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IRC Log for 2015-03-15

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[0:15] <Cheekio> Are any mods on the RPI forums on this chat?
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[0:15] <Cheekio> Just asking for a speedy allow/deny on my first post, I've been dealing with this issue for days and I only have like 18 hours a week of free time.
[0:15] <Cheekio> Starting, like, 12 hours ago.
[0:16] <ShorTie> what is your problem ??
[0:16] <Cheekio> omxplayer dies after about 20 minutes
[0:16] <Cheekio> It's pretty consistently 20 minutes. Across RPI2's, video files, tvs, and distros
[0:16] <Cheekio> And it's not an undervoltage issue
[0:17] <Cheekio> Right now I'm debugging on raspbian but if was evident on kodi
[0:17] <ShorTie> the best way to search the forums is with google with site:raspberrypi.org
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[0:18] <ShorTie> nothing in any of the logs ??
[0:19] <Cheekio> Not in kern.log, syslog, dmesg, or omxplayer's -g log
[0:19] <ShorTie> in /var/logs
[0:19] <Cheekio> Yeah
[0:19] <Cheekio> Xorg.0.log had...
[0:20] <ShorTie> this is with wifi ??
[0:20] <Cheekio> FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[0:20] <Cheekio> But then I went and turned off blankscreen via xset
[0:20] <Cheekio> and the energysaver settings
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[0:21] <Cheekio> and the BLANK_TIME values in /etc/kbd/config as well as the power down time
[0:21] <Cheekio> It is wifi
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[0:21] <Cheekio> I think I downloaded something to the sd card and recreated it, but I need to retry to confirm
[0:22] <Cheekio> omxplayer's output gave "Did not recieve a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.have a nice day ;)
[0:24] <ShorTie> maybe try googling 'debian disable screen blank', i see some answers, but i'd just be repeating them, so....
[0:24] <Cheekio> Yeah, I disabled it for console and for xserver
[0:25] <Cheekio> And I tested it against forcing the screen blank and powersave settings, couldn't cause omxplayer to crash
[0:25] <ShorTie> with 'FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted' it does seem like a blanking problem
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[0:25] <Cheekio> you can 'xset s activate' to blank the screen
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[0:31] <ShorTie> might try looking around here http://forums.kali.org/
[0:32] <ShorTie> thats about the best i can do having never used it myself
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[0:48] <Cheekio> Woo! My post is on the rpi forums
[0:49] <Cheekio> I stopped and restarted Archer about 5 minutes into the show, and it didn't crash at all through the end
[0:49] <Cheekio> I may have the solution to this problem
[0:49] <Cheekio> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=104055
[0:49] <Cheekio> If I solved it, it's pretty much the lamest solution.
[0:50] <Cheekio> It's like, you'd read through all the debug steps and say, 'man, he knows what he's doing' and then you'd see the reply where I solved my own problem and be like 'man, what a moron'
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[1:01] <be_> Out of curiosity, why can't QEMU boot Pidora's kernel? Why must I download a kernel from http://xecdesign.com/downloads/linux-qemu/kernel-qemu to run my Pidora SD card in an emulator?
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[1:19] <plugwash> be_, because standard qemu builds don't emulate a pi
[1:19] <be_> ah
[1:20] <plugwash> they can emulate a system that has the same CPU and the same amount of memory as the pi but the similarities between the emulated system and the pi pretty much end there so a different kernel is needed
[1:20] <be_> what else needs to be the same?
[1:20] <plugwash> IIRC someone did try to make a version of qemu with a pi emulation mode, I don't recall how far they got
[1:21] <plugwash> arm systems are not like PCs
[1:22] <be_> I don't know much about emulation, but I'd think that the CPU, memory, and a way to access the storage of a host would be the minimum necessary
[1:22] <plugwash> on PCs there is a stanard platform. Devices are either found at standard addresses or placed on enumeratable busses with the enumeration registers for the root PCI bus in a standard location
[1:23] <McBride36> maybe i'm dumb, but is it emulating an ARM system? or just a computer that has the same specs as the pi?
[1:23] <plugwash> On arm systems every SoC vendor choses a different selection of hardware and puts it at different addresses on a non-enumeratable busses
[1:24] <be_> oh, so do ARM kernels have to have the addresses of every piece of hardware compiled into them?
[1:25] <plugwash> In most cases yes, when compiling a kernel you specify a "platform" which tells the kernel what the core devices are and where to find them
[1:25] <stevenjames> is there an irc channel where i can just talk shit to random people?
[1:26] <be_> stevenjames: I'm sure there are on other networks. I'm not sure about Freenode...
[1:26] <plugwash> There has been some work on supporting multiple platforms in the same kernel but it's still relatively new stuff
[1:26] <be_> plugwash: okay. that makes sense why QEMU would have to be modified to exactly emulate the Pi
[1:27] <McBride36> stevenjames, what do you mean? just like talk about random stuff?
[1:27] <stevenjames> i tried troll and talkshit and everything. i love learning about my pi and linux and networks, but sometimes i just want to talk shit to random people hahahaha
[1:28] <McBride36> it's for an online webgame but you're welcome to do that within reason at a channel i am in, #tagpro
[1:28] <McBride36> having said that, i just realized online and webgame is redunant
[1:29] <be_> plugwash: so is that also why there are different builds of CyanogenMod for every Android device it supports?
[1:29] <plugwash> yeah
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[1:29] <stevenjames> hahahaha that's funny, sometimes i just want to go in on random people who will talk crazy back. i didn't know i there was a channel for that STRICTLY
[1:29] <be_> thanks for explaining. The universe makes sense again.
[1:29] <stevenjames> *if
[1:35] <be_> found the modified QEMU: https://github.com/Torlus/qemu/tree/rpi
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[1:35] <be_> I found a forum thread saying it works with older Raspbian kernels. Ionno if it'd work with Pidora
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[2:30] <Froolap> when do we get a pi with usb3 and sata??
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[2:38] <ali1234> some time after we get a DSI display board and a model A+2
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[2:45] <jamesaxl> is it necessary to you use diode and transistor with motors drivers
[2:45] <McBride36> yes
[2:48] <jamesaxl> McBride36: even with chips
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[2:50] * jamesd_ bought his pi 2 B today... gotta love pi day sales...
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[2:55] <Qwertie> Where does raspbian store the bash history file? My home dir only has the pistore file
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[3:09] <methuzla> Qwertie try .bash_history
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[3:09] <PixelFilth> .bash_history in your home folder (its a hidden file like all . files so use "ls -a" to see it listed)
[3:10] <Qwertie> PixelFilth, Ah, I didn't realize hidden files where hidden from ls
[3:10] <PixelFilth> :)
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[3:13] <Cheekio> Anyone interested in a debugging challenge, check out this awesome problem I'm running into: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=104055
[3:13] <methuzla> check value of HISTFILE in case you using something other than default
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[3:30] <queuetue> Hello, first time raspi user, (pi2, model b, raspbian 7) I'm trying to use hcitool to list bluetooth devices, and nothing is showing even though I have my iphone showing "device is discoverable". lsusb shows my dongle, and hcitool dev shows a MAC. Where do I go from there to troubleshoot this?
[3:31] <queuetue> lsusb shows Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI Mode)
[3:33] <queuetue> hcitool lescan returns "Set scan parameters failed: Input/Output error"
[3:34] <methuzla> what about just hcitool scan
[3:35] <queuetue> methuzla: It scans, but returns nothing.
[3:36] <methuzla> check bluetooth service is running: sudo service bluetooth status
[3:36] <queuetue> Not running - should I start it?
[3:37] <methuzla> i think so
[3:38] <queuetue> hcitool can still comes back with nothing, unfortunately, but the service shows as running now.
[3:38] <queuetue> (can/scan)
[3:38] <methuzla> not sure then, maybe need to do something on iphone?
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[3:39] <queuetue> I've got a number of BT services running nearby - speakers, keyboard, computer, iphone - one of them should be showing, I would think. I think it's a pi problem.
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[3:42] <methuzla> don't those have some kind of pairing button that must be pressed?
[3:43] <queuetue> The keyboard, I keep refreshing, the computer and the phone are both showing "discoverable" and the speakers are just opportunistic.
[3:44] <queuetue> So you think the pi is working, it's an external problem?
[3:45] <McBride36> so nothing is showing up?
[3:46] <queuetue> Nothing is showing in scan, no.
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[3:47] <queuetue> Interestingly enough, the computer can see the pi.
[3:48] <McBride36> via bluetooth?
[3:48] <queuetue> McBride36: Yes.
[3:50] <queuetue> Not good - when I try to connect to it from the computer, wlan0 went down.
[3:50] <queuetue> (In bluetooth manager on mac)
[3:52] <methuzla> what did you mean by "The keyboard, I keep refreshing"?
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[3:53] <queuetue> There's a button on it that tells it to be available for pairing, I keep pushing it so it's ready to pair before doing a scan.
[3:54] <methuzla> i'd expect that to show something on the pi
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[3:59] <queuetue> So it's either something wrong with the dongle, the pi, the software, or the external devices and there isn't much I can do to figure out which?
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[4:03] <methuzla> with the mac seeing the pi, it seems like the dongle is at least functional
[4:04] <methuzla> try turning off "discoverable" on your iphone, then turning it back on, then doing a scan
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[4:10] <queuetue> methuzla: That did it.
[4:11] <queuetue> Thanks.
[4:12] <methuzla> no prob. glad it worked.
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[4:15] <queuetue> So, it works, but the communication it to poor for real use.
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[4:15] <queuetue> I wonder if a higher end bt dongle would make a difference.
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[4:19] <Anorion> whoa
[4:19] <Anorion> I should have bought this --> http://www.woot.com/offers/pny-16gb-class-10-microsd-card-3-pack-2?ref=cnt_wp_8_17
[4:19] <Anorion> but I already bought several >_>
[4:19] <McBride36> accidentally corrupt yours, then you have an excuse to buy more
[4:20] <queuetue> Well, it worked once, but never again.
[4:20] <Anorion> queuetue, all I have are a couple of ancient BT 2.0 dongles
[4:20] <Anorion> they work /okay/
[4:21] <Anorion> even the $.99 one from Meritline
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[4:23] <Anorion> but I'm thinking about getting a new bt 4.0 one
[4:23] <McBride36> if you have the money, coudln't hurt
[4:23] <Anorion> They're just like, $10
[4:24] <Anorion> http://smile.amazon.com/Kinivo-BTD-400-Bluetooth-4-0-adapter/dp/B007Q45EF4/
[4:24] <Anorion> $14
[4:24] <queuetue> How do you know if it works well with the raspi?
[4:24] <queuetue> This is the one I have: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arc-shaped-Bluetooth-USB-2-0-Dongle-Adapter-for-Raspberry-Pi-/251676571272?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9917b688
[4:25] <Anorion> queuetue, reviews
[4:25] <Anorion> if it works with Linux, it'll probably work anyway
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[4:44] <Anorion> oshi
[4:44] <Anorion> I just remembered
[4:44] <Anorion> I have two really nice breadboards from a dumster dive
[4:44] <Anorion> dumpster*
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[4:46] <McBride36> i want one of those super big ones
[4:46] <McBride36> the size of a standard sheet of paper
[4:46] <Anorion> I have two of those :P
[4:47] <McBride36> jealous
[4:47] <McBride36> last time i got to use one, was back in my arduino class, made wireless tic tac toe
[4:48] <Anorion> http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-9440-Breadboard-JW-350-Jumper/dp/B0002H4W0U <--- one of these
[4:48] <McBride36> yeah, exactly that
[4:49] <Anorion> http://www.tequipment.net/Elenco9438.html <--- one of these
[4:49] <Anorion> maybe two
[4:49] <McBride36> seriously? 30 bucks for those?
[4:49] <McBride36> that's nuts
[4:49] <Anorion> one of them has all sorts of chips from the previouos owner
[4:49] <Anorion> I have no idea what they are
[4:50] <McBride36> i bet you have a couple shift registers or multiplexers on there
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[4:54] <Anorion> probably
[4:55] <Anorion> I ought to look them up
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[4:56] <Anorion> 2x IR2110
[4:56] <Anorion> some kind of rectifier?
[4:57] <Anorion> 2x mc3302p
[4:57] <Anorion> "quad comparator"?
[4:57] <Anorion> whatever that is
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[4:58] <Anorion> couple of tl084b amplifiers
[4:59] <Anorion> and a lm384n audio amplifier
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[4:59] <Anorion> so someone was doing some audio signal processing, I guess
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[6:46] <advx_> Hello Good Morning all, have a great sunday...
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[9:42] <jasabella> hi :)
[9:42] <shiftplusone> hi
[9:43] <jasabella> in theory, you could both power your raspberrypi via usb and talk to it via a twisted pair ethernet cable from the same computer right?
[9:44] <shiftplusone> If I understood you right, yes.
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[9:44] <Kunsi> if you usb port can supply enough power, yes
[9:44] <shiftplusone> though you generally wouldn't want to power the pi via usb.
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[9:44] <jasabella> hmmm... why is that?
[9:45] <shiftplusone> because at higher loads, some usb ports won't be able to put out enough current.
[9:45] <jasabella> i understand that 1.2-2A is preferred
[9:45] <jasabella> yep
[9:45] <shiftplusone> or rather put out enough voltage, I should say.
[9:45] <jasabella> 5V hmmm
[9:46] <jasabella> what about usb ports designed to charge devices? the always on ones
[9:46] <shiftplusone> depends on the implementation.
[9:46] <jasabella> set the rpi to use the wifi as the gateway
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[9:46] <jasabella> i suppose i'll have to read specs
[9:47] <shiftplusone> devices which get charged don't care too much about the voltage, so chargers can get away with putting out something like 4.5v... the pi wouldn't like that.
[9:48] <jasabella> wow that's like 10% less than the nominal voltage, it's that bad?
[9:49] <ShorTie> they are only charging like a 3.7v cell so....
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[9:51] <ShorTie> preferred power http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
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[10:03] <shiftplusone> jasabella, it's bad for the pi, but not bad for a phone. The phone will have its own regulator to drop the voltage further than that anyway.
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[10:08] <ali1234> making the model A appear as a bus powered CDC ethernet device... now that would be good
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[10:13] <Kunsi> shiftplusone: apple usb chargers work very well with raspi, plus supply up to 1.2A
[10:14] <shiftplusone> Kunsi, not all. The US 'cube'-ey versions are known to be bad.
[10:14] <shiftplusone> http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
[10:15] <Kunsi> hm, okay. european version work well (those shaped like a plug)
[10:15] <shiftplusone> yup
[10:15] <Kunsi> http://themetro.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/apple-usb-power-adapter-netzteil-weiss_z1.jpg <- those
[10:15] <shiftplusone> Oh, I haven't even seen those ones
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[10:16] <shiftplusone> seems like a challenge to cram a decent supply in there.
[10:16] <Kunsi> https://www.apple.com/de/power-adapters/ <- ipad ones supply even more power
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[10:19] <shiftplusone> Kunsi, looks like the one you linked earlier is only good to 0.5A
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[10:20] <shiftplusone> http://lygte-info.dk/pic/USB%20PS%20test/3/USB%20PS%20%233%20load%20sweep.png
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[10:20] <shiftplusone> http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/usbPowerSupplyTest%20UK.html
[10:21] <shiftplusone> lol.... people who buy cheap supplies off ebay.... http://lygte-info.dk/pic/USB%20PS%20test/2/USB%20PS%20%232%20load%20sweep.png
[10:21] <ShorTie> speaking of power, you ever try that new toy ??
[10:21] <shiftplusone> yeah, it has come in handy. Haven't checked how accurate it is, but seems to be in the right ballpark.
[10:21] <Kunsi> shiftplusone: that's not apple, that's ebay fake
[10:21] <ShorTie> Cool
[10:22] <Kunsi> http://lygte-info.dk/pic/USB%20PS%20test/3/DSC_1147.jpg
[10:22] <shiftplusone> Kunsi, ah
[10:22] <shiftplusone> can't find a teardown for the original
[10:23] <Kunsi> apple one goes up to 0.19A on primary side, which (theoretically) should be way more than 1A on DC side
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[10:23] <shiftplusone> wow... that ioncell one looks great.
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[10:24] <shiftplusone> though it seems to die at 3A without trying to save itself =/
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[11:51] <paowz_> hi there !
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[11:52] <paowz_> I'm new to raspberry world and just got a rpi 2.. I retrieved Snappy img to test it out.. and have some questions..
[11:52] <MY123> paowz_, use true #ubuntu
[11:52] <MY123> see @wintrmute on the RPF forums
[11:52] <paowz_> sorry ?
[11:55] <MY123> paowz_, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=98997
[11:55] <paowz_> I'm glancing at first partition, showing dtb and many config files.. leaving me thinking the following tuto http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/linux/kernel/building.md not sufficient at all..
[11:55] <paowz_> MY123, ok, I see thanks.
[11:55] <MY123> paowz_, don't use Snappy if you want something useful, at least for #now
[11:55] <ShorTie> he is talking about the forums @ http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/
[11:56] <paowz_> MY123, why not Snappy ? This is the img provided on RPI website..
[11:56] <MY123> paowz_, too few packages
[11:56] <MY123> paowz_, and not even a GUI
[11:57] <ShorTie> snappy is @ 'alpha-02', so it hasn't even made it to a beta version yet
[11:57] <MY123> no Clang, no GCC, no...
[11:57] <paowz_> ok, thanks MY123..
[11:57] * Tachyon` is now known as Tach[Away]
[11:58] <paowz_> ..and do you believe TTL console still available ? http://elinux.org/File:Adafruit-connection.jpg
[11:58] * ShorTie don't understand why they would put 'alpha' versions on the download page anyways
[11:58] <MY123> paowz_, depends, not by default as I know
[11:58] <MY123> (HATs)
[11:59] <paowz_> MY123, how do you reach your device, once flashed ?? SSH ?
[12:00] <MY123> paowz_, HDMI+USB or SSH on IPv4/IPv6 on Ethernet
[12:01] <GentileBen> yo ShorTie
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[12:06] <ShorTie> Good Morning
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[12:08] <ali1234> Gadgetoid: there's a spelling mistake on your site. also, when are you going to get 2x20 stacking headers?
[12:10] <ali1234> "for 10% of all orders"
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[12:13] <heller\> hello
[12:13] <shiftplusone> paowz_, you'll need to copy the arch/arm/boot/dts/*dtb files into the correct places on boot after compiling and also pass the kernel through mkknlimg
[12:13] <heller\> is there a reason why all tutorials say that dht22 and ds18b20 goes to GPIO4?
[12:14] <shiftplusone> going to guess those are 1 wire devices and 1 wire is on gpio4 by default?
[12:14] <heller\> but i can change it can i?
[12:15] <shiftplusone> yeah, I believe it's a dt parameter.
[12:15] <heller\> but just wondering why on default, they are on the same pin
[12:15] <heller\> lots of users have dht22 and ds18b20 on same raspberry
[12:15] <heller\> isnt it frustrating to keep on them on same pin by default :)
[12:15] <paowz_> hi shiftplusone ! Thanks for the tip. Do you have any link referring to documentation regarding this ?
[12:16] <shiftplusone> paowz_, nope, it's a new thing, but feel free to ask if something's unclear.
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[12:17] <shiftplusone> heller\, I don't know if the pi will do 1 wire devices on different pins. AFAIK, it's bit-banged, but I don't know if it supports multiple devices...
[12:17] <shiftplusone> but yeah, I don't know... haven't used w1 on the pi.
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[12:18] <shiftplusone> paowz_, https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/blob/master/mkimage/mkknlimg
[12:19] <paowz_> thanks.
[12:19] <shiftplusone> so you'd run something like ./mkknlimg arch/arm/boot/zImage /media/piboot/kernel7.img, for example.
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[12:19] <heller\> but i can use for example GPIO14 which is UART_TXD for dht22?
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[12:20] <shiftplusone> don't know
[12:20] <paowz_> shiftplusone, I saw kernel7.img on snappy first partition.. why this suffix ?? why 7 ?
[12:20] <MY123> paowz_, ARMv7
[12:20] <paowz_> ok..
[12:21] <shiftplusone> paowz_, pi 2 loads kernel7.img, pi1 loads kernel.img
[12:21] <shiftplusone> but pi 2 will fallback to kernel.img as well.
[12:21] <ShorTie> that makes sense, i was wondering too....
[12:21] <shiftplusone> and of course there's config.txt, which can override those setting if you need to.
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[12:22] <MY123> ShorTie, it is also worth noting that RISC OS has one image compatible with Pi1 and Pi2 at the same time
[12:22] <paowz_> does mkknlimg take care of initrd like mkbootimg would do on Radxa platform (for those who know..)
[12:22] <ShorTie> really, interesting
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[12:23] <shiftplusone> paowz_, not sure what you mean by 'take care of initrd'
[12:24] <shiftplusone> afaik, it just adds a trailer to the kernel to make it work with device tree. Works if there's an initramfs baked in or not.
[12:24] <hagbard_> Does anyone know how userland dma works for the Pi2 ? I try getting pifm to work, but i don't know where to start with changing the dma stuff.
[12:24] <hagbard_> Or does someone have an old version of pifm without dma?
[12:25] <paowz_> I assume kernel won't do anything if it doesn't come with an initrd img.. I might be wrong, reading your lines..
[12:25] <shiftplusone> paowz_, it will work just fine without initrd.
[12:25] <MY123> paowz_, it can load the rootfs directly
[12:25] <MY123> (if the drivers are embedded)
[12:25] <shiftplusone> hagbard_, I think the manual is pretty clear about DMA. got a specific question?
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[12:26] <paowz_> concerning rootfs, how do you build yours, for instance ??
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[12:26] <hagbard_> Wasn't aware that there's a manual where dma is described.
[12:27] <shiftplusone> debootstrap
[12:27] <shiftplusone> hagbard_, search bcm2835 peripherals manual.
[12:27] <hagbard_> I'll have a look at it, thx.
[12:27] <shiftplusone> paowz_, aside from debootstrap for debian-based systems, I use buildroot for minimal things.
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[12:28] <shiftplusone> but it sounds like you already have a rootfs you want to use.
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[12:31] <hagbard_> shiftplusone: All i could find by searching for that was for the Pi1. In Pi2 dma seems to work different than in pi1.
[12:32] <shiftplusone> hagbard_, you'd use a different base address, that's all.
[12:32] <shiftplusone> the offsets are the same
[12:33] <hagbard_> Yes, i tried that for some gpio-stuff and it worked. But dma seems to be quite a different horse.
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[12:34] <shiftplusone> I believe you'll also need to use the C alias for memory locations
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[12:36] <hagbard_> From what i read i'd need to allocate memory by a mailbox interface do some juggling with the chaches and the flushing thereof, but i couldn't find anything specific.
[12:38] <shiftplusone> That's the easy way to get a hardware address (which DMA requires), yes.
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[12:40] <shiftplusone> an example I've used as a reference... https://github.com/phire/hackdriver/blob/master/test.cpp#L91
[12:40] <shiftplusone> Don't remember which alias that gives you, so you may need to play with the flags.
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[12:41] <shiftplusone> So you need to request memory, lock it, mmap it. When you're done, be sure to unlock and release it.
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[12:43] <shiftplusone> it all gets quite fiddly once you start doing anything practical =(
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[12:44] <MY123> Bringing Windows RT on ARM is easy
[12:44] <MY123> http://winocm.moe/projects/bringup/osports/2015/01/12/giving-windows-on-arm-a-hand/
[12:44] <hagbard_> Hmm, seems specific for videocore memory, but i guess accessing other memory would work in the same way.
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[12:44] <teusje> https://twitter.com/teusje/status/576658256677978112 <-- microsoft did nothing :'(
[12:45] <shiftplusone> hagbard_, if you don't use videocore memory, you'll have a hard time getting the hardware address.
[12:45] <MY123> not even Windows changes needed!
[12:45] <Encrypt> Windows on a Raspberry Pi...
[12:45] <Encrypt> Just "why?"
[12:45] <MY123> Encrypt, I done it
[12:45] <MY123> Encrypt, for fun
[12:45] <MY123> Encrypt, with his doc
[12:46] <teusje> Encrypt: www.windowsondevices.com
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[12:46] <ozzzy> I'll put Win10 on mine
[12:46] <teusje> because of C# coding and .NET
[12:46] <teusje> i'm waiting for win10 for it -_-
[12:46] <teusje> and if it works fine we'll order 'many' :)
[12:46] <shiftplusone> teusje, keep in mind it's IoT, not actual windows.
[12:46] <Encrypt> <teusje> because of C# coding and .NET // Bad language? Change language!
[12:46] <Encrypt> :D
[12:46] <teusje> to put windows on it
[12:46] <teusje> C# / F# whatever :)
[12:46] <ozzzy> now that C# and .NET are open sourced and being ported you could put them on Linux
[12:46] <teusje> .net ;-)
[12:47] <teusje> indeed and see mono also
[12:47] <Encrypt> Yuk
[12:47] <ozzzy> mono is about 5 versions old LOL
[12:47] <MY123> ozzzy, that is real Windows RT 8.1
[12:47] <hagbard_> What'im attempting to is porting this from pi1 to pi2: https://github.com/rm-hull/pifm/blob/master/pifm.cpp
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[12:48] <shiftplusone> ah yeah, they do the memory stuff the hard way
[12:48] <ali1234> https://github.com/rm-hull/pifm/blob/master/pifm.cpp#L63 <- change mem base to correct ones for pi2
[12:48] <shiftplusone> I never did get the hang of the way linux handles memory on ARM
[12:49] <ali1234> whut
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[12:49] <ali1234> "with an mmu, the same way it handles memory everywhere"
[12:49] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, how different is it from any other risc?
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[12:50] <MY123> teusje, real Windows RT "is betteré
[12:50] <MY123> *"is better"
[12:50] <uuhimhere> nah windows 3.1 >> RT
[12:50] <hagbard_> Changing the membase makes the programm run (as in not crashing), but there's no output. In the Forum someone suggested DMA beeing the culprit.
[12:51] <shiftplusone> hagbard_, have you checked the source and destination addresses you're ending up with? What are they?
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[12:51] <MY123> uuhimhere, you can run all the OSS apps you want if they are written well
[12:52] <hagbard_> Oh, i just changed the base adress from 0x20.... to 0x3F....
[12:52] <uuhimhere> i dont use oss
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[12:52] <uuhimhere> i only use proprietary blobs
[12:52] <shiftplusone> hagbard_, no, that only applies to the peripheral addresses, not memory in general.
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[12:59] <shiftplusone> ali1234, heh, of course with an mmu, but that doesn't say much. Try using dmaengine to write to a specific hardware address. The 'what do I put as the destination address so that dmaengine figures out the right hardware address every time?' question is something I banged my head on for a little while and gave up.
[13:00] <shiftplusone> maybe the answer is as simple as "you're not meant to use dmaengine that way, stupid".
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[13:09] <heller\> oh man
[13:09] <heller\> 8bit adc just aint good.
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[13:11] <cehteh> do some oversampling
[13:12] <uuhimhere> pi has adc?
[13:14] <cehteh> guess not, some hack perhaps
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[13:29] <heller\> has not
[13:29] <heller\> its an ebay bought pcf8591t
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[13:39] <Hix> struggling to work out how to sort out the flickering timestamp on RPi-Cam-Web-Interface anyone got any ideas?
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[13:40] <Hix> it seems that raspimjpeg is creating a jpeg which php renders, though how to sort the timestamp in config is not clear at all
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[13:45] <buZz> php cant render a jpg :P
[13:46] <shiftplusone> where is the source for raspimjpeg?
[13:47] <Hix> oh wow ./RPi_Cam_Web_Interface.sh start appears to have done the job. Weird, when sud reboot didn’t...
[13:48] <Hix> http://nestboxcam.hopto.org/ sorted!!!
[13:48] <shiftplusone> Hix, https://github.com/rpicopter/raspimjpeg/blob/master/RaspiMJPEG.c#L415
[13:48] <shiftplusone> oh, how did you fix it?
[13:48] <shiftplusone> but yeah, it's using the firmware to do the annotation
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[13:50] <Hix> shiftplusone: literally “./RPi_Cam_Web_Interface_Installer.sh start” and everything was sorted. Annoying when I’ve spent most of yesterday trying things and then sudo rebooting to see if it worked
[13:51] <shiftplusone> keep in mind that thing is stupidly not secure.
[13:53] <Hix> as in allowing access to network or just the pi?
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[13:54] <shiftplusone> As in letting php run commands as root without any limitations
[13:54] <shiftplusone> ah, nuh it seems like it's just /sbin/shutdown
[13:54] <shiftplusone> but still
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[13:55] <shiftplusone> ah well... as long as it's all sorted.
[13:56] <Hix> there’s nothing sensitive on that pi, it’s fresh out of the box. If someone is really sad enough to hack a nestbox camera then I’m just going to pity them :)
[13:56] <shiftplusone> heh
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[14:00] <Hix> one thing that is nagging is in /etc/raspimjpeg there is a line “annotation NestCam %02d.%02d.%02d %02d:%02d:%02d” which is clearly not what is being rendered in the jpegs
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[14:02] <shiftplusone> hm? It is what I see
[14:02] <shiftplusone> oh right... maybe not
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[14:03] <shiftplusone> wait... yes, it is. What's wrong with it?
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[14:03] <Hix> stumped me. %02d shoule give either 20 or 15
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[14:04] <shiftplusone> nuh that sets the minimum width
[14:04] <shiftplusone> so if the number is 2, you get 02, if it's 100, you still get 100.
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[14:04] <uuhimhere> so what do the videocore libs do
[14:05] <Hix> ah in that case it is overruled by “sprintf(&filename_temp, cam_setting_annotation, localTime->tm_year+1900, localTime->tm_mon+1, localTime->tm_mday, localTime->tm_hour, localTime->tm_min, localTime->tm_sec);
[14:05] <Hix> anno.enable = 1;” in raspimjpeg.c from the link you posted
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[14:12] <ali1234> do you think a pi 2 could run a mythtv backend? it looks like it should work on paper
[14:13] <shiftplusone> last time I used mythtv, it was quite bulky and barely ran on my pc at the time. No idea though.
[14:13] <ali1234> the backend is fairly light
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[14:13] <shiftplusone> ah okay, I was running the backend and frontend on the same pc, iirc.
[14:13] <ali1234> the front end is pretty horrible, but i don't use it at all
[14:14] <ali1234> all the backend has to do is copy the transport stream, which is 28mbps iirc, over USB 4 times
[14:14] <ali1234> tuner -> ringbuffer, ringbuffer -> ethernet
[14:15] <shiftplusone> If you can find a tuner which doesn't throw a spanner in the usb stack
[14:15] <ali1234> my tuner uses 250mA though, and i have no idea how much a USB hard drive will use
[14:15] <ali1234> hmm what do you mean by that? my tuner works fine on my current set up
[14:16] <shiftplusone> which one is it?
[14:16] <ali1234> er... it's the DVB-T2 one, the only one supported on linux...
[14:16] <ali1234> pctv 530e?
[14:16] <shiftplusone> they seem to generate a lot of requests/sec, which trips things up. Maybe the situation has improved on the pi2 or you got lucky with the dvb stick. I haven't even tried since I thought it's unlikely to work.
[14:17] <ali1234> well i use it on a PC at the moment but it burns too much electricity
[14:17] <shiftplusone> oh, so have you tried it in the pi or not?
[14:17] <ali1234> nope
[14:17] <shiftplusone> *on
[14:17] <shiftplusone> ah... well, that's something to look into.
[14:17] <ali1234> i guess i could test it on my A+
[14:18] <ali1234> i don't see why it wouldn't work though, unless the USB stack is completely pants
[14:18] <shiftplusone> the usb hardware is pants
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[14:21] <ali1234> alternatively, is there a cheap SBC that has ethernet, sata and decent USB?
[14:22] <uuhimhere> why do you need sata?
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[14:22] <shiftplusone> hardkernel should have something like that
[14:22] <shiftplusone> Not the C1 though.
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[14:22] <ali1234> sata is probably the least important since i can use USB, but USB enclosures tend to be fairly bad in general
[14:23] <shiftplusone> they seem to insist on using micro/mini usb slots rated for 2 insertions or something >_<
[14:23] <ali1234> i've never broken a USB connector yet
[14:24] <ali1234> not even the N900 one, which was famously bad
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[14:24] <shiftplusone> impressive
[14:24] <shiftplusone> The pi is probably the only device where I've never had the connector break, but that's probably only because I rarely unplug it.
[14:25] <shiftplusone> but usb hdd enclosures barely last a few weeks, it seems.
[14:25] <ali1234> yeah i've had loads of those die, but usually it is the power supply that goes
[14:26] <ali1234> or when they are bus powered, they're just really unreliable all the time
[14:26] <shiftplusone> ah, I was talking about the bus powered ones
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[14:27] <shiftplusone> Haven't had many problems with externally powered ones actually. This is the one I know and trust http://www.techsmart.co.za/data/articles/WD%20Elements%202%20TB%20External%20HDD/images/WD_Elements_2_TB_External_HDD_inline_image.jpg
[14:27] <shiftplusone> USB2.0, but that's more than good enough for me.
[14:28] <shiftplusone> anyway... I'll shut up and do some work >.>
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[14:30] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, so what do you think of plopping the pi2 compute module into the upcoming dragonbox pyra ?
[14:30] <ali1234> buying class 10 sd cards is pointless right? cos it's only the linear write speed
[14:31] <shiftplusone> ali1234, that is the conventional wisdom, yes. Haven't done any tests myself, but that's what the people who have say.
[14:31] <uuhimhere> would alot of functionality be lost if someone shoved a pi2 compute module into thisboards.openpandora.org/topic/16746-populated-mainboards/?p=348715
[14:31] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, I don't understand what the point would be. By the time you get the electronics in there to power the compute module, interface the electronics and all that, you'll run out of room and not gain anything over the pyra.
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[14:32] <shiftplusone> that page doesn't load for me
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[14:32] <ali1234> remove "this" fromt he front of the url
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[14:33] <shiftplusone> derp
[14:33] <ali1234> i would like to see a nice motherboard with a compute module slot on it. not the CMIO.
[14:33] <uuhimhere> i just think it would be cool to have a production quality portable netbook/console running on a pi2
[14:33] <shiftplusone> well there's openpi https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wirelessthings/openpi-wireless-computer-for-inventors-makers-and
[14:33] <shiftplusone> unless you mean motherboard as in... atx.
[14:34] <ali1234> no, not ATX
[14:34] <uuhimhere> the openpi's not aportable
[14:34] <ali1234> just more motherboard-y than the CMIO
[14:34] <ali1234> designed to be a computer, not a breakout board
[14:34] <shiftplusone> I'm looking forward to getting my Slice and the compute module 2 upgrade... whenever that happens.
[14:35] <shiftplusone> ali1234, why would you want something like that instead of a normal pi though?
[14:35] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, would be nice if someone comes up with a crowdsource project for a proper netbook adaptation to the pi2
[14:35] <ali1234> because the normal pi has a lot of annoying compromises
[14:36] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, seen the pi-top?
[14:36] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, thats a hack
[14:36] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, brick-top
[14:36] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, looks like it was made outta ducktape
[14:37] <ali1234> i quite like the look of the pi-top
[14:37] <ali1234> it's utilitarian
[14:37] <uuhimhere> as in it looks like a toolbox?
[14:38] <ali1234> yes
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[14:38] <ali1234> specifically it looks like they didn't wasn't money on pointless things
[14:38] <uuhimhere> ali1234, it costs almost 500 bucks to build
[14:38] <ali1234> well 3d printing isn't cheap
[14:39] <uuhimhere> ali1234, hey at least it looks cheap
[14:39] <ali1234> $500 for a laptop with 100% commodity parts *is* cheap
[14:39] <uuhimhere> which is good if thats what you want; see above for what im talking about
[14:39] <ali1234> sorry i wasn't listening
[14:40] <uuhimhere> you mean reading
[14:40] <uuhimhere> unless theres an irc audio plugin ;)
[14:40] <shiftplusone> What I would REALLY like is a lapdock with a CM slot
[14:40] * shiftplusone drools
[14:40] <uuhimhere> which would drive a person nuts i assume
[14:41] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, the hecks a lapdock
[14:41] <shiftplusone> http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/wireless/detail-page/motorola-atrix_dock-main-lg.jpg
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[14:41] <shiftplusone> instead of the phone... CM slot
[14:41] <ali1234> yes, that would be really nice
[14:41] <ali1234> i do like the idea that you can slide open the panel on the pi-top and then wire things to the gpios though
[14:42] <uuhimhere> thats too big
[14:42] <uuhimhere> for me
[14:42] <ali1234> you want the moon on a stick
[14:42] <shiftplusone> isn't japan working on that?
[14:42] <uuhimhere> no i want the pyra's build quality and controls + power management on a pi2 cm
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[14:43] <shiftplusone> >.> http://www.themarysue.com/fly-me-to-the-moon-lance-of-longinus/
[14:43] <uuhimhere> i can only assume they borrowed the notion of their pluggable from rbpi foundation
[14:43] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, pitch the idea to evildragon.... who knows...
[14:44] <uuhimhere> well what if they get all apprehensive and defensive because its not a module that they developed ?
[14:44] <uuhimhere> it is after all a *downgrade*
[14:44] <ali1234> why don;t you just get their module?
[14:45] <uuhimhere> well that depends on how much the module costs
[14:45] <uuhimhere> if they sell the pyra alone minus the module and it comes to less than 300bucks i think the pi module is worthwile
[14:45] <shiftplusone> Oh, I'm an idiot... I didn't notice they have a carrier board separate from the brain on the pyra.
[14:46] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, yes they plan on having amd modules, ti modules, exynos etc etc
[14:46] <ali1234> pointless
[14:46] <shiftplusone> I think if they do a CM2 version, they'd sell quite a few.
[14:46] <ali1234> yes, that would sell
[14:46] <shiftplusone> hell, I'd buy one.
[14:47] <ali1234> nobody is going to buy *random ARM chip number 3243276*
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[14:47] <ali1234> it's bad enough portin everything once
[14:47] <ali1234> pluggable modules just increases the fragmentation
[14:47] <MY123> ali1234, there is a lot who would buy a bare Cortex-a7
[14:47] <uuhimhere> ali1234, pointless ?
[14:47] <ali1234> they should just adapt it to the CM and not bother making their own CPU module
[14:48] <MY123> ali1234, if it has PCIe
[14:48] <Dickie> I'm looking for a case which will enclose the microsd card. Does anyone know of one?
[14:48] <ali1234> they'd sell infinitely more that way
[14:48] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, maybe you could approach evil dragon?
[14:48] <shiftplusone> Dickie, enclose entirely or just force you to use your nail to click it out?
[14:49] <Dickie> Entirely would be preferable
[14:49] <Dickie> But difficult will suffice
[14:49] <Dickie> I'm making retro consoles for family members
[14:49] <Dickie> Don't want them mucking it up
[14:49] <uuhimhere> ali1234, yeah maybe you should give them that bright idea
[14:49] <ali1234> nobody ever listens to me
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[14:51] <ali1234> anyway i'd rather have a pi-top
[14:51] <Dickie> Oh, B+, btw
[14:51] <ali1234> but i'd remove the touchpad and make the keyboard bigger. or the screen smaller.
[14:51] <uuhimhere> ali1234, but its such a bright idea... tell a bunch of guys who have achieved what very few communities out there have achieved out of their own time money and effort, how they should align with the rbpi foundation... because it would benefit them somehow?
[14:53] <uuhimhere> for some reason theyd probably just be like hey its all open plug it in and see what happens guys
[14:53] <shiftplusone> hmm... I wonder how many lapdocks were sold simply because they are pi compatible
[14:53] <ali1234> probably more than got sold for the atrix, because absolutely nobody bought them
[14:53] <uuhimhere> lapdocks are pi compatible?
[14:53] <ali1234> they are just HDMI and USB so yeah
[14:53] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, the new ones seem to be a little trickier to get to work, but yeah.
[14:54] <uuhimhere> yeah but lapdocks are big corporate products that didnt target a compute-module like platform to begin with...
[14:55] <ali1234> the atrix was kind of a compute-module type device
[14:55] <ali1234> just wrapped up in a mobile phone
[14:55] <ali1234> it was supposed to be "convergence"
[14:55] <uuhimhere> the pandora could actually sell(as you mentioned) with a pi2 compute-module seeing as the stock one would make the system run upwards to 500Euro
[14:55] <uuhimhere> *pyra
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[14:55] <uuhimhere> actually 500 euro's the conservative estimate
[14:55] <ali1234> but it failed hard because nobody wants to plug their phone in to their TV or in to their laptop to make it work, and then fiddle around to unplug it when they get a call
[14:56] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, i wonder where the bulk of the cost lie? percentage wise for the pyra 70:30% pyra:omap compute module?
[14:57] <ali1234> probably closer to 90:10
[14:57] <ali1234> getting cases made is not cheap
[14:57] <shiftplusone> I think the non-tangible stuff like logistics/manufacturing/markup is the bulk of it
[14:58] <ali1234> yeah
[14:58] <uuhimhere> though having said that a pi-yra migh actually catch broadcom's eye and who knows after that....
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[14:58] <ali1234> unlikely
[14:59] <shiftplusone> Don't think broadcom would care at all >_<
[14:59] <uuhimhere> how come
[14:59] <ali1234> broadcom wouldn't even get out of bed for the number of sales the pandora had
[14:59] <uuhimhere> yeah but a pi-netbook for every pi owner out there?
[15:00] <uuhimhere> whats the count right now
[15:00] <uuhimhere> 15 million and counting?
[15:00] <shiftplusone> nowhere near
[15:00] <ali1234> hate to break it to you, but that's tiny
[15:01] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, really all pi iterations <15mil?
[15:01] <shiftplusone> 5 million
[15:01] <MY123> shiftplusone, Broadcom have a good CPU, just a good GPU is the part missing
[15:01] <ali1234> global smartphone sales are set to hit 1 billion units annually this year
[15:01] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, are you sure thats not just the sales for pi2 ?
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> MY123: And IO is comedic
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> (speaking of the pi)
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[15:02] <shiftplusone> and I think most pi owners buy more than one, so there's probably a few million pi users of less.
[15:02] <uuhimhere> MY123, how is a basic Armv7 "good"
[15:02] <MY123> SpeedEvil: no. NASDAQ:BRCM made high speed interfaces
[15:02] <MY123> (like MIPI DSI/CSI)
[15:02] <ali1234> also i would be willing to bet that nearly every pi owner regularly uses at least one other device with a broadcom CPU in it, and doesn't even know
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> MY123: which you can't use
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> (oter than one sole model of camera)
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[15:03] <MY123> SpeedEvil, @shiftplusone can use it if he wants to, like other BRCM/RPi engineers
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> That's pretty much meaningless.
[15:03] <ttys0> It's great for a learning system, and a proof of concept test bed, which is what I tend to use mine for. Perhaps folks disappointed with the performance have an expectation that's disconnected from the intention of the product.
[15:03] <MY123> (they have docs and the src code of the blob)
[15:04] <MY123> uuhimhere, you have a bare AXI bus
[15:04] <ali1234> the performance is fine. the education value is suspect however, given how little we know about the hardware even now
[15:05] <uuhimhere> the pi2's compute module is still alot better than the original pandora's SoC
[15:05] <MY123> ali1234, except ARMinit and videoINIT, I think that everything is good
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[15:05] <shiftplusone> well, there is no pi 2 compute module yet
[15:05] <StrawMachie> Hi
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: Perhaps not as questionable as the BBCs recent announce
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[15:05] <StrawMachie> Anyone code in C?
[15:05] <ali1234> uuhimhere: that's not particularly hard; the pandora is like 8 years old
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: tiny 32 bit micro dev-board for the kiddies!
[15:06] <shiftplusone> heh... pandora was outdated before it was released >_<
[15:06] <ali1234> omap3530... my keyboard has a faster processor than that
[15:06] <uuhimhere> ali1234, the point is the pandora was capable of alot of tasks with that SoC im pretty sure pi2 would allow for an upgrade to that experience
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: It wasn't _that_ slow at tlaunch time
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[15:07] <uuhimhere> i mean look at pcsxrearmed; if it wasnt for pandora you woulndt even have that
[15:07] <MY123> ali1234, compared to modern smartphones with a Cortex-A57...
[15:08] <MY123> the Pi2 is slowwww
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[15:08] <ali1234> MY123: it doesn't need to be fast though
[15:08] <shiftplusone> why not compare it to an i7 while we're at it.
[15:08] <uuhimhere> pfft
[15:08] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, dont you mean sparc T3
[15:08] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, dont you mean sparc T5
[15:09] <uuhimhere> wait thats a crappy soc
[15:09] <uuhimhere> lol
[15:09] <MY123> uuhimhere, or the 256-core Atmel AVR system
[15:09] <MY123> uuhimhere, it's a little useless
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[15:10] <uuhimhere> so we'll never see a pi with any of the SoC's from BRCM's mobile-handheld adventure?
[15:10] <uuhimhere> ie bcm 21553,21664,28155 etc etc
[15:10] <MY123> uuhimhere, Broadcom may prepare a new SoC
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[15:11] <SpeedEvil> It seems very unlikely a Pi3 will arrive immediately after the PI2
[15:11] <MY123> uuhimhere, Vulkan will probably be supported in a newer chip, which means a complete redesign of a 3D subsystem
[15:11] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, computability is important for the foundation's goals. A lot of the work that went into the pi won't just work in other chips, even the VC ones.
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> Epecially given the comments that the PI2 had enginnering import
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> Compatibility to the platform absolutely should not be a goal - regrettably
[15:11] <MY123> SpeedEvil, there is architectural problems for newer APIs
[15:11] <uuhimhere> they could just release newer modules
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> ^had enginering input into the SoC
[15:12] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, well wasnt the issue lack of ARMv7?
[15:12] <MY123> shiftplusone, you will have to break this one day
[15:12] <MY123> shiftplusone, why is not the chip 28nm?
[15:14] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, take an early pi1 with the first image that was released to appreciate how far the software has come. Moving to an entirely new chip would set things back, make a lot of resources invalid and require a lot of engineering time to bring to a decent state.
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[15:15] <shiftplusone> plus, if there's anything to conclude from this discussion is that everybody wants different things anyway
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[15:15] <SpeedEvil> My major beef with the Pi2 is the shared single USB port
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> Other than that it's pretty excusable
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[15:15] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, yeah ; i want a cheap pi-pyra
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[15:16] <MY123> shiftplusone, not if the chip is fast enough
[15:16] <MY123> (to make SW rendering and SW video decoding usable)
[15:17] <MY123> shiftplusone, actually, you can CPU decode H264 at 1080p on the latest ARM chips
[15:17] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, what kind of resources?
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[15:18] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, so the GPU on the pi2 is weak?
[15:18] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, whatever tutorials, manuals, lesson plans, documentation and so on people have written over the years. Sure, the bulk of that could remain the same, since it's just generic linux stuff, but there will be things which are done differently.
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[15:19] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, I don't think so, it's just something MY123 has been saying.
[15:19] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, isnt that *always* the case
[15:19] <MY123> shiftplusone, it is weak
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[15:20] <MY123> uuhimhere, the one on the Odroid-C1 has twice the 3D performance
[15:20] <shiftplusone> MY123, weak for what?
[15:20] <shiftplusone> what is it that most people need to do with the pi's GPU that it can't do?
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[15:20] <ali1234> can it do opengl 4.0?
[15:20] <shiftplusone> aside from the things anholt is addressing
[15:20] <MY123> shiftplusone, running Compiz at 1080p when using mplayer
[15:21] <MY123> ali1234, OpenGL 2.1
[15:21] <MY123> shiftplusone, VLC is even more slower
[15:21] <ali1234> can it at least do ES 2.0?
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[15:21] <MY123> ali1234, yes
[15:21] <ali1234> that's something then
[15:22] <uuhimhere> MY123, how do you gauge that?
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[15:22] <uuhimhere> MY123, when i run antutu on my "crappy" BCM21664 based android phone the GPU "ranks" among the 10th upper percentile
[15:22] <uuhimhere> for 3d
[15:22] <MY123> uuhimhere, there is a big res difference between the phone and a 1080p screen
[15:22] <shiftplusone> bah, no work done at all today. =/
[15:23] <uuhimhere> i cant tell the difference between 1080 and 480 on a smartphone LCD
[15:23] <shiftplusone> AND there's no milk in the fridge >=/. Everything is terrible >.>
[15:23] <uuhimhere> nor would i bet any normal human would
[15:23] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, coffee?
[15:23] <MY123> shiftplusone, use the www
[15:24] <shiftplusone> hm?
[15:24] <MY123> shiftplusone, or go to Sainsbury's or another big store
[15:24] <uuhimhere> 1080p's for 64 inch screen with a viewing distance of at least 12 feet
[15:24] <shiftplusone> but that's like a 15 minute walk D=
[15:25] <uuhimhere> unless of course you want the pi to display on a big big screen
[15:25] <uuhimhere> all i want is a pi-pyra
[15:25] <uuhimhere> i even have a name for it
[15:25] <uuhimhere> sounds like papyrus
[15:25] <uuhimhere> pi-pyra
[15:26] <shiftplusone> well, go hassle #openpandora =P
[15:26] <uuhimhere> and the software library of open pandora zzomg
[15:26] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, well theyre happy with pyra
[15:27] <MY123> uuhimhere, /print "no Pandora's here. please go elsewhere"
[15:27] <uuhimhere> i hear theyre having an awful time with the new powervr though
[15:27] <MY123> uuhimhere, true
[15:27] <MY123> like always with imagination
[15:28] <uuhimhere> that would be a good cause to use a vc4 based compute module...youll always have a working shim!
[15:28] <MY123> uuhimhere, a true driver, not a shim
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[15:28] <ali1234> sure, except when it doesn't work due to bugs :)
[15:28] <MY123> uuhimhere, you will be impressed by the Mesa work
[15:29] <MY123> ali1234, it will work
[15:29] <uuhimhere> is it mainlines yet
[15:29] <MY123> uuhimhere, mainline Mesa
[15:29] <uuhimhere> is it stable
[15:30] <MY123> uuhimhere, 90% piglit pass
[15:30] <MY123> uuhimhere, and stable
[15:30] <ali1234> mesa is never stable
[15:30] <MY123> uuhimhere, even Unity runs on it
[15:30] <ali1234> nvidia-glx or don't bother
[15:30] <uuhimhere> would wayland run on the pi
[15:31] <ali1234> it does, kind of
[15:31] <ali1234> you can only use weston
[15:31] <ali1234> and you can only have 64 surfaces, unless they fixed that bug
[15:32] <ali1234> and it uses massive amounts of ram because of compositing
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[15:32] <uuhimhere> wayland doesnt have to use compositing right
[15:33] <ali1234> well technically you could set it up in such a way that everything gets rendered directly to the screen... but... no
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[15:33] <ali1234> it would be worse that X11 if you did that
[15:34] <ali1234> much, much worse, because wayland isn't designed to work that way
[15:34] <uuhimhere> alright i guess the pi-pyra is just a pi-pipe dream
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[15:35] <uuhimhere> MY123, though if what you say about MESA is true then it would have been a really nice little thing to have
[15:36] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/
[15:36] <shiftplusone> http://anholt.livejournal.com/
[15:36] <MY123> shiftplusone, the pages were not updated
[15:36] <MY123> (Mesa is much more stable than before)
[15:37] <shiftplusone> just linking it as the page to check out.
[15:37] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, ok so its a nice little thing that i cant have
[15:38] <uuhimhere> :P
[15:38] <uuhimhere> anholt hasnt updated since last year
[15:38] <uuhimhere> october
[15:38] <uuhimhere> thats like 6 months
[15:38] <shiftplusone> the VC4 page was updated last month
[15:38] <shiftplusone> 2015-02-17
[15:38] <uuhimhere> yeah
[15:39] <shiftplusone> he hasn't blogged about it recently, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been busy.
[15:39] <ali1234> writing graphics drivers is hard
[15:40] <uuhimhere> i thought he got moved onto another project or something because its been quiet
[15:40] <MY123> uuhimhere, it can
[15:40] <uuhimhere> and the driver's not been updtreamed?
[15:41] <shiftplusone> I think anholt upstreams things as he goes. I've certainly seen some patches to the pi kernel from him on the mailing list recently.
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[15:43] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, so how much work would it take to have the pi2's module used with the pyra's board; how much functionality would go out the window?
[15:43] <shiftplusone> I don't know, one board doesn't even exist yet and I don't have the other.
[15:43] <ali1234> are there any specs at all for the module interface?
[15:44] <uuhimhere> i guess its too early
[15:44] <ali1234> i mean potentially everything from impossible to 100% functionality
[15:44] <uuhimhere> well surely theres wnough there to get bare metal
[15:44] <shiftplusone> everything is possible with enough electronics in between and time to spend on it.
[15:45] <ali1234> like connecting a screen to the DSI port?
[15:45] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, yeah because its modular something in between is possible
[15:45] <uuhimhere> heh?
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[15:45] <uuhimhere> they are using a mipi screen
[15:45] <ali1234> who?
[15:46] <uuhimhere> last i checked they are actually using a portrait screen with a rotator chip to get landscape
[15:46] <uuhimhere> pyra
[15:46] <ali1234> well that should work then, if you can reverse engineer the DSI hardware in the pi
[15:46] <ali1234> which actually probably isn't all that hard
[15:46] <uuhimhere> why it isnt "open"
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[15:46] <uuhimhere> i thought dsi was just a framebuffer output?
[15:47] <ali1234> pretty much
[15:47] <ali1234> technically the pi doesnt have a framebuffer
[15:47] <ali1234> it has a hardware compositor instead
[15:47] <ali1234> the console/x11 framebuffer is just a hack to make it work
[15:47] <shiftplusone> is there documentation for the screen?
[15:48] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, for the one theyre using?
[15:48] <shiftplusone> yeah
[15:48] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, probably on the forums
[15:48] <MY123> uuhimhere, the driver is on github.com/anholt/linux
[15:48] <MY123> branch vc4-3.19
[15:48] <uuhimhere> ok i take it he hasnt pushed it?
[15:49] <shiftplusone> I doubt he can push it all at once. The review for even the tiniest changes is brutal >_<
[15:49] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, why?
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[15:49] <shiftplusone> uuhimhere, I could have a go at getting it to work with the pi if there's enough information to go on.
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[15:50] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, thats still a long way from getting a pi-pyra :(
[15:50] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, besides why dont you just use one thats in a phone with a vc4?
[15:51] <shiftplusone> reasons
[15:51] <ali1234> you know the hardest part about connecting a mipi screen? the damn ribbon cable...
[15:51] <ali1234> is there a breakout for it?
[15:52] <uuhimhere> on what the phone?
[15:52] <ali1234> for the 15 way ribbon cable
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> ali1234: no
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> And the hardest part is the driver
[15:52] <ali1234> someone should get on that...
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[15:52] <uuhimhere> the vc4 talks to the controller and the controller uses the ribbon to the screen from what i understand
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> (without any data on it)
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[15:53] <SpeedEvil> I should have read more backscroll
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Making a little board with a couple of connectors on, one to go to an existing display, the other to the PI is nott very hard.
[15:53] <ali1234> i bet i could get it working, if i had a mipi screen with the 15 way connector
[15:53] <shiftplusone> I'd solder little wires from the pi's stock cable to the pads for the screen, get it to work, then get some sort of adapter made.
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> It requires SM skills, and to order a board
[15:54] <ali1234> and to find a compatible screen
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Ah - I was being lazy and meaning no hand-soldering at all, just use connectors
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> And straight-through cables
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[15:55] <ali1234> i can't hand solder anything smaller than so8
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[15:56] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, you could just drop by #openpandora sure theyll give it to you; its going to be "opened" once its done anyways
[15:56] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, i know the alot of samsung phones that used BCM used this : www.mediafire.com/download/mh38lmkv96262gi/NT35510_General%252BSpec_V0.00_1103.pdf
[15:56] <uuhimhere> NTT35510 LCD Driver/Controller
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[15:57] <uuhimhere> eg : http://pastebin.com/p8tRBJUA
[15:58] <ali1234> http://mydragonboard.org/2012/connecting-a-mipi-display-to-dragonboard/
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[16:13] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, http://boards.openpandora.org/topic/17697-of-boards-and-displays/
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[16:28] <uuhimhere> alright all in favor for a 300 pi-pyra case say AYE
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[16:29] <shiftplusone> 300 what?
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[16:30] <uuhimhere> good point
[16:30] <uuhimhere> havent decided yet XD
[16:30] <uuhimhere> USD
[16:30] <uuhimhere> thats reasonable
[16:31] <shiftplusone> with all the electronics?
[16:32] <uuhimhere> other than storage display and controls?
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[16:32] <shiftplusone> well, whatever it would need for a cm2 to talk to it.
[16:32] <uuhimhere> isnt one coming out
[16:33] <shiftplusone> eh?
[16:33] <shiftplusone> anyway, I need to stop getting distracted by IRC.
[16:33] <Froolap> what's that?
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[16:34] <Froolap> IRC? I Really Care?
[16:34] <shiftplusone> O_o
[16:35] <shiftplusone> I thought it was internet relayed crabs or something.
[16:35] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, well you should care now : cute_korean_girl (~joseon@218.53.30.191) has joined #raspberrypi
[16:36] <cute_korean_girl> ;)
[16:36] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, http://linuxgizmos.com/mini-pc-taps-rpi-compute-module-and-supports-rpi-2/
[16:36] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, that implies one is coming out ...
[16:36] <shiftplusone> yeah, there should be, but I'm not sure anyone can claim computability yet.
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> *compatibility
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[16:40] <uuhimhere> shiftplusone, well since its a daughterboard compatibility will have to be an adaptation
[16:40] <uuhimhere> its definitely not gonna fit as is
[16:40] <uuhimhere> the pyra's one mechanically has more notches
[16:40] <uuhimhere> well
[16:41] <uuhimhere> compatible enough to boot and display on a serial ? or compatible enough to boot and play mupen64
[16:41] <shiftplusone> I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore.
[16:41] <uuhimhere> really
[16:41] <uuhimhere> whatdya talking about
[16:42] <uuhimhere> imma talking bout that there pi-pyra business; whatchu talking bout son?
[16:43] <uuhimhere> yeah we sahll wait for the official shcematics from both sides
[16:43] <uuhimhere> and then we shall conspire to usurp the status quo with the paradigm that is the pi-pyra
[16:43] <uuhimhere> muahahahaha
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[16:44] <uuhimhere> ha
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[16:44] <shiftplusone> O_o
[16:44] <shiftplusone> go to sleep, uuhimhere.
[16:44] <uuhimhere> its actually morning here
[16:45] <shiftplusone> go to sleep anyway
[16:45] <uuhimhere> im narcoleptic
[16:45] <uuhimhere> so im always sleeping
[16:45] <uuhimhere> and awake
[16:45] <DoctorD90> hi shiftplusone :) ...just to know xD ..have you updated/added our italian wifi dognle drive to raspbian? :P
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[16:47] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, nope. I think it's not going to happen. The plan is to get the kernel headers package in there and then provide these third party drivers in separate dkms packages.
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[16:49] <DoctorD90> uhm..... shiftplusone but this means that once i start rpi-update it will update it? :P
[16:49] <DoctorD90> or i will always go somewhere to find it out?
[16:49] <shiftplusone> rpi-update is not a thing you should use
[16:50] <shiftplusone> you'd run apt-get install blahmodule. and it would re-compile every time the kernel is updated.
[16:50] <DoctorD90> 0o why? 0o
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[16:50] <shiftplusone> rpi-update is a testing tool, not something mortals should be using.
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[16:51] <DoctorD90> ahaha...no i thougth it was to update the "firmaware/kernel" of rpi :P i have found it in many walktrugth
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[16:51] <shiftplusone> no
[16:52] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi-bootloader is the package containing the firmware and kernel
[16:52] <shiftplusone> and is managed by apt
[16:52] <DoctorD90> so....plug eth, install module with apt, and do this each time kernel will be updated :P
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[16:52] <shiftplusone> no the package will recompile the module itself, without you needing to do anything. Just a one-time install.
[16:53] <DoctorD90> oooo.....this is great! :D
[16:53] <shiftplusone> it's more of a long-term plan so... don't expect it any time soon
[16:53] <DoctorD90> so once module will be installed all will go well :D
[16:53] <shiftplusone> I don't have access to the repo yet.
[16:53] <DoctorD90> T_T ....
[16:54] <DoctorD90> may i help to get access?? :D
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[16:55] <shiftplusone> nope
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[16:57] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, just to understand, from where do you take this "repo" for module? :)
[16:58] <shiftplusone> hm? nowhere, it will be in the raspberrypi.org repo, which is already there.
[16:59] <DoctorD90> 0o ....and if it is already there, what is missing? 0o
[16:59] <shiftplusone> the packages I just made up
[16:59] <DoctorD90> ah.....probably now i have understand :P
[17:00] <DoctorD90> thx :D
[17:00] <shiftplusone> np
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[17:10] <heller\> anyone used DHT22 on GPIO14?
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[17:31] <sasha> Hai, I can't get some DS18B20's working, I've tried on 2 Pi's, on one of them I get to seeing stuff in /sys/bus/w1/devices/w1_bus_master1 (but not the probe itself)
[17:32] <sasha> and on the other one, I can't see anything. I've tried with two probes which appear to have standard wiring (black/yellow/red), and I also tried with a 4.7k resistance.
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[17:55] <ozzzy> if the Pi is anything like the Arduino you need red == 5v, black == ground and yellow == data (with a 4.7k pullup to 5v)
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[17:57] <sasha> ozzzy: but won't 5v kill the sensor? I read that it's 3.3v somewhere
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[17:58] <ozzzy> I run lots of DS18B20s.... all on 5V
[17:58] <ozzzy> now on a Pi... you might need 3.3v, gnd and a pullup to 3.3v... I've never hooked one to a Pi
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[17:59] <ozzzy> which would make sense as pulling a pi gpio up to 5v would be bad
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[18:00] <ozzzy> yep... hook the red up to the 3.3v on the pi
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[18:15] <Godfath3r> has anyone tried mpsyt with raspberry?
[18:16] <Godfath3r> it seems that it can't play videos smaller than HD :S
[18:16] <Godfath3r> i've set omxplayer for media player and set max_res to 480
[18:16] <Godfath3r> most of the videos don't play
[18:16] <sasha> ozzzy: ok well I just reconnected everything and tried a brand new probe
[18:17] <ozzzy> I hope you read that 3.3v post
[18:17] <ozzzy> LOL
[18:17] <sasha> yep
[18:17] <ozzzy> that's good
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[18:19] <sasha> and it works,... so the question is, did I just break two probes or was something else at play?
[18:19] <ozzzy> I dunno.... hook them up again and see what happens
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[18:21] <mattbrejza> hey, does anyone know if you can lock the exposure on the picam?
[18:22] <shiftplusone> mattbrejza, using what? picamera, raspistill/vid?
[18:23] <shiftplusone> your own code?
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[18:23] <mattbrejza> raspistill
[18:24] <waveform> mattbrejza, by exposure do you mean the shutter speed or the sensor gain (or both)?
[18:25] <mattbrejza> well shutter i guess
[18:25] <mattbrejza> main thing is that it will consistantly expose an image the same
[18:25] <mattbrejza> as i dont trust the cam to do a good job all thetime, so i want to manually find the right settings and lock it
[18:25] <waveform> shutter speed is pretty easy: use the -ss parameter to specify the speed
[18:25] <Froolap> You want 30 second exposure for taking pictures of stars...
[18:26] <mattbrejza> oh right, i didnt see -ss in the help
[18:26] <Hix> --shutter, -ss Set shutter speed
[18:26] <mattbrejza> thanks
[18:26] <clever> ozzzy: i have ran some ds18b20's on my pi, but it doesnt perform nearly as well as a 5v avr
[18:26] <mattbrejza> i was looking in a pdf rather than the -help
[18:26] <Hix> though apparently it has a time limit of ~6s
[18:26] <clever> ozzzy: i suspect its a combination of the lower voltage rail and the weak io drivers on the pi pins
[18:26] <waveform> but bear in mind it's limited by the framerate, so if you want say a 1s exposure you need to set the framerate to 1fps or less
[18:26] <shiftplusone> have a read of the readme https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam/README.md
[18:26] <clever> since the avr can sink up to 20mA per pin
[18:27] <waveform> mattbrejza, however you need to be aware that that won't lead to *completely* consistent captures because the sensor gain isn't fixed
[18:27] <Hix> what was the name of the super-lightweight OS for pi?
[18:27] <mattbrejza> ok, can you fix the gain?
[18:28] <waveform> mattbrejza, this is harder because the firmware provides no way to specify the gain you actually want. All it provides is a means to disable the AGC algorithm, leaving the current gains static
[18:28] <mattbrejza> it doesnt have to be super consitant between images
[18:28] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[18:28] <waveform> in that case I'd just play with shutter speed for now - gains are tricky to fix nicely
[18:29] <mattbrejza> ok should be enough, thanks
[18:29] <ozzzy> you could test that.... run the sensors at 5V and put a divider in to bring the data line down to 3.3 (between the pin and the pullup)
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[18:29] <shiftplusone> Hix, I guess you're thinking or riscos?
[18:29] <huleo> hello
[18:29] <shiftplusone> *of
[18:29] <Hix> shiftplusone: that doesn’t sound familiar
[18:29] <DoctorD90> guys if i set in file of network, "usb auto" and i connect rpi to tablet with tethering, it will auto connect to it?
[18:29] <huleo> anyone here using pulseaudio with their Pi? (Debian btw)
[18:30] <shiftplusone> Hix, buildroot? tinycore?
[18:30] <huleo> It, well, "just doesn't work"
[18:30] <ozzzy> why would you put that on a computer
[18:30] <ozzzy> [shudder]
[18:30] <Hix> buildroot - that’s the one shiftplusone - is it an arse to implement?
[18:30] <huleo> idea is to pipe sound over the network - I have the device on my computer, but nothing actually comes out to the speakers
[18:30] <shiftplusone> Hix, no, it's very simple if you know what you want and how linux works in general.
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[18:31] <huleo> but locally (on Pi itself) playing anything with pulse audio on also ceased to work
[18:31] <Hix> hmmm - it is me after all :D
[18:31] <Hix> I’ll have a look into it. I remember someone saying they had boot times of <4s
[18:31] <shiftplusone> Hix, even _YOU_ should be able to cope with it =P. What are you trying to do?
[18:32] <shiftplusone> The question is what you want to use it for, because it doesn't result in a good general use distro.
[18:32] <DoctorD90> :P any one that may know answer to my little question? XD
[18:32] <Hix> I wanted to make a wildlife camera that had an arduino monitoring the scene and which kicked off the boot to record on pi f anything triggered it
[18:32] <shiftplusone> Hix, perfect.
[18:33] <Hix> yeah, it sounded right for an embedded application
[18:33] <Froolap> did you ask a little question? ask a bigger question, I can't ee it.
[18:33] <Hix> raspbian is bloated for my needs, just founf out how bloated running sysmatts backup script
[18:34] <DoctorD90> Froolap, lol...
[18:34] <shiftplusone> Hix, are you aware that raspbian and the image on the raspberry pi download page are not necessarily the same thing? You can get lightweight raspbian.
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[18:35] <Hix> shiftplusone: I was not, though would it boot as quick as buildroot?
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[18:35] <huleo> Hix: I debootstrap-ped my Debian
[18:35] <shiftplusone> maybe not lightweight by buildroot and LFS standards, but certainly without all the wolfram/java/X11 stuff.
[18:35] <DoctorD90> to control rpi, i had installed network-manager and setup usb connection, using my tablet usb-tethering. to achive this, without network-manager, may i add "usb auto" in network file?
[18:35] <Peio> you can install a 300MB raspbian with the net installer Hix
[18:35] <huleo> there is some script flying around doing just that (+taking care of kernel/bootloader config)
[18:35] <shiftplusone> Hix, it can, but you'd need to know what you're doing. If boot time is really important then yeah, stick with buildroot.
[18:35] <Hix> it’s not the size it’s the boot speed that is paramount
[18:35] <DoctorD90> i use it to start vnc ession :)
[18:36] <Hix> shiftplusone: I’m sure I’ll get there eventually, it’s not like I’m going to bork £000s worth of gear :D
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[18:38] <Hix> https://github.com/gamaral/rpi-buildroot looks like a good intro
[18:39] <Froolap> The raspberrypi 3B needs to have sata and come in a form factor that will allow for a laptop drive to be mounted in the case of the PI.
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[18:39] <shiftplusone> and a pony
[18:39] <Froolap> Oh yes, you gotta have a pony, at least 1/4 horse power.
[18:39] <shiftplusone> Hix, use upstream buildroot though, they support the pi and have defconfigs for pi1 and pi2
[18:39] <Peio> sure Froolap and a core i3 too
[18:40] <MY123> Peio, atoms
[18:40] <MY123> *Intel Atom(s)
[18:40] <Peio> are they like magnets?
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[18:40] <Peio> I mean ... how do they work ?
[18:41] <shiftplusone> miracles
[18:41] <Hix> is upstream a specific developer / site?
[18:41] <Froolap> It would just be nice to be able to boot the pi from some of my spare laptop drives and put them to work.
[18:42] <shiftplusone> Hix, git clone git://git.buildroot.net/buildroot
[18:42] <Hix> ta muchly
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[18:46] <Ryccardo> Froolap: current CPU requires firmware from SD though, (but you can then load something which loads kernel from external drives I guess)
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[18:48] <Froolap> yeah the bootloader needs to be sd....
[18:48] <Froolap> I can dream about it
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[18:48] <ivh> Im just getting started with my first Pi, but here is the few scripts that I use for motion detection on the PiCam and a webcam, combined with android notifiations and uploading of snapshots to G+. https://github.com/ivh/piscripts
[18:49] <Ryccardo> pfffft, I need to drill my case...
[18:51] <giddles> ah
[18:51] <giddles> im doing exact the same ivh
[18:51] <giddles> how dou you upload to g+?
[18:52] <ivh> giddles: want to compare notes? :)
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[18:52] <ivh> giddles: see the uploadCam.py script there...
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[18:52] <giddles> im want to do it out of the motion configuration
[18:53] <giddles> im doing it by wput upload to my router where a local ftp is running
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[18:53] <giddles> 'sendEmail' sends me a message if camera is lost or motion an event is triggered
[18:53] <ivh> I had it that way first, but I did not want to hammer the API too much. A script run by cron that uploads the new ones felt better.
[18:54] <giddles> im fine with it
[18:54] <giddles> with '100%' the error rate is small or birdy caused
[18:54] <giddles> oh 100% "lightgap"
[18:55] <giddles> is it possible to ftp upload it to g+?
[18:55] <ivh> no, you have to use the API
[18:55] <ivh> tbh, I mostly use rsync to get the images from my Pi to my laptop...
[18:55] <ivh> the G+ thing was just to see if it works.
[18:55] <giddles> i got an hdd in my router
[18:56] <giddles> :)
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[18:56] <giddles> 1tb space only for motion 640x480 pictures
[18:56] <giddles> do you use picam or pi noir?
[18:56] <ivh> nice.
[18:56] <ivh> picam, I was hard tempted to get the noir instead though.
[18:56] <giddles> ill use noir and irlights
[18:56] <giddles> :)
[18:57] <giddles> works fine in monochrome color
[18:57] <ivh> but I know a bit about ccds and coulr program the picam to do properly exposed long night exposures instead.
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[18:58] <giddles> ill use i guess 840nm
[18:58] <giddles> works perfect
[18:58] <giddles> @ ir
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[19:00] <giddles> got also a single powerboard for all pi's with i think 10x 5m cable extension cord
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[19:02] <datacide> hi
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[19:03] <datacide> I just got a pi 2, anyone know a good blog or list of projects to browse?
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[19:06] <shiftplusone> datacide, I think google has you covered.
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[19:09] <Cheekio> disagree
[19:09] <Cheekio> PI2 has very little on google
[19:10] <mgottschlag> I don't think there are large differences between pi and pi2, except for additional power
[19:10] <shiftplusone> because it's the same thing as a pi1, but with an a7.
[19:10] <Cheekio> No, you've got a point. Pi1 projects can (universally?) be done with a pi2
[19:10] <Cheekio> I guess I agree
[19:11] <Cheekio> Still though, projects that need the extra 3 cores are few and far between
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[19:17] <Anorion> I notice that the additional cores help a lot with Mathematica
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[19:20] <ShadowJK> Also each core is like twice as fast
[19:20] <ShadowJK> (in some tasks)
[19:21] <shiftplusone> well... in most tasks it's as fast as you'd expect the v6 to run at the same clock rate.
[19:22] <shiftplusone> only where NEON is used do you actually see significant boosts.
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[19:24] <ShadowJK> the A7 should have an IPC advantage
[19:24] <Anorion> I imagine there will be gains in other areas
[19:24] <Anorion> having a dedicated core for all of the linux.system stuff means the other three are completely free
[19:25] <ShadowJK> Although I'm not too familiar with A7, it's the "sensible" A9, which was an upgrade to A8, which had a bit of a narrow front-end but could issue 2 instructions per cycle
[19:25] <Ryccardo> actually it tries to spread processes between all cores, AFAIK
[19:25] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, not the way software in debian seems to be compiled. If there's any IPC advantage, it doesn't translate to a noticeable improvement in the user experience.
[19:25] <Anorion> maybe for the pi3
[19:25] <methuzla> datacide are you looking for general pi projects, or ones specific to pi2?
[19:25] <Anorion> Ryccardo, yeah, but you can change that yourself
[19:26] <Froolap> I'll take either.
[19:26] <shiftplusone> Though benchmarks for ubuntu seem to indicate there's a bit of an improvement (something like 15%, which is... significant).
[19:26] <shiftplusone> I haven't verified that myself though =/
[19:27] <ShadowJK> shiftplusone; ipc gains, and to some extent cpu speed, don't tend to be that important for "interactive" stuff
[19:27] <Froolap> but will it let me irc faster?
[19:28] <shiftplusone> sunspider, application startup, page loading times, sysbench... I couldn't find anything where it makes a difference other than NEON stuff
[19:28] <Stephini> something like this would have no use in pi projects i'm guessing? found one in my grandad's old tools. http://www.amazon.com/DiversiTech-Corporation-EM111-Tester-60-500v-Ac-Dc/dp/B008FM41OQ
[19:29] <Anorion> useful for testing circuits, but less so than a multimeter
[19:29] <shiftplusone> heh, Stephini. Do you plan to test any neon bulbs?
[19:29] <Stephini> i was thinking maybe it would be able to test continuity. *shrug* just a thought. :P
[19:30] <Cheekio> Anyone have a nice usb keyboard they'd recommend?
[19:30] <Anorion> Poker 2
[19:30] <Stephini> Anorion, i was thinking the same thing. i cant afford a decent multi right now so thought maybe i could start moving on my projects with this. :P
[19:30] <Anorion> if you like 60% boards
[19:30] <Stephini> Cheekio, razer anansi
[19:30] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, what are you looking for in a keyboard?
[19:30] <Anorion> Stephini, I have a cheapo one from HArbor Freight
[19:30] <Anorion> like $0.99
[19:30] <Anorion> it works well enough
[19:31] <Cheekio> To connect it to my rpi
[19:31] <Cheekio> as a keyboard / mouse solution
[19:31] <Stephini> 99 cent multi? wow that really wouldn't be aproved by eevblog i'm guessing.
[19:31] <shiftplusone> given those parameters.... any keyboard.
[19:31] <Anorion> nope, it gives you an order-of-magnitude accuracy, and direction
[19:31] <Stephini> Cheekio, i use a logitech wireless keyboard with multitouch pad for media center.
[19:31] <Anorion> Stephini, cheapo ones are fine
[19:32] <Stephini> Anorion, eevblog kept saying cheapos can be dangerous to the end user is what i was saying. :P
[19:32] <Anorion> I demand a mechanical board for everyday use, though
[19:32] <Anorion> Stephini, I've had it for years, and it works fine
[19:32] <Stephini> ohh i got signals crossed. thought you were talking about the multi not the keyboard. >.<
[19:33] <Anorion> sorry, both
[19:33] <Anorion> so did I
[19:33] <Ryccardo> a super crapola one I have is quite incorrect (0,3 ohms by shorting the sockets), but an equal design I have is fine
[19:33] <shiftplusone> I use this one at work. http://support.logitech.com/product/illuminated-keyboard At home I use a razer blackwidow stealth. Considering getting a unicomp keyboard.
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[19:34] <Stephini> shiftplusone, i love my anansi. the lack of mech is my only regret. i'm concidering trying to remake the matrix with cheri MX and then solder that up to the control board so i can keep my T and M keys but have the mech feel.
[19:34] <Anorion> <3 model M
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[19:35] <Cheekio> T and M keys?
[19:35] <Anorion> if you really want to get into keyboard lore, hit up /r/mechanical_keyboards
[19:35] <Cheekio> I'm probably going to go the WASD route for work
[19:35] <Stephini> the M keys are 5 keys to the left of the main board that can be programmed and the T keys are modifier keys. 7 keys that handle every combination of alt shift and control.
[19:35] <shiftplusone> Stephini, I don't understand 60% and tenkeyless keyboards. Can't stand to use them.
[19:35] <Cheekio> I type dvorak, so... yeah. Might as well.
[19:36] <Cheekio> Tenkeyless?
[19:36] <Stephini> Cheekio, wasd? you mean qwerty?
[19:36] <Anorion> wasd is a brand
[19:36] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, without the numpad on the right
[19:36] <Stephini> tenkeyless?
[19:36] <Cheekio> No, I mean the worst brand named keyboards on the planet: wasdkeyboards.com
[19:36] <Stephini> ahh.
[19:36] <Cheekio> Though I do like my numberpads
[19:37] <shiftplusone> some people seem to hate numbers.
[19:37] <Stephini> i can't live without my anansi and naga combo anymore. gimp, blender, games...everywhere i am so reliant on the extra buttons.
[19:37] <Stephini> shiftplusone, i can get that although for my HTPC i dont ever need the top numbers so loosing the keypad is no big.
[19:38] <shiftplusone> sure, for an htpc, I can understand.
[19:38] <shiftplusone> For a workstation... bah.
[19:39] <Stephini> i actually use the keypad alot less since i got the naga. i do most of my number entry by thumb now.
[19:39] <Ryccardo> my PC has no numpad (not even the fn+letters on the right) and I haven't really missed it
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[19:40] <Stephini> do you do much data entry or graphical design?
[19:41] <Ryccardo> nah, mostly "real text"
[19:41] <Cheekio> Anyone want to take a stab at my issue?
[19:41] <Cheekio> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=104055
[19:42] <Stephini> ah if you worked with numbers alot i'd find it strange to not want a keypad. :P
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[19:42] <jamesaxl> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-9-controlling-a-dc-motor/hardware why they does not use transistor ?
[19:42] <Stephini> hrm i dont have an RPI2 yet so i gotta pass.
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[19:43] <Froolap> Cheekio: have you tried disabling screensaver/power management?
[19:43] <Cheekio> They're awesome... except for the lack of adoption
[19:43] <Cheekio> Froolap, I've turned them off via xset for the xserver
[19:44] <Cheekio> `xset q` tells me that dpms and blanking and exposures are off
[19:44] <Ryccardo> Stephini: now, if someone made a numpad with modifier keys just under it...
[19:44] <Cheekio> Also, I made a script to turn of dpms and blanking while omxplayer was running, and it didn't cause the issue
[19:44] <Cheekio> I'm going to try vlc next. I need to compile it which is never fun though
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[19:45] <Stephini> Ryccardo, you mean something similar to the T keys on my anansi? that seems weird.
[19:45] <Froolap> I'm running pidora (sort of.... upgraded for the rpi2) and don't have that issue.
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[19:50] <Froolap> on the pi1 I was having an issue of it telling the monitor to power down and not being able to wake it up.
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[19:50] <Froolap> when I disabled the screen saver and the power management, the problem was resolved
[19:51] <Mutantx> I've installed Archlinux on SD card and need to move it to USB. How would I go about doing this?
[19:51] <Froolap> the screen saver might be sending dpms signals despite the x-server settings
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[19:52] <Ryccardo> Mutantx: somehow duplicate the root partition to USB, edit fstab to match USB, edit cmdline.txt to set USB device as rootfs
[19:53] <Mutantx> Would a cp command work?
[19:53] <Mutantx> Since the Sd card is 16gb and the USB drive is 1tb
[19:53] <Ryccardo> if it preserves permissions, yup (read: do it as root)
[19:53] <buZz> Mutantx: raspi can -only- boot from SD
[19:54] <Ryccardo> but you could copy with dd and then resize2fs it
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[19:54] <Mutantx> buZz right but the bootloader will point to USB
[19:54] <buZz> ?
[19:54] <buZz> what bootloader
[19:54] <buZz> the one in GPU?
[19:54] <buZz> you cant modify that
[19:54] <Mutantx> As Ryccardo said I will use the SD card just point the root to USB
[19:54] <Stephini> could someone point me where i might look if i wanted to add a standard DC in jack on my pi case that forwards that to standard dc out jack that then plugs into my hub? i think i get the gist but am just lost on a little bit of it. (basically where would i get the male and female that i splice into the cable i already have.
[19:54] <buZz> ah ok you are still booting kernel from SD
[19:55] <buZz> cp -rxp / /mnt/usb
[19:55] <Mutantx> Unfortunately..
[19:55] <buZz> should do it fine
[19:55] <buZz> -x for 'only this filesystem'
[19:55] <buZz> and -p for 'keep permissions
[19:55] <buZz> -r for recursion
[19:55] <Mutantx> Woudl the HD only have 1 partition?
[19:55] <Ryccardo> Stephini: so you want an unprotected +5 connection to power the hub through the microusb input?
[19:56] <Ryccardo> Mutantx: as you prefer, just change the files I mentioned accordingly
[19:56] <buZz> Mutantx: i would put two partitions on it, one ext4 and one swap
[19:57] <Ryccardo> I'm anti-swap, but the Pi1 deserves it unfortunately
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[19:57] <buZz> try compiling a kernel on raspi without it :P
[19:58] <Ryccardo> buZz: I used Wii-Linux, even apt-get swaps hard (82 MB iirc)
[19:58] <buZz> whats wiilinux
[19:58] <Ryccardo> name says it all
[19:58] <Ryccardo> debian {the one before squeeze} for Wii
[19:58] <buZz> on pi?
[19:59] <Ryccardo> nope, the Pi is way more powerful
[20:00] <Stephini> Ryccardo, no my usb hub has a 5v in and came with it's own cable for it. I'm just wanting to extrude that port out to the case basically.
[20:00] <Cheekio> The pi is more powerful than the wii?
[20:00] <Cheekio> That can't be right
[20:00] <buZz> Stephini: adafruit.com has some plugs
[20:01] <Ryccardo> Cheekio: maybe the cpu is better (only the powerpc is used in Linux), memory is a definite bottleneck
[20:01] <Cheekio> How much memory does the wii have?
[20:01] <Cheekio> I thought they were made during the bottoming out of the desktop ram market
[20:02] <Stephini> buZz, do you know if there is any way to get a male and female of the plug type i already have instead of having to hack the cable which will resault in a bit of the macguiver look?
[20:02] <Ryccardo> Cheekio: 88 MB
[20:02] <buZz> Stephini: yes, find a shop that sells it
[20:02] <Cheekio> lol, is that a joke?
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[20:02] <Cheekio> Um, also, has anyone had luck with vlc on the pi2 / raspbian?
[20:02] <buZz> Cheekio: doesnt need much more, it runs a -single- application :) (normally)
[20:02] <Ryccardo> 24 MB mem1 + a 64 MB chip
[20:03] <Cheekio> Yikes
[20:03] <turtlehat> why does programs keep crashing in raspbian/lxde ?
[20:03] <buZz> turtlehat: with what error?
[20:03] <turtlehat> namely epiphany/chromium/gedit/gparted
[20:03] <turtlehat> just disappears
[20:03] <turtlehat> no error
[20:03] <buZz> check again
[20:03] <Ryccardo> Cheekio: yup, no userland OS in background (IOS, essentially a kernel with some library functions, runs on the ARM and not on the PPC)
[20:03] <buZz> start it from a console
[20:03] <turtlehat> or i dont know how to get the error
[20:04] <turtlehat> ok
[20:05] <Ryccardo> Cheekio: and THAT was the low-power torrent box of 2009 :p
[20:05] <turtlehat> buZz, it hasnt crashed, but keeps saying "glib-critical"
[20:05] <buZz> thats ok
[20:05] <turtlehat> ok
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[20:05] <buZz> Ryccardo: mine was a seagate dockstar :)
[20:06] <turtlehat> buZz, seg fault
[20:06] <buZz> turtlehat: check 'dmesg'
[20:06] <buZz> have you overclocked your pi?
[20:06] <turtlehat> yea, but since i thougth that was the problem, i have confirmed the same behaviour without overclocking
[20:07] <turtlehat> dmesg says nothing about the crash
[20:07] <buZz> :(
[20:07] <buZz> might just be a corrupt filesystem
[20:07] <turtlehat> fsck -y ?
[20:07] <buZz> not while running, no
[20:07] <turtlehat> well i will boot up in a vm and do it on the SD card
[20:07] <buZz> shutdown, move card to cardreader, fsck on other system
[20:07] <turtlehat> that good enough?
[20:07] <buZz> :P
[20:08] <turtlehat> yes
[20:08] <buZz> something like that
[20:08] <turtlehat> i just did that recently
[20:08] <turtlehat> :////
[20:08] <turtlehat> thx anyway
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[20:08] <turtlehat> isnt segmentation fault abotu writing in memory where its illegal though?
[20:09] <turtlehat> or can that be about the fs as well?
[20:09] <codestorm> is there an easy way to allow access to GPIO so i don't need root access? I've been going down a rabbit hole of websites trying to address this and haven't solved it
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[20:10] <turtlehat> dma without root access? :D
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[20:10] <Ryccardo> codestorm: activate the pins and chgrp them to a group you're in -- all in a startup script, reboot, enjoy
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[20:11] <Ryccardo> http://i.imgur.com/J2XVx.jpg what's the weird block under the GPIO area?
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[20:12] <codestorm> Ryccardo: I'm not sure how to do all that... do you have a script you could point me to?
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[20:13] <methuzla> codestorm also checkout WiringPi: http://wiringpi.com/
[20:14] <Cheekio> So where can I go to talk to other RPI2 early adopters?
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[20:14] <Ryccardo> codestorm: more or less this http://pastie.org/10028222
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[20:15] <codestorm> thanks, I've been looking at wiring pi. It's actually the wiring-pi node module I'm trying to use. I did get the gpio program to run, just not the node module
[20:16] <Ryccardo> so, does SSH run out of the box on the very first raspbian boot? if yes, which password?
[20:16] <turtlehat> Cheekio, i have one if thats what you mean
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[20:17] <Cheekio> turtlehat what are you doing with yours? I'm trying to set mine up as a media center and having a hellish time
[20:17] <Mutantx> Anyone know if I can use PARTUUID instead of FULL UUID in FSTAB?
[20:17] <turtlehat> im using mine as a low power desktop, and also hacking some electronics stuff with it
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[20:18] <turtlehat> learning to use the gpio and pthreads and sdl ... just trying it out :)
[20:18] <Ryccardo> Mutantx: if the disk's partition table supports it (GPT surely does, MBR surely doesn't) and so does the kernel, sure
[20:18] <turtlehat> whats hellish about your time, Cheekio
[20:19] <codestorm> thanks methuzla and Ryccardo
[20:19] <Cheekio> I've been debugging a video issue for days now: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=104055
[20:20] <Cheekio> short story is that omxplayer craps out after 20 minutes. Nothing interesting in the logs.
[20:20] <Cheekio> I'm trying to install vlc now, because I think kodi uses omxplayer and I was getting the same issues in kodi as I'm getting now in raspbian
[20:20] <turtlehat> oh omxplayer runs smooth for me
[20:20] <turtlehat> but im getting segfaults from programs in x, left and right
[20:20] <turtlehat> :|
[20:20] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, if you've ruled everything out, you can send your full set up in for testing.
[20:21] <Cheekio> I'd be happy to
[20:21] <Cheekio> I've got 2 pis that had this issue
[20:21] <Cheekio> 2 pi2s*
[20:21] <shiftplusone> cool, I'll check with the powers that be and let you know tomorrow.
[20:21] <Cheekio> So I can keep hacking on one while I have the other one sent in. I think it's an omxplayer issue
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[20:22] <shiftplusone> If I give it to Dom(popcornmix), I'm sure he'll have it figure out in minutes.
[20:22] <shiftplusone> what country are you in?
[20:23] <Cheekio> US
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[20:23] <shiftplusone> ah, a bit on the pricey side to post to the UK then, I guess.
[20:24] <Cheekio> turtlehat, have you been watching things on omxplayer, or did you just test it?
[20:24] <Cheekio> It takes ~20 minutes of video for the issue to show up
[20:24] <turtlehat> Cheekio, i watch movies often
[20:24] <shiftplusone> does the pi itself hang or is it just video?
[20:25] <turtlehat> same time as i use other stuff
[20:25] <Cheekio> Just omxplayer
[20:25] <turtlehat> omxplayer runs smooth here
[20:25] <Cheekio> If I give it a minute, I can esc out of it and restart omxplayer
[20:25] <Cheekio> on Kodi, it would do the same thing but it would crash the video player back to the file selection menu
[20:26] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, have you checked vc logs?
[20:26] <Cheekio> vcdbg? Yeah
[20:26] <shiftplusone> anything?
[20:26] <Cheekio> Let me pull them out, I saved them to a file
[20:26] <Cheekio> it didn't look promising
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[20:27] <shiftplusone> It sounds a bit like a memory leak
[20:27] <Cheekio> Oh yeah,
[20:27] <Cheekio> Bunch of "hdmi: HDMI: Action" calls around the failure
[20:27] <shiftplusone> but then you wouldn't be the only one with the problem
[20:27] <Cheekio> It looks like the first one was "hdmi: HDMI: power_on to CEA mode 1080p60"
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[20:28] <Mutantx> Ryccardo: I've added - UUID="0specificuuid" /root ext4 defaults 0 0 to fstab- and now the only thing I need to change is root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 to /root right?
[20:28] <Cheekio> then like a dozen or so hdmi: HDMI: Action <detach added to queue> < change_mode added to queue> etc
[20:28] <Ryccardo> Mutantx: waaaait
[20:28] <Cheekio> shiftplusone, I actually checked for memory usage- the GPU may be eating up its memory and crashing, but the OS doesn't know about it
[20:28] <Mutantx> should i make it /dev/sdba instead?
[20:29] <Cheekio> omxplayer never took up as much as 6% of the total memory throughout playback
[20:29] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, vcdbg provides a way to view the gpu memory usage as well... I think it spits things out in gnuplot-friendly format.
[20:29] <edjuh> here my browsers keep crashing, otherwise a smooth ride
[20:29] <Ryccardo> 1- no quotes in fstab or cmdline (enven though blkid prints them), 2- you'd want it to mount to / (/root is another thing), 3- parameter in cmdline is a device and not a partition (so root=/dev/sda1 or root=UUID=whatever)
[20:29] <shiftplusone> Anyway... I think I'll need to get the logs of you and show them to Dom.
[20:29] <Cheekio> I use 'sudo vcdbg log msg'
[20:30] <zeeshan> for the raspberry pi 2, whats the limitation on current for the 5v and 3.3 v pin on the gpio header
[20:30] <shiftplusone> zeeshan, depends on the usage by other things.
[20:30] <Cheekio> I guess I should read up on vcdbg
[20:30] <edjuh> zeeshan 700 mA
[20:30] <zeeshan> shiftplusone: usage of what
[20:31] <shiftplusone> O_o... current.
[20:31] <Ryccardo> Mutantx: so →→ UUID=whatever / ext4 defaults 0 1 ←← in fstab, root=UUID=whatever in cmdline
[20:31] <zeeshan> im asking for a max limit.
[20:31] <zeeshan> thanks edjuh
[20:31] <shiftplusone> ah, as long as we can make up random numbers.
[20:31] <zeeshan> im trying to use the 5v to excite a bridge
[20:32] <zeeshan> and 3.3 to power my ads1220 chip
[20:32] <edjuh> zeeshan by heart, rather check.
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[20:32] <shiftplusone> 5v, depends on the power supply.
[20:33] <shiftplusone> 3.3v... let me check the regulator datasheet
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[20:34] <Ryccardo> the +5 from the GPIO area is current limited though (if they didn't change that)
[20:35] <shiftplusone> 1A from the 3.3v line total
[20:35] <shiftplusone> but I'm not sure you got the point that GPIO isn't the only place those are used
[20:36] <shiftplusone> you need to take into account that usb devices draw from the 5v line and other things do too. Same goes for 3.3v
[20:36] <Mutantx> Ryccardo: Ah ok so just point specifically to the UUID rather than the folder that is mounted by fstab?
[20:36] <shiftplusone> Ryccardo, a limit that's not important here. It was bumped up on the b+/pi2. The real limiting happens for USB only.
[20:37] <zeeshan> shiftplusone: i understand other places use the current
[20:37] <Ryccardo> Mutantx: I typoed the message with the 3 corrections, but in cmdline you never enter a mountpoint, always a block device or an abstraction (label, uuid, ...)
[20:37] <zeeshan> i just wanted an absolute maximum
[20:37] <Ryccardo> shiftplusone: another reason to upgrade :/
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[20:38] <zeeshan> also one more q
[20:38] <shiftplusone> Just checked... the fuse has a 2A hold current. 4A trip
[20:38] <edjuh> shiftplusone: never the less, external power does not hurt a bit, if you want to run above 500 mA (my magic number) in total that is (ex USB)
[20:38] <zeeshan> can any of the gpio serve as chip selects?
[20:38] <shiftplusone> zeeshan, yes
[20:38] <zeeshan> okay, perfect this will work great. thank you!
[20:39] * zeeshan invests time in reading the manuals
[20:39] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't draw anywhere near those currents through a single pin though
[20:39] <ali1234> does anyone else smell smoke?
[20:39] <zeeshan> im going to be in the 50 - 150mA range max
[20:39] <shiftplusone> Oh, you're fine... except for maybe on the 3.3v line.
[20:40] <Cheekio> The rumors of gcc failing on make install when trying to install the latest vlc... are true
[20:40] <ali1234> gcc? make install? whaaaaat?
[20:41] <Cheekio> uh
[20:41] <Cheekio> This is out of my league, I thought gcc was what actually compiled code
[20:41] <Cheekio> is g++ the compiler? What does that make gcc?
[20:41] <ali1234> neither of them INSTALL things
[20:42] <Ryccardo> g++ is an alias for `gcc {some defaults for c++}`
[20:42] <ali1234> at what point does it actualy fail?
[20:42] <Ryccardo> and yes, you generally must `make` before `make install` (and often `./configure` before both)
[20:42] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, Don't worry, ali1234 is just being pedantic >_<. Though it certainly helps to get the terminology right and sgive the specific problem (pastebin the whole thing), if you actually want support.
[20:43] <ali1234> 'make install' typically requires sudo
[20:43] <Cheekio> http://www.oblivion-software.de/index.php?id=56&type=98
[20:43] <ali1234> running 'make' with sudo will mess up the permissions pretty bad
[20:44] <ali1234> show log...
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[20:46] <zeeshan> so to get rp2 running, i just need a keyboard, mouse, 5v 2-3A supply, hdmi cable to monitor?
[20:46] <Ryccardo> and microsd :)
[20:46] <edjuh> yups
[20:46] <zeeshan> whoops microsd too
[20:47] <ali1234> you don't need a mouse
[20:47] <Froolap> but a mouse is handy.
[20:47] <zeeshan> the 3.3V line is generated with an onboard regulator?
[20:47] <ali1234> it does seem to be impossible to get past the initial config for raspbian without a keyboard
[20:47] <Froolap> I recommend wireless mouse and keyboard
[20:47] <ali1234> i've never even seen a mouse pointer on my pi
[20:47] <edjuh> rapoo e2700 all you need
[20:48] <ali1234> i don't even know how you make it load a gui
[20:48] <shiftplusone> zeeshan, ssh is more than enough.
[20:48] <zeeshan> yes but for initial startup
[20:48] <Ryccardo> shiftplusone: but then ethernet cable is needed :)
[20:49] <shiftplusone> zeeshan, ssh is on by default
[20:49] <edjuh> Ryccardo: ++
[20:49] <ali1234> ssh doesn't seem to work for me. sshd doesn't seem to run until after you've completed the initial setup
[20:49] <ali1234> the serial console doesn't seem to run either
[20:49] <ali1234> so you need keyboard
[20:49] <shiftplusone> ali1234, it definitely runs.... so does serial.
[20:49] <ali1234> doesn't wfm
[20:49] <Peio> it didn't run on old versions but now it definetely does
[20:50] <shiftplusone> Peio, old as in early 2012
[20:50] <Peio> yeah probably :)
[20:50] <Peio> don't remember when I got my first pi :p
[20:50] <ali1234> i'm using 2015-02-16
[20:50] <shiftplusone> I don't think people use image from that far back, heh.
[20:51] <shiftplusone> ali1234, I'd try to help, but I think anything I'd suggest, you've already tried since you're no beginner. =/
[20:51] <ali1234> i just got a keyboard
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[20:51] * ozzzy was going to add a temp sensor to his Pi but no 3.5mm stereo jacks
[20:51] <shiftplusone> but I assure you that ssh and serial work on the same image for me.
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[20:53] <edjuh> mix it with adafruits pi-finder
[20:54] <heller\> raspbian should be totalle yheadless from the start
[20:55] <OffensiveUser> how do you propose that should work
[20:55] <edjuh> that would be nice, but how to find the ip than
[20:55] <heller\> from a routers dhcp list
[20:55] <ali1234> or use avahi
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[20:55] <heller\> avahi?
[20:55] <edjuh> or include some easy display
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[20:56] <ali1234> yes, avahi :)
[20:56] * Ryccardo i have a deja vu :)
[20:56] <heller\> what is avahi?
[20:56] <shiftplusone> +1 for avahi
[20:56] <ali1234> a zeroconf networking daemon for linux
[20:57] <heller\> aa
[20:57] <Ryccardo> you may know it as mdnsresponder
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[20:57] <ali1234> or bonjour
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[20:57] <edjuh> it would be slight of couse for the rpi intended public to headless from scratch
[20:57] <ali1234> we don't all have to use the same image
[20:58] <Ryccardo> heller\: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rle3b
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[20:59] <OffensiveUser> well
[20:59] <heller\> stupid lighttpd
[20:59] <heller\> cant start because logfile is missing
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[21:01] <ali1234> 40d0e6f0f4a9c95657c100226bd89041 2015-02-16-raspbian-wheezy.img <- is that the right md5sum?
[21:02] <heller\> reverse ssh tunnel is aaaaweesooomeee
[21:03] <Ryccardo> ali1234: yup
[21:03] <H__> heller\: graceful degradation is difficult ;-)
[21:03] <ali1234> cheers
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[21:06] <Ryccardo> bbl, going to the garage for soldering work :)
[21:07] <edjuh> oh oh
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[21:08] <jamesaxl> should i create /sys/class/rpi-pwm/pwm0/ by hand ,
[21:08] <ali1234> no
[21:08] <jamesaxl> i did not find
[21:08] <ali1234> you wont even be able to
[21:08] <Ryccardo> jamesaxl: you're probably missing a kernel module
[21:08] <ali1234> /sys is a special filesystem, all files are created by kernel
[21:12] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: i miss it currentinstallation ?
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[21:12] <jamesaxl> i miss it during installation ?
[21:12] <Cheekio> I just got through my first video
[21:12] <Cheekio> ~29 minutes
[21:12] <Cheekio> I may have solved it
[21:13] <Ryccardo> jamesaxl: does `sudo modprobe rpi-pwm` complain?
[21:14] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: yep, Module rpi-pwm not found
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[21:14] <Ryccardo> looks like it's not part of the base OS then, you'll have to compile it
[21:15] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: make config, check and make; make install ?
[21:15] <jamesaxl> check it
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[21:16] <Ryccardo> eh, I don't know about this one, it sounded like an optional preinstalled one like the 12c driver but it's not
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[21:22] <zeeshan> there a pin to screw terminal type of addon for the pi?
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[21:34] <ali1234> soo....... writing the image and then reading it back from the sd card gives completely different results
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[21:34] <ali1234> but no errors are raised anywhere
[21:34] <ali1234> this card must be really stuffed
[21:34] <shiftplusone> ali1234, are you accounting for the 'empty' space.
[21:35] <ali1234> yes
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[21:35] <ali1234> the first difference is at 0x00058df0
[21:35] <shiftplusone> syncing after dd?
[21:36] <ali1234> yes
[21:36] <ali1234> not that it is necessary
[21:36] <jamesaxl> Ryccardo: please what Gu/Linux are you running in your Raspberry pi
[21:36] <shiftplusone> it is if you'd normally just yank the card out and pop it into the pi
[21:36] <ali1234> i haven't unplugged it
[21:36] * shiftplusone nods
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[21:37] <shiftplusone> wasn't mounted at any point? (just going through the checklist of what people generally do wrong)
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[21:37] <ali1234> no
[21:38] <Encrypt> Hi!
[21:38] <shiftplusone> well.... that sucks.
[21:38] <ali1234> it's broken
[21:38] <Encrypt> My friend is wondering whether it is possible to use the GPIO without wiringpi, in C?
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[21:38] <shiftplusone> Encrypt, certainly... wiringpi does, after all.
[21:38] <ali1234> yes, it's possible. just open /dev/mem and write away
[21:38] <shiftplusone> Encrypt, ^ that. Or use the kernel driver.
[21:39] <Encrypt> Ok :
[21:39] <Encrypt> :]
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[21:40] <ali1234> at least this explains why the serial console doesn't work
[21:41] <Encrypt> Or apparently /sys/class/gpio/?
[21:41] <ali1234> that's the kernel driver
[21:42] <shiftplusone> Encrypt, that's the 'correct' way to do it, yes.
[21:42] <shiftplusone> The hacky, faster, frowned-upon way is to poke the memory directly.
[21:42] <ali1234> it won't be fast doing it that way, but depending on what you want to do, that probably won't matter
[21:42] <shiftplusone> you can check the wiringpi source code
[21:42] <shiftplusone> if you're unsure
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[21:44] <shiftplusone> It would probably be a good idea to expose a /dev/gpiomem to make it a little more sane than using /dev/mem.
[21:45] <ali1234> i don't really like these "drivers" that just expose one chunk of physical memory
[21:45] <shiftplusone> why?
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[21:46] <ali1234> they're often insecure due to being hacky re-implementations of /dev/mem
[21:46] <ali1234> for nearly everyone the existing /sys interface is enough
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[21:47] <shiftplusone> yeah, but people insist on using the memory since 'must has all the speeds'.
[21:47] <ali1234> so?
[21:48] <shiftplusone> so it would be a good idea to provide a way of doing so without exposing all the memory.
[21:48] <shiftplusone> and it all fits nicely into a page of memory
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[21:50] <ali1234> to what extent is it possible to run the arm core without the vc running?
[21:50] <Cheekio> shiftplusone, I went back and tried running locally again, this time it's working
[21:50] <Cheekio> looks like the sshfs setup I use on raspbian and the sftp/ssh connection on kodi doesn't play well with omxplayer on rpi2's
[21:51] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, are you using sshfs or something or...how are you telling omxplayer to read a file over ssh?
[21:52] <Cheekio> I'm using sshfs to mount the drive, then using omxplayer to run the file as if it's on a mounted drive
[21:52] <shiftplusone> okay, seems like something I can easily test here
[21:52] <Cheekio> Again, it takes 20 minutes to crash
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[21:52] <ali1234> probably out of memory
[21:53] <Cheekio> Maybe the GPU is, but I checked running processes- nothing over 6% of available system memory
[21:53] <ali1234> sure, after it has crashed
[21:53] <Cheekio> during
[21:53] <ali1234> not convinced
[21:53] <Cheekio> one sec
[21:53] <Cheekio> you'll like this, I promise
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[21:54] <shiftplusone> ali1234, afaik, VC adjusts sdram clocks based on temperature (or something). And of course it's needed to bring the ARM up in the first place.
[21:54] <Cheekio> watch 'echo `date` && ps aux | awk '"'"'{print $2, $4, $11}'"'"' | sort -k2rn | head -n 10 >> mem_top.txt'
[21:54] <Cheekio> ^^ ali1234 check that shit out
[21:55] <ali1234> did you just reimplement top?
[21:55] <Cheekio> for memory, to a file
[21:55] <Cheekio> You can do top M, but then you don't get it output to a file
[21:55] <Cheekio> So... short answer, yeah, I checked memory during omxplayer runtime
[21:57] <ali1234> http://sourceforge.net/p/fuse/wiki/SshfsFaq/#sshfs-hangs-after-a-while
[21:57] <ali1234> ^ try that
[21:57] <shiftplusone> looks promising.
[21:58] <Cheekio> SSHFS may be sleeping after 20 minutes then
[21:59] <Cheekio> I can just rerun the omxplayer on the command line after it crashes though
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[21:59] <Cheekio> SSHFS doesn't need remounting / show issues when cd'ing around
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[22:00] <shiftplusone> ali1234, if you want to bring up the ARM and leave the VPUs to do... whatever you want, then this might be a good starting point https://github.com/freeblob/freeblob
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[22:01] <shiftplusone> but you'd mostly be poking around blind
[22:01] <ali1234> looks interesting, thanks
[22:01] <ali1234> what else is new?
[22:01] <shiftplusone> well, more-so.
[22:02] <ali1234> my reasoning is that it would be easier to poke around if i'm not stomping on the VC
[22:02] <ali1234> then i can take direct control of eg. pixel pumps from ARM, and not have to fight another CPU doing things i can't trace
[22:02] <shiftplusone> that's my123's thing. I still haven't quite figured out if he knows stuff or just thinks he does, but it does seem like he was able to bring the ARM up from his own start.elf equivalent.
[22:03] <ali1234> yeah, so minimal start.elf + phire's monitor envionment = many hacks
[22:04] <shiftplusone> there's a big gap between 'bringing the ARM up' and 'doing something useful on it'. You don't just get to run linux straight away.
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[22:04] <ali1234> i don't want to run linux... i want to run a monitor
[22:04] <ali1234> linux is too complex for RE
[22:04] <shiftplusone> "just saying"
[22:04] <ali1234> you never know what's happening in other processes
[22:05] <ali1234> on windows mobile we had a tool called haret
[22:05] <ali1234> = handset reverse engineering tool
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[22:13] <jlf> anyone have comments about moebius vs. minibian?
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[22:17] <zacts> what features does the rpi have over the beaglebone black?
[22:17] <zacts> I have a beaglebone black, but don't know if I should also try out an rpi
[22:18] <shiftplusone> It's cheaper... it's supposed to have less features. O_o
[22:19] <Xark> zacts: Less expensive, faster (for RPi2), more memory (for RPi2) less I/O, no built in MMC, normal HDMI connector
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[22:19] <zacts> oh cool
[22:19] <shiftplusone> But you get twice as much RAM, a quad core a7, camera support and so on
[22:19] <zacts> oh neat
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[22:20] <Xark> zacts: BBB has nice PRU units for low-level timing sensitive IO uses (without bit-banging) - but non-trivial to use.
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[22:20] <abnormal> buy one of these, it'll do a lot more..... ===> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7839120
[22:21] <nefarious> slightly more expensive...
[22:21] <McBride36> just a touch
[22:21] <Xark> abnormal: Sure, but boring. :)
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[22:22] <zacts> is it true that the rpi requires proprietary firmware to run?
[22:22] <antokara> ok so I bought RPi2 and having problems since day one. For starters I must say that with the same HDMI cable/tv I have no problems with my old pi type b. The problem with pi2 is that I get "bad pixels" without hdmi boost 6 and video playback stutters unless I set audio output to analog. go figure!
[22:23] <Xark> zacts: Yes. But only on GPU side, I believe (ARM is totally open).
[22:23] <zacts> ah ok cool
[22:23] <x29a> antokara: they are different after all...
[22:23] <shiftplusone> ARM is totally open!?
[22:23] <shiftplusone> far from it
[22:23] <zacts> I personally wouldn't use graphical processing much
[22:23] <antokara> x29a: what do you mean?
[22:23] <Xark> shiftplusone: OK, but no proprietary ARM firmware?
[22:24] <shiftplusone> yeah, I misread what you meant
[22:24] <shiftplusone> do keep in mind that this whole 'needing proprietary firmware to boot' thing is stupid. So does everything else.
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[22:25] <shiftplusone> The only difference is that the pi's firmware lives on the sd card where it's visible rather than burned into chips.
[22:26] <abnormal> Xark, if you like really good complicated boards, get an Altera board... that'lll keep ya real busy....
[22:26] <Xark> abnormal: I have several. :)
[22:26] <Cheekio> Setting the ServerAliveInterval didn't seem to do it
[22:26] <ali1234> my arduino doesn't need proprietary firmware to boot
[22:27] <zacts> shiftplusone: oh interesting
[22:27] <shiftplusone> ali1234, -.- and how does that work as a modern PC? =P
[22:27] <ali1234> how does a raspberry pi work as a modern pc???
[22:27] <shiftplusone> but point taken
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[22:29] <Xark> ali1234: Hey, your Arduino is only one fuse bit away from being TOTALLY LOCKED DOWN. :)
[22:29] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure it's impossible to permanently brick an AVR if you have a high voltage programmer
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[22:30] <ali1234> i could be wrong though
[22:30] <jlf> zacts: you can get an fpga dev kit for <US$40 :)
[22:31] <Xark> ali1234: Yes, you can generally still erase the chip if locked, but not get the contents (well, without significant "extra effort").
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[22:31] <jlf> err, make that <US$30
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[22:32] * Xark links http://www.latticestore.com/default.aspx?tabid=418 ($26.23 for a decent FPGA, with programmer and USB UART).
[22:33] <ali1234> link doesn't work
[22:33] <Xark> Or, if you want a Pi flavored version there is http://www.bugblat.com/products/pif/index.html
[22:34] <Xark> ali1234: Try http://www.latticestore.com/products/tabid/417/categoryid/59/productid/269
[22:34] <Xark> (crappy site requires you to put it in your cart to see price...)
[22:35] * Xark notes you will need an x86 PC (and free vendor software) to create FPGA designs (although you can program the PIF from the Raspberry Pi).
[22:37] * Xark links to his Atari 2600 reproduction https://imgur.com/Ayc3U59 using this project (ported to this cheap board) -> https://retromaster.wordpress.com/a2601/
[22:38] <Cheekio> shiftplusone, are you trying to recreate the issue I ran into with sshfs?
[22:38] <Cheekio> I'm updating my RPi forums post
[22:38] <shiftplusone> Cheekio, nope... eating a lamb kebab wrap and then trying to get some actual work I was planning to do done.
[22:39] <shiftplusone> Spent the whole day in the office watching youtube videos and on IRC instead of being productive.
[22:39] <Cheekio> Esh
[22:39] <Cheekio> Happy Sunday, I guess
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[22:41] <Cheekio> The workaround of saving files to disk seems to be solid, although it means I won't be able to watch files bigger than a few gigs
[22:42] <jlf> Xark: hmm, xilinx tools won't run under gnu/linux arm?
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[22:43] <ali1234> cool. dumpbootrom.bin from hermann hermitage loads and runs over usb with rpiboot
[22:45] <shiftplusone> wasn't it over serial?
[22:45] <ali1234> it dumps the bootrom over serial
[22:45] <shiftplusone> ah... I failed at reading again
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[22:45] <ali1234> i loaded it over usb by switching it for usbbootcode.bin
[22:46] <ali1234> you;re supposed to put it in the sdcard in place of bootcode.bin
[22:46] <shiftplusone> nice
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[22:47] <shiftplusone> aye, I remember
[22:47] <Mutantx> Ryccardo: Archlinux wasn't playing well with UUID in cmdline. Used PARTUUID and it worked fine. THanks a lot everything is up.
[22:48] <Mutantx> Is the addition to FSTAB redundant though?
[22:48] <Xark> jlf: Not that I am aware. They barely run under Linux (need specific Red Hat libraries etc.)
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[22:49] <Xark> jlf: (Note that that the FPGAs pictured and linked above are Lattice, but same deal for all three big vendors).
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[22:51] <Ryccardo> Mutantx: not sure about whether Arch picks up the options "defaults" from fstab for root, but it definutely uses "dump" and "check" (the 2 numbers at the end)
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[23:01] <jlf> Xark: the novena wiki links to http://www.freerangefactory.org/site/index.php , which hosts a fiaf python (!) synthesis tool
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[23:04] <Xark> jlf: I doubt it can go into FPGA without vendor tools.
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[23:07] <jlf> they also sell a couple of boards that can be programmed with both their py tool and ise, so apparently it can
[23:09] <Xark> jlf: I don't believe it. I suspect it is a front end and to actually get into a FPGA, you need vendor tools. I am only aware of one reverse engineering project, and it is very limited (and only works on a specific model FPGA).
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[23:10] <Xark> Or, rather to get it into a "bitstream" (FPGA image). Once you have an image, easy to "upload" (as PIF does on RPi).
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[23:20] <jlf> Xark: *shrug* i guess time will tell, as many novena owners will doubtless try to use it instead of ise
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[23:21] <Xark> jlf: Do you have a proper link? I don't see anything on that freerange site...
[23:21] <zeeshan> the gpio pins on the rp2 , whats the pitch and size of them?
[23:22] <zeeshan> 2.54mm?
[23:22] <Xark> jlf: This "boot" thing is just a simulator IDE as best I can tell. http://www.freerangefactory.org/site/pmwiki.php/Main/Software
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[23:23] <jlf> Xark: http://www.freerangefactory.org/site/pmwiki.php/Main/Hardware and http://novena-guide.readthedocs.org/en/PVT2/fpga-hacking.html
[23:23] <Xark> jlf: OK, hardware is a just a Xula/Xula2 board (have those)....
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[23:24] <jlf> doh! from http://www.freerangefactory.org/site/pmwiki.php/Main/BootDoc , 1.3.4 Synthesis The synthesize tab allows you to synthesize your code and obtain a .bit file that can be used to program your FPGA. Currently only Xilinx devices are supported. <<<In order to successfully synthesize your design, you must have the Xilinx ISE software tool installed in your machine.>>>
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[23:25] <Xark> jlf: And on Novena site: "These guides cover a lot of context about getting *vendor software installed*, HDL languages, FPGA hardware resources, timing and constraint specification, the compilation and synthesis process, and the various toolchain workflows; this content won’t be repeated here."
[23:25] <Xark> jlf: Anyways, FPGAs are cool, but you NEED vendor tools currently. Nothing I have seen makes me thing otherwise. :)
[23:25] <Xark> think*
[23:25] <jlf> well, some people don't object to vendor software
[23:26] <jlf> yeah i missed the bit about needing ise installed initially :(
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[23:28] <Xark> jlf: No worries. :) At least the vendor tools are free (as in beer - for non "huge" devices at least).
[23:28] <Xark> jlf: You can do all the design and simulation work in free tools too.
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[23:29] * jlf nods
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[23:31] * Xark almost got a Novena, but too many toys (and a bit expensive for "maybe I'll use it"). RPi2 with Logi Pi (http://valentfx.com/logi-pi/) is pretty close to a Novena - similar ARM core and same FPGA. :)
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[23:31] <pizearke> are there any resources on integrating assembly and C++?
[23:32] <Xark> pizearke: Yes...what specifically?
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[23:32] <Xark> pizearke: The "bible" is probably http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ihi0041d/IHI0041D_cppabi.pdf
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[23:33] <pizearke> specifically calling an assembly function from a C program
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[23:33] <Xark> pizearke: Just extern "C" it, generally.
[23:34] <pizearke> ?
[23:34] <Xark> pizearke: However do you want details on how to write the assembly code?
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[23:34] <Xark> pizearke: extern "C" void my_asm_func();
[23:34] <pizearke> I used to be really familiar with x86 assembly
[23:34] <pizearke> like 5 years ago
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[23:35] <pizearke> And I know the convention with that was to push the base pointer and take things from below that on the stack without popping
[23:35] <pizearke> and those were the parameters iirc
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[23:35] <pizearke> So if I called f(x, y) from a C application
[23:36] <pizearke> where would I get x and y on the other end?
[23:36] <Xark> pizearke: Generally passed in registers.
[23:36] <pizearke> Generally?
[23:36] <Xark> pizearke: That is the ABI (let me get better link, not the C++ supplment).
[23:37] <Xark> pizearke: Yes, there are exceptions (varargs etc.)
[23:37] <pizearke> oh jeez
[23:37] <pizearke> what?
[23:37] <pizearke> to my knowledge I'm only going to be passing regular old ints and stuff of the sort
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[23:38] <Xark> pizearke: What I suggest is make a tiny C test program and compile with "-save-temps" (and perhaps -fverbose-asm) and look at how the compiler does it. :)
[23:39] <pizearke> oh that's an interesting idea
[23:39] <pizearke> I might do that
[23:39] <pizearke> when I get to my pi
[23:39] <Xark> pizearke: An overview is here (official ABI document is a "pain" to sort through) -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calling_convention#ARM
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[23:40] <pizearke> I'm actually writing the code right now without anything to test it on :P
[23:41] <Xark> pizearke: Grab a cross-compiler (easy). http://elinux.org/ARMCompilers
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[23:41] <Xark> pizearke: Also ARM QEMU images if you want to try running...
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[23:44] <drag0nius> any idea if rpi (512MB version) can handle 2 usb ethernet adapters?
[23:44] <drag0nius> without powered hub
[23:44] <Froolap> I have been running 2 wireless dongles on my pi. banana as well as raspberry
[23:45] <Froolap> connected directly to the pi, 2A power supply
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[23:46] <Xark> drag0nius: You may need in config.txt max_usb_current=1
[23:46] <Froolap> but, that's not to say that it can handle ANY or all combinations of wireless adapters without the aid of a powered hub.
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[23:47] <Froolap> it may well be that it only likes my combination of wireless keyboard and wireless dongle.
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[23:49] <pizearke> I'm not using a very fast computer at all
[23:49] <pizearke> Best to stick with reading and writing
[23:49] <pizearke> definitely couldn't run a vm
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[23:52] <Criggie> pizearke: pish tosh. I ran a win98 VM on a linux P3 700 with 256 MB ram. The VM had 64 MB ram and it "ran" "okay" if you were patient
[23:52] <jlf> luxury!
[23:53] <Criggie> "uphill, both ways!"
[23:53] <pizearke> you say that
[23:54] <pizearke> I have trouble opening notepad
[23:54] <pizearke> okay dumb question
[23:54] <ozzzy> buddy of mine wrote a windows text editor in assembly (he's a masochist)... ran like a raped ape
[23:54] <pizearke> any positive number in two's complement notation is going to be the same as it is in regular notation, right?
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[23:57] <Froolap> I wonder how well dosbox could run on a pi and play wing commander with usb cd-rom
[23:58] <willmore> pizearke, yes.
[23:58] <pizearke> ok swell
[23:58] <ozzzy> it runs well
[23:58] <ozzzy> I haven't played games with it
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