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IRC Log for 2015-03-04

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[0:06] <Ullarah> This is going to sound very silly, but should I wait for another version of the RPi2 before purchasing? (It'll be the only board I don't have! :o)
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[0:13] <aberrant> huh
[0:13] <aberrant> it just came out
[0:13] <aberrant> what version are you wanting to get?
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[0:14] <jamesaxl> i wonder why i should use resistance with servo motor ?
[0:14] <Ullarah> Well I have to buy a bulk lot ( >20 ), and knowing my luck, by the time I get around to buying the RPi2, there will be another revision of the board.
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[0:16] <ynniv> Is the rpi firmware flashed onto the board somewhere, or is it loaded off the SD each boot?
[0:16] <ShorTie> since the rpi2 was suppose to be released in 2017, don't think anybody knows
[0:17] <ShorTie> most is loaded off the sdcard
[0:17] <IWriteBugs> ynniv: there is a tiny bootloader embedded on the board but it's very primitive and all it does is load the actual firmware off the boot partition of the sdcard.
[0:18] <IWriteBugs> the onboard firmware is static and cannot be updated.
[0:18] <IWriteBugs> I believe it's something like onboard firmware -> bootcode.bin -> start.elf -> kernel(7).img
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[0:19] <Ullarah> Would be nice to have like a 1gb nand chip on board :P
[0:20] <IWriteBugs> If only for the speed
[0:20] <ShorTie> lotta wishes in there, but the $ cost rules
[0:20] <Ullarah> What are the cost rules?
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[0:21] <IWriteBugs> There's only so much you can do with a sale price of $35
[0:21] <IWriteBugs> every component counts and they have margins to meet.
[0:21] <Ullarah> Surely a a 512mb or 1gb nand wouldn't expand the cost /that/ much.
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[0:21] <ShorTie> more goodies == bigger price sticker
[0:21] <ShorTie> thats what they all say
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[0:22] <Ullarah> Well I'm calling it now :P
[0:22] <Ullarah> I say 2-3 revisions from now.
[0:22] <ynniv> IWriteBugs: Ok, that’s helpful. When people say “firmware” I imagine there to be some hidden flash storage on the board or in the CPU.
[0:23] <Ullarah> Just like those people who talked about having 1gb ram.
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[0:25] <IWriteBugs> ynniv: In this case the upgradable firmware is on the sdcard. The only one onboard is used to purely for bootstrapping off of the sdcard and I'm not sure exactly where it's located to be honest.
[0:25] <ynniv> Ullarah: the 2Gb flash in the Beaglebone Black is $4 itself
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[0:26] <Ullarah> So 1Gb would be $2, $2.50?
[0:27] <ynniv> Looks like $3.50. Doesn’t scale like you were hoping ;-)
[0:27] <Ullarah> D:
[0:28] <ynniv> And that’s just the chip - it costs more to find a place on the board, drill if necessary, and solder it.
[0:29] <Ullarah> One can dream ynniv... one can dream.
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[0:49] <Cess1090> is there a way to tell via the CLI what the current power draw is?
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[0:59] <Triffid_Hunter> Cess1090: I don't believe there's a way at all, CLI or otherwise. if there is a current sensor, then you'll find it in /sys/class/ somewhere
[1:00] <Ullarah> Cess1090, you're best of buying a watt meter.
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[1:34] <acidjazz> so an SDR scan of the 400mhz range onteh raspberry pi 1 takes 1 minute 20 seconds. on the pi 2 it takes 14 seconds
[1:36] <sydney_untangle> SDR scan?
[1:36] <sydney_untangle> pi 1, yes.
[1:36] <sydney_untangle> id imagine.
[1:37] <Ullarah> acidjazz, are you using gqrx?
[1:37] <acidjazz> Ullarah: ptyhon and rtlsdr
[1:37] <Ullarah> Ah ok :)
[1:37] <acidjazz> sydney_untangle: pi 1 and then 2
[1:38] <acidjazz> whats gqrx
[1:38] <Ullarah> http://gqrx.dk/
[1:38] <acidjazz> im no sdr expert, im just the guy that knows how to run the scans :)
[1:38] <sydney_untangle> But is pi 1 the 256mb or the 512 mb?
[1:38] <acidjazz> pi 1:
[1:38] <acidjazz> pi 1 is 512mb ram iirc
[1:38] <acidjazz> Starting
[1:38] <acidjazz> Found Rafael Micro R820T tuner
[1:38] <acidjazz> Exact sample rate is: 2000000.052982 Hz
[1:38] <acidjazz> 100.0%
[1:38] <acidjazz> Done
[1:38] <acidjazz> real1m21.972s
[1:38] <acidjazz> then on pi 2:
[1:38] <IWriteBugs> Pi 1 has models with both 256 and 512MB of ram
[1:38] <acidjazz> Found Rafael Micro R820T tuner
[1:38] <acidjazz> Exact sample rate is: 2000000.052982 Hz
[1:38] <acidjazz> 100.0%
[1:38] <acidjazz> Done
[1:38] <acidjazz> real 0m14.738s
[1:38] <acidjazz> right im sorry
[1:38] <acidjazz> pi 1 model b+ vs pi 2
[1:39] <sydney_untangle> Carefull...
[1:39] <acidjazz> so 1m20s to 14s
[1:39] <sydney_untangle> Pastebin please. ;)
[1:39] <sydney_untangle> Wow.
[1:39] <Ullarah> That's a big bloody difference.
[1:39] <acidjazz> which is freakishly around exactly 6x as fast as advertised
[1:39] <acidjazz> a huge wow sydney_untangle , i can possibly noe just keep a lower level continuous scan on the pi2, and detect things in a 5-10second window instead of 45-50 seconds :)
[1:40] <Ullarah> I'm currently using gqrx with a generic 2832 on a radxa rock pro :)
[1:41] <acidjazz> Ullarah: no need for qt for me
[1:41] <Ullarah> Yeah, but my father likes seeing things on screen rather than text :P
[1:41] <acidjazz> Ullarah: this is all sent to a db where i show graphs and alerts on some remote app
[1:41] <acidjazz> yea.. my thing i need to be remote
[1:41] <acidjazz> and be able to deploy this
[1:41] <acidjazz> these*
[1:41] <Ullarah> Plus, waterfalls are neat to look at :P
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[1:42] <acidjazz> haha well those will be there, just remote
[1:42] <Ullarah> Have you seen this acidjazz? http://www.qrz.lt/ly1gp/SDR/ :P
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[1:43] <Ullarah> I actually want one of these, but... $$$ http://nuand.com/
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[1:45] <sydney_untangle> acidjazz: So i take it me saving for 2 months more for the RPI 2 is worth it? :P
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[1:47] <sydney_untangle> Ive never used a RPI before and am half tempted to buy the B+ because its 20$ cheaper...
[1:47] <acidjazz> sydney_untangle: its $36
[1:48] <acidjazz> sydney_untangle: f that!
[1:48] <acidjazz> you got 4 cores
[1:48] <acidjazz> god i wanna overclock this thing
[1:48] <acidjazz> for fun
[1:48] <acidjazz> Ullarah: i have not, let me show you what im using
[1:49] <IT_Sean> acidjazz, please mind the channel language policy. ...thank you.
[1:49] <sydney_untangle> I can have a RPI B+ shipped here for 27$. I can have a pi2 for almost 50$
[1:49] <acidjazz> Ullarah: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009U7WZCA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[1:49] <acidjazz> sydney_untangle: if you need cpu/ram get a 2
[1:50] <Ullarah> How did I know you were using a nooelec acidjazz :P
[1:50] <acidjazz> let me alos say my setup w/ this on the pi 1 crashed every 3-5 hours
[1:50] <acidjazz> w/ the pi 2 i have a 4 day uptime now
[1:50] <acidjazz> Ullarah: works right out of the box for the pi!
[1:50] <Ullarah> I'm using some generic brand I bought off ebay :P
[1:50] <acidjazz> if its the rtl chip its hte rtl chip
[1:50] <acidjazz> no real biggy
[1:50] <acidjazz> rtl8something
[1:50] <Ullarah> 2832 :P
[1:50] <acidjazz> yea that
[1:51] <acidjazz> all teh same thing
[1:51] <acidjazz> sydney_untangle: http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16530
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[1:52] <acidjazz> $35
[1:52] <sydney_untangle> acidjazz: Amazon...
[1:52] <acidjazz> the sellers on amazon are padding the pi 2
[1:52] <acidjazz> beacuse its so new
[1:52] <acidjazz> its inevitable that will hit $36 to balance competition
[1:53] <acidjazz> those resellers are bastards
[1:53] <acidjazz> and should not be doing that
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[1:53] <acidjazz> sydney_untangle: newart and its official list will list it at $36,go through those or wait
[1:53] <sydney_untangle> Yeah, i will wait.
[1:53] <acidjazz> or tell your parents theyre crippling your education by not buying you 5 of them
[1:54] <acidjazz> and that youll call social services
[1:54] <acidjazz> sydney_untangle: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00T2U7R7I/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
[1:54] <acidjazz> 4th down listed at 35
[1:54] <acidjazz> ugh $12 shipping
[1:54] <acidjazz> yea about a week or so youll see em at 36 w/ prime
[1:57] <Tachyon`> oh yes, that reminds me, need to buy a pi 2 tomorrow
[1:57] <Tachyon`> if I can find someone who has actual stock and not just hypothetical stock
[1:57] <nomis> success of the evening: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/raspi-lcd-dpi.jpg
[1:58] <Triffid_Hunter> nomis: is that using hdmi or the gpio and a framebuffer driver?
[1:59] <nomis> Triffid_Hunter: that is the dpi interface on the gpio header
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[1:59] <Triffid_Hunter> I've never heard of dpi interface
[2:00] <nomis> Triffid_Hunter: it became known with the vga666 hack, where it creatively got abused for an analog VGA output
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[2:00] <Triffid_Hunter> oh neat
[2:00] <nomis> Triffid_Hunter: it is basically a parallel lcd interface
[2:01] <sydney_untangle> acidjazz: Im not a prime user, and i would get kicked oout of the house if i said that. :P
[2:01] <Triffid_Hunter> like LVDS?
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[2:01] <nomis> Triffid_Hunter: no.
[2:01] <acidjazz> Tachyon`: element14 gets em 1st
[2:02] <acidjazz> nomis: which lcd is that
[2:02] <nomis> Triffid_Hunter: it is a purely digital interface (not a differential one like lvds) with lots of pins: pixelclock, hsync, vsync, enable, red0 ... red7, green0 ... green7, blue0 ... blue7
[2:02] <Triffid_Hunter> nomis: oh nice, sounds fairly simple
[2:02] <nomis> acidjazz: it is an edt 7" display
[2:02] <acidjazz> so nomis you are using the hdmi port? or hte gpio port?
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[2:03] <nomis> acidjazz: the dpi interface on the gpio port.
[2:03] <acidjazz> cool
[2:03] <acidjazz> whats that red board in between
[2:03] <acidjazz> is it wired direct?
[2:03] <nomis> acidjazz: just a prototyping breakout
[2:03] <acidjazz> i see
[2:03] <acidjazz> im using the jbtek 3.5"
[2:04] <acidjazz> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ac1djazz/16328344572/
[2:04] * nomis will try to get around doing a writeup on that. Most of the work was to find the relevant information on the net and make sense of it
[2:04] <acidjazz> the latest rpi firmware/kernel has notro's LCD dirvers baked in
[2:04] <acidjazz> so these lcd's will p much work w/ the latest rpi-update now
[2:04] <acidjazz> which is awesome
[2:04] <nomis> acidjazz: is this connected via SPI?
[2:04] <acidjazz> yes
[2:05] <nomis> acidjazz: reasonable framerates?
[2:05] <acidjazz> i wrote my own overlay for it until they updated the kernel
[2:05] <acidjazz> https://github.com/acidjazz/jbtekoverlay
[2:05] <acidjazz> nomis: uhm.. i don tknow
[2:05] <acidjazz> i don tneed it for that really
[2:06] <nomis> ah neat.
[2:06] <acidjazz> i want to try and send chromium to it
[2:06] <acidjazz> and render a internet site
[2:06] <nomis> that is a real downside of the dpi interface: it basically eats up the gpios
[2:06] <acidjazz> locally driven by node
[2:06] <acidjazz> displaying status of thingses
[2:07] <acidjazz> eats it up? as in all of its use?
[2:09] <nomis> acidjazz: for this setup I use 6 bits per color. I.e. 3*6+4=22 GPIOs - of 27. Plus pins to control the backlight. Plus I'll need something for the touch.
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[2:09] <acidjazz> this has touch i assume
[2:09] <acidjazz> i havent tested it
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[2:10] <acidjazz> but there are 4-5 displays that sit on top fo the pi that are touchscreen
[2:13] <Ullarah> That's a neat little display you got there acidjazz! I might look into getting one of those.
[2:13] <acidjazz> Ullarah: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OB0S8KE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[2:14] <acidjazz> its convenient to not have to plug in an HDMI when your pi wont go online
[2:14] <acidjazz> to not*
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[2:14] <Ullarah> Nice! Thanks for the link.
[2:15] <Ullarah> If I do end up getting one, I'll have to print my RPi case yet again :P
[2:18] <Ullarah> acidjazz, Did you need to do anything special with the display, or simply plug'n'play?
[2:18] <acidjazz> Ullarah: it was a nightmare before the latest knerel
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[2:18] <Ullarah> I can imagine :P
[2:18] <acidjazz> Ullarah: this right here is your savior https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/commit/8f6196d9e3c96915d89318821c5e591f094561e5
[2:19] <acidjazz> Ullarah: native FBTFT drivers for your kernel
[2:19] <acidjazz> Ullarah: just need to add a coulpe lines to /etc/modules to get the console piped to the LCD, i can give you that
[2:19] <Ullarah> If you don't mind! ^_^
[2:19] <acidjazz> Ullarah: but after you sudo apt-get install rpi-update and run rpi-update and reboot, lcd will power up
[2:19] <acidjazz> sure
[2:20] <Ullarah> acidjazz, this? https://github.com/acidjazz/jbtekoverlay
[2:20] <acidjazz> no dont need that anymore
[2:20] <acidjazz> they fixed that
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[2:20] <acidjazz> i had to write that before
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[2:20] <Ullarah> Ohh ok! :)
[2:21] <acidjazz> Ullarah: https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/ac137957cfcda7582fd7
[2:21] <Ullarah> Nice! Thanks acidjazz, much appreciated, already got my purchase done :P
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[2:22] <acidjazz> here
[2:22] <acidjazz> lemme gvei you this
[2:22] <acidjazz> taht code will activate het lcd
[2:23] <acidjazz> to pipe your console to it
[2:23] <acidjazz> you need this
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[2:24] <acidjazz> Ullarah: https://gist.github.com/acidjazz/ac137957cfcda7582fd7
[2:24] <acidjazz> Ullarah: you want xwindows on the screen?
[2:24] <Ullarah> I won't be using xwindows, no.
[2:24] <acidjazz> ok
[2:24] <acidjazz> then your set
[2:24] <acidjazz> just save that url
[2:24] <acidjazz> ill keep taht gist going
[2:24] <Ullarah> Already starred it ^_-
[2:25] <acidjazz> ill give you a line to test it
[2:25] <acidjazz> k reload
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[2:27] <Ullarah> Do you have issues with screen blanking? Or do you simply turn it off?
[2:27] <acidjazz> well theres no switch
[2:27] <acidjazz> it does tend to go to sleep
[2:27] <acidjazz> i think thats the console working
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[2:27] <acidjazz> but when i run fbi and send images it wakes back up
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[2:28] <acidjazz> if you plug in a kb the console wake up
[2:28] <acidjazz> when you touch a key
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[2:29] <Ullarah> Ah ok, cool beans :)
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[2:37] <Simonious> Triffid_Hunter: you're everywhere
[2:37] <Triffid_Hunter> Simonious: yep :P
[2:38] <Simonious> Triffid_Hunter: So... uh.. image processing on the raspi 2 - impossibly difficult? do you happen to know?
[2:38] <Triffid_Hunter> Simonious: no idea
[2:39] <Simonious> We've got an electron microscope here that we are thinking about tearing the task built computer off of and doing a bit of a rework :D
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[2:41] <McBride36> you could use python to do image processing
[2:41] <segv> ugh of course the only micro sd card I have doesn't work with raspberry pi 2 lol
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[2:46] <Simonious> McBride36: Tell me more about this plan. :)
[2:47] <McBride36> what sort of images?
[2:48] <Simonious> electron microscope images
[2:48] <McBride36> neat
[2:48] <McBride36> PIL/Pillow for image processing should work
[2:48] <Simonious> heh, never heard of it :D
[2:49] <McBride36> do you code in python?
[2:49] <Simonious> I have, but I'm not a pro
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[3:22] <Carrier_Lost> does Raspberry Pi 2 support 1080P quality video over XBMC?
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[3:22] <Triffid_Hunter> Carrier_Lost: the first one did, I can't imagine they've downgraded things
[3:23] * Tenkawa agrees
[3:23] <Tenkawa> the latest videocore should be able to
[3:23] <McBride36> Simonious, i've never used those libraries, what sort of image processing do you need done?
[3:23] <Tenkawa> I cant speak to it personally though
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[3:33] <pizearke> hi
[3:33] <Carrier_Lost> Would it work fluidly with XBMC installed?
[3:35] <Tenkawa> pizearke: hi
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[3:37] <pizearke> what's up?
[3:38] <pizearke> I'm considering getting a raspberry and I was wondering about a few things
[3:40] <pizearke> I'm an electronic musician who's computer completely shat all over him
[3:40] <pizearke> and I'm wondering if RP is good at all for sound
[3:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> for sound?
[3:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> Do you have a USB soundcard?
[3:41] <pizearke> actually I think I do
[3:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is your software compiled for RPi?
[3:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> Then you should be good to go
[3:41] <pizearke> I haven't settled on what software I want to use
[3:42] <pizearke> but is there no native sound capability?
[3:42] <cehteh> it has a quite noisy DAC
[3:42] <pizearke> not that that's a complete deal-breaker, I'm just curious
[3:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> What do you mean by native sound capability? There is mini jack out
[3:42] <pizearke> Ah :<
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[3:43] <pizearke> so the audio output isn't very good?
[3:43] <cehteh> also the processing power is not stellar, you wont be able to do very complex things, but for basic stuff it should be more than enough
[3:43] <pizearke> but I can use my usb soundcard if i want it better?
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[3:43] <pizearke> Something tells me there's going to be a lot of exporting and layering
[3:44] <cehteh> is that usb soundcard supported by linux?
[3:44] <pizearke> which I'm fine with
[3:44] <pizearke> lol no idea
[3:44] <pizearke> if not I can get a new one
[3:44] <cehteh> well that would be the first thing to find out
[3:45] <pizearke> I think it's a startech?
[3:45] <cehteh> mhm ardour is at least in raspbian on the pi, but i dont know how well it works
[3:46] <pizearke> "Compatible with Windows 98SE and up, as well as Mac OS 9.x and later"
[3:46] <pizearke> that doesn't bode well
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[3:46] <cehteh> you need to consider what software you want to run, rpi has a arm chip, not x86 and usually you run linux on it
[3:47] <cehteh> you are familar with that?
[3:47] <pizearke> yeah, I used ubuntu for like two years
[3:47] <pizearke> I'd still be using it, but my laptop doesn't have a bios and I gave up after like a week
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[3:48] <cehteh> the rpi has no bios either :D
[3:48] <pizearke> I think I remember reading about a music programming language a while back
[3:48] <McBride36> that'd be uh...
[3:48] <cehteh> puredata?
[3:48] <McBride36> max i think
[3:48] <pizearke> yeah, but it's not going to keep me from installing linux, i assume
[3:48] <Simonious> McBride36: I'm not sure of the details, I know the e-scope electronics are relatively easy to bypass..
[3:48] <pizearke> anyway, a sound-based programming language would probably be pretty resource efficient, right?
[3:49] <cehteh> depends on what you are doung
[3:49] <pizearke> moreso than a software sequencer or audacity or something?
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[3:49] <pizearke> I'm going to be synthesizing sounds and sequencing them
[3:49] <pizearke> and then mixing them
[3:49] <McBride36> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_%28software%29
[3:49] <cehteh> having some oscillators fart through the speakers would prolly be simple and not very demanding
[3:49] <McBride36> pizearke, check that
[3:49] <cehteh> if you do some complex acustic folding stuff then the pi might be not suitable
[3:49] <pizearke> what about like
[3:49] <pizearke> 4,000 oscillators?
[3:50] <cehteh> check for puredata too
[3:50] <pizearke> that would probably be what I'm using on average
[3:50] <cehteh> its packacked on the pi as i see
[3:50] <pizearke> sweet!
[3:51] <pizearke> but yeah, most of what I'm going to be doing is additive, subtractive, FM and phase distortion synthesis and sampling
[3:51] <pizearke> which, to my knowledge, is relatively easy on resources
[3:51] <cehteh> i have no idea if the pi can do that well
[3:52] <pizearke> I can only hope
[3:52] <cehteh> as its in ram only and as long you dont need too much ram it might be fine, prolly worth a try
[3:52] <pizearke> so it's between my ram and my sd card, right?
[3:54] <cehteh> sd card is quite slow esp when you do parallel transfers
[3:54] <pizearke> what do you normally use for storage?
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[3:54] <cehteh> sd card :D
[3:54] <cehteh> but i dont do realtime audio generation
[3:54] <pizearke> works
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[3:55] <cehteh> well only sample data might be bullky, just give it a try
[3:55] <Ryzari> if you're wanting to even attempt to generate decent sound fro mthe pi, should prolly look into something like: http://www.hifiberry.com/dac
[3:55] <pizearke> an external soundcard, right?
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[3:56] <cehteh> i love how all kinds of extension of the pi sprout along .. most of them more expensive than the pi itself :D
[3:56] <pizearke> ooh I like this
[3:57] <Ryzari> actually that's the old model.. http://www.hifiberry.com/dacplus is for B+/2B
[3:57] <pizearke> sweet
[3:57] <pizearke> okay last question
[3:58] <pizearke> probably
[3:58] <pizearke> probably not
[3:58] <pizearke> monitor situation
[3:58] <pizearke> what's the video output?
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[3:59] <cehteh> hdmi
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[3:59] <cehteh> (or composite, but no one uses that seriously)
[4:00] <pizearke> I think I have a monitor that takes composite :O
[4:00] <pizearke> idk if it still works
[4:00] <cehteh> lol
[4:01] <pizearke> I think I can make this work
[4:01] <cehteh> if you have a vga monitor you are out of the game (adapters are expensive), any digital (DP, DVI, HDMI) should be simple
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[4:02] <cehteh> oh i just see vga adapters are not that expensive .. well still sux
[4:02] <Ryzari> yea, like $30-$50 for hmdi>vga adapter.. might as well get new monitor
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[4:03] <pizearke> I should just get a monitor
[4:03] <Ullarah> I have a cga monitor in the back shed.
[4:03] <cehteh> lol
[4:04] <Ullarah> It'd probably blow up if I turned it on.
[4:04] <Ullarah> Haven't turned it on in about 15 years.
[4:04] <Ryzari> stored in a shed, it's prolly got some serious corrosion inside
[4:05] <Ryzari> and spiders.. lots of spiders
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[4:05] <Ullarah> Spiders I don't care about.
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[4:05] <Ullarah> < Australian :P
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[4:05] <Ryzari> shit, then you should care about em more than most.. since they can all kill ya
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[4:07] <pizearke> thanks for your help amigos
[4:07] <pizearke> I need to go to bed
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[4:26] <acidjazz> Ryzari: oo whats this
[4:26] <acidjazz> a DAC for the pi?
[4:26] <acidjazz> htast pretty cool
[4:26] <acidjazz> i wonder how it pairs up w/ hifi people
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[5:21] <Zesty> Hello... I'm new to raspberry pi (and linux really). I'm kind of fumbling around trying to use hid_LINUX.c (rawhid library to connect to USB hid devices)
[5:21] <Zesty> im using libusb
[5:21] <Zesty> This line is failing
[5:21] <Zesty> if (usb_claim_interface(u, i) < 0) { printf(" unable claim interface %d\n", i);
[5:21] <Zesty> ive been trying to google and I can't really find much about it other than some kind of black list... whcih im trying to do but
[5:21] <Zesty> not quite sure if thats right
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[5:38] <Cess1090> hmm..is there a way (via software) to determine how many amps are coming out of a usb port?
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[5:40] <abnormal> not that I know of. but generally rule of thumb, each port are limited to 300 to 500 mA
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[6:01] <cehteh> Cess1090: there are some sysfs entries, for whats granted/acknowleged, but not whats really drawn
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[6:02] <cehteh> at the pi usb is hooked directly to the 5V rail (over some fuses on older pi's)
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[6:27] <programmerq> Hello. I have a ttl serial converter (http://tinyurl.com/nlc23st) with three pins connected. GND BLK -> 6, RXI-> 8, TXO-> 10. Using raspbian, I have serial console enabled. using minicom, I can see output from the pi, but the pi never receives any of my input.
[6:27] <programmerq> Might I be wiring the ttl converter incorrectly? is "minicom -b 115200 -o -D /dev/ttyUSB0" the wrong command?
[6:28] <Triffid_Hunter> programmerq: your serial converter puts out 5v signals. you probably fried the RPi's receive pin
[6:28] <programmerq> ah
[6:29] <programmerq> that sucks
[6:29] <Triffid_Hunter> programmerq: there are warnings all over the place about the RPi's inputs not being 5v tolerant ;)
[6:29] <programmerq> oh, I am well aware, I was just a little too excited to try the ttl converter I got.
[6:30] <Triffid_Hunter> two resistors would have saved it - a 1k8 and 3k3 set up as a divider
[6:30] <programmerq> yeah, I've certainly learned my lesson
[6:32] <programmerq> okay, so here comes my noob questions then-- it appears in the description of the amazon link that this is a 3.3v board. what is it you are seeing there that says "this is definitely 5v"?
[6:32] <programmerq> or is it simply my symptoms that say that.
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[6:34] <Triffid_Hunter> programmerq: I can't see any mention of I/O voltages, which most of the time means it's 5v
[6:34] <programmerq> got it
[6:35] <programmerq> so being able to get output, but not input is a typical sign of burned out pins then?
[6:36] <Triffid_Hunter> yes. the serial converter will happily read a 3.3v signal, but the RPi cannot handle 5v signals
[6:37] <Triffid_Hunter> there are some 3.3v chips that can handle 5v signals (LPC1768/mbed is one I'm familiar with), but the RPi's SOC is not one of them
[6:37] <ShorTie> 'with three pins connected. GND BLK -> 6, RXI-> 8, TXO-> 10.' where does it say you hooked up 3.3 volts ??
[6:38] <programmerq> it sounds like the TXO pin outputs 5v high when it's sending.
[6:38] <ShorTie> maybe 'if' you hook up 3.3v it will switch to 3.3v, bu not hooking it up it does 5v
[6:38] <programmerq> Triffid_Hunter: so if I were to do this over and not kill my pins, where do I put those resistors?
[6:38] <Triffid_Hunter> programmerq: oh just looked at more of the pictures, it has a voltage select solder jumper on the back
[6:39] <Triffid_Hunter> which looks like it's set to 5v by default
[6:39] <programmerq> so I should short the 3.3 side so I don't kill my other pi
[6:40] <Triffid_Hunter> programmerq: you have to cut the link to 5v first
[6:40] <Triffid_Hunter> then solder the center pad to 3.3v
[6:40] <programmerq> the pads on the 5v side don't look to be connected.
[6:41] <ShorTie> and then i'd measure it with meter just to double check
[6:41] <Triffid_Hunter> programmerq: it connects to the via between the TX and RX pin labels
[6:42] <piney0> if you short the tx and rx together on the pi, you can confirm if they are indeed fried or not. using minicom and echo off, you should see on the screen anything that's typed in.
[6:43] <programmerq> ah yeah, that's true.
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[6:45] <programmerq> minicom echo off, pins 8 and 10 shorted, I get output
[6:45] <programmerq> I bet I could do the same thing on the ttl adapter to make sure it is working properly.
[6:47] <programmerq> hmmm, interesting. I get no output from minicom echo off with the "RXD" and "TXD" pins shorted on the ttl adapter.
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[6:49] <piney0> from here, i'd be double checking ttyUSB0 is the correct device or not.
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[6:49] <programmerq> I get input from the pi on that device
[6:49] <programmerq> and it only exists when my adapter is plugged in
[6:50] <programmerq> get output* from the pi
[6:50] <piney0> fair enough
[6:51] <programmerq> the worst part of this endeavor is that I had the same problem with another adapter. I've got to be missing something obvious.
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[6:58] <piney0> programmerq, very wild guess, but permissions? you can read but not write.
[6:58] <Triffid_Hunter> maybe it's one of those chips where it won't write anything until there's 64 bytes in the buffer?
[6:58] <programmerq> I've tried with and without root running minicom.
[6:59] <programmerq> I did notice that if I try to pipe something to it outside minicom, it just seems to kind of hang.
[6:59] <programmerq> hmmm
[7:00] <programmerq> well, I'm going to call it a night. I'll see if I can have one of my friends with a working adapter show me what's up.
[7:02] <piney0> only other thing i can think of trying is a slower baud rate
[7:02] <piney0> shouldn't be an issue though.
[7:08] <programmerq> yeah, I can try that too in the morning.
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[7:08] <programmerq> thanks everyone!
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[8:33] <Boscop> hi, smart folks! I'm setting up a samba server on my pi, but i want to encrypt the drives so that a person who has physical access to them can't access the files, only me when i login to the pi over the internet. how can i encrypt the drives this way?
[8:35] <Boscop> the reason is, i'm going abroad for a year and i'm sending my drives with the pi to my parents so they will connect it to the net, but i don't want them to be able to access my files if they connect the drives to their PC
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[8:39] <Myrtti> luks is the answer
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[8:47] <Triffid_Hunter> Boscop: just put btrfs or zfs or something like that on, their computer likely won't have a clue
[8:49] <Boscop> Triffid_Hunter: yes, but is there a way to convert a fat32 or ntfs drive to btrfs without destroying the filse?
[8:49] <Boscop> files*
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[8:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Boscop: no easy way
[8:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Boscop: but there's no easy way to put encryption either
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[8:51] <H__> Boscop: on the same block device ? no
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[8:52] <H__> I agree with Myrtti, use LUKS between the block device and your filesystem
[8:52] <Boscop> Triffid_Hunter, H: or is there a way to put an autostart script that will tell windows the drives aren't readable? or write something to the disk so it's only readable by the Pi?
[8:53] <H__> windows ? ms-windows ? enoclue
[8:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Boscop: you could mark it as something else in the partition table and see what happens.. I doubt mount.vfat is gonna care what the partition table says, but windows might
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[8:54] <Boscop> Triffid_Hunter: how can i do that (without screwing up the files)?
[8:55] <Triffid_Hunter> Boscop: point cfdisk at the drive.. always a real risk of losing everything when you play with the partition table though
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[8:59] <Boscop> :/
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[9:33] <Sonny_Jim> Does the Pi1 have some kind of limiter on the sound hardware?
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[9:35] <ShorTie> not that i'm awear of
[9:36] <ShorTie> why ??
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[9:37] <Sonny_Jim> When I start to clip using SDL2_mixer, it seems to turn the volume down for a few seconds
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[9:39] <ShorTie> interesting
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[9:40] <ShorTie> might seem goofy, but how is your +5 holding up
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[9:54] <ubik> hi. can anyone recommend a raspberry2 build to be used as a router with a usb wifi? i need a very standard build with parts that are common and well-tested
[9:55] <ubik> (will be potentially making many of these)
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[9:55] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[9:55] <Sonny_Jim> The USB throughput isn't great
[9:55] <ubik> well, it doesn't need to be great, just good enough.
[9:56] <ubik> i'd be happy with 1-2MB/s
[9:56] <cehteh> that should work
[9:56] <Tachyon`> you'll get about 5 probably
[9:56] <Tachyon`> that was my experience when testing doing that witha pi 1
[9:56] <cehteh> prolly more
[9:56] <cehteh> pi2
[9:56] <Tachyon`> that won't help
[9:56] <Tachyon`> the bottleneck is the same
[9:56] <ubik> what it does need to be able to do is handle some crypto without pants falling down
[9:56] <cehteh> i tested the pi2 and it can satuate the ethernet through usb
[9:56] <Sonny_Jim> Considering most people have connections that are greater than 5MB/s now, it seems silly
[9:57] <cehteh> crypto is quite slow
[9:57] <Tachyon`> 5MB is like 40mbit
[9:57] <Sonny_Jim> Ah yeah, right you are
[9:57] <Sonny_Jim> Damn you ISPs for using mbits
[9:57] <cehteh> yeah i got 98mbit tcp .. thats great
[9:57] <Tachyon`> but you're going in and out through the same USB prot
[9:57] * Sonny_Jim shakes fist
[9:57] <ubik> well we should be speaking in MiB, etc but :)
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[9:58] <cehteh> ubik: crypto is relative slow on the pi, at least for encrypted sd card, but i guess that counts for network traffic as well
[9:58] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[9:58] <Sonny_Jim> encrypted traffic doesn't get decrypted by the router
[9:58] <cehteh> depends
[9:58] <cehteh> mitm router :)
[9:59] <ubik> i'm looking at using it for i2p
[9:59] <cehteh> thats java or?
[9:59] <cehteh> have fun ..
[9:59] <cehteh> i doubt that'll work well
[10:00] <ubik> i2pd is c++
[10:00] <Sonny_Jim> ubik: I would look at something that was OpenWRT based tbh
[10:00] <Sonny_Jim> Considering OpenWRT is built for routers and all
[10:00] <cehteh> i2p isnt something normal routers do
[10:01] <ubik> true, but I need something more malleable than a linksys for superfluous detail I won't go into here
[10:01] <cehteh> and many routers are even more modest hardware than the pi .. sub 100mhz mips or whatever
[10:01] <Sonny_Jim> Without stating your requirements, we can't tell you if the Pi can handle them
[10:01] <cehteh> better get one pi. evaluate it
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[10:01] <cehteh> but dont expect anyone did your job already
[10:01] <ubik> can you recc. a stable usb wifi adapter for this build?
[10:02] <cehteh> s. wiki
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[10:02] <ubik> i'm coming from the arduino side of things, so this is my first foray into pi land
[10:03] <cehteh> i get quite good performance from my pi2, but it surely has its limits
[10:03] <cehteh> not using it as router
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[10:04] <cehteh> but you'll end up with some serious tinkering and experimentation when you want to do such a project
[10:04] <ubik> yeah, i'm not expecting great performance. it just needs to be good enough and functional for the given use case.
[10:04] <cehteh> get one, try it
[10:04] <Sonny_Jim> CPU wise the Pi2 is quite a bit better, USB/Network wise it's the same
[10:05] <cehteh> ram wise its much better, that was the bottleneck before
[10:05] <Sonny_Jim> RAM speeds are up?
[10:05] <Sonny_Jim> Or just more of it?
[10:05] <cehteh> no but it doesnt need to swap anymore and caches way more stuff
[10:05] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: More and much improved CPU cache
[10:05] <cehteh> my old pib was one of the first, 256mb only :)
[10:05] <Sonny_Jim> Xark: Ah ok, thanks
[10:06] <Sonny_Jim> tbh I've never had to use swap in my projects, only when I've been compiling stupid things like MAME
[10:07] <cehteh> just for fun i did a git gc on the kernel tree and it completed in reasonable time
[10:07] <Sonny_Jim> Took 3 days for MAME/MESS iirc
[10:07] <cehteh> hha
[10:07] <Sonny_Jim> GNU Radio was about the same
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[10:07] <Sonny_Jim> Linking took something like 9hrs
[10:07] <cehteh> kernel compiles are now feasible on the pi too, take less than half a day :D
[10:08] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: This was on RPi1?
[10:08] <Sonny_Jim> Xark: Yes
[10:08] <cehteh> that was certainly because of limited ram
[10:08] <Sonny_Jim> The linking part, sure
[10:08] <Sonny_Jim> linking + swap = lol slow
[10:08] <cehteh> swapping to hell
[10:09] <cehteh> i've enabled zswap here on the pi2 .. even processes which need close to 2GB ram run fast
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[10:11] <ubik> i'm looking at this usb wifi: http://goo.gl/dgQHSC
[10:11] <ubik> it works with netbsd out of the box, also
[10:11] <Xark> ubik: I am using exactly that (I believe). Works effortlessly for me.
[10:12] <ubik> 👍
[10:12] <cehteh> ralink chipset or what?
[10:12] <cehteh> close to no antenna, cant be good :D
[10:12] <ubik> realtek
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[10:13] <Xark> Hmm...Yes. Realtek RTL8188CUS (from lsusb)
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[10:13] <ubik> it's very tiny, works well enough, no hacking needed. cheap. all good things
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[10:14] <cehteh> as long you need no longer range its prolly ok ..
[10:14] <cehteh> for the same room or so
[10:15] <ubik> no i'm not using these for wardriving or anything
[10:15] <Xark> cehteh: Hmm, working for me from (nearly) the far side of my house (large one story).
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[10:15] <Xark> Lemme see if I can check "bars" or something...
[10:16] <cehteh> cardboard house? .. we have 70cm thick sandstone walls here :D
[10:16] <ubik> ^ al qaeda
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[10:16] <ShorTie> did you know, laptop have a wifi antenea that wraps up around the screen ??
[10:17] <cehteh> yes
[10:17] <cehteh> still i need a repeater in the dinning room to get across the house
[10:18] <ubik> ot: my local county sheriff just got approval for a stingray
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[10:19] <Sonny_Jim> Also one thing to bear in mind, WiFi is Tx and Rx. Doesn't matter if you have the best antenna in the world, if your router has a rusty nail as an antenna you ain't going to be able to talk to it
[10:19] <Xark> I must have cheap walls or a good wifi router or something. I never have trouble. My tablet wifi works in the driveway...
[10:19] <ubik> same
[10:20] <Xark> ubik: Time for a Blackphone? :)
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[10:21] <ShorTie> encypted ham radio is the only real way to communicate without being intercepted
[10:22] <ubik> i don't put anything critical on a smartphone. :)
[10:22] <Xark> ShorTie: 4...2...6...3...8...9...4...2...8...4...0...1... :)
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[10:22] <ubik> exception would be google authenticator.
[10:23] <ShorTie> google, lol.
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[10:23] <ShorTie> they in bed with the fed/nsa/fbi/.....
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[10:24] <ubik> i don't use google 2fa to keep the government out, i do it to keep from hijacking
[10:25] <Xark> Of course our glorious government is welcome at any time! They are our friends... :)
[10:25] * Xark waves to the monitors
[10:26] <ubik> i take all necessary precautions against our mutual adversary.
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[10:27] <Xark> Yep, North Korea... :)
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[10:28] <Sonny_Jim> Xark: Surely you mean, 4-5-4-3-1, 4-5-4-3-1
[10:28] <Sonny_Jim> 5FG repeated ;-)
[10:29] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: Shhhh.... :)
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[10:33] * Xark gets about a 30% increase on his CPU bound test app from using gcc-4.8 along with RPi2 cpu/fpu options and -mthumb. The -mbthumb is mildly surprising (but I guess smaller is faster and Thumb2 is a pretty good ISA vs Thumb1).
[10:35] <ubik> does llvm work on raspberry pi
[10:35] <ubik> someone mentioned long compiles earlier... llvm would improve that.
[10:35] <Xark> ubik: Yes, I believe there is clang
[10:36] <Xark> I haven't tried that...
[10:37] <ubik> llvm 3.2+
[10:38] <ubik> relevant thread: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2015-February/082201.html
[10:39] <ubik> long debug cycles, that.
[10:39] <ubik> first stage is 10+ hours
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[10:43] <ubik> when products exist like this: http://www.getmagicnow.com/ it makes debugging painful. cognitive dissonance
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[10:44] <Xark> Hmm, well the clang++ on Rasbian is borked AFAICT (Debian 3.0-6.2). Gets assembler error/warning messages compiling and is missing libraries (or something).
[10:44] <Qwertie> Does raspbian use systemd or init.d?
[10:45] <Xark> Looks like systemd (or it least it has systemd installed).
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[10:46] <Qwertie> I was just following a guide to set up a service and got this "-bash: systemctl: command not found"
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[10:51] <djazz> Qwertie: is it a guide for Arch Linux ARM?
[10:51] <ShorTie> although systemd is there, i think it's more init.d
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[10:52] <Qwertie> djazz, The guide just says "Modern Linux distributions: Arch, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Debian (Jessie)"
[10:53] <Qwertie> is sysctl the same command for debian?
[10:53] <djazz> Qwertie: Rapsbian is Wheezy afaik
[10:53] <ShorTie> just going by spindle and init-system-helpers/module-init-tools/sysvinit-utils stuff
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[10:54] <ShorTie> raspbian is more old stable then 'Modern Linux distributions'
[10:54] <ubik> systemd :(
[10:55] <ubik> systemd is okay, but i prefer linux.
[10:55] <djazz> ubik: what? xD
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[10:55] <ubik> it was a joke, sorry
[10:55] <ubik> a twist on the old "emacs is okay, but i prefer unix"
[10:56] <Ullarah> What ever happened to the good ol' sysvinit :(
[10:56] * Ullarah strokes his beard and gets grumpy
[10:56] <ShorTie> went out with systemd
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[10:56] <Ullarah> <insert profanity here>
[10:56] <ubik> sysvinit has its gaps but systemd is not the right solution
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> Lennart - why we can't have nice things.
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[10:57] <ubik> i would have preferred launchd, if we were going that way
[10:57] <Ullarah> Launchd is oookkaayyy I guess...
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[10:58] <ubik> well, if my choices are: systemd, launchd or gulag ... i'll pick launchd
[10:58] <ubik> i can work with plists.
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[10:58] <Ullarah> This is why I'm happy using freebsd on my rpi.
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[10:59] <ubik> i thought launchd or something like it was being considered for fbsd.
[10:59] <Ullarah> Yeah, considered :P
[11:00] <ubik> jordan hubbard is back from his tour in vietnam ^H^H^H^H^H^H^Happle
[11:00] <Ullarah> Either that, or I'm going back to gentoo if possible.
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[11:00] <ubik> actually apple is okay. i jest
[11:00] <Ullarah> I think there is a debian fork without systemd (on jessie), devian or something.
[11:01] <Ullarah> Ah, https://devuan.org/
[11:01] <ubik> i used to be a gentoo dev (back in the daniel robbins era), my advice is don't. it was pretty goofed up the last time i looked at it (about 5-6 months ago)
[11:01] <Ullarah> Oh really? Haven't used gentoo for a good 5 years now :/
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[11:01] <ubik> yeah, profile was pretty messed up. lots of breakage everywhere in the limited stuff i tried to do.
[11:02] <Ullarah> Damn :(
[11:02] <Ullarah> I stick to debian on my main workstation with sid, but I've used this, http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
[11:02] <Ullarah> Chromium is a stickler for systemd though :P
[11:02] <ShorTie> Gentoo losing all there old wiki's kinda hurt, imho
[11:04] <ubik> past 2004 i couldn't do it anymore. colleagues like gregkh moved on to bigger and better things. lost a lot of good people
[11:05] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: It's no interesting wikis
[11:05] <SpeedEvil> asha X (android) and windows
[11:07] <ShorTie> i liked them, and not all have been reproduced last i played
[11:08] <ubik> i keep hearing how gentoo is used at google so much, but like openssl, i don't see them putting back except the occasional summer of code thing.
[11:09] <ubik> portage is in Chromium OS
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[11:12] <SpeedEvil> ShorTie: err - nvm - context failure
[11:12] <SpeedEvil> I was talking about the recent announcemnt of the nokia development wikis shutting down
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[11:50] <niston> hm
[11:50] <niston> designing a complete IP network for a pharmacy firm
[11:51] <niston> the hardware alone will cost around 500k
[11:51] <niston> haha xD
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[11:54] <ubik> when i see the word 'pharmacy' my brain just immediately thinks 'spam'
[11:54] <niston> lol
[11:58] <niston> the most expensive medication they make is 90k
[11:58] <niston> per pack of 3 pills or something
[11:58] <niston> I don't think they sell that via spam mails ;)
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[12:04] <ShorTie> i, personally, rank pharmacies right up there with with doctors in a goverment run monoply of extortionists
[12:05] <niston> yep
[12:07] <ShorTie> but any ways, sounds like you got a cool profitable project there
[12:07] <ppq> the possibilities are endless with a little moral flexibility
[12:08] <ppq> ;p
[12:08] <niston> :>
[12:08] <niston> its so expensive because redundancy
[12:08] <niston> "business continuity" is the word of the hour
[12:08] <ShorTie> oh, the cyb thingy, lol.
[12:09] <ShorTie> or there's i guess
[12:09] <niston> CI/B you mean?
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[12:09] <niston> thats software development though.
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[12:13] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid, you guys should do a stackable case if you don't already.
[12:14] <ShorTie> oh woo, Food Lion now catergorizes your receipt now, nifty
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[12:23] <niston> grr. got a bigger ashtray. now there's more ash. -.-
[12:24] <ShorTie> oh, i can't stand more then about 3 butts in a tray, i'm constantly dumping
[12:25] <Armand> Ohh my!
[12:25] <niston> I seem to postpone it till overflow ;|
[12:26] <Ullarah> There is one solution to your ashtray problem :P
[12:26] <niston> I know.
[12:26] <Ullarah> :D
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[12:29] <ppq> its funny how people say quitting is too hard for them when it's actually super easy
[12:30] <ShorTie> yup, it's all mind over matter after 20 minutes
[12:30] <Armand> I don't mind, so it doesn't matter.
[12:30] <ShorTie> but my mind don't matter, lol.
[12:30] <niston> I dont think it's too hard to quit.
[12:30] <niston> I just dont want to :D
[12:36] <ShorTie> blaaa, 55f and rain today, 27f and 10" of snow tomorrow .. :(~
[12:36] <ubik> niston: the $90k stuff is probably the Hep C medication (Sovaldi)
[12:36] <ubik> robbery.
[12:36] <thescatman> ShorTie, I can't even get addicted
[12:36] <thescatman> which is nice
[12:36] <Ullarah> ShorTie, clear and sunny, possible 44c for me.
[12:36] <thescatman> niston *
[12:37] <niston> ubik: yup that could be it
[12:37] <niston> Ullarah: lets move where you live.
[12:37] <niston> *to*
[12:37] <ubik> costs them like $40-50 to produce a full course, they sell it for $100k
[12:37] <Ullarah> Yeah, you don't wanna do that.
[12:37] <niston> why not?
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[12:38] <niston> sunshine, interrupted by bomb rain?
[12:38] <Ullarah> I live in <insert expletive here> nowhere.
[12:38] <Ullarah> In Australia too :P
[12:38] <niston> oh
[12:38] <niston> Tansania?
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[12:38] <ubik> oh. man, that gives me flashbacks of wolf creek.
[12:39] <Ullarah> Bwahaha!
[12:39] <Ullarah> Well I get ADSL1, so I guess I'm not /that/ bad.
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[12:39] <ubik> the thing that made that movie stick was it's based on a true story
[12:40] <ubik> i bought the book on ivan milat after i watched that
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[12:43] <niston> lol. I'm just using pythagoras in a real world application
[12:43] <niston> so not all school maths is completely useless!
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[12:50] <xreal> I think, I'll drop my RPi... performance on USB is too bad. 1.3 MB/s is too slow for transferring files (via Samba to USB flash drive).
[12:51] <niston> might as well use a mobile phone for a NAS application :P
[12:51] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that's not really what the pi is for.
[12:51] <shiftplusone> If you want a NAS, buy a NAS.
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> xreal: you sure it's not the USB flash?
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[12:51] <xreal> SpeedEvil: 3,9 MB/s via DD and 22 MB/s (read and write) on a normal linux system.
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[12:52] <xreal> SpeedEvil: other benchmarks are pretty equal (but faster a bit): http://www.htpcguides.com/raspberry-pi-vs-pi-2-vs-banana-pi-pro-benchmarks/
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Contention between the network and USB is never very good
[12:52] <xreal> SpeedEvil: the bananaPi and RPIv2 are _much_ better performing.
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> And the fact that there is only one USB port shared between all four ports and network is insane
[12:52] <xreal> So, I'll drop my RPi (v1) for RPi (v2) or Banana.
[12:52] <Sonny_Jim> xreal: Err
[12:53] <Sonny_Jim> You realise that the network/USB situation is the same in the Pi2?
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[12:53] <niston> does the bananapi have dedicated SATA lines into the SoC?
[12:53] <niston> or is it just an USB/SATA bridge?
[12:53] <xreal> Sonny_Jim & niston: please have a look at the website, I've just posted.
[12:53] <xreal> This will answer your questions.
[12:53] <Sonny_Jim> I don't have any questions
[12:53] <xreal> Sonny_Jim: Sonny_Jim> You realise that the network/USB situation is the same in the Pi2?
[12:53] <xreal> Sonny_Jim: that was a question, wasn't it?
[12:53] <Sonny_Jim> I was lead to believe that it was
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[12:54] <xreal> Sonny_Jim: use a ! instead of a ? :)
[12:54] <Sonny_Jim> The only that was changed was better CPU + more memory
[12:54] <Ullarah> Whatever you do, don't go down the road to buying a rockchip SoC... Bought a radxa rock pro and a firefly board... they are great boards and all, they just have little to no community behind them.
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> The banana has gigabit ethernet - not on USB - SATA, and two unhubbed USB2 jacks
[12:54] <xreal> Sonny_Jim: yeah, but writing to USB via network does perform much better on v2 than on v1.
[12:54] <xreal> SpeedEvil: they've tested 100 and 1000 mbit/s.
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> It is a totally different class of device.
[12:54] <xreal> SpeedEvil: doesn't differ much.
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[12:54] <niston> SpeedEvil: good to kow
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[12:55] <xreal> SpeedEvil: but, like I said, RPi (v2) works much better on samba.
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[12:55] <xreal> BananPi v2 will break things, again, since it also uses 4 cores. Only $49 :(
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[12:56] <xreal> SpeedEvil: perhaps my USB flash drive isn't compatible with RaspberryPI (v1) ?
[12:56] <xreal> SpeedEvil: 3.9 MB/s writing via dd seems to be too slow.
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[12:56] <SpeedEvil> xreal: err 'Performing the same test over gigabit ethernet, the Banana Pi Pro scored an impressive 470 Mbit/s which is 6.91x faster than the Raspberry Pi and 5.91x faster than the Raspberry Pi 2.
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> (iperf)
[12:57] <shiftplusone> Re USB bandwidth. Yes, the situation is the same on the pi2, but you have a lot more clock cycles to play with. Before, you could hit line speed and be using about 80% of the CPU, not leaving much room for other overheads introduced by samba. So when you tried to use samba, the speed would drop because the CPU couldn't keep up. That's not an issue on the pi 2 and you should have more bandwidth to play with. I think you should be able
[12:57] <shiftplusone> to hit 20MB/s if you do it right.
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> yes - you should not be hitting 4M/s on USB flash
[12:57] <xreal> SpeedEvil: why do they get more in the benchmark? :)
[12:58] <Sonny_Jim> Interesting, I'd assumed that the I/O performance of the Pi2 would be similar to the Pi1
[12:58] <xreal> SpeedEvil: So they faked the results?
[12:58] <Sonny_Jim> More likely they tested wrong
[12:59] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, nope. And the memory speeds are going to double (from what they are now) soon.
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> xreal: err - no - you can get 30M/s on USB flash on Pi
[12:59] <Sonny_Jim> shiftplusone: Why soon?
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> xreal: It's possible you have something screwy going on. You get 4M - with no network activity?
[12:59] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, figuring out the best way to do it.
[12:59] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[12:59] <xreal> SpeedEvil: it's a freshly set up raspbmc.
[12:59] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I'd be hasty in throwing around figures until it actually works ;-)
[12:59] <xreal> SpeedEvil: I'm logged in via ssh only (that's the main activity)
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: USB scheduling issues are likely to play a part, I suspect
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[13:00] <shiftplusone> Could replicate the results and pass it to the USB wizard here to explain, I guess.
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: Does he have a robe and hat?
[13:01] <xreal> lsusb tells me: "Port 2: Dev 4, If 0, Class=stor., Driver=usb-storage, 480M"
[13:01] <shiftplusone> Of course
[13:01] <xreal> SpeedEvil: Shall I reinstall anything?
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> xreal: yes - you care about the relative timeslices given tot he storage and network card - Idon't know how to get that
[13:02] <SpeedEvil> I have real doubts a reinstall will do anything
[13:02] <xreal> SpeedEvil: you accused me of messing around :)
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[13:03] <mortal> shiftplusone: I can read 43 MB/s from two raid0 usb sticks on pi2
[13:03] <shiftplusone> Think I get those speeds from my HDD without raid
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[13:05] <mortal> what will come after pi2, pi3
[13:05] <mortal> ?
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[13:06] <Sonny_Jim> Pi4
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> xreal: I do't think I did.
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> I hope that the Pi2 processor is not completely limited to what it's doing in the Pi2
[13:06] <Sonny_Jim> (it's powers of2)
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[13:07] <SpeedEvil> Losing the USB hub chip and adding a onboard ethernet is the obvious next thing
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[13:07] <chris_99> USB3 would be nice too
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[13:08] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
[13:08] <SpeedEvil> USB3 still has issues
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[13:10] <ShorTie> our wish list for the if/when rpi3 is long, getting any of them, is well, we'll see i guess at best .. :/~
[13:11] <Armand> Gb ethernet would be nice..
[13:13] <mortal> are there any 16+ cpu arm boards
[13:13] <mortal> or core
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[13:14] <chris_99> i think Tilera have a 100 core ARM ;)
[13:14] <ShorTie> but since the rpi2 wasn't suppost to be released till 2017/Eben, and it was only released early because of compitition, imho, rpi3 will be interesting at best
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[13:20] <fawgkroh> Hi. I am using lightdm and xfce4 from Raspbian Repos .. I installed all xfce4-* packages .. but i cannot reboot or shutdown through the LogOutDialog without having to enter password .. anyone here with experience with xfce4 on RPi ?
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[13:24] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, not quite true about the pi being released earlier than planned.
[13:25] <ShorTie> so Eben lied 6 moths ago when he said it wasn't gonna be released till 2017 ??
[13:25] <mortal> pi is a good platform because it is open and supported
[13:25] <mortal> even though it is not at the top in performance
[13:27] <shiftplusone> If you want to look at it that way (and I think you do). He actually misspoke in the interview and that became the headline. I don't expect you to believe that because "how convenient" and all that, but whatever.
[13:27] <ShorTie> it's the community that makes the pi, imho
[13:27] <niston> ShorTie: I wouldn't call it a lie.
[13:27] <niston> rather, adaption to evolving markets.
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[13:28] <niston> or simply tactics to keep the element of surprise :D
[13:28] <Ullarah> RPi2+
[13:28] * ShorTie really doesn't want to get into that conversation here, because it is no help to the community
[13:28] <Ullarah> Damn it irssi
[13:28] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, thanks
[13:29] <Ullarah> My irssi didn't update, was answering a question from over 30 minutes ago.
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[13:37] <SpeedEvil> It's impossible to tell a lie from truth and changing circumstances without lots more data.
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> It's not productive
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[13:37] <SpeedEvil> Expecting cast-iron future announcements from people is insane
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> (unless you have an actual contract, with monetary damages)
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[13:42] * ShorTie feels he did have 'monetary damages', but that is a different subject/story not be be discussed
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[13:56] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, I think if somebody wants to make that claim, they should go to court. I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing it, but it's a legal matter and throwing accusations around is easy and accomplishes nothing but create a negative/toxic environment.
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[13:59] <MY123> I don't think that the RPi3 would have a Broadcom Vulkan CPU
[14:00] <MY123> (ARMv8)
[14:00] <shiftplusone> Well, there are resellers who have huge b+ stocks, so I think it would be up to them.
[14:00] <Tenkawa> Anyone got any good config.txt recommendations for a headless rpi2 servr if I want to squueze more out of it without overpushing it to the point of failure
[14:00] <Tenkawa> the gpu can be completely set to lowest possible
[14:00] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa, you're not going to squeeze anything out of config.txt
[14:01] <shiftplusone> unless you want to overclock
[14:01] <shiftplusone> In which case there's no generic answer, as each pi will overclock differently.
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[14:02] <MY123> Tenkawa: using GPGPU on a headless server?
[14:02] <Tenkawa> yes overclocking... I mean in general.. nothing is written in stone.. I think most of us realize that
[14:03] <Tenkawa> MY123: no.. completely not using the gpu
[14:03] <MY123> Tenkawa, on my RPi2, I use a GPU sha256sum and sha1sum
[14:03] <Tenkawa> eh?
[14:04] <Tenkawa> OH
[14:04] <Tenkawa> you mean sha1sum written to utilize the gpu?
[14:04] <MY123> Tenkawa, and the QPUs are power-gated down when not used
[14:04] <MY123> Tenkawa, yes
[14:04] <Tenkawa> as part of the algorithm processing
[14:04] <Tenkawa> nice
[14:04] <Tenkawa> yeah that would be nice.. kinda like nvidia has been doing i think with cuda
[14:05] <MY123> Tenkawa: There is GPGPU on the Pi
[14:05] <MY123> Tenkawa: and there is an LLVM port for the QPUs
[14:05] <Tenkawa> hmm I'll have to do some reading on that
[14:05] <Tenkawa> ooh.. llvm/clang?
[14:05] <MY123> (so I just had to compile and to change a few things)
[14:05] <MY123> Tenkawa, yeah
[14:05] <Tenkawa> nice
[14:05] <MY123> simonjhall did it
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[14:06] <Tenkawa> thats actually pretty cool
[14:06] <Tenkawa> tie that in with distcc :)
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[14:07] <MY123> Tenkawa: as the VPU is only 250MHz
[14:07] <MY123> ...
[14:07] <MY123> It is actually slower than the host CPU
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[14:07] <Tenkawa> yeah
[14:07] <MY123> There is two VPUs
[14:07] <Tenkawa> still neat though
[14:08] <Tenkawa> one thing that would probably help me is trimming the kernel itself down
[14:08] <Tenkawa> take out a lot of the infrastructural handling stuff I dont need
[14:09] <Tenkawa> since mine are basicly for compiling armv7 code
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[14:16] <Tenkawa> lets see how linux-next-4.0 runs on these new rpi2s
[14:16] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[14:20] <engblom> When it comes to BSD, what is the support for pi 2?
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[14:21] <Tenkawa> I think I've seen freebsd support... however dont quote me on that
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[14:22] <Froolap> I dunno. I'm not seeing anything saying it suports the new pi 2 b, I know that there used to be images for the pi B+, but nothing tells me which is for which....
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[14:23] <Tenkawa> maybe not
[14:23] <Froolap> I would like to get the pi 2 b, 2 b or nopt 2 b, that is the question, I don't see any answers.
[14:23] <Tenkawa> appears they still dont have the 2 working
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[14:23] <Froolap> lol
[14:23] <Tenkawa> b+ yes.. 2 n
[14:23] <Tenkawa> o
[14:23] <niston> loops are bad, mmkay?
[14:23] <Tenkawa> shame
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[14:24] <Froolap> a computer without loops isn't very useful
[14:24] <niston> loops tend to bring your network down (exception: measurement).
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[14:26] <Froolap> They don't even have the hardware specs of the B+ on the home page any more... Like it' just doesn't exist any more.
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[14:31] <Tenkawa> I still cant wait to try Windows 10 on it
[14:32] <Tenkawa> thats either going to be really neat or a complete disaster I think
[14:32] <Armand> I expect the latter
[14:33] <Tenkawa> either way it should be fun
[14:33] <Armand> Indeed. O_o
[14:33] <Tenkawa> Armand: not necessarily.. 10 tech preview on my x86 boxes has been fun
[14:33] <Tenkawa> and a lot less painful than 8
[14:33] <Ryzari> it is nothing like that windows 10
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[14:34] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa, completely not the same thing. It will be more like what's on intel's galileo now.
[14:34] <Tenkawa> how do we know? theres not even an iot yet
[14:34] <Froolap> somew people think that sleeping on a bed of nails is fun. will the pi 2 b allow me to irc faster?
[14:34] <Tenkawa> and my understanding is that this is not going to be like RT
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[14:35] <Tenkawa> unless I completely misread (which is entirely possible_
[14:35] <Tenkawa> )
[14:36] * Tenkawa remembers irc at 25 MHZ
[14:36] <shiftplusone> Best to drop all expectations and just wait and see what happens.
[14:36] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: indeed
[14:37] <niston> RT is dead, isn't it
[14:37] <niston> maybe dead cat bounce, but still
[14:38] <engblom> Is a B+ casing fitting Pi2?
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[14:38] <Tenkawa> engblom: yes
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[14:38] <Tenkawa> someone correct me if I'm wrong.. I know the B one won't
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[14:39] <SpeedEvil> The B+ and the Pi2 are the same size and shape and IOs
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> they only differ with the B2 having the extendable spork.
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[14:40] <MY123> Tenkawa: Windows 10 should be fast on a Pi
[14:40] <MY123> (like Windows RT)
[14:40] <Tenkawa> i'd think so\
[14:40] <MY123> I hope that it will not use SW rendering
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[14:41] <MY123> Tenkawa: The default GOP driver is quite slow with LDDM
[14:41] <Tenkawa> ahh
[14:42] <MY123> Tenkawa, but you will not have that :-)
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[14:42] <MY123> Windows RT on RPi2 is just an ugly hack not to wait
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[14:46] <shiftplusone> engblom, not always
[14:46] <shiftplusone> engblom, for example, the pibow had to be modified for pi2
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[14:48] <engblom> shiftplusone: Is it because of how there are separators inside of the pibow box?
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[14:48] <shiftplusone> don't think so, no.
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[14:50] * Tenkawa just uses generic pi2/b+ cases from microcenter so he doesnt worry about it
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[14:51] * shiftplusone uses pibow coupes, modmypi's stackable cases and that flirc one.
[14:51] <Ryzari> i want that flirc aluminum one
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[14:51] <ozzzy> I use the $4 chinese cases
[14:51] <Ryzari> not using anything right now .. prolly just continue to do so =/
[14:51] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: mine are only 6.99 and I can drive a few miles and get them anytime
[14:52] <engblom> http://www.deltaco.fi/itemid/350/351/%28RPI-BOX8%29/index.aspx <--- That box is made by pi foundation for B+. Will it fit Pi2?
[14:53] <shiftplusone> engblom, eh? I don't think that's made by the foundation at all =S
[14:53] <Ryzari> should
[14:53] <shiftplusone> you can't tell without trying though. "Probably, but maybe not."
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[14:53] <Tenkawa> this compile should be "interesting"
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[14:54] <Ryzari> port layoput on the 2 boards are indentical though .. so unless the case has some funky internal structuring, like the pibow.. any b+ case should work
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[15:15] <niston> stare into an abyss long enough...
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[15:17] <willmore> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3628
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[15:18] <willmore> Because, Nietzsche.
[15:19] <ozzzy> nietzsche is pietzsche
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[15:24] <shiftplusone> I was expecting the 'Dog is fed' one.
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[15:24] <shiftplusone> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=3550
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[15:29] <willmore> Somewhat lacking in abyss references. :)
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[15:32] <niston> heh
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[15:35] <_nim> Hi. I was thinking of using a RPI 2 to make a Seafile cloud storage solution. I have two 64 GB USB drives. Would it be possible to set them up in RAID for use in this project, and would USB drives themselves be fast/stable enough to do this?
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[15:36] <ubik> eh, no. RPi is not really good on I/O
[15:36] <ubik> from what I understand
[15:37] * shiftplusone was wondering Why anybody would want a selfie cloud storage solution.
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[15:37] <Ryzari> shiftplusone, isn't that basically facebook? =/
[15:38] <mortal> pi2 is very good on io
[15:38] <shiftplusone> touche
[15:38] <mortal> 4 cores
[15:38] <shiftplusone> _nim, short answer is try and see.
[15:38] <ubik> cores != io
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[15:38] <shiftplusone> But I don't think it will be very good.
[15:39] <_nim> shiftplusone: I would do that if I had the components, but I only have the usb sticks right now. I'd rather not invest in harddrives. But what you recommend instead for this type of setup?
[15:39] <Ryzari> even if it worked, wouldn't usb raid be risky?
[15:39] <shiftplusone> a NAS?
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[15:41] <ubik> you want a mini pc, not a raspberry pi, methinks
[15:42] <ubik> http://www.gigabyte.us/products/list.aspx?s=47&ck=104
[15:42] <ubik> something like that
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[15:43] <ozzzy> http://www.advantech.com/products/1-2JKD1I/PCM-9363/mod_235fb6c7-a605-4230-b8da-33f5b4f6a1aa.aspx <-- I like that one
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[15:43] * MY123 is currently optimizing his SHA-256 OpenCL implementation
[15:43] <_nim> ubik: I'd like to do it on a pi. It would be nice to attach devices to the GPIO pins aswell. LEDs, temperature sensors etc.
[15:44] <mgottschlag> at any rate a pi is likely fast enough to saturate most people's internet connection
[15:44] <mgottschlag> a
[15:44] <mgottschlag> oops
[15:44] <ubik> i think people are confused about the use case of rpi. it's a low-power embedded system. it's not suited at all to being a nas controller
[15:44] <_nim> ubik: Not even for 2 people?
[15:44] <Bilby> I got serial working with an ESP8266 over the weekend \o/
[15:45] <mgottschlag> NAS != cloud storage, the requirements are different
[15:45] <MY123> mgottschlag: Ahem
[15:45] <MY123> When you have a 100Mbit home connection,...
[15:46] <mgottschlag> now, as a NAS for regular home usage and large amounts of data, I'd certainly get a proper NAS which can somewhat saturate gbit ethernet
[15:46] <ozzzy> I bought the Seagate Central 4TB
[15:46] <Ryzari> except in home use you rarely actually need gbit
[15:47] <MY123> Ryzari: You can
[15:47] <MY123> (there is 1GBitr
[15:47] <day> its way to fast for most embedded usages (in hobby projects)
[15:47] <MY123> * Internet data plans here)
[15:47] <_nim> Can I install a linux distro on a NAS box and ssh into it?
[15:47] <_nim> and could it run as a web server too?
[15:47] <day> ofc
[15:47] <Ryzari> if you don't need to transcode.. the pi can stream media files just fine
[15:47] <MY123> _nim, it depends on how shitty it is
[15:47] <ozzzy> _nim, the Seagate runs linux
[15:47] <day> unless you plan to host imgur :P
[15:48] <Tenkawa> yay
[15:48] <day> but a shitty private homepage isnt a problem
[15:48] <Tenkawa> distcc-pump-ccache is up and running
[15:48] <_nim> day: Just a shitty private homepage :P
[15:48] <Ryzari> won't replace my freenas server, but it can easily share a usb drive.. hell my netgear router works just fine doing it
[15:49] <Tenkawa> nice to be able to use all these cores
[15:49] <day> y i have a drive connected to my router as well. good enough for my usage
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[15:50] <Tenkawa> got 3 pi 2's distcc compiling the kernel... so nice
[15:50] <day> why not compile it on a ...fast... computer?
[15:51] <ubik> yeah i'm waiting for the meme picture which shows two frames. a pile of pi2's and in the next frame, $150 laptop
[15:51] <Tenkawa> day: thats not nearly as fun
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[15:51] <ubik> i dunno, call me crazy, there are things a device like this is good at, and things it is clearly not meant for
[15:52] <day> ^
[15:52] <ubik> but i come from the arduino side of things so, i see things that way
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[15:52] <Tenkawa> wow almost enough cores to use pump mode effectively
[15:52] <day> i love it as a at home always on system. irc bouncer, downloader, etc.
[15:52] <MY123> ubik: And Linux runs slowly on an Adruino
[15:52] <Tenkawa> ubik: it is all in "how" you design it
[15:52] <MY123> (uARM made me laugh, 3 hours to boot)
[15:52] <Ryzari> yea, i don't get why people use this thing to do stuff a real pc would do much, much faster
[15:53] <day> the beaglebone could barely handle linux properly. i dont even want to imagine what the arduino feels like :X
[15:53] <Tenkawa> Ryzari: because my focus is arm and embedded computing
[15:53] * SpeedEvil ponders what 'handle linux' means.
[15:53] <MY123> day: "ls" takes 3 minutes
[15:53] <Ryzari> now as a <5W media player, emulation machine, it's awesome =/
[15:54] <MY123> SpeedEvil, can boot in less than 6 hours and can start X11 in less than 12 hours
[15:54] <Tenkawa> SpeedEvil: yeah.. my bbb runs linux darn fast
[15:54] <day> MY123: *shriek*
[15:54] <Tenkawa> as the saying goes though.. to each their own
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[15:55] <day> Tenkawa: apt-get update takes 2mins :P
[15:55] <Tenkawa> I'm happy.. thats enough for me
[15:55] <Tenkawa> day: on what?
[15:55] <day> Tenkawa: the bbb
[15:55] <Tenkawa> not on mine it doesnt
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[15:55] <day> maybe less sources.
[15:55] <Tenkawa> I have 2 of them running debian fine
[15:56] <MY123> day: It is the "cheapest, lowest-end Linux PC" in history
[15:56] <MY123> Less than 1$ for the CPU...
[15:56] <Tenkawa> day: emmc or sd card?
[15:56] <day> Tenkawa: emmc
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[15:56] <ubik> that's like oregon trail stuff. before you even finish booting, someone in your family dies, or you get dysentery
[15:56] <Tenkawa> which kernel?
[15:57] <day> Tenkawa: uff i dont remember
[15:57] <Tenkawa> that is intriguing.. like I said.. my 2 run great
[15:57] <Tenkawa> i disable all of the capes and such
[15:58] <MY123> Tenkawa: You can run the GPU @ 750MHz stably on the Pi2
[15:58] <MY123> (with VCore @2V)
[15:58] <Tenkawa> use the deadline scheduler
[15:58] <day> irssi build up time with 30channels and 500messages history each. Nerve wrecking :D
[15:58] <Tenkawa> MY123: nice
[15:58] <MY123> Tenkawa, 72Gflops :-)
[15:59] <Tenkawa> MY123: its too bad I run all of these boxes headless or console only
[15:59] <Tenkawa> console/tty
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[15:59] * Tenkawa isnt much for graphics or x
[15:59] <day> either way. i should have went the VPS way from the very beginning. so much better and cheaper :/
[15:59] <MY123> Tenkawa: Use the GPU for transcoding
[15:59] <Tenkawa> MY123: thats actually something I was looking into.. using it with handbrake
[16:00] <Tenkawa> hadnt got very far yet
[16:00] <MY123> Tenkawa, use omxtx
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[16:00] <Tenkawa> omxtx.. thanks.. let me do some reading on that
[16:00] <MY123> Tenkawa, handbrake only kills the CPU
[16:00] <ubik> pi2 makes an interesting potential counter-SIGINT gateway to the internet, with pentesting. i want to put kali on one
[16:00] <Tenkawa> MY123: that it does
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[16:01] <Tenkawa> it royally blasts the cpu
[16:01] <Tenkawa> man this distcc is running so nicely
[16:01] <MY123> Tenkawa, how much build time?
[16:01] <Tenkawa> compiling the 4.0-rc2 kerne l
[16:01] <Tenkawa> MY123: not sure yet
[16:01] <Tenkawa> still going
[16:02] <Tenkawa> but moving very nicely
[16:02] <MY123> Tenkawa, The RPi2 has Linux4 support
[16:02] <Tenkawa> sweet
[16:02] <ubik> gcc?
[16:02] <ubik> well i would guess so
[16:02] <Tenkawa> ubik: indeed
[16:02] <ubik> llvm would cut your need to distcc :)
[16:02] <Tenkawa> hopefully one day llvm/clang
[16:02] <Tenkawa> does llvm support cross server?
[16:03] <ubik> i haven't tried but i would assume the gcc compat thing, it should
[16:03] <Tenkawa> MY123: I am very pleased with these rpi2s so far
[16:03] <ubik> clang uses most of the same args
[16:03] <Tenkawa> I wish I couldve picked up more than 3
[16:04] <Tenkawa> it took a month just to get those in town
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[16:04] <Tenkawa> and I'm like 3 hours away from mcm
[16:04] <MY123> Tenkawa, There is already much more powerful SoCs by Broadcom
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[16:04] <Tenkawa> MY123: odroid c1?
[16:04] <Tenkawa> or something else
[16:04] <MY123> Tenkawa: No, the Broadcom Vulkan CPU
[16:05] <MY123> (ARMv8)
[16:05] <Ryzari> funny seeing people talk about how hard is it to get one.. i had no plans to grab it, just happened to see it at microcenter on the shelf =/
[16:05] <ubik> broadcom is kinda backdoored though
[16:05] <Tenkawa> any actual purchaseable machines yet though?
[16:05] <MY123> Tenkawa, still not but that has 80% of the performance of Haswell
[16:05] <Tenkawa> Ryzari: our microcenter cant keep them in stock.. 1600 gone in less than 3 days
[16:05] <Tenkawa> MY123: yowza
[16:05] <Tenkawa> nice
[16:06] <Ryzari> yea, the employee was surprised.. their machines said they were -4 for stock
[16:06] <Ryzari> yet there were 5 on the shelf
[16:06] <MY123> Tenkawa, it is directly against Xeon
[16:06] <Tenkawa> MY123: I'm patient though (otherwise how could I even deal with the old pi's)
[16:06] <Tenkawa> MY123: I imagine the price point is going to have to increase at some point
[16:07] <Tenkawa> they are already pushing the edge close now I think of being able to stay where it is
[16:07] <MY123> Tenkawa: And Broadcom is a member of Khronos Vulkan
[16:07] <MY123> (so they will probably announce a new GPU)
[16:07] <Tenkawa> I personally so dont need/want the gpu at all
[16:08] <shiftplusone> ^+1
[16:08] <Tenkawa> would just like a strong small cpu core
[16:08] <MY123> Tenkawa: except on a Tegra K1 or X1
[16:08] <shiftplusone> I'd like a GPU capable of 3d rendering, but don't need to run crysis on it, so the current one is fine.
[16:08] <MY123> (when not using the GPU is a real waste)
[16:08] <Tenkawa> nvidia overprices everything
[16:09] <shiftplusone> and I think the CPU speed has hit a point where it's no longer the bottleneck
[16:09] <MY123> Tenkawa: a teraflop mobile GPU(even if only FP16) is good
[16:09] <Tenkawa> trues
[16:09] <Tenkawa> er true
[16:09] <Tenkawa> "if" you use it
[16:09] <MY123> shiftplusone: the current IP is obsolete
[16:09] <MY123> and Broadcom spends enginnering time on Khronos Vulkan
[16:10] <ubik> nvidia is releasing its shield STB in May. $199 I think. might be fun to repurpose
[16:10] <mgottschlag> FP16 is not really usable for anything but graphics though :p
[16:10] <shiftplusone> Again.... speculation.
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[16:10] <MY123> shiftplusone: They don't spend engineer time for nothing as they are a profit-driven company
[16:11] <MY123> mgottschlag, still 560Gflops at FP32
[16:11] <MY123> usable for a bunch of work
[16:12] * Tenkawa has to do some distcc tuning
[16:12] <Tenkawa> one node ended up with 71 compile jobs
[16:12] <Tenkawa> oops
[16:12] <Tenkawa> still flying though
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[16:13] <Tenkawa> I didt randomize and balance... oops
[16:13] <niston> Monthly investition per Port: CHF 57, Monthly operating cost per Port: CHF 49.
[16:13] <niston> quite good I think?
[16:16] <Tenkawa> niston: chf?
[16:16] <niston> swiss francs
[16:16] * Tenkawa isnt good at acronyms
[16:16] <Tenkawa> ahh
[16:17] <Tenkawa> I shouldve remembered those from when I worked in europe
[16:17] <Tenkawa> I heard of those when I was in Luxembourg
[16:17] <niston> investition is calculated over 5 years, and the ports are 802.11af capable gige ports, btw
[16:17] <niston> including energey costs
[16:17] <niston> energy even
[16:17] <Tenkawa> nod
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[16:17] <Tenkawa> what is your main energy type over there?
[16:18] <niston> nuclear
[16:18] <Tenkawa> wind/solar?
[16:18] <niston> at 60%
[16:18] <Tenkawa> ahh
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[16:18] <niston> solar doesn't really work here
[16:18] <niston> too cloudy
[16:18] <Tenkawa> what about hydro?
[16:18] <niston> and too much BS oposition from eco groups
[16:18] <niston> yup
[16:18] <niston> almost 40%
[16:18] <Tenkawa> nice
[16:18] <IT_Sean> the remaining 40% is provided by hampster wheels
[16:18] <niston> hjaha
[16:19] <niston> hydro hamsters
[16:19] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: now now
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[16:19] <Tenkawa> the stuff we used growing up in swamplands was not pleasant
[16:19] <OffensiveUser> I think hamsters as a source of reliable green energy are often overlooked
[16:20] <niston> especially if you recycle their waste for biogas production
[16:20] <Tenkawa> 24 load avg on one of the pi2's and its not even hiccuping
[16:21] <niston> hmm Tenakawa that stuff will eat 17.6KWh under full load conditions :D
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[16:21] <Tenkawa> ha
[16:21] <Tenkawa> even with the process distribution oops I cant believe its running so well
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[16:22] <Tenkawa> thats why I'm impressed
[16:22] <ppq> 17,6 kWh is energy, not power, i guess you mean kW?
[16:23] <Tenkawa> ppq: talking to me or niston ?
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[16:23] <MY123> Weston runs perfectly with the KMS driverf
[16:23] <ppq> to niston
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[16:23] <MY123> *driver
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[16:23] <Tenkawa> MY123: oh realy?
[16:23] <Tenkawa> nice
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[16:23] <Tenkawa> brb... need more coffee
[16:24] <niston> kW per hour
[16:24] <niston> so I illegally abbreviated
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[16:25] <ppq> kW per hour makes even less sense :D
[16:25] <ubik> "hey, what are you in for?" "abbreviating wrong"
[16:25] <niston> how so?
[16:25] <niston> you eat n kilowatt during one hour...
[16:25] <niston> well. not you. but, you know..
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[16:25] <mgottschlag> the pi uses 3W/h. The first hour, 3W, the second one, 6W, and during the third hour you finally need all those stupid heatsinks.
[16:26] <niston> hahaha
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[16:26] <ppq> mgottschlag, :)
[16:26] <MY123> mgottschlag, you should overclock your Pi a lot
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[16:27] <IT_Sean> like, a lot a lot.
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[16:27] <Tenkawa> back
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[16:28] <ozzzy> I set my Pi to 1GHz then ran a stress-test on it
[16:28] <ozzzy> no issues and ran at 60C in the case
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[16:28] <Tenkawa> I should go put mine outside in the -5 weather tomorrow and see how much it can run
[16:29] <Tenkawa> -5F mind you
[16:29] <niston> your hampster?
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[16:29] <Tenkawa> what is that.. around -15C or so?
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[16:29] <Tenkawa> oh -20
[16:29] <Tenkawa> wow
[16:30] <niston> hypercooled hampster.
[16:30] <Tenkawa> wow it is cold up here
[16:30] <Tenkawa> niston: haahaa
[16:31] <Tenkawa> hey the compile finished :)
[16:32] <Tenkawa> one bcma code error that I'm going to manually fix but wow that was fast
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[16:33] <Tenkawa> these things dont use pci express do they?
[16:34] <Tenkawa> nope
[16:34] <Tenkawa> good
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[16:49] <Tenkawa> brb... i hope
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[16:50] <pr0tlogic> I am looking for a good usb wifi adapter for the raspberry pi that can do packet injection, anyone have any recommendations?
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[16:54] <Ryzari> for kali?
[16:55] <pr0tlogic> nah im going to be running raspian
[16:56] <Ryzari> http://www.wirelesshack.org/top-kali-linux-compatible-usb-adapters-dongles-2015.html
[16:56] <Ryzari> what's recommended there prolly still be a good start
[16:57] <pr0tlogic> great, thank you.
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[17:01] <JMichaelX> could anyone here make a recommendation for a power supply that works well with the Raspberry Pi 2?
[17:02] <ozzzy> I bought cheapos from China.... they work fine
[17:02] <MY123> ozzzy, they may actually kill your cat and destroy your house
[17:02] <JMichaelX> did they suppky 2A?
[17:02] <ozzzy> really?? wooohoooo
[17:02] <TheLostAdmin> The Blackberry fast charger (1.8A)
[17:03] <JMichaelX> supply*
[17:03] <ozzzy> 5V 2A
[17:03] <ozzzy> but the Pi2 runs fine powered by a USB3 port too
[17:03] <Ryzari> JMichaelX, I use www.amazon.com/dp/B00C0XZ7R6/ .. added bonus it has 10 usb ports
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[17:06] <JMichaelX> ozzzy: Ryzari: ty
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[17:08] <Tenkawa> lalala compile compile compile
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[17:14] <sydney_untangle> Hum about a computer PSU lying around?
[17:14] <sydney_untangle> Thats something not hard for me to dig up.
[17:14] <sydney_untangle> I have 2 not in use, no wait, 3.
[17:14] <sydney_untangle> They are kinda backups though.
[17:14] <sydney_untangle> :P
[17:14] <Bilby> You're just trying to find a decent 5V power supply?
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[17:15] <Bilby> You don't have to permanently modify one, if you can find a molex connector that will fit the +5 and ground pins on the PSU you can just plug it in
[17:15] <sydney_untangle> I thought its not wise to power the RPI through USB?
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[17:15] <Ryzari> prolly isn't, i've not had any issues though =/
[17:15] <sydney_untangle> Purple plus black wire...
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[17:18] <sydney_untangle> When i get a RPI i think i will use my 120v to USB charger even though its only 700 Mh. I guess you dont know without trying.
[17:19] <niston> when powering from a PC PSU, don't forget to connect the power good signal to gnd
[17:19] <niston> or it wont turn on :D
[17:19] <sydney_untangle> ?
[17:19] <sydney_untangle> The computer psu lets off 5 volts without turning on.
[17:19] * ozzzy has a half-dozen wallwarts that would work
[17:20] <sydney_untangle> Yeah, the 120v to usb converter lets off an actual 5v.
[17:20] <sydney_untangle> I tested it under load also.
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[17:20] <sydney_untangle> 500mh load brought it to 4.95v.
[17:21] <niston> sydney_untangle: 5V STBY you mean?
[17:22] <sydney_untangle> niston: yes.
[17:22] <niston> that will supply 500mA max IIRC
[17:22] <Bilby> i'm not sure if any PSUs have like a charge output on them, it wouldn't be too surprising but yeah, would be current limited
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[17:22] <sydney_untangle> Ive heard alot of diferent outputs on comptuer PSUs.
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[17:23] <syeekick> hey
[17:23] <sydney_untangle> But im sure it could use a molex and jump the green wire.
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[17:25] <sydney_untangle> I do have a junk molex to sata adapter...
[17:25] <sydney_untangle> That would give alot of amperage to the pi.
[17:25] <Ryzari> of ya could just buy a $8 samsung 2A charger and not mess with any of that crap =/
[17:26] <Ryzari> or*
[17:26] <sydney_untangle> What fun is that? :P
[17:26] <syeekick> has anyone got wake on lan via magic packet setup on the rapspbery pi. There seems to be guides out there to do that very thing. I've also seen some conflicting results that say its a limiation of the hardware and its just not possible. I was wondering if there was anyone out there with first hand expeierence
[17:26] <niston> syeekick: that wont work afaik.
[17:27] <sydney_untangle> I will try my wall charger that i have first.
[17:27] <niston> first the lan chip has no eeprom, and second there's no logic for the assert pin, and third there's nothing to control power to the pi (ie there is no "standby" mode).
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[17:27] <syeekick> yeah i read that
[17:28] <Bilby> you can -send- magic packets from the Pi, but no, it won't respond to them
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[17:29] <niston> just leave it running.
[17:29] <niston> it eats so little power, probably less than a full blown PC in standby mode.
[17:29] <sydney_untangle> You cannot put the PI into standby? Well, i dont see why you would want to and there would be no way to resume.
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[17:29] <syeekick> http://www.jeremyblum.com/2013/07/14/rpi-wol-server/
[17:29] <sydney_untangle> Ive heard 1watt?
[17:30] <syeekick> has he made a waste of time tutorial there :P
[17:30] <niston> that's for sending WOL packets
[17:30] <Ryzari> yea.. i got a p4 router box, i5 freenas system, and my main desktop on 24/7 .. letting the pi run nonstop ois insignificant =/
[17:30] <syeekick> oh
[17:30] <syeekick> lol
[17:30] <syeekick> sorry about that. Thanks for clearing that up for me
[17:31] <niston> I should get my CM board done. that will have wake on lan.
[17:31] <Ryzari> heck, it uses less power than most home routers, noone thinks twice bout leaving them on all the time
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[17:32] <syeekick> Also raspberry-config has an option in overclock labled "pi2" is that a default clock speed for the pi 2 ? Im using the pi 2 and just want the defaults, i seleceted that thinkning it was a pi 2 profile. I had it set to default which i thought it might of been underclocking it
[17:32] <syeekick> i mean yeah it will be powered constantly from now on.
[17:33] <Ryzari> default speeds are the medium 900mhz setting
[17:33] <Ryzari> the pi2 option is the recommended overclock setting
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[17:35] <syeekick> is that for the raspberry pi version 2?
[17:35] <Ryzari> yea
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[17:36] <Tenkawa> anyone tried compiling the 4.0-rc kernel yet on a rpi2?
[17:38] <syeekick> well i'll see how hot its getting :P it says overclocking will seriously reduce the pi's life span. Is that to cover their asses and in reality its not a thing?
[17:38] <Ryzari> i have mine on the pi2 setting, doesn't go over 40C playing roms
[17:38] <IT_Sean> syeekick: please mind the channel language policy
[17:39] <syeekick> Sorry I did tempt it a bit there, wrong turn of phrase.
[17:39] <syeekick> oh cool psx roms ?
[17:39] <Ryzari> not tried any myself, but they supposedly work well
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[17:39] <Ryzari> mainly play snes,nes,genesis
[17:40] <Bilby> syeekick not sure on the pi2, on the pi1 it doesn't even void the warrenty iirc
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[17:43] <IT_Sean> On the Pi 1, overclocking by itself does not void anything. Overvolting, depending on how configure the various options, CAN void the warranty. Not sure about the Pi2.
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[17:45] <syeekick> thanks for the help guys
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[17:45] <syeekick> loving the pi community one of the best communities i've naffed about with
[17:46] <syeekick> see ya x
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[17:50] <mortal> what are your oc results
[17:50] <mortal> for pi2
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[17:50] <mortal> mine is 1 GHz stable with a heatsink
[17:50] <Ryzari> mine's on the 1Ghz setting, no heatsink .. barely warms up
[17:51] <IT_Sean> you don't need a heahtink.
[17:51] <IT_Sean> heatsinks for Pis serve simply to seperate fools from their money.
[17:52] <Bilby> I need a heatsink
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[17:52] <Bilby> but mostly because my raspberry pi is in the Gobi desert
[17:53] <leio> so to heat up the chip better from ambient temperature? :)
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[17:53] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[17:54] * Bilby rolls IT_Sean's eyes out the door so everyone can use language that would make his mum blush
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[17:54] <TheLostAdmin> Mine's not overclocked and I wanted to check temp. So I fired up a bunch of stuff that kept the CPU at about 80% capacity for several minutes and watched. It got to nearly 50 degrees (Pi1modelB)
[17:54] * niston sells heatpipes for Pi
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[17:55] <niston> if you want, I'll add a blue led for $25 extra.
[17:55] <Bilby> What was that company that made the huge almost-spherical "silent" CPU heat sinks?
[17:55] * IT_Sean wanders around blind, bumping in to walls
[17:55] <Ryzari> zalman?
[17:55] <Bilby> Yeah
[17:55] <Bilby> I want a Zalman cooler on my Pi
[17:55] <Ryzari> $80 worth of copper on my $35 pi
[17:56] <IT_Sean> niston: But i want a green LED!
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[17:56] <Bilby> This should work. http://www.zalman.com/eng/product/Product_Read.php?Idx=782
[17:56] <niston> I only do blue ones.
[17:56] <niston> they convey an image of coolness.
[17:57] <IT_Sean> Then I'm afraid we cannot do business.
[17:57] <niston> sorry :D
[17:59] <Ryzari> is the pi2 powerful enough to be used as a rdp thin client, with no audio/video lag?
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[18:09] <Bilby> Ryzari i saw a projet or two to do a thin client with the Pi1 but i don't know how well it worked. The 2 is probably powerful enough to do basic thin client tasks well
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[18:13] <leio> I'd be slightly concerned about the maximum throughput a pi AND pi2 can do wrt network bandwidth, especially while also rendering or whatnot
[18:13] <leio> USB NIC and all.
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[18:19] <Ryzari> well, what i'd like to do is replace my wife's Q6600 system with a pi client if possible, all she really does is web browse, ms office, and stream video from my plex server
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[18:21] <Ryzari> i know most of that can be done on the pi itself, but rather keep a windows interface she's used to, and not be laggy
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[18:25] <SpeedEvil> It absolutely can't be done on a Pi1
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> Windows 10 allegedly runs ona Pi2
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[18:26] <CoJaBo> Windows IOT doesn't come with a GUI, IIRC
[18:26] <Ryzari> don't need to run windows, just a rdp client that won't lag to the point where ya can't watch video
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[18:27] <CoJaBo> You almost certainly could not RDP video on a pi.
[18:28] <Ryzari> well that stinks
[18:28] <MY123> CoJaBo: It would come with a ModernUI
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[18:28] <MY123> (I don't know about Win32)
[18:28] <Ryzari> was thinking of just grabbing her a nuc, but was curious if the pi could manage
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[18:28] <CoJaBo> I heard it doesn't, which.. doesn't make sense, because isn't that all Windows is lol
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[18:30] <sydney_untangle> Can the GPIO ports be used as another sterio audio out that can be accessed using alsamixer? Cna you plug a sterio conection into the RPI2?
[18:31] <sydney_untangle> Since that port lets off both audio and video.
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[18:34] <sydney_untangle> Im just wondering how to do that if you stuck the RPI in a monitor.
[18:35] <sydney_untangle> Of is it better to have it on the monitor?
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[18:39] <sydney_untangle> Im actually trying to understand how the GPIO ports work...
[18:40] <CoJaBo> sydney_untangle: They all support simple on-or-off, but several of them have hardware-accelerated functions (SPI, etc)
[18:41] <Sonny_Jim> The clue is in the name
[18:42] <Sonny_Jim> General Purpose Input Output
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[18:44] <sydney_untangle> Ah.
[18:44] <sydney_untangle> the pi-mote looks awesome :)
[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> But there is a limit as to how fast you can push out data from the GPIO
[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> So video display/audio output would be too much
[18:44] <sydney_untangle> Ah.
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[19:13] <sudormrf> hey guys
[19:14] <sudormrf> any suggestions for some interesting projects for a model b?
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[19:14] <TheLostAdmin> sudormrf You could get a big pixel board, mount it on a wall in your livingroom, attach the Pi to it, and build an interface so that people can type stuff into a web page and it displays on your wall.
[19:15] <TheLostAdmin> Lots of stuff to fiddle with and the Internet trolls will put lots of interesting language on your pixelboard.
[19:15] <CoJaBo> High-altitude balloon that tweets the weather. Gogogogogogogogogo
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[19:17] <TheLostAdmin> My model B is currently a remote desktop server for a couple apps.
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[19:18] <dividuum> Are there any purchasable products based on the compute module?
[19:18] <dividuum> I'm looking for corporations that sell products based on the raspberry.
[19:19] <TheLostAdmin> dividuum, there are add-on boards if that's what you mean. But as for a Pi-in-a-box that they don't tell you is a Pi... not that I know of.
[19:21] <dividuum> thanks. I'm asking since I have a customer that might go for a pi based product but is a little shy in committing to the pi. So now I'm looking for examples of a successful business based on the pi
[19:21] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure there's plenty of businesses using Pi's now
[19:22] <sudormrf> TheLostAdmin, I was thinking about doing what that guy did with local bus times and a big pixel board
[19:22] <sudormrf> http://coldattic.info/shvedsky/pro/blogs/a-foo-walks-into-a-bar/posts/98
[19:22] <Bilby> dividuum most examples i've heard have been in robotic and production warehouse environments
[19:22] <sudormrf> with weather and whatever
[19:22] <sudormrf> HAHAHA
[19:22] <dividuum> Bilby, anything I can link to?
[19:23] <stevenjames> my HDMI is out on my tv, i do not have an HDMI to VGA adapter. i have the pi2 what are my video output options?
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[19:23] <IT_Sean> HDMI or composite. HDMI recommend.
[19:23] <Bilby> dividuum sorry, not that i know of :(
[19:23] <dividuum> Bilby, ok. thanks anyway. :-)
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[19:24] <stevenjames> alright looks like i'm hit...ice and sleet, ebays days away
[19:25] <Tenkawa> stevenjames: yeah we
[19:25] <Tenkawa> 're about to get that crap again too
[19:25] <ShorTie> this is the only compute module thing i know of http://wirelessthings.net/openpi/
[19:25] <Tenkawa> already got a foot + of snow
[19:25] <Tenkawa> ugghg
[19:25] <strobelight> a foot! where are you?
[19:25] <Tenkawa> ohio
[19:25] <sudormrf> been thinking about that bus time thing. could be cool to do that and toss in some weather/news reports in to it
[19:26] <Tenkawa> actually it might just be up to 8 ib
[19:26] <Tenkawa> er in
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[19:26] <Tenkawa> snow + ice + rain is a very bad mix
[19:26] <stevenjames> Tenkawa where are you?
[19:26] <Tenkawa> ohio
[19:26] <stevenjames> nice, okc
[19:27] <Tenkawa> I might have my numbers too high but its been a lot :(
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[19:27] <ShorTie> and we get that tonight/tomorrow Tenkawa
[19:27] <Tenkawa> I'm from ark/la originally so this is blah
[19:27] <muriani> heh, I got a call about a job in ohion
[19:27] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: good luck
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[19:27] <muriani> my reaction was NOPE
[19:27] <dividuum> ShorTie, thanks for the link. haven't seen that one yet
[19:27] <stevenjames> i'm from newark, nj but it's nice out here. still sucks balls though
[19:27] <Tenkawa> then again glad I'm not in wisconsin or upper new york right now
[19:28] <muriani> godDAMNIT I left the lapdock power supply at the office again
[19:28] <Tenkawa> muriani: ohio is nice usually
[19:28] <ShorTie> 55f and rain today, 27f and 10" of snow tomorrow .. :(~
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[19:29] <Tenkawa> forcasted for snow in abot 3 hrs here
[19:29] <muriani> Tenkawa: TX native here, so I'd rather end up somewhere without bollocks of snow
[19:29] <Tenkawa> heheh
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[19:29] <stevenjames> IT_Sean this A/V port on the pi2 is just for headphones or rca?
[19:29] <Tenkawa> coming from arkansas it wasnt that much cooler in the summer however a lot colder in winter
[19:30] <IT_Sean> stevenjames: it carries audio and video, on the Pi2.
[19:30] <Tenkawa> we still get fairly warm up here
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[19:30] <muriani> yeah
[19:30] <muriani> it's the cold that bothers me
[19:30] <Tenkawa> ahh
[19:30] <muriani> I can honestly deal with the heat
[19:30] <Tenkawa> uggh my ccache needed cleaning bad
[19:30] <stevenjames> awesome
[19:30] <muriani> my fiancee longs for the cold, though
[19:31] <Tenkawa> I didnt put a restriction on it and had 6000 files in the cache
[19:31] <Tenkawa> that slowed down seeks pretty bad
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[19:32] <strobelight> speaking of ccache, was starting to config distcc and ccache, but am having trouble reaching my VM running on a MAC from the PI... I hate networking issues
[19:33] <strobelight> what's worse is my PI is in 10.x.x.x subnet, and mac in 64.x.x.x so routing issues I supposed
[19:33] <strobelight> trying vm in bridge mode, still no luck
[19:34] * strobelight brb
[19:35] <sudormrf> strobelight, wait...what? your mac has a public IP?
[19:36] <muriani> lolol
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[19:38] <strobelight> public IP, no
[19:38] <sudormrf> well 64.x.x.x is public address space?
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[19:39] <sudormrf> unless the world has turned upside down while I slept
[19:39] <sudormrf> which is entirely possible :D
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[19:39] <stevenjames> is an 8GB microSD card feasible or is 16 mandatory?
[19:39] <leandro> 8gb is enough
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[19:39] <leandro> but depends what you wanna do
[19:39] <strobelight> it's all behind routers
[19:40] <sudormrf> strobelight, well 64.x.x.x is public. do ifconfig on the mac and let me know what your private IP is
[19:40] <stevenjames> raspbian
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[19:41] <sudormrf> strobelight, private address space is 10.x.x.x, 172.16-31.x.x, 192.168.x.x
[19:41] <sudormrf> anything that doesn't fall in that range is public.
[19:42] <sudormrf> assuming your home router is a standard affair. meaning not an enterprise device (this doesn't change the facts about private address space, but it could change troubleshooting steps).
[19:43] <strobelight> sudormrf: thanks, but your router can dole out IPs in any range I thought.
[19:43] <strobelight> yes, on corporate network playing with a PI
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[19:44] <sudormrf> strobelight, it can't. routers will not provide a public IPv4 address to a client.
[19:44] <strobelight> the 10.x.x.x range is a vpn IP since I'm working from home, but trying to access mac server at work in 64 range which is running VM
[19:44] <sudormrf> and we are talking about ipv4. ipv6 addresses are 128 bit
[19:44] <Ryzari> that's completely different then
[19:44] <sudormrf> that is a bit more info
[19:44] <strobelight> yes, ipv4, otherwise I'd say xxxx::xxxx or some such nonsense
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[19:44] <sudormrf> but still kind of odd.
[19:45] <sudormrf> can you ping the mac server (that appears to be in some sort of DMZ)?
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[19:45] <strobelight> nope won't ping either
[19:46] <Ryzari> then it's probably blocked off by your corporate firewall
[19:46] <sudormrf> well
[19:46] <strobelight> was thinking that too, which sucks
[19:46] <sudormrf> Ryzari, not necessarily. pings could be blocked
[19:46] <sudormrf> some places block ICMP traffic.
[19:46] <strobelight> ping says "filtered packet" which is probably that clue
[19:46] <sudormrf> strobelight, how about VNC
[19:47] <sudormrf> can you VNC to that mac?
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[19:47] <strobelight> from the pi?
[19:47] <sudormrf> basically we need to rule out connection issues first
[19:47] <sudormrf> from anything
[19:47] <sudormrf> that is where you are at now
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[19:47] <strobelight> I can ssh into the mac server, and even ssh into the VM running ubuntu on it.
[19:48] <sudormrf> ok
[19:48] <sudormrf> ssh in to the server
[19:48] <strobelight> I can even get to the PI via the VM, just not back to the VM from the PI
[19:48] <sudormrf> ok
[19:48] <sudormrf> ssh in to the server
[19:48] <strobelight> and?
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[19:50] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[19:50] <sudormrf> ifconfig
[19:50] <Sonny_Jim> There's a reason for not being able to access the VM
[19:50] <sudormrf> what IP's is the mac getting BESIDES the 64
[19:50] <sudormrf> if any
[19:50] <sudormrf> Sonny_Jim, I believe I see it. what are your thoughts?
[19:51] <Sonny_Jim> Let me just catch up a minute
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[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> Mac is running VM, Pi can reach Mac, Mac can reach Pi, Mac can reach VM?
[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> VM can reach Pi?
[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> But Pi can't reach VM?
[19:52] <strobelight> no, Pi can't reach either only my laptop
[19:53] <Ryzari> macs not forwarding to the vm
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[19:53] <Ryzari> oh, pi can't get to mac either.. nm
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[19:53] <strobelight> from my laptop, I ssh to mac server, then ssh to ubuntu vm, then can also ssh to Pi.
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[19:53] <strobelight> but from Pi cannot get back to VM
[19:53] <xreal> I've just installed a new USB flash drive and I'm getting 16 MB/s on the RPi, but Samba is still 1.3 MB/s :(
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[19:54] <sudormrf> I am 98% sure of the issue. but I want to know what IPs the Mac has
[19:54] <sydney_untangle> This looks well supported by RPI. http://www.amazon.com/ADATA-Premier-microSDHC-Adapter-AUSDH16GUICL10-RA1/dp/B00BSRETVK/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1YAK8U7QV5H1E
[19:54] <strobelight> laptop and Pi on 10.x.x.x vpn network.
[19:54] <Tenkawa> strobelight: whats the pi's ip and the mac ip
[19:54] <sydney_untangle> Look ok?
[19:55] <sudormrf> Tenkawa, that is what I have been asking :D
[19:55] <sudormrf> I want to know if the Mac has more than one IP
[19:55] <Sonny_Jim> Right, what is happening is this:
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[19:55] <Ryzari> sydney_untangle, i've read class 10/uhs can often actually run slower on the pi
[19:55] <Tenkawa> sudormrf: i wanted to check netmask roo
[19:55] <Tenkawa> er too
[19:55] <strobelight> PI ip is 10.116.121.166
[19:55] <sudormrf> netmask roo! :D
[19:55] <strobelight> mac server IP is 64.100.70.79
[19:56] <Tenkawa> have you traceouted it?
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[19:56] <sudormrf> strobelight, does it have any other IPs?
[19:56] <Tenkawa> er traceroute
[19:56] <sudormrf> Tenkawa, ICMPs are blocked
[19:56] <sudormrf> so it will appear to fail
[19:56] <Tenkawa> sudormrf: he could use tcp trace
[19:56] <sudormrf> true dat
[19:56] <Ryzari> you can see where it fails though
[19:56] <Tenkawa> strobelight: sshd is suppose to be active right?
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[19:56] <Tenkawa> what if you telne ip 22
[19:56] <strobelight> other IPs on mac server is 172.16.109.1 vmnet1, and 172.16.23.1 vmnet8
[19:56] <Tenkawa> does it hang?
[19:57] <Tenkawa> er telnet
[19:57] <sydney_untangle> Ryzari: Its listed on the wiki.
[19:57] <sudormrf> Ryzari, depends. it could "appear" to fail, but then it will ultimately reach the destination. although doing a TCP traceroute would be smart
[19:57] <sudormrf> well there you go
[19:57] <sudormrf> can you ping either of those virtual interfaces?
[19:57] <sudormrf> from the pi
[19:57] <strobelight> on ubuntu vm running on mac server, it's ip is 64.100.70.101 (since I changed to bridge mode hoping that would do something for me)
[19:57] <Tenkawa> oh VM
[19:58] <Tenkawa> so you can get to the vmhost just fine?
[19:58] <sudormrf> can you ping either of the virtual adapters?
[19:58] <strobelight> lol telnet not found on Pi
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[19:58] <strobelight> need to install
[19:58] <Tenkawa> if you put the vm in bridge mode it would be easier to troubleshoot
[19:58] <strobelight> crap, I have a meeting to get to
[19:59] <Tenkawa> wouldnt needthe explicot vmnet devices
[19:59] <Tenkawa> strobelight: someone'll be here when you get back
[19:59] <strobelight> yes, vm in bridge mode, since it got the 64.x.x.x IP
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[19:59] <Tenkawa> I likely will still be here
[19:59] <strobelight> what package has telnet?
[19:59] <sudormrf> try apt-get install telnet
[19:59] <sudormrf> dunno
[20:00] <sydney_untangle> Wait, that sd card is marked as non-working.
[20:00] <sudormrf> it may recommend the correct package if that isn't right
[20:00] <strobelight> yep, that was it
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[20:00] <IT_Sean> New TFTS post!
[20:00] <Tenkawa> tfts?
[20:00] <sydney_untangle> Ugg, i just want a cheap >10$ 8gb sd card.
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[20:01] * Tenkawa is having acronym lost again
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[20:01] <Tenkawa> sydney_untangle: got a microcenter handy?
[20:01] <Tenkawa> 32 gb sd cards are <10$ here
[20:01] <aberrant> wow
[20:01] <strobelight> telnet 64.100.70.101 22
[20:01] <strobelight> Trying 64.100.70.101...
[20:01] <strobelight> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host
[20:01] <aberrant> audio feedback whenever network activity is occurring
[20:01] <Tenkawa> strobelight: ahh haaa
[20:02] * strobelight gtg, stayed as long as I dare
[20:02] <Tenkawa> ok
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[20:02] <Tenkawa> only 400 more ccache files to remove
[20:02] <strobelight> routing issue on Pi or elsewhere?
[20:02] <sudormrf> elsewhere
[20:02] <Tenkawa> indeed
[20:02] <sudormrf> it isn't a routing issue
[20:02] <IT_Sean> whoops, wrong chan
[20:02] <Tenkawa> IT_Sean: oops
[20:03] <sydney_untangle> Tenkawa: microcenter?
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[20:03] <sudormrf> sydney_untangle, it is a computer supply store
[20:03] <Tenkawa> sydney_untangle: computer shop in the midwest us
[20:03] * strobelight has left and will scroll back later for input, thanks all!
[20:03] * Tenkawa isnt sure where sydney_untangle is from
[20:03] <sudormrf> sydney, perhaps?
[20:03] <sudormrf> lol
[20:03] <IT_Sean> ya think?
[20:04] <Tenkawa> well he used $ however I forgot that australia uses dollars by name too
[20:04] <sudormrf> yessir they do
[20:04] <Ryzari> those microcenter cards suck.. write speeds are generally horrible
[20:04] <sudormrf> it could all be one big joke, though :P
[20:04] <Tenkawa> Ryzari: they work fine for me
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[20:05] <Tenkawa> Ryzari: if I need that good performance I use high end cards anyway
[20:05] <Tenkawa> no need for most situations
[20:05] <sydney_untangle> Tenkawa: Im from Mi.
[20:06] <Ryzari> i live bout an hour away from a store, so luckily it's still worth it sometimes to pay more online
[20:06] <Ryzari> can't beat their cpu prices though, and the bundles
[20:06] <sudormrf> well dammit
[20:06] <sudormrf> ahha
[20:06] <Tenkawa> sydney_untangle: oh well you shouldve definitely heard of microcenter then
[20:06] <Tenkawa> I'm in ohio
[20:06] <sydney_untangle> Tenkawa: Best Buy?
[20:06] <sydney_untangle> Or what do you mean?
[20:07] <Ryzari> you go to sharonville or cbus store?
[20:07] <Tenkawa> nooooooooooooo
[20:07] <Tenkawa> Ryzari: cbus
[20:07] <Ryzari> not been to that one, bout 2hrs away
[20:07] <Tenkawa> great place
[20:07] <Tenkawa> hehehee
[20:07] <Ryzari> always have some kind of bs to deal with when i go to sharonville
[20:07] <Tenkawa> I spend way too much time there
[20:07] <Tenkawa> toy shop..
[20:07] <sydney_untangle> Tenkawa: doesnt ring a bell in my noggin ;)
[20:07] <Ryzari> when the gtx970 came out.. called em to check stock, said they had 5
[20:07] <Tenkawa> I dont always have a lot to buy.. just a lot I want to buy
[20:08] <Ryzari> drive an hour down there.. they sold their last one 5 hours ago..
[20:08] <Tenkawa> Ryzari: they went through 1600 or so rpi2s in like 2 days here
[20:08] <Tenkawa> if what I was told was correct
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[20:09] <sydney_untangle> Now this one is on the wiki as working http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CIR00EE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1R6QSXH0T95EC
[20:09] <Ryzari> sydney_untangle.. class 4 though
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[20:10] <sydney_untangle> So, no class 10 but no class 4? :P
[20:10] <sydney_untangle> Good grief.
[20:10] <Ryzari> i use a 4 myself, can't really complain
[20:10] <muriani> I won't use anything less than 10... building on anything less is uuuuggggghhhhh
[20:10] <muriani> discovered that with the pandaboard
[20:11] <sydney_untangle> Oh, a microcenter sd card.
[20:11] <Ryzari> yea, i just read quite a few complaints of people with class 10s that barely performed at 4
[20:11] <muriani> splurging on a class10 made such a difference
[20:11] <muriani> rly
[20:11] <TheLostAdmin> sydney_untangled, if you look at the 2nd picture of the product. It's in a package that says it's a class 4.
[20:11] <muriani> mine's running quite fine, transcend branded
[20:11] <muriani> ok, pi2 though
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[20:11] <muriani> s/ok/oh
[20:11] <Tenkawa> i agree that there are much better than micrcenter branded cards.. .just a decent inexpensive one if you need it though
[20:12] <Ryzari> think it was mostly when used with openelec though
[20:12] <sydney_untangle> Tenkawa: The nearest microcenter is in chicago. a 5 hour drive.
[20:12] <Tenkawa> ouch
[20:12] <Tenkawa> bummer
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[20:12] <sydney_untangle> So, what card do you guys recomend on amazon?
[20:12] <sydney_untangle> since you all throw stuff at me :P
[20:13] <muriani> sydney_untangle: my transcend is working well enough
[20:13] <muriani> I generally don't skimp on storage
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[20:13] <Ryzari> how big ya wanting?
[20:13] <muriani> transcend, sandisk, etc
[20:13] <sydney_untangle> Im half tempted to just go to family dollar and snag the only model they have. :P
[20:13] <sydney_untangle> 8-16gb.
[20:14] <Ryzari> and it'd prolly work fine too =/
[20:14] <muriani> had problems with kingston flash
[20:14] <Tenkawa> hmm
[20:14] <muriani> oh it'll work
[20:14] <muriani> just won't be nice
[20:14] <Ryzari> i generally stick with adata in my devices .. always worked well for me
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[20:14] <sydney_untangle> Anything cheaper than 10$. It can have free shipping over 35$.
[20:14] <TheLostAdmin> For my phone, kingston. For my Pi, sandisk or transcend.
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[20:15] <Ryzari> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBD0XSI/
[20:15] <Ryzari> 16gb transcend for $9
[20:15] <sydney_untangle> I really dont have a clue as to why some sd cards dont work.
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[20:16] <muriani> Ryzari: yeah that's good
[20:16] <Tenkawa> sydney_untangle: quality
[20:16] <sydney_untangle> Oh cool.
[20:16] <muriani> I got the 32GB one
[20:16] <Tenkawa> if theres another reason "I" am not personally aware
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[20:16] <Tenkawa> anyone else got input?
[20:17] <sydney_untangle> Cool sd card. :)
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[20:18] <sydney_untangle> Thanks Ryzari
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[20:20] <sydney_untangle> Now i just want to see the RPI 2 for 35$ minus shipping on amazon.
[20:21] <IT_Sean> Well, seeing as it costs $35, you are not going to see it for UNDER that.
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[20:21] <Ryzari> and you prolly won't see one in stock on amazon at that price.. ever
[20:21] <sydney_untangle> Plus shipping*
[20:22] <Ryzari> they get bought up fast if they pop up at $35, then get resold for $45+
[20:23] <sydney_untangle> Yeah, 45$ all together is about right here.
[20:23] <sydney_untangle> Keep saving my pennies. :P
[20:24] <Tenkawa> check microcenter's cost to ship
[20:24] <Tenkawa> if they do
[20:24] <Tenkawa> they may only do store to store
[20:24] <Ryzari> don't think they will ship pis
[20:24] <sydney_untangle> proablay not.
[20:24] <Ryzari> is one of those things they use to force ya into the store
[20:24] <Tenkawa> not sure since I'm right down the road
[20:24] <Tenkawa> microcenter is way too darn close
[20:25] <sydney_untangle> Tenkawa: Then IRC me one. :P
[20:25] <sydney_untangle> Ok, thats a bad joke.
[20:25] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[20:25] <sydney_untangle> haha.
[20:25] <Tenkawa> I dont think dcc will work
[20:25] <Tenkawa> i think thats what irc use to use right?
[20:25] <sydney_untangle> dcc?
[20:25] <sydney_untangle> Well, im afk.
[20:25] <Ryzari> even if ya got someone close to a microcenter to grab one for ya, you'd still be looking at around $40 to get it shipped
[20:25] <sydney_untangle> Thanks all.
[20:26] <sydney_untangle> Yes.
[20:26] <Tenkawa> dcc was for file transfers in irc
[20:26] <sydney_untangle> and i want to use my amazon gift card.
[20:26] <aikanaro> whois artes
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[20:26] <Tenkawa> ahh
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[20:26] <sydney_untangle> kinda need to snag another amazon gift card or 2 to do that though.
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[20:29] <sydney_untangle> haha....
[20:31] <Tenkawa> whats up
[20:31] <Tenkawa> ?
[20:31] <sydney_untangle> ?
[20:31] <Tenkawa> you laughed
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[20:32] <sydney_untangle> Never mind :P
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[20:38] <sydney_untangle> I have a feeling that its going to be a while beforei can lay my hands on a rpi...
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[20:38] <Ryzari> if you're that desperate, just pay the extra $10
[20:38] <Ryzari> you'll forget about it in a couple days
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[20:40] <sydney_untangle> :P
[20:40] <sydney_untangle> I will wait...
[20:40] * sydney_untangle sits and simmers...
[20:41] <Ryzari> like i said, if ya expect to find one for $35 on amazon, you'll never get one
[20:41] <sydney_untangle> Im not.
[20:41] <sydney_untangle> expecting that.
[20:42] <sydney_untangle> Im actually fine with the 45$+ free shipping.
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[20:42] <sydney_untangle> Just gotta save for it. :)
[20:42] <sydney_untangle> And get my parents to let me have it :)
[20:43] <sydney_untangle> If i order it direct it will be 35$ plus 10$ shipping, so same thing.
[20:44] <Ryzari> i didn't even really want one, or have a need for it
[20:44] <Ryzari> just happened to see it while at MC and figured wth
[20:44] <muriani> yeah, it's pretty much an the "impulse buy" price point
[20:45] <Ryzari> i'll never do any of the "makr" crap with it.. but gotta say.. a $35 media center/rom station is pretty nice
[20:45] <Ryzari> maker*
[20:47] <Aerosonic> I dunno. As media centres go, chromecast is the shit.
[20:47] <TheLostAdmin> Ryzari, by the time you get all the extra bits you need to turn it into a media center, you'll probably have spent over $100.
[20:47] <Ryzari> TheLostAdmin, spent $6 on a usb hub, all I needed extra
[20:48] <Ryzari> already had the rest of the stuff
[20:48] <Aerosonic> With Chromecast you probably already have the phone and almost everyone has Netflix.
[20:48] <leandro> anyone is running rpi2 as plex media server?
[20:49] <Ryzari> I have 2 chromecasts, been using em since they launched .. still think openelec beats it in some regards
[20:50] <Ryzari> leandro, don't think ya can run it as a server, but it works fine as a client
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[20:50] <leandro> Ryzari: https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/145717-i-have-pms-running-on-raspberry-pi-2/
[20:50] <Ryzari> even if it could run the server software (which there's no ARM release), I doubt it could do the transcoding
[20:50] <Ryzari> hmm
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[20:52] <Ryzari> interesting. i already have a nice freenas server built though with plex
[20:53] <leandro> just ordered the rpi2 after saw this post
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[20:54] <Ryzari> wonder how well transcoding works though, and seeking with 1080p files
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[20:55] <muriani> Ryzari: yeah I've built a nice OMV box running plex myself
[20:55] <muriani> runs like a dream.
[20:56] <Ryzari> love it, runs my sickbeard/sabnzbd/plex/transmission
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[20:57] <IWriteBugs> whoops, my bad.
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[21:08] <el3> Hi is it possible to only rotate the trrs display, and let the hdmi display stay default
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[21:09] <muriani> Ryzari: yeah
[21:09] <muriani> I dropped sabnzbd
[21:09] <muriani> didn't really have a good indexer, and what I did get was bad half the time anyway
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[21:24] <el3> Hi is it possible to only rotate dvi display, and prevent the hdmi display to rotate?
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> el3: don't think so, no.
[21:27] <el3> ok
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[21:31] <Ryzari> http://www.sbcshop.co.uk/limited-edition-mediapi-xbmc-case-with-integrated-usb-hub-for-raspberry-pi-131-p.asp
[21:31] <Ryzari> man, i'd love a case like that updated for the pi2
[21:33] <RoyK> Ryzari: neat
[21:33] <shiftplusone> seems a bit unnecessarily large.
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[21:37] <Encrypt> Huym
[21:37] <Encrypt> There was an interesting kickstarter campaign on the same subject
[21:38] <shiftplusone> You mean Slice or something else?
[21:38] <Ryzari> they were supposedly working on an updated version for the B+, but not seeing anything regarding it
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[21:38] <Encrypt> Hum, Indiegogo in fact
[21:38] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/plusberry-pi-media-box-running-on-raspberry-pi
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[21:39] <shiftplusone> ah, definitely not the slice then
[21:39] <Encrypt> $65 though...
[21:40] <shiftplusone> I was thinking of http://fiveninjas.com/
[21:40] <Encrypt> But well, if you watch the video
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[21:41] <Encrypt> It's worth $65 in fact
[21:41] <shiftplusone> sure... like the slice is worth whatever it costs https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/598/001/a59d5d378e28f586839b254673918c2d_large.png?1410963542 =P
[21:41] * shiftplusone is done shilling for five ninjas now =D
[21:42] <shiftplusone> But yeah, I remember the plusberry thing
[21:43] <TheLostAdmin> That slice thing looks somewhat interesting but the plusberry thing looks like it was designed by a teenager.
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[21:45] <shiftplusone> I think plusberry pi was pretty compelling... don't see anything teenagerish about it.
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[21:46] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, ⇧+1
[21:46] <Encrypt> :D
[21:47] <Ryzari> only thing i don't like about the plusberry, why the hell would you put a flashing led on the front, when it's meant to sit in front of your tv
[21:47] <Ryzari> would be annoying as hell when watching a movie
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[22:06] <Tenkawa> Anyone done any f2fs tests with the rpi2?
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[22:08] <Ryccardo> Someone in this channel was, apparently official kernel isn't compiled with it
[22:08] <Ryccardo> I'd like to try it too but not enough time (works fine on my home PC though!)
[22:08] <cehteh> Tenkawa: yes i did
[22:09] <cehteh> bugged, destroyed, back to ext4 for now
[22:09] <Tenkawa> cehteh: does it work better on sd cards for you?
[22:09] <Tenkawa> Ryccardo: yeah I compile my kernels all myseld so thats no big worry
[22:09] <cehteh> not ready yet, maybe 4.0
[22:09] <Tenkawa> heheh
[22:09] <cehteh> tried with 3.19, still bugs
[22:09] <Tenkawa> thought so
[22:09] <Tenkawa> darn
[22:09] <Tenkawa> oh well :)
[22:09] <cehteh> if you want you can try nilfs2
[22:10] <Tenkawa> hmm good point
[22:10] <cehteh> i tested it longer ago, seemed to be rock stable
[22:10] <Tenkawa> or just hook up one of my usb ssd's
[22:10] <cehteh> but its not optimized for flash
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[22:10] <cehteh> i would like to use f2fs, write performance was great, read performance was on par with others
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[22:11] <cehteh> but most performance is eaten by the dmcrypt underneath
[22:11] <Tenkawa> I wonder about its wear leveling though
[22:11] <cehteh> 4.0 should get a dmcrypt performance boost, waiting for that
[22:11] <Tenkawa> nice
[22:11] <Ryccardo> so wait, linux 4 is in the works?
[22:12] <Tenkawa> Ryccardo: yep
[22:12] <Ryccardo> !
[22:12] <cehteh> forget about wear leveling, sd cards are cheap, just have a backup :D
[22:12] <Tenkawa> cehteh: hehehehe\
[22:12] <kisak> Ryccardo: this is not a headline thing, it's a normal kernel maintenence cycle
[22:12] <cehteh> logging filesystem by themself lead to some wear leveling
[22:13] <cehteh> and you hardly hit that limit on normal use
[22:13] <Tenkawa> true
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[22:13] <Ryccardo> kisak: 1.x to 2.x to 3.x were allegedly pretty major changes, it's not this time?
[22:13] <niston> I wonder how long till "RAID SD"
[22:13] <Tenkawa> i still wonder if ssd via usb might just do fine
[22:13] <kisak> Ryccardo: no
[22:13] <niston> where they simply integrate RAID 1 and two mem chips into one card
[22:13] <cehteh> i've set laptop_mode to 1200 .. delaying writes for better queueing and less unneccesary writes
[22:13] <Tenkawa> niston: it can already be done
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[22:13] <kisak> Ryccardo: linux 1.0, 2.0-2.4, and 2.6 were major things
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[22:14] <Tenkawa> kisak: its all relative
[22:14] <kisak> Ryccardo: linux 3.0 was not a major change, it was folding 2.6 into a single digit
[22:14] <Tenkawa> if you got onne piece of hardware that isnt working a minor point release vcan be a big deal
[22:14] <cehteh> Ryccardo: the kernel does rolling releases, 2.6 to 3.0 did not do sufficient changes neither will 3.19 to 4.0
[22:15] <cehteh> its just to keep numbers manageable
[22:15] <Tenkawa> cehteh: they havent been manageable since the late 90's
[22:15] <cehteh> lol
[22:15] <ozzzy> there are already sd raid implimentations
[22:15] <Tenkawa> yep
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[22:15] <cehteh> unless you have multiple SD slots there is no much point to it
[22:15] <Tenkawa> not the quickest thing out there however neat
[22:16] <cehteh> i also wonder if btrfs ever fixes their issues and get stable :D
[22:16] <Tenkawa> heheheh... "if"
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[22:17] <cehteh> yes "if" .. because it doesnt look that much moving
[22:17] <Tenkawa> indeed
[22:17] <cehteh> features over features .. but none is stable enough
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[22:17] <kisak> if my tired brain is remembering correctly, in linux 2.6, the device model changed, which basicly ment all drivers had to be adapted to the new structure, that counts as a major change
[22:17] <Tenkawa> yep
[22:18] <cehteh> i'd like to use btrfs raid6 over compressed over encrypted harddrives .. but so far i wont trust it my data
[22:18] <Ryccardo> likely, I remember screwing up badly while replacing a 2.4 with a 2.6
[22:18] * Tenkawa remembers kernels in 1994/95 though.. no modules
[22:18] <cehteh> kisak: 2.6 and before had that odd/even development modell
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[22:18] <cehteh> not rolling releases
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[22:19] <Tenkawa> took a long time to compile the simplest thing
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[22:20] <sydney_untangle> Heh, i just found a 2.5A e5v router PSU.
[22:20] <sydney_untangle> 5v*
[22:20] <cehteh> hey with 4.0 we get live patching
[22:20] <sydney_untangle> that should work moded.
[22:21] <cehteh> never ever reboot the pi again :D .. haha
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[22:22] <Tenkawa> cehteh: wishful thinking
[22:23] <cehteh> yeah .. i doubt it will be possible to replace the firmware on the fly
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[22:23] <Tenkawa> heheh
[22:23] <Tenkawa> I hear ya
[22:23] <Tenkawa> firmware has always been a trouble spot
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[22:26] <jamesaxl> hello
[22:27] <Tenkawa> greetings
[22:27] <jamesaxl> howto use 5v of rasoberry pi ?
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[22:27] <Ryccardo> with a wire! one with a "female header" socket :)
[22:27] <jamesaxl> i am doing a simple test with led , but nothing work :D
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[22:28] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: i am using wire
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[22:29] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: i would like to make it work of course without code
[22:30] <Ryccardo> the 5v pin is always powered as long as the red led is on, where are you connecting the other end?
[22:30] <ozzzy> just in case anyone cares.... I ran a stress test holding the Pi2 @ 1GHz at 100% for about 15 minutes in a case... then I drilled some decorative cooling holes in the case over the cpu and ran the test again
[22:30] <ozzzy> made no difference in the peak temperature the Pi2 ran at
[22:31] <Tenkawa> nice
[22:31] <Tenkawa> no seg faults I assume?
[22:31] <ozzzy> oh no.... runs like a champ
[22:31] <ozzzy> full load on all 4 cores for 15min == 63.2C
[22:31] <Tenkawa> whats a borderline temp for the 2?
[22:31] <ozzzy> not even breaking a sweat
[22:31] <H__> nice
[22:31] <Tenkawa> mine holds at 50C or so
[22:32] <Ryccardo> I don't think you can normally get segfaults from overheating, they just slow down/crash/start smoking
[22:32] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: in GND
[22:32] <Tenkawa> sounds like that is fine?
[22:32] <cehteh> ozzzy: bare pi or coolers?
[22:32] <ozzzy> just a bare pi
[22:32] <cehteh> nice
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[22:32] <Ryccardo> jamesaxl: sounds fishy then, that combo is guaranteed to have (very little less than) input voltage
[22:32] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: what freqs and volt?
[22:32] <Tenkawa> I want to play around a bit
[22:32] <ozzzy> whatever 1GHz in raspi-config is
[22:32] <cehteh> well my pi stay colder, 60�C would be the maximum after hours at full load including gpu
[22:33] <Tenkawa> ahh
[22:33] <cehteh> (compiling kernel with maje nice -j5 while watching movie)
[22:33] <cehteh> nice make -j5
[22:33] <Tenkawa> pi2 mode?
[22:33] <cehteh> using the 1ghz setting too
[22:33] <cehteh> pi2
[22:33] <Tenkawa> theres 2 1ghz settings
[22:34] <cehteh> thats new to me
[22:34] <cehteh> well pi2 of course
[22:34] <Tenkawa> turbo and pi2
[22:34] <Tenkawa> just being sure
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[22:35] <cehteh> yeah dont want to overvolt it
[22:35] <Tenkawa> brb... rebooting to tes it
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[22:35] <cehteh> mhm whilr 600mhz ram may be nicer
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[22:35] <cehteh> but ok its good as it is
[22:36] <cehteh> this one shall run reliable
[22:36] <cehteh> i may get another one for playing 1200mhz cpu 600mhz ram, overvolting ...
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[22:37] <cehteh> or give it a try .. lemme see :)
[22:37] <Tenkawa> ok.. lets see what they do now
[22:40] <cehteh> ok got what i deserve, doesnt reboot, no i have to go over there and recover it :D
[22:42] <niston> ...and a network switch for $68k
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[22:42] <sudormrf> what would be the coolest rpi accessory in your opinion?
[22:43] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: it is low , cause when i put my finger i hae a little light
[22:43] <Ryccardo> sudormrf: something that tracks my modem's PPP light and only boots the Pi when it's been static green for a few seconds :)
[22:44] <sudormrf> such a thing exists?
[22:44] <ppq> sudormrf, an attachable touchscreen that is the same area as the pi board and uses the onboard connector instead of hdmi
[22:45] <IT_Sean> that exists
[22:45] <IT_Sean> ppq ^
[22:45] <Ryccardo> sudormrf: definitely not commercially, I'm going to make one in software (pinging google?) in the far future
[22:45] <ppq> oh, nice
[22:45] <sudormrf> what would you use the touchscreen for?
[22:45] <ppq> something in home automation
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[22:46] <sudormrf> how so? why not have an apache server running on the rpi that way you could manage it from any internet connected device? just asking
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> because having the option to control it from *right there* might be nice too, sudormrf
[22:47] <ppq> like an intercom on the wall
[22:47] <Tenkawa> brb..
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[22:47] <ppq> speaker+microphone would be nice too
[22:48] <sudormrf> like a rpi powered "jarvis"?
[22:48] <sudormrf> haah
[22:49] <ppq> :D yea
[22:49] <sudormrf> that would be awesome
[22:49] <sudormrf> I have seen some people prototyping stuff like that on youtube (without an rpi)
[22:49] <sudormrf> with IoT it makes it easier to set something like that up
[22:49] <sudormrf> they must have been building their own controllers before
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[22:51] <ppq> PC/104 or something like that
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[22:51] <ppq> there are tons of industrial pcs and embedded systems
[22:52] <ppq> since the 70s
[22:53] <sudormrf> didn't know that
[22:53] <sudormrf> that is cool
[22:53] <Tenkawa> sudormrf: its just never really been publicly available
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[22:53] <sudormrf> ah
[22:54] <Tenkawa> nor was there really demand or practicality
[22:54] <sudormrf> I suppose not in the 70s, no.
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[22:54] <Tenkawa> ppq: do you agree?
[22:54] <sudormrf> makes more sense now
[22:55] <ppq> not for regular people, no
[22:55] <Tenkawa> nod
[22:55] <sudormrf> would like to have some IoT type thing that only the controller is online. central controller, that is online. that is probably what apple home will eventually be
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[22:57] <Ryccardo> sudormrf: now that joke could become true -- how many Apple servicemen does it take to change a light bulb? one, but why bother -- your wiring system is older than a year
[22:57] <H__> auw !
[22:58] <sydney_untangle> There, a 2.5 amp RPI PSU :)
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[22:58] <Ullarah> Anybody use the standard dosbox from the debian repo on their RPi2?
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[22:58] <Ullarah> Just want to know how well it performs.
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[22:59] <gnatt> I just got a new Raspberry Pi B to replace my old broken one, I have an SD card with a raspian image on it, a monitor connected with an hdmi cable, and a usb keyboard and mouse, but I'm not getting any signal. I also can't see it on the network
[23:00] <ppq> someone tried one of those yet? https://www.gumstix.com/
[23:01] <ppq> gnatt, is it the sd card with your old os? maybe it doesnt boot because something's broken
[23:01] <gnatt> No, I formatted the SD card and put a clean install of raspian on it
[23:01] <Cintax> gnatt: are the lights coming on?
[23:01] <gnatt> Only the power light
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[23:02] <Cintax> and nothing else blinks or comes on at all when you plug it in?
[23:03] <gnatt> No.
[23:03] <gnatt> I also have an ethernet cable connected
[23:03] <Cintax> I'm assuming the lights on the ethernet connector don't come on either?
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[23:04] <gnatt> They do not
[23:04] <Cintax> are you using the same power connector as your other pi?
[23:04] <Cintax> and how did the other one break?
[23:04] <Cintax> did it stop booting too?
[23:04] <Ryccardo> they turn on only when the OS activates ethernet, afaik
[23:05] <gnatt> The other one boots to sh; cannot connect to tty; job control turned off
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[23:05] <gnatt> the broken one was a result of me hooking up a transistor wrong and grying it
[23:05] <Ullarah> What is your PSU like gnatt?
[23:05] <gnatt> The other one does have more lights come on than my new one though
[23:05] <Tenkawa> darnit... think one of my microsd's is starting to fail already
[23:05] <Tenkawa> bah
[23:05] <Ullarah> Tenkawa, I use an SSD drive that has a usb output, works great.
[23:05] <Ryccardo> fake sandisk? :)
[23:06] <gnatt> Ullrah, I'm powering it with a USB to microUSB connected to a powered USB hub that worked for my old Pi since I had it
[23:06] <Ullarah> I just use a small microsd just to boot it up.
[23:06] <Tenkawa> Ullarah: excellent.. think i will try that (got a few spare to try)
[23:06] <Tenkawa> yep that was my plan
[23:06] <Ullarah> Powering RPi with a usb hub is a hit and miss.
[23:06] <Tenkawa> mine are all on 2+ amp seperate plugs
[23:06] <Ullarah> gnatt, You should try a proper power supply with 5V2A.
[23:07] <Tenkawa> Ryccardo: fake sandisk would be a step up from these cards
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[23:07] <Ryccardo> is it an Europa Technologies?
[23:07] <gnatt> Ullrah, I'll give it a shot, but this is an identical model and it was working with my old pi
[23:07] <Ryccardo> (bought that brand once, "class 10" slower than a class 4)
[23:07] <Ullarah> What works with one, may not indeed work with the other.
[23:08] <Tenkawa> Ryccardo: no idea.. store brand
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[23:08] <Tenkawa> hehehe
[23:08] <ppq> https://store.gumstix.com/index.php/products/621/
[23:08] <ppq> now that's a small computer
[23:08] <Ryccardo> there's a tool that can read the manufacturer from the CID, I think
[23:09] <Tenkawa> they work great until they start having problems then it gets really flaky
[23:09] <Tenkawa> yeah
[23:09] <Tenkawa> ppq: I had a lot of small i.mx4 stick computers
[23:09] <Tenkawa> they all physically broke
[23:09] <Tenkawa> just stuck out too much
[23:10] <ppq> :)
[23:10] <Tenkawa> they really should be cabled to a usb power supply
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[23:10] <Tenkawa> not directly plugged in.. lesson learned
[23:10] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[23:10] <jamesaxl> raspberry power makes me sad
[23:10] <Tenkawa> jamesaxl: why?
[23:11] <jamesaxl> this shity led does not have light
[23:11] <gnatt> Ullrah, Just pulgged it in with a 5.1V2.1A ipad power supply and same result?
[23:11] <Tenkawa> gnatt: do you have another computer to plug that sd card into?
[23:11] <Ryccardo> Tenkawa: he's trying to run an external led from +5
[23:11] <Ullarah> gnatt, Then try another SD card if you can.
[23:11] <Tenkawa> Ryccardo: ahhhhh
[23:12] <gnatt> Tenkawa, yes
[23:12] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: even with 3.3 v
[23:12] <gnatt> Ullrah, The only other SD card is a 1gb one
[23:12] <Tenkawa> gnatt: make sure it can read it and check the filesystems
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[23:12] <Ullarah> gnatt, That's fine, you can use minibian with that, https://minibianpi.wordpress.com/
[23:12] <Ryccardo> jamesaxl: which color?
[23:12] <gnatt> Tenkawa, it can read it. How should I check the filesystem
[23:13] <Tenkawa> it might not have written properly
[23:13] <Tenkawa> gnatt: fsck them
[23:13] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: color of pio or led ?
[23:13] <Ullarah> fsck and touch everything.
[23:13] <Ryccardo> jamesaxl: the led (even though 5 volts should be more than enough for any color)
[23:14] <gnatt> The other computer I have is Windows :/
[23:14] <Tenkawa> oh
[23:14] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: i have blue , it works with arduino
[23:15] <jamesaxl> i am going to change resistance and wire and see
[23:15] <Ryccardo> Arduino is not current limited though, I believe
[23:16] <ShorTie> gnatt, are you using the current image ??
[23:16] <gnatt> Tenkawa, Actually I have a mac too. I'll use that
[23:17] <Tenkawa> brb... rebooting to new kernel
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[23:17] <gnatt> ShorTie: I'm using the image I downloaded 30 minutes ago from raspberrypi.org/downloads and installed with Win32DiskImager
[23:17] <ShorTie> ok, that should be all fine
[23:18] <gnatt> ShorTie: I guess I'll go fsck it to be sure
[23:18] <ShorTie> maybe try formatting sdcar with sdformatter
[23:18] <gnatt> ShorTie: I did that too earlier when I tried to put NOOBS on it
[23:18] <ShorTie> s/sdcar/sdcard/
[23:19] <ShorTie> you gotta do it after noobs too i believe
[23:19] <Ryccardo> maybe check it with "h2testw" or "f3"
[23:20] <ShorTie> noobs plays partition happy games that other things don't like from my experiances with it
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[23:20] <gnatt> Just formatted it again and now I'm rewriting the raspian image to it
[23:20] <jamesaxl> nothing :) loooool
[23:20] <Ryccardo> formally, SDs must have one partition indeed, but very little things care for that
[23:21] <jamesaxl> then i should use externel power
[23:21] <ShorTie> with what options ??
[23:21] <gnatt> Foorm Type Quick and Format Size Adjustment set to On
[23:21] <Ryccardo> ^^^^
[23:22] <Ryccardo> although it won't matter if you're flashing it with an image
[23:22] <ShorTie> i'd do full overwrite with adj size
[23:23] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: but why they put 5v if people should use externel power ?
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[23:23] <Ryccardo> as an output, or for the (ahem) power users :)
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[23:25] * shiftplusone just had a heart attack.
[23:25] <shiftplusone> Logged into the uni website to see how much I owe and read the 'max loan' amount instead of 'total owed'.
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[23:25] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: as anoutput of course
[23:25] <shiftplusone> Haven't found how much I actually owe, so there may be another heart attack incoming.
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[23:27] <ShorTie> 'max loan' - 2 pounds = 'total owed', that don't want it all you know
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[23:28] <ShorTie> s/that/they/
[23:28] <shiftplusone> nuh max loan is the max they'd allow you to incur... which is an insane amount and I have no idea how anyone could repay that... or incur that.
[23:29] <Ryccardo> just declare bankruptcy in that case :P
[23:29] <shiftplusone> heh, I don't think it works that way
[23:29] <ShorTie> 'declare bankruptcy' doesn't help here in the us
[23:30] <Ryccardo> this example would most likely be a malicious filing indeed
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[23:31] <ShorTie> i borrowed $2500 once for school, then thought, No No, if i can't pay for it i'm not taking the course
[23:32] <ShorTie> and that was back when school was cheap, before the gov got involved, lol.
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[23:59] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: i manage :)
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