#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-02

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[0:52] <cehteh> Ullarah: for what purpose? .. you could use busybox or dash instead bash, reconfigure the kernel to support much less as the default etc
[0:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Ullarah: switch glibc for uclibc, replace coreutils with busybox
[0:53] <cehteh> best way is prolly to run some stats and check what uses the most resources (what do you want to trim down, ram usage, disk usage?)
[0:54] <Triffid_Hunter> Ullarah: I make small initramfs for my desktops, can usually get them down to about 1MB with uclibc, busybox, couple of other small utilities like the udev thing that scans device labels
[0:57] <cehteh> but at some point using such a setup is no fun anymore :)
[0:58] * cehteh rather tries to have a reasonable normal system and optimize it that it still performs well
[0:58] <Triffid_Hunter> Au contrare, I love knowing that if my rootfs gets hosed somehow I don't need to pull out a liveusb
[0:59] <cehteh> i dont care, i have backups on a backup server
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[1:16] <anunnaki> what would be a good set up for the pi to host a mediaserver that will stream videos to the clients like www.genvideos.com ?
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[1:19] <cehteh> raspbmc or openelec can do that, good is matter of taste
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[1:28] <Bookwormser> Hi folks, I am interested in creating the moisture sensor that alerts out via email when water is detected. Has anyone built one? I found the plans online and ordered the sensor.
[1:28] * yohnnyjoe is messing around with weechat
[1:31] <yohnnyjoe> Bookwormser: cool sounding, i've been thinking about what to do
[1:31] <yohnnyjoe> i've setup a game station, but thats not really taking advantage of the "physical computing" aspect of the pi
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[1:33] <nardev> hey guys, is there anyone familiar with computing module? i got bit strange error, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=102357
[1:34] <Sonny_Jim> Looks like your SD card is stuffed
[1:35] * Tach[phone] is now known as Tach[Zzz]
[1:36] <nardev> Sonny_Jim, bu it has eMMC
[1:36] <nardev> not SD card on computing module
[1:38] <niston> boot jumpers not set correctly perhaps?
[1:38] <niston> (on CMIO board)
[1:41] <nardev> niston,
[1:41] <nardev> what is the right setup?
[1:41] <niston> lemme look it up
[1:41] <nardev> niston, i'm convinced that it's set ok
[1:41] <nardev> on disable
[1:41] <nardev> position
[1:41] <nardev> i did that after i
[1:42] <nardev> finished with coping image
[1:43] <nardev> niston, it just starts booting, i get "colors" screen and after a while i start getting that message
[1:43] <niston> seems like it doesn't see the eMMC
[1:43] <nardev> niston, ..
[1:43] <nardev> i have also
[1:43] <niston> "The Compute Module has a pin called EMMC_DISABLE_N which when shorted to GND will disable the eMMC, forcing BCM2835 to boot from USB. "
[1:44] <nardev> BKOPS_EN bit is not set
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[1:44] <niston> so J4 is "disable" ?
[1:44] <nardev> niston, yes
[1:44] <niston> nothing plugged into USB slave port?
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[1:45] <nardev> niston, no
[1:45] <niston> ok
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[1:46] <niston> so if you try to set "enable" on J4 and connect the slave port to your PC, can you access the eMMC?
[1:46] <niston> (through the PC)
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[1:46] <nardev> niston, yes and i see partitions and everything
[1:46] <niston> so the storage chip is not fubar'd
[1:46] <nardev> no
[1:47] <niston> now if I only could find out what the error -110 actually signifies
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[1:47] <niston> only thing I find is https://gitorious.org/trimslice-kernel/trimslice-kernel/source/16562c1ac18d7f949db2a9d889aa3cd2d9f4dc28:drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c
[1:47] <nardev> niston, https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/988887_737039963076701_7379028821143329774_n.jpg?oh=d0e4b9c86c35bdecc8df1a3ed7796176&oe=558E519C&__gda__=1435788400_bc2e3e4c61a4ca7fe64e194f7394625b
[1:47] <nardev> niston, https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11024713_737040249743339_3110469657715650677_n.jpg?oh=064d92c3746d63ea751832f80c7fd1de&oe=5548772F&__gda__=1434234437_be91bfc69b092d0024bddd3c48078548
[1:47] <nardev> that is the setup...
[1:47] <nardev> and the error i get
[1:47] <niston> aha
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[1:50] <niston> still fail to find anything on that error -110
[1:50] <niston> so not sure if the BKOPS_EN thing is either the likely cause of this, or just a result of something else going wrong
[1:50] <nardev> :(
[1:51] <niston> hmm aha
[1:51] <niston> mmc0: Card stuck in programming state! __mmc_switch
[1:51] <niston> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising MMC card
[1:51] <niston> mmc0: BKOPS_EN bit is not set
[1:51] <nardev> so.. i didn't copy the image propperly?
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[1:51] <niston> unlikely
[1:52] <nardev> so.. i didn't copy the image properly?
[1:52] <niston> seems to be a hardware problem
[1:52] <niston> perhaps the FETs on the CMIO that control the CM pin settings in relation to jumpers, usb connection state and GPIO reenable eMMC pin
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[1:53] <nardev> niston, is it fixable ?
[1:53] <niston> ESD perhaps? or accidentally connected something that is not a jumper cap to those jumpers by mistake ?
[1:53] <niston> fixable? I have no idea.
[1:54] <niston> you could try with another CMIO
[1:54] <niston> (as all of this diagnosis is just hopefully educated guesswork)
[1:55] <nardev> hmm
[1:55] <niston> interesting thread though
[1:55] <niston> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=100967&p=700209
[1:56] <niston> even more interesting http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=80846
[1:56] <niston> "The error is BKOMMC error-110 and keeps on looping. Doens't pass the boot."
[1:56] <nardev> i saw the second one
[1:56] <niston> exactly what you have isnt it
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[1:56] <niston> tried this?
[1:57] <niston> "Please use rpi-update to update you linux kernel and firmware from older revisions... You can do this on an attached raspberry pi and then rpiboot the CM and push the code across. To find the right commit hashes look at https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/commits/master | sudo rpi-update a171d730a2aa2a83601b778ba5028f026a25ff37"
[1:57] * Xark experiments with g++-4.8 on RPi2. Best results for me (testing on an assembler I wrote with 1MB input file) are with g++-4.8 -mcpu=cortex-a7 -mfpu=neon-vfpv4 -mthumb -std=c++11 -O3 -flto -static (like 28% faster than default Rasbian gcc with just -O2 [O3 fails]).
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[1:57] <nardev> niston, as far as i undestoon i should run that on rpi.. but i can't even boot
[1:58] <niston> run it on the PC you use to access the eMMC when plugged into usb slave port, yes
[1:59] <niston> flash the bootloader (or whatever it is) that works: "6th February: PASS => 93cb9a45741681987b207c68b63db7ab72b2a4cf"
[1:59] <niston> then retry booting from eMMC
[1:59] <niston> (the CMIO that is)
[1:59] <nardev> lets see
[1:59] <niston> so my initial diagnosis was utterly wrong :P
[2:00] <nardev> niston, sudo rpi-update a171d730a2aa2a83601b778ba5028f026a25ff37
[2:00] * Xark notes the mildly surprising thing is that using -mthumb (for Thumb2 ISA support) is both faster and smaller than the default 32-bit ARM ISA. :) -static is also a big help (but obviously makes executable larger).
[2:00] <nardev> i don't have rpi-update
[2:00] <nardev> and i got the repo
[2:01] <nardev> but nothing to build...
[2:01] <niston> interesting problem
[2:01] <niston> so you would be easier off with a raspi to flash the CMIO
[2:01] <niston> but, rpi-update doesn't run on linux pc?
[2:01] <nardev> niston, i don't understand you now :/
[2:01] <niston> can't try atm no linux machine ready
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[2:02] <niston> no pi either
[2:02] <nardev> niston, i have only what i have
[2:02] <nardev> GNU Debian
[2:02] <nardev> ...
[2:02] <nardev> i do have Linux
[2:02] <nardev> but no rpi-update
[2:02] <niston> try to get it from somewhere
[2:02] <niston> and see if it runs on the linux box
[2:03] <nardev> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[2:03] <niston> or if it will be stubborn and refuse to work on anything else
[2:03] <niston> than a raspi
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[2:03] <nardev> niston, oh i just ogt it
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[2:04] <niston> interesting though that -if this really IS the problem- you ended up with a firmware on a CMIO that has this apparent bug.
[2:04] <niston> when did you buy that CMIO?
[2:04] <nardev> jan
[2:04] <nardev> on ebay
[2:04] <niston> CMIO/CM combo I take it
[2:04] <nardev> from somebody
[2:04] <nardev> for 60$
[2:04] <nardev> and he was selling many
[2:04] <niston> you got both the module and the board in one package?
[2:05] <nardev> aha
[2:05] <niston> hah
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[2:05] <niston> maybe thats why they were selling it after all :D
[2:05] <nardev> :(
[2:05] <nardev> maybe...
[2:05] <niston> should be fixable though
[2:06] <niston> even without a soldering irion
[2:06] <niston> iron
[2:06] <niston> just need to flash a bootloader that works
[2:06] <nardev> i don't hesitate to solder but i don't know what...
[2:06] <niston> the thread has info on which hash has working verisons
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[2:06] <niston> rpi-update 93cb9a45741681987b207c68b63db7ab72b2a4cf
[2:07] <nardev> niston, i just exectuted that command
[2:07] <nardev> and
[2:07] <niston> try rpi-update --help
[2:07] <niston> see if you can tell rpi-update to just download or extract or put somewhere the binary
[2:07] <nardev> niston, http://pastebin.com/RSnUy9Rb
[2:08] <niston> lol
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[2:08] <niston> if you run it
[2:08] <niston> it says your firmware is already up to date?
[2:08] <niston> on the linux pc?
[2:08] <nardev> niston, there is no rpi-update --help
[2:08] <niston> gah
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[2:09] <nardev> niston, it's already up to date because it's second time i executed the command
[2:09] <nardev> first tiem it was downloading nad installing something
[2:09] <niston> hmm
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[2:11] <nardev> i just made a video
[2:11] <nardev> how it boots
[2:11] <nardev> actually how it tries to boot
[2:11] <niston> try flashing the image from http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2015-02-02/ onto the eMMC
[2:11] <niston> that should also fix it
[2:11] <niston> according to forum
[2:12] <nardev> niston,
[2:12] <nardev> oki
[2:12] <anunnaki> cehteh: ive used raspbmc but both times ended up in this "boot loop" and im using openelec atm and it doesnt stream video. i cant even install a meda server on it. or havent figured out how yet. still ahvent seen any addons for setting up a media server too
[2:13] <niston> boot loops seem to be popular these days
[2:14] <nardev> niston, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7K5gMPX77E
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[2:15] <stevenjames> supdoodz
[2:15] <nardev> niston, at 12s you can pause and read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7K5gMPX77E
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[2:17] <niston> yeah eMMC device does not become ready
[2:19] <nardev> niston, last hope
[2:19] <nardev> is the image that you said
[2:19] <nardev> from 31.jan
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[2:20] <anunnaki> yeah got boot loops within a day of using raspbmc twice on my pi b+. just got the pi, and installed raspbmc two different times and both ended up that way
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[2:22] <anunnaki> would use osmc but the wifi keeps dropping its connection so now im debating on installing pidora or raspbian .. and look into installing xbmc on it that way
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[2:27] <Criggie> http://www.nextcomputing.com/products/portable-workstations/radius Someone re-invented the luggable
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[2:27] <nardev> niston,
[2:27] <nardev> :D
[2:27] <nardev> it works
[2:27] <nardev> niston,
[2:27] <nardev> :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[2:29] <abnormal> Criggie, that's been around for decades
[2:29] <niston> nardev: strike :)
[2:30] <niston> glad you fixed it, buddy
[2:30] <nardev> niston, i thought only i'm crazy to be up at 2:30
[2:30] <niston> where you at?
[2:31] <niston> its also 2:30 am here so cant be that far
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[2:31] <nardev> bosnia
[2:31] <niston> right
[2:31] <niston> so whatcha gonna do with that CM of yours, now that it's working again?
[2:32] <nardev> niston, i want to test some rfid modules
[2:32] <nardev> and to see if i can attach easily ethernet
[2:32] <niston> could use an USB dongle
[2:32] <niston> for ethernet
[2:33] <nardev> niston, why.. in case i'm making a device...
[2:33] <niston> ah
[2:33] <niston> well use an USB LAN chip :)
[2:33] <niston> LAN7500 :>
[2:33] <nardev> i'm not very comfortable with rpi docs, very poor and i'm not the best
[2:33] <McBride36> always been interested in RFID
[2:33] <nardev> who makes LAN7500
[2:33] <niston> microchip
[2:34] <niston> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=LAN7500
[2:34] <niston> its a gigabit chip that supports wake on lan
[2:34] <nardev> niston, do you know what rpi b uses?
[2:34] <niston> LAN94something or some such
[2:34] <niston> that one has a built in USB hub
[2:34] <ozzzy> 9512?
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[2:35] <niston> 9512 will probably be it
[2:35] <nardev> niston, i never made something like this, i hope it will not be as hard..
[2:35] <niston> might prove tricky
[2:35] <niston> high speed signalling involved
[2:36] <niston> (ethernet and usb 2.0)
[2:36] <niston> needs impedance matched routing
[2:36] <niston> when you're doing a pcb
[2:36] <nardev> niston, thankfully i'll not need USB
[2:36] <niston> you do
[2:36] <niston> its the only way to attach something like ethernet
[2:36] <nardev> mmm
[2:36] <niston> (except if you are going to use one of those ethernet to serial modules and connect that to an UART)
[2:37] <niston> (but then you'll only have console access with poor security)
[2:37] <nardev> that is not an option then....
[2:37] <niston> there's one USB port that comes out of the CM
[2:37] * ozzzy wrote an enigma emulator in perl... it could be modified to encrypt a data stream =)
[2:37] <niston> you can use this
[2:37] <nardev> ROFL
[2:37] <niston> its "only" USB 2.0
[2:38] <nardev> it's complicated enough ..
[2:38] <niston> so it might be doable with some reading and a little bit of old fashioned trial and error
[2:38] <niston> (if you can etch PCBs yourself)
[2:38] <nardev> i don't want to even look further than LAN9512
[2:39] <niston> I mean the traces will be short
[2:39] <niston> going from CM to USB chip
[2:39] <niston> so a certain error margin will be permitted
[2:40] <niston> (I've seen really fubar'd USB wiring that somehow *still* worked)
[2:40] <nardev> niston, does microchip provide free samples of LAN9512??
[2:40] <niston> dunno
[2:40] <niston> probably
[2:40] <niston> maybe if you're a commercial buyer?
[2:40] <niston> check their site
[2:40] <niston> for info
[2:40] <niston> :)
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[2:41] <niston> http://www.microchip.com/samples/Default.aspx?DeviceFamily=LAN9512
[2:41] <niston> need to create an account
[2:41] <nardev> niston, AHH.. my country not on the list anyway :(
[2:42] <niston> know the feeling
[2:42] <niston> its not that expensive tho
[2:42] <nardev> niston, .. oh you don't .. it's like living in a cave..
[2:42] <niston> well
[2:42] <niston> I'm living in an ebay cave
[2:43] <niston> cus most car parts suppliers from germany
[2:43] <niston> do not ship to switzerland >=/
[2:43] <nardev> niston, what does an ebay cave in your life has to do with raspberry pi?
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[2:43] <niston> dunno. I get sidetracked easily :P
[2:45] <nardev> niston, few times i tricked the shipping if my country is not on the list
[2:45] <nardev> i put Croatia
[2:45] <nardev> but Sarajevo as a city
[2:45] <nardev> so when it comes to Croatia
[2:45] <nardev> they think it's "lost"
[2:45] <nardev> and redirect it to Bosnia :D
[2:45] <nardev> ;)
[2:45] <niston> heh
[2:46] <niston> back in highschool I had a classmate from Tusla
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[2:46] <nardev> LOL
[2:46] <nardev> yea.. Tuzla
[2:46] <nardev> was he the worst of all kids? :D
[2:46] <niston> nah he was alright
[2:47] <nardev> ah, it must be a mistake
[2:47] <nardev> LOL
[2:47] <niston> always trying to get laid and never succeding
[2:47] <nardev> hhaaahahahaahahaa
[2:47] <niston> he became quite frustrated after a while *g*
[2:48] <niston> smart guy though.
[2:48] <mitchtay> How do you say 'Hello' in Bosnian?
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[2:48] <nardev> mitchtay, many ways
[2:48] <nardev> ..
[2:48] <nardev> most people just say
[2:48] <nardev> as italians
[2:48] <nardev> Ćao
[2:48] <nardev> or "Zdravo"
[2:49] <mitchtay> Cao or Zdravo... thanks.
[2:49] <mitchtay> Would Zdravo be in cyrillic?
[2:49] <nardev> niston, interestingly enough most of football team in SW is from balkan LOL
[2:49] <mitchtay> i.e. Здраво?
[2:49] <nardev> you have Hajrovic younger playing for national team
[2:49] <nardev> :P
[2:49] <nardev> mitchtay, yes
[2:50] <mitchtay> nardev: awesome, cheers :)
[2:50] <nardev> yep, many ppl from balkan wen to NZ during and after the war
[2:51] <nardev> wondering who you want to "impress" with that :P
[2:51] <mitchtay> Me? Nobody really. I'm just curious about other languages.
[2:52] <nardev> mitchtay, there is one bosnian wuite interested in laguages
[2:52] <nardev> http://www.jewishjournal.com/jewrnalism/item/1_guy_60_languages_amazing_20120620
[2:52] <nardev> his latest count was 72 different languages
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[2:52] <nardev> LIving in Austria
[2:53] <anunnaki> has anyone put freebsd on their pis yet? just wondering if a lamp server is doable and use the GPIO pins
[2:53] <mitchtay> anunnaki: I've not done FreeBSD but I've played with NetBSD on the pi which worked really well.
[2:53] <mitchtay> anunnaki: I didn't play with GPIO at all though.
[2:54] <mitchtay> nardev: 72 is an impressive number of languages. I only know how to speak English.
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[2:54] <nardev> english is mj 3.
[2:54] <nardev> my
[2:55] <nardev> i wish i have more time
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[2:55] <nardev> i tried some German and franch
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[2:57] <mitchtay> Nice. I've tried to learn a few languages but never really got very far.
[2:57] <nardev> mitchtay, what are you trying?
[2:57] <nardev> now with
[2:57] <nardev> DCC chat?
[2:58] <mitchtay> Sure, probably a good idea.
[3:00] <nardev> niston,
[3:00] <nardev> Bill To:
[3:00] <nardev> Vedran Alajbegovic
[3:00] <nardev> Omladinskih Radnih Brigada 3
[3:00] <nardev> Sarajevo, Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina 71000
[3:00] <nardev> Croatia
[3:00] <nardev> LOL
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[3:22] <nardev> is there any ethernet module for computing module, that can be bought and attached directly without any additional chips?
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[3:49] <SpeedEvil> nardev: no
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> you can't
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[3:49] <niston> nardev, just get an USB ethernet dongle
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> More chips are required, the Pi compute module does not support ethernet at all
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[4:41] <elec64> Do Pi's fry easily?
[4:41] <elec64> e.g. if you give them a bad image
[4:41] <elec64> or something
[4:41] <elec64> difficulty getting my rpi2 to boot
[4:42] <Ullarah> Try a different power supply if you can elec64
[4:43] <elec64> Ullarah: pretty sure this came with the old pi, but 5.1 V, 1 A
[4:43] <Ullarah> 1A is too low.
[4:43] <elec64> is the output on this puppy
[4:44] <Ullarah> Needs at least 2A
[4:44] <elec64> k
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[4:48] <elec64> Ullarah: I'm guessing a computer port won't do 2 Amps
[4:48] <elec64> USB 3.0
[4:48] <elec64> looks like no
[4:49] <Ullarah> Well USB 3.0 can supply up to 5A, but that all depends on your motherboard supplying that much to the port.
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[5:08] <abnormal> elec64, no, each USB port on computer is limited to 500mA or one half amp each.
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[5:10] <elec64> abnormal: how about the 2A thing
[5:10] <elec64> do I need 2A or 1A for the RPi2
[5:10] <Ullarah> 2A
[5:11] <abnormal> usually 2 amp... get the one from www.adafruit.com
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[5:25] <anunnaki> mitchtay:isnt netbsd pretty similar to freebsd?
[5:25] <elec64> is the pi unable to natively handle ext4?
[5:27] <mitchtay> anunnaki: I'm not sure how similar they are. The only time I've used FreeBSD is via pfsense. But I imagine they're a bit similar but I'm unsure to what degree.
[5:27] <elec64> also why on earth is NOOBS resizing my partition
[5:27] <elec64> I already resized it with gparted.
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[5:29] <anunnaki> mitchtay: ill have to look into netbsd, didnt even think of that as a choice which might be
[5:30] <mitchtay> Is it resizing the partition or extending the filesystem?
[5:30] <elec64> I have no idea
[5:30] <elec64> I already made it the max size
[5:30] <elec64> it shouldn't be doing anything
[5:31] <elec64> it claims to be resizing it
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[5:32] <abnormal> noobs does that... when you choose an OS, then noobs makes two partitions, one as a recovery and one as the normal OS in use.
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[5:34] <elec64> k
[5:34] <elec64> and is fat32 a requirement to install other distros?
[5:34] <elec64> like if I wanted to roll my own and do linux from scratch
[5:34] <elec64> didn't seem like it was able to read the ext4 partition
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[5:40] <abnormal> well what are you plannig to install on the SC card?
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[5:43] <abnormal> If you just want one OS on the card, then you need to download the OS you choose from www.raspberrypi.org and put SC card in a computer and format the SC card then burn the image to card.
[5:44] <abnormal> Doing that, it will make the boot partition, OS partition, and working partition.
[5:44] <abnormal> then the whole SC card will be used.
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[5:46] <abnormal> If you use NOOBS, that will install whichever OS you choose and keep NOOBS in a separate partition called "recovery" while the installed OS has the 3 partitions to use the OS chosen.
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[5:47] <abnormal> That would be 4 partitions total. It won't hurt anything and "recovery" does not take up that much space.
[5:48] <elec64> abnormal: to give you a better idea, I bought a stack of 8 GB SD cards, I plan to install random stuff on them, I don't really want to be using NOOBS every time
[5:48] <elec64> a stack of 10 8 GB SD Cards*
[5:49] <elec64> Also, I'm fairly certain Linux From Scratch isn't on the website, its not even a proper distro
[5:49] <elec64> its a DIY distro
[5:49] <abnormal> ok then you want just the OS on each card... ok, then you will have to do it the download way to make that work.
[5:50] <elec64> sure, are there any gotchas I should be aware of?
[5:50] <abnormal> no matter which way you do it, they all need updates and upgrades after each installation.
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[5:50] <elec64> abnormal: and that's fine
[5:51] <elec64> just so long as I can boot from them
[5:51] <McBride36> what about just making an image and copying it to each SD card?
[5:51] <abnormal> yes. it's not that hard, just time consuming
[5:51] <abnormal> that won't work
[5:51] <elec64> that's why I ask about fat32, or if there's some other format I could be using
[5:51] <McBride36> dang
[5:52] <elec64> abnormal, McBride36, I'm pretty sure you could dd the whole partition to another sd card
[5:52] <abnormal> all the info is in the pi website, clearly documented. read it.
[5:52] <elec64> but that's not my goal
[5:52] <Xark> elec64: The Raspberry Pi "boot" partition must be FAT32 as that is the format used to read in the kernel from SD card (by GPU firmware). However, the Linux root partition doesn't have to be FAT32...
[5:54] <elec64> abnormal: first of all, the website isn't brimming with technical information, instead its geared towards first timers. Which is fine, but its not me...
[5:54] <elec64> abnormal: secondly I don't see anything about fat32 on there
[5:55] <abnormal> ok min...
[5:56] <elec64> Xark: does the R Pi have just BIOS or...
[5:56] <elec64> how is that handled
[5:56] <Xark> elec64: As I understand it the GPU has some code to read in an ARM kernel from SD FAT32 partition and jump to it (it is this firmware that draws the "rainbow" AFAIK).
[5:58] <abnormal> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
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[5:59] <abnormal> pi does not have a BIOS. that's why it has a special boot section on the SC card.
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[6:01] <abnormal> so does that link make it easier for you?
[6:03] <abnormal> a little more reading to do but will give you all the info of "why"
[6:04] <elec64> abnormal: that might be a good reference, but Xark is closer on the mark as to the info I'm looking for.
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[6:04] <elec64> I'm not sure which website to go to find his info though
[6:04] <abnormal> Xark, link for elec64 please?
[6:04] <elec64> Do I download the hardware specs or something and read through some source code?
[6:05] <Xark> abnormal: To do what?
[6:05] <abnormal> if you want to.
[6:05] <elec64> Xark: O
[6:05] <elec64> I'm curious as to where you found your information
[6:05] <Xark> elec64: Specifically what do you want to know?
[6:06] <Xark> elec64: Perhaps http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php?title=Understanding_RaspberryPi_Boot_Process ?
[6:06] <abnormal> is there a link in github that would help him?
[6:06] <elec64> That looks like a start, thanks. :)
[6:06] <Xark> elec64: This looks good too -> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10442/what-is-the-boot-sequence
[6:07] <Xark> abnormal: There are example bootable kernels with source (like for your own OS/bare metal), but not clear elec64 wants that...
[6:07] <abnormal> ahh good one, ty Xark
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[6:08] <elec64> Xark: that's the eventual progression
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[6:08] <elec64> My plan is to try another distro, say, Arch/Pidora, then move onto my own boot distro, then a Linux from Scratch, and eventuall to kernel stuff
[6:08] <elec64> the Arch/Pidora are more about making sure there are no gotchas
[6:08] <elec64> Not because I'm unconfident that I can do that.
[6:09] <Xark> elec64: Hmm, so more of a make your own Linux distro, than make your own OS.
[6:09] <Xark> elec64: http://www.intestinate.com/pilfs/ ?
[6:10] <elec64> Xark: I've done Co-op OS stuff in the past, and I'd be curious to try to load one of the OSes like FreeRTOS onto the Pi
[6:10] <elec64> So it could be my own OS stuff eventually, yeah.
[6:10] <elec64> Just want to ramp up.
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[6:11] <elec64> Bit difficult to find stuff on the website when its geared towards 10 year olds is all. thank you very much for the pointers.
[6:11] <Xark> elec64: Ok, so http://www.stevebate.net/chibios-rpi/GettingStarted.html or https://github.com/jameswalmsley/RaspberryPi-FreeRTOS (but FreeRTOS looks a bit "stale").
[6:12] <x1337807x> I want to connect 2 pis via identical bluetooth dongles - I can see the dongles with `hcitool dev` on both pis, they have identical mac addresses. I type `bluetooth-agent 1234` on one pi to wait for a connection, what do I type on the other to connect?
[6:13] <Xark> elec64: Also http://pebblebay.com/raspberry-pi-embedded/ and https://www.rtems.org/
[6:13] <x1337807x> `hcitool MAC:ADDRESS` yields "Device is not available"
[6:14] <elec64> Xark: Thanks. I'll report back with the most usefull info.
[6:14] <Xark> x1337807x: This is why identical MAC address are "bad". :)
[6:14] <x1337807x> Is this even something that's possible? Pairing 2 dongles to each other? I'm just trying to use them to detect proximity
[6:14] <x1337807x> I suspected that was the problem
[6:14] <x1337807x> So how do I change the mac address of a device?
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[6:15] <x1337807x> actually that's a bit more googleable than the other issue
[6:15] <x1337807x> I'll try changing the address and see if I'm still stuck
[6:15] <Xark> x1337807x: I suspect maker isn't paying Bluetooth people for legit IDs etc.
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[6:30] <Itsmewallis> Hello\
[6:32] <Itsmewallis> Perhaps one of you guys could help me with a small little issue regarding setting up a static IP?
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[6:34] <Xark> Perhaps...best if you ask your question to find out...
[6:34] <Itsmewallis> Oh sorry, yes.
[6:35] <steve_rox> havein fun?
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[6:35] <steve_rox> i make my router set it a pre defined ip
[6:35] <Itsmewallis> That didn't work for me
[6:35] <steve_rox> odd
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[6:36] <Itsmewallis> Basically I changed the interfaces file to use a static IP
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[6:36] <Xark> Itsmewallis: Here is some info that may help -> https://kerneldriver.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/configuring-wpa2-using-wpa_supplicant-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[6:37] <Itsmewallis> But when I rebooted, the pi couldn't connect to the network
[6:37] <Itsmewallis> And in the boot log, it shows that it's skipping my eth0 and wlan0
[6:38] <Xark> Itsmewallis: That link I just posted has something that sounds like a fix for that (to put in rc.local IIRC).
[6:38] <Itsmewallis> Okay, I'll check it out.
[6:38] <Itsmewallis> Thanks Xark
[6:40] * Xark is quite happy to find that ARM Perforce client works grat on RPi2 (handy for my free local Perforce depot). :D
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[6:43] <steve_rox> no idea what that does
[6:43] <Xark> steve_rox: Perforce?
[6:44] <steve_rox> ye
[6:45] <Xark> steve_rox: It is a version control system. Like git or Subversion (except commercial, but free for < 20 users - and pretty industrial strength [great with binary assets etc.]).
[6:45] <steve_rox> so its like using github thing
[6:45] <steve_rox> i cant word it right
[6:45] <Xark> steve_rox: Except you run the server (no website etc.)
[6:46] <Xark> steve_rox: So it is like git (not github). :)
[6:46] <steve_rox> ah so like tighter control over it maybe
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[6:47] <Xark> steve_rox: Well, you can run your own git or subversion server. Github just has a web interface.
[6:47] <steve_rox> wonder if anyones made anything significant with rpi2 yet
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[6:47] <steve_rox> performance useage wise
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[6:48] <Xark> steve_rox: Not sure, but it is now fast enough to be quasi-usable for real stuff. :)
[6:48] <steve_rox> what kinda real stuff
[6:49] <Xark> My assembler is only 10x slower than my 2.4GHz Intel box on my assembler test (per core). :) ~7 seconds on RPi2 .7 seconds on Core2Quad.
[6:50] <Xark> (I don't have the patience to compile it on RPi 1). :)
[6:50] <steve_rox> i can see that being handy
[6:50] <Xark> steve_rox: The GUI is pretty zippy now too (however, browser is still "crashy").
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[6:51] <steve_rox> which browser is that
[6:52] <steve_rox> the one word i cant spell or say too well?
[6:52] <Xark> steve_rox: Also, being ARMv7 you can run "normal" ARM binaries (like the p4 client I mentioned). I installed g++-4.8 and was able to get my app ~30% faster using newer compiler (and options targeting RPi2).
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[6:52] <steve_rox> i tryed to run mc server on rpi2
[6:52] <Xark> The one browser included. Ephiphinay (however it is spelled).
[6:53] <steve_rox> i dident really get any better performance
[6:53] <steve_rox> yea
[6:53] <Xark> steve_rox: Hmm, I have heard reports it is greatly improved for that...
[6:53] <Itsmewallis> steve_rox, I did too, same results
[6:53] <Itsmewallis> Not too good
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[6:53] <Itsmewallis> Maybe with the new pi it would run better...
[6:53] <steve_rox> i dident get stable results on rpi1
[6:54] <steve_rox> ppl could join
[6:54] <Itsmewallis> I got the B
[6:54] <Xark> If it was CPU limited (or memory), then RPi2 should totally help. If network, then not so much.
[6:54] <steve_rox> but every time it joined lag went insane as it uploaded the chunks
[6:54] <Ullarah> I'm running spigot in creative mode, with a distance view of 6. Runs fine with 8 people on.
[6:54] <Itsmewallis> Maybe a little OC wouldn't help
[6:54] <Itsmewallis> Would*
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[6:54] <steve_rox> only other thing i can think of is maybe the read write of sd ent good enough
[6:55] <Xark> Run from USB HDD in that case.
[6:55] <Ullarah> Just preload the chunks.
[6:55] <steve_rox> could use some speed test thing on read write io
[6:55] <Itsmewallis> Thats also a good possibility.
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[6:56] <Xark> steve_rox: AFAIK, RPi2 only helped SD speed slightly (other than providing a core so main app can often continue running).
[6:57] <Itsmewallis> xark thanks for the link but it didn't help
[6:57] <Itsmewallis> I'll keep trying tomorrow
[6:57] <steve_rox> my rpi2 is kinda sitting there idle at mo
[6:57] <Itsmewallis> I need some sleep
[6:57] <steve_rox> im near passing out too
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[6:57] <Xark> steve_rox: I see. Time for "shutdown -h now". :)
[6:57] <steve_rox> alough i did run err emulation on rpi2
[6:58] <steve_rox> sudo halt :-P
[6:58] <koyal13> which is the best firewall-distro to the rasp?
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[6:58] <koyal13> arch-arm it's ok?
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[7:00] <mortal> what is the best threading browser for pi
[7:00] <mortal> 2
[7:02] <cehteh> for what definition of best?
[7:03] <mortal> fastest
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[7:04] <cehteh> try epiphany
[7:05] <steve_rox> think that one uses gpu accelration
[7:05] <Xark> cehteh: When it works, not too bad, however, close for me on 90% of sites (e.g., Raspberry Pi home page, news.google.com etc.)
[7:05] <steve_rox> so it smoothter
[7:05] <Xark> closes*
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[7:06] * Xark notes closes = abrupt crash and window disappearance
[7:06] <cehteh> i didnt used it much, but mostly worked for me
[7:06] <steve_rox> fun
[7:06] <cehteh> firefox works too, but a bit slow
[7:07] <cehteh> chromium is available too, havent tested it
[7:07] <niston> in fact it just crashed on me. I was in teh middle of watching something!
[7:07] <niston> the firefox. bad firefox!
[7:08] <Xark> cehteh: Can you easily install either of those (on Raspian)?
[7:08] <cehteh> yes
[7:08] <cehteh> aptitude install firefox
[7:09] <Xark> Cool. Even if slow, not closing sounds like a plus. :)
[7:09] <cehteh> dunno about the not closing :D
[7:09] <cehteh> i beefed my rpi up with zswap, so memory is not that much a problem
[7:10] <cehteh> but only tried firefox once to see if it even works
[7:10] <Xark> cehteh: Hmm, firefox was not found, however iceweasel seems to be installing...
[7:11] <cehteh> yes
[7:11] <cehteh> sry forgotten that detail :)
[7:11] <Xark> NP. :)
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[7:13] <steve_rox> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
[7:13] <steve_rox> eek
[7:14] <steve_rox> i feel slep on keyboard sorry
[7:14] <steve_rox> :-P
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[7:15] * Xark "sudo halt"s steve_rox :)
[7:15] <cehteh> anyone of you have a 3.19 kernel running? i've build one with 3GB user /1GB kernel split .. that didnt worked well, kernel booted but userland seemed to be stuck, dunno if that config was the case, just trying 2/2 split now
[7:15] * Xark notes Iceweasel runs pretty nicely on RPi2. A bit sluggish, but usable (and renders nicely on several tricky sites I tested).
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[7:23] <Xark> cehteh: I am using the rpi-update kernel that has a 2/2 split I believe.
[7:23] <cehteh> yes thats default
[7:23] <cehteh> is that at 3.19 meanwhile?
[7:24] * Xark notices there is an update since his last update...
[7:24] <cehteh> mhm my /boot gets tight :D
[7:24] <Xark> 3.18.7...but perhaps updating to 3.19...
[7:24] <cehteh> too much kernels/initrds
[7:25] <cehteh> duh .. i reformatted the card today .. why did i forget to make it bigger
[7:25] <Xark> Nope, 3.18.8 now
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[7:29] <x1337807x> Xark: OK I'm still stuck. Managed to change the names and mac addresses of my 2 dongles so they are different. Still can't find a decent tutorial on connecting two bluetooth dongles to each other.
[7:29] <x1337807x> Any hints?
[7:29] <Xark> x1337807x: Sorry, I've not tried. Howeve, the BT module I have played with was pretty flaky for me (I think it was overheating).
[7:34] <cehteh> bt is pita
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[7:34] <cehteh> i am happy that my mouse works somewhat on the laptop, recent kernels had bugs there too
[7:35] <cehteh> anyone of you know a speech recognition system for simple commands as free software and not so complex as sphinx
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[8:21] <Foxhoundz> cehteh: why not use Google's API?
[8:22] <cehteh> because i dont want goole to have a microphone in our bedroom
[8:23] <Xark> Prude. :)
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[8:25] <cehteh> methinks some rather simple speech recognition for a few commands like "Light on/off" "What time is it" etc. shouldnt be too complicated
[8:26] <cehteh> doesnt need a language model, just train the exact sentence from the speaker, doesnt even need to be speaker agnostic (even better if its not)
[8:27] <cehteh> preprocess to remove noise, normalize, fft, fuzzy search ...
[8:27] <antoon> and afaik googles api isn't constant, you need to record, stop, send, etc
[8:28] <cehteh> of course because its extremely complicated and needs a shitload of resources to do generic voice recognition
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[8:28] <cehteh> i read somewhere, that each stream needs 2GB of ram for processing
[8:29] <antoon> i managed to run cmusphinx on a b+
[8:29] <cehteh> pocketsphinx?
[8:29] <antoon> it wasn't fast but, it managed to record and process it
[8:29] <antoon> aye
[8:30] <cehteh> its a bit pita to set up, way to complicated and resource intensive when one just want a few commands
[8:30] <cehteh> besides iirc the german language model isnt complete yet
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[8:46] <antoon> well, let me know if you find an easier one, cehteh :)
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[8:47] <antoon> I used googleapi first (which worked splendid), but I too want something that streams continously
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[8:51] <Xark> cehteh: I remember playing "Tic-Tac-Talker" on my Apple II with a microphone in the cassette tape port, so you would think RPi could also (it did require training though). :)
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[8:57] <poolson> anyone here have much experience with wiringpi ?
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[8:57] <antoon> only the PWM stuff
[8:58] <poolson> im trying to use an interrupt from a nrf24l01 module
[8:58] <poolson> but it doesnt work !
[8:58] <poolson> :D
[8:58] <antoon> Blasphemy!
[8:58] <antoon> :D
[8:58] <poolson> well its a bit confusing .. the way the pins are numbered
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[9:00] <poolson> some joker has some example where he is using pin 4 (bcm) which is pin 7 wiring pi
[9:00] <poolson> and uses "gpio" to set the pin
[9:00] <poolson> however when i use "gpio" i have to use pin 7
[9:00] <poolson> i.e. the pin wiring pi refers to it as
[9:00] <poolson> so much bullshit online !
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[9:02] <niston> probably an option/flag missing
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[9:05] <poolson> actually i read something about setting a mode or some such and gpio would use a particular numbering scheme
[9:06] <poolson> how is that set ?
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[9:08] <niston> The optional -g flag causes pin numbers to be interpreted as BCM_GPIO pin numbers rather than standard wiringPi pin numbers.
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[9:20] <poolson> yah
[9:20] <poolson> i found that reference again
[9:22] <poolson> so annoying
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[9:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> Hey
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[9:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> Will SANE run on rpi?
[9:38] <SirLagz> probably
[9:39] <TyrfingMjolnir> http://eduardoluis.com/raspberry-pi-and-usb-network-scanner/
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[9:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> With rpi2 can probably tesseract too
[9:40] <joachimhs> Is it possible to use a LM78M05 voltage regulator to power a raspberry pi 2 via gpio?
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[9:40] <SirLagz> joachimhs: sure
[9:41] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: it's gonna get stinking hot, better put a heatsink on it
[9:41] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: usually buck switchers are preferred, eg LM2596
[9:41] <joachimhs> I'm concerned about the 0.5A max output
[9:42] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: with linear regulators P=I×(Vin - Vout), so at 0.5A and 12v input it's gonna be dumping 3.5 watts of heat
[9:42] <joachimhs> Will they also get equally hot?
[9:42] <Xark> joachimhs: Hmm, yeah, you may want 1A version...
[9:43] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: the TO-220 package will hit 150c at about 2 watts, so it will explode if you don't put a heatsink
[9:43] <Xark> joachimhs: The RPi2 suggests 2A 5V USB (but it depends what USB devices used).
[9:43] <joachimhs> I have one of these (http://www.dx.com/p/l298n-stepper-motor-driver-controller-board-for-arduino-120542), which has an on-boar 78LM05
[9:43] <Triffid_Hunter> buck switcher (eg LM2596) is far more efficient, will run merely warm driving 0.5A
[9:43] <SirLagz> oh yeah, definitely get the 1A version if you want to use a linear reg
[9:43] <joachimhs> So far I've powered the Pi using a separate 5V battery
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[9:43] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: arduino takes rather less current than the rpi
[9:43] <joachimhs> Yeah
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[9:45] <joachimhs> Is suppose this one here will do: http://no.farnell.com/texas-instruments/lm2596t-5-0/switching-reg-3a-5-0v-2596-to/dp/1206529
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[9:47] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: you can get a handy LM2596 module from ebay for peanuts, chip is probably a fake but I use them at up to 1.5A without problems
[9:48] <joachimhs> Triffid_Hunter: Hm.. This one looks interesting http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KDQ24-DC-Step-Down-Converter-Module-LM2596-Voltage-Regulator-Led-Voltmeter-/201254559555?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item2edbb4df43
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[9:49] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: yeah that's the sort of thing I'm talking about
[9:49] <joachimhs> Or even this one, which is cheap but without a display: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LM2596S-DC-5V-36V-to-DC-1-5V-33V-Step-Down-Converter-Adjustable-Power-Module-/201296649469?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ede371cfd
[9:51] <Triffid_Hunter> joachimhs: or http://ebay.co.uk/itm/161419156290 which is the sort I have
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[9:52] <joachimhs> Triffid_Hunter: Hm. non-solder terminals would be nice, though :)
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[9:53] <Triffid_Hunter> sure, lots of options, and they're all better than a 7805 :P
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[9:53] <joachimhs> :)
[9:55] <joachimhs> Here's one closer to home: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LM2596-S-ADJ-DC-DC-Step-Down-Adjustable-Power-Supply-2596-Module-UK-SELLER-D03-/321503869726?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4adb1fbb1e (London)
[9:55] <Xark> Triffid_Hunter: I remember making power supplies in the late 70s with 7805 (TO-3 on heatsink with huge transformer and capacitors the size of soda cans). :) Things have advanced a bit...
[9:56] <nardev> is there any ethernet module for computing module, that can be bought and attached directly without any additional chips? USB dongle is not an option, i need it to be part of the device
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[10:00] <joachimhs> Haivng an 10V battery pack (8xAA rechargeable) that will power the Pi and an L298N motor controller. I can paralell-wire the L298N and the LM2596 to get both the PI and the motors powered?
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[10:41] <day> Xark: have they? were switching psus non existant back then?
[10:42] <Xark> day: I never saw them until Apple II (and I think it was one of the first to mass market switching PS).
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[10:42] <Xark> day: Yeah, patented 1976, used 1977 in Apple II -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply
[10:43] <day> Xark: wow. it seems like such an obvious technique to reduce heat. And it doesnt even require modern parts. One could do it with vacuum tubes :/
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[10:52] <DoctorD90> good morning! it is there GordonDrogon? i'd ask him to a link to his wiring pi page if it'd be possible
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[10:53] <ShorTie> like wiringPi.com ??
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[10:54] <DoctorD90> yes....it is a version of wiring pi in another language....even if it is not a real wiringPi port
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[10:57] <Davespice> morning
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[11:07] <cahbtexhuk> yallow all
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[11:07] <cahbtexhuk> anyone wants a dead raspberry pi for spares?
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[11:09] <DoctorD90> dead rpi?
[11:09] <DoctorD90> and for wht? 0o
[11:10] <cahbtexhuk> for spares
[11:10] <cahbtexhuk> it just feels very wrong to throw it to the bin ):
[11:11] <DoctorD90> why it is dead? XD
[11:13] <avrdude> It would be really great to get the layout of the pi. I want to make a shield, and want exact dimensions
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[11:15] <avrdude> specifically rpi 2
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[11:18] <cahbtexhuk> is it really that hard to google it?
[11:18] <cahbtexhuk> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=raspberry+pi+2+dimensions&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=919&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4Dj0VIKDB5G4aY6agdgH&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg
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[11:20] <avrdude> did you even look at what you pasted?
[11:20] <avrdude> where among those images do i see the pcb layout?
[11:23] <ShorTie> they call them hats not shields
[11:23] <thescatman_> avrdude, Physically the Raspberry Pi 2 also has the same dimensions as the B+.
[11:24] <thescatman_> https://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/018/729/medium800/raspberry_pi_mechanicalspecB_.png?1407776734
[11:24] <ShorTie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/introducing-raspberry-pi-hats/
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[11:46] <avrdude> ShorTie: the HAT thing is very nice.
[11:47] <avrdude> any recommendations on what header to use?
[11:47] <ShorTie> Thank the foundation, i'm just the google middle man, lol.
[11:47] <ShorTie> for ??
[11:47] <avrdude> i'm guessing a standard 2x20 female smd mounted would do
[11:48] <avrdude> for connecting to the pi, underneath the hat
[11:48] <avrdude> i only see mechanical standards for it
[11:48] <ShorTie> would go smd there, i'd go thru hole with extra length pins
[11:48] <avrdude> what?
[11:48] <ShorTie> s/would/wouldn't/
[11:49] <avrdude> but i would like to extend the gpio on top
[11:49] <avrdude> so i would need smd on both sides
[11:49] <ShorTie> if you don't use extra length pins, your capping the pi off at your hat
[11:50] <avrdude> aaahhhhh... of course.. the same pins can just extend to the other side
[11:50] <avrdude> i guess that works fine
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[11:50] <ShorTie> like it shows here, http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/HAT-longpins.jpg
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[11:54] <zylinx> can anyone else install openelec addons at the moment ?
[11:55] <avrdude> ShorTie: wut.. those are smd mounted
[11:56] <ShorTie> how is that header a smd ?? smd == surface-mount device
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[11:56] <zylinx> header is through hole :p
[12:00] <zylinx> i just installed a freshly downloaded and checksum verified openelec image on my pi2. and all works beautifully except none of the add-ons will install :(
[12:00] <cahbtexhuk> avrdude, yes I looked at what I've pasted
[12:00] <cahbtexhuk> and that's what I've used, when I needed to design a shield and a case
[12:01] <ShorTie> you might want to ask in #openelec as well
[12:01] <zylinx> thanks ShorTie
[12:02] <avrdude> ShorTie: look at the pic man
[12:02] <avrdude> you can see the solder pads..
[12:02] <avrdude> how is that not a surface mount?
[12:03] <avrdude> oh ok, i think i understand now. its only the black housing that is mounted on top
[12:03] <avrdude> and the pins are through hole
[12:03] <avrdude> ok
[12:03] <avrdude> but thats not too obvious from the pic, man
[12:04] <ShorTie> ok, didn't really look at it much, but for structural strenth i'd use thru hole
[12:05] <ShorTie> guess i just figured the same for them too
[12:05] <ShorTie> seems to me it be easier to make a board too
[12:05] <ShorTie> but what do i know
[12:05] <avrdude> what do you mean?
[12:07] <ShorTie> about ??
[12:08] <Bhaal> So... When will a 20MP Pi camera come out? :)
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[12:11] <thescatman_> why do you need one? O.o
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[12:12] <ShorTie> current camera fits most needs, so don't see it happening any time soon
[12:12] <thescatman_> if not, can't you just use a high end webcam
[12:13] <thescatman_> i mean http://www.onedirect.co.uk/logitech/logitech-c930e-webcam?LGWCODE=LOC930;55331;2389&gclid=Cj0KEQiAsdCnBRC86PeFkuDJt_MBEiQAUXJfLfvgyEjrWT2nzhRE5TTcwnDggnzn0wpRC-DMQGMYjO4aAj8a8P8HAQ is 15MP
[12:14] * ShorTie thinkz, a rpi3 would be more profitable anyways
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[12:17] <thescatman_> ShorTie, I'd like a total redesign of the pi 2 for the pi 3, as in a cortex-a15 or something and gigabit ethernet, etc. but then you'd lose the pi xD
[12:18] <thescatman_> might as well get a banana pi, although I don't know much about it tbh
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[12:19] <DoctorD90> guys...may i ask you an help? ....i would like to catch the input fom an old joystick (2 buttons), and it is a ltp or com port...how can i map it signals?
[12:21] <chithead> is it an old amiga/c64 joystick with 9-pin d-sub connector? there are usb adapters for those
[12:21] <ShorTie> have a l@@k see here, it might help https://projects.drogon.net/nes-controller-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[12:22] <chithead> also here if you don't mind some soldering http://blog.thestateofme.com/2012/08/10/raspberry-pi-gpio-joystick/
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[12:28] <DoctorD90> he! maybe i gotcha! what i need is the pin out of controller :D
[12:28] <DoctorD90> something like this: http://old.pinouts.ru/Inputs/JoystickAtari2600_pinout.shtml :D
[12:29] <DoctorD90> (so probably i'd need to take joytick from my garage and check for "pinout" form internet....without to try to reversering engineering it :P
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[12:29] <fiddlinmacx> Exactly DoctorD90. I had some success awhile ago with a similar joystick using GPIO.
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[12:30] <ShorTie> ohm meter and pencil might be the best pin layout diagram
[12:30] <DoctorD90> i would make a quadcopter.....but instead to control from tablet button on screen, i was thinking to make a more funny thing creating a joystick :D
[12:30] <fiddlinmacx> You'll need to know the common first, wouldn't you?
[12:30] <DoctorD90> ShorTie, ohm meter and PENCIL?? 0o what do yu mean with pencil?
[12:30] <fiddlinmacx> He means write it down.
[12:31] <DoctorD90> fiddlinmacx, what is common?
[12:31] <DoctorD90> ah
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[12:31] <ShorTie> pencil has oops button, when pen doesn't .. :)~
[12:31] <DoctorD90> but at this point i dont know the voltage/grnd pins :P for this i was thinking to reversering engineering the pinout :P
[12:32] <fiddlinmacx> There will have to be a connection made between a common pin and one of the others when the joystick is moved. You should be able to figure out which one that is without much trouble.
[12:33] <fiddlinmacx> That's what the ohm meter would be useful for.
[12:35] <DoctorD90> fiddlinmacx, do you mean connect 2 pins, and make actions on joystick? so that i may map the pins that are used for it?
[12:35] <DoctorD90> rigth?
[12:35] <fiddlinmacx> Yes.
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[12:37] <fiddlinmacx> You'll want to verify any pinout you find online anyway.
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[12:37] <DoctorD90> uhm...if i can do this, i'd can make possible use a more "evoluted" joystick that i have too...
[12:37] <DoctorD90> and of which i remeber the name :P
[12:37] <DoctorD90> SideWinder Precision Pro
[12:38] <DoctorD90> maybe someone may has yet done a sort of driver :P
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[12:44] <zylinx> if anyone comes here and says they cant install openelec or kodi add-ons, its because the mirror server is down
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[13:08] <avrdude> can someone explain the HAT thing?
[13:08] <ShorTie> as in ??
[13:08] <avrdude> if i make a HAT, i should have some chip on it that is used by the pi to identify the HAT?
[13:08] <avrdude> im not sure what an ID EEPROM is
[13:09] <ShorTie> i would think it depends on the complexity of your hat
[13:10] <ShorTie> if it is sumfin simple, don't think you need all that
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[13:11] <ShorTie> but more complex one's like the wolfson audio card, i think they need it
[13:12] <avrdude> yea, i dont intend to release my hat to the public anyway, but it would be nice to just do it properly..
[13:12] <avrdude> (who knows, it might be release)
[13:12] <avrdude> its a fairly simple hat, it will be a CAN-bus interface, that talks to the pi through spi
[13:13] <ShorTie> a 'ID EEPROM' is just a 'hey system this is who i am and what i do' type thing i think
[13:13] <avrdude> so, it's just a standalone IC that has 2 pins connected to the pi?
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[13:14] <ShorTie> usb devices have them i believe, to load drivers and stuff
[13:14] <ShorTie> oh, i'm not truely sure on all that
[13:15] <ShorTie> probily depends on how it's designed if it is a simple chip or embedded into sumfin much more
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[15:43] <G1eb> halp, im trying to ssh to my pi, keep getting "connection refused" message =/
[15:43] <G1eb> who is refusing my connection?
[15:44] <cahbtexhuk> pi
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[15:45] <cahbtexhuk> are you sure you're connecting to the right device?
[15:45] <G1eb> yeh, i've set the ip manually
[15:47] <Tachyon`> anyone tried the emulationstation c64 emulator with a USB controller, for some reason I have to use the right analogue stick and button 4 in games, which is... not optimal
[15:48] <Tachyon`> it's vice by the looks of it, works really well on my old pi, even loads .TAP files and G64 images
[15:49] <Tachyon`> G1eb, are you sure sshd is running...
[15:49] <Tachyon`> can you telnet localhost 22 on pi itself to check or w/e
[15:50] <G1eb> yeah, ping works
[15:50] * Tachyon` eblinks
[15:50] <Tachyon`> how would that test if the service is running?
[15:51] <shiftplusone> nmap \O/
[15:51] <G1eb> hm, let me try that
[15:51] <Tachyon`> lol
[15:51] * Tachyon` suddenly realises the pi probably doesn't have telnet by default
[15:51] <Tachyon`> try just ssh pi@localhost
[15:51] <Tachyon`> it'll either say connection refused if it's not wroking
[15:52] <Tachyon`> or ask for a pssword if it is
[15:52] <shiftplusone> telnet? D=
[15:52] <Tachyon`> yeah, what can I say, I've been using unix systems a /long/ time -.-
[15:52] <shiftplusone> nmap -p 22 --open -sV IP
[15:52] <Tachyon`> nmap isn't on by default either
[15:52] <shiftplusone> better yet, scan the network... nmap -p 22 --open -sV
[15:52] <Tachyon`> ssh is afaik
[15:52] <Tachyon`> he's not getting connection timeout, he's getting connection refused
[15:52] <G1eb> Starting Nmap 6.47 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-03-02 15:52 CET
[15:52] <G1eb> Service detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://nmap.org/submit/ .
[15:53] <G1eb> Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.40 seconds
[15:53] <G1eb> so that worked
[15:53] <Tachyon`> which suggests he has a valid IP but there's no sshd on it
[15:53] <shiftplusone> G1eb, doesn't look like it did
[15:53] <G1eb> wut
[15:53] <shiftplusone> I don't think you have ssh running...
[15:53] <shiftplusone> how did you install the OS and what OS is it?
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[15:54] <G1eb> ehm :) asking the relevant questions
[15:54] <shiftplusone> G1eb, that output just says that the IP was scanned, not that the open port was found.
[15:54] <McBride36> did you enable ssh
[15:54] <McBride36> in the config
[15:54] <G1eb> yea
[15:55] <G1eb> this setup worked last week, Im just using a different cable now
[15:55] <shiftplusone> If it's a sensible OS, ssh should've been on already. If you're running something like raspbmc... then that's something you should mention.
[15:55] <G1eb> its basic raspbian, and I havent done anything funky with users
[15:55] <cahbtexhuk> cable shouldn't matter
[15:55] <Ryzari> service sshd restart ?
[15:55] <shiftplusone> well, service sshd status would be a good starting point
[15:55] <cahbtexhuk> dude doesn't have access to rpi - how can he check sshd?
[15:56] <Ryzari> he doiesn't have access to ssh.. i would assume he's workjing directly on the pi to test commands..
[15:56] <cahbtexhuk> or from another machine
[15:56] <shiftplusone> get access... connect a keyboard, use serial... whatever.
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[15:56] <G1eb> yeah I guess connecting hdmi would help debuggin this :P
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[15:59] <G1eb> thanks guys, I'll let you know if I fugured it out later
[15:59] <shiftplusone> I don't remember the command (should be arp with some flags), but it might be worthwhile checking that you're actually talking to the pi and not some other device (the mac address will tell you that)
[15:59] <G1eb> hmm
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[16:07] <Ryzari> you said you manually set the ip. sure ya set it right, along with proper subnet mask?
[16:08] <Ryzari> though if that were wrong, it'd likely timeout, and not refuse, unless the ip you were trying pointed to a diff machine
[16:09] <Ryzari> if ya run dhcp on your network, and manually set the ip within it's range, you might have a conflict if something else already had it
[16:10] <strobelight> yes, static IPs should be outside the range of IPs dhcp will dole out
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[16:18] <DoctorD90> guys, belong to you, i can use this on raspbian? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gamepad#Playstation_3_Controllers_via_USB
[16:18] <DoctorD90> or i will find it only for archlinux?
[16:20] <shiftplusone> if it works on arm, it will work in raspbian.
[16:20] <Ryzari> http://www.raspians.com/Knowledgebase/ps3-dualshock-controller-install-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[16:21] <Ryzari> just make sure ya have the dependencies and it'll work
[16:21] <Ryzari> and a bt adapter that gets recognized
[16:21] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, i do not know :P im from windows, i have seen my ps3 controller on table and i think to use it instead of my Sidewinder joystick :P
[16:21] <Ryzari> well, if ya want usb, don't worry bout the adapter
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[16:22] <DoctorD90> i have a bt adapter keys.....i have jut to check if it works :P but i think yes
[16:22] <Ryzari> i have an ancient adapter that's BT 1 from an old soyo bt headset, worked fine
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[16:23] <Ryzari> only issue I've ran into is the controller not getting charged by the pi through usb
[16:26] <DoctorD90> Ryzari, can i set some command for each button?
[16:26] <willmore> shiftplusone, I looked into the Fedex Collect service, FYI. Turns out it's not a 'ship to somewhere, then go pick it up'. It's a 'pay for the shipment directly with my shipping account instead of the senders shipping account.'
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[16:26] <willmore> It's for businesses and such, not for cheap hobbiests. :(
[16:26] <shiftplusone> agh
[16:26] <Ryzari> DoctorD90, I've only used it for emulation, so map with retroarch.. don't know how ya would map for OS interaction
[16:26] <Ryzari> I'm sure you probably can
[16:27] <shiftplusone> they should name it something more sensible then.
[16:27] <DoctorD90> how is not very important :P my need is to interact with my (to build) program to controll a quadcopter :P
[16:28] <DoctorD90> it would be much easier to control with ps3 controller :D so i can use the bt function too :D
[16:28] <Ryzari> i'm sure ya could, but that's way beyond my meager abilities .. long as you can map the button presses to something with some kind of code
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[16:29] <willmore> shiftplusone, agreed. ;(
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[16:31] <DoctorD90> Ryzari, many thx of this tip :D once i will get finally my spare time, i can start to build all it up :D
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[16:32] <Ryzari> one thing to remember, if you're building a flying machine.. range of BT isn't too great
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[16:33] <DoctorD90> Ryzari, for this my little fly assistent program will have an auto "back" function :D or a pre-definied-fly-road :D
[16:33] <IT_Sean> Um... D'uh.
[16:33] <zozo> I'm new here. First time join. Sorry for butting in. @willmore: I have used this: http://www.fedex.com/us/services/hold_at_location_overview.html
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[16:35] * ShorTie wonders, range of BT isn't too great ??
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[16:35] <djazz> ShorTie: depends on what hardware you use
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[16:36] <djazz> i have a dongle rated 100m but you need another 100m dongle to achive that range
[16:36] <ShorTie> ya, like antenea
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[16:37] <Ryzari> he's looking to use a ps3 controller.. you're talking maybe 30-40ft
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[16:39] <ShorTie> oh, Blue Tooth, sorry was having a metal lapse on BT meaning
[16:41] <DoctorD90> 30-40ft??...let's translate in meters....google to me!
[16:41] <thescatman_> ~15
[16:41] <DoctorD90> 12 m?? Q:Q
[16:41] <DoctorD90> loool xD is very very low xD
[16:41] <thescatman_> close enough lol
[16:41] <muriani> yeah, BT was never meant to be long range.
[16:41] <muriani> it's a personal area network
[16:42] <zozo> Yeah, meant for like a printer you're in the same room with.
[16:42] <DoctorD90> i cant use it to go to trhow garbage >.>
[16:42] <muriani> from phone to headset, or to car stereo, etc
[16:42] <Ryzari> well, it's rated like 30-40m, but real world you won't get that far
[16:42] <DoctorD90> and wifi more or less how much in average?
[16:42] <muriani> It's really for stuff a few feet away
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[16:44] <RoBo_V> hey guys can anyone suggest good cheap touch screen for RPi B+
[16:44] <Ryzari> depends on how big ya want it
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[16:45] <RoBo_V> not that big, 2.5" to 4"
[16:46] <zozo> The problem with wifi is even if you get a couple hundred feet unobstructed, using it to control flying machine with spinning blades that could crash into humans could be a world of liability. I would be hesitant to use for control signals.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> Adafruit has several options in that size range
[16:46] <IT_Sean> RoBo_V: ^
[16:46] <djazz> RoBo_V: this maybe https://www.adafruit.com/product/2097
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[16:46] <RoBo_V> adafruit ships world wide ?
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> It is very, very easy - with exactly the wrong pointing - to get a signal attenuated by 40dB
[16:47] <djazz> RoBo_V: they have distributors, check for ones in your region/country
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Giving 1/100th of the normal range
[16:47] <IT_Sean> that ^
[16:47] <zozo> Phantom Vision 2 uses some kind of wifi booster to get more range but they only use wifi for video signals, not control AFAIK.
[16:47] <SpeedEvil> Even without obstructions
[16:47] <RoBo_V> ok ty IT_Sean djazz
[16:48] <IT_Sean> No problem, RoBo_V. You will see an invoice from me in 2 - 3 weeks.
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[16:49] <DoctorD90> zozo what do you mean?
[16:49] <zozo> Baout Vision 2?
[16:49] <zozo> about
[16:50] <DoctorD90> no your previous sentece
[16:50] <DoctorD90> sentence*
[16:50] <zozo> I meant I would be concerned about using wifi to control a quadracopter due to crashing into humans,
[16:50] <DoctorD90> eh, but why?
[16:51] <DoctorD90> or better, why it has to crash?
[16:51] <zozo> Maybe paranoia... :)
[16:51] <DoctorD90> lol
[16:51] <cehteh> because its a phantom :)
[16:51] <Ryzari> you'll crash it
[16:51] <Ryzari> eventually they all crash
[16:51] <ShorTie> crashing seems unproductive to me
[16:51] <zozo> Obviously you never seen me fly quad.
[16:51] <DoctorD90> nono, my program will be realized to sto if it doesnt get signal
[16:51] <RoBo_V> haha lol IT_Sean what kind
[16:52] <DoctorD90> so if i lost signal it will stop in the air
[16:52] <cehteh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va2hQhweeTE that is how you fly quads
[16:52] <ShorTie> of course i should talk, i've have rekitted a few planes in my day too...
[16:52] <DoctorD90> and at a certain low battery level, if he hasnt more signal, come back to home :D
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[16:53] <DoctorD90> wtf xD
[16:53] <zozo> I think that Phantom implements a plan similar to your approach, Doc.
[16:53] <DoctorD90> it is an alien pod xD
[16:53] <DoctorD90> phantom?
[16:54] <zozo> Phantom 2 Vision Plus v3, I think is the current.
[16:54] <DoctorD90> it is the quad model name?
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[16:55] <zozo> Yes, model name.
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[16:55] <zozo> Check: http://www.dji.com/products/compare-phantom
[16:56] <DoctorD90> ah! that's one! i have yet seen :D
[16:56] <DoctorD90> but this is for video.....
[16:56] <DoctorD90> your video is for racing quad xD
[16:57] <zozo> Correct, I think it uses wifi for video and 2.4/5.8GHz to control quad.
[16:58] <ShorTie> quad-choppers are easy to fly really
[16:58] <ShorTie> just 2 tricks to remember
[16:58] <cehteh> autolevel and full throttle :)
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[16:58] <cehteh> there is always free space above
[16:59] <RoBo_V> getting ready for flying https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2xuA6lThnraSW5zbzhta1kyQnM/view?usp=sharing :)
[16:59] <ShorTie> 1.) turn on and set on level ground (like drop on floor) as fast as posible so the gyro knows level right
[16:59] <zozo> Wow that video is amazing cehteh.
[16:59] <ShorTie> 2.) get some altitude, 3" hover is the hardest
[16:59] <cehteh> isnt mine, my quad is a bit slower :D
[17:00] <cehteh> (still the fastest around here i think :D)
[17:01] <zozo> Same here, a great big bit slower. I have a X3D from Germany - they were pretty cool about 4 or 5 years ago.
[17:01] <cehteh> .. but phantoms .. lemme lol :D
[17:01] <zozo> You no like the Phantoms? Glad I didn't buy one when they were on sale the oher day. !!
[17:01] <cehteh> they are overprized trash
[17:01] <DoctorD90> guys, if i purchase camera-pi i can se it to see what rpi sees?
[17:02] <DoctorD90> it has a bad resolution, slow communication speed?
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[17:02] <cehteh> if you want to hoover a gopro, mmkay .. except still overprized trash
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[17:03] <ozzzy_> all that stuff is just more 'toys for fanbois'
[17:03] <zozo> I've never got to play with one. They look great in the ads. LOL
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[17:03] * cehteh builds his copters by himself .. even the props
[17:04] <cehteh> only crash what you can repair/rebuild
[17:04] <zozo> Yeah, found that out trying to learn to fly helis.
[17:05] <zozo> Quads easier.
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[17:05] <DoctorD90> but with a pi-camera i have a "good" video streaming?
[17:05] <IT_Sean> was that a question?
[17:05] <willmore> zozo, I don't have any problem with Fedex deliveries. What shiftplusone and I were hoping for was a cheaper shipping method than MCM electronics normally charges. $10 is a bit steep for an rpi.
[17:05] <DoctorD90> or it is just for photo? XD
[17:06] <IT_Sean> you can use it for video as well.
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[17:06] <ozzzy_> one of the military pilots I knew said 'if you can drink a beer while balancing a piece of cut-off broom handle on another piece of cut off broom handle while tapping your feet to the music you can fly a helicopter
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[17:06] <IT_Sean> I'm not sure how accurate that is.
[17:07] <IT_Sean> I can't balance a broom handle on anotehr broom handel while drinking a beer and keeping time to music, but i CAN fly a helocopter.
[17:07] <zozo> OK, sorry willmore, I thought you were trying to "ship to" a non-home location.
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[17:07] <cehteh> some heli pilots who fly models as well say flying a real heli is easier
[17:07] <IT_Sean> Wouldn't know... never flown a model.
[17:07] <cehteh> because you feel the attitude better and more mass, more stability
[17:07] <DoctorD90> being at this video it seems good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-lBXv8D7Ds
[17:08] <IT_Sean> I can see how that'd be true though.
[17:08] <McBride36> i flew my new quad this weekend. that wasn't easy
[17:08] <zozo> I always like the comparison of balancing a marble on a plate. I have heard the bigger the heli, easier, due to stability.
[17:08] <cehteh> i guess at some point its like riding a bicycle, it makes click and you can do it with your spine
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[17:12] <IT_Sean> something like that, i suppose.
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[17:13] <DoctorD90> i would not do anything...i want learn to program ho w to do stuff....i will have only to say: go ahead, and it has to know how accomplish that :P
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[17:14] * ozzzy_ can hover a Kiawa
[17:15] <ozzzy_> that's as far as I got LOL
[17:15] <willmore> zozo, no worries! Thanks for chipping in.
[17:16] <willmore> Not having the physical feedback from being in the device would make things harder for me. The difference between driving games and actual driving is huge in that regard.
[17:16] <IT_Sean> ^
[17:16] <IT_Sean> Wot 'e said
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[17:18] <ozzzy_> yep... simulators aren't much like real life
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[17:19] <willmore> Even if they simulate the situation perfectly, you don't have all that inner ear feedback, the vibration in your butt, etc.
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[17:19] <shiftplusone> O_o
[17:19] <ozzzy_> ummm.... I dunno about vibrating butts
[17:20] <DoctorD90> xD
[17:20] <IT_Sean> oooooooohkay guys
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[17:23] <willmore> I think I'm going to go for a drive, now. :)
[17:24] <DoctorD90> willmore, the quad?
[17:24] <willmore> Ugg, MCM chages $10 S&H on a $35 rpi2. That wouldn't be too bad if it were for two, because that brings the price down below my $40/each pain point. But, they up shipping to $16 for two. That's crazy high shipping.
[17:25] <willmore> DoctorD90, I could. I have two of them. They're fun. :) I will agree that the bigger the more stable. At least my tiny one is very twitchey.
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[17:26] <DoctorD90> eh...it is physic unfortunatly xD
[17:26] <willmore> shiftplusone, I did find a good deal on an odroid-c1. :) Only $43 shipped.
[17:27] <willmore> Physics, rather, DoctorD90?
[17:27] <Ryzari> not near any microcenters
[17:27] <Ryzari> ?
[17:27] <willmore> Ryzari, sadly, no.
[17:27] <willmore> I'm waiting for Fry's to carry it. There's one of those just over a mile away from me.
[17:27] <DoctorD90> yes willmore :P i thik it is the rigth spelling :D
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[17:29] <willmore> I want a Pi shipped to me (or nearby where I can pick it up) for $40 or less. :) Businesses, compete! *silence*
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Not gonna happen. You are gonna have to pay for shipping.
[17:30] <willmore> That's got $5 for shipping built in.
[17:30] <IT_Sean> You aren't gonna get it shipped for $5.
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> I can ship it airmail for that.
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[17:30] <willmore> I got a C1 shipped for $5.95 That's close. :)
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> I can even use a bubble-mailer.
[17:31] <willmore> Everyone loves bubbles!
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> It's fairly likely to get there intact.
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[17:31] <willmore> Hard to beat 'fairly likely'. :)
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> I once got two 1.8m long glass tubes shipped to me in three layers of bubble-wrap.
[17:32] <willmore> I buy stuff from China (to cental USA) that's only shipped in a bubble pack all the time and I've had good luck.
[17:32] <willmore> Holy cow!
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> They did not arrive in one bit.
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> The seller tried to claim this was 'industry standard'
[17:32] <willmore> Unless they melted them, how could they have?
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> I shipped them back in a 30cm cube, for a refund
[17:33] <willmore> :)
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[18:10] <cehteh> ok f2fs seems not bulletproof yet, got some trashed files when the pi crashed on kernel build
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[18:11] <shiftplusone> because it's most likely not a filsesystem problem at all. I can reset my pi with an ext4 filesystem all day without losing anything.
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[18:11] <cehteh> well then it is a filesystem problem?
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[18:12] <cehteh> besides i get kernel log warnings
[18:12] <cehteh> [ 5245.141980] WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 2192 at fs/f2fs/f2fs.h:955 f2fs_write_end+0x160/0x218()
[18:12] <cehteh> etc
[18:12] <cehteh> so something is not right there
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[18:13] <shiftplusone> ah I thought you were saying that you were having such problems, switched to f2fs in hopes that they would go away and they didn't.
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[18:14] <cehteh> nope i am testing f2fs, ext4 was fine
[18:14] <cehteh> brtfs seemed to be fine to, but i trust it even less than f2fs yet :)
[18:15] <cehteh> also btrfs has some high cpu load
[18:15] <cehteh> ok kernel installed. lets see if it boots :)
[18:15] <shiftplusone> interesting
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[18:17] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, but win10 for rpi will be free?
[18:17] <cehteh> .. no does not boot :/
[18:18] <shiftplusone> for developers, yes. All the info is on windowsondevices.com.
[18:18] <cehteh> err install error
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[18:20] <DoctorD90> thx
[18:22] <cehteh> yay .. boots now
[18:22] <cehteh> i wonder how win10 will perform on the rpi
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[18:22] <cehteh> i have no interest to try it, just curious
[18:22] <shiftplusone> it's not windows windows
[18:22] <shiftplusone> it's IoT windows
[18:22] <ozzzy_> I'll install it
[18:23] <muriani> it's basically windows core, not desktop
[18:23] <cehteh> IoT ?
[18:23] <shiftplusone> (think arduino with visual studio)
[18:23] <muriani> Internet of Things
[18:23] <cehteh> ah ok
[18:23] <shiftplusone> (the visual studio part runs on your PC and you deploy your application to the pi)
[18:24] <cehteh> but its still a kernel derrived from the normal windows (NT legacy) or is it a WinCE successor?
[18:24] <muriani> It'd be hilarious if someone ported something like Litestep
[18:24] <muriani> it's NT
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[18:24] <shiftplusone> So yeah, no crysis/netflix/whateverelsepeoplewant
[18:24] <cehteh> root@raspberrypi:~# uname -a
[18:24] <cehteh> Linux raspberrypi 3.19.0-v7-ct2+
[18:24] <muriani> Just the ARM port of the NT kernel
[18:24] <cehteh> tada :)
[18:24] <muriani> same as used on win10 phones, etc
[18:25] <muriani> minus the UI
[18:26] <MY123> muriani: Actually, Windows RT can run on the RPi with a few hundred lines of code layer
[18:26] <MY123> (minus the UEFI shit)
[18:27] <muriani> MY123: oh I don't doubt that at all
[18:27] <muriani> but would you really want to? :P
[18:27] <MY123> muriani:It's running here, AFAIK with no input
[18:27] <MY123> I will try to plug it to WinDBG for some fun :-)
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[18:28] <MY123> And adding SMP support
[18:30] <cehteh> ok f2fs rocks again, bugs seem to be fixed in the 3.19 kernel at a first glimpe and abuse :)
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[18:32] <cehteh> less cpu load than btrfs, also seems to distribute the load better over more kernel threads
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[18:36] <lucaspl> any solutions for blank screen on quitting Kodi under Raspbian (besides cron killing kodi-standalone)?
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[18:39] <Ryzari> looks like you have to kill it, as it doesn't shut down properly
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[18:42] <MY123> lucaspl: I know that I did a workaround before with tvservice and fbset
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[18:43] <Ryzari> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=100811 automated "fix", but it's still using cron
[18:44] <ozzzy_> ssh in and kill -9 it?
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[19:15] <RayS> just installed raspbian on a rpi2, wanted to change the wm to i3 but /boot/xinitrc isn't there anymore. How do I change the wm?
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[19:20] <willmore> Has anything happened in Raspbian to better support the CPU on the pi2?
[19:20] <MY123> willmore, nothing
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[19:21] <willmore> Okay, I was curious if they were going to split things up a bit since the pi2 doesn't need a special v6hf port.
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[19:23] <shiftplusone> willmore: there's nothing to be done, it works just as well.
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[19:23] <shiftplusone> willmore: there will be updated raspi-copies-and-fills which doubles the memory bandwidth though
[19:23] <fiddlinmacx> RayS: You should just edit (or create) a .xinitrc in your home folder ~/.xinitrc . That's the place to do this.
[19:24] <RayS> fiddlinmacx: thanks
[19:24] <MY123> willmore, you can run Ubuntu or Debian on a Pi2
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[19:28] <willmore> shiftplusone, programs compiled for arm6-hf work just as well on an v7-NEON processor as native targeted code?
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[19:28] <shiftplusone> willmore: yeah. Aside from things like ffmpeg which actually use NEON heavily
[19:29] <willmore> Since the two main points of Raspbian were 1) include rpi specific stuff and 2) port to v6-hf. Since that latter half isn't necessary, I was wondering if Raspbian was going to address that.
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[19:32] <willmore> I've been following the work ARM is doing working with OPUS and the other xiph codecs to use their ne10 library: https://projectne10.github.io/Ne10/
[19:32] <RayS> fiddlinmacx: ok added a .xinitrc file to /home/pi but its still autolanuching lightdm
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[19:33] <willmore> So, I've been a bit focused on using NEON when it's available and the advantages that can bring.
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[19:33] <shiftplusone> Yeah, we would like to see NEON used in raspbian wherever it makes sense. I don't know if the how of that has been decided.
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[19:35] <shiftplusone> plugwash was saying that if you enable NEON, it's not clear which packages will only use it if it's supported and which will try to use it anyway, so it seems like recompiling all the packages with NEON support isn't the way to go (as some people have been saying on the forum). I may be completely wrong here.
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[19:35] <MY123> shiftplusone: The official Raspbian pixman package (OVERRIDEN BY THE RPF REPO) has NEON runtime tests and works fast unmodified on Pi2
[19:36] <willmore> I'm not sure quite what the difference is there.
[19:36] <willmore> Interesting, MY123.
[19:36] <MY123> willmore: Some apps supports runtime tests
[19:36] <shiftplusone> MY123: when was that last updated? Pretty sure last time it was discussed, it didn't support NEON. Great if that has been fixed.
[19:36] <MY123> (and libs)
[19:37] <willmore> MY123, I wasn't aware that was very easy to do in ARM. At least with the different VFP units, I though it was a PITA.
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[19:37] <MY123> shiftplusone: The package did pass the test with NEON enabled
[19:37] <shiftplusone> MY123: what does apt-cache policy say for that package?
[19:37] <fiddlinmacx> I see RayS. LightDM is just your login program (display manager). You can select your window manager from within it, or just disable it and start X manually.
[19:37] <MY123> shiftplusone: It says that it comes from "archive.raspbian.org"
[19:37] <fiddlinmacx> RayS: What, exactly do you want to happen.
[19:38] <MY123> (I built an image from scratch)
[19:38] <shiftplusone> MY123: is there a date?
[19:38] <MY123> shiftplusone, October 2014
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[19:38] <MY123> (my last update, except FW and kernel)
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[19:38] <RayS> fiddlinmacx: boot into i3 (or matchbox, haven't decided) and load midori by default
[19:39] <shiftplusone> not sure that makes sense =/
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[19:41] <MY123> shiftplusone, the RPF repo has an overriden lib
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[19:42] <MY123> (from somewhere .raspberrypi.org)
[19:42] <shiftplusone> uhu
[19:43] <MY123> shiftplusone, I don't know why it's there, apparently at first for Epiphany
[19:43] <shiftplusone> I think it's optimized in some way, but I've seen people say it didn't use NEON on pi2
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[19:44] <MY123> shiftplusone: The raspbian.org pixman uses NEON. (I even noticed that at first in my A20 tablet)
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[19:45] <shiftplusone> ah and the raspberrypi.org one doesn't?
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[19:46] <MY123> shiftplusone, yes
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[19:46] <shiftplusone> okay, sorry... misread the whole conversation. Makes much more sense now
[19:47] <Godfath3r> hello everyone, is it possible to use vchiq or qpu for faster calculation on raspberry pi?
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[19:47] <cehteh> Godfath3r: there is a fft demo
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[19:48] <shiftplusone> http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPU_FFT/Main.htm
[19:50] <willmore> I can backup what MY123 is saying. I did an objdump on the pixman library and there's NEON code in there.
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[19:50] <willmore> This is on a plain raspbian install that's up to date.
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[19:51] <Godfath3r> cehteh, shiftplusone thanks, but I was hoping for something a little bit more high level...
[19:51] <shiftplusone> Godfath3r: nope
[19:51] <Godfath3r> i've allready seen this
[19:52] <Godfath3r> but it's not clear how to do something similar
[19:52] <shiftplusone> Yes, you need to be a bit of a wizard with a degree in hard stuff.
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[19:53] <fiddlinmacx> If lightwm is starting up, just use it to select i3 and then the i3 config to start up whatever programs you want. You should be able to assign which container your programs start in. i3 has very good documentation on their website. I use it all the time now and love it. Remember that <generic web search engine> is your friend.
[19:54] <shiftplusone> Bing \O/
[19:54] <fiddlinmacx> RayS
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[19:58] <willmore> shiftplusone, don't tell anyone, but I ordered a C1.
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[19:58] <shiftplusone> willmore: oh dear... Eben will hear about this, I tells ya.
[19:59] <willmore> I think I may no longer be getting a birthday greeting from him.
[19:59] <shiftplusone> But did you already have one? =S or was that some one hardkernel board?
[19:59] <shiftplusone> *some other
[20:01] <willmore> Nope, I was hoping that I would get one this year for the first time, but it won't happen now.
[20:01] <willmore> I do need to find a pi2 or two.
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[20:01] <yohnnyjoe> I got the chance to play a bit with one over the weekend
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[20:01] <willmore> a pi2?
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[20:02] <yohnnyjoe> yeah, just for a bit
[20:02] <yohnnyjoe> did seem faster browsing the web
[20:02] <muriani> I like mine
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[20:03] <yohnnyjoe> was at a raspberry jam, they had a giveaway at the end, i was one number off :(
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[20:04] * willmore yells "Kaaaaaahhhhhhnnnnn!"
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[20:04] <willmore> That GPU_fft project is pretty cool.
[20:05] <yohnnyjoe> whats that?
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[20:07] <willmore> <shiftplusone> http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPU_FFT/Main.htm
[20:09] <TheLostAdmin> Okay. Now I know what it is. Not sure that I need it.
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[20:10] <willmore> I'm tempted to see if I can plug my RTL USB dongle into it and do some portable SDR.
[20:11] <TheLostAdmin> You may want to expand 2 of those 3 acronyms.
[20:12] <carlsimpson> whats a USB ?
[20:12] <willmore> :P
[20:13] <willmore> SDR is Software Defined Radio. it's a way of modulating and demodulating radio signals using software instead of dedicated hardware.
[20:13] <carlsimpson> sounds like your sprocket flange is broken to me
[20:14] <willmore> RTL stands for Realtek. They make a chip that is intended for satallite and terestrial television reception, but it has a test mode where it does straight up sampling of the RF signal.
[20:14] <MY123> willmore: "Don't tell anyone" and public channel
[20:14] <MY123> :P
[20:14] <willmore> I hope everyone knows what USB is. :)
[20:14] <TheLostAdmin> That explains your interest in Fast Fourier Transforms.
[20:14] <willmore> MY123, *joke*
[20:14] <willmore> TheLostAdmin, yep.
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[20:14] <willmore> Plus, I've been involved in (get ready for it) GIMPS for decades.
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[20:14] <willmore> more FFTs!
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[20:16] <MY123> willmore: Use a nVidia GPU for FFTs
[20:16] <MY123> Or even an FPGA
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[20:16] <MY123> *AMD is better
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[20:17] <willmore> MY123, I currently do my SDR work on my desktop which is a 4.2GHz Intel Ivy Bridge era chip. It's quite capable. :) I'm not aware of a lot of SDR being done on GPUs.
[20:17] <willmore> That box does have an HD7850 in it, so it's an option.
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[20:17] <willmore> But it's not all that portable.
[20:18] <muriani> GPU FFT on pi2 is nice
[20:18] <MY123> willmore, I got it 20 times faster on the GPU (a high-end RADEON)
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[20:18] <muriani> looks nice, anyway
[20:18] <MY123> (than a Haswell Core i5-4440)
[20:18] <muriani> last embedded system I did SDR on was a pandaboard.
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[20:19] <muriani> would be interesting to see how the pi2 fares in comparison
[20:19] <willmore> MY123, cool.
[20:19] <willmore> muriani, is the GPU FFT performance any different on the pi2? I thought the GPU was the same. Memory BW may be different, I guess.
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[20:20] <muriani> performance would be the same most likely
[20:20] <muriani> my interest is mostly in just offloading the FFT from the CPU
[20:20] <MY123> willmore: As the Galaxy Note 4 has integrated GPU OpenCL support and a lot faster GPU, that may be a portable option
[20:20] <MY123> muriani: Using NEON can be faster than the GPU
[20:20] <willmore> The end of that page on GPU FFT mentions that a 1024 point FFT on the GPU takes 41uS and 64uS on the pi2. Not sure if that's one or four cores--I'm guessing it's one.
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[20:20] <MY123> (if you use the 4 cores)
[20:21] <muriani> FFTW is almost as fast with NEON
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[20:21] <willmore> MY123, yeah, lots of good GPU computing going on in the mobile space these days.
[20:21] <muriani> but yeah, just having 4 cores is a boost compared to the OMAP4's dual
[20:22] <MY123> willmore: And I'm running a custom Debian ARMv8 on mine
[20:22] <MY123> ( just waiting for GPU libs)
[20:22] <willmore> Cool.
[20:23] <muriani> let's see if my lapdock can power the Pi for the rest of the workday
[20:23] <MY123> muriani: Can you get the battery stats?
[20:24] <muriani> I heard the lapdock doesn't backpower the Pi2 over the USB keyboard/mouse connection, but that totally works for me
[20:24] <muriani> MY123: nope
[20:24] <muriani> I just have a little LED meter on the front of the lapdock, like a laptop batteyr
[20:25] <muriani> actually, I haven't checked to see if I can... would I be able to see stats over USB?
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[20:25] <muriani> I can totally pull the power USB connection from the Pi right now and it'd stay up with just the one input connection to the lapdock
[20:26] <muriani> it doesn't turn on or anything with just that.. I'd have to plug the microUSB in to power it up but once it's up I can unplug
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[20:27] <muriani> thinking about doing the supercap buffer thing for handling the power drop when I close the lid
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[20:28] <strobelight> so, I have this USB 3 hub, which I thought I could plug my power hungry devices into, and then plug the hub's cable into a PI USB, but the PI doesn
[20:28] <strobelight> t see the devices
[20:29] <Tachyon`> hrm, I just managed to crash my pi with xaos
[20:29] <Tachyon`> need to see if I can reproduce that
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[20:30] <ppq> strobelight, you should connect the pi to the hub using the micro usb port, too, to power the pi from the hub
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[20:31] <strobelight> ppq: yes, doing that
[20:31] <Ryzari> strobelight is it a powered hub?
[20:31] <strobelight> Ryzari: yes
[20:31] <IT_Sean> is it plugged in?
[20:31] <muriani> noooooooooooooo
[20:31] <IT_Sean> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[20:32] <strobelight> yes, yes, StarTech 4 port USB 3
[20:32] <muriani> I picked up the lapdock to see if it had any markings about battery capacity
[20:32] <IT_Sean> muriani: the capacity is "'till it goes flat"
[20:32] <muriani> in doing so I apparently caused the pi2 to reset... right after it finished the build steps of retropie >_<
[20:33] <Ryzari> what kind of "power hungry" devices you have plugged into it?
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[20:33] <strobelight> Ryzari: wifi dongle, keyboard, mouse
[20:33] <Ryzari> not really power hungry, would run fine on the pi itself
[20:33] <Ryzari> but it sees none of them,?
[20:34] <IT_Sean> So, you have the hub plugged into one of the USB ports on your Pi, right? On of the full sized USB ports?
[20:34] <IT_Sean> *One
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[20:35] <strobelight> was wondering if the hub wasn't really going to USB 2 protocols or whether I need special driver on pi
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[20:35] <Ryzari> usb 3 is fully backwards compatible
[20:35] <IT_Sean> strobelight: So, you have the hub plugged into one of the USB ports on your Pi, right? One of the full sized USB ports?
[20:35] <muriani> I've had trouble with USB3 hubs.
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[20:36] <strobelight> IT_Sean: yes, special cable that came with the hub, is plugged into USB port of PI,
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[20:36] <IT_Sean> Special cable? That's special about it?
[20:36] <IT_Sean> *what's
[20:36] <strobelight> power plugged into hub port, wifi in hub port, keyboard&mouse too
[20:36] <IT_Sean> Have you tried a different cable?
[20:36] <Ryzari> have you tried the hub on a regular pc to verify it works?
[20:36] <sterlingdax> is the hub powered? i have a usb 3 hub but no usb 3 stuff, but mine is plugged into the wall
[20:37] <strobelight> um, no not a pc
[20:37] <strobelight> yes, hub is powered
[20:37] <Ryzari> i'd try that to make sure the hub itself isn't bad
[20:37] <IT_Sean> that ^
[20:37] <strobelight> this special cable looks like it does something with power so that power doesn't go to PI usb port
[20:37] <IT_Sean> Try a different cable
[20:37] <strobelight> k
[20:37] <sterlingdax> is this special cable just usb3 mini?
[20:38] <Ryzari> looks proprietary
[20:38] <Ryzari> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/818FQb3BasL._SL1500_.jpg
[20:38] <IT_Sean> strobelight: can you take a pic of your setup so we can see it?
[20:38] <sterlingdax> i say that because i thought usb3 mini was proprietary when i first saw it myself
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[20:39] <Ryccardo> Ryzari: isn't that a full size B plug?
[20:39] <cehteh> ... note: f2fs still bugs :/
[20:40] <Ryzari> hmm, maybe it is.. not used to seeing one blue
[20:40] <strobelight> Ryzari: that looks correct. blue cable to pi usb, pi power to hub, other devices in hub
[20:40] <strobelight> can't take pic, sorry
[20:41] <Ryzari> "A lot of USB 3 hubs do not support USB 1.1, Most keyboards and mice are USB 1.1."
[20:41] <Ryzari> hmm, maybe that's the issue
[20:42] <strobelight> Ryzari: didn't know that
[20:42] <Ryccardo> Ryzari: haven't ever seen any usb3 device in the real world, nor anything except printers to use big B connectors!
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[20:43] <sterlingdax> ill have to try that at home, never plugged anything into my usb3 but a single drive
[20:43] <Ryzari> I use this hub in the same manner you are strobelight and it works : www.amazon.com/dp/B00C0XZ7R6
[20:43] <Ryzari> not usb 3 though, but really, who needs it
[20:43] <Ryzari> pi doesn't support it anyway
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[20:45] <Ryccardo> I have this one, too bad it's almost impossible to find its power brick http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/741086185/High-Quality-Newest-Black-Hub-500GB-4-Ports-High-Speed-USB-2-0-Hub-Adapter-On.jpg
[20:45] <strobelight> right, I just need a hub for power, and it ought to just pass on the devices it sees through the common cable to the pi usb
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[20:46] <Ryzari> Ryccardo, if the cable is a standard micro/mini usb plug.. it'd likely work off any phone charger>usb brick
[20:46] <Ryzari> strobelight, try putting the mouse/kb directly attached to the pi, then see if a hdd or something works from the hub
[20:46] <Ryzari> that'd tell you if it is the usb 1.1 issue
[20:47] <ppq> btw, question: when i have an unpowered hub, can i simply connect a usb charger to the hub to power connected devices? the adapters/cables needed are not really standard but if it works, who cars
[20:47] <Ryccardo> Ryzari: nah, it's a round "barrel type", but smaller than the average size for its class (might just replace the connector with another usb cable)
[20:47] <strobelight> thanks for the info all
[20:47] <IT_Sean> ppq: that's not how it works, so, no. You need a powered hub if you need a powered hub.
[20:48] <cehteh> ok .. f2fs totally hosed, back to ext4
[20:48] <Ryccardo> ppq: you could cut the red wire between hub and pi, leave pi side open and connect +5 from power brick to hub, do same for grounds but connect all 3 sides
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[20:48] <ppq> sounds fun
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[20:49] <Ryccardo> that's basically what my hub does if you plug in the external power
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[20:50] <ppq> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BSJFFC i thought about just using this
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[20:50] <Ryccardo> ha, the one for my old hard drive ;)
[20:51] <Ryzari> ppq, just spend the extra $1 and get that hub i linked
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[20:51] <Ryccardo> you want to plug it in one "output" of the hub? most likely to work in the way you don't want
[20:51] <ppq> it was just a hypothetical question :)
[20:51] <Ryzari> 10 ports, comes with power adapter, can power pi itself and all devices
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[20:56] <Ryccardo> oh, I tried using one of those Hitachi chipset 2x16 character displays, but the contrast was way wrong (I set it using an Arduino) -- this when I used a poor power supply, do you think it'll be better now that I replaced it?
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[21:00] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[21:01] <ppq> i had a similar problem with a different display, there was a jumper i had to change, something related to input voltage..
[21:01] <Ryzari> contrast is adjusted by voltage on pin3 .. it wired right?
[21:01] <Tenkawa> these new pi2's are amazing
[21:02] <Tenkawa> just had to be noted
[21:02] <Ryzari> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/07/16x2-lcd-module-control-using-python/
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[21:03] <Ryccardo> Ryzari: with an arduino, correct contrast was with pin 3 grounded -- this isn't true with the Pi, at least with an undersized power supply...
[21:03] <yohnnyjoe> Tenkawa: what are you doing with your pi2?
[21:03] <Ryzari> Tenkawa, i never tried the original pis, but am impressed with my pi2
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[21:03] <Tenkawa> yohnnyjoe: multiple uses... servers.. however using 3 of them for cross compiling farm
[21:05] <Ryzari> Ryccardo, i know nothing of prograaming, just searched google for controlling contrast =/
[21:05] <muriani> hm, the Atrix Lapdock battery is supposed to be 36Wh, so.... ~7mAh?
[21:05] <Ryccardo> o.o
[21:05] <muriani> er
[21:05] <Ryccardo> single or double cell?
[21:05] <muriani> 7000mAh?
[21:06] <muriani> I cannot brain
[21:06] <muriani> 3 cells, supposedly
[21:06] <muriani> hm, 36Wh at 7.4v, so it's probably a bit higher at 5v
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[21:07] <Ryccardo> wonder how they got 7,4 with 3 cells
[21:07] <muriani> That's the specs I'm reading
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[21:08] <Ryccardo> ideally 7,2 Ah at 5V
[21:08] <Ryzari> at 5v it'd be around 7.2 yea
[21:08] <muriani> sounds about right
[21:08] <Ryzari> Wh/V=Ah
[21:08] <muriani> right
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[21:09] <muriani> welp, I'm slamming it with a retropie build (again) so let's see how long it lasts
[21:09] <muriani> no wifi, just the lapdock with screen on, and the pi2
[21:10] <muriani> brightness on the screen all the way up
[21:10] <ali1234> it's probably a 2x3 battery pack
[21:10] <ali1234> if it's 7000mAh
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[21:11] <ali1234> that's 6x 2333mAh cells, 3 parallel x 2 series
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[21:12] <Ryccardo> likely, same design as 2011 MBP
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[21:16] <Ryzari> hmm, that lapdock isn't a bad idea
[21:22] <muriani> if you can get one cheap
[21:22] <muriani> prices have gone up
[21:22] <muriani> I was able to snag one during the mad rush when they dropped to like 40USD a couple of years ago
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[21:28] <Ryzari> i only grabbed my pi for emulation and xbmc, so really have no use for something like that
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[21:33] <muriani> I got mine for more general use
[21:33] <muriani> tinkering around with
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[21:34] <Ryccardo> I hope I'm not the only one that bought the original model (when it was the best) as a desktop replacement :)
[21:34] <muriani> haha
[21:34] <Ryzari> heh
[21:34] <muriani> I wouldn't even have considered it for that :)
[21:34] <Ryzari> it could never replace my desktop
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[21:35] <Ryccardo> well, it's on par with the made in 2001 PC that it replaces 90% of the time (10% = optical drive or Microsoft OSes)
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[21:37] <clever> Ryzari: one shortcut you could do to make the pi 'replace' your desktop, run RDP and just remote into a desktop in the other room
[21:38] <Ryzari> true
[21:38] <clever> then you have 1 desktop with all your files, but you can access it from any room with a pi
[21:38] <clever> and the full power of the desktop
[21:38] <Ryzari> hmm, can it run steam? could just use the in home streaming
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[21:38] <clever> i believe steam is x86 only
[21:39] <clever> and steam would need the omx api added to it to properly take advantage of the h264 decoding for the streaming
[21:39] <TheLostAdmin> I went the other way with that. I remote in to my RPi from a full blown desktop to run a few Linux apps that I don't want to install on OSX.
[21:39] <Ryzari> well, even using it as such, it's still not a "replacement", more and aiddiotn
[21:39] <clever> i have linux machines in every room
[21:39] <Ryzari> addition*
[21:39] <TheLostAdmin> And (someday) maybe as a remote desktop I can use over the Internet.
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[21:43] <Ryzari> i've never really messed with linux, setup "The Perfect Server", but that's about it
[21:44] <clever> i used to run a 200mhz desktop as a router
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[21:44] <Ryzari> have freenas and pfsense boxes, but not went past the gui in either
[21:44] <clever> just a random pentium1 with ~64mb of ram
[21:44] <clever> i used linux from scratch for the router
[21:45] <Tenkawa> thats fast compared to the one I started with
[21:45] * Tenkawa cant even remember what he used in 94
[21:46] <[Saint]> Oooooooooooh, old hardware huh?
[21:46] <Ryzari> my router is a p4 .. completely power inefficient
[21:46] <Tenkawa> hey [Saint]
[21:46] <[Saint]> I have a couple of old gems.
[21:46] <[Saint]> All operational.
[21:46] <Tenkawa> nice
[21:46] <Ryccardo> oldest PC I've had was a Pentium S/8MB/10GB, picked up from the trash around 2005 -- only hard drive I've hever had to die from natural causes
[21:46] <Tenkawa> i was tired of lifting them
[21:46] <[Saint]> An Amstrad 6128, and a MicroBee, are amongst my favorites.
[21:46] <clever> Ryzari: my P4 recently died, bad sectors on the lvm array
[21:47] <Ryzari> i have quite a few of em, old Dell poweredge systems
[21:47] <Tenkawa> wish i wouldve kept at least one trs-80
[21:47] <Tenkawa> just for the heck of it
[21:47] <clever> Ryzari: the root disk is still good and it boots, but the 500gig of storage isnt accessible
[21:47] <muriani> [Saint]: nice
[21:47] <clever> and the dpkg db is on the lvm array
[21:47] <clever> so nothing can install or update!!
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[21:47] <[Saint]> I have a genuine ZX Spectrum too, but its currently non-functional.
[21:47] <Ryccardo> (the only other hard drive that failed was one that fell 2 m from a shelf)
[21:47] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: nice
[21:48] <[Saint]> I'm halfway through replacing some busted old caps on it.
[21:48] <muriani> I don't really have any classic machines anymore
[21:48] <muriani> other than an old HP Envizex terminal, which isn't really a system of its own
[21:48] <[Saint]> Its one of my many "one day" projects that litters my NOC.
[21:49] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: you were able to still find capacitors for it?
[21:49] <[Saint]> s/NOC/{NOC|Man Cave|Spare Room||Place Where All My Electro-Crap Lives}/g
[21:50] <[Saint]> Tenkawa: yup
[21:50] <Tenkawa> what kinda *farad were they?
[21:50] <muriani> yeah I have a room like that :P
[21:50] <Tenkawa> fairly small right
[21:50] <Tenkawa> ?
[21:50] <[Saint]> Not genuine parts, of course, but valid modern substitutions.
[21:50] <Tenkawa> nod
[21:50] <Ryccardo> Tenkawa: you can easily find them for monitors of that age, so it's likely not that hard
[21:50] <Tenkawa> coo
[21:50] <Tenkawa> l
[21:51] <Tenkawa> was worried those voltage/farad combos might be a bit odd in todays age
[21:51] <[Saint]> Nah. There's still a thriving Speccy community and lots of home-build kits available.
[21:52] <[Saint]> You can buy a solder-your-own ZX Spectrum kit for ~$100
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[21:52] <Ryccardo> maybe they don't have to be perfect equivalents (were average tolerances worse then?)
[21:53] <[Saint]> Dunno. I've replaced them with the modern equivalent in the same range. Not sure how much degree of tolerance there is, it didn't occur to me, since it wasn't difficult to find the parts I was looking for.
[21:53] <Ryzari> there's not much to em, so i doubt there'd be any issues
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[21:54] * [Saint] nods
[21:54] <Ryzari> tubes are what have gotten hard to source
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[21:55] <Tenkawa> tubes *shudder*
[21:55] * Tenkawa tries to forget those more and more
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[21:56] <ozzzy_> an audio preamp or amp with no tubes is just more junk
[21:56] <Tenkawa> well amps are a diff story
[21:56] <Ryzari> nah, they've got solid state devices that can mimic tubes fairly well
[21:56] <Ryzari> granted, you'll pay a nice sum for em, but there's not much difference
[21:57] <[Saint]> I still have a bunch of old Russian 16 segment alphanumeric vacuum tubes I've been wanting to do something with. I want to make a really nice front end for my atomic clock out of them.
[21:57] <[Saint]> I have about a dozen of them, from memory.
[21:58] <[Saint]> Though I'm not sure if they all work.
[21:58] <Ryccardo> don't remind me of the monitor I had to throw away... (burnt filament)
[21:58] <Ryccardo> at least it was free
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[22:00] <[Saint]> I have a nice old HP cesium beam atomic clock sitting there doing nothing.
[22:01] <[Saint]> I want to make a nice readout for it down to the picosecond out of my vacuum tubes.
[22:01] <phire> how fast can you update vacuum tubes?
[22:01] <[Saint]> it has its own display, but, ...vacuum tubes!
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[22:02] <[Saint]> phire: that's one thing I've been wondering myself. I may have to make some sacrifices on how accurate I'd like it to be.
[22:02] <[Saint]> I haven't been able to get any solid information about the tubes I have in particular.
[22:02] <[Saint]> I only /barely/ know how to drive them.
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[22:10] <phire> [Saint], I suspect you will be lucky to get Nanosecond update times
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[22:30] <nomis> hi all. I am trying to setup the vga666 with a recent kernel, but somehow I fail - the dt-blob-dpi.bin makes the recent kernels fail to boot and I am unsure how to deal with that.
[22:31] <nomis> I tried compiling the stuff from gerts repository into a device tree overlay and loading that - but it doesn't seem to have an effect
[22:32] <nomis> (kernel 3.18.8+)
[22:33] <nomis> (debian 7.8)
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[23:04] <strobelight> Tenkawa: using pi for cross compile farm? can you elaborate?
[23:05] <Tenkawa> strobelight: distcc + ccache
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[23:07] <strobelight> I'll have to look that up, cause I'm having a heck of a time getting a gstreamer lib built using a cross compile environment crosstool-ng on ubuntu... scripts keep wanting to execute tests on hosts of the wrong architecture
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[23:08] <Splintor> hey all
[23:09] <Tenkawa> strobelight: with 12 cpu's things compile nice and swift (3 rpi2's)
[23:09] <Tenkawa> hey Splintor
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[23:09] <strobelight> Tenkawa: do you have a web page by chance explaining this? sounds like just what I need.
[23:10] <strobelight> Tenkawa: found this but seems old: http://blog.kfish.org/2010/06/speeding-up-cross-compiling-with-ccache.html
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[23:10] <Tenkawa> strobelight: not immediately however google distcc and ccache and I think theres a few good docs out there
[23:11] <strobelight> Tenkawa: yes, googled them as soon as you mentioned
[23:11] <Splintor> just wanna check something with you folks, i don't know if its possible, or even if i'm banging my head off a wall. I'm using my pi mainly for irc (using weechat). its fine just sshing it on my own network, but if i wanna access it from outside the network, and not via ssh, have I many options? idealy i'd like a webpage that looks like a terminal interface
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[23:12] <Ryccardo> there is some javascript ssh console emulator, iirc
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[23:14] <qmr> Splintor: Look at shell in a box
[23:15] <qmr> Splintor: not sure why you wouldn't just use a terminal emulator though
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[23:16] <Splintor> qmr: i'm not aware of a terminal emulator?
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[23:17] <Splintor> oh, you mean on the machine i'm using? i can't access irc through it
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[23:17] <Splintor> so i'd be just bouncing to my pi and using it to access irc
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[23:17] <thescatman_> I've mounted a hard drive to my pi (running retropie), how am I able to see it on my network and access it like bios and roms files?
[23:18] <Ryccardo> run a file server on the pi
[23:18] <Ryccardo> NFS, Netatalk, Samba...
[23:19] <thescatman_> also, do I need to use bios files for my game ROMs?
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[23:20] <thescatman_> some games come up saying they need a bios file or they won't work right
[23:20] <qmr> Splintor: 'bouncing'?
[23:20] <qmr> Splintor: Just use a terminal emulator to connect. There are thousands of them for every different platform
[23:20] <Ryccardo> mostly depends on the systems you're emulating
[23:21] <thescatman_> Ryccardo, pretty much just n64 and ps1 (psx?)
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[23:22] <Ryccardo> ps1, yes you need a bios (at least when I emulated it in 2004, maybe modern emulators will have an imitation of it but it's most likely not 100% accurate)
[23:22] <thescatman_> Can you torrent one...? I can't seem to find one
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[23:23] <Ryccardo> google "model number".bin (like scph1001)
[23:24] <Splintor> qmr: do you mean like putty?
[23:24] <qmr> Splintor: sure, PuTTY is a popular one
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[23:25] <qmr> thescatman_: "psx bios torrent" will return around 738274328 results
[23:27] <Splintor> cool, i'll give it a look. i'm thinking i might be able to just swap the ports to get around it. thanks qmr
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[23:30] <thescatman_> cool, I've dumped the ps1 .bin file in the bios folder, thanks Ryccardo
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[23:32] <cybr1d> here's all my emulator bios if you need 'em http://cl.ly/a1J2
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[23:32] <thescatman_> cybr1d, it's greyed out
[23:33] <cybr1d> wtf interweb. it's like 6mb and still uploading lol.
[23:33] <cybr1d> ry meow, shoulda finished
[23:33] <cybr1d> try*
[23:33] <thescatman_> awesome, cheers
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[23:34] <cybr1d> :) ive been collecting em for a while lol
[23:35] <thescatman_> is there anything I need to do apart from chuck the .bins in the bios folder?
[23:35] <cybr1d> not usually
[23:35] <cybr1d> i assume the emu would tell you otherwise
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[23:36] <cybr1d> sht gtg
[23:36] <cybr1d> afk
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[23:45] <Aerosonic> Hey guys!
[23:45] * cave (~various@h081217074129.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:45] <Aerosonic> Thanks to your wonderful community we finally launched our kickstarter!
[23:46] <Aerosonic> We're building a toolbox for kids to play and learn how circuit boards work through Minecraft.
[23:46] <Aerosonic> www.build.withpiper.com
[23:46] <Aerosonic> Thank you all for your help :)
[23:49] <ali1234> looks interesting, can you tl;dr it for me?
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[23:57] <Aerosonic> ali1234: I recommend watching the video: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/withpiper/piper-a-minecraft-toolbox-for-budding-engineers?ref=video
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