#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-02-19

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <[Saint]> It seems to be functionally identical to just doing 'apt-get upgrade' with added piece of mind in telling you if the package you requested is up-to-date or not.
[0:00] <HeroYoojin> of netstat, ntop, ifconfig, and htop, or preferably something you can think of, what would be best to show you when you get a connection on a ethernet port on raspbian?
[0:00] <[Saint]> nefarious: ^
[0:00] <HeroYoojin> So I can ssh into my raspberry pi through wireless, and watch to see when the ethernet gets a signal from the other end of the house? I need it to troubleshoot a wall jack and find where it terminates.
[0:01] <[Saint]> ifup?
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[0:01] <nefarious> Yeah, looks intentional; probably helps prevent going through an update/upgrade after a syntax mistake
[0:02] <[Saint]> actually, probably netstat or ifquery
[0:02] <HeroYoojin> i really want something like htop for ifaces
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[0:12] <Sonny_Jim> I always liked iptraf
[0:13] <Sonny_Jim> But that's way more ncursey
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[0:22] <Andhrimnir> Now that we have the Pi 2? Is it a feasible idea to build your own laptop/netbook with it?
[0:23] <Andhrimnir> I'm thinking you could just run the Arch Linux ARM which has pretty much all the packages you would need.
[0:23] <Andhrimnir> Everything else wouldn't take much time to compile.
[0:23] <Andhrimnir> What do you think?
[0:23] <Andhrimnir> Any problems one might find?
[0:23] <Stephini> Andhrimnir, seems to me with a b+ you could make a decent netbook. as good as the 2 can get since adobe just plain old will never make flash for arm devices.
[0:24] <shauno> the near complete lack of power management would be my hurdle. (no sleep/suspend/etc)
[0:24] <Andhrimnir> shauno: why can't you sleep?
[0:25] <Andhrimnir> Stephini: my current computer doesn't have flash and works fine, pretty much everything is html5 now.
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[0:26] <Andhrimnir> I guess you could turn it off. It would start quickly if you had an ssd.
[0:26] <Andhrimnir> How would battery life be?
[0:27] <Stephini> Andhrimnir, I still run into all sorts of web players that are in flash. rather annoying.
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[0:27] <fchmmr> http://retardpi.org/
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[0:31] <Andhrimnir> what's the potential difference accros the power supply?
[0:32] <Stephini> yay i'm memorizing a new digit of pi even though i'm a tau supporter. :P
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[0:43] <WACOMalt> When raspbian starts X, it launches lxde. how can I replace that with i3 weindow manager?
[0:43] <WACOMalt> tau ftw
[0:45] <Sonny_Jim> It's fairly simple
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[0:45] <Sonny_Jim> update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[0:45] <Sonny_Jim> apparently, I've not tried it
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[0:47] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait
[0:47] <Sonny_Jim> That's for the window manager
[0:47] <Sonny_Jim> You want to change the desktop environment
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[0:48] <Sonny_Jim> $ sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[0:49] <mrnuke> hi! Is the retardPi a new model coming out soon? http://retardpi.org/
[0:50] <swif> yeah... retardpi is for retard who paste retardpi url
[0:50] <[Saint]> mrnuke: you're not being serious...are you?
[0:51] <mrnuke> [Saint]: I just came across that when serrching for a pi with 8 cores
[0:51] <mrnuke> [Saint]: Are you saying it not is real?
[0:51] <abnormal> oh? link pls
[0:52] <abnormal> it's real for retards
[0:52] <[Saint]> mrnuke: the url and the fact that the site is completely devoid of content should give you a clue.
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[0:52] <abnormal> lol
[0:52] <[Saint]> And, seriously, why would you want/need an octacore raspi?
[0:52] <mrnuke> [Saint]: my english far from perfect
[0:53] <mrnuke> [Saint]: More core, more better, no?
[0:53] <[Saint]> Not particularly, no.
[0:53] <fchmmr> What's the difference between retardpi and rpi?
[0:54] <[Saint]> One exists, the other doesn't...
[0:54] <abnormal> lol
[0:54] <[Saint]> Retard: (verb) - "a person who has a mental disability (often used as a general term of abuse)."
[0:54] * atomi (~atomi@71-83-179-177.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:54] <Sonny_Jim> It has other meanings
[0:54] <abnormal> like me, abnormal
[0:54] <Sonny_Jim> Like retarded ignition timings
[0:54] <mrnuke> [Saint]: so how make it better if not more core?
[0:55] <[Saint]> it does, yes, but from the iconography its clear what the intent was here.
[0:55] <McBride36> cheetah blood
[0:55] <[Saint]> mrnuke: better that...what?
[0:55] <[Saint]> The raspi is NOT a replacement for a real PC, and it never will be.
[0:55] * taza (~taza@unaffiliated/taza) Quit ()
[0:55] <[Saint]> Its a development board.
[0:55] <mrnuke> [Saint]: better then model before
[0:56] <[Saint]> Frankly, even the quad core variant is overkill.
[0:56] <[Saint]> mrnuke: you don't.
[0:56] <mrnuke> [Saint]: kill? you say quad is dangerous?
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[0:56] <fchmmr> I heard that the retardpi is easier to use than the rpi.
[0:56] <fchmmr> Is this true?
[0:56] <mrnuke> [Saint]: but how? death to shock?
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[0:57] <[Saint]> fchmmr: are you trolling, like, seriously?
[0:57] <[Saint]> fchmmr: it _doesn't exist_.
[0:57] <fchmmr> well, no. someone shoved it to me today.
[0:57] <[Saint]> Its not a real thing. You got sucked in by someone who is effectively calling you a retard.
[0:58] <fchmmr> it's a new startup company, they want to sell a simplified rpi to challenged kids
[0:58] <McBride36> it's basically an abacus
[0:58] <mrnuke> fchmmr: you say you see one today? but [Saint] said do not exist
[0:58] <[Saint]> fchmmr: no, it isn't.
[0:59] <Andhrimnir> retardpi seems cool
[0:59] <[Saint]> Oh my God...are you people for real?
[0:59] <abnormal> sure
[0:59] <abnormal> why not?
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[1:00] <[Saint]> People are so absurdly gullible these days it is frankly painful.
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[1:00] <[Saint]> "I saw it on the Internet, so it must be true!"
[1:00] <Andhrimnir> anyone know when it's comming out?
[1:00] <[Saint]> This is not a real product.
[1:00] <[Saint]> Andhrimnir: sure - never.
[1:01] <Sonny_Jim> Obvious troll is obvious
[1:01] <Sonny_Jim> You speak english just fine mrnuke
[1:01] <abnormal> maybe Kickstarter will promote it..
[1:01] <abnormal> lol
[1:01] <mrnuke> Sonny_Jim: thankyou
[1:01] <Andhrimnir> we should make #retardpi
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[1:02] <abnormal> yay!!! yeah!!!\
[1:02] <Cprossu> hey folks, I am trying to do something retarded and need help. I'm trying to compile OBS in raspbian and needed to compile qt5, got passed that hurdle, managed a variable to point to qt5widgets and now it's asking for qt5x11-extras and I'm stuck
[1:02] <Cprossu> http://pastebin.com/DhE6ZpPu
[1:02] <Cprossu> I don't know what to do or how to do it.
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[1:04] <Andhrimnir> Cprossu: I think you need retartpi
[1:04] <mrnuke> So, retardpi then 8 core or make better?
[1:05] <Andhrimnir> There are rumours there will be a 16 core 128 bit version
[1:05] <[Saint]> It is _not a real product_.
[1:05] <[Saint]> Just...stop.
[1:05] <Cprossu> all I know is I was told it can't be done
[1:05] <mrnuke> [Saint]: maybe not made yet, but soon?
[1:06] <Cprossu> I've heard that all already
[1:06] <Cprossu> but it'd be fun, and at least it's an rpi-2
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[1:06] <Andhrimnir> there is a webpage, see: http://retardpi.org/ ?
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[1:06] <Andhrimnir> Says it's Coming Soon!
[1:06] <[Saint]> mrnuke: no.
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[1:07] <Cprossu> hah
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[1:08] <[Saint]> You guys are either trolls, or ridiculously gullible.
[1:09] <Sonny_Jim> Sveiki Mrnuke , supranti?
[1:09] <Cprossu> anyway I can see how this is unfolding but I'll still hold out hope someone knows what I should do
[1:09] <[Saint]> If you're that gullible, instead of buying a retardpi, why not just downloadmoreram.com for your existing pi!
[1:09] <WACOMalt> why not both?
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[1:09] <fchmmr> I'd buy a retard pi.
[1:09] <fchmmr> The name is awesome.
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> mrnuke , supranti?
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> I guess not
[1:10] <[Saint]> It is hilariously discriminatory and insensitive.
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[1:10] <mrnuke> Sonny_Jim: yes, would buy a retardpi when sells
[1:11] <mrnuke> Sonny_Jim: but [Saint] say won't sell to me
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> So, what did I just ask you?
[1:12] <Sonny_Jim> Jūs gyvenate Teksase ?
[1:12] <[Saint]> You have the sentence structure of someone who is trying to make it seem as though English is not a native language or a language you're fluent in.
[1:12] <[Saint]> Obvious troll is obvious.
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[1:13] <mrnuke> [Saint]: girl from america teach me. Really good fuck too
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[1:13] <[Saint]> I believe Sonny_Jim picked up on that too.
[1:13] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: Davespice: ...can we put a stop to this please?
[1:14] * IT_Sean sets mode +b *!*@c-76-31-71-92.hsd1.tx.comcast.net
[1:14] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: ^?
[1:14] <[Saint]> thank you.
[1:14] * mrnuke was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[1:14] <Cprossu> thank you x 2.
[1:14] <IT_Sean> Sorry... i was afk... heard the beep when you mentioned me.
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[1:15] <[Saint]> Why, just...why?
[1:15] <[Saint]> Man.
[1:15] <ozzzy> compiling packages on the Pi2 isn't as onerous as it was on the B
[1:16] <Cprossu> that's for sure
[1:16] <Cprossu> I never picked up a original pi either
[1:16] <Cprossu> this is my first jump into pi land
[1:17] <Cprossu> compiling ffmpeg didn't even take 2 days
[1:17] <Cprossu> more like less than an hour
[1:17] <ozzzy> I'm trying to get gphoto2 working
[1:17] <[Saint]> Yeah, I had a wee poke around with a pi2 the other day, it is a lot faster for compilation, but I would still rather delegate the task to any even remotely modern desktop with crosscompilation.
[1:17] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, hell, I'm thinking of setting up a distcc cluster in the office to compile all the things (all the things that won't run out of ram when linking, anyyway)
[1:18] <shiftplusone> One issue I'm having is that cross-compiling the kernel results in a contaminated headers package which doesn't let you compile modules on the pi itself. So the kernel needs to be compiled natively =/
[1:18] <[Saint]> Cprossu: a remotely modern desktop could do it in minutes. Just sayin' ;)
[1:18] <[Saint]> Seconds, even.
[1:18] <Cprossu> true
[1:18] <Cprossu> but still
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[1:18] <ozzzy> I may need a new kernel... in which case I'll start it compiling and go to bed
[1:18] <Cprossu> natively compiling removes so many variables
[1:19] <Cprossu> that could come into play though
[1:19] <fchmmr> Haha. That was so funny. Have a look at the raspberrypi.org website.
[1:19] <fchmmr> The kids in the cartoons on the homepage look retarded. retardpi.org is a parody.
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[1:20] <Cprossu> the kids are clearly starving and beaten
[1:20] <fchmmr> This whole chat indicates that some Pi users really are retarded ;)
[1:20] <Cprossu> they'll even eat epoxy
[1:20] <[Saint]> Wow. You don't say? Here was I thinking it was totalle real... s/
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[1:20] <fchmmr> [Saint], it is *you* who is gullible ;)
[1:20] <fchmmr> Me and mrnuke did it as a joke.
[1:20] <Cprossu> the chef is concerned though.
[1:21] <fchmmr> Humour.
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[1:22] <[Saint]> Should ban you on principle then too.
[1:22] <fchmmr> If you do, it only makes the joke even funnier ;)
[1:22] <Andhrimnir> wait so it's not real
[1:22] <[Saint]> mrnuke outed himself by pretending to not speak english natively, which because very obvious. You - you're just...well, I can't say it here.
[1:23] <[Saint]> Use your imagination.
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[1:23] <Sonny_Jim> The big clue was that his IP resolved to somewhere in Texas
[1:23] <fchmmr> [Saint], btw, I registered that site and I made those images ;)
[1:24] <fchmmr> (well, I edited the text. parody-style)
[1:24] <ozzzy> the temp is rising
[1:24] <ozzzy> LOL
[1:24] <[Saint]> You've got too much time on your hands son.
[1:24] <fchmmr> Indeed.
[1:24] <fchmmr> I got a good laugh from this, though. Thank you all.
[1:25] <fchmmr> [Saint], I also run the libreboot project.
[1:25] <shiftplusone> as long as you're happy, we're happy.
[1:25] <fchmmr> http://libreboot.org/
[1:25] * ChanServ sets mode +o shiftplusone
[1:25] * shiftplusone sets mode +b *!*fchmmr@*
[1:25] * fchmmr was kicked from #raspberrypi by shiftplusone
[1:26] * ChanServ sets mode -o shiftplusone
[1:26] <shiftplusone> can't be bothered entertaining trolls =/
[1:26] <ozzzy> trolls are fun betimes
[1:28] <WACOMalt> Found a solution to my Berryboot transfer of an OS from Pi1 to Pi2
[1:28] <WACOMalt> had to format the USB stick to ext4
[1:29] <WACOMalt> then the filesystem could hold the full modified OS image
[1:29] <WACOMalt> its installing on my Pi2 now
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[1:30] <WACOMalt> what's a good memory split for Pi2 on raspbian?
[1:31] <shiftplusone> depends on what you need
[1:31] <shiftplusone> I use 16MB for GPU, because I'm not currently using it
[1:32] <WACOMalt> I'd like to play some openarena
[1:33] <shiftplusone> I guess 128 then
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[1:33] <shiftplusone> Or just work your way up if something doesn't work.
[1:33] <MrGeneral> is dotdeb supported by RPi?
[1:34] <WACOMalt> sounds good
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[1:34] <steve_rox> starting to wonder if theres something funny going on in the firmware
[1:34] <[Saint]> Whatever happened to the dynamic memory splitting?
[1:34] <steve_rox> after update rpi moans about low power
[1:34] <steve_rox> before it did not
[1:34] <[Saint]> WHy isn't that the default?
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[1:35] <WACOMalt> berryboot does say that's enabled
[1:35] <WACOMalt> but also has a dropdown for a setting... so I'm not sure which setting trumps
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[1:39] <WACOMalt> wow... holycrap this system is so much faster on Pi2
[1:40] <Tenkawa> heheh
[1:40] <Tenkawa> mine shipped today.. cant wait to see how the rpi2's run
[1:40] <steve_rox> havent given rpi2 a serious testing yet
[1:41] <steve_rox> i dont realy have any software that can give it good beatin tho
[1:41] <WACOMalt> still though, openarena is crawling at 1 frame every 6 seconds or so
[1:41] <WACOMalt> this shouldnt be like this
[1:43] <Tenkawa> is the 3d fully running?
[1:43] <Tenkawa> glxinfo and such show DRI extensions?
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[1:44] <WACOMalt> unable to locate package glxinfo
[1:45] <Tenkawa> which distro>
[1:45] <Tenkawa> er
[1:45] <Tenkawa> ?
[1:45] <WACOMalt> raspbian
[1:45] <Tenkawa> its in mesa-utils on debian
[1:46] <Tenkawa> use apt-file to search for it if you have apt-file installed
[1:47] <WACOMalt> I see tons of GLX extensions
[1:49] <WACOMalt> but I dont see DRI
[1:50] <Cprossu> http://pastebin.com/gRCq7Xpk
[1:50] <Cprossu> taken from my pi-2
[1:50] <WACOMalt> yeah mine is the same
[1:50] <WACOMalt> does openarena work ok for you?
[1:51] <Cprossu> also "direct rendering: Yes" =dri right?
[1:51] <Cprossu> didn't try it
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[1:51] <Tenkawa> hmmm wonder if there isnt dri extensions for it.. (mine are all powered off)
[1:51] <Cprossu> I'm too busy trying to compile things that shouldn't work
[1:51] <Tenkawa> Cprossu: yes
[1:51] <WACOMalt> fun
[1:52] <Tenkawa> if you have direct rendering as far as I remember thats a good sign
[1:52] <WACOMalt> I had the same lack of performance on Pi1. People had it running at 30fps easy on that
[1:52] <Cprossu> so I am new to all this, what's the deal with the liscenses for the encoder?
[1:52] <Tenkawa> Cprossu: elaborate
[1:52] <WACOMalt> you mean h264?
[1:52] <Cprossu> there are liscenses sold in the rpi store, are these related to the video decoder/encoder?
[1:52] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[1:52] <Tachyon`> yup
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[1:53] <Cprossu> My end goal: use rpi-2 as a platform for open broadcast software, streaming video via RTMP
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[1:53] <WACOMalt> oh dang. I knew I knew what OBS stood for
[1:53] <WACOMalt> open broadcasting software
[1:54] <WACOMalt> niiice
[1:54] <Cprossu> but before I can compile obs I need to know what to do about the needed package 'qt5x11extras'
[1:54] <WACOMalt> if you get it going
[1:54] <Cprossu> well I need help getting it going
[1:54] <WACOMalt> I am no help for that. sorry
[1:54] <WACOMalt> I've never compiled qt
[1:54] <Tenkawa> I'm thinking about using one of my new rpi's for some amateur radio styff
[1:54] <Tenkawa> er stuff
[1:54] <WACOMalt> but maybe qt5extras is another thing to build from source, separate from qt5 itself?
[1:54] <[Saint]> Tenkawa: Pro Tip 'apt-cache search $package'
[1:55] <Cprossu> http://pastebin.com/DhE6ZpPu
[1:55] <[Saint]> its a default, no need for third party apt search tools.
[1:55] <Cprossu> ^ this is the current issue
[1:55] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: apt-file is for looking up a file
[1:55] <Cprossu> anyway I need to know. what's the deal with the h264 liscs, and what are they good for exactly?
[1:55] <Cprossu> support seems shady
[1:55] <Tenkawa> which is what I was asking him to do
[1:55] <WACOMalt> Cprossu, I recommend you post to reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi
[1:56] <Cprossu> I had to compile qt5 and ffmpeg already.
[1:56] <Tenkawa> apt-cache package search was not the intent
[1:56] <Cprossu> I still have yet to sign up for a reddit account...
[1:56] <Cprossu> or a facebook account
[1:56] <WACOMalt> ah
[1:56] <WACOMalt> well, unlike facebook, Reddit can be useful :)
[1:57] <Cprossu> I also hear like facebook it can be a garbage dump
[1:58] <WACOMalt> at least you can choose to remove subs that are full of junk
[1:58] <WACOMalt> you choose your content
[1:58] <Cprossu> hehe
[1:58] <WACOMalt> well... for the most part
[1:58] <Tenkawa> now I have to wait and see how long ups takes to ship across state with a bunch of snow
[1:58] <Cprossu> perhaps I'll give it a go when all else fails
[1:58] <WACOMalt> yeah I had to wait for a package too
[1:59] <WACOMalt> a USB modem
[1:59] <Cprossu> for now I'll keep bashing my keyboard until something compiles correctly
[1:59] <Cprossu> I could attempt streaming with ffmpeg tbh
[1:59] <Cprossu> because I compiled that correctly
[1:59] <Cprossu> but.......
[1:59] <Cprossu> THE HORROR
[1:59] <WACOMalt> heheh
[2:00] <Cprossu> also one funny thing, I installed vlc player, and tried to open /video0
[2:00] <Cprossu> which is a webcam
[2:00] <Cprossu> and it took one frame and froze there
[2:00] <Cprossu> I have no idea what's wrong
[2:01] <Cprossu> or other utils I could use within the raspbian tree to test it with
[2:01] <[Saint]> Blargh. The "IT" department here wants to block my ssh tunnels via deep packet inspection.
[2:01] <[Saint]> NooooooooooO!
[2:01] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: ouch
[2:02] <Cprossu> =(
[2:02] <[Saint]> I twas bad enough that I had to jump through hoops to get irssi up.
[2:02] <[Saint]> *it was
[2:02] <WACOMalt> gotta resort to ssh from your phone over cellular
[2:02] <Tenkawa> hehehe
[2:02] <WACOMalt> juicessh is a good app :)
[2:02] <[Saint]> That has to stay in my locker. :-/
[2:02] <WACOMalt> lamesauce
[2:03] <[Saint]> We used to be able to keep our mobiles at our desks. Not anymore.
[2:03] <Tenkawa> issh
[2:03] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: ouchie
[2:03] <WACOMalt> maybe use znc's shell extension
[2:03] <WACOMalt> issue ssh commands from irc?
[2:03] <McBride36> [Saint], still in school or something?
[2:03] <Tenkawa> you must be in a more strict environment than I ws
[2:03] <WACOMalt> datacenter
[2:03] <Tenkawa> ewas
[2:04] <[Saint]> McBride36: no no, work. Well "work"
[2:04] <[Saint]> Its more like babysitting.
[2:04] <McBride36> ah yes, i'm highly familiar with "work"
[2:04] <jamesd_> hmm would deep packet inspection be enough to catch ssh traffic unless they caught the initial connection?
[2:04] <[Saint]> Babysitting electronics.
[2:04] <jamesd_> port 443 for the win
[2:04] <[Saint]> jamesd_: that's something I was wondering myself.
[2:04] <Tenkawa> jamesd_: they would catch it at handshake
[2:05] <[Saint]> I /think/ they'd need to catch the initial handshake.
[2:05] <niston> how could they inspect your encrypted connection? by playing MITM
[2:05] <[Saint]> And, after that, its game over.
[2:05] <jamesd_> ssh over openssl.. for the win..
[2:05] <niston> [Saint] just tunnel over HTTPS?
[2:06] <[Saint]> If this goes though that might be my only option. I'm hoping it just doesn't happen though.
[2:06] <WACOMalt> bring your server to work
[2:06] <WACOMalt> problem solved
[2:06] <[Saint]> Not being able to watch my servers at home from work would be dreadful.
[2:07] <niston> other option: setup a GPRS gateway
[2:07] <[Saint]> I could proably just go to work, set up a mannequin, then leave.
[2:07] <[Saint]> COme back at 6pm, take it down, go home; rinse; repeat. :)
[2:07] <niston> lol [Saint] https://niston.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/ip-network-audiovideo/
[2:07] <niston> err
[2:08] <niston> http://lh4.ggpht.com/_89-t-mV96-s/TEMX--aRhiI/AAAAAAAAAF0/Xe8FAwYDJy8/s800/bird.png
[2:08] <Cprossu> how far away physically is your cell phone from your table?
[2:08] <jamesd_> http://dag.wiee.rs/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/
[2:08] <WACOMalt> I mean... the drive syou watch for failure. you simply remove and replace them right?
[2:08] <WACOMalt> couldnt you do that at the end of the day?
[2:08] <Cprossu> could you reach it with bluetooth/wifi?
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[2:09] <[Saint]> Hmmmmm, possibly.
[2:09] <WACOMalt> does your computer have BT and is open to connecting?
[2:09] <jamesd_> convince your work that they should move to the amazon cloud.. get exception for ssh to amazon to "support our clould" sign up for free trial amazon account.. your access is back, fully covered by the cloud exception
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[2:09] <[Saint]> The reception in the lockers is awful though so I end up just turning the phone off otherwise it just chews through its battery constantly trying to scan for a better connection.
[2:10] <Sonny_Jim> reverse ssh tunneling for the win
[2:10] <Cprossu> that part doesn't matter so much as can you stick a SBC that looks like a thumb drive into one of that computer's usb ports
[2:10] <[Saint]> And, no, no connections to the terminals at all.
[2:10] <[Saint]> No USB. No BT. No WiFi.
[2:10] <McBride36> smoke signals?
[2:10] <Cprossu> keyboard is usb or ps/2?
[2:10] <[Saint]> heh. :)
[2:11] <WACOMalt> OTG, USB ethernet adapter, run wire all the way to your desk
[2:11] <jamesd_> RFC 2549
[2:11] <Cprossu> obv mouse is usb. but I bet they'd probably not like you taking apart their mouse
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[2:12] <[Saint]> To get access to USB I would need to disassemble the mouse or keyboard or cut the cable and add a breakout.
[2:13] <[Saint]> And even then I think device policies would stop me from doing anything reall yinteresting.
[2:13] <[Saint]> Its a fairly tightly locked down ship.
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[2:18] <WACOMalt> conceal a Pi and hook to monitor just for ssh
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[2:20] <Cprossu> it's running windows right?
[2:21] <Cprossu> anything's possible =P
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[2:31] <BigShip> So I just stopped by radio shack and grabbed 2 4.5V 1.5W solar panels. Can I wire them directly into a microUSB cable to charge a battery pack?
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[2:33] <steve_rox> anyone know the cmd that goes in /boot/config.txt that stops that annoying square appear top right on low power?
[2:34] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, get_new_power_supply=1
[2:34] <steve_rox> thats not a valid answer :-P
[2:34] <shiftplusone> try =2 then
[2:34] <shiftplusone> it's not on raspberrypi.org/documentation?
[2:34] <steve_rox> i think there was a cmd to disable it
[2:34] * shiftplusone checks
[2:36] * shiftplusone shrugs.
[2:36] <shiftplusone> Should be on the forum then... to lazy to look >.>
[2:36] <steve_rox> i was sure i found something
[2:36] <steve_rox> i dont even know the name of lil square thing
[2:36] <steve_rox> or be easyer to google
[2:37] <shiftplusone> avoid_warnings=1
[2:37] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=82373
[2:38] <steve_rox> i just ended up on that page :-P
[2:38] <steve_rox> ill try correct the power thing later
[2:38] <steve_rox> increase the dc-dc board
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[2:40] <steve_rox> spose the rpi will be running at lower speed too if its moaning about low power
[2:42] <steve_rox> thanks for help too even if we did end up at same place :-P
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[2:49] <shiftplusone> np
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[3:04] <ball> Are there any minimal Linux distributions for Raspberry Pi?
[3:05] <[Saint]> ball: Arch?
[3:05] <shiftplusone> raspbian (bootstrapped)
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[3:05] <shiftplusone> buildroot
[3:05] <shiftplusone> LFS
[3:05] <[Saint]> #Archmasterrace
[3:06] <ball> [Saint]: Thanks, I'll have a look for that.
[3:06] <[Saint]> Its kinda hard to get more minimal than being dropped in a shell with nothing but a base install.
[3:06] <[Saint]> Though, I guess you could just do kernel+busybox...
[3:07] <shiftplusone> busybox? psh. Doesn't the kernel have it's own built-in shell thing you can use?
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[3:07] <ball> [Saint]: That sounds like just the thing.
[3:07] <ball> hello Vutral!
[3:08] <[Saint]> http://archlinuxarm.org/developers/downloads
[3:08] <[Saint]> and either
[3:08] <[Saint]> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[3:08] <[Saint]> or
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[3:08] <[Saint]> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
[3:09] <[Saint]> though the installation details are identical, save for the package.
[3:09] <[Saint]> slightly, but not dramatically, more convoluted than a raspbian/NOOBS installation.
[3:09] <ozzzy> the pi2 runs about 5C hotter in this case than in the open air... I wonder if I should drill some decorative holes in it over the processor
[3:09] <[Saint]> ozzzy: no need.
[3:10] <WACOMalt> anyone tried to get a USB modem working on the Pi?
[3:10] <[Saint]> Its perfectly capable of its own thermal management.
[3:10] <ozzzy> I know.... but if it's decorative =)
[3:10] <ozzzy> my B ran at 72C
[3:10] <ozzzy> who knows why [shrug]
[3:10] <[Saint]> It won't even start to even remotely care about its temperature until 80C.
[3:10] <[Saint]> and it won't _really_ care until 85.
[3:10] <ozzzy> yep... I have a 'miniputer' (atom) that cooks along at 80-85C
[3:10] <[Saint]> wow - that sounds defective. Unless you live like, right on the equator.
[3:11] <[Saint]> re: raspi
[3:11] <ozzzy> nope... Canada... it's tit nipply outside
[3:11] <shiftplusone> Drill the holes in the processor.
[3:11] <ozzzy> shiftplusone, now THERE's an idea
[3:11] <ball> shiftplusone++
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[3:11] <[Saint]> ^ recommend
[3:11] <ball> This installation doesn't look /horribly/ complex
[3:12] <shiftplusone> purely decorative of course
[3:12] <ball> ...though it's not as simple as just dumping an image onto an SD card
[3:12] <[Saint]> ball: its mildly annoying if you don't have a linux system.
[3:12] <[Saint]> as dd is _painful_ in Windows.
[3:12] <ozzzy> shiftplusone, of course
[3:12] <ozzzy> oh... this case is sooooo slick
[3:12] <ball> [Saint]: I should be able to translate it into something BSD understands.
[3:12] <ozzzy> the chinese built it good
[3:12] <shiftplusone> it was. Now you need to partition the card yourself and use a special version of tar to extract the files =/
[3:13] <[Saint]> ball: oh, sure, BSD will be fine. dd is a standard too there.
[3:13] <shiftplusone> who uses dd in windows? win32diskimager is more than good enough for most things.
[3:13] <ball> So it looks like I need a 100M FAT32 (why not just FAT?) partition
[3:13] <ball> ...and the rest can be ext2?
[3:14] <ball> Oh, ext4
[3:14] <[Saint]> it can be. But all the tools described there should be (are?) present in BSD.
[3:14] <[Saint]> its just mkfs, dd, and fdisk.
[3:14] <[Saint]> All standard toolset.
[3:14] * ball nods
[3:15] <ball> Can I use ext2 instead of ext4? I don't think we have that yet.
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[3:15] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: try doing an Arch install with win32diskmanager
[3:15] <[Saint]> I dare 'ya
[3:15] <[Saint]> ball: yeah, you can.
[3:15] <shiftplusone> Eh? Pretty sure I've done that plenty of times when it was an image.
[3:16] <[Saint]> when it was an image.
[3:16] <[Saint]> exactly.
[3:16] <[Saint]> try doing it _now_.
[3:16] <shiftplusone> So how does dd help _now_?
[3:16] <ball> shiftplusone: It's handy for writing zeroes to the SD card? ;-)
[3:17] <shiftplusone> hm
[3:18] <[Saint]> Oh, hmmmm, my mistake. I seem to be inventing steps. I was overly confident that the install process used dd at one stage to move the boot image, but it seems there's no a boot image packed in there.
[3:19] <[Saint]> Ok. so, its even less tools than I thought. bsdtar (it cries if you try substituting bsdtar with tar for some reason I can't fathom even though it should be largely identical), fdisk, and mv. Though its arguable that mv doesn't count because any sane system will have it.
[3:20] <[Saint]> Dammit. I don't have any of the old "new" images from alarm.
[3:21] <[Saint]> I am /fairly/ confident there was a boot.img packaged in the .tar for a while there.
[3:21] <[Saint]> but there's definitely not now.
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[3:21] <[Saint]> Its also highly possible that I'm completely misremembering this of course.
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[3:25] <shiftplusone> showing signs of age there >.>
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[3:38] <seitensei> Happy New Years!
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[3:40] <shiftplusone> Yeah, happy birthday.
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[3:41] <shiftplusone> That time of year where everybody in the west has to wait a little longer for things to happen. >.>
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[3:50] <WACOMalt> hey folks. hoping someone can help me here. I'm compiling a usb modem driver from source
[3:50] <WACOMalt> I'm on raspbian newest on a Pi2
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[3:50] <shiftplusone> and you don't have the headers package... is that where this is going?
[3:50] <WACOMalt> its asking "Where is the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel
[3:50] <WACOMalt> and probably I need the headers/compiler too
[3:51] <shiftplusone> yup... that would be it.
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[3:51] <WACOMalt> it came with an i386 deb
[3:51] <WACOMalt> which I'm assuming I cant use on arm of course
[3:52] <shiftplusone> Short answer if that you'll need to do it all yourself. Get the kernel, compile it and then compile your driver against that.
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[3:52] <shiftplusone> I think there's a modules_prepare target, but that might not be enough
[3:52] <WACOMalt> Ok, I figured that
[3:53] <WACOMalt> http://wacomalt.com/dropbox/dgcmodem-1.13.tar is what I'm trying to build btw
[3:55] <WACOMalt> Wonder if there's any usb modem that has arm drivers available. Willing to pay a decent amount
[3:55] <steve_rox> guess updateing firmware was bad idea , wont detect my temp sensor now
[3:56] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, did you just update to 3.18?
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[3:57] <steve_rox> i dunno i just did the sudo apt upgrade thingy
[3:57] <shiftplusone> when was the last time you did that?
[3:58] <steve_rox> some time ago i spose
[3:58] <bynarie> the "sudo apt upgrade" thingy LoL
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[3:58] <steve_rox> im guessing im not gonna get temp reading functionality back any time soon
[3:58] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, as soon as you read up on 3.18
[3:58] <steve_rox> needle in a haystack :-P
[3:59] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?uid=121689&f=29&t=97314
[3:59] <steve_rox> thanks
[4:01] <bynarie> WACOMalt, just wondering, but how long have u had ur pi2 for?
[4:01] <WACOMalt> today
[4:01] <bynarie> same here man
[4:01] <WACOMalt> had a Pi B+ for several months though
[4:02] <bynarie> and im also running raspbian
[4:02] <bynarie> me too
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[4:02] <WACOMalt> cool
[4:02] <WACOMalt> what you doing with yours?
[4:02] <bynarie> havent really tinkered with it much.. i come from arduino boards, so im assuming i can similar things but i really dont know
[4:02] <bynarie> how about you?
[4:03] <steve_rox> love these lil surprises they put in firmware updates :-P
[4:03] <WACOMalt> Currently I'm trying to build my sister a very single purpose machine. She kind hates technology, but likes typing and music. So I'm making a machine that boots, opens libreoffice, has a small portable printer in the back, and a screen
[4:04] <WACOMalt> when it boots it starts playing her pandora stations, controllable on another workspace
[4:04] <bynarie> thats pretty cool idea.. so just a basic pc?
[4:04] <WACOMalt> a musical typewriter :)
[4:04] <bynarie> nice
[4:04] <WACOMalt> The last hurdle though
[4:04] <bynarie> lol
[4:04] <WACOMalt> is that she has no internet
[4:04] <bynarie> o - that will be a problem
[4:04] <WACOMalt> I got her free netzero dialup, and am trying to get the modem to work
[4:04] <WACOMalt> which requires compiling a ton of stuff and recompiling the kernel itself
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[4:05] <WACOMalt> which takes me well out of my understanding
[4:05] <bynarie> holy crap.. i didnt know dialup was even around anymore
[4:05] <WACOMalt> haha it is
[4:05] <WACOMalt> if you have a phoneline you can get free internet
[4:05] <WACOMalt> crap internet, but free
[4:05] <ozzzy_> there are lots of places here that are still on dialup
[4:06] <bynarie> wow
[4:06] <bynarie> WACOMalt, where are u from/at?
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[4:06] <bynarie> netzero used to be free completely but i think it has ads or someting?
[4:06] <WACOMalt> nah its just limited to 10 hours a month
[4:06] <bynarie> oh
[4:06] <SMCollins> wondering if any of you know of some ARM cpu or MIPS cpu resources for building a in car infotainment system ?
[4:07] <SMCollins> looking for boards with pci type IO exspansion and good built in capabilitys
[4:07] <steve_rox> wonder if they did this to try speed up boot times or something
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[4:08] <bynarie> wonder if theres a way to overclock/overvolt to fry the board
[4:08] <bynarie> i could use it cook eggs on lol
[4:09] <steve_rox> wow they really complicated it
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[4:12] <shiftplusone> Jusii, pingy ping?
[4:14] <steve_rox> okay i think i got it
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[4:14] <steve_rox> its reading temp again
[4:16] <steve_rox> so yeah im guessin they done that to speed up the rpi or something
[4:16] <steve_rox> free up ram or something
[4:18] <WACOMalt> ugh... I give up
[4:18] <WACOMalt> cant get this modem thing working. No internet for her
[4:18] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, giving up pretty quickly there
[4:19] <WACOMalt> I've been working on this all day, not just since posting in here
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[4:19] <shiftplusone> I've been trying to get a linux vm up to compile it for you, but virtualbox is being derpy right now.
[4:21] <bynarie> WACOMalt, i can prolly compile it for you.. u got the source files?
[4:22] <bynarie> what toolchain are you using ?
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[4:24] <bynarie> brb
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[4:26] <clever> shiftplusone: any update today?
[4:27] <shiftplusone> clever, well, I've ran out of things I can do to put it off, so.... getting there.
[4:27] <clever> heh
[4:27] <clever> i'm also putting stuff off here that i shouldnt be, youtube keeps getting in the way
[4:27] <clever> <--- easily distracted
[4:28] <shiftplusone> Well, in my case I should probably not be doing any of this, since I'm on holiday, but... it's all rainy right now so... >.>
[4:28] <clever> heh
[4:28] <tacoexe> I dont understand the error that raspbian is giving me...
[4:29] <tacoexe> firmware-b43-installer : Depends: b43-fwcutter (>= 1:015-14.1) but it is not installable
[4:29] <tacoexe> Recommends: linux-image
[4:29] <tacoexe> what am i not understanding here
[4:29] <clever> tacoexe: you need b43-fwcutter installed to extract the firmware
[4:29] <clever> and i'm guessing thats an x86 only package
[4:30] <tacoexe> mmhmm
[4:30] <clever> the simplest answer, install that on an x86 debian box (any desktop/laptop)
[4:30] <clever> and then copy the firmware from /lib/firmware i think
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[4:30] <tacoexe> unless i can get the source...
[4:30] <tacoexe> and compile it on the pi...
[4:30] <clever> /lib/firmware/b43/ucode5.fw
[4:30] <clever> this whole folder
[4:30] <clever> broadcom doesnt release the source for the firmware
[4:31] <clever> b43-fwcutter is just a tool to rip the .fw files out of a windows driver installer
[4:31] <clever> but if you run it on another machine, you can just copy the .fw files
[4:31] <tacoexe> aha
[4:31] <clever> as for why you cant just download the .fw file from a website, its a legal grey zone
[4:31] <tacoexe> then scp it over
[4:31] <clever> yep
[4:32] <clever> legaly, nobody can share the firmware for the device
[4:32] <tacoexe> does it HAVE to be debian?
[4:32] <clever> so firmware-b43-installer is using a loop-hole, download the windows drivers, and rip the firmware out on your machine
[4:32] <tacoexe> cant use my gentoo servers?
[4:32] <clever> any linux machine that has the b43 firmware
[4:32] <tacoexe> aha
[4:32] <clever> gentoo works too, just a diff package name
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[4:33] <clever> clever@ramboot ~ $ equery b lib/firmware/b43/ucode5.fw
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[4:35] <clever> tacoexe: oh, i see why its not found
[4:35] <clever> i did exactly what you told me, i ripped the files off another machine ages ago :P
[4:35] <clever> what i told you*
[4:35] <clever> so they arent in the package manager
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[4:40] <tacoexe> hmm
[4:40] <tacoexe> not sure how to get gentoo to kick out this firmware
[4:40] <tacoexe> going to be a long night..
[4:40] <clever> linux-firmware ?
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[4:45] <tacoexe> I got this
[4:45] * tacoexe starts to dance
[4:46] <VikeStep> while im waiting for my pi to arrive i wanted to emulate it with raspbian. Anyways, I have gotten Qemu set up all working with raspbian, however it seems that /dev/vchiq is missing. After more research it seems that Qemu doesn't have GPU support for it. Does anyone know any alternatives to Qemu? or be it a lost cause?
[4:47] <[Saint]> yeah, you're not gonna be emulating the GPU.
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[4:50] <VikeStep> hmm, ok. I'll just wait for the pi to arrive i guess
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[4:51] <clever> VikeStep: no emulators emulate the GPU
[4:51] <clever> or gpio
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[4:55] <[Saint]> Thanks, Broadcom. Thoadcom.
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[5:09] <WACOMalt> what is the most "unclean shutdown" resistant filesystem format to use on a flashdrive?
[5:10] <WACOMalt> ext4 seems to suck at reliability across interruptions
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[5:12] <ShorTie> there is f2fs for flash drives
[5:14] <WACOMalt> can windows read that? :X
[5:15] <WACOMalt> sorry surprise requirement lol
[5:15] <WACOMalt> so I guess of the ones windows and linux both support, which is best for reliability
[5:16] <ShorTie> not sure, but windows can't read ext4, so wasn't really thinkin about that
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[5:16] <ShorTie> think windows is hung up on fat
[5:16] <WACOMalt> yeah :/
[5:17] <WACOMalt> which sucks if I use the same card for berryboot backups because those can get bigger than 4GB sometimes and berryboot doesnt split them
[5:17] <ShorTie> wouldn't different sdcards be easier
[5:17] <WACOMalt> *flash drives
[5:17] <ShorTie> and better most likely
[5:18] <WACOMalt> true yeah
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[5:18] <WACOMalt> I have two cards too. I should do that for the system sd card
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[5:18] <WACOMalt> but for flash drives, I guess Fat32 is about the only option
[5:18] <ShorTie> whats that old saying, "don't put all your eggs in one basket" ??
[5:18] <WACOMalt> and still ok as far as not breaking from removal fro the system or interrupted power
[5:19] <WACOMalt> hah yeah. it applies
[5:19] <WACOMalt> this os eventually has to be installed on its own sd card anyways
[5:19] <ShorTie> still gotta umount a flash drive in linux to remove it properly
[5:19] <WACOMalt> blargh
[5:19] <WACOMalt> does pcmanfm file manager (raspbian default) handle auto mount and right click eject?
[5:20] <ShorTie> sorry, don't know about all that
[5:20] <WACOMalt> kk :P
[5:20] <WACOMalt> I need a file manager that handles flash drives well is all I guess
[5:21] <ShorTie> sumfin does the automount, you can tell by the boxes that appear
[5:21] <WACOMalt> ah gotcha
[5:21] <WACOMalt> heck I can check this right now, my pi is running with the program open lol
[5:21] <WACOMalt> sorry for so many questions
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[5:23] <WACOMalt> cool yeah pcmanfm has the eject feature right there
[5:24] <WACOMalt> cool so it handles all that fine
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[5:24] <WACOMalt> ok I gotta go finalize the i3 window layout now and make my buttons control switching workspaces
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[5:25] <WACOMalt> by all thanks for help
[5:25] <WACOMalt> *bye
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[5:45] <DropBear> small fanfare.. my pi2 finally shipped
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[5:47] <bynarie> DropBear, just got mine today
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[7:35] <Stephini> the RPI2 should have just been called the Raspberry Tau. :P
[7:36] <shiftplusone> The folks at pi towers would frown at you for that one.
[7:37] <shiftplusone> (Not sure why, I'm all for the tau)
[7:37] <Stephini> pi towers?
[7:37] <shiftplusone> pi hq
[7:38] <shiftplusone> .... the foundation's office...
[7:38] <Stephini> ahh.
[7:38] <Stephini> i heard that pi relates to python not the circle constant but that seems odd as that would be py.
[7:38] <shiftplusone> yup
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[7:39] <shiftplusone> but the 'pi' name has taken off pretty well anyway, so ditching that for tau wouldn't make a whole lot of sense >_<
[7:39] * Stephini is teaching her daughter tau. She already understands it better than most kids twice her age understand Pi. although seeing as she's 3 that isn't saying much. :P
[7:40] <shiftplusone> heh
[7:42] <Stephini> Yeah i can see the branding thing. But since they are keeping RPI1 in production they could easily go RPi and RTau and say the tau is twice the machine the pi is. (fine print numbers are figurative to make for a colorful turn of phrase) :P
[7:43] <shiftplusone> heh, might be a bit confusing
[7:46] <Stephini> i dont know. plenty of companies subbtly shift branding with revision.
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[7:48] * shiftplusone shrugs
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[8:02] <[Saint]> Stephini: we had that argument in another community I frequent as well.
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[8:02] <[Saint]> re Pi vs. Tau
[8:03] <Stephini> what side were you on?
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[8:07] <[Saint]> Tau
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[8:08] <[Saint]> But, it kinda steps away from trying to emulate the naming scheme of the BBC Micro compute systems
[8:08] <Stephini> I'm actually yet to find a hardline Pi supporter. I've met a great number of IDGAFers and a fistfull of Tau supporters but thus far noone who is on Pi's side.
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[8:08] <Stephini> yeah i know jack all about BBC Micro so I wouldn't know.
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[8:15] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: can we agree that it should have been the Raspberry Pi Master? ;)
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[8:15] <shiftplusone> never
[8:15] <[Saint]> I mean, A, B, A+, B+, Master...its just...logical!
[8:16] <[Saint]> I have to say I didn't see Pi 2 coming, I really thought it was going to be the Master, especially as there's no immediate plans (AFAIK) for an A variant.
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[8:17] <[Saint]> Up until now, they tried to emulate the BBC Micro naming schema, so it seemed strange to me to suddenly deviate.
[8:17] <[Saint]> 2 makes sense if you're planning for a 3, though, I guess.
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[8:18] <[Saint]> BBC Micro never got that far.
[8:18] <shiftplusone> that makes sense... I'll go with that logic.
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[8:19] * [Saint] begins writing the letter
[8:19] <shiftplusone> Complaining about the naming scheme to the local congressman?
[8:20] <[Saint]> "Dear RPF, you are wrong. Sincerely, me. PS: Also, some guy on the said I was right."
[8:20] <[Saint]> *the Internet
[8:21] <shiftplusone> I think they get a few of those
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[8:22] <[Saint]> Its not really in the style of what the RPF is all about (though the staff are mostly a bit cheeky and know how to have fun from the looks of it), but I would _love_ to see some of the more amusing (redacted) "Hate Mail" RPF gets about $things and $stuff.
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[8:24] <Xark> [Saint]: There has been some fairly amusing (and over the top) "locked" forum threads that are eye-rollers. :)
[8:24] <[Saint]> "How come I cant haz 4GB RAMz and SATAY DRIVE for $25 - yuno? APK plz, soon backanswer"
[8:24] <[Saint]> (props if you recognize that reference)
[8:24] <shiftplusone> It's more depressing that amusing. "I'm going to abuse this person and call her names because somebody else did something I don't agree with"
[8:25] <shiftplusone> *than
[8:25] <[Saint]> That's the entire internet broski.
[8:25] <[Saint]> Surely there's some amusing ones?
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[8:25] <[Saint]> If not...yeeesh. I feel sad.
[8:26] <shiftplusone> There are a few, sure. I like the ones where after 10 emails back and forth the person admits that they're not even using a pi but something like a banana pi.
[8:26] <[Saint]> <facedesk>
[8:27] <[Saint]> soon backanswer.
[8:27] <[Saint]> Android Police used to do some great collections of hilarious emails.
[8:28] <[Saint]> (from people believing that they legitimately were the "Android Police", and that there was such a thing...)
[8:28] <shiftplusone> heh
[8:29] <Stephini> dufak is android police? never heard of that
[8:29] <shiftplusone> Stephini, (check the channel language policy) >.>
[8:30] <[Saint]> http://www.androidpolice.com/topics/features-2/the-android-police-files/
[8:30] <Stephini> sorry
[8:30] <[Saint]> There's some comedic gold in there, both to, and from.
[8:30] <shiftplusone> doesn't bother me, just a heads up.
[8:31] <[Saint]> Stephini: Android Police androidpolice.com is the "One Stop Shop" for Android news.
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[8:32] <[Saint]> "Subject: Minecraft, Text: I am new at this game."; "Reply Body: Just keep punching trees and digging. Eventually you will end up with a Star Wars film or the entire country of Denmark."
[8:32] <[Saint]> It really helps that they have an awesome sense of humour
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[8:35] <Stephini> found a typo >> Also be aware that ‘fsck’ is only acceptable in the context of a file system check. Telling someone to run fsck is fine. Telling someone to fskc off is not.
[8:36] <[Saint]> There's no typo there.
[8:36] <shiftplusone> there si
[8:36] <shiftplusone> agh
[8:37] <shiftplusone> ..is*
[8:37] <shiftplusone> fsck, not fskc (I'm guessing)
[8:37] <Stephini> yep
[8:37] <Stephini> check starts with c and ends in k not the other way around. :P
[8:37] <sidharthr> Yeah
[8:37] <[Saint]> ahhhhhhhh.
[8:38] <shiftplusone> (I had to re-read that 20 times before I noticed)
[8:38] <Stephini> < is ASD lolz.
[8:38] <[Saint]> sorry, I automatically assumed you meant the typo was the latter fskc not being the other four letter f word that is also not allowed.
[8:38] <shiftplusone> ASD? A salad dressing? (Yes, I know what you actually meant)
[8:39] <Stephini> for anyone who doesn't know: autism spectrom disorder. :P
[8:39] * shiftplusone thinks that line shouldn't be in the rules at all.
[8:39] <shiftplusone> It's a bit silly to have rules which break the rules O_o
[8:39] <[Saint]> What? Nah. That doesn't even exist. You're just antisocial. Why not just try getting along with people? Have you thought about getting out more? WHy can't you try to be more understanding?
[8:40] <[Saint]> said...everyone ever. To me. Since...forever.
[8:40] <Stephini> I find the rules a bit odd. in one place it prohibits "excessive swearing" but then deeper it says "excessive swearing or swearing is prohibited"
[8:40] <[Saint]> Stephini: bonus points for noticing the ops that implement these rules at whim and completely haphazardly. :)
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[8:41] <shiftplusone> ey! >=/
[8:41] <[Saint]> IMO it should just be "be nice, use common sense. Limit foul launguage"
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[8:41] <SpeedEvil> If you want op consistency - pay them more
[8:42] <shiftplusone> I.... I'm a bit conflicted about all of it.
[8:42] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: you should know that's not directed at you. You're entirely consistent.
[8:42] <Stephini> see i'm all for limited foul language i dont want this place to be a jay and silent bob flick but you can say *donkey* on tv these days. as for self sensoring i say it's stupid to ban it since again it's what we're exposed to in every non interactive forum. bleeps and redactions and expletive-deleteds :P
[8:42] <shiftplusone> [Saint], lies. I let things slide sometimes, other times not.
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[8:43] <[Saint]> And you're entirely consistent about doing so! :)
[8:43] <shiftplusone> lol
[8:43] <Stephini> sorry if that self sensoring was over the line couldn't think of a better way to convey what i meant without using it that close.
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[8:44] <shiftplusone> Stephini, there was a back and forth about *donkey* a while back and it's one of those things that people don't get kicked for anymore.
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[8:46] <[Saint]> Its really a bit odd when there's locales where there's words that are banned here that you'll see in common usage on prime time television and in every day usage with no one flinching.
[8:46] <[Saint]> "family friendly" doesn't really work as a general description.
[8:47] <[Saint]> ...but this has been done to death.
[8:47] <Stephini> some countries are more conservative about sex than other countries sort of thing you mean?
[8:47] <[Saint]> Not just sex, no, but you're on the right track.
[8:47] <shiftplusone> hell, there was talk of warning people for 'hell' and 'god'
[8:47] <[Saint]> Some locales are just generally more permissive.
[8:47] <Stephini> i didn't mean just sex that's why i said sort of thing
[8:48] <[Saint]> aha, right.
[8:49] <Stephini> I got a swear word. Seems to cause gasps where ever I say it. And you should see the reaction in church or cathedral. "Iamanatheist" :P
[8:49] <[Saint]> Being from Australia (and myself from New Zealand), I'm sure shiftplusone knows how there's a big disconnect in what's family friendly in Australasia vs. elsewhere.
[8:49] <shiftplusone> Never lived in a community where atheist is a dirty word, luckily.
[8:50] <[Saint]> Its a difficult thing to tackle. Multi-national family friendliness.
[8:50] <[Saint]> Almost impossible, one would posit.
[8:50] <[Saint]> If not entirtely impossible.
[8:50] <Stephini> well yeah I just learned you two's countries shipped Ken Hamm here.
[8:50] <[Saint]> *entirely
[8:50] <[Saint]> Hahahahahahaha!
[8:50] <[Saint]> yep.
[8:51] <shiftplusone> Hey! We had nothing to do with it! It was [Saint]'s people!
[8:51] <Stephini> I thought he was An aus and i was generallizing NZ. did I have it backwards?
[8:51] <shiftplusone> oh... "Australian-born"
[8:51] <shiftplusone> I'm.... so sorry. =(
[8:51] <Stephini> lolz
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[8:53] <Stephini> Well at least we got Bill and "the big funny black guy with the space shirts who's name i cant recall right now" to TRY to balance out the stupidity he brings to our country.
[8:53] <shiftplusone> Neil deGrasse Tyson, yeah
[8:53] <Stephini> neil degrasse tyson
[8:54] <Stephini> lolz remembered just befroe you sent that. :P
[8:54] <Stephini> shouldn't the d be capital to? my brother is DeMontigny.
[8:54] <shiftplusone> no, due to reasons
[8:54] <shiftplusone> (which I don't know of)
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[8:56] <Stephini> i know de mean of. but in a name i thought they usually caps it still
[8:57] <shiftplusone> google says otherwise in this case
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[9:04] <shiftplusone> agh.... I think I'm going to go to the local exchange and yell at them about the internet connection. >=/
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[9:05] <shiftplusone> Downloading at 120KB/s from the ISP's server
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[9:17] <[Saint]> Yeah, there's weird non-obvious rules for it.
[9:17] <[Saint]> My ex is a deSpa
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[9:18] <Stephini> odd
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[9:20] * shiftplusone doesn't know any dePeople >.>
[9:21] <shiftplusone> I think the fanciest I know is a von Landenberg
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[9:25] <[Saint]> this is they, and, she: http://www.despa.co.nz/
[9:25] <[Saint]> oddly the second time her and her family has come up today.
[9:26] <Stephini> lolz i hate people with von. a decent amount of my blood comes fromt eh same place but all i got is mevissen.
[9:26] <[Saint]> once for chocalate, once for de*
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[9:27] <shiftplusone> fancy
[9:28] <[Saint]> It was odd seeing her again, albeit accidentally, and in a weird third party sense.
[9:28] <[Saint]> that site layout is rather new and took me by surprise.
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[9:29] <[Saint]> one doesn't expect their ex to pop up on the main page of a website, even if it is the main page of the family company website.
[9:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[9:30] <shiftplusone> I could go for some chocolate though
[9:30] <[Saint]> and _specially_ not sideways!
[9:30] <SpeedEvil> Looks like high quality.
[9:30] <SpeedEvil> The chocolate too.
[9:30] <SpeedEvil> Now I want chocolate.
[9:31] <[Saint]> 'chocolate' huh? ;)
[9:31] <[Saint]> One way of puttin git.
[9:31] <antoon> i like chocolate
[9:31] * shiftplusone gather's [Saint]'s mind is elsewhere
[9:31] <shiftplusone> *gathers
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[9:32] <[Saint]> FWIW - the chocolate is pretty damn good.
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[9:33] <[Saint]> They do a 77% and an 82% cacao dark chocolate that's awesome.
[9:34] <SirLagz> I have MnMs...do they count as chocolage ?
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[9:35] <Stephini> [Saint], any chance you've had german dark? I've had alot of chocolate in my life (what non lactos intolderant woman hasn't?) but i have never been able to stomache any dark chocolates except for german.
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[9:36] <[Saint]> In some locales, no.
[9:37] <[Saint]> re: M&Ms.
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[9:37] <[Saint]> the mix of vegetable fat/cacao butter/cacao has to be quite specific to be classified as chocolate
[9:38] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, I'd count it.
[9:38] <[Saint]> also - yes, yes I have. but I'm not sure it differs in any identifiable way from any other high cacao dark chocolate.
[9:38] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: woo I have chocolate. nomnomnom
[9:38] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, Is your ex the yellow M&M too?
[9:38] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: haha
[9:39] <Stephini> like hersheys tastes like there is NO sweetener at all.but the german stuff seemed actually sweeter than the milk.
[9:39] <[Saint]> non lactose intolerant? so, lactose tolerant?
[9:39] <[Saint]> woo double negatives!
[9:39] <SirLagz> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-installing-adware-new-computers/
[9:39] <SirLagz> ^^ booo lenovo
[9:39] <Stephini> [Saint], blah. indeed you are right but my brain doesn't always resolve those thigns quickly enough. :P
[9:40] <shiftplusone> boo lenovo indeed.... not that I need any more reason to dislike them than killing thinkpads.
[9:40] <Stephini> SirLagz, you are wrong. Boo boxxed computers!
[9:40] <Stephini> all boxxed computers are rubbish.
[9:40] <Stephini> :P
[9:40] <SirLagz> Stephini: It's hard to find a laptop that isn't branded
[9:41] <Stephini> hrm in retropie the other day someone linked me a site with nothing but unbranded laptops. although i dont exactly agree with laptops to begin with. no matter what unless you know how to print your own case you get overcharged because it's apparently so hard to fit slightly smaller parts in a plastic shell.
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[9:42] <[Saint]> Yeah - since the death of thinkpads I stopped caring about Lenovo entirely.
[9:42] <Stephini> and yeah it's about fitting the pieces because there are dealers who charge the same for the smaller mobos as they do for atx. same for PSU and ram etc.
[9:42] <[Saint]> When my current fleet of thinkpads die, I'll be forced to go back to building my own laptops again.
[9:42] * shiftplusone is quite happy with the work laptop (Dell Latitude E6540)
[9:42] <shiftplusone> a bit heavy and bulky, but does the job.
[9:42] <SirLagz> [Saint]: how do you build your own laptops ?
[9:42] <MY123> [Saint] newer Lenovos can break in a matter of weeks
[9:43] <Stephini> shiftplusone, let me guess though. the company baught it? :P only time a laptop is worth it cause YOU aren't geting ripped off.
[9:43] <[Saint]> SirLagz: easy, there's generic cases for laptops just the same as there are for PCs.
[9:43] <shiftplusone> Stephini, indeed, but if I was buying one for myself I'd probably go for a dell now.
[9:43] <Stephini> they are just harder to find suppliers
[9:43] <SirLagz> [Saint]: I recall seeing those years ago...I havn't seen any recently though
[9:43] <MY123> shiftplusone: Dell's work laptops are good but not the 'customer' ones
[9:43] <SirLagz> [Saint]: maybe Oz is getting the short end of the stick again :P
[9:43] <Stephini> shiftplusone, just know that dell will never have good customer support and LOVE shoving as much bloat on your system as they can.
[9:44] <MY123> Stephini: Dell's support is horrible
[9:44] <shiftplusone> Stephini, first thing's first... pop in a mint or win7 liveusb to start fresh
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[9:44] <Stephini> MY123, that's what i said. :P
[9:45] <MY123> Stephini: It just sayed migrate to Windows for me
[9:45] <shiftplusone> Lenovo... hasn't been very good either when it came to support.
[9:45] <Stephini> shiftplusone, true but i shouldn't have to. they should be able to just give me a bloody clean win7 if i pay for it. or a clean mint if i PAY for that. yes you hafta pay for linux with them. no matter what OS costs money with dell.
[9:45] <MY123> shiftplusone: And Acer, more worse
[9:45] <clever> Stephini: i would just buy a laptop without a hdd then
[9:45] <MY123> Stephini: You can install a clean Win7 like me if you have the product key
[9:45] <clever> try forcing your crapware onto that :P
[9:45] <shiftplusone> hm
[9:46] <Stephini> dell wont do that clever. atleast not when i tried. laptop and os were both mandatory.
[9:46] <clever> (facepalm)
[9:46] <MY123> Stephini: You can install your Windows
[9:46] <Stephini> s/laptop/hdd
[9:46] <MY123> Stephini: So it is not that important
[9:46] <shiftplusone> Yes, to get a laptop without windows pre-installed, I had to go for a local obscure laptop company.
[9:47] <shiftplusone> Which.... were terrible.
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[9:47] <Stephini> MY123, stil i dont like a company charging me more for an OS than that OS costs and then I hafta do the labor of installing it.
[9:47] <shiftplusone> http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/
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[9:47] <Stephini> shiftplusone, dell will do it they just charge for it.
[9:47] <MY123> shiftplusone: Here, you should go to court for getting the price of Windows
[9:47] <shiftplusone> Anyway... food time.
[9:48] <MY123> Stephini: I install Windows7s automatically with PXE boot
[9:49] <clever> MY123: windows allows network booting now?
[9:49] <MY123> clever: Since PE Longhorn( Vista)
[9:49] <clever> ah
[9:49] <Stephini> MY123, lolz yeah i know it's not hard. that's not what upsets me. it's that i pay the company 10-50 extra bucks but because they are bloat lovers that money is NOT for the convenience of not having to install no matter how easy. :P
[9:49] <clever> (into the 8.1 days)
[9:49] <clever> i stayed on XP longer then i should have :P
[9:50] <MY123> clever: And my municipality still uses XP computers CONNECTED TO THE INTERWEB.
[9:51] <Stephini> i was a pretty early adopter for both vista and 7. tried 8 and it worked IF i installed a startmenu replacer. otherwise I personally have loved the improved stability of each revision and happily ignored the people who said each sucked without actually trying them.
[9:51] <clever> MY123: i had an XP system behind a router until just ~2 weeks ago
[9:51] <clever> the motherboard in it finaly failed
[9:51] <clever> about the only time it ever got something nasty is when i stupidly left VNC without a password, with control enabled
[9:52] <MY123> clever: Like my 1998 system running 24/24 since 2004 to finally fail in 20114
[9:52] <MY123> *2014
[9:52] <clever> a bot automaticaly went start->run->ftp, then contiualy errored out, the idiots didnt forward the ports right on the virus server
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[9:52] <MY123> Stephini: Vista was good if you had a high-performance GPU
[9:52] <clever> all it did was leave 3 or 4 dos windows open, filled with failure to download the virus :P
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[9:53] <Stephini> MY123, i had vista on a single core dell laptop designed as midrange for xp and it ran vista great.
[9:53] <clever> MY123: i can also remember another time, windows 95, no firewall, bare dialup
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[9:54] <clever> due to a bug, it was able to bypass the samba security, and read/write the whole disk drive
[9:54] <MY123> Stephini: Not on my Pentium 3 which ran XP well but Vista slowly
[9:54] <clever> it added itself to system.ini to run on bootup
[9:54] <clever> but the virus wasnt compatible with win95, lol
[9:54] <clever> i survived because it was too old :P
[9:54] <Stephini> lelz p3 was low end for xp. :P
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[9:55] <MY123> Stephini, It was a dual-P3 system
[9:55] <clever> i can only think of a single time a worm actualy got in and did its job, though poorly
[9:55] <Stephini> my dell had if i recall the core 2. very confusing little chip swingle core but had a term for 2 and core in it. :P
[9:55] <clever> an outdated email server under linux, priv escalation exploit
[9:55] <MY123> Stephini: Core 2 Solo
[9:55] <clever> the idiot replaces ls and ps with root-kited versions, so i couldnt see the virus
[9:56] <clever> however, ls didnt support -h
[9:56] <MY123> (there is also the Duo and Quad)
[9:56] <Stephini> no solo. just core 2. i kenw it was core 2 or core duo. one was the 06 and one was the 07.
[9:56] <clever> and i was using the system at the time, so -h unknown option set off red flags instantly
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[9:56] <clever> good job at keeping hidden, your cloak of invisibilty wasnt so invisible :P
[9:57] <MY123> clever: I mount all my systems as RO, except the home folder which is mounted with rw,noexec
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[9:58] <clever> MY123: this gained root and i suspect it had full shell access, so anybody with minor experience could have solved that
[9:58] <clever> MY123: another weird thing that instantly made it stick out
[9:58] <clever> he had a perl script called httpd, running as root
[9:58] <clever> my webserver was apache2 under apache2
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[9:58] <clever> and his perl script was using 100% cpu, he used non-blocking IO in an infinite loop (facepalm)
[9:59] <clever> so it shot right to the top of top
[9:59] <shiftplusone> Hmm.... think I need to bring more pis with me when I travel. I keep giving them out like candy and only have a few left for myself >_<
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[10:00] <MY123> shiftplusone: One Pi is sufficient
[10:00] <shiftplusone> Not when you're used to a desk full of them >.>
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[10:00] <MY123> (VideoCore test cycles are less than 30 seconds here)
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[10:01] <MY123> shiftplusone: All open at the same time?
[10:02] <shiftplusone> A few
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[10:03] <shiftplusone> maybe one with a camera, another with the debugger attaches, another for general use and so on. Then I don't need to connect/disconnect and shuffle cards all the time.
[10:03] <clever> something ive wondered about, how much use can a normal person get out of the arm jtag port?
[10:03] <clever> would it be possible to debug baremetal arm code?
[10:04] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[10:04] <clever> no need for the NDA to configure things?
[10:04] <shiftplusone> if you google pi arm jtag, there's lots of info
[10:04] <MY123> clever: No
[10:04] <clever> nice
[10:04] <shiftplusone> no, this is just ARM stuff.
[10:04] <clever> but the GPU jtag is NDA right?
[10:04] <shiftplusone> I'm talking about VC jtag though, which of course... I haven't seen people do.
[10:05] <MY123> shiftplusone: I use UART at 3Mbaud
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[10:05] <MY123> ( It was hard to find a working adapter at that rate)
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[10:06] <MY123> shiftplusone: Seeing the BCM headers, there is a GCC for VideoCore III
[10:06] <clever> shiftplusone: what kind of extra things can VC tag give you?, suspend/breakpoint the vpu?, see registers that the mmu hides from arm?, anything else?
[10:07] <shiftplusone> clever, all the things you'd expect.
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[10:08] <MY123> clever: You don't need it( giving the ARM access to the OTP is just a matter of toogling a register)
[10:08] <clever> except for pausing a VC4 core and accessing memory that isnt mapped to arm, i think the arm jtag could do almost anything
[10:08] <clever> MY123: yeah, as long as you have write access to that register, and the mailbox call to run VC4 code makes that easy
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[10:09] <MY123> clever: I have write access to that reg VC4-side
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[10:09] <clever> yep, thats what i meant
[10:09] <shiftplusone> Since DMA works with physical addresses anyway, may as well use that to read all the things
[10:09] <clever> the mailbox gives you total control of the vc4 side
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[10:09] <clever> (doh), lol, another hole to fix
[10:09] <MY123> clever: It is blocked by default because it contains HDCP keys on other VC4 devices
[10:10] <clever> which makes me wonder, what stops somebody from using DMA to steal those HDCP keys from arm?
[10:10] <MY123> clever, nothing
[10:10] <clever> not exactly secure then
[10:11] <MY123> clever: On other VC4 devices, DMA is controlled by a trustzone kernel
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[10:12] <clever> ah
[10:12] <clever> so the large codebase that could be exploited, just lacks dma control
[10:12] <MY123> clever, and there is no mailbox calls there
[10:12] <clever> letting them focus on securing a much smaller codebase
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[10:14] <MY123> clever, did you find how to power the 2nd VPU from bare-metal VideoCore<
[10:14] <MY123> ?
[10:14] <clever> nope
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[10:15] <MY123> clever: here I have a VPU working with 1GB of RAM
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[10:15] <MY123> (bare metal, start.elf)
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[10:21] <Datalink> at least you're having luck, I'm doing something silly with my Micoview and failing :P
[10:22] <MY123> clever, Do you use Visual Studio?
[10:22] <Datalink> microview*
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[12:10] <factor> Has anyone setup a raspberry pi as a cisco vpn client, I can use vpnc and log on , but cant connect to any systems or them to me. wonder what routing info I need.
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[12:15] <shiftplusone> Haven't tried anything other than openvpn =/
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[12:29] <factor> ok
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[13:23] <MarconM> who is using freebsd on raspberry ?
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[13:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> probbaly no one on a B2
[13:27] <MY123> MarconM, me
[13:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha ;-p
[13:28] <MY123> RaTTuS|BIG: I also adapted U-boot for the Pi2, but still not the FreeBSD kernel
[13:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
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[13:32] <MY123> I use Plan9, FreeBSD, GNU/Linux, Android and Circle bare-metal env on my RPis
[13:33] * shiftplusone sighs
[13:33] <shiftplusone> you are your definition of 'use'
[13:33] <shiftplusone> you mean you got some of those things sort of almost running once before they crashed.
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[13:34] <MY123> shiftplusone: Android is usable on the Pi2 with software rendering
[13:34] <shiftplusone> again, by your definition.
[13:35] <MY123> shiftplusone: Usable for me means that I can move the mouse and open the web browser, even slowly
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[13:36] <shiftplusone> so, usable for masochists. It's certainly not an image people would find useful though. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that you can get it to a useful state, but it's important to note that what you say isn't what people interpret.
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[13:36] <shiftplusone> If you say you're running android, people think 'OMG Netflix!'
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> I use android because it lets me give out my personal information easily.
[13:37] <MY123> shiftplusone: Netflix doesn't even work on my PC
[13:38] <MY123> ( Core i5 with 4GB of RAM running Debian)
[13:38] <MY123> so that's fine
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> MY123: you do know about the recent way to o that?
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[13:39] <MY123> SpeedEvil: I don't want to install DRM into my systems
[13:39] <MY123> Netflix is probably not available in my country
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[13:42] <MY123> shiftplusone: Video decoding should be implementable with NEON, and there is TrustZone support for the RPi
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[13:44] <MY123> Apart of that, does Netflix run on Cyanogenmod Android devices?
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[13:45] <shiftplusone> no idea
[13:45] <shiftplusone> actually, yes
[13:45] <shiftplusone> I use netflix on my nexus 7 running CM
[13:48] <MY123> shiftplusone, so it should work on RPi2 Android as that just uses CM12(Lollipop)
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[13:48] <shiftplusone> highly doubt it
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> netflix runs fine onmy Jolla mobile
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Whih is considerably less stock than cyanogenmod
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> (you can uninstall the android VM for example)
[13:51] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, how are you finding Jolla?
[13:51] <MY123> SpeedEvil: And Jolla Mobile has no DRM!
[13:51] <shiftplusone> I know you mentioned it ages ago and piqued my interest, but I didn't have enough confidence in it to buy one myself =/
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: Due to health reasons I've not had much energy to investigate it properly
[13:52] <shiftplusone> oh, sorry to hear that.
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[15:37] * Tenkawa gets his rpi2's today yay!!!
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[15:38] * IT_Sean intercepts Tenkawa's delivery, swaps the RPi 2s for old RPi Model Bs.
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[15:39] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: haahaaa
[15:39] <Tenkawa> if you want to intercept in the -3Cweather ...
[15:40] <IT_Sean> BRR! Nevermind.
[15:40] <Tenkawa> indeed
[15:40] <Tenkawa> we might hit -9 overnight tonight
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[15:41] <IT_Sean> C, or F?
[15:42] <Tenkawa> c
[15:42] <Tenkawa> err
[15:42] <Tenkawa> let me dblchk
[15:42] <IT_Sean> lol
[15:42] * Datalink stares at his temperatures...
[15:42] <Datalink> weaklings...
[15:42] <IT_Sean> it's -9c here at the moment. BRR!
[15:43] <shiftplusone> pkill -9 Tenkawa
[15:43] <Bilby> Temps here have risen to -1F / -18C. Low tonight is -11F / -26C
[15:43] <Datalink> -9F -27F windchill.... -23C and -33C respectively
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[15:43] <Tenkawa> -9F
[15:43] <IT_Sean> How do you people survive in such fridgit temperatures!?
[15:43] <IT_Sean> *fridgid
[15:43] <Datalink> IT_Sean, beer, hot cocoa, hand warmers, bundling up and avoiding exposure
[15:44] <Bilby> The coldest I can remember being out in the weather is when it was -20 F in Chicago one Christmas
[15:44] * IT_Sean moved to the south to escape the cold... is still freezing his bum off.
[15:44] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: I ask myself the same thing,.... I grew up on the arkansas/louisiana border
[15:44] <Tenkawa> being up here in the north now is just cold
[15:44] <Bilby> I was going out to do photography and only had ~5 minutes between hands going numb
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[15:54] <tchiwam> Anyone here has a better AD to replace the ADC0832, something that is deisgned to work on 3.3V instead of the 5V that might work on 3.3V logic ?
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[15:59] <McBride36> Bilby, in chicago right now. It's not very fun
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[16:04] <Bilby> McBride36 hah, i bet. stay toasty
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[16:09] <BigShip> IT_Sean: Layer. Layer layer layer layer. Also, if you're wearing a t-shirt under what you have, tuck it in. Makes a HUGE difference
[16:09] <BigShip> Morning :)
[16:12] <bynarie> its -30 F here with windchill
[16:12] <bynarie> wow cold!
[16:12] <bynarie> columbus, ohio
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[16:13] <ozzzy_> winchill... pfffft
[16:14] <bynarie> shit its still cold here
[16:14] <bynarie> -5 F air temp
[16:15] <McBride36> tchiwam, what exactly are you looking for?
[16:15] <ozzzy_> the problem with 'feels like -30' is that nothing will ever get to -30... only the -5 ambient
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[16:15] <ozzzy_> it'll just cool to ambient quicker
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[16:17] <Datalink> ozzzy_, moisture evaporation and heat retention is a factor in cold climates... just like warm temperature will be augmented by a humidity and light related heat index
[16:17] <bynarie> regardless im still freezing either way
[16:17] <ozzzy_> thermodynamics disagrees with you
[16:18] <ozzzy_> when it comes to windchill
[16:18] <ozzzy_> humidex is a different kettle of fish
[16:19] <Datalink> ozzzy_, actually, thermaldynamics does have a lot to do with it, our bodies are not dry surface thermal conductors, they're wet surface conductors, convection as well as oils and sweat on skin are factors when considering heat retention of exposed skin, convection that's aided by fast moving air reducing the amount of retention involved
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[16:20] <ozzzy_> which means you'll get to ambient quicker (as I said)
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[16:20] <ozzzy_> you won't get below ambient
[16:21] <ozzzy_> you'd be surprised how many people say things like 'I hope my car starts as it's -30 with windchill'
[16:21] <tchiwam> McBride36: Something simple to play with, 8 bit serial clock that has to be programmed by bit banging
[16:21] <Datalink> true, the wind chill is meant to as closely aproximate as possible the amount of heat loss one would have in a still air environment, since we're endothermic, we won't go to ambiant, provided our core temperature doesn't crash, but the thermal gradient does cause faster heat loss which feels colder
[16:22] <ozzzy_> yep
[16:22] <Datalink> ozzzy_, yeah, citing windchill for dry body radiators is ignorance
[16:22] <ozzzy_> but... if it's -5 you shouldn't be walking around uninsulated anyway LOL
[16:22] <Datalink> yeah
[16:22] <McBride36> tchiwam, well, you want an ADC chip then?
[16:22] <ozzzy_> either -5F or -5C
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[16:23] <tchiwam> The ADC0832 from sunfounder kits are supposed to be 5V only... just looking for an equivalent on the 3.3V world
[16:23] <Datalink> windchill does have an effect on us as endotherms which use evaporative heat disipation, since the effort to maintain our temperature is greater due to the speed at which heat's lost due to wind
[16:25] <Datalink> but yeah, saying a car won't start due to windchill is a bit silly, though the moving air can be a factor, it's still just the matter of ambiant temperature until the engine is generating enough heat
[16:25] <Datalink> and why am I going so technical on this o.X
[16:25] <tchiwam> windchill is a factor here :) -40C feel like -54C is a bit different than the -40C in dry and windless
[16:25] <Datalink> true
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[16:26] <Datalink> -40CF is the point where it's just too cold...
[16:26] <tchiwam> Nah, I prefer -40 than -20C and 70knots wind gusts...
[16:27] <tchiwam> Today's warm weather : METAR bgsf 191450z 05007kt 9999 bkn150 m32/m36 q1012
[16:28] <MY123> In your definition, is 15 degrees warm?
[16:29] <MY123> (Celsius)
[16:29] <tchiwam> 15C is summer temp
[16:29] <tchiwam> We have the windows open.
[16:29] <Datalink> MY123, 15C is a spring/fall temp here
[16:30] <MY123> 20 March 2015...
[16:30] <McBride36> heck, i go swimmming in 15 c weather
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[16:30] <movic> tree
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[16:30] <MY123> McBride36: I wait for 35c here
[16:30] <MY123> (real summer)
[16:31] <McBride36> tchiwam, if you're looking for an adc you can bit bang, you can try the MCP3008
[16:31] <McBride36> i'm actually using that in one of my projects at work right now
[16:32] <MY123> McBride36: Or UART comm with an Attiny/Atmega
[16:33] <tchiwam> McBride36: do you use the same GPIO for the Din and Dout ?
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[16:34] <McBride36> no
[16:34] <McBride36> adafruit has a pretty solid example that uses bit banging
[16:34] <McBride36> https://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi/connecting-the-cobbler-to-a-mcp3008
[16:34] <tchiwam> reading the ada page right now :)
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[16:36] <McBride36> anyone worked with a TM1803 RGB LED strip?
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[16:39] <manywordstartwit> how easy is it to make an image from a Rpi microSD card?
[16:39] <McBride36> super easy if you're on a linux distro
[16:39] <McBride36> and less easy if on windows
[16:39] <ShorTie> easier on windows, imho
[16:40] <MY123> ShorTie: It has the same complexity
[16:40] <manywordstartwit> is there a simple program for it, or is there a tutorial you would suggest?
[16:40] <ShorTie> plug it in, start win32diskimager, hit read, fill out name and go
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[16:40] <McBride36> ^
[16:40] <McBride36> boom
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[16:41] <manywordstartwit> awesome! thanks
[16:41] <thescatman> on/msg nickserv identify jasmine1
[16:41] <thescatman> Oh god
[16:41] <manywordstartwit> hunter2
[16:41] <thescatman> uhh
[16:41] <thescatman> that comes up as asterisks right
[16:41] <McBride36> no
[16:41] <MY123> You use dd if=[device] of=[file] on GNU and Win32DiskImager open file and "read"
[16:41] <thescatman> not hunter2
[16:41] <BurtyB> lol
[16:41] <thescatman> jk, aw fuck me lol
[16:41] <ShorTie> dd isn't hard, if you can remember all the stuff
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[16:41] <McBride36> thescatman, /ns password old new i think
[16:42] <thescatman> McBride36: lol thanks man
[16:42] <manywordstartwit> fortunately, i dont think anyonehere cares to steal your IRC account
[16:42] <McBride36> also get a client and it does it for you :)
[16:42] <thescatman> PCs at uni always put "on" instead of nothing in text boxes
[16:42] <thescatman> it's weird
[16:42] <MY123> thescatman: change your password if it's that and please don't use that $LANG
[16:42] <thescatman> ShorTie: oh sorry
[16:43] <ShorTie> np, just keep it family friendly, Thankz
[16:43] <MY123> thescatman: I recommend to you not using the Freenode web client
[16:44] <McBride36> cough hexchat cough
[16:44] <thescatman> Am on uni PCs most of the time but what client would you say
[16:44] <thescatman> eh, I tried hexchat and couldn't get it to work :/
[16:44] <MY123> thescatman: What OS do you use?
[16:44] <manywordstartwit> couldnt get hexchat to work?
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[16:44] <thescatman> w8.1
[16:45] <bynarie> w8.1 - booo
[16:45] <manywordstartwit> install > run > works
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[16:45] <Bilby> h'aint nuthin wrong with that :P
[16:45] <manywordstartwit> bynarie, 8.1 is a great OS... for touchscreens
[16:45] <MY123> ( Debian, Windows Vista, Windows 2000,Windows 8,Windows 8.1,Mandriva, Slackware,...)
[16:45] <manywordstartwit> if you dont have a touchscreen, it is still a good OS just get classicshell
[16:45] <bynarie> manywordstartwit, i disagree but thts just my opinion
[16:46] <MY123> thescatman: Good. XChat works directly
[16:46] <thescatman> I have classic shell. 8.1 is fine
[16:46] <bynarie> i used to use classicshell when i had 8
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[16:46] <thescatman> I'm looking at hexchat now
[16:46] <manywordstartwit> still better than win7
[16:46] <thescatman> Couldn't set it up before
[16:46] <MY123> manywordstartwit: I use a jailbroken Windows RT 8.0
[16:46] <Bilby> If you just suck it up and get used to something new, Win8's start screen isn't too bad even with mouse. Though it's MILES better with a touchscreen
[16:46] <bynarie> windows is deff good for a gaming platform, but if your into open source/developing/modsding shit like is the way to go
[16:47] <bynarie> linux is the way to go*
[16:47] <manywordstartwit> exactly, Bilby
[16:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> bynarie - language please
[16:47] <bynarie> yea
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[16:47] <MY123> Bilby: I agree
[16:48] <Bilby> Circa 1995: This new operating system is too hard to use! I don't know why microsoft didn't just make it work like windows 3.1 that i'm used to
[16:48] <bynarie> lol
[16:48] <Bilby> Oddly, I don't remember any mac users complaining about the move from OS9 to OSX
[16:48] <Bilby> but i'm sure all 3 of them were greatly releived to get off of OS9...
[16:48] <ozzzy_> I think the last macos I used was 6
[16:48] <ozzzy_> LOL
[16:48] <manywordstartwit> that's because they think everything apple makes is amazing
[16:49] <thescatman> Hexchat is so complicated :/
[16:49] <MY123> Bilby: Under my Win8, I only use shortcuts for starting apps
[16:49] * amigojapan (~amigojapa@c119045.net21845.cablenet.ne.jp) Quit (Quit: amigojapan)
[16:49] <ozzzy_> amazingly overpriced and amazingly hard to customize
[16:49] <McBride36> MY123, jailbroken win RT 8.0? what is?
[16:49] <bynarie> thescatman, i use hexchat..
[16:49] <manywordstartwit> but, the best customer service, at least
[16:49] <chithead> the early versions of os x were pretty broken. I think only with panther/jaguar users had a compelling reason to switch
[16:49] <bynarie> best client ive usef
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[16:49] <MY123> McBride36: Microsoft Surface RT
[16:49] <McBride36> ah
[16:49] <thescatman> bynarie: can you walk me through how to add a channel
[16:50] <ozzzy_> manywordstartwit, yeah... you can take things to a 'genius' at the mac store and get charged through the nose to fix something that in any other platform is fixable by the user
[16:50] <thescatman> I tried a few weeks ago and couldn't get it to work
[16:50] <bynarie> what do u mean? joinging one?
[16:50] <bynarie> joining*
[16:50] <Bilby> chithead my least favorite version was 10.3 on PPC with "compatibility mode". Oy. Vey.
[16:50] <manywordstartwit> i meant phone customer service
[16:50] <McBride36> /join #raspberrypi
[16:50] <McBride36> thescatman, ^
[16:50] <ozzzy_> my phone doesn't need customer service
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[16:50] <bynarie> thescatman, /j #chan
[16:51] <bynarie> /j or /join work
[16:51] <thescatman> Not connected. Try /server <host> [<port>]
[16:51] <bynarie> what?!
[16:51] <McBride36> oh
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[16:51] <McBride36> he's not connected to freenode yet
[16:51] <bynarie> oh
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[16:51] <manywordstartwit> macs are GREAT... if you have lots of extra money'
[16:51] <bynarie> u need to connect to a network first
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[16:51] <McBride36> /server irc.freenode.net 6007 or soemthing, not sure on port
[16:52] <bynarie> 6667 is default for most
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[16:52] <McBride36> ^
[16:52] <McBride36> i knew there was a six and a seven
[16:52] <bynarie> lol
[16:52] <McBride36> then again, i'm a bio major, what do i know about numbers
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[16:53] <bynarie> thescatman, do what McBride36 said, type "/server irc.freenode.net 6667"
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[16:53] <thescatman> ok
[16:53] <bynarie> then once your connected, u can "/j #chan"
[16:53] <bynarie> or "/join #chan"
[16:54] <thescatman> Ah it's finally doing something
[16:54] <bynarie> i believe thats standard protocol for irc tho, not just hexchat
[16:54] <McBride36> it is
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[16:54] <ozzzy_> 6667, 6668, 6669
[16:54] * thescatman (0541ebdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
[16:54] <IT_Sean> 7000 as well, for freenode.
[16:54] <ozzzy_> yep
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[16:55] <thescatman_> pinggg
[16:55] <IT_Sean> poooong
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[16:55] <bynarie> thescatman_, now u need either a cloak, or a bnc
[16:55] <bynarie> to hide your IP/host
[16:55] <thescatman_> Oh.. :/
[16:55] * killer_prince is now known as lazy_prince
[16:55] <nefarious> get both :P
[16:55] <bynarie> u dont HAVE to have one
[16:55] <McBride36> but it's nice
[16:55] <bynarie> nefarious, me too
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[16:56] <BurtyB> or don't bother with either :)
[16:56] * IT_Sean has one
[16:56] <McBride36> many of us do
[16:56] * thescatman_ is now known as thescatman
[16:56] <IT_Sean> Don't want you clowns seeing my IP every time i come and go :p
[16:56] <bynarie> right a lot of irc'ers do have both or one or other
[16:56] <thescatman> how hard is that to do
[16:56] <ozzzy_> IT_Sean, why not
[16:57] <ozzzy_> thescatman, you can get a cloak for the asking
[16:57] <bynarie> thescatman, u can get a BNC from anywhere.. lots of free ones exist.. several users have their own, including me
[16:57] <nefarious> thescatman, ask in #freenode if you can have a cloak
[16:57] <IT_Sean> thescatman: a cloak? You ask for one in #freenode
[16:57] <thescatman> okay
[16:57] <McBride36> just /join #freenode and politely ask
[16:58] <McBride36> eventually a staffer will get around to it
[16:58] <thescatman> thanks
[16:58] <bynarie> thescatman, if i didnt have a cloak, when u did whois on me you would see @androidhacker.us
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[16:58] <nefarious> lol
[16:58] <nefarious> "It's the hacker known as 4chan!"
[16:58] <ozzzy_> bynarie, that's something to be proud of... not to hide
[16:59] <bynarie> ozzzy_, lol i actually went into freenode and asked them to remove my cloak
[16:59] <thescatman> Oh I see, you can see my IP
[16:59] <bynarie> but they didnt
[16:59] <McBride36> do they not remove them?
[16:59] <bynarie> thescatman, either an IP or host address
[17:00] <bynarie> McBride36, they will, but they warn you against it because they wont reapply it
[17:00] <bynarie> so i basically gave up on it
[17:00] <McBride36> ah
[17:00] <McBride36> yeah, i'd rather have a cloak
[17:00] <bynarie> yea me too i suppose.. hell i dont really care either way
[17:01] <bynarie> i am waiting on my zebra case to come for my pi2 today =] yay
[17:01] <thescatman> any idea what kind of font kiwiirc uses? hexchat's font is nasty
[17:02] <IT_Sean> you should be able to change the font.
[17:02] <bynarie> thescatman, u can change it
[17:02] <McBride36> settings preferences
[17:02] <bynarie> settings - >prefs
[17:02] <bynarie> font
[17:02] <thescatman> yeah, just trying to find out what font to change it to
[17:03] <IT_Sean> Just keep trying them 'till you find one you like. I'd recommend sticking to a fixed-width font.
[17:03] <thescatman> Yay I can read now
[17:04] <bynarie> thescatman, u can also edit the network list under hexchat - network list so u dont have to manually type in the "/serverbla bla" everytime u open hexchat
[17:04] <IT_Sean> Can you hear me now? Goood. /vznguy
[17:04] <bynarie> lol IT_Sean
[17:04] <bynarie> u can set a network for auto connect
[17:04] * IT_Sean used to be a Verizon customer. Always wanted to slap seven shades of heck out of that guy.
[17:04] <bynarie> haaa
[17:04] <McBride36> IT_Sean, same about slapping him but for different reason
[17:05] <McBride36> i'm deaf, people thought that'd be the funniest thing to say to me
[17:05] <IT_Sean> LOL.
[17:05] <IT_Sean> I'm sorry. I dont mean to be mean, but... ca'mon :p
[17:05] <thescatman> bynarie: do you just delete all the networks but the ones you use?
[17:05] <McBride36> no worries, i'm the first to crack a deaf joke
[17:05] <bynarie> thescatman, no
[17:05] <bynarie> u dont have to delete anything
[17:05] <IT_Sean> Making fun of deaf people = not funny. Hearing you say it... kinda funny.
[17:05] <McBride36> but my rule is, you have to be original if you're gonna make fun of me being deaf
[17:06] <IT_Sean> I never thought about it, but, that commercial IS really offensive to deaf people, innit? :p
[17:06] <McBride36> offensive? not so much, annoying? yes
[17:06] <bynarie> now that you mention it, i would think so
[17:06] <McBride36> but, YMMV, i've got pretty thick skin
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> Speak up
[17:07] <IT_Sean> "Can you hear me now?" "NO! I CAN'T! I'M DEAF YOU INSENSITIVE BUTT!"
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[17:07] <McBride36> heh
[17:07] <bynarie> thescatman, click the network and hit edit and theres a "connect to this network automatically" checkbox
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[17:07] <IT_Sean> Verizon's coverage was terrible where I used to live, so, I got annoyed every time I saw that commerical.
[17:08] <thescatman> worst joke I can think of... - Do you always win at charades McBride36
[17:08] <McBride36> HA
[17:08] <McBride36> oh man, A+ for that...I haven't heard that one before
[17:08] <thescatman> Wow
[17:08] * McBride36 waits for someone to take the opening
[17:08] <bynarie> eh, this kinda makes me feel uncomfortable
[17:08] <IT_Sean> You haven't HEARD any of them before.
[17:08] <McBride36> yiss
[17:09] <IT_Sean> (you asked for it)
[17:10] <McBride36> okay, lets get back slightly on topic, does anyone know of a library that works with RGB LED strips for the Rpi?
[17:10] <thescatman> bynarie, do you put the hash before the channel?
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[17:10] <IT_Sean> I know Adafrut makes addressable RGB strips, and does a lot of stuff with the Pi... you might want to look for a how-to there.
[17:10] <IT_Sean> thescatman: Yes!
[17:10] <McBride36> will do
[17:11] <IT_Sean> thescatman: all channels start with either # or ##
[17:11] <IT_Sean> Note that #foo and ##foo are different channels!
[17:11] <McBride36> yeah, i bought the RGB LED strip from radioshack
[17:11] <McBride36> i'd rather use it with my pi instead of the arduino though
[17:12] <IT_Sean> is it an addressable (each LED can be a different color) or standard (all LEDs the same color) strip?
[17:12] <thescatman> um... so when I'm on the network list, going through networks, I add e.g. #raspberrypi , then change its checkbox to auto connect
[17:12] <pksato> Q1, what is chip in use on this LED strip?
[17:12] <McBride36> pksato, TM1803
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[17:13] <pksato> Q2, google have a clue about it?
[17:13] <McBride36> as far as i know, with the rpi? no
[17:13] <McBride36> all arduino
[17:13] <thescatman> oh wait I did it
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[17:15] <thescatman_> ping
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[17:16] * zokeber (~zokeber@unaffiliated/zokeber) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[17:16] <IT_Sean> thescatman_: pong
[17:17] <thescatman_> A person on freenode said: thescatman_!~thescatma@0541ebdd.skybroadband.com has just authenticated as you (thescatman)
[17:17] <thescatman_> o wait Ithink I know what that meant
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[17:20] <IT_Sean> thescatman: In or out. Pick one. You are letting out all the heat.
[17:20] <thescatman> lol, sorry, seeing how all this works
[17:22] <bynarie> thescatman, #raspberrypi is a CHANNEL, not a network
[17:22] <bynarie> irc.freenode.net is a network
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[17:24] <IT_Sean>
[17:24] <McBride36>
[17:24] <theugster>
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[17:27] <wordsstartwithf> is anyone familiar with an HDMI to VGA adapter that works for raspberrypi?
[17:27] <wordsstartwithf> i got some, but apparently they dont work...
[17:28] <theugster> What kind? It'd need to be an active adapter, and those are usually more expensive than the cheap gender benders
[17:28] <IT_Sean> that ^
[17:29] <wordsstartwithf> http://www.amazon.com/HDE-Converter-Adapter-Laptops-Players/dp/B00C0Y6BQG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1424363350&sr=1-1&keywords=vga+to+hdmi
[17:29] <wordsstartwithf> that is pretty much what i got
[17:29] <wordsstartwithf> i dont think it is the EXACT one, but it looks just like it
[17:29] <theugster> Weird, that *does* say active, and even that it supports the Pi
[17:29] <Bilby> wordsstartwithf yeah I've put a bunch of them on. problems?
[17:30] <wordsstartwithf> yeah, i cant get it to work
[17:30] <theugster> I've had success with such adapters from CableMatters, this one in particular http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Gold-Plated-Active-Adapter/dp/B00879DM56/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424363359&sr=8-1&keywords=hdmi+to+vga+active
[17:30] <IT_Sean> just because it SAYS it supports the Pi, doesn't mean it actually DOES support the Pi.
[17:30] <Bilby> mine had different brandhing but i'm pretty sure it's the same parts. What does it do?
[17:30] <theugster> Indeed
[17:31] <theugster> It's actually translating the digital signal to analog, HDMI and VGA aren't directly compatible
[17:31] <wordsstartwithf> i am using the RDS image from binaryemotions.com and it doesnt seem to work
[17:31] <wordsstartwithf> the image is just a modified raspbian
[17:31] <Bilby> wordsstartwithf did you get it working in HDMI?
[17:31] <wordsstartwithf> yes
[17:32] <Bilby> hmm. can you get the VGA working with a regular raspibian install?
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[17:32] <wordsstartwithf> works fine using an HDMI cable, i even got a HDMI to DVI adapter and that works
[17:32] <theugster> Do you have another device with HDMI out that you can try your adapter with?
[17:32] <djazz> i have a hdmi to vga converter from Deltaco, it also has usb power in incase
[17:32] <wordsstartwithf> i havent tried that... ill do that
[17:32] <theugster> Just to rule out the adapter being DOA
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[17:32] <Bilby> theugster yeah that's the one i've used, CableMatters
[17:33] <wordsstartwithf> i have multiple adapters, i tried two so far
[17:33] <wordsstartwithf> i have two more
[17:33] <theugster> Bilby: It pained me to have to use it :p
[17:34] <djazz> it also converts hdmi audio to analog ^^
[17:35] <theugster> That's a nice feature, how much was that?
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[17:36] <theugster> wordsstartwithf: As per this article: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=269212
[17:37] <theugster> Try starting the Pi with an HDMI cable plugged into a TV, then switch over to the adapter after it's booted. Seems like the adapter may not be signaling the Pi to output to HDMI and it's switching to Composite instead
[17:37] <djazz> like $35 in a small local shop
[17:37] <McBride36> i have never gotten the composite to work
[17:37] <wordsstartwithf> i see
[17:37] <wordsstartwithf> thanks theugster
[17:37] <Bilby> you can also try forcing output through the command line
[17:38] <theugster> No problem. There's also a fix in that article to edit the config.txt on the SD card to force HDMI output if that turns out to be the issue
[17:41] <wordsstartwithf> cool
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[17:44] <wordsstartwithf> theugster! you got it! i booted it with an HDMI to DVI adapter, then switched and it worked!
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[17:46] <pksato> McBride36: TM1802 and WS2812 use similar protocol. need to check more close.
[17:47] <wordsstartwithf> TM15?
[17:47] <wordsstartwithf> Hyper Beam!
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[17:48] <pksato> WS2812 have half or less timming.
[17:48] <wordsstartwithf> oh, these ARE the exact same adapters we got
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[17:50] <McBride36> pksato, don't worry about it, i think i'm just gonna have the arduino interface with the pi
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[17:51] <theugster> wordsstartwithf: Excellent!
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[17:57] <avrdude> where can i download previous raspbian versions?
[17:57] <avrdude> i want 2015-01-15
[17:58] <MY123> avrdude, why?
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[18:02] <Syliss> there should be somewhere to get it
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[18:03] <IT_Sean> why would you want an old version?
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[18:04] <wordsstartwithf> theugster, you mentioned a command to force something? when i shut down and turn on the Rpi with the VGA adapter it doesnt work. i have to boot it first with the HDMI
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[18:06] <avrdude> MY123, IT_Sean: i'm setting up a cross-compile environment, and i need the same image file as i have on the pi
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[18:06] <avrdude> too much hassle to flash a new file
[18:06] <avrdude> i can't seem to find the older versions anywhere..
[18:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/gsholling/status/568453686176948224
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[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> teh old versions of rasbian are not kept http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/
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[18:13] <pksato> avrdude: make a image of current SD .
[18:13] <djazz> ^
[18:14] <IT_Sean> ^
[18:15] <abnormal> ^
[18:15] <IT_Sean> V
[18:15] <pksato> or is inverse, have on cross-compile, but not on a SD?
[18:15] <djazz> cccccombo breaker sean ;)
[18:17] <thescatman> Any idea how long it takes to compile retropie on the pi 2?
[18:17] <thescatman> Heard it takes like 24 hours on the pi 1
[18:18] <IT_Sean> I would assume it would take less time than on an OldPi, but still kind of a long time.
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[18:20] <thescatman> Might as well find out then
[18:22] <McBride36> IT_Sean, did you see this? http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/124287-the-worlds-slowest-linux-pc
[18:22] * canton7 places a bet on 16 hours
[18:24] <IT_Sean> I had not.
[18:24] * IT_Sean clicks
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[18:27] <SpeedEvil> Old news is old
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[18:28] * IT_Sean sets SpeedEvil on fire
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> yay! Warm.
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[18:28] * IT_Sean stands near the burning SpeedEvil to keep warm
[18:28] <wordsstartwithf> should i uncomment "hdmi_force_hotplug=1" or "hdmi_safe=1"
[18:29] <wordsstartwithf> for forcing the ability to use the HDMI > VGA adapter
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[18:29] <McBride36> SpeedEvil, in reference to the link i posted?
[18:29] <IT_Sean> It's a lovely -6c here today. Brr!
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[18:29] <McBride36> -17c here
[18:30] <wordsstartwithf> it's normally about -6 or so here (ski resort village)
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[18:30] <e^ipi> 10C and sunny here
[18:30] <e^ipi> west coast best coast.
[18:30] <McBride36> shh
[18:30] <IT_Sean> its a balmy 25c in my office right now, though.
[18:31] <McBride36> IT_Sean, how is it working in the tropics?
[18:31] <IT_Sean> McBride36: it's freezing outside! How do you think!?
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[18:35] <wordsstartwithf> so, should i uncomment "hdmi_force_hotplug=1" or "hdmi_safe=1"
[18:35] <Tenkawa> hi all
[18:35] * Tenkawa waits for his rpi2s to arrive today
[18:36] <pksato> wordsstartwithf: normaly, hdmi_safe=1 is used to troubleshooting.
[18:36] <wordsstartwithf> i see
[18:36] <pksato> some hdmi-vga need a mode and resolution set.
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[18:37] <pksato> forced.
[18:37] <wordsstartwithf> i hope i dont need a forced resolution
[18:37] <pksato> or better, hdmi-vga and monitor combination.
[18:38] <qubitnerd> McBride36: i saw the post first on hackerday long time ago
[18:38] <wordsstartwithf> combination?
[18:38] <qubitnerd> *hack a day
[18:38] <pksato> model of monitor
[18:38] <McBride36> i'm like super behind the times. i still think 80s music is relevant
[18:38] <qubitnerd> :p ... its a pretty cool preject
[18:39] <wordsstartwithf> 80's music is kinda relevant
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> McBride36: err -what?
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> McBride36: yes
[18:41] <Tenkawa> wordsstartwithf: you heard any of the new bands creating 80's style music.. some of them are actyally really good
[18:41] <Bilby> outrun baby :) http://www.reddit.com/r/outrun
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[18:41] <IT_Sean> Tenkawa: I intercepted your package... your Pi2s are now my Pi2s. Sorry.
[18:41] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: HAAHHAAA
[18:41] <wordsstartwithf> @g calvin harris acceptable in the 80's
[18:42] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: how mean.. you didnt even give me the empty boxes???
[18:42] <McBride36> whooo new music!
[18:42] <Tenkawa> haahaahaa
[18:42] * Bilby takes IT_Sean's stolen Pi2s and saws off half the ram to make them Pi1s
[18:42] <wordsstartwithf> !g calvin harris acceptable in the 80's
[18:42] * IT_Sean gives the new ruined Pi2s to Tenkawa
[18:42] <wordsstartwithf> no googler?
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[18:42] <Tenkawa> calvin harris has done some really good stuff
[18:43] <wordsstartwithf> i guess tv on the radio is kinda 80's style
[18:43] <wordsstartwithf> TV on the Radio
[18:43] * Tenkawa remembers the 80's well
[18:43] * wordsstartwithf was born in 88
[18:44] * Tenkawa is a bit older
[18:44] <wordsstartwithf> i dont really remember the 80's
[18:44] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[18:44] <wordsstartwithf> but i am a product of the 80's
[18:44] <Tenkawa> I rememember most of the 70's music
[18:44] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[18:44] * IT_Sean was born in the 80s, doesn't remember most of it
[18:44] <IT_Sean> If you remember the 0s, you weren't doing it right
[18:44] <IT_Sean> *80s
[18:44] <qubitnerd> Lies all Lies ... the world began in 1991 when i was born
[18:45] <McBride36> isn't that true for most of that half of the century?
[18:45] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: good point
[18:45] <qubitnerd> you are all simulations around me
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[18:45] <djazz> aww he found out
[18:45] <wordsstartwithf> if you remember... then you were doing something right
[18:45] <Tenkawa> qubitnerd: I dont know.. I heard t was 92
[18:45] <djazz> da matrix
[18:45] <Tenkawa> everything before 92 wasnt real
[18:46] <qubitnerd> ^ sounds like someone trying to forget the cold war
[18:46] <wordsstartwithf> how do you know if the 90's were real if our eyes arent real?
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[18:46] <Tenkawa> wordsstartwithf: I can't admin how old I really am....
[18:46] <Tenkawa> r admit
[18:46] <McBride36> i bet it's 27, everyone on irc seems to be 27
[18:47] <IT_Sean> Unfortunatly, the 90s were real. :/
[18:47] <Tenkawa> McBride36: in all seriousness 27 was a long time ago for me
[18:47] <qubitnerd> IT_Sean: sometimes i envy the 80's and 90's
[18:47] <IT_Sean> qubitnerd: the 90s were lame
[18:47] <qubitnerd> 80's mostly
[18:47] <qubitnerd> computers where DIP IC's \o/
[18:47] <wordsstartwithf> Tenkawa, i have that problem too. when i try to type "admit" habit takes over and i type "admin" every time
[18:47] <Twist-> Don't envy time before the internet. It was really difficult to learn about stuff.
[18:47] <qubitnerd> *were
[18:48] <wordsstartwithf> 80's had TWO star wars movies come out
[18:48] <qubitnerd> Twist-: oh i totally un-envy that
[18:48] <Tenkawa> wordsstartwithf: yeah I do it a lot.. not sure if it is because I am an admin too or just typing posture
[18:48] <wordsstartwithf> how often do you type admin vs admit
[18:49] <Tenkawa> a lot
[18:49] <wordsstartwithf> i guess typing posture makes a difference
[18:49] <wordsstartwithf> i type like i play a piano
[18:49] <Tenkawa> I type one handed
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[18:49] <Tenkawa> my left hand cant type
[18:49] <McBride36> do you have a left hand
[18:49] <wordsstartwithf> if i am going to type a word, i arrange my hands and fingers for each word as if i am changing octave
[18:50] <Tenkawa> McBride36: yes but not veey much finger control
[18:50] <wordsstartwithf> he lost his left hand from stealing
[18:50] <Tenkawa> er very
[18:50] <McBride36> voice to text work for you at all?
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[18:50] <wordsstartwithf> ^
[18:50] <Tenkawa> McBride36: no.. I hated trying to use ut
[18:50] <Tenkawa> e it
[18:50] <McBride36> gotcha, just curious
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[18:51] <acidjazz> is it easy to update my old pi sd cards to the new kernel?
[18:51] <Tenkawa> no problem
[18:51] <acidjazz> for pi 2?
[18:51] <peemo_> hello anyone have experience with retropie they can help me out?
[18:51] <acidjazz> i just got a bunch
[18:51] <Tenkawa> McBride36: typing 70-80 wpm with one hand is fun :)
[18:52] <Tenkawa> fortunately my parents are both great typers
[18:52] <wordsstartwithf> parents?
[18:52] <Tenkawa> wordsstartwithf: eh?
[18:53] <Bilby> peemo_ what's your problem?
[18:53] <peemo_> Bilby i can’t find “retroarch.cfg” file to edit.
[18:53] <Bilby> Tenkawa: que?
[18:53] <wordsstartwithf> i dont see how parents have to do with typing
[18:53] <Tenkawa> peemo_: ask away
[18:53] <wordsstartwithf> Bilby, watch out! i once said "hola" and the mods jumped on me
[18:53] <Tenkawa> wordsstartwithf: genetic disposition to some muscle control
[18:53] <peemo_> Tenkawa: retroarch.cfg i need to edit but i cant find it.
[18:53] <MY123> peemo_, find * |grep retroarch.cfg
[18:53] <Tenkawa> wordsstartwithf: and they both trained me since I could type
[18:54] <Bilby> wordsstartwithf: bonjour?
[18:54] <Tenkawa> peemo_: ph....
[18:54] <Tenkawa> er oh
[18:54] <wordsstartwithf> konnichiwa!
[18:54] <peemo_> i dont think i have raspbian installed though.
[18:54] <Tenkawa> I cant help with that onbe
[18:54] <peemo_> i just installed retropie directly onto the SD card
[18:54] <Bilby> I thought it was in the fat partition
[18:55] <Tenkawa> yeah i thought all of those config files were on the fat pt
[18:55] <pksato> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N77WZPadGdo
[18:55] * wordsstartwithf is now known as thetora
[18:55] <Tenkawa> I'll know again once I get my package tonight... as long as IT_Sean doesn't have it *laugh*
[18:55] <Bilby> peemo_ try /opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch.cfg ?
[18:55] <thetora> tora =/= torah
[18:56] <IT_Sean> Tenkawa: It's sitting on my desk as we speak. Thanks for that, by the way.
[18:56] <peemo_> Bilby: im on my mac not the pi
[18:56] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: no problem.. I try
[18:56] <peemo_> Bilby: let me screenshot you what i see.
[18:57] <swif> Yeahhhhhhh ! PI 2 is mine ! \o/ ...My precious
[18:57] <thetora> Bilby, you are a moderator here, correct?
[18:57] <peemo_> Bilby: http://i.imgur.com/Gmr75Ak.png this is what i see.
[18:57] <Bilby> swif niiiiiiiiice
[18:57] <peemo_> when i open the SD card on my mac.
[18:57] <Tenkawa> 6 rpis and 3 bbb's after today... this is going to be so much fun
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[18:57] <Bilby> thetora haha no. I just lurk alot because I work desktop support during the week and me == bored
[18:57] <thetora> i see
[18:58] <peemo_> i thought config.txt would be it but i need retroarch.cfg
[18:58] <Bilby> peemo_ it looks like you have to be on the linux partition to modify it
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[18:58] <peemo_> ok Bilby ill try
[18:58] <peemo_> ty
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[19:00] <Tenkawa> looks like that retroarch.cfg can go in several spots
[19:00] <Tenkawa> like /etc.. /opt/retropie/configs.. etc
[19:00] <Tenkawa> according to my google search
[19:02] <Tenkawa> tangent... one thing I "don't" dont like about ups is they dont tell you anything past out for delivery
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[19:02] <pksato> Raspberry Pi 2 Xenon Flash Problem Explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDfRCi1UV0
[19:02] <aberrant> so
[19:02] <aberrant> my rpi2 issues are solved, but I can’t get the software built on it :(
[19:03] <Tenkawa> aberrant: details?
[19:03] <aberrant> rpi2 is fast fast fast, though
[19:03] <aberrant> Tenkawa: I’m trying to build Julia. It’s a problem with the ARM port
[19:03] <Tenkawa> aberrant: think handbrake would work on it?
[19:03] <Tenkawa> aberrant: ahhh
[19:03] <aberrant> Tenkawa: I dunno. I don’t do media stuff :)
[19:03] <Tenkawa> er work well
[19:03] <Tenkawa> heheh ok
[19:03] <aberrant> it’s really speedy though
[19:03] <Tenkawa> hnice
[19:03] <aberrant> pretty impressive.
[19:04] <Tenkawa> I cant wait to get mine today
[19:04] <aberrant> don’t go for snappy ubuntu core though
[19:04] <aberrant> that’s just a waste of time for now
[19:04] <Tenkawa> I'm not
[19:04] <aberrant> use raspbian
[19:04] <Tenkawa> I'm going raspbian
[19:04] <Tenkawa> yep
[19:04] <Tenkawa> all my other ones are armhf raspbian
[19:05] <aberrant> the add’l meory certainly makes a difference
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[19:08] <dr4ke> Guys, I've got a question about partitioning my SD card. Why do my blocks start at 2048?
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[19:09] <dr4ke> for example, I'm trying to follow this: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[19:10] <dr4ke> and I'm getting a "value out of range" warning when I try to make my first partio
[19:10] <dr4ke> partition +100M
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[19:14] <Tenkawa> dr4ke: at which stage of creating>
[19:14] <Tenkawa> is therre other partitions already defined?
[19:14] <Tenkawa> if you do a print
[19:15] <dr4ke> if I print... there are no partitions listen
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[19:15] <dr4ke> *listed
[19:15] <Tenkawa> ok
[19:15] <Tenkawa> hmm
[19:15] <dr4ke> hang on let me see if I can clear it out one more time.
[19:15] <Tenkawa> ok
[19:15] <Tenkawa> I'll try to hel pif I can
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[19:16] <dr4ke> Ok. So, here's the deal:
[19:16] <xreal> Writing via Samba to the flash drive on my RaspberryPi is _very_ slow. Less than 3 MB/s, but the speed of the drive is okay. Writing to the SD-card is more than 5 MB/s. Anyone with an idea, what's wrong here? Can I tweak Samba somehow?
[19:17] <dr4ke> I typed 'o' to clear out old partitions and printed what was there... nothing.
[19:17] <dr4ke> But when I go to write the first partition, it tells me the first sector starts at block 2048
[19:17] <dr4ke> What gives?
[19:17] <Tenkawa> thats where mine started
[19:17] <Tenkawa> too
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[19:18] <dr4ke> So just make my boot partition start there and go for 100M?
[19:19] <Tenkawa> yes
[19:19] <dr4ke> Cool Tenkawa thanks a lot!
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[19:19] <Tenkawa> no problem.. hope that works
[19:19] <dr4ke> I'm sure it will. Have a productive day all!
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[19:20] <McBride36> ha, "productive"
[19:20] <Tenkawa> I "try" to have productive days
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[19:20] <Tenkawa> not always successful
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[19:21] <McBride36> work doesn't let me be productive
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[19:21] <McBride36> they cancelled the project i've been working on for three weeks
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[19:22] <Tenkawa> McBride36: wish I wouldve had "projects" to work on
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[19:23] <thetora> so, i uncommented "hdmi_force_hotplug=1" and it works but after a while the screen starts flashing
[19:23] <Tenkawa> then again I'm trying to shift to non-x86 admin/devel/architecture.. having few hits on where to find it a a job
[19:23] <Tenkawa> er as a
[19:23] <thetora> not like at a consistent rate. pretty randomly.
[19:23] <djazz> thetora: try increase the power?
[19:23] <djazz> or what it's called
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[19:24] <thetora> what power?
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[19:25] <thetora> wait i think i found something
[19:25] <thetora> hdmi_group and hdmi_mode
[19:25] <djazz> thetora: "Uncomment to increase signal to HDMI, if you have interference, blanking, or no display": #config_hdmi_boost=4
[19:25] <thetora> says it forces VGA
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[19:26] <djazz> thetora: that's only resolution, i think
[19:26] <thetora> i see
[19:26] <thetora> i did both
[19:26] <thetora> and i recommented the hdmi_force_hotplug
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[19:27] * Tenkawa cant wait to hook up all of these rpi's and see what he can do
[19:27] <thetora> all these?
[19:27] <thetora> how many?
[19:27] <thetora> im setting up 4 right now
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[19:28] <djazz> yeah try 4
[19:28] <Tenkawa> thetora: 2 quads and 4 b+
[19:28] <thetora> quads?
[19:28] <Tenkawa> 2's
[19:29] <thetora> oh
[19:29] <thetora> i want a 2
[19:29] <thetora> =(
[19:29] <Tenkawa> mine suppose to be here today
[19:29] <Tenkawa> 2 of them
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[19:29] <thetora> but also, my girlfriend got me the B+, so it's special
[19:29] <Tenkawa> nice
[19:29] <Tenkawa> my wife bought me a few
[19:30] <Tenkawa> she got me the 2's
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[19:30] <thetora> well, this was a few months ago
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[19:31] <thetora> the screen is still blinking
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[19:33] <xreal> Writing via Samba to the flash drive on my RaspberryPi is _very_ slow. Less than 3 MB/s, but the speed of the drive is okay. Writing to the SD-card is more than 5 MB/s. Anyone with an idea, what's wrong here? Can I tweak Samba somehow?
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[19:34] <ShorTie> samba, thats a network thing right ??
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[19:34] <ShorTie> brings files in over the nic
[19:34] <djazz> xreal: why samba? try nfs or ftp, they're much faster for me atleast
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[19:36] <ShorTie> it's most likely because samba is chewing up some of the usb bandwidth is why, not much can be done about that
[19:36] <thetora> ok, it's not blinking anymore but it isn't using the full screen
[19:36] <thetora> overscan?
[19:37] <Tenkawa> so anyone done much with the rpi2's smp capabilities yet?
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[19:38] <thetora> welp, it still blinks
[19:39] <thetora> increase hdmi_boost?
[19:42] <xreal> djazz: Windows 7 => Raspberry.
[19:42] <xreal> djazz: I don't think, Windows 7 will support NFS?
[19:42] <djazz> xreal: idk
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[19:44] <MY123> Where in France can a Pi be bought for 30euros maximum?
[19:44] <IT_Sean> The Internet.
[19:44] <IT_Sean> Pretty sure you have the innernet, you darn Frog.
[19:44] <thetora> AWW!! i was gonna say the internet
[19:45] <MY123> IT_Sean: 40 euros at Farnell
[19:45] <thetora> what's a farnell?
[19:45] <Payo> you mean the pi 2 MY123 ?
[19:45] <Tenkawa> win 10 on rpi should be neat
[19:45] <Payo> because it's not supposed to be 30€
[19:45] <Tenkawa> I cant wait to try it out
[19:45] <Payo> it's 35$ without taxes
[19:45] <IT_Sean> I've tried Win 10 (not on a Pi, mind you).
[19:45] <Payo> that's about 37€ with the TVA
[19:45] <Tenkawa> I have 2 win 10 tech boxes
[19:46] <Tenkawa> one tablet and one laptop
[19:46] <Tenkawa> they run fine
[19:46] <IT_Sean> well, as fine as anything running Win 10 can run, anyway.
[19:46] <MY123> Payo: 30 euros should be with TVA as the euro value is higher than dollar by an appreciable amount
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[19:47] <Payo> 35$ = 30€
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[19:47] <Tenkawa> win 10 will be just fine
[19:47] <Payo> add tva and it's 36
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[19:47] <Payo> more like 36.8 actually
[19:47] <Payo> so ...
[19:48] <Payo> good luck finding it for 30€ :p
[19:48] <Payo> right now it's more like 45 or 50 anyway since it's out of stock in a lot of places
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[19:49] <MY123> Payo: You can buy it for 36,70 euros with VAT at RS entreprises
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[19:49] <Tenkawa> mcm electronics in the usa is a great place to find them
[19:49] <MY123> Payo: But no trace of RPi2 on RSparticuliers
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[19:49] <thetora> now my pi wont output anythign!
[19:49] <MY123> IT_Sean: Can you explain why RS doesn't sell Pis to individuals in France?
[19:49] <thetora> er... video
[19:50] <Tenkawa> thetora: to vid port or any?
[19:50] <Payo> I got mine for 39.99, ordered the day it was announced on kubii
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[19:50] <MY123> (only to companies)
[19:50] <Payo> got it 3 days later
[19:50] <MY123> Payo, 50 euros now
[19:50] <Payo> it's still listed at 40 on kubii
[19:50] <Tenkawa> thetora: will it still output to hdmi?
[19:50] <Payo> but it's out of stock
[19:51] <MY123> Payo: They added higher shipping cost
[19:51] <thetora> yes
[19:51] <MY123> (than before)
[19:51] <Tenkawa> thetora: hmm
[19:51] <Payo> I payed 71.69€ for the pi 2 + case + power supply + micro sd and shipping
[19:51] <Payo> fine by me :p
[19:52] <Payo> I should have ordered 2 though :(
[19:52] <Tenkawa> I ordered the max mcm would allow
[19:53] <MY123> Payo: I wonder why RS particuliers only sells OLD RPis
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[19:53] <MY123> I think it should sell all the RPis according to the RPF contract
[19:53] <Payo> no idea, maybe they went to keep the few stocks they have for pros
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[19:54] <Payo> I've heard of people ordering from their company and having issues too anyway
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[19:54] <MY123> Payo: And I saw a model B 512M sold there at the same price as a B+
[19:55] <Payo> :/
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[19:55] <Payo> kubii has the B+ for 32.99€
[19:55] <Payo> it was on sale last week though it was pretty cheap
[19:55] <MY123> Payo, http://www.rs-particuliers.com/WebSearch/Raspberry_Pi-071209116.aspx
[19:55] <Tenkawa> I can't wait to see what one of these new rpi's does with a media (sata) drive attached vis usb and used as a media server
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[19:56] <MrGeneral> hey Tenkawa
[19:56] <MrGeneral> Tenkawa, I'm actually about to do that
[19:56] <MrGeneral> not sure how I'll mount it without using samba though
[19:56] <MY123> Payo: you can see that they confused the Compute Module and the IO board
[19:56] <Tenkawa> you should see the behemoth I'm using right now
[19:56] <MrGeneral> I don't think I need samba tbh
[19:56] <Tenkawa> MrGeneral: I'm attaching it to the rpi
[19:56] <MrGeneral> but I'll be using ownCloud etc
[19:56] <MrGeneral> yeah
[19:56] <MrGeneral> USB Tenkawa ?
[19:56] <Tenkawa> yep
[19:56] <MY123> Payo, with all of that, I even wonder if it's a legit site
[19:56] <MrGeneral> same here
[19:56] <MrGeneral> 3TB HDD
[19:56] <Tenkawa> you
[19:56] <Payo> who ? kubii ?
[19:57] <Tenkawa> er you'll attach it using a local fs for storage
[19:57] <MrGeneral> yeah
[19:57] <Tenkawa> then use your pick of api's for propogation
[19:57] <MrGeneral> then I need to find out how to mount it to owncloud
[19:57] <MY123> Payo: RS particuliers
[19:57] <Payo> oh ok
[19:57] <MY123> Payo: even SSL is disabled
[19:57] <Payo> i've never ordered from them
[19:57] <Tenkawa> MrGeneral: why not use media player apis and let them do the work
[19:58] <Payo> well maybe actually I don't remember where I bought my first 256MB rpi
[19:58] <Tenkawa> what is ownclouds role in your setup?
[19:58] <MrGeneral> Tenkawa, TV is already smart tv, so I won't need to use the raspberry as media center. It'll be hosting an internal wiki, and files for the family
[19:58] <MrGeneral> admin
[19:58] <MrGeneral> https://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7118
[19:58] <Tenkawa> ahhhhhh
[19:58] <MrGeneral> should be like that
[19:58] <Tenkawa> I'm building it all up from scratch to be based from the rpi
[19:59] <MrGeneral> yeah
[19:59] <MrGeneral> I'm just trying to get owncloud with usb attached
[19:59] <MrGeneral> should be pretty easy tho
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[19:59] <Tenkawa> yeah... i haventdone that so I won't be any help however good luck though
[19:59] <MrGeneral> yeah
[19:59] <Tenkawa> and wish me luck hehehehe
[19:59] <MrGeneral> thanks Tenkawa
[19:59] <MrGeneral> good luck :D
[19:59] <Tenkawa> sure thing
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[19:59] <Tenkawa> and thanks to you too
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[20:00] <MrGeneral> sure!:)
[20:00] <Tenkawa> now... UPS where are you????
[20:00] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[20:00] <MrGeneral> :p
[20:00] <Tenkawa> anyone remember car 54 where are you
[20:00] <Tenkawa> ?
[20:01] <abnormal> sounds like an oldie
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[20:01] <Tenkawa> MrGeneral: which distrib you going with?
[20:02] <Tenkawa> abnormal: very oldie
[20:02] <Tenkawa> 60's i think
[20:02] <Tenkawa> maybe even 50's
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[20:02] <MrGeneral> Tenkawa, raspbian, the only one who runs on raspberry 2
[20:02] <Payo> there's also a minimal raspbian out
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[20:03] <Tenkawa> MrGeneral: well... the only "packaged" one
[20:03] <MY123> Mr_Sheesh, not true
[20:03] <MY123> *Mr_General
[20:03] <Tenkawa> MrGeneral: I could build from scratch however thats a thing I do often
[20:03] <MY123> MrGeneral: There is also Plan9, Arch and Ubuntu for Pi2
[20:03] <Tenkawa> MY123: which other packaged ones currently run on rpi2?
[20:04] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[20:04] <MrGeneral> MY123, yeah wasn't aware about that
[20:04] <MrGeneral> yeah Tenkawa
[20:04] <Tenkawa> plan9.... cringe
[20:04] <Tenkawa> wheres riscos
[20:04] <Tenkawa> hrehheheheheh
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[20:05] <MY123> Tenkawa: There is http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=100539
[20:05] <Tenkawa> hehehe
[20:05] <Tenkawa> figured
[20:05] <Tenkawa> I just expect ibm one of these days to port aix to it
[20:05] <Tenkawa> just because
[20:06] <MY123> Tenkawa: I don't know about AIX, but Windows CE worked on Pi1
[20:06] <Tenkawa> really?
[20:06] <Tenkawa> cool
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[20:07] <Tenkawa> I'm waiting in anticipation for win 10 for the 2
[20:07] <MY123> Tenkawa, ceonpi.codeplex.com : better with the source code
[20:07] <Tenkawa> signed up already
[20:07] <cehteh> i bet the hercules emulator is available on raspbian
[20:07] <cehteh> so you can run zOS on the pi
[20:07] <MY123> Tenkawa, It was available for the Pi1 since 2013
[20:07] <Tenkawa> is there a trs80 one out there
[20:07] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[20:08] * Tenkawa wants to re-live his 1979-84 years again
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[20:08] <AirForce590> hi
[20:08] <AirForce590> How can I use this pwm driver https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10616 to control servos with my pi?
[20:09] <Tenkawa> I'm still waiting to experiment with powering my pi's via battery instead of ac
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[20:09] <thetora> so, the hdmi_boost config is what is killing the signal
[20:10] <AirForce590> How can I use this pwm driver https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10616 to control servos with my pi?
[20:10] <Tenkawa> interesting
[20:10] <thetora> or not...?
[20:10] <AirForce590> Also, is it possible to use an hbridge to control dc motors
[20:10] <Tenkawa> AirForce590: need to elaborate that question more
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[20:10] <thetora> i thought i had turned it on, but i didnt
[20:10] <thetora> i guess it's the framebuffer sizes that is killing it
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[20:12] <Tenkawa> going to be interesting to see if the rpi2 graphics can be fully utilized for handbrake
[20:12] <Tenkawa> then again just usb power enough to run a dvd drive is going to be tough enough
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[20:16] <thetora> i think it's the overscan that is messing it up
[20:17] <thetora> but it's not using the whole screen and it's really blurry
[20:18] <Tenkawa> do you have a specialized screen
[20:19] <Tenkawa> Ive had all my hdmi devices just use defaults
[20:20] <thetora> it's not an HDMI device
[20:20] <thetora> it's a regular monitor
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[20:20] <thetora> this one has DVI, but i need to use monitors that only have VGA
[20:20] <thetora> so, i have a VGA adapter
[20:21] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
[20:21] <IT_Sean> that would be why it's all blurry and junk
[20:21] <thetora> yeah, but i need it to NOT be
[20:22] <Bilby> are you forcing resolution now or letting it auto-detect?
[20:23] <thetora> auto-detect sets it at 640x480 (i think. it's low either way)
[20:23] <thetora> so, i set 1024x768
[20:24] <thetora> but there is probably 2cm of black around the image
[20:24] <IT_Sean> then get a better monitor. That ones is going to be all squiffy duck at anything other than it's native resolution
[20:25] <thetora> i'm using "hdmi_group=1" and "hdmi_mode=1"
[20:25] <thetora> i would have to convince my work to buy 5 new monitors... i dont think that will happen
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[20:26] <IT_Sean> What is that minotir's native resolution? That's the only resolution that won't be blurry.
[20:26] <IT_Sean> *monitor's
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[20:27] <thetora> what about the 2cm of blank space?
[20:27] <thetora> it set it to 1440x900 and it still has that
[20:28] <thetora> well, i did a manual reboot, isntead of sudo reboot
[20:28] <thetora> and now it wont show anything at that resolution
[20:28] <Tenkawa> do you have any overscan set?
[20:29] <thetora> no, it kills the video
[20:29] <Tenkawa> hmmm
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[20:30] <thetora> i gotta go to lunch anyway
[20:30] <Tenkawa> enjoy
[20:30] <thetora> i wont... i'm starting to get sick =/
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[20:30] <Tenkawa> bummer
[20:32] <Bilby> :/
[20:32] <Bilby> so weird. we had no problems at all with the VGA adapters
[20:34] <Bilby> thetora when you hard-set the native resolution of the screen it still gave you black borders?
[20:35] <MY123> Bilby: The best VGA adapter is VGA666
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[20:35] <Tenkawa> yay
[20:36] <Tenkawa> my rpi2'sare here
[20:36] <Tenkawa> opening boxes
[20:36] * IT_Sean waits for Tenkawa to realise that the box contains only a few small rocks
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[20:36] <Tenkawa> haaahaa
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[20:39] <Bilby> MY123 are they evil?
[20:39] <Bilby> aha, that's why tabcomplete didn't work
[20:41] <swif> someone here have a usb wifi linksys AE6000 + Pi / Pi2 ?
[20:41] <Bilby> ... hah! In a (brisk for him) 20 minutes, dave explains the Rpi2 xenon flash problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDfRCi1UV0
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[20:51] <l_r> what's up
[20:51] <l_r> Payo, minimal raspian?
[20:52] <l_r> Payo, where is it?
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[20:52] <Payo> https://minibianpi.wordpress.com
[20:52] <Payo> :)
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[20:52] <l_r> Payo, but is it "official"? and only for rpi2?
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[20:52] <Payo> it's not official
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[20:52] <Payo> it works on any rpi
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[20:54] <l_r> Preparing to replace raspberrypi-bootloader 1.20150130-1 (using .../raspberrypi-bootloader_1.20150214-1_armhf.deb) ...
[20:54] <l_r> i am scared
[20:55] <kevireilly> Hey there. I have a scenario that I believe might be a recursive reboot, but the strange thing is I don't experience this issue with a monitor attached. Only without a monitor. Is there anything of merit to this possibility or anything worth investigating?
[20:56] <kevireilly> I've got some things taking place in rc.local (which may not be the appropriate place, open to suggestions) that aren't logged and may be to blame, though I'm not sure how having a monitor attached might influence them since it is mostly network related
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[20:58] <qubitnerd> are you sure its rebooting ?
[20:58] <qubitnerd> kevireilly:
[20:58] <Bilby> l_r minibian is quite nice
[20:59] <kevireilly> qubitnerd: fair question, no I am not. In this specific scenario ping/ssh will cyclically start to connect and then timeout before being "host is down" until it comes back around again
[20:59] <kevireilly> so it could very well simply be cyclical network failure
[21:00] <qubitnerd> perhaps
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[21:00] <qubitnerd> try the same with the monitor on
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[21:03] <kevireilly> qubitnerd: but that is the problem, the same setup appears to work fine only when there is a monitor attached
[21:03] <kevireilly> otherwise I have to replug 2-3 times before it works
[21:03] <qubitnerd> hmm
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[21:03] <aberrant> kevireilly: set up remote syslog
[21:04] <aberrant> that way you’ll see the dmesg strings on a remote box each time the device reboots
[21:04] <aberrant> (perhaps)
[21:04] <kevireilly> aberrant: interesting idea, will do. Though I should be able to determine from the normal syslog after the fact, I fear that something happening in rc.local that isn't logged may be to blame. But I'm grasping at straws.
[21:04] <kevireilly> ahhh to see if it is rebooting, that makes sense.. good call
[21:04] <aberrant> kevireilly: if dmesg doesn’t actually get syslogged, add a logger line to rc.local
[21:05] <qubitnerd> if anything at all crazy reboots should happen only when you connect more devices ... wierd that it should happen without a monitor .. wierd it should happen related to a monitor in the first place
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[21:05] <aberrant> you connecting via straight hdmi?
[21:05] <kevireilly> aberrant: may I ask what the logger line may be?
[21:05] <kevireilly> yes
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[21:06] <aberrant> just something like logger "I rebooted" at the beginning of rc.local
[21:06] <aberrant> if you set up your syslog.conf properly, that message should then be sent to the remote host
[21:06] <kevireilly> qubitnerd: in particular this is targeted towards wpa_supplicant and I have seen a crash ever so often when trying to shutdown, though I'm not sure the source yet
[21:06] <aberrant> you can set different facilities/priorities using -p, but you shouldn’t need to
[21:06] <kevireilly> aberrant: aha, good point
[21:07] <aberrant> oh, also
[21:07] <aberrant> if this is wireless, the issue may be related to rekeying
[21:07] <aberrant> so it’s not a reboot, it’s an ifdown due to rekey
[21:07] <aberrant> I can’t remember how I solved that.
[21:07] <kevireilly> oh! interesting. I'll have to look more into that
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[21:08] <aberrant> yeah, are you sure you’re not losing network connectivity even if the monitor is plugged in?
[21:08] <Tenkawa> first unit is online and running :)
[21:08] <aberrant> Tenkawa: sweet
[21:08] <aberrant> how many do you have?
[21:08] <Tenkawa> just got 2 for now
[21:08] <aberrant> nice
[21:08] <Tenkawa> had limit of 3 and I'm giving the third to a friend
[21:09] <aberrant> just remember that you’ll really want a 10W (5Vx2A) power supply
[21:09] <Tenkawa> thats what I'm using
[21:09] <aberrant> my 5W PS couldn’t handle heavy compiles on the RPi2
[21:09] <kevireilly> aberrant: excellent question and something I do need to confirm. I can see how this may be a perceived issue related to the monitor when in reality it might be happening regardless
[21:09] <Tenkawa> 2amp
[21:10] <kevireilly> aberrant: thank you very much for your ideas and input. It is much appreciated
[21:10] <aberrant> yupyup
[21:10] <aberrant> kevireilly: good luck
[21:10] <kevireilly> also wanted to say thanks to qubitnerd but he poofed
[21:10] <Tenkawa> wow this thing is nice and fast
[21:10] <aberrant> Tenkawa: :)
[21:10] <aberrant> I’m very pleased with mine
[21:11] <Tenkawa> think it would handle handbrake?
[21:11] <aberrant> I could see just popping these around various networks and having a nice distributed computing system.
[21:11] <aberrant> can handbrake multi-core?
[21:11] <Tenkawa> yes
[21:11] <Tenkawa> and its gpu intensive
[21:11] <aberrant> then I’d definitely give it a try
[21:11] <aberrant> oh, well
[21:11] <Tenkawa> oh I'm going to try
[21:11] <Tenkawa> no doubt about that
[21:11] <aberrant> make sure you have your memsplit set up appropriately
[21:11] <Tenkawa> I'm more concerned about the usb-dvd
[21:11] <aberrant> my pi is headless so I did 16
[21:12] <aberrant> if I could do 0 I would
[21:12] <Tenkawa> yeah I typicly setup 16 too however since I do need to use the gpu...
[21:12] <Tenkawa> wow this thing feels so much faster
[21:13] <McBride36> did you try rubbing it with cheetah blood
[21:13] <Tenkawa> huh?? (don't get the reference)
[21:14] <aberrant> cheetahs are fast
[21:14] <Tenkawa> oh no specific ref... just what it sounded like
[21:14] <Tenkawa> wanted to make sure I didnt miss something
[21:15] <aberrant> I dunno
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[21:17] <l_r> do anyone of you know where i can get this damn tplink 8188 wifi usb driver for the most recent kernel version?
[21:18] <Tenkawa> l_r: do you know the name of the binfile?
[21:18] <Tenkawa> the firmware binfile
[21:19] <l_r> Tenkawa, i don't think there is any blob to this device? or do you mean anything else?
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[21:19] <Tenkawa> well if its a non kernel source driver it would be a firmware blob I'd imagine
[21:20] <jumpsmoker> hey, has somebody got kexec running on rpi?
[21:20] <Tenkawa> l_r: let me see what I can find
[21:20] <l_r> 8188eu.ko is the name of the apparently-BINARY-ONLY kernel module
[21:20] <Tenkawa> ahh
[21:20] <l_r> Tenkawa, i could not find any source code................................... !!!
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[21:20] <Tenkawa> l_r: really?
[21:20] <Tenkawa> ouch
[21:20] <l_r> in 2015 they still provide things like that
[21:21] <l_r> damn them
[21:21] <Tenkawa> oh the eu version too
[21:21] <Tenkawa> l_r: its in staging
[21:21] <Tenkawa> did you check staging drivers>
[21:21] <Tenkawa> >
[21:21] <Tenkawa> ?
[21:21] <l_r> not yet
[21:22] <l_r> let me see
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[21:24] <bynarie> anyone got this case - > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OBVOALO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - and what do you think of it?
[21:25] <bynarie> for their pi
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[21:28] <Tenkawa> l_r: did that help?
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[21:28] <andocromn> anyone have some info on the GPIO header pinout of the new raspberry pi 2? it has much more than the original
[21:28] <theugster> Eh, just nail it to a wall
[21:28] <l_r> Tenkawa, yes thanks, they changed the name to r8188eu instead of 8188eu
[21:28] <Tenkawa> cool. glad you found it
[21:29] <WACOMalt> for making simple GPIO interaction with buttons via python, are most libraries gonna be 2.7 or 3.X ?
[21:29] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: probably both
[21:29] <WACOMalt> oh
[21:29] <Tenkawa> i've seen a mix of both still
[21:29] <WACOMalt> ok. just checking before I start installing stuff
[21:29] <Tenkawa> what distro you on?
[21:29] <WACOMalt> now to find my breadboard
[21:29] <WACOMalt> raspbian
[21:30] <Tenkawa> use apt-file and search for a example .py file and see what package versionsare the most common
[21:30] <Tenkawa> thats what I usually do
[21:30] <Tenkawa> that way you can see what the trend is at least
[21:30] <WACOMalt> good call
[21:31] <Tenkawa> python is so flexible however so varied in versions
[21:31] <Tenkawa> wow this new rpi is fast
[21:32] <WACOMalt> I guess rpi.GPIO is all I need
[21:32] <WACOMalt> yeah tell me about it :D
[21:32] <WACOMalt> now if only I could get openarena running smoothly
[21:32] <WACOMalt> not sure why but I get like 1 frame every 4 seconds
[21:32] <Tenkawa> having difficulties with the raspberrypi-bootloader package hanging though trying to apt-get it
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[21:39] <WACOMalt> I have a Pi2 and am using python, I use a Pi Cobbler. what numbering method would work best forme?
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[21:40] <Tenkawa> that I cant gyuess at
[21:40] <Tenkawa> er guess
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[21:41] <Tenkawa> anyone got the rpi2 cpu config.txt defaults handy?
[21:41] <edmondy> Does anyone know of a newbie guide to installing other os images to berryboot? I am on their website now and trying to understand it.
[21:43] <WACOMalt> edmondy, not sure of a guide
[21:43] <WACOMalt> which OS you looking at installing?
[21:44] <WACOMalt> the img file has to be squashfs which takes a few steps to convert to if it's not already
[21:44] <WACOMalt> some distros come with a "SYSTEM" file in their zip which if you rename to img probably would work
[21:44] <WACOMalt> Rasplex does this
[21:45] <edmondy> Ok. I think I understand it now after rereading it for about the 5th time. Thanks! :)
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[21:46] <WACOMalt> edmondy, http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot/adding_custom_distributions
[21:46] <WACOMalt> good walkthrough
[21:46] <Tenkawa> anyone seen raspberrypi-bootloader .deb hang on install
[21:46] <WACOMalt> nope
[21:46] <Tenkawa> hmm
[21:46] <edmondy> Ok..im there now..just about to work on it now..thanks
[21:46] <WACOMalt> what OS and what is that file?
[21:46] <WACOMalt> @ Tenkawa
[21:46] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: its a raspbian package
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[21:47] <WACOMalt> oh. isnt raspbian in the distros for berryboot?
[21:47] <WACOMalt> like directly
[21:47] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: I wasnt the one talking about berryboot
[21:48] <WACOMalt> what OS and what is that file?ah right sorry
[21:48] <WACOMalt> I saw bootloader and though berryboot
[21:48] <Tenkawa> heheheh I heary a
[21:48] <Tenkawa> nah this is a debian annoyance
[21:48] <WACOMalt> gotcha
[21:48] <thetora> Bilby, no when i hard set the native resolution of 1440x900 it gave me nothing at all
[21:48] <WACOMalt> Darnit I cant find my breadboard
[21:48] <ryankarason> anyone want to save me a headache?
[21:48] <WACOMalt> was gonna start wiring up some buttons to control my i3 workspaces
[21:49] <Tenkawa> I'm going to strace and see what the darn thing is doing
[21:49] <WACOMalt> ryankarason, how?
[21:49] <Tenkawa> ryankarason: whats up
[21:49] <ryankarason> some time ago i came across a game emulator for raspberry pi
[21:49] <ryankarason> i cannot remember the name... whatsoever
[21:49] <WACOMalt> for what game system?
[21:49] <ryankarason> and i have been scrapping the web trying to find it
[21:49] <WACOMalt> or not talking retropi are you?
[21:49] <ryankarason> WACOMalt: i recall there being at least NES, SNES and Atari
[21:49] <ryankarason> not it isn't retropi
[21:49] <WACOMalt> yeah probably mame via retropi
[21:50] <ryankarason> it isn't mame
[21:50] <ryankarason> see, it may be bad, as it apparently isn't popular
[21:50] <ryankarason> as i am pages in to google and i cannot find it :/
[21:50] <WACOMalt> :/
[21:50] <ryankarason> i think it started with an L or and S, that does me 0 good
[21:50] <Tenkawa> strace is so handy :)
[21:50] <WACOMalt> yeah sorry. I'll look a bit though
[21:50] <Tenkawa> i see the problem in this process
[21:51] <Tenkawa> problem is fixing it isnt going to be eady
[21:51] <Tenkawa> er east
[21:51] <Tenkawa> er easy
[21:51] <ryankarason> hehe, no worries, just wondering maybe if ya'll knew of any other emulators other than retropi/mame
[21:51] <Tenkawa> ryankarason: snes9x...
[21:51] <Tenkawa> i think it might still be around
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[21:52] <ryankarason> Tenkawa: it wasn't that either. i guess it doesn't matter, should just try to use one that i can find
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[21:52] <ryankarason> i know i told someone about it, but i don't think i have logs of the conversation :/
[21:52] <ryankarason> and i cannot remember what computer i viewed the website
[21:52] <ryankarason> nor what browser :/
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[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> MESS covers a lot of systems, but from what I recall the speed is pretty glacial
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> I do have a version I compiled myself that uses OpenGLES2 but I've yet to test it properly
[22:02] <Tenkawa> I hope my microcenter has proper cases for the rpi2 boards
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[22:02] <Stephini> How sad is it that in this blasted build hotglueing in the usb ports is the first thing that i haven't had trouble with?
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[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> How's it all coming along Stephini?
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[22:05] <Tenkawa> heh this thing does not like this one micro sd card I'm using
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[22:05] <Tenkawa> then again it has been used a LOT
[22:06] <Stephini> Sonny_Jim, I have the plan. the USB ports are installed where the RCA comes out I have eithernet power and HDMI planned, and i had to backpeddle this morning because after i had the working reset switch i went to solder it. dropped a glob that was way to big almost shit myself but luckily it didn't bond toe hte board just the pins so i was able to pull them out and now i just gotta start over on the reset switch.
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[22:07] <Stephini> for the 3 cable forms i need to buy 6inch male to female patch cables for each. trying to decide if i should do microHDMI instead of full HDMI so i dont need to mod the case as much.
[22:08] <thetora> i feel that larger case mods are easier
[22:08] <Stephini> thetora, is NES large or small in your reckoning?
[22:08] <thetora> for a dremel?
[22:09] <WACOMalt> Tenkawa, check on their site
[22:09] <Stephini> thetora you said large case mods were easier. :P
[22:09] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: eh?
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[22:09] <WACOMalt> microcenter
[22:09] <WACOMalt> they haveB+ cases that should be fine right?
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[22:09] <Tenkawa> ahh
[22:09] <Tenkawa> yeah
[22:10] <WACOMalt> I picked mine up a MCM electronics showroom
[22:10] <WACOMalt> good company
[22:10] <Tenkawa> I just need to go over there and picked up a few
[22:10] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: oh yeah
[22:10] <WACOMalt> one of the only plces I can find in Ohio :(
[22:10] <Tenkawa> thats who I got my boards from
[22:10] <WACOMalt> nice
[22:10] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: ohio too?
[22:10] <WACOMalt> yup
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[22:10] <WACOMalt> Near Dayton area
[22:10] <Tenkawa> same here
[22:10] <Tenkawa> columbus
[22:10] <WACOMalt> Haha awesome
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[22:11] <WACOMalt> Dude have you heard of the ProtoPrint Bar in Dayton?
[22:11] <Tenkawa> yeah mcm order was made yesterday.. got here today :)
[22:11] <Tenkawa> vaguely
[22:11] <WACOMalt> the showroom is in Springboro if you want something fast ish
[22:11] <WACOMalt> can do will-call orders
[22:11] <Tenkawa> oh cool
[22:11] <WACOMalt> big drive for you though
[22:11] <WACOMalt> about 30min for me
[22:11] <Tenkawa> I heard they had a nice one
[22:11] <WACOMalt> its small but anything you order online you can pick up there in 3 hrs
[22:12] <Tenkawa> very nice
[22:12] <WACOMalt> small showroom hooked to a massive warehouse
[22:12] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: btw.. wth is up with this weather
[22:12] <Tenkawa> i;ve been here almost 20 years and this is just odd
[22:12] <WACOMalt> yeah its rediculous
[22:12] <Tenkawa> indeed
[22:12] <WACOMalt> -30 windchills last night? really?
[22:12] <Tenkawa> yeah -24 here
[22:13] <WACOMalt> I work at a local school and have been off work for 4 days
[22:13] <Tenkawa> I'm from the deep south originally
[22:13] <WACOMalt> but.. getting paid still
[22:13] <Tenkawa> we dot know what cold is
[22:13] <Tenkawa> er dont
[22:13] <WACOMalt> ah I was born in Ohio, Florida for College, then California for Work for 3 years, not back to Ohio
[22:13] <WACOMalt> I like Ohio a lot
[22:13] <Tenkawa> ohio is great.. just questionable winters
[22:14] <WACOMalt> s/not/now
[22:14] <WACOMalt> yeah.I though this one would be mild
[22:14] <Tenkawa> louisiana was great.. until july
[22:14] <WACOMalt> it was for most of the beginning
[22:14] <IT_Sean> isn't it cold as... well. COLD up there in OH?
[22:14] <WACOMalt> ah, yes
[22:14] <WACOMalt> Well not like boston issues
[22:15] <WACOMalt> or canada
[22:15] <IT_Sean> No, but, still
[22:15] <IT_Sean> BRR!
[22:15] <Tenkawa> we arent getting the major precipitation
[22:15] <WACOMalt> but yeah we get both bad winters and sometimes bad summers
[22:15] <Tenkawa> just darn cold
[22:15] <Stephini> hey if you were trying to put an RPI into an NES box would you run an HDMI patch cable to the back requiring a semi moderate ammount of precision cutting or run a microHDMI patch cable to the back requiring little to no cutting at all?
[22:15] * IT_Sean moves to the south to escape the cold!
[22:15] <WACOMalt> fall is awesome though
[22:15] <IT_Sean> *moved
[22:15] <WACOMalt> Stephini, honestly, the full sized one
[22:15] <Tenkawa> Stephini: depends on your cabinet really
[22:15] <WACOMalt> everyone has those cords lying around. no one has micro/mini cables
[22:15] <Stephini> WACOMalt, why's that?
[22:16] <WACOMalt> usability in the end would be better with regular HDMI
[22:16] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: actually I have quite a few minis now
[22:16] <WACOMalt> ah, lucky
[22:16] <Tenkawa> tablets
[22:16] <Stephini> ahh i was thinking if i do the micro i'll be buying a micro to hdmi m/m specifically for the pi.
[22:16] <WACOMalt> bring it to your friend's house, they wont :P
[22:16] <Tenkawa> I use a lot of micro-usb cables too
[22:16] <Tenkawa> those are nice
[22:16] <WACOMalt> I have far too many of those
[22:17] <WACOMalt> and yet can never find them when I need an extra
[22:17] <Tenkawa> wow this microsd card is suffering
[22:17] <Tenkawa> need to replace it with my new ones
[22:17] <WACOMalt> what is the type called thats really fast... HS 1 or something?
[22:17] <WACOMalt> HC
[22:17] <WACOMalt> I dunno. I got one of those
[22:17] <Stephini> Tenkawa,since you said it depends, what are the factors you feel matter in the decision?
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[22:18] <Tenkawa> Stephini: air flow... dust.. stability of the connector
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[22:18] <WACOMalt> then Id go with full size hdmi for sure
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[22:18] <Tenkawa> WACOMalt: bigger holes
[22:18] <WACOMalt> had too many mini and micros break on me
[22:18] <Tenkawa> more chance for air
[22:18] <Stephini> i'd be hotgluing the connector in with craftsman heavy grade hot glue. :P
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[22:18] <WACOMalt> cool, so no dust :)
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[22:19] <WACOMalt> I kinda wanna mod my RPi for nes too
[22:19] <WACOMalt> I have the B+ laying around now since my Pi2 arrived
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[22:19] <Stephini> WACOMalt, got a spare dead NES laying around? :P
[22:19] <WACOMalt> can you make it read NES directly from a real cartridge
[22:19] <WACOMalt> ?
[22:19] <WACOMalt> Actually, yes
[22:19] <WACOMalt> er.. its working :/
[22:19] <WACOMalt> so Id be breaking a working one
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[22:19] <Stephini> hrm that i do not know. maybe you could make a 42 pin converter board?
[22:19] <WACOMalt> to make it work... more
[22:20] <McBride36> lol
[22:20] <McBride36> working NES's are not difficult to find
[22:20] <Stephini> i would never bust up a working nes to make a retrones. :P
[22:20] <WACOMalt> It should be doable somehow... but probably over my head if its not been made already
[22:20] <Stephini> they aren't but every year there are fewer in the wild.
[22:20] <Sonny_Jim> *sigh*
[22:20] <McBride36> that's why i've got mine safely locked away
[22:21] <Sonny_Jim> NES's grow on trees, it's very easy to find one with a duff 72pin connector to repurpose
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[22:21] <Sonny_Jim> Now, if you were gutting a Sam Coupe to put a Pi in it, then I might get mad
[22:21] <WACOMalt> I could probably just take a crappy game that I dont want, relable it and make it a USB sd card reader
[22:21] <WACOMalt> or, make one of those be a USB hub
[22:21] <Tenkawa> lets see how badly this kernel screws me up
[22:21] <WACOMalt> that you slide in to plug into an internal USB port
[22:21] <Stephini> i want to pick one up before the price jacking starts affecting them like it has already done to the genesis and SNES. ohh yeah and apparently the master system is crazy valuable. (ok only 25 bucks but still that's too rich for that system IMO. not enough killer apps)
[22:21] <Bilby> thetora no video output? I think your vga adapters are junk mate
[22:21] <Sonny_Jim> Stephini: I paid less than £4 for my last SNES
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> Top tip: Buy them from Japan, much cheaper
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[22:22] <WACOMalt> oh man I'm totally gonna do this
[22:22] <Stephini> how long ago and are you talking about a rumage/thrift find?
[22:22] <WACOMalt> Mine was new in box
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> The postage is a killer, but I just get a few friends and bundle them together
[22:22] <WACOMalt> got it free 4 years ago
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> Let me grab the seller I use
[22:22] <Stephini> NES from japan? that seems weird. wouldn't it be FCs in japan?
[22:22] <WACOMalt> my aunt had one she never used
[22:22] <Tenkawa> no way this is going to work... going to try it though
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> Notice I said SNES
[22:22] <Davespice> hi folks
[22:23] <WACOMalt> hoyo
[22:23] <Tenkawa> Davespice: hey
[22:23] <IT_Sean> hey Davespice
[22:23] <Stephini> ok just ad a super to my question. :P
[22:23] <Sonny_Jim> Stephini: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/yamatoku-classic/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
[22:23] <Davespice> anyone here ever had much use for a PoE surge protector?
[22:23] <Stephini> i only want snes, genesis, and nes in model 1. :P ms i dont care cause i didn't have one as a kid. :P
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[22:25] <Sonny_Jim> Boxed Super Famicom for £17; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Famicom-Console-JP-GAME-/331482598735?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2de70d4f
[22:25] <Sonny_Jim> Some great bargains there, can recommend the seller
[22:26] <Stephini> super FC is almost as ugly as model 2 snes.
[22:27] <Tenkawa> bbl... cheers all
[22:27] <Stephini> asta ten
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[22:27] <ryankarason> i have come to the conclusion that the best course of action is to assume this OS/emulator was discovered ina dream and only exists there
[22:27] <ryankarason> and, i am an ex-OHIO :)
[22:28] <Stephini> ryankarason, what OS/emulator are you speaking of?
[22:28] <ryankarason> Stephini: i have no idea, and that is the issue
[22:28] <ryankarason> but ima leave it at that.
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[22:28] <ryankarason> OHIO is nice, but yeah winter is :/
[22:29] <ryankarason> currently my weather is 60F— and i am very happy it is so
[22:29] <Stephini> ahh. the usage of "this" seemed to imply that we should know what emulator you speak of. maybe not by name but liek some descriptors you may have shared that i missed. :P
[22:29] <ryankarason> Stephini: i mentioned me looking for it prior to you hoping on IRC
[22:30] <ryankarason> hopping*
[22:30] <Stephini> ahh.
[22:30] <Stephini> to bad i hadn't noticed the dissconnect sooner.
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[22:31] <Stephini> holy shit. someone wants 85USD for the yellowest model 1 i've ever seen.
[22:31] <Stephini> err sorry.
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[22:36] <thetora> Bilby, would it be possible to 'test' to see if they have like a full functionality or something>
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[22:40] <IT_Sean> Stephini ... ...
[22:41] <IT_Sean> I believe you meant to say "holy poo", right?
[22:41] <steve_rox> anyone know the presise voltage for usb ports based on the standard?
[22:41] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: 5v
[22:41] <IT_Sean> USB is 5v
[22:41] <steve_rox> 5.25 max?
[22:41] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[22:41] <IT_Sean> 5.25 max
[22:42] <steve_rox> definate?
[22:42] <thetora> why .25?
[22:42] <IT_Sean> becasue thats what the spec says, thetora.
[22:42] <Stephini> IT_Sean, exactly
[22:42] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: Nomincal voltage: 5v. Maximum: 5.25.
[22:42] <steve_rox> i have to adust the dc-dc board
[22:42] <IT_Sean> Stephini: Okat then.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> *Okay
[22:42] <thetora> i see
[22:42] <steve_rox> since rpi is moaning about low power
[22:43] <steve_rox> can reading the voltage out of the rpi usb be a accurate source to evaluate the voltage its getting?
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[22:44] <steve_rox> reading 4.70 from its ports
[22:44] <Halts> you're 4.70
[22:44] <Halts> don't tell me how to live my life.
[22:44] <steve_rox> thats not productive
[22:44] <IT_Sean> steve_rox: what's your input voltage?
[22:45] <steve_rox> ill have to read it in a sec
[22:45] <steve_rox> get me multi meter out
[22:45] <steve_rox> using a 12v router wall wart then a dc-dc board to step it down
[22:45] <Stephini> what should go in the kit first? multimeter or breadboard?
[22:45] <IT_Sean> Stephini: if you don't have a multimeter, get one.
[22:46] <steve_rox> its like a tricorder off star trek :-P
[22:46] <Stephini> k. to thank me for rewiring her sewing machine my grans offered to buy me a piece of kit and i have been tryign to decide what to getfirst. i also concidered the pi2. :P
[22:47] <IT_Sean> Stephini: The two tools you absoluitly really totally should have: Soldering iron. Mulltimeter.
[22:47] <Stephini> i've got the iron and a high grade hard to find craftsman hot glue gun. :P
[22:47] <Stephini> the iron is just a shacker though.
[22:47] <Stephini> oh man just think. the next generation of EEs and hobbiests wont be able to buy shack gear.
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[22:49] <IT_Sean> Stephini: then get a Multimeter. You've got the other two important tools.
[22:49] <ali1234> hot glue gun is important?
[22:49] <IT_Sean> ali1234: I think so.
[22:49] <ali1234> lol
[22:49] <IT_Sean> the least so of the three, but, yeah.
[22:49] <steve_rox> hot glue can be handy , i just dont use a hot glue gun , i use a lighter
[22:50] <IT_Sean> Stephini: You don't need to get a super expensive one, but, do your self a favor and DON'T buy the cheap $5 crap special.
[22:50] <steve_rox> i did :-P
[22:50] <steve_rox> just dont shove it into 240v
[22:50] <IT_Sean> I have a cheap crap one that I use for quick ' dirty "yeah, that works" type testing, but, for anything serious, spent a bit more and get a good one.
[22:51] <WACOMalt> Is the GPIO layout on Pi2 model B any different from Pi1 B+ ?
[22:51] <WACOMalt> because the cobbler I got is labeled from a B+
[22:51] <WACOMalt> dont wanna fry my board
[22:51] <McBride36> no
[22:51] <IT_Sean> I'm 99.99999% sure they are the same, WACOMalt
[22:51] <McBride36> but it probably won't fit
[22:51] <Bilby> thetora not really :(
[22:51] <McBride36> IT_Sean, bump that up
[22:51] <McBride36> 100%
[22:51] <thetora> i didnt think so...
[22:52] <Bilby> do you have a blu-ray player or a regular computer you could use it with?/
[22:52] <Bilby> if you have a computer with hdmi out you could test it that way
[22:52] <thetora> it's 4 devices
[22:52] <IT_Sean> McBride36: I always like to leave 0.00001% for plausable deniability. This way, when it goes BANG, i have an excuse. :p
[22:52] <Bilby> It would let you ensure the actual adapter is working properly, atl east
[22:53] <McBride36> heh
[22:53] <Stephini> McBride36, how would it not fit? the cobbler is completely seperate i can see the 40 pin connector you choose to use MAYBE not fitting but even there i doubt they are going to change the spacing of the pins.
[22:53] <McBride36> wait, do you have a B+ or B?
[22:53] <IT_Sean> Stephini is right. the pin layout and spacing is the same as the B+
[22:53] <WACOMalt> for buttons on GPIO is it best to go from, say, the 3.3v to a GPIO pin?
[22:53] <McBride36> i had a brainfart, my b
[22:53] <WACOMalt> resisters needed?
[22:53] <IT_Sean> and a B+ has the same as the B, ust more pins. The pins that are common to both are the same.
[22:54] <IT_Sean> *just
[22:54] <McBride36> you can use the 40 pin on the B but not the B on the B+
[22:54] <McBride36> i think
[22:54] <WACOMalt> righto
[22:54] <steve_rox> well my dc-dc board is outputting 5.33v
[22:54] <steve_rox> not sure what the rpi is moaning about
[22:54] <WACOMalt> and can use the same 40 pin and layout from B+ to Pi2?
[22:54] <Stephini> they also make a cobler cable just for the b i believe. :P
[22:54] <IT_Sean> that's a bit warm, steve_rox.
[22:54] <steve_rox> unless its not outputting the amps
[22:54] <IT_Sean> THAT ^
[22:54] <IT_Sean> it could be dropping out under load.
[22:54] <IT_Sean> Try a proper 5v phone charger.
[22:55] <McBride36> samsung's work well!
[22:55] <steve_rox> i dont think i have one :-P
[22:55] <IT_Sean> ...
[22:55] <IT_Sean> how is that even possible
[22:55] <McBride36> if you have devices with microusb, most are 5v
[22:55] <steve_rox> ill read the power when its hooked into rpi see if its sagging
[22:55] <McBride36> i use my kindle charger for my pi
[22:55] <IT_Sean> Every mobile phone sold i nthe last DECADE has a USB standard charger!
[22:55] <Stephini> ohh yeah btw guys: i didn't spend any money on my glue gun. we're not sure how we got it. but i was tlaking about having 2 crappy soldering irons my grandma said i had a fancy one in her garage. went out and found the gluegun she said that was what she was talking about and i could have it as she didn't know who it belonged to if not me. :P
[22:56] <Stephini> IT_Sean, not true. nokia still uses non usb
[22:56] <IT_Sean> Alright all. Im off. Headed home. Back inna bit
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[22:56] <Stephini> asta
[22:56] <steve_rox> have fun
[22:56] <IT_Sean> Stephini: Okay, ALMOST every phone. And i bet you a dollar that weird nokia connector has USB in it.
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[22:56] <ali1234> considering that the nokia connector is a barrel jack, i doubt it has USB
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[23:05] <Yugnoswam> Hi, is anyone else experiencing static on the analogue audio output on the RPi2? It appears to only happen when any noise is output, eg a navigation sound or video playing.
[23:05] <[Saint]> the raspi's audio is....not very great, at all.
[23:06] <Yugnoswam> I never had the issue with my Model B, same cables/power supply etc too
[23:06] <Yugnoswam> I've tried different power supplies, audio cables, USB cables etc
[23:06] <thescatman> Yugnoswam, I've only had issues with the sound in Quake 3 on it, but that's all i've played
[23:06] <[Saint]> I used to use http://nz.element14.com/wolfson-microelectronics/cirrus-logic-audio-card/cirrus-logic-audio-card-for-raspberry/dp/2448312
[23:07] <[Saint]> which is _damn_ nice.
[23:07] <thescatman> It got pretty static-y when it was outputting sound
[23:07] <Yugnoswam> I don't want to purchse additional items for the Pi to fix the issue, the audio should be clear from the onboard output
[23:08] <Yugnoswam> My Model B was very clear without any issue. Just seems to be the new board that is the issue
[23:08] <[Saint]> Sadly, I don't think the cirrus logic audio card (formerly the wolfson audio card) is compatible with the Pi 2.
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[23:08] <[Saint]> Though, it /might/ be.
[23:08] <[Saint]> I honestly don't know.
[23:08] <[Saint]> Yugnoswam: you probably got lucky on the model B dude.
[23:08] <Yugnoswam> I'm only going to be using the 3.5mm for a couple of weeks while I wait to get a HDMI de-embedder but need this to be clear for now. Videos are unwatchable because of the static.
[23:08] <[Saint]> The audio was just as awful there too.
[23:09] <[Saint]> Literally nothing changed in this regard from the B to the raspi 2.
[23:09] <Yugnoswam> I saw a lot of posts about that, but a firmware upgrade was released that fixed it.
[23:09] <Yugnoswam> I had the issue for the first week I had the model B too
[23:09] <[Saint]> no - it made it slightly better.
[23:09] <[Saint]> it definitely didn't "fix" it.
[23:10] <Yugnoswam> It removed the static in my set-up./
[23:10] <[Saint]> Any reasonably sensitive audio hardware will pick up the pi's noisey as almighty hell output.
[23:10] <[Saint]> Its just Not That Good(TM).
[23:11] <[Saint]> If you want a clean output, you're going to need an external USB DAC or a stacker board like the Cirrus Logic Audio Card.
[23:11] <Yugnoswam> Or HDMI De-embedder
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[23:12] <Yugnoswam> I can't believe that the board would be shipped with such a plain issue, the output may aswel not be there it's that bad.
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[23:20] <[Saint]> Yugnoswam: ummmm...you seem to be vastly overestimating the stated goals of the project.
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[23:20] <Encrypt> http://controllino.cc/
[23:20] <[Saint]> In no way is it intended to be a high end audio hardware.
[23:20] <Encrypt> I just discovered that
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[23:20] <Encrypt> It must be fun to play with domotics
[23:20] <[Saint]> It has sound. It works. Its Good Enough(TM).
[23:20] <Encrypt> home automation*
[23:20] <Yugnoswam> Clean audio != high end audio.
[23:22] <[Saint]> Well, even still. Its "Good Enough(TM)".
[23:22] <[Saint]> It plays audio.
[23:22] <[Saint]> ...its a $35 board dude...
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[23:23] <[Saint]> One might be tempted to ask what you expected.
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[23:23] <Yugnoswam> I expected it do what my Model B does, just slightly faster.
[23:23] <Yugnoswam> Instead it does it considerably faster but with a static-induced output.
[23:23] <ozzzy_> I figure that for 35 bucks if it boots a recognizable OS it's worth it
[23:24] <[Saint]> As I stated, you likely got lucky.
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[23:24] <[Saint]> The Model B's audio was terrible too.
[23:24] <Stephini> isn't ther ea gpio board for adding higher quality audio to the pi?
[23:24] <ozzzy_> yeah... my B had horrible audio
[23:24] <[Saint]> There is, but this individual doesn't want to pay for it.
[23:25] <[Saint]> Cake; eat it too; etc.
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[23:25] <Yugnoswam> [Saint], I don't want to buy another item for it because I've already purcahsed an audio extractor for the HDMI. As stated above
[23:26] <Yugnoswam> You can keep your cake ;)
[23:26] <Yugnoswam> I only asked if anyone else had had the issue, or if thre was a fix for it.
[23:27] <[Saint]> Well - as stated, this board does what it says on the tin, no more, no less. The audio has always been pretty terribler. It was a lot more terrible on the early boards, the *+ variants made the audio /better/, but, still terrible.
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[23:27] <[Saint]> If you want to clean up the output, you're really going to need a USB/GPIO DAC.
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[23:28] <thescatman> I didn't have one problem with my pi's audio out
[23:28] <Yugnoswam> I don't need a USB/GPIO DAC at all because the HDMI carries perfectly clean audio which I will be able to extract soon.
[23:28] <Yugnoswam> thescatman, I didn't only my model B...
[23:28] <Yugnoswam> on my*
[23:28] <[Saint]> thescatman: you likely had rather insensitive monitors/receiver HW.
[23:29] <nefarious> could somebody who has ZNC running on their pi check the package version?
[23:29] <Stephini> hrm. i'm kinda surprised noone ever made kodi/xbmc for dreamcast.
[23:29] <[Saint]> There's a very distinct noise on even remotely sensitive audio hardware.
[23:29] <nefarious> znc version* (/znc version)
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[23:30] <thescatman> Saint - gotta admit, I haven't used much more than nice headphones or a semi-cheap speaker with it
[23:30] <Yugnoswam> My audio hardware definitely isn't sensitive...
[23:30] <Yugnoswam> I think it's just bad shielding on the board tbh, and because it's cheap the production won't be identical board to board
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[23:31] <[Saint]> If I plugged my UE18 Pro (http://pro.ultimateears.com/ue-18-pro) custom studio monitors into the pi, even the "fixed"/better B+ variant, the noise was /veeeeeeeerrrrrry/ evident.
[23:32] <[Saint]> Same on my home theatre.
[23:32] <Yugnoswam> Well I've had the Pi B, B+, an Arduino and now the Pi2.. Only the Pi2 has given me poor audio output quality
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[23:32] <[Saint]> Thats why I had to end up using what was at the time called the Wolfson Audio Card (now goes by the moniker Cirrus Logig Audio Card).
[23:32] <[Saint]> *logic, even
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[23:37] <nefarious> I can't remember how to fix this http://hastebin.com/amocilonob >.> I definitely have the recommended sources.list
[23:38] <WACOMalt> what is Pin2 (5v) in BMC deffinitions?
[23:38] <nefarious> vaguely remember rpi-updste fixing something last time
[23:39] <WACOMalt> or, does it have a deffinition... being always on?
[23:40] <Cprossu> anybody here a qt5 whiz?
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[23:48] <tacoexe> none of my systems can emerge --sync
[23:48] <tacoexe> wrong channel..
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[23:52] <Cprossu> tacoexe: unless you're running gentoo on a pi :D
[23:52] <Cprossu> just a thought
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[23:55] <tacoexe> Cprossu: soon, soon
[23:55] <AirForce590> Hey, is there anyway I can power a raspberry pi with a lipo
[23:55] <AirForce590> Like, a hat maybe
[23:56] <AirForce590> anyone?
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[23:57] <Sonny_Jim> There's various microUSB battery packs available
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[23:57] <Sonny_Jim> Normal use is for charging mobile phones
[23:57] <dr4ke> Has anyone managed to get OpenCV working on the RPI camera board using Arch Linux ARM?
[23:58] <Yugnoswam> Anker probably make the best/most reliable usb battery packs / portable chargers
[23:58] <AirForce590> Ok thx
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[23:58] <AirForce590> Should I have a separate power supply for motors on the Pi?
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[23:59] <AirForce590> I'm using a servo hat
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[23:59] <thyrth> how do people like Pidora ?

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