#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-08

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[0:00] <ali1234> if you have 1000 samples in the buffer and every second you put in 10 samples and take out 110 samples, what happens after 10 seconds?
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[0:00] <Xark> ahop: As mentioned, it sounds exactly like what one would expect for buffered audio with processing that isn't fast enough (although, certainly other ways to "mess this up", that seems likely given Python). :)
[0:01] <ali1234> am i going to have to code this up properly?
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[0:01] <ozzzy> python appears to be able to mess up anything
[0:01] <ali1234> python is supposed to be "one way to do everything; the right way"
[0:01] <ali1234> but it rarely works like that
[0:01] <ahop> ali1234 oh please if you can help me on that
[0:02] <ali1234> mostly the obvious way is the slowest way
[0:02] <Ryccardo> python is an assault on my freedom of space
[0:02] <ali1234> ahop: i can't guarantee it will actually WORK
[0:02] <ali1234> the pi is slow, and real time audio synth needs not just CPU but also LOW LATENCY
[0:02] <ozzzy> I refuse to even try to read python code
[0:02] <ahop> ali1234 yes I know
[0:02] <Ryccardo> ozzzy: at least it isn't perl, trust me
[0:02] <ahop> but it's worth trying
[0:02] <ali1234> the pi is particularly bad at both
[0:02] * ozzzy writes in PERL
[0:02] <ahop> lots of people are waiting on this
[0:03] <ali1234> you will have a better chance of success using C
[0:03] <ahop> having a piano run on a Pi
[0:03] <ali1234> far far better
[0:03] <ozzzy> the Pi is quite a bit faster than a lot of old computers that did multimedia fine
[0:03] <ahop> yes but C I wouldn't be able to do it myself
[0:03] <ali1234> if you just want a piano on a pi then just record every note on a paino and play the appropriate sample
[0:03] <ahop> ozzzy : 1000% true! The Pi should be faster that my 486 which was able to play a few WAV in real time with at least 30 notes polyphony :)
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[0:03] <ali1234> this is how the high end synths do it these days anyway
[0:04] <ozzzy> ahop, and therein lies the problem with Python.... a good chunk of the code extant was written by people who have never actually learned to write software
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[0:04] <ahop> ali1234 it's exactly what does https://github.com/josephernest/OpenSampler
[0:04] <ahop> it plays the appropriate sample
[0:04] <ali1234> oh good grief. write it in C!!!!!!!!
[0:04] <ahop> no synthesis, no realtime repitching
[0:04] <ahop> just playback of samples
[0:04] <ali1234> why would you write something like this in python?
[0:05] <ahop> ali1234 You probably won't believe it, but I wrote a full pipe organ software sampler in Python
[0:05] <ahop> for computer, not Pi
[0:05] <ahop> achieved polyphony : more than 2000 notes
[0:05] <ozzzy> what processor, how much ram
[0:06] <ali1234> that doesn't actually answer the qquestion
[0:06] <ahop> yes this is needed with pipe organs because you can play 10 notes (big chord) with "20 organ ranks" (ie ranks of pipes)
[0:06] <ali1234> there's no actual reason to write software like this in python
[0:06] <ahop> ali1234: there is one. I was able to write this software in python.
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[0:06] <ahop> whereas in C i spent hours concatenaning strings ...
[0:07] <ali1234> do you also hammer in screws with a hammer rather than learn how to use a screwdriver?
[0:07] <Ryccardo> switch to Java ;)
[0:07] <ahop> ali1234 you're probably right
[0:07] <ozzzy> hehe.... that's evil
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[0:07] <Xark> ahop: I suspect RPi is fast enough for pretty decent synthesis, just not in Python. :) RPi2 should be even better (with NEON help).
[0:07] <ali1234> Xark: agreed
[0:07] <ahop> what is NEON
[0:07] <ozzzy> a Pi B is about a Pentium II
[0:07] <ali1234> an FPU
[0:07] <ozzzy> in some ways
[0:08] <ahop> If Pi B is about a Pentium II, it will definately work
[0:08] <Xark> ahop: NEON is like SSE on Intel. It accelerates some heavy math operations (like music synthesis, graphics etc.)
[0:08] <Ryccardo> hmmm, it competes well with my Pentium 3 800
[0:08] <ahop> Python is not the problem
[0:08] <ahop> what I did in my computer sampler with 2000 notes polyphony
[0:08] <ahop> is
[0:09] <Xark> ahop: Like a parallel FPU (does up to 4 operations at once).
[0:09] <ozzzy> well... then it's broke
[0:09] <ahop> non-time critical operations : Python
[0:09] <ahop> time critical operations : Cython (more or less, it is compiled as C)
[0:09] <ahop> and it worked
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[0:09] <ali1234> why are you doing string cat in a sound mixer anyway?
[0:10] <ahop> lol this was just an example ;)
[0:10] <ahop> In this : https://github.com/josephernest/OpenSampler/blob/master/OpenSampler.py
[0:10] <Xark> Cyhon?
[0:10] <ahop> there are no time critical thing
[0:10] <ali1234> of course there is
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[0:10] <ali1234> calling the audiocallback is time critical
[0:11] <ahop> yes the callback, that's true: the part that sums all the notes together to a 1024 bytes buffer, true
[0:11] <ahop> that this uses Numpy, which is C-compiled, and is nearly as fast as C
[0:11] <ahop> (tested)
[0:11] <ali1234> only if you use it correctly
[0:12] <ahop> (when I did the computer software 2000 notes polyphony, I really tested all these things carefully)
[0:12] <ali1234> anyway why not just use a pre-existing mixer library?
[0:12] <ahop> ali1234 I tried, but I needed some extra features, I needed to add tremolo of notes
[0:13] <ahop> ie realtime generated LFO (oscillation) on the mixed notes etc.
[0:13] <ahop> that's why I wrote my own mixer
[0:13] <ahop> (once again I'm speaking about another project, not the code you're seeing here)
[0:14] <ahop> but but but...
[0:14] <ahop> This doesn't show why THIS (http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/28431/does-this-show-pyaudio-is-unusable-on-raspberrypi)
[0:14] <ahop> stutters
[0:14] <ahop> here even in the callback, there is no time critical no operation : so summing. really nothing
[0:14] <ozzzy> got me beat
[0:14] <ali1234> well i already told you at least one bug in that code
[0:14] <ahop> sorry "no summing"
[0:15] <ahop> ali1234, I added the start stream, it's the same
[0:15] <ahop> I can correct the question if you want
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[0:16] <ahop> I corrected
[0:16] <ahop> in this code, Python can't be the faulty
[0:16] <ahop> there's no bottleneck because of Python
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[0:17] <ahop> Python does nothing here, it calls PortAudio and then that's C compiled code
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[0:17] <ozzzy> I guess it's broke then
[0:17] <Xark> ahop: Hmm, I will say, looking at your example and reading a bit about Pyaudio on RPi on Google, it does seem like something is "wrong" with your test, as other people seem to have it working.
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[0:18] <ozzzy> yep
[0:18] <Xark> While Python is slow, I am having trouble believing it sucks this much. :)
[0:18] <rocko_> hi all, nice to see U
[0:19] <jalnt> Quick question: what do you guys use your RPi's for?
[0:19] <jalnt> Looking for some ideas
[0:19] <ApolloJustice> jalnt, ZNC and nginx
[0:19] <ali1234> pyaudio contains a callback example code. test that
[0:19] <ozzzy> mine is just increasing the entropy of the universe at the moment
[0:19] <jalnt> lol
[0:20] <jalnt> ZNC actually looks exactly like what I was looking
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[0:20] <jalnt> for
[0:20] <ali1234> well apparently i'm going to use it as a synth now
[0:20] <ApolloJustice> jalnt, ZNC is great
[0:20] <sraue> Bilby, OSMC is NOT the Raspberry Port of Kodi, Kodi has RPi support done by the Kodi/XBMC devs. OSMC is "just" a distro which uses Kodi and debian
[0:20] <Ryccardo> mainly web browsing and printing memos
[0:20] <ozzzy> there's not much sense in me running a bouncer here
[0:20] <ApolloJustice> build it from source tho, ZNC in most debian repos is a stupidly old version
[0:20] <edman007> Hey, so I'm writing an app that is going to require hardware video compression, as of today, does anyone know what libraries support this on the raspberry pi?
[0:20] <ApolloJustice> current is 1.6, deb is 0.2a
[0:21] <jalnt> I'll keep that in mind
[0:21] * Xark is finding RPi2 fast enough to do some light development work on (also supports newer C++11-ish compilers). Faster and less PITA than a VM. :)
[0:21] <nefarious> Yeah, I didn't bother building znc on my pi; half the features are missing
[0:21] <Ryccardo> well, debian stable is outdated on release day so...
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[0:22] <ozzzy> nothing is outdated if it still does the job you installed it for
[0:22] <Xark> edman007: Supposedly H.664 encode is available -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/new-video-features/
[0:23] <Xark> H.264*
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[0:24] <ahop> ali1234 you are right, this was the right thing to test
[0:24] <ahop> I exactly copied/pasted the PyAudio Callback example
[0:24] <ahop> Same problem with RPi
[0:24] <ahop> I modified http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/28431/does-this-show-pyaudio-is-unusable-on-raspberrypi
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[0:24] <Xark> edman007: Looks like you want OpenMAX API -> http://sysmagazine.com/posts/207314/
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[0:24] <edman007> Xark, only via openmax?
[0:25] <charlie_sanders> anyone know what size resistor I should use for a 10mm large LED ? Are all LED's 330 ohms ?
[0:25] <ali1234> no
[0:25] <charlie_sanders> these ones https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11121
[0:25] <Xark> edman007: Hmm, Googling around, you might look at http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gst-omx/1.0.0.html
[0:25] <ozzzy> charlie_sanders, depends on how bright you want the LED
[0:25] <ali1234> charlie_sanders: what voltage do you want to power it from?
[0:26] <edman007> ahh, same thing, all well, I'll use that
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[0:26] * edman007 just tried ffmpeg, 0.22fps, rofl
[0:26] <charlie_sanders> the 12 pin off the pi
[0:26] <ali1234> what voltage is that?
[0:26] <ozzzy> 3.3
[0:26] <charlie_sanders> yeah 3.3
[0:26] <ali1234> then technically you don't need a resistor since this LED is rated for 3.4V
[0:26] <ali1234> however you should not put load on the 3.3v line
[0:26] <Xark> edman007: Ouch. :)
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[0:27] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, ahha I think I get it, if I had a smaller LED I would have to calculate how much voltage it used, then use a resistor to bring the left over back down to 0 ?
[0:27] <Xark> edman007: I think I heard somewhere on RPi2 when compiled with the right options it is 20x faster (but that still is pretty weak). :)
[0:27] <ali1234> the size of the LED makes no difference
[0:27] <Ryccardo> charlie_sanders: http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz :)
[0:28] <ali1234> that ^
[0:28] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, I mean its voltage usage - ok cool thanks Ryccardo !
[0:28] <Ryccardo> the ultimate goal is current limiting, which can be seen as many associated problems
[0:29] <Bilby> sraue ah. they've been rebranding and changing names so much lately ih ave no idea who is who
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[0:30] <charlie_sanders> Ryccardo, current limiting - ok I'll google that
[0:30] <ali1234> can the pi directly drive big headphones?
[0:30] <Bilby> not satisfactorily
[0:31] <Bilby> the wolfrum card does a pretty good job by itself, but it's still better through a proper amp
[0:31] <Xark> ali1234: Also, with good headphones you will hear just how bad the on-board audio is. :)
[0:31] * Bilby tried using a T-Amp he bought from parts express as a headphone amp and was very dissapointed at the level of hiss :(
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[0:31] <Ryccardo> Bilby: so basically not all headphones accept line level?
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[0:31] <Bilby> I want to build a Chu Moy amp
[0:32] <ali1234> actually i might as well develop this thing on my computer
[0:32] <Bilby> Ryccardo they do, but a) not all line level is equal and b) headphones -do- have a power requirement, it's just fairly small. larger / better headphones are going to respond better to more power
[0:32] <ali1234> i've got a nexus 7 and the dock and the headphone socket on the tablet can drive my headphones but the socket on the dock can't
[0:33] <ali1234> i guess it's just a lime out
[0:33] <charlie_sanders> are all the GPIO pins 3.3v ? I'm looking at this sheet https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[0:33] <Bilby> it probably has a smaller amplifier section / being driven by a different chip
[0:33] <ali1234> charlie_sanders: yes
[0:33] <ahop> ali1234 is there a mean to test if the problem comes from CPU which is too stressed?
[0:33] <ali1234> ahop: no you just have to know
[0:33] <Bilby> ali1234 if you're using decent headphones, you -can- plug them directly into a mobile device but you're not hearing nearly what the phones can do
[0:33] <Ryccardo> charlie_sanders: yup (there's a 5V one on the GPIO connector, but it's just wired to the power 24/7)
[0:33] <ahop> "top"
[0:34] <ahop> shows CPU used = 3%, is this true?
[0:34] <ali1234> Bilby: i don't believe in audiophile nonsense
[0:34] <sraue> Bilby, there is no rebrand, OSMC is the distribution, its basically a debian + kodi and uses the work from debian and Kodi devs. the Kodi rebrand from XBMC was needed for some reasons (besides it dont works on XBox anymore since ages, the Raspbmc rebrand was not really needed
[0:34] <Stephini_> gah. >.< snesdev is ticking me off. any of you have any experience with hooking up an nes controller to rpi gpio?
[0:34] <Ryccardo> ahop: top is accurate, note that in most versions 100% is relative to 1 core
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[0:35] <ali1234> ahop: 3% is the average use over 2 seconds
[0:35] <ali1234> it isn't telling you the latency and it isnt telling you the peak load
[0:35] <Bilby> ali1234 it's not audiophile nonsense, it's just basic A/V
[0:35] <ahop> if I run it during 20 seconds it should be correct, no?
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[0:36] <ahop> for example now I'm doing apt-get, it goes up 50%
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[0:36] <ahop> but before with Python, only a few %
[0:36] <ahop> really strange ...
[0:36] <ali1234> you're not even asking the right questions
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[0:37] <ahop> ali1234 what questions should be?
[0:37] <ali1234> what is the latency?
[0:38] <ahop> MIDI or audio?
[0:38] <ali1234> of your audio callback
[0:38] <ali1234> you're playing silence remember?
[0:38] <ali1234> there is no midi
[0:38] <ahop> I'm speaking of my other test
[0:38] <ali1234> yeah that's another problem
[0:39] <ali1234> you;re flitting between different bits of software and we're not mind readers
[0:39] <ahop> don't know if you've seen it (it's playing WAV files of piano)
[0:39] <ahop> yes sorry... I know what I write might be confusing
[0:39] <ahop> sorry for that
[0:40] <charlie_sanders> this is probably a dumb question, but how would I up power to 12v from 3.3 , is there a component that does that?
[0:40] <ali1234> charlie_sanders: yes it's called a boost regulator
[0:40] <ahop> ali1234 well anyway, maybe I should get a DAC to see if there is any difference lol
[0:40] <ahop> btw yours was IQaudio right?
[0:40] <ali1234> charlie_sanders: https://www.pololu.com/product/2117
[0:40] <ali1234> i don't have a DAC
[0:41] <ahop> oh wasn't it you?
[0:41] <ali1234> and it won't make any difference to your buffer underrun problems
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[0:41] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, ahha thank you!
[0:42] <ali1234> you definitely shouldn't connect that to the 3.3v line on the PI
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[0:43] <ahop> about buffer underrun, what do you think happens?
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[0:43] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, what about something like https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10213 ? Would that work ?
[0:43] <ahop> the callback doesn't give audio fast enough to the "return" of the callback ?
[0:43] <ali1234> charlie_sanders: no
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[0:44] <ali1234> ahop: yes
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[1:26] <Stephini_> wow. jstest is apparently broken or something issuing just jstest gives me the how to use but if i give it ANY args it says "no such file or directory"
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[1:47] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, what about something like https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10213 to step up voltage - I'm trying to controll a standard bulb from a GPIO pin
[1:47] <ozzzy> charlie_sanders, use a transformer
[1:48] <ozzzy> er... damn
[1:48] <ozzzy> a transistor
[1:48] <ozzzy> or a relay
[1:48] <ali1234> that is a transistor
[1:48] <ozzzy> fingers not working
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[1:50] <charlie_sanders> would something like that work ? Coming off GPIO pin into the mosfet, the mosfet to a light bulb, and the end of the lightbulb back to ground and back to the PI ?
[1:50] <ali1234> no
[1:51] <SpeedEvil> charlie_sanders: A 12V bulb?
[1:51] <charlie_sanders> I need one of these https://www.pololu.com/product/2117 ?
[1:51] <ali1234> as well
[1:51] <charlie_sanders> SpeedEvil, i'm not 100% sure on that one, i'm guessing standard lamps run at 12 volts ?
[1:52] <willmore> charlie_sanders, yes, that mosfet would work.
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> charlie_sanders: No
[1:52] <willmore> the sparkfun one.
[1:52] <H__> i think this mosfet will be fine
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> That FET is a terrible choice for a power FET.
[1:52] <ali1234> you need to get a 12V supply *as well*
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> Its maximum Vgs(th) is 2.5V - this means worst case you will have it not very on at 3.3V
[1:52] <ali1234> a FET will not magically turn the power supplied by a GPIO into 12V with enough current to light a lamp
[1:53] <H__> (the N-Channel MOSFET 60V 30A)
[1:53] <ali1234> in fact nothing can do that
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> The minimumspecified gate voltageis 5V.
[1:53] <H__> 'compatible with any 3-5V microcontroller'
[1:53] * H__ will shut up now
[1:53] <charlie_sanders> what does that MOSFET do than, it says - yeah what H__ said
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> H__: It's wrong.
[1:54] <ali1234> a MOSFET is like a electronically controlled switch
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> Most of the FETs will probably work.
[1:54] <ali1234> notice it has three legs
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> However, in-spec FETs will not work.
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> In more detail.
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[1:54] <SpeedEvil> http://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Components/General/FQP30N06L.pdf
[1:55] <H__> SpeedEvil: very interesting, why not ? (i'm trying to learn here)
[1:55] <charlie_sanders> me too - this is all great infoi
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> Page 2 - gate threshold voltage. This is - worst case - 2.5V it turns on enough to have .25mA flow through it
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> The graphs are all misleading - look on page 3 - fig 2 'transfer charachteristics'
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> You see that at 2.5V and 25C it 'should' pass 4A.
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> This is the hint that these graphs are of some 'typical' part - and are not at all guaranteed.
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> In short - the number you look at to see what they guarantee is the voltage at which Rds(on) is specified.
[1:58] <H__> so if you want this fet to allow 20A to a lamp then you have to have just over 3V at its gate ?
[1:58] <SpeedEvil> Not quite.
[1:59] <SpeedEvil> If you believe the graph is typical of that FET - then yes
[1:59] <SpeedEvil> However - the worst case FET has not 4A - as shown on that graph - but .25mA flowing at 2.5V gate
[1:59] <H__> ehh, yes this is the transfer graph of said fet, no ?
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[2:00] <SpeedEvil> The threshold voltage - at which it starts to turn on varies by part between 1 and 2.5V
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> The graph may be of a part which has - say - a 1.5V threshold.
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> If you use a 1V threshold part, it will be considerably more on at a given voltage.
[2:00] <ali1234> but 3V > 2.5V so what's the problem?
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[2:01] <H__> yes, i still don't get it either
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> Because at 3.3V - with a 2.5V Vgs(th) part - that graph is basically unhelpful.
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[2:01] <ali1234> the most important question here is what type of lamp - exactly - are you trying to light, and why?
[2:01] <SpeedEvil> As you may infact - if you get the wrong (but still in spec) part get a transistor that will pass 100mA, not 20A at 3V
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> The specified 'on' voltage of this FET is very wide, and includes parts that won't switch all the way 'on' at 3.3V
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Long and short:
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[2:03] <ali1234> so at what voltage is that FET guaranteed to be all the way on?
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Look at the voltage specified under Rds(on)
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Page 2.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> It specifies two maximum resistances - one at 5V, one at 10V
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[2:03] <SpeedEvil> .35 and .45 ohms
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> ^.035 and .045 ohms
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> If they thought it would reliably work at 3.3V, they would specify it at 3.3V
[2:04] <H__> i'm starting to get what you're saying
[2:04] <charlie_sanders> so this particular FET is a bad choice, but an FET would in fact step up voltage ?
[2:04] <ali1234> they specified it at 2.5V so that means they think it will work reliably at 2.5V, and 3.3V > 2.5V, so if anything i am now more confused
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> It may work - most of the time, with most shipped parts, at 3.3V - but if you get a part that is completely in spec but worst case, it won't
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[2:05] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: yes, it will reliably work at 2.5V _to_switch_ 0.25mA
[2:05] <H__> ;-)
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> Look at the test conditions on the same line as Vgs(th)
[2:05] <H__> i want error bars on these graphs
[2:05] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
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[2:05] <SpeedEvil> they really need two graphs at least - for low and high Vgs(th) parts
[2:06] <plugwash> H__, yeah, unfortunately silicon vendors never give them to you
[2:06] <plugwash> they only give you "typical" graphs which are of very dubious utility
[2:06] <SpeedEvil> Another point about driving conventional lights.
[2:06] <SpeedEvil> Conventional filliment bulbs start out with about a seventh of their nominal resistance - drawing seven times the current
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[2:07] <SpeedEvil> So you need to very much overspec the power supplies in order to cope with that spike
[2:07] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, I'm trying to power a 10.5 watt LED bulb ( http://www.amazon.com/Philips-429381-10-5-watt-equivalent-Household/dp/B00EUAQ5UA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1425776783&sr=8-5&keywords=LED+light+bulb ) through a standard light socket, with power coming off the breadboard an on the socket terminals, then back to the breadboard, It's for a an alarm clock, Id like to slowly make the bulb brighter over say 30 minutes
[2:07] <H__> so to drive this mosfet reliably you need to feed it a 10V signal
[2:07] <charlie_sanders> just FYI - sorry
[2:07] <ali1234> omg
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> H__: no - 5V works too
[2:08] <ali1234> that thing is going to be like 120V - 240V
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> charlie_sanders: that is 240V (if you're in the UK)
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> charlie_sanders: you want a relay
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[2:08] <charlie_sanders> oh lord I read that number wrong
[2:08] <ali1234> charlie_sanders: scrap that whole idea, just get some basic LEDs
[2:08] <charlie_sanders> SpeedEvil, like this https://www.adafruit.com/products/268 ?
[2:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.susa.net/wordpress/2012/06/raspberry-pi-relay-using-gpio/
[2:09] <ali1234> you can;t even dim those things usually
[2:09] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, I need some really bright LED's - but ok let me try to find some
[2:09] <ali1234> look it even says "not for use with dimmers"
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[2:09] <SpeedEvil> charlie_sanders: do you actually need to use that LED - what are you trying to do
[2:10] <charlie_sanders> its an alarm clock that simulates a sunrise - the light source I dont care too much about as long as it's bright enough
[2:11] <charlie_sanders> thanks for everyones input by the way this is all very helpful
[2:11] <ali1234> you can get some extremely bright LEDs these days
[2:11] <H__> i'd want to have this increase in intensity SLOWLY :-D
[2:11] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/transistors-mosfet
[2:11] <SpeedEvil> you can sort by rds(on) test voltage
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[2:12] <ali1234> you still need a power supply though, the mosfet is just acting like a switch
[2:12] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?catalogId=15001&langId=44&storeId=10151&categoryId=700000004651&pageSize=25&showResults=true&pf=110126954,110169937,110222496,110222867,111698391 is 1.8 through 3.3V
[2:13] <charlie_sanders> wow thats a lot of stuff I dont understand :) - gives me plenty to read up on though
[2:13] <ali1234> really bright LEDs use like 50-100mA and one of those lightbulb replacements typically will have 50 or so LEDs
[2:14] <ali1234> the one i'm sitting under has 120
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[2:15] <ali1234> if you just want to turn on and off mains powered things then the best way to do it is get some remote control sockets and reverse engineer the protocol
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> Or one big one
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> You can't dim simply
[2:16] <ali1234> no it definitely has 120, it's a corn cob type i can see them
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[2:19] <charlie_sanders> mains means 120-240 volt ?
[2:19] <ali1234> yes
[2:20] <ali1234> but that 100mA figure is the at forward voltage of each LED which is like 3.8V for white ones
[2:20] <ali1234> i have a question actually - what's the relationship between forward voltage and wavelength of an LED?
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[2:20] <ali1234> IR LEDs seem to have the lowest voltage and UV seem to have the highest, and then white are high as well
[2:21] <ali1234> is it impossible to make a white LED at 2.5V?
[2:21] <clever> i think the bandgap has something to do with it
[2:23] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-emitting_diode#Colors_and_materials this table shows it
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[2:25] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, is it possible to dim a relay ? Or is it just off or on
[2:25] <ali1234> it's just on or off
[2:25] <charlie_sanders> gotcha
[2:25] <ali1234> dimming LEDs typically involves turning them on and off very quickly - too quickly for you to see it
[2:26] <ali1234> but relays can't do that
[2:26] <charlie_sanders> aye, PWM ?
[2:26] <ali1234> they are too slow
[2:26] <charlie_sanders> ok so scatch any lightbulb idea
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[2:27] <ali1234> there's a board for the pi that can control up to 18 LEDs with 256 brightness levels and 20mA per LED
[2:27] <ali1234> also you can connect up to 12 of them i think
[2:27] <charlie_sanders> now we're talking
[2:27] <ali1234> probably not the cheapest way to do it but it would work
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[2:27] <ali1234> they are like £7 each
[2:28] <ali1234> 1 might be enough deending how bright you want it
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[2:34] <ali1234> if you want it really bright then it's best to use a higher voltage power supply to power the LEDs, like 12V, and put many in series
[2:35] <ali1234> and then mosfets to PWM them
[2:35] <ali1234> but designing all that is quite complex
[2:36] <charlie_sanders> what website do you usually go to for pi boards ? Trying to find that ( is it called breakout board ? ) LED controller
[2:36] <ali1234> also you could just buy a bluetooth LE lightbulb that can be remote controlled
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[2:36] <ali1234> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/18-channel-8-bit-pwm-led-driver-w-i2c-interface
[2:36] <clever> and now the fun begins, why is mac locking up here? http://privatepaste.com/48ffa14b9d
[2:37] <charlie_sanders> i like that bluetooth lightbulb idea
[2:37] <charlie_sanders> never seen thsoe they look sweet
[2:38] <ali1234> this way you can concentrate on the alarm UI on the pi, and just add a bluetooth adapter to control the light, which is just in a normal main lamp socket
[2:38] <ali1234> a lot of those aren't very bright, but they are a lot easier to deal with
[2:39] <ali1234> although you'll nce again probably have to do some reverse engineering of the protocol
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[2:43] <charlie_sanders> yeah I think that is a much better idea
[2:45] <charlie_sanders> love it
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[3:12] <anunnaki> the rpi is 32bit right?
[3:13] <ali1234> yes
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[3:13] <anunnaki> and what exactlyd oes the 32bit/64bit refer to? is that the processor or like a video card thing? like nintendo 64 was said to be 64bit and that game consoles were classified by that number.. like 32, 64bit, 128bit.. and whatever we have today for ps4
[3:14] <anunnaki> im a noob when it comes to hardware
[3:14] <ali1234> it doesn't really mean anything concrete
[3:15] <ali1234> usually it refers to the width of the address and data bus
[3:15] <anunnaki> my tablet is amd64.. which i guess is x86? or is x86 32bit? i never understood the differences
[3:15] <ali1234> but not always
[3:15] <anunnaki> probably not the right channel to ask in but figured someone could clear that up for me quickly
[3:15] <ali1234> amd64 is x86 64 bit
[3:16] <anunnaki> whats 32bit? x86_32 ?
[3:16] <ali1234> yes
[3:17] <anunnaki> oh wait i think i remember learning something about bits when learning about the atmega 328 chip .. it has 28 legs.. and that means its 28 bit?
[3:17] <ali1234> no
[3:17] <ApolloJustice> no
[3:17] <ApolloJustice> lol
[3:17] <ali1234> atmega328 is considered an 8 bit CPU
[3:17] <ali1234> but it has a 16 bit address bus, like most 8 bit CPUs
[3:17] <ApolloJustice> isn't the bit count the data bus length?
[3:17] <ApolloJustice> afaik
[3:17] <ApolloJustice> lel
[3:17] <ali1234> there's no standard for it
[3:18] <ApolloJustice> ahh
[3:18] <ApolloJustice> okay
[3:18] <anunnaki> i was thinking there was an easy way to know the atmega328 was 8bit but cant remember what it was.. oh well guess i have to rewatch those arduino tube videos again
[3:19] <ali1234> well the general purpose registers are 8 bit
[3:19] <ali1234> and it does have 8 bit data bus, ie it can only fetch 8 bits from memory at a time
[3:20] <ali1234> 16 bit registers are just two 8 bit registers stuck together
[3:20] <anunnaki> man i hope i saved that one video that explained it all perfectly. mightve been the attiny video i was watching.
[3:21] <anunnaki> i dont know what data busses are nor registers.. so i guess i need to do more reading
[3:21] <ali1234> it's not worth worrying about it unless you are dealing with assembly code
[3:21] <anunnaki> its like ohh yeah.. 8 bit regiibusses.. yep
[3:22] <anunnaki> god no.. no assembly code here.. although that would be cool to know
[3:22] <ali1234> if you can operate a pocket calculator then you can do assembly code
[3:23] <anunnaki> thanks for explaining the 64/32 bit stuff
[3:23] <anunnaki> really its that easy?
[3:23] <ali1234> yep
[3:24] <anunnaki> heh i alwayas though it was like binary coding
[3:25] <ali1234> it's one step up from that
[3:27] <anunnaki> compiler language right
[3:28] <anunnaki> lowest level
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[3:29] <ali1234> you are programming in cpu instructions against the real hardware, but using human-readable names for the instructions rather than just numbers
[3:29] <anunnaki> just wondering about the 32/64 bit becuase ive been going thru pi distros like socks this past week looking for the right one.. and someo actually have 32/64 bit isos whereas some dont
[3:31] <clever> all raspberrypi's are 32bit only
[3:31] <anunnaki> and i dont know what the difference between what makes 32 32bit and 64 t4 bit.. like my machine is 64bit.. but i use gentoo and they have a profile to use for 64 and 32bit.. or a "no-multilib" profile if you just want 64bit.. so i was wondering why some people would prefer just 64bit over having the 32/64bit combined profile.
[3:31] <ali1234> ApolloJustice: a good example of a CPU that can't really be defined in terms of bits is the 68000. it has a 32 bit registers, 24 bit or 31 bit address bus, and 8 or 16 bit data bus
[3:32] <ali1234> it's generally considered to be "16 bit"
[3:32] <clever> ali1234: a 64bit program can only use 64bit libs, multilib is just building 32&64 bit versions of every lib
[3:32] <ali1234> *multiarch
[3:33] <ali1234> i wonder what pi distros actually ships 64 bit tho?
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[3:34] <anunnaki> if i used the no mulitilib profile yes itll be less files since itll only be 64 bit files.. but then i wouldnt have apps like skype working.. and i think WINE. so makes me wonder why someone would want the 64bit over the 32bit files as well.. and what makes apps like skype 32 bit and why not 64bit?
[3:34] <clever> anunnaki: wine can be compiled in 64bit only mode
[3:34] <clever> ive done it
[3:34] <anunnaki> ali1234: i was looking at Kodibuntu
[3:35] <clever> then i discovered, the game i wanted to play needs .net, which is 32bit only under wine
[3:35] <ApolloJustice> ohh okay
[3:35] <anunnaki> it was orginially 64 bit i beleive but then someone made a 32bit version much later
[3:35] <clever> so now i need to compile wine again with both
[3:35] <ali1234> you should just use ubuntu :)
[3:35] <ali1234> everything just works
[3:35] <ali1234> i haven't had to compile anything in years
[3:36] <clever> ali1234: i'm having to use mac here for other reasons
[3:36] <clever> and i just discovered, that the mac system libs just hang if you are missing a > in one of the key xml files
[3:36] <clever> so the app just freezes on startup, 100% of the time
[3:36] <ali1234> heh
[3:36] <anunnaki> i might use ubuntu on my pi.. but im happy with gentoo.. i like playing with ebuilds
[3:36] <ApolloJustice> i'd use Ubuntu on a Pi if i had a spare Pi2
[3:36] <ali1234> you can't use "proper" ubuntu on a pi yet
[3:37] <ali1234> only this snappy core stuff, and only on pi2
[3:37] <ApolloJustice> my current Pi2 is running my ZNC and webpage
[3:37] <anunnaki> clever: wait thers 64bit wine too? is that what youre saying? that you had to recompile it for both?
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[3:37] <anunnaki> oh snappy core ubuntu is only for pi2?
[3:37] <ApolloJustice> yeah
[3:37] <ali1234> yes
[3:38] <ali1234> what is this wolfram-engine thing and do i need it?
[3:38] <ApolloJustice> it's educational
[3:38] <ApolloJustice> you don't
[3:38] <clever> anunnaki: wine has 3 modes, 32bit only, 64bit only, and both
[3:38] <anunnaki> whats ZNC and i cant see your name its dark blue and i have my tablet hooked to my flat screen since the screen burned out so its hard to see the channel
[3:38] <ali1234> it's like 300mb
[3:38] <clever> anunnaki: being on a 64bit machine, i was silly and set it to 64bit only
[3:38] <ali1234> "After this operation, 460 MB disk space will be freed."
[3:38] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, a IRC Bouncer that lets you appear online 24/7, collect logs and read your PM's later
[3:39] <anunnaki> clever: and arent most cool games everyone plays 32bit?
[3:39] <clever> anunnaki: the game has 64bit support, but it also needs .net
[3:39] <clever> and .net only works on 32bit wine
[3:39] <ali1234> most proprietary software is 32 bit only because the developers only want to release ONE version, for support reasons
[3:39] <ali1234> but not always, some games are 64 bit, such as xcom
[3:39] <ApolloJustice> the only game I play is Red Eclipse
[3:39] <ApolloJustice> too bad no one but me does
[3:39] <ApolloJustice> lel
[3:39] <clever> though i can see 64bit being usefull in games, moar ram!!!
[3:40] <anunnaki> clever: i was going to do 64bit only on my system.. and then deblob the kernel.. and use fsf stuff.. just to see how stripped it would be.. but then i realized i would probably be going nuts everyday not being able to use everything i thought i could
[3:40] <ApolloJustice> Red Eclipse is great but there's only like 12 people in at a time
[3:40] <ApolloJustice> futuristic quake-style FPS
[3:40] <ApolloJustice> it's awesome
[3:40] <ApolloJustice> lel
[3:40] <clever> anunnaki: adobe flash is an example of a 32bit only plugin, but you said your going fully open, so you can ignore them
[3:40] <anunnaki> clever: will .net work on 32/64 bit WINE? or just on 32bit?
[3:41] <anunnaki> i just installed wine for the first time last week and ive been using linux for ten years
[3:41] <clever> anunnaki: if wine is built for both, it will only work when wine is ran in 32bit mode
[3:41] <clever> each prefix in wine is locked to a single arch
[3:41] <clever> so you need seperate 32 and 64bit prefixes
[3:41] <clever> and it defaults to 32
[3:41] <ali1234> wine 64 used to be a real headache
[3:41] <anunnaki> clever: no iw as going to be fully opened till i learned that i couldnt use adobe flash
[3:41] <ali1234> but since the steamos i have had no need for it
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[3:41] <ali1234> i just stopped playing windows only games
[3:41] <clever> anunnaki: firefox is working on a flash replacement
[3:42] <anunnaki> i tried html4 but not all my youtube videos had it
[3:42] <clever> ali1234: i was told that space engineers worked on linux, and it was in steam
[3:42] <clever> so i installed steam
[3:42] <anunnaki> clever: oh so youre def better off building it for both then right
[3:42] <clever> then discovered, no linux support :P
[3:42] <ali1234> oh yeah it's XNA
[3:42] <ali1234> i want to play that game
[3:42] <ali1234> looks good
[3:42] <clever> it only works under 32bit wine
[3:42] <ali1234> guess i should get kerbal instead
[3:42] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, YouTube completely moved away from Flash now afaik
[3:42] <anunnaki> clever: again thats like my nomultilib question.. of why people would want a 64bit only option? seems like theres at least one program we use that is 32bit
[3:43] <ApolloJustice> i don't have Adobe Flash on my computer, and YouTube works fine for me on all videos
[3:43] <clever> anunnaki: if you went fully opensource, you can just compile everything in 64bit mode
[3:43] <clever> and you could even remove 32bit support from the kernel
[3:43] <ali1234> anunnaki: because with 32 bit you can only access 4GB of RAM, or slightly more with tricks
[3:44] <ali1234> with 64 bit you can still run 32 bit software, and also access all the rams
[3:44] <ali1234> and the MMU sorts it all out for you
[3:44] <clever> i believe under linux, the 32bit apps are limited to 3gig max ram usage each
[3:45] <clever> but with a 64bit kernel, you can have way more real ram total
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[3:46] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: fist whats ZNC? you said your pi only runs that and your webpage? is that an OS? and secondly, red eclipse.. is that like teamfortress ?
[3:46] <ali1234> there's a wikipedia page about it, listing how much a process and the whole OS can use, for windows and linux, with and without PAE
[3:46] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, a ZNC is pretty much a relay that lets you be online on IRC 24/7, save channel logs and then read your private messages later (useful when you get PM's while asleep, you can just read them when you wake up)
[3:46] <clever> i believe fully 32bit linux operates in a 3gig/1gig split by default
[3:46] <clever> 3gig for each userspace app, 1gig for ALL kernel stuff
[3:47] <ali1234> PAE is typically enabled by default in all distros now
[3:47] <anunnaki> i installed steam last week to play team fortress and civilization.. it ran like crap.. turns out my graphics card is the worst oen made for gaming and steam def doesnt like it.. IntelHD
[3:47] <ApolloJustice> and Red Eclipse is like Quake, but with a halo-esque feel
[3:47] <tjagad> Hi, i would appreciate if someone could confirm whether BCM2836 on raspberry pi 2 comes with a SMMU
[3:47] <clever> so the lower 3gig of the 32bit address space is userspace
[3:47] <anunnaki> so im upset about that.. i really wanted to play ARMA 2 too :(
[3:47] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, Red Eclipse can run on really crappy computers
[3:47] <clever> not sure how a 64/32 split would work, in theory the entire 4gig could be exposed to the userspace
[3:47] <ali1234> ARMA, there's another game i'd like on linux
[3:47] <clever> and then 4gig to infinity (almost, lol) is kernel
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[3:48] <clever> but for backwards compat, it may keep the 3gig split
[3:48] <clever> ali1234: how does PAE work?, never really messed with it
[3:48] <ali1234> ApolloJustice: ARMA is about as far away from halo as it is possible to get while still being a FPS
[3:48] <ali1234> clever: no idea, basically you get some extra bits on the address bus?
[3:49] <ApolloJustice> probably
[3:49] <anunnaki> clever: wait i can go fully 64bit? so what happens when i want to play a game on wine that needs .net then?
[3:49] <ApolloJustice> Red Eclipse has the speed of Quake, you can parkour around the stage, and shoot things
[3:49] <ApolloJustice> what else do you want in a game
[3:49] <ali1234> realism :)
[3:49] <ApolloJustice> ew
[3:49] <ApolloJustice> lel
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[3:49] <ali1234> in ARMA you get tired if you run too long
[3:50] <clever> anunnaki: it just wont work :P
[3:50] <ApolloJustice> you also do in RE
[3:50] <ApolloJustice> but then again
[3:50] <ApolloJustice> in RE you're a robot
[3:50] <anunnaki> oh.. i can still run 32bit software.. hmm i better ask the gentoo devs about that.. it might cause some issues in that system.. littlest things could break that system if you dont pay attention to what youre doing.. although the breaks are easily fixed in a matter of minutes
[3:50] <ApolloJustice> shooting other robots
[3:50] <ApolloJustice> in space
[3:50] <Tenkawa> anyone else updated to 3.18.9-v7 and seeing odd scsi problems on a rpi2?
[3:50] <ali1234> ARMA is a simulator, it's like old school flight sims, but with infantry (and planes and tanks and helicopters too)
[3:51] <ApolloJustice> i've never really played ARMA
[3:51] <ApolloJustice> the most realistic game i've ever played was BF1942
[3:51] <ali1234> i've never played it at all
[3:51] <ApolloJustice> i like BF1942
[3:51] <ali1234> but i would like to
[3:51] <ApolloJustice> lel
[3:51] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: sounds like a VNS i think its called? i actually have this irc running on someones.. screen + irssi.. 24/7. love it
[3:52] <ApolloJustice> nah, it's not like that
[3:52] <ApolloJustice> ZNC isn't a client
[3:52] <Tenkawa> \\
[3:52] <Tenkawa> oops sorry
[3:52] <ApolloJustice> to connect to your ZNC you use a client just like you would if you were to connect to freenode
[3:52] <ali1234> Tenkawa: i just did a rpi-update to test something else, i'll look out for any scsi problems though
[3:53] <ApolloJustice> so i connect using HexChat to my ZNC and ZNC then connects me to Freenode
[3:53] <anunnaki> well.. my system is only 4gb ram.. tried upgrading to 8gb but it wasnt recognized when its supposed to be. so i guess i shouldnt worry about the 64bit only system then huh? sounds like its great for utilizing ram.. although i could use extra ram since im using ZFS and its not the best with systems that are only 4gb ram but it works
[3:53] <ali1234> although i don't have a USB drive attached so i probably won't see any
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[3:53] <ali1234> anunnaki: you need 64 bit for more than 4 gb, so that's your problem
[3:53] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: and it runs on linux? is that steam?
[3:53] <ApolloJustice> Red Eclipse runs on linux, it's not on steam
[3:54] <Tenkawa> ali1234: my usb attached scsi drive stopped booting and even with the sd card running I had to scan the bus twice to get it to show up again
[3:54] <ApolloJustice> i don't think BF1942 runs on linux
[3:54] <ApolloJustice> not without wine anyway
[3:54] <Tenkawa> havent successfully booted it yet since though
[3:55] <anunnaki> ali1234: hell yeah. i think that kind of game.. huge maps.. real time. lots of strategy..is the best kind of game
[3:56] <anunnaki> i have lots to elarn about this address space stuff. thatll be tomorrows venture
[3:57] <Tenkawa> ali1234: understandable... just figured I'd ask out there
[3:57] <anunnaki> clever: ah so going 64bit only like i thought on day one was a bad idea since popular programs are 32bit like skype
[3:57] <anunnaki> ali1234: what i thought was awesome about arma.. is the dudes lips move while you talk
[3:57] <ali1234> yeah, the attention to detail is really incredible
[3:58] <anunnaki> bf1942 was awesome
[3:58] <ApolloJustice> true that
[3:58] <ApolloJustice> BF1942 does work with WINE
[3:58] <ApolloJustice> well
[3:58] <anunnaki> i think that was the one where you can call in mortars with your binos right? i LOVED that.. just watch the guys get blown up from a mile away
[3:58] <ApolloJustice> at least on Mac
[3:59] <Tenkawa> ali1234: may just have found part of my problem
[3:59] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: why do you have that setup? like is there an OS ? you can jsut use a base CLI system and connect to freenode
[3:59] <Tenkawa> something goofed up my module dependencies
[3:59] <ali1234> clever: last update fixes vsync across multiple apps for me :)
[4:00] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, it's a daemon that runs on Linux/Win/Mac
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[4:00] <Tenkawa> working on getting them fixed now
[4:00] <anunnaki> ali1234: rpi-update, what os is that?
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[4:00] <ApolloJustice> it lets me connect using any client i want, while still having a 24/7 connection
[4:00] <ali1234> anunnaki: raspbian?
[4:00] <ApolloJustice> not the biggest fan of irssi here
[4:00] <ali1234> don't run it
[4:00] <Tenkawa> raspbian yes
[4:00] <ali1234> it's only for beta testing stuff
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[4:00] <Tenkawa> ali1234: what do you use?
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[4:01] <ali1234> i use raspbian?
[4:01] <ali1234> and i run rpi-update because i'm actually testing a fix for a bug i reported
[4:01] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
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[4:02] <Tenkawa> I thought you implied you didnt run it either.. my bad
[4:02] <ali1234> i don't run it unless the developer says "hey, test this"
[4:02] <Tenkawa> you just meant to him don't yes
[4:02] <Tenkawa> ahh
[4:02] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: oh so you have an OS running on it then
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[4:02] <Tenkawa> I am almost always in developer mode
[4:02] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, yes, i have Raspbian on my Pi, running ZNC and nginx
[4:03] <jmadero> hi all - anyone use the RPi for nfs server - and if so what options do you use - mine is having some serious problems
[4:03] <Tenkawa> elaborate please
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[4:03] <jmadero> I/O errors, when streaming videos from it consistently fails after 10 minutes
[4:03] <Tenkawa> ahh
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[4:03] <ali1234> don't use NFS unless you have an exceptionally good reason
[4:03] <jmadero> UPnP works fine - but I really want NFS
[4:03] <Tenkawa> unfortunately I cant help
[4:03] <jmadero> I have an exceptionally good reason
[4:03] <jmadero> :-b
[4:04] <anunnaki> when i first got my pi i was reading about people asking how to put xbmc on raspbian.. now when i put that on there.. will it be like you boot and choose whether to boot xbmc or raspian ? or is like you just run xbmc inside raspian and opens up a window.. thats it.
[4:04] <ali1234> "really wanting" NFS is not a good enough reason
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[4:04] <jmadero> Kodi's UPnP support isn't as functional as NFS
[4:04] <jmadero> it doesn't import into your library
[4:04] <clever> ali1234: nice
[4:04] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, there's a really hacky way to install Kodi into Raspbian, but there's also distros that don't do anything but run Kodi
[4:05] <clever> ali1234: i got distracted and never finished that driver
[4:05] <clever> bbl
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[4:05] <anunnaki> ali1234: so znc is that like a ssh? but you can ssh from any platform?
[4:05] <ApolloJustice> no it's not like ssh
[4:05] <ApolloJustice> qwell
[4:05] <ApolloJustice> i guess it is
[4:05] <ApolloJustice> but it's pretty much a fake "server" that connects you to another IRC server with extra features
[4:05] <jmadero> anunnaki: openElec or raspbmc
[4:06] <Icedale> it's more like a proxy
[4:06] <ApolloJustice> ^ better explanation
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[4:06] <anunnaki> jmadero: im using openelec now.. raspbmc is going to stop beign supported soon... the dev sam, is now building OSMC
[4:06] <Tenkawa> ok.. this kernel is just scrambled
[4:06] <jmadero> anunnaki: yes I know - Sam and I talk :-b
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[4:07] <anunnaki> jmadero: not to mention raspbmc gave me boot loops
[4:07] <jmadero> anunnaki: ah that's strange - I froze my version - not interested in updating (it runs smoothly, why update what works fine)
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[4:07] <jmadero> other than NFS crap
[4:07] <Icedale> OSMC was giving me all sorts of problems. I tried Xbian and it's been a breeze thus far
[4:07] <jmadero> does Xbian allow you to install more packages?
[4:07] <Icedale> it does
[4:07] <jmadero> openElec doesn't allow NFS server stuff
[4:07] * jmadero found that to be incredibly stupid
[4:08] <anunnaki> lord4163: osmc alpha 4def needs some work. only the confluence skin was the best skin to use for it.. the other skins wouldnt show you stuff like settings...
[4:08] <jmadero> I just bought a 1 year subscription to playOn - pretty sweet but pretty lame that I had to buy it
[4:08] <anunnaki> jmadero: Openelec automatically shares your stuff over the network i jsut found out
[4:09] <jmadero> anunnaki: not through NFS
[4:09] <Icedale> OpenELEC doesn't pretend to be a jack of all trades, it's a straight up media center and nothing more than that. If you want to install other packages on your Pi either Xbian or OSMC will be more adequate
[4:09] <anunnaki> jmadero: its just like a NFS though
[4:09] <jmadero> anunnaki: no it's not
[4:09] <jmadero> I have a NFS setup - I've seen what openElec does
[4:09] <ali1234> you should prefer samba to NFS if you need general purpose file sharing
[4:09] <anunnaki> my brothers mac listed all my folders liek they were NFS
[4:09] <jmadero> you know - I tried samba again the other day
[4:10] <jmadero> it's a lot harder to set up than it used to be
[4:10] <jmadero> I'd be fine using Samba to be honest
[4:10] <ali1234> but it actually works and isn't horribly insecure
[4:10] <anunnaki> ali1234: does samba stream the files or does it make the person have to download them first ?
[4:10] <jmadero> it streams
[4:10] <Icedale> they say it's because of stability and performance reasons. while performance may be an issue with older Pis I think the Pi 2 is more than capable of doing a few more extra things other than play 1080p without stuttering
[4:10] <ali1234> there is not much difference
[4:10] <jmadero> other than setting it up is a PITA
[4:11] <jmadero> one day I'll find time to do it
[4:11] <ali1234> technically you can seek inside files on samba so it isn't streaming like http does
[4:11] <anunnaki> id love to have kept osmc on here but for some reason my wifi connection kept dropping on me.. it was so frustrating especially with my NFS.. it would lock up the whole system!
[4:11] <ali1234> but it doesn't cache the whole file locally like sshfs
[4:12] <Icedale> Kodi kept restarting on me with OSMC for no aparent reason
[4:12] <ali1234> pretty much the only good reason to use NFS is because you need to export the root filesystem from a server to a diskless workstation
[4:12] <ali1234> and given how cheap disks are these days, there's not much reason to do that other than you're a developer and need to quickly change files in the target
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[4:12] <anunnaki> Icedale: was it the boot loop?
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[4:13] <Icedale> it booted to Kodi but after a few minutes it restarted Kodi and a few minutes after that it would restart Kodi once again and so on
[4:14] <Icedale> I'm sticking to Xbian for now
[4:14] <jmadero> dammit - NFS failed again
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[4:14] <Icedale> I mostly run Kodi and Quassel or tmux/weechat for irc and it's doing fine
[4:14] <anunnaki> i want to set up a LAMP server on my pi.. I just want to learn about databases and apache.. i want to make a web page where i can play my videos.. like www.genvideos.com (youre welcome :)) will a LAMP server do that?
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[4:15] <Icedale> Kodi does restart itself every now and then but not as often as with OSMC
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[4:16] <Icedale> with OpenELEC I've yet to have any issue whatsoever but not being able to install other packages is mildly annoying
[4:16] <anunnaki> osmc i didnt have any problems like that except for wifi dropping every five minutes..and it seemed like the devs didnt even want to try to help me with it.. like they had no idea what was wrong.. said it was my power supply.. yet i didnt lose wifi on any other distro
[4:17] <anunnaki> Icedale: same here.. like openelec.. like the community over there.. but i feel like i have my hands tied behind my back using it
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[4:17] <anunnaki> so its more of a challenge
[4:17] <Tenkawa> cheers all
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[4:17] <Icedale> in my case it's probably because I'm using the Pi 2 and stuff is still kind of unstable but I'm enjoying Xbian far more than OSMC
[4:17] <anunnaki> they restricted the users terribly.. good for them though.. they wont have as many problems with it when people cant break it
[4:18] <jmadero> can someone help me set up Samba?
[4:18] <jmadero> I have it installed *I think*
[4:18] <anunnaki> have any of you raspbian users put xbmc on your system?
[4:18] <anunnaki> just wondering what its like.. does it run well.. is it a dual boot thing or does it run inside raspbian?
[4:18] <Icedale> I kinda see why they do it and I'd probably install it on another device if I didn't think it'd be a shame to just have a media center and nothing else running on it
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[4:19] <Icedale> what'll end up happening is I'll probably buy another Pi to be the media center and use this one as the "server"
[4:19] <jmadero> Icedale: I also share server/media center
[4:19] <jmadero> works fine
[4:20] <jmadero> I have a spare Pi just sitting around doing nothing :-/
[4:20] <anunnaki> Icedale: i thought it sucked at first but then i learned theres an addon for everything i want to do.. except i couldnt get my tvtuner to work with it yet.. the whole tv/dvb stuff is new to mee and very archaic to understand at the moment
[4:20] <Icedale> you can run XBMC on Raspbian but it's not an "out of the box" experience, it'll probably involve some tinkering
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[4:21] <anunnaki> Icedale: same here.. im going to buy a pi2. put apache on that and start diving into the server world that ive been missin out on
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[4:21] <Icedale> sounds like fun :)
[4:21] <anunnaki> Icedale: hmm so then i should def try kodibuntu first then before jumping into raspbian with xbmc
[4:22] <Icedale> 1st time I've heard of kodibuntu hehe
[4:22] <Icedale> does it run on arm processors?
[4:23] <anunnaki> ill admit the kodi UI is pretty attractive.. i like it when im lazy in bed at night wanting to watch an old move like Spies like US and then see the pictures of it on the screens background, with a summary downloaded from an online movie database.. totally awesome
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[4:23] <anunnaki> Icedale: same here.. someone told me it today and i thought they were pulling my chain
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[4:23] <Icedale> that's the thing with Kodi/Plex/etc, it organizes the pile of stuff you own and downloads artwork/fanart and it turns it all into an enjoyable eye candy experience
[4:24] <anunnaki> Icedale: http://kodi.wiki/view/Kodibuntu
[4:24] <anunnaki> Icedale: yep and then the skins make it even better adding more details to the movie sections
[4:25] <anunnaki> id like a skin liek my ps3s.. where you highlight the video and it starts playing the video in the thumbnail.. that to me is damn fine programming
[4:25] <Icedale> doesn't look like Kodibuntu runs on arm :(
[4:26] <Icedale> that's probably possible but very likely not on the older Pi hardware models
[4:27] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: im compiling red eclipse.. layman has it in the gamerlay overlay :)
[4:28] <anunnaki> Icedale: wait how much ram does pi B+ have? 512mb?
[4:29] <anunnaki> reccommended ram for kodibuntu is 1-2 gb ram.. damn
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[4:29] <Icedale> well, that and it only runs on x86 processors with experimental ppc builds
[4:30] <Icedale> ppc is sort of dead by now, wonder what drove them to experiment on them and not on arm processors
[4:30] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, nice
[4:30] <ApolloJustice> try and find a server with people on it
[4:31] <Icedale> you'll be able to run in on a box like and Intel NUC or something of the sort but not on a Pi since it uses an arm v6/v7 processor
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[4:32] <Icedale> 1gb ram just for a media center also sounds somewhat excessive but that may be just my opinion :)
[4:32] <tuxmascot> Hey, everyone!
[4:32] <Icedale> hi
[4:32] <tuxmascot> I'm trying to connect my VOIP gateway to my pi via a bridge
[4:32] <Stanto> mmm eyecandy
[4:33] <tuxmascot> I'm using ArchLinux-ARM
[4:33] <tuxmascot> Anyone know how to make a wireless-to-wired bridge?
[4:33] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: had to isntall it when you said it was futuristic... sold.
[4:33] <tuxmascot> I've had no luck in the arch channels with it.
[4:34] <anunnaki> love futuristic games.. that civilization Beyond Earth looks awesome.. the previes i saw look like you build your civ on a space station
[4:34] <Stanto> "Icedale> doesn't look like Kodibuntu runs on arm :(" that'd be the raspbmc build surely
[4:34] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, even if you can't find a good game to play, playing against bots is actually pretty fun because they are not stupid like any other FPS
[4:34] <Icedale> tuxmascot: http://www.glennklockwood.com/sa/rpi-wifi-bridge.php ?
[4:34] <Stanto> ApolloJustice: except ghandi
[4:35] <ApolloJustice> wut
[4:35] <tuxmascot> Icedale: This is for raspbian though and arch uses different interfaces
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[4:35] <anunnaki> Icedale: yeah i keep forgetting the Pi is an arm processor.. so that means kodibuntu wont run on any pi then..
[4:35] <Stanto> ApolloJustice: sorry, was referring to civilization
[4:36] <Icedale> tuxmascot: well, the interface names may change but the tools used will probably be the same. no?
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[4:36] <ApolloJustice> ahh
[4:36] <tuxmascot> No, Arch uses a completely different toolset for it
[4:36] <tuxmascot> Thanks, though.
[4:37] <Icedale> tuxmascot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_bridge <- this doesn't work?
[4:38] <tuxmascot> Yeah, those aren't working either
[4:38] <tuxmascot> I was just wondering if anyone has had any success with this. I just don't want to use raspbian cause it's way too bloated for my liking
[4:39] <Icedale> and do you absolutely need to use arch? :/
[4:39] <tuxmascot> ^^ lol
[4:39] <Icedale> there used to be a mini version of raspbian, no idea if it's still maintained
[4:39] <Stanto> depends what you mean by bloated
[4:39] <tuxmascot> Another thing: I don't have anything to connect a microSD card to, either...
[4:40] <sydney_untangle> tuxmascot: Install rasbian and strip it down if its that big of deal.
[4:40] <tuxmascot> Just way too much hassle when I can use arch and install what I want and actually use a good package manager.
[4:40] * sydney_untangle enver thought anything deian was bloated much. Nothing at all compared to ubuntu.
[4:40] <Icedale> https://minibianpi.wordpress.com/2015/02/18/minibian-2015-02-18-is-out/
[4:40] <sydney_untangle> never*
[4:40] <Icedale> found it
[4:41] <Icedale> no idea what's it like though, never used it
[4:41] <anunnaki> well looks like ill have to install either raspian or pidora but i dont believe i saw any thing about xbmc in pidora.. so raspian it is
[4:41] <Icedale> anunnaki: isn't Xbian an option?
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[4:42] <Stanto> tuxmascot: if you like pacman that much there's always pacapt
[4:43] <anunnaki> Icedale: doesnt seem popular i wonder if thers a reason why
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[4:43] <tuxmascot> That's just another abstraction, though. More bloat.
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[4:43] <Icedale> I'm liking it a lot
[4:43] <Stanto> tuxmascot: some might say if you don't like bloat, gentoo?
[4:44] <Icedale> oh man, the compile times
[4:44] <anunnaki> Icedale: youre using xbian now?
[4:44] <Icedale> I am
[4:44] <anunnaki> Icedale: thought you were using openelec
[4:44] <sydney_untangle> haha.
[4:44] <Icedale> before I ran xbian I did. still have the sdcard with it but right now I'm using xbian
[4:45] * anunnaki pulls up the blog he was reading about xbian
[4:45] <sydney_untangle> If you dont like bloat why not start from the kernel up on your own? :P
[4:45] <anunnaki> sydney_untangle: gentoo .. just run CLI
[4:46] <tuxmascot> Yeah, I love Gentoo for playing around with
[4:46] <anunnaki> dont even ahve to install xorg-server
[4:46] <sydney_untangle> Yeah. I compiled it once.
[4:46] <tuxmascot> Too much work to maintain though
[4:46] <Icedale> anunnaki: I wanted a media center who could function as a Quassel or tmux/weechat server as well. OpenELEC didn't allow me to install other packages. OSMC kept throwing weird crashes at me, tried Xbian and it's been a breeze
[4:46] <sydney_untangle> i never went any further than that.
[4:46] <tuxmascot> Arch is just perfectly maintainable.
[4:46] <sydney_untangle> Im a debian boy. :P
[4:47] <sydney_untangle> with i3
[4:47] <tuxmascot> I develop on debian, but only because our production server has it and my coworker is already running arch
[4:47] <tuxmascot> I run either dwm or awesome
[4:47] <sydney_untangle> Oh.Well, i like i3 and have stuck with it.
[4:47] <sydney_untangle> I like mate also.
[4:47] <sydney_untangle> for mouse based.
[4:47] <tuxmascot> I've grown out of DEs, I can't stand them anymore lol
[4:47] <anunnaki> sydney_untangle: i use it.. used ubuntu first, for a year, then fedora for a year, was about to use arch after but then tried gentoo and never looked at another distro except FreeBSD,, but i think they dont refer to it as a distro
[4:48] <sydney_untangle> anunnaki: Thats about like me.
[4:48] <anunnaki> im thinking of putting NetBSD on this pi eventually
[4:48] <sydney_untangle> Used ubuntu on my desktop for a year. Then stuck fedora on my laptop and now have debian on my desktop.
[4:49] <sydney_untangle> ubuntu 14.04 vs 12.04 = 14.04 BAD.
[4:49] <sydney_untangle> fedora loves having segmentation faults and yum issues.
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[4:49] <sydney_untangle> Better than 20 was though.
[4:49] <anunnaki> sydney_untangle: but keeping it maintained is a piece of cake.. just run cron jobs to sync portage, and upgrade your world file once every 2-3 days annd youre never sitting around waiting.. it always be only a couple packages to upgrade each time.. i never have issues with it.
[4:50] <sydney_untangle> freebsd?
[4:50] <sydney_untangle> or debian?
[4:50] <anunnaki> if i let it go a month. the update will be over 100 packages but i let it do its thing in the background while i surf the web and yak in irc..
[4:50] <sydney_untangle> yeah, i update debian every few days.
[4:50] <sydney_untangle> not bad.
[4:50] <sydney_untangle> jessie has quite a few updates.
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[4:51] <sydney_untangle> they dropped alot of stuff from wheezy to jessie.
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[4:51] <Stanto> I have a laptop running arch.. last time I updated it was 2009.. I don't think I'll be updating it. That'll be torture.
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[4:51] <sydney_untangle> Hehe, im using jessie and have only been using linux for 1.5 years and debian for 6 Mo.
[4:52] <anunnaki> Stanto: that would be interesting to see
[4:52] <sydney_untangle> i dumped wheezy quite quickly.
[4:52] <tuxmascot> Wow, when I think about it, I've been using linux since I was 8 years old.
[4:52] <tuxmascot> Never thought about it before... wow
[4:52] <sydney_untangle> im only 15...
[4:52] <sydney_untangle> wow.
[4:52] <Stanto> anunnaki: by 'interesting' you mean 'haha it wont boot, oh look it broke itself' then yes. I've seen /that/ happen.
[4:52] <tuxmascot> I'm only 18 O_o
[4:52] <sydney_untangle> tuxmascot: Cool. :P
[4:53] <sydney_untangle> Im noti n a very computer-type-family.
[4:53] <anunnaki> when i first tried linux.. i was 18.. and it was ubuntu.. when i finally got it installed i felt like i just walked into hacker paradise.. it was soo different from windows and it was just cool looking and the whole repo think blew me away
[4:53] <sydney_untangle> been using computers since i was a whole 11 years old. :P
[4:53] <sydney_untangle> Broke my first xp install without internet. :P
[4:54] <Stanto> First linux I tried was Red Hat v1.
[4:54] <tuxmascot> Me neither lol. I started teaching myself programming when I was six. I'm what you call "neuro-atypical" lol
[4:54] <anunnaki> i wish i had linux when i was 8.. hell id be hacking bitcoins into my bank account somehow by now :)
[4:54] <sydney_untangle> hehe, i dont like programming. Now scripting is different.
[4:54] <sydney_untangle> i ran xp untill i hit linux.
[4:55] * ozzzy wonders what the difference between programming and scripting is
[4:55] <tuxmascot> I love x86 Assembly, C, C++ and Python
[4:55] <sydney_untangle> well, i did have vista for a little.
[4:55] <tuxmascot> There really isn
[4:55] <anunnaki> windows made me dumb.. hell if i use windows for a coupel weeks without using linux... i feel like i was hit with the dumb stick.. i forget half the things i knew in linux for that short period of time.. but then its like riding a bike
[4:55] <tuxmascot> *isn't much of a difference between scripting and programming, it's all just abstraction
[4:55] <ozzzy> no... not in my mind.... scripting is just another programming language
[4:55] <Stanto> early linux was horrid. If you didn't have the right supported hardware, you were screwed.
[4:56] <sydney_untangle> in my mind scripting is program config files, and proramming is writing programs.
[4:56] <ozzzy> config files? that's not scripting
[4:56] <ozzzy> anyway... I'm off to bed
[4:56] <ApolloJustice> IMO scripting is automating tasks, programming is making an actual program
[4:57] <ozzzy> for me FORTRAN, Realizer, Assembly, C, PERL, PHP, VB.NET, BASH
[4:57] <sydney_untangle> a script is a short line of code that you run or a program uses... in my mind.
[4:57] <anunnaki> yeah scripting is just another programmign language.. isnt there just two types of programming languages? scripting and .. forgot what the other kind was called to refer to C, C++, java.. etc
[4:57] <Stanto> scripting isn't programming
[4:57] <ozzzy> Stanto, of course it is
[4:57] <sydney_untangle> ApolloJustice: Yeah, kinda like that.
[4:57] <Stanto> ozzzy: for an abstract definition, sure.
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[4:57] <ozzzy> it's just another language
[4:57] <Stanto> both otherwise you're saying HTML is programming.
[4:58] <Stanto> Or near enough.
[4:58] <sydney_untangle> Never mind...
[4:58] <ozzzy> yep
[4:58] <Stanto> And HTML isn't programming.
[4:58] <sydney_untangle> never said it was...
[4:58] <ali1234> HTML is data
[4:58] <Stanto> I know you didn't, sydney_untangle
[4:58] <sydney_untangle> I learned the BARE basics of python and that bored me. :P
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[4:58] <anunnaki> when i asked this similar question this smart dev who knows like every language told me theres two kidns of languages.. scripting and.. the other one that all the other languages fell under
[4:59] <sydney_untangle> i dont remember much now.
[4:59] <ali1234> javascript is programming
[4:59] <ApolloJustice> b-b-buut i like Python.
[4:59] <Icedale> just call it coding and be done with it :p
[4:59] <tuxmascot> javascript is NOT programming...
[4:59] <ali1234> yes it is
[4:59] <ozzzy> of course it is
[4:59] <sydney_untangle> i never said there was anything wrong with it, it just is not "my cup of tea" :P
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[4:59] <tuxmascot> Java*Script* is a scripting language
[4:59] <sydney_untangle> Ive considered it programming.
[4:59] <ozzzy> and 'scripting' is programming
[5:00] <tuxmascot> There is nothing that relates to programming about it.
[5:00] <sydney_untangle> oh boy.
[5:00] <sydney_untangle> i give up.
[5:00] <tuxmascot> Besides using similar syntax
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[5:01] <tuxmascot> People who think JavaScript is programming are like the startups that are trying to hire JS developers with CS degrees... No one will take it.
[5:01] <sydney_untangle> I need to go to bed. Its dumb daylight savings time tonight.
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[5:01] <ozzzy> a program is: A series of instructions given to a computer to direct it to carry out certain operations.
[5:01] <sydney_untangle> leave the time ahead!
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[5:01] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: JS is actually pretty powerful
[5:01] <ali1234> asm.js
[5:01] <Stanto> hmm there's an appropriate o'reilly quote somewhere
[5:01] <ozzzy> scripts issue instructions, or make system calls to issue instructions
[5:02] <ApolloJustice> who coined the term script? imma kill em.
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[5:02] <sydney_untangle> All i know is that i can manipulate the config files to make ap rogram rn a certian way.
[5:02] <sydney_untangle> run*
[5:02] <sydney_untangle> sleepy typing :P
[5:02] <ozzzy> sydney_untangle, that's 'configuring'
[5:02] <ali1234> the distinction between script and code is not relevant in the modern environment
[5:02] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: also https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Projects/Rhino/JavaScript_Compiler
[5:02] <sydney_untangle> goodnight.
[5:02] <tuxmascot> JavaScript is the easiest thing to compile to.
[5:03] <tuxmascot> That's like an introductory course to compilers right there.
[5:03] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: the definition of programming does not relate to wether or not hte language is compiled at runtime or not
[5:03] <ali1234> technically everything is now scripting except the microcode in the CPU
[5:03] <ozzzy> and you can make system calls in HTML5
[5:03] <tuxmascot> ali1234: No, you couldn't be farther from the truth.
[5:04] <tuxmascot> C and C++ compile down to whatever microcode you target
[5:04] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: why dont you clck a couple of these, view source, and then tell me how simple thinngs are http://js1k.com/2014-dragons/demos
[5:04] <ozzzy> tuxmascot, they're just compiled 'scripts' =)
[5:04] <acidjazz> this is just a linux neckbeard argument hes probably gonna say we should all be using slackware as well
[5:05] <acidjazz> and that amigas were awesome
[5:05] <tuxmascot> acidjazz: You're not understanding me. A compiler is a compiler, once you build it, anything you create can be compiled to that language you built a compiler for.
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[5:05] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: i understand what a compiler is, and thats true what you just said, but that doesnt categorize programmers or skill levels
[5:06] <ali1234> C does not compile to microcode
[5:06] <tuxmascot> No, it does.
[5:06] <ali1234> it compiles to assembly language, which compiles to machine code
[5:06] <acidjazz> c compiles to assembler
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[5:07] <ozzzy> which is why you can disassemble a program written in C
[5:07] <tuxmascot> microcode is assembler
[5:07] <acidjazz> microcode has nothing to do w/ c
[5:07] <tuxmascot> micro-assembler
[5:07] <acidjazz> no microcode is not asm lol
[5:07] <acidjazz> man just stop
[5:07] <acidjazz> go read about what you argue about
[5:07] <acidjazz> then argue about it
[5:08] <tuxmascot> So, what is this: movl 0x0, ECX
[5:08] <ali1234> assembly
[5:08] <ApolloJustice> when did this channel become /g/ ?
[5:08] <ApolloJustice> dammit.
[5:08] <tuxmascot> okay, then show me what you think is microcode
[5:08] <ozzzy> microcode is implimented in silicon
[5:08] <acidjazz> ere tux
[5:08] <acidjazz> wikipedia
[5:08] <acidjazz> A high-level programmer, or even an assembly programmer, does not normally see or change microcode. Unlike machine code, which often retains some compatibility among different processors in a family, microcode only runs on the exact electronic circuitry for which it is designed, as it constitutes an inherent part of the particular processor design itself.
[5:09] <acidjazz> its not a think
[5:09] <acidjazz> ozzzy is stating a fact
[5:09] <Icedale> so, what about them raspberry pis. eh?
[5:09] <ozzzy> I prefer blueberry
[5:09] <acidjazz> yea thanks Icedale lets change the subject
[5:09] <tuxmascot> Which is why you have x86 Assembly, to control the microcode.
[5:09] <acidjazz> every language is awesome and is the potential right tool for the job
[5:09] <acidjazz> no language is better
[5:09] <anunnaki> ok so found out.. theres two kinds of programming langauge types.. scripting language and programming language.. lol scripting language is programming language that dont require an explicit compilation step. scripting languages-lua, javascript,vbscritp and python. and ones used with an explicit compilation step: c,c++, D, java.
[5:10] <ali1234> except for perl, perl sucks
[5:10] <acidjazz> theyre all awesome and beautiful
[5:10] <tuxmascot> perl can blow a chode
[5:10] <ApolloJustice> perl does suck
[5:10] <tuxmascot> I've had to take over perl codebases before, and it made me want to blow my brains out
[5:10] <acidjazz> people that hate on languages or people that choose languages have much larger issues that i couldnt even imagine
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[5:10] <ozzzy> perl is great... there are more ways to skin a cat in perl than any other language
[5:10] <Icedale> call it coding and be done with it :p
[5:10] <Stanto> HTML still isn't programming.
[5:10] <tuxmascot> lol
[5:10] <ozzzy> HTML5 is
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[5:11] <acidjazz> html is programming
[5:11] <tuxmascot> Oh for fucks sake
[5:11] <acidjazz> hell this is programming
[5:11] <ozzzy> you can make system and fs calls in html
[5:11] <Stanto> It's a markup language. Not a process language.
[5:11] <acidjazz> we are harnessing a language of communication
[5:11] <ali1234> HTML5 isn't turing complete, but CSS3 is, or so i've heard
[5:11] <ApolloJustice> can we just call it "developing"
[5:11] <acidjazz> no its straight up markup
[5:11] <tuxmascot> HTML is not programming ever
[5:11] <acidjazz> in fact markup is in its acronym
[5:11] <acidjazz> very coincidentail
[5:12] <ApolloJustice> can we just call everything "developing" pls
[5:12] <ApolloJustice> lel
[5:12] <Icedale> I think we should call it Steve. Steve is a good name.
[5:12] <tuxmascot> You're organizing resources that you already have to display them in some manner, IE: a markup language
[5:12] <Stanto> ali1234: accidentally, apparently.
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[5:12] <anunnaki> wait who was telling me youtube is all html4 now and no flash? or is it html5 im thinking of?
[5:12] <ali1234> Stanto: that does not surprise me
[5:12] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, youtube is all HTML5 now.
[5:12] <acidjazz> anunnaki: its both
[5:12] <anunnaki> Icedale: hey did you notice any freezes or lags int eh settings menu?
[5:12] <ApolloJustice> no flash necessary
[5:12] <acidjazz> ApolloJustice: it still has flash backup
[5:12] <acidjazz> if you disable stuff in JS itll roll back
[5:12] <ApolloJustice> yes it does, but no videos use it anymore
[5:12] <acidjazz> but the player API and everything all defaults to html5
[5:12] <acidjazz> nah videos can still use it
[5:12] <anunnaki> i wonder if pornhub use html5 :p
[5:12] <acidjazz> just gotta force it
[5:13] <acidjazz> why hate on flash
[5:13] <ApolloJustice> yeah, but no one forces flash anymore
[5:13] <Icedale> anunnaki: a bit, yes. especially in the xbian settings menu but I didn't use it much and found the xbian-config thingie when you ssh into the machine is far more useful
[5:13] <ApolloJustice> i don't have flash on my computer
[5:13] <acidjazz> flash is probalby one of the most awesome inventions in tech
[5:13] <ApolloJustice> and i haven't ran into youtube vids that won't play
[5:13] <anunnaki> dont people hate on it because its proprietary
[5:13] <acidjazz> macromedia boosted hte internet into the future
[5:13] <Stanto> ali1234: fyi https://github.com/elitheeli/stupid-machines
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[5:14] <ApolloJustice> i've only seen Flash hate in open source circlejerks
[5:14] <Icedale> Apple users aren't too keen on it either
[5:15] <anunnaki> i didnt use flash at first,, but something i need to use had to have it.. but that was long ago and cant remember.. gentoo community likes to push people into using html5 but we have our Icedtea and flash stuff for thsoe who dont
[5:15] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: check that js1k link, js is actually pretty powerful
[5:15] <tuxmascot> Anything can be powerful, doesn't mean it's a programming language
[5:15] <Stanto> Just for you acidjazz : http://www.poptix.net/funny/videostar.swf
[5:15] <ApolloJustice> i don't have a problem with open source, but man, people who circlejerk over open source just piss me off
[5:15] <ApolloJustice> lol
[5:15] <acidjazz> lol oldschool
[5:15] <anunnaki> #fsf.. its a cult in there.. dont drink the coolaid
[5:16] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: tell me this isnt cool <canvas id = "c" > </canvas>
[5:16] <acidjazz> woops
[5:16] <tuxmascot> I try to stick to only free or opensource stuffs, but if I need to use proprietary I will, but I'll try to avoid it.
[5:16] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: http://codepen.io/acidjazz/pen/kImrE
[5:16] <anunnaki> Icedale: yeah that was the only con i read about xbian.. so i think i will give it a shot and lift these chains that openelec puts on us
[5:17] <tuxmascot> acidjazz: It's cool, still not programming.
[5:17] <ApolloJustice> tuxmascot, me too, but then there's the people that go "it's not open source, i'm not using it, there's NSA CIA RIAA MPAA software in it for all i care"
[5:17] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript - 1st line JavaScript (/ˈdʒɑːvəˌskrɪpt/; JS) is a dynamic computer programming language.[5]
[5:17] <Icedale> anunnaki: hope you enjoy it as much as I'm enjoying it :)
[5:17] <tuxmascot> ApolloJustice: I'm like that about my security software.
[5:17] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: see where it says "computer programming language"
[5:18] <tuxmascot> I don't see that
[5:18] <anunnaki> i think my OpenSource fanatic friend was telling me a way i can deblob my kernel.. go open source all the way and still sue proprietary when i needed to.. forgot what it was.. i think it was something to do with chrooting
[5:18] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
[5:18] <tuxmascot> Oh, in the wiki page, soz
[5:18] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: this is called wikipedia, its written in javascript, html, and a back end of PHP, another programming langauge
[5:18] <Stanto> acidjazz: did you create the cloth demo?
[5:18] <tuxmascot> A further bit down:
[5:18] <tuxmascot> JavaScript is classified as a prototype-based scripting language with dynamic typing and first-class functions.
[5:19] <acidjazz> Stanto: nah i wish, i think its raphael
[5:19] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: still a programming language
[5:19] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: 1st line on top of the wikipedia article
[5:19] <Icedale> potato potato
[5:19] <acidjazz> Stanto: check these http://paperjs.org/examples/
[5:20] <Icedale> wait that only works with tomato doesn't it?
[5:20] <anunnaki> from what i read, scripting languages ARE programming languages just without the compilation step..
[5:20] <tuxmascot> acidjazz: Common people call everything programming languages. A web developer isn't a programmer.
[5:20] <acidjazz> potatos compile down into mashed potatos which you can eat, there for it is a programming language
[5:20] <tuxmascot> A web developer is a web developers
[5:20] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: no just you
[5:20] <anunnaki> it said Python is a scsripting langauge.. and to me.. python is def a programming language
[5:21] <tuxmascot> A programmer works with less-abstracted languages
[5:21] <Stanto> When I saw Quake 3: Arena ported to javascript/webGL that changed my view.
[5:21] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: a web developer is a programmer as muhc as any other developer uses programming languages
[5:21] <tuxmascot> anunnaki: No, python is scripted. It's an interpreted language, just like JS
[5:21] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: so you dont know about .pyc
[5:21] <tuxmascot> That's compiled python
[5:21] <acidjazz> yes
[5:21] <acidjazz> compiled
[5:21] <acidjazz> into bytecode
[5:22] <tuxmascot> Which is interpreted
[5:22] <anunnaki> hmm i think i started something bad here
[5:22] <tuxmascot> Yes, yes you did, you should feel ashamed.
[5:22] <anunnaki> lets change the topic.. systemd vs openrc :D
[5:22] <acidjazz> chekc htis out tuxmascot
[5:22] <acidjazz> ready for htis
[5:22] <tuxmascot> OH FUCK YOU!
[5:22] <acidjazz> Common rihgt
[5:22] <acidjazz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programming_language%29
[5:22] <acidjazz> check out the url for python
[5:23] <acidjazz> for wikipedia
[5:23] <acidjazz> (Programming Language)
[5:23] <tuxmascot> >Citing wikipedia
[5:23] <acidjazz> in the URL
[5:23] <tuxmascot> >EVER
[5:23] <Stanto> acidjazz: paperjs link, oh gods, my eyes.
[5:23] <ApolloJustice> tuxmascot, go back to /g/ pls
[5:23] <tuxmascot> Wikipedia IS NOT a source
[5:23] <anunnaki> yeah i agree
[5:23] <anunnaki> i got yelled at by professors in college for using wikipedia as a source
[5:23] <acidjazz> what should we look at then
[5:24] <anunnaki> even though intelligent people edit it and put facts in there.. its not always accurate :/
[5:24] <tuxmascot> Let's abstract your argument then
[5:24] <Icedale> man, wish there was wikipedia when I was in college
[5:24] <tuxmascot> So, if I buy a "build a house kit"
[5:24] <ApolloJustice> www.python.org
[5:24] <tuxmascot> That comes with prebuilt everything and all I have to do is connect the pieces
[5:24] <acidjazz> https://www.python.org/doc/essays/blurb/
[5:24] <ApolloJustice> Python is a programming language that lets you work quickly
[5:24] <ApolloJustice> and integrate systems more effectively.
[5:24] <acidjazz> Python is an interpreted, object-oriented, high-level programming language with dynamic semantics.
[5:24] <tuxmascot> am I a Construction Worker?
[5:24] <acidjazz> python.org
[5:24] <tuxmascot> Everything is called a programming language
[5:25] <acidjazz> no you're just ridiculousely uneducated with technology
[5:25] <anunnaki> Icedale: its great.. i still used it.. for most of my research,, just sourced the same info elsewhere.. wiki is like cliffnotes for everythign. gotta love it.. made papers so much easier to write
[5:25] <tuxmascot> Doesn't mean they should be.
[5:25] <tuxmascot> acidjazz: I'm uneducated?
[5:25] <anunnaki> acidjazz: sounds liek C++
[5:25] <ApolloJustice> acidjazz, he's not uneducated.
[5:25] <tuxmascot> I've been programming for 12 years and have held 3 professional positions as a programmer
[5:25] <acidjazz> tuxmascot: yes lacking an education
[5:25] <ApolloJustice> uneducated and superiority complex are different things
[5:25] <tuxmascot> I've built simulations of nuclear reactors
[5:25] <acidjazz> in what language?
[5:25] <tuxmascot> Yet, I'm uneducated? wow
[5:25] <tuxmascot> C
[5:26] <acidjazz> yet, yes, uneducated
[5:26] <tuxmascot> I'm 18, and I am already in my senior year of a CS degree
[5:26] <ApolloJustice> acidjazz, he is not uneducated
[5:26] <tuxmascot> acidjazz: Once you get into the professional world, your CS degree practically becomes useless.
[5:27] <acidjazz> I'm aware
[5:27] <anunnaki> i would say if you are on irc youre not uneducated.. only smart people find out about this lovely creation.. stupid people never heard of it.. and thats just irc..
[5:27] <tuxmascot> You learn absolutely nothing practical in a CS program, so calling a programmer "uneducated" is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard of.
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[5:27] * Stanto throws http://www.cse.wustl.edu/~loui/praiseieee.html at tuxmascot
[5:28] * anunnaki runs and hides
[5:28] <acidjazz> are you saying you're a programmer because you are in CS program?
[5:28] <acidjazz> in a*
[5:29] <tuxmascot> No, I'm a programmer because I've held three professional positions as a programmer
[5:29] <anunnaki> i thought i was a programmer in my intro to C++ using Borland C++ in college haha..
[5:29] <tuxmascot> Now, I'm a senior level developer and going to school.
[5:29] <acidjazz> so you have to hold three professional positions as a programmer
[5:29] <acidjazz> then you upgrade to level programmer
[5:29] <acidjazz> you unlock programmer ability
[5:29] <tuxmascot> No, Senior level is determined by how many years of experience you have had in a certain technology.
[5:30] <tuxmascot> Typically 10+ years
[5:30] <Icedale> so, you're unemployed?
[5:30] <tuxmascot> No, I'm employed
[5:30] <Stanto> tuxmascot: you're 18 and you've been programming for 12 years ?
[5:30] <tuxmascot> Yeah
[5:30] <acidjazz> are you employe as a programmer
[5:30] <tuxmascot> Yes
[5:30] <acidjazz> yea started at age 6
[5:30] <Icedale> but are you senior level employed?
[5:30] <acidjazz> in C
[5:30] <acidjazz> has to be C otherwise he would be a scripter
[5:30] <tuxmascot> No, I started C when I was 8
[5:30] <tuxmascot> Yep!
[5:30] <acidjazz> and would be less of a person
[5:30] <Stanto> <Citations required>
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[5:31] <anunnaki> i built a virtual world.. i created a program called Klu that runs the show when i cant virtualize myself into the world, and i programmed anothe program called tron who likes to fly around on light cycles killing other programs
[5:31] <tuxxy> Stanto: I'm not going to start throwing personal info into IRC lol
[5:31] <Stanto> :)
[5:31] <acidjazz> i think tuxxy is ullillillia
[5:31] <tuxxy> Well, now it really wouldn't be that hard to find me from >nuclear reactor simulation
[5:32] <acidjazz> is this your work tuxxy http://www.ulillillia.us/mainindex.shtml
[5:32] <tuxxy> What is that?
[5:32] <Icedale> something from the 90's
[5:33] <ApolloJustice> it's a website for someone who apparently has an extremely inflated ego
[5:33] <tuxxy> Never seen it before
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[5:33] <acidjazz> actually i bet hes the templeos guy
[5:33] <acidjazz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EViG0Q4lTeA
[5:33] <Icedale> Given that my YouTube is over 7 1/2 years old, that I have a massive following, and I even get monetization, why should I be losing these privileges that I've had for several years? I haven't done anything wrong! Because of this, YouTube is on my abandoned list until further notice. I'm very mad at them.
[5:33] <Icedale> wow lol
[5:34] <anunnaki> this is just as entertaining as the #programming channel where they chew everyones ass out
[5:34] <acidjazz> Icedale: dood dont rea dtoo much youll go insane
[5:34] <acidjazz> Icedale: its the most insane INSANE stuff ive ever seen, next to templeOS
[5:34] <acidjazz> this guy actually coded god into an OS
[5:34] <tuxxy> Isn't temple OS just another Linux distro?
[5:35] <ApolloJustice> no it's GodOS
[5:35] <acidjazz> no tuxxy your os is written in C
[5:35] <acidjazz> form scratch
[5:35] <tuxxy> Except a schizo made it
[5:35] <acidjazz> cuz you're a programmer programming
[5:35] <Icedale> not a scripter, mind you
[5:35] <acidjazz> no heavens no
[5:35] <Icedale> or a web developer, especially not a web developer
[5:35] <Stanto> "This is serious"
[5:35] <Stanto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwxwUiDbRCk
[5:35] <ali1234> did anyone ever try to run templeOS?
[5:36] <acidjazz> web developer lol aka clean my computer desk and dont touch my c++ books
[5:36] <acidjazz> yea ali1234 i got it in a VM
[5:36] <acidjazz> i ran it and played with it
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[5:36] <acidjazz> its fast
[5:36] <ali1234> is it as crazy as it looks in the screenshots?
[5:36] <acidjazz> its so insane
[5:36] <acidjazz> its so insane
[5:36] <Stanto> Why are people even asking for Windows 10? This needs a Pi port.
[5:37] <acidjazz> m$ is doing something w/ the pi
[5:37] <ali1234> is the source even available?
[5:37] <acidjazz> btw if anyoe has a jbtek 3.5" lcd for the pi 2 i made this https://github.com/acidjazz/jbtekoverlay
[5:37] <tuxxy> "I wrote all 120,861 lines of TempleOS over the last 11.6 years, full-time,
[5:37] <tuxxy> including the 64-bit compiler.
[5:37] <tuxxy> Holy fuck
[5:37] <acidjazz> ali1234: no idea i had to stop to avoid insanity
[5:38] <acidjazz> tuxxy: but gotta check about hte 3 professional posiitons to verify professional quality programmer status
[5:38] <tuxxy> It better have some neat features if it's 120k lines. jesus christ
[5:38] <tuxxy> acidjazz: Stop with this bullshit, you called me uneducated, I proved you wrong, move along.
[5:39] <acidjazz> tuxxy: lol if you think so
[5:39] <tuxxy> Okay, prove me wrong?
[5:39] <acidjazz> i did
[5:39] <acidjazz> i urled the internet
[5:39] <acidjazz> the internet says you're wrong
[5:39] <acidjazz> it doesnt matter what matters is what you believe, noone can take that from you
[5:39] <ali1234> did anyone reverse engineer DSI and get a panel working on it yet?
[5:39] <ShorTie> nuff acidjazz
[5:39] <acidjazz> not even the scripters
[5:40] <Stanto> ali1234: DSI doesn't have to be reverse engineered to get it to work.
[5:40] <ali1234> so... does it work?
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[5:41] <Stanto> ali1234: From what I read up on it, you just need the adapter board to plug in a screen and away you go.
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[5:42] <ali1234> well that's news to me
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[5:42] <Stanto> DSI as a standard has been around for a while now.
[5:42] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: thats redeclipse game.. is it a big game?
[5:43] <Stanto> The screens just aren't cheap.
[5:43] <Stanto> acidjazz: just for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WgOWrT1yyI
[5:43] <tuxxy> Fun as shit song to play on bass, too.
[5:43] <tuxxy> ^ wrong window soz
[5:43] <ApolloJustice> anunnaki, it's about 600mb
[5:44] <acidjazz> lol Stanto wherd you find this
[5:44] <acidjazz> lol skitsofrantic
[5:45] <acidjazz> lolll mum
[5:45] <anunnaki> ApolloJustice: yeah just noticed that.. ok not too bad.
[5:47] <anunnaki> ali1234: Stanto what is this DSI? kind of screen?
[5:48] <Stanto> That extra ribbon cable port on your raspberry pi that you never use
[5:49] <anunnaki> Stanto: the gpio pins?
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[5:49] <ApolloJustice> wait you never use the gpio?
[5:49] <Stanto> Pins are not a ribbon cable port
[5:49] * ApolloJustice puts on a disgusted face
[5:50] <anunnaki> i dont have anything other than that on it.. besides the usb ports, hdmi, power port, and the thing that looks like an audio jack
[5:50] <anunnaki> no i use GPIO
[5:50] <anunnaki> i have a nrf24 module hooked up to my pi right now
[5:50] <anunnaki> relaying DHT22 data
[5:50] <acidjazz> whats nrf24
[5:51] <anunnaki> just a radio module for communication.. like bluetooth but goes way farther in range
[5:51] <Stanto> anunnaki: You've got the CSI and DSI connectors on the board. For the camera and display respectively.
[5:51] <acidjazz> cool anunnaki
[5:51] <acidjazz> i got SDR stuff going w/ a nooelec
[5:52] <anunnaki> acidjazz: yeah i have the dht22 module(temp/humidity sensor) hooked up to my arduino with an lcd screen as well.. monitoring my indoor garden
[5:52] <anunnaki> still waiting on my ph sensor.. :D
[5:54] <acidjazz> rad
[5:54] <acidjazz> im writing an interface for my lcd righ tnow
[5:54] <acidjazz> as a monitor/status for this setup
[5:54] <acidjazz> wfi/sdr scanning/audits/attacks
[5:54] <anunnaki> Stanto: oh now i see them.. never even noticed them..
[5:54] <acidjazz> trying to get inspired by sweet designs of lik.. dashboards
[5:55] <anunnaki> acidjazz: that sounds more rad than what i did.. more complex for sure
[5:55] <acidjazz> i need to basically display if things are on or not
[5:55] <acidjazz> like internet, scans, SDR devices found, etc.
[5:56] <anunnaki> acidjazz: i2c lcd?
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[5:56] <acidjazz> nah jbtek 3.5"
[5:56] <acidjazz> color
[5:56] <anunnaki> acidjazz: what are SDR devices?
[5:56] <acidjazz> right now walkie talkies
[5:56] <acidjazz> later p25's
[5:56] <anunnaki> nice.. you splurged :D
[5:56] <acidjazz> just devices found from the sdr module
[5:56] <acidjazz> yeap
[5:56] <acidjazz> heres my screen right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNG2GNo_cTo
[5:57] <acidjazz> minimal x11 w/ iceweasel on boot
[5:57] <acidjazz> then a local node server to serve it
[5:57] <acidjazz> then my SDR and wifi code will update a json file that this will reflect
[5:57] <azizLIGHT> anyone got glances running on raspbian
[5:57] <Stanto> slow screen
[5:58] <acidjazz> yea refresh rate is bad
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[5:58] <acidjazz> so mcuh for transitions
[5:58] <acidjazz> this is pretty rad
[5:58] <acidjazz> https://d13yacurqjgara.cloudfront.net/users/49966/screenshots/951398/mini_dashboard_1x.png
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[6:01] <anunnaki> acidjazz: oh its touchscreen? what was that shield icon's function?
[6:02] <acidjazz> the shield is the company logo
[6:02] <acidjazz> the animation was a loading thing
[6:02] <acidjazz> it was just a test yea
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[6:02] <acidjazz> i dont even know what im gonn do w/ touch
[6:02] <acidjazz> it already has a remote web interface
[6:02] <acidjazz> this is just a lcoal display for eyecandy
[6:03] <acidjazz> heres the interface
[6:03] <anunnaki> id love a touch screen for my aruduinio projects.. just to touch the buttons for the different data i want to view.
[6:03] <acidjazz> http://i.imgur.com/YWwJVNt.png
[6:03] <acidjazz> yea thatd be cool
[6:03] <acidjazz> like 2-3 big ones
[6:03] <acidjazz> easy to press
[6:03] <anunnaki> eventually make a brewery controller.. wher ei can turn the pumps, heating elements off and on with the touch screen
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[6:03] <acidjazz> id say on/off toggles
[6:03] <acidjazz> but nothing like a drag
[6:03] <acidjazz> these things are soooo bad
[6:04] <acidjazz> i had to disable dragging/everything in this browsers config
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[6:06] <acidjazz> in order for it to not wig out and spike cpu
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[6:07] <anunnaki> acidjazz: so that thing your buildign is going to be like a walkie talkie? transmitting voice over a distance to another device just like it?
[6:08] * anunnaki googles iceweasel
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[6:09] <anunnaki> oh its a browser for debian.. no wonder i didnt knwo what it was
[6:09] <acidjazz> http://imgur.com/K9vgYwW
[6:09] <acidjazz> thats what i came up w/ so far
[6:09] <acidjazz> anunnaki: no it detects walkie talkies
[6:09] <acidjazz> anunnaki: anod other radio devices
[6:09] <acidjazz> based on band and noise type
[6:10] <acidjazz> heres the SDR section http://i.imgur.com/DnI4hGA.png
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[6:11] <acidjazz> i need to make these icons
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[6:13] <anunnaki> acidjazz: thats neat. what made you want to build that? where did you get the idea from?
[6:15] <acidjazz> ITS A POC FOR A PITCH
[6:15] <acidjazz> sorry caps
[6:15] <acidjazz> about 4-5 of us
[6:16] <acidjazz> anunnaki: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/bk2i1pwcwd2vq5z/AADw6vtoO3YWnHgLWuBYmTWBa
[6:16] <anunnaki> acidjazz: interesting. im sitting here tryig to think of what i would use that for.. i feel like the military would find a use for that if theyre not already using something similar.. or ham radio enthusiasts.
[6:16] <acidjazz> you're correct
[6:16] <acidjazz> lots of businesses
[6:17] <acidjazz> embeded security stuff
[6:17] <acidjazz> heres an example
[6:17] <acidjazz> at gas stations, there are people that clean those tellers where you pay and pump gas
[6:17] <acidjazz> those people are unioned
[6:17] <anunnaki> im just starting to learn around radio devices and how they work.. why i bought the nrf24l modules and waiting on my bluetooth master modules to get here..
[6:17] <acidjazz> russians are payign them $5-10k cash to plant a small bt device into those things when they open em up and clean em
[6:17] <acidjazz> the device stores ppls CC info
[6:18] <acidjazz> the russian can then drive by and via BT grab that weeks CC #'s
[6:18] <acidjazz> even narlier they have CC printers in their car to print em out and sell em in bulk
[6:18] <acidjazz> anunnaki: SDR is waaay over my head, i have a buddy on that
[6:18] <acidjazz> my job is to collect hte SDR data he scans, ssend it to our DB and display it in a readable format
[6:19] <acidjazz> anyways so something like this could detect foreign objects on certain radio bands
[6:19] <anunnaki> sounds like fun stuff! right up there with satellite communications
[6:19] <anunnaki> man but what a good idea those russians came up with
[6:20] <anunnaki> like seriously.. thats some mamfia shit right there
[6:20] <acidjazz> insane right
[6:20] <acidjazz> its a huge issue
[6:20] <acidjazz> alot of casinos need something like this too
[6:20] <acidjazz> people are doing shady stuff in casinos
[6:20] <anunnaki> who wouldve thought about hijacking a gas pumps computer... and then doing by getting a hold of the company who cleans them.. genius
[6:21] <acidjazz> ever seen the ATM ones?
[6:21] <anunnaki> hell anything with a computer and money related...
[6:21] <acidjazz> https://www.google.com/search?q=atm+CC+skimmer&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=1457&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=T9z7VP3SNcy6ogTpoYKICA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#tbm=isch&q=atm+credit+card+skimmer
[6:21] <acidjazz> fits right over it
[6:21] <acidjazz> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ac1djazz/16748437642/ lookin good
[6:22] <anunnaki> theres those "Wave" scanners in supermarkets where you dont have to swipe your credit card,, you jus wave it in the air by it.. it had a built in chip.. didnt event hink about it.. but someone can probably build a scanner to pick up those waves
[6:22] <acidjazz> some sort of NFC
[6:22] <acidjazz> it just need sto be close
[6:22] <acidjazz> or ahve a very strong antenna
[6:22] <acidjazz> alot of power
[6:27] <acidjazz> alright tahts enough for today its beer time
[6:28] <anunnaki> yeah that does look good.. thats a cool project you have. showing the secure screen like that reminds me hollywood hacker movies
[6:29] <anunnaki> acidjazz: beer time now? you must be in western U.S or eastern europe.. australia maybe
[6:31] <acidjazz> yup
[6:31] <acidjazz> west
[6:31] <acidjazz> 930pm
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[6:33] <anunnaki> i want to build a device that has bluetooth, IR, and use the nrf24 radios.. itll let you choose which of the three to use by a selector switch and basically just communicate with another one of its kind. but be able to send over files like you would with bluetooth pairing on yoru phone. i want it to keep a log of the transmission as well.. and eventually add wifi and gps to it so itll log where youre
[6:33] <anunnaki> at and use wifi if available to upload the data to an online database.. which is why i want to put a lamp server on my pi.. we besides using it for a movie database,,,, ill have the logs of the devices transmissions. each will have its own unique id.. very sweet and simple prjoect to get me started.
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[6:52] <Zesty> hi
[6:53] <qubitnerd> hi Zesty
[6:55] <Zesty> I'm trying to connect rabbitmq to my raspberry pi. It appears it supports mdns `Thing.local`
[6:55] <Zesty> Now, I figured this is more of a network connection question but...
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[6:56] <Zesty> is there anything special I have to do? I'm trying to conenct between local OS X install running rabbitMQ and raspberry pi
[6:57] <Zesty> it appears theres no firewall. i dont konw if i have to open a port or something magical though
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[6:59] <fatalhalt> hey all, i got a spare 10inch tablet that I would like to use as a display, is this possible? table only has an usb port, could miracast be used to wirelessly stream video output from pi to a tablet?
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[11:27] <Ryccardo> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10599383_1529788813901096_7465102061791809210_n.jpg?oh=7316fcd9fea96cc97d33efb118d5af24&oe=5590B55B&__gda__=1435728592_605d071fa3529e30f7a2a80fc061ad19
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[11:28] <H__> aargh
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[11:33] <ShorTie> can we say unsafe
[11:33] <markit> I've ordered rpi2 at rscomponents 2-3 weeks ago... delivery date: August!
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[11:33] <markit> now on their page is stated "available at April", I cross my fingers
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[11:35] <ShorTie> ya, heard there is a silicon shortage and there off to Mars for more
[11:36] <ShorTie> Just Kidding
[11:36] <markit> :)
[11:36] <markit> I'm so depressed about the Win10 stuff, I feel betraded :(
[11:36] <Ryccardo> 4 months? that's more than custom ordering a Volkswagen!
[11:37] <ShorTie> why ??
[11:37] <ShorTie> i mean Win10 isn't even out yet
[11:37] <markit> already read an article in Rpimagazine "we can leave GNU/Linux to a more confortable Win environment, run VisualStudio etc.."
[11:38] <markit> ShorTie: yep, but the foundation has helped it's porting to rpi, wasting resources to a project that undermines freedom and source code access to learn and improve
[11:38] <Ryccardo> 1- that's freedom of choice 2- having used VS 2010 at university I know to hate it
[11:38] <markit> they are helping the guys that want to destroy what I belive is good
[11:38] <Ryccardo> 3- I doubt windows (even the RT one) will work well on such a system
[11:39] <markit> Ryccardo: people need to learn the distinction between "freedom of choice" and "freedom as computer user"
[11:39] <markit> you, as a person, are free to choose what damages your future and your education, that's fine
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[11:40] <markit> but a foundation that says it's goal is to spread education on programming can't be against Free software, or try to push proprietary one at all
[11:40] * ShorTie thinkz, no comment
[11:40] <markit> rpi was a way to let children know about GNU/Linux, a system that can be studied in all it's source, modified, improved, you can learn from it
[11:41] <Ryccardo> the official OS is still Raspbian, like my desktop PC that has a "designed for win98
[11:41] <markit> otherwise, we already have M$ stuff on their pc, and that was (one factor) of the ruin of IT at school
[11:41] <Ryccardo> the official OS is still Raspbian, like my desktop PC that has a "designed for win98 + NT" sticker but has official drivers for a truckload of OSes
[11:41] <Ryccardo> (it's an HP if it matters) ;)
[11:41] <markit> Ryccardo: as I said, the problem is rpi foundation "happy help and join" M$ project, that is a betrade OMHO
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[11:42] <markit> M$ gave since long time discounts to schools to have it's software used there
[11:42] <markit> is a "free" training for their products
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[11:43] <Ryccardo> and they need it, since they did office 2007... :P
[11:43] <markit> :P
[11:44] <markit> but people rejects LibreOffice since is "different from M$Office", but if M$ delivers Office2007, they rand a little and use it anyway, that's silly
[11:44] <markit> that's why also is so important "expose" children to GNU/Linux
[11:44] <markit> it's opens their mind, a lot think that "the computer" is M$ software
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[11:45] <markit> not that there is the machine AND an OS, distinct fact
[11:46] <markit> btw, when I asked some classes "what is Internet", they replied "google"!!!
[11:46] <Ryccardo> heh
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[11:59] <ARM9> for some reason the keyboard repeat rate in raspbian doesn't stick, it's lxde with openbox right?
[11:59] <ARM9> when I try to set it in the gui keyboard settings
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[12:01] <ShorTie> maybe try running 'dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive keyboard-configuration' after changing it to see if that makes it stick
[12:02] <ARM9> the problem is it doesn't even work when I'm in the preferences, like it's always stuck at 500ms no matter what I set it to there
[12:03] <ARM9> I'll try that
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[12:05] <ShorTie> or this maybe http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/58651/adjusting-keyboard-sensitivity-in-a-command-line-terminal
[12:07] <ShorTie> and if all else fails, Mr.Google 'debian change keyboard repeat rate' might be the answer
[12:08] <ARM9> yeah I already tried googling something like that, where I got that link, sadly my kbdrate is busto
[12:08] <ARM9> cannot open /dev/port no such file etc.
[12:08] <ARM9> tried with sudo and all that
[12:08] <Waxhead> Hi, I am just testing a my new pi2 but it randomly "freeze" with sdcard led lit. Ejecting the sdcard sometimes makes the led turn off and sometimes not. sdcard issue or other known problem?
[12:08] <ARM9> found something about xset
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[12:09] <ARM9> ah yes, xset did it
[12:11] <ShorTie> Waxhead, what kind of power adapter are you using ??
[12:11] <Waxhead> ShorTie one that work flawlessly with the B and B+ models ... let me have a look
[12:12] <ShorTie> power adapter/micro-usb cable would be the 1st places to look i believe
[12:12] <Waxhead> ShorTie: 1Amp
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[12:12] <ARM9> are you using any usb peripherals? I hear the pi2 wants 2amp for that
[12:13] <ShorTie> sortta on the low side, foundations recommends a 2.5amp
[12:13] <Waxhead> Nope - just the plain pi2 and an sdcard
[12:13] <ShorTie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
[12:14] <ShorTie> is this an old sdcard/image or a fresh image write ??
[12:14] <Waxhead> ShorTie: using a new sdcard - fresh image
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[12:15] <ShorTie> ok, hmmm, got another sdcard to try maybe ??
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[12:16] <Waxhead> ShorTie: sure... so this boils down to a sdcard issue then.
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[12:17] <ShorTie> 3 out 5 of the new samsung sdcards i got don't work
[12:17] <ShorTie> not sure, but gotta try to elimate posibilities
[12:18] <Waxhead> I use a sandisk extreeme... btw this is the output http://paste.debian.net/160222/
[12:18] <ShorTie> same type thing, hung on green light trying to do a apt-get update/upgrade....
[12:19] <Waxhead> ShorTie: I have this hangs regardless of load... happens every now and then for no obvious reason (even with the rpi2 idle)
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[12:21] <ShorTie> maybe try re-downloading the freshes image from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ too...
[12:21] <Waxhead> ShorTie: I downloaded a image just a few hours ago
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[12:23] <ShorTie> that choice of sdcard may not be the best either really
[12:24] <ShorTie> total waste for a pi, you only need a c4 or c6, not sure if u1's are any good really
[12:24] <ShorTie> sortta like beyound the pi's mental capacity
[12:25] <cute_korean_girl> whats a verb for "treating someone very cruelly"?
[12:25] <cute_korean_girl> wait, wrong channel
[12:25] <cute_korean_girl> lol sorry
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[12:28] <Hix_> morning peeps
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[12:34] <Hix_> !seen Hix_
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[12:54] <turtlehat> helo guys, if i want to get some kind of interrupt driven program (in c++) going where i write data to the sound output
[12:54] <turtlehat> how woudl i go about that?
[12:54] <turtlehat> i have looked, and its not going so well
[12:54] <turtlehat> aplay lets me pipe whatever to the output, but i would like to do this programmatically, and not rely on another process
[12:56] <Hix__> anyone familiar with “RPi Cam Web Interface”? Cannot ssh into pi after setting it up. Pi is headless, which is a bit annoying. Serial not appearing to work today either.
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[12:57] <ShorTie> ssh should work, RPi Cam Web Interface does not do any thing to that i believe
[12:59] <ShorTie> did you start off with a fresh image write ??
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[13:05] <Hix_> completely fresh img and did all the updates as documented. Ssh is now refusing
[13:05] <Hix_> just wondering if it changes ssh port to other than 22
[13:06] <ShorTie> ah, did you go into raspi-config and enable it ??
[13:06] <ShorTie> i think they turned it off by default
[13:06] <Hix_> no. It appears that i’m now screwed as it’s a headless pi :/
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[13:09] <ShorTie> ya, sorry, gotta get it back to a keyboard monitor
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[13:16] <Hix_> ha, just went next door “can I quickly use your TV please?” look of shock at what then ensued :D
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[13:20] <Hix_> don’t own anything HDMI in capable
[13:20] <MY123> Hix_: Don't you have a monitor?
[13:20] <MY123> Hix_: DVI capable?
[13:20] <Hix_> nope only laptops
[13:20] <Xark> Or composite even...
[13:21] <Hix_> all sorted now ssh re-enabled
[13:21] <ShorTie> cool beans
[13:21] <Xark> Cool. :)
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[13:22] * Xark has been really enjoying "get_flash_video && oxmplayer via ssh". Like a Chromecast. :)
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[13:22] <Hix_> ooh- wir haben a bit of success, albeit with an error in RaspiMJPEG every 2 seconds.
[13:23] <Hix_> “./RPi_Cam_Web_Interface_Installer.sh install” won’t reset ssh will it?
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[13:24] <ShorTie> to big of a picture/resolution for a 2 sec refresh rate ??
[13:24] <ShorTie> nop, shouldn't
[13:25] <Hix_> hmmm ./RPi_Cam_Web_Interface_Installer.sh start gives:
[13:25] <Hix_> mmal: mmal_vc_component_enable: failed to enable component: ENOSPC
[13:25] <Hix_> Error: Could not enable camera
[13:25] <Hix_> camera is enabled in raspi-config
[13:25] <Hix_> and there is a preview in a browser
[13:26] <ShorTie> hmmm, is this a rpi2 by chance ??
[13:27] <Hix_> yes, but a reboot (again again) seems to have cleared it’s throat
[13:28] <ShorTie> here is the link to the forums thread on it, i haven't really messed with it for like a year http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=63276&hilit=RPi_Cam_Web_Interface_Installer&start=1350
[13:29] <Hix_> seems to be working. Though I’ll have to config it correctly as changing the settings on the browser forces a restart and kills ssh
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[13:38] <Hix_> any reliable resources for a reset button on the RPi2? REad about the p6 header, but that needs a sudo halt first
[13:38] <Hix_> headless reset woes
[13:39] <ozzzy> you don't want to be pressing reset before a halt anyway
[13:40] <Hix_> that’s what I was getting at. Wanted to try and make the button trigger a sudo halt if possible
[13:41] <Hix_> hmm http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/13203/creating-halt-wake-button looks like ti may have some mileage
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[13:46] <ozzzy> resetting the cpu won't do that LOL
[13:46] <ozzzy> so... what you want is a button connected to a GPIO that starts a sudo halt when pressed
[13:47] <Hix_> ^^ looks like it’ll work
[13:48] <Xark> Hix_: Also https://lowpowerlab.com/shop/index.php?_route_=ATXRaspi/ATXRaspi-R2
[13:49] <Hix_> :) ta
[13:49] <alchemistswl> :'>
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[13:52] <Hix_> well I now have a button that monitors GPIO.16 and when pressed sudo halts they system. From there its a case of disconnecting the PoE and boom! al is good with the world
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[13:58] <Tenkawa> greetings all
[13:59] <Tenkawa> is there any way to push more amperage to a usb port?
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[13:59] <Tenkawa> my ssd's seems to take quite different amounts of current
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[13:59] <Hix_> powered usb hub
[14:00] <Tenkawa> Hix_: besides that hehehe
[14:00] <Tenkawa> Its got a y cable adapter port for power... just havent picked up cables yet
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[14:01] <Hix_> could you not connect 5v to USB +ve
[14:01] <Tenkawa> amazing how varied current the 3 ssd's are drawing
[14:01] <Tenkawa> Hix_: thats what the y cable will do once I get it
[14:01] <Tenkawa> was just curious if the usb port spec itself could be told to draw more current
[14:02] <Tenkawa> didnt think so however wanted to ask
[14:02] <Tenkawa> the one drive that is working is flying
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[14:04] <ozzzy> the Pi v2 will run my 320G drive... but appears won't let me hot-plug it
[14:04] <ozzzy> at least with this PSU
[14:04] <ozzzy> as I recall it worked hotplugging when the Pi was plugged into the USB3 port
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[14:05] <ozzzy> I wonder if it'll run the 500G drive
[14:07] <ozzzy> yep
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[14:14] <giacomo1989> Hi all. I'm about to buy a rpi2. Ethernet and USB share the same bandwith. But how big is this bandwidth?
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[14:17] <MY123> giacomo1989, 480Mbit theory
[14:18] <giacomo1989> MY123: Shared 4 ports + ethernet? :)
[14:18] <MY123> giacomo1989, yes
[14:18] <giacomo1989> MY123: really poor
[14:18] <ozzzy> what do you want for 35 bucks
[14:19] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: it lets me run my offbrand 64gb ssd however tried 2 different kingston hyperx and 2 different adapter and it just bus resets
[14:19] <MY123> ozzzy, he may want an Odroid-C1 like board
[14:19] <giacomo1989> Do you know other armv7 alternative with more bandwidth?
[14:19] <Tenkawa> I'm going to try a sandisk 64gb next
[14:19] <ozzzy> this is a platter drive
[14:19] <MY123> giacomo1989, Odroid-C13
[14:19] <MY123> 35 bucks
[14:20] <Tenkawa> MY123: I'm still thinking about picking up a few of those myself
[14:20] <giacomo1989> Does it run rpi binaries?
[14:20] <MY123> *Odroid-C1
[14:20] <MY123> giacomo1989, if they don't use the GPU
[14:20] <Tenkawa> I'm getting quite the collection here
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[14:20] <Hix_> bit unclear on /etc/rc.local. If adding lines, do I add them before exit 0 ?
[14:20] <MY123> Tenkawa, I hope that an Odroid-C2 will go to market
[14:20] <MY123> with GPGPU
[14:21] <Tenkawa> indeed
[14:21] <MY123> Tenkawa, the GPU in the Odroid-C1 is twice as fast as the one on the RPi
[14:21] <giacomo1989> MY123: really nice. Runs the same debian as rpi?
[14:21] <Tenkawa> MY123: even if it doesnt, its great to see where sbc and small computing has progressed to
[14:22] <MY123> giacomo1989, you can put Raspbian if you want it
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[14:22] <Tenkawa> unrelated q.. any of you in a country/location that doesnt change time today?
[14:22] <ozzzy> I have no real idea what I'm going to do with this Pi.... I don't need any other boards around to ponder ovr
[14:22] <MY123> Tenkawa, I will go to Birmingham tomorrow
[14:22] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: that sounds like me and all 12 of my project boards
[14:22] <MY123> (from Paris)
[14:22] <giacomo1989> MY123: seems very nice. I do not use a DE so can be ok for my use. Does it still have an h264 encoder?
[14:23] <MY123> giacomo1989, I don't know but it has a decoder
[14:23] <Tenkawa> MY123: wondering if tz changes cause any of the countries that dont grief in computing switchoverd
[14:23] <MY123> Tenkawa, the bug would be in 2038
[14:23] <Tenkawa> thats the 32 bit bug though isnt it?
[14:23] <MY123> Tenkawa, yeah
[14:24] <Tenkawa> ok
[14:24] <ozzzy> bug?
[14:24] <Tenkawa> btw from paris discussion.. reminds me when I was over there and Luxemburg.. .oh I miss it
[14:24] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: yeah.. 32 bit integers for clock run out in 2037/8
[14:24] <MY123> ozzzy, in 2038, all 32-bit TZ will return to 1970
[14:24] <giacomo1989> MY123: same power requirements?
[14:24] <ozzzy> that's not a bug
[14:25] <MY123> giacomo1989, around the same
[14:25] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: shortsidedness bug is still a bug
[14:25] <MY123> ozzzy, a WontFix bug
[14:25] <Tenkawa> someone wasnt thinking
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[14:25] <MY123> because it breaks the ABI
[14:25] <ozzzy> at the time 32 bits was all they had
[14:26] <MY123> ozzzy, you can have 64b timestamps on 32bit
[14:26] <ozzzy> not in 1970
[14:26] <MY123> (that is used by all modern BSDs)
[14:26] <ozzzy> ahh.... 'modern'
[14:26] <ozzzy> there's the rub
[14:26] <MY123> ozzzy, but not Linux
[14:26] <MY123> (on 32bit platforms)
[14:27] <ozzzy> I'd write Linus a sternly-worded email
[14:27] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[14:28] <MY123> ozzzy, he already knows be he don't want to break all current x86_32 userspace apps
[14:28] <MY123> *but
[14:28] <ozzzy> good plan
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[14:28] <Tenkawa> if I can find it in a microcenter search
[14:28] <Tenkawa> darn 5v amperage shortage
[14:28] * Xark makes a note to upgrade to 64-bits by 2038...
[14:29] <giacomo1989> MY123: Does the OS loads from SDcard or emmc is needed?
[14:29] <ozzzy> I figure if I'm still around in 2038 I won't care much about computers
[14:29] <MY123> giacomo1989, both are possible
[14:29] <giacomo1989> MY123: nice :)
[14:30] <MY123> Xark, I'm already using 64bit systems
[14:30] <MY123> since 8 years except RPis
[14:30] <Tenkawa> ugggh molex cables are too easy to find.. usb power not so much
[14:31] <Xark> MY123: Yeah. I think I'll be fine Worst case I'll just have to reboot my Raspberry Pi then and be happy with time the 70s again. :)
[14:32] <Tenkawa> of course the vendor doesnt even give me a part number to use
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[14:33] <Xark> MY123: Of course the big problem looms... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_10,000_problem
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[14:38] <Tenkawa> Xark: yeah.. I've got my calendar counting that one down
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[14:39] <Tenkawa> not sure if I'll be ready
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[14:41] <Tenkawa> might not be enough time
[14:41] <Tenkawa> heehee
[14:41] <Xark> Just put a few dollars in an investment account, and you'll have plenty to cover any disaster expenses. :)
[14:41] <Tenkawa> except those banks wont last
[14:41] <Tenkawa> heheh
[14:42] <Xark> Pick "big" ones that can't possibly fail...
[14:42] <Tenkawa> heheeheheh
[14:42] * Tenkawa tries to rememeber somee of the ones in the big financial crash
[14:43] <Tenkawa> and points out how well that worked out :(
[14:44] <Tenkawa> or rather... didnt
[14:45] * Xark is positive Lehman Brothers won't let him down when the time comes. :)
[14:48] <Tenkawa> heheeheh
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[14:49] <divx118> Anyone using lirc. I am getting "lirc_rpi: gpio chip not found!" rpi B+
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[14:51] <Xark> divx118: I believe you need to enable it in the "device tree"...
[14:51] <Xark> https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/issues/3908
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[14:52] <divx118> Xark Thanks, that could be it.
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[14:53] <giacomo1989> MY123: do you mind trying to run a binary for me?
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[14:54] <MY123> giacomo1989, ok if it's not too big
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[14:54] <giacomo1989> MY123: http://feed.flightradar24.com/raspberry-pi/fr24feed_1.0.12-3_armhf.deb
[14:55] <giacomo1989> very tiny
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[14:55] <giacomo1989> MY123: you can just try to run the binary inside the deb without installing it
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[14:58] <Froolap> will pidora boot on the orange pi?
[14:59] <MY123> v
[14:59] <MY123> giacomo1989, root@msm-ubuntu-tsrv:/test/usr/bin# ./fr24feed
[14:59] <MY123> libcommon read_config failed - /etc/fr24feed.ini
[14:59] <MY123> [main][i]FR24 Feeder/Decoder [0x02117000]
[14:59] <MY123> [main][i]Version: 1.0.12-3/generic
[14:59] <MY123> [main][i]Built on 20150209-1316 (r:master-0a6ad34.git/Linux/armv6l)
[14:59] <MY123> [main][i]Copyright 2008-2015 (c) Piotr Pawluczuk
[14:59] <MY123> [main][i]Flightradar24 AB(http://flightradar24.com)
[14:59] <MY123> [main][i]DNS mode: LIBC
[14:59] <MY123> FR24 Feeder/Decoder usage:
[15:00] <MY123> ./fr24feed --fr24key=0123456789ABCDEF| Start feeding process manually
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[15:00] <MY123> ./fr24feed --signup | Sign up and configure
[15:00] <MY123> ./fr24feed --reconfigure | Change configuration
[15:00] <MY123> ./fr24feed --version | Show binary version number
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[15:00] <giacomo1989> MY123: seem to start correctly :D
[15:01] <giacomo1989> MY123: Many thanks!. Does all orders ship from korea?
[15:01] <MY123> giacomo1989, I think so
[15:01] <giacomo1989> MY123: Support in case of damage? :(
[15:02] <MY123> giacomo1989, 1 year warranty
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[15:02] <giacomo1989> MY123: how long does the shipping takes to italy?
[15:02] <MY123> giacomo1989, I don't know
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[15:03] <MY123> (2 weeks to France)
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[15:03] <giacomo1989> MY123: Not bad. Seems much faster compared to china
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[15:12] <Tenkawa> here goes experiment #30000.......
[15:12] <Tenkawa> this should be "interesting"
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[15:24] <Tenkawa> yay
[15:24] <Tenkawa> sandisk worked
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[15:27] <Tenkawa> 2 rpi2's on ssd
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[15:30] <Tenkawa> 2 ssd's I cant use without power backing however 2 that are working fine
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[15:32] <divx118> Xark Thanks again. Needed to add "dtoverlay=lirc-rpi,gpio_in_pin=5,gpio_out_pin=6" to /boot/config.txt didn't at first know that I also needed to add my used gpio pins there. Now all is working again. :)
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[15:36] <Tenkawa> cool... thats 2 on ssd's and one still ising microsd
[15:36] <Tenkawa> not bad
[15:36] <Tenkawa> cheers all I'll bbl.
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[15:56] <Froolap> Ohhhhh that is so sad.... sooo sad.... I'm disapointed.
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[15:57] <Froolap> My old pata 40 gig laptop drive is 1/8 of an inch larger than the raspberry pi B+ case in all directions.....
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[15:57] <ShorTie> Y 4 is that ??
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[15:58] <Froolap> It would have been so sweet if it could have fit the case.
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[16:06] <jmadero> anyone around to help me set up samba ?
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[16:14] <ubik> abilify is not for everyone
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[16:29] <niston> the medication?
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[16:31] <abnormal> niston, what causes the pi to multiopen xchat on one click?
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[16:50] <abnormal> well I guess no one is gunna ans this one...
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[17:06] <sydney_untangle> Good afternoon...
[17:07] <Ryccardo> ~
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[17:58] <mrmoney2012> ho, i have this .sh sheel script here. in /home/pi/scripts/gcal.sh ….. http://pastie.org/10009878
[17:58] <mrmoney2012> works great when i run it from ssh like this…
[17:59] <mrmoney2012> ./gcal.sh &
[17:59] <mrmoney2012> but not when i try and start it from crontab @reboot - the output file is created but empty !
[18:00] <mrmoney2012> how do i make it start properly on an @reboot line in crontab
[18:00] <mrmoney2012> i don’t think it’s as easy as … @reboot /home/pi/scripts/gcal.sh
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[18:01] <mrmoney2012> i currently have @reboot sh /home/pi/scripts/gcal.sh 2>&1 … which ain’t working, as i say blank output file created from the script
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[18:08] <Ryccardo> maybe it's running before the network is up?
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[18:10] <abnormal> anyone know what causes the pi to multiopen xchat on one click?
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[18:11] <shiftplusone> MS? >.>
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[18:11] <shiftplusone> does it happen every time?
[18:11] <mrmoney2012> i think i might know
[18:11] <mrmoney2012> the gcal stuff needs authentication with google
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[18:12] <mrmoney2012> so i needs to be run as user pi i think
[18:12] <mrmoney2012> as i have credentials in /hpome/pi/.googlesomethingother
[18:12] <mrmoney2012> blast it if i can make it work thouhg
[18:12] <mrmoney2012> tried rc.local also
[18:12] <Ryccardo> that can be it, too
[18:12] <Ryccardo> since it would run as root, create /root/.whatever
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[18:12] <abnormal> shiftplusone, were you replying to me?
[18:13] <mrmoney2012> i could copy to root
[18:13] <shiftplusone> abnormal, yes
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[18:15] <mrmoney2012> tryijng that ow (copied credentials to /root/)
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[18:15] <mrmoney2012> ow = now
[18:15] <abnormal> yes I click on xchat to open it and it would multi open xchat. I ended up wiping the SD card and reinstalled raspbian and xchat and it is back to normal.
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[18:16] <shiftplusone> abnormal, can't replicate the issue here.
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[18:16] <abnormal> ok thank you
[18:17] <abnormal> just wondered if any one else had same issue..
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[18:51] <Foxhoundz> Guys
[18:51] <Foxhoundz> Does raspbian come with the python library to interact with GPIO pins?
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[18:59] <Ryccardo> Foxhoundz: the book I have makes it look like it is, "import RPi.GPIO as GPIO"
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[19:03] <Tazmain> Hi all, simple question but why are most projects writen in python , and the cluster computing in node.js ? Why no use c or c++ ? wouldn't that be faster ?
[19:03] <Foxhoundz> Yes it does
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[19:04] <Foxhoundz> Tazmain: there's nothing that says you couldn't
[19:05] <Foxhoundz> Ryccardo: also, I've noticed the pins are not numbered on the raspberry pi 2
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[19:10] <Tazmain> Foxhoundz, the do people prefer python because its easier ? or just more community support ?
[19:10] <Foxhoundz> I would say both
[19:10] <Foxhoundz> the barrier of entry is a lot lower with Python
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[19:12] <shiftplusone> Tazmain, You need to keep in mind where the bottlenecks are. If you're talking command line, everything happens pretty much instantly anyway and you don't notice 'lag'. In GUI applications, you have GTK and X doing things while your application just handles user inputs, which doesn't take many clock cycles at all. So it doesn't matter if you use python or c, the user experience will be the same.
[19:15] <shiftplusone> Pretty much everything that uses significant number of clock cycles will come back to C functions and the kernel anyway.
[19:15] <Tazmain> well what in the case of those cluster builds of like 4 to 32 pi nodes? Why would you use node.js ?
[19:15] <shiftplusone> I know nothing about node.js, so I can't comment on that.
[19:16] <Tazmain> well I just ordered my pi 2, no idea what I am going to do with it yet ;p
[19:18] <Tazmain> I am going to be brave and install arch on it :p
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[19:41] <Hasselsaurus> where are people ordering theirs from nowdays?
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[19:42] <shiftplusone> If I want a case as well, pimoroni. Otherwise, CPC. It mostly depends on your location.
[19:42] <Ryccardo> I think I'll buy mine from a "local" (100 km from here) importer
[19:43] <Hasselsaurus> Anywhere that they're available for $35 (shipped ideally)?
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[19:46] <Ryccardo> Maaaaybe if you can get a free shipping deal from continental Asia....
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[19:46] <Ryccardo> the demand is still too high to easily find deals, I think
[19:47] <shiftplusone> Only the yanks can get it for $35
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[19:47] <shiftplusone> it looks like you're looking at 40 euros + shipping. http://kubii.it/507-nouveau-raspberry-pi-2-modele-b-1gb.html
[19:47] <shiftplusone> 46,94 €
[19:47] <shiftplusone> pricey =/
[19:48] <shiftplusone> hmm... no idea why I thought you said italy...
[19:48] <shiftplusone> nevermind
[19:48] <shiftplusone> I'm going to assume you're American then and suggest that you visit microcenter or buy from mcm.
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[19:51] <CMOT-Weasel> How do all
[19:52] <CMOT-Weasel> Quick (and slightly random) question... I'm looking at ODB2 stuff, but not to read
[19:53] <CMOT-Weasel> The "tl;dr" is I drive a car from the 70s, so no computers at all. I'm shoving a Pi and some fancy gubbins in there for fun.
[19:53] <abnormal> I get mine from www.newark.com or www.adafruit.com
[19:53] <CMOT-Weasel> And the subject of making that data available to a phone or what have you via an ODB2 port came up.
[19:53] <CMOT-Weasel> I've no idea if this has been done before, as my Google Fu is failing me.
[19:54] <CMOT-Weasel> Does anyone know of such a project that's been done before, or any pointers on where to start? Otherwise it looks like I'm going to have to try reverse engineering existing reader projects..
[19:55] <Ryccardo> you'd probably have to roll your own (and thus know the protocol, which AFAIK isn't THAT well documented...)
[19:57] <CMOT-Weasel> Ryccardo: Damn, I was afraid that'd be the case!
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[19:58] <CMOT-Weasel> Not to worry, if you don't ask you'll never know! Looks like I'm sitting down with some ISO docs this evening!
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[20:05] <Foxhoundz> my first RPi GPI thingy works! http://i.imgur.com/frMJ4Rl.jpg
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[20:06] <stevenjames> Foxhoundz can you explain to me what you did with your GPIO?
[20:08] <stevenjames> abnormal how you been dude?
[20:08] <Ryccardo> looks like a light sensor
[20:09] <Foxhoundz> It's an infrared motion detector
[20:09] <Foxhoundz> Works better than I thought it would
[20:10] <Foxhoundz> I'm trying to build a sleep pattern analyzer that gauges sleep quality based on movement at night
[20:10] <Ryccardo> it's THAT sensitive? always seen them made with accelerometers...
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[20:10] <Foxhoundz> Ryccardo: It's detecting a flick of a finger about 10 feet away
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[20:11] <Foxhoundz> well, maybe 10 fingers
[20:11] <stevenjames> so they have to be somnambulistic lmao ;) that's awesome what gave you this idea?'
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[20:12] <Foxhoundz> I have a similar sleep app that uses an accelerometer on my phone
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[20:12] <stevenjames> just a hobby or do you work in a field related?
[20:12] <Foxhoundz> but it's not as sensitive since I have to tuck it under my bedsheets in the corner
[20:12] <Foxhoundz> no
[20:12] <Foxhoundz> just a hobby
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[20:12] <stevenjames> nice work
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[20:13] <abnormal> ok you?
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[20:16] <stevenjames> ive been good man just doing these stupid certifications
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[20:16] <abnormal> stevenjames, I had a weird event on my pi lately, it booted normally and everything worked ok but when I went to open xchat, it would multi open and flood the screen and lock up the pi. I had to wipe the SD card and reinstall raspbian and xchat to bring it back to normal.
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[20:17] <ubik> this is why you use should use irssi ;-)
[20:18] <abnormal> I will not use irssi! it sucks big time!!
[20:18] <McBride36> weechat
[20:18] <abnormal> nope
[20:18] <ubik> enjoy your pain :)
[20:18] <abnormal> yup thank you.
[20:19] <abnormal> I will find out some day what did it...
[20:19] <abnormal> and if it wasn't for Linux, I'd be paying for xchat in winblows.
[20:20] <Ryccardo> xchat-wdk :)
[20:20] <Criggie> abnormal: use whatever you like. Noone really cares as long as it obeys interop requirements.
[20:20] <Criggie> abnormal: IE Comic Chat was a good example of "embrace and extend"
[20:20] <Criggie> and anyone who used it got laughed off teh server pretty quick
[20:21] <Criggie> #12216:#37372 something innane <-- for example
[20:21] <Ryccardo> I use it every now and then :)
[20:21] <Criggie> Ryccardo: you sick blaggard!
[20:21] <abnormal> lol
[20:21] * Criggie vooms - work in 9 mins
[20:21] <abnormal> sure we all are sickos...
[20:22] <Criggie> I love living 1 km from work... sometimes
[20:22] <ubik> weechat's cool, i just have no reason to switch
[20:22] <Ryccardo> #Appears as AARDVARK
[20:22] <abnormal> yup everyone has their own taste
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[20:23] <abnormal> most distros come with chat app, but raspbian don't.
[20:23] <Foxhoundz> ubik: weechat for life! o/
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[20:24] <ubik> having originally used ircii in the 90s, i've got the graybeard point of view i guess
[20:24] <ShorTie> raspbian is a strip down version is why, it doesn't have alot of stuff installed by default
[20:24] <OffensiveUser> i use hexchat
[20:24] <Foxhoundz> weechat is a more modernized and mainated version of irssi
[20:24] <ubik> 80s and 90s, i mean.
[20:24] <ApolloJustice> hexchat's nice
[20:25] <ApolloJustice> not a fan of CLI clients
[20:25] <ubik> you don't need to maintain something when it's already feature-complete
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[20:26] <ubik> irc hasn't changed all that much over a long period of time, and neither do the clients. once they get to a point, there's nothing else to do
[20:26] <Ryccardo> between the terminal ones, I say irssi (after you figure out how to change channels!)
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[20:27] <ApolloJustice> i have irssi installed on my Pi as an absolute last recourse, like when i'm in a position where i can't use HexChat or other gui clients
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[20:28] <abnormal> I just redo the SD card if I have probs..
[20:29] <Ryccardo> https://twitter.com/rboninsegna/status/549698961138024448
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[20:46] <Criggie> ApolloJustice: only CLI clients work inside screen
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[20:46] <ApolloJustice> i don't use screen
[20:46] <Criggie> ApolloJustice: I don't want to run an X11 client inside a VNC server or anything
[20:46] <ApolloJustice> not for IRC anyway
[20:46] <stevenjames> abnormal really? that's crazy...i ordered an HDMI>VGA adapter and it isn't here yet. i haven't even beenable to turn mine on yet :'(
[20:48] <Criggie> abnormal: that seems like overkill... I'
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[20:48] <Criggie> abnormal: that seems like overkill... I've had the same debian install on my home server since 1999, dist-upgraded from slink to current
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[20:55] <Ryccardo> Criggie: tried updating (the one before squeeze) to wheezy, broke everything... :)
[20:55] <Criggie> Ryccardo: ahhhh gotta do it stepwise.
[20:56] <Criggie> Ryccardo: only problem with that box is its 32 bit.
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[20:56] <Ryccardo> I suspect it was because the kernel still had that "old style /proc" option enabled
[20:57] <Ryccardo> config_sysfs_deprecated_2 or something
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[20:57] <Criggie> maybe - shouldn't have killed it dead though.
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[21:00] <abnormal> Criggie, do you have a monitor that has DVI connection?
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[21:12] <Criggie> abnormal: yes I do - why do you ask ?
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[21:13] <abnormal> get that adapter instead. it's cheaper
[21:14] <abnormal> HDMI to DVI adapter.
[21:14] <abnormal> costs like $10
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[21:19] <Criggie> abnormal: I don't understand - do you mean to be talking to someone else?
[21:19] <Criggie> abnormal: I don't even own a Pi yet.
[21:20] <stevenjames> i think he meant me because i got an HDMI>VGA but i don't have a monitor with DVI
[21:21] <Criggie> stevenjames: fair enough. Thing is, VGA is an Analogue signal, whereas DVI and HDMI are both digital signals.
[21:21] <Criggie> so its not a lot more than a simple pin adapter for DVI to/from HDMI
[21:22] <stevenjames> i can't find a decent cheap hdmi monitor
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[21:22] <McBride36> stevenjames, do you have an old laptop?
[21:22] <McBride36> one that you don't use anymore?
[21:23] <Criggie> stevenjames: no idea where you are, but keep your eyes open, and ask around. I was lucky enough to score a couple carloads of computer stuff by being in the right place.
[21:23] <Criggie> McBride36: if you're thinking one of those LCD adapter boards, then its *almost* cheaper to buy a new monitor.
[21:24] <McBride36> i got one for like 30 bucks
[21:24] <abnormal> yup
[21:24] <Criggie> McBride36: nice.
[21:24] <stevenjames> criggie i have two, but this one i just use for irc the one with kali is the only HDMI
[21:24] <stevenjames> Criggie just moved to OK
[21:24] <abnormal> go to a reuse center and get monitors for $25
[21:24] <stevenjames> sorry that first one went to McBride36
[21:25] <Criggie> stevenjames: what's OK ? Are you OK ?
[21:25] <Criggie> I'm confused by localisms.
[21:25] <stevenjames> Criggie it's the postal abbreviation for oklahoma lmao
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[21:25] <Criggie> OK then. :P
[21:25] <stevenjames> hahaha
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[21:26] <Criggie> stevenjames: here it would be Ohoka or Otakahuhu
[21:27] <stevenjames> nice in new zealand?
[21:27] <Criggie> aye - except its monday morning and I'm at work
[21:27] <stevenjames> or australia?
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[21:27] <stevenjames> it's sunday afternoon and i'm watching seasons of always sunny in philly
[21:28] <Criggie> stevenjames: nope - those lazy blaggards are 2 hours behind me
[21:28] <Criggie> 09:30 Monday morning :\
[21:28] <stevenjames> McBride36 i can hook the pi2 to to the laptop or what?
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[21:28] <stevenjames> nice it's 3.30
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[21:28] <Criggie> stevenjames: do you have a television with HDMI ?
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[21:28] <Criggie> stevenjames: or does your Pi have composite video ?
[21:29] <stevenjames> and ohoka looks beautiful as helllllllll --- no i don't but it does have A/V port
[21:29] <H__> cool project -> http://www.cloudynights.com/topic/493690-starspi-guiding-with-an-android-device/
[21:29] <Criggie> stevenjames: that might be enough to get you going... not the best quality image from composite video (the yellow round one)
[21:30] <Criggie> stevenjames: or at last resort is to ssh to the device over the network and use it that way.
[21:30] <stevenjames> i tried a composite but my microSD with raspbian will be here tomorrow, it'll just be blank without the OS
[21:30] <Criggie> stevenjames: ahhh fair enough.
[21:30] <stevenjames> the screen i mean
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[21:31] <stevenjames> it was 8 dollars and wait a few days, or 12 for the card and then 12 for an SD>microSD adapter
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[21:32] <Criggie> stevenjames: fair call - no point in trading money for patience.
[21:32] <Ryccardo> stevenjames: a big to small adapter?
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[21:33] <Criggie> Ryccardo: I suspect so, yes. To allow him to write the image to the microSD card on a machine with only an SD card slot.
[21:33] <stevenjames> exactly! and Ryccardo small to big
[21:33] <stevenjames> Criggie youre right
[21:33] <Ryccardo> wow, they come free with every microSD you see in retail here
[21:34] <Criggie> stevenjames: small to big? there's pills for that....
[21:34] <stevenjames> hahahaha
[21:34] <Criggie> Ryccardo: they're not expensive, but the cheap ones tend to not last long
[21:34] <stevenjames> Ryccardo where are you?
[21:34] <Criggie> quality of spring contacts on the inside, mostly.
[21:34] <Ryccardo> Imola, Italy
[21:34] <stevenjames> nice
[21:35] <Ryccardo> Criggie: yep, they loosen out, but in my experience they well outlast the SD slot on my Macbook Pro
[21:35] <Criggie> Ryccardo: pffft - my palm TX is ~12 years old and the card slot works fine.
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[21:42] <charlie_sanders> Good afternoon everybody
[21:42] <Ryccardo> is there a command that creates a folder and makes it active in one go?
[21:42] <turtlehat> active?
[21:42] <charlie_sanders> you could alias it a simple shell script, mkdir $1 && cd $1 - etc
[21:43] <charlie_sanders> I think he meant change into the directory
[21:43] <OffensiveUser> whats the best microsd to get
[21:43] <turtlehat> hmm ok
[21:43] <Ryccardo> ^, but it's surprising it's not preinstalled in many OSes
[21:43] <OffensiveUser> the noobs ones or is there better options
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[21:44] <Ryccardo> one with good random write speed
[21:44] <charlie_sanders> I would buy the noobs one - but yeah hi write speed
[21:44] <Jusii> official cards are proven to be rock solid
[21:44] <Ryccardo> ("class" is sequential write, which may not be directly proportional to random write -- and may even be made up on the no name ones)
[21:44] <OffensiveUser> cause i'm using a few class 10 cards rn
[21:45] <OffensiveUser> i'll throw those in my sansa clip then
[21:45] <turtlehat> mount home dir on an external hd :)
[21:46] <OffensiveUser> actually will it make any difference for a retropie install
[21:47] <Ryccardo> probably not too much, depending on emulator implementations
[21:47] <OffensiveUser> retroarch is whats used I think
[21:48] <Ryccardo> it would make sense to fully preload a GBC software, given the size
[21:48] <OffensiveUser> also, would a pi2 be able to do some retroarch shaders
[21:48] <OffensiveUser> like super eagle or similar
[21:49] <OffensiveUser> that'd be neat
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[22:06] <stevenjames> the A/V composite is the headphone jack male end to the yellow rca right? i'm sorry for such an amateur question
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[22:06] <OffensiveUser> on a b+?
[22:06] <Ryccardo> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2005/11/ipodav.jpg 2nd type I believe
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[22:07] <stevenjames> nah a B
[22:07] <Ryccardo> then you have a direct RCA jack...
[22:08] <OffensiveUser> why would you pin it out like that what
[22:09] <stevenjames> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/23039.jpg like this but just the yellow?
[22:09] <stevenjames> and the yellow being a male instead of female?
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[22:09] <ali1234> there is no standard for those 3.5" AV cables
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[22:09] <Ryccardo> ^
[22:09] <stevenjames> http://files.cablewholesale.com/hires/10a1-041.jpg
[22:10] <Ryccardo> stevenjames: so you have the original B or what?
[22:10] <stevenjames> pi 2 with 4 usb and quad core
[22:10] <Ryccardo> yeah, that diagram is correct then
[22:10] <OffensiveUser> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=577977#p577977
[22:11] <shiftplusone> What's the actual question? =S
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[22:12] <stevenjames> alright thanks dudes
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> Shame that the contacts on these connectors are all different.... But I guess if the other end of the cable is just three RCA connectors, it doesn't really matter.
[22:13] <ali1234> sure it does
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[22:13] <ali1234> ever seen what happens on a TV if you reverse video and ground? i have...
[22:13] <shiftplusone> What happens?
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[22:14] <Ryccardo> probably it won't sync, I guess
[22:14] <ali1234> the picture doesn't sync and you hear an extremely loud buzzing sound in the audio
[22:14] <shiftplusone> ah... I thought you were hinting at magic smoke escaping, dragons being spawned, explosions everywhere and all of that sort of stuff.
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[22:14] <ali1234> well all that is possible
[22:15] <ali1234> especially on the audio
[22:15] <stevenjames> i haven't found one that's just headphone jack to the single yellow
[22:15] <shiftplusone> And was wondering why we're not seeing reports of dragons, as I'd expect more than a few people to have hooked things up wrong.
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[22:15] <ali1234> nobody uses composite?
[22:15] <stevenjames> i haven't hooked up anything
[22:15] <Ryccardo> there was a VGA monitor that could be bricked by literally 2 scanlines generated at boot by an ATI card
[22:15] <stevenjames> i have a monitor with HDMI but the port is trash, doesn't register shit
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[22:15] <shiftplusone> ...says the guy who got teletext working =/
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[23:26] <ahop> ali1234 re!
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