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IRC Log for 2015-02-24

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[0:00] <thescatman> teknic111, http://lifehacker.com/easily-update-your-raspbian-sd-cards-for-the-pi-2-with-1684229012
[0:00] <teknic111> thanks
[0:01] <thescatman> Now time to see if I can get to 1.2GHz :D
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[0:09] <teknic111> do pi b+ cases fit the new pi2?
[0:10] <ozzzy> yep
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[0:11] <teknic111> nice
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[0:13] <CoolCanuck> Hey. Sorry if this support request isn't allowed. I'm trying to install OpenElec (via Berryboot ... onto a USB) The OS downloads from Berryboot... but when I restart.. it starts the whole "Welcome" setup for berryboot again. Any ideas? Thanks :)
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[0:20] <Peio> CoolCanuck try #openelec :)
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[0:21] <CoolCanuck> Why didn't I think of that? Thanks ... haha!
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[0:31] <mpmctoo> 666666
[0:31] <avrdude> does raspbian come with python?
[0:32] <ppq> depends on what installation media you use
[0:32] <ppq> i think the foundation images include python
[0:32] <ppq> but if not, it's just one command..
[0:33] <OffensiveUser> sudo apt-get install python?
[0:33] <ppq> yes
[0:33] <OffensiveUser> sudo rm -f /?
[0:33] <ppq> no.
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[0:33] <OffensiveUser> would that delete everything in root
[0:34] <ppq> no, since you're missing -r for recursive
[0:34] <OffensiveUser> ah
[0:34] <OffensiveUser> lol
[0:35] <mpmctoo> Sorry for the random 6 numbers guys, I was shaking the bits out of my keyboard, I'm going to wash it tomorrow lol.
[0:35] <OffensiveUser> #raspberrypi ~ helps wether you want things to work or monumentally fuck them up
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[0:39] <Xark> mpmctoo: NP, but they were not all that random (mostly sixes). :)
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[0:40] <mpmctoo> Xark: So they were :/ I was holding the keyboard on the numpad side xD
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[1:10] <OffensiveUser> so
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[1:10] <OffensiveUser> can i make a raspberry pi boot into this: https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
[1:10] <OffensiveUser> or do i have to use an actual crt monitor for that leet hacker feel
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[1:38] <teknic111> so after following this tutorial, http://thepihut.com/blogs/raspberry-pi-tutorials/16982376-updating-raspian-on-your-microsd-for-the-raspberry-pi-2, I still cannot get my old sd card to boot on the pi2. Any suggestions?
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[1:40] <mhoney> Windows 10!
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[1:45] <abnormal> no, Linux 10!
[1:45] <CoJaBo> windows sucks :/
[1:45] <teknic111> windows has its place
[1:45] <abnormal> or Lindows 10!
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[1:46] <SirLagz> Winux !
[1:47] <abnormal> there ya go
[1:48] <Milenko> i... i like windows 10 :(
[1:48] <kisak> I get the impression win10 on RPi2 is pointless, the only thing you'll be able to do is use applications that were made to target windows phones
[1:49] <SirLagz> there there Milenko ...
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[1:54] <IT_Sean> the only place for windows is in the bin
[1:54] <SirLagz> haha too right
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[1:58] <fsa317> are there any negatives to powering the pi via the gpio 5v/gnd? it seems to be correcting an issue I was having with under voltage when connecting through a powered usb hub
[1:59] <teknic111> so i finally got my pi2 up and runnig, but now my text is glitching all over my screen. Anyone have any idea why?
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[2:00] <Triffid_Hunter> fsa317: I power my pi that way, works great
[2:00] <methuzla> fsa317 yes, you bypass some of the input protection
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[2:01] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah that's the major issue with powering via GPIO, one slip and the whole board is toast
[2:02] <SirLagz> so don't slip, and you'll be right :D
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[2:03] <ShorTie> 'under voltage when connecting through a powered usb hub', have you tried a better quality micro-usb cable maybe ??
[2:03] <fsa317> ShorTie: I've tried 3 different microusb cables
[2:03] <fsa317> it seems no matter what when I go through the usb hub I get the undervoltage.
[2:04] <teknic111> this is what my pi2 text looks like...http://i.imgur.com/HYUq14R.jpg
[2:04] <teknic111> What could cause this?
[2:05] <Triffid_Hunter> teknic111: looks like a bad hdmi cable to me
[2:05] <fsa317> my alternative plan was take my PS and have it split, one dc connector goes to the hub (to power the HDD) the other will power the pi via gpio
[2:06] <fsa317> not sure if that's just going to push my problem around or fix it :-)
[2:06] <teknic111> i'll switch it out, but the same cable was being used with my pi b+ with no issue
[2:09] <fsa317> Does my idea make any sense?
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[2:15] <promet> Is it possible for a battery powered Raspi to track the level of its battery, or would an "external circuit" have to handle something like that
[2:16] <promet> Or more generally, does anyone have any vague idea of how long a Pi can get buy with median usage ona 220 mAh battery?
[2:16] <promet> sorry, 2200 mAh
[2:17] <ShorTie> external
[2:17] <teknic111> Triffid_Hunter, not the hdmi cable. i just swapped it with a brand new one and it still has the same issue.
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[2:20] <methuzla> promet: i've run an A with USB wifi and pi camera module for about 8 hours on 2200mAh lipo
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[2:30] <teknic111> is usb 1.0 enough to power the pi2?
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[2:31] <ozzzy> one wouldn't think so
[2:31] <ShorTie> by spec, usb only provides 500ma
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[2:43] <OffensiveUser> can I set a b+ up as media server and irc bouncer without it exploding?
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[2:46] <Triffid_Hunter> OffensiveUser: it'll be pretty poor performance for a media server, but it won't explode
[2:46] <OffensiveUser> oh
[2:47] <OffensiveUser> any cool things I can host on it instead
[2:47] <Triffid_Hunter> OffensiveUser: I have one set up as a media server, it maxes out at about 2MB/s
[2:47] <OffensiveUser> maybe i'll use it for like icecast
[2:48] <OffensiveUser> have my own internet radio
[2:48] <OffensiveUser> then i can be a dj
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[2:48] <OffensiveUser> though idk if many people would enjoy whateverthefuckthisis.fm
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[2:55] <shiftplusone> OffensiveUser, given the name there's probably little point saying this, but tone down the language.
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[2:58] <OffensiveUser> shiftplusone, o sure thing
[2:58] <OffensiveUser> I'm not actually an offensiveuser
[2:58] <shiftplusone> thanks
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[2:59] <OffensiveUser> in hexchat when you set autoreplace does it replace it for just me or for everyone?
[3:00] <shiftplusone> the
[3:00] <shiftplusone> just typed 'teh'
[3:00] <shiftplusone> seemed to be a default thing
[3:00] <OffensiveUser> yeah it is
[3:00] <OffensiveUser> I just filtered frick
[3:00] <OffensiveUser> that should say frick
[3:00] <OffensiveUser> does it
[3:01] <shiftplusone> yeah
[3:01] <OffensiveUser> cool
[3:02] <OffensiveUser> time to read up on this to see if I should use wildcards as well
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[3:18] <dibblego> I am trying to get a rpi2 to boot with any image. From my reading, if I understand right, I must take an older image, boot in on an earlier rpi, then upgrade the firmware. Am I understanding this correctly? Also, is there simply an image somewhere that I can download and get working with now?
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[3:19] <ShorTie> apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade should fix it up
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[3:20] <dibblego> ShorTie: thanks, am I right in my understanding? That I should do this on an older rpi running an image (to give it ARMv7 support)?
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[3:21] <dibblego> also, I think I need to do > sudo rpi-update
[3:22] <ShorTie> yes to older pi, don't think i'd mess with rpi-update
[3:22] <dibblego> ok cheers
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[3:28] <kisak> okay, assuming everything compiled like it should, I'm ready to do a custom net-install with noobs when the RPi2 arrives in the mail (weak yay)
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[3:31] <promet> methuzla, thanks!
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[3:38] <steve_rox> i forgot usb max voltage again
[3:39] <steve_rox> 5.2 i think
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[3:47] <piratejon> do i buy the codecs for RPi2 from the same site as the original? (http://www.raspberrypi.com/) site/store seems not to mention the new hardware update
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[3:57] <shiftplusone> piratejon, yes
[3:57] <steve_rox> 5.25 i think
[3:57] <steve_rox> usb v
[3:58] <steve_rox> interesting thing is when i take readings of a standard pc it dont even read 5
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[4:46] <teknic111> I think I found a bug with the pi 2 and raspbian. When the raspian is set to portrait mode, there are graphical glitches galore! This is the result...http://i.imgur.com/nGg4oI7.jpg
[4:47] <teknic111> Can someone else confirm if this happens on their pi as well?
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[5:18] <riq_> Hey, I found how to cross-compile for ARMv6 (Raspberry Pi 1), but I couldn't find a the toolchain for ARMv7 (Raspberry Pi 2). Any idea from where can I get it? Thanks!
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[5:21] <shiftplusone> just specify the correct cflags
[5:22] <riq_> shiftplusone sorry, do you mean that this toolchain generates ARMv7 with the correct flags? https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[5:25] <acidjazz> so whats goin on w/ the pi 2 and power
[5:26] <acidjazz> why am i getting random kernel panics
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[5:26] <Ullarah> acidjazz, Probably too little amperage on your power supply.
[5:27] <acidjazz> too much?
[5:27] <acidjazz> never had issues w/ the 1
[5:27] <Ullarah> As long as you have 5v and a minimum of 2A you should be fine.
[5:27] <acidjazz> ugh kernel panics all over
[5:27] <Ullarah> Either that or it could be a corrupted image, or a bad SD card.
[5:28] <Ullarah> If you change all three and are still getting issues, and nobody else is having them, then it's most likely your board.
[5:28] <acidjazz> gonna give it a self-powered hub
[5:28] <acidjazz> and see
[5:29] <acidjazz> bah instant kernel panic
[5:31] <acidjazz> ok so "unable to handler kernel NULL pointer derefence at virtaul address 000000000003
[5:31] <acidjazz> bunch of crap
[5:31] <acidjazz> then fixing recurisve fault but reboot is needed
[5:32] <acidjazz> this seems to happen after my rpi-update
[5:32] <acidjazz> and not before
[5:32] <acidjazz> yea maybe i shouldnt be doing the rpi-update.. maybe something bad is in there
[5:33] <SirLagz> rpi-update is baaaaad....mmmmkay
[5:34] <acidjazz> is it? am i rite?
[5:34] <SirLagz> it has bleeding edge stuff in it which may break your system
[5:34] <SirLagz> don't use it.
[5:34] <acidjazz> ok awesome
[5:35] <acidjazz> hopefully were right
[5:35] <SirLagz> rpi-update used to be useful for everyone, now it's just useful for devs
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[5:35] <Ullarah> If in doubt, download the pre-compiled binaries from here, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[5:36] <SirLagz> Raspbian has them all nicely packaged up nowadays
[5:37] <acidjazz> 7 hours old
[5:38] <Ullarah> Ha, I just realised that they have the quake3 repo.
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[6:04] <Stephini_> what are the little plastic headers on pc front panel cables called?
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[6:22] <steve_rox> supercaps power the rpi well :-D
[6:22] <abnormal> oh? link?
[6:23] <shiftplusone> Stephini_, "little plastic headers on the pc front panel cables"
[6:23] <steve_rox> i dont has link to my room
[6:23] <shiftplusone> or <type of pin> housing?
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[6:23] <steve_rox> least the rpi ent moaning about low power now
[6:23] <shiftplusone> 0.1" housing might be what you're after? I'm not sure what you're referring to.
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[6:38] <acidjazz> any idea anyone? https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8656/16630408932_7620102cee_o.jpg
[6:39] <teknic111> is this a fresh install?
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[6:42] <acidjazz> fresh and fine teknic111 until after rpi-update
[6:42] <teknic111> yeah, that's what broke it
[6:42] <teknic111> start from scatch again
[6:43] <abnormal> acidjazz, a fresh reflash the SD card wud fix that
[6:44] <acidjazz> abnormal: http://i.imgur.com/Hpq60L5.jpg
[6:44] <acidjazz> abnormal: i ahve 10 times
[6:44] <acidjazz> abnormal: its always fine
[6:44] <acidjazz> but i need to install an LCD driver
[6:44] <acidjazz> and that requires rpi-update
[6:45] <acidjazz> thats where shit breaks
[6:45] <teknic111> rpi-update gives you a very new alpha kernel with lots of bugs
[6:45] <acidjazz> https://github.com/notro/rpi-firmware
[6:45] <abnormal> ahh ok
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[6:45] <acidjazz> ^- my drivers
[6:45] <acidjazz> the command is this
[6:46] <acidjazz> pi@raspberrypi ~ $sudo REPO_URI=https://github.com/notro/rpi-firmware rpi-update
[6:46] <acidjazz> so whats this doing..setting my repo to that url and updating the kernel from there right
[6:46] <acidjazz> so maybe i can clone this repo.. and put in a more stable kernel?
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[8:33] <antoon> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[8:33] <antoon> oops
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[8:49] <shiftplusone> acidjazz, are you overclocking?
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[9:57] <thescatman_> ping
[9:57] <Bakura89> ding
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[10:12] <overrider> n
[10:13] <Bakura89> not much going on here for a channel beeing this big
[10:16] <shiftplusone> sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't
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[10:27] <thescatman_> Bakura89: most people here / on irc are US. it's night there
[10:29] <BurtyB> lies! :p
[10:30] <thescatman_> that's what i've found >_>
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[10:35] <thescatman_> does anyone know what the pins on the left are actually called? https://www.adafruit.com/images/230x173/1963-02.jpg
[10:35] <thescatman_> I need two to add a reset button to my pi
[10:36] <thescatman_> assuming it would work with a PC's reset button
[10:36] <SpeedEvil> 0.1" headers
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-x-40-Pin-Strip-PCB-STRAIGHT-Header-Pins-Coloured-0-1-2-54mm-Pin-Headers-/301098971432?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item461ae5b128
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> you snap two off
[10:38] <thescatman_> thanks!
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[10:41] <thescatman_> SpeedEvil: would this work? http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/maplin-2-way-01-inch-series-straight-pcb-latch-plug-header-rk65v
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> sure
[10:42] <Bakura89> thescatman_: work time in Norway :D
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> I don't know what the Pi reset button requires - I haven't looked into it - I'm assuming it's two suitable diameter 0.1" spaced holes.
[10:43] <thescatman_> that's what i was thinking of using
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> With enough clearnace round them for that and the plug to fit
[10:43] <thescatman_> http://www.lunashops.com/images/upload/Image/power-switch-cable-bw-1.jpg
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't even realise there was a reset connector :)
[10:43] <thescatman_> it seems like there's enough clearance, I'm just slightly worried about soldering it on :\
[10:44] <thescatman_> I think it's now
[10:44] <thescatman_> new*
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> Likely - I haven't paid as much attention to the 2 as I should - nothaving the budget for one.
[10:45] <thescatman_> :[
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[10:58] <thescatman_> Wow http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electronic-Parts-Pack-KIT-for-ARDUINO-component-Resistors-Switch-Button-HW-/221534752808?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3394801028
[10:58] <thescatman_> 2 birds with 1 stone, it's £1.50 more than buying two .1" headers :3
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[10:59] <ShorTie> dats not a bad price for all that
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[11:00] <thescatman_> considering I was thinking about buying this :L http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ELECTRONIC-COMPONENTS-DEVELOPMENT-KIT-1500-PCS-PCB-CAPACITORS-TRANSISTORS-IC-/151417641769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234131db29
[11:03] <thescatman_> I literally have no electronics kit, the only thing I have is a soldering iron atm. :/ so stocking up on a cheap breadboard and those electronics... brother can get hold of heatshrink, croc clips etc so that's helpful
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[11:13] <thescatman_> ShorTie: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360736049270 any idea what I would use that 'power supply' for? Confused what's the point of it
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[11:14] <arpi> the point of it is to get a mobile power supply that is harder/cheaper to fry than your microcontroller
[11:15] <thescatman_> Would that be relevant to me? my knowledge of electronics is pretty poor
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[11:16] <ShorTie> i would guess to supply power to the bread board without getting the power from the pi
[11:17] <ShorTie> nice thing depending on what your bread boarding
[11:17] <thescatman_> I was planning to use it for some simple electronics pi projects
[11:19] <ShorTie> do you have a bread board and dupot wires yet ??
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[11:20] <thescatman_> I literally have nothing apart from a cheapo soldering iron. Not even solder
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[11:21] <ShorTie> whelp, that and that other combined wouldn't be a bad starter kit then, imho
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[11:21] <ShorTie> even if you don't use the power supply right away, it's a nifty toy for the toy box
[11:22] <thescatman_> gotta go
[11:22] <cahbtexhuk> hi all
[11:22] <cahbtexhuk> I've got a really stupid question
[11:22] <ShorTie> mornin
[11:23] <ShorTie> only stupid question, is the 1 you don't ask, imho
[11:23] <cahbtexhuk> one of my coworkers went full retart and wired raspi to a 12v battery
[11:23] <cahbtexhuk> *retard
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[11:23] <ShorTie> time for a new 1 then i guess
[11:24] <cahbtexhuk> yeah... thing is, it's kinda working
[11:24] <cahbtexhuk> but something in power supply chain heats as hell
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[11:25] <cahbtexhuk> and I'm actually surprised, that it got fucked up, because there's a zener diode, according to schematics
[11:25] <ShorTie> sumfin got shorted it sounds like
[11:25] <ShorTie> now, now lets read the topic Pleaze !!
[11:26] <cahbtexhuk> I apologize, I learnt English through video games and action movies
[11:26] <cahbtexhuk> it had it's impact
[11:27] <ShorTie> yup, do agree those are bad roll models
[11:30] <cahbtexhuk> btw, one thing that I couldn't find in google
[11:30] <cahbtexhuk> probably because I google the wrong thing
[11:30] <cahbtexhuk> running video subsystem increases the power consumption, right?
[11:31] <cahbtexhuk> if I set up raspian not to start in graphics mode - does that conserve power?
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[11:31] <ShorTie> basically, running any thing increases power consumption, SoC is a workin
[11:33] <ShorTie> don't think it would be that noticable of a difference
[11:33] <ShorTie> once it's started that is
[11:35] <cahbtexhuk> I just want to set up a smart home/security system on a raspi (predictable, isn't it?), but my property has a prepay electricity meter and sometimes I'm not too carefull with managing the credit
[11:35] <thescatman_> ShorTie: I've heard of a lot of people killing their Pi using the GPIO (or just killing the GPIO?), is that from accidentally putting power into the GPIO or something?
[11:35] <cahbtexhuk> and sometimes it runs out
[11:35] <cahbtexhuk> and I wanna monitor if power went down and have an emergency power supply for the thing
[11:36] <thescatman_> cahbtexhuk: how did I never think of doing an electricity meter money monitor... I have the same issue
[11:37] <ShorTie> or something, mostly not being carefull enough i would guess
[11:37] <ShorTie> back feeding power in is bad!!
[11:37] <ShorTie> gpio connections should be made with power off
[11:37] <thescatman_> ah ok
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[11:39] <ShorTie> how long do you want this to run off of battery backup ??
[11:41] <ShorTie> if you can get actual usage
[11:41] <ShorTie> you know how much your buying
[11:41] <ShorTie> then you could do sumfin like
[11:42] <ShorTie> if ( usage = 80% of buy ), then text me to go buy more
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[11:45] <cahbtexhuk> I don't thin I can monitor my meter directly, I just want to have a notification system of "dang, power went down"
[11:45] <thescatman_> ShorTie: How would you connect that to the meter though O.o
[11:45] <cahbtexhuk> some meters have zigbee
[11:46] <cahbtexhuk> actually, I need to check mine
[11:48] <ShorTie> directly to meter, don't know, that would be up to the meter if posible
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[11:48] <SpeedEvil> cahbtexhuk: Does it have a display?
[11:48] <SpeedEvil> Point a webcam at it?
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> Idid a very simple and stupid thing with mplayer to do that.
[11:49] <cahbtexhuk> 1. too much overkill
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> Get mplayer to output a 1*1 pixel 'video' stream.
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> This was really easy to process to detect 'flashes' from the meter.
[11:49] <cahbtexhuk> 2. meter is in communal space and I'd really hate to place anything there
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:50] <ShorTie> there are devices you could add to monitor it real time, but that would be messing with the main power and beyound our talks here
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Do you have an incoming breaker /fusepanel in your flat?
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[11:50] <cahbtexhuk> yes, I do, but meters are really waaaaay behind it
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xowl+meter.TRS0&_nkw=owl+meter&_sacat=0
[11:50] <ShorTie> or kinda beyound
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> This will give you XML-like outputs when clipped over a wire in the breaker panel. If you can access the appropriate wire - live or neutral of the incoming wire - then this works well
[11:51] <cahbtexhuk> oh
[11:51] <cahbtexhuk> oooooh
[11:51] <cahbtexhuk> that's awesome
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> <msg><src>CC128-v1.29</src><dsb>01433</dsb><time>00:28:19</time><tmpr>16.8</tmpr><sensor>0</sensor><id>03750</id><type>1</type><ch1><watts>00327</watts></ch1></msg>
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> for example
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> the temperature at the monitoring thing is 16.8 and the power usage of the house is 327W
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> It's been 1433 days since install, and I haven't set the time properly after the last power-cut
[11:54] <cahbtexhuk> btw, any suggestions on off-the-shelf wireless light switches that don't require 100$> gateway to control them with custom hardware?
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> really handy for stupid stuff like 'when did I turn the washing machine on'
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> cahbtexhuk: ESP8266 modules are likely to mean that these are going to come out in the next month or so
[11:55] <ShorTie> nifty device SpeedEvil
[11:56] <cahbtexhuk> not really, I'm talking about stuff like LightwaveRF etc
[11:56] <cahbtexhuk> insurance companies don't like custom uncertified hardware
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> I know - but you can make a wireless light-switch with a 3.3V PSU, a transistor, a solid state relay, and an ESP8266 module and a lightswitch box
[11:57] <cahbtexhuk> well, actually they do, because it's a great excuse, when something goes wrong
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[12:35] <thescatman_> ShorTie / SpeedEvil super basic electronics kit, anything you think I'm missing? http://www.ebay.co.uk/cln/annaihalation/Electronics-kit-needed/182884496012
[12:36] <thescatman_> (I have nothing but a soldering iron and I can get hold of a multimeter)
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[12:37] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/600-Pcs-1-4w-1-Metal-Film-Resistor-Kit-30-Values-Assortment-Pack-Mix-Selection-/310720914958?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item485868e60e
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> is probably reasonable to add
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[12:38] <thescatman_> I'm still not sure if I should dump that kit with the power supply, and get a pack of those cables instead because I'm not sure if I need it
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[12:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31584546
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[12:38] <SpeedEvil> ihttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-LCD-Multimeter-Ammeter-Voltmeter-Power-AC-DC-Meter-Voltage-Tester-/121112452327?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c32dd5ce7 also
[12:38] <thescatman_> SpeedEvil: what's wrong with the resistors in the collection? not enough?
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> thescatman_: they are a very narrow slection
[12:39] <thescatman_> ok, i'll add those in
[12:40] <thescatman_> Wow that's cheap. thought they were more like £15. added
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> RaTTuS|BIG: In principle not insane - the ESP8266 may slice out a goodly deal of that though - depending on price.
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> A tiny production board at $10 with low-power, more IO than the ESP, would be very interesting
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESP8266-Serial-WIFI-Wireless-TransceiveR-Module-Send-Receive-LWIP-AP-STA-FT-/221660012519?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339bf75fe7 - as mentioned
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> This is a little processor that you can run your own code on, and supports wifi.
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> It's very limited in GPIO - especially this variant, but is very, very cheap. It really needs ideally a larger system - like the Pi to talk to to do much stuff - if you don't want to let it have access to a central server on the proper internet somewhere
[12:43] <arpi> if that's for real, then it's just dirt cheap
[12:44] <arpi> a bang for a buck
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> It is - that's not even the cheapest you can get them
[12:45] <thescatman_> The boxed kit will be manufactured by another company, Freescale. The price has yet to be set, but ARM said it should be somewhere between $50 (£32) and $200.
[12:46] <thescatman_> doesn't seem *that* cheap to me :/
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Well - it depends.
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> It's cheap for a dev-board if you're then going to make your own whatever
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> And build 10K of them
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> It's not cheap if you want something to build into every light-switch as a turnkey solution
[12:47] <BurtyB> SpeedEvil, flashing them to run lua (nodemcu) makes it easier to use without the pi too :)
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> Yes - the existing firmware is 'junk'
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> It is a serial-wifi gateway - which while not useless is meh. You can run whatever code you want on there - webservers, e-ink drivers, ...
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> It is a very useful platform to connect random sensors to a Pi or somethig.
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> Rather than always having to run wires.
[12:49] <PigFlu> Hey, i am trying to run this example: https://github.com/brouberol/Gstreamer-webcam-tool but i'm getting this error: http://pastebin.com/4L4HQVdY
[12:49] <PigFlu> does anyone know what could be wrong?
[12:49] <arpi> and it runs w/o any encryption so... :)
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> arpi: It does WPA2 without issue
[12:49] <PigFlu> i have v4l2..
[12:49] <arpi> oh really? i am impressed!
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[12:50] <Serus> hello
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[12:53] <Serus> Hasn't raspbian been getting updates for a while? Or is it just Debian out-of-date-ness?
[12:55] <cehteh> i getting updates here regulary
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[13:04] <thescatman_> Serus: you can manually update raspbian
[13:07] <Serus> I'll install FreeBSD
[13:10] <Serus> or wait
[13:10] <Serus> it barely has packages
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[13:12] <Serus> oh wait, old website
[13:13] <thescatman_> SpeedEvil: would you add anything else to the list? http://www.ebay.co.uk/cln/annaihalation/Electronics-kit-needed/182884496012
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[13:22] <PigFlu> https://github.com/thaytan/gst-rpicamsrc
[13:22] <PigFlu> how do i install this?
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[13:23] <cehteh> PigFlu: did you read the text there?
[13:23] <PigFlu> yea, but i'm a total noob. how do i get the files
[13:25] <cehteh> y adding to your apt sources.list:
[13:25] <cehteh> deb http://vontaene.de/raspbian-updates/ . main
[13:25] <cehteh> did that?
[13:26] <PigFlu> deb: command not found
[13:26] <cehteh> after that git clone https://github.com/thaytan/gst-rpicamsrc.git
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[13:26] <cehteh> uhm you have to add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:27] <cehteh> please read carefully and try to understand
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[13:28] <cehteh> i'll only give some hints and cant show you every single step, have other things to do
[13:29] <cehteh> you have to figure out how to edit files and install software :D
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[13:31] <PigFlu> ./autogen.sh: 6: ./autogen.sh: autoreconf: not found
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[13:32] <cehteh> install it :)
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/210Pcs-25-Value-0-1uF-220uF-Electrolytic-Capacitors-Assortment-Kit-Set-LS4G-/130981226361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e7f16e779
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1000-Pcs-50-Values-Ceramic-Disc-Capacitors-Kits-New-/320656241786?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4aa899f47a
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> is probably reasonable too
[13:33] <PigFlu> E: Unable to locate package autoreconf
[13:33] <PigFlu> i'm really bad at this..
[13:33] <cehteh> but you wont learn it when i do it for you
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[13:35] <cehteh> run aptitude as root (i hope you dont do anything else as root :D)
[13:35] <cehteh> since you added something to the sources.list you need to update .. and install the gst-dev stuff anyway (as written on that page)
[13:36] <cehteh> further you need automake, autoconf, gcc .. and prolly much more
[13:37] <PigFlu> no, i just installed dh-autoreconf, seems to be working now
[13:37] <cehteh> you can try to grab a whole lore of dependencies with aptitude build-dep gst-1,0 (or similar, i dont know the exact name i havent enabled the gstreamer stuff)
[13:37] <PigFlu> i have a lot of that stuff from before
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[13:37] <cehteh> ok
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[13:37] <cehteh> just work your way .. when you see an error figure out why it happend and install the dependency or whatever is needed
[13:38] <Techedemic> cehteh --- would 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' not cover all of the build requirements?
[13:38] <cehteh> i have no ideas what that package he tries to install needs
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[13:39] <cehteh> at least it certainly needs gstreamer stuff which is not in build-essential
[13:39] <PigFlu> now i got this: http://pastebin.com/dPSXFWJ6
[13:39] <PigFlu> but i already have that stuff
[13:40] <cehteh> you need the -dev packages
[13:40] <cehteh> not just the libraries
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[13:41] <cehteh> when you just added the line to sources.list above you need to run an update
[13:41] <cehteh> aptitude update; aptitude install libgstreamer1.0-dev
[13:41] <cehteh> (or is it libgst1.0-dev? .. figure)
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[13:42] <cehteh> doin an aptitude upgrade may be required too (and put omxplayer on hold, or is the subtitles bug fixed meanwhile? :D)
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[13:43] <thomas_r> hi, so wildly crazy question - would it be possible to use a pi2 to power an old laptop - rip out the motherboard etc and just shove a pi2 in there?
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> In theory, yes.
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> In practice - you don't want to do that.
[13:44] <thomas_r> i guess powering the pi2 would be easy compared to an old laptop battery, but communicating with the screen would be the decider?
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> It's less insane than it was than the Pi1.
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> You will generally need a HDMI-> LVDS adaptor
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[13:45] <thomas_r> well... pi2 / odroid device of some sort i guess?
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> A charge controller for the battery you use, a charger for the battery you use, interface to the keyboard through lots of GPIO (it may be USB if you're lucky)
[13:45] <thomas_r> lvds?
[13:45] <cehteh> i have some old laptop in the cellar wiich is much slower than the pi :)
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> the LCD 'standard' used on laptop LCDs.
[13:45] <thomas_r> well i guess at a push, i could rip out the kb, and shove something in there
[13:45] <cehteh> not that much standard that its easy to convert
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> (it's not standard in terms of pinout, so you will at a very minimum need a breakout board)
[13:46] <thomas_r> i'm not too worried about cutting up the case i guess
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> And you will need a LCD inverter, or power converter for the backlight.
[13:46] <thomas_r> damn
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> It's one of those things that is technically feasible in the same way that you can make a mini into a submarine.
[13:46] <cehteh> would be easier to get an old C64 case and hook a rpi insude
[13:46] <thomas_r> hehe
[13:47] <thomas_r> they've done that in cbase in berlin
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[13:47] <thomas_r> well, shoved an old pc motherboard in there like 7 years ago
[13:47] <thomas_r> but recycling this old laptop that's just collecting dust kinda appeals
[13:48] <cehteh> is it damaged?
[13:48] <thomas_r> no
[13:48] <cehteh> then just use it as is
[13:48] <pksato> old laptop can be have a ttl lcd interface, gerts VGA can be drive. after some SW hack.
[13:48] <thomas_r> i think the case is cracked in the corner, but that's about it. but it weighs about 5x more than my current laptop
[13:48] <thomas_r> it's from 1999 or so
[13:48] <cehteh> this cellar laptop i have is a single core Pentium III 600mhz and maxed out at 256MB ram
[13:49] <cehteh> i had some old IDE ssd laying around stuffed that in there
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[13:49] <thomas_r> i'm not sure if it's a 450mhz, or if it's breaking 1ghz
[13:49] <cehteh> building a recent kernel took 15 hours or so
[13:50] <cehteh> but with zswap and ssd for simple work, mp3 playing, controlling electronics in the cellar, flashing microcontroller it all works amazingly fine
[13:50] <pksato> the big problem is lack of documentation of LCD panel.
[13:50] <thomas_r> i would even be up for replacing the screen with something lighter
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[13:51] <thomas_r> the case is pretty thick, so plenty of space to work and hide new things
[13:51] <cehteh> remove the screen lid altogether and use it as tabletop computer with a monitor
[13:51] <thomas_r> so, the laptop would just be... a case ;)
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[13:51] <thomas_r> a touchscreen would be fun
[13:51] <cehteh> finding and connecting a laptop screen will prolly not be worth it
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[13:52] <thomas_r> yeah, the pins and power would be the worse part
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[13:53] <cehteh> mhm laptop without lid, big ssd, rpi, video goggles ..
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[13:53] <cehteh> big battery ... endless fun on long train rides
[13:53] <cehteh> and no one notice you watching pr0n
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[13:53] <thomas_r> oculus rift is still al ong way away
[13:54] <thomas_r> i'd rather use it to play games
[13:54] <thomas_r> chuck something more powerful than a pi in there
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[13:56] <thomas_r> http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/pi-top-the-3d-printable-raspberry-pi-laptop-anyone-can-build/
[13:56] <thomas_r> cool idea, but 160 hours to print? damn!
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[13:57] <perkan> how to setup resolution on pi 2?
[13:57] <thomas_r> http://marutan.net/comp/pibook/ - but cooling would be an issue
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[14:14] <ozzzy> here's an off-topicish question... why can't I write to a cifs share... the perms say I should be able to but not even sudo allows me
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[14:18] <Bakura89> ozzzy: have you checked that you enabled write access on windows side?
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[14:19] <ozzzy> it's never been a problem between windows machines... lemme go check =)
[14:20] <ozzzy> well by gum.... tks
[14:20] <Bakura89> if windows machines have the same username then they are probably using user set permissions? (just throwing out ideas)
[14:20] * ozzzy scratches his head how'd that change
[14:20] <Bakura89> nice
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[14:21] <ozzzy> well.. that didn't help [hmmph]
[14:21] <Serus> is weechat 1.x finally on raspbian?
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[14:28] <ozzzy> that fixed it
[14:28] <thomas_r> " One of the chips on the exposed computer's circuit board seems to be sensitive to light and poorly shielded, so when the camera's flash triggers, it causes the entire device to crash." - is this true with pi2?
[14:28] <Serus> yeah
[14:29] <Serus> I've seen a video of it
[14:29] <thomas_r> http://uk.businessinsider.com/raspberry-pi-2-camera-flash-glitch-turns-off-2015-2?r=US
[14:29] <ozzzy> why would the 'read-only' attribute be set on the damned thing
[14:29] <ozzzy> bloody windows
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[14:31] <thescatman__> thomas_r: it's a non-issue though apart from using as an experiment
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[14:36] <Peio> i'm pretty sure people in #raspberrypi know about a 2 weeks old news that got posted on every single website ever
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[15:00] <ozzzy> 100 buckets of bits on the bus,
[15:00] <ozzzy> 100 buckets of bits,
[15:00] <ozzzy> Take one down, short it to ground,
[15:00] <ozzzy> FF buckets of bits on the bus.
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[15:04] <canton7> heh
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[15:14] <jamesd_> ozzzy: hey slow it down, its only a usb2.0 bus.
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[15:14] <ozzzy> hehe
[15:16] <ozzzy> hmmm... rpis dont use uuids
[15:17] <jamesd_> YEAH!!!! i feel better about my pi already.
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[15:22] <Stephini_> shiftplusone, it turns out dupont conector was what i was after. thanx for tryina help though.
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[15:25] <shiftplusone> Stephini_, would've been able to tell you that if you had a picture =P. I thought you were just after the housing to roll your own connector
[15:26] <shiftplusone> whatcha doing anyway?
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[15:29] <Tenkawa> hi all
[15:30] <Bakura89> o/
[15:30] <Tenkawa> anyone heard any new news on a beta/alpha date for windows 10 tech preview on the pi yet?
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[15:30] <Tenkawa> havent read my iot updates lately
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[15:33] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa, pretty sure it will show up on the windowsondevices website when there's anything new
[15:33] <Tenkawa> good point
[15:33] <Tenkawa> I'm looking forward to it personally
[15:34] <Tenkawa> maybe if it goes well it will convince microsoft to use arm more
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[15:35] <Armand> Tenkawa: Not sure if that qualifies as a good thing...
[15:36] <Tenkawa> Armand: why not?
[15:36] <Tenkawa> more cpu types the better
[15:37] <Armand> No trust in MS, I guess. :/
[15:37] <Tenkawa> ah
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[15:41] <Armand> Tenkawa: I've moved away from MS, especially after the farce that is Win8. Do not like. :/
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[15:44] <TheLostAdmin> Armand, MS figured that out and has moved on to Win9.
[15:44] <Armand> 10.. ? lol
[15:44] <TheLostAdmin> That too, probably. But they are still trying to get me off of Win7.
[15:45] <Armand> I bought my wife a Win8 laptop and instantly hated it.. except the price. :P
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[15:45] <Armand> I still use Win7 at home, but I need to play my games, right? :D
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[15:46] <TheLostAdmin> Only if you can get the games to run on Raspberry Pi
[15:46] <Armand> lol
[15:46] <Armand> I play a few Steam games at work, but needs moar.
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[15:47] <IT_Sean> Win 10 on the Pi seems kinda pointless to me. It'll only run stuff thats designed for Arm7. So... basically... Mobile apps and the like.
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[15:47] <mortal> IT_Sean: does it have the store
[15:47] <Armand> IT_Sean: I can't really see it going far.. I think it's another "Me too" gesture from MS.
[15:47] <shiftplusone> I think it's meant to be more like an arduino sort of thing
[15:47] <TheLostAdmin> Haven't you heard? Mobile is where it's at. The desktop is dead, the laptop is dying. Pay attention man!
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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[15:48] * Armand palms TheLostAdmin's face
[15:48] <MY123> http://hpics.li/77e4dd0 : or how Windows RT looks
[15:48] <tacoexe> desktops are for work and play, not th everyday man
[15:48] <MY123> over a remote Pi
[15:48] <MY123> (with HW acceleration[KVM])
[15:48] <ozzzy> work and play are all there is
[15:48] <TheLostAdmin> There, see Taco agrees.
[15:48] <Armand> MY123: That can't be Windows.. Looks like an error screen! :P
[15:49] <MY123> Armand, yes
[15:49] <tacoexe> I ONLY use windows for gaming//// ONLY gaming
[15:49] <IT_Sean> Besides... I've used Windows 10. It's rubbish.
[15:49] <MY123> Armand: That is with the VersatilePB config.
[15:49] <Armand> tacoexe: Indeed. :)
[15:49] <tacoexe> err gaming, photoshop, autocad etc.
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[15:49] <ozzzy> IT_Sean, my biz partner rather likes it
[15:49] <tacoexe> sadly any non programming design i have to do in windows...
[15:49] <shiftplusone> Breaking news: Some things not for everybody D=
[15:49] <ozzzy> games are a waste of cpu cycles
[15:50] <IT_Sean> Windows is a waste of CPU cycles.
[15:50] * Armand cuffs ozzzy aggressively
[15:50] <MY123> Apparently,
[15:50] <MY123> SD: CMD13 in a wrong state
[15:50] <MY123> SD: CMD17 in a wrong state
[15:50] <MY123> SD: Unknown CMD1
[15:50] <MY123> SD: CMD2 in a wrong state
[15:50] <MY123> SD: Unknown CMD1
[15:50] <MY123> SD: CMD2 in a wrong state
[15:50] <MY123> SD: Unknown CMD1
[15:50] <MY123> SD: CMD2 in a wrong state
[15:50] <MY123> SD: Unknown CMD1
[15:50] <MY123> SD: CMD2 in a wrong state
[15:50] <shiftplusone> NOPs are a waste of cpu cycles. >.>
[15:50] <ozzzy> NOPS are your friend
[15:50] <MY123> so I know where the UEFI fails on my Pi2
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[15:51] <shiftplusone> what the hell doees uefi have to do with the pi?
[15:51] <IT_Sean> MY123: easy on the flood there.
[15:51] <MY123> shiftplusone: Pipeline conditions can eat much more cycles
[15:51] <MY123> shiftplusone: I'm porting UEFI to the Pi2
[15:51] <shiftplusone> w...why?
[15:51] <Armand> Kill it! Before it breeds!!
[15:52] * Armand dives for cover
[15:52] * IT_Sean kills it with fire
[15:52] <MY123> shiftplusone: for Windows RT :-)
[15:52] <shiftplusone> I've voted for banning MY123 from programming a long time ago, but you people wouldn't listen.
[15:52] <shiftplusone> Now look at what he's doing.
[15:52] <tacoexe> lolol
[15:52] <tacoexe> kill it before it breeds
[15:53] <MY123> shiftplusone: And I have a full Xen running
[15:53] <MY123> on the RPi2
[15:54] <shiftplusone> woo... boarding in half an hour... airports are fun.
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[15:54] <IT_Sean> where too this time?
[15:54] <shiftplusone> back to miserable UK
[15:54] <IT_Sean> awe :(
[15:54] * ozzzy worked as an air traffic controller for 30 years... there's no way you'd get HIM on an airplane
[15:54] <MY123> shiftplusone: For drivers , porting parts of the Tegra3 Qemu target is the best way(even if I have Visual Studio 2013)
[15:55] <MY123> with the WFK
[15:55] <MY123> *WDK
[15:55] <shiftplusone> MY123, what about all the USB fun stuff?
[15:55] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, got some fun horror stories to keep my mind occupied?
[15:55] <MY123> shiftplusone: I port circle or CSUD to the hypervisor as it's running to the VM
[15:55] <shiftplusone> ah
[15:56] <shiftplusone> hmm... not sure i'd trust either of those to handle anything serious
[15:56] <ozzzy> Castlegar this is [deleted]... guess who?.... [airport lighting drops] aircraft calling Castlegar guess where?
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[15:56] <MY123> shiftplusone: My goal is to get WinDbg working
[15:57] <ozzzy> man I screwed that up
[15:57] <ozzzy> LOL
[15:57] <IT_Sean> ozzzy: LOL
[15:57] <ozzzy> but that was the gist
[15:57] <MY123> (I don't have SecureBoot issues to deal about unlike other RT devices)
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[15:59] <MY123> shiftplusone, or an USB passthrough with a second VM running GNU/Linux
[15:59] <MY123> shiftplusone, I also wrote a small layer which permits booting Pi1 kernels on Pi2 if the caches are disabled
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[16:00] <TheLostAdmin> Pi2!!!! I just got my Pi B (or B+, not sure) working.
[16:01] <TheLostAdmin> I can't afford another $35. Those things are expensive.
[16:01] <MY123> TheLostAdmin, how much USB ports?
[16:01] <TheLostAdmin> 2
[16:01] <IT_Sean> that's a B then.
[16:01] <MY123> TheLostAdmin, so you have a Pi 1 model B
[16:01] <TheLostAdmin> okay
[16:02] <TheLostAdmin> Mostly it just sits there on the shelf with a little light on.
[16:02] <MY123> TheLostAdmin, so you missed all the USB impovements
[16:02] <TheLostAdmin> Other than when I did the initial config to get it on the network, I don't use the USB ports.
[16:03] * Bilby also has a Pi1-B
[16:03] <shiftplusone> TheLostAdmin, if it's not doing anything, it will probably sit just as well as a pi2 would.
[16:03] * IT_Sean has two Pi 1s, an A and a B
[16:03] <Bilby> it's a perfectly usable little gadget, and depending on what you're using it for, the + or 2 is no more functional *shrug*
[16:04] <TheLostAdmin> it does stuff; just not visible stuff (most of the time).
[16:04] <TheLostAdmin> Currently it's my always-on remote access into my home network device.
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[16:05] <TheLostAdmin> And my, where am I going to install LibreOffice for those few times when I need it because I really should have got more than 128GB on my Netbook.
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[16:10] <ozzzy> any good stress-testing utilities out there?
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[16:11] <TheLostAdmin> 1GB of ram and a quad core. It's going to need a heat sink and a cooling fan soon.
[16:11] <ozzzy> why
[16:11] <Stephini_> shiftplusone, what'm I doin? I'm building an NES-pi with full front/back pannel support. :P
[16:11] <thescatman_> TheLostAdmin: I need a heatsink for mine
[16:11] <thescatman_> looking at somehow adding a cooling fan too
[16:11] <thescatman_> except I like silence to much
[16:11] <thescatman_> too*
[16:12] <shiftplusone> Stephini_, excellent
[16:12] <Stephini_> hello thescatman
[16:12] <thescatman_> hey Stephini_
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[16:12] <Stephini_> never see anyone from one of my channels in one of my others. :P
[16:12] <thescatman_> A retropie NES-pi? hehe
[16:13] <shiftplusone> Stephini_, you're clearly in the wrong channels.
[16:13] <Stephini_> i'm calling it the REC(Retro Emulation Center, Complete with stenciled rebranding when i'm done)
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[16:13] <thescatman_> Stephini_: no, you're doing it all wrong
[16:14] <Stephini_> shiftplusone, atari, diy, kodi, here, retroarch and retropie. :P
[16:14] <Stephini_> thescatman_, i read that in a george carlin voice
[16:14] <thescatman_> You should be painting it black, then adding voice support, only for the command "Open the pod bay doors, hal"
[16:14] <Stephini_> "I can not do that dave."
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[16:15] <Stephini_> yeah i really don't want a console that won't listen to me.
[16:15] <thescatman_> Put a nice LED on it too. Then it can only respond with "I'm sorry, I can't let you do that dave"
[16:15] <thescatman_> Damn it, now I have another project I want to do :[
[16:15] <Stephini_> lolz have fun pal.
[16:16] <MY123> A fanless Core i3 is possible
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[16:16] <thescatman_> that's easy MY123
[16:16] <MY123> (stable for 3 weeks here with a heatsink)
[16:16] <Stephini_> wait i'm, can't? HAL didn't and couldn't speak in abreviations could he?
[16:16] <shiftplusone> blowing on it really hard?
[16:16] <thescatman_> I thought he could
[16:16] <MY123> shiftplusone, 70 degrees Celsius now
[16:17] <shiftplusone> blow harder
[16:17] <Stephini_> thescatman_, i could have sworn he could only speak in full english that that was part of how they made him feel computery.
[16:17] <Armand> Stephini_: Data wouldn't use contractions.
[16:17] <MY123> shiftplusone, I already ran a UEFI build on it
[16:17] <MY123> shiftplusone, my model has 15W TDP
[16:17] <Stephini_> Armand, yes i know this but lore could. :P good noticing wesley
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[16:17] <Armand> ;)
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[16:18] <thescatman_> Stephini_: apparently he can https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qnd-hdmgfk
[16:19] <thescatman_> MY123: T or mobile series i3?
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[16:19] <Stephini_> huh. well i haven't seen it in YEARS. :P
[16:19] <MY123> thescatman_: Mobile series i3
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[16:19] <MY123> I will not ever try this on a 85W Core i5 :-)
[16:20] <thescatman_> MY123: it's totally doable
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[16:20] <thescatman_> I've built a fanless i5 build before
[16:20] <thescatman_> if you have a graphics card though it's a different story
[16:20] <Armand> Eeewww
[16:21] <taza> A fanless i5 isn't even difficult
[16:21] <taza> You just need a 1kg heat sink
[16:21] <thescatman_> pretty much.
[16:21] <thescatman_> something with a ton of fins
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[16:22] <Bilby> Any of you see that british fellow's insanely quiet gaming rig?
[16:22] <thescatman_> oh, who?
[16:22] <Armand> I don't do "silent", so.. No. :P
[16:22] <hilake> I guess water cooling is useless without fans
[16:22] <Armand> hilake: No
[16:23] <Armand> WC has a better capacity, even passively cooled.
[16:23] <thescatman_> hilake: it's fine without fns, you're still putting it through a rad, it just works a lot better with some low RPM ones
[16:23] <thescatman_> fans*
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[16:23] <Bilby> thescatman_ - http://youtu.be/RZoX7glIAS4
[16:23] <thescatman_> takes a lot longer to heat the water up too so it's more smooth temps, longer to get hot
[16:24] <Bilby> Youtube channel "DIY Perks"
[16:24] <thescatman_> :l
[16:24] <Bilby> he essentially rebuilt a case to be as heat efficient as possible for air-cooling
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[16:25] <Bilby> the follow-up video he uses a studio mic to compare the noise of the computer to things like an external drive starting up, drops of water in a glass, craziness
[16:25] <thescatman_> Stephini_ : I'm stuck between 3 projects at the moment
[16:25] <Armand> Bilby: I'm doing some research myself, for case building. Once I move house, I'll start making complete cases.
[16:25] <Bilby> awesome
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[16:25] <Bilby> def link us in here when you do :D
[16:25] <Stephini_> thescatman_, what are they?
[16:25] <Bilby> oop, gotta run bbl
[16:25] <Armand> .o/
[16:26] <thescatman_> getting the pi 2 to ~1200MHz and not being hot enough to fry an egg on... (and getting a 50% overclock on the gpu)
[16:26] <thescatman_> doing some dry ice cooling (I have the copper tube and cap, I just need a co2 fire extinguisher to make it)
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[16:27] <thescatman_> aaaand I literally just forgot the other one lol. it will come to me in a minute :L
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[16:34] <thescatman_> Bilby: it's an interesting design but it seems totally overegineered and could have been done far easier and probably better
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[16:35] <thescatman_> His voice is really irritating
[16:38] <thescatman_> towels will gather dust, no matter what he says he basically has powered electronics in a... towel....
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[16:42] <thescatman_> Stephini_: Oh I remembered the other project - I want to power a pi using tin foil and activated charcoal
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[16:46] <holgersson> Hello everyone!
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[16:48] <holgersson> I have a RPi B+ here with Gentoo and now™ it fails to boot. I updated the kernel and I run 'tune2fs -O dir_index' to the root partition; even a copy of the backed up older kernel modules and boot files won't fix it.
[16:48] <holgersson> Is the RPI B+ incapable of ext4 with dir_index active?
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[16:49] <holgersson> (The files in /boot are from the official firmware repo at github.)
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[16:53] <ShorTie> never had much luck getting Gentoo to compile a good kernel on the rpi, hope you made a backup
[16:54] <holgersson> I re-copied the RUNNING backup -.-
[16:54] <TheLostAdmin> Since we seam to have an active bunch of raspberrians here. What OS should I put on my 2nd RPi (model 1 B)?
[16:55] <holgersson> ShorTie: If you go strictly after the instructions here you'll get one running^^
[16:55] <holgersson> TheLostAdmin: If you like some PITA use gentoo - it's as awesome as on real PCs! :)
[16:55] <Armand> holgersson: LFS
[16:56] <ShorTie> i'd sorrta go with raspbian
[16:56] <TheLostAdmin> I would prefer to avoid PITA or I would already have FreeBSD running on it.
[16:56] <holgersson> (glibc and gcc build each in about 22h AFAIR.)
[16:56] <IT_Sean> I'd second the recommendation for raspbian
[16:56] <TheLostAdmin> Raspbian is on the first one. Speaking of which, how do I ask Raspbian "what packages are available for updates"?
[16:56] <holgersson> The raspbian seems to be supported mostly in HowTos etc.
[16:57] <holgersson> TheLostAdmin: I guess apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[16:57] <IT_Sean> that will actually DO the update. I think what TheLostAdmin is asing for is a list of what WOULD be updated if he did that.
[16:57] <ShorTie> i love Gentoo, but not so much on a pi, 2 days worth of compiling to have it fail and not boot, well is sortta not fun and gets old, for me atleast
[16:58] <TheLostAdmin> What IT_Sean said.
[16:58] <IT_Sean> No idea, TheLostAdmin, sorry.
[16:58] <TheLostAdmin> I want to stick it in a cron job so it tells me when things get out-of-date.
[16:58] <holgersson> IT_Sean, TheLostAdmin: Doesn't it ask you? Well, I don't like apt* anyway…
[16:58] <holgersson> ShorTie: normally it just runs
[16:59] <ShorTie> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -s
[16:59] <TheLostAdmin> Apt-get spits out a lot of crap about fetching things and such.
[16:59] <IT_Sean> what's the -s hook do, ShorTie?
[16:59] <ShorTie> symulate
[16:59] <IT_Sean> Oh.
[16:59] <ShorTie> do actually do
[16:59] <IT_Sean> looks like that is your answer, TheLostAdmin.
[16:59] <holgersson> TheLostAdmin: I guess you can make it quiet. I dislike the debian way 'install & start' instead of 'install' and start by hand.
[16:59] <ShorTie> s/do/don't/
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[17:03] <sauerkrause> you could always run gentoo and use distcc from your other computers to assist.
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[17:04] <sauerkrause> a core i7 makes short work of package sets that used to take 3+ hours to compile in 2005.
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[17:11] <TheLostAdmin> on a vaguely related note: I love websites that try to force you to login with javascript checks that prevent you from reading their forums/posts.
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[17:13] <Bilby> thescatman_ I agree on the voice thing, I think he's a bit like eevblog dave in that he's always at the high end of his register and it ends up annyoing
[17:13] <Bilby> The towel thing... is a bit wonky. I would have definitely done it differently. BUT the design is novel and is really really quiet
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[17:19] <holgersson> ShorTie: 'cause you said you weren't able to compile a kernel: https://paste.xinu.at/2dQ/ 10MB tar file containing the modules, the config and all my files in /boot.
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[17:19] <holgersson> My problem is solved: NEVER active dir_index at the RPI B+ :(
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[18:29] <horny-sama> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/2wyvdv/powered_usb_hub_help_with_usb_wireless_adapter/
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[18:31] <horny-sama> anyone?
[18:31] <IT_Sean> anyone what?
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[18:32] <kisak> it's too much hassle to rephrase the question whether a powered usb hub can improve throughput on a usb wifi adaptor
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[18:33] <horny-sama> IT_Sean:whether a powered usb hub can improve throughput on a usb wifi adaptor
[18:33] <horny-sama> kisak: thank for rephrasing the question for me
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[18:34] <horny-sama> but yes, I have noticed that the usb wifi adaptor is way faster on window than on raspbian
[18:34] <Peio> could be shitty linux drivers
[18:34] <Peio> wouldn't be surprised :p
[18:34] <IT_Sean> Peio: Language policy
[18:34] <Peio> oops sorry
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[18:35] <IT_Sean> horny-sama: It likely won't have any improvement on throughput, but, the Pi may not be able to sufficiently power the adaper on it's own.
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Does the adapter work when plugged directly into the Pi, horny-sama?
[18:35] <acidjazz> shiftplusone: negatory
[18:35] <hilake> how many other devices are you driving horny-sama?
[18:35] <horny-sama> IT_Sean: I have the same feeling too, I mean I am using a B model with keyboard, mouse, monitor and wireless
[18:36] <hilake> that could do it
[18:36] <horny-sama> I will get a powered usb hub on friday then
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[18:36] <horny-sama> I am just curious how is it possible for pi 2 to power 4 usb port + 1 hdmi consider its power source
[18:36] <acidjazz> yea hte pi has general issues powering stuff through it
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[18:36] <acidjazz> horny-sama: it cant
[18:37] <hilake> pure magic
[18:37] <hilake> also that
[18:37] <acidjazz> 100% cannot
[18:37] <acidjazz> no idea why theres 4 when theres not sufficient power
[18:37] <acidjazz> i can use 1 max
[18:37] <horny-sama> I guess odroid is more realistic
[18:37] <horny-sama> :P
[18:37] <acidjazz> then i gotta go to a hub
[18:37] <acidjazz> odroid has similar issues
[18:37] <acidjazz> but yea
[18:37] <acidjazz> only 1 usb port is more realistic
[18:37] <hilake> gotta run wireless from a seperate power source
[18:37] <horny-sama> acidjazz: I thought odroid has a more powerful power source
[18:37] <horny-sama> :P
[18:38] <acidjazz> its def powerful
[18:38] <acidjazz> just a tiny community
[18:38] <acidjazz> and hard to get
[18:38] <acidjazz> the pi community is the best
[18:38] <kisak> acidjazz: it's not a competition
[18:39] <horny-sama> acidjazz: odroid might be easy to obtain if you are in korea
[18:39] <horny-sama> :P
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[18:39] <horny-sama> pi is kinda designed for educational purpose not so much on realistic purpose
[18:39] <horny-sama> :P
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[18:40] <Peio> acidjazz: I'm using all 4 ports on my pi 2
[18:40] <horny-sama> Peio: low power device?
[18:40] <Peio> usb stick, flirc, keyboard/mouse dongle, usb hub
[18:40] <Peio> :)
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[18:41] <acidjazz> so low power
[18:42] <acidjazz> whats flirc
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[18:42] <Peio> an programmable IR dongle that acts like a keyboard
[18:42] <Peio> http://flirc.tv/
[18:42] <horny-sama> so hipster stuff?
[18:42] <horny-sama> lol
[18:43] <horny-sama> I remember those days where they tell you keyboard is all you need son
[18:44] <ShorTie> and 4k of memmory was enough ??
[18:44] <Bilby> wait... it's just a case?
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[18:44] <Bilby> it's a fancy-$@# case?
[18:44] <IT_Sean> Bilby: Language policy, please.
[18:44] <Peio> i'm talking about the usb dongle Bilby not the case
[18:44] <Bilby> AH
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[18:44] <Peio> horny-sama ? remotes are "hipster stuff" now ?
[18:44] <Bilby> okay. the only thing i saw was the case when i went to the site. that makes waaaay more sense
[18:45] <horny-sama> http://hackaday.com/2013/05/21/33-node-beowulf-cluster-built-with-raspberry-pi/ <---what I want to do if I have the money
[18:45] <horny-sama> since it is not really useful
[18:45] <horny-sama> Peio: back in cobol days remotes are a hipster stuff :P
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[18:46] <Peio> pretty sure even back then tvs had remotes
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[18:47] <horny-sama> Peio: fyi, it is a joke
[18:48] <Peio> must have missed the funny part
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[18:49] <horny-sama> will a beowulf cluster rasp pi actually be useful to hobbyist like me
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[18:51] <Tachyon`> with the pi 2 it'll be considerably more useful
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[18:53] <horny-sama> Tachyon`: I mean if it supports window 10 in the future or android in the future and gaming on it might be fun
[18:53] <horny-sama> to see if parallel computer actually help or not
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[18:53] <Tachyon`> it's only supporting IoT W10 which lacks a gui
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[18:54] <horny-sama> Tachyon`: I would like to play world of tanks blitz (android version ) on a 20 rasp pi 2 to see if it can outperform my nexus 5 :P
[18:55] <horny-sama> I mean 1 pi 2 is like 35 bucks and 20 of them is 700 bucks way more expensive than heck nexus 6 so it should perform better than nexus 5
[18:57] <IT_Sean> that's... ahh... quite some logic you have there.
[18:57] <horny-sama> IT_Sean: is the value equation
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[19:28] <RoyK> hi all. is the mpeg-2 decoder license relevant for mpeg-4 videos?
[19:29] <kisak> mpeg4 does not share the same decoder path as mpeg2
[19:30] <RoyK> well, somehow, but B frames don't exist in mpeg-2 AFAIK
[19:32] <ShorTie> this maybe ?? http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
[19:32] <RoyK> doesn't say anything about mpeg-4 there
[19:32] <cehteh> i never needed any of these keys yet
[19:33] <cehteh> at worst just recode stuff to something rpi plays without
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[19:36] <kisak> in the case of the raspberry pi, the technical traits of mpeg2 versus mpeg4 are irrelevent, since this is about a feature lock on the binary blob used to offload decoding to the vc4
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[19:37] <kisak> without the license key, the RPi will still decode the video, but it will be on the arm core, and most likely drop frames
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[19:38] <kisak> ^ vc4 == Broadcom VideoCore IV
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[19:40] <horny-sama> much evil capitalist for making us pay ofr mpeg-2 codec
[19:40] <horny-sama> :P
[19:40] <RoyK> kisak: thanks
[19:40] <RoyK> horny-sama: it's not a whole lot, though :P
[19:41] <kisak> horny-sama: your two choices are baking the codec cost into the base price of every sold device, or what they did
[19:41] <RoyK> kisak: is it possible to move a license from an old pi to a new one?
[19:41] <horny-sama> RoyK: no
[19:41] <kisak> RoyK: no, keys are not transferable
[19:42] <clever> RoyK: the most you can hope for is to sell the pi to a friend, and sell your old key to him
[19:42] <clever> by selling the whole pi&key, you can then cover a new key for the new pi
[19:42] <kisak> seems kinda silly for the cost
[19:43] <clever> yeah
[19:43] <clever> i wouldnt even bother, its so cheap
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[19:44] <kisak> fwiw, there is a cost for doing h264 decode on the vc4 chip, that is baked into the base cost
[19:45] <kisak> right now, most streaming content on the internet is h264
[19:45] <clever> yep, i havent had to re-add the key on my latest card
[19:45] <clever> not sure where i even left it
[19:46] <clever> most of my codec problems are caused by 10bit h264, which the pi just doesnt support
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[19:46] <kisak> clever: no video card hardware in the wild supports hi10p
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[19:46] <horny-sama> off the uni
[19:47] <clever> yeah, has to be done in software
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[19:49] <kisak> if it wasn't hi10p, it'll be some other codec that gets picked out as the preferred codec for a group, and this rat-race of supporting hw-accelerated codecs on discrete hardware will never end
[19:49] <kisak> if not today, some indeterminate time later
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[19:56] <RoyK> Malinux: ?
[19:57] <Malinux> strange. I just copied my license keys from my old rpi, and used it on a new model B+ and it simce to work
[19:57] <Malinux> *seems
[19:58] <kisak> did you restart the pi after doing that?
[19:58] <kisak> a change like that takes effect on a cold start
[19:58] <Malinux> yes
[19:59] <RoyK> I beleive Malinux thinks it's strange since it shouldn't be transferable
[20:00] <kisak> it should be based on the serial number, which is hardcoded to the pi
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[20:01] <clever> its possible that he isnt even needing mpeg2 now
[20:02] <RoyK> or she ;)
[20:02] <kisak> well, I know I need it if I want to use content from mythtv -- ~5.5TB of mpeg2ts content
[20:03] <RoyK> well. I just ordered some licenses - hope they have the generation of them automated and not using 72 hours to hand-crat them :P
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[20:04] <RoyK> hand-craft, even
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[20:05] <kisak> when I got a key back in December, it felt like it was semi-automated, human still involved
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[20:06] <RoyK> ok... so wait until UTC daytime?
[20:07] <kisak> I don't know the internals involved
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[20:48] <RoyK> hi all. just got a pi2 and it seems all network interrupts are handle by a single core. anything to do about this?
[20:48] <RoyK> 32: 1866084 0 0 0 ARMCTRL 32 dwc_otg, dwc_otg_pcd, dwc_otg_hcd:usb1
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[20:55] <SpeedEvil> Why do you think it matters?
[20:55] <TheLostAdmin> I can't seam to find this info as easily as I thought I would, so I'm going to ask here. Does the RPi2 model B have USB 2 or USB 3 ports? Also, is it one USB controller (as I expect) or 2?
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> usb2
[20:56] <TheLostAdmin> Thank's speedy.
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> there is one usB2 port, with a USB hub, with itnegrated network
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[20:56] <SpeedEvil> One uSB2 host port
[20:57] <TheLostAdmin> I was more interested in having 2 usb host ports if it was USB 3 for USB 3 attached hard drives. But, still good to know.
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> The top you'll get out of a USB drive is about 35MB/s or so
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> shared with the network and all other USB peripherals
[20:58] <TheLostAdmin> Thanks
[20:58] <RoyK> well, it matters
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[20:58] <RoyK> there are tons of interrupts when using high bandwidth
[20:58] <RoyK> it'd be nice to balance that better
[20:59] <OffensiveUser> helo
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[21:01] <TheLostAdmin> Next question... How much (if any) overclocking should I be able to do on a RPi model B (not the 2, not the B+) without any sort of active cooling? Or, to put it another way, where should I stop so I don't ruin the hardware?
[21:01] <kisak> I'm pretty sure those interrupts need to be handled sequentially to keep the conversation between the hardware sane
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[21:19] <netzvieh> TheLostAdmin: depends a bit on your load, I run mine just fine on 1ghz
[21:21] <TheLostAdmin> Thanks Netzvieh. I did find an old article that talked about Turbo mode (and pointers to the RPi foundation saying it doesn't void the warrantee). So I tried it.
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[21:32] <kisak> oh yeah, Malinux, you can confirm if the mpeg2 key is valid or not by running 'vcgencmd codec_enabled MPG2'
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[22:02] <Bilby> wooooo... now the owner of a Pi2.
[22:02] <Bilby> Temporarily though lol... bought one for a friend. Aaaaaalmost bought one for me, but I ended up getting an arduino and some other parts instead. Next time!
[22:03] <ozzzy> I got the IR remote in for mine today
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[22:04] <Bilby> ohnice
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[22:04] <Bilby> Particular reason you went with an IR receiver instead of app / browser / keyeboard?
[22:06] * cehteh will build IR transmitter soon .. and then a screenblank plugin which remotely turns the projector on and off
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[22:06] <Limix> Hi! Any recommendations on the best micro sd card to use for the new pi?
[22:06] <e^ipi> the one on sale
[22:07] <Bilby> ^
[22:07] <cehteh> doesnt need to be the most expensive fastest one, i'd recommend sandisk (class 10, normal/cheaper doesnt need to be "Extra", "Ultimate" or whatever)
[22:07] <Bilby> You (may have) less corruption issues with a name-brand card, but corruption issues are best avoided by not pulling the plug on the pi
[22:08] <Bilby> I think most of mine are sandisks, yeah
[22:08] <cehteh> test it carefully there are lots of counterfeits
[22:08] <Limix> thank you
[22:08] <cehteh> make backups regulary, automatically
[22:08] <[Saint]> actually, for our use cases on a pi, Class 2 is entirely sufficient.
[22:08] <[Saint]> Class 2 favors random reads and writes, which we'll be doing a lot more of.
[22:09] <cehteh> class2 is really a bit slow
[22:09] <cehteh> and harder to come by nowadays
[22:09] <[Saint]> IOW: bigger numbers aren't always better
[22:09] <cehteh> yeah
[22:09] <Bilby> I thought the class of the card was explicitly about speed. hmm.
[22:09] <[Saint]> They are not. That's...just...no.
[22:09] <[Saint]> Bilby: it is.
[22:10] <cehteh> the class is only about minimal sustained sequential write speed
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[22:10] <[Saint]> But its a fairly useless metric for the use case of the pi.
[22:10] <Malinux> kisak: ah, youre right. Just belived it worked because it playbacked mpeg-2-streams very well
[22:10] <cehteh> the least usecase for the rpi
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[22:10] <[Saint]> You're not doing large contiguous reads and writes often.
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[22:10] <cehteh> and the rpi wont max out any extra expensive ultra fast card
[22:11] <Bilby> Hah. this arduino came with the 'blink' sketch already installed.
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[22:11] <[Saint]> It'll have a hard time maxxing out a cheap Class 10. Especially if you're pulling from network at the same time.
[22:11] <cehteh> but still trying to get whats available from some quality brand and check it (there are plenty fakes around)
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[22:11] <cehteh> i got 20mb/sec with ext4
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[22:12] <[Saint]> Not while pulling that file off the network, I'll bet.
[22:12] <cehteh> now i have little less than 10mb/sec with dmcrypt eating the performance and btrfs (which doesnt matter after dmcrypt degrades the performance that much)
[22:12] <[Saint]> And did you check to see it wasn't in cache?
[22:12] <[Saint]> If not, you're just measuring your RAM.
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[22:13] <cehteh> i know what i am doung and thats local copying or in local network here
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[22:14] <[Saint]> Still, you need to flush buffers and cache before doing any form of IO testing. For obvious reasons.
[22:14] <cehteh> with the very first pi and some hacked kernel i got more speed by overclocking the mmc bus, but thats quite unreliable
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[22:19] <TheLostAdmin> I got corrupted files in Turbo mode. I guess I didn't get lucky with my hardware. So far 800MHz is stable.
[22:19] <cehteh> old pi?
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[22:20] <TheLostAdmin> cehteh, yep Model B
[22:20] <cehteh> when it gets hot it gets instable, at least mine does, adding some coolers helped a lot (I hate to admit that, because it should be supposed to work without)
[22:21] <cehteh> maybe bumping the voltage, but read about it in the docs and finding out which part actually cant take the higher voltage
[22:21] <TheLostAdmin> I'm not worried, it mostly sits on the shelf.
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[22:22] <cehteh> sometimes you have to increase the ram freq modestly but the arm core can run at 1200mhz reliably
[22:22] <cehteh> its just trying out, preferably without blowing the warranty fuse
[22:23] <TheLostAdmin> I think I'll switch project to "make a funky case for my Pi".
[22:23] <muriani> I think I may need to add a heatsink to my 2
[22:24] <muriani> running retropie source install with -j3 and it's a little toasty
[22:24] <cehteh> this time i just added it from the start, it rarely gets hotter than 45�C but still
[22:24] <TheLostAdmin> When I get a 2 (or 3 since I procrastinate), I'll get heatsink for it.
[22:24] <muriani> TheLostAdmin: I'm liking the 2 so far, just booted it up this morning
[22:25] <horny-sama> just learn my negihbor's dark secret
[22:25] <cehteh> anyway the pi2 (maybe raspbian instead of raspbmc) runs much more stable than the old one
[22:25] <TheLostAdmin> muriani I like the specs on it but I've got a 2nd model B still in the box. I should probably fiddle with the two I've got before getting a 3rd. Or at least build a mini computer rack to sit on the shelf and house them all.
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[22:26] <[Saint]> muriani: how toasty" is "a little toasty? Unless its nearing 80C, in which case the pi will limit scaling itself, or 85C, in which case the pi will do a thermal shutdown - don't worry about it.
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[22:26] <[Saint]> Its a chipset for use in embedded applications, its supposed to be able to run hot.
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[22:27] <cehteh> i thought limiting starts at 85�C .. but mine was cooler when it started to become unstable, prolly some hot spots on the die
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[22:27] <cehteh> cant remember but prolly around 65�C problems started when overclocked w/o heatsinks
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[22:28] <[Saint]> I /think/ its 80C for disabling scaling, and 85C for thermal shutdown - but either way, you'll never see those temps in real world usage, so its largely irrelevant.
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[22:28] <[Saint]> the overclocking is likely the issue there, not the heat.
[22:28] <cehteh> with the old pi and turbo that could happen
[22:28] <[Saint]> an underclocked pi at the same temperature would likely be fine.
[22:28] <muriani> [Saint]: not that toasty
[22:28] <muriani> 64C
[22:29] <[Saint]> muriani: yeah - that's perfectly fine.
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[22:29] <muriani> OC'd to 1GHz of course
[22:29] <[Saint]> hot to a human, not to it. it don't give no hoots, yo. :p
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[22:31] <[Saint]> Under a decent load the Xeon hexacores in my new server sit at ~90C
[22:31] <TheLostAdmin> 10 more degrees and you can use them to boil water.
[22:31] * [Saint] looks lovingly over at his $115 dollar server that he ended up getting for $100 cash because no one had change and he was too cheap to go to $120
[22:31] <kisak> once you go above ~850MHz, you need to start overvolting to avoid those block failures on the SD card, openelec and raspbmc have some overclocking profiles
[22:32] <muriani> kisak: ok, I used the profile in raspi-config in raspbian
[22:32] <TheLostAdmin> That explains my test, maybe.
[22:32] <[Saint]> *you* might need to, and others might, but saying that as a statement of absolute fact is largely untrue.
[22:33] <muriani> I *did* have sdcard failure the next reboot, but the latest reboots have been just fine
[22:33] <ShorTie> lol, good 1 [Saint]
[22:33] <[Saint]> *I* never needed to. And I know many others who never needed to either.
[22:33] <kisak> anything more than an overvolt of 6 seems to be discouraged
[22:33] <[Saint]> gee - I wonder why >.>
[22:34] <muriani> What's typical power requirement for rpi2 under load?
[22:34] <muriani> maxed cores, no USB devices?
[22:34] <kisak> personally, I don't care to get a small boost at the risk of burning out parts
[22:34] <[Saint]> the whole thing will use sub 4W
[22:34] <muriani> aight
[22:35] <[Saint]> The pi is so power efficient it doesn't even really warrant thinking about.
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[22:35] <muriani> Eh, jus twondering if I can keep using this old cellphone adapter or if I should put it on a 1A smartphone charger
[22:35] <muriani> this is right about 4W
[22:35] <TheLostAdmin> Saint: it does in terms of finding a charger that can push enough amps.
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[22:37] <muriani> seems for most usage, standard USB power output is sufficient
[22:37] <muriani> I could power it directly from the Lapdock, for example
[22:37] <[Saint]> 5V @ 2A, and you're golden.
[22:37] <muriani> well yeah, that's 10W
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[22:38] <muriani> That's what I push the pandaboard with :P
[22:38] <[Saint]> It'll do 1A, sure, but then you've got to worry about peripherals in future. May as well future proof yourself.
[22:38] <muriani> or would, if it weren't so unstable.
[22:38] <[Saint]> The Apple Mac wall warts are cheap as chips and readily available.
[22:38] <muriani> yeah
[22:38] <muriani> Aye, I've got a couple
[22:38] <muriani> Just not on location atm.
[22:38] <ozzzy> there are some inexpensive 5v2A supplies on ebay
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[22:40] <muriani> Apple bricks typically put out fairly clean power
[22:40] <muriani> I don't trust cheap 5v supplies, honestly
[22:40] <ozzzy> they're all built in the same factories
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[22:41] <ozzzy> same parts... same pick/place machines... same assemblers....
[22:41] <muriani> Not always.
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[22:42] <ozzzy> might be in a different sweatshop
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[22:43] <ozzzy> the chinese build apple's on the day shift... everyone else's on the other two
[22:43] <phw> I am trying to use the PiFaceDigital Emulator (https://github.com/piface/pifacedigital-emulator), yet the description how to use it does not work at all: The instance of the emulator comes up, yet the instance has no "led" attribute at all
[22:44] <phw> Am I missing something important or is the emulator not even an emulator but just a piece of software to manipulate a real pifacedigital interface?
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[22:54] <Milenko> lmao @ ozzzy
[22:54] <Milenko> First shift is apple, second shift is apple knock offs, third shift is 'other'
[22:55] <[Saint]> That's just...no.
[22:55] <[Saint]> Just. No.
[22:55] <muriani> yeah I've had some apple knockoff chargers
[22:56] <muriani> plug my phone in and suddenly the touchscreen is barely responsive
[22:56] <[Saint]> Power supplies are quite definitely _not_ created equally. In this day and age, anyone who thinks themselves to be even mildly proficient in electronics should be well aware of this.
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[22:56] <Bilby> okay, i am inordinately proud to have a basic "send this command via serial and blink" sketch working in arduino
[22:57] <muriani> I read an article some time back that did teardown and measurements of several USB power supplies, Apple, major brand chargers, and knockoffs
[22:57] <Bilby> yay easy rewards <_<
[22:57] <muriani> Interesting stuff
[22:57] <[Saint]> Most of them time the cheap ones are quite literally one layer (a SINGLE layer) of insulation tape away from putting 220~240V into you.
[22:57] <[Saint]> They can literally kill you, or burn your house down.
[22:57] <Peio> same thing for computer PSUs
[22:57] <[Saint]> Its just not worth it...please don't use these cheap chargers. Just...don't do it man. Please.
[22:57] <muriani> Peio: indeed
[22:57] <Peio> the cheapest ones are incredibly crap and dangerous
[22:57] <muriani> here's one: http://www.righto.com/2014/05/a-look-inside-ipad-chargers-pricey.html
[22:57] <[Saint]> Saving a few bucks is NOT worth losing your home, or your life.
[22:58] <muriani> Ah, and the same guy: http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
[22:58] <[Saint]> I'm completely serious. DOn't do it.
[22:58] <muriani> that's the article I was talking about
[22:58] <Bilby> Probably the cheapest 'cheap' charger I'd go with is maybe the Monoprice ones
[22:58] <Bilby> ~maybe
[22:58] <muriani> dude puts quite a few through their paces
[22:58] <Milenko> im not saying the quality is the same
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[22:58] <muriani> apparently the HP Touchpad charger is the best
[22:58] <Milenko> but they do build multiple brands and knockoffs in most of the same factorys
[22:59] <Milenko> and most knockoffs use spare parts from the actual brand suppliers
[22:59] <muriani> Bilby: according to his chart, the monoprice charger's decent
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[22:59] <muriani> Milenko: yeah, like the casing
[22:59] <[Saint]> There's really no reason to. Go to a pawn shop. They have bulk bins of Apple wall warts. Every one I've ever been to has a huge box of power supplies, dig out the Mac ones. Or the iPhone ones (they're the same, I think?) - use them.
[22:59] <Milenko> thats about it lol
[22:59] <[Saint]> I got 20 for $20 last time I went hunting.
[22:59] <Bilby> hah that's a good idea [Saint]
[22:59] <Milenko> i picked up my wifes 2013 MBP from a pawn shop, 300 bucks.
[22:59] <[Saint]> Pawn shops are like gold mines man. :)
[22:59] <muriani> ipad ones are the ones to find - 5v ~2A
[23:00] <[Saint]> I love 'em.
[23:00] <[Saint]> That, and police auctions.
[23:00] <Milenko> I have a buddy who makes SNES reproductions
[23:00] <Milenko> found like 60 donor sports titles
[23:00] <Bilby> I need to start hitting those up for parts now
[23:00] <Milenko> less than a dollar a pop
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[23:01] <[Saint]> Yeah man. They're great. But I have a tendency to clean them out in one hit.
[23:01] <[Saint]> So I usually "do the rounds" every 3~6 months.
[23:01] <[Saint]> I *loooove* police seizure auctions too - but that might be a local thing, I've no idea if $your_locale does those.
[23:01] <Milenko> I made the mistake of mentioning how I was going to get those sports titles made into 20-30 dollar titles
[23:02] <Milenko> the one shop told me five bucks a pop the last time i went
[23:02] <Milenko> i told em to bite me and walked out
[23:02] <Bilby> lol
[23:02] <[Saint]> We have "Procedes To The Victims Of Crime Act." here, so any high value goods from police seizures go to auctions.
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[23:02] <Milenko> Honestly, i explained to the one clerk how it took quite a bit of work.
[23:03] <[Saint]> I snapped up two proliant servers (one DL, one ML) the other day. Spent less than $200 on 'em.
[23:03] <Milenko> then all of a sudden five bucks a pop? fuck you dude.
[23:03] <[Saint]> For about $4K worth of servers.
[23:03] <[Saint]> *ahem*
[23:03] <Milenko> I got two XBox 360 slims for i think 220? 3 controllers between the two
[23:04] <Milenko> a bunch of ghostbusters toys for 20 bucks from one shop a few months ago
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[23:04] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org:8080/pi-remote.html
[23:04] <Bilby> ozzzy is that server running on a pi?
[23:05] <ozzzy> yep
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[23:05] <Bilby> lol. gave me flashbacks to dial-up
[23:05] <Milenko> needs moar jpeg
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[23:06] <ozzzy> it's only a 279K png
[23:07] <jamesd_> might be faster if you put varnish in front of the webserver
[23:07] <Milenko> http://i.imgur.com/KXHY5LQ.jpg
[23:07] <Bilby> haha
[23:08] <Bilby> Doggonit. I wish microcenter had the esp8266. it's the only thing i'm missing now
[23:08] <Milenko> i recently learned there was a microcenter 25 minutes away.
[23:08] <Milenko> im tempted to go out there
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[23:12] <Bilby> yay amazon. i'll have an esp8266 in a couple days
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[23:42] <Bilby> Of course I finally decide to switch to arduino to avoid 3.3v / 5v level conversion issues with the 5V relay, and find out that the wifi board I want to use is 3.3v. For bob's sake.
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[23:47] <Aerosonic> Hey guys.
[23:48] <Aerosonic> I have an issue where rpi doesn't sync properly. In minecraft there's a specific way that I need worlds sorted for my software so that it would go through them sequentially (because focus signals are used to do stack switching)
[23:49] <Aerosonic> If I do sudo sync && shutdown -h now, then disconnect power, it'll save all the worlds in the right spots upon powerup. But if I do a hard reset, it will mix up the world order every time.
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[23:49] <Ullarah> Then don't do a hard reset then? Or you could use one of those add-on UPS boards?
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> So don't hard reset it?
[23:49] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[23:49] <Ullarah> LOL
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not sure what you mean by "doesn't sync" tbh
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> Do you mean the time/date is wrong?
[23:50] <Aerosonic> sudo sync. It doesn't write changes to disk properly.
[23:50] <Ullarah> I think minecraft saves chunks or something to disk.
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> Are you closing minecraft before issuing the sync?
[23:50] <Aerosonic> Yes.
[23:50] <Ullarah> Sounds like a minecraft issue to me rather than a RPi issue.
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> You won't need to do sudo sync before shutdown
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> Shutdown does that for you
[23:50] <muriani> bah, gcc stalled while building retropie
[23:51] <Ullarah> muriani, Try compiling firefox, HAHA!
[23:51] <Aerosonic> Yeah well, if I sudo sync and disconnect power, it still doesn't save changes properly.
[23:51] <Sonny_Jim> The last line of shutdown output will be "syncing disks"
[23:51] <muriani> Ullarah: oh hell naw
[23:51] <Aerosonic> Only if I sudo reboot. But
[23:51] <Sonny_Jim> sudo sync, disconnect power whilst minecraft is still running?
[23:51] <muriani> but then, I did "emerge gnome" on a 1.5GHz G4 Powerbook
[23:51] <Ullarah> muriani, a year later? :P
[23:52] <muriani> hehehehehe
[23:52] <muriani> It did take several days, yes.
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[23:52] <Aerosonic> Sonny_Jim: I'm trying all possibilities. If I hard reset at any point, it will return to shuffled world order.
[23:52] <ThurnisH41ey> anyone have a good guide to using the GPIO?
[23:52] <Sonny_Jim> How is the order defined?
[23:52] <Sonny_Jim> ThurnisH41ey: Check out wiringpi.com
[23:53] <Aerosonic> Sonny_Jim: Since there's no API for Minecraft, I define it manually.
[23:53] <Sonny_Jim> right, so how do you do that?
[23:53] <Aerosonic> Sonny_Jim: I leave the worlds the way they are supposed to before shutdown.
[23:53] <Milenko> hnnngg Mutant League Football will be playable at GDC
[23:54] <Sonny_Jim> So does closing and restarting minecraft keep the ordeR?
[23:54] <Aerosonic> Sonny_Jim: Do you by any chance know where Minecraft is saving worlds?
[23:54] <Sonny_Jim> And internally, how does minecraft order the worlds?
[23:54] <Aerosonic> Sonny_Jim: Yeah, it does.
[23:54] <Sonny_Jim> Because that is what I would be looking into, rather than sync issues
[23:55] <ThurnisH41ey> Sonny_Jim: thanks!
[23:55] <Aerosonic> Sonny_Jim: That I have no idea. MC is closed source so there's no way or me to figure out the world order. If I knew how to properly order worlds, I wouldn't be using focus signals to do stack switching.
[23:55] <Sonny_Jim> You might find a hidden dir in home called ~/.minecraft
[23:57] <Aerosonic> Err yes. I meant how it decides which world is the freshest. I've tried touching the worlds I need and I even tried force-writing the binary itself from a saved state, but to no avail.
[23:57] <Sonny_Jim> I'd ask on the minecraft forums tbh
[23:57] <Sonny_Jim> They'd have a better idea how the world order is produced
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[23:57] <Aerosonic> Yeah I might do that.
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[23:59] <Aerosonic> I even used strace and dtrace to figure out how the changes are being saved.
[23:59] <Aerosonic> And attempted to decode the hex values relevant to the minecraft binary.
[23:59] <Aerosonic> I will facepalm very hard if it's something simple I've overlooked.

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