#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-10

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[0:01] <nefarious> Yeah, that's roughly right
[0:02] <nefarious> Never seen my pi go above 65°C
[0:02] <OffensiveUser> the heatsinks make a pi look cool
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[0:02] <Criggie> okay - I wonder if anyone has done the oil-bath overclock on a pi and how high it went
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[0:03] * ozzzy wonders if people that do that have any life
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[0:04] <Criggie> ozzzy: yeah - well, they have money to pay for it. Isn't that the same thing ?
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[0:04] <ozzzy> mone != life
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[0:07] <Criggie> ozzzy: don't get all metaphysical now :)
[0:07] <McBride36> i believe the heatsinks can even make it worse
[0:07] <McBride36> in some cases
[0:07] <ozzzy> that was my worry about them
[0:08] <ozzzy> I stuck them onto my B with no benefit or detriment
[0:08] <ozzzy> so I threw them out
[0:08] <McBride36> but did it look cool?
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[0:14] <ozzzy> no... it was in a case
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[0:16] <Froolap> You didn't get a clear case so you could see the blinking lights and glowing wires?
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[0:17] <latemau5> How does one go about programming in OpenElec?
[0:17] <latemau5> Say I wanted to interface openelec through the RPi's GPIO?
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[0:20] <shiftplusone> latemau5: you're jumping ahead a bit.
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[0:23] <ahop> Anyone has tried this DAC : http://boutique.minimachines.net/boutique/mini-dac-usb-pcm2704-une-interface-audio-analogique-numerique
[0:23] <ahop> (ie DAC USB PCM2704)
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[0:27] <alchemistswl> Cant understand that, it's french :(
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[0:27] <latemau5> shiftplusone, jumping ahead from where?
[0:27] <ahop> alchemistswl : http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/PCM2704-USB-DAC-USB-Power-fiber-optic-coaxial-analog-output-sz-11/813037_654055749.html
[0:28] <OffensiveUser> no
[0:28] <OffensiveUser> but I can recommend a sabre dac
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[0:28] <ahop> OffensiveUser which one?
[0:28] <alchemistswl> ahop a sound card
[0:28] <alchemistswl> ?
[0:29] <OffensiveUser> i use a hifimediy sabre
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[0:30] <ahop> OffensiveUser immediately recognized by RasbPi?
[0:30] <ahop> crystal quality audio with it? (even with headphones?)
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[0:31] <OffensiveUser> uh
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[0:31] <OffensiveUser> well not run directly from pi usb
[0:31] <ahop> why not?
[0:32] <Criggie> Probably power issues ?
[0:32] <OffensiveUser> yeah it's not a good power supply
[0:33] <Criggie> I used to have an IBM x206 server as a desktop. I'm used to shitty USB power :) Got all teh powered hubs.
[0:33] <Criggie> but they're all USB2
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[0:34] <OffensiveUser> you'll want things to run from a separate psu if you want the best possible
[0:35] <OffensiveUser> i think there's modules to help with usb power tho
[0:35] <Criggie> what we need is house-wide 5 and 12 V rails
[0:35] <Criggie> so noone needs power adapters any more
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[0:41] <shiin> I think I've made some progress now figuring out what methods and arguments there are for RPi.GPIO.
[0:41] <OffensiveUser> ahop, http://hifimediy.com/DACs/ready-made-dacs/usb-dac2 this is a decent option
[0:42] <OffensiveUser> has a pre out for your speakers and a headphone amp
[0:42] <OffensiveUser> seperate psu so no usb power to rely on
[0:42] <ahop> I ordered yesterday the PCM2704 USB one
[0:42] <ahop> I'll try... If not good, I'll try yoiurs
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[0:43] <shiin> Now I wonder if wait_for_edge takes particularly long, since I can't seem to catch a rising and then falling edge with it, as opposed to another way that checks if GPIO.input is LOW for 10000 loops and then if it goes HIGH for 10000 loops.
[0:44] <shiin> catching a rising edge does actually work with a plain button
[0:44] <shiin> but if I try to receive one from a DHT11 temperature sensor, well I can't seem to wrap my head around that.
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[0:49] <OffensiveUser> a hifiberry uses i2s so thats a great choice too
[0:49] <OffensiveUser> forgoes the usb completely
[0:49] <Froolap> how many times do I have to do this before it works?
[0:51] <abnormal> 98 times
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[0:54] <muriani> it's apparently tough to get the hifiberry digi+
[0:54] <Froolap> I'm going to wear out my sd card just with formatting.
[0:55] <muriani> and holy crap I knew the analog audio out on the pi was bad, but jeeeeeeeebus that's really bad
[0:55] <muriani> it's actually not *too* bad when there's audio actually coming out
[0:56] <muriani> i.e. the bleeps and bloops of an NES emulator sound OK in and of themselves, it's the what-should-be-silence between them
[0:56] <ali1234> stick a filter on it?
[0:57] <ali1234> i bet the original NES was pretty noisy too
[0:58] <muriani> I don't think a filter will take out that noise
[0:59] <muriani> the noise appears to subside in the presense of other sound though
[0:59] <ali1234> eh, don't see why not
[1:00] <muriani> it's a pretty wide range of frequencies
[1:00] <muriani> sure I could filter it out if I filtered out pretty much the entire audible spectrum
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[1:01] <muriani> it's not hum
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[1:02] <OffensiveUser> why're you using it
[1:03] <muriani> because it's the only output I have atm
[1:03] <muriani> so really I'm not using it at all
[1:04] <muriani> I just plugged in headphones because I wanted some soudn from my emulators whilst my fiancee played destiny
[1:04] <muriani> and decided I was better off without it
[1:06] <OffensiveUser> could be a noisy psu
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[1:06] <muriani> straight off battery
[1:06] <OffensiveUser> dang
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[1:19] <OffensiveUser> http://archphile.org/howto/i2s-dacs-and-the-raspberry-pi/ interesting
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[1:20] <OffensiveUser> feed an i2s sabre dac like this
[1:20] <OffensiveUser> run through a cmoy
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[1:23] <muriani> yeah, something like the hifiberry DAC is the next option
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[1:45] <unix4linux> anyone here tried to power their pi2 with a portable battery? I have a Mota 12,000 mah micro usb rechargeable batter and working on a project. Curious if this would work without damaging
[1:46] <unix4linux> the Mota does Input: 5v / 1a and output: 5v / 2.1a
[1:47] <pksato> lots of people are powering rpis with batteries. Just need a 5V output. 1.25A to any current rating.
[1:49] <unix4linux> pksato, so I have the output voltage (5v). However, the 2.1a output is what concerns me. I don't know if that is too much from the battery pack
[1:50] <pksato> common confusion about voltage and amperage (current).
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[1:51] <pksato> amperage is a how many power battery (or other source) can deliver.
[1:52] <muriani> unix4linux: outside of my lapdock battery, not yet
[1:52] <OffensiveUser> should work fine
[1:53] <muriani> and yeah. Pretty much any 5v battery pack is good
[1:53] <OffensiveUser> the pi won't draw more than it needs
[1:53] <muriani> right
[1:53] <OffensiveUser> I vape of 20a rated batteries for example, but I don't have to use all those amps
[1:53] <muriani> any that'll deliver enough power. Your Mota should be just fine.
[1:53] <OffensiveUser> it's just available when you need it
[1:53] <muriani> OffensiveUser: VAPE ALL THE AMPS
[1:53] <OffensiveUser> I refuse
[1:54] <unix4linux> good deal..thanks!
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[2:02] <Triffid_Hunter> unix4linux: as long as the volts are correct, most things will take as much or as little current as they need. one notable exception is LEDs, which need you to supply the correct current and they choose their own voltage
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[2:02] <unix4linux> gotcha
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[2:13] <ahop> What's the simplest way to have 2 pushbuttons on a Raspberry Pi, that can trigger things in Python?
[2:14] <ahop> (RPi with no kbd, no screen)
[2:14] <ahop> USB push button?
[2:14] <ahop> another way?
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[2:21] <kisak> anybody having trouble watching twitch.tv streams that are 720p@60 or higher on the rpi2 with openelec and osmc?
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[2:22] <unix4linux> not on twitch.tv directly but from my ServerWMC, I was
[2:22] <unix4linux> my issue is, however, related to getting a license for mpeg2
[2:23] <unix4linux> patiently waiting
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[2:23] <kisak> this feels like it can't keep the network buffer filled
[2:24] <unix4linux> hmmm, I didn't experience those type of issues. However, I did overclock it from start
[2:25] <kisak> looks like osmc clocks the rpi2 at 900MHz
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[3:13] <Anorion> Is there anything that can use the DSI port yet?
[3:14] <plugwash> not that is available to the general public
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[3:15] <plugwash> the rpf have been working on a DSI screen for a while but they have been having some emc issues and afaict have also been distracted by the upgrades to the core product
[3:15] <Anorion> understandable
[3:16] <Anorion> I got a pi 2 in the lab when they came out, and it was a nice teaching tool, but not as useful as an arduino for instrumentation
[3:16] <Anorion> err
[3:16] <Anorion> pi B
[3:16] <Anorion> I just got the pi 2 today
[3:17] <Anorion> from what I've played with it, it's much more impressive, hardware-wise
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[3:31] <Gathis> does anyone here connect to IRC using a RPi, and if yes, with which client? irssi ?
[3:31] <Gathis> *an
[3:31] <Anorion> I do. I use hexchat
[3:31] <Gathis> like it?
[3:31] <Anorion> I use it everyday
[3:31] <Anorion> using it now in Win8
[3:31] <Anorion> :P
[3:32] <Gathis> i'm mostly used to mirc, it's a badly coded ugly mess, but.. adaptable at least.
[3:32] <Gathis> windows only tho, my bad
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[3:32] <Triffid_Hunter> my favourite is kvirc, but I've never checked if it runs on RPi
[3:32] <Anorion> it's open-source iirc
[3:32] <Anorion> you can always build it
[3:33] <kisak> mirc lost it's influence in the irc world
[3:33] <Anorion> I used irssi for a decade, then Xchat for a decade
[3:33] <Anorion> my 3rd decade on irc looks like it'll be using hexchat
[3:33] <Anorion> since Xchat seems to be dead, anyway
[3:34] <Anorion> yeah, looks like kvirc is just C++
[3:34] <Gathis> kisak interesting observation. I've used irc since 2004, but only a few small nets
[3:34] <Anorion> so make sure you install all the required libraries
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[3:34] <Anorion> then build it and use checkinstall to make dpkg manage the installation
[3:35] <Gathis> mirc deserves to die, it needs recoding from ground up, but.. then it wouldn't be mirc anymore
[3:36] <kisak> well, it's from a world where shareware was still a good idea
[3:36] <Gathis> thanks for the info, when time permits i'll look at other clients
[3:36] <Anorion> shareware is still an okay idea
[3:36] <Sonny_Jim> Shareware still exists, it's called "Free to play" now
[3:36] * Anorion still uses spread32 on several instrument computers...
[3:36] <Sonny_Jim> You get basic bit for nothing to wet your appetite, then you can pay to get more
[3:36] <kisak> I use screen + irssi
[3:36] <Gathis> i don't much mind shareware IF it's at least well coded ;)
[3:36] <Anorion> Gathis, if you need help, just PM me, and I'll gladly walk you through as much as I can
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[3:37] <plugwash> Sonny_Jim, "free to play" is generally much worse than shareware was
[3:37] <kisak> but I do not keep my pi running long enough, and there is other hardware that is always on
[3:37] <Gathis> thankyou Anorion
[3:37] <Gathis> yes plugwash, far too much crapware about now
[3:38] <plugwash> with shareware you tended to buy something tangible and permanent, with a lot of the free to play stuff they try and intice you into spending real money on ingame consumables
[3:38] <Gathis> or bundle in creepy crawlies
[3:39] <Gathis> good night, too late here. Thanks guys.
[3:39] <Sonny_Jim> plugwash: Oh for sure, Free To Play is a massive corruption of what Shareware was
[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> Hell, even some games you buy full price could be considered "Shareware" considering the amount of paid for DLC now
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[3:43] <MustBeLucky> anyone know of good addons for kodi?
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[3:44] <kisak> youtube and twitch are nice add-ons
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[4:23] <Froolap> I connect to irc with the raspberrypi and I'm running eggdrop. lol
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[4:42] <anunnaki> anyone using xbian? i can ssh into it, but i cant scp to it.. i get permission denied (public key, password)
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[4:50] <Criggie> anunnaki: if you can ssh to it then all the firewall rules etc are good
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[4:50] <Criggie> anunnaki: are you trying to scp to root account ? That might be disabled.
[4:50] <Criggie> can you scp to another account on the device ?
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[5:02] <anunnaki> Criggie: nope trying to scp to the user
[5:02] <anunnaki> Criggie: only have the one user on there "xbian"
[5:02] <Criggie> weird
[5:03] <anunnaki> totally
[5:03] <Criggie> perhaps scp is disabled outright
[5:03] <Criggie> I've wanted to do ith the other way round sometimes, give a user scp access but no shell access.
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[5:04] <anunnaki> im tryint scp a torrent file to it.. unfortunately 'wget' <magnetic link> doesnt seem to get the right kind of torrent file.. nto sure what a magnetic link is.. but when i download the torrent file.. theres an option to "copy magnetic link"
[5:05] <anunnaki> what sucks is .. #xbian had only a handful of people in there.. and its very quiet. so i have to wait to verify the problem with another xbian user
[5:05] <Criggie> dunno sorry - I haven't used torrents for ages. Doesn't help that I don't even own a Pi
[5:06] <anunnaki> i tried googling it.. but the only results turn up of people who cant ssh.. and from what i gather... if you cant scp.. then you shouldnt be able to ssh.. but since i can ssh, i should be able to scp..
[5:06] <anunnaki> Criggie: heh thanks anyway
[5:06] <Criggie> can you go the other way? ssh to the box and tehn scp the file inwards ?
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[5:07] <anunnaki> Criggie: what do you mean
[5:07] <anunnaki> oh
[5:07] <anunnaki> i think i know what you mean
[5:07] <anunnaki> ill try
[5:10] <anunnaki> well i tried scp <user@ipaddr:/torrent/location /home/xbian/torrents
[5:10] <anunnaki> and that didnt seem to work.. got a connection refused..
[5:11] <anunnaki> ah just thought of something
[5:11] <anunnaki> duh.. use a NFS
[5:12] <Criggie> netcat does well for random stuff like this too
[5:12] <Criggie> Sending machine
[5:12] <Criggie> tar -cvf - * | nc hera 1234
[5:12] <Criggie> Receiving machine
[5:12] <Criggie> nc -l 1234 | tar -xvf -
[5:13] <Criggie> where hera is a hostname btw, and 1234 is a tcp port.
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[5:18] <anunnaki> and i just figured it out
[5:18] <anunnaki> never used netcat before
[5:19] <anunnaki> im guessing it opens up a program where you then type the tar command in
[5:20] <anunnaki> do you have to tar to send the file? like if i was just sending a .torrent file...
[5:20] <anunnaki> oh and btw the reason i couldnt scp was the destination was owned by root. not sure how that happened.. i guess i made the torrents dir while i was root
[5:25] <Froolap> no Midnight commander for Raspbian /PI2?
[5:25] <plugwash> apt-get install mc
[5:26] <Froolap> That gives me mc-data which I don't believe is the same thing.
[5:27] <Anorion> you could always build it?
[5:28] <Froolap> running dpkg -S mc|more and I'm not seeing it listed after running apy-get update
[5:28] <Froolap> I could, but it would likely fail on dependencies.....
[5:29] <plugwash> Froolap, hmm, it should work
[5:29] <Anorion> I think it only depends on a few standard libs... lemme look
[5:29] <plugwash> have you run apt-get update recently? if not do so and try apt-get install mc again
[5:30] <Anorion> mc only depends on glib 2.4.x or newer
[5:31] <Froolap> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=32521
[5:31] <Anorion> 2.14.x+ rather
[5:31] <Froolap> and glib has dependencies and so on and so forth.
[5:32] <Anorion> glib is part of the linux base, iirc
[5:33] <plugwash> Froolap, what is the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list on your system
[5:33] <Froolap> Whatever the default is on a 10 minute old install plus the one line that was commented out. now uncommented to include non free.
[5:34] <plugwash> have you run apt-get update? if so were there any errors when running it?
[5:35] <Froolap> Yes I ran update, no errors.....
[5:35] <plugwash> and you ran apt-get install mc after running apt-get update?
[5:35] <Froolap> and no midnight commander in dpkg -S mc|more
[5:36] <plugwash> and what happens if you run apt-get install mc ?
[5:36] <Froolap> and running apt-get install mc gives me the same thing it did before. install mc-data which I do not believe is midnight commander.
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[5:36] <Froolap> The same thing listed in the forum for someone else having problems installing mc
[5:37] <Froolap> I gt exactly the same output as the forum link I posted above.
[5:37] <Anorion> try 'apt-cache show mc-data'
[5:37] <Anorion> see what it says
[5:38] <plugwash> mc-data is a data package used by mc, it's not mc itself
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[5:39] <Froolap> It's just the mc data files, not the whole program 4k
[5:39] <Froolap> why they would package that seperately is beyond me.
[5:41] <plugwash> anyway mc is definately in the repo so the question remains why isn't your system seeing it
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[5:41] <plugwash> can you pastebin the complete output of apt-get update and contents of /etc/apt/sources.list from your system
[5:42] <Froolap> I can't ssh into the pi yet
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[6:06] <Froolap> pastebin.com/FWj3r5t1
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[6:25] <Criminalised> Morning
[6:25] <Criminalised> Kodi any good on this?
[6:25] <Criminalised> Because Kodi is shite on windows
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[6:56] <CoJaBo> Everything sucks on windows
[6:59] <leio> oh great, no x11 EGL support on raspberry?...
[7:01] <Xark> leio: Correct, just do EGL from console (or on top of X11).
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[7:01] <Xark> Or GLES rather
[7:01] <leio> That is not an option, it has no integration with the rest of the interface
[7:01] <Xark> leio: Ok, then software rendering...
[7:01] <leio> even less of an option :D
[7:03] <piousminion_> Anyone have any luck getting the original xbox dongle/remote working with the RPi2? Works fine on my RPi1.
[7:04] <Xark> piousminion_: Why would it be any different?
[7:05] <piousminion_> Xark: I have no idea, but it doesn't seem to work on my RPi2.
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[7:05] <Xark> piousminion_: Does it have some kind of low-level driver? It is possible it needs to be updated to use an API to get the IO region (previously often hardcoded).
[7:07] <Froolap> I'll be glad when pidora is available on the pi2
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[7:07] <Froolap> I can't seem to find my way around on raspberian
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[7:09] <Xark> Froolap: Yeah, I am fine with it (and lots of Google info). I installed the gcc-4.8 compiler and that seems to make nice binaries for RPi2 (and close to C++11). Eventually I wouldn't mind a RPi2 optimized distro...
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[7:10] <piousminion_> Xark: I have no idea about any of that. I just know it has always worked out of the box for the RPi1.
[7:10] <leio> I have my optimized rpi2 distro :D
[7:11] <Froolap> The apt-get stuff I find frustrating at best.... You don't get full package namesm and no descriptions as to what the files belong to.... searching for flash shows a bunch of png files.... no flash player that I can recognize.
[7:11] <leio> but fortunately most arm distros are pretty optimized for it, it's a question of having out of the box raspberry specific stuff there
[7:11] <Xark> piousminion_: Well, I would look for whoever made the module, perhaps they have updated it. I don't know anything specifically about it...
[7:12] <Xark> Froolap: Heh, well, there is no flash player (just "get-flash-movies" and "oxmplayer" to play them). :)
[7:12] <Xark> leio: Yes, it is nice that "off the shelf" ARM binaries tend to run on RPi2 (e.g., Perforce client).
[7:13] <Froolap> trying to install mc only shows mc-data...... Ok, out of desperation I'll install mc-data thinking I can remove it later..... Ok, that pulls in the MC program.... but the info on mc-data shows it as 4k.
[7:13] <leio> I meant binary distributions arm versions usually having supporting starting with armv7+neon
[7:13] <Xark> Froolap: I have better luck with aptitude...
[7:14] <Froolap> can't find firefox either.
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[7:14] <Xark> leio: Right. Most binary distros are not suitable for RPi1, but RPI2 is different.
[7:14] <Xark> Froolap: Try ice-weasel (Firefox rules make them rename it).
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[7:15] <Froolap> I looked for ice-weasel.
[7:15] <Xark> Froolap: Well, I installed it and it runs fairly well (much better then Epi-crash-inay).
[7:16] <Froolap> Good, it's comfotrting to know that someone can do it, just not me. I don't know why that's comforting, but it sounds like it should be.
[7:17] <Froolap> lol
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[7:18] <Xark> :) Maybe you spelled it wrong?
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[7:19] <Froolap> ice isn't hard to spell and neither is weasel
[7:20] <Xark> Froolap: Well, IIRC I jsut typed "aptitude install ice-weasel" and it magically appeared in the Internet menu...
[7:20] <Froolap> I even tried searching for browser
[7:21] <Froolap> yes, if you magically know the package name.... but I don't know all of the package names, I have to look them up.
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[7:25] <Xark> You can use aptitude search | less
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[8:36] <Coded1> hello all
[8:38] <Coded1> I want to try to compile the kernel for the PI2 via gentoo (using distcc on my desktop) but I need to know the features of the bcm2836
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[8:38] <Coded1> anyone know where I can get them?
[8:38] <leio> Coded1: why distcc?
[8:38] <Coded1> so my desktop can do the compilation
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[8:39] <leio> you can do it all on the desktop
[8:39] <leio> but https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/ rpi-3.18.y branch, I guess
[8:39] * leio justs uses binaries from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/
[8:40] <leio> you don't need to distcc for kernel
[8:40] <Coded1> that's cool, with the PI2 there is support for ARMv7 in many distros
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[8:41] <leio> just ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi- make ...
[8:41] <Coded1> I'd probably do it all from source if using distcc
[8:42] <Coded1> leio, thanks for the tips
[8:43] <leio> make bcm2709_defconfig
[8:43] <leio> (with the environment vars already in front or exported)
[8:43] <leio> that should give rpi2 default kernel config
[8:43] <leio> s/already/always/
[8:44] <leio> http://elinux.org/Raspberry_Pi_Kernel_Compilation maybe
[8:44] <leio> and yes, I distcc the rest
[8:44] <Coded1> nice, did you get the PI2 or are you working with the original PI?
[8:46] * Xark has found for his applications -mthumb is actually faster than 32-bit ARM on RPi2 (probably because it is smaller, and has little downside).
[8:46] <Coded1> what is the difference between thumb and neon?
[8:46] <Coded1> ^ noob question
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[8:48] <Xark> Coded1: NEON is like SSE, SIMD stuff (doing same operation on e.g., four data items at once).
[8:48] <leio> Coded1: I'm working on PI2 now.
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[8:49] <Coded1> Xark: cool
[8:49] <Xark> Coded1: Thumb is just a more compact instruction encoding. Thumb1 was was very limiting (only half of registers accessible). But with modern Thumb2 you get small opcodes when they work and larger opcodes when they are needed (so little downside and usually results in smaller code).
[8:50] <Coded1> heh, right on
[8:50] <Xark> Many common operations will only take a 16-bit opcode in thumb2 (and 32-bit opcodes if needed)
[8:51] <Coded1> how can I verrify if the video driver is loaded? I have debian Jessie ARMv7 running and the display looks pretty jery
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[8:52] <Coded1> glxgears gives me about 5FPS @ 1600x1200
[8:52] <Xark> Using gcc-4.8 (g++-4.8 really), on RPi2 you can get good results with -mcpu=cortex-a7 -mfpu=neon-vfpv4 -mthumb (on gcc/g++ command line).
[8:52] <Xark> (and -flto for extra credit)
[8:52] <Coded1> sorry 1680x1050
[8:52] <Xark> Coded1: Try the demos in /opt/vc
[8:53] <Coded1> excellent
[8:53] <Xark> Coded1: Those use GLES and hardware acceleration.
[8:53] <Coded1> does the PI2 support OpenGL?
[8:53] <leio> as I just ranted above, rpi-userland GLES2 doesn't integrate with X11 in any way
[8:54] <Xark> leio: Correct. I find it a feature (as X11 is worthless POS).
[8:54] <leio> It doesn't integrate with anything else, either.
[8:54] <Coded1> does that mean Wayland / MIR might have a chance?
[8:54] <leio> wayland-egl patches are rotting
[8:54] <Xark> Nice full-screen hardware 3D. :)
[8:55] <leio> anyways, cool, if only supporting single application at once is your thing
[8:55] <Xark> Yep (games). :)
[8:55] <leio> and if that application happens to be only fullscreen and fully gles2
[8:55] <leio> me, I like this thing called window management
[8:56] <Coded1> so the acceleration is on an application by application basis and not suited for X11
[8:56] <Coded1> ?
[8:56] <leio> but actually I need to be able to have this gl X11 handle here and this cairo X11 handle there
[8:56] <Xark> leio: I agree it would be nice if someone would make a "window wrapper", but I would rather have fullscreen if given a choice. :)
[8:58] <leio> Additionally rpi egl requires custom EGL initialization that each project has to litter their code with, to support rpi
[8:59] <Coded1> so what acceleration will the PI handle?
[9:00] <Coded1> youtube video? HTML5 canvas, etc?
[9:00] <Coded1> or is it just limited to video decode?
[9:01] <Xark> Coded1: GLES 2.0 and some video codecs
[9:02] <Coded1> is there difference between the PI vs PI2 GPU?
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[9:03] <Xark> Not really.
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[11:31] <avrdude> hello. i installed this: https://github.com/thaytan/gst-rpicamsrc and it works great
[11:32] <avrdude> however, if i try running "gst-launch-1.0 rpicamsrc" as root, it doesnt work
[11:32] <avrdude> how can i fix this
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[11:54] <ShorTie> might check ownership of the files
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[12:01] <Hix> Morning guys. Anyone got any ideas as to what has failed here? uSD had only been in use for <1hr last night and it reverted to this behaviour http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=V4mWzCZn
[12:02] <ShorTie> got me on all that, but is this on that PoE ??
[12:03] <Hix> nope, this is just on a Pi under my desk at work (development work honest guv)
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[12:05] <Hix> BTW, if anyone is in the market for a Pi-Noir camera, Currys/PCWorld outlet on ebay have them �15.99 inc delivery http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131440980818
[12:05] <ShorTie> ok, just wondering, most of the time it's power issues
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[12:06] <Hix> that hopefully has been remedies ShorTie
[12:07] <Hix> remedied
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[12:07] <Hix> ordered 5 x LM2596 DC-DC Step Down Adjustable Power Supply Module
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[12:07] <Hix> This is straight off a 2A usb plug
[12:08] <ShorTie> since it's 'just on a Pi under my desk at work' how is it being powered ??
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[12:08] <ShorTie> oh, ok, me slow typer/poker, lol.
[12:09] <Hix> :D
[12:09] <ShorTie> whelp, next thing, imho, is to look towards the micro-usb cable
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[12:10] <ShorTie> is it a cheap phone charging cord, or a good quality micro-usb cable ??
[12:10] <Hix> Sony - in very good nick. Seems fine with everything else
[12:11] <ShorTie> name doesn't really matter, it's the wire size/awg that does
[12:12] <ShorTie> you got a volt meter ??
[12:13] <Hix> Hmm, thought I'd try a brand new Pi2 - same card, instantly booted fine.
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[12:27] <ShorTie> a usefull read maybe http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/sd-cards.md
[12:29] <ShorTie> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=655841&sid=da686b347308ec4e3453bf6a20b4e432#p655841
[12:32] <ShorTie> always this tooo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital
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[12:48] <avrdude> can anyone see this?
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[13:39] * strobelight mornin'
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[13:48] <pyroscope> in case anyone's interested� https://bintray.com/pyroscope/rtorrent-ps/rtorrent-ps/0.9.4-20150310-46ed5cb-wheezy_armhf
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[13:48] <StrawMachie> Hi
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[13:49] <StrawMachie> i setup my raspberry pi to able connect from laptop to raspberrypi with ssh
[13:49] <StrawMachie> but now im connecting to router and cannot ping
[13:50] <StrawMachie> what do i need to change to able connect network from router and after laptop?
[13:50] <pyroscope> StrawMachie: if your router has a dhcp server, use that
[13:50] <StrawMachie> but than after i cant connect with laptop
[13:51] <pyroscope> StrawMachie: then you network needs eom more setup (possibly a few routes)
[13:51] <StrawMachie> ah?
[13:51] <StrawMachie> i tried bridge network and it not worked
[13:51] <StrawMachie> wifi with ethernet
[13:51] <pyroscope> you did not mention what's wired and what is not
[13:52] <StrawMachie> raspberry pi is wired with laptop (before) and laptop using wifi ...
[13:52] <StrawMachie> i just want to connect raspberry pi to internet i think it's called wan
[13:53] <StrawMachie> not it connected to router
[13:53] <StrawMachie> now*
[13:53] <StrawMachie> cant ping google..
[13:54] <StrawMachie> in raspberry pi ifconfig ..
[13:55] <StrawMachie> eth0 mask:
[13:55] <StrawMachie> and in router it's different
[13:55] <StrawMachie> i just work with laptop and no keyboard in raspberry pi
[13:55] <StrawMachie> so it's better to install ubuntuserver?
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[13:56] <giddles> hrhr can i get here a windows support?
[13:56] <muriani> StrawMachie: I'd recommend raspbian
[13:56] <giddles> my dvd drive broken, so i must install windows 8 new :( how to?
[13:56] <StrawMachie> yes i have raspbian
[13:56] <giddles> network or usb
[13:56] <StrawMachie> just .. it's on command now
[13:56] <muriani> you're wired now or on wifi?
[13:57] <StrawMachie> me?
[13:57] <muriani> yes
[13:57] <StrawMachie> im on wired with router
[13:57] <muriani> what's the content of /etc/network/interfaces
[13:58] <StrawMachie> it's long wait
[13:58] <StrawMachie> iface eth0 inet static
[13:58] <StrawMachie> that's the important one i think
[13:58] <muriani> change iface eth0 inet static to iface eth0 inet dhcp
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[13:58] <muriani> then it'll automatically grab network information from your router
[13:59] <muriani> or define your IP, netmask, and gateway there
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[13:59] <muriani> if those are already defined, then you need to go into /etc/resolv.conf and check your DNS settings
[13:59] <StrawMachie> is there an efficient way if i'm working with laptop and connect raspberry pi and bridge?
[13:59] <StrawMachie> ah..
[14:00] <StrawMachie> I can't explain my self
[14:00] <StrawMachie> Just the laptop is on room and im on router room
[14:00] <StrawMachie> it's far if someone connecting to my raspberry pi
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[14:00] <muriani> you're not ssh into the pi?
[14:00] <StrawMachie> no
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[14:00] <StrawMachie> it's didn't let me
[14:01] <sqwk> Having some trouble with network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant—what am I missing to make wlan0 automatically connect? http://pastie.org/10016104
[14:01] <StrawMachie> although i didn't change what u said
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[14:01] <StrawMachie> because after i need to change it back to connect laptop
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[14:03] <strobelight> so, the pi is hardwired to the laptop, and laptop using wifi? didn't think that would work. in any event, wiring directly from pi to laptop may need a crossover ethernet cable
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[14:04] <StrawMachie> I can't wired with laptop and also using both wifi?
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[14:05] <strobelight> I'm just not aware of that capability, I've only seen one or the other.
[14:05] <muriani> Shouldn't the router allow more than one device on it?
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[14:05] <muriani> why would you need to connect the pi directly to the laptop?
[14:05] <strobelight> doesn't sound like he's near a router
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[14:06] <StrawMachie> to be near to raspberry pi
[14:06] <StrawMachie> i changed it but cannot ping google..
[14:06] <strobelight> the pi should be connected to your router, so that the router can provide it an IP
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[14:06] <StrawMachie> ok
[14:07] <StrawMachie> and i after can connect it to ssh right?
[14:07] <muriani> correct
[14:07] <strobelight> assuming you've also changed the interfaces file to use dhcp as mentioned
[14:07] <Hix> oops, always awkward when you have a BSOD and the IT guy is stood right by you. Then when computer starts notices a Pi on serial>usb and the IRC is running on a proxy tunnel :D
[14:07] <StrawMachie> and will you able to connect?
[14:07] <muriani> Hix: sounds like me
[14:07] <StrawMachie> in theory with all details..
[14:07] <muriani> except I'm the IT guy :P
[14:08] <Hix> the fact that I'm just a CAD monkey makes it even worse in IT's eyes
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[14:08] <muriani> StrawMachie: you would, the outside would not be able to connect to the pi unless you open ports on the router to allow it to your Pi's IP address
[14:08] <strobelight> ^^
[14:08] <StrawMachie> that's what i wanted to hear
[14:08] <StrawMachie> thanks
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[14:09] <StrawMachie> i forget that i could answer to this question
[14:09] <StrawMachie> as to it guy does python is efficient?
[14:10] <StrawMachie> to all IT guy..
[14:10] <strobelight> depends. some python is compiled, some interpret, some jit
[14:10] <muriani> I don't use python, sorry
[14:10] <muriani> I hear it can be
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[14:10] <muriani> still probably not as efficient as say, C when it comes to speed
[14:10] <muriani> but probably far quicker to make something in python
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> Efficient is a meaningless term.
[14:11] <muriani> so it comes down to you want efficiency in development, or efficiency in running
[14:11] <StrawMachie> a stupid question need stupid answer
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[14:11] <SpeedEvil> You need to define what it means - development time, RAM, likelyness of correctness, CPU use, portability, ...
[14:11] <StrawMachie> i learn C programming language from website and etc like take me a year and still not good in pointers in data strucutre
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Not all of thesemay actually be optimisable at once
[14:12] <muriani> SpeedEvil: trying to work around inferred meaning using similar terms without confusing too much
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[14:12] <muriani> StrawMachie: Python will generally not be as fast as C.
[14:12] <muriani> but Python will likely be much easier to learn.
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[14:14] <StrawMachie> i learn python from course
[14:14] <StrawMachie> but i just want to know C and develop in Linux
[14:14] <StrawMachie> but im not sure what i missing in C basic
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[14:15] <muriani> Take a C course
[14:15] <StrawMachie> but the course from python is piracy..
[14:15] <StrawMachie> :/
[14:15] <StrawMachie> Don't hate me..
[14:16] <muriani> We don't hate for learning
[14:16] <TheLostAdmin> I second muriani's suggestion. Taking a couse in C was probably the smartest thing I ever did.
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[14:16] <waveform> sqwk, I've just had a look at my wpa config - the only difference I can see is that you've got wpa-conf in your /etc/network/interfaces while mine is wpa-roam (same params)
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[14:16] <StrawMachie> C course online?
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[14:16] <muriani> online or at a local school
[14:17] <StrawMachie> Just can't afford or want to learn it self taught
[14:17] <muriani> or go to a book store and find a good book on it
[14:17] <TheLostAdmin> I took mine a college. It got me a job as a junior programmer 20 years ago. I learned another 10ish languages on my own.
[14:17] <StrawMachie> people learn from C programming book but it's has a lot mistake people say
[14:17] <muriani> well
[14:17] <StrawMachie> TheLostAdmin: Can you share good resources XD?
[14:17] <muriani> the thing is that each compiler and development environment has its own quirks
[14:18] <StrawMachie> i see masscan project and it's impressive and also the guy
[14:18] <muriani> so you can treat, say Visual C *mostly* the same as gcc, but some things that compile on one may not compile on the other, etc
[14:19] <StrawMachie> yea
[14:19] <StrawMachie> i know..
[14:19] <TheLostAdmin> StrawMachine: I don't know any currently available free college courses that teach C. The reason I liked it is I could ask the teacher questions and work with other students to figure things out. Plus, it teaches 'how to think like a computer' which makes learning other languages easier.
[14:19] <waveform> sqwk, not sure why though - mine is a pretty old config and it's possible it's meant to be wpa-conf - I'll have a look at the man page
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[14:20] <StrawMachie> it's not realted and so do i but anyone read superfish article?
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[14:20] <Hix> it apperas that the Prolific (ironically named) USB>Serial cable doesn't like my workstation in the office 4 IRQ_Mot_Less_Or_Equal BSODs on the trot now
[14:22] <StrawMachie> thanks people..
[14:22] <StrawMachie> im leaving
[14:22] <TheLostAdmin> StrawMachie: This should offer some good programming course (and it's free): http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/find-by-topic/#cat=engineering&subcat=computerscience&spec=programminglanguages
[14:22] <StrawMachie> muriani and all
[14:22] <TheLostAdmin> But it's all in english (and I suspect English is not your first language).
[14:22] <StrawMachie> yes.
[14:22] <StrawMachie> i saw this..
[14:22] <TheLostAdmin> I did the encryption course. It was really tough.
[14:22] <StrawMachie> the c course uses the book..
[14:23] <TheLostAdmin> ah
[14:23] <StrawMachie> anyone learned from opensecuritytraining.info?
[14:24] <sqwk> waveform, i tried both so far
[14:24] <sqwk> how would I force an initial connect (manually)
[14:24] <Hix> StrawMachie what are you looking at learning?
[14:25] <StrawMachie> i dont know
[14:25] <StrawMachie> I wanted to go into gamehacking..
[14:26] <Hix> ahh, above the level of things I've been lookng at
[14:26] <waveform> sqwk, good question - I think it's something like "ip link set wlan0 up" - let me check...
[14:26] <StrawMachie> Hix: what do you mean?
[14:27] <Hix> I've been looking at basic programming courses, hacking is more advanced than what I was going to link to
[14:27] <TheLostAdmin> StrawMachie: gamehacking as in modifying existing games or as in becomming a programmer for a game company?
[14:27] <StrawMachie> ok
[14:28] <StrawMachie> modifying existing games not excactly just make a cheat and find address..
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[14:28] <waveform> sqwk, ah looks like "ifup wlan0" should bring wlan0 up and start wpa_supplicant in the background
[14:29] <TheLostAdmin> If that's the case, C or C++ is probably a better language to start BUT you are going to need to understand data structures and machine language too.
[14:29] <StrawMachie> i go connecting from different
[14:29] <waveform> (assuming supplicant's config is correct - but I can't see anything glaringly wrong with yours)
[14:29] <StrawMachie> brb
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[14:30] <sqwk> waveform, thx, i’ll give it another try
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[14:37] <MustBeLucky> I can only seem to find infor on the pi1's, does anyone know the maxium power input voltage on the pi2?
[14:37] <StrawMachie> Which?
[14:37] <StrawMachie> Pi2 ?
[14:37] <Anorion> it's mini USB, so I'd imagine 5v
[14:38] <StrawMachie> which model
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[14:38] <kisak> why would you want to feed more than 5 volt into it?
[14:38] <MustBeLucky> yeah sorry pi2
[14:38] <MustBeLucky> thought was only one model
[14:38] <MustBeLucky> 1 sec
[14:39] <MustBeLucky> ypi2 B
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[14:41] <TheLostAdmin> kisak: people want to supply the Pi with more than 5 volts for overclocking. Although not useful on the Pi, you charge a battery by supplying it with more voltage than it put out (to make the electricity flow backwards and charge it).
[14:41] <MustBeLucky> anyone been able to add wifi without adding powered usb?
[14:41] <MustBeLucky> thanks list
[14:41] <MustBeLucky> lost
[14:41] <pyroscope> MustBeLucky: sure
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[14:42] <MustBeLucky> :) could you point me in right direction, my dongle wont power up
[14:42] <ApolloJustice> I've had no problems with a 2A power supply and a WiFi dongle running off a pi2
[14:42] <MustBeLucky> ok, maybe ill check my power suppy, i may have 1A
[14:42] <pyroscope> EDIMAX EW-7811UN, 150 Mbit/s, IEEE802.11b/g/n works
[14:42] <MustBeLucky> thanks :)
[14:42] <Anorion> I have an ancient 802.11b dongle that seems to work fine with no additional power
[14:43] <ApolloJustice> I did have to set max_usb_current on the configfile
[14:43] <pyroscope> including WPS, was easy as pie
[14:43] <ApolloJustice> easy as pi
[14:43] <ApolloJustice> lel
[14:43] <MustBeLucky> nice, i must have grabbed a bad pawer supply
[14:43] <MustBeLucky> hehe
[14:43] <pyroscope> ApolloJustice: that was implied
[14:44] <ApolloJustice> lols
[14:44] <Hix> I'm going to look into using an Arduino as a logger so I can monitor power requirements of mu Pi's doing things. I've had too many power woes
[14:44] <pyroscope> MustBeLucky: you need REAL 2A, e.g. original power plug
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[14:46] <Hix> I bought 5 of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141567965592 after having so much grief
[14:46] <ApolloJustice> Yeah there are some. cheap ones that say they are 2a but really arent
[14:48] <StrawMachie> .
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[14:52] <MustBeLucky> thanks for fdongle suggestion, mines way too big, picking that one up
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[14:53] <McBride36> Hix, why log with the arduino?
[14:54] <Hix> it's about all i have that i think would work, short of video and a dmm
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[14:55] <MustBeLucky> dont thinbk my pi came with power adapter
[14:56] <MustBeLucky> Hix: what do those do?
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[14:57] <Hix> video and DMM? record current and voltage under differing operating conditions. basic but would do. Thought using an arduino would probably be a good alternative though
[14:58] <ApolloJustice> MustBeLucky: it probably didn't unless you bought it in a kit
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[14:58] <MustBeLucky> ok ty both
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[15:10] <Hix> managed to source 500mm FFC cables for the camera modules at a good price too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321674062159
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[15:11] <Hix> should make things a little mor manageable than the short cable supplied
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[15:23] <Hix> Retro http://i.imgur.com/hoxL4pg.jpg http://i.imgur.com/30kv5lp.jpg?1
[15:24] <Hix> is that a 1.0 or a 1.1 B model?
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[15:29] <SirLagz> Hix: 1
[15:29] <Hix> yes, but 1.0 or 1.1 as apparently the pinouts are different
[15:29] <SirLagz> 1 as in 1.0. sorry
[15:29] <Hix> ah oki
[15:30] <SirLagz> the fuses are still there
[15:30] <SirLagz> the 1.1 didn't have fuses
[15:30] <Hix> ok. you don't have a pinmap for the 1.0 do you?
[15:30] <SirLagz> I thought all generations had the same pinouts for the first 26 pins...
[15:30] <SirLagz> Hix: it's probably on the RPi wiki though
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[15:33] <SirLagz> Hix: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29 <-- does that help ?
[15:34] <Hix> cool thx
[15:34] <SirLagz> np
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[15:58] <ahop> Does something like this exist for Pi? http://www.ebay.fr/itm/4-Bit-LED-Affichage-Display-Module-Circuit-Board-Tube-Digital-Pour-Arduino-DIY-/331351380200?pt=FR_YO_MaisonJardin_Bricolage_ElectroniqueComposants&hash=item4d2614d0e8
[15:58] <ahop> ie 4 digit display
[16:00] <Wazza> ahop: is this any use to you - https://learn.adafruit.com/matrix-7-segment-led-backpack-with-the-raspberry-pi
[16:00] <pksato> ahop: most shield for arduinos work on RPi and others SoB.
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[16:02] <pksato> is a simple shift register chip...
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[16:04] <ahop> Wazza: 15euros with shipping to France :(
[16:04] <ahop> whereas Arduino ones are 1euro
[16:04] <ahop> http://www.ebay.fr/itm/ADAFRUIT-0-56-4-Digit-7-Segment-Affichage-W-I2c-Backpack-Vert-/181609792822?pt=FR_Informatique_Reseaux_Autres&hash=item2a48c98536
[16:04] <ahop> vs
[16:04] <ahop> http://www.ebay.fr/itm/1-0-36-7-Segment-Red-LED-Display-4-Digit-Common-Anode-/251718021572?pt=FR_YO_MaisonJardin_Bricolage_ElectroniqueComposants&hash=item3a9b9031c4
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[16:09] <Wazza> ahop: that's a guide showing you how to use the arduino ones with a raspberry pi
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[16:10] <ahop> Wazza yes but you have to buy their Adafruit 10$ ones (ie 15euro with shipping) right?
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[16:26] <baconology> whats your favourite c compiler for the rpi?
[16:27] <kisak> your main choices are gcc and llvm
[16:27] <baconology> thx
[16:28] <kisak> gcc generally can make faster binaries, but takes longer to compile things compared to llvm
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[16:35] <baconology> recommend a c/c++ spi library like spidev in python?
[16:36] <baconology> can you please, rather (append that to the front of the sentence0
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[16:38] <engblom> kisak: Somehow Bitrig (an OpenBSD fork) compiled with llvm feels a lot snappier than OpenBSD compiled with gcc.
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[16:41] <shadeslayer> So, my Raspberry Pi 2 has the act LED blinking , but nothing on my HDMI output
[16:41] <shadeslayer> any clue?
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[16:43] <strobelight> can we assume the other end is plugged into a monitor and it's powered on?
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[16:46] <baconology> i ruined my monitors with cheap hdmi cables
[16:47] <baconology> broke em good, maybe ur hdmi port is bork
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[16:49] <shadeslayer> strobelight: yeah
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[16:49] <shadeslayer> how long does it take to do a first boot?
[16:49] <strobelight> less than a minute
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[16:50] <strobelight> and by first boot, you mean the config screen?
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[16:51] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't know, there's nothing coming up on my screen :)
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[16:51] <shadeslayer> and first boot, I mean flash the raspbian image to the sd card
[16:51] <shadeslayer> plug in sd card, power on rpi2
[16:51] <shadeslayer> let me flash the msd card again
[16:51] <Hix> have you got a serial > usb cable?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> nope
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[16:52] <strobelight> what command ru using to image the card?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> dd
[16:52] <shadeslayer> dd if=raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb
[16:53] <Hix> bs=1M ?
[16:53] <strobelight> when you put the card in did it show up under /dev/sdb?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Hix: hm, no, didn't specify the block size
[16:54] <shadeslayer> strobelight: in the rpi?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Hix: let me try that
[16:55] <strobelight> no on your linux.... the point being, it cannot be mounted before doing an dd
[16:55] <baconology> still looking for an spi library in c/c++ that is similar to spidev in python - perhaps I should try the #c channels?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> strobelight: ah yeah, it showed up under fdisk, and I didn't mount it
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[16:57] <shadeslayer> fun, changing the bs to 1M increased my write speeds
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[16:58] <strobelight> yepper
[16:58] * shadeslayer waits for sync to finish flushing buffers
[16:59] <strobelight> shadeslayer: anything plugged into your usb ports?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> strobelight: nope
[16:59] <strobelight> on the pi
[16:59] <shadeslayer> just power and HDMI
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[17:00] <strobelight> that should at least work
[17:00] <shadeslayer> yeah, I think it showed the config screen once
[17:00] <strobelight> which image are you using?
[17:00] <shadeslayer> the raspberry pi2
[17:00] <strobelight> there's noobs, raspbian, openelc, ...
[17:00] <shadeslayer> but again, I /think/ it showed it, because I yanked out the power cable right after
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[17:01] <shadeslayer> strobelight: right, sorry, I meant raspbian
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[17:01] <strobelight> no need to yank power cord, just plug in keyboard and configure
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[17:06] <shadeslayer> looking at the dmesg log
[17:07] <shadeslayer> nothing after 12 seconds
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[17:08] <baconology> http://hertaville.com/2013/07/24/interfacing-an-spi-adc-mcp3008-chip-to-the-raspberry-pi-using-c/ <-- very useful SPIdev / C application, thanks all
[17:10] <shadeslayer> strobelight: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10575345/
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[17:11] <strobelight> so it works?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> it doesn't bring up HDMI
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[17:13] <strobelight> does your monitor require you to switch to that input?
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[17:14] <shadeslayer> it has auto scanning
[17:14] <shadeslayer> so it should pick it up
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[17:15] <strobelight> not if something already sending video on another port. try disconnecting everything but the pi input to the monitor
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[17:16] <strobelight> or try another monitor, cable, both
[17:18] <shadeslayer> strobelight: faulty HDMI cable
[17:18] <shadeslayer> and had to do a power cycle
[17:19] <strobelight> some hdmi cables connectors are not the same dimensions as the sockets
[17:20] <shadeslayer> strobelight: this is a HDMI cable from the same manufacturer
[17:20] <shadeslayer> the other one just broke I guess
[17:20] <strobelight> so they wriggle
[17:20] <strobelight> could be
[17:20] <strobelight> "when in doubt, throw it out"
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[17:21] <strobelight> can apply to cables in this case, and not just food
[17:21] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, got my wifi light - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SGLKWQW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 , now to reverse engineer the protocol :)
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[17:23] <ali1234> cool, wifi should be a lot easier than bluetooth to deal with
[17:23] <Froolap> krelo: I just got done having a "situation" where I could plug in my computer or my pi directly to the tv and it worked....
[17:24] <Froolap> but connecting through the kvm didn't work. turned out that the vga cable from tv to kvm (same one used to connect to pc and pi) went bad.
[17:24] <Froolap> Replacwed the vga cable between kvm and tv and the kvm, pc and pi all work wonderfully.
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[17:28] <charlie_sanders> ali1234, thats what I was thinking
[17:30] <Froolap> does this look like a good thing to do? Would you trust this image? http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/27544/can-i-use-fedora-on-the-pi-2
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[17:38] <strobelight> well there's a PiDora image on the downloads tab of raspberrypi.org which is based off Fedora.
[17:40] <Froolap> Yes, but it's PI1 only. I tried to install it on the PI2 and it never even tried to boot. I was hoping it would run, just slowly.
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[17:41] <strobelight> ah
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[17:52] <shiftplusone> Froolap, to repeat for the third time. Update the kernel on it and it will run just fine.
[17:53] <Froolap> I don't know how to do that when it won't boot.
[17:53] <shiftplusone> plug the card into your PC
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[17:54] <Froolap> and then what?
[17:56] <shiftplusone> and then copy these files onto the fat32 partition https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
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[17:56] <Froolap> it's been 20 years siince I compiled a kernel, so I have 0 clue
[17:57] <shiftplusone> no need to compile anything
[17:58] <IT_Sean> you. just. need. to. copy. some. files.
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[17:59] <Froolap> trying that. thanks
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[18:00] <Froolap> whaat do I do about kernel headers?
[18:01] <shiftplusone> nothing
[18:01] <shiftplusone> You should get the modules though
[18:02] <shiftplusone> but you should be able to at least boot without them and then get them later.
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[18:04] <StrawMachie> Anyone did offensive security course?
[18:05] <Froolap> Ok, I have no idea what to do with that, that doesn't seem to be downloads it appears to be a lot of readin.
[18:05] <shiftplusone> Froolap, then maybe forget about it and use raspbian.
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[18:06] <Froolap> I can't use raspberian. can't make it do anything.
[18:06] <Froolap> fedora I can get around on....
[18:06] * strobelight lol'd
[18:06] <shiftplusone> start reading up on it
[18:06] <Froolap> it doesn't matter how much I read up on it. stml.
[18:07] <shiftplusone> =/
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[18:08] <shiftplusone> Froolap, the only difference is that instead of yum, you'll run apt-get
[18:08] <shiftplusone> and it's sysvinit instead of systemd, but ignore that for now.
[18:09] <shiftplusone> aside from that, linux is linux and works exactly the same regardless of the distro.
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[18:11] <codinho> guys, does image_fx deinterlacer fix the timestamps?
[18:11] <codinho> it looks like it doesn't
[18:12] <strobelight> IT_Sean: perhaps an official pidora with the new firmware for pi2?
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[18:14] <strobelight> alias yum=apt-get #?
[18:15] <strobelight> probably need a function since if arg1 is search, need to run apt-files instead
[18:15] <strobelight> or apt-cache pkgnames
[18:16] <strobelight> CentOS?
[18:16] * strobelight back to work, I digress
[18:19] <IT_Sean> strobelight: why are you asking me?
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[18:20] <strobelight> bc maybe you know who might be able to do that
[18:20] <Hix> is there a multiline comment for pi files such as /etc/rc.local?
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[18:21] <IT_Sean> strobelight: I do not work for Pidora, or The Foundation. You should direct your product suggestions to the apropreate parties.
[18:21] <strobelight> good idea
[18:21] <IT_Sean> ... and not me
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[18:22] <strobelight> np, just thought being an operator you'd have more info, and you did!
[18:22] <Hix> it seems that lines are individually commented out
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[18:24] <IT_Sean> strobelight: the channel operators in here have no information to share beyond what is posted on the raspi public website / the internet in general.
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[18:25] <Hix> is this correct?
[18:25] <Hix> : '
[18:26] <Hix> here is a comment
[18:26] <Hix> over two lines
[18:26] <Hix> '
[18:26] <strobelight> in rc.local?
[18:26] <shiftplusone> Hix, yes, that's a hacky way to do multiline comments in bash
[18:26] <shiftplusone> not 100% sure that's the exact syntax, but it's something like that.... try it and see
[18:26] <strobelight> usually \ at end of line
[18:26] <Hix> cheers shiftplusone
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[18:28] <Hix> pi
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[18:29] <Hix> Cool the : ' multiline blurb ' works
[18:29] <shiftplusone> yup, I've used it before as well... much nicer than #'s everywhere
[18:30] <Hix> yes, line by line leave you open to all manner of errors in nano / vim
[18:30] <shiftplusone> well, in some cases
[18:30] <Hix> valuable for annotation, but to test code and disable :' fgfgdfgdfg ' is much easier and more failsafe
[18:31] <Hix> it seems that working headless makes you learn much quicker
[18:31] <Hix> by headless i mean the pi not me. :D
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[18:58] <Anorion> does the little rainbow square thing that pops up for a second when my pi is booting mean anything?
[18:59] <StrawMachie> What?
[18:59] <StrawMachie> An example?
[18:59] <muriani> Anorion: I think it's just a boot video test
[19:00] <Anorion> ok, cool
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Anorion: it means tinkerbel is alive
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[19:02] <StrawMachie> Anyway I wouldn't worry about it
[19:03] <StrawMachie> But to research it would gr8
[19:04] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Coloured_splash_screen
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[19:05] <Sonny_Jim> " its just four pixels "blown up" by the GPU to full screen"
[19:05] <alchemistswl> :>
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[19:20] <Froolap> no usb....
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[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> Care to elaborate Froolap?
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[19:23] <StrawMachie> God you arrived
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[19:26] <PigFlu> why can the 3.3v pin only supply 50 mA??
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[19:27] <shiftplusone> it's not that it can only supply that much, it's that you shouldn't draw more than that. Given that it's coming off a regulator powering pretty much everything other than usb.
[19:29] <PigFlu> ugh. so when i make a hat, i have to power it from the 5v pins through my own regulator? that sucks
[19:30] <shiftplusone> depends on the HAT.
[19:30] <PigFlu> well, it needs 3.3V.
[19:30] <shiftplusone> so does the astro-pi hat, but there are no regulators on there.
[19:31] <PigFlu> ..what
[19:33] <shiftplusone> ...words
[19:33] <shiftplusone> We'e got an attiny88, and a load of sensors on a HAT without the need for any regulators.
[19:33] <Aboba> ....hats
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[19:34] <ali1234> 50mA is a lot
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[20:00] <Froolap> trying to get pidora running on the pi2. copied the kernel over as was suggested, and no mouse/keyboard....
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[20:00] <Froolap> nut I have a pretty screen with a mouse pointer that won't move
[20:02] <shiftplusone> probably because the modules are missing.
[20:02] <shiftplusone> Can you SSH in?
[20:02] <Froolap> all I did was add files, not remove.
[20:02] <Froolap> Nope, can't configure the network or anything else.
[20:02] <shiftplusone> I know, but you are running a different kernel
[20:02] <shiftplusone> but does it 'just work' out of the box? try it
[20:03] <Froolap> I don't have a cat5 connection, so no network
[20:03] <shiftplusone> ah
[20:03] <shiftplusone> well, given your situation, it's going to be... tricky.
[20:03] <shiftplusone> what OS is on your main PC?
[20:03] <Froolap> win xp, and fedora.... I think 21.
[20:04] <shiftplusone> okay, you should be able to do it from fedora
[20:05] <shiftplusone> So... you mount your boot and root partitions somewhere, then download rpi-update. Then you run sudo BOOT_PATH=/wherever/you/mounted/boot ROOT_PATH=/same/for/root ./rpi-update
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[20:07] <Froolap> k
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[20:09] <shiftplusone> it's a bit of a shame it boots directly to X
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[20:10] <Froolap> If the mouse and keyboard worked, I think I would be in business.
[20:11] <Froolap> brb
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[20:21] <niston> gah
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[20:22] <niston> ms skype can't send the password reset mail to hotmail for some reason >=/
[20:22] <niston> both ms services, no workies together #@!
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[20:26] <IT_Sean> niston: Because Microsoft.
[20:26] <niston> too much hololens I guess!
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[20:38] <Tenkawa> hi all
[20:38] <McBride36> hi
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[20:39] <stevenjames> can i use a USB image writer to write raspbian to the microSD?
[20:39] <shiftplusone> stevenjames, that's pretty much what the documentations tells you to do
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[20:40] <stevenjames> no. the documentation says to do it from terminal
[20:40] <stevenjames> which is not a problem, i was just wondering IF i could
[20:40] <shiftplusone> Thought you were talking about windows
[20:40] <shiftplusone> but yes
[20:41] <stevenjames> alright thanks, i would be with a man before i would use windows
[20:41] <shiftplusone> hey don't knock it until you try it
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[20:42] <IT_Sean> (><)
[20:42] <buZz> is the new meaning of the red led on B+/2B to say 'power ok' or something?
[20:42] <IT_Sean> dude.... really.
[20:42] <stevenjames> hahaha
[20:42] <IT_Sean> buZz: POOOWAAAAHHH!
[20:42] <buZz> cause its not on but my raspi2 booted just fine
[20:42] <buZz> from some usb batterypack
[20:42] <IT_Sean> (Oo)
[20:42] <shiftplusone> buZz, voltage > 4.65, I think.
[20:43] <IT_Sean> ^
[20:43] <buZz> shiftplusone: yeah that would make sense
[20:43] <shiftplusone> do you see a rainbow square in the corner?
[20:43] <buZz> on screen? i dont have a hdmi screen connected atm
[20:43] <shiftplusone> ah, nvrm then.
[20:43] <buZz> i can ssh in though
[20:43] <shiftplusone> But yeah... get a better power supply and or cable
[20:43] <shiftplusone> you will have stability issues
[20:44] <buZz> yeah figured, ok ty :)
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[20:44] <buZz> guess i just need some better battery source for this :)
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[20:47] <IT_Sean> or, yanno... a wall plug doohickey
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[20:47] <McBride36> yes, doohickeys are always good things to have. i make sure to have at least 10 on hand
[20:48] <steve_rox> haha
[20:48] <buZz> sure, plenty of those, just need to make it mobile for a bit :)
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[21:08] <Harm133> Hey guys, I'm trying to make a really simple relay to raspberry pi configuration. So, I'll get a 8V to a relay which in turn gives a little pulse to the GPIO, but I don't know which pins to use :) Any help ?
[21:09] <shiftplusone> well first thing to note is that the pin probably can't drive the relay directly and you'll need a mosfet in there as well
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[21:10] <cehteh> ... moreover you may destroy your pi attempting it
[21:11] <steve_rox> i used that sainsmart 8 relay board
[21:11] <Aboba> like i did last week
[21:11] <pii4> how i can use ptrace on raspbian ?
[21:11] <Aboba> Now I'm trying to figure out the safest way to be able to use PWM and not fry my new RPi
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[21:11] <Aboba> but I'm having a hard time getting anyone to talk about safety
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[21:13] <steve_rox> wonder what a pwm is
[21:13] <Aboba> pulse width management
[21:13] <Aboba> essentially pulsing the pin to deliver a "partial" pin
[21:13] <steve_rox> oh i have no idea about that stuff
[21:13] <Aboba> partial load
[21:13] <Aboba> speed control
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[21:13] <steve_rox> pulseing it so fast would do that i dunno?
[21:13] <Aboba> or stepper control
[21:14] <Aboba> no, what you do is pulse it at 50% for example, which delivers half power
[21:14] <Aboba> aproximately
[21:14] <steve_rox> ive done stepper motors
[21:14] <buZz> it delivers full power but is on half of the time
[21:14] <Aboba> ^
[21:14] <buZz> Aboba: i guess most important in terms of safety, is dont draw any amps :P
[21:14] <steve_rox> ive also done the led dimming trick
[21:14] <buZz> as little as possible anyway
[21:15] <Aboba> I was drawing 5mA when I fried it
[21:15] <Aboba> I think it was a back surge from a capacitor or something at 5v that did it
[21:15] <buZz> oo sounds bad yeah
[21:15] <Aboba> So that's why I'm looking at zener diodes + fuses
[21:15] <buZz> it shouldnt go above 1.8V afaik
[21:17] <IT_Sean> the GPIO pin on a Pi is a 3.3v pin... they are NOT 5v tolerant.
[21:17] <Froolap> Thank you RPI people.
[21:17] <Aboba> I know this.. That's why I'm trying to protect it
[21:17] <Aboba> but you're saying I can't even let it back 3.3v in?
[21:17] <Aboba> buzz I mean
[21:17] <IT_Sean> I've lost count of how many people have nuked a pin (or the entire pi) by applying 5v to a GPIO pin.
[21:18] <Aboba> I didn't do it on purpose
[21:18] <IT_Sean> We never said you did.
[21:18] <cehteh> if you configured it as output and then short circruit it to the other potential it will fry
[21:18] <Aboba> There shouldn't have been any other potential
[21:18] <cehteh> better at a 1k resistor to each output, just in case
[21:18] <Aboba> but that's what I'm trying to protect against
[21:18] <Aboba> would a 3.3v zener to ground help?
[21:19] <IT_Sean> I've not killed a Pi yet, but, i have released the magical blue smoke from other things. So... We've all been there at some point.
[21:19] <cehteh> no
[21:19] <Aboba> Why not?
[21:19] <cehteh> that wont protect it against short circruits
[21:19] <cehteh> just add a 1k resistor
[21:19] <Aboba> I have a 10k on there
[21:20] <cehteh> ok then
[21:20] <Aboba> I'm worried about voltage overage though
[21:20] <cehteh> a 3.3V zehner may protect it against overvoltage
[21:20] <Aboba> hence the zener
[21:20] <cehteh> yes
[21:20] <cehteh> thats ok then
[21:20] <Aboba> So a zener and resistor should give me at least a bit of protection
[21:21] <Aboba> My only other solution I've come up with is to put a arduino clone in between
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[21:21] <Aboba> that way I only fry $10, and it's more tolerant to start
[21:21] <Aboba> but adds complication obviously
[21:21] <cehteh> just design your stuff that it never ever gives overvoltage on the pins
[21:22] <Aboba> I don't know enough about electronics to do that
[21:22] <Aboba> I'm still learning
[21:22] <Aboba> and I know I'm going to make mistakes
[21:22] <steve_rox> wonder if a polyfuze would protect it :-P
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[21:22] <cehteh> you have 5V logic there?
[21:22] <Aboba> yes 5v logic on the motor controller
[21:23] <Aboba> I could throw a fuse in as well, just in case
[21:23] <cehteh> fuse wont blow fast enough when something really bad happens
[21:23] <steve_rox> i salvaged some polyfuses off old motherboards
[21:23] <Aboba> but it feels like I'm putting on hockey padding to ride a bicycle
[21:23] * IT_Sean puts in a grocery order to pick up on the way home
[21:23] <steve_rox> from the usb line
[21:23] <IT_Sean> whoops, erong channel
[21:23] <Aboba> lol
[21:24] <cehteh> just make sure that your motor controller never gives 5V on its input lines
[21:24] <steve_rox> wonder how much polyfuzes cost
[21:24] <cehteh> (it shouldnt)
[21:24] <Aboba> 100mA Polyfuse, single, $100
[21:24] <Aboba> $1
[21:24] <cehteh> will it work with 3.3V logic as input?
[21:24] <Aboba> supposed to be a decimal there
[21:25] <cehteh> else you need some driver
[21:25] <Aboba> Possibly, I would need to test
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[21:25] <cehteh> not test .. read the datasheet
[21:25] <Aboba> Yea, I was going to drive it off the same 5v supply that is powering the pi
[21:25] <steve_rox> 100$ for a polyfuse?
[21:25] <Aboba> $1.00
[21:25] <cehteh> testing may work, but might be not reliable
[21:25] <steve_rox> must be gold plated
[21:25] <Aboba> it was supposed to have a decimal
[21:25] <steve_rox> oh right
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[21:27] <steve_rox> guess ill salvage more polyfuses off old motherboards
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[21:28] <HtheB> I was wondering, are the gpio pinouts of RPi B (rev2) the same as RPi B (rev1)?
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[21:31] <StrawMachie> raspberry pi b+ python-pip download takes more than 5 mintues, should i overcloack if possible?
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[21:33] <HtheB> I think everyone is idle'ing
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[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Pretty sure overclocking doesn't affect network speed
[21:34] <Criggie> overclocking won't help a download go faster
[21:35] <Criggie> but it will make CPU tasks a little faster. However I would not recommend it.
[21:35] <Criggie> StrawMachie: have some patience.
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[21:37] <IT_Sean> StrawMachie: they are correct. Overclocking will to NOTHING to your network speed. It would, however, improve CPU performance. The network on a Pi is never gonna be great. Remember that the ethernet port is a USB device on the same hub that provides the othre USB ports. So, if you are downloading to a harddrive, you are sharing the USB bandwidth between the harddrive and the ethernet connection.
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[21:38] <HtheB> Are the gpio pinouts of RPi B (rev2) the same as RPi B (rev1)?
[21:39] <McBride36> huh TIL IT_Sean, that's neat
[21:39] <HtheB> (I'm talking about the old RPi, not the RPi2)
[21:40] <kisak> here I'm just hoping for a stable ~4 Mbps to be fed into omxplayer from twitch
[21:40] <eggy> speaking of overcloking, is there any point to OC a pi2?
[21:40] <Jaeger2k> hey guys, can you recommend me a program for linux to draw schematic circuit designs?
[21:41] <shiftplusone> Jaeger2k, kicad
[21:41] <cehteh> eggy: there is some 1ghz moderate/default overclocking ... its ok
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[21:41] <cehteh> getting the RAM speed faster is always good
[21:41] <shiftplusone> Jaeger2k, beginners seem to like fritzing, but... it's terrible.
[21:41] <kisak> right now, nothing more than 1280x720@30 with twitch has stable playback for me on the rpi2
[21:41] <Jaeger2k> idk as long it has some nice tutorials
[21:41] <Jaeger2k> *idc
[21:41] <shiftplusone> there's also eagle, but it's not free and open... although there's a free version with some size limitations. It's probably the most popular one.
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[21:42] <shiftplusone> I highly recommend kicad along with contextual electronics tutorials.
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[21:42] <Jaeger2k> shiftplusone, can you recommend certain tutorials?
[21:42] <Jaeger2k> kicad looks nice (just installed it)
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[21:42] <shiftplusone> Jaeger2k, https://www.youtube.com/user/contextualelectronic/playlists
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[21:43] <Froolap> smile, I got to pass on the help I got here to someone else with the same questions. Thanks
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[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> both KiCAD and Eagle have their drawbacks/strengths
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[21:44] <Sonny_Jim> In the end I couldn't cope with the weirdness of KiCAD and used Eagle, but even that has some really stupid UI decisions
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[21:45] <ZER0C001> hey all has anyone gotten the new Pi 2
[21:45] <Jaeger2k> many thanks, shift
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Plenty of people have, ZER0C001.
[21:45] <Froolap> I have. just got pidora running on it. It's cool
[21:45] <ZER0C001> Im thinking about grabbing one
[21:45] <ZER0C001> to replace my model B
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[21:46] <shiftplusone> I think if you're not yet indoctrinated by any particular CAD software to think that it has to work a certain way, kicad is a good choice. I know people used to other software have trouble with it.
[21:46] <shiftplusone> But the same goes for eagle, yeah.
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[21:46] <methuzla> HtheB: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/raspberry-pi-gpio-pinout
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[21:47] <HtheB> methuzla: thanks!
[21:48] <McBride36> i've been using fritzing
[21:48] <shiftplusone> and of course kicad runs on the pi =D
[21:48] <McBride36> not sure if it's linux compatible tho
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[21:53] <stevenjames> please tell me what the major malfunction is https://imageshack.com/i/f0jS7Sopp
[21:54] <Armand> root doesn't need sudo, for one.
[21:54] <Armand> Writing to an SD card?
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[21:56] <stevenjames> i tried sudo AFTER just in case and yes i am
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[21:58] <pksato> stevenjames: umount partition first, umount /dev/sdb1
[21:59] <pksato> and dump to /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1
[21:59] <pksato> ah, this part are ok.
[22:00] <pksato> ah... on second attempt.
[22:00] <stevenjames> pksato i did and it says rad only
[22:00] <stevenjames> *read only
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[22:01] <Criggie> try bs=512 instead of 4 meg ?
[22:01] <pksato> remove card and ckeck write protect tab is not on lock position.
[22:01] <stevenjames> i tried bs 1 and both lock settings
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[22:01] <Criggie> no bs=1 is not good.
[22:02] <stevenjames> no?
[22:02] <Criggie> bs=512 or bs=4096
[22:02] <Criggie> Block Size, how much it writes at a time
[22:02] <pksato> take a long time, and overload sd cache.
[22:03] <pksato> better if use a proper flash memory write block size.
[22:03] <pksato> but, if not on lock, and not other issues, I dont know why can not write.
[22:04] <pksato> ah
[22:04] <pksato> no more /dev/sdb.
[22:04] <Criggie> you deleted the device node somehow ?
[22:04] <pksato> ls -l /dev/sdb
[22:04] <Criggie> or its come up as /dev/sdc ?
[22:04] <stevenjames> ok, i tried it again and now it shows blinking cursor which is good. i didn't do the dd command that shows progress so i imagine it's working
[22:05] <Criggie> yup
[22:05] <Criggie> ok in another window run killall -USR1 dd
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[22:05] <Criggie> it won't kill the dd, just make it print status info
[22:06] <stevenjames> that's a # 1 not letter L
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[22:19] <unix4linux> ok, received my MPEG2 license and pi2 works like a drive with live tv
[22:19] <unix4linux> now to convince the wife it's time to get rish of DirecTV :D
[22:20] <Criggie> unix4linux: good man.
[22:21] <shiftplusone> unix4linux, how are you getting live tv? using a dongle? if so, which?
[22:22] <unix4linux> on another note, I was testing my Mota battery pack (5v @ up to 12,000 mah). When I plug it into the pi2, I get a rainbow box at the top right corner flashing and the pi2 reboots on it's own often
[22:22] * ozzzy has a USB tv dongle that works great with Kodi on windows... no idea if it works on *nix
[22:22] <unix4linux> I thought that battery pack would be enough
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[22:27] <stevenjames> i'm formatting the SD card and starting over, FAT or ext4?
[22:27] <unix4linux> ext4
[22:27] <unix4linux> but I haven't done it
[22:27] <unix4linux> lol
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[22:27] <stevenjames> alright
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[22:33] <unix4linux> stevenjames, fwit, ext4 is faster and has better error checking
[22:33] <unix4linux> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3130
[22:33] <unix4linux> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143159
[22:33] <unix4linux> stevenjames, ^
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[22:33] <unix4linux> hope that shed's some light on the subject a bit more
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[22:35] <stevenjames> awesome man i appreciate it unix4linux
[22:35] <unix4linux> np
[22:36] <sonium> i have compiled a kernel.img but uname -r doesn't make sense, is there a way to check the content of the kernel.img ?
[22:36] <ApolloJustice> unix4linux, it's probably capping the amperage devices can draw via USB
[22:36] <ApolloJustice> i have a similar battery pack but it caps output at 1A
[22:36] <unix4linux> ApolloJustice, ah, ok...sigh
[22:37] <unix4linux> dang, I need a good battery
[22:37] <unix4linux> any recommendations or is this something I can tweak on the pi?
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> sonium, more info?
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[22:39] <ApolloJustice> unix4linux, the amperage cap is probably implemented on your battery, you could try underclocking your Pi to try to reduce it's current draw but i've never tried it or seen if it even decreases
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[22:39] <sonium> i compiled a kernel from source and then used 'sudo cp arch/arm/boot/Image /boot/kernel.img'
[22:39] <shiftplusone> sonium, also note that if you're running on a pi2, it would be kernel7.img
[22:40] <sonium> yes, it's pi2. but i also made copied it to kernel7.img
[22:40] <sonium> the same image
[22:40] <shiftplusone> sonium, another issue there is that if you just copy the kernel like that, you're not getting device tree support. You'd need to pass it through mkknlimg
[22:40] <shiftplusone> ah okay, so what about uname -r doesn't make sense?
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[22:41] <sonium> so uname -r is 3.18.7-v7+ but in /lib/modules/ I have a fresh directory 3.18.9-v7+
[22:42] <shiftplusone> and the kernel you compiled is...?
[22:42] <shiftplusone> or is that the question?
[22:42] <sonium> not sure about that
[22:42] <sonium> where in the src can I check?
[22:43] <shiftplusone> I think there's something like .kernelrelease or .release in there somewhere.
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[22:43] <shiftplusone> yeah, look for a .kernelrelease
[22:43] <sonium> .version says 9
[22:43] <shiftplusone> find -name .kernelrelease
[22:44] <unix4linux> ApolloJustice, yea, it's def. the battery. my regular usb power supply does 5v @ 2.0 mA
[22:44] <unix4linux> The battery does it at 2.1 mA
[22:44] <ApolloJustice> 2A you mean
[22:44] <ApolloJustice> surely not mA
[22:44] <unix4linux> yep
[22:44] <unix4linux> sorry
[22:44] <unix4linux> ;)
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[22:44] <unix4linux> so the battery must be capping output then, sigh
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[22:45] <ApolloJustice> at least yours just caps it
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[22:45] <ApolloJustice> mine kills power when something tries to draw more than 1A
[22:45] <sonium> shiftplusone, don't have that file, but I got is like two days ago from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[22:46] <unix4linux> ApolloJustice, interesting...baffles me how the battery is rated at 2.1A but doesn't provide that to my device
[22:46] <unix4linux> unless if I am just missing something here
[22:46] <ApolloJustice> wwait
[22:46] <ApolloJustice> 2.1A is the output cap then
[22:46] <ApolloJustice> uhh
[22:46] <ApolloJustice> thats weird
[22:47] <unix4linux> yep
[22:47] <sonium> shiftplusone, Makefile says 3.18.9
[22:47] <shiftplusone> sonium, I get the impression that you mostly know what you're doing and should be able to figure this out. It's one of those things you need to be there for to know exactly what you've done so far and what you need to do now.
[22:47] <CoJaBo> unix4linux: Device manufacturers are notoriious for inflating thsoe numbers
[22:47] <ApolloJustice> tru
[22:47] <CoJaBo> If something says 2A, it will probably top out at 1A
[22:47] <unix4linux> unless if my battery is just bad
[22:48] <Aboba> yea, getting 2.1 properly out of something rated to that is unlikely
[22:48] <didzan> Hello all, how long take the migration feon wheezy to Jessie ??
[22:48] <didzan> from***
[22:49] <CoJaBo> Some of them have incredibly terrible amounts of ripple at even a fraction of load as well
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[22:49] <CoJaBo> Which might charge a pphone, but it'll crash a pi
[22:49] <shiftplusone> sonium, maybe check the timestamps and content of /boot ?
[22:49] <unix4linux> i wonder if there is a tester I can use to measure
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[22:49] <unix4linux> to make sure what Amp I am getting out of the batter
[22:50] <CoJaBo> I tested a counterfeit phone charger once, those are hilariously awful
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[22:50] <CoJaBo> At no-load, it read 17v
[22:50] <unix4linux> i have a voltimeter, but not sure how to test a battery like this with one
[22:50] <CoJaBo> 500ma was around 4v
[22:50] <ApolloJustice> a multimeter should work
[22:50] <didzan> Hello all, how long take the migration from wheezy to Jessie ??
[22:51] <didzan> via repos!
[22:51] <sonium> shiftplusone, already did. I'm just puzzled by this. rpi2 should load kernel7.img ? so kernel.img is not needed
[22:52] <shiftplusone> sonium, it will fallback on kernel.img if kernel7.img fails, but yes.
[22:52] <sonium> are there any other fallbacks?
[22:54] <shiftplusone> if recovery.elf is present, it will use recovery7.img
[22:54] <shiftplusone> the names can also be changed in config.txt
[22:54] <sonium> so then this could mean, that my kernel just fails to load
[22:55] <shiftplusone> not if you have written it to kernel7.img and kernel.img
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[23:00] <didzan> Hello all, how long the upgrade from wheezy to jessie take?
[23:01] <sonium> shiftplusone, I deleted the images an copied it over again, seems it works now. Plz excuse my stupidity
[23:02] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:02] <shiftplusone> happens
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[23:07] <didzan> I'm trying to upgrade my rpi from rasbian wheezy to jessie... how long is it?
[23:08] <ZER0C001> im about to order an RPi 2
[23:08] <unix4linux> anyone know where on the raspberry pi2 I can test power (volts and amp)?
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[23:09] <Froolap> took me a day to get my pi2 running, but I'm happy I got it.
[23:09] <ozzzy> hmmm... I plugged mine in and it ran
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[23:10] <ZER0C001> I still have an original B that im using
[23:10] <Froolap> me to.
[23:11] <Froolap> Now I can run 2 eggdrops on seperate networks.
[23:11] <Froolap> isp
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[23:36] <stevenjames> alright i got it thanks for your help Criggie unix4linux pksato
[23:37] <unix4linux> np
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[23:42] <teclo-> Hi, how well is a Edimax EW-7612UAN supported on the Raspberry Pi ?
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[23:43] <shiftplusone> teclo-, what's the chipset?
[23:43] <teclo-> shiftplusone: I don't know... here's a link: http://befr.rs-online.com/web/p/wireless-adapters/7603625/
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[23:45] <shiftplusone> Does anyone have a good solution to automate things across multiple server? For example, something that will phone home once in a while and see what new tasks need to run?
[23:46] <shiftplusone> I don't want to reinvent the wheel and feel like this has been done millions of times before.
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> All reliably connected to the internet?
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[23:46] <shiftplusone> yup
[23:47] <ZER0C001> there we go, bought a B+
[23:47] <ZER0C001> itll be here thursday
[23:47] <ZER0C001> then ill toss my B on ebay and get another B+
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[23:53] <teclo-> hmmm the Edimax EW-7612UAn isn't supported out-of-the-box it seems
[23:54] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, I... thought you had an answer ready. =P
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[23:57] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: I got distracted
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[23:58] <shiftplusone> oh, sorry >.>
[23:58] <shiftplusone> Capistrano looks interesting
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