTie> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1fx96twlmkv7f2t/my_raspbian.sh?dl=0
[23:21] <ali1234> can i run that not on a raspberry pi?
[23:21] <ShorTie> nop, it uses info off your current pi
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[23:22] <ali1234> what info?
[23:22] <ShorTie> like user,time zone, locals, passwords
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[23:23] <ali1234> can you make it fetch the stuff by ssh?
[23:23] <ShorTie> fetch stuff by ssh from your pi ??
[23:23] <ali1234> yes
[23:24] <ShorTie> if you patch it in i'll add it, but not really interested in that, at this time atleast
[23:24] <ali1234> does it create an auto resizing image?
[23:25] <Encrypt> Wow ShorTie
[23:25] <ShorTie> i can do that, but haven't as of yet
[23:25] <Encrypt> If I had time... and enough courage
[23:25] <ShorTie> brian sortta getting optioned out
[23:25] <Encrypt> I'd do the same :x
[23:25] <ShorTie> Laughs Out Loud
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[23:26] <ali1234> it's this "Adjust a few things section" right?
[23:26] <ShorTie> unlike net-install, this uses the foundation's bootloader and kernels
[23:26] <ali1234> it just copies files from the live system
[23:27] <ali1234> it looks pretty good
[23:27] <ShorTie> nop, it creates an image file, then does all it's cdebootstrap and stuff in it
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[23:27] <ali1234> yes and then it copies a bunch of files from the local system like /etc/passwd /boot/config.txt etc
[23:28] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[23:28] <ali1234> that's the only section that actually needs to run on the pi?
[23:28] <ali1234> the rest should be fine on any linux system by the looks of it
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[23:28] <Sonny_Jim> WinSCP is a very easy way to use ssh to transfer files
[23:28] <ShorTie> i guess, kinda brian burned right now, lol.
[23:28] <McBride36> i like sshfs
[23:28] <ali1234> not in a bash script :P
[23:29] <ShorTie> i like the f2fs adventure, hehe
[23:30] <ShorTie> guess if doing a jessie install i could just apt-get it instead of github`n it
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[23:31] <ali1234> actually it would be neat if this was split up into more than one script (or more than one function)
[23:32] <ali1234> one to make the image, one to install bootloader files, one to make the root filesystem as a tarball, and one to put it into the image
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[23:33] <ShorTie> ya, ya, i'm more of a old school basic peep
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[23:34] <ali1234> you should also be able to get rid of the root requirement using fakeroot
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[23:35] <WACOMalt> Whats a good music play for Pi that simply shows drives and lets you make a playlist?
[23:35] <ali1234> at least until you untar the tarball anyway
[23:35] <WACOMalt> *player
[23:35] <WACOMalt> clementine is too heavy, banshee doesnt let you just browse files
[23:35] <ShorTie> dude, i'm a chicen farm, not some edumacted programer
[23:35] <ali1234> well you got this far
[23:35] <ShorTie> s/chicen/chicken
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[23:39] <brennen> WACOMalt: deadbeef, maybe?
[23:39] <brennen> haven't used it in a while, but it was pretty lean. might be a build.
[23:39] <WACOMalt> cool, I'll try it. thanks!
[23:40] <PigFlu> my red PWR LED keeps blinking irregularly.. wat do
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[23:41] <Bilby> PigFlu I think you got a bomb in the mail, and not a Raspberry Pi
[23:41] <PigFlu> D:
[23:41] <Bilby> I suggest you cut the red wire. maybe.
[23:42] <PigFlu> it's counting down as well.. about 2 minutes left. is this bad?
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[23:42] <shiftplusone> PigFlu, get a better power supply and/or cable.
[23:42] <Bilby> You need movie time so you have at least an hour to actually fix it
[23:42] <PigFlu> but honestly, the power supply is legit. its a proper samsung usb adapter, rated at 1500 mA
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[23:42] <Sonny_Jim> Cheap cable?
[23:42] <PigFlu> come to think of it, the cable is a shitty ebay cable
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[23:43] <PigFlu> the pi itself has been working fine though
[23:43] <PigFlu> steady hdmi output
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[23:45] <Bilby> so the pi is working but light is blinking?
[23:46] <Bilby> that's pretty strange dude
[23:46] <PrinceProspero> I had the exact same problem just minutes ago
[23:46] <PrinceProspero> I fixed it by trying another power source
[23:47] <PrinceProspero> made a video of it too, this is how it looked like: https://vid.me/J4xH
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[23:48] <PrinceProspero> the power supply I was using when the blinking occur was recently purchased, I suppose its faulty and I should take it back to the store
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