#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-11

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[0:04] <jamesaxl> hi
[0:05] <shiftplusone> hi
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[0:05] <jamesaxl> wht should i say to seller if i want to buy like that http://www.adafruit.com/product/856 if he does not have same brand
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[0:06] <shiftplusone> ?
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[0:08] <jamesaxl> shiftplusone: we do not have MCP3008 here, could use another chip which will help me to connect analog devices with raspberrypi
[0:08] <shiftplusone> yes
[0:09] <shiftplusone> is there a catalog?
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[0:10] <jamesaxl> shiftplusone: he has a loooot :(
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[0:11] <jamesaxl> shiftplusone: i need only characters of chip that i can use , but i do not know
[0:11] <jamesaxl> i only know 8-Channel 10-Bit
[0:11] <shiftplusone> any cmos voltage level ADC should work, but you should check the datasheet
[0:12] <shiftplusone> ask for a a part number for an ADC that will work with 3.3v logic and then look up the datasheet
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[0:15] <ali1234> a ZN448 and a 74HC165 should do it
[0:15] <ali1234> (very badly)
[0:18] <jamesaxl> shiftplusone: thaks a lot
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[0:19] <shiftplusone> np
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[0:22] <acidjazz> this might be sort of a dump question but anyone ever have to write connectivity checking in node? see if the internet is out there? any easy way?
[0:23] <thescatman_> acidjazz, I'm probably totally misunderstanding you but couldn't you just ping www.google.com
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[0:25] <shiftplusone> clearly, I'm an automation wizard >.> http://pastebin.com/w7Y9PvVY
[0:26] <Criggie> shiftplusone: you just reinvented the wheel - well done
[0:26] <shiftplusone> badly
[0:26] <Criggie> shiftplusone: look for a package called cssh and run it on your desktop.
[0:26] <ali1234> what are you actually trying to do?
[0:26] <shiftplusone> cssh is... terrible.
[0:26] <shiftplusone> ali1234, me?
[0:26] <ali1234> yes
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[0:27] <ali1234> cssh is like a bad version of terminator
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[0:27] <Criggie> shiftplusone: http://pastebin.com/pExnubk6 <-- I did this 10 years ago. :)
[0:28] <shiftplusone> Don't know the specifics yet. But the basic idea is to run arbitrary scripts automatically on multiple pis.
[0:28] <shiftplusone> Criggie, looks... familiar =P
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[0:30] <Criggie> shiftplusone: :) I'm tempted to do this somedays on-all-systems poweroff
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[0:32] <acidjazz> thescatman_: this looks sufficient https://github.com/sindresorhus/is-online
[0:32] <shiftplusone> heh.... would be very anti-climacting here as it's just 4 pis doing... nothing yet.
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[1:15] <Anorion> is there a "recommended" power adapter? I've lost one of my 2.0A ones... :(
[1:15] <stevenjames> you have an android phone?
[1:15] <Anorion> nope
[1:17] <McBride36> almost any wall wart that uses USB works
[1:17] <McBride36> at least in my experience
[1:17] <Anorion> I have a Samsung 2.0 A charger, but they're a bit pricey, so I was just wondering if you guys know a decent cheap one
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[1:17] <Anorion> well, the spare one I have is a 500mA one, and it's a no-go
[1:17] <Anorion> works for my MS Wireless Display Adapter, though
[1:18] <stevenjames> i just made sure the V/mA matched and used the one from my moto G
[1:18] <ApolloJustice> it has to be 5V
[1:18] <ApolloJustice> the higher the amperage, the better
[1:18] <stevenjames> what is it atleast 600mA? i'd get closer to 1A
[1:18] <ApolloJustice> 600-700mA will be okay-ish but most USB stuff won't work
[1:18] <ApolloJustice> 2-3A is recommended
[1:18] <Anorion> I thought it tended to not like less than 1.5A
[1:18] <Anorion> okay
[1:19] <McBride36> seems like i just got lucky then
[1:19] <Anorion> it works well with my 2A one, but I want to leave a charger at work
[1:19] <ApolloJustice> use the cheap one for your phone then :P
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[1:19] <McBride36> here's one for about six buckx http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EJXPZZY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[1:19] <ali1234> A+ with a USB wifi and a pi camera streaming 720p h264 over the network uses about 350mA
[1:20] <ali1234> idle it uses about 200mA
[1:20] <ApolloJustice> btw
[1:20] <Anorion> cool
[1:20] <ApolloJustice> most cheap power supplies don't actually supply what's advertised
[1:20] <Anorion> yeah, that's been my problem
[1:22] <waveform> ali1234, wow that's good - I had the camera down as using 250mA during operation
[1:22] <Anorion> I wonder how much mine pulls under full load doing a simulation in Mathematica...
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[1:22] <McBride36> test it
[1:22] <Anorion> I don't have a Kill-a-watt
[1:22] <Anorion> :(
[1:23] <shiftplusone> waveform, not much more than one doing nothing.
[1:23] <shiftplusone> I... can't read.
[1:23] <shiftplusone> *Anorion
[1:23] <CoJaBo> don't have a multimeter?
[1:23] <waveform> shiftplusone, hmm - I've certainly managed to get a Pi to crash before by firing up the camera (right at the start of a presentation because the only power supply available was a laptop usb port ;)
[1:24] <shiftplusone> waveform, yeah, the camera uses a fair bit of current. I meant that one running a simulation in mathematica won't since the CPU load doesn't make much of a difference.
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[1:24] <Anorion> yeah, I have a multimeter, but the probes are lolheug
[1:24] <ali1234> what about if we spam hello_fft etc?
[1:24] <waveform> shiftplusone, oops - missed the correction :)
[1:25] <Anorion> ah, cool
[1:25] <ali1234> waveform: i bet you weren't using an A+ though
[1:25] <shiftplusone> I suspect spamming hello_fft will just crash things >.>. Don't know how it would affect the poware usage though.
[1:25] <Anorion> my friend has an original B, and it's painful to work in Mm on it
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[1:26] <Cessna1090> i have a general electronics question..how/why do some projects suggest placing a capacitor across the +/- terminals?
[1:26] <waveform> ali1234, indeed - haven't got one of those yet (a few B's, an A, a 2B, no B+ or A+'s though)
[1:26] <ali1234> to filter out noice
[1:26] <ali1234> *noise
[1:26] <shiftplusone> Cessna1090, to filter out... what he said.
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[1:27] <waveform> ali1234, the only reason I mention it is I needed something for the picamera FAQ - so I nabbed the details off http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#cameraPower
[1:27] <ali1234> what's picamera?
[1:27] <waveform> ali1234, but if there's some actual measurements that'd be good to add
[1:27] <ali1234> is it the digital camera type thing?
[1:27] <waveform> ali1234, http://picamera.readthedocs.org/en/release-1.9/
[1:27] <shiftplusone> waveform, wait a second, you're waveform80? Haven't seen you on IRC much.... I would've harassed you with so many picamera questions =P
[1:27] <waveform> heh, yeah that's me
[1:28] <waveform> I'm usually on the sql related channels (being a DBA in my day job)
[1:28] <waveform> but it suddenly occurred to me there might just be an rpi community on freenode and I ought to check it out ;)
[1:28] <ali1234> hmm i should reverse engineer the device mode on the USB port
[1:28] <Cessna1090> how does a capacitor, technically, work in this capacity (no pun intended)
[1:29] <ali1234> then we can make a proper digicam that you plug in to your computer like a normal one
[1:29] <shiftplusone> waveform, well... you, sir, have opened a can of worms. I'll probably be bugging you some time later. I've got some C stuff going on which I would like to port to python for the foundation. I'm having trouble doing some of the lower level things, so I abandoned it >.>.
[1:29] <ali1234> Cessna1090: if the voltage spikes, the capacitor will absorb it (charge up) if the voltage drops, the capacitor will discharge to make up for it
[1:29] <Cessna1090> ali1234: so it acts somewhat as a regulator?
[1:30] <ali1234> Cessna1090: no it doesn't act as a regulator, it can only handle very short spikes
[1:30] <ali1234> it acts as a filter
[1:30] <ali1234> if the voltage increases slowly, the capacitor won't be able to do anything in this configuration
[1:30] <waveform> shiftplusone, feel free to e-mail me any long stuff (pretty sure my address is on the github page for picamera) - it'll probably take me a couple of days to answer long stuff though
[1:30] <shiftplusone> ah, thanks.
[1:31] <Anorion> Sweet. I found a 1.3A one
[1:31] <Anorion> think that'll do?
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[1:31] <ali1234> Cessna1090: in particular, know that a capacitor allows AC current to pass through it, but blocks DC current. which means any AC current in the power line goes through the capacitor, while the DC goes through whatever you are powering
[1:32] <Cessna1090> how does AC factor in when the power source is DC?
[1:32] <shiftplusone> Cessna1090, the noise/ripple component is AC
[1:32] <[Saint]> Anorion: The stated rating on a PSu means very, very, very little.
[1:32] <Cessna1090> i see
[1:33] <[Saint]> But, if its not lying (which is a BIG if), yes, 1.3A is ample.
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[1:33] <shiftplusone> ...heh... ample
[1:33] <Anorion> It's Nokia-branded, so I can hope
[1:33] <[Saint]> Fakes abound.
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[1:35] <ozzzy> Is the board artwork on the V2 supposed to say 'Raspberry Pie'?
[1:35] <shiftplusone> ozzzy, pic?
[1:35] <Cessna1090> basically i put a 1000µF capacitor across the +/- terminals (as suggested by this project's author). how would i check to see if it's 'working'?
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[1:35] <ozzzy> hehe... j/k... going along with the 'fakes abound' comment
[1:35] <ali1234> Cessna1090: connect an oscilloscope to the + and -
[1:35] <shiftplusone> oh =(
[1:36] <shiftplusone> I got excited there for a second
[1:36] <ozzzy> sorry
[1:36] <ozzzy> have there been issues with fake Pis?
[1:37] <Cessna1090> ali1234: is there a way to do similiar via a multimeter?
[1:37] <ali1234> Cessna1090: no
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[1:39] <shiftplusone> Nuh, only to the extent that people copy the layout and claim their board is pi compatible just because some pins are vaguely in the same place. Or tag 'pi' onto their name to fool people into thinking it has anything to do with the pi.
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[1:39] <Cessna1090> ali1234: would any basic (inexpensive) oscilloscope work for this purpose?
[1:39] <ali1234> probably
[1:40] <Cessna1090> trying to cure my ignorance of regarding low-level electronics
[1:40] <shiftplusone> Cessna1090, may I ask why? I've never felt the need to check that a capacitor is 'working' that way. I've measure the capacitance before and monitored the waveforms, but never in the context of what you're doing.
[1:40] <pksato> Capacitor Store Energy. Large value microFaraday (uF) are used to prevent quick power outage. Small capacitance, nanoForaday (nF)usualy are used on filters. uF and nF usualy are used on parallel on power rails. and have other things about capacitor.
[1:41] <ozzzy> big caps are used other than to smooth power drops
[1:41] <shiftplusone> https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/capacitors
[1:42] <Cessna1090> shiftplusone: i'm just trying to learn more of the fundementals..here is the 'project' i was referring to: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-neopixel-uberguide/power
[1:42] <Anorion> [Saint], this one came with my Lumia 920, so I doubt it's a fake
[1:42] <Cessna1090> (tinkering with adafruit's neopixels)
[1:42] <shiftplusone> Cessna1090, then click the last link. It covers the essentials pretty well.
[1:43] <Anorion> damn I miss that phone
[1:43] <shiftplusone> also... this guy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mmiWfkO_Yw
[1:43] <ozzzy> dang that was a good salad
[1:43] <shiftplusone> good salad? that's an oxymoron
[1:43] <Cessna1090> i'm great at software/programming and high-level electronics, but not so much with PCB components
[1:44] <Cessna1090> reading the sparkfun tutorial now
[1:44] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edel3eduRj4
[1:44] <ozzzy> shiftplusone, I've discovered this EatSmart thing with '7 superfoods'.... it's tasty and crunchy and has berries
[1:44] <ozzzy> I can dig that.... boring lettuce salads are just nasty
[1:44] <shiftplusone> ah
[1:45] <ozzzy> but I don't use the bundles sesame dressing... I use Italian
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[2:00] <Anorion> okay
[2:00] <Anorion> with this power supply, the power LED is red, and the little rainbow square keeps popping up
[2:00] <Anorion> I think that means not enough amps
[2:00] <shiftplusone> power led is always red
[2:01] <shiftplusone> but if the rainbow square is there the power led is flickering a little too
[2:01] <Anorion> actually, I just remembered... the plug I plugged it in to is faulty...
[2:01] <Anorion> ffs
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[2:01] <Anorion> protip: never buy an old house
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[2:02] <shiftplusone> plus it's not always the power supply. the cable itself is often the problem
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[2:03] <Anorion> well, this is a brand new cable, but I know the plug is bad
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[2:03] <Anorion> lemme try another plug...
[2:04] <pksato> prefer short cables.
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[2:15] <Cessna1090> anyone have a reccomendation for a multimeter that's <$50 ?
[2:15] <shiftplusone> nope
[2:16] <shiftplusone> http://www.eevblog.com/files/EEVblog_50_Dollar_Multimeter_Shootout.pdf
[2:16] <shiftplusone> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoeUgMFLyAw
[2:16] <ali1234> what do i need to do to get a serial terminal on a fresh raspbian image?
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[2:17] <shiftplusone> ali1234, on by default. set the baud rate to 115200
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[2:18] <ali1234> am i going to get kernel junk? i want to run ppp or slip or something
[2:19] <shiftplusone> yeah, but you can disable it
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[2:19] <shiftplusone> cmdline.txt would be the place for that... and if you don't want a shell on there, /etc/inittab
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[2:20] <ali1234> ideally i want to see the early boot and then have kernel messages go somewhere else once getty starts
[2:21] <shiftplusone> hm.. maybe double check that that's not the case already.
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[2:24] <Anorion> looks like this charger isn't butch enough
[2:26] <Anorion> even with a 10cm cable, I get rainbowsquare all the time
[2:26] <muriani> what's the charger rated?
[2:26] <Anorion> 1.2A
[2:27] <muriani> hm
[2:27] <muriani> that *should* be
[2:27] <muriani> but it could be lying
[2:27] <Anorion> I also tried it with a 1.0A samsung charger
[2:27] <Anorion> could be the fact I have it connected to a mechanical keyboard
[2:27] <muriani> I've run mine off a 700mA samsung charger
[2:27] <muriani> oh
[2:27] <Anorion> these things draw some juice
[2:27] <muriani> still
[2:27] <muriani> 500mA at most
[2:27] <Anorion> true
[2:28] <muriani> I'd recommend a 2A one at least though
[2:28] <Anorion> yep, I'll buy another one when I order my case
[2:28] <muriani> i think my lapdock is dual-powering mine
[2:29] <muriani> because the "power" is the USB port on it
[2:29] <Anorion> The USB charger on my Surface power adapter is only 1.0A.
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[2:29] <Anorion> That's disappointing
[2:29] <muriani> but the keyboard is connected via the USB "dock" connector, which is meant to charge a phone
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[2:29] <muriani> and it will backpower the Pi2 over the USB A connector
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[2:30] <muriani> so I'm getting power from both USB connections
[2:30] <Anorion> cool
[2:30] <Anorion> sounds dangerous, tbh
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[2:31] <muriani> well it's a known feature
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[2:31] <muriani> earlier Pi models used to backpower from the lapdock
[2:31] <muriani> apparently the b+ lost it or something?
[2:31] <muriani> all I know is that it works on my pi2
[2:32] <muriani> wifi, xbox controller all connected up, compiling software on multiple cores, plenty of power to go around
[2:33] <muriani> I noticed when I unplugged the power connector to reboot the system early on.... the machine didn't turn off >_<
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[2:39] <Anorion> last retarded question for a while, I hope: Heatsinks?
[2:39] <abnormal> no
[2:39] <abnormal> don't need them
[2:40] <Anorion> figured that
[2:40] <Anorion> just thought I'd ask
[2:40] <abnormal> they are made to get hot.
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[2:40] <abnormal> just like cell phones, do you see heat sinks on those?
[2:41] <[Saint]> muriani: errrr...hmmmm.
[2:41] <[Saint]> that's not supposed to happen, at all.
[2:41] <Anorion> abnormal, not in the past couple decades~
[2:41] <[Saint]> By my understanding they even cut off being able to power the pi2 via GPIO 5V header.
[2:42] <[Saint]> abnormal: Anorion: bad analogy - they do have heatsyncs.
[2:42] <abnormal> Anorion, lol
[2:42] <ali1234> http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/15/panasonic-make-a-10-micron-thick-carbon-phone-heatsink/
[2:42] <[Saint]> Almost all modern smartphones have a heatsync for the SOC.
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[2:42] <[Saint]> So, yeah, that's a hilariously bad analogy.
[2:42] <abnormal> ok then forget me
[2:42] <Anorion> O_o
[2:42] <Anorion> weird
[2:43] <abnormal> but pi's don't need them
[2:43] <[Saint]> They'll usually multitask, like using the battery backing or EMF sheilding as a sync.
[2:43] <[Saint]> and, yeah, no, pis don't need them at all.
[2:44] <[Saint]> They won't care in the slightest until 80C, where they'll throttle, or 85C, where they'll thermal shutdown.
[2:44] <[Saint]> But that's well within safe operating range.
[2:44] <[Saint]> Many components are rated to around 80~120C
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[2:46] <[Saint]> I guess its somewhat misleading, modern smartphones don't have /conventional/ heatsyncs, but in many cases, they do exist. They're just a part of the chassis, or they'll use the battery, or EMF shielding, or an abundance of copper tape, etc.
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[2:47] <[Saint]> I've pulled apart far too many smartphones over the course of that last decade or so - seen lots of different implementations.
[2:47] <[Saint]> HTC /reeeeeeeeeeeeeally/ likes copper tape.
[2:47] <[Saint]> And LG, for that matter.
[2:47] <Anorion> I remember the first motorola phone I opened up had a legit aluminum sink
[2:47] <shiftplusone> and connectors which magically pop out for no reason.
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[2:48] <[Saint]> ^ yep
[2:48] <[Saint]> their ZIF slots are next to useless.
[2:48] <shiftplusone> have they gotten any better over the last few years?
[2:49] <[Saint]> Not really. Some of them know the extent of the problem, so they'll use ZIF, and then put a fat strip of copper tape over it.
[2:49] <Anorion> O-O
[2:49] <[Saint]> So if you don't ruin the flat-cable getting it out of the ZIF, you'll ruin it peeling the tape off. :-/
[2:49] <shiftplusone> I've had people tell me how great HTC is, but when I'd point out the crappy connectors, they'd come back with "oh, that was ages ago, they're much better now". I haven't taken apart any recent HTC phones (because I wouldn't buy one now), so I don't know. =/
[2:49] <Anorion> That's a poor solution
[2:49] <[Saint]> It is, indeed.
[2:50] * Anorion is a Nokia/Blackberry fan
[2:50] <ali1234> my htc wizard didn't have any ZIFs in it
[2:50] <Anorion> I like my phones bulletproof
[2:50] <[Saint]> Nah, HTC isn't any better with its construction now than it was in the past, IMO.
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[2:50] <ali1234> possible exception of the keyboard
[2:50] <[Saint]> They like the copper tape *way* too much. Its like they're made out of tape. Seriously.
[2:51] <[Saint]> And that hideous black rubbery glue crap.
[2:51] <Cessna1090> by anychace: anyone here familiar with ADS-B and/or RTL-SDR on the rpi?
[2:51] <[Saint]> When they say a battery is non-user-interchangeable, they _really_ mean it.
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[2:52] <ali1234> Cessna1090: i am familiar with those, but not on the pi
[2:52] <[Saint]> Nothing a hairdryer or reflow station can't fix, though.
[2:52] <ali1234> Cessna1090: in that i'e used rtl-sdr to receive ADS-B, but on a PC
[2:53] <[Saint]> Sadly, I have to say Samsung really knows what they're doing with smartphone internals.
[2:53] <[Saint]> Which sucks, because they have no idea how to GUI.
[2:53] <ali1234> very true, sadly
[2:53] <shiftplusone> GUI? Isn't the first thing you do with a phone put a ROM on it?
[2:53] <[Saint]> Though, TouchWiz is a /lot/ more toned down now in 5.0.2
[2:54] <shiftplusone> I just stick to samsung for now, though I hear some terrible things about how the company is run.
[2:54] <ali1234> only if you have an old one that has third party roms
[2:54] <ali1234> that's why i am clinging to my galaxy S
[2:54] <ali1234> it runs 4.4 surprisingly well considering how old it is
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[2:55] <[Saint]> People cry about modern Samsung phones not having third party ROMs in the US carrier scene, but, that's only because they were too cheap to buy an international factory unlocked variant outright and rely on carrier subsidization.
[2:56] <ali1234> in the UK the carrier has to unlock your phone at the end of the contract, it's great
[2:56] <[Saint]> International carrier unlocked variant from $arbitrary_vendor, or Nexus Programme, pick one.
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[2:56] <[Saint]> Anything else relies on exploitation that may or may not be open when you have to care about it.
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[2:57] <ali1234> we also don't have to pay to receive calls, lol
[2:57] <[Saint]> ali1234: carrier unlocking isn't going to help you flash a third party ROM though.
[2:57] <[Saint]> I mean bootloader unlocking.
[2:57] <shiftplusone> there are places where you have to pay to receive calls? O_o
[2:57] <[Saint]> yeah - its nuts.
[2:57] <ali1234> "international factory unlocked" isn't going to help with that either
[2:57] <ali1234> depending on the vendor
[2:57] <[Saint]> I...
[2:58] <ali1234> i've never had a carrier supplied phone, and i've always had to use exploits to unlock them
[2:58] * [Saint] nods politely and just agrees for want of not wanting to start an argument over the demonstrably untrue statement.
[2:58] <ali1234> galaxy S needed an exploit
[2:59] <[Saint]> the international developer edition variant didn't.
[2:59] <ali1234> "developer edition"
[3:00] <[Saint]> right. aka, factory unlocked.
[3:00] <ali1234> in the UK you can walk in to a shop and buy a phone which is not locked to a carrier. it isn't a "developer edition" though. it still needs signed firmware. it just doesn't care which carrier signed it
[3:00] <[Saint]> can't buy a phone with a locked bootloader and then cry you can't get in there. :)
[3:01] <[Saint]> Yeah, fot these purposes, carrier unlocking is irrelevant.
[3:01] <[Saint]> once you have RW access to the system partition you can just carrier unlock yourself.
[3:02] <Cessna1090> ali1234: regarding ads-b: do u recall what antenna u used?
[3:02] <ali1234> Cessna1090: a coat hanger. it didn't work very well
[3:02] <Cessna1090> lol
[3:02] <[Saint]> The method is reversible and repeatable for all the modern (read: all of the Samsungs for the past 6~7 years) Samsungs.
[3:03] <ali1234> it did work though. i was able to receive position of planes and plot them on a map, and verify them against that planespotter website
[3:03] <[Saint]> Samsung can't do anything about it, except try and obfuscate it, which never works - we always find it, because the method is standardized.
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[3:05] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: have you any idea what's going on in muriani's case - AFAIK, the pi 2 shouldn't be able to USB backpower, yeah?
[3:05] <[Saint]> (and did they or did the ynot remove the ability to backpower over GPIO 5V header?)
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[3:07] <shiftplusone> [Saint], what's the tldr version?
[3:07] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: his hub is backpowering a pi 2
[3:07] <[Saint]> (apparently)
[3:07] <shiftplusone> <[Saint]> (and did they or did the ynot remove the ability to backpower over GPIO 5V header?)
[3:07] <shiftplusone> nope, they didn't
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[3:08] <[Saint]> aha, good to know.
[3:08] <shiftplusone> as far as USB goes, if the pi is off, it will not power it. However, if the pi is already running, putting 5v on usb and unplugging the power will keep it running.
[3:09] <[Saint]> aha.
[3:09] <[Saint]> also, good to know.
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[3:09] <[Saint]> bug, feature, or "feature"?
[3:10] <ali1234> my A+ is being backpowered right now...
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[3:10] <ali1234> the red light is on, dunno if it's actually booting because i haven't plugged the sdcard in yet
[3:10] <shiftplusone> don't know about the A+, but it wouldn't surprise me if it can be backpowered since all the extra USB stuff is missing.
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[3:11] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I don't know if it fits into any of those categories.... and I don't know the difference between feature and "feature" >.> I suppose it's "feature".
[3:11] <ali1234> i've soldered up the A to A cable and i'm going to flip the bit that makes it in to a USB device
[3:12] <[Saint]> feature implies intentional, "feature" implies unintentional happy accident.
[3:12] <ali1234> hmm
[3:12] <ali1234> interesting. no SD card, pi registers itself on USB
[3:13] <shiftplusone> ali1234, that's how the compute module is flashed.
[3:13] <ali1234> Bus 001 Device 069: ID 0a5c:2763 Broadcom Corp.
[3:13] <ali1234> shiftplusone: yes, i was led to believe it wouldn't work on other hardware :)
[3:13] <ali1234> but apparently it does
[3:13] <shiftplusone> yup
[3:14] <ali1234> so, is there a tool to upload firmware and kernel?
[3:14] <ali1234> (to RAM)
[3:14] <shiftplusone> won't on the b's, but A's doesn't have the stuff that prevents it from working.
[3:14] <shiftplusone> sec...
[3:14] <shiftplusone> starting point... https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/usbboot
[3:14] <SirLagz> [Saint]: hai
[3:14] <ali1234> i wouldn't rule out entirely it working on B
[3:14] <ali1234> sometimes those USB chipsets have a "special" port that passes through if the hardware is not configured
[3:15] <ali1234> heh, it even says it works on the A
[3:15] <shiftplusone> ali1234, there's a place you can put 0ohm resistors, remove the hub and it will work.
[3:15] <ali1234> i don't have any B to test it anyway
[3:16] <shiftplusone> I would be very surprised if the hub has some magic you can do to pass it through straight to the pi's usb port.
[3:16] <shiftplusone> *the soc's usb port
[3:17] <ali1234> often you don't need to do anything, it's the default power on state
[3:17] <SirLagz> ali1234: not on the Pi's hub unfortunately...at least according to the developers of the Pi
[3:17] <SirLagz> ali1234: you could probably look at the doco for the hub to find out
[3:19] <ali1234> so usbbotcode.bin, then an elf kernel with a root filesystem appended?
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[3:20] <ali1234> no, the elf should be the firmware right?
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[3:22] <shiftplusone> might work with bootcode.bin, start.elf and kernel.img (with built-in initramfs, if needed).
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[3:23] <shiftplusone> or maybe usbbootcode.bin is needed because it's used to pull the start.elf over usb rather than the sd card.
[3:23] <ali1234> yes
[3:23] <shiftplusone> and maybe the same applies for buildroot.elf to load the kernel from USB rather than the sd card.
[3:24] <ali1234> and you send it start.elf and the fat partition
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[3:24] <shiftplusone> it has all changes a lot since last I looked at it
[3:25] <ali1234> it looks like booting from usb is a solved problem
[3:25] <shiftplusone> well... not quite.
[3:25] <unix4linux> ugh...had the pi turned off all day and when I go to start it, I now get: "Error in check_disks: could not repair filesystem, dropping to a debug shell"
[3:25] <ali1234> why not?
[3:25] <unix4linux> any reason why this would occur without any changes?
[3:25] <shiftplusone> when you say boot from usb, what most people think is put in a mass storage device and off you go... not 'run special software on your pc to upload the files over usb'
[3:25] <ali1234> i'm not most people
[3:26] <unix4linux> the last change I did today was add the MPEG2 license file but it was working fine and I was able to test. I then turned it off for the rest of the day
[3:26] <shiftplusone> "it looks like booting from usb is a solved problem" seemed like a very general statement, heh.
[3:26] <ali1234> i'm only interested in device mode usb
[3:27] <shiftplusone> have you been able to use it that way from within linux? I don't think the software support for that is there.
[3:27] <ali1234> that's what i am trying to do
[3:28] <shiftplusone> cool
[3:28] <ali1234> the software support is absolutely there
[3:28] <ali1234> there is a file in /proc or /sys which flips between host and device mode
[3:28] <ali1234> and the kernel module also has a #define DEVICE_ONLY_MODE
[3:28] <ali1234> whether it actually works or not i don't know
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[3:28] <ali1234> and the kernel probably doesn't have gadgetfs support
[3:29] <shiftplusone> I haven't seen anyone do anything with it yet, even though a lot of people have tried, so I figured there are some stumbling blocks there.
[3:30] <ali1234> right, got serial terminal
[3:30] <ali1234> [ 7.293987] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): ext4_iget:3921: inode #130930: comm stty: bad extra_isize (16039 != 256)
[3:30] <ali1234> sd card is corrupt :(
[3:31] <ali1234> no kernel panic though, but no login terminal. it's just stopped
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[3:32] <ali1234> i guess i'll just use my other card
[3:33] <ali1234> better...
[3:34] <ali1234> still no terminal though
[3:34] <ali1234> ah there we go
[3:39] <ali1234> hahaha, it crashed systemd
[3:41] <ali1234> ah here we go, bit 30
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[3:45] <ali1234> wow, if this is the actual doc for the same usb core, there's a bit called "corrupttxpkt" "This bit is for debug purposes only. Never Set this bit to 1. The application should always write 0 to this bit."
[3:46] <ali1234> aaaand... it works
[3:46] <ali1234> echo 0x40001700 > gusbcfg - usb 1-4.3: new high-speed USB device number 70 using ehci-pci
[3:47] <ali1234> of course it doesn't enumerate because there's no proper kernel driver support
[3:47] <HtheB> I always wondered if we can show up a picture/gif animation/video file while booting up the Pi
[3:47] <ali1234> and then it crashed :)
[3:47] <HtheB> anyone know if it's possible?
[3:47] <shiftplusone> HtheB, sure, use fbi or omxplayer at the start, kill it when booted.
[3:48] <HtheB> I want to make a Gameboy mod
[3:48] <shiftplusone> I'm oversimplifying, but it's possible.
[3:48] <HtheB> adding that "Nintendo" intro would make it awesome
[3:48] <shiftplusone> heh, good idea.
[3:49] <HtheB> shiftplusone: I looked at a GB mod, but it was too complicated
[3:49] <HtheB> I think I found a much better way
[3:49] <HtheB> so, I just ordered some stuff
[3:49] <HtheB> like http://www.ebay.com/itm/181666140314
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[3:51] <ali1234> maybe it's not a good idea to backpower on USB while trying to flip host/device mode
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[3:53] <shiftplusone> HtheB, cool, I just ordered two pitfts from massdrop myself.
[3:53] <HtheB> pitfts?
[3:53] <HtheB> ah
[3:53] <HtheB> Pi TFS :D
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[3:53] <HtheB> FTS*
[3:53] <HtheB> TFT'S &
[3:53] <HtheB> ugh
[3:54] <HtheB> it's getting late... almost 4:00 already
[3:54] <shiftplusone> yup
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[3:54] <shiftplusone> 3 am here so... I understand >_<
[3:54] <HtheB> hahah
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[3:54] <HtheB> hey one question, maybe you know it
[3:54] <HtheB> how can I use the pi on batteries
[3:54] <shiftplusone> How can I? I'm not psychic D=
[3:55] <HtheB> I've read the tutorial on how the guy mod it
[3:55] <shiftplusone> oh >.>.... throw some batteries on there, add a regulator , wire it to 5v/gnd and you're done.
[3:55] <HtheB> but, I haven't understand that part :(
[3:55] <ali1234> hmm so at this point i actually want the dmesg spammed to the serial console
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[3:56] <ali1234> replugging while it is "crashed" makes it show up as a new device each time. but it never enumerates
[3:56] <shiftplusone> something along these lines http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7V-24V-to-5V-3A-DC-DC-Step-Down-Buck-Converter-Module-to-USB-Output-KIS3R33S-UK-/400865889524?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5d55780cf4
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[3:59] <HtheB> shiftplusone: what does that do?
[3:59] <shiftplusone> takes a voltage between 7 and 24v and gives you 5v out. It's not a good example of what you want, but something like that.
[4:00] <HtheB> and I think I understand what he did
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[4:00] <HtheB> he bought this:
[4:00] <HtheB> http://www.radioshack.com/enercell-female-micro-usb-to-dual-male-micro-usb-cable/2730852.html
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[4:01] <shiftplusone> HtheB, hoe does that help you with batteries?
[4:01] <HtheB> then, he put one in the "USB Battery pack", the other one in the Rpi power socket, and the one where normal USB out is, you could just put in a USB cable to charge it
[4:01] <HtheB> he uses a battery pack that you can recharge it
[4:01] <shiftplusone> oh, that's just cheating. I thought you wanted normal batteries
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[4:01] <HtheB> if this works, why not :D
[4:02] <shiftplusone> yes, of course you can use a battery pack without anything fancy.
[4:02] <HtheB> I also need to remove the "status" led, and resolder it to the "official" led place
[4:02] <HtheB> (extending it)
[4:03] <shiftplusone> Why?
[4:03] <HtheB> Gameboy :)
[4:03] <shiftplusone> (instead of using GPIO)
[4:03] <HtheB> because I'm n00b
[4:03] <shiftplusone> you can move that function to a different pin using device tree and just connect the LED over GPIO.
[4:03] <HtheB> sounds good :D
[4:03] <HtheB> you could help me when I have that screen xD
[4:04] <HtheB> what I also will do is
[4:04] <HtheB> use a USB extender
[4:04] <shiftplusone> what are you doing for the controls?
[4:04] <HtheB> male to female
[4:04] <HtheB> so the "connection port" on the right side, will be a USB port
[4:04] <HtheB> oh and for the controls, i'm cheating again =)
[4:05] <HtheB> I will use a default USB joypad, this one:
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[4:06] <HtheB> http://www.ionaudio.com/images/products/gopad_LG.jpg
[4:06] <shiftplusone> O_o
[4:06] <HtheB> i will put it in the gameboy
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[4:07] <shiftplusone> how big is this 'gameboy'? O_o
[4:07] <ali1234> hmm it really doesn't like being put in device mode... it hangs even if USB isn't plugged in to anything
[4:07] <ali1234> kernel recompile time i guess
[4:07] <HtheB> shiftplusone: just gameboy gameboy
[4:07] <HtheB> official case
[4:08] <shiftplusone> =/
[4:08] <HtheB> (got a spare one that was broken)
[4:08] <shiftplusone> seems like a challenge to fit everything you want in there
[4:08] <HtheB> what wouldn't fit?
[4:08] <shiftplusone> everything at once
[4:08] <ali1234> i would kind of like to build a handheld game thingy, but i want a quad core cpu in model A form factor first
[4:08] <HtheB> https://superpiboy.wordpress.com/
[4:09] <shiftplusone> We've got a pigrrl around the office somewhere, which is pretty cool =D
[4:09] <shiftplusone> https://learn.adafruit.com/pigrrl-raspberry-pi-gameboy/overview
[4:11] <HtheB> hmmm
[4:11] <HtheB> the guy from the link I showed you, uses a 3.5 inch screen
[4:11] <HtheB> should I use something smaller?...
[4:11] <HtheB> I don't know...
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[4:12] * shiftplusone shrugs
[4:13] <HtheB> 2.6 inch!
[4:13] <HtheB> I should go with the original size of the GB :D
[4:13] <ali1234> you should reuse the original gameboy screen
[4:14] <HtheB> lol
[4:14] <ali1234> also wire up the cartridge slot
[4:14] <ali1234> might as well use the button as well too
[4:14] <HtheB> ali1234: then no mod is needed.......................
[4:14] <shiftplusone> bah, the original screen was terrible
[4:14] <Ullarah> No no, have each cartridge as the SD card, and print out tiny little labels.
[4:15] <Ullarah> Each SD card contains a single game :P
[4:15] <kisak> how big are these games? 4MB?
[4:15] <shiftplusone> 4MB!? that sound excessive.
[4:15] <ali1234> if by MB you mean megabit then yes
[4:15] <Ullarah> Yeah, but remember the cost of an original GB game was around $60.
[4:15] <shiftplusone> really? I was expecting them to be in the KB range.
[4:15] <Ullarah> Plus, microSD cards are a lot smaller, so you can lose them easier!
[4:16] <kisak> I must be thinking of GBC carts
[4:16] <ali1234> yeah original gameboy would be like 16kb mostly
[4:16] <shiftplusone> ah, that sounds more like it
[4:16] <ali1234> 16kb rom/16kb ram is all the z80 can handle without bank switching
[4:17] <shiftplusone> maybe way too little even
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[4:17] <ali1234> i'm sure there were larger games though
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[4:17] <ali1234> since you can put whatever crazy circuitry you want in the cart
[4:17] <HtheB> biggest is 8Mbit
[4:17] <unix4linux> any way to recover openelec from a failed boot?
[4:18] <HtheB> but hey, I could also boot games like Doom on that thing :p
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[4:18] <unix4linux> I am getting "Error in check_disks: could not repair filesystem, dropping to a debug shell"
[4:18] <HtheB> shiftplusone: I couldn't find 2.6" screens, only 2.8" :(
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[4:19] <Ullarah> Original Gameboy Cartridge was 32KBytes.
[4:19] <shiftplusone> That I can believe
[4:19] <Ullarah> From here: http://gbdev.gg8.se/wiki/articles/The_Cartridge_Header
[4:20] <Foxhoundz> Hello RPi
[4:20] <Ullarah> I would assume that bringing in colour would have changed that to 64 or even 128
[4:20] <Foxhoundz> Ullarah: I don't think that is correct
[4:20] <Foxhoundz> yes
[4:20] <Foxhoundz> Color would have more
[4:20] <Ullarah> Foxhoundz, feel free to find information that says otherwise.
[4:20] <ali1234> 32kb is the size of the z80 memory space, since it has a 16 bit memory bus
[4:20] <ali1234> this does not preclude cartridges with bank switching
[4:21] <ali1234> i don't know if any exist or not
[4:21] <Ullarah> 4 banks of 8KB
[4:21] <Foxhoundz> Were those the games that had 4 minigames?
[4:21] <ali1234> no, bank switching is invisible to user
[4:21] <shiftplusone> I think the standard C64 cartridges were 8k or 16k which... is fun. Then there are ways to write to them, which allowed all kinds of hackery to get more data out.
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[4:23] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPcV9uIY5i4
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[4:25] <shiftplusone> ah, I saw that recently... very cool.
[4:25] <shiftplusone> Would like to look into how it works exactly but... can't be bothered.
[4:25] <McBride36> how would i make it so a python program runs when i boot up the pi?
[4:26] <ali1234> all that jumping around in the start is to set up a crash which causes the processor to jump to the controller input registers
[4:26] <ali1234> from there, they can write whatever instructions they want
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[4:26] <shiftplusone> McBride36, init script, rc.local, inittab.... a number of ways.
[4:26] <McBride36> what would be the most reliable way?
[4:26] <shiftplusone> init scripts are the 'correct' way, but require a little more work
[4:27] <shiftplusone> rc.local is the quick and dirty way most people use
[4:27] <McBride36> i got nothin' but time at work
[4:27] <McBride36> and it's for work
[4:27] <McBride36> so where can i learn that? just google around?
[4:27] <shiftplusone> there should be some skeleton example... sec.
[4:28] <shiftplusone> /etc/init.d/README
[4:28] <shiftplusone> and /etc/init.d/skeleton
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[4:31] <McBride36> neat, readin' up on it right now
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[4:31] <McBride36> ty
[4:32] <shiftplusone> np
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[4:42] <Criminalised> Morning all
[4:42] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[4:43] <Criminalised> Anyone here use kodi?
[4:43] <Criminalised> Or xbmc?
[4:43] <shiftplusone> Maybe, but people don't tend to answer such questions
[4:43] <Criminalised> Thought so
[4:43] <McBride36> i've used xbmc
[4:44] <Criminalised> Just want to know if it's any better on a dedicated os than it is on windows
[4:44] <shiftplusone> the idea is that you ask the question you want to ask, not a 'has someone...' type of question.
[4:44] <Criminalised> How would you play p2p streams for example?
[4:44] <shiftplusone> oh, so that's not even pi related. Haven't used it on PC myself.
[4:45] <Criminalised> On windows you need sop cast installed separately. Would it be the same for pi
[4:45] <Criminalised> It's pi related now :-P
[4:46] <McBride36> have they gotten plex to run on the pi?
[4:46] <Criminalised> Plex?
[4:46] <shiftplusone> yeah, I think so
[4:47] <McBride36> i think you could probably use plex for that
[4:47] <shiftplusone> The internet is strange =/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT8wEOyW2lk
[4:47] <Xark> Is there any media player app you can just install under Raspbian? I don't want a whole distro...
[4:48] <McBride36> Xark, like all purpose?
[4:48] <shiftplusone> omxplayer works
[4:48] <shiftplusone> or you can install kodi from an external repo
[4:48] <Xark> shiftplusone: Yeah, been fairly happy with that...
[4:48] <Xark> shiftplusone: Any reason not to do that? :)
[4:48] <Xark> (install from external repo)
[4:49] <shiftplusone> nope, those packages will be in the raspberrypi.org repo soon anyway.
[4:49] <Xark> Cool.
[4:49] <Criminalised> Plex is quite decent
[4:49] <Criminalised> Just able to synchronise it is all
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[4:50] <Criminalised> What are the most common uses for a pi?
[4:52] <CoJaBo> Media player and uncommon uses are most common.
[4:53] <Criminalised> Hi Cojabo
[4:53] <Criminalised> Media center, exactly
[4:53] <McBride36> I use them in projects at work
[4:53] <Criminalised> So why hasn't it replaced other iptv boxes
[4:54] <Xark> RPi2 is fast enough to use as a basic Linux "build box" (to test Linux builds of things).
[4:54] <Criminalised> Xark vmware would be cheaper
[4:54] <Criminalised> Virtualbox
[4:54] <Xark> Criminalised: I find it faster and less of PITA than VitualBox. :)
[4:55] <Xark> (It might not really be faster, but visual updates crawl on Virtualbox)
[4:55] <Xark> It also makes a have decent "you tube screen" (poor mans chromecast).
[4:55] <Criminalised> Maybe, but pi has a setup requirement that takes longer than it would on a virtualbox
[4:56] <Xark> Criminalised: Why do you say that? Seems pretty quick to image a SD card...
[4:56] <Xark> (besides, my RPi2 is pretty much always on...)
[4:57] <Criminalised> Well buying it for one and then connecting it to setup a Linux build
[4:57] <Criminalised> That doesn't sell it for most
[4:57] <ali1234> writing SD cards takes forever
[4:57] <Xark> Criminalised: I am not trying to sell it. :)
[4:57] <ali1234> but not as long as cloning kernel git
[4:58] <abnormal> only takes me a few minutes to write a SD card.
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[4:58] <Criminalised> No, I'm trying to justify spending money on it
[4:58] <Criminalised> I can't find too many reasons except as a dedicated media center
[4:59] <Criminalised> Or web server
[4:59] <Criminalised> Both which have better alternatives for less
[4:59] <McBride36> do you program stuff?
[4:59] <Criminalised> No McBride36
[4:59] <McBride36> good way to start then!
[4:59] <McBride36> there's your excuse
[5:00] <ali1234> if you already own a computer, a raspberry pi is pretty poor for programming
[5:00] <Criminalised> True ali
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[5:00] <McBride36> but with gpios and stuff? that's the cool bit
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[5:01] <Criminalised> Gpios?
[5:01] <McBride36> the pins
[5:01] <McBride36> you can hook those up to sensors and whatnot
[5:01] <Criminalised> And...
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[5:01] <McBride36> sense stuff? like have a automatic/controllable climate control system?
[5:02] <Criminalised> Hmm, it's a specialist hobby
[5:02] <Criminalised> I wouldn't have the time
[5:02] <ali1234> the most interesting thing to do with a pi is reverse engineer it
[5:02] <Criminalised> I'm just talking I'm context of the average user
[5:02] <Criminalised> *in
[5:03] <DropBear> lol.. specialist hobby
[5:03] <Criminalised> Yeah on phone
[5:04] <Criminalised> I meant specialist's hobby
[5:04] <ali1234> drink your weak lemon drink now
[5:04] <McBride36> it's a useful hobby
[5:05] <McBride36> it got me a well paying job
[5:05] <Criminalised> As a result?
[5:05] <McBride36> yes
[5:05] <Criminalised> Elaborate please
[5:05] <McBride36> i like to tinker with rpis and arduinos, i now build automated robots and stuff at my company
[5:05] <McBride36> using those and PLCs
[5:06] <Criminalised> But you had electronics engineering background?
[5:06] <McBride36> biology actually
[5:06] <McBride36> it really is just a hobby for me
[5:07] <Criminalised> how'd it all start for you?
[5:07] <Mutantx> Stumbled across an abundance of RP2 today : http://i58.tinypic.com/eqdmcw.jpg
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[5:08] <McBride36> i took a class on arduinos at university
[5:08] <Criminalised> Wow
[5:08] <DropBear> you don't have to have training to be curious, that is a good way to learn.
[5:08] <Criminalised> That's a good deal
[5:08] <Criminalised> Shame I'm in the UK
[5:08] <McBride36> DropBear hit it right on the nose
[5:08] <Criminalised> I understand that
[5:08] <Criminalised> It was the robotics that I was asking about
[5:09] <Criminalised> Not everyone can buy a pi and enter robot wars
[5:09] <McBride36> not at all, and i certianly am not there yet
[5:09] <McBride36> but you start small
[5:09] <McBride36> and work your way up
[5:09] <McBride36> get an LED blinking
[5:09] <McBride36> and so on
[5:10] <Criminalised> That's why I mentioned electronics
[5:10] <Criminalised> It's closely linked
[5:10] <Criminalised> Don't know much about arduinos but definitely sounds interesting
[5:12] <Criminalised> The crux of this discussion was whether it's worth buying
[5:12] <McBride36> have you ever used a linux distro before?
[5:13] <Criminalised> Unless you have time to learn it's an average media center
[5:13] <McBride36> also if you're curious about basic electronics, here's a super helpful book http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=7BA26E03DDEE4B4FD8794D8176F71967
[5:13] <Criminalised> Just Ubuntu
[5:13] <DropBear> whatever
[5:13] <DropBear> I'm using mine for homebuilt synths
[5:14] <DropBear> as a controller for
[5:14] <Criminalised> DropBear, back to that idea of specialist's arena
[5:15] <Criminalised> What can the average guy use it for that doesn't require much skill, and that they can't do on their pc already?
[5:15] <ali1234> nothing
[5:16] <McBride36> it's a small computer with gpio pins, if you want the pins, get it
[5:16] <McBride36> if not, don't
[5:16] <Criminalised> Cheers McBride36
[5:16] <Criminalised> It's that simple unfortunately
[5:16] <McBride36> life usually is simple
[5:17] <Criminalised> You must be living in the playboy mansion
[5:18] <Criminalised> Or you're probably not doing it right :-P
[5:19] <Criminalised> Thanks for the book
[5:19] <DropBear> welp, every hobby is a "specialist's arena" then, requiring to learn something
[5:19] <DropBear> have fun
[5:19] <ali1234> hmm... if you enable DWC_DEVICE_ONLY the driver doesn't even build
[5:21] <Criminalised> DropBear, you couldn't be more wrong I'm afraid
[5:21] <Criminalised> Every hobby isn't
[5:21] <McBride36> sleeping
[5:21] <Criminalised> Exactly
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[5:22] <Criminalised> Arguing for the sake of arguing....
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[5:24] <Xark> "Oh no, that's next door. It's is being-hit-on-the-head lessons in here"
[5:25] <Criminalised> Good style of writing in that book McBride36
[5:25] <Criminalised> Makes a seemingly boring topic quite fun
[5:26] <McBride36> i recommend it to everyone who is starting out
[5:26] * Xark recommends http://www.afrotechmods.com/tutorials/ for "fun" electronics intro videos. :)
[5:27] <McBride36> oh snap are they all captioned?
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[5:28] <Criminalised> Good finds
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[5:28] <Criminalised> Been fruitful being here for the last hour than being in #politics for the past week
[5:29] <Criminalised> *more
[5:30] * Xark has never tried to enable captions...
[5:30] <McBride36> i'm deaf
[5:30] <McBride36> pretty much need them
[5:30] <Criminalised> Missing words now, it was grammatical errors earlier as DropBear grammar nazi pointed out
[5:30] <Xark> McBride36: A few spot checks make it seem promising.
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[5:30] <Criminalised> Gtg guys
[5:30] <Criminalised> Bedtime
[5:31] <McBride36> yeah...looks like i'm not getting sleep tonight
[5:31] <McBride36> night
[5:31] <DropBear> not what I was pointing out
[5:31] <Criminalised> Lol
[5:31] <Criminalised> K
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[5:32] <Anorion> wtf
[5:32] <Criminalised> Leave it at that. There's always one, isn't there.
[5:32] <Criminalised> Night folks
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[5:32] <DropBear> egads
[5:32] <Anorion> I just realized the only spare USB keyboard I have is an old Apple G3 board
[5:32] <McBride36> lol that was frustrating
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[5:33] <DropBear> it was calling it a specialist hobby to begin with.. oh well
[5:33] <DropBear> next!
[5:36] <McBride36> i should get another rpi and put it in my bartending bot
[5:36] <McBride36> make a web interface
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[5:38] <DropBear> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBF7EE2xnN4 bartender bot on a cruise ship
[5:39] <McBride36> just a touch out of my budget
[5:39] <DropBear> :)
[5:39] <McBride36> those robot arms are between 10-25k each
[5:41] <McBride36> one i'm making is using gravity and solenoid valves
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[5:43] <DropBear> oh nice. Like that idea.
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[5:56] <McBride36> well night all
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[9:10] <kevireilly_> oddly while mostly responding to pings
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[9:12] <kevireilly_> whenever I attempt to evaluate it with a monitor connected, it seems like it works reliably but without a monitor connected is when it seems like it doesn’t work at all
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[10:34] <__raven> hi
[10:37] <__raven> trying to setup a wireless ap using a b, raspbian wheezy and a "0586:340f ZyXEL Communications Corp. G-220 v2 802.11bg". i am not able to get hostapd to work using any posted solution. no driver is working with it "invalid/unknown driver 'nl80211'" i also tried several other drivers associated with the zyxel but no success. any ideas how to solve that issue?
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[10:46] <avtobiff> how do i upgrade the kernel? i use raspbian and installed with apt and got "disagrees about version symbol module_table". then tried copying the new kernel to /boot/kernel.img and changing /boot/config.txt to use the new ramdisk. now it doesn't boot.
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[11:00] <g994> avtobiff Do you use the Raspian from the raspberry pi website?
[11:02] <g994> In that case you can execure "rpi-update" to update your kernel modules (of course you have to run that as root, so either sudo -i before updating the kernel or use "sudo rpi-uprate")
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[11:02] <g994> oh typo, "sudo rpi-update"
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[11:53] <kevireilly_> __raven: I’ve gotten it to work with a realtek based device, but not sure about others.. and i think i used a modified hostapd from adafruit
[11:53] <__raven> kevireilly_: yes i found a realtek based too and with that it sends beacons
[11:54] <__raven> but every connection attempt is aborted immediately now
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[11:54] <__raven> tested it with unencrypted too, logs do not show anything useful and powerproblems cannot be an issue any more
[11:54] <__raven> ideas?
[11:55] <kevireilly_> __raven: checked /var/log/syslog for any clues?
[11:55] <__raven> yes on both systems
[11:56] <__raven> nothing on the pi while trying to connect and on the client i just see useless stuff
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[12:15] <ksk> Hey guys. havent used my PI for a while and now I dont get any signal, just the red light is shining. I tried another powersupply. Is it broke? or are there other reasons for redlight? thanks!
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[12:17] <__raven> ksk: sdcard formatted and inserted correct?
[12:17] <engblom> Sometimes SD-cards dies without any good reason
[12:18] <kevireilly_> __raven: do you have a dhcp server configured as well?
[12:18] <__raven> no bridge only following this http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-WiFi-Access-Point-out-of-a-Raspberry/
[12:19] <__raven> but it does not connect at all so the dhcp would not affect it
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[12:20] <kevireilly_> ah gotcha. I’m not sure my setup involved a bridge
[12:21] <kevireilly_> __raven: this is the one I followed https://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-wifi-access-point
[12:22] <__raven> that should not be the issue. i click on connect on the clients and miliseconds after that it disconnects
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[12:23] <kevireilly_> and actually I used it to setup a captive portal for configuring the device’s wireless, so I didn’t actually try sharing from ethernet
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[12:25] <kevireilly_> yeah hmm this guide does include a specific version of hostapd
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[12:26] <__raven> i have installed
[12:27] <__raven> tried original and adafruit patched hostapd
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[12:27] <kevireilly_> gotcha
[12:27] <__raven> hm?
[12:28] <kevireilly_> i meant like “understood”
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[12:30] <__raven> what the hell is going on there
[12:30] <__raven> and why dont the logs show anything useful
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[12:32] <kevireilly_> __raven: when you do service hostapd restart, nothing bad happens right?
[12:32] <kevireilly_> maybe also /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:32] <__raven> right
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[12:33] <__raven> but wait
[12:33] <__raven> now something moves in raspi log while connection attempt
[12:34] <kevireilly_> ah nice
[12:34] <kevireilly_> brb
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[12:35] <__raven> OH
[12:35] <__raven> and client gives me "authentication problem" now
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[12:36] <__raven> kevinsan: http://pastebin.com/Wb4Q64KV
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[12:42] <__raven> wtf o.O suddenly unencrypted works well?!
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[12:49] <__raven> it works
[12:50] <__raven> no idea what ive done but it works now ^^
[12:51] <jaymaker> Hey guys
[12:51] <jaymaker> Figures... I get the B+ in the mail, and a week later the Pi 2 comes out XD
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[12:54] <Hix> whoop 500mm camera ribbon cables arrived. Much easier to deal with than the std short cable
[12:56] <ShorTie> might want to wrap them in foil otherwize it becomes a series of long antenea's i believe
[12:58] <Hix> really?
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[13:00] <waveform> Hix, longer camera ribbon cables do tend to give off a fair amount of interference
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[13:01] <Hix> oh, arse! Well, have to see how it goes
[13:03] <waveform> well, depends if there's anything that's going to be interfered with nearby. I tested a 1m (!) camera extension cable at one point and didn't notice any disastrous side effects (lack of wifi etc)
[13:04] <Hix> :)
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[13:04] <SpeedEvil> Hix: as a starting point, if you want to ground, put a layer of duct tape around the cable - to space the foil, a length of uninsulated wire along the cable, grounded at the Pi end. And a wrap of foil over the cable, again secured with tape.
[13:05] <waveform> there was some concern on the forums when people started experimenting with longer cables, that the interference would trash the data flowing over the CSI-2 interface, but it turned out to be the opposite - it just radiates like the dickens instead
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> (that is itf it turns out you are suffering noise issues)
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> - this is not ideal if the cable is going to be moved a lot, but for static - it's fine
[13:06] <waveform> here's a post from someone testing a 4m extension: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=362714#p362714
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[13:07] <waveform> ah, and there's Gordon's post about the EMC: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=371495#p371495
[13:08] <Hix> on my desk I just cvhecked it with RaspiCamRemote (android) and the image seems pretty good. Seems to be ok. Off to lunch now then
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[13:13] <SyncYourDogmas> hey guys, if I wanted to run more powerful devices from usb, could I run a powered USB hub from one of the USB ports?
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[13:15] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> SyncYourDogmas: Or altenatively - kill the pi, and it will come back more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
[13:16] <SyncYourDogmas> this a Type A as well
[13:16] <SyncYourDogmas> only usb2
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Powered hubs work just fine
[13:17] <SyncYourDogmas> cool, was thinking of wireless NIC
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[13:27] <SyncYourDogmas> slighty harder question, has anyone managed to aatach a desktop PCI NIC to a pi?
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[13:29] <cehteh> slightly harder :D
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[13:29] <SyncYourDogmas> heh
[13:30] <cehteh> to my knowledge there is no PCI on the pi
[13:31] <SyncYourDogmas> no, its gonna have to be a sinlge or multple USB to PCI
[13:31] <SyncYourDogmas> it is technically possible
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[13:35] <cehteh> why would you want to do that anyway?
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[13:35] <SyncYourDogmas> oldhardware lying around, and to see if I can
[13:37] <SyncYourDogmas> everyother channel has called used a range of adhomins on me
[13:37] <SyncYourDogmas> but I dont see why not
[13:37] <SyncYourDogmas> I know its gonna be shit
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[13:37] <SyncYourDogmas> but for signalling purposes should be fine
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[14:15] <ksk> __raven: yeah, it should be. but not having a valid system image on sdcard will result in the redlight, too?
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[14:26] <Tenkawa> greetings all
[14:29] <__raven> ksk: it can
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[14:29] <__raven> the red light just indicates power on the board but not the system being started
[14:30] <__raven> so try to check your sdcard or all contacts on the board
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[14:43] <Hix> sodding serial link has gone down again. I'm now having to use phone aas hotspot and use terminal emulator on phone to ssh into pi to sudo halt. Annoying to say the least
[14:43] <Hix> can't do raspi-config on phone as cannot move up/down menu
[14:44] <Payo> is the phone android ?
[14:44] <Payo> juicessh has up/down arrows
[14:44] <Hix> Whats' the point in being at work if I can't get my own pi stuff working ;p
[14:44] <shiftplusone> connectbot works just fine as well
[14:44] <Hix> oh, cool Payo thcx
[14:44] <Hix> or thx
[14:45] <pksato> oh vida... alguma entidade começou a apagar os arquivos de maquinas windows. :P
[14:45] <waveform> yup, juice rocks (enough that I shelled out for the paid version - its mosh capability is very nice too)
[14:46] <IT_Sean> pksato: english, please? Thanks.
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[14:46] <pksato> oh... sorry. wrong channel.
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[14:49] <Hix> juicessh is much nicer than terminal emulator whoop. thanks. Though it appears serial wasn't disabled, cable must be iffy
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[15:02] <luxpir> random interruption: have just set up ssh to new pi2 using old keys (needed to comment out old .ssh/known_hosts to get it working) from VM and phone (n900)
[15:03] <luxpir> the phone is creaking (finally broke microusb port after 5 years, and after re-soldering once) so I'm in the market for a new phone. concerned that nothing quite matches the n900 for linuxy openness
[15:03] <luxpir> the ubuntu phone looks interesting, as does the neo900. jolla/sailfish maybe... I just want a terminal and access to a decent set of repos.
[15:04] <luxpir> nothing android/walled garden, nor do I trust the cyanogen or replicant mods. although I probably should if I'm going to trust ubuntu. <endbraindump>
[15:05] <luxpir> any thoughts from the pi-folks?
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[15:07] <ksk> __raven: just found out that my openelec-image had the wrong checksum, guess thats the mistake. going to try it again this evening. thanks for your help!
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[15:22] <BobFrankly> that moment, when you're excited your raspberry pi 2 came early, and you check amazon to find out that the power and SD card are still a week out :/
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[15:25] <luxpir> BobFrankly: just had that this week :) all set up now, though.
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[15:27] <BobFrankly> I seem to be seeing mixed experiences, is the retropie image functional on the rpi2, or is there extra steps?
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[15:35] <didzan> Hello all, I'm trying to upgrade repos from raspbian wheezy to jessie. How long the upgrade can take??
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[15:37] <muriani> BobFrankly: there's all sorts of bits you can tweak, but the image should be functional
[15:37] <muriani> I didn't use the image myself, I installed raspbian and used the retropie-setup script
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[15:37] <didzan> Hello all, I'm trying to upgrade repos from raspbian wheezy to jessie. How long the upgrade can take??
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[15:42] <didzan> Hola, estoy tratando de actualizar los repos de Raspbian Wheezy a Jessie. Cuanto tiempo puede eso tomar?
[15:42] <didzan> Hello all, I'm trying to upgrade repos from raspbian wheezy to jessie. How long the upgrade can take??
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[15:42] <muriani> A while?
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[15:43] <muriani> depends on your network speed, the repo mirror you've selected, how many packages need to be updated
[15:43] <didzan> mm how many hours, more than 2 ??
[15:43] <didzan> muriani
[15:43] <muriani> don' tknow
[15:44] <muriani> haven't done an update myself
[15:44] <didzan> ok thanks
[15:44] <muriani> I'd assume you have a monitor on the pi so you can see what it's doing?
[15:44] <pksato> if have a broadband connection, not take a long time.
[15:44] <pksato> but, show progress.
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[15:45] <Istalantar> hey there, i am trying to run a google print server on my raspberry. the guide i am using says i need to run the command '/opt/google/chrome/chrome/ ...' to start the print connector, but i am using not chrome but chromium, what command do i need to use here?
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[15:56] <charlie_sanders> Istalantar, type 'which chromium' , that will give you the location of the executable
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[16:02] <stevenjames> supdoodz
[16:03] <Istalantar> charlie_sanders: ok thx, i am trying
[16:03] <charlie_sanders> sup!
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[16:04] <stevenjames> enjoying the day off
[16:05] <charlie_sanders> ahh me too - gonna play a some video games, play with a couple raspberry projects, and cooks some fajitas for lunch :)
[16:06] <stevenjames> i saw a guy in here turning his pi into an infrared sleep monitor, i
[16:06] <stevenjames> 'm trying to think of what other possibilities
[16:06] <charlie_sanders> hmm whats that
[16:06] <stevenjames> are possible
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[16:07] <stevenjames> i forget his name but i guess was to determine sleep patterns based on body movements while asleep idk
[16:07] <peterNovice> Is the quickstart guide "wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi/" valid for raspberry pi 2 if you switch armv6j to armv7a?
[16:07] <charlie_sanders> oh thats cool
[16:07] <stevenjames> i'm wondering what i can do with those GPIO pins...
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[16:08] <charlie_sanders> stevenjames, http://www.adafruit.com/category/35 - pick one :)
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[16:09] <stevenjames> charlie_sanders damn dude thanks!!
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[16:10] <charlie_sanders> np! I think I'm going to build a car counter - so much traffic outside my house lately
[16:11] <stevenjames> i was wondering if i could use whistler/cobra radar and fuse it with google maps so not only tells you there's an X/K/Ka band, but WHERE it is
[16:12] <ring0> <3 adxl34
[16:12] <ring0> 5
[16:12] <stevenjames> ?
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[16:13] <ring0> game controllers with adxl345 are fun :)
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[16:14] <stevenjames> peterNovice if arm architecture i heard kali is nice. i use it on my laptop but haven't tried with the pi
[16:14] <Istalantar> charlie_sanders: doesn't work, the location /opt/google/chrome/chrome is probably something chromium doesn't have
[16:14] <peterNovice> stevenjames: I followed that guide on a borrowed rpiB and it worked, but I have a rpi2 and it is not booting up
[16:16] <kisak> I wish I knew why the Twitch.tv add-on in kodi can't sustain a 2.5 Mbps stream on the Pi2
[16:16] <stevenjames> my rpi2 is a model B
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[16:18] <thescatman_> Hi guys, I was wondering, to get non-horrible audi output from the Pi (pi b) could I use this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB2-0-External-Quality-Channel-Adapter/dp/B003ZM0XIY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1426085559&sr=1-1&keywords=usb+sound+card
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[16:18] <muriani> thescatman_: probably
[16:18] <thescatman_> It's a cheap nasty usb 'sound card' if it's even that
[16:19] <muriani> should just come up as a usb audio class device
[16:19] <Bilby> it might be marginally better than the onboard one lol
[16:19] <muriani> alsa's likelt got all the stuff for it
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[16:19] <Bilby> thescatman_ have you tried onboard yet?
[16:19] <muriani> your noise floor won't be that great, but should be better than onboard
[16:19] <thescatman_> heh, as long as it doesn't crackle and make horrible sounds then that'd be alright
[16:20] <thescatman_> Actually technically I haven't tried onboard with my Pi 1 B for over a year (it's been sitting doing nothing). I was planning on doing this http://www.rpimusicplayer.com/
[16:20] <thescatman_> I just know that the analog 3.5mm jack on my pi 2 is nasty
[16:20] <thescatman_> use HDMI to TV instead)
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[16:22] <thescatman_> since otherwise I can't find a single thing I could use my pi b for.
[16:22] <Hix> apparently the chromium browser from apt-get install chromium as pretty well out of date. What browser recommendations do you guys have?
[16:23] <kisak> thescatman_: that sounds like the composite output is active on the 1/8" plug, which would give you a lot of noize
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[16:24] <muriani> hm
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[16:24] <muriani> I actually didnt' think about that
[16:25] <charlie_sanders> Istalantar, no it wont exist for chromium, if this is a bash shell you can just replace that line with `which chromium`
[16:25] <muriani> that would explain the huge amount of noise I had over headphones
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[16:27] <Istalantar> charlie_sanders: okay, i will try something else then, but thanks anyway
[16:27] <charlie_sanders> Istalantar, the `` means "execute the output of the command" , so `which chromium` in a regular shell will open chromium
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[16:28] <Bilby> the 4C jack on the Pi should be arranged such that plugging in a regular headphone jack doesn't cause cross-channel talk
[16:28] <muriani> I'd have thought so
[16:29] <muriani> but there's a crazy high noise floor
[16:29] <muriani> not just crackling
[16:29] <muriani> plug headphones in and I'm inundated with huge amounts of noise
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[16:30] <Bilby> hm... possibly a tolerence issue
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[16:31] <thescatman_> 4C jack?
[16:31] <muriani> four conductor
[16:31] <kisak> TRRS jack
[16:31] <muriani> speakers/headpones are typically TRS, 3 conductors
[16:33] <Bilby> The 4C typical layout for sound + video has TRRS being Left, Right, Video, Ground
[16:33] <Bilby> and there should be proper spacing to alow the ground connection, but maybe not
[16:33] <kisak> the layout of the connector just makes it electonically safe to plug in a 1/8" stereo wire, not give a clean signal if video is running
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[16:34] <kisak> the raspberry pi uses the same TRRS layout as an ipod video
[16:35] <kisak> LEFT / RIGHT / GROUND / VIDEO
[16:35] <Bilby> that's right
[16:35] <thescatman_> sorry, trrs is the 3.5mm audi jack right
[16:35] <Bilby> so if you're using a standard headphone jack it will just hit l/r/g
[16:35] <Bilby> thescatman_ yes, it comes in a 3.5mm / 1/8" format
[16:35] <muriani> in this case, yes
[16:35] <thescatman_> Ah I understand what you're saying now
[16:35] <Bilby> there's also a 4.5mm / 1/4" format
[16:36] <Bilby> but it's less common these days
[16:36] <muriani> it really just means tip/ring/ring/side
[16:36] <muriani> or sleeve
[16:36] <thescatman_> but that's the bigger headphone cables right Bilby
[16:36] <Bilby> or shield
[16:36] <Bilby> right
[16:36] <muriani> there's 2.5mm too, like old cellphone headsets
[16:37] <kisak> Bilby: if you're using TRS, typically both the second ring and sleeve get grounded together
[16:37] <muriani> trrs is just a way of describing the connections on the plug
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[16:37] <Bilby> or there's no second ring
[16:37] <kisak> but that also means you'll get noize on the shared ground that left and right uses
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[16:38] <muriani> being that it's ground though, it shouldn't matter in that case no?
[16:38] <Bilby> hm. I wonder if there's supposed to be a ground-detect on the Video ring so it turns off if a standard headphone plug is inserted
[16:38] <muriani> it's on the other side of the signal path
[16:38] <Bilby> it still may cause spurious noise
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[16:38] <muriani> yeah
[16:38] <kisak> Bilby: from my understanding, there is no detection on the pi
[16:38] <Bilby> and if it's biased higher than the audio it can back-feed
[16:38] <Bilby> maybe that's the problem
[16:38] <muriani> aaaah
[16:39] <muriani> that explains why it seems to go away when there's real audio
[16:39] <Bilby> that's a really stupid design flaw, if so
[16:39] <kisak> at least it's documented
[16:39] <muriani> indeed
[16:39] <Bilby> You can either remove the video out physically or put an adapter cord on it
[16:39] <kisak> and there are ways to turn off composite on boot
[16:39] <Bilby> buy a 4C plug and a 3C jack and make one or i'm sure someone sells one
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[16:44] <kisak> maybe '/opt/vc/bin/tvservice -o' from http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/15907/is-it-possible-to-switch-composite-video-on-and-off-at-will may be helpful for troubleshooting?
[16:45] <muriani> yeah I'll look into that later
[16:45] <thescatman_> is this for me? you guys are saying terrible sound may be due to the video portion of the 3.5mm jack on the pi?
[16:45] <muriani> left the pi at home today
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[16:45] <muriani> for you and me and others, yes
[16:46] <thescatman_> ah ok. thanks then
[16:46] <thescatman_> saved
[16:46] <kisak> thescatman_: that's what my gut says
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[16:46] <kisak> the idea being that the noize floor is not the issue here, but an active signal getting on the ground wire
[16:47] <muriani> right
[16:48] <muriani> granted, the overall sound quality still isn't that creat
[16:48] <muriani> *great
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[16:48] <muriani> but at least it'd be serviceable on a basic level
[16:50] <BobFrankly> anyone running retropie on a standard def CRT?
[16:50] <BobFrankly> curiousity
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[16:51] <Bilby> Not that i've seen but you definitely could
[16:51] <kisak> with my pi B+, I noticed a different volume profile between the 3.5mm jack and pulling audio off the hdmi feed, I'm thinking it was the composite channel deadening the audio a bit, but the volume was still fine overall
[16:52] <Bilby> picture quality would be fine from the composite, or if you have the jacks you could use an HDMI -> component adapter
[16:52] <kisak> ^ that was without a composite signal
[16:52] <muriani> BobFrankly: I've thought about it, but my CRTs have the old consoles already on them :P
[16:53] <muriani> and I doubt the emulator's ability to output proper scanrates for the systems it's emulating... I'd just get scaled 480i.
[16:53] <Bilby> kisak the DA conversion probably isn't entirely linear, and your HDMI slave may be applying some EQ to it anyway
[16:53] <BobFrankly> muriani: I custom built an arcade controller, and I want to use that regardless of the system, but it's tied through a USB interface
[16:54] <muriani> nice
[16:54] <muriani> well I'm sure it'd *work* on a CRT
[16:54] <muriani> just might not look the best
[16:54] <BobFrankly> well there's always the endless tweaking :D
[16:54] <muriani> I use the crt-caligari shader on my flatpanel tv/monitors and it looks nice
[16:55] <muriani> not included in retropie, sadly
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[16:56] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[16:56] <Sonny_Jim> Emulators for systems that ran on CRTs won't look good on a CRT?
[16:57] <Sonny_Jim> Jog on
[16:57] <muriani> Sonny_Jim: yeah. Not as intended, anyway.
[16:57] <muriani> The only one I've found that works well are the emulators on the Wii, those will output original scan video over composite/svideo at least
[17:00] <muriani> it was a huge beef I had with using the xbox as an emulation system. Stuff just didn't look right.
[17:00] <BobFrankly> thats why you have to be a responsible drinker when you emulate
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[17:00] <muriani> PCs in general as well.
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[17:02] <BobFrankly> I've found the BudLight-CRT Shader looks pretty good, but the GlenFiddich-12Y-FlatPanel seems to be the tops in my opinion
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[17:03] <Bilby> Yeah but the GlenFiddich panel is so expensive
[17:03] <Bilby> I prefer the Jameson-plasma. Less expensive but it's almost as good
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[17:05] <BobFrankly> my Jameson-Plasma blew out like so many others, I've much preferred the GF-12Y since ;)
[17:05] <Hix> if I have a python script set to run at startup in /etc/rc.local will that show up in top if it is a background (&) job?
[17:05] <muriani> btw BobFrankly, there's a #retropie channel as well
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[17:06] <muriani> Not quite as active as this, but a little more focused on that
[17:06] <BobFrankly> makes sense
[17:06] <Bilby> BobFrankly the best thing about GlenFiddich, you keep getting older but it stays the same age
[17:07] <BobFrankly> well played sir, well played
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[17:10] <Bilby> all this talk of whiskey, i'm going to be making a call to my supplier...
[17:12] <muriani> I might have some when I get home
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[17:12] <muriani> unfortunately the workday isn't even half over.
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[17:13] <Bilby> blarg
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[17:13] <Bilby> muriani it's worse for me, my liquor cabinet is just a floor below me. Some days lunchtime sounds like a good time to start drinking :(
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[17:14] <muriani> Bilby: it is!
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[17:15] <muriani> hell if I work from home some days, I break out a beer at least
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[17:15] <muriani> wow that's a mess of timeouts
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[17:16] <McBride36> drinking while programming is best
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[17:17] <BobFrankly> helps break the brain out of the while($true)
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[17:19] <IT_Sean> While 'drunk' = true, compliebutton.enabled = false
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[17:25] <kisak> good systems let you compile drunk, but not commit changes
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[17:26] <BobFrankly> they do make USB breathalyzers dont they?
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[17:33] <heller\> how can i use level shifter with raspberry pi?
[17:33] <McBride36> that'd be a good arduino project BobFrankly
[17:33] <heller\> to use 5V sensor with raspberry pi?
[17:33] <McBride36> i made one that detected methane
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[17:34] <He4dShOt> hey guys
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[17:34] <He4dShOt> I'm trying to make a minimal system with raspbian-ua-netinst
[17:34] <He4dShOt> but my old pi is not booting
[17:35] <He4dShOt> the one with 256 MB
[17:35] <He4dShOt> I tried the same SD in the one with 512 and it's working
[17:35] <He4dShOt> any idea?
[17:37] <steve_rox> firmware issue?
[17:37] <steve_rox> oc profile?
[17:37] <steve_rox> memory share settings
[17:37] <steve_rox> etc
[17:38] <He4dShOt> what?
[17:38] <steve_rox> indeed
[17:38] <He4dShOt> I'm talking about this
[17:38] <He4dShOt> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[18:08] <ali1234> so... this dwc_otg driver is pretty bad
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[18:08] <ali1234> it has code to support device mode, but it doesn't work
[18:09] <ali1234> it has #defines to enable verbose debugging, but they don't work
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[18:09] <ali1234> and if you pull the otg pin high on the compute module (how you signal otg device mode)... it hangs the kernel
[18:09] <ali1234> basically... it doesn't work
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[18:11] <ali1234> today i found out why it hangs the kernel at least
[18:11] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10581070/
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[18:12] <ali1234> it has an interrupt that fires if the hardware changes mode from host to device... that interrupt is unhandled, so it fires forever
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[18:23] <sonium> is there any documentation on the peripheral address space of bcm2709 available?
[18:25] <shiftplusone> sonium: same as before, just a different base address.
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[18:29] <sonium> shiftplusone, do you know where the peripheral bus base address 0x7Ennnnnn went?
[18:31] <avtobiff> g994, i use the recommended raspbian netinst installation
[18:32] <avtobiff> g994, raspbian-ua-netinst
[18:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> Note: peripheral base in 0x3F000000 which makes the GPIO base 0x3F200000.
[18:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> Note: peripheral base in 0x20000000 which makes the GPIO base 0x20200000.
[18:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh hometime
[18:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> well pub time
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[18:34] <sonium> RaTTuS|BIG, it's the physical address range you are talking about
[18:35] <sonium> I need the bus address range
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[18:52] <sonium> 'The base address of this SPI0 interface is 0x7E204000' <- where does this go in RPi2
[18:52] <sonium> and where do you get this information about the new base addresses from?
[18:52] <sonium> Are these rumours?
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[18:53] <sonium> ok, seems like the bus addresses are unchanged
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[19:02] <jamesaxl> hello
[19:02] <jamesaxl> correct me please, does ADC IC has a reference ?
[19:03] <kisak> hmm ... the network problem I'm having with twitch streams is not universal
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[19:05] <kisak> if I use the NBC Sports Live Extra kodi add-on to watch Golf gives me a stable 1920x1080@30 stream with 3.5-4.6 Mbps
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[19:06] <kisak> so why does twitch have a hard time?
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[19:07] <zirpu> they're twitchy?
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[19:13] <Bilby> Ah Dave, you so crazy
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[19:20] <shiftplusone> sonium, bus addresses have definitely changed.
[19:21] <sonium> but I was told not the 0x7Exxxxxx ones
[19:22] <shiftplusone> hmm
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[19:27] <shiftplusone> Looks like you're right... I guess it's mapped to the correct place https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/246530ff8a4f302b8666c6d9cf509407d8c1257a/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2709.dtsi
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[19:29] <shiftplusone> I guess it only matters if you're using DMA then =/
[19:29] <shiftplusone> or the VPU
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[19:34] <sonium> ah, this is the device tree. I was looking for it
[19:38] <sonium> A question regarding kernel compilation: is Makefile in subdirectories generated automatically based on .config ?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> does anyone know how to get rid of the silly color box thats flashing on my tty's
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[19:39] <shadeslayer> I've used the boot partition from raspbian and then a ubuntu rootfs
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[19:52] <shiftplusone> sonium, no, I think the makefiles are already there, not generated.
[19:52] <shiftplusone> look up the kconfig documentation
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[19:55] <shiftplusone> sonium, this article looks detailed and accurate http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6568
[19:56] <sonium> thx
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[19:57] <sonium> I have to admit that the RPi is quite educational. Like in the good old times when your hardware with linux never worked out of the box ;)
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[19:58] <shiftplusone> Hmm... I haven't come across much stuff not working out of the box.
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[19:59] <ali1234> pretty much everything i have tried to use so far hasn't worked
[19:59] <sonium> 10 yeas back, DVR-card, Wifi, external soundcard
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[20:00] <shiftplusone> ali1234, as you've said, you're not the average user.
[20:00] <ali1234> 1 bit textures, vsync, usb...
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[20:01] <ali1234> did you know that the altera arria-v uses the same USB core?
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[20:01] <muriani> so I hooked up the pi2 to the TV last night over hdmi to check out retropie in all its glory
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[20:02] <muriani> and I ended up with the color square in the top right corner of the screen
[20:02] <muriani> everything worked
[20:02] <shiftplusone> muriani, bad power supply and/or cable.
[20:02] <muriani> there's just this little 4-color square up there in the corner hanging out
[20:02] <shiftplusone> ali1234, never heard of it. I only know that the C1 uses the same USB core... no idea about other things.
[20:03] <ali1234> what's a C1?
[20:03] <muriani> power wasn't an issue. The system worked fine
[20:03] <shiftplusone> ali1234, odroid c1. Hardkernel's competitor.
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[20:03] <ali1234> oh yeah. they are not a chipset manufacturer though
[20:03] <shiftplusone> muriani, power is the issue, there's no doubt about it.
[20:03] <muriani> hm
[20:03] <NinjaCowboy> Has anyone ever succeeded in running Wine in Qemu user-mode on a Raspberry Pi?
[20:04] <ali1234> altera makes their own SoC and it has the same USB core, and they have documentation on their website
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[20:07] <ali1234> dwc_otg is only in the pi kernel right? it's not in mainline? (i'd be extremely surprised if it could get accepted ithe state it is in)
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[20:10] <ali1234> i might just start filing bugs against it to see what happens
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[20:29] <sonium> I thought I buy this touchscreen because it is simple, but boy was I wrong...
[20:29] <shiftplusone> heh, which one?
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[20:29] <sonium> 4dpi-32, goes over SPI
[20:30] <sonium> but it seems to me like that there is no really good touchscreen solution
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[20:31] <shiftplusone> Yeah, looks like they took the 'make it work, tar the changed files and be done with it' approach. Entirely breaking any future kernel that tries to use it.
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[20:32] <shiftplusone> I would email them and ask how to use it with the foundation kernel in hopes that they fix it and use DT.
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[20:33] <ali1234> you still need a driver for it
[20:33] <shiftplusone> or just get one of the boards notro supports, since he has been pushing all his changes into our kernel directly.
[20:34] <shiftplusone> ali1234, yes, they provide one, but... not in a way that's usable.
[20:34] <ali1234> not included in default kernel?
[20:35] <sonium> if I had known about the notro displays I would have gotten one of them. But then I kinda trusted spark fun not to sell such crap
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[20:35] <ali1234> you should be able to write a user space driver for it
[20:36] <shiftplusone> yeah, they wrote one, changed the dma driver and platform file then tar'ed the difference. So if you extract it over the latest source, you'll overwrite files which would've changed substantially.
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[20:36] <ali1234> :(
[20:36] <shiftplusone> It would be trivial to 'fix' but... I'm not doing it, heh.
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[20:37] <shiftplusone> sonium, seriously, just email them and ask for pi 2 support. They might do it.
[20:38] <sonium> I was planning on getting some other SPI peripheral, will this be a problem to drive in parallel with the SPI display?
[20:38] <sonium> I know that SPI has a chip-select function
[20:38] <sonium> but how complicated is this in practice
[20:39] <ali1234> you can ignore chip select if you only have one thing connected, just tie it
[20:39] <ali1234> SPI is just a shift register
[20:39] <sonium> but I want two
[20:39] <sonium> what then?
[20:39] <ali1234> if you do have multiple chips, then you just assert the chip select on the one you want to talk to
[20:39] <shiftplusone> I haven't used SPI with multiple slaves, but I know it's possible even without CS. Don't know if the device needs to support multiple slaves or what, but... it's a thing.
[20:40] <ali1234> you can do chip select on gpios if you want to
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[20:40] <ali1234> the hardware chip select is an input, it's for when the pi is in slave mode
[20:41] <ali1234> SPI is not a bus like I2C or USB, it has one slave and one master
[20:41] <shiftplusone> yeah, but some devices can be daisy chained
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[20:41] <sonium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SPI_three_slaves.svg
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[20:42] <shiftplusone> probably irrelevant in this case, but... still.
[20:42] <shiftplusone> see https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/serial-peripheral-interface-spi 'Multiple Slaves'
[20:42] <ali1234> sonium: yes, only one SS line can be asserted at a time
[20:43] <sonium> ok, so maybe not optimal to use the display SPI for anything else at the same time
[20:43] <ali1234> pretty much. there's two SPI ports on the pi though, isn't there?
[20:43] <sonium> that was my other question
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[20:43] <ali1234> maybe not
[20:44] <ali1234> still, for your low speed stuff, just use I2C instead
[20:44] <sonium> but only one is on the header, but is it possible to connect the other one somehow?
[20:44] <ali1234> the other one might be controlled by the VC, if it even exists
[20:44] <sonium> unfortunatly my device only supports SPI
[20:44] <ali1234> what is it?
[20:45] <sonium> a thermal imaging module
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[20:55] <ali1234> does anyone have a compute module to test something for me?
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[20:56] <shiftplusone> ali1234, if it's not too fiddly.
[20:56] <ali1234> pull the OTG select pin high and try to boot
[20:57] <ali1234> then, pull it low, boot up, then pull it high
[20:57] <ali1234> just trying to find out which pin it is
[20:57] <shiftplusone> which pin is it?
[20:57] <shiftplusone> gah
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[20:58] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure both things will hang it up btw
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[20:59] <ali1234> ah here we are. J6 pin 55
[20:59] <ali1234> it has a 1K pull down
[20:59] <ali1234> so put like 100 ohm to 3.3v
[21:00] <ali1234> actually it might be 5v, it is usb after all
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[21:00] <ali1234> or maybe it's supposed to float
[21:01] <shiftplusone> okay, it turned too fiddly. No resistors handy here.
[21:01] <ali1234> i think you'd actually have to desolder that 1k resistor on the CMIO because i think it's supposed to float for device mode
[21:01] <McBride36> i feel like we have insight into ali1234's mind right now
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[21:03] <ali1234> yeah it's meant to float
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[21:03] <ali1234> well, that means i don't actually need this testing
[21:05] <ali1234> right, 4 bugs reported against dwc_otg, let's see if they get fixed :)
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> Hurray... compiling the kernel is now 3 times faster. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2015-03-11%2020.03.39.jpg
[21:07] <ali1234> it now only takes 4 hours?
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> 17 minutes
[21:08] <TheLostAdmin> a 5 Pi cluster?
[21:08] <shiftplusone> yup
[21:08] <TheLostAdmin> Are those the B+ or model 2?
[21:08] <shiftplusone> 2
[21:09] <TheLostAdmin> hmm. you make me want to do a 4 Pi cluster (I have an old firewall/router thing with built in hub). The firmware is no longer supported and has known exploits so I shouldn't use it as a firewall.
[21:10] <McBride36> is the cluster just for fun?
[21:10] <shiftplusone> for distcc and buildd
[21:10] <TheLostAdmin> You need to plug in a USB2 hard drive for more storage (or is that just not shown)?
[21:11] <shiftplusone> TheLostAdmin, not shown. The cluster isn't actually fully set up for its intended use yet.
[21:11] <thescatman> whoever's using the hdd, don't forget to increase max amperage to USBs
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[21:11] <shiftplusone> external power supply
[21:11] <shiftplusone> the hard drive and master node I'll use https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2015-03-01%2014.14.25.jpg
[21:12] <kisak> TheLostAdmin: it's a built-in switch in the router, unless it's a 10 mbps device
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[21:13] <kisak> ethernet hubs are not easy to come by these days
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[21:23] <sonium> does fbtft work on RPi2 ?
[21:24] <shiftplusone> yeah, should.
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[21:28] <shiftplusone> can't confirm 100% though, since I don't have one here.
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[21:33] <Payo> does anyone know how I can compile pcsx rearmed for the pi 2 with armv7 optimizations?
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[21:33] <ARM9> -O3 -march=native and pray to the great gnu in the sky
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[21:34] <Xark> Payo: -mcpu=cortex-a7 -mfpu=neon-vfpv4
[21:34] <Payo> when I do ./configure?
[21:34] <Xark> Payo: You also might try adding -mthumb (to use Thumb2 opcodes - this is faster for my tests),
[21:34] <Payo> there's an --enable-neon for ./configure
[21:35] <shiftplusone> add "-mfpu=neon -mcpu=cortex-a7 -mtune=cortex-a7" to CFLAGS as well.
[21:35] <shiftplusone> ah.. sorry... already answered I see.
[21:35] <Xark> Payo: Try export "CPPFLAGS=... options ..." before ./configure
[21:35] <Payo> ok
[21:35] <shiftplusone> read 'compiling' here https://github.com/notaz/pcsx_rearmed/blob/master/readme.txt
[21:35] <shiftplusone> but use sensible cflags, not the ones they give
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[21:36] <shiftplusone> haven't tried it myself, but that would be my starting point
[21:36] <Payo> ARMv7 optimizations yes
[21:36] <Payo> enable ARM NEON yes
[21:36] <Payo> seems to be working
[21:36] <Payo> thanks :)
[21:37] <shiftplusone> Payo, a comparison to the normal build would be very welcome.
[21:39] <Payo> well i've never tried it either :p
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[21:47] <shiftplusone> =(
[21:48] <shiftplusone> I guess I'll find out when I get my Slice and set up an epic home theatre and console >=)
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[21:49] <shiftplusone> oh, but that's compute module 1.... =/
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[21:53] <willmore> A screw it, I give up. I ordered a pi2.
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[21:54] <Cirrus_Minor> http://postimg.org/image/bnhxwycpj/
[21:54] <Cirrus_Minor> http://paste.debian.net/160802/
[21:54] <Cirrus_Minor> has some stuff pointed to rpi server
[21:55] <shiftplusone> conky! \O/
[21:55] <shiftplusone> willmore, what, the C1 fling didn't work out? =P
[21:56] <shiftplusone> or just need moar SBCs?
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[22:11] <willmore> shiftplusone, *more*!
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[22:11] <shiftplusone> that's what I said... moar.
[22:11] <willmore> The C1 is working great.
[22:11] <willmore> Moar!
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[22:11] <shiftplusone> excellent
[22:12] <willmore> I was thinking about getting back into assembly programming and the Ne10 project looks like something up my alley. So, two boards with NEON and different cores seemed useful.
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[22:12] <willmore> I'll probably pick up the first 64 bit cheap SBC I can find.
[22:12] <willmore> A quad A53 would be nice.
[22:12] <willmore> A57 would be nicer....
[22:12] <willmore> Or some crazy octa part. :)
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[22:13] <shiftplusone> interesting times for ARM boards =D
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[22:15] <willmore> Indeed. Thank you cheap cell phones.
[22:16] <shiftplusone> and when the market becomes large enough to make a properly open chip reasonable.... >=)
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[22:17] <jamesaxl> MCP3008 is a reference of IC ?
[22:17] <jamesaxl> or brand
[22:18] <shiftplusone> IC
[22:18] <shiftplusone> well... both
[22:18] <willmore> Should be a motorola part, but they're, uhhh.... Not quite themselves.
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[22:19] <jamesaxl> shiftplusone: do you know similar to MPC3008
[22:19] <shiftplusone> motorola? what'cha talking about, willmore!?
[22:19] <shiftplusone> microchip
[22:19] <willmore> Oh, sorry.
[22:19] <willmore> I see MC and my brain goes 'Motorola'!
[22:19] <shiftplusone> jamesaxl, not off the top of my head, but you can fire up farnell, go to ADCs and use the parametric search to find all the chips that suit your needs.
[22:20] <doomlord_1> are you from the right era to have memories of 68000
[22:21] <willmore> doomlord_1, I am from that era, yes.
[22:22] <doomlord_1> ok same here. (amiga)
[22:23] <jamesaxl> sometimes sellers become silly or they do not know,
[22:23] * willmore is a bit older.
[22:24] <shiftplusone> jamesaxl, http://uk.farnell.com/analog-to-digital-converters-adc
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[22:26] <ali1234> right then, how do i use device tree to tell the kernel to use dwc2 instead of dwc_otg?
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[22:27] <ali1234> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/usb/dwc2.txt - but where do i put that?
[22:28] <doomlord_1> the amiga is why i have an anti-nostalgia toward wintel, hence the demand for a non-intel or non-windows computer (like the rpi)
[22:29] <ali1234> why is there bcm2835-rpi-b.dts and bcm2708-rpi-b.dtb but nothing for model a?
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[22:29] <ali1234> what's the difference between a dts and a dtb?
[22:30] <ali1234> why am i asking so many questions?
[22:30] <muriani> doomlord_1: I have all the nostalgia
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[22:30] <ali1234> dtb is the compiled form?
[22:30] <jamesaxl> shiftplusone: thaks a lo
[22:30] <doomlord_1> i define 'anti-nostalgia' not really as a hatred of wintel, but a sense that something is missing.
[22:31] <muriani> I recently set up an old 486 laptop, and a P3 running win98 for dos games
[22:31] <doomlord_1> ^ due to nostalgia for other things.
[22:31] <shiftplusone> ali1234, yup
[22:31] <muriani> but then I also installed RiscOS on the rpi
[22:31] <muriani> and have two MorphOS licenses because Amiga.
[22:31] <ali1234> dtsi is an "include"
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[22:32] <muriani> if I knew my fiancee wouldn't slap me I'd probably bring a couple of old SGI and Sun boxes home
[22:32] <ali1234> so bcm2708-rpi-b-plus.dts seems the closest to a+?
[22:32] <muriani> because I never really got to mess with those, and I wanna!
[22:33] <ali1234> hmm the bcm2835.dtsi already has the right stuff for dwc2
[22:33] <shiftplusone> hmm... wonder why there isn't an a overlay.
[22:33] <ali1234> yet it doesn't work
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[22:34] <nath_> morning, i have user "nobody" running thd, is this suspicious?
[22:34] <doomlord_1> muriani this might sound sad, but I'd like a NeXT-esque globalmenu alternative for a linux desktop
[22:34] <ali1234> only bcm2835-rpi-b.dts includes it, not bcm2708-rpi-b-plus.dts
[22:35] <ali1234> nor bcm2708-rpi-b.dts
[22:35] <shiftplusone> ali1234, 2835 is the upstream stuff.
[22:35] <ali1234> right, that's what i want
[22:35] <shiftplusone> which might be a better starting point for what you're doing, yeah.
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[22:36] <ali1234> that's what P33M just told me yeah
[22:36] <shiftplusone> upstream support effort is in #raspberrypi-kernel, though it's a bit quite lately.
[22:36] <muriani> doomlord_1: that's what I'm talking about
[22:36] <muriani> Sometimes the old ways were the good ways
[22:37] <ali1234> i didn't even realise that there were two different drivers for the USB
[22:37] <ali1234> i mean i saw DWC2, figured it was for different hardware
[22:38] <ali1234> what is "FIQ" anyway?
[22:38] <shiftplusone> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0181e/Cihbjcid.html
[22:39] <ali1234> and with respect to USB?
[22:39] <shiftplusone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_interrupt_request
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[22:39] <ali1234> why is it needed? why doesn't dwc2 have it if it is needed?
[22:39] <shiftplusone> handles interrupts from USB quickly so you don't run into issues with things going unhandled and events being lost due to a low number of channels in the hardware... or something
[22:40] <shiftplusone> the stock driver is terrible and drops events all the time if you have a lot of requests per second. As I understand it, FIQ is a way to deal with it.
[22:40] <ali1234> by "stock driver" you mean dwc_otg?
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[22:41] <shiftplusone> no idea... you'll want to have that discussion with p33m, he's the USB wizard.
[22:42] <shiftplusone> When the pi launched, you'd get keys getting 'stuck', devices not working and all sorts of fun problems. It took him something like half a year to get the driver in a state where most sensible devices work as expected and it's mostly hacks around hardware limitations.
[22:42] <ali1234> yes, and i gather than in the process he broke device mode completely :)
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[22:43] <shiftplusone> there hasn't been a need for it
[22:43] <shiftplusone> but yes, if it worked in the first place.
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[22:55] <plugwash> muriani, regarding your backpowering questions last night a B+ or Pi2 will not start up from back power but it will back power once started
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[22:57] <He4dShOt> hey guys...is it possible that the first raspberry, the one with 256 MB can't boot form an SD card, but another pi (512 MB) boots with the same SD?
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[22:58] <shiftplusone> He4dShOt, it's most likely an issue with the sd card slot
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[22:58] <shiftplusone> try pressing the card against the contacts with your thumb while booting to confirm
[22:58] <He4dShOt> shiftplusone, it's working with another SD
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[22:59] <shiftplusone> some cards are more bendy than others
[22:59] <Cirrus_Minor> He4dShOt: maybe the borked Sd is indeed borken or the dd went bad
[22:59] <shiftplusone> some are thicker
[22:59] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39843&p=327342
[23:00] <BobFrankly> yay, all my stuff came. Copied over to SD and started the installer on my lunch hour :D
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[23:05] <He4dShOt> holy sh...
[23:05] <He4dShOt> shiftplusone, it's workink :D
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[23:05] <He4dShOt> *working
[23:05] <shiftplusone> there ya go
[23:05] <He4dShOt> thanks :)
[23:05] <shiftplusone> np
[23:06] <shiftplusone> you can glue something like a cutout from a library card or something on the back of the slot
[23:06] <shiftplusone> or get the adafruit microusb adapter pcb thingy
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[23:07] <muriani> plugwash: yea I know it does once started
[23:08] <muriani> the USB connection on the lapdock handles starting it up
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[23:11] <nissim> hey guys
[23:11] <nissim> any retropie gurus in here ?
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[23:11] <nissim> im getting my asked kicked trying to config RetroArch from the setup menu
[23:12] <chod> what u setting ?
[23:12] <ali1234> what is msd.elf supposed to do?
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[23:13] <nissim> chod ps3 controller
[23:14] <chod> they usb?
[23:14] <nissim> nope BT dongle
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[23:14] <chod> oh dear
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[23:15] <nissim> when i get to the RetroArch config it flashes the screen for a milli second and then tells me the config was saved ".cfg"
[23:15] <chod> no filename, just an extension ?
[23:16] <chod> can you fine the file and name it?
[23:16] <chod> find
[23:16] <chod> is there a 'profile name missing somewhere or that type of thing ?
[23:17] <nissim> when i go into the dir nothing exist unfortuantely
[23:17] <[Saint]> All these emulators seem to share a common problem:
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[23:17] <[Saint]> Being hilariously poorly documented.
[23:17] <chod> nissim
[23:17] <chod> it will be hidden with a .cfg
[23:18] <chod> view hidden files
[23:18] <chod> ie leading '.
[23:18] <nissim> alright im gonna ssh, cause ill have a little more success with a gui
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[23:18] <chod> just ideas here
[23:19] <nissim> i appreciate them, cause i got nothing lol
[23:19] <jmak642> hey i'm looking to a little help. my new rpi 2 b seems to only boot to a rainbow box no matter what power supply i am using
[23:19] <chod> what is a rainbow box ?
[23:20] <chod> you got a valid boot image on the sd ?
[23:20] <ARM9> perhaps he's talking about the pre boot screen
[23:20] <nissim> chod no hidden files in the dir
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[23:20] <chod> and the psu has enough amps?
[23:20] <Cirrus_Minor> chod: sounds like the dd is corrupt
[23:20] <chod> no hidden, oh :(
[23:20] <jmak642> yeah, this screen http://elinux.org/images/9/9e/Debug-screen.jpg
[23:20] <[Saint]> 'the dd is corrupt' o_0
[23:21] <nissim> No worries man, i just find this thread, http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/2pn2gi/having_a_hard_time_with_retropie_and_ibuffalo/
[23:21] <nissim> gonna give it a shot
[23:21] <chod> k
[23:21] <jmak642> i've tried the exact same image/process i used to get my old one working
[23:21] <jmak642> and 2 different sd cards
[23:22] <chod> the new rpi2 needs different image i guess you know that
[23:22] <chod> or have they 'combined it'
[23:22] <[Saint]> they have not.
[23:22] <chod> i have yet to get one
[23:22] <jmak642> no, wasnt aware, i didnt see anything about that on the website
[23:22] <Cirrus_Minor> is new one still v6 ?
[23:22] <[Saint]> No.
[23:22] <Cirrus_Minor> k
[23:22] <[Saint]> which is why it needs a new image.
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[23:23] <chod> oh i guessed correct, new image guys n gals
[23:23] <chod> 4 cores much stuff needed to support that
[23:23] <chod> riscos should fly on that when supported
[23:23] <[Saint]> nah, not really.
[23:24] <jmak642> so which one? http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[23:24] <ali1234> actually the old image would work if that was the only change
[23:24] <[Saint]> yes.
[23:24] <[Saint]> it would.
[23:24] <chod> i have not taken a look at what else is new on the rpi2
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[23:24] <ali1234> they moved all the hardware registers around
[23:25] <chod> right
[23:25] <chod> more gpio ness
[23:25] <ali1234> it's all the same afaik, just in a different place
[23:25] <[Saint]> Oh, hmmmm...it looks like they /have/ combined the raspbian images.
[23:26] <ali1234> yes the raspbian ones and the noobs one should be combined
[23:26] <ali1234> but others are not
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[23:26] <[Saint]> and, riscOS is supported, FWIW, apparently, chod
[23:26] <[Saint]> ali1234: looks like raspbian, Snappy, and RiscOS
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[23:26] <ali1234> snappy won't work on pi 1
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[23:27] <[Saint]> Oh, sorry, my mistake, yes.
[23:27] <ali1234> but on the flip side you get full arm7 userspace
[23:27] <[Saint]> reading the wrong tab alignment.
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[23:27] <jmak642> so i should try noobs?
[23:28] <ali1234> it's a good a place to start as any
[23:28] <BobFrankly> so weird that they named an OS configurator after persons like myself
[23:28] <[Saint]> jmak642: what image were you using?
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[23:29] <plugwash> theres proper ubuntu images out there too, not just the "snappy" stuff
[23:29] <[Saint]> NOOBs is...just...no, ick.
[23:29] <[Saint]> Raspbian seems like it should be set up to "Just Work".
[23:29] <jmak642> lets see, i tried the raspbmc image that was there, and the openelec immage
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[23:29] <ali1234> plugwash: none of them will work on the pi 1 though
[23:29] <plugwash> indeed
[23:29] <[Saint]> Oh contrare
[23:29] <[Saint]> You /can/ get Ubuntu running on the Pi 1
[23:30] <ali1234> you can if you rebuild it all
[23:30] <[Saint]> Just....ancient, ancient, aaaaaaancient Ubuntu.
[23:30] <ali1234> yeah, like 8.04 or something
[23:30] <[Saint]> There was a time when Ubuntu supported armv6 remember.
[23:30] <ali1234> yeah only for two releases iirc
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[23:30] <chod> i bet openelec is much more useable
[23:31] <[Saint]> For most of these images, the CPU and RAM wasn't the bottleneck.
[23:31] <[Saint]> SO, I kinda doubt it.
[23:31] <[Saint]> The actual fundamental problems the pi has as still very real, nothing changed there.
[23:31] <chod> is ethernet still via usb?
[23:31] <ali1234> you could also write a kernel module to catch SIGILL and emulate it in software
[23:31] <[Saint]> Yep.
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[23:32] <[Saint]> You still have the same old problem of "ethernet or storage throughput, pick one"
[23:33] <[Saint]> (ethernet bringing down storage IO, and vice versa)
[23:33] * [Saint] hugs his ODROID C1s
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[23:33] <[Saint]> (not really, 'cos they're all several kilometers away...but, y'know)
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[23:34] <ali1234> approximately how long does it take to build a pi buildroot?
[23:34] <ali1234> on a quad core x86_64?
[23:34] <[Saint]> On what hardware? ETOOVAGUE.
[23:35] <[Saint]> Ah, shouldn't be too long at all. My server chews through it in a couple of minutes.
[23:35] <ali1234> 3.2GHz quad with SSD and 16GB ram
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[23:35] <ali1234> kernel build takes 9 minutes here
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[23:37] <[Saint]> I *finally* have my server up and running again the way I like it, to some respects at least, since the hardware transplant. 2.3GHz octacore X2 for a total of 32 effective threads with HT), 24GB RAM, and 6 4TB WD Reds in RAID10 for 12TB usable storage.
[23:37] <nissim> chod good news that thread had a fix
[23:38] <[Saint]> Its handling all my fileserver and virtualization requirements.
[23:38] <nissim> "/opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch.cfg"
[23:38] <nissim> at the bottom of the config you add in all the mapping info
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[23:38] <Cirrus_Minor> best rpi motd iv'e seen http://postimg.org/image/lfzbg9tuz/
[23:39] <shiftplusone> a tad on the cluttered side
[23:39] <nissim> i love it
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[23:39] <shiftplusone> source? =)
[23:39] <chod> nissim, good work
[23:39] <[Saint]> and it seems like it can't math.
[23:39] <jmak642> alright, i expect this will be it
[23:40] <chod> what os's u lot run?
[23:40] <[Saint]> total: 180, used 32, free 4...wut?
[23:40] <jmak642> didnt realize raspberrypi.org didnt keep their links updated
[23:40] <[Saint]> Is it balsing up the free buffers/cache line?
[23:40] <Cirrus_Minor> anyways its in the dots folder here http://cirrus.turtil.net motd.sh just source it from .bashrc / .zshrc etc
[23:40] <shiftplusone> jmak642, what's not updated?
[23:40] <[Saint]> jmak642: errrr, what?
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[23:42] <[Saint]> jmak642: if you're still on about the raspi images, they are up to date - very up to date in fact.
[23:42] <Cirrus_Minor> chod < archlinux-arm
[23:43] <Cirrus_Minor> [Saint]: patches welcomed :)
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[23:45] <Cirrus_Minor> [Saint]: also learn about how linux uses ram free -m
[23:45] <Cirrus_Minor> like the man said buffers/cache
[23:45] <[Saint]> Cirrus_Minor: I'm well aware of how the free command is to be parsed, thank you.
[23:45] * uTiNi is now known as uTiNioFF
[23:45] <[Saint]> But please don't try and argue that your MOTD makes sense.
[23:45] <[Saint]> It doesn't. ;)
[23:45] <Cirrus_Minor> ok well im guessing thats whats missing on that script
[23:46] <[Saint]> you realize you just quoted me, right?
[23:46] <[Saint]> Like, you're telling me, what I said?
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[23:47] <Cirrus_Minor> looks like it.
[23:49] <[Saint]> The ASCII raspi logo on that MOTD screen looks like a mentally challenged bumble bee.
[23:49] <[Saint]> I can't un-see it now, lol.
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[23:49] <[Saint]> ...its staring into my soul!
[23:49] <Cirrus_Minor> bzzzz
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[23:51] <Cirrus_Minor> on the off chance anyone visited that link with my dotfiles, i highly recommend that pms.py script (download mp3's uber fast) it was the mpsyt devs first commit, v nice
[23:51] <Cirrus_Minor> poor mans spotify
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[23:52] <[Saint]> premenstrual_syndrome.py
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[23:53] <Cirrus_Minor> ya he was asked to change the name before it made it into the AUR ( conflicted with some playstation media server )
[23:53] <Cirrus_Minor> thankfully
[23:53] <chod> wassat Cirrus_Minor
[23:53] <Cirrus_Minor> wosswot chod
[23:53] <chod> teh pms.py
[23:54] <Cirrus_Minor> script for quickly downloading all the mp3 things
[23:54] <chod> coo
[23:54] <Cirrus_Minor> pulls from pleer.com
[23:54] <chod> url
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[23:54] <Cirrus_Minor> http://cirrus.turtil.net/EXT1/dots
[23:54] <Cirrus_Minor> i think
[23:55] <chod> k
[23:55] <chod> loads a stuff there, thx
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[23:56] <Cirrus_Minor> the functions.txt is nice too
[23:57] <Cirrus_Minor> might need to edit that pms scrip to point to your own download directory
[23:58] <[Saint]> jsyk, wares and piracy are against freenode policy.
[23:58] <Cirrus_Minor> also to search musac syntax is /foo
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[23:59] <[Saint]> just sayin'

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