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IRC Log for 2015-02-27

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[0:22] <almostworking> eh, still not luck, 3rd image, im directly doing this via linux in term. i changed the dd options,
[0:23] * almostworking knew this would happen , this is why i just use LTS distros
[0:23] <Ryccardo> what's happening?
[0:23] <seitensei> hmm>
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[0:26] <almostworking> eh, im trying to image rasplex to a microSD , after the 3rd time now , sudo dd if=rasplex-RP-0.5.0.img of=/dev/sdh
[0:26] <webdev007> anyone else having troubles downloading the latest raspian @ http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest
[0:27] <webdev007> *raspbian
[0:27] <almostworking> i also tried, sudo dd if=rasplex-RP-0.5.0.img of=/dev/sdh bs BS=1MB &&sync
[0:27] <webdev007> I also tried the torrent, but the tracker was unavailable. :-(
[0:27] * almostworking doesnt know, i use pi, for thin clients, media servers
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[0:28] <Ryccardo> well, assuming the card is actually "sdh", it's correct...
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[0:29] <webdev007> well sad panda... http://director.downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2015-02-17/2015-02-16-raspbian-wheezy.zip tries to download, but I get a "You are viewing this website in maintenance mode due to high traffic - the full site will be back shortly." message.
[0:30] <webdev007> Guess that answers my question.
[0:30] <webdev007> No downloads of raspbian for now. :-(
[0:30] <DJJeff> root@retropie:~# hcitool scan
[0:30] <DJJeff> CC:9E:00:CA:70:5D Nintendo RVL-CNT-01
[0:30] <DJJeff> root@retropie:~# rfcomm connect rfcomm0
[0:30] <DJJeff> Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
[0:31] <DJJeff> pairing code?????
[0:31] <DJJeff> root@retropie:~# bluetooth-agent 0000
[0:31] <DJJeff> getting wiimote on pi?
[0:31] <nerdboy> permissions on the device?
[0:31] <DJJeff> ummmmmm how do I check?
[0:32] <nerdboy> normally you would need to be in uucp or tty group
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[0:32] <nerdboy> ls -l /dev/rfcomm
[0:32] <DJJeff> ls: cannot access /dev/rfcomm: No such file or directory
[0:32] <nerdboy> ls -l /dev/rfcomm*
[0:32] <DJJeff> ls: cannot access /dev/rfcomm*: No such file or directory
[0:33] <nerdboy> then it doesn't exist
[0:33] <nerdboy> modprobe rfcomm ?
[0:33] <Ryccardo> also check "hci*"
[0:34] <DJJeff> root@retropie:~# lsmod
[0:34] <DJJeff> Module Size Used by
[0:34] <DJJeff> rfcomm 37920 10
[0:34] <DJJeff> bluetooth 320752 24 bnep,btusb,rfcomm
[0:34] <ali1234> strace that sucker
[0:35] <DJJeff> meeeeeeeeep?
[0:35] <DJJeff> strace what?
[0:35] <ali1234> rfcomm
[0:35] <ali1234> it's probably a permissions error
[0:35] * nerdboy doesn't play with bluetooth much...
[0:35] <ali1234> strace will tell you on what file
[0:35] <Ryccardo> but he's using it as root...
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[0:36] <nerdboy> if modules are loaded and required device is still missing, next guess is udev...
[0:36] <ali1234> you got "connection refused", not "file not found"
[0:37] <Ryccardo> `hcitool dev` doesn't say anything?
[0:37] <DJJeff> root@retropie:~# hcitool dev
[0:37] <DJJeff> Devices:
[0:37] <DJJeff> hci0 00:02:72:A1:3A:39
[0:38] <Ryccardo> so the device was indeed hci0 :)
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[0:38] <DJJeff> thats not my wiimote mac
[0:38] <ali1234> that's your bluetooth dongle
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[0:38] <DJJeff> thats my bluetooth mac
[0:38] <Ryccardo> ^
[0:38] <DJJeff> yes
[0:39] <Ryccardo> bluetooth target devices don't appear in /dev AFAIK
[0:39] <nerdboy> won't see wiimote until paired
[0:39] <DJJeff> I should attempt to pair my phone
[0:39] <DJJeff> as a test
[0:40] <Ryccardo> to see if it connects to the remote, try `sdptool scan CC:9E:00:CA:70:5D` and it should list its services
[0:41] <DJJeff> returns nothing
[0:41] <DJJeff> Scanning ...
[0:41] <DJJeff> 48:59:29:57:D3:B7 Nexus 5
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[0:41] <Ryccardo> because it's `sdptool browse` -- i'ts been years since I tried it
[0:41] <DJJeff> gonna try for a pair here
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[0:43] <DJJeff> woah that returned alot of info
[0:43] <DJJeff> https://bpaste.net/show/bc1f8b6b3377
[0:44] <synergyz_> i wanna buy a raspberry pi starter kit as a gift but i'm kinda lost as to what the differences are on amazon
[0:44] <Ryccardo> so the local side can transmit and receive, the issue is at actually setting up a connection
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[0:45] <DJJeff> paired with my nexus 5 in seconds
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[0:45] <DJJeff> gonna google for some tutorials
[0:47] <DJJeff> oh people use python code to pair it and detect buttons
[0:49] <acidjazz> DJJeff: whats htis whats sdptool
[0:50] <acidjazz> sdp server?
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[0:55] <Ryccardo> lists services advertised by bluetooth device
[0:57] <DJJeff> doing apt-get install on a pi is painfully slow
[0:57] <DJJeff> like I wanna gouge my eyes out slow
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[0:57] <Ryccardo> rpi-update is worse, trust me
[0:57] <Ryccardo> this evening it took 13 minutes
[0:57] <ozzzy> 13 whole minutes
[0:58] <Ryccardo> plus the non-wget parts, but they're nothng in comparison
[0:59] <DJJeff> confirmed works in python!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[0:59] <DJJeff> http://puu.sh/ge94X.png
[0:59] <Ryccardo> (fun fact: APT doesn't even work with default settings on 84MB ram)
[0:59] <Ryccardo> :)
[0:59] <DJJeff> wont work outside of python tho
[0:59] <DJJeff> (for now)
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[1:07] <DJJeff> OMG
[1:07] <DJJeff> I JIZZED
[1:07] <DJJeff> root@retropie:~# modprobe hid-wiimote
[1:07] <DJJeff> root@retropie:~# hidd --search
[1:07] <DJJeff> Searching ...
[1:07] <DJJeff> Connecting to device CC:9E:00:CA:70:5D
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[1:07] <DJJeff> lite on wiimote is on player 1
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[1:08] <DJJeff> will need to restart retropie to pick up the mote I guess
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[1:09] <Ryccardo> g'night happy people
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[1:11] <DJJeff> where are startup scripts stored
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[1:11] <DJJeff> so I can add a 10 second timeout script to pair on boot
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[1:11] <Ryccardo> the scripts themselves, /etc/init.d/*
[1:11] <DJJeff> its based on raspbian
[1:11] <Ryccardo> they're linked to /etc/rc2.d/S??*
[1:11] <almostworking> alright, so, Ryccardo , muriani turns out none of my microUSB chargers have enough power , thats what the color square is , at least according to the rasplex forums.
[1:12] <DJJeff> ah probley is
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[1:12] <Ryccardo> and before them, /etc/rcS.d/S??* are run
[1:12] <almostworking> and, because i find github, some what well hard to navigate, here is URL for rasplex 5.1 , for anyone wants it
[1:12] <almostworking> https://github.com/RasPlex/RasPlex/releases/tag/0.5.1
[1:13] <DJJeff> hrmmmmmmmmmm /etc/rc.local ?
[1:13] <DJJeff> I wonder if the pi has this file
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[1:13] <DJJeff> it does!
[1:13] <Ryccardo> DJJeff: there you can put arbitrary commands that run after almost every other startup script
[1:13] <almostworking> and, ofc, u want RPi2-RP-0.5.1.img.gz ( the pi2 one, non update) , ill let u all get on with , what ur doin
[1:14] <DJJeff> probley a good spot for wiimote pairing
[1:14] <Ryccardo> almostworking: hmmm, a bad power supply often panics after few seconds... if it doesn't move from the bootlogo it must be worse than bad
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[1:15] <almostworking> well, it was a USBcharger from a original motorola droid, the 1st one made, so = quite old, an the other one, was a little white USB thing , from some sort of iphone
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[1:15] <Ryccardo> yeah, the iPhone brick ones with changeable plugs are bad
[1:15] <almostworking> so not bad works fine , w/ old pi .... juts not enough , for new pi2
[1:15] <Ryccardo> first hand experience
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[1:16] <Ryccardo> nah, original B 1.1 here
[1:16] * almostworking had read that they need more power, i shoulda coughed up $ for one, anyone know nice one at best price on amazon ?
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[1:16] <Ryccardo> I got a generic brand one for 7 € and it works fine
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[1:17] <Ryccardo> it has a blue led, an 1 A and another 2,1 A port... not that this is of much help
[1:18] <almostworking> no one asked me, but what using rc.local for, since some stuff not great idea.. i dont have a way, of knowing, esp since ive not been in here before
[1:18] <almostworking> Ryccardo, that does help, my power LED was red = low power?
[1:19] <Ryccardo> almostworking: ohhh nope, that blue led was on the power brick itself, the one on the board is always red
[1:19] <Ryccardo> but pay attention to slight dimming during boot
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[1:20] <Ryccardo> rc. local -- you can put anything into it (preferably before "exit 0" :>) and it's guaranteed to run at least once (if you didn't mess around with runlevels, of course)
[1:20] <almostworking> hmmm, the only other thing i could do, is use either another microSD , which i dont have , OR make a new microSD image for something else, openelec , kodi etc
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[1:21] <DJJeff> need to make an awesome splashscreen for pairing the wiimote
[1:22] <DJJeff> ok so rebooted retropie and looks like rc.local got ran
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[1:22] <DJJeff> hrmmmmmmmm
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[1:22] <DJJeff> I put in something stupid like echo "WIIMOTE PAIR" and saw it during boot
[1:22] <acidjazz> DJJeff: so you're using a wiimote as a controller?
[1:22] <DJJeff> trying too
[1:22] <acidjazz> via BT?
[1:22] <DJJeff> ah crap
[1:23] <DJJeff> got an error of no module hidd-wiimote
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[1:23] <Ryccardo> put its name in /etc/modules (or just modprobe it in rc.local)
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[1:24] <DJJeff> ya I did put modprobe in rc.local
[1:24] <DJJeff> thats why it spat out that error
[1:24] <DJJeff> I probley forgot to modprobe for bluetooth first
[1:25] <DJJeff> oh
[1:25] <DJJeff> its hid-wiimote not hidd-wiimote
[1:26] <DJJeff> just one too many d's
[1:27] <DJJeff> ok next step is to make a splashscreen that tells users to press+hold 1+2 on wiimote
[1:27] <Ryccardo> to display it, I guess you can use `fbi`
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[1:27] <DJJeff> retropie has their own splashscreen
[1:28] <DJJeff> I will see what they use
[1:28] <DJJeff> and just follow their lead
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[1:28] <DJJeff> yup they use fbi
[1:29] <DJJeff> lol @ /usr/bin/fbi -T 2 -once -t 20 -noverbose -a -l /etc/splashscreen.list &
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[1:29] <DJJeff> I guess the -t is the time to show it
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[1:29] <DJJeff> and could just point to an image instead of a list
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[1:33] <DJJeff> ok it paired during bootup
[1:33] <DJJeff> did a reboot test
[1:34] <DJJeff> emulation station wont recognize it
[1:34] <DJJeff> time to go yell at them
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[1:47] <acidjazz> love how DJJeff is just bloggin away
[1:48] <DJJeff> I do that alot
[1:48] <DJJeff> I see something cool I like to share its beauty
[1:49] <stevenjames> do you with your Jazzy self
[1:49] <DJJeff> not be a horder and keep deep dark secrets
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[1:50] <DJJeff> there are billions of uses for a wiimote + pi not just games
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[1:52] <givemefive911> DJJeff: so are we talking about the regular wiimote here
[1:52] <givemefive911> first wii
[1:52] <DJJeff> dunno
[1:52] <DJJeff> is the newer one bluetooth?
[1:52] <givemefive911> Is the first gen wii bluetooth
[1:52] <DJJeff> I do not own a WII U and prob never will
[1:52] <nerdboy> sounds like the original
[1:52] <plugwash> pretty sure all the wiimotes are bluetooth
[1:53] <DJJeff> so yes I am sure the WII U will pair as well
[1:53] <givemefive911> so the first gen wii has a gyroscope and accelerometer you can access through blue tooth?
[1:53] <DJJeff> using same method
[1:53] <plugwash> however there have been problems with newer wiimotes and the reverse engineered linux drivers
[1:53] <DJJeff> just put it into sync/pair mode
[1:53] <DJJeff> and watch as hidd --search finds it
[1:54] <plugwash> specifically newer production of the wii remote plus has a different bluetooth device id and even when you add the new IDs to the software it apparently still fails to work
[1:55] <givemefive911> so people have written DSPs for gesture detection?
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[2:17] <McBride36> :( i dropped pliers on my pi
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[2:21] <IT_Sean> That wasn't good.
[2:22] <DJJeff> lol
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[2:22] <McBride36> i think it still works lol
[2:22] <DJJeff> done with my cheesy splashscreen
[2:22] <DJJeff> reboot test and might video it
[2:23] <DJJeff> crapola... just a black screen
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[2:34] <DJJeff> oh I put the .png in a root only folder
[2:35] <DJJeff> bingo works now
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[2:51] <teclo-> DJJeff: hi, you're working with Raspberry Pi splashscreens ?
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[2:51] <teclo-> with fbi to show them ?
[2:56] <DJJeff> kinda
[2:56] <DJJeff> having issues atm
[2:57] <DJJeff> I am looking at other files in /etc/rcS.d
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[2:57] <DJJeff> S16raspi-config looks cool.... it can detect if shift key is held down
[2:58] <DJJeff> I might do something similar to check if a key is held down to prompt user to sync wiimote
[2:58] <DJJeff> and if not skip and keep booting
[2:58] <DJJeff> could probley put that code in /etc/rc.local just fine
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[3:00] <DJJeff> they (being retropie) put fbi splashscreen in /etc/rcS.d/S01asplashscreen
[3:00] <DJJeff> I tried to add a 2nd fbi splashscreen into /etc/rc.local
[3:01] <DJJeff> I think they have it shown on tty2
[3:01] <DJJeff> but /etc/rc.local is tty1
[3:01] <DJJeff> trying to find out how they got it to switch to tty2
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[3:01] <DJJeff> hrmmmmmmmmm unless I need to just set it to tty3
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[3:07] <muriani> oh nice, holding shit during boot brings up raspi-config?
[3:07] <muriani> er
[3:07] <[Saint]> lol
[3:07] <muriani> shift
[3:07] <[Saint]> :)
[3:07] <steve_rox> i thought it stopped OC
[3:08] <muriani> haha
[3:08] <muriani> oh
[3:08] <steve_rox> unless they changed it
[3:08] <muriani> maybe
[3:08] <muriani> also handy
[3:08] <muriani> lol
[3:08] <steve_rox> damn i dident even notice the spelling there
[3:08] <DJJeff> are people new to linux????
[3:08] <DJJeff> heh
[3:08] <muriani> I was assuming from djjeff's talking
[3:08] <DJJeff> no one bothers looking at bootup scripts?
[3:08] <muriani> not if it works :)
[3:08] <DJJeff> besides me!
[3:09] <[Saint]> Good luck looking deep into the boot process of a raspi dude...
[3:09] <muriani> I'm a fan of if it works, don't fuck with it too much
[3:09] <DJJeff> # Short-Description: Switch to ondemand cpu governor (unless shift key is pressed)
[3:09] <[Saint]> The GPU is a black hole.
[3:09] <muriani> haha
[3:09] <muriani> yeah
[3:09] <muriani> half the embedded GPUs are like that though
[3:10] <DJJeff> SYS_CPUFREQ_GOVERNOR=/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[3:10] <[Saint]> Broadcom has always been a particularly nasty offender, though. They try, I have to give them that. They're just...awful at it.
[3:11] <[Saint]> Way back in the day I was assigned a "Community Liaison Development Officer"
[3:11] <[Saint]> It took me three weeks to get it into his head that I didn't want, or need, the sources - I just wanted a compatible binary blod.
[3:11] <[Saint]> *blob
[3:11] <[Saint]> Then he stopped replying.
[3:11] <muriani> lol
[3:12] <[Saint]> Someone else took over his position, and it took another three weeks to re-describe what we wanted.
[3:12] <[Saint]> And then he stopped replying.
[3:12] <DJJeff> back in redhat 9 linux you had to configure crap during the 3 CD ROM install process
[3:12] <[Saint]> Another one took over, and eventually posted the same version of the binary blod that we already had...for a _different_ device.
[3:12] <DJJeff> these days you pop in a live usb and away you go
[3:12] <[Saint]> ...and then they stopped replying altogether.
[3:12] <DJJeff> takes out all the fun
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[3:13] <muriani> haha, I remember the old redhat days
[3:13] <[Saint]> Never did get a modern Android running on that device...
[3:13] <DJJeff> I mean for the love of !@#$ no one does "install fests" anymore
[3:13] <DJJeff> I miss "install fests"
[3:14] <DJJeff> and "lan parties" with all nighter quake 3 arena fragging fests
[3:14] <[Saint]> I mean, hey, don't get me wrong - Qualcomm is no better. But, at least they don't even try to pretend they're interested in helping out the community.
[3:14] <DJJeff> as an after party to "install fests"
[3:14] <[Saint]> I happen to think that it was worse being strung along by a series of incompetant fools than it would have been to be outright ignored altogether.
[3:15] <DJJeff> look at the pi..... dd if=someimage.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=4M
[3:15] <DJJeff> plug it in and wow it works!
[3:15] <DJJeff> no skills involved
[3:15] <[Saint]> LAN parties aren't a thing anymore because people have Internet that doesn't suck and can play $game, stream voice chat /and/ live video feed simultaneously
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[3:16] <DJJeff> its lost its charm
[3:16] <[Saint]> LAN parties were a bi-product of crap Internet.
[3:16] <DJJeff> it really has
[3:16] <muriani> yup
[3:16] <DJJeff> last lan party I attended some creep just sat and torrented so we could not game
[3:17] <[Saint]> On a semi-related note, I'm _finally_ getting gigabit FTTD next week.
[3:17] <[Saint]> After a combined total of seven years waiting.
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[3:17] <swiss> what rpi 2 case should i get
[3:17] <DJJeff> oh lick my left nutsack I am still on 56k dial up over here
[3:17] <[Saint]> Various government stuff-ups, and then the Earthquakes, put a stopper on multiple FTTD rollout attempts.
[3:18] <[Saint]> I'll have dual bonded gigabit FTTD in a little over a week.
[3:18] <swiss> i'll probably want to be able to breakout-board the pins at some point, but for now i just want it to look sleek
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[3:18] <DJJeff> Saint do you really need GB speeds for your fail porn
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[3:18] <[Saint]> The split is pretty bad, though. I'll "only" have 200mb up.
[3:18] <[Saint]> 1000/200 split.
[3:19] <[Saint]> But, two lines, with bonding...so, yay.
[3:19] <DJJeff> some of us are still creeping at 56.6kbps
[3:19] <DJJeff> so hush
[3:19] <[Saint]> You have my sympathies, friend.
[3:19] <[Saint]> You really do.
[3:19] <DJJeff> and thats if America Online 6.0 does not piss me off
[3:19] <plugwash> [Saint], whereabouts are you?
[3:19] <DJJeff> and drops me
[3:20] <SirLagz> "only"
[3:20] <DJJeff> Ad Supported dial-up :-(
[3:20] <[Saint]> I imagine you'd kill for the current setup of mine that I'm really unhappy with and already maxxing out, unlimited VDSL2+, four lines, dual bonding.
[3:20] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Can I borrow your internet ? :P
[3:20] <[Saint]> plugwash: Christchurch NZ, Waltham specifically.
[3:20] <steve_rox> did aol go bankrupt yet?
[3:21] <[Saint]> AOL is still a thing?
[3:21] <steve_rox> i dont know
[3:21] * [Saint] shrugs
[3:21] <steve_rox> they used to shove so many cd's thu ya door in post
[3:21] <[Saint]> I still have some sealed AOL CDs floating around somewhere.
[3:21] <SirLagz> [Saint]: you still running your little mini-ISP ?
[3:21] <[Saint]> I was going to make coffee mug coasters out of 'em.
[3:21] <steve_rox> think i have aol on a old 1.44mb floppy here ssomewhere
[3:21] <steve_rox> oldest copy i have
[3:22] <[Saint]> SirLagz: Yep. I am. One of the reasons I'm so stoked about finally getting FTTD.
[3:22] <SirLagz> [Saint]: noice
[3:22] <SirLagz> [Saint]: meanwhile, I'm still sitting on ADSL. Damn backwards Oztrayn government
[3:23] <[Saint]> They're putting in a new cabinet as well, which will actually be able to handle all my traffic, finally, without making the rest of the neighbourhood suffer.
[3:23] <SirLagz> haha
[3:23] <[Saint]> The new cabinet/exchange/node is going to be a grand sum total of ~15m away from my house.
[3:23] <[Saint]> 'sgnoona be _awesome_.
[3:23] <SirLagz> can't wait till I get FTTx where I live
[3:23] <steve_rox> i have no idea what that is
[3:24] <SirLagz> i don't care whether it's to the door, to the node, to the street, whatever, Fibre to SOMETHING
[3:24] <steve_rox> i assume its some fiber optical thing
[3:24] * plugwash is suprised that they let saint upgrade to FTTD without giving up his legacy privilages
[3:24] <SirLagz> Fibre to the "SOMETHING"
[3:24] <SirLagz> ANYTHING
[3:24] <[Saint]> Fibre To The {Node|Premises|Exchange|Door|etc.}
[3:24] * SirLagz rages against the government who spent 12 years fighting over how to do FTTx
[3:24] <SirLagz> 12 BLOOODY YEARS
[3:25] <[Saint]> In my case, it'll be fibre right up to the house, then a tiny copper run to my modem.
[3:25] <SirLagz> that's how the new houses had it set up under the old government
[3:25] <SirLagz> no idea how it's going to work with the 'new' government
[3:25] <[Saint]> in other cases, for instance, it could be fibre to the node, and then 2, 3, 400m of copper run to the property.
[3:25] <[Saint]> Which is still good.
[3:25] <SirLagz> if the copper is good...
[3:25] <[Saint]> But FTTD is what you're after ideally.
[3:26] <[Saint]> Less copper, the better.
[3:26] * plugwash is currently on a fiber to the cabinet service with VDSL to the house
[3:26] <[Saint]> Yeah, that's what I'm on presently.
[3:26] <SirLagz> [Saint]: some of the copper here is so bad that we can't even get a phone call over the line, much less any sort of internet :P
[3:26] <DJJeff> they have fibre in the cement down my street
[3:26] <[Saint]> with 4 lines, dual bonding.
[3:26] <DJJeff> could I make a Y split and tap in
[3:26] <[Saint]> SirLagz: Oh dude...
[3:27] <SirLagz> [Saint]: any IT jobs where you are ? :P
[3:27] <[Saint]> DJJeff: errr...no you couldn't.
[3:27] * plugwash recently saw a "virgin media buisness" van driving round his area advertising 10 gigabit service
[3:27] <plugwash> no idea how much they charge for it though
[3:27] <SirLagz> plugwash: where abouts are you ?
[3:28] <[Saint]> Sadly, no. I was really lucky to get the coushy job I have now, even though I _hate_ it with a passion, its boring, menial, "busy work"...there's nothing else in my skill set that will pay nearly as well.
[3:28] <[Saint]> Christchurch is one massive car park now. Since the earthquakes.
[3:28] <[Saint]> We still haven't recovered.
[3:28] <plugwash> SirLagz, stockport UK
[3:28] <SirLagz> plugwash: ah k
[3:29] <SirLagz> I need to get a boss mirror now...they moved me out of my corner :(
[3:30] <[Saint]> I feel really sorry for you SirLagz, your crappy busted-ass government put all their faith in a national fibre rollout, and decided not to upgrade /any/ of your copper infrastructure, argued about the costs of the rollout for the better part of a decade, did everything they could possibly do to screw it up, and then decided to ditch it.
[3:30] <[Saint]> Now you guys are boned.
[3:30] <[Saint]> Stuck with ADSL.
[3:30] <[Saint]> 'Straya, mate!
[3:31] <[Saint]> Cocking up the fibre rollout is one of AU's biggest governmental fails.
[3:31] <SirLagz> [Saint]: yep.
[3:31] <[Saint]> Sorry - cocking it up _repeatedly_, for over a decade.
[3:32] <SirLagz> [Saint]: now they've 'settled' for a HFC/FTTH/FTTN/Wireless mixed tech rollout
[3:32] <SirLagz> which is dumb.
[3:32] <[Saint]> Uuuugh.
[3:32] <[Saint]> It is.
[3:32] <SirLagz> makes me rage so hard.
[3:32] <SirLagz> brb. gonna make some brekky.
[3:32] <DJJeff> so calling fbi after boot is ok
[3:32] <DJJeff> calling it in /etc/rc.local does not work
[3:33] <DJJeff> just says "failed to load" in the bottom
[3:33] <[Saint]> There was a time, many moons ago, when I envied you guy's connection speeds, because you beat us to ADSL by a few years.
[3:33] <[Saint]> But, that's where it stayed.
[3:33] <[Saint]> ...but we kept upgrading our infrastructure. You guys didn't.
[3:33] <DJJeff> I was manager for a cyber cafe that had T1 internet
[3:33] <DJJeff> when 95% of locals on 56k
[3:33] <DJJeff> and select few on dsl
[3:34] <DJJeff> back in like 1997
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[3:34] <DJJeff> I did feel godly at the time
[3:34] <[Saint]> I still have dialup, actually.
[3:34] <DJJeff> now the rest of the world is faster than mine
[3:34] <[Saint]> Actually, I have 4 dialup connections. One for each line.
[3:34] <[Saint]> (they're free)
[3:35] <DJJeff> I miss running that cyber cafe
[3:35] <DJJeff> it was in Redondo Beach, CALI
[3:35] <[Saint]> Its actually nice to use if I lose power, because I can run a small SBC off the UPS for multiple hours, and dialup is passively powered.
[3:35] <[Saint]> So I can still have Internet even with no power on.
[3:35] <[Saint]> SLow Internet, but, Internet nonetheless.
[3:36] * taza (~taza@unaffiliated/taza) Quit ()
[3:36] <[Saint]> Its how I managed to tell all my Internet friends I didn't die in the Earthquakes a few years back.
[3:36] <DJJeff> why would /etc/rcS.d/S01asplashscreen be allowed to show fbi image on boot
[3:36] <DJJeff> but not /etc/rc.local
[3:37] <[Saint]> (We lost power for maybe an hour afterwards - some lost power, Internet, phone, water, sewerage lines...etc. for weeks - so, we were quite lucky)
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[3:37] <[Saint]> The places on either side of us were demolished, and the entire opposite side of the street was a complete disaster, but we got off relatively unscathed.
[3:37] <[Saint]> Earthquakes are amazingly picky about what buildings they destroy.
[3:37] <DJJeff> [~]# man fbi
[3:37] <DJJeff> No manual entry for fbi
[3:37] <DJJeff> [~]#
[3:37] <[Saint]> They seem to almost rolll a dice, or shoose at random.
[3:38] <[Saint]> *roll, *choose
[3:38] <DJJeff> my fav is type # man woman
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[3:38] <DJJeff> No manual entry for woman
[3:39] <SirLagz> lback
[3:39] <[Saint]> mine is cowsay
[3:40] <SirLagz> [Saint]: very lucky that your building survived the earthquake
[3:40] <[Saint]> Or if you screw up ls and type sl instead.
[3:41] <[Saint]> SirLagz: we felt amazingly lucky. When I walked outside, and saw the devastation to all sides of my, front, rear, left, right - I thought, why not us?
[3:41] <[Saint]> And then I looked over in the direction of the CBD (central business district), and saw a massive cloud of dust rising, and remembered that Ms. SirLagz was at work, in a 22 story building.
[3:41] <[Saint]> My heart sank.
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[3:42] <SirLagz> I think you missed a [ when tab-completing there. but yeah. I could imagine the feeling there
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[3:42] <[Saint]> The cellular nodes were all jammed, or nonfunctional, so I couldn't get hold of her, or anyone - I've never been so scared of anything in my life.
[3:42] <SirLagz> I've been lucky so far not to have had anything like that happen to me
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[3:43] <[Saint]> Uhhh...oh, yeah. Sorry, Ms. [Saint], rather. :)
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[3:43] <SirLagz> haha
[3:43] <[Saint]> Ms. SirLagz was not involved. :p
[3:43] <SirLagz> She actually refers to herself as MrsLagz haha
[3:43] <[Saint]> Ah, heh, nice. :)
[3:44] <SirLagz> I think the worst that has happened so far is MrsLagz had a minor confrontation with a curb in her car.
[3:45] <DJJeff> -bash: sl: command not found
[3:45] <SirLagz> [Saint]: actually no...the worse was probably before we had kids and she wasn't quite in the right frame of mind
[3:45] <SirLagz> [Saint]: after some arguments with her parents and whatnot. I don't think I'd ever driven to her house as fast as I did that night
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[3:46] <SirLagz> [Saint]: but that was before she was MrsLagz...that was when she was GFofLagz haha
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[3:51] <[Saint]> DJJeff: some of my favorite linux commands (you might not have them installed) - 'cowsay', 'fortune' (try mixing the two - 'cowsay | fortune'), 'sl' (imagine if you mistyped ls), 'telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl' (this one is amazing), 'toilet' (try 'toilet your text goes here'), asciiquarium (requires some setup - but its awesome), ummmmm...there's more, those are just the ones I remember offhand.
[3:52] <SirLagz> i'm trying that linkenlights one now lol
[3:52] <[Saint]> its really quite cute.
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[3:55] <[Saint]> Oooooooooooh!
[3:55] <[Saint]> How could I forget this!
[3:55] <[Saint]> 'cat /usr/share/calendar/calendar.lotr'
[3:55] <SirLagz> haha nice
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[3:58] <SirLagz> dammit, still hungry after brekky
[3:59] <[Saint]> what'd 'ya have?
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[4:01] <SirLagz> [Saint]: some instant noodles lol
[4:01] <SirLagz> not very filling obviously
[4:01] <[Saint]> But...b...but, Aussie kids are Weetbix kids!
[4:02] <[Saint]> (Here, unsurprisingly, its "Kiwi kids are Weetbix kids")
[4:02] <SirLagz> haha
[4:02] <SirLagz> I can't be bothered having Weebix at work :P
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[4:19] <DJJeff> because spending 5 hours working on something thats solved with 2 lines of code
[4:20] <DJJeff> also telnet starwars is old news
[4:20] <DJJeff> yet still amazing
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[4:21] <DJJeff> the pi cant do telnet out of the box but my centos server can
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[4:21] <DJJeff> they also have a IPv6 version too
[4:22] <DJJeff> but for some god damn it all reason this dial-up ISP of mine wont hand out IPv6
[4:22] <DJJeff> only to buisness class users paying over $100/mth
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[4:39] <[Saint]> Why the hell would they?
[4:39] <[Saint]> I mean, sorry, but...yeah. 56k is dead.
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[4:44] <plugwash> [Saint], sadly it isn't
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[4:45] <plugwash> for some people there aren't any other feasible options :(
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[4:46] <DJJeff> I live in a cave using irc by candle light
[4:47] <SirLagz> [Saint]: there's quite a few people in Australia that still use 56k because FTTx didn't come early enough
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[4:48] <[Saint]> Why not ADSL(2)?
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[4:49] <[Saint]> Anyhoo - crap, late, gotta run.
[4:49] <SirLagz> lol
[4:49] * plugwash would guess that they have phone lines that are too poor to support it
[4:49] <SirLagz> [Saint]: because the exchange is full and/or phone line is too long
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[5:00] <phire> I hate it when the exchange is full
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[5:02] <Criggie> Hey all - does it make sense to run a raspberry pi through one of those portable USB battery banks, as a small UPS ? Or am I being silly ?
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[5:05] <qmr> Criggie: You can do that. Make sure it is rated for 1A
[5:05] <qmr> Most aren't ... SD card might get thwacked. If your OS is on USB might be OK?
[5:05] <qmr> I used to run one at my desk off one of those batteries
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[5:10] <Criggie> qmr: thanks - I'm thinking about replacing an alarm system with a pi... got all teh switches and sensors etc.
[5:10] <Criggie> the old alarm box is getting twitchy and going off when it shouldn't.
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[5:20] <pointious> are all the ground pins the same?
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[5:21] <McBride36> yes
[5:21] <poolson> hey i got a raspberry pi 2 and trying to get something working that i had working on an earlier model
[5:21] <poolson> im getting an error for SPI as follows .... can't send spi message: Invalid argument
[5:21] <poolson> Aborted
[5:21] <Criggie> what's the best way to make something solid - solder it ?
[5:21] <poolson> any ideas what might be up here
[5:21] <poolson> Criggie : yes
[5:22] <poolson> well theres many ways to make something robust ... soldering .. some compression firrings and what not
[5:22] <poolson> fittings
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[5:23] <qmr> Criggie: solder what, exactly?
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[5:25] <Criggie> qmr: relays etc - most of the web howtos talk about breadboards, but that's a bit temporary-feeling
[5:25] <poolson> arrrgh why is my SPI no workie !
[5:25] <poolson> criggie well yes ultimately youll have to solder your components
[5:25] <poolson> breadboard is useful for prototyping
[5:26] <Criggie> gotcha
[5:26] <Criggie> its been 20 years since I've done anything like this
[5:26] <poolson> nothing has changed
[5:26] <Criggie> less lead in the solder :)
[5:26] <Criggie> crappier eyesight
[5:26] <poolson> yeah thats always a problem
[5:26] <poolson> magnification
[5:27] <pointious> are the gpio pins essentially ignored until you load up the module?
[5:27] <qmr> Criggie: make it work on breadboard, then build it on protoboard
[5:27] <Criggie> yep - so my basic plan is a pi with some reed switches and LEDs and a keylock attached, and a relay to run the siren and strobes. And send emails etc if an event happens.
[5:27] <qmr> being blind sucks :(
[5:28] <Criggie> The old alarm once rang for 4 hours because noone was home
[5:28] <Criggie> qmr: yeah - its our internet lifestyle... you don't see outside people wearing glasses much.
[5:28] <Criggie> +prescription glasses instead of sunnies
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[5:29] <qmr> 20/15 here with RGP lenses. haven't worn glasses in years. they would be super thick. my near vision is kind of going. sometimes I wear +1 reading glasses now for eye relief or up close work
[5:29] <Ryzari> anyone around that'd be willing to help with what is probably a very basic linux question?
[5:30] <qmr> Ryzari: Just ask your question. If someone is willing and able to assist they will.
[5:30] <mitchtay> I know I need glasses but I refuse to go to an optometrist because they'll tell me I need glasses.
[5:30] <Criggie> qmr: pffft mine are 11 and 12 in prescription :(
[5:30] <Criggie> I wear bottle bottom
[5:31] <pointious> i cannot get this temp probe (DS18B20) to show up :/
[5:31] <Ryzari> well, i am trying to compile snes9x-next.. what do i do with this line of code { export CFLAGS="-mcpu=cortex-a7 -mfpu=neon-vfpv4" }
[5:31] <qmr> Criggie: spectacles? I'm something like a -11.5 and -12.5 in spectacle. w contacts it's like -10.5 -11.25 or something
[5:32] <mitchtay> Looks like you'd type that before you run make
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[5:32] <mitchtay> But it won't work unless you're compiling for a pi2
[5:32] <mitchtay> Because it looks to want neon and armv7 instructions
[5:32] <qmr> speaking of pi2, any idea why it lacks gbe? :/
[5:32] <Ryzari> i have a pi2, typing that in cli gives an error though
[5:33] <Ryzari> can i paste a link with the instructions i'm trying?
[5:33] <qmr> Ryzari: are you entering the braces?
[5:33] <Ryzari> no
[5:33] <Ryzari> i added those for here
[5:33] <pointious> i've checked the wiring, loaded the modules, but still doesnt show up in /sys/bus/w1/devices
[5:33] <qmr> Ryzari: pastebin your shell session showing the error and any context
[5:33] <mitchtay> what compiler are you using?
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[5:34] <Ryzari> http://blog.petrockblock.com/forums/topic/can-we-officially-add-snes9x-next-core-to-retropie/#post-89294
[5:34] <Ryzari> trying to do what cacophony says there
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[5:34] <Ryzari> but that first line i don't know whatto do with
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[5:35] <Ryzari> i've used make before, but never with cflags
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[5:37] <mitchtay> Okay try this: $ CFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=arm1176jzf-s -mfpu=cfp -mfloat-abi=hard" make"
[5:37] <mitchtay> that should work for a normal original pi
[5:37] <Ryzari> i have a pi2
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[5:37] <mitchtay> It should work for both
[5:38] <mitchtay> and alsow ith the compiler that ships with Raspian
[5:38] <theRealGent> anyone here use Genesis plugin?
[5:38] <theRealGent> Along with Trakt?
[5:38] <Ryzari> and I just enter that into cli?
[5:38] <mitchtay> yes.
[5:39] <mitchtay> oops. I just noticed an error. It should ready -mfpu=vfp ... not cfp
[5:39] <Ryzari> so git clone, cd, then that line to make?
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[5:47] <Criggie> so is there any reason at all to buy an older model of pi over the newest Pi 2 ? I can't see anything, and its greenfields so no existing kit to worry about.
[5:48] <jdost> does anyone know of an extensive list of usb wireless adapters that both work with the pi and support the nl80211 standard ?
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[5:49] <Ryzari> cheap monoprice 1T1R adapter working fine on mine
[5:49] <qmr> wired ftw
[5:50] <jdost> I have it wired but want to make it an AP
[5:50] <jdost> I have a realtek chipset, but the drivers for linux are... poor
[5:50] <Criggie> agreed... 100 or 1000 Mbit full duplex to yourself is better than any wireless half duplex shared.
[5:51] <Criggie> jdost: s/for linux //
[5:51] <Criggie> :P
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[5:51] <jdost> heh, I only run linux, so don't know what else there is :P
[5:52] <Criggie> realtek? Just don't do it.
[5:52] <Criggie> That said my home firewall has realtek on board, and it works fine there.
[5:52] <Criggie> but I'd rather spend a bit more and avoid problems.
[5:52] <jdost> a friend me loaned me theirs, now trying to find an alternative
[5:52] <Criggie> jdost: using a Pi as an access point ?
[5:52] <jdost> I cannot find anything that gives a comprehensive list of what drivers they use
[5:53] <jdost> yeah
[5:53] <Criggie> jdost: politely, you're fucking nuts.
[5:53] <chisight> jdost, cool.
[5:53] <chisight> Criggie, why?
[5:53] <jdost> hostapd works well
[5:53] <Criggie> jdost: I'd strongly recommend a normal AP vs using hostapd
[5:53] <jdost> when you have nl80211 compatible drivers
[5:53] <jdost> I have a home AP, this is meant for travel
[5:54] <chisight> Criggie, why isn't the pi a good AP?
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[5:54] <Criggie> well, it comes back to the "I want my network to work"
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[5:54] <chisight> the Pi has always been reliable.
[5:54] <Criggie> chisight: To me, hostap mode has always been more trouble than its worth
[5:54] <Criggie> I'm new to Pi so can't comment there
[5:55] <jdost> I know how to deal with linux networking, but that is when I have drivers that work
[5:55] <Criggie> but I have used wireless cards inside pfsense boxes as APs, and yes, they do work
[5:55] <Criggie> but its that "mostly works" vs "always works"
[5:56] <Criggie> I've had a cisco 1131 AP for many years and never had to do anything with it, other than the initial setup.
[5:56] <Criggie> I'm not saying don't do it, but what's your time worth ?
[5:56] <jdost> I flashed my linksys with dd-wrt and it works great
[5:56] <jdost> but I am not dragging that with me when I travel
[5:56] <Criggie> jdost: yep - good idea
[5:56] <chisight> ok Criggie, noted. i was considering migrating the b and b+ to lesser duty and going pi2 but sounds like not a good application for the old machines.
[5:57] <Criggie> jdost: ok the portable thing puts it in another light, so fair call.
[5:57] <jdost> I also like the idea of having a good firewall sitting between me and whatever international ethernet line I am given
[5:57] <Criggie> chisight: I like the linksys/cisco wap121... its small, cheap, 11n and POE.
[5:57] <chisight> Criggie, i like the low power thing.
[5:58] <Criggie> chisight: okay - but that's incidental point, not a main motivator.
[5:58] <chisight> been using an wnr3500u as an ap. it's pretty limited.
[5:59] <chisight> low power and a real distro, that's the motivation.
[5:59] <Criggie> chisight: all they have to do is move packets... don't want it to do everything.
[5:59] <chisight> Criggie, it has to do more than move packets.
[5:59] <chisight> Criggie, it has to handle security needs. today that means encrypted access.
[5:59] <Ryzari> have a wndr4500 in AP mode on my pfsense box, not had any issues from it
[6:00] <chisight> the wnr3500u hasn't been unreliable. it's stable.
[6:00] <Criggie> chisight: there's the main point... its got to be stable and reliable.
[6:01] <chisight> it doesn't support a vpn that is compatible to everything i want to use and is actually safe.
[6:01] <chisight> Criggie, i agree... stability is critical too.
[6:02] <chisight> android supports microsoft vpn and secure vpn. i'm not going microsoft and that's all that tomato supports.
[6:02] <Criggie> chisight: openvpn is good - clients for almost everything.
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[6:05] <chisight> ipsecpsk is the only non microsoft vpn android supports.
[6:05] <niston> there certainly is an openVPN client for android.
[6:05] <chisight> and tomato doesn't support ipsec psk.
[6:05] <Criggie> chisight: rubbish. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.blinkt.openvpn
[6:05] <chisight> native client.
[6:06] <Criggie> you mean pre-instaled?
[6:06] <chisight> why does a vpn client need access to read my entire usp drive?
[6:06] <chisight> usb
[6:06] <Criggie> if that's all people wanted we'd still be using pptp on windows
[6:07] <chisight> noodle, i want open source. fully open.
[6:07] <Criggie> chisight: dunno - you're good to think about "does this app really need this?"
[6:08] <Criggie> one that bugs me about android / google ecosystem is that it synchs your wireless credentials to the backup
[6:08] <chisight> and does it really need full access to my sdcard?
[6:08] <Criggie> so a new phone just works on all your networks
[6:08] <Criggie> Hell no!
[6:08] <chisight> YeahRight, mine never has synced a new phone.
[6:08] <chisight> never will if i can help it.
[6:09] <Ryzari> man, why do people never understand android permissions
[6:10] <Criggie> Ryzari: the authors or the users ?
[6:10] <Ryzari> users
[6:10] <chisight> Ryzari, are you trying to say that "read the contents of your USB storage" doesn't mean it has access to my sdcard?
[6:10] <Criggie> Ryzari: you know how users are on average, rather dumb ?
[6:11] <Criggie> Ryzari: as a group I mean ?
[6:11] <Ryzari> it needs access to save settings, and read settings
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[6:11] <Criggie> Ryzari: remember, half of them are below that average, and therefore dumber than that.
[6:11] <Ryzari> it doesn't mean "let me see your sdcard so i can clone everything on it to my servers"
[6:11] <Criggie> Ryzari: well that's the permission its asking for, right?
[6:11] <chisight> in the defense of user, google has done the best they can to obfuscate the situation.
[6:12] <Criggie> would be better to ask "app wants to read and write some settings of its own"
[6:12] <chisight> Ryzari, it means all data flagged xx7 and all data marked as owned by it.
[6:12] <Ryzari> amazing how many people install stuff on their pc, never worried about what it can access, but put permissions popup on their phone, they go nuts
[6:13] <Criggie> Ryzari: when does a PC ask for permission ?
[6:13] <chisight> Ryzari, sure, there are windows users out there. so?
[6:13] <Criggie> Nigh tall.
[6:13] <chisight> windoze security is assume shit.
[6:13] <chisight> night Criggie.
[6:13] <chisight> thanks for the info about stability.
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[6:16] <chisight> Ryzari, install a terminal and shell app on your phone without root and see what you can access. that's xx7 rights and the app's own files. you'd be surprised at what can be accessed.
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[6:18] <chisight> xxr to be more precise.
[6:19] <DJJeff> the image was only 2GB but my microsd is 4GB will doing the raspi-config enable the 4GB?
[6:19] <DJJeff> im getting no space left on device errors
[6:20] <Ryzari> expand filesystem?
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[6:21] <chisight> DJJeff, yes you need to expand the filesystem using raspi-config.
[6:22] <DJJeff> I ran the raspi-config
[6:22] <DJJeff> it did not expand
[6:23] <chisight> should be one of the menu options. if not, you'll have to do it manually. there's lots of help to be found with google.
[6:24] <DJJeff> raspi-config expand is borked
[6:25] <chisight> if it's not working for you, google.
[6:25] <DJJeff> I think my google is broken too
[6:26] <chisight> lol
[6:26] <chisight> be prepared to say what you tried before asking for help online.
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[6:27] <DJJeff> ummmmmmmmm
[6:27] <DJJeff> I tried raspi-config ?
[6:27] <Ryzari> man i give up on this snes9x-next.. always seg faults when i try to run it after make
[6:27] <Ryzari> all i wanted was my ps3 controller in snes :(
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[6:28] <chisight> ps3 controller... now that's interesting.
[6:28] <DJJeff> I have been setting up wiimote to work with emulation station
[6:28] <DJJeff> made a nice rc.local file to set it up on boot
[6:28] <DJJeff> https://bpaste.net/show/7f44df4376fa
[6:28] <Ryzari> works fine in all other emulators, but not stock snes
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[6:38] <pointious> i'm having an impossible time getting this relatively easy setup working. is there anything on here that is outdated?: http://www.reuk.co.uk/DS18B20-Temperature-Sensor-with-Raspberry-Pi.htm https://learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-11-ds18b20-temperature-sensing.pdf
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[8:12] <kreiggers> can NOOBS do network install over wifi?
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[8:31] <ShorTie> sortta don't think so, be too many drivers
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[8:35] <SirLagz> it's probably possible to make it do it
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[8:44] <ShorTie> sure, but think it would get complicated and they would never have the right driver/firmware built in for all
[8:44] <ShorTie> so sticking to the nic, which they know, is like the easiest
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[8:52] <Praesmeodymium> I was considering making an atlas scanner or something similar using freelss that requires the pi to drive a stepper motor whats a good hat for that?
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[10:18] <Encrypt> So, I'm going to install OpenCv on a Raspberry Pi cluster
[10:18] <Encrypt> I found that: http://robertcastle.com/2014/02/installing-opencv-on-a-raspberry-pi/
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[10:18] <Encrypt> I can read: "And finally, build. This will take a long time (about 10 hours!)."
[10:18] <Encrypt> Challenge Accepted! :D
[10:20] <Encrypt> Hum, in fact
[10:21] <shiftplusone> seems a bit pointless
[10:21] <Encrypt> I'd better run "sudo apt-get install libopencv-dev" I think...
[10:21] <Encrypt> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27069789/the-correct-manner-to-install-opencv-in-raspberrypi-to-use-it-with-python
[10:21] <Encrypt> StackOverflow topic
[10:22] <shiftplusone> unless you know there are features you need that are missing in wheezy's opencv
[10:22] <shiftplusone> I just installed from apt and used it without any problems
[10:22] <Encrypt> Ok, thanks
[10:22] <Encrypt> That will be faster...
[10:23] <shiftplusone> a little
[10:24] <Encrypt> :p
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[10:39] <poolson> FINALLY !
[10:40] <poolson> finally got my rf24 shit moved from a rpi 1 to rpi 2
[10:41] <ShorTie> stuff*
[10:41] <poolson> what stuff dude ?
[10:43] <ShorTie> stuff works alot nicer/family friendly then that other s word
[10:43] <poolson> shit?
[10:43] <ShorTie> ya
[10:43] <poolson> not really
[10:43] <poolson> it has just the right amount of emphasis for the situation
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[10:47] <poolson> im sure youll agree
[10:48] <ShorTie> not really, but that is just my personal opion
[10:48] <poolson> well dude in the grand scheme of things
[10:48] <poolson> your opinion is a bit soft
[10:48] <ShorTie> not even sure if it is topic friendly
[10:49] <poolson> what ?
[10:49] <poolson> talking about the shit i migrated from a pi1 to pi2?
[10:49] <poolson> was a good day dude
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[12:20] <turtlehat> hello i am using raspbian, and i conencted a harddisk via usb, and i had only partitioned about half of it, in 2 partitions, showing up as sdb1 and sdb2
[12:21] <turtlehat> then i used gparted to make another partition, but now the disk shows up as sdc[1-3]
[12:21] <turtlehat> im afraid to reboot, worried that this will cause weird effects on the system
[12:22] <mitchtay_> Did this happen without a reboot? Did you disconnect the drive and reconnect it while the system was running?
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[12:23] <mitchtay_> I'd say that if you can still mount all of the filesystems then it's fine. If you're very paranoid about it you could run an fsck first before rebooting to make sure they're all still intact and assuming a clean dismount then it should be fine.
[12:23] <turtlehat> yea no reboot
[12:23] <turtlehat> and the sdb1 thats mounted still responds and i cn browse it
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[12:23] <mitchtay_> I see... that is strange.
[12:23] <turtlehat> df says its sdb1 still
[12:23] <turtlehat> yea
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[12:24] <turtlehat> ls /dev/sd* shows no sdb*
[12:24] <mitchtay_> what does mount show?
[12:24] <mitchtay_> and ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[12:24] <turtlehat> /dev/sdb1 on /storage type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[12:24] <ShorTie> what does 'fdisk -l' show ??
[12:25] <turtlehat> fdisk -l shows only sda* and sdc*
[12:25] <turtlehat> no sdb
[12:25] <turtlehat> and sdc is clearly the volume that used to be sdb
[12:25] <Furah> Hey guys, I've run into a problem. My rpi will only boot if ethernet is plugged in. It happens across SD cards, OSes, and even connected routers.
[12:25] <mitchtay_> It sounds as if the communication between fdisk -> kernel -> udev got messed up when you wrote the changes to the filesystem.
[12:26] <turtlehat> ill try a reboot and pray
[12:26] <mitchtay_> Furah: Can you elborate on what happens if the ethernet is not plugged in?
[12:26] <ShorTie> kinda looks to me gparted sortta messed things up, not much i know about on how to fix it, i'd reboot, cross your fingers and hope for the best i guess
[12:28] <turtlehat> ah its fine, a reboot fixed it all
[12:28] <ShorTie> Cool
[12:29] <Furah> mitchtay_: With no USB devices plugged in I get the red power light stay on. The green light (I forget what it is) will flash for a number of seconds, and then go out, only leaving the red light on.
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[12:30] <Furah> mitchtay_: With my USB wifi adapter, the same happens, only after a few seconds the wifi's light will flash until the green stops flashing, when it also goes out.
[12:31] <ShorTie> what image is on the sdcards ??
[12:31] <Furah> ShorTie: Raspbian.
[12:32] <Furah> It also occurs with ArchLinux ARM.
[12:32] <ShorTie> from ??
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[12:32] <mitchtay_> Hmm.. I don't suppose you have an FTDI/TTL Serial adapter to connect to the mini uart to see if the kernel is reporting any errors on boot (assuming it gets that far.)
[12:32] <Furah> I've tried the RPI website, and the torrent.
[12:32] <turtlehat> cp -r follows links?
[12:32] <turtlehat> or just copies the link?
[12:32] <mitchtay_> Also are there any images shown over hdmi or composite.
[12:33] <ShorTie> how are you writing the image to the sdcard ??
[12:33] <Furah> Oh, I can use HDMI in place of the ethernet adapter to get it to start.
[12:34] <mitchtay_> Are you using a pi1 or pi2?
[12:35] <Furah> Original Model B.
[12:35] <ShorTie> so now i'm cornfused, you doing this headless or with a monitor ??
[12:35] <Furah> Headless.
[12:35] <ShorTie> have you tried ssh`n into it ??
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[12:36] <Furah> Yes, it's how I came to notice it originally.
[12:36] <ShorTie> the green light will stop once it's booted
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[12:37] <ShorTie> it's a activaty light, so no activaty == no light
[12:37] <Furah> If I have either HDMI or ethernet connected, I get other lights, and the wifi functions.
[12:38] <ShorTie> ethernet connected == other lights
[12:38] <Furah> There's 2-3 other lights. Are they all ethernet?
[12:38] <ShorTie> wifi would so no lights unless reading/writing to sdcard
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[12:38] <ShorTie> yes sir
[12:40] <Furah> Seems that I can access the SSH login shell while the lights are on.
[12:40] <Furah> As soon as they go out, it loses connection though.
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[12:40] <ShorTie> don't think HDMI would show any other lights either
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[12:40] <ShorTie> then things are working fine, except wifi maybe
[12:41] <Furah> If either are plugged in though, wifi funcitons normally.
[12:41] <Furah> Err, now it's not.
[12:41] <ShorTie> that like makes no sense, at least to me
[12:42] <Furah> Welcome to my life the past few months.
[12:42] <ShorTie> have you setup wifi with ssid and stuff ??
[12:42] <Furah> It's just not been enough of an issue to warrant trying to solve it until now.
[12:43] <Furah> I've used wpa_supplicant on rasbian, wifi-menu on archlinux.
[12:43] <ShorTie> wifi does not work out of the box, needs setup to work
[12:43] <Furah> I've used these same methods every time I've set up the pi.
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[12:44] <ShorTie> sortta sounds like you need more to setup wifi correctly
[12:44] <Furah> I've determined the IP for both ethernet and wifi, when I've been connected using both.
[12:44] <Furah> Pinging either works.
[12:44] <ShorTie> might try wicd-cursers
[12:45] <ShorTie> just because you can pung wifi, doesn't mean it's setup properly for communication i believe
[12:45] <ShorTie> s/pung/ping/
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[12:46] <Furah> Sorry.
[12:46] <Furah> Using, not pinging.
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[12:48] <ShorTie> using, is that with the cable attached too ??
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[12:48] <Furah> With ethernet attached, wifi and ethernet functions.
[12:49] <Furah> With ethernet unplugged, wifi doesn't.
[12:49] <ShorTie> correct
[12:49] <ShorTie> debian/raspbian will use cable first
[12:49] <Furah> I mean I can ssh in using either the ethernet IP, or wifi IP.
[12:49] <ShorTie> so it's still sounding like wifi is not properly setup to me
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[12:50] <pksato> wifi and ethernet are on same network ?
[12:50] <ShorTie> got me, it's your network not mine
[12:51] <Furah> Same network.
[12:52] <Furah> Uh, with wicd-curses, how do I emulate F10 over SSH?
[12:52] <ShorTie> but 'ifconfig' should tell you if they are connected to the same network
[12:53] <pksato> disconecting cable, not aways drop interface and related configuration.
[12:53] <ShorTie> sorry, been awhile and CRS is kickin in
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[12:59] <Furah> ShorTie: CRS?
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[13:05] <Furah> Ah.
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[13:07] * SpeedEvil quacks.
[13:09] * Armand ducks
[13:10] * shiftplusone mooses
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[13:11] <Furah> It's still doing it. This is infuriating.
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[13:12] <Furah> No, it seems I'm impatient.
[13:14] <ShorTie> na, thats Linux till you figure out the little thing not right, then it's head banging the desk saying dah...
[13:15] <shiftplusone> Woo... memory bandwidth improved 2x on the pi2 with the new mem* routines.
[13:15] <Furah> 9/10 for me a reboot fixes it.
[13:15] <shiftplusone> If anyone wants to take advantage of it... https://github.com/bavison/arm-mem
[13:15] <ShorTie> sure you are putting the ssid, password and stuff in correctly
[13:15] <Furah> Guess what a techie will NEVER say could fix it?
[13:16] <shiftplusone> Furah, you sorted it out?
[13:17] <Furah> I think so.
[13:17] <shiftplusone> what was it?
[13:17] <Furah> Wicd-curses > wpa_supplicant.
[13:18] <shiftplusone> ah, I only read your first post where you claimed that the pi wouldn't boot without the ethernet cable plugged in. Didn't know you moved on from that.
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[13:19] <Furah> I'll probably be back in 3 months when it starts up again.
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[13:19] <Ryzari> anyonee have any idea why my ps3 controller was working fine, shutdown and moved the pi, now bt won't reconnect.. I really don't wanna wipe retropie yet again to restore it
[13:20] <ShorTie> any time, we try to do our best to help
[13:20] <Furah> Before I pass out to start another early day...
[13:20] <Furah> Where do I find logs?
[13:21] <ShorTie> normally in /var/log
[13:21] <Furah> Trying to see if I can figure out why this script isn't working.
[13:21] <Furah> Before I message the creator on reddit for help.
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[13:21] <ShorTie> that stuff may not be logged though
[13:22] <ShorTie> more depends on script and the logging they setup i believe
[13:22] <Furah> When I did try using HDMI, it did come up with an error.
[13:22] <Furah> At least reading the output it gave will give me something.
[13:23] <Furah> Better than "Hi, I followed your guide, it's not working.".
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[13:25] <ShorTie> got a link to the script so maybe we could take a gander at it ??
[13:26] <Furah> Just pastebin it?
[13:26] <Furah> http://pastebin.com/gZQN0aSx
[13:27] <Furah> It's basically starting VPN and then transmission.
[13:28] <ShorTie> never used vpn like that, but double check all your ip address i would guess
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[13:28] <Furah> Both openvpn and transmission are running.
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[13:28] <Furah> However, I can't use the internet at all.
[13:29] <Furah> Even pinging an IP address times out.
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[13:29] <Furah> Well, pinging anything not on the local network.
[13:30] <ShorTie> guessing, but it may be sumfin in your router too...
[13:30] <ShorTie> like port not opened up
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[13:31] <Furah> I've never had an issue with ports on Linux before.
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[13:32] <Furah> Just assumed it was Just Windows Things TM.
[13:32] <ShorTie> more of a firewall thing then a os thing
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[13:38] <Furah> Oh, I think I figured it out.
[13:39] <Furah> In the script I had to use different routing IPs, as my network is different.
[13:39] <Furah> One had an incorrect address.
[13:40] <Furah> Nope.
[13:41] <Furah> Or maybe.
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[13:42] <Furah> Just noticed that it seems to resolve to the correct IP when attempting to ping.
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[14:10] <thescatman> guys I have a hard drive plugged into my pi, and am using retropie. how can I see/access the drive through ssh or through the pi?
[14:11] <thescatman> (pi 2)
[14:11] <thescatman> I can't see it using my windows pc when I look at the pi on network, but I haven't formatted it or anything so that might be it
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[14:12] <ShorTie> thus is true, without formatting and mounting not really gonna see it
[14:12] <ozzzy> thescatman, usb powered or separate powered
[14:13] <ShorTie> should show up in /dev and/or 'fdisk -l', but thats about it i believe
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[14:14] * ozzzy just plugged his NTFS external into the Pi and it popped up on the desktop
[14:14] <thescatman> ShorTie, how can I format it while it's on the pi?
[14:15] <thescatman> and what's the command to see it in /dev or fdisk? I'm still writing down all thse trerminal commands
[14:15] <ozzzy> mkfs is your friend
[14:15] <ozzzy> check dmesg to see where it is (ie: /dev/sd?)
[14:15] <ozzzy> then just try mounting it
[14:16] <ozzzy> if you want to change the file system then mkfs.[filesys] /dev/sd[?]
[14:16] <thescatman> ozzzy, what mkfs command do I use to actually see what's on the drive?
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[14:17] <ozzzy> mkfs is to format
[14:17] <ozzzy> fdisk is to see
[14:17] <thescatman> oh
[14:17] <thescatman> ok
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[14:17] <ozzzy> so... run dmesg
[14:17] <ozzzy> find out where the drive is
[14:17] <ozzzy> then run something like fdisk /dev/sda
[14:17] <ShorTie> but only can use mkfs after you use fdisk
[14:17] <ozzzy> or b... or where the drive lives
[14:18] <ozzzy> no... you can use mkfs anytime, but it's to format the drive, not to look at it
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[14:19] <thescatman> ozzzy, Did dmesg
[14:19] <thescatman> trying to sift throug hthis mass of info...
[14:19] <ozzzy> easy... unplug the drive... count to 10... plug it back in
[14:19] <ozzzy> then run dmesg
[14:19] <ozzzy> the last few entries should be your drive
[14:19] <thescatman> Ahh ok
[14:20] <thescatman> alright, I have it
[14:21] <thescatman> what kind of name would the drive have?
[14:21] <thescatman> it says usb 1-1.3
[14:22] <thescatman> formatted in etx-4-fs
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[14:22] <thescatman> ext4-fs*
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[14:23] <mrzk> hello everyone
[14:23] <mrzk> does anybody here knows how to make egalax USB touch works under raspbian?
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[15:40] <pgpgpgp> Hi, is it OK to use the git-annex version from the repo on Raspberry Pi?
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[15:42] <cehteh> ok in what sense?
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[15:43] <cehteh> i think i have it installed it on the pi, but not used there
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[15:43] <pgpgpgp> is the version I get by "sudo apt-get install git-annex" a good version for a Raspberry Pi?
[15:43] <pgpgpgp> since it's ARM etc.
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[15:44] <pgpgpgp> for ex, Seafile has version for generic Linux server and a special version for Raspberry Pi
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[15:48] <cehteh> try git annex test
[15:48] <cehteh> if it successfully compiled its prolly ok
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[15:50] <pgpgpgp> yea I'm just gonna try and this what happens
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[15:50] <cehteh> ah not compiled with tests, or i remembered the selftest wrongly
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[15:51] <cehteh> anyway, when it compiled it will most likely work somewhat, otherwise you can install the whole haskell lore and build from source
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[15:53] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, Appaently there is a problem with raspbian's repo
[15:53] <Encrypt> http://pastebin.com/i3rpqhxq
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[16:05] <shiftplusone> Encrypt, apt-get update ?
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[16:08] <Encrypt> Hum
[16:08] <Encrypt> Good idea indeed
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[16:14] <willmore> shiftplusone, I don't know if you remember, but I was having a problem with model B a few weeks back where it was having communication errors with its SD card. I've moved the services off of that box and I'm not playing with it to see if I can diagnose things better.
[16:15] <willmore> It occured to me that I had never run rpi-update on it. So I just did. Any chance that'll change the interaction the pi has with the SD card? I don't know if the 'firmware' that the rpi-update changes might effect that or if that's just kernel level driver.
[16:15] <willmore> Any opinion?
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[16:16] <shiftplusone> Don't run rpi-update. It download the bleeding edge firmware and kernel. This stuff is normally managed by the raspberrypi-bootloader package, so if you run apt-get upgrade once in a while, you don't need rpi-update.
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[16:17] <shiftplusone> so the 'firmware' rpi-update downloads is also the kernel and all the modules
[16:17] <shiftplusone> But I don't remember the nature of the issue you were having.
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[16:23] <willmore> Ahh, okay, I'll never run that again, then.
[16:24] <willmore> shiftplusone, the problem was the SD interface failing and having trouble reading. The presumption was that the socket itself was failing. I've done a few things to reinforce the socket and the problem returned (with a different card).
[16:24] <willmore> So, I'll run it for a bit and see.
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[16:24] <willmore> I'll make a note not to run rpi-update, though.
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[16:25] <shiftplusone> And this is the old model b? not pi2, not b+?
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[16:25] <willmore> old model b
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[16:26] <willmore> full sized, non-backed SD card slot.
[16:27] <shiftplusone> I have had times where I've done everything I could to the slot and it would still fail. I ended up replacing the slot itself. But you 100% it's not the slot?
[16:27] <willmore> I reinforced it by putting a brace over the back side of the SD card slot. I can put little shims in between that and the SD card to keep it properly tensioned.
[16:27] <willmore> No, not convince it's not the slot in the least.
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[16:27] <shiftplusone> hm
[16:27] <willmore> Three different cards used and sill the issue. That makes me think it's not the cards, but the slot.
[16:28] <willmore> So, yeah, next step would be to suck that socket off and replace it.
[16:28] <OffensiveUser> solder the sd card directly to the board
[16:28] <willmore> Uhh, no.
[16:28] <willmore> If I replace it, I'll use one of the many uSD adapters I have lying around for arduinos.
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[16:29] <willmore> Full metal click-click uSD sockets like the B+ and B2 use.
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[16:30] <Bilby> I haven't had any problems with my B's SD card slot, but i don't really move it much. Are you replacing SD cards regularly?
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[16:32] <qmr> anyone here have a working GPIO IR receiver setup? I can't get mine to work
[16:33] <willmore> Bilby, nope, this was for a box on my network that served DHCP and DNS. It sat alone for quite a while.
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[16:36] <TheLostAdmin> shiftplusone: could you point me at where that stuff about taking you to the bleeding edge of firmware and kernel is documented? It sure isn't covered where I would expect it to be (http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/raspbian/updating.md)
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> TheLostAdmin, what are you after exactly?
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[16:39] <qmr> spews stuff from mode2 or such, but after making a conf file w irrecord nothing shows up in irw
[16:40] <qmr> log file is super spammed though. I tried putting resistors between sense pin and GPIO, that cleaned up debug spam, but still no workie
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[16:42] <TheLostAdmin> shiftplusone: you said that rpi-update will update your kernel and firmware to the bleeding edge as opposed to the most current stable/release quality. Nothing on the RPI updating page indicates that. I would like to know where the RPi people documented that behaviour.
[16:43] <shiftplusone> "The kernel and firmware are installed as a Debian package, and so will also get updates when using the procedure above. These packages are updated infrequently (after extensive testing); if you want to try more recent experimental software, it's also easy to update to the latest available version using the rpi-update tool."
[16:43] <shiftplusone> Are you asking because you would like to verify or are you asking because you want to make sure it's documented in an obvious place for the sake of others?
[16:44] <TheLostAdmin> that'll teach me to read properly. Thanks.
[16:44] <shiftplusone> ah, okay
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[16:44] <TheLostAdmin> and bit of both.
[16:44] <ali1234> what about downgrading again afterwards?
[16:45] <shiftplusone> ali1234, hm?
[16:45] <McBride36> anything interesting in a scanner that i could possilby use?
[16:45] <ali1234> rpi-update makes backups, how do i use them?
[16:45] <TheLostAdmin> downgrades are covered in the detailed documentation of both rpi-update and apt-get (man pages).
[16:45] <McBride36> with the pi
[16:46] <shiftplusone> ah
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[16:46] <ali1234> what happens if i run rpi-update once, and then after that i always use apt-get?
[16:46] <shiftplusone> McBride36, the motors and rods are always useful.
[16:46] <ali1234> someone told me apt-get will eventually superseed the rpi-update kernel
[16:46] <shiftplusone> ali1234, yeah, that's what you'd expect to happen.
[16:47] <ali1234> shouldn't apt-get complain if it tries to overwrite a file which has been modified by the user?
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[16:47] <vibhavp> Would there be any downsides to using my pi as a router?
[16:47] <clever> i dotn think it will do that if the user already overwrote an apt file
[16:48] <TheLostAdmin> Ali1234, if I've read the documentation correctly... apt-get updates you to the latest stable/release code. Eventually whatever is bleeding edge gets enough bugs fixed that it (or some later incarnation of it) becomes stable/release.
[16:48] <ali1234> vibhavp: yes, it has pretty slow network with only one port hanging off USB
[16:48] <clever> vibhavp: i think bandwidth is the main issue, it might bot be able to keep up with your modem
[16:48] <Bilby> vibhavp throughput is fairly slow
[16:48] <vibhavp> ah, so the network is the problem
[16:48] <ali1234> network is pretty important for a router...
[16:48] <shiftplusone> Aye, a 100mbit router might be a tad 'meh'
[16:49] <vibhavp> ali1234: any idea of the factor by which it can slow down?
[16:49] <clever> i have ran a 200mhz desktop as my router before
[16:49] <clever> but thats when my down pipe was only 600kbyte/sec
[16:49] <Bilby> http://www.deckle.co.uk/blog/using-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-super-fast-broadband-router-performance/
[16:49] <vibhavp> because my ISP provides a pretty shitty internet with only 200 kbps downpipe
[16:49] <TheLostAdmin> ali1234: apt-get will complain if it tries to update a config file that you modified. I'm not sure about binary checks.
[16:49] <ali1234> "super fast" lol
[16:49] <vibhavp> heh
[16:49] <clever> vibhavp: the pi should be able to keep up with that i think
[16:49] <vibhavp> wooo
[16:50] <vibhavp> clever: and what about transfer over LAN?
[16:50] <clever> you will have trouble getting a 2nd ethernet port for the lan side though
[16:50] <Bilby> that link found you'll get 35-55 Mbit throughput, that's about it
[16:50] <qmr> 200Mhz is a ton for a SOHO router
[16:50] <Bilby> so fine for internet <-> computer, not so fine for computer <-> computer
[16:51] <vibhavp> ah
[16:51] <qmr> I used to have a ppro set up as router. worked great
[16:51] <clever> qmr: i think it was a pentium 1, 600kbyte/sec caused about 70% cpu usage
[16:51] <vibhavp> qmr: I think processor speed doesnt matter as much as the latency of the netowkr interface
[16:51] <vibhavp> ...right?
[16:51] <clever> it was only doing NAT duties, i used a proper switch for lan traffic and to share the 1 LAN port
[16:52] <Bilby> qmr / vibhavp a lot of it comes down to the fact that routers have dedicated circuitry to sort data efficiently. the pi doesn't, it's limited to what fits on the USB bus
[16:52] <clever> yeah
[16:52] <Bilby> If you do as clever says you could run it that way and it would work fine
[16:52] <clever> thats the same reason my 200mhz desktop ate so much cpu usage
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[16:52] <Bilby> but really, why? Better to just run a purpose-built router and a pi for what else you want :P
[16:52] <clever> Bilby: because my 2nd last 'router' couldnt forward a single port, lol
[16:52] <vibhavp> Bilby: experimenting
[16:52] <qmr> only if you have control of that purpose built router
[16:53] <Bilby> lol
[16:53] <clever> qmr: yep, zero port-forwards makes it useless
[16:53] <qmr> clever: hm?
[16:53] <Bilby> that would be frustrating, yes. i guess if you needed to use what you had it would be fine
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[16:54] <clever> my last dsl 'router' was a combo router+modem, and the ISP butchered the firmware
[16:54] <clever> they made it idiot proof
[16:54] <clever> and removed every feature
[16:54] <Bilby> idiot proof = they hired better idiots?
[16:54] <clever> it only had a single page, asking you for your name/pw
[16:54] <clever> in english or french
[16:55] <clever> nothing more
[16:55] <ali1234> my router has 5x 1000mbit LAN ports, ABGN 300mbit dual radios, ADSL2+ up to 24mbit, 128mb ram and 128mb flash
[16:55] <ali1234> and it's not even a fancy one
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[16:55] <clever> my latest router has 4 gigabit LAN ports, i think a 100mbit WAN port, and a 100mbit HPNA port, plus 802.11n
[16:55] <ali1234> the CPU is only 400MHz MIPS
[16:56] <clever> the wifi is useless, it cant connected to the wired
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[16:56] <thescatman__> ali1234: are you talking about the pi 2?
[16:56] <ali1234> thescatman_ no?
[16:56] <Bilby> mine is fancy-ish and has 4x gbit, 802.11n, simultanius dual band, and USB ports for basic NAS
[16:56] <thescatman__> doesn't matter then. I was doing some research on the pi 2's MIPS in whetstone vs desktop CPUs.
[16:57] <ali1234> clever: routers typically have a programmable switch set up to split the WAN port, so it's probably gigabit as well
[16:57] <clever> mine has usb ports but they dont do anything
[16:57] <clever> disabled in the firmware
[16:57] <ali1234> oh yeah mine has three USB ports I think
[16:57] <ali1234> and they do nothing
[16:57] <clever> ah, yeah that would make sense
[16:57] <clever> but the 'modem' box is only 100mbit last i checked
[16:57] <qmr> clever: ah I gotcha. slightly misread your line
[16:58] <ali1234> so basically, don't use a pi as a "super-fast" router because it won't be super-fast
[16:58] <Bilby> right. it would, in fact, be "frustratingly slow"
[16:58] <thescatman__> especially if you're using a USB drive
[16:58] <qmr> Comcast has opened an issue to determien that I do in fact own the router connected to them
[16:59] <qmr> an "investigation"
[16:59] <Bilby> something I think would be interesting would be to pair a Pi and a router via serial
[16:59] <qmr> er, modem rather. they keep adding modem charge to my bill every two mionths
[16:59] <Bilby> so the router handles the basic traffic handling but you can manage it through the Pi
[16:59] <ali1234> Bilby: what for?
[16:59] <Bilby> automated control of port management, that sort of thing
[16:59] <thescatman__> qmr: why is that a problem? :/
[16:59] <Bilby> not sure really, it was just a thought :P
[17:00] <clever> Bilby: http://spritesmods.com/?art=rtl8366sb
[17:00] <ali1234> so you take the out-of-band management and put it back in-band?
[17:00] <clever> Bilby: by connecting to the i2c port, you can add managed features to this dumb switch
[17:00] <clever> the pi has i2c!
[17:00] <qmr> thescatman__: I would asume they would believe me when I say I own it. they should be able to keep track of their own shit. they sent us a box to return their modem. it was returned. idk what their major malfunction is.
[17:00] <Bilby> hah, that's pretty cool
[17:00] <ali1234> now that would actually be good
[17:01] <ali1234> that's exactly how most routers work, a managed switch chip hanging of i2c, and the SoC only has one ethernet port
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[17:02] <thescatman__> I have a question about the pi ambilight copy, of which I can't really find an answer
[17:02] <thescatman__> Basically you can build your own ambilight.
[17:02] <clever> with the right configuration, you can make the SOC port a member of the LAN and WAN vlans
[17:02] <clever> and then the switch chip will automaticaly give the SOC port all broadcast packets on lan, and all stuff for the SoC's ip
[17:02] <clever> and all WAN traffic
[17:02] <clever> then a bit of 802.1q can seperate the 2 streams in the SoC
[17:03] <Bilby> I tried configuring VLAN handling on some APs I installed... got lost as heck and gave up lol
[17:03] <clever> in this case, the vlan is entirely internal
[17:03] <thescatman__> It uses an HDMI input, but I can't find anywhere if it would work with my PC, as I have the TV as my third monitor. http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-your-own-Ambilight-clone-with-the-Raspberry-/
[17:03] <clever> so the SoC can seperate the lan and wan traffic
[17:05] <Bilby> thescatman__ I keep reading that in GreatScott's accent lol
[17:06] <thescatman__> lol
[17:06] <Bilby> When you say PC, are you talking about the Pi or about another computer?
[17:06] <thescatman__> I just realised... apparently that one doesn't let you use another HDMI input. I swear it did
[17:06] <Bilby> Because this will work with the Pi only
[17:07] <Bilby> yeah. You'd need something that can decode HDMI on the fly, which the pi doesn't do
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[17:07] <thescatman__> Bilby: Apparently only the pi. There's a boxed solution that this is based off, which is about £100 plus though so that's a no go
[17:07] <clever> i'm guessing a pi only solution wont take any hdmi inputs
[17:07] <clever> but rather, go on the pi's own screen
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[17:07] <Bilby> right
[17:07] <clever> so you have to play all content on the pi
[17:07] <Bilby> the extra cost is in the HDMI decoder :P
[17:08] <thescatman__> It seems like it. :[
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[17:08] <clever> it will just screenshot itself, and then spam the colors out to the RGB leds
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[17:08] <thescatman__> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=HDMI+decoder&oq=HDMI+decoder&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=HDMI+decoder&tbm=shop
[17:08] <thescatman__> Jeez.
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[17:09] <Bilby> Depending on the source you could possibly use an HDMI to component adapter and then read the component lines. It would be more for general colors but you could probably do it
[17:09] <mistawright> hi guys i need some help. I have gotten a ps3 controller paired through bluetooth and can see the events it sends by using jstest /dev/input/js0. I am however having issues using the controller in a c++ program to control gpio etc
[17:10] <clever> but you would also need an HDMI splitter, to still be able to feed the tv
[17:10] <mistawright> my main issue commands down to defining buttons properly and reading values.
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[17:11] <clever> even if you think it would be digital
[17:11] <clever> mistawright: one thing to keep in mind, that may mess you up, every button on the ps3 controller is analog
[17:11] <thescatman__> Bilby: So my only real option is if I were to get another Pi 2, so I can run plex on it, so I can output my movies etc.
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[17:12] <thescatman__> as decoding hdmi somehow so I can split the output to a LED reel and the TV would cost hundreds
[17:12] <Bilby> mistawright no library available to handle reading the dataa?
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[17:12] <mistawright> clever, you are right in that essence. howerver each button is represented as an event and an analog value as well. so i can check for button presses but also read the value
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[17:13] <clever> ah
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[17:13] <clever> wasnt sure on the low level protocol, i thought it sent a whole report with the level of everything
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[17:14] <mistawright> Bilby, I have used a joystick c++ class i found on github here, https://github.com/drewnoakes/joystick, this makes thing easier but at the same time button defines is what is throwing me off. I havent been able to find any examples of people using this controller with c++ and the pi for gpio etc
[17:14] <Bilby> thescatman__ if you run hdmi -> component you could fairly easily read the values with an A-D converter and generate tones from there... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YPbPr
[17:15] <thescatman__> to me, it probably will be 'cripplingly hard' instead of 'fairly easily' :/
[17:15] <Bilby> mistawright ah. sorry, i haven't messed around with that much.
[17:15] <Bilby> thescatman_ lol i hear y
[17:15] <Bilby> *ou
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[17:17] <thescatman__> I'd have liked to just follow a tutorial as nice as GreatScott's haha
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[17:18] <Bilby> yeah his videos are pretty good. i follow him on youtube
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[17:21] <MY123> clever: The VC4 a
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[17:21] <MY123> *apparently has DSI enabled in the current blob
[17:21] <MustBeLucky> is there an XMBC image that comes preloaded with TV channels, movies, shows, and emulation addons?
[17:22] <mortal> I am interested also
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[17:23] <clever> MY123: nice, but we still need to know the basic api to enable it
[17:23] <clever> i'm guessing dispmanx_open_display(1) or something?
[17:24] <clever> and then you still have the protocol to deal with
[17:24] <MY123> clever: Apparently like DPI
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[17:24] <thescatman__> MustBeLucky: with movies and tv shows? no
[17:24] <thescatman__> i'm not sure about the rest
[17:24] <MY123> clever: Finding a compatible display should be quite hard, but getting it to display garbage would be good
[17:25] <MY123> (PoC)
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[17:25] <clever> MY123: on one min
[17:26] <clever> MY123: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9yqnrx8OBM&list=PL0KZLmPyL6Ak1bArDuLo77yhx95yMsjHL
[17:27] <clever> in this series of videos, he reverse engineers the ipod nano display, which is just DSI
[17:27] <clever> in theory, you only need a bit of config data in the firmware blob to enable ipod nano displays on the pi
[17:27] <MY123> clever: There may be config.txt options
[17:28] <MY123> clever: I privilege currently the dt-blob.bin option
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[17:28] <MY123> (if it loads everything with DT, then jackpot)
[17:29] <clever> device tree would only work if the kernel<->firmware api allows configuring that stuff
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[17:30] <MY123> clever, the kernel>FW API is nonexistent. it *should* be a dsi_primary_display=1
[17:30] <MY123> clever, even for DPI
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[17:30] <MY123> (there is NO kernel mention in the $(code)
[17:31] <clever> the hardware is capable of driving both displays at once
[17:31] <clever> vc_dispmanx_display_open(0) opens the primary screen
[17:31] <clever> in theory, you can just vc_dispmanx_display_open(1) to get DSI, and then use both HDMI and DSI at once
[17:32] <MY123> clever, vc_dispmanx_display_open(1) opens the DPI screen if it's configured so it should
[17:32] <MY123> clever: And there is 3-screen HW support for the RPi
[17:32] <MY123> (3 pixel valves)
[17:32] <clever> yeah, HDMI+dsi+dsi
[17:32] <clever> but there would still need to be some config to setup the resolution of the DSI port
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[17:33] <MY123> clever, 3pvalves -> 2DSI,1DPI,1HDMI,1COMPOSITE
[17:33] <clever> hdmi/composite share a valve
[17:33] <MY123> clever, True, and there is another valve for 2 displays ...
[17:33] <codinho> guys, I'm trying to use OMX.broadcom.image_fx with OMX.broadcom.egl_render , but it cause Insufficient resources (0x80001000) on egl_render input port, in vclog I can see "egl_renderRIL:input/EGL image frame size mismatch", should I add some extra configuration or what?
[17:34] <MY123> codinho, POT?
[17:34] <MY123> (power of two?)
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[17:34] <codinho> MY123, I didn't configure at all something related to frame size
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[17:35] <MY123> codinho: So the hardware picked a random value :-)
[17:35] <codinho> MY123, its just tunneled video_decoder->image_fx->egl_render
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[17:37] <codinho> MY123, video_decode->image_fx part works fine, but after first buffer pushed to egl_render there is an error, and video_decode->egl_render works fine also
[17:37] <thescatman__> Bilby: Aha, http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/make-ambilight-60/
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[17:37] <thescatman__> I think this would work great
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[17:38] <MY123> codinho, I can't talk without a SRBD(Small&Reproductible Bug Demonstration)
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[17:39] <McBride36> IT_Sean, do you like apple fritters
[17:40] <codinho> MY123, I don't think that its a bug, just some not fully configured parts in my code
[17:40] <Bilby> thescatman__ yep, that's the computer version of what the Pi is doing - this project is just using an arduino for the GPIO pins. interesting
[17:40] <thescatman__> Bilby: it looks like I'll research more on that, then buy the stuff for it
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[17:41] <Bilby> cool man
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[17:41] <Bilby> I just picked up an arduino this week. Microcenter has generic Unos for $10 :D
[17:41] <thescatman__> seems like the hardest bit is taking apart a PC PSU and set it up to output 7A@5v
[17:41] <codinho> MY123, should I set frame size somewhere in case of tunelled video_decode->image_fx->egl_render?
[17:41] <Bilby> You can always buy a 5v PSU or use one you already have
[17:41] <thescatman__> wow. the UK equivalent to microcenter has everything about 3* the price of online... I don't get it
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[17:42] <thescatman__> Bilby: afaik, I don't think I can get a 5V psu that will output that many amps
[17:42] <Bilby> microcenter has their own brand of stuff and they're able to sell it for almost as cheap as you can get it online... pretty handy
[17:42] <MY123> thescatman__, so no-one buys, so it gets more and more expensive...
[17:42] <Bilby> Eh, I have a couple larger ones that will do that, but it's probably cheaper to just convert a parts-bin PSU
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[17:44] <thescatman__> MY123: Basically.
[17:45] <thescatman__> MY123: Have an example.
[17:45] <thescatman__> http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?text=hdmi+cable&x=0&y=0
[17:46] <nefarious> maplin is notoriously overpriced
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[17:46] <thescatman__> nefarious: tell me about it. it's a bloody PITA considering I live 5 mins away from one and would be in there all the time if they weren't ridiculously priced
[17:47] <Bilby> they're closer to being a best buy, aren't they? that's crazy pricing for home brand products though
[17:47] <thescatman__> Bilby: that's the closest we really have to microcenter, unless you mention PC world
[17:47] <thescatman__> or radioshack even?
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[17:48] <thescatman__> PC world is a cesspool
[17:48] <Bilby> yeah
[17:48] <IT_Sean> so is RadioHack
[17:48] <Bilby> there aren't a lot of microcenters really, but i'm glad there's one nearby haha
[17:49] <Bilby> based on the size of the store probably closer to best buy or a fry's
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[18:00] <nerdboy> moin
[18:04] <thescatman__> Bilby: Is it possible to low the birghness of RGB LEDs?
[18:04] <thescatman__> brightness*
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[18:07] <stevenjames> my pi2 will be here tuesday. any recommendations on what i should do first or what OS? kali has an arm image but has anyone seen it in action?
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[18:09] <Giddles> hrhr daemon2k was falling two times 1,5m to the floor and still works as nothing happened ;=) good product!
[18:09] <mgottschlag> thescatman__: well, you can use larger resistors, or use PWM to drive them
[18:10] <thescatman__> hmm, ok
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[18:16] <btcNeverSleeps> Can you use cpufreq governors on the Raspberry Pi 2 and have it consume even less?
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[18:37] <SpeedEvil> btcNeverSleeps: To oversimplify - no.
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> In slightly more words - the CPU uses a surprisingly small amount of power, compared to the USB hub, and the GPU and ...
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> changing the amount of power it uses doesn't help much - plus the existing governor is close to optimum powerwise
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[18:39] <qmr> SpeedEvil: You seem a clever fellow. make my IR shit work plz
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[18:39] <IT_Sean> qmr: please mind the language policy
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> qmr: What IR stuff
[18:41] <qmr> SpeedEvil: /lastlog qmr ought to show it. GPIO IR receiver not working
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[18:42] <btcNeverSleeps> SpeedEvil: ok I see, thanks a lot
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[18:49] <qmr> SpeedEvil: any ideas?
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[18:53] <strobelight> is there a good hls player for the PI?
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[19:00] <stevenjames> abnormal what pi do you have?
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[19:02] <abnormal> I have 5 of them... one A, 3 B's 512mb, and 1 B 256mb
[19:02] <abnormal> no a
[19:03] <abnormal> no A+ B+ and B-2
[19:03] <abnormal> all old ones.. no probs with them at all
[19:03] <stevenjames> i just ordered th 1G pi2...i'm kind of anxious to see what it can do
[19:03] <stevenjames> *the
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[19:04] <abnormal> cool
[19:04] <stevenjames> what have you done to yours?
[19:05] <abnormal> remember to use a dab of nail polish to cover the naked chip.
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[19:05] <abnormal> not much,, just as desktop PCs mostly... nothing special
[19:06] <abnormal> I have a BBB, the 1st one that came out.
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[19:06] <abnormal> hate it... eventually I will get the Ver C BBB...
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[19:07] <abnormal> BBB is hard to flash the eeec mem chip.
[19:07] <stevenjames> oh bc of the camera flash? i heard about that....what's bad about the BBB?
[19:07] <abnormal> yes
[19:07] <stevenjames> like using windows 3.1?
[19:07] <stevenjames> hahaha
[19:07] <abnormal> lol
[19:08] <abnormal> no winblows.. that's history
[19:08] <leandro> ow, Pi2 it's running plex media server, i need it! :P
[19:08] <abnormal> bbb has Angstrom OS
[19:08] <stevenjames> BBB is 256mb?
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[19:09] <abnormal> not bad but real pain in the rear... no it has 1gb
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[19:09] <abnormal> mem is 1Gb
[19:09] <abnormal> look it up
[19:09] <abnormal> Beaglebone Black
[19:09] <Peio> there is no pms for the pi leandro
[19:09] <Peio> and even if there was it would most likely suck
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[19:11] <stevenjames> ok i see it...i got an opaque case for it so i shouldn't have to cover the U16
[19:11] <stevenjames> chip
[19:11] <leandro> Peio: not nattively, https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/145717-i-have-pms-running-on-raspberry-pi-2/
[19:11] <abnormal> ok cool.
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[19:12] <abnormal> nice case.
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[19:13] <steve_rox> pms on a rpi ? that cant be good
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[19:15] <Peio> have you tried it leandro ?
[19:15] <Armand> steve_rox: Must be a feminist pi. :P
[19:16] <steve_rox> nah just someone with bad humor maybe
[19:16] <steve_rox> iam*
[19:16] <Armand> I didn't do it...
[19:16] <Armand> lol
[19:16] <steve_rox> :-D
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[19:17] <steve_rox> trying to think of some kinda design for rpi
[19:17] <steve_rox> 7 inch lcd
[19:17] <e^ipi> Armand: unacceptable.
[19:17] <leandro> Peio: don't have a pi2 yet =(
[19:17] <steve_rox> was thinking some project box but i cant see in my head how it should go
[19:17] <e^ipi> don’t say misogynistic things like that
[19:17] <Armand> Denied!
[19:18] <e^ipi> denied what? don’t be a jerk to women. not that hard.
[19:18] <Armand> I'm sorry that you disagree with humour, but don't try and dictate to me. I'll say as I please.
[19:18] <e^ipi> and i’ll say that you’re an asshole for it, and the industry has no place for that sort of “humour”
[19:18] <Armand> If the channel operators have an issue with it, they can talk to me.
[19:19] <Armand> Good.. I don't DENY your right to say that. (Right as in privilege, not being correct).
[19:19] <stevenjames> GO TO OPRAH!! GO TO OPRAH!!!
[19:19] <Armand> Hahahaa
[19:19] <IT_Sean> okay, okay, break it up.
[19:19] <Armand> Jerry! Jerry!
[19:20] * shiftplusone sighs and reads the scrollback.
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[19:21] <IT_Sean> e^ipi: please mind your language. Armand: please mind your humor.
[19:21] <e^ipi> will do, sorry.
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[19:23] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean: thanks.
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[19:24] * IT_Sean nods
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[19:42] <abnormal> lol, shiftplusone
[19:42] <abnormal> we just having fun, so it's cool
[19:44] <shiftplusone> yeah, that logic doesn't work.
[19:44] <abnormal> lol
[19:44] <abnormal> we just being kids on the loose... he heh
[19:45] <abnormal> what" where are the parents? lol
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[19:46] * stevenjames asks why he leaves for 5 minutes and comes back to a trashed house
[19:46] <abnormal> lol
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[19:46] <abnormal> cuz that's human nature
[19:46] <IT_Sean> stevenjames: abnormal did it.
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[19:47] <stevenjames> you guys aren't allowed over anymore
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[19:48] <abnormal> ok you want me to leave for the day?
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[19:48] <stevenjames> mom said you can come back tomorrow if you tell your mom what you did
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[19:49] <stevenjames> or she's gonna do it. and take away our bananas and raspberries
[19:50] <abnormal> ok will do, after I spend the night exhuming her to tell her that
[19:51] <stevenjames> awww that's messed up, we were pretending to be kids you can't time warp back to the present duuude
[19:51] <abnormal> I'm sure she will allow me to continue to use them...
[19:51] <abnormal> lol
[19:51] <abnormal> sorry
[19:51] <shiftplusone> ..... you're all strange.
[19:51] <IT_Sean> like you are not!?
[19:52] <shiftplusone> That's not the point.
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[19:52] <abnormal> yup, that's why I am american.. strange and weird..
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[20:15] <OffensiveUser> so if you make a feminism and pms joke, does ashton kutcher jump out of your closet and yells you've been punked into thinking that's somehow clever?
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[20:18] <IT_Sean> OffensiveUser: drop it.
[20:19] <OffensiveUser> k
[20:20] <Praesmeodymium> I was considering making an atlas scanner or something similar using freelss that requires the pi to drive a stepper motor whats a good hat for that?
[20:21] <Praesmeodymium> or can I just wire up a stepper driver like a stepstick
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[20:34] <MuliLPTP> herro fellas
[20:35] <IT_Sean> Shouldn't that be "herro ferras?"
[20:35] <abnormal> what lang is that?
[20:36] <IT_Sean> engrish.
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[20:39] <abnormal> engrish... hmmmm
[20:39] <abnormal> me it's just amereeka
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[20:45] <cedricverst> hey, i was wondering why the arch linux installation isn't working on the raspberry pi 2
[20:45] <cedricverst> image*
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[20:48] <cyanide> maybe its with the old kernel?
[20:48] <shiftplusone> because it hasn't been updated in a very very long time.
[20:48] <shiftplusone> The correct installation instructions are here http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
[20:49] <cedricverst> i'm using 2014-6
[20:49] <cedricverst> i'm looking for an image, don't want to create the partition tables myself
[20:49] <shiftplusone> right and when was the pi 2 released?
[20:49] <cedricverst> :)
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> cedricverst: te Pi 2 requires images specifically designed for the Pi 2.
[20:50] <cedricverst> ok thanks
[20:50] <cedricverst> i was just wondering, as I've been reading that it would be possible
[20:51] <IT_Sean> The Pi 2 requires images designed for the Pi 2. The older Pis require images designed for the older Pis. They are not cross-compatable.
[20:51] <shiftplusone> ahm... a little wrong there, sean.
[20:51] <Giddles> hmhm
[20:52] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
[20:52] <shiftplusone> the current raspbian image, for example, runs fine on either pi.
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[20:52] <IT_Sean> well, pewp.
[20:52] <cyanide> thats because it has both kernel images
[20:52] <IT_Sean> aa ^!
[20:52] <cyanide> one for v6 and one for v7
[20:52] <IT_Sean> thanks cyanide
[20:52] <shiftplusone> yea, the pi will load either kernel.img or kernel7.img, depending on the pi you have.
[20:52] <cedricverst> shiftplusone: idd i noticed that
[20:53] <cedricverst> some minutes ago
[20:53] <IT_Sean> nice.
[20:53] <cyanide> np
[20:53] <cedricverst> that's why i was confused, that explains a lot shiftplusone
[20:54] <eggy> thought images can work on both pi versions..
[20:55] <cedricverst> the image i've been using for my older pi's can be found here http://mirror.lug.udel.edu/pub/archlinuxarm/os/rpi/
[20:56] <eggy> archlinux? :o
[20:56] <cedricverst> yeah sure it's nice
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[21:26] <teclo-> Hi I'm using a cable from the 3.5 audio jack to the RCA connectors on my (old) television, and the volume of the sound is very very low. I know "The Raspberry Pi's sound isn't amplified" but I'm connecting into the audio RCA connector, so the television does the amplification
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[21:29] <Ryccardo> and it's turned all the way up in alsamixer, right?
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[21:31] <solar_sea> does overclocking the 2 still lead to sd card corruption ?
[21:31] <IT_Sean> Try it and see.
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[21:32] <Ryccardo> can't speak about the 2, but it's fine on my original one
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[21:32] <IT_Sean> indeed... o-c'ing only corrupted SD cards in SOME cases, solar_sea
[21:33] <solar_sea> IT_Sean: thanks, this sounds good
[21:35] <eggy> corrupted mine, when I tried the turbo speed..
[21:36] <eggy> haven't bothered sense
[21:36] <Ryccardo> was it a half serious brand, paired with an excellent power brick and cable?
[21:37] <solar_sea> the way I remember it, it happened on certain values for core freq. i'm not worried about the card though, I just want to avoid the bother of swapping cables to boot my pc again :D
[21:37] <eggy> I don't remember the brand of the sd card i used at the time, this was a couple years ago when the pi first came out
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[21:54] <BNoiZe> Hey! I've been searching for some time now, but I'm unable to find a touchscreen working with the Pi2. Anyone got one working with it?
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[21:59] <ShadowJK> I'd imagine the dominant mechanism is memory or cpu failing at higher freqs, and that usually manifests itself first as filesystem corruption, before things start crashing or becoming unstable?
[22:01] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK: in practice the kernel just locks up and no permanent damage is done.
[22:02] <ShadowJK> In my experience, once you back down below the "locks up", you're left with fs corrupt
[22:02] <ShadowJK> you need to go below that freq too
[22:02] <ShadowJK> or run read-only
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[22:22] <willmore> Anyone know a place I can get pi2 for $40 or less with shipping? That's sort of my pain point. :)
[22:23] <IT_Sean> not with shipping.
[22:23] <willmore> I keep watching newegg, but their search engine is horrible. Search for "raspberry pi 2" and you get a Hummingboard as the third result. Really, netegg/
[22:23] <Ryccardo> check for "local" sellers -- as it allegedly costs same as the original, and I bought mine for the official price at a market fair (although it had been out for 2 years by then...)
[22:24] <willmore> Ryccardo, I keep waiting for Fry's to stock them.
[22:24] <willmore> IT_Sean, thanks.
[22:24] <shiftplusone> willmore: location?
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[22:24] <willmore> Indiana. Sorry, meant to say that.
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[22:24] <shiftplusone> Do you have microcenters?
[22:24] <willmore> It's a state in the central region of USA. It's where that big north/south lake points down at.
[22:24] <willmore> shiftplusone, sadly, I left those behind on the east coast. :(
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[22:26] <willmore> Hmm, looks like there's one in Chicago and one in Ohio.
[22:26] <shiftplusone> otherwise, pony up the $10 shipping from mcm.
[22:26] <IT_Sean> why would anyone move TO indiana?
[22:27] <willmore> IT_Sean, *from* New Jersey. :)
[22:27] <ShorTie> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16530?green=59E8371E-010D-5C46-A9D3-4EAC97CB4424
[22:27] <IT_Sean> willmore: Still.
[22:27] <willmore> *new jersey*
[22:27] <IT_Sean> I move out of Jersey, but, at least i was smart enough to move somewhere nice!
[22:27] * ShorTie thinkz, any thing is better then NJ
[22:27] <willmore> ^^^^
[22:27] <ShorTie> try there willmore
[22:29] <shiftplusone> looks like fedex collect will cost $5, so you can get a pi for $40 from mcm if you don't mind collecting it yourself
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[22:29] <willmore> ShorTie, Yeah, $10 shipping puts it over the $40 point. :( Maybe if I bought two.... Or is they had the Odroid-C1 as well...
[22:30] <shiftplusone> willmore: you watch your mouth, sir =P
[22:30] <willmore> shiftplusone, I'm not familiar with that service. Will they drop it at FedEx stores? If so, there's one near me that I go by often. If it's their local shipping center, then I have no flipping idea where that is.
[22:30] <shiftplusone> no idea, I'm not American.
[22:30] <willmore> shiftplusone, *I want all the boards*
[22:31] <willmore> My love isn't limited to just one board. ;)
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[22:32] <shiftplusone> nothing wrong with that
[22:32] <willmore> ShorTie, check that web page. Their whole site is broken for me, now. WTH?
[22:33] <willmore> I think their whole web server just went down.
[22:33] <willmore> "Server Error in '/' Application."
[22:33] <willmore> Yeah, that's not good.
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[22:36] <willmore> And their server is back up. No, they don't seem to stock odroid stuff. :(
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[22:49] <sudormrf> any of you guys have any knowledge about when on earth allied electronics is going to get their shipment of Rpi 2's?
[22:50] <sudormrf> I refuse to submit contact info just to get lead time
[22:50] <sudormrf> already bought mine from them
[22:50] <sudormrf> have no updates
[22:50] <IT_Sean> Noone here would know that. I would recommend contacting them
[22:50] <sudormrf> was worth a try
[22:51] <sudormrf> ;D
[22:51] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[22:52] <acidjazz> sudormrf: call them
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[22:52] <acidjazz> INDEED sasy IT_Sean
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[22:53] <TheLostAdmin> Varg is the first person who looks like what I imagined from the name in the forums/here.
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[22:58] <IT_Sean> im off
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[23:03] <sudormrf> who has them in stock stateside that doesn't charge ridiculous shipping costs? :)
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[23:04] <sudormrf> adafruit jacks the price up. pass. last I checked e14 was charging a minimum of $9.99 for shipping, which is ludicrous.
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[23:05] <sudormrf> allied just told me 3/27
[23:05] <sudormrf> I ordered on 2/4
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[23:05] <sudormrf> would be nice to get one sooner
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[23:37] <willmore> Okay, that's a good lesson, sudormrf. Don't order unless they're in stock.
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[23:43] <poolson> as a side note ... adafruit has a 10% off coupon
[23:44] <poolson> wow why do you guys have those far off ship dates ?
[23:44] <poolson> i ordered one a couple weeks ago and got it a few days later
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[23:47] <cooervo_> :)
[23:47] <cooervo_> waiting for RPi2 to arrive
[23:48] <poolson> they seem ok
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[23:55] <acidjazz> faster
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