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IRC Log for 2015-02-21

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[0:05] <thescatman> I'm sure you guys know about this but I just found a really cool thing called htop
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[0:06] <teknic111> does raspbian have a built in screen saver or just the blank screen thing?
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[0:06] <thescatman> i don't think so
[0:06] <teknic111> any screensaver program i can apt-get?
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[0:07] <thescatman> xscreensaver?
[0:07] <teknic111> i'll give it a shot
[0:08] <thescatman> idk if it will work on the pi
[0:08] <teknic111> we will see
[0:08] <teknic111> its installing now
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[0:14] <teknic111> xscreensaver works!
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[0:15] <teknic111> Thanks
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[0:17] <thescatman> great :D
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[0:56] <McBride36> well i see i didn't miss much
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[0:57] <niston> hmm
[0:57] <niston> I've recently read about an ARM supercomputer by some english university
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[0:58] <niston> cortex A53 or something
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[0:58] <CoJaBo> The term "ARM supercomputer" always amuses me
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[0:59] <niston> it seemed actually quite impressive
[0:59] <niston> but I can't find the link right now
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[1:02] <niston> ah yes
[1:02] <niston> Hartree Center
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[1:03] <niston> http://news.lenovo.com/news+releases/lenovo-and-hartree-centre-advance-energy-efficient-computing.htm
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[1:05] <niston> HPC Cluster with 1152 cores and 12TB of memory
[1:06] <niston> Cavium thunderX SoC, apparently Cortex-A57, not A53
[1:06] <CoJaBo> Does it come with preloaded malware and phishing attacks?
[1:06] <McBride36> you'll have to ask lenovo for that
[1:07] <niston> the whole thing apparently fits in a 19" rack, takes up just 6HU
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[1:09] <thescatman> that's pretty cool
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[1:09] <niston> I can't find any data on power consumption though
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[1:10] <CoJaBo> For some reason, "ARM supercomputer" reminded me of this wonderful quote: It's like the idiom "knock me over with a feather" or the phrase "football stadium filled to the brim with ants".
[1:10] <thescatman> the lack of data is kinda disappointing
[1:10] <thescatman> so true CoJaBo
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[1:10] <niston> I dunno
[1:10] <niston> mebbe ARM will be the new Intel
[1:11] <niston> before we know it
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[1:11] <thescatman> I did wonder how effective a Pi 2 'supercomputer' would be
[1:11] * [Saint] clears his throat
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[1:11] <[Saint]> *ahem*
[1:12] <[Saint]> ....HA!
[1:12] <niston> "cluster" might be a more fitting description than "supercomputer"
[1:12] <[Saint]> That is all.
[1:12] * thescatman clears Saint's throat
[1:12] <niston> but I think it could work for low volume servers
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[1:12] <thescatman> Yeah, that was the word I was looking for niston >_>
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[1:12] <niston> ie cheap and power efficient way to provide redundant infrastructure services
[1:12] <[Saint]> I just saw your prior comment to me thescatman, and, yes - you're not wrong.
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[1:13] <[Saint]> I've lost count of how many "Years of the Linux Desktop" we've supposed to have had already.
[1:13] <niston> problem is, someone needs to find a way to use CSI/DSI or SMI
[1:13] <niston> for arbitrary I/O
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[1:13] <[Saint]> But - yeah - it'll come at the same time as the "Year of the ARM Server"
[1:13] <[Saint]> I'm sure...fingers crossed! :p
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[1:14] <niston> [Saint]: "The truth is out there"
[1:14] <thescatman> pretty much my first python program ever calculated the year of the linux desktop if you input the year
[1:14] <thescatman> lol
[1:15] <[Saint]> I want to BELIEVE!
[1:15] <niston> exactly ;)
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[1:15] <[Saint]> thescatman: how did you avoid race conditions? :-P
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[1:15] <[Saint]> set a loop counter for ~100 iterations and break? ;)
[1:16] <[Saint]> E:YEAROFLINUXDESKTOP is a NULL value; terminating.
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[1:16] <niston> NaN :P
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[1:17] <thescatman> god I don't even want to think about programming at midnight
[1:17] <niston> thescatman: UK?
[1:17] <ShorTie> linux's beginning of time is 1970 i believe
[1:18] <niston> epoch, yeah
[1:18] <thescatman> yeah uk
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[1:18] <[Saint]> I once did some _way_too_late_ coding and my code failed to account for Wednesdays.
[1:18] <[Saint]> That was fun.
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[1:19] <[Saint]> It was especially "fun" that it was critical infrastructure.
[1:19] <niston> heh. why Wednesdays?
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[1:20] <[Saint]> I think I might have the snipped around here somewhere - it was a subroutine that was formatting a date/time string from epoch, and I completely forgot to account for Wednesdays at all.
[1:20] <thescatman> Mondays i'd understand
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[1:20] <niston> yeah xD
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[1:21] <[Saint]> The funniest thing was that I did it all on a Thursday, so it all worked perfectly for six days and then fell over catastrophically.
[1:21] <[Saint]> I lost all of my whats when I went back to debug it.
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[1:23] <thescatman> i've only really started programming a few months ago but wouldn't you sandbox it or something before using it as the main system :/
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[1:24] <niston> testing is overrated xD
[1:24] <ali1234> yeah why not make it use decentralized p2p cryptography as well while you're at it?
[1:24] <niston> hahah xD
[1:24] <ali1234> and then put it on the cloud
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[1:25] <niston> enter the SaaS market!
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[1:25] <niston> hmm
[1:25] <niston> time for some AoE
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[1:37] <steve_rox> yay i sucessfully converted a 7 inch lcd from 12v to 5v again
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[1:40] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351272815655
[1:40] <steve_rox> one them for reference
[1:40] <ring0> did you slap the 12v to calm down to 5v?
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[1:41] <steve_rox> yeah
[1:41] <steve_rox> natively without modification it runs on like 6-12v
[1:42] <steve_rox> now its on usb from a 18650 power source
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[1:48] <steve_rox> draws about 410ma
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[1:50] <Sonny_Jim> Any uber nerds about, I'm trying to compile a program and it's segfaulting in ld-linux-armhf.so.3
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[1:51] <steve_rox> my nerd level does not go that high
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[2:08] <l_r> thescatman, are you there?
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[2:15] <Sonny_Jim> Pwee bap bap bap boo dop
[2:15] <Sonny_Jim> Pwee badadadadaa
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[2:20] <Sonny_Jim> So what's the latest kernel version for a Pi1?
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[2:24] <Tenkawa> Sonny_Jim: I run 3.18.7 on my new pi2
[2:24] <Tenkawa> oh 1
[2:24] <Tenkawa> darn
[2:24] <Tenkawa> sorry.. not sure
[2:25] <ali1234> it's the same kernel version
[2:25] <ali1234> just different compile options
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[2:26] <Sonny_Jim> Linux raspberrypi 3.18.7+ #755 PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:14:31 GMT 2015 armv6l GNU/Linux
[2:26] <Sonny_Jim> Same
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[2:27] <Tenkawa> now time to do some kernel trimming :)
[2:28] <McBride36> Tenkawa, rm rf works wonderfully
[2:29] <Tenkawa> McBride36: haahaa
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[2:35] <Tenkawa> time to trim this kernel majorly
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[2:45] <Tenkawa> Anyone else got to do much with the rpi2 yet?
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[3:10] <willmore> I've got an updated version of my OpenSSL performance comparison updated with rpi2 data: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Vj_dDprH1sOXlYSzJ5SDE3TFE/view?usp=sharing
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[3:22] <TheSov> hello! when I try to install openvpn it shows the install of 2.2.1 according to the community website this version is vulnerable to heartbleed is there a repo where I can get a newer openvpn for the raspi?
[3:23] <plugwash> hmm, I thought heartbleed was an openssl bug
[3:23] <plugwash> and thus fixed by updating openssl
[3:24] <TheSov> oops wrong bug
[3:24] <TheSov> The vulnerability allows a tls-authenticated client to crash the server by sending a too-short control channel packet to the server. In other words this vulnerability is denial of service only.
[3:25] <plugwash> source?
[3:25] <TheSov> https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/SecurityAnnouncement-97597e732b
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[3:26] <shiftplusone> TheSov, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-8104
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[3:27] <TheSov> since raspi is wheezy does that mean its fixed?
[3:28] <shiftplusone> you can always use apt-cache policy to check
[3:28] <TheSov> wheezy, wheezy (security) 2.2.1-8+deb7u3 fixed
[3:29] <plugwash> yep looks like we do indeed have that version
[3:29] <shiftplusone> Too many people seem to panic when they see 'version x is vulnurable to y' without realising that debian patches these things pretty quickly. Always check the debian security tracker.
[3:30] <pandather> Hey guys, what's the reccomended browser for the Pi2 on Arch, it looks like that Raspbian uses a modified version of Epiphany, but does the Arch ARM repo have standard Epiphany or the modified version?
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[3:30] <shiftplusone> standard
[3:30] <TheSov> sorry for the unneccesary panic, I just bought like 20 raspi's for use as VPN of last resorts to remote offices. it would suck if openvpn was vulnerable
[3:30] <shiftplusone> I'd just use chromium
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[3:31] <shiftplusone> Though people are saying firefox is actually lighter than chromium now. I don't believe it
[3:31] <pandather> shiftplusone, it seems that the modded Epiphany has hardware-accelerated video decoding, which would be great
[3:31] <pandather> firefox is fine, but no video decoding
[3:31] <shiftplusone> it's not quite as nice as you'd hope.
[3:32] <pandather> ah, too bad, I'll try to do firefoxs hardware acceleration
[3:32] <shiftplusone> It's all a bit pi-specific, so I don't know how much luck you'll have.
[3:33] <shiftplusone> I've seen people say that html5 stuff should be accelerated, but I doubt it.
[3:33] <pandather> not sure if that will help with anything or not, also, how much RAM should I dedicate to my GPU?
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[3:33] <pandather> right now I have 128MB
[3:33] <shiftplusone> should be plenty
[3:34] <pandather> gotcha, would less run just as well?
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[3:34] <shiftplusone> you may find that if you do stuff that uses the gpu without enough gpu memory, bad things will happen.
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[3:35] <Tenkawa> bah who needs the gpu
[3:35] <Tenkawa> heehee
[3:36] <Tenkawa> although I hope to use the gpu to encode video
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[3:36] <Stephini> so i'm watching a vid, why would the guy in the vid do "CD Ada*" instead of "CD Ada[tabkey]"? is that just a habit thing or is there a reason to do it over the other?
[3:36] <Tenkawa> habit
[3:37] <Tenkawa> some shells dont autocomplete either
[3:37] <Stephini> so it's probably a habit from working with those other shells?
[3:37] <shiftplusone> haven't seen people use wildcards like that.... seems silly
[3:37] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: we use to do that all of the time
[3:37] <Tenkawa> mind you I've been using Unix like os's since the 80's
[3:38] <shiftplusone> hm
[3:38] <Tenkawa> its not the safest way for sure
[3:39] <willmore> Added in a 'normalized by MHz' set of data: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Vj_dDprH1sazhXUnc0TDZvQUU/view?usp=sharing
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[3:41] <shiftplusone> willmore, that's a lot of numbers you've got there O_o
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[3:41] <pandather> Also, any work done on overclocking the Pi2 yet?
[3:42] <shiftplusone> pandather, work? it's the same as it has been with pi 1
[3:43] <pandather> Well wasn't there like a turbo mode and all that?
[3:43] <willmore> I need to add in the other clock speeds for the standard pi to flesh out the table a bit.
[3:43] <shiftplusone> willmore, would be interesting to see raspbian vs debian vs linaro there.
[3:43] <shiftplusone> pandather, all still there.
[3:43] <willmore> shiftplusone, shouldn't matter.
[3:44] <pandather> where at?
[3:44] <willmore> OpenSSL shouldn't be calling the OS for much of that work. Set a timer, do work, wait for timer to go off. Not much OS effect to the 'do work' part. :)
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[3:44] <shiftplusone> willmore, but I suppose it's compiled with different flags.
[3:44] <willmore> I need to get access to a pi2 and make sure the compiled optimally.
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[3:45] <shiftplusone> for example, packages in linaro are ~15% faster than those in debian for whatever reason
[3:45] <willmore> shiftplusone, yeah it could be, but that's probably something that should be fixed if they're not doing it right. ;)
[3:45] <shiftplusone> Oh, you're compiling openssl yourself?
[3:45] <willmore> Not for this test I'm not.
[3:45] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:45] <willmore> I would like to for the pi2 to make sure it's optimal.
[3:45] * willmore does not have a pi2
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[3:46] <shiftplusone> pandather, http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[3:47] <shiftplusone> there's a slight overclocking snafu on the pi 2 where the warranty void bit was set when it shouldn't be. It has been resolved by using a different bit to indicate warranty void on a pi 2
[3:48] <Stephini> if you use the pitft it covers up all of the power ports. but he somehow is GPIOing input buttons. How do you do that with no voltage? Isn't it ground and gpio# for output and voltage and gpio# for input? or am i missunderstanding taht?
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[3:48] <pandather> thanks shiftplusone, so is there anything I need to not do?
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[3:49] <shiftplusone> pandather, don't do this: (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[3:50] <plugwash> shiftplusone, presumablly this means that if you stay with old firmware you can overclock/overvolt to your heart's content without setting the new warranty bit
[3:50] <pandather> hahaha sounds good
[3:50] <shiftplusone> plugwash, hmm.....shhh....
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[3:51] <shiftplusone> It may be a good idea to dig that thread out, because I'm not 100% on the details
[3:51] <shiftplusone> I vaguely seem to recall it having something to do with the pi 2 being over-volted a little by default, but maybe not.
[3:52] <shiftplusone> Stephini, could you re-phrase that?
[3:52] <shiftplusone> without verbing nouns and acronyms.
[3:52] <plugwash> The Pi2 has a higher default voltage than the Pi1 (presumablly to maintain relibaility at the higher default clock). This caused the warranty bit code to trigger in cases where it shouldn't.
[3:53] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:53] <willmore> plugwash, with the old pi code that is?
[3:55] <plugwash> well with the code in early release pi2 stuff
[3:56] <willmore> gotcha.
[3:56] <plugwash> the code has now been updated to fix the logic and use a different bit for "warranty void"
[3:56] <willmore> Hmmm, wonder if I should go get the Dewer filled with LN2 and see just how far down the rabbit hole the Pi2 can go... :)
[3:58] <plugwash> apparently the board layout is such that it's easy to wiremod it to put 1.8V on the core.......
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[3:59] <willmore> Anyone tried LN2 on the pi's yet?
[3:59] * willmore is starting to think this his flakey model B needs to take a bath....
[4:00] <shiftplusone> ln2 being liquid nitrogen?
[4:00] <willmore> Have to find some LN2 around here. Anyone know a good supplier for LN2 in central Indiana?
[4:00] <willmore> shiftplusone, yes.
[4:00] <shiftplusone> I think you run into other issues way before heat becomes a problem
[4:00] <willmore> I picked up a 10L Dewer in college and it's proven to be a very fun toy.
[4:00] <willmore> chips popping off the board, etc. ;)
[4:01] <willmore> Oww, I haven't tried modern high power LEDs in LN2, yet. The last ones I tried were old fashoned 5mm epoxy cased ones. Epoxy makes a horrible thermal transfer material.
[4:02] <willmore> But some of those very old GaP red LEDs were *vastly* more efficient in LN2.
[4:02] <willmore> Okay, I need to stop dreaming about LN2 now....
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[4:03] <abnormal> willmore, at Walmart in green can... yes it is nitrogen...
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[4:06] <willmore> abnormal, where? Pressurized N2 isn't the same.
[4:06] <abnormal> ahh, you want the kind that supplies to vendors?
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[4:08] <willmore> Naw, I need to sneak into the basement of a decent technical college and find a 250L dewer that's unlocked. :)
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[4:08] <abnormal> have to go to a welding supply center, they have lots of it...
[4:08] <willmore> True, but the last time I priced it from one, it was crazy expensive.
[4:09] <willmore> It was $0.40/L when I was in college--which was cheaper than milk. Way more fun than milk.
[4:09] <abnormal> oh yes... it's not easy separating it from atmousphere
[4:09] <thescatman> willmore, I'm shortly going to be doing this http://www.overclock.net/t/1404207/extreme-cooled-raspberry-pi/30
[4:09] <willmore> Well, if you're already doing it to get the O2 and argon, why not do a little more and get the N2? :)
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[4:09] <willmore> thescatman, awesome.
[4:10] <thescatman> I just need to get parts together to solder a baseplate onto a copper pipe
[4:11] <[Saint]> shiftplusone actually pointed out something to me that really made me think about observational bias and the effects of random distribution. - at one stage I had a raspi that was, for whatever reason, _very_ stabvle at extremely high clocks.
[4:11] <[Saint]> However, he pointed out to me that the clocks I was using were _well_ beyond the upper bounds of settable limits.
[4:11] <thescatman> http://www.radioshack.com/component-cooler/6404321.html for US by the way. Far cheaper than an LN2 dewer :|
[4:11] <willmore> thescatman, just get the caps at the hardware store and solder that on.
[4:12] <shiftplusone> [Saint], Another thing I'm not 100% sure of. I was just going off a comment by JamesH which he ends with an 'I think'.... so who knows.
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[4:12] <willmore> [Saint], was anything ever done to verify the clocks--checking to see if certain operations scaled with the supposed clock value?
[4:12] <thescatman> well I only got the pi 2 a couple days ago :/
[4:12] <[Saint]> TL;DR: it'll /say/ that it overclocks that much, and you might even (like I did) get seemingly different measurable and observable results, but, there is a rather firm upper bound for the clock and you sure as hell don't need LN2 to get there.
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[4:13] <willmore> [Saint], stop being reasonable!
[4:13] <thescatman> willmore, judging on the fact he couldn't keep the overclock up for more than a few seconds before thermal shutdown, no
[4:13] <willmore> Ahh, well, then. That answers that.
[4:13] <willmore> *sadpanda*
[4:13] <thescatman> It does seem like he/someone else was able to get a stable 2GHz overclock on refrigerant though
[4:14] <willmore> Did they verify that in some way? Like running a simple NOP loop and timing it externally?
[4:14] <[Saint]> I could keep it up for a while, but as soon as one tried to so any real work with it, boom - thermal limiting, and shutdown within seconds.
[4:14] <[Saint]> It would boot and idle for extended periods, though.
[4:15] <[Saint]> You just couldn;t touch it after the fact without risking it falling over. :)
[4:15] <willmore> Well, I'm not proposing keeping a bath of LN2 around so that I can have an overclocked rPi running 24*7. :)
[4:15] <thescatman> I ended up only getting it stable at around 1.3/1.4 iirc
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[4:15] <willmore> Though, I would put one int he chest freezer in the basement..... I do have that one flat ethernet cable...
[4:15] <thescatman> willmore, http://www.radioshack.com/component-cooler/6404321.html
[4:16] <willmore> Yeah, that stuff is popular.
[4:16] <thescatman> Thinking about it...
[4:16] <willmore> LN2....
[4:16] <[Saint]> freezers are bad news for electronics.
[4:16] <thescatman> What if you were to put some dessicant bags in a tupperware, cut and hot glue up holes for the cables
[4:16] <willmore> [Saint], humidity?
[4:16] <[Saint]> Hit it with a dry power fire extinguisher.
[4:16] <[Saint]> willmore: yep
[4:16] <[Saint]> *dry powder
[4:16] <thescatman> Put the pi in, then you shouldn't have any issues with water...
[4:16] <thescatman> man... don't give me more ideas
[4:17] <willmore> Dry ice is cheap and easy to come by.
[4:17] <willmore> Also, it's dry. :)
[4:17] <thescatman> I've only ever made dry ice
[4:17] <thescatman> that came out crap
[4:17] <thescatman> oor*
[4:17] <thescatman> poorly*
[4:17] <willmore> It's hard to make.
[4:17] <[Saint]> You'd have "fun" cleaning up after the fact, but a dry powder fire extinguisher would be the fastest, cheapest, dryest method of rapid cooling I could think of.
[4:17] <willmore> We did it in HS chemestry with a special CO2 tank and a strange little device.
[4:18] <[Saint]> besides dry ice and a _lot_ of dessicant.
[4:18] <thescatman> awesome
[4:18] <willmore> [Saint], the dry non-powder ones are just bottles of CO2 in liquid form with a drop tube so you get pure liquid CO2. That would work well.
[4:19] <willmore> Blocks of CO2 are cheaper and easier to work with.
[4:19] <[Saint]> Yeah, but I was factoring cost. They're significan't more expensive to buy/fill.
[4:19] * plugwash wonders if it's possible to disable the thermal throttling
[4:19] <willmore> Solves the whole "how do I get a high velocity liquid to hold still for a few seconds?" problem.
[4:19] <WACOMalt> http://imgur.com/larxWZE I've had my Raspberry Pi 2 for two days. I guess you could say we're getting pretty serious.
[4:19] <willmore> Don't.
[4:19] <[Saint]> significan't? lol - what the heck autocomplete - that's in my dictionary...
[4:19] <[Saint]> Dictionary, you can't word.
[4:20] <willmore> I can has language?
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[4:20] <shiftplusone> plugwash, there's temp_limit which you can set higher, but there's probably something else there as well which kicks in at a higher temperature.
[4:20] <WACOMalt> Go home dictionary you're drunk
[4:20] <willmore> For overclocking you don't want to increase the temp limit.
[4:20] <shiftplusone> although they did test them in ridiculously high temperatures, so... there should be a way
[4:20] <WACOMalt> Is there a good UPC / batter with shutdown button solution?
[4:21] <WACOMalt> *battery
[4:21] <willmore> shiftplusone, what mechanism do they use to throttle? clockstop?
[4:21] <thescatman> WACOMalt, And here I am, sitting playing crash bandicoot on it for the last 4 hours
[4:21] <WACOMalt> Haha awesome!
[4:21] * willmore never liked that game on the PS1
[4:21] <thescatman> What.
[4:21] <WACOMalt> Yours sounds more fun
[4:21] <willmore> Then again, I never really liked my PS1.
[4:21] <WACOMalt> Hmm.
[4:22] <shiftplusone> willmore, I have no idea what magic happens inside the chip.
[4:22] <thescatman> Neither did I... but playing back a couple of PS1 games they're actually really fun
[4:22] <WACOMalt> I was an n64 guy,but ps1 had some great games
[4:22] <WACOMalt> Ps2 was amazing
[4:22] <willmore> shiftplusone, I'm just thinking if it simply falls back to a 'known safe' clock value, then they might not have needed to disable the thermal controls.
[4:22] <WACOMalt> So many good games
[4:22] <thescatman> Am having quite a bit of trouble with the N64 and game saves, and performance issues, and glitching....
[4:22] <willmore> I just stopped gaming for a few years.
[4:23] <willmore> Busy working. :)
[4:23] <thescatman> ps1 seems perfect in comparison. also that damn controller is so weirdly mapped
[4:23] <Datalink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDfRCi1UV0 EEVBlog on the U16 Xenon flash sensitivity issue, he's going into it in nice detail, sure the regulars here are familiar with what he's discussing, but good detail
[4:23] <[Saint]> you can do disable_pvt in the config
[4:23] <willmore> Or that.
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[4:23] * willmore likes EEVblog.
[4:24] <[Saint]> that disables measuring the temp from the RAM package and adjusting sampling due to heat stress.
[4:24] <willmore> Not so fond of the publicity director of the foundation. :I
[4:24] <willmore> pvt Power Voltage Temp?
[4:24] <[Saint]> God I hate that guy's voice.
[4:25] <willmore> [Saint], so does my wife. I'm not allowed to listen to him when she's around.
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[4:25] <[Saint]> Hahahahaha snap!
[4:25] <willmore> Or my kids as he swears every once and a while with no warning.
[4:25] <[Saint]> Ms. [Saint] will come over and turn the speakers off on me.
[4:25] <[Saint]> "You've been warned!" she'll say.
[4:25] <thescatman> Is, for example, the overclocking sticky bit, totally impossible to revert? I'm reading about sticky bits atm, doesn't make sense how you can't flip back a bit
[4:25] <willmore> She should hang out with my wife.
[4:26] <shiftplusone> thescatman, they're basically fuses... when it burns, it burns.
[4:26] <thescatman> Ahhh
[4:26] <[Saint]> thescatman: sure it does - efuses, yo.
[4:26] <[Saint]> Ask Google about an efuse.
[4:26] <willmore> If I take a piece of glass and smash it with a brick, why can't I just unsmash it?
[4:26] <thescatman> So it's actually a component. interesting
[4:26] <willmore> Yep.
[4:26] <willmore> Or something as simple as an OTP memory cell.
[4:27] <[Saint]> efuses can be _tiny_ and part of the die package.
[4:27] <willmore> Fuseable link, etc.
[4:27] <[Saint]> If it was a surface mount, it'd defeat the purpose.
[4:27] <willmore> Yep
[4:27] <Datalink> either way it's to make sure the device isn't taken out of known good specs
[4:27] <[Saint]> Well, no, its not.
[4:27] <[Saint]> Its to make sure its known if it _was_.
[4:27] <willmore> Now, if you have an ebeam handy....
[4:27] <[Saint]> Not to prevent one from doing so.
[4:27] <Datalink> [Saint], true, mybad
[4:28] <[Saint]> Just to prevent one from lying about it after the fact.
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[4:28] <Datalink> "why can't Iput the magic blue smoke back in the chip?" "because the chip says you let it out on purpose"
[4:28] <[Saint]> The amount of Qualcomm chips I nuked trying to work around the ARM trust chain and Qualcomm Secure Boot is totally unreal.
[4:29] <[Saint]> At least a couple of dozen.
[4:29] <willmore> [Saint], any joy?
[4:29] <[Saint]> On the upside, Qualcomm 'Secure" Boot is now my little gimp.
[4:29] <willmore> Do tell.
[4:29] <willmore> :)
[4:30] <plugwash> thescatman, it's quite common to see one-time programable stuff that can be programmed one way but not the other
[4:30] <plugwash> either because it's a literal fuse link or because it's a floating gate (like eprom or flash) with no way to discharge it
[4:30] <willmore> You could be very popular over at the cyanogenmod world.
[4:30] <willmore> plugwash, temperature.....
[4:31] <thescatman> I wasn't aware that existed before the overclock sticky bit plugwash
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[4:31] <willmore> Hmmm, [Saint] what mechanism does Broadcom use for their efuses?
[4:32] <[Saint]> I have no idea.
[4:32] <willmore> Darn.
[4:32] <willmore> If it's an OTP EPROM then maybe a little well applied UV would do the trick.
[4:32] <willmore> I happen to have some nice UV sources.....
[4:33] <willmore> Of the 'don't look into with remaining eye' variety
[4:34] <willmore> Is there linux accessable way to read the efuses on a pi?
[4:34] <willmore> Oh, well, things to do another day. Sleep for now.
[4:34] <willmore> Later!
[4:34] <thescatman> is there a way to manually flip an efuse? through the command line or something?
[4:34] <thescatman> terminal* >_>
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[4:35] <WACOMalt> How can I shrink a backed up image to only have, say, 1GB of free space?
[4:35] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, check the shrink_image script on asb's spindle github repo
[4:35] <WACOMalt> ok. will this be a linux script I assume?
[4:36] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[4:36] <WACOMalt> bollocks
[4:36] <shiftplusone> What were you hoping for?
[4:36] <shiftplusone> windows? >=S
[4:36] <Stephini> if you use the pi-tft it covers up all of the power ports. but he somehow is running input buttons to gpio. How do you do that with no voltage? Isn't it ground and gpio# for output and voltage and gpio# for input? or am i misunderstanding that? still has 2 acronyms (tft and gpio but I would assume they are known by everyone here i dont even know what tft stands for just what it means...)
[4:37] <shiftplusone> Stephini, sorry, I know the acronyms, I don't know what you're asking.
[4:37] <WACOMalt> shiftplusone, every linux install I have had eventually boots to a black screen after a month or so of using it. Nvidia drivers I assume but I gave up on linux
[4:37] <WACOMalt> just got tired of constantly having to fix its squeaky wheels
[4:37] <[Saint]> WRT: QSB, on the Snapdragon 400, Its a little bit of a convoluted story, but basically, as with most things, the brute forcing method didn't pay off and a vulnerability in their signature verification was found. As long as we have a valid signature - and thanks to some dedicated leakers - we do, we can pack the our payload with enough offset so that the signature check ends up wrapping over itself and back into itself and get arbitrary execution.
[4:38] <[Saint]> tell it its a signed, secure, original and valid boot image, and it happily agrees.
[4:38] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, run it in a VM. I'm currently running windows, but have a Mint VM, which I use to do all the things.
[4:38] <WACOMalt> I have that too
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[4:38] <WACOMalt> but USB forwardng is iffy
[4:38] <WACOMalt> and has corrupted more than one SD card for me
[4:38] <Stephini> basically i'm confused how he can wire switches to gpio when the tft is plugged in since it covers all of the voltage pins.
[4:38] <shiftplusone> Stephini, who's he? link?
[4:38] <plugwash> does it also cover the ground pins?
[4:38] <Stephini> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKYT6dCrBGc
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[4:39] <[Saint]> its likely not using all those pins and is making use of a GPIO stacker
[4:39] <shiftplusone> aha
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[4:41] <shiftplusone> You can see the schematic here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrEj1aQRbpw#t=758
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[4:41] <WACOMalt> jeez, ben heck is crazy...
[4:41] <WACOMalt> I love him, but he's crazy
[4:42] <plugwash> anyone else here watch colin furze on youtube?
[4:42] * shiftplusone raises hand
[4:43] * plugwash found the "how to build a 60mph mobility scooter" series especially interesting
[4:43] <shiftplusone> heh
[4:44] <Stephini> having no luck finding it in that video with skim but i already watched that video first and didn't see how it was done. maybe i just didnt' understand since i don't know how to read schematics yet.
[4:44] <WACOMalt> oh yes I love colinfurze
[4:44] <WACOMalt> but I so frequently expect him to die while testing his stuff lol
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[4:46] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, yeah... the first time I saw one of hid videos, all I could think was 'what an idiot'
[4:46] <shiftplusone> which gradually became 'that guy's a genius!'
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[4:47] <Stephini> I will say the trick of using the solvent to smooth out and 'shinify' the printed plastic was cool i always just planned to just use spraypaint or sanding to smooth it but that seems simpler and possibly better/more permanent.
[4:48] <shiftplusone> Stephini, I think if you use spray paint that the surface itself wouldn't be smooth
[4:48] <shiftplusone> paint doesn't fill little scratch-like grooves the way you'd expect.
[4:48] <shiftplusone> if anything, it makes them more obvious.
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[4:48] <shiftplusone> so yeah.... acetone
[4:49] <WACOMalt> I just acetone'd a 3d print a few days ago
[4:49] <WACOMalt> a coffee cup I printed
[4:49] <Stephini> shiftplusone, depends on how you apply it. i've changed texture with spraypaint in the past. you apply and squeegy then reapply later once coat one is dry basically.
[4:49] <WACOMalt> needed it sealed
[4:49] * plugwash gets the impression that colin has enough mechanical nouse to make the things a lot safer than they look
[4:49] <shiftplusone> plugwash, he did burn his hand pretty badly....
[4:50] <shiftplusone> Stephini, ah, makes seense.
[4:50] <shiftplusone> *sense
[4:50] <Stephini> what's nouse?
[4:50] <plugwash> anyway it looks to me like ben is just soldering wires onto the top of the pitft to get the connections to the Pi he wants
[4:51] <Stephini> ahh interesting slang.
[4:52] <plugwash> btw am I the only one who finds it annoying when americans pronouce soldering as soddering?
[4:53] <shiftplusone> Only when they 'correct' peoples' spelling of solder >_<
[4:54] <WACOMalt> I say sold erring
[4:54] <[Saint]> "soddering"
[4:54] <WACOMalt> I'm american
[4:54] <Stephini> is it really all different than when some english people ad Hs where they ought not be and drop them when they belong?
[4:54] <WACOMalt> color colour
[4:54] <WACOMalt> whatevs man :P
[4:54] <shiftplusone> Stephini, hm? As in cool hwhip?
[4:55] <Psybur> Anybody know of a counter IC that has about 6-8 pins? 16 pin counters are overkill for this project
[4:56] <Stephini> well that is semi excusable because there is actually an h in that word. but watching bbc i hear lots of words without an h in sight that start with an h becasue they start with a vowel sound. then it's 'ave and 'ow every five lines.
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[4:57] <shiftplusone> heh, I think that's probably a regional thing.
[4:57] <[Saint]> The thing that /really/ bugs the bejeebus out of me is people saying "h" like "hatche"
[4:57] <shiftplusone> I've only been to Cambridge and they seem to talk relatively sensible over there.
[4:57] <Stephini> shiftplusone, i covered my ass with that. i did in fact say "some" english people. :P
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[4:57] <Stephini> [Saint], that bugs me too.
[4:58] <shiftplusone> how else would you say 'h'?
[4:58] <shiftplusone> 'ha'? 'eh'? =P
[4:58] <Stephini> shiftplusone, i'll say it now. Anyone who does not have a distinguishing set of words to differentiate a stick with flaming pitch on it from an electoronic directed handheld light source is not speaking sensibly.
[4:58] <[Saint]> also - people who say .gif as 'jif' with a j, as opposed to 'gif' with a g, as it get.
[4:59] <Stephini> [Saint], i think i read that the creator intended jif.
[4:59] <shiftplusone> Then he should've spelled it right.
[4:59] <Stephini> shiftplusone, H should be pronounced "ay-ch"
[4:59] <thescatman> so true lol
[5:00] <Stephini> shiftplusone, he was avoiding copyright infringement.
[5:00] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: the same mouth sound as the beginning of "eight"
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[5:01] <[Saint]> "h" the letter, if spelled phonetically, would begin eith "ei" in a perfect world in my mind.
[5:01] * shiftplusone doesn't see the difference in 'ay-ch' and 'hatche'...
[5:01] <shiftplusone> I don't think IRC is the best medium for this >_<
[5:01] <[Saint]> *with
[5:02] <steve_rox> havein fun?
[5:02] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: yeah - but - ...'straya, so, everything you say is broken by default anyway. :p
[5:02] <shiftplusone> or by 'hatche' do you mean like 'hHay-ch'
[5:02] <[Saint]> yeah - that.
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[5:03] <[Saint]> ayech?
[5:03] <shiftplusone> It's a bit worse in my case. I only moved to Australia when I was 10, so I have an Australian accent on top of a Eastern European accent, which nobody can pin (they guess Finland or something silly like that). God know what will happen when I've lived in the UK for a while >_<
[5:03] <[Saint]> Heh.
[5:03] <Stephini> ay? that's an all vowel sound. hatche is a consenant sound lead.
[5:04] <thescatman> just don't live in somewhere like blackpool and you'll be ok
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[5:04] <thescatman> anything that ends in pool seems to have a terrible accent
[5:04] <[Saint]> Both Australians and New Zealands think I'm a Briton, because I bother to annunciate and prefer not to use local colloquialisms.
[5:04] <shiftplusone> explains the people at the swimming pool
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[5:05] <Stephini> none of you non americans remotely tried to defend torch. :P i like that.
[5:06] <[Saint]> WHich is odd, because I definitely don't have a British accent. Not even close. I just bother to properly annunciate my words, and I have a fairly old world vocabulary, and I like to use a wide and varied array from said vocabulary.
[5:06] <shiftplusone> Stephini, I got that you were talking about torches, but no idea what you meant.
[5:06] <thescatman> I don't see an issue with torch
[5:06] <WACOMalt> shiftplusone, what was that repo you recommended to find that shrink image script?
[5:06] <WACOMalt> I lost my scrollback
[5:06] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, asb/spindle
[5:06] <[Saint]> So, people automatically think I'm a poncie Brit.
[5:06] <plugwash> Stephini, though I remember at least one american company released a product which they called "the torch"
[5:07] <thescatman> [Saint], enunciate*
[5:07] <Stephini> shiftplusone, if you walk into a powdershed and your buddy is holding one of each kind of torch and you ask him for a torch you better hope he knows it's a powdershed. that's my point.
[5:07] <shiftplusone> Stephini, I guess you'd say flashlight?
[5:07] <plugwash> which was an amusing name referencing both the british meaning of torch to mean what americans call flashlights and also referencing the fact it could actually st things on fire
[5:08] <[Saint]> thescatman: both are acceptable in the context
[5:08] <Stephini> i've never heard an ausie/nzer/brit say flashlight though.
[5:08] <thescatman> Americans do seem to make really ridiculous spelling differences / words made up so they are simpler it seems
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[5:08] <shiftplusone> See, outside of America, we've moved onto a century where we don't use torches any more, so there's no confusion. =P
[5:08] <thescatman> that's because it's a torch, not a flashlight :/
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[5:09] <[Saint]> Its clearly a flashlight. I'll also accept "assistive light". :p
[5:09] <[Saint]> Real "torces" don't exist anymore.
[5:09] <Stephini> shiftplusone, so your telling me that you can not fathom a situation where you might use a torch either IRL or in a game? perhaps a survival simulation where you need to conserve batteries for instance.
[5:09] <plugwash> http://www.wickedlasers.com/torch
[5:10] <shiftplusone> can we just call them flamey light-stick and non-flamey light-stick ?
[5:10] <[Saint]> We've got PWM'ed Xenon/LED flashes on our phones now.
[5:10] <[Saint]> And Android calls it a flashlight. :p
[5:10] <clever> Stephini: i have had to light some candles just a few days ago, power was out and i couldnt find the flashlight
[5:10] <clever> and it was a pain to wave the laptop about to light up the room, lol
[5:10] <Stephini> shiftplusone, that made me chuckle. :P
[5:10] <thescatman> that's because the vast majority of software that's written for english, is american english instead of Real english
[5:11] <steve_rox> american english is not real?
[5:11] <abnormal> no
[5:11] <steve_rox> does that mean i have to learn another english language?
[5:11] <[Saint]> At Rockbox, we use the One True English - En-UK
[5:11] <Stephini> thescatman, isn't there ussually a setting either in the menus or through localization to switch to UK english?
[5:11] <thescatman> rarely Stephini
[5:12] <thescatman> i'd say < 10% of stuff
[5:12] <Stephini> i see it in most all programs i use.
[5:12] <[Saint]> I'm not sure what software you're using then...
[5:12] <thescatman> really?
[5:12] <shiftplusone> http://i.imgur.com/kn488mY.jpg
[5:12] <[Saint]> Most of the software I use had American English, Australian English, New Zealand English, ...etc.
[5:12] <thescatman> LOL
[5:13] <Stephini> if they don't have an option in their menus configs over half the software i use is OS so they generally have localization support.
[5:13] <abnormal> I clicked next and it don't work
[5:13] <plugwash> shiftplusone, do you know if that's real or a photoshop?
[5:13] <thescatman> ^
[5:13] <shiftplusone> No idea. Probably photoshop.
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[5:13] <Stephini> it's shopped.
[5:13] <[Saint]> Nah - its a thing.
[5:14] <Stephini> i installed before and never chuckled like i just did
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[5:14] <[Saint]> It did go live, but I don't believe its /still/ a thing. I believe, like Google, they were just having a play.
[5:15] <thescatman> yeah i'd reckon the majority of stuff that supports uk english is just OSs
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[5:15] <[Saint]> No one balks at Google when they do similar tongue in cheek things.
[5:15] <steve_rox> so yea i managed to convert this 7 inch composite lcd to 5vusb :-)
[5:15] <Stephini> thescatman, when i said OS i meant open source.
[5:15] <shiftplusone> What's the difference between UK English, AUS English and NZ English anyway? =S
[5:16] <thescatman> slight spelling issues, and a few words that don't exist in each i think
[5:16] <shiftplusone> As if there's software where any of that would come up O_o
[5:16] <thescatman> I wonder if they have -english name for meatballs- in australia/nz
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[5:19] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: subtle differences, when the selection between En-AU and En-NZ is offered, for instance, it is pretty much exclusively user dictionary based. /Most/ of our spellings are the same.
[5:19] <[Saint]> As in, the words offered in said (say, autocompletion) dictionary.
[5:20] <thescatman> [Saint], are you AUS?
[5:20] <[Saint]> We, here, would have _no_ idea what an esky is, for instance. Or a bubbler. Shrimp, vs. prawn, etc.
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[5:21] <[Saint]> Crayfish (freshwater) vs. yabbie.
[5:21] <[Saint]> thescatman: dear lord no - I'm not one of those mothbreathing heathens!
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[5:21] <thescatman> ah, nz
[5:21] <[Saint]> *mouthbreathing
[5:21] <thescatman> a kiwi
[5:22] <[Saint]> Damn straight! ;)
[5:22] <thescatman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29 does this exist in nz?
[5:22] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: the same as you'd have little to no idea what I was doing if I told you that I was "off to the dairy"
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[5:23] <[Saint]> Nope.
[5:23] <shiftplusone> Sounds cow-related >.>
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[5:26] <thescatman> like cockney slang
[5:26] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: functionally equivalent to a "deli"/"corner store" in En-AU
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[5:27] <shiftplusone> Ah, I had a feeling, since we call them milk bars as well
[5:27] <Stephini> is molding the best way to make something like the rubber start and select buttons on an nes controller?
[5:28] <steve_rox> whats that mean
[5:28] <shiftplusone> Stephini, yeah, I've seen people do interesting things that way
[5:29] <ali1234> you pretty much have to, i mean you can sand or file rubber
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[5:29] <ali1234> can't*
[5:29] <Stephini> bummer was hoping maybe there was a filamint for 3d printers that could produce rubber buttons. :P
[5:29] <shiftplusone> Stephini, there is that too
[5:29] <shiftplusone> like ninjaflex
[5:29] * plugwash saw some interesting youtube videos on making rubber parts by cryogenic machining
[5:30] <WACOMalt> good lord. Installing linux mint into a VM. installer crashed.
[5:30] <WACOMalt> my Linux fu is terrible apparently
[5:30] <ali1234> 99% of the stuff people make with a 3D printer can be made far easier with epoxy putty
[5:30] <[Saint]> There's some spelling differences, too.
[5:30] <shiftplusone> Still on about that? We've moved onto rubber buttons!
[5:31] <[Saint]> You guys can spelly "the round, black, rubber things motor vehicles have" as either tire or tyre interchangeably.
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[5:31] <Stephini> ali1234, you think functional and precise LEGO-like but distinctly not LEGO bricks could be made with epoxy putty?
[5:31] <[Saint]> *spell
[5:31] <ali1234> Stephini: i've actually done that
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[5:32] <ali1234> well, tried
[5:32] <ali1234> the thing about lego is it has crazy tolerances
[5:32] <shiftplusone> plugwash, was that a video by applied science?
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[5:32] <[Saint]> *aperture science
[5:32] <Datalink> I suck with epoxy... but great in CAD, I'll let the machine make up for my deficiency
[5:32] <Stephini> i somehow doubt that you could make mm acurate legos where you could build a 1,000,000 piece structure and have it present without evident flaws in brick geometry.
[5:32] <plugwash> shiftplusone, can't remember
[5:32] <ali1234> your typical makerbot cannot print lego pieces that actually work
[5:32] <ali1234> lego has 0.1mm tolerances
[5:32] <shiftplusone> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yvcizt83DA
[5:33] <Datalink> Lego engineering precision is some of the highest in the plastics industry
[5:33] <thescatman> quite a lot of lego's been 3d printed
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[5:33] <plugwash> shiftplusone, yeah that's the one
[5:33] <shiftplusone> cool
[5:33] <ali1234> thescatman: yes on VERY expensive machines
[5:33] <ali1234> not hobby grade stuff
[5:33] <shiftplusone> that guy is a wizard... always seems to take things back to first principles.
[5:34] <ali1234> so my actual trick for making lego pieces is as follows:
[5:34] <ali1234> you build the opposite shape to what you want using legos
[5:34] <ali1234> then you pour PVA glue into the hole
[5:34] <ali1234> wait about a month for it to set
[5:34] <Stephini> that's odd. i was on a forum where people were pringing legos that work with their real set and even connect to erector set and linkin log. they were using repraps but i assumed reprap was maybe about as good if not worse than the profesional makerbot.
[5:34] <ali1234> you'll get a very squidgy hollow lego shape, which you then fill with epoxy
[5:34] <Datalink> Maker
[5:35] <Datalink> er, sorry, wrong key, MakerBot is a fork of RepRap, or was originally
[5:35] <Stephini> k so then repraps would be as good aproximatly then. no?
[5:36] <Datalink> depends on the parts used, the machine calibration, and code tweaks, I'd imagine
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[5:37] <Stephini> dagnabit i sayd "legos" i was doing so good. atleast a year using the proper company approved spelling and capitalization and pluralization. >.<
[5:37] <Stephini> s/sayd/said don't know what happend there.
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[6:37] <Stephini> wow. just glued in the mounting panel for my RPi. screwed the pi on to it and realized that there wasn't enough room for the usb cord running to the powered USB hub. i know i can get a super low profile cat5/rj45. does anyone know of a good solution for a low profile usb-usbmini?
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[6:54] <seitensei> Stephini: could try making your own
[6:54] <seitensei> or modifying an existing cable
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[7:03] <WACOMalt> that shrink img script didnt work :/
[7:03] <WACOMalt> couldnt find valid root superblock or somesuch
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[7:05] <Stephini_> last thing i got was seitensei saying i could modify a cable. was that all that was said to me? also is there a way to auto join this channel in hexchat?
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[7:07] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, I meant use it as a reference on how to do it yourself
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[7:07] <shiftplusone> there's an extra flag you need to pass or remove from the part where it runs parted.... or something like that.
[7:07] <shiftplusone> I think it's to do with units... in any case. Understand the script first.
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[7:08] <WACOMalt> that's not gonna happen anytime this week. this is already waaaay over my head
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[7:11] <shiftplusone> the rough steps are, shrink the partition, adjust the partition table, snip the end off the file.
[7:12] <seitensei> Stephini_: Yeah, you should be able to set it up to autojoin with Hexchat
[7:12] <seitensei> I don't remember how off the top of my head, since I use Quassel now
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[7:12] <Psybur> ~ali1234++
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[7:12] <Psybur> No karma bot?
[7:12] <shiftplusone> you can auto-join but if you use nickserv, you'll have trouble when hexchat tries to join before you're identified
[7:13] <shiftplusone> so specify the server password to ensure you're instantly identified.
[7:13] <Psybur> I remember you recommended nrf24. Its been working out pretty well. Thought you deserved some karma :P
[7:14] <Stephini_> seitensei, i have several other channels on autojoin but because #raspberrypi requires auth before joining it breaks the autojoin i have. i'm thinking i need to write a script for it.
[7:14] <seitensei> Stephini_: Try using SASL
[7:14] <Stephini_> SASL?
[7:14] <Stephini_> shiftplusone, I actually have the server password put in but apparently there is a delay between NS giving me auth and the join command being issued.
[7:14] <shiftplusone> again, server password is the simplest approach
[7:15] <shiftplusone> hm
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[7:15] <shiftplusone> odd
[7:15] <seitensei> hexchat should have SASL support
[7:15] <seitensei> https://freenode.net/sasl/
[7:15] <shiftplusone> then yeah, sasl... though that sounds odd
[7:15] <seitensei> https://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-hexchat.shtml <- specifically hexchat
[7:16] <Stephini_> would i put that in as the prefered server for freenode or something?
[7:16] <seitensei> No
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[7:16] <shiftplusone> XD
[7:16] <seitensei> Check the second link ^^
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[7:16] <WACOMalt> There we go. shrunk it with gparted
[7:17] <WACOMalt> mounted as a loop, shrunk, truncate to end block * block size
[7:17] <Stephini_> ahh need a script
[7:17] <shiftplusone> WACOMalt, yeah... that's what a quitter would do. =P
[7:17] <WACOMalt> psh shushup :P
[7:17] <WACOMalt> I havent actually TESTED this image of course
[7:17] <WACOMalt> still waiting on a copy
[7:17] <WACOMalt> USB2 is slooooow
[7:17] <WACOMalt> hope virtualbox can forward 3 soon
[7:17] <shiftplusone> as long as you don't snip off a part of the actual filesystem, you should be fine.
[7:18] <WACOMalt> good
[7:18] <WACOMalt> I wish there were a way with Win32DiskImager to automatically snip to the end of the last partition
[7:18] <WACOMalt> of course I guess that wouldnt help if I've already expanded filesystem
[7:18] <shiftplusone> yup
[7:18] <shiftplusone> and windows is too stupid to be able to shrink an extfs
[7:18] <seitensei> Stephini_: shouldn't require a script, SASL should be built in on HexChat
[7:19] <seitensei> you might need to update it though
[7:19] <shiftplusone> (probably.... haven't tried)
[7:19] <WACOMalt> shiftplusone, actually...
[7:19] <WACOMalt> MiniTool on windows can do it
[7:19] <WACOMalt> and I just found OSFMount and Paragon ExtFS for windows
[7:19] <shiftplusone> orly?
[7:19] <Stephini_> hrm i figured since xchat has a script and hexchat is a fork of xchat that it'd need the same script.
[7:19] <shiftplusone> nice
[7:19] <WACOMalt> to mount the img and use it
[7:19] <WACOMalt> soo Ima try that next
[7:19] <WACOMalt> but I bet its messy and would break
[7:20] <WACOMalt> are flash drives safer than SD cards as far as power outages?
[7:20] <seitensei> Stephini_: If you check the second link I posted, it tells you exactly how to setup SASL
[7:20] <seitensei> For HexChat in particular
[7:20] <seitensei> https://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-hexchat.shtml
[7:20] <Stephini_> oh der. i read that and thought it was sasl-raspberrypi.shtml :P i thought it was a command i issue to the server. der
[7:21] <shiftplusone> ah, it's a paid thing
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[7:21] <shiftplusone> as if they're resizing an ext partition without using GPL'ed code O_o
[7:22] <Stephini_> ok got it. will that autoghost clones too?
[7:22] <WACOMalt> yay hexchat
[7:22] <WACOMalt> my fav irc program
[7:22] <shiftplusone> +1
[7:23] <Stephini_> i'm just glad there is finally an upkept opensource irc client for windows.
[7:23] <shiftplusone> Before somebody says irssi... shh!
[7:24] <Stephini_> irssi would be fine if i was a vimaholic. but i'm a person who can appreciate improvements in technology and doesn't wear nostolgia goggles 24/7
[7:24] <Stephini_> also i doubt irssi has a windows port and even if it did prolly wouldn't run well.
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[7:32] <shiftplusone> apt-file search avr/interrupt.h
[7:32] <shiftplusone> er, sorry.
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[7:34] <shiftplusone> ...but if anyone is wondering.... avr-libc >.>
[7:34] <Stephini_> lolz so i'm not the only one who accidentally sends commands into irc from time to time?
[7:34] <shiftplusone> I've cut down on it a lot >.>
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[7:39] <McBride36> i've typed my password in about 6 different times on irc
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[7:40] <Stephini_> eep hope it isn't one of your important passwords
[7:41] <McBride36> nah, just all my nickserv passwords
[7:41] <Stephini_> lolz that's a good thing about auto auth.
[7:42] <McBride36> i am on a vnc, i am usually auth but when the server disconnects or the vnc goes down i have to identify again
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[7:47] <clever> McBride36: the linux vnc viewer can take a passwordfile argument
[7:47] <Triffid_Hunter> Stephini_: what about kvirc? last time I tried hexchat, I felt like I was back in 1995.. kvirc has modern features though, and works on all major platforms
[7:47] <clever> and you can create one with vncpasswd
[7:47] <clever> that lets you save the passwords in a semi-secure manner
[7:48] <McBride36> windows
[7:48] <McBride36> heh
[7:48] <McBride36> it's really not a hassle
[7:48] <clever> theres your problem! :P
[7:48] <McBride36> haha
[7:48] <McBride36> i've got a dual boot kubutu set up
[7:48] <McBride36> i just use windows when i game
[7:48] <clever> so when i typed, it went to an app i couldnt even see
[7:48] <clever> ive had windows open on top, which didnt have focus before
[7:49] <Triffid_Hunter> I run all my IRC connections through a znc bouncer on my server.. saves me re-authing all the time and also lets me see anything I missed while disconnected. furthermore I can log in from multiple computers under the same nickname
[7:49] <clever> i just run a CLI irc client on a linux system downstairs, under screen
[7:50] <clever> then i ssh in and use that
[7:50] <McBride36> weechat?
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[7:50] <clever> irssi
[7:50] <McBride36> ah
[7:50] <clever> main bonus of my method, the windows are laid out exactly how i left them, even scrollback
[7:50] <clever> and i can type half a sentence on one system, then hit paste on another to finish it with a link
[7:50] <shiftplusone> znc seems to lose stuff if my connection drops. All the chat that happens between the time my connection drops and I'm pinged out is played back =/
[7:51] <shiftplusone> *isn't
[7:51] <McBride36> i get a small buffer scrollback
[7:51] <McBride36> that's about it
[7:51] <clever> those buffers dont have the right timestamps though
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[7:51] <clever> and its more of a hack, the znc dumping everything all at once
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[7:54] <Stephini_> Triffid_Hunter, so something from 2011 with an obsession on visual flair is better than a stable expandable visually simple program that has been updated in the last year? aesthetically simple is generally better than flashy.
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[7:56] <Stephini_> nvm the visual flair thing. i was seing the code screen in the thumbnail. actually magnifying the thumbnail kvirc looks way old.
[7:57] <McBride36> what linux distro would y'all recommend for someone someone comfortable in linux?
[7:58] <shiftplusone> raspbian and/or arch
[8:00] <McBride36> lolol arch is fun to install /s
[8:01] <shiftplusone> Jeebus.... a 67.4MB .deb file
[8:01] <shiftplusone> for a text editor
[8:01] <anunnaki> if you like installing arch then try Gentoo.. thats more fun
[8:02] * shiftplusone takes 5 points off the node.js crowd.
[8:03] <McBride36> never messed with gentoo
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[8:36] <clever> McBride36: if you want something really fun, have a look at 'linux from scratch'
[8:36] <clever> its basicaly a book and a heap of .tar.gz files
[8:36] <shiftplusone> and patches.... lots of patches
[8:36] <shiftplusone> some of it even works like the book says
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[8:37] <clever> i ran LFS on a 200mhz desktop, and used it as a router for years
[8:37] <clever> though i only had dsl at the time, 600kbyte/sec ate ~70% of the cpu power
[8:37] <McBride36> lol still on DSL
[8:38] <clever> my new fiber does 10,000kbyte/sec
[8:38] <McBride36> :(
[8:38] <shiftplusone> I've only worked through LFS once, many many years back. Wouldn't do it again.... but it's certainly a good right of passage.
[8:38] <clever> the poor old 200mhz wouldnt be able to keep up with that :P
[8:38] <shiftplusone> *rite
[8:38] <clever> shiftplusone: i was doing it on a failing harddrive
[8:38] <shiftplusone> you madman
[8:38] <clever> new bad sectors kept popping up and forcing me to start over :P
[8:38] <clever> yeah
[8:39] <clever> i did do several badblock scans to try and find them all, but i didnt know much back then
[8:39] <clever> thats how you learn :P
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[8:39] <clever> i have since discovered, something was horibly wrong with that gateway laptop
[8:39] <clever> it eats harddrives
[8:40] <clever> i initialy suspected that the new >1gig drives where just crappy
[8:40] <clever> one day i grabbed a 300mhz drive with win 3.11 still on it, stuck it in the gateway, within a week, bad sectors
[8:40] <clever> 300mb
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[8:45] <Stephini_> is there a reason that HDMI cords don't have a perportional growth of price and length? I mean for 5 bucks you can get a 6 foot but going beyond that say you go to 12 foot it's already 20 bucks. that's 4x the cost for 2x the length. most cables in my experience are priced pretty liniarly by foot.
[8:45] <clever> because some vendors claim that their cable gives better audio or picture, lets charge more!!
[8:46] <clever> its digital, it will either be perfect, or it will be horid :P
[8:46] <clever> no middle ground
[8:46] <Stephini_> but i see the trend i described from within a single vendor.
[8:46] <clever> not sure why they might do that
[8:47] <shiftplusone> Stephini_, if you (as an individual) went out and sourced all the raw materials, set up manufacturing and started making cables... do you think it would cost you twice as much to make cables twice as long?
[8:47] <shiftplusone> (once you add up all the costs associated with making the cables)
[8:47] <shiftplusone> I think you'll find that the materials are only a tiny portions of the overall cost
[8:48] <shiftplusone> Plus the cheap ones really skim on the copper.
[8:48] <Stephini_> shiftplusone, in my experience it should actually cost a bit less. fewer jacks needed per foot, more bulk purchase per foot and the same machine can braid and shieth both langths with a small change in timing.
[8:49] <shiftplusone> oh... I fail at reading
[8:49] <Stephini_> again i'm looking at a single vendor. wherein quality should be the same between the 6 and 12.
[8:49] <shiftplusone> I thought you were asking why the costs DON'T change with things like USB cables much
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[8:50] <clever> any progress with SMI?
[8:50] <shiftplusone> In that case, because people are willing to pay more for longer cables.
[8:50] <shiftplusone> clever, nope. I was sent some work-related work to do, heh.
[8:50] <clever> heh
[8:51] <Stephini_> i'm happy to pay more for the cables by length but only in a linier fashion unless extra length actually is harder to work with (like in fiber where to much length if not cared for right can break easily.)
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[8:51] <Stephini_> i'm wondering if HDMI is really any different than USB or if i could buy a bunch of 6 footers and splice and heatshrink them to make longer cables.
[8:52] <shiftplusone> A decent HDMI cable should be pretty well shielded
[8:53] <Stephini_> so then it wouldn't work unless i have some way to shield my splices then?
[8:53] <clever> Stephini_: HDMI has no error correction or even error detection
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[8:53] <clever> so if a bit does get corrupted, that pixel will just be a different color
[8:54] <clever> depending on what power of 2 the bit lands on, it may or may not be visible
[8:54] <clever> and the chance of error says how many pixels get messed up
[8:54] <clever> encryption has no real impact on that either
[8:54] <qubitnerd> similar pricing for hard disk and ssd's
[8:54] <clever> so if you hack it together with wet string, you may still get an image
[8:54] <clever> but half the pixels may be off
[8:54] <qubitnerd> x for 500gb ... >2x for 1tb
[8:55] <qubitnerd> although one cant just compare it to cables
[8:55] <shiftplusone> Stephini_, give it a go and report back... I haven't tried splicing an HMDI cable.
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[8:56] <Stephini_> qubitnerd, that is what i WANT hdmi to be. but hdmi is [x$ for yfeet] [x4$ for y2feet]
[8:57] <shiftplusone> In theory, copper is copper, but I have no idea how they're paired inside or how well they need to be shielded.
[8:58] <qubitnerd> Stephini_: if it makes you feel better the logarithm of the price increaes linearly :P
[8:58] <shiftplusone> >_<
[8:58] <Stephini_> are you sure? when i did it it was a growing curve not a slant.
[9:01] <Stephini_> lolz ben heck restored one of the alemaguarto atari carts. :P
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[9:04] <Stephini_> hey do ya'll know if there is a way if you don't own the mount to keep a dremmel with a router bit from jumping?
[9:07] <mortal> dremel you mean?
[9:07] <Stephini_> i guess. i dont know how to spell it. :P
[9:08] <shiftplusone> Stephini_, hmm, theory... a longer cable will have a higher resistance, which you need to compensate for by having a bigger area. Doubling the area will halve the resistance. However, you'd use 4x the copper.... No? I tried.
[9:08] <Stephini_> that's possible. although that would result in a thicker cable. no?
[9:09] <shiftplusone> actually, it's more than 4x... it's 8x, since the length doubled as well
[9:09] <shiftplusone> But yeah, I'm sure they use the same diameter conductors for all lengths anyway
[9:10] <qubitnerd> yeah .. theyd be far thicker than when resistance becomes a problem
[9:10] <Stephini_> ... why would ben heck modify a sata cable instead of just swapping it out for a longer one?
[9:15] <McBride36> later folks
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[11:38] <geosmin> is the raspberry pi able to handle encrypted storage?
[11:39] <shiftplusone> yes*
[11:41] <geosmin> i'm trying to mount an encrypted drive using cryptsetup -open, but CPU has been hanging at 100% for a good 5 minutes now
[11:41] <geosmin> here's the command i used to encrypt the drive a while ago:
[11:41] <geosmin> cryptsetup -v --cipher aes-xts-plain64 --key-size 512 --hash sha512 --iter-time 5000 --use-random luksFormat <device>
[11:41] <shiftplusone> how big is the drive?
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[11:42] <shiftplusone> Don't know if that matters if you're just mounting it though
[11:42] <geosmin> 500GB
[11:43] <geosmin> not even mounting, just opening
[11:43] <shiftplusone> but yeah, that's why I put the * in there. Yes, in theory, there's nothing preventing it from working. The transfer speeds and cpu usage you'll get in a realistic setting... well, that's another matter.
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[11:43] <ShorTie> did you encrypt it on the pi or some other pc ??
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[11:43] <geosmin> ShorTie: some other pc
[11:43] <geosmin> mounts fine and instantly on my laptop
[11:43] * ShorTie wondering if he needs some kind of key file copied over
[11:44] <geosmin> not using a key file
[11:44] <geosmin> pretty sure cryptsetup would spit out an error if that was the case
[11:44] <ShorTie> sorry, that was just a general term like
[11:44] <geosmin> it asks me for the drive's LUKS password, i give it, press enter, hangs. 100% CPU
[11:44] <pksato> have a disk activity?
[11:45] <geosmin> oh wow, okay. it mounted.
[11:45] <geosmin> only took 5-10 minutes...
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[11:47] <geosmin> yikes
[11:47] * geosmin ponders raspberry pi 2
[11:48] <shiftplusone> full disk encryption is just not practical here
[11:48] <geosmin> i see that now
[11:48] * ShorTie thinkz, pi's aren't super computers, more like learning toy
[11:48] <geosmin> though this isn't full disk encryption
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[11:49] <geosmin> 8MB/s write speed... not /bad/
[11:49] <geosmin> especially not through USB
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[11:51] <shiftplusone> O_o
[11:52] <shiftplusone> better than some people are able to get without encryption
[11:56] <shiftplusone> hm, or not
[11:56] <shiftplusone> 2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 71.682 s, 30.0 MB/s
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[12:20] <tonic> anybody know what's the problem when I try to flash an image to a microsd card but win32diskimager ends up with error 1117 every time (and not even at the same percentage point)
[12:21] <tonic> the sd card is a new kingston one (16gb class 10), and I've tried to re-partition & re-format (non-quick) it, or read an image from whole card, and there doesn't seem to be any problem with it that way... just can't write an OS image to the card with it
[12:22] <tonic> and using same computer I have earlier written successfully images to a normal sd card..
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[12:22] <tonic> (sorry if this feels off-topic for you, but I'm trying to do this to write an image for using Raspberry Pi 2 ... :)
[12:22] <ShorTie> what cha formatting it with ??
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[12:23] <tonic> ShorTie, after the image writing initially failed, I tried to re-partition & reformat it using windows DISKPART
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[12:24] <ShorTie> don't know what DISKPART is, i'd use SDFormatter/option/adjust size
[12:25] <ShorTie> and no need to partition it, the image will do that for ya
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[12:25] <tonic> yes
[12:26] <tonic> it's just the problem that the image writing fails :/
[12:26] <tonic> it does get the partitioning right though -- that is, I see some small partition there which seems to have right contents etc..
[12:26] <ShorTie> yes what ??
[12:26] <tonic> but the writing process always ends up with that error 1117 (I/O error)
[12:27] <shiftplusone> tonic, you've got a hardware issue
[12:27] <tonic> any idea what could be problem with that.
[12:27] <tonic> is this something I could fix by buying an usb-sdcard adapter?
[12:27] <shiftplusone> either with the reader/writer or the card itself
[12:27] <ShorTie> maybe try 'Flash Drive Tester v1.14" on it
[12:27] <shiftplusone> that's what I would try
[12:27] <shiftplusone> (buy a new reader)
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[12:28] <ShorTie> is the reader built in or a usb thingy ??
[12:28] <tonic> okay.. this is a somewhat old lenovo thinkpad laptop, the only comp I can currently write sd cards with
[12:28] <pksato> format SD a normal use, make a normal copy some big file, like image. if get a error, have falt hw (card or reader)
[12:28] <tonic> built-in
[12:28] <ShorTie> ya, splurge for a usb thingy
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[12:30] <tonic> pksato & ShorTie, will try both. :)
[12:31] <ShorTie> lots od built in's cause problemo's
[12:32] <ShorTie> think that it might be they where built before the class of sdcard is
[12:32] <tonic> I wonder if it's about the card size or just some general incompatibility
[12:32] <ShorTie> s/od/of/
[12:32] <tonic> hum, that's a good point
[12:36] * ShorTie thinkz, sure glad mirrordirector.raspbian.org is nice and doesn't ban peeps for abuse, lol.
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[12:49] <geosmin> is nfs suitable for streaming media?
[12:49] <clever> i use nfs to stream video files all the time
[12:50] <geosmin> clever: good to know, thanks.
[12:50] <clever> only reason i ever use samba is when dealing with windows based clients
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[12:54] <pksato> NFS have little bit overhead if used UDP (defult).
[12:55] <pksato> ah?
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[12:55] <clever> nfs has both tcp and udp modes
[12:56] <geosmin> huh, i think i might have shorted my rpi GPIO pins
[12:56] <clever> only real issue i have with nfs is when i set hard mode by mistake, and then shutting down a remote box hard-locks up any process touching the mount
[12:56] <geosmin> was moving things around, passed a hard drive over the PI, heard a sound, saw smoke
[12:56] <geosmin> seems to work fine...
[12:56] <geosmin> can GPIO pins short? i never actually used them
[12:56] <clever> uh oh
[12:57] <geosmin> thing is i have an electronic cigarette
[12:57] <clever> there is no protection on the pins
[12:57] <geosmin> the sound could have been whining while i moved the HDD
[12:57] <geosmin> the smoke could have been from my electronic cigarette...
[12:58] <geosmin> so i guess my question is, is smoke a plausible outcome of shorting GPIOs?
[12:58] <pksato> yes.
[12:58] <clever> depends a lot on which pins you short out
[12:58] <geosmin> ....all of them? :D
[12:58] <geosmin> the drive passed flush over all the pins
[12:58] <pksato> but, RPi still working? no hangs? no reboot? no off?
[12:58] <clever> 5v to gnd would probly smoke traces if the fuse doesnt do its job
[12:58] <clever> 3.3v to gnd may smoke the regulator
[12:58] <geosmin> nope, nada
[12:59] <geosmin> A-Ok
[12:59] <geosmin> still..........magic smoke
[12:59] <clever> very magic, lol
[12:59] <geosmin> idr
[12:59] <clever> maybe you spoked the hdd?
[12:59] <geosmin> ikr*
[12:59] <clever> smoked*
[12:59] <geosmin> oh...
[12:59] <geosmin> hmm
[12:59] <geosmin> well
[12:59] <geosmin> the HDD works fine too...
[12:59] <pksato> cover you rpi. :)
[12:59] <geosmin> i rebooted /since/ that happened
[12:59] <geosmin> and the drive mounted fine..
[13:00] <geosmin> pi booted fine..
[13:00] <geosmin> probably got lucky
[13:00] <geosmin> (no such thing, something is horribly wrong and i just don't know it yet)
[13:00] <geosmin> okay, i just realized i did something colossally stupid an hour ago
[13:01] <geosmin> i was testing the pi's voltage with a multimeter between TP1 and TP2
[13:01] <geosmin> then i thought, "oh! i'll poke at the GPIOs!"
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[13:02] <geosmin> and i proceeded to touch TP1 + half a dozen GPIO pins, then TP2 with GPIOs, then GPIOs between themselves
[13:02] <geosmin> noticed TP{1,2} + GPIOs gave me 4.7V often
[13:02] <geosmin> then 30 seconds later when i was wrapping up i was only getting ~1.3V often...
[13:02] * geosmin is not worthy of a multimeter
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[13:03] * ShorTie thinkz, but you can get them free at Harbor Frieght
[13:04] <geosmin> what, multimeters?
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[13:05] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[13:05] <geosmin> clever, pksato: could someone please tell me how stupid that was?
[13:05] <geosmin> ShorTie: it isn't the multimeter i'm worried about :)
[13:06] <ShorTie> cheaper to get a new meter then a new battery .. :/~
[13:07] * CoJaBo has a pretty nice multimeter
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[13:08] <CoJaBo> I recently found out tho, just how useless LCD screens are at subzero temps wow <_<
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[13:09] <clever> CoJaBo: when i was a kid, car radios still used LCD's lol
[13:09] <clever> so i saw that every winter!
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[13:10] <ShorTie> think it might be about the L and liquids freezing .. :/~
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[13:10] <CoJaBo> clever: My grand am was LED, but the display was failing, so it probably looked about the same lol..
[13:11] <geosmin> okay, i'm stuck...
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[13:12] <geosmin> clever: i've never actually set up NFS. i want to share /mnt/thing, where do i define that?
[13:12] * ShorTie hands geosmin the pry bar
[13:12] <clever> geosmin: in /etc/exports
[13:12] <clever> read 'man exports' for the docs
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[13:12] <geosmin> ah
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[13:15] <geosmin> clever: how does /mnt/thing become /srv/nfs4(?)/thing?
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[13:15] <geosmin> is /srv/nfs4/ the host's root?
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[13:16] <geosmin> know what? i'm gonna read the man page before asking stupid questions
[13:16] <clever> never had to deal with /srv on my end
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[13:31] <geosmin> hmm
[13:32] <geosmin> exportfs: Failed to resolve $laptophostname
[13:32] <geosmin> clever: any idea what i'm doing wrong?
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[13:35] <clever> geosmin: you must put in a name that resolves
[13:35] <clever> anything that ping can accept basicaly
[13:35] <clever> (ip's also work)
[13:36] <geosmin> ping doesn't work
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[13:36] <geosmin> on the same network, obviously.
[13:36] <geosmin> why is that?
[13:36] <clever> the name only works if you have setup dns to allow it
[13:36] <geosmin> in router?
[13:36] <geosmin> or on machine?
[13:36] <clever> most routers dont allow that
[13:36] <geosmin> ah
[13:37] <clever> i had to setup a private dns server running my own TLD, .localnet
[13:37] <clever> so now i can just ping c2d.localnet or pi.localnet
[13:37] <clever> if you just want it to work, use the ip instead
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[13:38] <MrKillius24> hi
[13:39] <clever> /roots/u25/ 192.168.2.16(rw,secure,no_root_squash)
[13:39] <clever> geosmin: an old entry from my exports file
[13:40] <geosmin> ty
[13:40] <clever> no_root_squash is a minor security issue though
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[13:40] <clever> basicaly, the server will trust the client entirely, so root on the client == root on server
[13:41] <clever> in theory, if i was to break into your wifi, i could use root on my own laptop to access your nfs server, and i would have the same powers as root on the nfs server
[13:41] <clever> so i could delete/change anything i wanted to
[13:41] <clever> obviously, i have to find you before any of that comes into play :P
[13:41] <MrKillius24> I'm using raspbian and need to setup wifi and wired with static ips so I can ssh eaiser or how can I set a local hostname ?
[13:42] <clever> MrKillius24: what OS is on the machine your ssh'ing from?
[13:42] <geosmin> clever: one last hurdle
[13:42] <MrKillius24> Windows
[13:42] <geosmin> exportfs: 192.168.0.116:/srv/nfs4/thing: Function not implemented
[13:43] <clever> geosmin: i think you dont have nfs server enabled in the kernel
[13:43] <clever> what exactly did you put in exports?
[13:43] <geosmin> clever: i think you're right. how would i do that?
[13:43] <MrKillius24> I have also been stuck setting up wifi with the /etc/netowork/interfaces. I checked the debian wiki but I cannot get very far
[13:43] <geosmin> clever: an external drive
[13:43] <clever> geosmin: the exact config line
[13:44] <clever> just paste it here
[13:44] <geosmin> /srv/nfs4/thing 192.168.0.116(rw)
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[13:44] <clever> geosmin: and you have the drive mounted at /srv/nfs4/thing ?
[13:45] <geosmin> yup
[13:45] <pksato> have two way to use a nfs server, kernel and user land. kernel is prefered.
[13:45] <geosmin> ls /srv/nfs4/thing works as expected
[13:45] <clever> geosmin: what about ls -l /proc/fs/nfsd/
[13:45] <pksato> and, need to start portmap service.
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[13:46] <geosmin> clever: lists a lot of things, can paste
[13:46] <geosmin> pksato: i think a service not being started is the issue
[13:46] <clever> geosmin: no need, that confirms its in the kernel
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[13:47] <clever> i'm not sure what that folder does, but it only exists if you have the nfs kernel server loaded
[13:47] <clever> so its not missing
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[13:47] <geosmin> gotcha, so...
[13:47] <clever> what filesystem did you mount at /thing ?
[13:48] <geosmin> huh.. i ran exportfs and it worked this time
[13:48] <geosmin> didn't change anything
[13:48] <clever> i always use /etc/init.d/nfs something, reload
[13:48] <clever> running the apps directly can miss things they depend on, like portmap
[13:49] <pksato> need a kernel modules nfsd, and a daemons, rpc.nfsd , rpc.mountd and exportfs
[13:50] <clever> the init scripts just handle all of that for you
[13:50] <geosmin> ugh
[13:50] <geosmin> clnt_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - Unable to receive: errno 111 (Connection refused)
[13:50] <pksato> on debian need a package nfs-kernel-server
[13:50] <geosmin> (after doing showmount -e 192.168.0.109)
[13:50] <clever> geosmin: did you try the nfs script in /etc/init.d ?
[13:50] <geosmin> clever: i'm using systemd
[13:50] <clever> ah, so its under a slightly different area
[13:50] <clever> service nfssomething start/reload i think
[13:51] <clever> it should have a list mode
[13:51] <geosmin> no nfs service exists..
[13:51] <geosmin> systemctl status | grep nfs
[13:52] <geosmin> again, i ran exportfs -arv and got no errors
[13:52] <clever> and ive never really used showmount
[13:52] <clever> i just run mount on the other end and see if it works
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[13:56] <geosmin> mount -t 192.168.0.123:/thing mountpoint
[13:56] <geosmin> ...it's hanging
[13:56] <geosmin> so that's something i guess
[13:56] <clever> -t takes a type, so thats not the right syntax
[13:57] <geosmin> mount -t nfs 192.168.0.123:/thing mountpoint
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[13:57] <geosmin> is what i typed
[13:57] <geosmin> (sorry)
[13:57] <clever> and i always add -v to see what its doing
[13:57] <geosmin> Connection timed out
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[13:58] <geosmin> ah
[13:58] <geosmin> mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Unable to receive - Connection refused
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[13:58] <clever> you need to start portmap on the server
[13:58] <clever> and maybe the client also
[13:58] <clever> systemd should have done it, maybe you need to install something
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[14:00] <geosmin> hmm
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[14:03] <MrKillius24> how do I set up the avahi deamon correctly
[14:03] <MrKillius24> I cannot ssh using the hostname.local
[14:03] <MrKillius24> It's pretty annoying
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[14:03] <geosmin> whoops, enabled server and rpcbind
[14:03] <clever> MrKillius24: on windows, you need to install a mac program to get avahi services
[14:03] <geosmin> now i'm getting mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.109:/externaldrive
[14:04] <clever> geosmin: what is the IP of the client machine?
[14:04] <MrKillius24> Oh
[14:04] <clever> MrKillius24: the apple printer thing is the most common one used
[14:04] <MrKillius24> Apple printer ?
[14:04] <MrKillius24> I am confused
[14:04] <MrKillius24> On POSIX I just ssh then it works
[14:05] <MrKillius24> but why is not working with putty on windows ?
[14:05] <clever> avahi isnt built into windows
[14:05] <geosmin> clever: 192.168.0.104
[14:05] <clever> and only apple has made the daemon to handle that
[14:05] <geosmin> as set up in exports
[14:05] <clever> geosmin: you need to put that ip into the exports file
[14:05] <MrKillius24> So what do I need to install to get that deamon ?
[14:05] <geosmin> clever: it is
[14:06] <clever> MrKillius24: i think this was it, https://www.apple.com/support/bonjour/
[14:06] <clever> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL999
[14:06] <MrKillius24> Uhm
[14:06] <clever> yes, its weird
[14:07] <MrKillius24> I tried installing nothing from Apple
[14:07] <MrKillius24> I ssh into my Iphone :p
[14:07] <clever> apple doesnt give the avahi out by itself, and legaly, nobody else can rip it out and share it
[14:07] <clever> so you have to grab another apple app that comes bundled with avahi
[14:07] <MrKillius24> Who owns the deamon ?
[14:07] <clever> apple
[14:08] <MrKillius24> ahh
[14:08] <MrKillius24> What can it do outside of having local hostnames and stuff
[14:08] <geosmin> clever: WELL I'LL BE
[14:08] <geosmin> putting the full path worked
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[14:08] <clever> geosmin: oh, didnt notice that mistake
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[14:09] <MrKillius24> Do I need to restart for the deamon to take effect?
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[14:10] <clever> MrKillius24: i dont think so
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[14:10] <geosmin> clever: thanks tremendously for your help
[14:10] <clever> MrKillius24: do you have chrome?
[14:10] <MrKillius24> I do
[14:10] <geosmin> i'm exhausted, didn't help
[14:10] <clever> MrKillius24: i just remembered a util that is a massive help on windows
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[14:10] <MrKillius24> Oh what is it called ?
[14:10] <MrKillius24> Since I am running windows these days I would need that sort of thing
[14:10] <clever> i forget, lol
[14:10] <clever> i'm checking the list now
[14:11] <MrKillius24> Btw what is easier to set up wifi the interfaces or the wpa-supplicant ?
[14:12] <clever> wpa-supplicant is much simpler i find
[14:12] <geosmin> clever: one last thing i'd like to do: add the nfs server to fstab in a way that won't hang the system if it's down
[14:12] <clever> geosmin: use the soft option over in the column with defaults
[14:12] <ali1234> geosmin: haha good luck with that
[14:12] <MrKillius24> So all I need to do is just set up the wlan0 and it should work?
[14:12] <MrKillius24> because I do not know if that will cut it with my dongle
[14:12] <clever> MrKillius24: strange, that extension is missing now, i cant even find it installed on my acct
[14:12] <clever> yeah
[14:13] <MrKillius24> Oh cool
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[14:13] <MrKillius24> I tried going hard core and compiling the drivers for the dongle myslef
[14:13] <MrKillius24> But the make file was horrible
[14:13] <MrKillius24> So I was going to rewrite it
[14:13] <clever> MrKillius24: ok, plan b, query the avahi from another linux machine, to confirm things
[14:14] <clever> avahi-browse -at
[14:14] <MrKillius24> I could try from a mac
[14:14] <clever> this should list every system running avahi, including the localhost
[14:14] <clever> mac may use a different syntax, the pi should work for this test
[14:14] <MrKillius24> Sure let me grab the terminal and try it
[14:14] <clever> since the pi can see the windows system
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[14:15] <MrKillius24> Wow apt is taking a long time to read the package list
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[14:16] <ambro718> I'm having problems powering a Pi2 with a 1.5m micro-usb cable but a shorter cable works. Making the long cable shorted should help, right?
[14:16] <geosmin> clever: defaults,soft ?
[14:17] <clever> geosmin: yep
[14:17] <clever> soft means that any requests to nfs will fail with an error if the server is down
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[14:17] <MrKillius24> Wait this guide is telling me to do a setup for the deamon ?
[14:17] <clever> hard means that the request will just lock up and wait for the srver
[14:17] <MrKillius24> Like just paste his xml
[14:17] <MrKillius24> in the multiple service
[14:18] <clever> MrKillius24: shouldnt have to deal with xml at all to get basic avahi for .local
[14:18] <MrKillius24> Ohh
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[14:20] <MrKillius24> avahi-browse -at is not found on my mac box
[14:20] <MrKillius24> How is that possible?
[14:21] <clever> mac calls it by a different name and uses different parameters
[14:21] <clever> no idea what they are
[14:21] <clever> try that command on the pi
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[14:22] <MrKillius24> Will do
[14:22] <MrKillius24> Command not found ?
[14:22] <MrKillius24> I can only call avahi-deamon nothing else
[14:23] <MrKillius24> but that's a completely different command
[14:23] <clever> needs to be installed first then
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[14:23] <MrKillius24> Will do
[14:23] <MrKillius24> Wait I have avahi deamon installed yet the browse command isn't included in the package?
[14:24] <clever> seems like it
[14:24] <clever> let me check my pi
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[14:24] <clever> same thing there
[14:24] <shauno> it should be in avahi-utils, I believe
[14:24] <clever> avahi-utils - Avahi browsing, publishing and discovery utilities
[14:24] <clever> yep
[14:25] <clever> debian breaks the optional pieces out into their own package to save space
[14:25] <MrKillius24> oh
[14:25] <CoJaBo> clever: Still true statement if you cut it off after "debian breaks"
[14:26] <clever> lol
[14:26] <clever> i run gentoo on most of my machines
[14:26] <clever> rather then splitting it into seperate packages, you have install time flags, that change the configure options
[14:26] <MrKillius24> What is it with these gentoo and arch hipsters
[14:28] <MrKillius24> I managed to ping into raspberrypi.local
[14:28] <MrKillius24> Time to play celebration
[14:28] <shiftplusone> what is it with overusing the term 'hipster'? =P
[14:28] <MrKillius24> Dunno =p
[14:29] <shiftplusone> We used it before it was cool to use it.
[14:29] <MrKillius24> Doesn't that make us hipsters too ?
[14:29] <MrKillius24> xD
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[14:30] <clever> MrKillius24: there are other fun things you can do with avahi-browse
[14:30] <clever> for example, avahi-browse -ar
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[14:30] <MrKillius24> What does that do?
[14:30] <clever> this will give a real-time display as machines appear and disapear
[14:30] <clever> including their IP
[14:31] <MrKillius24> That is too NSa for me
[14:31] <MrKillius24> It's like top for networking ?
[14:31] <clever> its usefull if your waiting for the pi to reboot
[14:31] <clever> na, iftop is like top for networking
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[14:31] <clever> -ar is just showing things at the avahi layer, it cant show computers that dont run avahi
[14:31] <MrKillius24> I'd rather watch the leds until it stays
[14:32] <MrKillius24> ohh
[14:32] <MrKillius24> So it only shows the stuff I care about
[14:32] <clever> yeah
[14:32] <MrKillius24> now let's do the final step of adding wifi to my /etc/network/interfaces
[14:32] <clever> some services also advertise themselves over avahi, so far ive seen distcc and teamviewer doing it
[14:32] <MrKillius24> and I will bring this back down stairs
[14:33] <MrKillius24> Why do they do that?
[14:33] <MrKillius24> Do they use the deamons to send the packets?
[14:33] <clever> for distcc, you can just auto-discover every build slave in the LAN
[14:33] <MrKillius24> ohhh
[14:33] <clever> and just fire your compile out to everything at once
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[14:33] <clever> not sure why teamviewer does it, i'm guessing it will stream the screen over the LAN and skip going thru the modem twice
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[14:34] <clever> if both ends are local
[14:34] <MrKillius24> ohh
[14:34] <MrKillius24> like lan remote desktop
[14:34] <MrKillius24> Seems pretty good
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[14:34] <MrKillius24> I need to know is there any good web browsers that are really light weight and have support for js extensions ?
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[14:35] <clever> lighttpd is really light weight, but on its own has no server side scripting
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[14:35] <MrKillius24> I just want ublock and to show one or two occasional videos
[14:35] <clever> only static files, until you add cgi
[14:35] <Giddles> is that normal that raspberrian installation got a writerate of 0.5-1.5mb/s?
[14:35] <MrKillius24> I actually found out my sd card only woudl let you use 512mb of ram until you expanded the file system
[14:36] <MrKillius24> Which then gave you 8gb
[14:36] <MrKillius24> I tried luakit but it's pretty hard to use
[14:37] <clever> lighttpd has 2 main modes for server side scripting, bare cgi, and fast-cgi
[14:37] <clever> bare cgi is the old #! stuff, and will even handle compiled programs
[14:37] <clever> lighttpd just runs the app/script for each request
[14:38] <MrKillius24> So will I be able to use it easily and be able to add my ublock.js
[14:38] <clever> depends on if its client or server side JS
[14:38] <MrKillius24> I will check the dependenceis
[14:38] <MrKillius24> Oups
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[14:40] <MrKillius24> I don't see any node
[14:40] <MrKillius24> so that might be good
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[14:41] <MrKillius24> So it looks like it's client side
[14:41] <MrKillius24> It blocks the ad requests before they hit the rendering stage
[14:41] <clever> then you can just use lighttpd in pure static file mode
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[14:41] <clever> which will use barely any resources
[14:42] <MrKillius24> Nice
[14:42] <MrKillius24> I just want to do html5 and flash video mostly
[14:42] <clever> the main issue with cgi based apps, is the overhead of starting up the interperter on every request
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[14:42] <clever> which is where fast-cgi comes into play
[14:42] <MrKillius24> That is true
[14:43] <MrKillius24> but can video be considering fast-cgi?
[14:43] <MrKillius24> I won't be doing flash games
[14:43] <MrKillius24> just plain video streaming
[14:43] <MrKillius24> Mostly netflix and some other sites
[14:43] <clever> video streaming would be better as cgi i think
[14:43] <clever> its not a very high request volume
[14:43] <MrKillius24> So that browser let's me customize everything?
[14:43] <MrKillius24> I just need to have the fastest experience to load pages on my pi
[14:43] <clever> oh, no, lighttpd is a server, not a browser
[14:44] <MrKillius24> Server tha fetches pages ?
[14:44] <clever> misread your first question
[14:44] <clever> its the webserver, that the pages actualy come from
[14:44] <MrKillius24> I need a browser to do flash and html5
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[14:44] <MrKillius24> And run a client side js ad blocker
[14:44] <clever> getting flash on the pi is nearly imposible
[14:44] <MrKillius24> Is it ?
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> ah aaaah.
[14:44] <clever> adobe doesnt make arm linux builds of the flash player
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> In principle, android on pi might allow it
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> sort-of
[14:45] <MrKillius24> But loading html5 video would be simple
[14:45] <clever> yep
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[14:45] <clever> there is a firefox alpha thing to sorta fix that, open source flash player, with a whitelist of what sites it works on
[14:45] <MrKillius24> I need to try that extensively
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[14:46] <clever> http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
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[14:47] <MrKillius24> Does firefox have an arm build?
[14:47] <MrKillius24> I really love firefox
[14:47] <MrKillius24> I tried chromium on the pi gosh it was horrible
[14:47] <clever> i think iceweasle is a firefox branch that works on the pi
[14:48] <MrKillius24> I will look it up
[14:48] <MrKillius24> Before that I need to set up wlan
[14:48] <MrKillius24> Is iceweasle good on ram and cpu usage?
[14:48] <clever> havent tried it myself
[14:49] <ozzzy> hmm... I didn't find chromium horrible
[14:49] <SirLagz> any browser isn't going to be great on the Pi
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[14:49] <MrKillius24> Obviously I know that
[14:49] <clever> ive heard that the pi2 handles browsing a lot better
[14:50] <MrKillius24> I have a b+
[14:50] <SirLagz> I've tried Chromium and Iceweasel, they're both about the same IMHO
[14:50] <MrKillius24> Yeah ?
[14:50] <MrKillius24> I just need simple pages
[14:50] <SirLagz> as long as you don't have more than a couple of tabs open
[14:50] <SirLagz> if you want simple pages, I'd go with Midori
[14:50] <MrKillius24> Ok
[14:50] <MrKillius24> Does midori have support for client side js extensions ?
[14:50] <clever> i have several 100 tabs open on chrome, though this is on a proper desktop with 16gig of ram
[14:51] <MrKillius24> ^
[14:51] <MrKillius24> Same
[14:51] <clever> it manages to eat all the ram :P
[14:51] <SirLagz> haha
[14:51] <MrKillius24> I have 8 open right now on 8gb at 1600mhz
[14:51] <SirLagz> MrKillius24: 800 open ?
[14:51] <SirLagz> or 8 tabs open ?
[14:51] <MrKillius24> 8 tabs open
[14:51] <MrKillius24> I am only using 25%
[14:51] <SirLagz> lol. was about to say, how do you count how many hundred tabs you have ope
[14:51] <SirLagz> open*
[14:51] <clever> let me find a screenshot
[14:52] <SirLagz> I constantly have around 50 tabs open ahha
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[14:52] <MrKillius24> I could have a javascript script count my tabs that were opened
[14:52] <MrKillius24> =p
[14:52] <SirLagz> haha true
[14:52] <MrKillius24> Or even python
[14:52] <clever> MrKillius24: i added that to my firefox extension, lol
[14:52] <clever> what was the url
[14:52] <MrKillius24> What a tab counter in js ?
[14:52] <clever> yep, 570 tabs open in this firefox
[14:52] <SirLagz> hahaha
[14:53] <MrKillius24> How
[14:53] <MrKillius24> Hacks
[14:53] <SirLagz> if i had more than 4GB of RAM, I'd probably have that many open too
[14:53] <MrKillius24> That or C++ dev going on there
[14:53] <clever> plus 1367 tabs open in the firefox on another laptop
[14:53] <MrKillius24> What are you doing ?>
[14:53] <CoJaBo> Only 1367?
[14:53] <clever> firefox doesnt load all the tabs up, so its cheap on ram
[14:54] <SirLagz> yeah true
[14:54] <clever> MrKillius24: pack-rat, i leave tabs open with 'important' stuff
[14:54] <clever> then it builds up
[14:54] <MrKillius24> Ohhh
[14:54] <SirLagz> haha. indeed
[14:54] <CoJaBo> lol, "cheap on ram". niope.
[14:54] <MrKillius24> Reverse engineering anything is at least 150+ tabs
[14:54] <SirLagz> CoJaBo: cheaper than chrome
[14:54] <clever> CoJaBo: cheaper then chrome, chrome reloads everything at startup
[14:54] <clever> so it eats all 16gig of ram at once
[14:54] <clever> firefox is idling at 1gig with 1367 tabs open
[14:54] <CoJaBo> My Firefox seems to leak memory hellishly bad :/
[14:55] <y007ghg7> oh my god clever
[14:55] <MrKillius24> Not using enough malloc Are we mozilla ?
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[14:55] <MrKillius24> finally finished my interfaces config
[14:57] <MrKillius24> My next project is going to be a python script that will auto write configs for wlan and ethernet from arguments passed
[14:57] <clever> the other main issue with chrome
[14:57] <clever> i have ~6 youtube tabs open
[14:57] <clever> at startup, all of them begin playing at once
[14:57] <SirLagz> ahaha
[14:57] <MrKillius24> May the ears rest in piece
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[14:58] <CoJaBo> rofl
[14:58] <bint> hi there
[14:58] <Bilby> aand i'm awake
[14:58] <CoJaBo> Aand that's why I keep flash disabled.
[14:58] <bint> i'm searching a case for my raspberry that fits a 2.5" harddisc
[14:58] <MrKillius24> Out of interest now that I did my config properly
[14:59] <MrKillius24> if I put in my usb wifi dongle it should work ?
[14:59] <bint> anybody knows a project for a pi with harddisc?
[14:59] <SirLagz> MrKillius24: "should" lol
[14:59] <clever> CoJaBo: html5 says 'nope' :P
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[14:59] <Bilby> bint i'm not sure there's one pre-made that way but you might be able to find something on thingvierse
[14:59] <MrKillius24> What do you mean?
[14:59] <MrKillius24> I set up the interfaces properly and all
[14:59] <CoJaBo> clever: NoScript gets those too, actually
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[14:59] <MrKillius24> I hope to god it works
[15:00] <bint> gonna check that out
[15:00] <bint> .co?
[15:00] <bint> com?
[15:00] <SirLagz> bint: there is a project around somewhere...i don't remember what it's called though
[15:00] <CoJaBo> bint: .co, NOT EVEN ONCE
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[15:00] <Bilby> bint http://www.thingiverse.com/
[15:00] <clever> CoJaBo: the problem is that i do want them to play, some of the time
[15:00] <Bilby> if you have a 3d printer or know someone who does
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[15:00] <SirLagz> I think I hear fireworks
[15:00] <CoJaBo> clever: Then you click it and it plays.
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[15:01] <ali1234> "except when it doesn't"
[15:01] <CoJaBo> bint: If you don't, I could have one shipped to you :P
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[15:02] <SirLagz> bint: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kwang/mini-itx-motherboard-for-the-raspberry-pi-fairywre
[15:02] <bint> CoJaBo have you got pictures of it
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[15:02] <CoJaBo> bint: If you find a model I mean
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[15:07] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, not quite sure what to make of that. Seems like that 'problem' had a few better solutions. Cool anyway.
[15:08] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: haha, yeah, it's cool as an All-in-one
[15:08] <SirLagz> but very pricey =/
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[15:08] <clever> i would have gone with something using the compute module instead
[15:08] <clever> more fun ports you can make use of
[15:09] <SirLagz> clever: the Fairywren was designed when the computer module hadn't been released yet
[15:09] <shiftplusone> clever, the compute module is also more expensive
[15:09] <clever> SirLagz: ah
[15:09] <shiftplusone> so as an end user, I'd probably prefer a regular pi.
[15:10] <MY123> shiftplusone, 30$
[15:10] <shiftplusone> but it could certainly be a cleaner product if it was designed around a compute module =/
[15:10] <SirLagz> plus with the compute module, you'd also need a NIC to go with it, USB hub to go with it, etc etc
[15:10] <SirLagz> since the BCM2738 only provides one USB port
[15:10] <clever> SirLagz: can just use similar ones to what the b models use
[15:10] <MY123> SirLagz: There is no BCM2738
[15:10] <clever> but rather then having usb leads flying everywhere to connect to the pi, its all thru one connector
[15:10] <MY123> (BCM2835)
[15:10] <SirLagz> clever: yes, but that's still an extra cost ontop of the Pi Compute Module itself, plus then you'd also need to design the PCB
[15:11] <SirLagz> MY123: typos typos :P
[15:11] <MrKillius24> I remembered that I cheaped out and made a lego case for the b+
[15:11] <MrKillius24> well =D
[15:11] <SirLagz> i made a case for my Pi out of a take away container :P
[15:11] <MrKillius24> lOL
[15:11] <shiftplusone> sounds tasty
[15:11] <SirLagz> and then a PSU
[15:11] <clever> i used an empty dryer sheet box a while back
[15:11] <SirLagz> I had the PiSU running for a while
[15:12] <SirLagz> still used the IEC socket on the PSI to power it :D
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[15:16] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org:8080
[15:16] <ozzzy> LOL
[15:16] <clever> lol
[15:16] <SirLagz> haha
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[15:18] <Bilby> lol ozzzy 'gratz
[15:18] <Bilby> mine is running this --> https://www.adampi.asuscomm.com but there's not much there
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[15:19] <Bilby> sorry, sasns www https://adampi.asuscomm.com
[15:19] <Bilby> need moar coffee
[15:21] <MrKillius24> I will now go try out my wifi on my pi
[15:21] <MrKillius24> Let's see if it works
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[15:29] <clever> ali1234: hmmm, do you happen to know about VHS hi-fi audio?
[15:33] <Bilby> v.... hs? like, videocassette? O__O
[15:33] <clever> yes
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[15:34] <Bilby> I used to record Echos and Hearts of Space on VHS. Quality is excellent compared to cassette, even with the tapes on long-play
[15:34] * Bilby still has a vcr somewhere, even
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[15:35] <clever> one of my VCR's had hi-fi audio
[15:35] <clever> it has since kicked the bucket
[15:35] <clever> the older players cant read that audio track
[15:35] <clever> so all of its recordings are silent...
[15:35] <Bilby> :( hmm.
[15:36] <Bilby> was it an SVHS unit?
[15:36] <clever> dont remember the details
[15:38] <MrKillius24> Well
[15:38] <MrKillius24> Back
[15:38] <MrKillius24> I got the pi running down stairs. I did iwconfig and I can now find the module but I cannot find or connect to any networks?
[15:39] <Bilby> hmm
[15:40] <Bilby> clever do you remember if it had an s-video output?
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[15:45] <clever> maybe?
[15:45] <Bilby> I'd bet it was an S-VHS
[15:46] <Bilby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-VHS
[15:46] <Bilby> where are you in the world? netherlands?
[15:46] <clever> canda
[15:46] <Bilby> ahaha
[15:46] <clever> canada*
[15:47] <Bilby> you should be able to find something
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[15:47] <clever> any modern vcr will probly handle it
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[15:48] <clever> its just not worth the bother of buying a new one when its such old tech :P
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[15:49] <Bilby> S-VHS was a different format iirc, so you'd ahve to find one. should be something gon kajiji or ebay
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[15:50] <clever> heading outside now, bbl
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[15:52] <Bilby> hasta
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[15:54] <MrKillius24> Nearly finished with all my ras pi non sense
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[16:11] <WACOMalt> Is it possible to change resolution while running in raspbian?
[16:11] <WACOMalt> Or only on boot?
[16:12] <clever> hdmi or composite?
[16:12] <WACOMalt> I need a way to test resolutions/refresh rates without being stuck in a non viewable mod if it doesn't support
[16:12] <WACOMalt> Hdmi
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[16:12] <clever> WACOMalt: tvservice -e
[16:12] <clever> and the table on the wiki, *looks*
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[16:13] <WACOMalt> Thanks, sounds useful
[16:13] <clever> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video_mode_options
[16:13] <clever> scroll down a bit and youll find a list of every mode, for each group
[16:14] <clever> and -m will list what the tv claims to support
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[16:15] <WACOMalt> Oh that's useful
[16:15] <WACOMalt> Thanks!
[16:16] <clever> there is more stuff in --help
[16:16] <Moony22> --help
[16:16] <Moony22> lol
[16:16] <WACOMalt> I'll try to script this so it tries and if I don't hit accept or something it switches back
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[16:17] <clever> ssh is also usefull if you have it
[16:17] <clever> you keep control even if it fails
[16:17] <WACOMalt> Yeah I have that ready this time
[16:17] <WACOMalt> Didn't last time and corrupted my card since I couldn't shut down
[16:18] <WACOMalt> The pi really needs a power button
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[16:19] <WACOMalt> Like press for "sudo halt" hold to cut power
[16:19] <ozzzy> not hard to put one in
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[16:19] <WACOMalt> I need a plan for one with a small battery ups
[16:19] <WACOMalt> Tired of wiping my work
[16:20] <ozzzy> wiping your work?
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[16:20] <WACOMalt> Corrupting the card
[16:20] <ozzzy> the cloud is your friend
[16:20] <WACOMalt> I make backups but not constantly
[16:20] <ozzzy> or so I'm told
[16:20] <WACOMalt> ?
[16:20] <ozzzy> work from the cloud
[16:20] <ozzzy> don't store things on the card
[16:20] <WACOMalt> What is there a dropboxFS for the is?
[16:20] <WACOMalt> *OS
[16:21] <WACOMalt> I'm not talking user files, I'm talking the system itself
[16:21] <ozzzy> hmmmm
[16:21] <ozzzy> I've never corrupted a card on 3 running pis
[16:21] <WACOMalt> Wow
[16:21] <WACOMalt> Its like every other day for me
[16:22] <WACOMalt> Sometimes even with clean shutdowns
[16:22] <ozzzy> what kind of cards are you using
[16:22] <WACOMalt> They're listed supported
[16:22] <WACOMalt> sandisk
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[16:22] <eggy> depends on the card really, I spent a while going through a few brands :/
[16:22] <ozzzy> hmmm
[16:23] <clever> WACOMalt: did i paste you that link for a power button?
[16:23] <WACOMalt> Nope
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[16:23] <clever> http://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade&page=5
[16:23] <clever> fully battery powered pi, with soft on/off, proper shutdowns, and a force off if you need it
[16:24] <ozzzy> I put a buck converter in the case and a NO momentary button on the reset pins
[16:24] <clever> and the pi can shut itself off as well
[16:24] <ozzzy> but a toggle would be simple
[16:24] <clever> holding it in reset wont entirely stop the power usage
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[16:25] <SpeedEvil> Thermite will.
[16:25] <ozzzy> you really want a button on reset and a latching on/off toggle on the input power
[16:26] <ozzzy> and remote the LEDs to the outside of the case
[16:26] <clever> ozzzy: for the page i linked, the on/off button is wired to both an AVR and a pi GPIO
[16:26] <clever> when you use it to turn things on, it will trigger the AVR to start acting as a boost regulator
[16:26] <clever> for the off action, there are 2 parts
[16:27] <clever> a short press is ignored by the AVR, the pi will then begin a proper shutdown
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[16:27] <clever> the pi then sets the GPIO to output, simulating a button press
[16:27] <clever> which triggers the long-press code in the AVR, causing it to cut power
[16:27] <ozzzy> clever, I use inexpensive boost-buck regulators
[16:27] <clever> then you wont be able to have such a fancy off circuit
[16:28] <clever> but you could probly make something similar by charging a cap up with the on button
[16:28] <clever> which holds it on for ~20 seconds
[16:28] <clever> then the pi could use a gpio to hold that on
[16:28] <clever> and when the pi does release the pin, the cap decays again and shuts off the boost chip
[16:29] <ozzzy> the good thing about the boost bucks is that you can lift the ENA pin and connect it to an AVRs gpio
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[16:30] <pksato> or use AVR as SMPS controller.
[16:31] <ozzzy> you could do that... but for a dollar or so you get a proper switchmode supply
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[16:32] <pksato> probab;e have some project to power RPi unsing avr,
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[16:37] <clever> pksato: thats what the project i linked is doing
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[16:41] <MrKillius24> clever I finally got the wifi working
[16:41] <MrKillius24> After lsmod-ing for hours I found the id and got the correct driver
[16:41] <MrKillius24> It's all gud now
[16:44] <WACOMalt> Wonder if https://www.pi-supply.com/product/upis-advanced-uninterruptable-power-intelligent-supply/ and https://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-supply-raspberry-pi-power-switch/ work together
[16:44] <WACOMalt> Which Wi-Fi adapter MrKillius24 ?
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[16:51] <Stoggy> occasionally having some problems booting or rebooting the pi2. anyone else?
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[16:54] <WACOMalt> Stoggy, what sort of problems, corruption?
[16:54] <Stoggy> pi doesn't boot. black screen. pulling power plug 2 or 3 times help.
[16:56] <Stoggy> WACOMalt power is ok i guess. no devices attached and using PS with 2A
[16:57] <thescatman> i'm not getting that
[16:58] <Stoggy> 1 of 4 tries it works without issues
[17:00] <WACOMalt> Yeah that's unusual
[17:01] <WACOMalt> Which model pi?
[17:01] <Stoggy> the new Pi2 Model B
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[17:32] <robertdempsey> Hi everyone. Any recommendations on portable power packs for the raspberry pi? I'd like to take a pi with me and keep it constantly on, and then when I get to power plug the pack into the wall without the pi going down.
[17:32] <robertdempsey> Many of the power packs I see say it "may fluctuate" when plugged back into a wall outlet, which may cause the pi to lose power.
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[17:56] <WACOMalt> http://pastor.org/9969362 Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my syntax?
[17:57] <WACOMalt> As soon as I run the py file it runs halt
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[18:00] <ShorTie> dat address is no good
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[18:01] <ShorTie> along with a good address, maybe more specifics on the error too...
[18:01] <WACOMalt> Right one sec
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[18:02] <WACOMalt> http://pastie.org/9969362
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[18:02] <WACOMalt> Following this
[18:02] <WACOMalt> http://www.raspberry-pi-geek.com/Archive/2013/01/Adding-an-On-Off-switch-to-your-Raspberry-Pi/(offset)/4
[18:03] <WACOMalt> I am hooked to gpio4 (so were they, 7 in board numbers)
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[18:03] * ShorTie thinkz, of course when it took me 2 days to figure out 'cat sdcard/etc/fstab: echo " "' i mat not be the right one a l@@kin
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[18:05] <ShorTie> does there code work ??
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[18:07] <ShorTie> not real sure, but i'm a bag fan of diff for finding problemo's
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[18:08] <ShorTie> you ever use diff ??
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[18:11] <perdouille> Hello everyone !
[18:11] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[18:11] <Psybur> y0
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[18:11] <perdouille> I need some help using the MCP3008 with my Raspberry Pi (A school project: I have to get the signal from a moisture sensor and activate a relay if needed)
[18:12] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[18:12] <brno0> hello, is somebody here who wants to help me to get the vc4 driver of eric anholt running?
[18:12] <perdouille> (Wait, I'm looking for the link to ask the question x) )
[18:12] <perdouille> (And sorry for my maybe bad english)
[18:12] <ShorTie> i'd suggest lookin into wiringPi
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> perdouille: What moisture sensor
[18:13] <perdouille> It's this one : http://www.gotronic.fr/art-capteur-d-humidite-sen0114-19376.htm
[18:13] <perdouille> Sorry for the french website, I think I could find the same sensor somewhere else
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[18:14] <ShorTie> basically, 2 copper wires in the dirt
[18:14] <perdouille> It's this one : http://www.dfrobot.com/wiki/index.php?title=Moisture_Sensor_%28SKU:SEN0114%29
[18:14] <perdouille> Because it's an analog sensor I have to use a converter, I bought the MCP
[18:14] <perdouille> MCP3008*
[18:15] <perdouille> I'm using this tutoriel : https://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi/connecting-the-cobbler-to-a-mcp3008
[18:15] <perdouille> Do you think it'll work ?
[18:15] <ShorTie> should, it's a adc
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[18:16] <perdouille> In the tutorial it says that i have to connect CLK to GPIO18, DOut in GPIO23, DIn in GPIO24 and CS in GPIO25
[18:17] <perdouille> Can I change the GPIO pins ? I can use the one I want ?
[18:17] <ShorTie> nop
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[18:17] <perdouille> (It would be easier to make the PCB x) )
[18:17] <perdouille> 'k so I'll use the one in the tutorial, np
[18:17] <perdouille> thanks a lot
[18:18] <ShorTie> guess you could, but if you want the spi bus to work, you can't
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[18:18] <perdouille> I don't understand :/ (I've almost never used the GPIO port on the raspberry)
[18:19] <perdouille> What's the difference between all the GPIO pins ? Why must I use the 23 for DOut and not anything else ?
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[18:19] <perdouille> (for exemple ^^)
[18:19] <ShorTie> maybe l@@k at these 2 pages
[18:19] <ShorTie> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/spi-library/
[18:19] <ShorTie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54366&p=519353
[18:20] <perdouille> Ok thanks !
[18:20] <ShorTie> No Problem
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[18:27] <perdouille> I'll use this tutorial, seems better : http://hertaville.com/2013/07/24/interfacing-an-spi-adc-mcp3008-chip-to-the-raspberry-pi-using-c/
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[18:28] <perdouille> (And using spi)
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[18:29] <WACOMalt> I got it working. Had circuit wired wrong.
[18:29] <ShorTie> havem fun
[18:30] <mortal> anyone have i2c lcd screen 16x2?
[18:30] <mortal> I ordered one from dx.com
[18:30] <WACOMalt> Anyone know if its possible to make the pi not boot when it gets power, but to instead wait for the reset pins?
[18:31] <WACOMalt> Like it is when you've halted, but power is still plugged
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> removeSD
[18:32] <WACOMalt> Is that the only way?
[18:32] <WACOMalt> Not really an option for my use
[18:33] <perdouille> Make it crash every 2 boots ? :D
[18:33] <WACOMalt> :(
[18:33] <perdouille> (Jk, I don't know and I would need the answer too)
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> You could build a circuit that waits for a button press before it applies power
[18:33] <WACOMalt> Nah, was hoping the pi could just work in this mode
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[18:34] <Sonny_Jim> Modify the boot sequence so it waits for a GPIO pin to be closed
[18:34] <WACOMalt> Boot sequence in the OS itself?
[18:35] <WACOMalt> So it'd still get corrupted if power got cut before I "booted"?
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> You could do it before the filesystem gets mounted
[18:36] <WACOMalt> Needs to be in halt, non booted, until reset switch gets tapped
[18:36] <WACOMalt> Ah that's an option
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[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> But that would involve modifying the initfs
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[18:36] <WACOMalt> Which is out of my skill range
[18:37] <WACOMalt> Halt really should be the default powered state
[18:37] <WACOMalt> But the reset pins aren't installed from the factory so most people then couldn't turn on
[18:37] <WACOMalt> :/
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[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> So what happens if you power up the Pi with the reset pin closed?
[18:38] <WACOMalt> Well, at least my turn off switch works
[18:38] <WACOMalt> Oh dunno
[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> What are you trying to do?
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[18:39] <WACOMalt> With reset held on boot it doesn't boot, but does have the tx light solid green
[18:39] <WACOMalt> Which worries me
[18:40] <WACOMalt> Only boots once released
[18:40] <WACOMalt> But that's about the behavior I'm after... If it's safe
[18:40] <pksato> WACOMalt: you need a delayed boot? or really need to change a switch?
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[18:41] <WACOMalt> I want non boot
[18:41] <WACOMalt> Unless I push power/reset
[18:41] <WACOMalt> Even if powered
[18:42] <pksato> power on on suppend mode?
[18:42] <WACOMalt> Yes
[18:42] <Sonny_Jim> Single pole switch that closes the reset pins
[18:43] <WACOMalt> But is that safe? When I plug power with reset bridged the green light is active
[18:43] <WACOMalt> Solid
[18:43] <WACOMalt> Not sure if it's the same as suspend/halted
[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> Well, it's not
[18:44] <pksato> no.
[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> But afaik there isn't anyway to bring the Pi out of suspend
[18:44] <WACOMalt> Is it rapid fire resetting?
[18:44] <WACOMalt> To get out of suspend the rest pins work.
[18:45] <ShorTie> perdouille, twas thinkin, i know, dangerous, but what model pi are you using ??
[18:45] <pksato> like pc, all power if reset are pressed. but, not boot.
[18:45] <WACOMalt> And on boot finally releasing them resumes boot
[18:45] <Sonny_Jim> From what I remember, suspend/halt shuts down the USB and GPIO bus, so you can't actually send it a signal to unsuspend
[18:45] <WACOMalt> I'm not using gpio though
[18:45] <WACOMalt> I don't think...
[18:46] <pksato> way you need this condition?
[18:46] <WACOMalt> The reset pins, near the tx led
[18:46] <WACOMalt> Labeled RUN
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[19:27] <bint> i really wonder that there is no nice raspberry-pi case with integrated 2.5" space and usb hub
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[19:31] <Sonny_Jim> Ok now this is weird
[19:31] <Sonny_Jim> I compiled a program, it runs fine on it's own but it crashes gdb
[19:31] <Sonny_Jim> 0xb6fe8acc in ?? () from /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3
[19:36] <bint> how is the rpi2 emulating n64 and playstation games? and is it capable of emulating ps2 ?
[19:37] <Sonny_Jim> Why not google?
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[19:38] <bint> i'm googeling already :)
[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> mupen64plus
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[19:40] <Payo> have you tried googling Sonny_Jim ?
[19:40] <Payo> see, super useful
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[19:41] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I have, apparently he is a rapper from Birmingham
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[19:45] <bint> well i think google could answer a lot of questions.. still there are irc chatrooms.. and well.. you can discuss stuff here... ask questions here and get help and i think thats what irc is for
[19:46] <bint> but Sonny_Jim i agree, we all could use google, search the forum that fits and ask our questions there
[19:46] <bint> but then again, whats irc for?
[19:46] <Sonny_Jim> If you look on the raspberrypi.org front page, both the N64 and PSX emulator are discussed there
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[19:47] <Sonny_Jim> Ah it was, let me grab a link
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[19:48] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/page/2/
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[20:02] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm gdb seems fairly broken on the Pi
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[20:10] <ambro718> Which are the UART pins on RPi2?
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[20:12] <Sonny_Jim> I think the wiringpi pages should have the RPi2 GPIO pinout
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[20:13] <Sonny_Jim> http://pi.gadgetoid.com/pinout
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[20:16] <ambro718> thanks. It's funny how the official raspberrpi site is utterly useless.
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[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> There's the wiki page here;
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> Not such a pretty graphic though
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[20:21] <ambro718> But, I don't see the pinout for Pi2
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> It's the same for the Pi1
[20:22] <ambro718> okay
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> But with a few extra
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[20:22] <abnormal> is'nt Pi B-2 same as pi B+ in pin out?
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[20:23] <abnormal> thot so... nice link for pin outs..
[20:23] <Sonny_Jim> So P1-P26 = Pi1/B+/Pi2 the same
[20:23] <Sonny_Jim> P26+ = Same for B+ and Pi2
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[20:32] <ambro718> argh it's just 1 pin away from being compatible with BeagleBone...
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[20:35] <heller\> hello people
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[20:35] <heller\> anyone familiar with these w
[20:36] <heller\> http://www.ebay.com/itm/391012308875
[20:36] <heller\> seem to be alot easier to use than MCP3424
[20:37] <abnormal> cheap enuf
[20:37] <heller\> i've got one ADCPi running now, but ill ditch it and try them?
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[20:37] <heller\> wondering about accuracy. i would be u sing them for current sensing with ACS712 and voltage sensing with voltage divider
[20:37] <abnormal> you can if you like, at your own risk
[20:38] <abnormal> is there spec document somewhere for it?
[20:38] <heller\> not really for the whole part
[20:38] <heller\> but the IC itself should be okay
[20:38] <heller\> another url about the IC http://blog.jacobean.net/?p=258
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[20:38] <heller\> code seems easy
[20:39] <heller\> i could make easy reading per channel
[20:39] <abnormal> ok then buy about 200 of them and try them out..
[20:40] <converge> I run this small webapp (php/mysql/apache) on my website, and I have to run it on raspberry, but it's kind slow in it. Is there something I can do to improve performance ?
[20:40] <heller\> well i think i might try it.
[20:40] <ali1234> heller\: at that price it isn't going to be high quality but at that price, who cares?
[20:42] <abnormal> heller\,
[20:42] <abnormal> you have an arduino uno?
[20:43] <ali1234> at that price it's very unlikely to be a genuine nxp chip so don't expect it to perform as well as the datasheet says
[20:44] <abnormal> that's why I asked if has an arduino uno, very accurate unit
[20:45] <ali1234> and also huge and expensive
[20:45] <abnormal> true but fail proof
[20:46] <ali1234> plus writing i2c slave code isn't exactly easy
[20:46] <abnormal> Oh? hmmm.. ok... well how about those parallax boards? like the quick start, etc...
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[20:47] <ali1234> i'm surprised nobody made a hat for this to be honest
[20:47] <abnormal> true
[20:48] <ali1234> chuck an AVR on there, write an i2c firmware and a linux driver
[20:48] <abnormal> I am waiting for the Pi-Top to launch in market
[20:48] <ali1234> put some DC motor drives as well
[20:48] <ali1234> all the DC driver boards out there totally suck
[20:48] <abnormal> yes they do suk
[20:49] <ali1234> using a LED driver to PWM motors is like the worst idea since using linear speed control
[20:49] <abnormal> lol like a short cut...
[20:49] <McBride36> use an hbridge
[20:50] <ali1234> McBride36: that gves you direction control, now how you going to get speed control?
[20:50] <McBride36> with the rpi yes?
[20:50] <ali1234> yes
[20:51] <McBride36> you can pulse the pi gpio
[20:52] <McBride36> let me find the library i used for PWM on the pi
[20:53] <ali1234> what you actually want is something like this: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-dc-stepper-motor-hat-for-raspberry-pi-mini-kit
[20:53] <ali1234> except instead of the LED driver that tops out at 1kHz, use an AVR
[20:53] <ali1234> then remove all the pointless prototyping space so the board doesn't block the camera connector
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[20:54] <ali1234> and put some headers for ADC
[20:54] <ali1234> then it would be actually good
[20:54] <McBride36> that'll work
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[20:54] <McBride36> if you're curious, i used this on my pi at work to drive a stepper motor with a microstepping driver, https://pythonhosted.org/RPIO/index.html#documentation
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[20:58] <ali1234> when they say precision of 1 us i assume they mean that's the lowest common denominator, ie at 10kHz you can have the duty cycle at any whole number percentage?
[20:58] <ali1234> but at 100kHz you could only have 0%, 10%, 20% etc
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[21:01] <ali1234> actually i just noticed that stepper board has a slot for the camera cable so they got that right at least
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[21:02] <converge> Im at a 10/100 network, why raspberry can't use all my network band ? it's downloading 30 k/s
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[21:04] <GentileBen> Just because the chipset is rated at 100Mbps doesn't mean it can actually sustain it.
[21:04] <GentileBen> Look at benchmarks.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> It can certainly do much, much higher than30k/s
[21:04] <GentileBen> Yes, I'd expect at least a few MB/s.
[21:05] <converge> ill check it
[21:05] <converge> thanks
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[21:29] <heller\> abnormal: i do
[21:29] <heller\> but i need something to go with rpi
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[21:31] <abnormal> yes? I am here... try the piface.. will get a link for you..
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[21:32] <abnormal> http://www.newark.com/piface/piface-digital-2/io-expansion-board-raspberry-pi/dp/78X5847
[21:33] <abnormal> this one board will protect the pi regardless... it does a lot for this board and fits right over the pi nicely.
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[21:36] <delold> may i ask where i can ask about things related to circuits and such?
[21:36] <jamesd_> here or in #electronics
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[21:43] <delold> thanks
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[22:03] <givemefive911> List of micro-sd suggestions for RPI2? Kind of sucks that full size cards aren't supported anymore because from what I can tell they are a lot faster.
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[22:04] <Jusii> official one, there's no substitute
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[22:07] <Xark> givemefive911: I don't think really true (at least anymore). In fact -> http://www.tested.com/tech/photography/456861-why-it-sometimes-makes-sense-buy-microsd-instead-full-size/
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[22:10] <givemefive911> So many parameters involved. Really hard to tell what's good for Linux
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[22:11] <Sonny_Jim> Really doesn't make *that* much difference
[22:12] <Sonny_Jim> Pi is limited by it's USB bus anyway
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[22:13] <givemefive911> Sonny_Jim: uh SD card write performance is very low, certainly not limited by the USB bus
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[22:13] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok. I was under the impression that it all shared the same bus
[22:14] <givemefive911> it does but write speed is lower than that limit
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> Well, what about if you are downloading something?
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> Or using a USB peripheral
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> etc etc
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> The point is, SD performance isn't going to be exactly stellar, so it's not really worth spending mega-bucks on a fast SD card
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[22:16] <Xark> Class 4 or 6 for Pi, seems to be the consensus.
[22:17] <Xark> Also, SD card in RPi doesn't go through USB, AFAIK...
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[22:22] <SpeedEvil> No, just USB and network
[22:24] <givemefive911> Well I guess I'll get a few and benchmark, return what sucks.
[22:24] <givemefive911> This manual that comes with the element14 devices is heavier than the pi itself
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[22:39] <Xark> givemefive911: Wow, you get a manual now? I think I got half a piece of paper folder over with URL on it...
[22:40] * Xark is expecting Amazon prime Raspberry Pi 2 delivery today...
[22:42] <Stephini_> i got myself a dremmel and picked up a free routing bit. and now i know why you need the bracket. thing loves to jump. is there any way to simulate the bracket since i dont have 40 bucks to spare?
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[22:43] * Xark checks his mailbox and sees it has already arrived (didn't hear it...). :)
[22:43] <abnormal> Stephini_, do you have Velcro handy?
[22:44] <Stephini_> small squares somewhere. no large straps
[22:44] <ShorTie> visegrips ??
[22:44] <heller\> anyone here know about web servers with many vhosts?
[22:44] <ShorTie> vise ??
[22:44] <abnormal> Tyraps?
[22:44] <Stephini_> no vice grips either and non of mine could bite a dremel.
[22:44] <heller\> i need opinion
[22:44] <ShorTie> oh, for the dremel
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[22:45] <Stephini_> tyraps? i'm reading that as tiewraps and assume i dont have any.
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[22:45] <abnormal> well go to hardware store and get Velcro or use Duct Tape
[22:46] <Stephini_> what exactly would i be strapping it to?
[22:46] <abnormal> a board and tape board to desk or table
[22:47] <abnormal> do you have a partner?
[22:47] <ShorTie> what cha trying to do if i can ask ??
[22:47] <Stephini_> sometimes. she usually works though.
[22:47] <givemefive911> Xark: I think it depends on your distributor.
[22:48] <Stephini_> ShorTie, currently i'm trying expand the interface holes at the back of the snes to fit HDMI and RJ45 females
[22:48] <Stephini_> s/snes/nes
[22:48] <abnormal> well do you have any "C" clamps?
[22:48] <givemefive911> Xark: The English section is 8 pages long, There are 17 languages ; )
[22:48] <ShorTie> got a drill ??
[22:49] <abnormal> lol
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[22:50] * ShorTie don't think a dremel job isn't gonna l@@k real well, imho
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[22:51] <abnormal> it did for me on a pi case... real nice job too...
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[22:52] <abnormal> made some nice slots for cooling purposes...
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[22:53] <ShorTie> draw out what cha want, drill a whole bunch of like 1/8 holes with drawings, go back thru wiggling drill side to side to connect the dots
[22:53] <Stephini_> ShorTie, i have a drill. yeah why?
[22:54] <ShorTie> you a better man then me, i've never been able to make a straight line using a dremel as a mill
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[22:54] <Foxhoundz> is it possible to make the system LED blink programmatically
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[22:55] <Stephini_> i used a grinder cutting blade last night to cut my mounting plate. pretty sure it's not meant to cut paperwood. :P smoked up really bad.
[22:55] <ShorTie> what i said right before you answered about drill
[22:55] <Stephini_> that aside the lines were straiter than i got with a hand saw. :P
[22:57] <Foxhoundz> no one?
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[22:57] <Foxhoundz> Aha!
[22:57] <Foxhoundz> I found the answer
[22:57] <Foxhoundz> According to a forum post, the green onboard LED can be controlled
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[23:00] <Stephini_> hrm. thinking on it the drill idea would be fine if i was trying to make a major change or a brand new hole but since i'm just trying to draw out a couple holes it seems inneficient possibly just undoable.
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[23:04] <Bilby> O_O
[23:04] <Bilby> what... are you drilling?
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[23:04] <ShorTie> oh make it bigger, utility knife
[23:05] <ShorTie> can't do it in 1 pass though, gotta draw the knife a few times
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[23:10] <Psybur> For an A+ and an edimax wifi dongle, what kind of power supply should I get? 5V 1A enough?
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[23:11] <Psybur> wifi and an nrf module
[23:12] <H__> my gut proposes to feed that with at least 5V 2A capable PSU
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[23:12] <ShorTie> don't know if the usb hack works on th A+, but i'd get atleast a 2amp in hopes it does
[23:14] <CoJaBo> Psybur: Mine's a B+ and with wifi, it barely hits 500ma
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[23:15] <CoJaBo> If your PSU *actually* handles 1A, it should be OK. If it's sucky tho, even a "2A" one can fail.
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[23:16] <ShadowJK> A good 0.7A PSU is better than a crap 2A PSU
[23:16] <ShorTie> that totally depends on what the pi is doing and how much wifi trafic you got
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[23:16] <Psybur> I would be making ReST web service calls with very small payloads. No multimedia
[23:16] <CoJaBo> With mine, the power led goes off if I ping it.
[23:16] <ShorTie> 500ma if every thing is sitting in dream land sounds about right though
[23:17] <Psybur> Also any reason why the edimax dongle wouldnt work on an A+ but would on a B+?
[23:17] <CoJaBo> It doesn't seem to matter if I send one packet or flood the line tho, oddly enough, both use the same amount of power.
[23:17] <ShorTie> means your losing power CoJaBo if it's a + model
[23:17] <CoJaBo> Yep; sucky 1A psu.
[23:18] <CoJaBo> The voltage dips when it gets close to .5A
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[23:18] <ShorTie> well the usb is current limited to 600ma bt defualt too...
[23:18] <ShorTie> s/bt/by/
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[23:23] <Psybur> Is a 3 amp supply going to fry anything
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[23:24] <Psybur> http://www.amazon.com/Super-Power-Supply%C2%AE-5-5x2-1mm-Certified/dp/B00DHSBFRO/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1424557373&sr=1-9&keywords=5v+barrel+power
[23:24] <Bilby> Psybur no. Pi is only going to draw what it needs
[23:24] <Psybur> Ok
[23:24] <Bilby> *assuming nothing is damaged
[23:25] <Bilby> ... but the odds of that giving up an honest 3A are pretty low anyhow. You might get a good 1 - 1.5A out of it...
[23:25] <Psybur> What makes you say that?
[23:26] <ShadowJK> To actually push 2A to Pi, while also staying within Pi's recommended voltage range, you actually need quite thick cables
[23:26] <Bilby> price.
[23:26] <Bilby> something you can make and sell for $10 that fits in a wall wart isn't going to give you 3A
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[23:27] <ShorTie> buck convertor are rated at 3amps
[23:27] <Bilby> for reference, I have a PSU that gives 3A @ 12V, it's about the size of a hoagie sandwhich
[23:28] <Bilby> True but there's more to a decnet power supply than just dropping the voltage
[23:28] <Bilby> it might be fine, who knows. my experience has not reflected that.
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[23:30] <ShorTie> it got the wrong end on it you know ??
[23:30] <Psybur> Is there an advantage to using a barrel plug? More secure? Could I possibly use that mini usb port for anything while the pi is running?
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[23:30] <ShorTie> nop
[23:30] <ShorTie> it's only for power
[23:30] <Bilby> no, barrel is just more common for low-voltage devices
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[23:31] <ShorTie> 1 of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/261727371039?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[23:31] <Psybur> So would this be OK for a an A+ that I want to use a wifi dongle and an nrf24 module? http://www.amazon.com/Arrela%C2%AE-Micro-USB-charger-Adapter/dp/B00KEIGMHI/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1424557696&sr=8-10&keywords=raspberry+pi+power+supply+2a
[23:31] <ShorTie> and a 'good' micro-usb cable might be better
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[23:34] <ShorTie> that l@@ks like a better option then the first page, imho
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[23:35] <Bilby> This is apparently "pi specific" and has decent reviews --> http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Micro-Supply-Charger/dp/B00DZLSEVI
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[23:36] <Bilby> Or for the gold standard, the power supply that niston used in his crazy hifi build
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[23:37] * ShorTie thinkz the other better, blaaa.., "pi specific", marketing statagy
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[23:38] <ShorTie> most power issues are caused by 'cheap' micro-usb cables, imho
[23:39] <Foxhoundz> It didn't work
[23:39] <Foxhoundz> :(
[23:39] <Foxhoundz> I can't control the onboard LEDs because Raspbian asks for root permissions
[23:39] <Foxhoundz> using sudo doesn't seem to cut it
[23:40] <Bilby> Here it is... http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/PS-15-5/?qs=pqZ7J9Gt%2Fmo37fiR3%252bDVeQ%3D%3D
[23:40] <ShorTie> this is almost a must have toy for a pi http://www.ebay.com/itm/361162327436?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[23:40] <Bilby> that took forever to dig out. It's actually pretty affordable
[23:40] <ShorTie> figure out that bad micro-usb cable in a heart beat
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[23:41] <ShorTie> i like it so much, i got one as a 'good guy' gift for a friend .. :/~
[23:41] <Bilby> it's neat for the price
[23:42] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[23:42] <Bilby> grr. i do wish Rpi had included pin points for power as well as the micro USB. MicroUSB ends are so hard to find
[23:42] <ShorTie> lot easier then multi-meter
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[23:44] <Bilby> bbl, going to go play a little TF2
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[23:47] <nefarious> Bilby, which class do you main?
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[23:51] <ShadowJK> Bilby; pin points for power? there's 5V and GND on GPIO headers. Conveniently also bypasses overcurrent protection
[23:52] <ShadowJK> or not so conveniently, if you've got a habit of reversing polarity or feeding wrong voltage :P
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[23:55] <ShorTie> the B+ and rpi2 can not power up by supplying 5v to the gpio pins i believe
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[23:55] <ShorTie> can run, but not boot
[23:55] <ShadowJK> oh? :(
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