#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-03-09

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[0:28] <snooplsm> whats the bare minimum I need to do to test that my pi works?
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[0:28] <snooplsm> I put an sdcard in it (not formatted) and plugged it in with usb + hdmi and the red/green light turns on but no output
[0:29] <shiftplusone> need something on the sd card
[0:29] <snooplsm> gotcha
[0:29] <snooplsm> to amazon.com to buy a keyboard and mouse
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[0:59] <HoloPed> Hi all
[0:59] <HoloPed> Is there a way in python to decode a video and grab frames
[0:59] <HoloPed> and push them into a pi3d texture
[1:00] <HoloPed> Basically, I need to move a video around the screen
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[1:09] <pvl1> hi everyone. does rpi use elf as the executable format? or is it different since its arm
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[1:14] <shiftplusone> pvl1, yeah, it's all standard linux, just not x86.
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[1:20] <pvl1> so its safe to use i386:efl32-i386 as a format
[1:23] <shiftplusone> Hm? How did you get from 'not x86' to "safe to use i386..."?
[1:24] <pvl1> shiftplusone: that was dumb, but the real issue im having is i cant seem to understand the output from objdump -i to know which format to use
[1:24] <pvl1> whether on the pi or not
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[1:25] <shiftplusone> format for what?
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[1:26] <pvl1> i want to compile a file into my executable
[1:26] <pvl1> and i need to know what architecture i should pass to objcopy
[1:26] <pvl1> or ld, or gcc
[1:26] <shiftplusone> is that the -B parameter?
[1:27] <pvl1> yes
[1:28] <shiftplusone> have you tried elf32-littlearm ?
[1:28] <pvl1> the whole issue is that while im working on the code on my laptop, when i put this on the rpi, i want to make sure that the compilation is
[1:28] <pvl1> no
[1:29] <shiftplusone> you should
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[1:29] <shiftplusone> for gcc and ld... consult the manual and make sure you have the correct toolchain
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[1:31] <Xark> pvl1: You will want to look into an ARM cross compiler/toolchain, it sounds like.
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[1:32] <pvl1> Xark: well its not that i want to cross compile, its that i want for my code to compile properly on the respective systems
[1:32] <pvl1> objcopy: architecture elf32-littlearm unknown
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[1:32] <pvl1> but im guessing on the rpi, it will be known?
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[1:32] <pvl1> so i could just tell my makefiles what to do when?
[1:33] <pvl1> er... makefile
[1:33] <Xark> pvl1: Well, if you use same gcc and libraries on both systems then from C/C++ point of you will be portable. However, the only way to be sure is cross compiler (which is typically just as easy).
[1:33] <Xark> pvl1: If you don't have a cross compiler, I am not sure why you are caring about what objcopy says...
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[1:34] <Xark> (however, as shiftplusone mentioned, " file format elf32-littlearm" is what RPi uses...)
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[1:39] <Cheekio> Having trouble with xbian video on the raspberry pi 2
[1:40] <shiftplusone> maybe try #xbian
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[1:42] <Cheekio> Yeah, all quiet on that front
[1:42] <Cheekio> Are the rpi2's getting a lot of feedback? I can't find much beyond a couple of reviews
[1:43] <ozzzy> they're better than the old B
[1:44] <Cheekio> Is there any recommended distro to use as a media center?
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[1:55] <HoloPed> Is there a way in python to decode a video and grab frames ?
[1:56] <shiftplusone> using the GPU?
[1:57] <shiftplusone> or just software?
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[1:57] <shiftplusone> I suppose 'yes' either way, but one is much easier, while the other is much faster.
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[2:11] * Xark is finding his Raspberry Pi 2 much much improved over the previous B+ (and it can run "normal" ARM binaries now). :)
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[3:58] <muriani> I should take a pic of my pi2 "laptop"
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[3:58] <muriani> i.e. pi2 in a modified case that hangs off the back of the lapdock lid
[3:58] <muriani> can't *wait" for my short cables to come in
[3:58] <muriani> *wait*
[3:59] <muriani> mixing emphasis punctuation boooo
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[4:02] <abnormal> www.pi-top.com
[4:02] <programmerq> I am playing with a TTL faxmodem on my pi2 at the moment.
[4:03] <muriani> nice
[4:04] <muriani> sheesh pi-top is kinda pricey
[4:04] <programmerq> I got the faxmodem and an i2c oled minidislpay. going to put both on my minnowmax, which will be a home server (including a hylafax server). so far I have only gotten the i2c display to work on my pi.
[4:05] <muriani> I don't see anything about a battery either
[4:05] <muriani> motorola lapdock wins there too
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[4:06] <muriani> need to see what battery life is like with wifi, I get a little over 5 hours on the Atrix lapdock battery while compiling and backlight at 100%
[4:07] <programmerq> muriani: post your picture of your setup.
[4:07] <programmerq> I'm curious now.
[4:09] <muriani> it
[4:09] <muriani> *It's messy atm, haven't got my short/adapterless cables yet
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[4:13] <muriani> http://i.imgur.com/0My8fbp.jpg
[4:13] <abnormal> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself
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[4:14] <programmerq> cool
[4:14] <muriani> ah, there is a battery there
[4:14] <muriani> nifty
[4:15] <abnormal> yes it is pricey but can do a lot more than you think.. develop board is inside of it accessible and can do all kinds of stuff.. I can't wait to get one myself... especially with a pi B-2!!!
[4:15] <muriani> *shrug*
[4:15] <muriani> most of what it is, I have in the moto lapdock for a lot cheaper
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[4:17] <abnormal> try to get an Altera board that will do same as the pi-top, you'd still have to hook a lappy to the Altera board to do stuff, not the pi.
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[4:23] <abnormal> is that green board wifi?
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[7:54] <Rahul__> Hi all
[7:54] <Rahul__> I tried startx from my ssh session..
[7:55] <Rahul__> it makes my screen black and nothing appears
[7:55] <Rahul__> previously it was working fine
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[7:57] <Rahul__> what could be the problem??
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[9:11] <tjagad_> Hi, there are i would appreciate if someone could confirm whether BCM2836 on raspberry pi 2 comes with a SMMU
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[9:13] <clever> SMMU?
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[9:22] <Xark> ...it has an MMU (never heard of SMMU...nor has Google).
[9:22] <Xark> Hmm...wait...
[9:23] <Xark> Okay, apparently SMMU is an ARM "virtualization" extension
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[9:24] <clever> the arm chip does have HYP mode, there is a ticket about it on github
[9:24] <Xark> I don't see it listed in cpuinfo: Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm
[9:24] <clever> its currently disabled by the bootloader before it runs linux
[9:24] <clever> the ticket is to fix that
[9:24] <Xark> I see.
[9:25] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/369
[9:25] <clever> its also interesting that you can bypass the arm bootloader, and provide your own arm bootstrap code
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[9:34] <Mutantx> For those of you that are running the raspberry pi as a file server. Have you stuck with the SD card or moved to a USB root file system? This is the only thing that has stopped me from driving to Microcenter and buying it..
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[9:37] <Xark> Mutantx: I moved to a USB flash yesterday. RPi seems to get ~30MB/sec from it and I got sick of occasional "hangs
[9:37] <Xark> "... while RPi wrote to SD.
[9:38] <Xark> SD is closer to 6MB/sec (I have a cheap class 4 IIRC)
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[9:39] <Xark> Mutantx: Just did a "cp -avx / /media/flash" (where /dev/sda1 ext4 was mounted) then edited /boot/cmdline.txt to point to /dev/sda1 instead of mmc
[9:39] <Xark> (so /boot is still SD)
[9:40] <clever> only real issue with that, is things hidden under the /dev/ mount that some init systems need to boot
[9:40] <clever> there may be files within roots /dev/ folder, that get covered up by the tmpfs at bootup
[9:41] <clever> but if it still boots, then your init system isnt so picky
[9:41] <Xark> clever: Seems okay.
[9:41] <Xark> I suppose I could copy the "unmolsested" dev from the mmc partition if I needed...
[9:42] <clever> the trick, is to mount the mmc partition a second time at a new point
[9:42] <clever> the kernel is smart enough to not open it a second time, and just make an alias
[9:42] <clever> then you can see under the mounts
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[9:46] <Lynx_> Hi all! I have a question: I have the ver 1 raspi and a usb sound card. This never really worked well because of the USB problem, so I stopped using it. Is this problem fixed on the new raspi 2?
[9:46] <Triffid_Hunter> Lynx_: which usb problem? the one where there's only one usb bus and the ethernet is also on it? no, the RPi2 is still set up that way afaik
[9:47] <Lynx_> Triffid_Hunter: Yes, I don't remember details, there is a giant thread here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=23544 So to use the new one as a audio server I will still have to get a DAC board of some sort?
[9:48] <Triffid_Hunter> well without a DAC you'd have to use the onboard soundcard
[9:49] <Lynx_> Triffid_Hunter: Well, I still have the USB sound card, one with that c-media chip. Only I get the pops and cracks when USB is active. Maybe there is a fix, that thread I linked was about testin one.
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[11:14] <Jaeger2k> hi
[11:14] <Jaeger2k> has someone a datasheet for the model b+ v1.2?
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[11:50] <clever> shiftplusone: had any time to look at smi yet?
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[13:24] <shadeslayer> hi there, could someone point me to the firmware files for the pi2?
[13:25] <shadeslayer> I'd like to roll my own tarball and things, and wanted to look at how the boot stuff worked
[13:27] <azizLIGHT> how often is a new raspbian image created?
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[13:37] <Uninstall> Hello
[13:38] <Uninstall> Is anyone aware of some kind of driver version tested to work with Wayland/Weston?
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[14:20] <kevinsan> Jaeger2k, the SoC datasheet for the B+ hasn't changed - it's just some pin mappings that will be different
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[14:51] <alchemistswl> Guys I have a problem regarding permissions. I set my apache2 wwwroot to /mnt/hdd/httpd, I added my user to the www-data group and chown'ed everything, everytime I upload a new file apache2 says permission denied. What do?
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[14:52] <Hix> anyone used one of these? Any good? https://uk.farnell.com/tenma/72-10480/power-supply-1ch-30v-3a-adjustable/dp/2251946
[14:52] <Hix> bah http://goo.gl/D6q1Yw
[14:56] <pksato> for lab. bench?
[15:01] <Hix> yeah, just as a general bit of test kit. Seems reasonably priced and 30V 3A should cover most DC situations
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[15:02] <Hix> oops, only just realised this isn't ##Electronics, but hey ho. Equally relevant here...
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[15:31] <Tenkawa> hi all
[15:31] <McBride36> hi
[15:31] <Hix> hello
[15:32] * Tenkawa works on a really annoying sdio driver
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[15:40] <Hix> when doing the whole dd img thang. Is there an optimum for BS? I tested 1M and 2M and 2 seemed quicker. Why not 4M or even 16M?
[15:40] <Tenkawa> Hix: Depends on controller handline of the blockio
[15:41] <Tenkawa> some will work better at different sizes
[15:41] <Tenkawa> or worse
[15:41] <Tenkawa> and also how sparse an image is too
[15:41] <Hix> so it's just a case of suck it and see
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[15:43] <Tenkawa> Hix: eh?
[15:43] <Tenkawa> guess I dont understand
[15:43] <Hix> just play and see what works best
[15:43] <Tenkawa> ahh
[15:43] <Tenkawa> yes
[15:43] <Tenkawa> thats been my observation
[15:44] <strobelight> alchemistswl: apache user needs write permission
[15:44] <strobelight> the fact that it's mounted may be your issue too
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[15:46] <Tenkawa> yay
[15:47] <Tenkawa> got my tablet/puter completely running linux with no addon hardware now
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[15:50] <Tenkawa> wifi driver quality is a bit uncertain... however working
[15:53] <muriani> nice
[15:53] <muriani> I plugged some random dualband USB wifi card into the pi and it worked >_<
[15:53] <muriani> totally didn't expect it to
[15:54] <Tenkawa> most work
[15:54] <muriani> didn't even need to download firmware
[15:54] <Tenkawa> this tablet uses a realtek 8723ab which is not common
[15:55] <Tenkawa> its sdio based
[15:55] <Tenkawa> which is a royal pain
[15:55] <muriani> Tenkawa: sounds like the one in my old chinese tablet
[15:55] <Tenkawa> hehehh
[15:55] <muriani> I think it's that exact one actually
[15:55] <muriani> Atom system?
[15:55] <Tenkawa> this is a winbook tw100
[15:55] <Tenkawa> yep
[15:55] <muriani> ah yup
[15:55] <Tenkawa> baytrail
[15:55] <muriani> Z37xx series
[15:55] <Tenkawa> yep
[15:55] <muriani> yeah that's common for that platform
[15:55] <Tenkawa> its working though
[15:55] <muriani> I had the onda V975W
[15:56] <Tenkawa> so i wont complain
[15:56] <Tenkawa> i have an asus card handy just in case
[15:56] <Tenkawa> usb based
[15:56] <muriani> heh
[15:56] <Tenkawa> I was just happy to get 64 bit debian on here finally
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[15:56] <Tenkawa> two stage loading with the 32 bit efu
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[15:56] <Tenkawa> er efi
[15:57] <Tenkawa> to boot up 64 bit kernel
[15:57] <Tenkawa> etc etc
[15:57] <muriani> right
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[15:58] <Tenkawa> running the 4.0-rc kernel too
[15:58] <Tenkawa> works nicely
[15:58] <muriani> nice!
[15:58] <Tenkawa> yep
[15:59] <muriani> Bay Trail is actually a lovely little platform
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[15:59] <muriani> wish I could shove more ram into it is all
[15:59] <Tenkawa> earlier kernels were giving me sporatic kb trouble... 4.0 is working perfect
[15:59] <Tenkawa> muriani: yeah.. going to hurt trying to run vmware soon
[15:59] <muriani> Plenty of balls for most things
[15:59] <Tenkawa> hehehehh
[15:59] <muriani> haaahahahaha
[15:59] <Tenkawa> it can do it though
[15:59] <muriani> well it *does* have VT...
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[16:00] <Tenkawa> yep
[16:00] <muriani> I've got DuOS loaded on my windows tab
[16:00] <Tenkawa> I already set it up
[16:00] <muriani> it runs Android in a custom VM
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[16:00] <Tenkawa> hehehej
[16:00] <muriani> works pretty well, way better than bluestacks
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[16:01] <muriani> Reaper works like a dream on it too
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[16:02] <muriani> if I don't bother with the WASAPI driver for low latency, I can do mixdown of the Bohemian Rhapsody 24track master with 16% CPU use at 600MHz
[16:02] <Tenkawa> reaper?
[16:02] <Tenkawa> whats that
[16:02] <muriani> It's audio workstation software for multitrack recording/mixing
[16:03] <muriani> made by the old Winamp guys
[16:03] <Tenkawa> ahh nice
[16:03] <muriani> very affordable and (apparently) incredibly light
[16:03] <Tenkawa> too bad there's still no logic type for linux
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[16:03] <Tenkawa> at least not one I'm aware of
[16:03] <muriani> if I decide to use the WASAPI driver I get about 40% CPU usage with the frequency bumped to like 1.5GHz
[16:03] <muriani> but still, *plenty* of headroom
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[16:04] <Tenkawa> nice
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[16:04] <muriani> yeah. If it's really numbercrunch intensive then it's not so good
[16:04] <muriani> some VST instruments are no bueno
[16:05] <Tenkawa> bummer
[16:05] <muriani> Propellerhead Reason works a treat though too
[16:05] <Tenkawa> heh forgot about them
[16:05] <muriani> loaded up Reason 5 and it handled everything I threw at it
[16:05] <muriani> hehe
[16:05] <muriani> I've been using them since v1
[16:05] <muriani> stopped at 6 though
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[16:06] <muriani> I had stopped at 3, and then they did a pay-what-you-want upgrade to 5
[16:06] <muriani> a LOT of people stopped at 3 I think
[16:06] <Tenkawa> heh
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[16:09] <Hix> reason works on linux?
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[16:12] <SpeedEvil> Hix: not on ubuntu.
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[16:16] <Hix> I thought it was purely Win/ OSX
[16:17] <SpeedEvil> (the above was a slur against ubuntu users, rather than an accurate answer)
[16:17] <Hix> :D
[16:18] <Hix> it amuses me that therre is an OS hierarchy.... and everyone hates Win
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[16:23] <muriani> Hix: no, I'm running windows on my tablet
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[16:23] <muriani> Tenkawa's running linux on similar hardware
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[16:26] <day> at least windows is consistant on the hate hirachy
[16:26] <day> osx is jumping around like a hippy on acid
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[16:27] <muriani> lol
[16:27] <muriani> I dunno man
[16:27] <muriani> windows is climbing back to my good side
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[16:28] <muriani> OSX has been in a pretty steady decline since Snow Leopard
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[16:33] <luxpir> anyone heard any news of win10 on the pi2?
[16:34] <muriani> nothing past the initial announcement, no
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[16:36] <day> muriani: decline? isnt the marketshare rising?
[16:36] <muriani> day: that's not what I'm referring to
[16:36] <muriani> I have to support OSX in enterprise, and it sucks.
[16:36] <muriani> Hard.
[16:36] <muriani> I'd rather support Linux on the desktop
[16:36] <muriani> and OSX keeps getting worse
[16:37] <muriani> in fact with Yosemite it's now bad enough that we're looking to stop purchasing macs altogether and switching to Linux on Dell hardware
[16:38] <muriani> OSX in the past has made for a *really* good remote X terminal, which is our primary usage
[16:38] <day> im not saying its good. My experience with osx is zero.
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[16:38] <TheLostAdmin> Pardon my intrusion muriani, but what did Apple to to Yosemite that has made it so bad? I haven't upgraded yet but I'm not liking the recent trends of changes in OSX.
[16:38] <muriani> remote X applications, with some local apps for google earth and web and whatnot
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[16:39] <muriani> TheLostAdmin: there's a bug that stalls window updates when the titlebar changes
[16:39] <day> all the windows bashing is just sad. it feels like their security team is top notch. open. quick. etc. Its just sad to see osx being praised in comparison
[16:39] <muriani> Other things cause it as well, but we see that one most common
[16:39] <muriani> and unfortunately, this causes a *major* issue with some data processing software we use
[16:40] <muriani> making it nearly unusable
[16:40] <muriani> and you can't shoehorn Mavericks onto the new macs
[16:41] <Uninstall> Hello
[16:41] <Uninstall> It looks like there is more life here
[16:41] <TheLostAdmin> FWIW I've had moderate success with Xming on windows. But I'm not running anything fancy or intense.
[16:41] <Uninstall> does anyone know which is the latest supported weston version on raspberrypi?
[16:42] <Uninstall> and do anyone know if there is some kind of released stable & tested driver here around?
[16:42] <TheLostAdmin> Uninstall, you answered your own question in the #raspbian channel.
[16:42] <Hix> well, it seems that bs=8M was probably 3us quicker doing a dd :/
[16:42] <muriani> TheLostAdmin: we tested Xming/CygwinX pretty thoroughly.
[16:42] <Uninstall> TheLostAdmin: the lasted supported version I mean
[16:42] <muriani> As well as XWin32 - which was closest in performance
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[16:43] <Uninstall> does anyone has tested weston against some recent driver?
[16:43] <muriani> Basically, we need composited X server, since people will flip back and forth between windows to visually inspect data traces
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[16:43] <muriani> and *any* noticeable redraw kills it
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[16:43] <TheLostAdmin> muriani: I suspected you had but didn't want to leave things unexplored if you hadn't.
[16:44] <Hix> I bought a MBP last year and really cannot see what everyone raves about wrt Mac. Apart from the form factor
[16:46] <TheLostAdmin> Hix: the UNIX geeks are partial to the BSD userland. The long standing Apple fans have always been around. The hobbie (and entry level pros) musicians and video editors prefer the tools. The iPhone/iPad/iPod owners love that all their music and entertainment "just works".
[16:46] <muriani> TheLostAdmin: They make decent machines for linux admins too
[16:47] <muriani> you've got bash/ssh/X (almost) out of the box
[16:47] <muriani> install homebrew for anything else you need
[16:47] <Hix> Certain things really annoy me. Like cmd i for properties, brings up very few actual properites. You can't just hover over an icon to get full name etc. Only thing that has improved is HD viceo processing
[16:47] <TheLostAdmin> Hix: once upon a time, Windows was bloated and full of security holes while the hackers/crackers/and worms were largely ignoring OSX as a target making people think it was more secure. It was less bloated (and still is to some extent) than windows.
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[16:48] <muriani> Windows has super-slimmed down though
[16:48] <Payo> slimmed down how ?
[16:48] <Hix> with the ubiquity of iOS devices I'm sure that's where all the heackers/ worms/malare will be headed soon enough
[16:48] <Payo> an up to date win 7 install takes like 20GB or some shit
[16:48] <TheLostAdmin> Although Windows 7 really changed the security situtasion and most of the current Windows bloat is due to the crap that the integrators insist on adding.
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[16:49] <muriani> Payo: you can get that back down
[16:49] <TheLostAdmin> 20GB on modern systems is nothing.
[16:49] <muriani> it used to be 16GB was *base* install
[16:49] <Payo> it's not nothing on a 128GB ssd
[16:49] <muriani> now base install is *far* smaller
[16:49] <Payo> which are pretty common
[16:50] <Hix> oh ffs. New disc image has stalled at: [ 11.849333] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[16:50] <Hix> oh ffs [ 11.849333] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[16:50] <Hix> [ 11.849333] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[16:50] <Hix> hmm multi post
[16:50] <TheLostAdmin> muriani: I lumped the Linux admins in with the UNIX geeks.
[16:51] <muriani> yeah
[16:51] <TheLostAdmin> and myself too
[16:51] <muriani> I'm not partial to BSD userland, but eh
[16:51] <ali1234> OS X is pretty terrible if you are used to Linux. nearly all the command line utilities in it are 10 years out of date
[16:51] <muriani> it's close enough that we can get around
[16:51] <muriani> ali1234: ugh yes
[16:51] <ali1234> the X server is awful too
[16:51] <muriani> X experience for us has been fantastic
[16:51] <Hix> any ideas as to why it would fallover there? Or is it then that the system shuts down serial comms
[16:51] <muriani> until now, anyway
[16:51] <ali1234> X apps don't work with quartz apps
[16:52] <ali1234> last time i tried it, drag and drop did not work
[16:52] <ali1234> and they look different and weird
[16:52] <muriani> we're only *just* now able to get even close to the functionality we had with OSX
[16:52] <muriani> well, yeah
[16:52] <muriani> because it's not quartz
[16:52] <TheLostAdmin> ten years out of date is subjective. FreeBSD 10.1 (recently released) uses pretty much all the same tools with the same command line args. It's BSD userland vs GNU userland. Depends on what you are used to.
[16:52] <muriani> why would you expect it to?
[16:52] <ali1234> no, because quartz is not X
[16:52] <muriani> the converse is true, sure
[16:52] <ali1234> i would expect everything to just work, it's a mac, that's what they are supposed to do right?
[16:52] <muriani> if you're using X, you're outside of the "just work" group
[16:53] <ali1234> then there's no point using a mac then
[16:53] <muriani> your typical apple user isn't using X then
[16:53] <muriani> for us, there is
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[16:53] <Hix> CandyCrush seems to be the level of most these days :)
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[16:53] <muriani> specifically FOR X. There are methods in our workflow that depend on Apple X11/Xquartz features
[16:54] <Hix> [ 12.002424] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[16:54] <Hix> is that mounting the data partition?
[16:54] <muriani> fortunately, KDE/Plasma replicates that portion well enough now
[16:54] <Hix> it's fallen over at the same point. Headless with serial > usb cable
[16:54] <muriani> and on much cheaper hardware.
[16:54] <ali1234> Hix: we cannot tell from just one line of the log
[16:55] <Hix> http://pastebin.com/WtNMfnd4
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[16:56] <Hix> seems to be after it detects the WiFi dongle?!
[16:57] <ali1234> no, that looks like a manual remount
[16:58] <Hix> any ideas what is causing that then? new card, formatted and image dd'd from pretty darn recent raspbian torrent
[16:58] <ali1234> nope
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[17:04] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. Does raspberrypi.org provide some useful chain of trust for verifying the image downloads?
[17:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> (and preferably something better than SHA-1)
[17:07] <chithead> I guess the torrent files would qualify as such
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[17:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> chithead, doesn't seem like it, they don't support SSL on *.raspberrypi.org at all it seems.
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[17:15] <alchemistswl> Eduard_Munteanu quick question, are you paranoid?
[17:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> alchemistswl, you could say so.
[17:15] <Hix> are you talking about me?
[17:15] <Hix> :)
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[17:16] <alchemistswl> Alright. Someone told me once -> If you don't write your own compiler and use gcc you don't really know what shit might happen :).
[17:17] <chithead> insisting on https or other method of download verification is not paranoid. known vulnerabilities in the dns settings in people's routers are under active exploitation
[17:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> I've no problem trusting the devs. I have a problem trusting my connection. But seemingly I can't trust admins to do their job right.
[17:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> (it's not limited to RPi)
[17:18] <chithead> visit a chinese forum and get your tp-link dns settings changed behind your back http://www.jakoblell.com/blog/2013/10/30/real-world-csrf-attack-hijacks-dns-server-configuration-of-tp-link-routers-2/
[17:18] <alchemistswl> If you live under a government/provider that does crap you shouldn't even try to go in the internet without a openvpn
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[17:20] <alchemistswl> Also can't you flash a TP-Link with dd/open-wrt?
[17:20] <chithead> yes, and you probably should
[17:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> By $(date), I expected crypto to be widely deployed because it's cheap and effective.
[17:22] * Eduard_Munteanu should try looking on Github repos, perhaps they provide something over there.
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[17:53] <hexafraction_rem> Pi4J keeps wanting to open /dev/mem to use GPIOs.
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[18:19] <Hix> is there a command to check th eprogress of dd in terminal? this go is taking forever
[18:19] <Hix> >45mins
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[18:20] <engblom> pkill -USR1 dd
[18:20] <alchemistswl> Hix why don't you rm -rf / --no-preserve-root :/=
[18:20] <engblom> Hix: write what I did in another terminal
[18:20] <shauno> (make sure you're on linux. that'll kill dd on bsd/osx)
[18:20] <Hix> OSX
[18:21] <Hix> alchemistswl because I haven't got a clue what the last part of that means :D
[18:21] <alchemistswl> :D
[18:21] <alchemistswl> that means u are f'd
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[18:22] <engblom> I was assuming you were running Linux as OSX is not running on Pi...
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[18:22] <Hix> I can just get the PID from top and kill it, but assumed it was working, just taking it's time
[18:22] <Hix> I am creating a new raspbian card
[18:22] <shauno> figured he was imaging an SD card
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[18:23] <shauno> bsd's dd won't let you get a progress report. passing advice would be to use /dev/rdisk* instead of /dev/disk*, and use a blocksize. eg, dd if=image of=/dev/rdisk# bs=4m
[18:23] <engblom> Hix: If you use dd for making a card, add a suitable bs, for example bs=1M
[18:23] <ali1234> see earlier complaint about OS X command line utilities being horrible
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[18:23] <Hix> i used bs=16m to see how that fared against 8m earlier
[18:24] <engblom> Hix: A whole block will always be written even if only one byte is changed, so it you get best performance if you have bs as a multiple of the block size
[18:24] <shauno> bigger isn't always better. it needs to be a multiple of the block size of the card. I have no idea how to find the block size of the card :)
[18:24] <Hix> I was testing the water, seems it's cold :D
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[18:25] <shauno> ali1234: they're just freebsd's userland. they're not actually weird, just kinda retro
[18:25] <Hix> top indicates that dd is still using cpu, so assume it is actually doing something
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[18:25] <ali1234> right, i originally said "10 years out of date"
[18:25] <shauno> (except for really stupid stuff like gnu's dd using bs=4M and bsd's using bs=4m. that's just petty)
[18:28] <Hix> KILL KILL KILL them all :/
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[18:31] <shiftplusone> clever: no, I'm a jerk and probably won't get around to it.
[18:31] <Hix> The irony, killed PID insterted uSD and it booted fine....
[18:32] <clever> heh
[18:32] <clever> i can wait more
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[18:37] <Hix> the Pi should recognise an USB stick using df no?
[18:37] <Hix> or a USB stick rather
[18:38] <clever> only if it is mounted
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[18:41] <Hix> cd /dev
[18:41] <Hix> oops
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[18:42] <Tenkawa> hey all
[18:43] <Hix> I can only see the disk if i cd to /dev/disk/by-uuid
[18:43] <Tenkawa> whats up?
[18:44] <Hix> hi Tenkawa
[18:44] <Tenkawa> hey
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[18:44] * Tenkawa just finished getting his tablet completely setup yay
[18:45] <Tenkawa> yay no more need to carry around 2 notebooks
[18:45] <Tenkawa> heehee
[18:47] <Tenkawa> now I might have to try to get touchscreen working
[18:47] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[18:49] <Hix> hah, needed /etc/fstab editing
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[18:50] <Tenkawa> heh it happens
[18:50] <engblom> I can very easily get old laptops. What would be really cool would be a guide for how to connect the keyboard, touchpad, screen and battery to a pi by reusing all the parts available in the laptop
[18:51] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[18:51] <clever> engblom: most laptops use LVDS screens, which currently wont work directly on a pi
[18:51] <muriani> engblom: a lot harder than you'd think
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[18:51] <Hix> That would be great, I've got a few old laptops and have to ssh / serial into pi as I don't own anything I can connect it to as a monitor
[18:51] <muriani> screen is likely easy enough if you get an LVDS controller board
[18:51] <muriani> keyboard/touchpad though, good luck
[18:51] <clever> yeah
[18:52] <clever> most of the keyboards ive taken off are just a bare matrix
[18:52] <engblom> I a bit guessed it would be difficult/impossible
[18:52] <clever> the controller is on the motherboard
[18:52] <pksato> touchpad is a ps/2 interface
[18:52] <clever> it would need a dedicated microcontroller, or to consume all of your gpio
[18:52] <clever> and it will be a while until you can map it out fully
[18:53] <muriani> if you can source an Atrix Lapdock for cheap, those are the easiest thing to interface
[18:53] <pksato> keyboard can try to rewire matrix to some usb keyboard controller.
[18:53] <muriani> it's HDMI and USB on oddly-gendered connectors
[18:54] <engblom> They have the problem that you need to keep the rpi outside
[18:54] <muriani> they do
[18:54] <muriani> but it's better than nothing.
[18:54] <pksato> display need a controller, $30 on ebay.
[18:54] <muriani> you could basically just use a laptop chassis as a frame for mounting your own keyboard/touchpad
[18:54] <muriani> I've seen that done
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[18:55] <muriani> rip all the guts out
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[18:56] <pksato> battery? external third part charger? and 5V dc-dc converter.
[18:56] <muriani> lapdock has all that already fortunately
[18:56] <muriani> but yeah
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[18:57] <Tenkawa> muriani: the more tuning I do on this winbook the better its running
[18:57] <muriani> Adafruit has a 5v USB regulator that's not too bad, but you still need something to drive the screen
[18:57] <pksato> or, if is a really old laptop with TTL interface display, can try gertsVGA.
[18:57] <Tenkawa> muriani: touchscreen is probably going to be a "challenge"
[18:58] <muriani> Tenkawa: likely
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[18:58] <Tenkawa> even if I dont get it working.. the kb/mouse works for me.
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[19:07] <Hix> speaking of keyboards has anyone seen anything similar to the Kano keyboard? Wanted to set up a pi on a friends TV purely as a browsing machine, but wanted a decent wireless keyboard and trackpad in one tidy unit
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[19:11] <niston> yay
[19:12] <niston> flatmate is gone. G O N E.
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[19:18] <niston> Hix: Microsoft All-in-one Media Keyboard, Logitech Wireless Touch K400, active key AK-4450GFUCS, Rapoo Wireless Keyboard E2700, Rapoo E9080, Logitech TK820...
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[19:18] <Hix> cheers niston
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[19:22] <Hix> ffs new card with fresh image appears to have corrupted within 1 hour. All I had done was install RPi Cam Web Interface and add my python script for the halt button and rebooted and it's dead already. Same point as last card :/
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[19:23] <ShorTie> what class of sdcard ??
[19:23] <Hix> U
[19:24] <Hix> Kingston too, not some cheap make
[19:24] <ShorTie> ya, don't really know how good those are for a pi really
[19:24] <ShorTie> c4/c6 and c10's maybe
[19:25] <ShorTie> u's are like beyound the mental capacity of a pi
[19:25] <niston> using kingston class 10 in my radio thingy
[19:25] <pksato> SD card are "physical" damanged? or only fs error?
[19:25] <muriani> well it's class10 at least
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[19:25] <niston> works fine so far
[19:25] <Hix> U is 10 isn't it?
[19:25] <muriani> a UHS-1 will function as class10+
[19:26] <Hix> [ 19.532584] FAT-fs (sda1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[19:26] <Hix> appears to be the USB stick that has blocked it, but if no boot, how to run fsck
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[19:31] <Froolap> no more composite out? ohhhhhh
[19:31] <muriani> Froolap: it's there
[19:31] <muriani> it's on the 3.5mm out
[19:32] <Froolap> no rca jack..... I sunno willis
[19:32] <Froolap> dunno
[19:32] <muriani> doesn't matter, the output is there. Plug in your own jack
[19:33] <Froolap> I'm afraid..... I'm not sure where audio line vs video line is
[19:33] <Hix> log of where it fell over this time
[19:33] <Hix> http://pastebin.com/V4mWzCZn
[19:34] <muriani> Froolap: get a 4 conductor/3RCA cable and plug one in until it works :P
[19:34] <pksato> Froolap: cable side - video - gnd - audio - audio
[19:34] <niston> Froolap: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
[19:34] <Froolap> I need to find some little rubber feet for the case so it won't slide off the table.
[19:35] <Froolap> Thanks
[19:35] <Froolap> and I *just* got in the pi 2 b
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[19:50] <pizearke> hi
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[19:56] <TheLostAdmin> it's been 5 minutes with no replies. We aren't completely unfriendly. Hi pizearke.
[19:57] <turtlehat> anybody know of a simple template/demo source, about how to tap into the NEON instructions on the pi2?
[19:57] <turtlehat> c++/c
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[19:59] <muriani> sorry, I've been ordering parts for my "new" soldering station
[19:59] <muriani> upgrading from the basic adjustable weller setup to a hakko FM-202
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[20:02] <pizearke> oh hey
[20:02] <pizearke> I'm not really a computer guy as much as I am a math guy
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[20:03] <Jaeger2k> is someone familar with crc?
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[20:03] <pizearke> but is there a gauge for how fast a raspi can work?
[20:03] <Jaeger2k> which size (e.g. 8 bit 16 bit,... crc) should i use for 144bit of data?
[20:03] <turtlehat> pizearke, it depends on what you want it to do
[20:04] <pizearke> I'm mostly going to be running some really basic C++ programs on it
[20:05] <pizearke> almost certainly no gui
[20:05] <pizearke> except for the desktop environment
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[20:05] <pizearke> but the programs themselves won't
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[20:06] <pizearke> The most complex mathematical operation I'll be using is probably sin(x)
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[20:06] <turtlehat> i was just inquiring about NEON (SIMD) instructions
[20:06] <pizearke> but I'd need to be able to calculate sine at least 100,000 times per second
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[20:06] <muriani> welp
[20:06] <turtlehat> but supposedly VideoCore can do some magic as well
[20:06] <pizearke> is that even kind of fathomable?
[20:06] <muriani> give it a try then
[20:07] <muriani> and yeah, VideoCore programming may be what you want
[20:07] <ali1234> the pi 1 is about as fast as a computer from 15 years ago. the pi 2 is about as fast as a computer from 10 years ago. does that help?
[20:07] <muriani> run that cose on the GPU
[20:07] <muriani> *code
[20:07] <pizearke> actually yeah a little
[20:07] <pizearke> I was doing stuff similar to this on my 2003 desktop
[20:08] <ali1234> and you can't directly program the video core
[20:08] <pizearke> what is the videocore
[20:08] <muriani> the GPU
[20:08] <ali1234> currently all you can do with it is send it images and video and tell it where to draw them on the screen
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[20:08] <muriani> ali1234: uh
[20:08] <ali1234> some reverse engineering work has been done
[20:08] <ali1234> but it isn't really enough to do anything useful yet
[20:08] <muriani> http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPU_FFT/Main.htm
[20:08] <muriani> that would beg to differ.
[20:08] <turtlehat> ali1234, what about hello_fft ?
[20:08] <ali1234> what about it?
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[20:09] <turtlehat> isnt that runo n the gpu?
[20:09] <ali1234> yes
[20:09] <pizearke> FFT is an audio tool
[20:09] <turtlehat> well then you can do that, which is something other than drawing pics on the screen
[20:09] <pizearke> I could definitely use that
[20:09] <turtlehat> fft is for many things
[20:09] <turtlehat> not just audio
[20:09] <pizearke> for me it's an audio tool
[20:09] <turtlehat> ok
[20:09] <muriani> granted it's not *that* much faster in this implementation than fftw
[20:10] <muriani> but at least it frees up resources on the cpu
[20:10] <turtlehat> yea
[20:10] <Froolap> where are the R-Pi-2-b imges?
[20:10] <pizearke> what's the fastest way to calculate sin?
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> pizearke: just do it, don't calculate.
[20:10] <Froolap> Slap a preist.
[20:10] <ali1234> with a lookup table
[20:10] <pizearke> that's what i was thinking
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> Or a one-cycle FPU
[20:11] <pizearke> FPU?
[20:11] <SpeedEvil> Floating Pineapple Unit
[20:11] <pizearke> I'll look into it
[20:11] <McBride36> oh Froolap are you still interested in scavenging a screen from your old laptop?
[20:11] <muriani> lol lookup table, yup
[20:11] <muriani> that'd be fastest
[20:11] <Froolap> Yes, I am. Thanks
[20:12] <TheLostAdmin> Is there an audio input on the RPi or just the audio out options?
[20:12] <turtlehat> pizearke, precision no issue?
[20:12] <pizearke> it's not too much of an issue
[20:12] <McBride36> if you dismantle the screen and look on the back for the model number, you usually can get a controller for it
[20:13] <McBride36> just did that this past weekend
[20:13] <Froolap> Cool, I'll do that since it's headed for the trash anyways.... I was hoping I could cut what I needed out of the mainboard.
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> Lookup table is not fastest if your lookup table gets too large
[20:13] <pizearke> I don't want it to be a triangle wave, but if it looks kind of angley that's fine
[20:14] <pizearke> it would be a sine of a float
[20:14] <pizearke> I mean not a float
[20:14] <pizearke> an int
[20:14] <pizearke> 16-bit
[20:14] <pizearke> so there would potentially be 65536 values of sin
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> Quarter as it repeats and flips sin
[20:15] <pizearke> but I could get it down to 16384
[20:15] <pizearke> yeah
[20:15] <pizearke> still kind of big, isn't it?
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> Err - 1/8th
[20:15] <pizearke> ?
[20:16] <ali1234> 32kb?
[20:16] <turtlehat> int sin (int phi) {return (phi > 0) 1 : 0; }
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> 45-90 degrees is 1-0-45 degrees
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> Is this on a Pi though?
[20:16] <ali1234> you get cos for free as well
[20:16] <pizearke> of course
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> I don't know how good the Pi FPU is - or if it had NEON/...
[20:17] <pizearke> sin(pi/2-x)
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[20:18] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, pi2 has neon, pi1 does not
[20:19] <ozzzy> what's neon
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> https://imgur.com/gallery/4MhTBiI
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[20:21] <pizearke> what if I just used the values of pi/12, pi/6, pi/4 and pi/3 and got the inbetweens linearly?
[20:21] <pizearke> that would be accurate enough, right?
[20:22] <turtlehat> for what?
[20:22] <turtlehat> space flight? sound generation?
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[20:23] <pizearke> sound generation
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[20:24] <turtlehat> it pretty much depends on if you can stand listening to the added harmonics then heheh
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[20:25] <pizearke> well
[20:25] <pizearke> they'd be pretty subtle, won't they?
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[20:25] <pizearke> but this is for an additive synthesizer, so they might completely mask the harmonics together
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[20:26] <Froolap> sigh Pi Version supported: Pi 1 only no pi2 images
[20:27] <turtlehat> pizearke, id just go ahead and try it out, tune until your ears dont care
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[20:27] <pizearke> I totally would, but my unit isn't coming until like mid-april
[20:28] <pizearke> and this computer is slow as bricks
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[20:35] <pizearke> okay
[20:35] <pizearke> ballpark
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[20:35] <pizearke> how many addition operations could a raspi do in a second?
[20:35] <pizearke> two 16-bit integers
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> eight
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> Pi one or two
[20:37] <pizearke> two
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> It depends. Comfortably over a billion is a safe answer
[20:37] <pizearke> oh wow I could pull this off
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> What are you trying to do
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[20:38] <pizearke> I'm making a synthesizer
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[20:38] <pizearke> well... it's somewhere between a DAW and a synthesizer
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[20:39] <Froolap> WHat happens if I try to run my pi from a powered usb hub's charging port while the hub is connected to a desktop? Will there be smoke?
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[20:41] <McBride36> is the usb hub powered by the desktop? or by a plugin?
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[20:41] <Froolap> The usb hub has a 2a wall wart.
[20:42] <Froolap> It will run as a hub without the wall wart, but sometimes it will complain if I draw too much power.
[20:43] <Froolap> I don't know anything about the usb-tg if that is just for power, or if it will try to make use of the kwyboard/mouse/network that is connected to the hub and mapped to my desktop.
[20:44] <Froolap> will my desktop try to communicate to the R-pi?
[20:45] <Froolap> If I plug in my keyboard to the charging port the desktop will recognize it..... but maybe the usb-tg port doesn't support the wires for device communication.
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[20:53] <Schubacabra> Hi anyone in here?
[20:54] <TheLostAdmin> sort-of
[20:54] <Schubacabra> I'm a noob but I could use some help
[20:54] <Schubacabra> Trying to connect a bluetooth keyboard
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[20:55] <Schubacabra> I've followed several step by steps and I get all the way to the end the dongle works it recognizes the keyboard but when I go to connect it I get error:dbus.proxies:introspec error?
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[21:00] <pizearke> is there any reason this would be particularly slow?
[21:00] <pizearke> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x-x%5E3%2F6%2Bx%5E5%2F120-x%5E7%2F5040
[21:01] <pizearke> less than 20 operations still leaves me with millions of operations per second to work with
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[21:12] <SpeedEvil> Because if it's slow enough, they can try to upsell you to the premium service
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> So they'll set it so ~10% or so of queries hit that
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> What really annoys me about WA is it's stupid
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> It can do 'density of aluminium * 1m^3' and 'volume of a 1 meter radius sphere'
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> But not
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> volume of a 1 meter radius sphere * density of aluminium
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[21:21] <Cessna1090> is pin 8 (CS0) on the rpi model b the same as pin 24 (CE0) on the rpi 2?
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[21:38] <shiftplusone> Cessna1090: compare the b and b+ schematics.
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[21:43] <stevenjames> supdoodz
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[21:48] <azizLIGHT> what do i need to do to sdcard with /boot and usb with / , before i move it from rpi 1 to rpi 2?
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[21:57] <plugwash> azizLIGHT, make sure the firmware is recent enough and that a suitable pi2 kernel is available
[21:57] <plugwash> exactly how you do that will depend on what setup you are using now
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[22:09] <Froolap> sniff. no pidora
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[22:18] <hexafraction> Hi, how can I use Pi4J without being root? I'm running a fairly large project that involves it, and using root would both be bad security, and mess up some file permissions. Could you please advise how I can safely use GPIOs in this case? I tried adding the user to the kmem group and it didn't work at first glance.
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[22:24] <shiftplusone> hexafraction: use the kernel driver instead of /dev/mem
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[22:24] <OffensiveUser> limiting the user to specific sudo commands might work
[22:24] <hexafraction> shiftplusone: Can that be done with the Pi4J library, or a comparable library for Linux?
[22:25] <hexafraction> OffensiveUser: That doesn't help me, since once my application starts up, if there is a security fault with it, then one could use it to possibly execute arbitrary commands as root. I don't think I can ensure that my application will be 100% secure, and it will actually be web-facing in the end.
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[22:26] <hexafraction> Also, even if my application is running as root, it's going to muck up file permissions (especially during development where each version will cause a bunch of files to be written to my home folder but owned by root and chmod 700)
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[22:28] <OffensiveUser> afaik pi4j needs root
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[22:29] <hexafraction> I don't have access to that Pi at the moment, but I will try modprob'ing wire before running it again to see if it can use the kernel module
[22:30] <hexafraction> OffensiveUser: Any recommendations for an alternative GPIO library on the B+, that can be used by Java and supports interrupts?
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[22:30] <hexafraction> I can do any one-time setup, but running the Java executable as root is a no-no for me.
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[22:32] <shiftplusone> hexafraction: it's linux, everything is a file. You don't need a special library for that.
[22:33] <Froolap> what happens if I install Pidora Pi (Version supported: Pi 1 only) on a PI2B?
[22:33] <shiftplusone> Froolap: probably nothing, but you should ask the pidora people.
[22:34] <shiftplusone> Assuming they have abandoned support, you'll get a rainbow screen and that' it. You'd be able to replace the kernel and carry on using pidora as before.
[22:34] <hexafraction> shiftplusone: Would I be able to get an interrupt on /sys/class/gpio WiringPI devices?
[22:34] <Froolap> nothing? or nothing bad?
[22:35] <OffensiveUser> afaik things for the first pi won't run on the new one
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[22:35] <OffensiveUser> like not out of the box anyway
[22:35] <shiftplusone> Froolap: both?
[22:36] <Froolap> I was hoping that I could install the older image and it would work, just maybe not making use of quad core....
[22:36] <OffensiveUser> hexafraction, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=16897 maybe this can help you
[22:36] <shiftplusone> as I said... add a kernel7.img and you can keep using it.
[22:36] <Froolap> It should still be faster then the B+ but maybe not as fast as it could be.
[22:36] <OffensiveUser> why do you want pidora anyway
[22:37] <hexafraction> OffensiveUser: I don't think I can drop root and capabilities from within Java.
[22:37] <shiftplusone> hexafraction: you can 'poll' an interrupt. Don't let the name fool you, it's not actually polling. Let me see if I can dig up some info.
[22:38] <Froolap> I run fedora on my desktops. I like to have a consistant environment so that I don't stumble over syntax because I logged into an different box.
[22:38] <shiftplusone> hexafraction: http://linux.die.net/man/2/poll
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> C code for reference https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi/blob/ddf1b3ffaad29165c3e260eb00e8dd42900ae8ae/wiringPi/wiringPi.c#L1014
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[22:39] <OffensiveUser> ic
[22:39] <hexafraction> shiftplusone: I am running on Java, and unfortunately have very limited experience in C (and absolutely none with JNI). There's already a ton of logic on the Java side, but I will see if there is anything I might be abel to somehow call or emulate in the samples you linked.
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[22:40] <shiftplusone> hexafraction: it's all just file io and very standard interfaces.
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> hexafraction: google says to look at java nio
[22:42] <hexafraction> OK, I'll have to try it then. As I mentioned, the pi isn't currently in front of me, but I'll see how performance will be with the file IO (as opposed to memory-mapped GPIOs). I'm not bit-banging, but I do have other threads running fairly heavy numerical computation that have to interact with the GPIOs.
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[22:43] <hexafraction> NIO might be interesting, I've only worked with classical IO so far but I will have to try it
[22:44] <shiftplusone> also read https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio/sysfs.txt
[22:44] <shiin> I was looking for a documentation of RPi.GPIO, but couldn't find an elaborate list of the available methods and their arguments. Where/how could I get that?
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[22:45] <hexafraction> shiftplusone: I will try the poll tomorrow once I have access again. Thanks!
[22:45] <shiftplusone> I get the impression java's cross-platformness hides poll behind some nio stuff, so you'll need to figure out what exactly
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[22:46] <shiftplusone> While googling, I've come across some examples, but nothing relating directly to GPIO (although they're still directly applicable if you read through the documentation)
[22:46] <shiftplusone> anyway, good luck
[22:47] <shiftplusone> also, don't worry about performance, it won't be a problem.
[22:48] <Criggie> Note to self - don't bike down the right-hand side of a one way street.
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[22:54] <ozzzy> Criggie, that would be the best place to be
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[22:58] <TheLostAdmin> Note to Criggie: don't ride your bike the wrong way on a one way street, especially if you are going downhill and the cars are going uphill.
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[23:00] <OffensiveUser> note to everyone: i can ride my bike with no handlebars
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[23:11] <latemau5> Hey.
[23:11] <latemau5> Could anybody help me with trying to write a python program which does the same thing that rolling the middle mouse button does?
[23:12] <latemau5> But from the action of something else... like a keyboard key, or a GPIO button.
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[23:17] <latemau5> Nah?
[23:18] <shiftplusone> could look into how xdotool works
[23:20] <shiftplusone> or just use xdotool
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[23:25] <latemau5> shiftplusone, will have a look, thanks.
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[23:28] <azizLIGHT> is there a guide for how to do that, plugwash
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[23:30] <fsphil> quick question: any recommendations for a 5.6ghz-capable usb wifi dongle that works out of the box on raspbian?
[23:31] <fsphil> there doesn't seem to be many
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[23:31] <Criggie> ozzzy: we drive on the left in this country.... so being on the right side means I'm biking past the passenger's door of parked cars. Passengers don't look when opening, because normally they don't have to.
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[23:37] <plugwash> azizLIGHT, what is your current setup kernel/firmware wise? are you using a raspberry pi foundation kernel or a raspbian.org kernel? are you using a kernel= line in config.txt ? are you using firmware from a package or installed by some other means?
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[23:43] <pizearke> does someone mind compiling and running a program for me?
[23:44] <pizearke> I've been using an online compiler but you can't write to file with it
[23:44] <Froolap> Uncomment to overclock the arm..... default is 700. Wouldn't that be 900 for the pi2?
[23:45] <Froolap> I don't want to overclock, but I don't want to underclock either
[23:45] <ali1234> just leave it alone then?
[23:46] <Froolap> I don't know if it just wasn't updated from the pi B+
[23:47] <Froolap> I thought that the pi2B was supposed to be 900 mhz,, not 700 mhz
[23:47] <ozzzy> I run mine at 1GHz
[23:48] <Froolap> with or without heat sink, and doing what?
[23:48] <ozzzy> right now it's idling
[23:48] <ozzzy> but with all 4 cores maxed at 1GHz and no heatsinks, in a case... it ran at 60-64C
[23:48] <Froolap> all computers wait at the same speed. lol
[23:49] <ozzzy> no... my 'miniputer' idling with no fan runs about 80C
[23:49] <ozzzy> loaded down about 90C
[23:49] <Criggie> seems high
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[23:50] <Froolap> how can you tell?
[23:50] <ozzzy> nope... within spec
[23:50] <Froolap> how do you see the temp?
[23:50] <ozzzy> I ask the CPU
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[23:51] <Froolap> again.... how? what's the command?
[23:51] <ozzzy> the Pi watches it's own temp.... most computers do these days
[23:51] <Froolap> I would like to know, for compairson....
[23:52] <ozzzy> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[23:52] <ozzzy> those little heatsinks do nada
[23:52] <ozzzy> and the temp really doesn't matter as the Pi will protect itself against thermal failure
[23:53] <abnormal> never seen a watch on a pi
[23:55] <nefarious> I know the heatsinks are pointless, in a sense, but is there actually any real temperature difference?
[23:58] <ozzzy> a couple degrees C between 700 and 1GHz
[23:58] <ozzzy> no big issue
[23:58] <ozzzy> IIRC they don't go into thermal protection til 85C
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