#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-03-14

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[0:01] * Encrypt (~Chuck-nor@AMontsouris-553-1-115-168.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Quit: Sleeping time!)
[0:02] <NGC3982> Hi.
[0:02] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[0:02] <NGC3982> I can't seem to find an entry that explains why wireless connected RPI clients tend to loose it's established SSH connection
[0:03] <NGC3982> It seems like some kind of energy saving feature that makes it drop the wifi connection when not in use?
[0:03] <cehteh> at high load or at idle .. did the wireless connection die and reconnect?
[0:03] <NGC3982> Only on idle.
[0:04] <cehteh> you can configure keepalives for ssh .. rtfm
[0:04] <NGC3982> If i do something networky on the local client, it accepts SSH.
[0:04] <ShorTie> it's more of a wireless thing then a rpi thing, you need a ping script or use like wicd-cursers to keep connection alive
[0:04] <NGC3982> Ok.
[0:04] <charlie_sanders> yeah theres an ssh keepalive seeting
[0:04] <cehteh> ServerAliveInterval or so was the config
[0:04] <NGC3982> Ok. Thanks.
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[0:05] <ShorTie> that isn't really what i was talking about unless it will reastablish the connection
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[0:06] <NGC3982> Oh, ok?
[0:06] <NGC3982> Well, it does not actively shut down the connection
[0:06] <ShorTie> wifi is not 100% reliable like a cable is, it will drop out
[0:06] <NGC3982> It simply refuses to answer to requests.
[0:06] <NGC3982> ..
[0:07] <NGC3982> The wifi on the RPI is as reliable as on my Windows PC? :)
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[0:08] <NGC3982> The thing is, i have to interact with the network on the RPI to make SSH work to the RPI itself.
[0:08] <NGC3982> The command did not help.
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[0:10] <charlie_sanders> what wifi dongle ?
[0:10] <NGC3982> Some ASUS thingy.
[0:11] <NGC3982> Just tried it on my laptop. No issues.
[0:11] <buZz> NGC3982: ssh keepalive signalling, you can configure your ssh client to send it more often
[0:12] <NGC3982> Oh. *explores putty*
[0:12] <NGC3982> Why do i suddenly need to do this, by the way?
[0:12] <buZz> overwrote your ssh config? no clue
[0:13] <Xark> NGC3982: Putty is pretty "poor". I suggest looking at Tera Term -> http://ttssh2.sourceforge.jp/index.html.en
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[0:13] <NGC3982> I have four alive RPI's that responds to SSH without this issue. They use RaspBMC and not Raspbian like this one.
[0:13] <buZz> NGC3982: so, copy the sshd config setting over then?
[0:14] <NGC3982> It's not as important as simply interesting. :)
[0:14] <buZz> ok, read the manuals
[0:14] <NGC3982> Yes, i just found it in putty.
[0:14] <NGC3982> Thanks.
[0:14] <buZz> ;) i ment the sshd manuals, but ok :P
[0:14] <pksato> and, shell have a "inactivity" timeout, and close session after some time.
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[0:15] <buZz> or put a display on screen that keeps updating
[0:15] <buZz> like a clock, or htop output :)
[0:15] <NGC3982> Hehe
[0:16] * buZz compiling kernel on pi2 ..
[0:16] <buZz> with nfs mounted loopback swap :P
[0:16] <buZz> horrible
[0:17] <pksato> or lost connectio when typing?
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[0:19] <NGC3982> http://www.modmypi.com/blog/disable-wifi-power-management
[0:19] <NGC3982> Oh.
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[0:24] <jamesaxl> i see that the data-sheet of L293D is easy :)
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[1:04] <Anorion> do you guys recommend wicd or network-manager for the rpi?
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[1:10] <ozzzy> I just used the network manager
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[1:14] <Ryccardo> Anorion: either will do, I prefer wicd as it doesn't require systemd (due to a minor feature, for that matter) but that's not an issue in debian 7
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[1:15] <Anorion> I went with wicd, since that's what I know better
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[1:16] <Anorion> now I'm debating bluetooth
[1:16] <Ryccardo> blueman, no contest there afaik
[1:17] <Anorion> well, I have a couple ancient bt dongles
[1:17] <Anorion> and all I ever use it for is a mouse
[1:17] <Anorion> so I'm debating even setting it up
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[1:18] <abnormal> plug it in and reboot the system will find it and set it up for you.
[1:19] <Anorion> once blueman is installed, I assume
[1:20] <abnormal> raspbian should be able to set it up without any additional installations.
[1:20] <Anorion> oh, cool
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[1:20] <abnormal> so try it first and see.
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[1:21] <Anorion> it's too bad there's still no real onedrive client for Linux
[1:23] <abnormal> why?
[1:24] <abnormal> what is onedrive?
[1:24] <Anorion> because I have a crapton of storage there, and it's the only cloud storage I can use for my research
[1:24] <buZz> drivers/media/radio/wl128x/.fmdrv_v4l2.o.cmd:536: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop.
[1:24] <buZz> scripts/Makefile.build:402: recipe for target 'drivers/media/radio/wl128x' failed
[1:24] <buZz> sigh
[1:24] <buZz> :(
[1:25] <buZz> Anorion: https://github.com/mk-fg/onedrive-fuse-fs
[1:25] <buZz> first google hit on 'onedrive fuse'
[1:30] <NGC3982> Oh my. I just noticed i have 4.6V from the USB
[1:30] <NGC3982> On the RPI B+
[1:33] <Anorion> http://i.imgur.com/cHP2NR4.jpg
[1:33] <NGC3982> 4,62V tops
[1:33] <NGC3982> That's not right.
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[1:33] <Anorion> buZz, I've used that. It really only partially works
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[1:35] <Anorion> that's why I was wishing for a "real client"
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[1:38] <NGC3982> Oh my, i think my RPI is broken
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[1:38] <Anorion> brb, rebootski
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[1:39] <NGC3982> It measures 4,60~V trough USB. I just tried the same USB voltage meter on my PC and it shows >5V.
[1:39] <NGC3982> :|
[1:39] <ozzzy> did you measure it at the test points?
[1:41] <NGC3982> No, i just noticed it while noticing the USB stuff not working properly.
[1:42] <ozzzy> try measuring at the test points
[1:45] <NGC3982> 4,64V on the test points
[1:45] <NGC3982> Which drops a tad when on load.
[1:46] <NGC3982> 5,1V directly after the power supply.
[1:46] <NGC3982> And still 4,6V on TP1+2
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[1:46] * NGC3982 tries a new cable.
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[1:50] <NGC3982> Changed cable, 5,1V after the charger, and 4,75V on TP1+TP2.
[1:53] <ozzzy> that's better
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[1:55] <NGC3982> Although, i get another error
[1:55] <NGC3982> The hub also seems to be broken
[1:55] <NGC3982> It supplies the correct voltage, but 0,0A
[1:55] * NGC3982 dismantles.
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[2:09] <NGC3982> Diagnosis: The USB data connection is broken in the cheap hub, but power still transmit
[2:10] <NGC3982> Also, the USB cable from the main charger was faulty in some way, resulting in <4,7V
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[2:27] <AirForce590> Okay, here we go.
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[2:29] <AirForce590> I need to source power form a rechargeable battery (preferably a lipo) and use it to power 2 things: a motor controller (2A) and a Pi (2A). I would also like recharging options for the lipo on the board, does anyone know of such a board and where I can get it?
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[2:36] <ali1234> AirForce590: i'm doing the same thing
[2:36] <AirForce590> ali1234: How art thou doing it?
[2:37] <ali1234> i'm using a 1A charger board and 2x 1A boost converters
[2:37] <ali1234> assuming you're building a remote control car or something, you don't need 2A for the pi
[2:38] <ali1234> and my motors only draw about 1.2A if i stall all 4 of them
[2:38] <AirForce590> ok
[2:38] <AirForce590> oh
[2:38] <ali1234> i'm using 2x 2000mAh batteries
[2:38] <AirForce590> Can you give me links to the parts?
[2:38] <ali1234> they are ebay specials
[2:39] <AirForce590> the boards and boost converters
[2:39] <ali1234> let me find the orders
[2:39] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301363229584?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[2:39] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400665524431?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[2:39] <ali1234> now this is all fine, but there is one problem
[2:40] <AirForce590> yes?
[2:40] <ali1234> the charger board detects when to stop charging by monitoring the charge current
[2:40] <ali1234> but if the pi is running then it will use 300mA
[2:40] <ali1234> which is way more than the cut off current to stop charging
[2:40] <ali1234> so it will never stop charging the batteries
[2:40] <AirForce590> oh
[2:40] <ali1234> it is voltage limited, so they won't burn
[2:41] <ali1234> but trickle charging them like that can reduce the lime span
[2:41] <ali1234> *life span
[2:41] <AirForce590> ok, so I can do something like this
[2:41] <ali1234> i haven't figured out how to solve this problem yet, i will probably just have an off switch for the pi
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[2:43] <AirForce590> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1944
[2:43] <ali1234> that is pretty much the same thing as the ebay special board
[2:43] <AirForce590> motors to v breakout, slam-bam thank you mam
[2:43] <AirForce590> plus It's easier, and I have warranties
[2:44] <AirForce590> one thing though
[2:44] <AirForce590> will that board be able to support my motors and my pi at the same time?
[2:44] <ali1234> probably not
[2:44] <AirForce590> crap
[2:44] <ali1234> depends how big the motors are
[2:45] <ali1234> you need to test them
[2:45] <AirForce590> or just use http://www.adafruit.com/product/2030, and have a separate lipo charger
[2:46] <AirForce590> up to 4A, for every-freaking-thing I need to power
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[2:52] <mattwj2002> hey guys
[2:52] <mattwj2002> I order the rpi 2
[2:52] <mattwj2002> :D
[2:53] <mattwj2002> please don't mind me....
[2:53] <mattwj2002> a bit intoxicated
[2:53] <McBride36> now is the best time to be coding!
[2:54] <mattwj2002> haha
[2:54] <mattwj2002> because I am drunk?
[2:54] <mattwj2002> :P
[2:56] <mattwj2002> McBride36: do you have a Pi2?
[2:56] <mattwj2002> does it take the same images as the original pi?
[2:57] <ozzzy> mattwj2002, no... the Pi2 takes sepia-coloured images
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[2:58] <mattwj2002> ozzzy I meant software images
[2:58] <mattwj2002> :)
[2:58] <mattwj2002> aka .img files!
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[3:12] <Anorion> hmm
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[3:12] <Anorion> the blueman 'devices' window will not pop up
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[3:14] <Anorion> hmm
[3:14] <Anorion> I had to do it as root
[3:14] <Anorion> weird
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[3:17] <Anorion> and it doesn't come back after a reboot
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[4:25] <Anorion> Hmm
[4:25] <Anorion> I may have to just get a new bt dongle
[4:25] <Anorion> too bad that the wlan dongle I got doesn't do both
[4:27] <Anorion> I think this dongle is a cheapo $0.99 one from meritline anyway
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[5:11] <Anorion> how do you disable the always-https feature in the default browser?
[5:14] <Froolag> rm -rf
[5:15] <Anorion> :(
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[5:15] <Froolag> lol
[5:16] <Froolag> I disabled the https feature with yum install firefox
[5:16] <CoJaBo> wat
[5:16] <Anorion> eww red hat
[5:18] <Froolag> pidora
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[7:09] * Xark got some authentic "imported from Australia" Blu-Tack to make his RPi2 "photon resistant" (always wanted some anyways). :)
[7:10] <McBride36> pics pls
[7:11] <Xark> You mean http://www.amazon.com/Blu-Tack-Reusable-Adhesive/dp/B001FGLX72 ? :)
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[7:12] <McBride36> and you're going to stick that all over your pi?
[7:12] <McBride36> i just have a vision of a blu-tack sheathed pi
[7:12] <Xark> It is just a blue circle over U16 -> http://i.imgur.com/mAKtA7W.jpg (since I have a clear case and verified a [bright] green laser can reset it).
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[7:15] * Xark is not opposed to pics per se, but then he would have to tidy his very messy workbench (with RPi2 on top of the other junk...). :)
[7:17] <Xark> I was also reading that supposedly with "max_usb_current=1" in config.txt I can directly connect HDD (for root). I'd like to be hub-free if possible...
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[7:38] <ShorTie> if you got a good power supply you should be ok, they recommend a 2.5amp
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[7:39] <Xark> I have 2A (and low-power HDD)
[7:41] <Xark> It was not happy without the max_usb_current=1 though, so we will see if that makes the difference.
[7:43] <ShorTie> thats all i have too, and it seems to work fine
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[7:48] <Xark> I am currently backing up the contents, so my test is on hold (taking forever...32MB/sec).
[7:49] <Xark> However, switched to a fancier SD card and now that is 17.13 MB/sec per hdparm (much better than cheapie class 4 that was ~6MB/sec)
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[7:49] <Xark> Hmm, "Patriot" brand (I believe it was the very least expensive one on the rack). :)
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[8:01] <McBride36> i had a class 4 SD that kept getting corrupted
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[8:03] <Xark> Yeah. I have never had a root filesystem on SD that didn't have something "funky" happen eventually. :) That is why I want a HDD...
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[8:44] <Aerosonic> Can I shrink a dd-based img file?
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[8:44] <Aerosonic> It's raw and I can't clone it onto another sdcard because it's not big enough, apparently.
[8:46] <ShorTie> Yes
[8:46] <ShorTie> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c0t13u5awa60kwy/Image_Shrinker.tar.bz2?dl=0
[8:49] <ShorTie> but, you need a linux box with atleast the free space of the image free
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[8:52] <ShorTie> or you could use rpi-clone to go from running sdcard to new sdcard
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[9:23] <clonak> would a orginal RPi model b handle 2 self powered ext hdd and a usb stick, off a non powered hub ?
[9:23] <clonak> or am I going to have to buy a new self powered hub,
[9:24] <drnapster> my pi is getting to me tomorrow im prepping the sd tonight because excited but i have one quick question. i am going the noobs route because i want dual booting and i am too lazy to do it myself. i want to use it off line but in the os folder is only raspbian do i just add other oses to that folder to allow offline install?
[9:24] <clonak> I burnt out my old one, pays to check the voltage on a multi volt power adapter, things that take 5V dont like 12V very much.
[9:25] <drnapster> i dont have my pi yet so i dont know for sure but i would not pull that much power through it.
[9:26] <drnapster> after reading the specs it seems far to risky
[9:27] <clonak> well, the 2 hdd are not techinally taking any power,
[9:28] <drnapster> oh i did not see the self powered note
[9:28] <clonak> well, 1 is not take any power for certain as I cut the power wire, because it is one of the ones that back powers off usb,
[9:28] <drnapster> yeah that should be fine then
[9:29] <clonak> oh, lol.
[9:29] <clonak> yeah Im not that silly, I wouldnt run anything that require that much power off it.
[9:30] <clonak> I think its like what, 100ma or something, just 1 ext hdd requires like 1a,
[9:31] <drnapster> lol yeah sorry im not thinking to strait been awake to long
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[9:33] <clonak> all good.
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[9:36] <clonak> unfortunately, I cant help with your question, I dont know anything about noobs,
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[9:38] <drnapster> ok thanks im really just looking for the easiest way to dual boot ricos and raspbian and maybe arch. i am no linux noob at all but these sd cards are a bit odd in how they are used i think.
[9:41] <MY123> drnapster, NOOBS
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[9:42] <drnapster> yes but what id i have to do it off line? will i still get risc?
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[9:45] <MY123> drnapster, yes if you have WWW
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[9:46] <drnapster> ok thanks
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[9:52] <the-legend> hey guyz i had a python codee for a raspberry pi based motion alarm(http://pastebin.com/pYVpTw7g)i wanted add a alarm sound in it via the speakers connected to the audio jack somebody recomended pygame but i dont know how to do it ... plz help
[9:53] <teusje> https://twitter.com/teusje/status/576658256677978112
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[9:53] <teusje> needs some extra retweets héh :p
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[11:17] <jamesaxl> hi
[11:18] <jamesaxl> i wonder , why can not use resistor with L293D
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[11:28] <ShorTie> oh my
[11:28] <ShorTie> it's pi day
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[11:28] <ShorTie> 3.1415
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[11:47] <shiftplusone> jamesaxl: missing some context there.
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[11:53] <giddles> hello
[11:54] <shiftplusone> hey
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[11:56] <giddles> i got some half written half empty pictures from running "motion" over conf script to an ftp server
[11:56] <giddles> man what am i doing wrong?
[11:56] * shiftplusone shrugs
[11:56] <giddles> is it the ftp server, is it the edimaxx, is it some else problem..
[11:58] <giddles> and what is wrong with windows 10 :D got now more than 6 pi's... i need 6x windows license keys? how should this work
[11:58] <shiftplusone> I'd blame motion first. And then try to figure out exactly what's happening by stripping bits out and keeping everything else equal
[11:58] <giddles> i askes some questions in motion main channel
[11:58] <giddles> no answer ;)
[11:58] <giddles> its very hard for a greenhorn
[11:59] <shiftplusone> there's no enough information to go on really
[11:59] <giddles> they must think ill be retarded
[11:59] <giddles> next time i dont delete pictures and keep cause online ;)
[12:00] <shiftplusone> It's a "my computer doesn't work, what gives?" sort of question. Someone needs to sit down and diagnose the issue properly and I don't think many people would volunteer to do that over IRC.
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[12:00] <giddles> a picture shows more than 1000 written/spoken works
[12:00] <giddles> half written half empty pictures from running "motion" over conf script to an ftp server <-- is more than a "my computre does not work"
[12:00] <Hix_> morning peoples. How goes?
[12:01] <giddles> bad as usual ;)
[12:01] <Hix_> :D
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[12:01] <shiftplusone> can't complain
[12:02] <Hix_> got my nestbox cam working properly with the new DC-DC modules using RPi-Cam-Web-Interface
[12:02] <giddles> that sounds interesting
[12:02] <giddles> did you ever get a half picture? (where the half is filled with cam half is filled grey)?
[12:02] <Hix_> now to work out the configuration minefield :)
[12:03] <Hix_> only using raspicam remote on android
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[12:03] <giddles> its so useless, near 500$ down the tube
[12:03] <Hix_> ?
[12:03] <giddles> suvelliance system on rpi
[12:03] <giddles> :)
[12:03] <giddles> id better invested in some professional alarm
[12:04] <Hix_> dunno, people have done some pretty good systems on pi from what I’ve seen
[12:04] <shiftplusone> and I'm sure they didn't sink half a grand in theirs either O_o
[12:04] <giddles> very good ;) errors, freezes, half pictures..
[12:04] <giddles> :D
[12:05] <Hix_> is it normal for the timestamp on the interface for RPi-Cam-Web-Interface to flicker / jump in size every 1/2 second?
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[12:05] <Hix_> shiftplusone: :D
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[12:06] <giddles> my piseller even do not send some "instrusctions"
[12:08] <giddles> i thought it comes from uk and not from china.. lousy for 38 EUR..
[12:08] <shiftplusone> Hix: when running a script written by random guy on the internet, I don't know if there's such thing as normal. Too many variables introduces.
[12:08] <shiftplusone> *introduced
[12:09] <giddles> wheres the rpi sales manager ? :D
[12:10] <Hix_> fair point shiftplusone just wonderd if I had buggered something but afaik I’m on standard defaults
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[12:17] <giddles> so hmmm
[12:17] <giddles> running some ftp server on a single rpi or running it on the routre.. what you experts mean
[12:18] <giddles> whats more stable
[12:19] <Kunsi> giddles: depends
[12:20] <giddles> and your own stomarch feeling about?
[12:20] <giddles> :D
[12:20] <giddles> yes or no
[12:20] <Kunsi> for me, i'd run it on my gateway pc (which actually is my router)
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[12:21] <giddles> ah ok
[12:21] <giddles> i run it on my internet connection machine. its a router, dsl modem, splitter, usb connector in one
[12:21] <giddles> i really think about some banana pi with sata connection
[12:22] <Hix> Seeing as the nestbox will be running 24/7 would it be wise to put a sudo reboot in crontab? Say once every 24 hours...
[12:23] <giddles> hm
[12:23] <Hix> or just leave it and hope it doesn’t crash / corrupt
[12:23] <shiftplusone> Hix: Why? I'd just use the watchdog.
[12:23] <giddles> +1 router +0 pi
[12:23] <giddles> my router do this automaticlly
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[12:24] <giddles> think banana pi with a watchdog and some hdd would be more nice as solution
[12:25] <giddles> instead of buying a nas or something expensive else which allows protocol on port 21
[12:26] <Hix> I wasn’t aware Pi had one shiftplusone but that looks ideal. Ta!
[12:26] <giddles> i knew soc does not allow but i wish from rpi foundation some pi model with sata connector
[12:27] <giddles> would solve some problems with the stoneage sd teqnology
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[12:29] <Hix> assume references to bcm2708_wdog should be replaced with bcm2835_wgog for the Pi2?
[12:29] <Hix> *wdog
[12:30] <shiftplusone> nope
[12:30] <Hix> ok
[12:30] <nefarious> People introduced SATA on the development board, didn't they?
[12:31] <giddles> thats an iformation i dont got
[12:31] <giddles> is there some link?
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[12:31] <giddles> you knew here ppl how i speak english :D its more worse when its getting technical
[12:32] <nefarious> With the compute module, even, not development board, my bad
[12:33] <giddles> well i would solve maybe my stabilty problems
[12:33] <giddles> it
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[12:40] <Hix> is there a gentle way to test the watchdog?
[12:41] <giddles> isnt it that rpi is shutdown at 85°C?
[12:42] <giddles> that was the value after asking 'vcgencmd get config int'
[12:42] <giddles> i guess it was temp_limit
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[12:47] <shiftplusone> Hix: what do you mean by gentle?
[12:47] <shiftplusone> You can kill the watchdog process, for example.
[12:48] <Hix> i tried the ‘forkbomb’ as recommended in a few tuts, and it proved that the watchdog was not as it should have been, forced me to unplug
[12:48] <shiftplusone> Hix: that's because the watchdog runs with a higher priority
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[12:49] <shiftplusone> the system doesn't actually 'hang' you just have a recursive process making it impossible to do things.
[12:50] <shiftplusone> that's all configurable though
[12:50] <Hix> I don’t follow you. If the recursive process was going on infinitely then shouldn’t the watchdog have automatically rebooted?
[12:51] <giddles> i do not use a watchdog
[12:51] <giddles> :D
[12:51] <giddles> after some debacle
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[12:52] <giddles> i use some glazed tile as security
[12:52] <giddles> :)
[12:52] <shiftplusone> Not if you consider how the watchdog works. You have a hardware counter that resets the pi when it reaches 0. You have a process which resets the counter so that it doesn't hit 0. If the pi hangs, the process won't be able to reset the counter and the pi will reboot. In the case of a forkbomb, the process is still functional enough to reset the watchdog.
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[12:53] <shiftplusone> Because it runs at a higher priority. The kernel will always come back to it, even if you have a million other things competing for cpu time.
[12:53] <Hix> giddles glazed tile as security? Are you powering it with a swollen LiPo that is permanently on charge?
[12:53] <giddles> no
[12:53] <giddles> but im not at home when suvelliance cameras are online
[12:53] <giddles> :)
[12:54] <shiftplusone> You can lower the priority of the watchdog or add a setting to make it reboot at a certain load and such.
[12:54] <giddles> dont knew, i dont talked to my insurance yet above
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[12:55] <Hix> I was looking through the config shiftplusone and I uncommented the line ‘#max-load-1 = 24’ however with motion running the cpuload in top from motion alone is 30.7% and it too hasn’t triggered it
[12:58] <shiftplusone> Hix: load isn't the percentage of the CPU used.
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[13:00] <shiftplusone> (if that's what you were getting at).
[13:00] <Hix> Ah… so what are the three figures in the line ‘load average: 0.11, 0.31, 0.30’
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[13:02] <shiftplusone> As I understand it, it's the load averaged over different periods of time.
[13:02] <shiftplusone> Just checked... yup... load over 1, 5 and 15 minutes.
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[13:03] <Hix> ok cool. the 5 has now jumped to 0.44 :/ and the 1 min to 0.71
[13:04] <Hix> ah, no hang on a minute, that is 0.44% not 44% correct?
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[13:06] <mgottschlag> Hix: afaik, that's the number of jobs waiting for CPU time
[13:06] <shiftplusone> I haven't seen a clear definition
[13:06] <mgottschlag> so, 0.44 means that half of the time a job was waiting
[13:07] <Hix> righto
[13:07] <mgottschlag> s/job/process
[13:07] <shiftplusone> "number of jobs in the run queue (state R) or waiting for disk I/O (state D)"
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[13:08] <Hix> hmm, just gone through things again and /etc/init.d/watchdog start comes up with a fail ‘starting watchfdog daemon’
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[13:08] <shiftplusone> Top answer here seems good. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21617500/understanding-load-average-vs-cpu-usage
[13:08] <shiftplusone> Hix: did you uncomment the device line?
[13:09] <shiftplusone> also check dmesg and syslog/messages maybe.
[13:09] <ozzzy> http://www.howtogeek.com/194642/understanding-the-load-average-on-linux-and-other-unix-like-systems/
[13:09] <Hix> shiftplusone: watchdog-device - yes
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[13:10] <shiftplusone> Hix: module loaded?
[13:11] <Hix> sudo modprobe bcm2708_wdog ? if so, yes
[13:11] <shiftplusone> I don't know... I just did the obvious things and it works. Add the module to /etc/modules, install the daemon, modify the config file and it worked.
[13:11] <Hix> echo "bcm2708_wdog" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
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[13:13] <Hix> I think I may have build up a bacon defecit, which needs some serious addressing :)
[13:15] * ozzzy always keeps Kirkland Maple Flavoured Bacon handy
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[13:15] * shiftplusone considers going to the sammich shop to get a bacon panini.
[13:15] <shiftplusone> I suppose I need to swing by the office to power up a pi anyway... hmm...
[13:16] <Hix> oh, bacon and cheese pannini, good shout
[13:17] <shiftplusone> the way they do it is bacon, avacado and optional mayo. There's also a bacon, cranberry and bree, which is much better than it sounds.
[13:17] <shiftplusone> *brie
[13:18] <Hix> it sounds good!!!
[13:19] <Hix> so it must tatste great
[13:19] <shiftplusone> I don't know... I was sceptical. cranberry? brie? I don't like those things and certainly wouldn't have either with bacon. But I've been converted.
[13:20] <shiftplusone> anyway... I'm sold... off to the bacon sammich store.
[13:20] <Hix> weird things work. Dark chocolate in Chilli. Enjoy your feed
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[13:46] <shiftplusone> aaaand back
[13:46] <shiftplusone> Hix: any luck sorting out the watchdog woes?
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[13:47] <Hix> it appears that after a few reboots that /etc/init.d/watchdog start throws no errors :D How was the sarnie?
[13:48] <shiftplusone> excellent
[13:48] <Hix> we even have a live stream of my nestboxcam
[13:48] <shiftplusone> link?
[13:50] <Hix> should be http://nestboxcam.hopto.org/ once no-ip propogate changes
[13:50] <shiftplusone> yup, works
[13:50] <shiftplusone> I see what you mean about the timestamp jumping though >_<
[13:51] <shiftplusone> no idea what I'm looking at but... cool.
[13:51] <Hix> apart from the annoying frame they add. Need to do some formatting of the htmlamd css to make it look less pikey though
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[13:51] <shiftplusone> the text jumping around seems to be just JS.
[13:51] <Hix> shiftplusone: it’s the bottom of a garden nestbox - hopefully some avian residents will be moving in shortly
[13:51] <Tenkawa> oh coo
[13:51] <Tenkawa> l
[13:52] <Tenkawa> Hix: what kind of birds/etc in your area?
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[13:52] <Hix> there are a good few tits / robins/ wrens / magpies / crows / wood-pigeon / a barn owl…..
[13:52] <shiftplusone> actually, no, it's not js... hmm.
[13:52] <Tenkawa> neat
[13:53] <Hix> shiftplusone: it’s annoying :)
[13:53] <shiftplusone> but it's added on your end so... there's something to investigate.
[13:53] <Hix> Tenkawa: though i believe this box will only be taken by tits, they seem funny about entry aperture diameters, birds
[13:54] <Tenkawa> any of you running 3.19 on pi's (specificly the 2) yet?
[13:54] <Tenkawa> Hix: are you havng to protect the lenses?
[13:54] <Tenkawa> or do they stay away from them?
[13:55] <Tenkawa> we have a fair sized garden that this sounds like a neat project for
[13:55] <Tenkawa> and we get a lot of different wildlife living around it during the spring/summer/fall
[13:56] <Hix> Tenkawa: It’s just mouhnted to the roof on a bent ally plate, should be safe enough. Not as concerned about pi camera lenses as my Nikon glass :)
[13:56] <Tenkawa> indeed
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[13:59] <Hix> now - a cigarette, something to eat then to get rid of the annoying flicker
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[15:20] <abbyNormal> anyone seen anything like joy2key that talks through SDL and runs without X ?
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[15:32] <buZz> why through SDL?
[15:32] <buZz> abbyNormal
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[15:40] <abbyNormal> buZz: using emulationstation and a few emulators, they seem to read input with SDL, and everything I have tried with joy2key does not get picked up by those apps
[15:40] <buZz> dont the emulators have joystick support themselves?
[15:40] <buZz> i would expect that, at least
[15:41] <buZz> name me one emulator
[15:41] <abbyNormal> not wide enough joystick support it seems
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[15:41] <buZz> there is just -one- joystick support in linux
[15:41] <buZz> through /dev/js0 etc
[15:41] <abbyNormal> using a gpwiz40, and emulationstation and piFBA don't read the joystick input
[15:41] <buZz> or /dev/input/js0 i guess
[15:41] <abbyNormal> I can see the input using jstest on js0
[15:41] <abbyNormal> but the software doesn't
[15:42] <buZz> pifba says > This port supports keyboard and USB joystick input and are configurable
[15:42] <buZz> > All controls are configurable by editing the "fba2x.cfg" file. If your joystick uses axis different than 0 and 1 you can change this in the fbax2.cfg file.
[15:42] <abbyNormal> buzz, I've been down that road :D
[15:42] <abbyNormal> it reads the buttons, but not the joystick input itself
[15:43] <buZz> tried a different joystick? :D
[15:43] * abbyNormal looks around house
[15:43] <abbyNormal> no options
[15:43] <buZz> well
[15:43] <buZz> you could hack the code ;)
[15:43] <abbyNormal> considering a different encoder, but looking for other options as well
[15:44] <buZz> better way to spend time then play games anyway :P
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[15:44] <abbyNormal> I looked at the source, rather confused :D
[15:44] <abbyNormal> I've done windows scripting, but C++ is a different beast :D
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[15:45] <abbyNormal> doesn't help that's it's not commented much
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[15:46] <buZz> learning is awesome :)
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[15:47] <divx118> /me sees a familiar name also here buZz
[15:47] <buZz> ;) hiya
[15:47] <buZz> archos ftw
[15:47] <buZz> w000p
[15:47] <divx118> :)
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[16:22] <Ryccardo> is copper oxide bad for the human skin?
[16:24] <ozzzy> which version
[16:25] <Ryccardo> ...the one that looks green
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[16:26] <ozzzy> I don't think that's copper oxide
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[16:26] <Kunsi> it is
[16:27] <buZz> copper oxide is green
[16:27] <buZz> yes
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[16:27] <Ryccardo> there's a truckload of it inside this allegedly waterproof camera I got for free
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[16:27] <ozzzy> IIRC the green patina on copper and bronze are chlorides and sulfates
[16:28] <buZz> oxidation
[16:28] <ozzzy> oxides of copper aren't green
[16:29] <buZz> oh right
[16:29] <buZz> its corrosion
[16:29] <buZz> tarnish
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[16:30] <ozzzy> they used to think that you'd be poisoned by corroded brass/copper... dunno how true that is
[16:30] <buZz> > consists of varying mixtures of copper chlorides, sulfides, sulfates and carbonates,
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[17:12] <giddles> hey i solved my half pictures problem
[17:12] <giddles> :)
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[17:29] <endiruna> hi! I would like to use the raspberry as a hifi stereo. is there some audio card you would suggest? hifiberry looks pretty nice but it is expensive
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[17:30] <muriani> endiruna: hifiberry is good, but USB sound card is sufficient for mose
[17:31] <endiruna> muriani: so a random cheap usb audio card would do?
[17:32] <endiruna> do you have any racomandation on smth that works for you?
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[17:32] <muriani> not really
[17:32] <muriani> don't use my pi as hifi
[17:32] <muriani> yet
[17:32] <muriani> but I've had good luck with usb sound cards in linux, alsa support is pretty good
[17:32] <Kunsi> endiruna: personally, i use internal sound card for audio-only, and hdmi for video/audio
[17:32] <pksato> for plaback, hdmi audio extractor, with spdiff out.
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[17:32] <muriani> hdmi audio extractor is a good idea
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[17:37] <endiruna> isn't the hdmi audio extractor as expensive as the hifiberry? or do you suggest it cause the quality is better?
[17:38] <muriani> it's a plug-and-play device, so to speak
[17:38] <muriani> no config needed, you're already using the output that's there
[17:38] <pksato> $37 on china sites
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[17:39] <pksato> or, <$20 on hdmi to vga with audio out.
[17:40] <stevenjames> pksato i got mine for $4.99 on ebay
[17:41] <endiruna> that is cool! is the quality comparable?
[17:41] <endiruna> to the extractor or a good audio card?
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[17:42] <pksato> probable use standard delta sigma DAC.
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[17:47] <buZz> endiruna: if you are audiophile, not recommended
[17:48] <buZz> its not recommended to even -be- a audiophile
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[17:49] <endiruna> it seems that the audio card of the pi is subquality. i would like something that has a reasonable quality. nothing too fancy
[17:50] <methuzla> what audio card?
[17:50] <muriani> lol buZz
[17:50] <pksato> rpi "not have" audio card. :)
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[17:51] <endiruna> audio output. I am a newbie and getting tomorrow my pi. sorry
[17:51] <buZz> endiruna: first -experience- how poor the quality is
[17:51] <buZz> i am no audiophile, i dont find it 'subquality'
[17:53] <endiruna> :)
[17:54] <divx118> I have the b+ and use it with bluetooth streaming to my soundbar. Sounds ok to me.
[17:54] <methuzla> the basic audio out is pretty, well basic (10bit), and as such kind of poor audio quality
[17:54] <methuzla> i've been happy with the $5 usb sound card route
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[18:07] <codinho> guys, if someone interrested, here is my branch of gst-omx with gpu deinterlacing
[18:07] <codinho> https://github.com/ismelykh/gst-omx-deinterlace
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[18:16] <Ryccardo> https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/15/RTC-Pi-Real-time-Clock-Module heh, got an equivalent for 8 € :)
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[18:26] <Cheekio> Still having an issue where after 20 minutes of playing video, my pi2 will crash
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[18:26] <Cheekio> Right now I'm trying raspbian / omxplayer, and it's like, seriously, every 20 minutes
[18:27] <Cheekio> Omxplayer goes to black, and I either have to quit it or drop to ctrl - alt - f1 to restart x
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[18:28] <Cheekio> Does anyone have any thoughts? I've gone through 2 pis, 2 micro sd cards, 2 wireless adapters, and 2 Os's (raspbian and kodi)
[18:28] <Cheekio> Like, seriously, what the hell
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[18:28] <atouk> been running mine for a week using kodi. not a single crash
[18:29] <ShorTie> 1st thing i'd try is a cable instead of wifi
[18:29] <Cheekio> RPI2?
[18:30] <atouk> yup
[18:30] <Cheekio> I've experienced this with the video downloaded to the SD card as well
[18:30] <Cheekio> Only did that once though
[18:32] <atouk> running openelec 5.0.5 img, wifi, logitech wireless mouse/kbd
[18:32] <Ryccardo> how much should a Pi 1 run off a 4,7 microfarad capacitor?
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[18:33] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, and you've never seen the red led flicker or a rainbow square in the corner of the screen?
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[18:33] <ShorTie> what size powe adapter do you have ??
[18:34] <shiftplusone> it's pretty safe to narrow this down to the type of sd card you're using, the power supply or power cable.
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[18:41] <Cheekio> shiftplusone: never
[18:41] <Cheekio> I actually tried changing the power supply, but then I started getting the rainbow square
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[18:42] <Cheekio> Wait, the red led can flicker?
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[18:42] <Cheekio> I don't pay attention to the LEDs on the pi2, should I?
[18:42] <shiftplusone> on the b+ and pi2, yes. But you don't need to pay attention, it's tied to the rainbow square, so if you don't see one, you shouldn't see the other.
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[19:07] <Bilby> just saw this --> http://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/15-1196/index.html?icid=306672
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[19:31] <Ryccardo> Cheekio: Pi1 here, red led is in parallel with +5 regulator but yes, it dims in certain cases when the power supply is undersized
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[19:36] <teknic111> What is the multi-colored square that sits in the right hand corner of my screen?
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[19:38] <atouk> the NSA monitor program
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[19:39] <atouk> (low voltage)
[19:39] <methuzla> teknic111 sounds like a rainbow square
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[19:39] <teknic111> yes it is a rainbow square
[19:39] <pizearke> hey, can you use debian packages on raspbian?
[19:39] <pizearke> or is there a seperate repository?
[19:40] <methuzla> teknic111 its a low power indicator
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[19:44] <teknic111> is there a command line command to see how much power i'm drawing?
[19:45] <Bilby> not really
[19:47] <Ryccardo> pizearke: basically, only architecture independent packages (interpreted software, firmware, non-executables)
[19:48] <pizearke> hmm
[19:48] <pizearke> All I need is vim
[19:48] <pizearke> and gcc but I'm pretty sure that's already on there
[19:48] <Ryccardo> and it's not in the raspbian repos??
[19:48] <pizearke> oh wait
[19:49] <pizearke> so there are raspbian repos?
[19:49] <pizearke> okay give me a sec
[19:49] <Ryccardo> where would it get updates from, otherwise? :)
[19:49] <pizearke> I don't have internet on my raspi
[19:49] <elec64> pizearke: can't install stuff for x86 (32 or 64) on an Arm
[19:49] <Ryccardo> http //mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/
[19:50] <pizearke> thanks
[19:50] <elec64> pizearke: although you could probably install the source codes just fine and compile them yourself
[19:50] <Ryccardo> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/v/vim/
[19:50] <elec64> of course, you might want to cross compile them
[19:50] <pizearke> oh true
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[19:51] <Ryccardo> or you can buy it in stores http://www.ragstore.it/media/catalog/product/l/e/lev08_--_000_1095_.jpg
[19:51] <pizearke> ooh, I'm seeing "Nano". Have any of you used that?
[19:51] <elec64> Ryccardo: firmware is not 'architecture independent'
[19:51] <pizearke> lol
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[19:52] <Ryccardo> elec64: well, it's architecture independent relatively to the main CPU's
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[19:53] <elec64> Ryccardo: if you assume that all MOBO's are the same...which they are not.
[19:53] <Tachyon`> nano is an editor in the same way that visual basic is a basic
[19:53] <Ryccardo> b43-firmware is the same whether you use the same wireless card on x86, x64, arm...
[19:53] <Tachyon`> joe is quite nice if you lilke wordstaralikes
[19:54] <elec64> firmware is firmware because its platform specific code that can't be ported anywhere...
[19:54] <Ryccardo> I actually like nano
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[19:54] <elec64> Ryccardo: does b43-firmware run in the kernel? Or on a b43-chip
[19:54] <Tachyon`> I'm sure it'll pass
[19:54] <shiftplusone> +1 for nano. =D
[19:54] <elec64> pizearke, Ryccardo nothing wrong with nano, its just simple.
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[19:55] <Ryccardo> elec64: on the wireless card, even though it's copied to its memory through the kernel (because Broadcom couldn't be bothered to put some flash memory on it, preferring instead to annoy free software purists)
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[19:56] <elec64> Ryccardo: if it runs in the kernel, its arch dependent (because it needs to know which instruction set to use), if it runs on the chip, well, the chip isn't part of an architecture...
[19:56] <elec64> And I wouldn't call it 'architecture independent' in the second case either.
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[19:56] <Sonny_Jim> Let's just call it 'firmware' eh?
[19:57] <shiftplusone> it's architecture independent in the context of the conversation. The packages for those things are the same for all architectures.
[19:57] <shiftplusone> But if we want to get pedantic then this is certainly something that can be pointlessly argued about for a while.
[19:57] <Ryccardo> from the point of view of the OS it is, exactly because it doesn't run on the regular CPU (the software that copies it is compiled, but it's not part of the firmware files)
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[19:59] <elec64> Ok, but there's an important distinction - if your package stricly contains firmware blobs, you don't care. If it contains any code that communicates with the firmware blob...then its not arch independent any more. Certainly not a pedantic point.
[20:00] <elec64> And additionally if you have some strange architecture that requires multiple levels of communication with multiple packages...
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[20:00] <Ryccardo> true -- generally the open drivers have the "communication" part directly in kernel source and firmware as a package, closed ones are all in one precompileds
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[20:01] <shiftplusone> yeah, the module/driver itself is usually part of the kernel package, separate from the firmware.
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[20:06] <Ryccardo> anyway: bought an RTC chip, appears reasonable but not too easy to install
[20:07] <shiftplusone> Ryccardo, hmm? which one? It should just be a matter of enabling the dt overlay for it and that's it nowadays.
[20:07] <shiftplusone> Maybe adding the module to /etc/modules.
[20:07] <Ryccardo> Pi1 here, it doesn't have the magic eeprom pins
[20:07] <shiftplusone> nothing to do with magic eeprom pins
[20:09] <Ryccardo> remove 2 resistors to make it run at external i2c voltage instead of 5V, solder the connector because the factory missed that step, be bothered to find 4 female to female wires, write initscript to load drivers...
[20:09] <shiftplusone> the init script part doesn't sound right. What's in it?
[20:12] <Ryccardo> basically `echo ds1307 0x68 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/new_device && hwclock --hctosys`
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[20:13] <shiftplusone> ah yeah, that's the part dt would take care of.
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[20:15] <shiftplusone> and there is indeed an overlay for it included (ds1307-rtc-overlay.dtb)
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[20:17] <shiftplusone> although..... i2c-0? seriously? One of the original pis? >_<
[20:18] <Ryccardo> haven't decided yet whether to wire it to the GPIO block or the missing connector just inwards from it
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[20:18] <shiftplusone> gpio is the better option here
[20:19] <shiftplusone> i2c0 is really reserved for the firmware, though that doesn't stop people from using it and then complaining.
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[20:24] <Ryccardo> are 20 cm wires (running in a circle to make them fit into the case) considered too long?
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[20:26] <Bilby> Ryccardo what kind of wires?
[20:27] <Ryccardo> for the I2C bus
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[20:30] <Cheekio> getting more data on the crashing omxplayer
[20:31] <Cheekio> Seriously don't know how to troubleshoot this
[20:31] <Cheekio> running rasbian now
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[20:36] <Bilby> Ryccardo 20cm should be fine
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[20:38] <Anorion> I can't get ubuntu snappy to boot
[20:40] <H__> Anorion: you have the proper CPU version ?
[20:40] <Anorion> I think so
[20:40] <Anorion> dl'd from the pi site
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[20:42] <Anorion> all I get is the rainbow square
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[20:43] <Anorion> re-imaged, gonna try it again
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[20:45] <stevenjames> Anorion what did you use to write the image? dd or UUSBI kind of program?
[20:45] <Anorion> w32imager, same as for raspbian
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[20:48] <stevenjames> you don't have access to a linux terminal?
[20:49] <Anorion> yeah, I guess I can use the pi to do it from raspbian
[20:50] <Anorion> I see the contents fine, though
[20:50] <Cheekio> Just recreated a video crash. Any worthwhile logs to check?
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[20:51] <Cheekio> raspbian here, debugging omx player crashing after 20 minutes of continuous video play. No overheating or undervoltage issues apparent
[20:51] <Ryccardo> Anorion: I assume it doesn't get to any console output, right?
[20:52] <Anorion> yeah
[20:53] <Anorion> but it typically reports errors via popup windows
[20:53] <Cheekio> Xorg.0.log has FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[20:53] <Cheekio> That's weird
[20:53] <Sonny_Jim> That sorta points a finger at screenblanking
[20:54] <Ryccardo> Anorion: so you get to the plymouth bootlogo? (Ubuntu still has that? pfffft)
[20:54] <Cheekio> Yeah, which makes sense with it being on a timeout
[20:54] <Cheekio> Any idea what controls screenblanking?
[20:54] <Xark> I've notice monitor doesn't power down when screen blanks, that is probably why...
[20:54] <Anorion> Ryccardo, no, I just get a colored square and then nothing
[20:54] <Anorion> the video test I think
[20:54] <Sonny_Jim> Ooh, I did manage to figure out how to turn off console screenblanking, no idea about X though
[20:56] <Ryccardo> Sonny_Jim: "xset -dpms" iirc
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[20:57] <Cheekio> I've already set the /etc/kbd/config values for screenblank to 0
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah it's xset
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> xset dpms 0 0 0
[20:58] <Anorion> okay, I can mount all of the partitions of the SD card and everything looks right
[20:58] <Anorion> I'll still re-image it with dd, though
[20:58] <Cheekio> Tried the Xset values
[20:58] <Ryccardo> Anorion: I'd look in cmdline, unfortunately this looks exactly the case where serial access would help
[20:59] <Cheekio> That's hilarious that xsession has a different config than console
[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[20:59] <Jusii> consoleblank=0 to kernel cmdline
[20:59] <Anorion> if this doesn't work, I'll write the raspbian image to it
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[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> Console != Xorg.
[20:59] <Cheekio> But... very promising. This sounds like the source of the issue
[20:59] <Anorion> if THAT doesn't work, then I have a bum SD card
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[20:59] <Sonny_Jim> You could have a one monitor showing the console and another showing Xorg
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> Hell, it's possible to have two monitors, two keyboards+mice and two Xorgs if you wanted to dual-seat a computer
[21:00] <Cheekio> Well, it's hilarious that I thought it was the same
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> You might be able to force a screen blank by doing the following:
[21:01] <Cheekio> I set the console blanking time. I really hope this is it.
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> xset s activate
[21:01] <Cheekio> oooh
[21:01] <Cheekio> I should do that
[21:02] <Ryccardo> Sonny_Jim: on my PC running Mate it turns back on in 1 second, heh
[21:02] <Cheekio> First I'm going to watch Enders Game until it crashes or... well, the end of the movie
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[21:06] <codinho> guys, check my branch https://github.com/ismelykh/gst-omx-deinterlace
[21:06] * ShorTie thinkz, good movie
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[21:24] <Cheekio> Sonny_Jim, the xset commands didn' twork
[21:24] <Cheekio> Do I need to restart xserver?
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[21:27] <Anorion> okay, writing via dd
[21:27] <Anorion> we'll see
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[21:28] <Introducing> happy pi day everyone
[21:28] <Anorion> o/
[21:28] <jamesaxl> hi
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[21:30] <jamesaxl> to turn a mini car in the left or in the right i should give a high speed to the direction where i want to turn the car and low speed to the inverse direction ?
[21:30] <Sonny_Jim> Introducing: What? It's 14/03/2015?
[21:30] <Sonny_Jim> :-p
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[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Never understood the American date layout. It would be like writing time as HH:SS:MM
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[21:32] <Anorion> it confuses us too
[21:33] <paulanto> hi - which distro uses the least ram/cpu? is any of them headless by default?
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> raspbian is headless
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Or rather, doesn't start the X server
[21:34] <paulanto> Sonny_Jim: sounds like my thing
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> TBH they are all much the same in terms of idle RAM/CPU usage unless you are talking about media centre based distros
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[21:36] <Payo_> if you want something minimal you can use the raspbian unattended netinstaller
[21:36] <paulanto> Sonny_Jim: right. I'm using this pi for backup server. ssh, rsync, USB HDD
[21:36] <Payo_> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[21:37] <paulanto> Payo_: cool, but looks like a bit much work for me
[21:37] <paulanto> not quite that power a user (yet?)
[21:37] <Cheekio> Dates should be written YYYY/MM/DD
[21:37] <Cheekio> So they alphabetize correctly
[21:37] <Cheekio> alphabetize *chronologically
[21:37] <Payo_> you just flash the image to the card, power up the pi, wait for it to install everything, and then use it
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> If you aren't too concerned about trying to free up every single MB of storage (and with 32GB cards, who does) then Rasbian is fine for most things
[21:37] <Payo_> doesn't take more knowledge than using raspbian headless
[21:37] <paulanto> Cheekio: ISO says YYYY-MM-DD
[21:37] <Anorion> I agree
[21:38] <Anorion> snappy ubuntu makes my head hurt
[21:38] <Anorion> I did get it working
[21:38] <Anorion> but zomg it's slow
[21:38] <paulanto> Sonny_Jim: it's 8 GB but I need nothing except for the system
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[21:38] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: I suspect US does it that way " to be different". :)
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[21:39] <Payo_> if anything it's easier since you can preinstall the packages you want :P
[21:39] <Cheekio> Messing with xset, do I need to restart x server?
[21:39] <Ryccardo> ↑↑ nope, applies immediately
[21:40] <Anorion> it's trying to copy what we did with DSL, and what Robert is still doing with Tiny Core
[21:40] <paulanto> Payo_: how does that work? never looked at it
[21:40] <Payo_> you flash the image to the sd
[21:40] <Ryccardo> Cheekio: in fact you'll have to repeat it between X launches (add in .xinitrc or whatever)
[21:40] <Payo_> at first boot it downloads and installs a minimal raspbian unattended (you don't have to do anything)
[21:41] <Payo_> then it reboots when it's done and you have ssh access
[21:41] <Payo_> unless you told it not to install networking :P
[21:41] <paulanto> Payo_: ah. but how would I tell it what to install?
[21:41] <Cheekio> Well, xset didn't solve the problem
[21:41] <Cheekio> I'm getting approximately the same timeouts between 1080p video and 720p video
[21:41] <Payo_> you can add that to a file called installer-config.txt
[21:41] <Payo_> check the readme
[21:41] <Payo_> it's pretty simple
[21:41] <Payo_> packages=nano,htop,screen,sudo,etc
[21:42] <Payo_> something like that and it'll install those packages
[21:42] <paulanto> Payo_: sounds real nice
[21:42] <Payo_> it is
[21:42] <Payo_> :)
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[21:42] <Payo_> if you're able to use a headless raspbian you shouldn't have any issues using it
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[21:43] <Payo_> the readme on github is pretty simple to follow :)
[21:44] <paulanto> Payo_: don't have any more hacking time tonight... maybe later
[21:44] <Payo_> :)
[21:44] <paulanto> Payo_: would be great, esp. if you have many pi's, or reinstall often
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[21:45] <paulanto> I reinstall as rarely as possible ,but my Pi crashed
[21:45] <Payo_> hm well it does take more time than just flashing a raspbian image
[21:45] <paulanto> (well... not quite, but anyway...)
[21:45] <paulanto> right
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[21:45] <Payo_> since it has to download all the packages and install them
[21:45] <paulanto> exactl
[21:45] <Payo_> but in the end it takes around 350MB instead of 1 or 2GB :P
[21:45] <paulanto> my network is 100mbit anyway so fast enough
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[21:46] <Payo_> you can install it once and make an image when it has everything you need
[21:46] <Payo_> probably the best solution
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[21:47] <Payo_> you can also install raspi-config to configure stuff like on the official raspbian image
[21:47] <paulanto> Payo_: I did that, with arch-arm, but arch updated itself to hell
[21:47] <Ryccardo> the best solution would be adding a chroot mode to aptitude ;)
[21:48] <paulanto> the best would be to have a machine that never needed fixing
[21:48] <paulanto> backups are boring, so don't want to spend time on it... right??
[21:48] <McBride36> psh never need backups
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[21:49] <Ryccardo> you don't spend time (apart from installing a program), the computer does (and so do your ears, if you use the same HDD as mine)!
[21:49] <paulanto> McBride36: just encrypt it all and push it to github?....
[21:49] <Encrypt> +1
[21:49] <Encrypt> :þ
[21:49] * McBride36 shudders
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[21:51] <Ryccardo> http://raspberrypi-hacks.com/7/turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-fm-transmitter-hack-radio-frequencies/
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[22:01] <rschulman> Is there anything that would cause a reboot cycle (raspberry pi logo in the top left, full screen rainbow box, little red box in the top right, then reboot) other than a bad power supply?
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[22:01] <rschulman> My RPI is doing that but I've tried a bunch of different power supplies and cables in various combinations.
[22:02] <giddles> simple things? forgetten cronjob?
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[22:03] <rschulman> cronjob? Wha? its not even getting to loading the OS.
[22:03] <ShorTie> how many amp power adapter do you have ??
[22:04] <ShorTie> got any usb devices attached ??
[22:04] <rschulman> ShorTie: They vary. Do you know how much the RPI needs? I think one was 1.2 amps or something?
[22:04] <rschulman> just a keyboard
[22:04] <Payo_> it's usually a good idea to have one rated for 2A
[22:04] <ShorTie> what model pi ??
[22:04] <Payo_> since they don't always supply as much as they say they do
[22:04] <rschulman> Hm, ok, that may be one problem.
[22:04] <rschulman> ShorTie: Oh, sorry, its a B
[22:05] <ShorTie> that 1.2amp should be fine then
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[22:05] <ShorTie> B, do you have a multi-meter ??
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[22:06] <rschulman> I don't
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[22:07] <ShorTie> ok, and this is on a fresh image right ??
[22:08] <ShorTie> from http://downloads.raspberrypi.org ??
[22:09] <rschulman> its the snappy ubuntu image from here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[22:09] <rschulman> Flashed using Pi Filler on a mac.
[22:10] <rschulman> and yes, freshly imaged.
[22:10] <ShorTie> hit more info, Pi Version supported: Pi 2 only
[22:11] <mete> check_mk detect 24 cores on the PI B+ :DDD OK - 15min load 0.19 at 24 CPUs
[22:12] <Anorion> rschulman, I have no idea why, but it takes my pi2 like, 90s to get past the rainbow square
[22:12] <rschulman> lolwat
[22:12] <Anorion> for snappy ubuntu
[22:12] <Xark> Anorion: Wow, that is excessive. Something needing a lot of retries or something...
[22:12] <rschulman> that's kinda info that maybe shouldn't be hidden behind "more info" :)
[22:13] <rschulman> but thank you, I'll try the raspbian image instead.
[22:13] <Anorion> snappy is super early beta anyway, so maybe it's just a bug
[22:13] <mete> raspian is working great here out of the box :D
[22:13] <Anorion> but yeah, I like raspbian better anyway
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[22:16] <Mr_Sheesh> sparkfun has RPi model B's on sale today for $25, FYI
[22:17] <Anorion> sold out hours ago
[22:20] <Mr_Sheesh> huh
[22:22] <Xark> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11546 "Not available for backorder"
[22:22] <ShorTie> novel way to get rid of NOS
[22:24] <Mr_Sheesh> Hey, for some embedded things its quite enough processor
[22:24] <Mr_Sheesh> they'd had 5 in stock when I mentioned it; all gone now. Maybe they found a case in some corner, IDK
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[22:24] <McBride36> i'm using them at work as an embedded platform
[22:24] <McBride36> solid enough
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[22:25] <ShorTie> didn't say it was a bad product
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[22:26] <Mr_Sheesh> I dunno if I want to inventory SFE's warehouse :P I have 2 here running as embedded controllers, they're stabler than WinXP laptops & smaller / less power needed. I'mn hoping the newer ones can use even less power for slow cpu only type projects
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[22:28] <chars6> hey
[22:28] <chars6> i just bought an rpi2
[22:29] <chars6> is there any reason i'd want to buy new license keys?
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[22:29] <chars6> for mpeg and vc1?
[22:30] <Xark> If you care about those codecs. They are tied to serial #, so need new ones.
[22:30] <chars6> hmm
[22:30] <chars6> so that;s why it's choking on hd videos
[22:31] <chars6> Xark: when i entered the codes though, it said they were accepted
[22:31] <chars6> Xark: or something along those lines... no error at least
[22:32] <Xark> chars6: Well, that is what I have read. I haven't used any non-default codecs personally.
[22:32] <Cheekio> Well, it's not blanking or dpms settings
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[22:33] <chars6> everything else has been really snappy
[22:33] <Anorion> hmm, I should get the codecs, I guess
[22:33] <Cheekio> I turned everything off, and it still crashes every 20 minutes
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[22:37] * Xark doesn't have too many videos - and the ones he has are mp4 (or transcoded to that).
[22:37] <Ryccardo> ^
[22:38] <Anorion> I have a lot of mpeg2, but mostly xvid
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[22:46] <jamesaxl> i made my 1st car robot , but i can not drive it for a long distance :), cause rasp can not be alive with batteries
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[22:47] <H__> jamesaxl: do you have a photo of it online ?
[22:48] <jamesaxl> H__: of course no , but i can make it
[22:48] <H__> i'll wait :)
[22:48] <jamesaxl> H__: i meant the raspberry power
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[22:49] <H__> jamesaxl: oh sorry, i meant the car robot
[22:49] <chars6> i do a lot of streaming videos
[22:49] <chars6> got a 20 foot ethernet cable with the new pi
[22:49] <chars6> figured that would help. the wifi dongle wasn't slow, but this should still be a step up
[22:50] <chars6> whats this about a car robot?
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[22:58] <NGC3982> So..
[22:58] <NGC3982> I'm going out on a limb here
[22:59] <NGC3982> But will there be non-laggy N64 on the RPI2?
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[23:05] <Xark> From what I have seen PSX still has a bit of trouble, so not sure about N64....
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[23:09] <NGC3982> Xark: ;_;
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[23:10] <Xark> NGC3982: Have you seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNlSK4v0kBI
[23:10] <Xark> "RetroPie: Raspberry Pi Speed test RPi 1 vs RPi 2 - N64 games"
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[23:12] <NGC3982> Oh
[23:12] <NGC3982> Ill take a look
[23:12] <Xark> Mario 64 isn't looking too horrible.. (near 48:00 mark)
[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> N64 is notoriously difficult to emulate
[23:12] <McBride36> why is that?
[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> The Pi1 could play *some* PSX games at a reasonable speed though
[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> Can't remember off hand
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> Lemme ask the MESS guys
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[23:14] <ali1234> it was notoriously difficult to emulate according to fanboys who claimed it would never be possible right up until the first n64 emulator was released
[23:14] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[23:14] <Xark> McBride36: Probably just faster. ~100MHz 64-bit CPU vs 32-bit 33MHz on PSX. Also more 3D stuff for N64. AFAIK, only "High-Level Emulation" works (because GPU too wacky to emulate),
[23:14] <Ryccardo> interestingly, N64 and PS1 emulators came extremely quickly compared to real console's launch
[23:16] * Xark did a fair bit of commercial development on N64 - fun system to code for. :)
[23:17] <Ryccardo> Xark: better than the saturn, eh?
[23:17] <Sonny_Jim> Emulating three games (Goldeneye, Mario Kart + SM64) != cycle accurate emulator ;-)
[23:18] <ali1234> f-zero needs cycle accurate emulation though
[23:18] <ali1234> (to play replays correctly)
[23:18] <elec64> Got a question for you folks - I may be served better in ##networking perhaps, but - how would I get my pi to automatically contact a computer I'm intending to use to work on it?
[23:18] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: No. As I mentioned I don't think any emulators for N64 emulated the "Reality Coprocessor" [*rolls-eyes* at the name]
[23:19] <elec64> e.g. they are both on the same network, lets assume for now
[23:19] <Encrypt> elec64, What do you mean by "contact"?
[23:19] <elec64> I'd prefer not to use reverse ssh or anything
[23:19] <Sonny_Jim> ping remote_ip ;-)
[23:19] <elec64> Encrypt: so I just need its IP address and I can ssh into it...but I needs its ip address
[23:19] <elec64> Sonny_Jim: and I can't do that, no
[23:19] <Sonny_Jim> Xark: At least it wasn't called the "Emotion Engine"
[23:20] <Xark> Ryccardo: Heh, I avoided that one - and Jaguar (but have heard some tales). :)
[23:20] <elec64> lots of computers on the network, so I don't want to be pinging them and that might take a long time.
[23:20] <Encrypt> elec64, nmap?
[23:20] <Xark> Sonny_Jim: Hehe, that one is ridiculous too. :)
[23:20] <Sonny_Jim> So, instead of "contact", you want to know remotely what IP your Pi has taken?
[23:20] <Sonny_Jim> Do you want the local IP or the NAT IP?
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[23:21] <McBride36> elec64, if you've got an android phone, you can use a app called Fing to find all Ip addresses of devices on the network
[23:21] <Sonny_Jim> Or you can just look up the router DHCP table
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[23:22] <elec64> McBride36, Encrypt: nmap and pinging programs alike are unacceptable solutions
[23:22] <elec64> That's why I said 'contact'
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[23:22] <H__> elec64: why not a reverse ssh tunnel ? at least to find out the IP address ?
[23:22] <Encrypt> <elec64> I'd prefer not to use reverse ssh or anything
[23:23] <elec64> H__: because that's a fairly clunky solution which requires maintaining a server just for the reverse ssh connection
[23:23] <Sonny_Jim> elec64: Are you on the same LAN?
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[23:23] <elec64> Sonny_Jim: yeah, more or less
[23:23] <Sonny_Jim> ....
[23:23] <Encrypt> So, no ping nor SSH...
[23:23] <Sonny_Jim> Be specific
[23:23] <Encrypt> s/no/neither
[23:23] <Sonny_Jim> Do you want the LAN address or the NAT address?
[23:23] <Encrypt> <Sonny_Jim> Be specific // +1
[23:23] <elec64> Sonny_Jim: I can be specific, but you'll need to give me time to explain...
[23:23] <Ryccardo> I actually use IRC /whois to find out my home computer's IP over the internet :)
[23:23] <Sonny_Jim> Then explain
[23:23] <H__> elec64: then perhaps find the mac address in the dhcp server logs to find the ip it got assigned ?
[23:24] <McBride36> buy an lcd screen and program it to always display the current IP!
[23:24] <elec64> McBride36: again, clunky
[23:24] <Encrypt> Eh eh :D
[23:24] <McBride36> not really. it's like 5 lines of code
[23:24] <Encrypt> McBride36, A Raspberry Pi with an LCD shield
[23:24] <elec64> McBride36: and one lcd screen
[23:24] <McBride36> I2C
[23:24] <Sonny_Jim> You still haven't said if you want the local or NAT address
[23:24] <elec64> QUIET
[23:24] <elec64> ok
[23:25] <elec64> I want the local address
[23:25] <elec64> not the nat address
[23:25] <elec64> and I don't have control over the router (I can't assume that I have control over it)
[23:25] <elec64> plus, its not always the same network
[23:25] <H__> and you don't want to have to keep a server up to receive any info. well good luck on that
[23:25] <elec64> and i can't even guarantee that the network architecture is the same
[23:25] <Sonny_Jim> So, you are doing something nefarious with it then?
[23:25] <elec64> Sonny_Jim: not at all
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[23:26] <elec64> I just use this on different networks and want an easy way to connect.
[23:26] <Ryccardo> make a program which beeps out the IP in morse code :P
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[23:26] <Sonny_Jim> There's an app that will Text-to-speech the IP through the audio card
[23:26] <elec64> That isn't complicated by clunky solutions like LCD or Reverse SSH, and no Ryccardo, I'm not looking for silly solutions either
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[23:27] <McBride36> LCD isn't clunky at all
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[23:27] <elec64> McBride36: 35$, 2 days shipping fees, and installation of a new kernel says otherwise
[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> Or you can sniff the network and look for the Pi's MAC address using erm, arp_something
[23:27] <Ryccardo> I got mine for 7 € and some hours of soldering
[23:27] <McBride36> a 16x2 screen?
[23:27] <McBride36> it's like...3 dollars
[23:28] <elec64> I AM looking for sort of network solution, but I dont' nkow what I'm looking for. There is SMB, but that's a pain and a hassle to install/setup
[23:28] <elec64> you need to run a domain controller and all that.
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[23:28] <Sonny_Jim> So, your use case is this: You plug your Pi into a LAN, you want to know what IP address the Pi has taken?
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> Without using a screen or ssh?
[23:29] <Ryccardo> hm? why just run it in workgroup mode? (and wouldn't running SSH be easier anyway?)
[23:29] <elec64> Sonny_Jim: pretty much, with the caveat that I want to know from the computer, not, from the pi
[23:29] <Encrypt> I AM looking for sort of network solution, but I dont' know what I'm looking for // Fear :x
[23:29] <Ryccardo> oh: Avahi?
[23:29] <muriani> watch the DHCP server?
[23:29] <elec64> Ryccardo: Avahi will do this?
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> elec64: So plugging in a pair of headphones isn't possible?
[23:30] <codestorm> hi all. I tried using pi-gpio node.js module to get GPIO to work, but failed. I ran the example code... tried turning all the GPIOs on, but no luck. The methods don't complain, I'm just not getting power out of the GPIO pins
[23:30] <elec64> Sonny_Jim: its not that it isn't possible, but its not a network solution
[23:30] <Ryccardo> elec64: it will surely give you a direct connection, at least on Mac OS it can be used through DNS ({hostname}.local)
[23:30] <Encrypt> I dont understand what elec64 is trying to do, I think...
[23:30] <codestorm> it's a Pi2 btw
[23:31] <elec64> Ryccardo: I'll look into Avahi then, thanks
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[23:32] <elec64> although that sounds like it might be as clunky as SMB
[23:32] <elec64> at least I have options :)
[23:32] <Ryccardo> elec64: you'd definitely need it on both computers, indeed
[23:33] <elec64> Ryccardo: one of the reasons SMB is a bad solution is that it doesn't work well accross host OS - have you ever tried to setup a domain controller, or connect a linux box to a windows AD server?
[23:33] <elec64> Or figure out why your Windows box doesn't see the linux SMB server?
[23:33] <elec64> So maybe Avahi is simpler.
[23:33] <Ryccardo> elec64: no, and I don't want to :)
[23:34] <elec64> Also SMB is a full fledged file serving protocol (among other things) so its really heavyweight, another reason why its a terrible solution
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[23:34] <Sonny_Jim> elec64: Ping the broadcast address (so 192.168.1.255 or whatever), then run arp -a
[23:34] <Ryccardo> http://i61.tinypic.com/10rle3b.png looks like Avahi will do! (there's also a command line client I think)
[23:34] <Sonny_Jim> Look for the Pi's MAC address in the output
[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> No external services needed
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[23:35] <McBride36> Sonny_Jim, only if you're on the same LAN though right?
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[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> That's the use case elec64 gave me
[23:36] <elec64> I would give up and use Reverse SSH if I was doing this accross LANs
[23:36] <elec64> I just want it on the local LAN.
[23:36] <Sonny_Jim> Another option would be to setup the SSH server on a nonstandard port (1337 or whatever) and then do an nmap scan of the LAN of that port
[23:36] <McBride36> okay so both would be on the same network just it's not always a consistent network
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[23:36] <elec64> McBride36: yes
[23:37] <McBride36> go with broadcast then
[23:38] <elec64> McBride36: yeah, broadcast is what Avahi/SMB do under the covers, but its really, really hacky and generally not a good idea.
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[23:38] <y007ghg7> my god my led panel is still so fun to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC1P5BfVe5Q
[23:39] <Ryccardo> y007ghg7: amateur, go with a Rubens Tube :p
[23:39] <Encrypt> y007ghg7, Party hard \o/
[23:39] <y007ghg7> :P
[23:39] <y007ghg7> that projet is still in very early prototyping
[23:39] <McBride36> looks sweet
[23:39] <y007ghg7> WS2801 leds are expensive....
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[23:40] <Encrypt> Especially the three-colours ones
[23:41] <y007ghg7> the LEDs I use are $25 for a strand of 50 waterproof ones...
[23:41] <Sonny_Jim> There are expensive because they are individually addressable
[23:41] <y007ghg7> yep
[23:41] <Sonny_Jim> You can can get cheap RGB strips that can change colour
[23:41] <y007ghg7> they aren't very fun though :P
[23:41] <McBride36> i got one of those, i think i might make an ambilight clone with it
[23:42] <y007ghg7> i think there is n XBMC plugin to let me use these leds as an ambilight clone
[23:42] <y007ghg7> never looked much into it though
[23:43] <y007ghg7> heh, I actually sent that video into a DJ company I am trying to apply for
[23:43] <y007ghg7> if I can get the job they pay $35 an hour
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