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IRC Log for 2015-03-01

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[0:00] <significance> Gotcha - will give it a try.
[0:01] <shiftplusone> Also, what's the voltage across F3?
[0:02] <significance> Same thing for pinching - checking F3
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[0:04] <significance> F3 gives 0V - thanks! Should I just short it and keep a closer eye on my GPIO?
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[0:05] <shiftplusone> 0V is what you want, so that's good.
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[0:05] <shiftplusone> Sure does sound like your hypothesis about the pi being dead is correct.
[0:06] <significance> shiftplusone: Oh, that's right. Shoot, I was thinking like current. Where are F1 and F2?
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[0:06] <shiftplusone> I think f1 and f2 used to be the usb-side fuses, which aren't a thing anymore.
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[0:07] <significance> Aaugh - so off to the Pi Store for me, I guess ;). Thanks a million shiftplusone!
[0:07] <significance> Is F3 just between power and CPU, not GPIO and CPU?
[0:07] <Ryccardo> see it as an excuse to upgrade :p
[0:07] <shiftplusone> but the fact that the green LED doesn't flash seems to indicate that it's not reading the sd card... though I think on the old models the led should be very dimly lit (because it's switching on and off very fast)... so...odd.
[0:07] <Ryccardo> between power and 3.3/1.8 regulators
[0:08] <shiftplusone> f3 is straight on the 5v input.
[0:08] <significance> Haha - excuse to upgrade, I like it :)
[0:09] <Ryccardo> microusb + overvoltage zener → F3 → +5 GPIO + 3.3 regulator + 1.8 regulator
[0:09] <significance> shiftplusone - weird... it's full solid (same as PWR) - maybe the short killed card-reading hardware?
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[0:09] <significance> So the GPIO is one the inside of F3 - that explains why no one mentions a fuse in GPIO issue forums... :)
[0:10] <ali1234> calling the 5V pin a GPIO is a misnomer
[0:10] <Ryccardo> yep, that's why power applied through the USB "outputs" or GPIO has current limiting left to the source
[0:10] <danielmahon> how would I go about wiring up a Raspi's gpio to receive an outside voltage source? Or should i use a transistor or relay? For example to hack an output pin of another low voltage device
[0:10] <ali1234> it's just the 5V rail
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[0:11] <shiftplusone> significance: I think if something's dead, it's the SoC itself.
[0:11] <significance> That was my fear - oh well, brand new B+ for me :)
[0:11] <shiftplusone> b+?
[0:11] <Ryccardo> ali1234: yup, but it's just next to the properly said GPIO pins (and in fact in one of the worst possible places)
[0:11] <shiftplusone> get a pi 2!
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[0:35] <armin> live now: http://radio.tripsit.me:8000/
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[0:40] <shiftplusone> ... My ears don't appreciate whatever that is >=/
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[0:41] <shiftplusone> I think if someone unloaded a truckfull of slinkies on top of an escalator, that's the noise they would make.
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[0:50] <Zoohouse> I think the speakers on my MacBook have finally busted.. The bass rattles :(
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[0:55] <IT_Sean> Did you drop the bass?
[0:58] <Ryccardo> Zoohouse: my woofer broke a few days ago too
[1:00] <abnormal> use cloth and rubber cement to fix it
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[1:06] <shiftplusone> so... can we ban drum'n'bass?
[1:12] <IT_Sean> Works for me.
[1:12] <Sonny_Jim> No one listens to DnB anyone
[1:12] <Sonny_Jim> It's all this Wub Wub dubstep nonsense
[1:12] <IT_Sean> Lets ban that too
[1:13] <shiftplusone> You'd think so, but at least when I clicked the link, armin was playing DnB.
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[1:14] <shiftplusone> But even when DnB was a thing, it seemed to mostly be a UK thing.
[1:14] <armin> 00:41 • [ shiftplusone] I think if someone unloaded a truckfull of slinkies on top of an escalator, that's the noise they would make.
[1:14] <armin> hehe
[1:14] <shiftplusone> =P
[1:15] <Sonny_Jim> Kinda, was a few places in Europe and down under that got it
[1:15] <Sonny_Jim> America, hell no
[1:15] <IT_Sean> Somebody find me an escakator! I'm off to hire a van and buy a van-load of slinkies!
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[1:16] <shiftplusone> slinkies and spoons... there was also the sound you'd expect if you opened the cutlery drawer and started shuffling all the spoons around.
[1:18] <shiftplusone> I don't recall DnB being a thing in Australia. I think we liked techno back then.
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[1:19] <IT_Sean> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASxPwiZOlPE
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[1:20] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean: needs about 100 more.
[1:20] <IT_Sean> YES!
[1:20] <shiftplusone> heh.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KgEyKgJpnY
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[1:21] <IT_Sean> In a related theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5P-c7rc4bA&spfreload=10
[1:22] <shiftplusone> is... is that my uni...
[1:22] <IT_Sean> Dunno... issit?
[1:22] <shiftplusone> I have a feeling that's RMIT, but I don't see the location in the description =(
[1:23] <shiftplusone> I hear Australia accents....
[1:24] <shiftplusone> that is... hypnotic.
[1:24] <IT_Sean> I've watched it three times now. :D
[1:25] <shiftplusone> http://coub.com/tags/rmit
[1:25] <shiftplusone> aha... it IS my old uni =D
[1:25] <IT_Sean> Niiiice.
[1:26] <shiftplusone> I see hipsters... that settles it completely then.
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[1:36] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[1:36] <Sonny_Jim> definitely Melbourne, place is full of hipsters
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[1:36] <Sonny_Jim> I've seen pubs that serve drinks in jam jars because it's 'cool'
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[1:38] <shiftplusone> Yup... I grew up thinking the world has gone mad and that everyone has started stealing their sister's jeans. Turned out it was just Melbourne that was full of hipsters.
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[1:43] <IT_Sean> It's wasn't just Melbourne... My cousin used to do that... 'cept he didn't have a sister then, so, he just bought girls jeans.
[1:43] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[1:44] <shiftplusone> heh, fair enough.
[1:45] <shiftplusone> I just remember when I went to sydney and had a "hang on... people are wearing normal people clothes here! D=" moment.
[1:45] <IT_Sean> lol
[1:45] <IT_Sean> He was always a bit odd.
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[2:08] <triogenes> am i going to really find much difference between raspbian, and raspbmc ?
[2:09] <shiftplusone> yes
[2:10] <triogenes> yeah, i think i'm gonna do raspbian.. i don't want to be limited in the future to just running xbmc
[2:10] <shiftplusone> you're not limited to just xbmc with raspbmc
[2:10] <shiftplusone> you still have a full OS behind it which you can use
[2:13] <IT_Sean> I'm pretty sure this pastage stamp sized USB hub is gonna end up in a pi-related build. Not sure what yet, but, it's too perfect to not use for something.
[2:13] <IT_Sean> http://i.imgur.com/FOGH0gS.jpg
[2:13] <IT_Sean> Now... where the heck is my soldering iron!
[2:13] <IT_Sean> *postage
[2:14] <shiftplusone> What happened to that case build you were working on?
[2:14] <IT_Sean> A very clumsy friend of mine stepped on it. Cracked the lid clean in half.
[2:14] <IT_Sean> I rather gave up after that and got a PiBow
[2:14] <shiftplusone> I hope you buried him/her where nobody will find.
[2:15] <armin> http://deep.dubtech.no/drugcombinations2.png
[2:15] <armin> fly safe.
[2:15] <IT_Sean> Oh, she paid for it... with baked goods!
[2:15] <shiftplusone> wrong channel, mate.
[2:15] <IT_Sean> and, ah... *ahem*
[2:15] <IT_Sean> ;D
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[2:17] <shiftplusone> Though to be fair, if the case broke that easily, it was rubbish to begin with >.>
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[2:17] <IT_Sean> It wasn't meant to hold the weight of a human being
[2:17] <IT_Sean> but, yeah...
[2:18] <shiftplusone> pretty sure the pibow could handle it
[2:18] <IT_Sean> you think?
[2:18] * IT_Sean checks
[2:19] * shiftplusone checks as well
[2:19] <IT_Sean> YOu are correct
[2:19] <shiftplusone> yup... passes here as well
[2:19] <IT_Sean> It made some creeking noises, but, survived undamaged
[2:19] <shiftplusone> ...what are we doing >_<
[2:19] <IT_Sean> Standing on it!
[2:20] <shiftplusone> is... is that normal?
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[2:20] <IT_Sean> THis is #raspberrypi. We don't shoot for normal.
[2:20] <shiftplusone> ah
[2:21] <IT_Sean> I can't fond my soldering iron! I hope I haven't pakced it up yet...
[2:21] <IT_Sean> *find
[2:21] <IT_Sean> :( I think it's packed up already.
[2:22] <shiftplusone> haven't moved yet?
[2:22] <IT_Sean> April 1st is my closing date.
[2:22] <shiftplusone> ah right
[2:22] <IT_Sean> And the lease on my aprtment is up on the 18th.
[2:23] <IT_Sean> I am living like a gippo, though. Apartment is full of boxes. Closets are empty.
[2:24] <shiftplusone> Sounds like planning ahead way too early
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[2:24] <IT_Sean> http://i.imgur.com/mPHJ40ll.jpg
[2:25] <IT_Sean> Nah... everything that's packed is stuff I won't need for the next few weeks.
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[2:34] <eggy> raspi :)
[2:34] <eggy> Anybody have unbound experince with an rpi setup in here?
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[2:36] <advx_> Hello Good Morning all...
[2:36] <advx_> Hi help needed, able to connect to my bluetooth adapter, also pair my bluetooth headphones, how can I send audio to bluetooth speakers form raspberry Pi 2...
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[3:03] <zylinx> does a current limit on a GPIO apply for drawing current when the pin is high AND low ? ie. 3v3 -> draw lots of current -> GPIO pin LOW. i suspect this is an obvious yes but cant find an answer
[3:03] <ShadowJK> yes
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[3:04] <zylinx> ty
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[3:43] <geusebio> So, I have a pair of B2s I'm trying to get onto my wifi. I have set it up correctly, and they DO connect to the wifi.. But only if I remove and replug the wifi adaptors.. They dont come up on boot. I have "auto wlan0" in my /etc/network/interfaces. Wat.
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[3:47] <geusebio> Might have cured it by ignoring all the "advice" online and making this my interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/dgnWhaVX
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[3:49] <diegoaguilar> Hello, I'm a REAL newbie on raspberry pi electronics
[3:49] <diegoaguilar> I want to test GPIO as inputs
[3:50] <diegoaguilar> I want to do anything when getting a positive or HIGH value at a pin
[3:50] <diegoaguilar> I thought I could use a push button for it
[3:50] <diegoaguilar> however I wonder if I should use something like an Arduino to send a digital value
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[3:50] <diegoaguilar> AND, whats more, if I should configure the Arduino to work on 3.3 V
[3:53] <TheLostAdmin> If you are just testing to sort out the software on the Pi, a pushbutton or even just a wire with the appropriate voltage would be enough. Beyond that it really depends on your end goal.
[3:54] <diegoaguilar> so that's like
[3:54] <diegoaguilar> whenever I make a wire with 3.3 on a gpio set as input
[3:54] <diegoaguilar> I should be receiving it
[3:54] <diegoaguilar> ?
[3:55] <diegoaguilar> My end goal is way beyond that
[3:56] <TheLostAdmin> wire with +3.3v cleanly attached to the pin is enough to get your software sorted. If it's not cleanly attached you may end up with jitter (lots of very fast on-off-on switching). Jitter could be a problem with a switch or even an arduino if the connection isn't clean.
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[3:56] <diegoaguilar> What if I do this: I get the always on 3.3v pin and ground pin to a breadboard
[3:57] <diegoaguilar> and return the voltage with another wire to any gpio pin
[3:57] <diegoaguilar> ?
[3:57] <TheLostAdmin> that should work just fine.
[3:57] <TheLostAdmin> There are even a few breakout kits made by 3rd parties that provide breadboard attachments to the Pi
[3:58] <diegoaguilar> well I dont think I can get one right now .. and its kinda difficult get them fast here
[3:58] <TheLostAdmin> fair enough.
[3:58] <diegoaguilar> I was talking about my goal.... What I gotta do is to send an analog current to somewhere, use adc and turn it into digital, store it at raspberry
[3:59] <diegoaguilar> and then output it and turn it into analog again
[3:59] <TheLostAdmin> okay. that doesn't sound to hard on the electronics side.
[3:59] <diegoaguilar> I know about raspberry software and Im not afraid on programming ... But I'm kinda lost when its about electronics :/
[3:59] <diegoaguilar> on the software side, its kinda stupid
[4:00] <diegoaguilar> because I guess memory is damn slow against signals
[4:00] <TheLostAdmin> I haven't messed around with the raspberry Pi programming for the GPIO pins but I imagine it can't be that difficult (as far as low level programming goes).
[4:00] <diegoaguilar> but I think that's what teacher wants us to understand ,,,
[4:01] <TheLostAdmin> The RPi (even running at 700Mhz) should be able to record and play back an analog signal faster than your eyes could see or your ears could hear the differences.
[4:01] <TheLostAdmin> People used to do that sort of thing on 1Mhz cpus.
[4:02] <diegoaguilar> I know
[4:02] <diegoaguilar> I actually made an interesting task, simple turning on and off a led with gpio
[4:02] <diegoaguilar> coded it in python, java bash and c
[4:02] <TheLostAdmin> that is a very good start.
[4:02] <diegoaguilar> got an oscilloscope
[4:02] <diegoaguilar> and recorded the frequency for each
[4:03] <diegoaguilar> java is worst case
[4:03] * ShadowJK wonders if rpi 2 is slower or faster at gpio
[4:03] <TheLostAdmin> I wanted to be surprised that Java was worse than bash but I'm not.
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[4:03] <TheLostAdmin> The 2 should be faster. It defaults to 900Mhz
[4:04] <diegoaguilar> yeah, Java case was last measured
[4:04] <diegoaguilar> and we really thought bash was the definitive loser
[4:04] <diegoaguilar> but nah,
[4:04] <Mr_005> Hey guys, just got the pi 2. Is there any way to set it up over like ssh without having to plug a keyboard and mouse in?
[4:04] <diegoaguilar> I really wanna test node code
[4:04] <ShadowJK> Well I mean the general trend is, that the faster CPU, the slower GPIO.
[4:04] <diegoaguilar> if they implement it with C ... can be quite fast
[4:05] <diegoaguilar> Mr_005, install debian
[4:05] <diegoaguilar> raspbian
[4:05] <Mr_005> yeah i just downloaded it
[4:05] <diegoaguilar> get built-in ssh
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[4:05] <diegoaguilar> it gets*
[4:05] <Mr_005> okay cool, so i can just load with win32 imager and then plug into ethernet and go?
[4:06] <TheLostAdmin> I would have thought the GPIO was tied to the bus speed of whatever bus it's attached to. I admit I haven't dug very deep, but I thought the GPIO block had a dedicated bus.
[4:06] <ShadowJK> Like, a 16MHz AVR can do 8MHz gpio, a 233 MHz iMX can do 20 MHz gpio, and quadcore 1.5GHz A7 whatever struggles with 1MHz
[4:07] <diegoaguilar> that's right Mr_005
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[4:07] <ShadowJK> That's what I mean, the general trend is that gpio gets pushed further and further away from cpu cores and become slower :P
[4:08] <ShadowJK> Intel's Galileo, for example, has gpio on a 200kHz bus or there abouts...
[4:10] <TheLostAdmin> I haven't looked at the architecture of the Pi that close but I thought the GPIO was pretty close to the CPU. If you got rid of the overhead of Linux, I would expect better performance but I do see your point ShadowJK and truth is, I don't know how fast (or busy) the bus is.
[4:10] <Mr_005> Do you think it's safe to run the pi off a usb port on a router? I know it wouldn't be ideal.
[4:11] <TheLostAdmin> Mr_005, the router USB port probably can't put out enough Amps to run a Pi reliably. You need something like a fast charger for a cell phone.
[4:11] <Mr_005> hmm, i
[4:12] <Mr_005> i'll have to set up my old router as a switch then and run some more cables to this room.
[4:12] <TheLostAdmin> Or, to put it more technically... A standard USB port is supposed to provide up to 0.5A of power at 5V. The RPi may need to draw up to about 2A of power at 5v when under maximum load.
[4:12] <ShadowJK> I'd imagine if it's designed to power all sorts of external harddrives, it would work with just Pi and nothing else
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[4:13] <ShadowJK> I still haven't found a USB cable capable of carrying 2A without dropping below 4.5V
[4:14] <Mr_005> Yeah I understand. I usually use my anker USB power bank, it gives a solid 2A
[4:15] <ShadowJK> Although admittedly I haven't tried any of the really short cables..
[4:15] <Mr_005> short cables work WAY better. I havent actually put it on a meter but they charge my phone much faster.
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[4:16] <ShadowJK> Yep, like I said, it's hard to find a decent usb cable :P
[4:17] <diegoaguilar> ShadowJK, TheLostAdmin so ever did GPIO programming? I was wondering what should be best approach to detect an input change?
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[4:17] <diegoaguilar> because a while true seems to be damn inefficient
[4:17] <ShadowJK> Not on rpi, sorry :/
[4:18] <TheLostAdmin> diegoaguilar I've only done GPIO stuff on 6502's in assembly.
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[4:19] <TheLostAdmin> I would *hope* that there would be some low level interface routines for edge triggers and such. You might need to write a device driver (or kernel extension) to use them but I would hope they were there.
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[4:30] <diegoaguilar> I thought on writing C code
[4:30] <diegoaguilar> WiringPi library got support for threads
[4:31] <diegoaguilar> so maybe that can be a good start
[4:32] <TheLostAdmin> If you know about that, you are ahead of me. I haven't (yet) started messing with the GPIO on the Pi. I'm thinking of adding an LCD with GPIO but I haven't started yet.
[4:33] <advx_> Hi ppl got the bluetooth headset to work ...great
[4:34] <advx_> following the article :- http://www.rottenrei.be/posts/2013-07-25-bose-soundlink-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[4:47] <advx_> bye 4 now ppl have a great day...
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[4:54] <diegoaguilar> well, Im a noob on electronics :/
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[4:56] <TheLostAdmin> I'm not quite noob but I'm no expert either.
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[5:00] <u-ou> is this enough to power the rpi 2? http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply
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[5:58] <Xark> u-ou: Yep
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[7:57] <pointious> took me quite a bit of time, but finally figured out why the 1wire bus wasnt working
[7:57] <pointious> have to add 'dtoverlay=w1-gpio' to /boot/config.txt
[7:58] <pointious> why the change?????
[7:58] <pointious> can't tell you how much time i wasted on that
[7:59] <pointious> (even asked in here last nite to no avail)!
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[8:01] <pointious> regardless, idk why there would be a firmware upgrade issued that breaks something as rudimentary as w1
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[8:08] <pointious> if anyone asks in the future why w1 device is no longer showing up, adding 'dtoverlay=w1-gpio' to /boot/config.txt "fixes" it
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[8:18] <Ryzari> u-ou: yes it is
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[10:09] <PigFlu> if i put in the SD card in a windows machine, will i see the boot partition?
[10:09] <PigFlu> i need to edit it
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[10:14] <mitchtay> If the SD card has been prepared properly then it should show inside Windows because it's a FAT32 formatted partition.
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[12:03] <turtlehat> is it other peoples experience that games installed from the pi store doesnt work?
[12:04] <turtlehat> (chocolate doom & openttd in particular)
[12:05] <Ryccardo> to be honest it's something I uninstall before even launching the GUI
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[12:06] <turtlehat> yea i have dont have any hopes for it either
[12:06] <turtlehat> but i would still like to play doom ^
[12:06] <turtlehat> ^_^
[12:07] <ShorTie> have you double checked all the dependencies ??
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[12:07] <ShorTie> it's not a 'download - play' thing from the sounds of it
[12:08] <turtlehat> yea then i dont see the point of the pi store
[12:08] <turtlehat> but im gonna try to install it manually
[12:08] <ShorTie> it's free
[12:09] <ShorTie> not like it cost you an arm-n-leg
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[12:10] <turtlehat> if its free, but saves me no trouble, its still worthless at best :)
[12:10] <turtlehat> in fact, i would argue that if i hadnt spent time on the pi store, maybe i would have doom up and running now
[12:10] <turtlehat> so they should pay me :p
[12:11] <ShorTie> trouble is you probily didn't follow the install direction to the 'T'
[12:12] <ShorTie> so it's not fair to bash the pistore
[12:12] <ShorTie> In My Humble Opinion
[12:12] <turtlehat> i figure the point of the pi store is that its a one-click install place
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[12:12] <turtlehat> otherwise ill go with some apt-get'ting
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[12:14] <ShorTie> 'sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 l libsdl-net1.2 timidity.', it says right there you gotta go apt-get`n
[12:14] <ShorTie> plus you need a wad file and stuff
[12:14] <turtlehat> it comes with a shareware wad file it also says
[12:15] <ShorTie> which is like illegal to pass out because they are copywrited
[12:15] <turtlehat> shareware?
[12:15] <ShorTie> ok, shareware
[12:15] <turtlehat> maybe i did actually read and follow the instructions
[12:15] <ShorTie> but 'The binary requires also a data file from Doom (1 , 2 or ultimate) called a WAD file.'
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[12:17] <turtlehat> "Comes with Shareware WAD data set of Doom 1"
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[13:59] <RoBo_V> guys suggest cheap usb wifi dongle workks best with RPi B+
[14:03] <ShorTie> any with linux drivers should work
[14:04] <ShorTie> i normally just hit up ebay and check to make sure it has linux drivers
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[14:06] <SpeedEvil> If you're lazy, just ebay raspberry wifi
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[14:12] <RoBo_V> there is one popular says "No driver needed"
[14:14] <aalaap> just search for RTL8188CUS or RTL8188C and sort by price
[14:14] <Ryzari> i picked up a cheap 1T1R with realtek RTL8188CUS chipset a while back.. plugged it into my pi and worked right away
[14:15] <aalaap> don't get anything else even if its cheaper.. you'll save yourself several days and headaches
[14:15] <ShorTie> "No driver needed" kinda imposible
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[14:15] <ShorTie> might be built in and don't need to do much
[14:16] <aalaap> ebay has these for $3 - free shipping
[14:16] <aalaap> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121490281498
[14:17] <ShorTie> don't forget, cheap nano wifi adapters normally don't have much range, imho
[14:19] <RoBo_V> aalaap: thanks as this same Ryzari using but that guys not ship to india
[14:19] <RoBo_V> i find other seller
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[14:22] <Ryzari> i also have a cheap rosewill dual band from newegg that was plug n play under openelec and retropie .. doesn't pick up 5ghz though .. prolly would if i got proper driver
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[14:23] <Ryzari> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166046
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[14:28] <aalaap> @RoBo_V ah india... toh aisa bolneka na.. well check this one www.ebay.in/itm/281594903610
[14:30] <aalaap> that "No driver needed" thing is actually possible if you get an RTL8188CUS
[14:30] <aalaap> technically, the drivers and support is already in the OS (well Rasbian at least), but.. you get the idea
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[14:30] <PigFlu> can i edit the boot partition from within raspbian, or is that partition not visible?
[14:30] * ShorTie shakes his head, nop nop nop
[14:30] <PigFlu> do i have to mount the sd card on my computer?
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[14:31] <ShorTie> if it is a windows pc it should mount and be editable
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[14:32] <ShorTie> with in raspbian nano should work, or any other editor
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[14:43] <waagbo> Hi! Have problems with DosBOX on RPi2. The screen goes black and nothing happens
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[14:46] <waagbo> Looks like the Python games gives me the same issue.
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[15:04] <syeekick> raspbian or snappy ubuntu core ?
[15:06] <PigFlu> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[15:06] <PigFlu> why arent there any 4G USB modems listed here?
[15:09] <syeekick> is it correct in saying any hardware debian supports raspbian will support?
[15:09] <waagbo> syeekick: my problems appear in raspbian
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[15:11] <DoctorD90> guys, ( i have yet asked, but i have forgotten xD) im usin another distro instead of raspbian, and i'd need to use an external 2,5hdd not external alimented= i have to incrase ampere output from usb....what is the line that i have to add in config.txt in boot partition?
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[15:12] <ozzzy> max_usb_current=1
[15:12] <DoctorD90> 1? it means 1 ampere?
[15:13] <shiftplusone> 1 just means 'true' here.
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[15:13] <shiftplusone> I think the actual limit is 1.2A
[15:13] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org:8080/rpi-lots.html
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[15:14] <DoctorD90> ah ok, so it just incease limit....ah ok :)
[15:15] <shiftplusone> I prefer to use HDDs with external power supplies
[15:15] <DoctorD90> eh...me too, but i havent :P
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[15:16] <shiftplusone> My 'work' pi. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2015-03-01%2014.14.25.jpg
[15:18] <ppq> are you working with an atmega8 uc?
[15:18] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, too many stuff xD lol
[15:18] <shiftplusone> ppq, yup (astropi board)
[15:19] <ppq> those registers looked familiar :)
[15:19] <shiftplusone> Keep losing track of what I'm using all the registers for, so I printed that page out =P
[15:19] <DoctorD90> ozzzy, in my boot partition it is there only cmdline.txt ...can i put in it?
[15:19] <DoctorD90> in cmdline.txt i have this line: dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 elevator=deadline root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[15:20] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, you can also use the mechanism NOOBS used to reboot into different partitions.
[15:20] <RoBo_V> Does anyone have single cell battery powered RPi here ..?
[15:20] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, ??? i havent noobs 0o ..... :P
[15:20] <shiftplusone> On my setup, I have one partition running off the USB HDD, another an initrd buildroot partition and a jessie debian on the sd card.
[15:21] <DoctorD90> actually im from wintrash, and im reading the sd boot partition :P
[15:21] <shiftplusone> Then I can reboot into each of them by setting /sys/module/bcm2709/parameters/reboot_part to the partition I want to reboot into
[15:22] <DoctorD90> lol...no, noob seems that doesnt recognize my other distro so i have to use different sd to be sure of all :P
[15:22] <DoctorD90> uh...a very nice solution 0o ....
[15:22] <shiftplusone> I don't mean use actual NOOBS... just use the mechanism it used. (setting /sys/module/bcm2709/parameters/reboot_part)
[15:22] <ppq> shiftplusone, it's a nice platform, very straightforward. there's a lot of redundant avr asm instructions though
[15:23] <shiftplusone> ppq, Yeah, I'm probably only using a handful of the instructions to write highly optimized code. I could probably use a few more to optimize it further, but I don't know how =/
[15:23] <DoctorD90> ah! ok....no, but i cant :P i have purchase 3 sd and i stay free of format what i want, when i want....and btw leave an hdd linked to rpi all the time now is a little har for me :P im still waiting for case xD
[15:24] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, use 1 sd card with multiple /boot partitions. Then you can have as many rootfs systems as you want.
[15:25] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, xD space is yet taken xD each one is 16gb XD and they are half full xD
[15:25] <DoctorD90> no...wait...2 x 16gb, 1x8gb xD
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[15:26] <DoctorD90> 1 for dev (8gb), 1 as "home download station" (16gb), and another 1 to replace my pc out of home (i havent it xD) using rpi connected to tablet tougth usb thetering and vnc :D
[15:27] <DoctorD90> my unique issue is the external usb hdd not outsourced :P
[15:27] <DoctorD90> on that other distro :D that hasnt config.txt
[15:27] <DoctorD90> btw, so i can add max_usb_current=1 to dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 elevator=deadline root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait in cmdline.txt?
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[15:30] <shiftplusone> max_usb_current=1 goes to config.txt, not cmdline
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[15:32] <DoctorD90> and if it doesnt exist, can i create it withou issue?
[15:32] <DoctorD90> or edit nothing?
[15:32] <shiftplusone> there should be a /boot/config.txt =S
[15:32] <shiftplusone> but if there isn't, yeah, create it.
[15:32] <DoctorD90> it doesnt xD
[15:32] <DoctorD90> ok, without add anything every else...great...thx :D
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[15:34] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, how do you find your case for rpi?? good? the black/white transparent case that do not cover all rpi
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[15:35] <DoctorD90> (i have to purchase it from adafruit)
[15:35] <shiftplusone> are you asking about the pibow cases or flirc?
[15:35] <DoctorD90> pibow
[15:36] <DoctorD90> im not very sure about the complete pibow, and half pibow....in your pic you have both
[15:36] <DoctorD90> one on another
[15:36] <shiftplusone> can't complain. flirc is nice and polished, but pibow lets me connect the camera. the pibow coupe lets me connect things to gpio
[15:36] <shiftplusone> I usually buy the pibow couple
[15:36] <shiftplusone> *coupe
[15:37] <DoctorD90> what is the flirc? 0o
[15:37] <shiftplusone> the aluminium case on the right
[15:37] <DoctorD90> ah
[15:38] <shiftplusone> the black and silver one
[15:38] <DoctorD90> nah...too much expensive i think...i have to connect gpio with cobbler, so not with 40 wire, but with bus like old pc...IDE connector
[15:38] <shiftplusone> don't think there are many (if any) cases that let you connect IDE connectors
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[15:39] <DoctorD90> im not be sure if couple or not, because when i connect/disconnect usb belong to me, i would hold rpi and its female connect
[15:39] <DoctorD90> no...i mean the cable that seems an IDE, and not 40 single wires :)
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[15:40] <shiftplusone> ah, a bit of a language barrier
[15:40] <DoctorD90> this wire i mean: https://www.adafruit.com/images/970x728/914-01.jpg
[15:41] <DoctorD90> yeap xD as always xD sorry me XD
[15:41] <DoctorD90> (even if this cable is for old version, and i have 40pins version)
[15:41] <DoctorD90> it is the first image i have found
[15:41] <shiftplusone> the FLIRC case has a lot on the bottom to let that sort of cable out.
[15:41] <shiftplusone> *slot
[15:42] <DoctorD90> yep, but how many it costs? XD
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[15:42] <shiftplusone> too much
[15:42] <DoctorD90> i purchase pibow for 14$ more or less
[15:42] <DoctorD90> yep xD
[15:42] <shiftplusone> but I think it's worth it
[15:42] <DoctorD90> i have my whislist that reaches 120$ without 20$ of trasnport)
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[15:43] <DoctorD90> pibow not couple has the holes for camera, gpio, and other?
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[15:45] <shiftplusone> not gpio
[15:45] <shiftplusone> just dsi and csi
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[15:46] <DoctorD90> uhm...ok...many thx! so now i can purchase pibow couple being sure of what i purchase :D
[15:46] <DoctorD90> ...my little quadcopter is every day more near to me xD
[15:46] <shiftplusone> I don't think a case is a good idea for a quadcopter
[15:47] <shiftplusone> you really want to minimize the weight
[15:48] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, now im not using rpi due too it hasnt cover...it is in my drawer without being used
[15:49] <DoctorD90> and untill i understand how each breakboard works....it will be pass man time xD
[15:49] <DoctorD90> so that day probably i will purchase another rpi xD only for quadcopter xD
[15:49] <shiftplusone> I'd go for an A+ there
[15:50] <shiftplusone> You'll still need another board to control the motors
[15:50] <DoctorD90> uhm...maybe is a good idea....i have to check how much memory it use for all computations...
[15:50] <DoctorD90> yes, i use this one....
[15:50] <DoctorD90> https://www.adafruit.com/products/815
[15:51] <DoctorD90> the issue is that i have t understand a little more how to connect ESC (as SpeedEvil told me last nigth)
[15:51] <DoctorD90> :P
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[15:56] <SpeedEvil> An ESC is basically just like a servo - except instead of going to one position, it goes to one peed
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> speed
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> when you connect up the battery, motor, and PWM source
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[15:58] <DoctorD90> so i have from 1 side the battery "input", another one the brushless motot "output" and last one for pwm signal?
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[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Basically, yes.
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[16:12] <DoctorD90> ok....im finding out esc+ brushless for 13$ -.- ....from shopper only motos cost 18€ .....ESC 5-10€ .....for 1 motor i'd need belong to him 30 € >.>
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[16:12] <DoctorD90> fool....
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[16:18] <DoctorD90> SpeedEvil, what is UBEC in an esc? 0o
[16:19] <DoctorD90> > Emax Simon K Series 60A Brushless ESC with UBEC for Multirotor RC Quadcopter
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[16:26] <waagbo> Having issues with SDL in framebuffer mode. Python games only displays a black screen. Any suggestions?
[16:28] <mrmoney2012> grrr, trying to use pygame to output to hdmi screen not as easy as i thought it would be
[16:28] <waagbo> mrmoney2012: whats your issue? I only get a blank screen when running the pygame games
[16:29] <mrmoney2012> i’m looking for a guide … don;t want to run it in xwindows.
[16:29] <mrmoney2012> trying to display text on an HDMI monitor - now playing sonf from MPD
[16:32] <waagbo> mrmoney2012: SDL should work out of the box. If you look at the examples in the python_games folder.
[16:32] <waagbo> However I have a wierd problem with my setup that causes a black screen
[16:32] <mrmoney2012> i’m workng on the command like
[16:32] <mrmoney2012> line
[16:33] <mrmoney2012> i am ssh’d into the pi with the screen attached
[16:33] <mrmoney2012> not sure that matters though
[16:34] <waagbo> try running as super user (sudo)
[16:35] <waagbo> ssh connection doesn't have access to the framebuffer
[16:35] <noturboo> u can wall. i think
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> Err
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> Yes it does
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> ssh has nothing to do with the framebuffer
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> Which version of SDL are you using waagbo?
[16:36] <waagbo> No idea, the one installed by default. How do I check?
[16:36] <mrmoney2012> ok, tried sudo also - i get the screen to blank but so far not managed to render any text or images on the monitor
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[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> waagbo: sdl-config --version
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[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> You really should be using SDL2 by now
[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> SDL2 has a nice OpenGLES driver for the Rpi
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[16:39] <waagbo> Sonny_Jim: Installed libsdl-dev, sdl-config says 1.2.15
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[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> Are you planning to use the framebuffer or x11?
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[16:41] <waagbo> Sonny_Jim: I'm trying to get Dosbox and python games to run. Getting a black screen. mrmoney2012 is trying to develop for the framebuffer
[16:41] <waagbo> mrmoney2012: ^
[16:42] <mrmoney2012> i’m stuck !
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> waagbo: So, under X then?
[16:43] <waagbo> Sonny_Jim: no, works fine under X, want it to run on the framebuffer
[16:43] <mrmoney2012> so this.. http://pastie.org/9991694
[16:43] <mrmoney2012> it runs without erros
[16:43] <mrmoney2012> errors...
[16:44] <mrmoney2012> but just a blank screen on the HDMI monitor, not sure line 6 is correct, but it is blanking the hdmi monitor.
[16:44] <mrmoney2012> ctrl-c brings the monitor back to life
[16:45] <mrmoney2012> I am ssh’d into the pi and i run the script as sudo
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[16:45] <Sonny_Jim> waagbo: I would compile SDL2 and use that, I never got very good performance out of SDL1, SDL2 has OpenGLES2 acceleration
[16:46] <waagbo> Sonny_Jim: might try that. your example just shows a black screen under framebuffer mode (like all the other SDL apps)
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[16:47] <mrmoney2012> my example look ok ? why is no clock displayed ?
[16:47] <Sonny_Jim> mrmoney2012: Try asking in #python
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[16:50] <Foxhoundz> Hello Rpi
[16:51] <waagbo> Sonny_Jim: I belive there is some kind of wierd framebuffer error on the newest raspbian
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[17:00] <avrdude> why isnt there a led that shows if the pi as actually on?
[17:02] <waagbo> avrdude: you have the PWR led.
[17:02] <syeekick> anyone running ubuntu snappy
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[17:04] <avrdude> waagbo: but the PWR led is always on
[17:04] <waagbo> syeekick: prepping SD card for it right now
[17:04] <avrdude> as long as it has power
[17:04] <syeekick> me too
[17:04] <syeekick> does it come with a gui#?
[17:04] <avrdude> i want a led that tells me of the OS is actually running
[17:04] <avrdude> if*
[17:04] <ShorTie> what model pi avrdude ??
[17:04] <waagbo> syeekick: no idea
[17:04] <avrdude> ShorTie: the newest one..
[17:04] <waagbo> avrdude: you mean a led to show that it's ready?
[17:05] <ShorTie> oh, then there is
[17:05] <avrdude> a led to tell me if something is actually running
[17:05] <avrdude> all i see, ever, is the red pwr led..
[17:05] <ShorTie> look at the green act light, it has a heart beat to it
[17:05] <IT_Sean> the ACT LED is usually a pretty good indicator. It indicates SD card activity.
[17:05] <avrdude> i miss the "ok" led of the previous models
[17:05] <avrdude> i never see the ACT led do anything :-/
[17:06] <ShorTie> you not l@@k`n hard enough
[17:06] <IT_Sean> Then you either aren't looking, or your Pi isn't running.
[17:06] <avrdude> hmm. ok, it pulses every second, and its *barely* visible
[17:06] <ShorTie> but it does constantly blink with a heart beat like
[17:06] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[17:07] <avrdude> like, from half a meter away, i honestly cant even see it
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[17:08] <waagbo> avrdude: If you just want to know when the PI has booted (in a non monitor environment) you can attach a LED to the GPIO pins, and create a script in init.d tat will light up the LED at the time you want (f.ex after X11 has booted)
[17:08] <ShorTie> sorry, never said is was easy, just that it is there
[17:09] <avrdude> waagbo: not having a led like that by default is kind of silly, if you ask me
[17:10] <avrdude> although, it would be difficult to know exactly when it had finished booting i guess..
[17:10] <ShorTie> all comes down to the mighty $$ and cost of production
[17:10] <avrdude> ok, i yield
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[17:12] <Ryccardo> would still make more sense than the 10/100 one...
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[17:16] <ShorTie> you could do it with the act light too by taking control of it, blinking out some kinda code, and returning it back to the system if you want
[17:17] <syeekick> waagbo
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[17:19] <quellen> what'is better? raspberry 2 or odroid u3?
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[17:21] <mgottschlag> quellen: depends on what you want. The odroid u3 is much more expensive, has a slightly more resources, but less GPIOs
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[17:22] <mgottschlag> and the pi probably has better software support (or will have better software support), whereas the power consumption of the odroid u3 might be lower
[17:22] <quellen> i want to watch naked woman video
[17:23] <Encrypt> Wut?
[17:23] <sivteck> then go with udroid, since it comes with the video decoder license
[17:24] <mgottschlag> heh, at the price difference, you can buy multiple decoder license I guess
[17:24] <sivteck> ;p
[17:24] <quellen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzjeAaLbM5k
[17:25] <mgottschlag> -.-
[17:25] <syeekick> waagbo, the default username/password is ubuntu ubuntu
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[17:27] <shiftplusone> quellen, wrong channel
[17:27] <quellen> the best things to do with raspberry are: 1) watch youporn with xbmc 2) play c64 games with retropi
[17:28] <quellen> e
[17:28] <netw1z> how do i do youporn combined with c64 games?
[17:28] <netw1z> that sounds like a good project
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[17:30] <Encrypt> Thanks shiftplusone
[17:30] <avrdude> Anyone used this? http://www.adafruit.com/product/2260
[17:31] <shiftplusone> any time
[17:31] <avrdude> before i solder off the touch-LED, is there any way to disable it? The blinking is so annoying
[17:32] <ShorTie> don't load the drivers for it maybe ??
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[17:34] <ShorTie> don't hook up the usb cable ??
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[17:39] <syeekick> snapppy ubuntu core,seems to be specific to a web application of sorts.
[17:39] <syeekick> not what im lookin for my pi to do :P
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[17:49] <shiftplusone> that should come in handy
[17:52] <ppq> /quote remove #channel nick is nice too
[17:52] <ppq> that way the channel just closes, as if they parted themselves
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> nice
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[17:53] <CoJaBo> Classy.
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[17:54] <ppq> yeah, like that :D
[17:54] <shiftplusone> sorry >.>
[17:54] <shiftplusone> had to try it
[17:54] <CoJaBo> Classy.
[17:54] <CoJaBo> lol
[17:54] <Ryccardo> TIL
[17:54] <shiftplusone> anyway... before I go mad with power.
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[18:23] <avrdude> Do I need additional drivers to use the PS3 EYE usb camera?
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[18:26] <ShorTie> i would think so, or at least load them maybe
[18:27] <ShorTie> but dmesg will give clues to all that
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[18:29] <ShorTie> some times a quick way to check, is a simple lsmod before/after plugging it in
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[19:19] <abnormal> what's the link about the chip on pi B-2 that is sensitive to flashes? pls.
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[19:20] <shiftplusone> abnormal, just check the blog
[19:20] <avrdude> what is this connector called? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7OD-PAT7ALA/UoIBryZLM0I/AAAAAAAAA2s/tWhYHLe6ESk/s1600/k0Puu.jpg
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[19:21] <LinuxAdmin> i've heard something about that. is it true?
[19:21] <shiftplusone> FPC connector?
[19:21] <Wec> ^
[19:21] <shiftplusone> LinuxAdmin, sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDfRCi1UV0
[19:22] <LinuxAdmin> I saw the video, but I thought it were fake...
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[19:23] <IT_Sean> avrdude, one of those is the CDI connector (for the Camera module), the other the DSI connector for the (as of yet unreleased) display module
[19:23] <IT_Sean> *CSI
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[19:24] <avrdude> IT_Sean: is there a product number i can find somewhere? i am going to create a shield, and want to connect it to CDI port
[19:24] <avrdude> i would like the exact same as on the pi
[19:24] <IT_Sean> A part number for what?
[19:25] <avrdude> the connector. there are literally tons of FPC connectors on mouser
[19:25] <IT_Sean> No idea.
[19:25] <IT_Sean> I'm sure you could find the p/n w/ a bit of googling
[19:25] <avrdude> do you know where i can find it? is there a BOM for the pi somewhere?
[19:25] * shiftplusone hands avrdude a ruler
[19:25] * IT_Sean hands avrdude a Google
[19:26] <Wec> It's a surface mount ZIF 15 socket
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[19:26] <shiftplusone> zif is a little too general as well
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[19:28] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, that video is very funny :D
[19:29] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, can't recommend EEVBlog highly enough
[19:29] <DoctorD90> xD
[19:29] <shiftplusone> Some people are unable to watch them because of Dave's voice, but they're clearly <expletive>.
[19:30] <DoctorD90> it is very funny like video....i just hope it is true xD
[19:30] <NGC3982> shiftplusone: dave..
[19:30] <DoctorD90> yes...his voice is a little strange xD and speak very fast :D
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[19:39] <moss> hi.. I have an 8gb "noobs" sd card on my model A raspberry pi with 'retropi' loaded up on it. For some reason, i only have 11 MB of space left on a *fresh* install. Is this normal???
[19:40] <avrdude> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/Raspberry-Pi-B-Plus-V1.2-Schematics.pdf
[19:40] <avrdude> are there actually 30 pins, but half of them are n/c?
[19:40] <avrdude> what happens if you put the flex cable in the wrong way?
[19:41] <avrdude> i have seriously been googling my butt off, and i can not figure out what connector they have used
[19:41] <shiftplusone> avrdude, if you put it in the wrong way, it just won't work
[19:42] <Ryccardo> avrdude: they look like one-way connectors that won't close if the cable has the reinforcing plastic on the wrong side, but since the other side is open -- nothing
[19:42] <avrdude> ok, so it is actually a 30 pin connector, not a 15 pin as previously stated in this channel?
[19:42] <avrdude> well why am i asking, it obviously is
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[19:43] <shiftplusone> you can get a 15 or 30 pin connector....
[19:43] <shiftplusone> just get the pitch right
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[19:47] <avrdude> those flat flex cables.. can i buy a long one, and cut it into smaller parts?
[19:47] <avrdude> is it easy to terminate?
[19:47] <avrdude> seems troublesome to scrape off the insulation i guess
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[19:50] <Ryccardo> as they were in the 90s, they were a nightmare, and I suspect they haven't changed much
[19:50] <Ryccardo> (or they got worse due to widespread SMD sizes)
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[19:50] <avrdude> so i'm better off getting some precut cables right?
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[20:07] <avrdude> I honestly thought rpi was open source
[20:07] <CoJaBo> some of it is
[20:07] <avrdude> why isn't the full schematic, layout, and bom available?
[20:07] <CoJaBo> Because Broadcom.
[20:07] <Ryccardo> ^^^
[20:08] <Ryccardo> but the schematic is (although broken up in parts) or am I missing something?
[20:08] <avrdude> no, only partially
[20:08] <CoJaBo> You can get the schematic, AFAIK
[20:08] <CoJaBo> I've seen it before
[20:09] <avrdude> well, ok the full schematic is there
[20:09] <CoJaBo> It would be pretty awesome to have an OSS operating system and drivers running on an OSS core. But that would cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
[20:09] <avrdude> but not the layout
[20:09] <avrdude> only a mechanical drawing
[20:09] <avrdude> which is useless
[20:09] <shiftplusone> It would also be great if it came with a free pony.
[20:09] <CoJaBo> ..that seems like it should also be avilable. The only stuff that isn't open is the SoC and some drivers for it
[20:10] <avrdude> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/README.md
[20:10] <avrdude> this is all i can find
[20:10] <shiftplusone> But clearly, evil broadcom doesn't want people to have ponies.
[20:10] <CoJaBo> lol
[20:10] <CoJaBo> Bronycom.
[20:11] <shiftplusone> ...oh god =|
[20:11] <CoJaBo> ..i don't know why I typed that
[20:11] <shiftplusone> It's okay... just... don't do it again =P
[20:11] <avrdude> what does broadcom have to do with anything?
[20:11] * Ryccardo what if it had been a Mediatek instead?
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[20:12] <shiftplusone> avrdude, mostly nothing but people like to blame them. The SoC is made by them and they haven't released the ponies, design files, full documentation, free sandwiches, application notes or any of the stuff all the others have released (not).
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[20:14] <mgottschlag> hey, I have an Atmel board here, ARM9 with full docs!!!!1111eleven
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[20:16] <TheLostAdmin> No free sandwiches!?!?!? I'm offended.
[20:17] <avrdude> shiftplusone: the SoC still has nothing to do with the design files of the rpi.. just because their chip is used, they cant say "hurrr dont show people how you made that PCB that has our chip on it"
[20:17] <shiftplusone> avrdude, indeed
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[20:17] <avrdude> so, why arent files available ;_;
[20:19] <shiftplusone> I don't know, but they're not really a priority to our goals. Any electrical engineer worth his salt will have no trouble re-creating the design files. All the necessary information is out there, so it's not really a barrier to getting things done.
[20:20] <TheLostAdmin> shiftplusone: that may be so BUT there are a lot of wannabe engineers and hobbiests just starting out that don't have those skills yet and would benefit greatly from proper documentation.
[20:21] <avrdude> so, i can power the pi through the +5v pin right?
[20:21] <shiftplusone> sure, but I'd argue that's not what the pi is for.
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[20:21] <shiftplusone> avrdude, yes, but you'd bypass the input protection
[20:21] <avrdude> #yolo
[20:21] <Ryccardo> yeah, but it's in your interest to provide your own overvoltage and overcurrent protection then
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[20:24] <Coded1> hello all!
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[20:25] <cgj> hi
[20:25] <Coded1> Just got my first ras pi and I wanted to see if there is documentation that talks about the broadcom chip and how it works internally
[20:26] <avrdude> shiftplusone: this input protection you are talking about is simply a fuse on the +5v signal from the usb port right?
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[20:26] <Coded1> I've read about the boot process .... GPU > ARM but I would like to read more about how this process actually work
[20:26] <avrdude> i dont see any other protection than that
[20:27] <moss> can you use the power supply from a raspi B on the pi2?
[20:27] <shiftplusone> avrdude, I believe there are tvs and polarity diodes as well
[20:27] <Ryccardo> avrdude: and a zener that shorts + and - if voltage gets too high (which in turn will make the fuse increase in resistance and stop input)
[20:27] <avrdude> Ryccardo: apart from the 3v3 regulator, there is no "overvoltage" protection, so i really dont see the problem of powering the pi through the 5v gpio pin
[20:27] <Coded1> I use a charger from my Nexus 4 to power my raspberry pi 2
[20:28] <avrdude> but the 5v pin and 5v usb signal are basically the same signal
[20:28] <Coded1> only when it's really pegged do I get the low power signal
[20:28] <avrdude> (only a fuse between them)
[20:28] <Coded1> that should be a 2A @ 5V adapter
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[20:29] <Ryccardo> 2 amps should be way more than required, but the labeling on many chargers is rigged
[20:30] <Coded1> I have to admit I thought the PI-2 would be a lot slower than it actually is
[20:30] <Coded1> it's actually pretty snappy
[20:30] <avrdude> i know rite
[20:31] <Coded1> anyone try Debian Jessie ARM FH on the PI-2?
[20:31] <Ryccardo> I would if I had one, but on paper it'll work
[20:31] * shiftplusone raises hand
[20:32] <Coded1> shiftplusone: any feedback?
[20:32] <shiftplusone> Slower than raspbian jessie
[20:32] <Coded1> is it faster than raspian ?
[20:32] <shiftplusone> apart from a few packages which benefit from NEON, like ffmpeg
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[20:32] <Coded1> ARM7A should give us native firefox and others right?
[20:33] <shiftplusone> it should give all kinds of thing, but I only tried iceweasel
[20:34] <Coded1> how did you install Debian Jessie ? Do you have an image?
[20:34] <shiftplusone> I used debootstrap
[20:34] <shiftplusone> sec... lemme see if I have an image. saved somewhere
[20:35] <shiftplusone> nope
[20:35] <Coded1> np
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[20:37] <Coded1> I'm going to give one to my nephew, any ideas on "HAT"s that he might be intrested in?
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[20:38] <shiftplusone> unicorn hat perhaps
[20:38] <shiftplusone> when it comes out, the astro pi board is going to be pretty fun to play with
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[20:40] <TheLostAdmin> That's the one with all the sensors, right?
[20:41] <TheLostAdmin> Is it 3D accelerometors and magnetometors?
[20:41] <TheLostAdmin> It would make for an interesting project to build a dead reckoning device if that's true.
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[20:42] <TheLostAdmin> Does it leave the SPI available for one of the TFT displays? Sadly nobody (that I know of) has a working TFT that uses the header meant for them.
[20:42] <b0bbi10> hi, not sure if this is the appropriate channel for it, but I'll ask anyway. If I use the raspberry pi as a bnc and connect to it only from my local network, am I safe from being hacked on the little machine?
[20:42] <shiftplusone> 9DOF (accelerometer, magnetometer, gyroscope), humidity, pressure, LED matrix.
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[20:43] <shiftplusone> SPI is used to program the avr on it, but I think you shouldn't have trouble using a TFT as well.
[20:43] <Ryccardo> b0bbi10: you probably can set it to only bind to certain addresses, I guess
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[20:44] <Coded1> The J4 section of the board is "Display" what screens actually support that interface?
[20:44] <TheLostAdmin> I forgot about humidity and pressure. No temperature sensor (or at least a header to attach one)?
[20:44] <Criggie> b0bbi10: not really - the jump box still has to connect to the outside world.
[20:44] <b0bbi10> Ryccardo, you mean so that no one from outside can connect to it?
[20:45] <shiftplusone> each of those sensors also has a temp sensor
[20:45] <Ryccardo> b0bbi10: yup
[20:45] <Criggie> b0bbi10: it might hide your home IP address on IRC, but you'd still show your hosted jump box's IP
[20:45] <shiftplusone> but because the board itself gets quite warm, they're not very accurate.
[20:45] <b0bbi10> Criggie, as my laptop
[20:45] <TheLostAdmin> Coded1, I was reading an article that claimed the screen in the iPod mini uses that type of connector for it's screen. I'm not buying a mini just to scavenge the screen, though.
[20:45] <shiftplusone> well, they're accurate, but they don't tell you the ambient temperature.
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[20:46] <Criggie> b0bbi10: are you trying to hide dodgy stuff, or are you simply being cautious ?
[20:46] <mitchtay> whoops, my bad.
[20:46] <shiftplusone> /notice that #osdev is inactive
[20:46] <Criggie> mitchtay: :-P
[20:46] <Criggie> mitchtay: better than an ircop tying their password in channel by mistake
[20:46] <Coded1> TheLostAdmin: thanks, It would likely result in having to find an adapter of some sort anyway
[20:46] <b0bbi10> Criggie, I am simply being cautious. I know my IP will still be visible, but I am wondering if for example port 22 for SSH will be accessible from the outside
[20:46] <b0bbi10> for instance
[20:47] <Criggie> b0bbi10: sounds like you need more confidence in your home firewall.
[20:47] <mitchtay> Criggie: Haha, that wouldn't be a good thing. I hope they changed it soon after.
[20:47] <TheLostAdmin> shiftplusone: hence my question about a header. So you can put a temperature sensor on a wire to get it away from the heat generated by the Pi and add-ons
[20:47] <shiftplusone> yeah, you can do that without any problems
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[20:48] <Criggie> mitchtay: it was "by mistake" ie, on purpose, trolling a known "31337 hacker"
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[20:49] <b0bbi10> Criggie, so no problems using my rpi as a local bnc?
[20:49] <b0bbi10> with*
[20:49] <b0bbi10> just was afraid that my rpi would appear as a server on the Internet that can be hacked.
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[20:49] <Ryccardo> why would it be different than a PC, software side? :)
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[20:50] <b0bbi10> well, it wouldn't I guess ;D
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[20:50] <Criggie> b0bbi10: none at all, would be somewhat slow is all. The fact its a Pi would gain you just about 0 increased security, and what it does get you is a different architecture, so that a x86 compiled binary won't run. Not a lot better than nothing at all.
[20:51] <Criggie> b0bbi10: you might be better off to hide your IP on IRC.
[20:52] <b0bbi10> hm, security/ anonymity wasn't my concern in the first place when I asked, I wanted to always stay online with the rpi instead of my laptop/ pc
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[20:52] <b0bbi10> Criggie, well, my IP is public on IRC anyway, isn't it?
[20:53] <Criggie> b0bbi10: for you, yes. do a /whois day
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[20:53] <Criggie> day: sorry to pick on you.
[20:53] <b0bbi10> :D
[20:53] <Criggie> personally I have a pfsense firewall and I have confidence in it, so I don't bother hiding my IP.
[20:53] <b0bbi10> but the same would apply to the rpi if I connect to IRC through it
[20:53] <mitchtay> Yay for pfsense.
[20:54] <mitchtay> I've been using it for a few years now; it's a fantastic firewall.
[20:55] <Criggie> mitchtay: aye - runs sweet on an atom, shame there's no pi variant.
[20:55] <Criggie> router on a stick would be loverly.
[20:55] <abnormal> b0bbi10, I use my pi 24/7 at home for chat... rarely do I use lappy to chat except away from home...
[20:55] <mitchtay> Criggie: No official one anyway. I do remember seeing somebody start an arm port on the fora some time ago. I don't think anything came of it though.
[20:56] <mitchtay> Criggie: I think IPFire has an arm variant. If you're into that sort of thing of course.
[20:56] <Criggie> mitchtay: yep, but if its not officially supported, its a dirty hack.
[20:56] <b0bbi10> abnormal, did you setup any precautions? configured it in any special way (regarding security)?
[20:56] <Coded1> does anyone power their PI via battery pack of some sort? If so which one do you use? Just AA's or something else
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[20:57] <Criggie> Coded1: I've been looking at those USB battery power packs, the ones you're supposed to use to charge a phone in the field.
[20:57] <Criggie> Coded1: they look like USB UPSs, so one of them might be suitable.
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[20:57] <Ryccardo> Coded1: I used it with a Duracell rechargeable USB kit, but just to try it -- it charges slower than it outputs
[20:58] <Criggie> Coded1: better than a full UPS converting mains -> battery -> mains -> Wall adapter to USB voltages -> Pi
[20:58] <abnormal> b0bbi10, nope... just have raspbian and clamav that's it...
[20:58] <Coded1> Ryccardo: I have one right here apparently 2200mah
[20:58] <Coded1> how much battery would I need to last 2 days straight?
[20:58] <Criggie> quite a bit I think. What's the scenario ?
[20:59] <Ryccardo> peak power is allegedly 0,7 A, so 48 hours * 0,7 A...
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[20:59] <Coded1> not sure yet just want to get a handle on the power usage
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[20:59] <Ryccardo> 33600 mAh (plus more to compensate for inefficiency)
[20:59] <Coded1> so about 35Ah
[20:59] <Coded1> true
[20:59] <Criggie> 35-40 Ah of battery then, which means ~80 Ah of SLA or less of something better
[20:59] <muriani> I've got a 20,000mAh battery, that should last it for a bit
[21:00] <Coded1> true
[21:00] <muriani> damn lapdock would run out before then >_<
[21:00] <TheLostAdmin> Car battery?
[21:00] <Criggie> muriani: that'll do a day or so. Want to test it ?
[21:00] <mitchtay> ~28 hours
[21:00] <muriani> Criggie: actually, kinda yeah.
[21:00] <Criggie> TheLostAdmin: car batteries are not deep cycle, (unless they are)
[21:01] <Criggie> TheLostAdmin: I was looking into this for a bike project. A normal car starting battery will put out lots of current quickly, but not for long time
[21:01] <TheLostAdmin> Criggie: ya okay. Deep-cycle rv "house" battery then?
[21:01] <muriani> set up a cron to write the output of date to a log every minute
[21:01] <Criggie> TheLostAdmin: yep - caravan or winching battery... and they're 6x the cost of a car starter battery.
[21:02] <Coded1> are there any robotics "kits" around?
[21:02] <Ryccardo> it won't be a problem to put such a small load on a car battery, but they only last like 20 cycles
[21:02] <TheLostAdmin> You could look at golf cart batteries. They are deep-cycle relatively cheep and typically 6V. I know a lot of boaters opt for them instead of the marine batteries.
[21:03] <CoJaBo> ...Someone say cheap??
[21:03] <Criggie> another option is go get a trade-in battery from the local garage... say that you're testing something and you'll bring it back once the test is over. Old batteries are worth a few bucks in scrap, to the garage, if they have enough of them.
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[21:03] <TheLostAdmin> nope. Said "relatively cheap". As in relative to marine deep-cycle batteries.
[21:03] <Criggie> TheLostAdmin: yeah - $600 NZ for an optima yellow deep cycle :(
[21:03] <Ryccardo> o.o
[21:04] <Criggie> TheLostAdmin: about 60x the cost of the bike !
[21:04] <TheLostAdmin> Criggie: sounds about right.
[21:04] <CoJaBo> Fun Fact: Walmart will accept a burt-out husk of a former car battery as a core charge.
[21:04] <TheLostAdmin> Criggie: probably too heavy too.
[21:05] <Criggie> TheLostAdmin: yeah I was looking at putting 3x batteries on a bike trailer.
[21:05] <Criggie> TheLostAdmin: http://www.electric-bike-kit-forum.com/36v-so-far-t561.html
[21:08] <TheLostAdmin> kinda cool. Are you going to have a Pi in there somewhere?
[21:09] <mitchtay> Criggie: that's a lot for a battery!
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[21:09] <mitchtay> Where are you getting it from?
[21:10] <mitchtay> or would you be getting it from (if you were to pay that price) rather?
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[21:12] <Criggie> mitchtay: I live in New Zealand, everything is expensive.
[21:14] <CoJaBo> Criggie: Gotta fund dat government spy program.
[21:14] <Criggie> CoJaBo: thank fuck I don't live in aus-merica though
[21:15] <Criggie> New Zanada is so much friendlier :)
[21:15] <CoJaBo> NZ is One Of Us™ as well tho
[21:15] <TheLostAdmin> What are the Ausies doing now?
[21:15] <CoJaBo> US, UK, AU, NZ, gah what was the 5th one
[21:16] <CoJaBo> Canada.
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[21:18] <TheLostAdmin> I am not familiar with that reference, CoJaBo.
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[21:19] <CoJaBo> ?
[21:19] <TheLostAdmin> Your "one of us" thing.
[21:19] <CoJaBo> The snowden thing.
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[21:23] <Fenaer> Hey there, I'm having some trouble booting my raspberrypi
[21:23] <shiftplusone> Criggie, mind the language there a bit.
[21:23] <Fenaer> It's an original Model B, 256MB ram
[21:23] <Ryccardo> !
[21:24] <shiftplusone> Fenaer, sounds like it was time for an upgrade anyway. =P
[21:24] <Fenaer> It does :P But I'd like to get it booting if Icould
[21:24] <Fenaer> Any help with troubleshooting?
[21:25] <Fenaer> I've shoved the latest raspian image on an 8GB SD, but I don't get anything happening with the OK LED
[21:25] <Ryccardo> well, does it get to the rainbow logo? panic quickly?
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[21:25] <shiftplusone> Fenaer, is the 'OK' LED very dimly lit?
[21:25] <Fenaer> Maybe? How would I tell
[21:25] <shiftplusone> (you may need to cover the red led with your finger and look closly
[21:25] <Fenaer> Give me a second
[21:25] <Ryccardo> hmmm... maybe try the alternative start.elf?
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[21:26] <shiftplusone> It's most likely an sd card slot issue
[21:26] <Fenaer> I think it's dimly lit, I can't be sure
[21:27] <Fenaer> Either way no change if the SD card is in or not
[21:27] <shiftplusone> k, hold the card against the board with your thumb to ensure too contact while powering up and pay attention to the LED, see if it flickers at all if you do that.
[21:27] <shiftplusone> *good contact
[21:27] <Criggie> shiftplusone: for you - "I am particularly grateful that I am not subject to the American or Australian concept of freedom" better?
[21:28] <Fenaer> Nope, no change
[21:28] <Ryccardo> tried with a different card?
[21:28] <shiftplusone> Fenaer, then buy a pi 2 and enjoy the upgrade... Unless you want to try soldering on your own slot and playing around with different cards.
[21:28] <Fenaer> No I haven't, I might have a 64GB card somewhere
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[21:29] <Fenaer> Oh I got it to flash!
[21:29] <Fenaer> The OK light is on
[21:29] <shiftplusone> aha
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[21:30] <Fenaer> I have to really hold the card in with some force though
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[21:31] <Ryccardo> well, sounds like your socket is more reliable than the one on my MBP
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[21:31] <Fenaer> What could be causing the dodgy connection?
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[21:32] <Ryccardo> the pins might have lost elasticity if you left a card in 24/7 or it got bent while inserted
[21:32] <Fenaer> It's had a card in it for the past 12 months
[21:32] <Fenaer> In a cupbaord
[21:33] <Fenaer> cupboard*
[21:33] <Ryccardo> the open back design of the slot isn't the absolute best, either
[21:33] <Fenaer> Has the new pi got a redesigned card slot?
[21:33] <shiftplusone> Fenaer, yes, clicky microsd
[21:33] <Ryccardo> uses microSD, iirc
[21:34] <Fenaer> Oh cool.
[21:34] <Fenaer> I'd have to get a microSD to SD adapter though right?
[21:34] <Ryccardo> it should have been called "«new» Raspberry Pi B" ;)
[21:34] <shiftplusone> you can pull the contacts forward (a little!), stick a credit card cut-out on the back of your slot with super glue and put a sticker or two onto the sd card to make it thicker in the meanwhile.
[21:34] <Criggie> Ryccardo: Pi C would have been good too.
[21:35] <Ryccardo> Criggie: but it wouldn't have assonance with the New 3DS then :p
[21:35] <Criggie> Fenaer: to use the micro SD card in your SD slot, yes.
[21:35] <Fenaer> shiftplusone: I'll try that. All I want is to run a little IRC proxy on it!
[21:35] <TheLostAdmin> I think the name is somewhat accurate. Raspberry Pi 2 (because it's got a new processor) Model B (because it's the model B+ design).
[21:35] <Criggie> Fenaer: they're a couple of bucks maximum, and some micro SD cards come with th eadapter already.
[21:35] <Ryccardo> most microSDs have an adapter in the box, btw
[21:35] <TheLostAdmin> Okay, not super accurate.
[21:35] <Fenaer> Criggie: Just need it to work with my MBA is all
[21:35] <cehteh> Message from syslogd@raspberrypi at Mar 1 21:25:47 ...
[21:35] <cehteh> kernel:[76330.031664] Internal error: Oops: 5 [#1] PREEMPT SMP ARM
[21:35] <cehteh> ... oops :D
[21:36] * Ryccardo I feel a little sorry for everyone who believed in miniSD
[21:36] <Fenaer> Right, I'll be off to see if I can fix my archaic hardware
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[21:36] <TheLostAdmin> I still believe in miniSD. Just like I believe in lemonade. Although I don't actually use miniSD, I believe it exists.
[21:37] <Criggie> Ryccardo: whats the old saw about "every other generation " ? VHS tape+ laserdisk- DVD+
[21:37] <TheLostAdmin> Well, actually I do use lemonade. So maybe I believe in lemonade a bit more.
[21:37] <Ryccardo> Never seen one in the real world, apart from a micro to mini adapter
[21:37] <shiftplusone> Ryccardo, we don't need your pity! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2015-03-01%2020.36.37.jpg
[21:37] <Criggie> Or when you crack open a box and find a MMC card, or a "smartmedia" card
[21:37] <Ryccardo> :)
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> JEDEC RAM
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> (PCMCIA-like)
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[21:41] <Ryccardo> coincidence? we found an XD card in a suitcase this afternoon
[21:41] * ozzzy has a bag full of micro SD cards
[21:42] <ozzzy> my missus recycles cellphones.... lots come in with the SD card still in them
[21:42] <Criggie> ozzzy: RAID array of storage :)
[21:42] <ozzzy> you'd be surprised what people take pictures of
[21:42] <Criggie> ozzzy: you're not supposed to look :-\
[21:42] <Criggie> ozzzy: that's why I don't trust recyclers .
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[21:43] <ozzzy> rule is... don't leave the card in your phone
[21:43] <Ryccardo> you really mean most used computers are formatted, in your area? ;)
[21:43] <Criggie> rule is - don't trust someone else to delete your data for you.
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[21:45] <abnormal> rule is: don't recycle, destroy....
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> It's really quite easy to take actually destroyed phones, and lift out the flash chip
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> And then read it
[21:46] <Criggie> abnormal: no no no - the learning that needs to happen is "your data has value to other people, so delete it yourself before recycling" not "don't recycle"
[21:46] <Ryccardo> for meople with smd skills, you mean...
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> Ryccardo: Well - yes.
[21:48] <abnormal> 1. build a camp fire. 2. put phone in fire.
[21:48] <Criggie> what is the dollar value of a working facebook or gmail password? To the right (ie the wrong) people its got to be something
[21:48] <Criggie> abnormal: 3. avoid toxic fumes.
[21:48] <Criggie> abnormal: 1a. take battery from phone
[21:48] <Criggie> before puttin gin fire
[21:48] <Ryccardo> email account is quite interesting, as it can reset most other accounts
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> The green solution is to buy a blendtek blender, with a spare jug for securing electronics
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[21:49] <Criggie> Ryccardo: every piece of information has a value, to someone other than the owner. might be really low.
[21:49] <Criggie> SpeedEvil: any excuse to blend things, right /
[21:49] <Criggie> ?
[21:49] <Criggie> What happens if you blend a blendtec blender in a blendtec blender ?
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[21:50] <SpeedEvil> It becomes Klien.
[21:50] <Criggie> Answer: the universe implodes.
[21:50] <Ryccardo> Criggie: it's like the M&M competition
[21:50] <Criggie> RECURSION ERROR, universe restarted
[21:50] <Fenaer> I have placed a bit of paper behind the SDcard and it seems to apply enough pressure that the pi recognises it
[21:50] <Ryccardo> Criggie: get two M&Ms, crush them against each other, eat the one that breaks, repeat until you only have one, send it to factory for breeding purposes
[21:50] <Criggie> or they suffer from Mutually Assured Destruction and annhialate each other.
[21:50] <Fenaer> Now to re-format the card and put arch on it -_-
[21:51] <Criggie> Ryccardo: noms!
[21:51] * Criggie orders UPSs.
[21:51] <Fenaer> Is there anywhere you can get a raspberry pi for cheaper?
[21:51] <cehteh> mhm someone should optimize dmcrypt massively for the arm core .. putting the SD card into my desktop computer gives almost 20mb/sec reading .. less than 10mb/sec in the pi
[21:51] <Fenaer> Than Farnell
[21:52] <Ryccardo> doubt it, maybe the Chinese models if you get free shipping...
[21:52] <Fenaer> Ah bugger. an upgrade will have to wait until I get paid in a month then
[21:52] <cehteh> i think the price is pretty low already, as this was the goal for the pi and they dont make profits
[21:52] <Fenaer> 256MB all the way
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[21:53] <ozzzy> what's wrong with $35
[21:53] <cehteh> if you get a cheaper from chinese, then thats for profit, which means they have to drop quality or somewhat
[21:53] <Fenaer> ozzzy: My bank account is what's wrong!
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[21:53] <Ryccardo> cehteh: same stuff, but they don't go through CE testing
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[21:54] <cehteh> ce doesnt neccessary require testing, its more a statement that it conforms to the regulations
[21:55] <cehteh> besides here in germany its really hard to get anything without CE through customs
[21:55] <cehteh> first pebble watches all got rejected
[21:55] <Coded1> out of curiosity with the R-PI2 would it be possible to have one core service GPIO interrupts so regular OS service can run with out "bumping" into a GPIO I/O signal?
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[21:59] <cehteh> duh .. no f2fs in the initrd :/
[21:59] <cehteh> rebuild
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[22:02] <mitchtay> Criggie: Argh had a meeting and missed a lot.
[22:02] <mitchtay> Criggie: I'm in New Zealand also and yes everything is mighty expensive.
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[22:05] <Criggie> mitchtay: can't put a price on the lack of guns though. That's good.
[22:05] <Criggie> mitchtay: I'm in Christchurch - sick to death of aftershocks.
[22:05] <mitchtay> Criggie: Hahaha. I'm all the way up in Tauranga, Bay of Plenty.
[22:05] <mitchtay> I visited Christchurch at the end of last year though. It was quite a shock seeing the CBD.
[22:06] <Criggie> nice - You just had a small one, south of White Island
[22:06] <Criggie> yep - its a hole.
[22:06] <mitchtay> I'm due to be back in the south again at the end of this month too.
[22:06] <Criggie> dust and rocks... nothing like "the garden city"
[22:07] <mitchtay> Yeah. I was amazed at how much creativity has been born out of the destruction though. And what's with all of the Giraffes?
[22:07] <Criggie> heh that's a theme thing, as in "how many viewpoints are there to see one thing"
[22:08] <Criggie> dunno why giraffes specifically though.
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[22:09] <mitchtay> I saw a few there when waltzing around town.
[22:09] <mitchtay> But to keep things on topic, any interesting RPI projects you're working on?
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[22:10] <Criggie> mitchtay: there were 16 I think in total.... its trying to help people take a problem and rethink it from the other side... ie "my house is still `broken' after four years" --> look at all the fresh air I get every time the wind blows
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[22:11] <Criggie> mitchtay: okay - my garage has stretched and distorted, and now the old alarm system goes off randomly. I could spend time refitting the doors so they don't wobble, but I've wanted to do a better system for ages. So Raspberry pi running most of the existing sensors / siren / strobe, but also with the ability to alert if its triggered.
[22:11] <Criggie> there's a giraffe moment, right there.
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[22:14] <mitchtay> Criggie: Yeah I know a couple of people that are still waiting for repairs after this time, insurance issues and such. It's getting to the point that they just want to sell up and get what they can and move on with their lives instead of hanging in limbo. Sounds like a fun project though!
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[22:14] <mitchtay> I'm currently working on a baremetal ZMODEM implementation.
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[22:15] <mitchtay> Still trying to figure out if it's possible to dynamically change th UART clock frequency at runtime, instead of through the config.txt.
[22:16] <Criggie> yeah - insurance is the art of taking premiums and not paying on claims.
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[22:25] <cehteh> mhm write performance of f2fs is amazing ... it caches shitload in ram and writes out constantly at max speed
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[22:39] <Criggie> cehteh: all well and good till someone kills the power early.
[22:39] <Criggie> Otherwise we could just cache everything :)
[22:41] <cehteh> i expect it to handle fsync's correctly and keep everything else sane when power is cut (its a logging filesystem, so this should be granted by design)
[22:42] <CoJaBo> Yeh, but you still lose the data in cache..
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[22:43] <cehteh> whats the difference? .. if a process wants to be sure things are written it has to call fsync()
[22:43] <cehteh> it doent matter much if a process bocks on write or on fsync .. if it expects after a finished write() the data is safe then its just a wrong assumption
[22:45] <cehteh> most important thing is that nothing gets damaged when power is lost, but thats mostly about metadata and syncs
[22:46] <cehteh> besides all filesystems work that way, many just have a lot management overhead and cant writeout at full speed
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[23:59] <Ullarah> Using minibian, I've swapped getty with mingetty and am now using only 2 terms, swapped sshd with dropbear, disabled rsyslogd, send .bash_history to /dev/null, set a static IP so no dhcp client, has anybody got some ideas to trim this thing down more? :P

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