#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-17

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[0:00] <ozzzy> mine does
[0:01] <[Saint]> Its only as good as its network connection and/or the server its syncing from.
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[0:01] <[Saint]> If you don't have an active network connection, the drift can be /quite/ substantial.
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[0:02] <[Saint]> I had a pi that was up for about 4 months with no network connection and the fake hw clock drifted slow by aqbout 5 and a half hours.
[0:02] <[Saint]> *about
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[0:03] <[Saint]> Another one I had set up drifted fast by about an hour over the course of two months or so.
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[0:03] <[Saint]> TL;DR: they're not particularly accurate when left to their own devices with no sync source.
[0:03] <CoJaBo> Still wayy better than my last Windows laptop. lol
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[0:04] <Ryccardo> http://i59.tinypic.com/11lmznp.jpg
[0:04] <CoJaBo> ..people still use tinypic?
[0:04] <[Saint]> uuuuugh
[0:04] <[Saint]> *cough* imgur *cough*
[0:05] <Ryccardo> better than imageshack that one days decides to drop random photos, hehe
[0:05] <CoJaBo> My Windows laptop would drift by about 1.01 seconds per second
[0:05] <[Saint]> *cough* imgur *cough*
[0:06] <CoJaBo> Imgur: the solution to all coughs.
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[0:17] <teknic111> I have a strange network problem with my pi...
[0:19] <teknic111> After a hard reboot, my pi boots up with an ip address, but it doesnt respond to other request from my network
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[0:21] <[Saint]> I'm not certain there's enough information there to form any sort of reasonable diagnosis.
[0:21] <teknic111> i am trying to ssh into the pi from a computer on my network and it won't connect, however, it will connect ONLY after i send a ping request from the pi to the computer I am trying to ssh into.
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[0:22] <teknic111> *ssh from
[0:22] <teknic111> what would cause such a thing?>
[0:22] <McBride36> have you got ssh enabled?
[0:22] <teknic111> yes
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[0:22] <[Saint]> Obviously.
[0:22] <McBride36> well i'm out of ideas
[0:22] <teknic111> everything was working fine
[0:22] <[Saint]> hahahaha - nice one.
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[0:23] <teknic111> it just stopped working while receiving http requests
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[0:23] <[Saint]> Sounds more like a funky router problem to me.
[0:24] <[Saint]> Have you tried the good 'ol "switch it off, then back on again"?
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[0:24] <teknic111> yes
[0:24] <[Saint]> The router, I mean, not the pi. Though, both can't hurt.
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[0:25] <teknic111> not the router
[0:25] <[Saint]> That'd be my first suggestion.
[0:25] <teknic111> yeah, i was trying to avoid that
[0:25] <[Saint]> After that, if we're still facing the issue, we can try digging deeper.
[0:25] <teknic111> alright
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[0:26] <teknic111> here goes nothing
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[0:26] <aberrant> wait
[0:26] <aberrant> the problem is that the pi is not responding to arp requests.
[0:26] <aberrant> or your switch is not forwarding them :)
[0:27] <teknic111> yes
[0:27] <teknic111> is there anyway to fix it without rebooting the router ?
[0:27] <aberrant> they’re on the same network?
[0:27] <teknic111> yes
[0:27] <[Saint]> the latter, and the fact that it suddenly stopped working, is why I suggested taking the router down and bringing it back up again.
[0:27] <aberrant> is it a wired connection?
[0:27] <[Saint]> Consumer routers are very often...well...crap.
[0:27] <teknic111> wireless
[0:28] <[Saint]> And tie themselves in knots after long runtimes.
[0:28] <aberrant> bah
[0:28] <aberrant> if it’s wifi it could be 10 other issues also
[0:28] * [Saint] nods
[0:28] <aberrant> have you tried downing the pi interface and bringing it back up?
[0:28] <teknic111> no, but i hard booted the pi
[0:28] <[Saint]> so, yes, then.
[0:28] <aberrant> that’ll do it :)
[0:28] <teknic111> yes
[0:28] <ShorTie> this is wlreless ??
[0:29] <teknic111> yes
[0:29] <aberrant> both sides are wireless?
[0:29] <teknic111> no
[0:29] <teknic111> just the pi
[0:29] <aberrant> ah.
[0:29] <ShorTie> that where the problem lies
[0:29] <teknic111> the pi is the only device on my networking acting in such a way
[0:29] <[Saint]> At this stage the simplest thing to attempt is taking the router down and bringing it back up. IMO.
[0:30] <aberrant> agree with [Saint]
[0:30] <ShorTie> na
[0:30] <teknic111> yeah
[0:30] <ShorTie> reboot won't hurt, but seriously dought it will fix the issue
[0:31] <[Saint]> Based on your infinite wisdom, eh?
[0:31] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[0:31] <aberrant> I’ve seen stranger things be fixed. Generally the bridge code between wifi and eth is crap
[0:32] <[Saint]> Precisely.
[0:32] <aberrant> plus rpi + wifi = weirdness almost always :)
[0:32] <[Saint]> Consumer grade routers are just...crap, generally speaking.
[0:32] <[Saint]> Long uptime periods usually end in them tying themselves in knots.
[0:32] <teknic111> this router i have is suppost to be the best consumer router one can buy
[0:32] <aberrant> but as [Saint] said, it’s low-risk, low-cost
[0:33] <[Saint]> Taking it down and bringing it back up again costs you nothing but a couple of minutes downtime, if that.
[0:33] <[Saint]> And, if it fixes the issue - great!
[0:33] <teknic111> i'm just gonna lose all my assigned ip addresses
[0:33] <[Saint]> If it doesn't, nothing lost.
[0:33] <ShorTie> mostly it's in how it is setup that causes the problems
[0:33] <[Saint]> teknic111: huh?
[0:33] <[Saint]> That shouldn't be a thing at all with a correctly established network.
[0:34] <teknic111> all my machines will get new ip addresses
[0:34] <ShorTie> hmm, reset dhcp server
[0:34] <aberrant> so, 1) dhcp reservations are your friend, and 2) shouldn’t matter.
[0:34] <[Saint]> Even if you don't assign static IPs to the device(s) in question, pretty much every consumer grade router can do DNS reservation tables.
[0:34] <ShorTie> will not change stuff
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[0:34] <teknic111> which means reconfiguring a bunch of crap
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[0:34] <aberrant> teknic111: dhcp reservations
[0:35] <[Saint]> aberrant: I think I love you - you're the only person I've met in a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time that knows DNS reservation is a thing.
[0:35] <aberrant> erm… thanks? :)
[0:35] <[Saint]> teknic111: its worth it to "configure a bunch of crap", at the present point your network is so fragile its not even funny.
[0:36] <[Saint]> One power outage and you're down.
[0:36] <aberrant> yeah. you do it once, you forget about it.
[0:36] <teknic111> ok thx, let me figure out hoe dns reservation works on my router
[0:36] <[Saint]> And DNS reservation is really trivial to setup, honestly.
[0:36] <aberrant> it’s dhcp reservation, not dns
[0:36] <aberrant> :)
[0:36] <teknic111> yes, dhcp
[0:36] <[Saint]> Ah, yeah, sorry. 'tis indeed.
[0:36] <aberrant> teknic111: grab the mac addresses of all the devices you need to map to static IPs, and then enter them in to the appropriate table.
[0:36] * [Saint] can't...errrm, mouthwords.
[0:37] <ShorTie> assign static's by mac at the router
[0:37] <[Saint]> or hostname, or both.
[0:37] <aberrant> no, not hostname
[0:37] <ShorTie> then you can wipe/reload and still know where it is
[0:37] <aberrant> that’s dynamic dns reservations :)
[0:37] <[Saint]> I generally do MAC+mostname, since MAC alone is so easy to spoof.
[0:38] <aberrant> what model router does that, [Saint]
[0:38] <aberrant> ?
[0:38] <[Saint]> *hostnamer
[0:38] <[Saint]> gah...can't type.
[0:38] <aberrant> doesn’t matter, I guess. just get those IP addrs reserved
[0:38] <aberrant> anycase - upgrading to jessie
[0:39] <aberrant> I hope I don’t have the same problem I had 3 hours ago when I did this the first time.
[0:39] <aberrant> booted into gui despite raspi-config settings.
[0:39] <ShorTie> most peeps work on a intranet, so spoofing is up to them and will not happen
[0:39] <[Saint]> aberrant: pretty much every TP-Link model I've ever used, I believe. At home I use a "real" router, though. A dedicated machine as router/firewall and a switchbank.
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[0:40] <[Saint]> FOr consumer grade routers, I think TP-Link is the best of a bad bunch, personally.
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[0:40] <[Saint]> If you want to go higer end of consumer grade, Ubiqity is the way to go.
[0:41] <[Saint]> They make some niiiiiiice gear.
[0:41] * niston agrees
[0:41] <niston> UBNT ftw
[0:41] <Froolag> xan someone tell me why my rpi2b is running at 600000 while my rpiB= is running at 700000?
[0:42] <Froolag> errr RpiB= = RPIB+
[0:42] <ShorTie> i more like the ""real" router: thing
[0:42] <Froolag> I like the wwrt asus routes
[0:42] <niston> real router: https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-pro/
[0:42] <[Saint]> Froolag: there's no real answer other than "because it is", frankly.
[0:43] <[Saint]> The voltage tables are also slightly different, IIRC>
[0:43] <[Saint]> You're free to adjust the clock and voltage assignments as you see fit.
[0:44] <Froolag> well, should I put something in the config to get it to run at the 900MHz it's supposed to be?
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[0:45] <Froolag> I'm not wanting to over clock, I just don't want to under clock.
[0:45] <ShorTie> aberrant, when upgrading to jessie what answers did you give to the questions ??
[0:45] <teknic111> reservations complete
[0:45] <teknic111> going down for reboot
[0:45] <Froolag> Or is there something that I'm not understandingg?
[0:46] <aberrant> ShorTie: you mean the file replacements? it’s on a case-by-case basis
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[0:46] <ShorTie> ya i know
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[0:46] <aberrant> well, let’s see. bashrc was overwritten, the other two I left the same.
[0:46] <ShorTie> been there done that many a times
[0:47] <Xark> Froolag: The RPi2 supposedly dynamically adjusts clock rate. If it think it is not fully busy, it will reduce 900MHz (I believe). How are you reading these values?
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[0:47] <thescatman> Xark, that is correct
[0:47] <thescatman> iirc it's actually 700MHz though
[0:47] <ShorTie> i found the defualt work well except for the lightdm 1
[0:48] <Xark> Hmm, Raspberry Pi B 2 has s 900MHz clock (nominally).
[0:48] <Xark> a*
[0:48] <ShorTie> lightdm.conf
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[0:48] <thescatman> Froolag, are you looking at the core clock while it's under load?
[0:48] <thescatman> It will show something like 600MHz or whatever at idle
[0:48] <Ryccardo> aberrant: oh wait, did you switch to systemd-sysv?
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[0:49] <[Saint]> The simplest answer is "just don't worry about it".
[0:49] <aberrant> Ryccardo: not intentionally
[0:49] <[Saint]> Because there's really not any need to mess around with the clocks at all on the pi 2.
[0:49] <teknic111> it worked!!!
[0:49] <teknic111> thanks everyone
[0:50] <[Saint]> One the prior ARMv6 single core models, yeah, sure, you actually _had_ to overclock for some applications to run acceptable.
[0:50] <[Saint]> On the Pi 2...nah.
[0:50] <teknic111> and thanks for telling me about dhcp reservations
[0:50] <Ryccardo> aberrant: `systemctl disable lightdm.service` (last part may not be exact)
[0:50] <[Saint]> teknic111: not a problem bud.
[0:50] <teknic111> life saver
[0:50] <aberrant> Ryccardo: awesome. let me finish this upgrade and I’ll try it.
[0:50] <[Saint]> teknic111: and, now, you're protected against sudden power loss and will still keep your reservations.
[0:50] <[Saint]> So, its a bonus win. :)
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[0:51] <[Saint]> I understand not wanting to take the rtouter down initially, but honestly, its usually the simplest and most direct answer for sudden networking weirdness.
[0:52] <thescatman> [Saint], heh, for emulation overclocking makes a huge difference for n64/ps1
[0:53] <Ryccardo> aberrant: or just uninstall lightdm, eh? :)
[0:53] <[Saint]> Even on the Pi 2?
[0:53] <Froolag> I was looking at the clock, not sure if 2 eggdrop bots constitutes load, but it's twice as many as the piB+.
[0:53] <[Saint]> thescatman: for the ARMv6 variants, yeah, I can totally believe it.
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[0:53] <aberrant> Ryccardo: I guess. :)
[0:53] <thescatman> [Saint], oops was referring to the pi 2
[0:53] <[Saint]> eeeeeeeeeeeeew, eggdrop. :-/
[0:54] <thescatman> It brought up emulation speed from 70% in a lot of n64 games to 100%, and ~90% to 100% in ps1
[0:54] <[Saint]> convoluted, bloated, piece of...mutter mutter grumble murmur...
[0:54] <ShorTie> aberrant, go with the new lightdm.conf
[0:54] <Froolag> it seems like it wants to ignore the mouse. or at least the mouse is verry laggy.
[0:54] <aberrant> ShorTie: need to find it.
[0:55] <aberrant> ShorTie: let me finish this upgrade and I’ll start bitching in channel with specifics :)
[0:55] <ShorTie> it is the dist-upgrade about at the end
[0:55] <ShorTie> you are doing a dist-upgrade too, right ??
[0:55] <aberrant> ShorTie: ok. Last time round I selected “Y” for all new files
[0:55] <aberrant> yes, doing full dist-upgrade
[0:56] <ShorTie> like i said, defualts except for lightdm.conf
[0:56] <aberrant> and swap
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[0:56] <aberrant> oh, defaults
[0:56] <aberrant> hm
[0:56] <ShorTie> all new messes things up
[0:56] <aberrant> I did “Y” for a couple others, but they were insignificant
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[0:57] <[Saint]> Froolag: is there any particular reason you're using Eggdrop?
[0:57] <[Saint]> (its kinda shitty, and hugely bloated)
[0:57] <Froolag> I know eggdrop. It'd good.
[0:58] * ozzzy wrote an IRC channel maintenance bot in PERL once
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[0:58] <ozzzy> worked fine
[0:58] <[Saint]> There's loads of extensible python/Java/PHP/LUA/Ruby/etc IRC bots out there that are tremendously lightweight (very much unlike Eggdrop).
[0:58] <aberrant> ShorTie: lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf?
[0:58] <ShorTie> default
[0:59] <[Saint]> Eggdrop just seems to be the most well known.
[0:59] <[Saint]> Which is highly unfortunate.
[0:59] <[Saint]> (due to it being terrible)
[0:59] <ozzzy> [Saint], people don't want to write their own
[0:59] <Froolag> Yeah, but java doesn't clear variables, I don't know python. and I've been running eggdrops since about 96 or so, never had a problem
[0:59] <[Saint]> ozzzy: and, people don't have to.
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[1:00] <[Saint]> Eggdrop has that much configuration that you may as well end up writing your own, though. ;P
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[1:00] <ozzzy> exactly... so they use what is available
[1:00] <Froolag> Just means you have more control.
[1:00] <ozzzy> simpler to write your own
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[1:01] <ozzzy> then it'll do EXACTLY what you want
[1:01] <Froolag> Not if you have to learn the language first
[1:01] <ozzzy> IRC isn't a terribly hard thing to work with
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[1:01] <Froolag> If you don't like eggdrop, that's fine, I won't sell you one.
[1:01] <ozzzy> sometimes it's simpler to learn a language than to figure out a config file
[1:02] <ozzzy> you wouldn't anyway... they're downloadable free
[1:02] <[Saint]> The one saving grace of Eggdrop is that it supports pure C modules.
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[1:02] <[Saint]> If I *had* to use nothing but Tcl, I think I'd end up slitting my wrists.
[1:02] <ozzzy> hehe... tcl
[1:02] <ozzzy> that still around?
[1:02] <[Saint]> ....yeah.
[1:02] <Froolag> Yes it is
[1:02] <[Saint]> sadly.
[1:02] <ozzzy> like cobol... won't go away
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[1:03] <[Saint]> Kinda like x86
[1:04] <[Saint]> That hot mess will still be around for decades.
[1:04] <Froolag> next thing you'll be trying to tell me that internet explorer is a bad thing.
[1:04] <ozzzy> xephem is great... but the maintainers insist on Motif
[1:04] <ozzzy> IE isn't my cup of tea... but it appears to work
[1:04] <[Saint]> And our children, and our children's children, will be bitching about it and adding to the terrible mess it is for many moons to come.
[1:04] <[Saint]> Same as Java.
[1:05] <ozzzy> maybe now that C# and .NET are open-source maybe java will go away
[1:05] <aberrant> ok, it’s booting into gui
[1:05] <[Saint]> Nah.
[1:05] <[Saint]> Java isn't going anywhere any time soon.
[1:05] <aberrant> Ryccardo: what was that command again?
[1:05] <[Saint]> Where (IMO) soon == many decades
[1:05] <thescatman> Wow.
[1:05] <ozzzy> hehe
[1:05] <Ryccardo> `systemctl disable lightdm.service`
[1:05] <thescatman> This pc survives a shit ton
[1:05] <thescatman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19lbMySUzNY
[1:06] <thescatman> after being on fire for, like, a solid 30 seconds it's still alive
[1:06] <thescatman> thermal sutdown and boots back up
[1:06] <aberrant> Ryccardo: didn’t work
[1:06] <Ryccardo> aberrant: reports error or... ?
[1:06] <aberrant> just reboots into gui
[1:07] <Ryccardo> aberrant: what init are you using? (ls -l /sbin/init)
[1:08] <thescatman> ...oops wrong irc
[1:08] <thescatman> sorreh
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[1:09] <ozzzy> these aren't the channels you were looking for
[1:09] <ozzzy> you can go about your business
[1:09] <Froolag> lol
[1:10] <thescatman> hehe
[1:10] <thescatman> I'm procrastinating. 2 exams tomorrow and a deadline
[1:10] <aberrant> Ryccardo: systemd
[1:12] <Ryccardo> aberrant: and instead, what if you `systemctl enable lightdm.service`? (only enable warns if the filename is wrong)
[1:13] <aberrant> Lots of messages, can’t paste
[1:13] <aberrant> one sec
[1:14] <aberrant> http://dpaste.com/0J4GHF2
[1:15] <Ryccardo> hmmmm, never saw that
[1:16] <Ryccardo> better to just purge lightdm (initscripts are considered configuration, at least in some packages) and maybe reinstall it if you care
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[1:21] <ShorTie> i've tried about every combination of answers thru about 2 dozen times doing that upgrade
[1:21] <aberrant> just purged - all good
[1:22] <ShorTie> even made copies of the configs before and after, running diff's on them
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[1:31] <aberrant> erm
[1:31] <aberrant> I plugged in a usb device and this 4-color square popped up in the corner of the screen and slowly faded away - is that ok?
[1:32] <ShorTie> the inrush of current was picked up causing that i believe, trip the current sensor
[1:33] <aberrant> ah.
[1:33] <aberrant> so no problems
[1:34] <ShorTie> wouldn't worry about it to much on plugging it in
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[1:34] <ShorTie> if it happens as your using it, that is a different story
[1:40] <aberrant> got it. thank you.
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[2:09] <aberrant> anyone use networkmanager?
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[2:11] <ShorTie> sorry, i'm more of a wicd-curses guy, seems simplier/easier to me
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[2:24] <Ryccardo> it is, especially now that there's systemd
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[2:26] <McBride36> wifi on the pi is the biggest pain ever for me
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[2:29] <ShorTie> wicd-curses makes it simple, imho
[2:31] <McBride36> i tried it once, i don't think i set it up right
[2:32] <McBride36> i'll probably have to use that sometime soon though at work
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[2:35] <aberrant> ah, this is not for wifi, it’s for 3g
[2:35] <aberrant> I got it working but I don’t have an antenna so won’t connect :(
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[2:40] <ShorTie> paper clip ??
[2:40] <aberrant> hah.
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[2:47] <[Saint]> networkmanager and nm-cli FTW.
[2:49] <[Saint]> Depends how robust you want your connection(s) to be, and how trivial you want the setup to be.
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[2:51] <[Saint]> Networkmanager "Just Works" for hot-swapping between eth/WiFi and for assigning preferential ordering of eth/WiFi (with multiple APs), with very minimal setup.
[2:52] <[Saint]> After its running as a service, you can just forget about it and plug/unplug/hotplug WiFi and eth as you please and have it Just Work(TM) as you'd expect it to.
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[4:15] <Froolap> except for one thing.....
[4:15] <Froolap> They renamed wlan0 and wlan1 to something completly uncomprehensible
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[4:30] <meLon> Does anybody know why http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ doesn't have Archlinux any longer and how long it's been missing?
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[4:49] <[Saint]> meLon: because they no longer provide a single image file
[4:50] <[Saint]> The installation procedure has changed for AlARM slightly
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[4:52] <[Saint]> meLon: see: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi or http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2
[4:52] <ZER0C001> Pi Modem Pool https://www.flickr.com/photos/67970316@N08/16839397301/
[4:52] <meLon> Thank you [Saint]
[4:52] <[Saint]> The installation procedure is trivial but it requires a unixlike system to install it.
[4:52] <[Saint]> If you have Windows, you're kinda screwed.
[4:53] <[Saint]> due to the requirement of bsdtar
[4:53] <meLon> No, I'm on Linux. I just went to the Downloads page to grab the latest ISO (like I always do) and arch was missing ;_;
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[4:54] <[Saint]> OK, just remember that you'll need to install bsdtar, trying to substitute bsdtar with tar or $other_generic_archive_deflator won't work properly.
[4:54] * meLon takes note to read up on bsdtar vs tar
[4:55] <[Saint]> It'll "work", but internal permissions'll get screwed up - for...reasons...I really dunno why honestly, its an odd and somewhat annoying requirement.
[4:55] <meLon> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101561/what-are-the-differences-between-bsdtar-and-gnu-tar
[4:55] <meLon> Yeah it is
[4:55] <[Saint]> I have like five different tar deflators on my system, its annoying.
[4:58] <meLon> `export TAR_OPTIONS="--use-compress-program=pbzip2"` :D
[4:59] <[Saint]> hm?
[4:59] <[Saint]> Ahhh
[4:59] <meLon> :D
[4:59] <meLon> I think some people use pigz instead
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[5:00] <[Saint]> On an entirely unrelated note, I used to have a service running that gave me a congratulations whenever I managed to form a valid tar inflate/deflate syntax
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[5:02] <[Saint]> IIRC, it automagically quoted the portion of "man tar" that it thought I was trying to use, by way of providing the man output for the last flag that failed to parse.
[5:03] <meLon> >_<
[5:03] <[Saint]> I seem to recall that it was also a snarky dick about it.
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[5:03] <[Saint]> I've written some fairly amusing/self-critical "helper" scripts/services in my time.
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[5:37] <nirokato> If I take my microsd card out of my original RaspberryPi Model B (256MB) and stick it into my Raspberry Pi 2 Model B and compile node.js with `make -j3` will node.js run correctly on my OG RPi?
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[5:38] <clever> nirokato: rasbian doesnt have an armv7 compiler in it, so all apps you compile will run in armv6 mode
[5:38] <clever> so re-compiling wont gain anything
[5:38] <clever> but you will get all 4 cores
[5:39] <nirokato> That's exactly what I wanted to hear! Perfect.
[5:39] <clever> just make sure you update the kernel before moving the card
[5:39] <clever> apt-get upgrade should do that
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[5:40] <nirokato> Before moving to the pi2 or back to the 256MB pi?
[5:40] <clever> yeah before moving it
[5:41] <clever> if you skip that step, it wont boot in the pi2
[5:41] <leio> pi2 boots kernel7.img, so the kernel can at least be armv7 or smth
[5:41] <clever> yep
[5:41] <clever> armv7 kernel with an armv6 userland
[5:41] <nirokato> ah,I must have already done it because it booted already :)
[5:42] <leio> probably, if you have /boot/kernel7.img present
[5:42] <leio> but maybe not at the latest and greatest ;)
[5:42] <clever> yep, given how long its been out, you must have updated already
[5:42] <nirokato> I do try to keep it up to date. :)
[5:42] <clever> its still setup to be backwards compatible, so your card keeps working on the older pi1's
[5:43] <clever> so the whole userland has to be stuck in armv6 mode
[5:43] <nirokato> Now I don't have to worry about the node.js compile hogging all the memory on my 256mb version for the compile and moving everything to swap :) 3x the compile power now!
[5:44] <nirokato> Thank you clever and leio. I'll look into the architecture in the future. Thank you for the quick and dirty answer to get me going :)
[5:44] <clever> you can even 4x the compile
[5:44] <clever> its quad core!
[5:45] <nirokato> Yeah, tried -j4 and it got a little to close to swapping, so I stuck with j3
[5:45] <clever> ah, not enough ram to handle it
[5:46] <nirokato> Yup, I should probably have tweaked the mem/gpu split, but I'm not in a huge hurry
[5:46] <nirokato> I waited a good 4 days for the first attempt on the 256mb pi :)
[5:47] <meLon> l2crosscompile :P
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[5:47] <nirokato> meLon: I hear that can get messy ;)
[5:48] <clever> it depends on the project and if it already supports cross-compiling
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[5:52] <nirokato> no flipping way
[5:52] <nirokato> ....it's already done.
[5:52] <clever> lol
[5:53] * nirokato 's mind is blown.
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[5:54] <nirokato> Well, screw compiling on the 256mb RPi B :) It's bigger brother can do the grunt work from now on.
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[5:55] <clever> and because both still use armv6, you can always swap the card back to run your projects long-term
[5:55] <nirokato> Exactly what I was thinking.
[5:55] <nirokato> My Pi2 just became the compile monkey for the OG RPi.
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[5:56] <nirokato> I am STOKED! This will save a boatload of time and I don't *need* to get my hands dirty with cross compiling. (It's on my list of things to learn, it's number 3,483,127.)
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[5:59] <nirokato> I really should learn how to cross compile though. I'm sure it will be handy to know when playing with other embedded systems.
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[6:00] <nirokato> meLon: know of any good resources for cross compiling on the RPi? I've seen some node.js specific ones out there, but I was hoping to find something more general.
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[6:03] <nirokato> Wow, that was a bit scary for a second. Went to wget https://ghost.org/zip/ghost-latest.zip and got a 302 Moved. Last time I've seen that was in a tcpdump of a spear phising attack. Had me worried for a second!
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[6:05] <zaion> you guys already heard about raspberry py gps
[6:05] * nirokato is using gpsd for one of his projects.
[6:06] <zaion> yep i will need some help with gpsd :)
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[6:19] <heller\> morning
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[6:27] <nirokato> Alright folks, I'm off to bed. Have a good night!
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[6:30] <Mutantx> Does anyone know if NOOBS can handle regular .img files? Was going to use berryboot but apparently it requires SquashFS imgs
[6:30] <Mutantx> ^Looking for a multiboot option
[6:31] <[Saint]> Nah - NOOBS is...weird.
[6:32] <[Saint]> The best "multiboot" option is "buy more sdcards"
[6:32] <[Saint]> They needn't be fast. Class 4 is ample.
[6:33] <[Saint]> A 16GB Class 4 sdcard from a reputable dealer/manufacturer is like $15~$20
[6:35] <Mutantx> sigh..
[6:36] <Mutantx> Just got a 32gb Class 10 for 12.99..Sandisk. Price match from Amazon on Best Buy. Had this setup on rp model b but Noobs doesn't have OSMC as an option
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[9:09] <Anonissimus> asking during a different timezone, any suggestions on touchscreen+fitting case for a rpi2?
[9:12] <torbjorn> i think i saw an example on adafruit once
[9:13] <torbjorn> what do you want to use it for?
[9:14] <Anonissimus> I want to make a device that is controlled by the touch screen on top
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[9:15] <Groggy> Anonissimus: maybe http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tontec%C2%AE-Raspberry-Touchscreen-Transparent-Heatsinks/dp/B00OFLKPG4/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1426580047&sr=1-1-fkmr3&keywords=tontec+raspberry+pi+2B+touch
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[9:15] <Anonissimus> exactly like that, too bad they don't deliver to belgium
[9:15] <Groggy> I have not used it or so, but it was mention yesterday evening
[9:16] <Groggy> might give you a clue on what to search on atleast
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[9:16] <Anonissimus> yeah the once I found were not rpi2 compatible so far
[9:17] <PaowZ_> damn.. I'm realizing there's not RTC on this board..
[9:18] <Anonissimus> PaowZ_: luckily there is https://learn.adafruit.com/adding-a-real-time-clock-to-raspberry-pi/overview
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[9:34] <Anonissimus> ok, tangent here, is there any sort of dev board that supports gigabit ethernet?
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[9:50] <edjuh> Anonissimus: tontec boards are available via dx.com to Belgium
[9:50] <edjuh> goedenmorgen overigens
[9:52] <Anonissimus> goedemorgen, bedankt
[9:53] <Anonissimus> unfortunately I'll have to look elsewhere as I need a GB nic on the board
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[9:53] <edjuh> ah, that is not an easy task
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[9:54] <edjuh> usb-gigabit is not a good solution ?
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[9:54] <Anonissimus> I'd rather have nothing protrude from the case
[9:54] <Anonissimus> or a dongle
[9:55] <edjuh> makes sense
[9:55] <Anonissimus> http://www.wandboard.org/index.php/details looks good
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[9:57] <edjuh> indeed, what is your intended use ?
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[9:57] <edjuh> a touch control on the wall
[9:57] <edjuh> I guess
[9:57] <Anonissimus> no, a network traffic analyser in small format with touch control
[9:58] <edjuh> ah, work related, and you aim for optimum control :D
[9:58] <Anonissimus> but for that to work it has to ba capable to be portspanned on a GB interface
[9:58] <Anonissimus> not as much work related, just a side project
[9:58] <edjuh> ba meaning ?
[9:59] <Anonissimus> "be capable" fat fingered
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[9:59] <edjuh> ah you are no rookie in networking, I am though
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[10:00] <Anonissimus> nah, I do make a living in networking
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[10:00] <ShorTie> not pi related either
[10:00] <Anonissimus> well if it woul work on pi that'd be great
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[10:00] <Anonissimus> but I only just noticed the 100MB interface limit
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[10:16] <Anonissimus> http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoard-X15
[10:16] <Anonissimus> this one will do it (in the near future)
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[10:18] <Haxxa> Is there a distro that can run emulators and kodi together seamlessly i.e. in kodi open emulator no lxde or console in between
[10:19] <Peio> recalbox
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[10:23] <antoon> recalbox looks awesome though
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[10:24] <Haxxa> ah I have rpi v1
[10:24] <Haxxa> also doen't seem to have xbmc
[10:24] <Haxxa> *kodi
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[10:27] <Haxxa> or is it based of kodi and emulation station
[10:27] <Peio> yes it does
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[10:28] <Peio> you can start kodi from emulationstation
[10:28] <Peio> and when you exit kodi you go back to ES
[10:28] <Peio> works on pi 1 but I haven't tried it
[10:28] <Haxxa> sweet just what I wanted
[10:29] <Haxxa> Plus built with pvr support will be great for jeep wrangler in car media centre / gaming device
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[10:29] <Peio> not sure about that i've never tried that
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[10:29] <Peio> the author is in #recalbox btw :)
[10:29] <Peio> but most people there speak in french :p
[10:31] <Haxxa> I prefer english - primarily because I can't speak french
[10:31] <Haxxa> or read it etc.
[10:32] <Peio> sure, just warning you :)
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[10:40] <antoon> french, not even once
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[10:44] <Anonissimus> hon hon hon
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[11:05] <Kryczek> Hi! Has anyone here purchased a GPS expansion board from HAB Supplies? http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=117 for example
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[12:33] <chris_99> Anyone seen a c-mount version of the Pi camera per chance?
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[12:39] <SpeedEvil> The pi camera has a very, very small sensor, and the lens is not detachable
[12:40] <chris_99> yeah people have hacked them by removing the lens
[12:41] <ShorTie> Mr.Google says, and behind door #1 we have http://www.uctronics.com/raspberry-pi-camera-board-cs-mount-lens-fully-compatible-with-official-module-p-1731.html
[12:41] <chris_99> which isn't c mount
[12:42] <chris_99> the best i've found so far is http://www.truetex.com/raspberrypi but they're $155
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[12:48] <Tachyon`> is there any way to remap a key on a wireless keyboard? this one has no alt, just altgr which is preventing me switching vt, any way to say remap the windows key as alt?
[12:48] <qubitnerd> Tachyon`: xmodmap
[12:48] <Tachyon`> at the console..
[12:48] * Tachyon` doesn't use X
[12:48] <qubitnerd> ah
[12:49] <Tachyon`> I assume it is doable given that's what the national keymaps essentially od
[12:49] <Tachyon`> just notsure how
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[12:50] <qubitnerd> google search gives something about loadkeys
[12:50] <qubitnerd> not used it though,
[12:50] <qubitnerd> im almost always using X
[12:50] <qubitnerd> The program loadkeys reads the file or files specified by filename....
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[12:51] <qubitnerd> Its main purpose is to load the kernel keymap for the console. You can
[12:51] <qubitnerd> specify console device by the -C (or --console ) option.
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[13:11] <waveform> anybody here know much about the videocore dt blob? Specifically I'm wondering if one can re-write the camera pins with an overlay (ala the kernel dt blob) or whether the whole thing just has to be re-written
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[13:18] <ShorTie> camera pins ??
[13:18] <ShorTie> what cha trying to do if i can ask ??
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[13:23] <waveform> ShorTie, I'm adding support for the camera flash driver to picamera
[13:23] <waveform> the flash driver relies on the video dts blob to tell it which GPIO pins the flash (and optional privacy indicator) are attached to
[13:23] <waveform> sorry, videocore dt blob
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[13:24] <waveform> unfortunately, that's not the kernel dt blob (which is included by default on raspbian builds, and which has a neat overlay system). I was vaguely hoping I could write a simple overlay to distribute with the picamera docs to let people play with it, but it seems like that doesn't work
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[13:25] <waveform> instead, it looks like I'll need to write a chapter for the docs on grabbing the videocore dt blob sources, patching them (erk), building them and installing them ... and that's assuming I can get it to work first, which so far I haven't!
[13:27] <waveform> I'm sorely tempted to stick this in the "too complex for the docs" bucket, but that's a bit extreme for something as basic as a flash driver
[13:27] <ShorTie> the flash hooks up thru the camera cable ??
[13:27] <waveform> nope - the videocore blob basically tells the camera firmware "your flash is attached to, for example, GPIO 17" and the camera firmware then knows it needs to raise GPIO 17 when it wants to fire the flash
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[13:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. Is there any other player besides omxplayer and vlc that works on RPi? Preferably something already supported in Debian.
[13:29] <waveform> (I should stress for anyone getting excited about this, this is *not* for xenon flashes - the camera uses a rolling shutter so this is for LED flashes, like you'd find on a mobile phone)
[13:29] <waveform> Eduard_Munteanu, xbmc?
[13:29] <waveform> (or whatever it's called these days .. kodi?)
[13:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> waveform, hm, any idea if I can simply get the player for it? I don't need the entire solution.
[13:30] <ShorTie> interesting, might hang around till shiftplusone shows up and see if he might have any insight in the subject
[13:30] <waveform> ShorTie, yeah that's probably a good idea
[13:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Nevermind, I'll try it myself, thanks.
[13:30] <waveform> Eduard_Munteanu, IIRC xbmc uses pretty much the same as omxplayer under the covers
[13:30] <waveform> (i.e. they both use openmax/mmal to fire up the GPU's decoder)
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[13:38] <ShorTie> if there is any peeps out there that would like to beta test a minimun/your way os maker for the pi https://www.dropbox.com/s/zp60vi3na7xn3lk/my_pi_os.sh
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[13:41] <ShorTie> you can choose image or sdcard, wheezy/jessie, foundation bootloader/kernel or the no-kernel bootloader/kernels, root file system and for rpi2's you can use ftp.debian for your files
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[14:03] <HtheB> today, i've received my 2.8" tft screen with touchscreen, how can I get it to work with any image that doesnt support it out of the box?
[14:03] <HtheB> Screen connects to the GPIO port. I've got the RPi 1B (rev 1)
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[14:14] <HtheB> shiftplusone: ping
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[14:21] <Anonissimus> HtheB: http://cooljc.me.uk/?page_id=14
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[14:21] <Anonissimus> that should give you an idea
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[14:22] <HtheB> Anonissimus: thanks, will look into it now :)
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[14:24] <solarbaby> Howdy PI peoples. I'm happy to anounce I am a new PI owner and proud.
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[14:26] <ragadabing> What are you going to do with it?
[14:27] <chris_99> rule the WORLD
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[14:27] <solarbaby> are you familiar with nslu and pogoplug? I've owned both and made servers out of them. Just personal stuff really. this time around I'm going to do the same thing and also get some use of kodi (xbmc) .. those are the first things I have already done in the last few days. Next I may want to play around with some of the nifty robot stuff people are doing right now
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[14:30] <solarbaby> also pbx software seems like a great idea too
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[15:23] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, ping?
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[15:30] <shiftplusone> waveform, did your dt-blob question get answered?
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[15:36] <waveform> shiftplusone, yeah - finally figured it out. I had mis-read the filename (dt-blob.bin vs dt-blob.dts) and had missed the bit about sticking it on the first partition, regardless of what that was (recovery on NOOBS, /boot on non-NOOBS)
[15:36] <waveform> I've got the flash chapter written now, but it's definitely going under "advanced recipes" - there's no way this stuff belongs in basic :)
[15:37] <shiftplusone> okay, cool.
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[15:46] <ahop> Is it possible to add 1 more GB of RAM to RPi2,
[15:46] <ahop> ie 2GB RAM?
[15:46] <shiftplusone> no
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[15:48] <heller\> hello
[15:48] <heller\> so i heard ds18b20 sensors are good
[15:48] <heller\> but why are they changing their address?
[15:48] <heller\> how can i keep track of what is what :P
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[15:49] <chris_99> they shouldn't change address
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[15:49] <chris_99> it's burned into their EEPROM afaik
[15:49] <Froolap> sure, you can add as much ram as you like to the pi. just tape it in the bottom of the case and don't expect it to boost performance. :)
[15:49] <chris_99> haha
[15:49] <heller\> well im reading it and it keeps changing
[15:49] <heller\> de 04 4b 46 7f ff 02 10 d6 : crc=d6 YES
[15:49] <heller\> de 04 4b 46 7f ff 02 10 d6 t=77875
[15:50] <heller\> for example
[15:50] <chris_99> which bit changes
[15:50] <heller\> it was ff 08 10 eariler
[15:50] <heller\> two after ff
[15:50] <chris_99> you realise t=77875
[15:50] <chris_99> is the temp
[15:50] <heller\> sure
[15:50] <heller\> and we dont care about the crc either
[15:50] <chris_99> the address is the name of the folder in proc
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[15:50] <heller\> but it keeps changing
[15:51] <heller\> oh right hmm
[15:51] <heller\> right
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[15:51] <chris_99> check this
[15:51] <chris_99> https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/projects/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/#step-three-b
[15:52] <Froolap> does the rpi2 run at slower clock speed when idle?
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[15:59] <ahop> shiftplusone about 2GB RPi2 , it's no no, or a maybe
[15:59] <muriani> welp, buying another pi2
[15:59] <muriani> and a B+ for lower stuff
[16:00] <waveform> Froolap, the Pi2 ramps its speed accordingly to demand (so does the Pi1 when it's overclocked). You can see this fairly easily in things like byobu which show a clock-speed indicator
[16:02] <Froolap> yeah yeah but that makes me sad. I want it to run at 900 mhz when idle so that my computer can idle faster than anyone elses. and I feel jipped when my 900 mhz cpu is lazy and never runs at 900mhz.
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[16:04] <muriani> there's an option in config.txt to force it to run maxed all the time iirc
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[16:04] <muriani> should be in that link I pasted to you yesterday from the raspberrypi.org documentation
[16:04] <muriani> really makes no sense to run it fullspeed at idle though
[16:05] <Froolap> cut and paste of the temp project didn't work for me
[16:05] <waveform> that's rather akin to holding down the car's accelerator in neutral just so you can "get the most out of the engine" ;)
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[16:07] <Froolap> the intent of the above message was laughter.... but if theres something I can run for 5 minutesthat will put the pi under load so I can see if it really is a 900 mhz cpu... cool
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[16:08] <shiftplusone> ahop, it's a no no no NO!
[16:08] <waveform> Froolap, yeah, I figured :) Actually it takes very little to get it to ramp up the speed. I run in byobu most of the time when I'm developing and simply scrolling away in vim is generally enough to get it going
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[16:08] <Froolap> I never heard of byobu, no man page
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[16:09] <ali1234> byobu is just a wrapper around screen
[16:09] <waveform> ali1234, well, tmux these days, but yes
[16:09] <ali1234> it's just a config file for it, basically
[16:09] <ali1234> oh yes, they switched to tmux for no reason
[16:10] <waveform> oh I don't know - apparently tmux is considerably more cleanly written under the covers and handles certain edge cases rather better (can't recall what they are off the top of my head, or if I've ever run into them but I vaguely recall reading some article on the subject by the author)
[16:11] <waveform> I think you can still force byobu to use screen as the backend but it certainly defaults to tmux these days (though being an inflexible old sod I tend to stick with screen's Ctrl+A setup instead of tmux's Ctrl+B)
[16:11] <ali1234> tmux has considerably fewer features than screen, but hey you can split the terminal in to sub-sections which is completely pointless but it looks cool
[16:11] <ahop> what's the name of the plastic
[16:11] <ahop> that I can insert in RPi holes
[16:12] <ahop> that I can glue in an enclosure
[16:12] <ali1234> acrylic?
[16:12] <ahop> I don't know the english name for that
[16:12] <ahop> some sort of white plastic piece that goes into hole, and can be glued in a case
[16:12] <ali1234> the screws are usually nylon?
[16:13] <ahop> but would you attach the Rpi in a case
[16:13] <ahop> a case without any hole for attaching something
[16:15] <ahop> any idea ali1234
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[16:23] <Froolap> plexiglass?
[16:24] <Froolap> The case for my bananapi was made wildly out of specifications and wouldn't close without bending the banana board.....
[16:25] <Froolap> I ended up gluing it closed with gorellia glue so that it wouldn't fall apart, but coule be taken apart if really needed.
[16:25] <willmore> Oww, my pi2 just got delivered. Just what I wanted for my birthday.
[16:25] <Froolap> One thing that I liked about the banana is that it had power on and reset switches. Those of course were not accessable throught the B-pi case....
[16:26] <Froolap> So I took some 1/8 by 1/8 basswood stock and cut spacers that fit the b-pi case for the reset and power buttons....
[16:27] <Froolap> A little clear tape over the top to keep the basswood from falling out and it was just enough to be able to press the buttons if needed.
[16:28] <Froolap> happy birthday
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[16:31] <holgersson> Hello everyone! Which filesystem do you use at your RPi? I run a B+ with ext4 and it's quite slow
[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> Probably the card, not the FS that's slow
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> Although there is a fs developed for flash cards, can't remember the name offnd
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> *offhand
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> ff2ff or something
[16:33] <muriani> f2fs?
[16:34] <muriani> pretty much the max you get on a card is ~24MB/s read
[16:34] <muriani> check the class your card is
[16:34] <Froolap> ext2 and ext4 works for me. works for me
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> From what I remember f2fs does a lot of caching so it should be faster
[16:34] <muriani> if it's < class10 then your card pretty much suuucks
[16:34] <Froolap> I don't like ext3 because it's odd
[16:35] <muriani> no real reason to use ext3
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> Compatiblity with older systems, although iirc ext4 will work on ext3 systems
[16:35] <muriani> ext2 as well, I think
[16:35] <Froolap> 2,4 even, 3 = odd. I don't like it. giggle
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[16:37] <endiruna> hi do you think it is enought to hook a pi b to a 5v/1A power supply or do i need 2A?
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[16:37] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on what you have hanging off the USB, but as long as it's a decent brand it should be fine
[16:38] <endiruna> only a wifi dongle and video output
[16:38] <holgersson> OK, thanks all.
[16:38] <willmore> Froolap, thanks. I like your wood case idea.
[16:39] <endiruna> Sonny_Jim: eventually an audio usb card
[16:40] <ahop> Have you seen this http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mSGyAalJ2jKExq2rAUSwXvg.jpg for sticking RPi to a case?
[16:40] <ahop> Where can I get these?
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> endiruna: You might want to consider a beefier PSU, but for now it should be ok, depending on the dongle
[16:42] <ShorTie> endiruna, they recomend a 2.5amp http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#powerReqs
[16:43] <muriani> I need a barrel plug to microUSB adapter
[16:44] <Froolap> I build radio controlled airplanes so I have lots of wood around for projects
[16:44] <muriani> I've got several 5v 2.5A wallwarts
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[16:44] <muriani> used them for beagleboard, pandaboard, etc
[16:44] <muriani> but can't for the pi :/
[16:44] <Froolap> Yeah, me too. I just got a wall wart in with the wrong connector.
[16:45] <ShorTie> you can get micro-usb end off of ebay like 10 for a buck
[16:45] <muriani> yeah I just want adapters though
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[16:45] <Froolap> I don't have a clue how I would wire the,
[16:45] <muriani> I don't want to sacrifice a wart for it
[16:46] <muriani> granted I could order those ends, and then wire up a barrel jack, make my own adapter
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[16:47] <ShorTie> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-5-5mm-x-2-1mm-Barrel-Jack-to-Micro-USB-B-5p-Male-Power-Connector-Short-Cable-/301391658682?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item462c57beba
[16:47] <muriani> Oh bloody hell
[16:47] <muriani> that's probably it
[16:48] <muriani> as long as the polarity's right
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[16:50] <muriani> ShorTie: buying 3, thanks!
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[16:53] <Hix> I've added a hitcounter to nestcam in the php script it calls for the relative URL of the hits.txt file https://github.com/ajay-gandhi/simphp/blob/master/simphp.php#L26
[16:53] <Hix> i've specified this as /var/www/hits.txt and added chmod +rw but I don't appear to get updated hits
[16:54] <Hix> and I'm not even in #php :/
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[17:18] <Froolap> willmore: http://imgur.com/MxSbYyX There's a picture of the mods that I did.
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[17:25] <Peetz0r> Hey! I have a pi with camera module, and a cronjob which takes a picture every 15 minutes with -ex night as option
[17:26] <Peetz0r> the problem is, that during the night when there is almost no light, the shutter speed will go to super-fast values of less than 1ms
[17:26] <Peetz0r> while just before the night, the shutterspeed *does* increase as light decreases
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[17:27] <Peetz0r> so it goes like 30ms, 40ms, 70ms, 120ms, 200ms, 600ms, 999ms, 420ms, 0ms, 0ms, etc
[17:28] <Peetz0r> one example: http://meuk.haas-en-berg.nl/moestuintjes/2015-03-13_18-30.jpg
[17:28] <Peetz0r> more examples: http://meuk.haas-en-berg.nl/moestuintjes/
[17:28] <Peio> you could run a different command at night (never tried anything camera related so just an idea)
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[17:30] <Peetz0r> yeah, but then I'd have to detect if it's day or night (find a sunrise/sunset API somewhere)
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[17:30] <Peetz0r> also, what should I run at night? I already specify '-ex night' 24/7 (which doesn't really affect day shots)
[17:31] <ali1234> sounds like a firmware bug to me
[17:31] <Froolap> Not really. You should be able to get something the's close eough that the camera can ajust for... set in cron.
[17:32] <Froolap> If the camera is making some adjustments, then maybe all it needs is a hint.
[17:32] <Peetz0r> how do I give it a hint, other than '-ex night'?
[17:33] <Peetz0r> by the way, this is my HW setup: http://i.imgur.com/C1ZDYtZ.jpg
[17:33] <Froolap> I don't have a pi camera or the documentation for it... But sometimes my security cameras fail to switch to day mode after the night is over....
[17:34] <Froolap> gotta sent the camera a turn off ir command and then it wakes up....
[17:34] <ali1234> Peetz0r: there is a command line switch which claims to allow you to set the shutter speed, however it does not seem to make any difference at all for me
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[17:34] <ali1234> all of the camera parameters are passed in to the firmware, which mostly ignores them and does whatever it wants
[17:35] <Peetz0r> that's not very helpful :p
[17:35] <ali1234> yeah tell me about it
[17:35] <Froolap> So it might be something as simple as sending a command to turn on IR roughly when it's getting dark, and turn off ir command roughly when it's daylight, and =/- an hour won't make a huge difference.
[17:35] <Anorion> I think I'm going to buy the camera and one of those USB turrets
[17:35] <Peetz0r> Froolap: the raspberry pi camera does not have any of that. it's just a bare camera. your security camera is actually 2 camera's (one IR sensitive), and a bunch of IR leds
[17:36] <Anorion> rig it up to shoot my cat any time he gets on the counter
[17:36] <Peetz0r> there is an Ir version, which is just the normal version without the IR filter
[17:36] <Anorion> the "noir camera"
[17:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> Peetz0r look at sunwait
[17:36] <Anorion> you'd think it'd shoot in high-contrast black and white, or sepia
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[17:36] <Froolap> Maybe mine is different, but I thought it might give someone else the AH HA moment and bring about a workable solution.
[17:36] <Peetz0r> to re-create your security camera's day-night-feature you would need both camera's and a few IR leds.
[17:37] <Anorion> but it's really no-ir
[17:37] <Peetz0r> sunwait sounds nice
[17:37] <ali1234> what are those weird lines on your photo?
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[17:37] <ali1234> burnt ccd?
[17:38] <Peetz0r> but it actually shoudl check if the sun is set *and* the light in my room is off :p
[17:38] <Peetz0r> yes, I once pointed a laser at my phone
[17:38] <Peetz0r> the camera is still 99% functional :p
[17:38] <ali1234> oops
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[17:38] <Hix> is it not the case that you can override shutter but not sensor gain?
[17:39] <Peetz0r> I could al least try shooting a few shots with hardcoded long shutter speeda and check resulting exif data
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[17:48] <Jaeger2k> is someone familar with spi? is it ... sane ... to add an pullup resistor to the nCS-pin? in my configuration this pin might float sometimes
[17:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> raspistill -ss 6000000 -awbg 1,1 -ISO 600 -t 60000 -o/tmp/img.jpg
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[18:13] <waveform> Hix, you can set shutter speed precisely, but you can only fix sensor gain at its current level or let it float according to the AGC algorithm
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[18:15] * Tachyon` looks at qubitnerd
[18:16] <qubitnerd> why
[18:16] <qubitnerd> ?
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[18:17] <qubitnerd> did i suggest something which ruined your pi ?? Tachyon` ?
[18:17] <qubitnerd> messed up your keyboard ?
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[18:47] <kisak> anyone use vice?
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[18:48] <kisak> I noticed if I kill vice from htop via ssh, it locks up the gpu and prevents shutdown or a reboot of raspbian
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[18:49] <kisak> (RPi2B)
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[19:01] <Sonny_Jim> Not surprisingly really
[19:02] <WillDatadog> I have seen notes on the internet raspberrypi doesn't support android due to the chipset.
[19:02] <WillDatadog> Is there are way to get android working?
[19:02] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[19:02] <WillDatadog> Or it lacks some kernel drives?
[19:03] <Ryccardo> it can run android, but with no hardware video acceleration (= very lame)
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[19:03] <Ryccardo> blame Broadcom closed source drivers, of course
[19:04] <WillDatadog> Oh....I see why.
[19:04] <WillDatadog> Yeah...Broadcom is not friendly at all....They asked me to sign NDA before even allowing me to see datasheets....
[19:05] <muriani> But it's cheap!
[19:05] <Ryccardo> I'd throw out the bcm4331 in my laptop if only I could replace it with something else
[19:05] <WillDatadog> Not only cheap, but some of the best in class available SoC with Wifi/BT support built in. (Oh..and usb)
[19:05] <Ryccardo> I actually ran 11m of ethernet cable through the walls due to it
[19:06] <WillDatadog> Lol...I live in an apartment complex. The 2.4G wifi is so crammed...
[19:07] <Ryccardo> and "cheap" means little here (it's an Apple)
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[19:12] <drnapster> quick question if i installed raspian with noobs can i now go back in and add another on to noobs?
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[19:33] <pizearke> hi
[19:33] <pizearke> I think I'm giving up the battle with no internet
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[19:34] <pizearke> would all I need to do be putting an ethernet cord in my laptop and one in the pi?
[19:34] <pizearke> or does it need to be from a router?
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[19:34] <drnapster> bridging from a laptop does not seem to work i tried last night
[19:35] * pizearke kills something
[19:35] <drnapster> however if the os is installed already you could make it work if you set all the networking stuff by hand
[19:35] <drnapster> that will take some command line kunfu though
[19:35] <pizearke> I'm actually just going to crawl into a hole and die
[19:36] <pizearke> and by that I mean not really
[19:36] <pizearke> but man I'm in dependency hell right now
[19:36] <Ryccardo> drnapster: yup, but the first OS will be reinstalled
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[19:38] <drnapster> lol yeah arm linux tends to be really easy to get into dependancy issues with due to there not being that much dev support
[19:38] <drnapster> it is best to use repos
[19:38] <Ryccardo> bridging wifi to ethernet connected with crossover cable in Mac OS 10.6.8 worked fine when I first got the Pi about a year ago
[19:39] <drnapster> the problem is dhcp.
[19:39] <turtlehat> yea i do it a lot, on the macbook the cable doesnt even have to be crossed
[19:39] <turtlehat> drnapster, "share internet" from wifi to ethernet
[19:39] <turtlehat> turns on a dhcp server on the ethernet port
[19:39] <pizearke> I'm just going to download all the dependencies
[19:40] <drnapster> i did in windows but there was no asgining of ips
[19:40] <pizearke> I don't even care
[19:40] * pizearke dies inside
[19:40] <pizearke> yep. completely don't have any regard for this situation
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[19:56] <kevin> has anyone ever created a physical power switch for their rpi (similar to http://www.raspberry-pi-geek.com/Archive/2013/01/Adding-an-On-Off-switch-to-your-Raspberry-Pi/(offset)/2 with a button triggering a system shutdown, and a lack of power drawn causes the rpi power to turn off) ? im thinking about doing this as an intermediate-level hardware project
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[19:58] <pizearke> I actually got my hands on an ethernet cord
[19:58] <pizearke> could anyone help me internet up my pi?
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[19:59] <kevin> pizearke, i think most distributions use dhcp by default, so it should be as simple as plugging it all in and powering it on
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[20:00] <samy^^> kevin: that would be cool but i’d suggest using the GPIO pin to obtain a reset signal in software, and in software perform `sudo halt` first
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[20:01] <atouk> make the circuit with a time so it shuts power x seconds after pin change, so the system has time to do a clean shutdown
[20:01] <Ryccardo> I just mounted a bistable switch to the reset pins (mainly aimed at avoiding furious plug/unplug while booting)
[20:01] <atouk> (timer)
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[20:02] <kevin> samy^^, yes, that switch includes that functionality. secondly, from what i read, the pi provides some power to the external components and when that power stops (ie when system halts), those external components no longer provide electricity to the pi
[20:03] <pizearke> it doesn't seem to be
[20:03] <samy^^> kevin: ahh
[20:03] <pizearke> apt-get update gives me a ton of errors
[20:03] <kevin> pizearke, can you ping ? you can manually start dhcp by, i guess it's uhhhm "dhclient eth0" probably as root
[20:04] <pizearke> Network is unreachable
[20:04] <pizearke> ooh, that worked
[20:04] <pizearke> thanks!
[20:04] <kevin> yep
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[20:05] <kevin> might wanna edit your network files to do auto dhcp then... depends on distro, but i think one location is uhhhm /etc/networking/interfaces or something -- a quick google for your distro should explain how to turn on dhcp at boot
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[20:15] <kevin> just seems like building one of those switches would be fun, but it looks so bulky with having to do it with a breadboard... might just buy a prebuilt solution
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[20:33] <ahop> Have some of you tried to power RPi with battery ?
[20:33] <ahop> I would like to try this
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[20:34] <kevin> like a rechargable battery you would use for your cellphone? or normal household batteries (AA, 9V, etc)
[20:34] <Anorion> yep
[20:34] <Anorion> I have an old Duracell USB power bank
[20:34] <Anorion> 1150mAh
[20:35] <ahop> Anorion what size is it?
[20:35] <Anorion> powers my pi for a while, as long as I don't go crazy with accessories
[20:35] <ahop> How many hours approx?
[20:35] <ahop> 10 hours?
[20:35] <Anorion> well, let's do some dimensional analysis
[20:35] <Anorion> 1150mAh = 1.15 Ah
[20:35] <Anorion> assuming a 1A draw and 85% efficiency
[20:36] <ahop> so 1 hour?
[20:36] <Anorion> about 58 minutes, yeah
[20:36] <Anorion> I haven't run it that long on it
[20:36] <ahop> what's the size of the battery?
[20:37] <Anorion> like, physical size?
[20:37] <ahop> yes
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[20:37] <ahop> An iPad battery can last at least 5 or 10 hours, and the CPU might be as powerful as a Pi, right... But the battery is small... How do they do?
[20:37] <Anorion> http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-Instant-Charger-Includes-Universal/dp/B002FU6KF2
[20:37] <Anorion> that's the one I have
[20:38] <atouk> there's also battery with solar charger kits out there for the pi
[20:38] <Anorion> only reason I have that one is that I got it for free
[20:38] <Anorion> I am not endorsing it as a "good" battery or anything
[20:39] <Ryccardo> ahop: it doesn't go through like 4 conversions, for one
[20:39] <ahop> Anorion oh that's cool
[20:39] <Anorion> it's just the one I have
[20:39] <Anorion> if I ever do a solar project, it'd make a decent moderator
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[20:40] <ahop> Ryccardo what 4 conversions?
[20:40] <kevin> this is the one i have: http://smile.amazon.com/Compact-10000mAh-Portable-External-Technology/dp/B009USAJCC?sa-no-redirect=1 i purchased it for cellphone charging but it's fine with the pi too... going with Anorion's 1A draw at 85%, it'll last around 8.5 hours
[20:41] <methuzla> i've been running an A+ based time lapse rig on 2200mAh LiPo and boost converter, last well over 8 hours
[20:41] <Ryccardo> ahop: 3,7/7,2 to 5V, 5 to 3,3, 3,3 to 1,8 and vcore...
[20:41] <Anorion> kevin, that's the one I was looking at, before I remembered I already have this one
[20:41] * kevin nods
[20:41] <Anorion> anker stuff kicks ass
[20:41] <kevin> yeah i love it for my phone, havent had the need for using it with the rpi though, since i dont have any mobile application for it
[20:42] <Anorion> my freebie will give my phone about an extra 30%
[20:42] <Anorion> which is okay
[20:42] <kevin> ah
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[20:42] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello
[20:42] * kevin waves
[20:43] <SpeakerToMeat> Is fbi still the best alternative to display a boot logo? is it screen adaptative? and, are there any third party init scripts to display from boot, but close cleanly after last init process (this machine will use omxplayer for a video loop. no X)
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[20:45] <Anorion> sorry, no idea
[20:45] <shiftplusone> not sure fbi ever was the best alternative to anything in the first place.
[20:45] <ahop> What solution would you use
[20:45] <Anorion> I'm an old Linux guy - I like my boot messages
[20:45] <ahop> if
[20:45] <ahop> 1) I need max size = 4 AA batteries
[20:45] <ahop> 2) I need at least 5 hours of autonomy
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[20:45] <ahop> is this possible
[20:46] <methuzla> yes
[20:46] <SpeakerToMeat> Anorion: Me too but this will be on an art installation, normally I woudl leave the init log to make it useful or "cool", but, no can do
[20:46] <ahop> methuzla : how?
[20:46] <SpeakerToMeat> 5 hours.
[20:47] <SpeakerToMeat> Isn't the pi source 1.5A to 2A minimal? that's up to 10w
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[20:48] <SpeakerToMeat> That's 50 Wh if I'm not mistaken
[20:48] <SpeakerToMeat> for 5 hours
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[20:48] <methuzla> ahop: read my previous comment
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[20:49] <kevin> heh
[20:49] * ozzzy powers his pi from a USB3 port
[20:50] <ahop> you mean LIPO 2200?
[20:51] <ahop> SpeakerToMeat around 350 mA : http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/1183/12350
[20:51] <thescatman> how many amps does the average usb3 port give out anyway ozzzy
[20:51] <ahop> 700 mA is the max theoritical draw
[20:51] <ozzzy> thescatman, got me beat
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[20:51] <thescatman> well that's lower than I thought
[20:52] <ahop> methuzla: do you mean a 11V LiPo? do you use a regulator then to go to 5V?
[20:52] <SpeakerToMeat> ahop: Really? I tought it was much more.
[20:52] <ali1234> don't bother with lipo in series, it's too hard to charge
[20:52] <ali1234> use them in parallel and get a boost converter
[20:52] <methuzla> ahop: this is the battey https://www.adafruit.com/products/1781
[20:52] <ahop> SpeakerToMeat: me too
[20:52] <ali1234> 2x 18650 runs a pi for 10 hours+
[20:53] <SpeakerToMeat> ali1234: With moderate ussage?
[20:53] <thescatman> 18650mAh?
[20:53] <ali1234> no they are 2000mAh
[20:53] <ali1234> 18650 is the physical size
[20:53] <thescatman> I've found a 10Ah battery runs the pi on high usage, for around 7/8 hours
[20:53] <ahop> methuzla: how many of such battery do you use for 8+ hours ?
[20:53] <thescatman> low usage easily ~16 hours
[20:53] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: How big is that one?
[20:54] <ahop> methuzla and it's 3.7 V only
[20:54] <thescatman> 10Ah
[20:54] <ali1234> SpeakerToMeat: while streaming h264 from the camera over wifi
[20:54] <ahop> how do you go to 5V?
[20:54] <thescatman> 10,000mAh SpeakerToMeat / 10Ah
[20:54] <ahop> what is possible with https://www.adafruit.com/products/1781 ?
[20:54] <ahop> 2 of them?
[20:54] <methuzla> ahop: one battery, run through this: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1944
[20:54] <ahop> + regulator?
[20:54] <thescatman> that's with a 1.2GHz overclock and a hard drive directly powered lol
[20:54] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: Physically. dude
[20:54] <ali1234> ahop yes, two of those and regulator will get you 5 hours no problem
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[20:55] <thescatman> SpeakerToMeat, Oh. Just measured it for you, 0.8" height by 5.5" length by 2.5" width
[20:56] <ahop> Is LiPo what is in Phone ?
[20:56] <ali1234> yes
[20:56] <ahop> oh really? iPad = LiPo battery ?
[20:56] <ali1234> yes, but flat ones
[20:56] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: Let me remove the freedom from that
[20:56] <ali1234> 18650 has a flat cell rolled up inside it
[20:56] <ahop> What about this one : http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Ultra-Slim-5600mAh-Batterie-Secours-Power-Bank-USB-Chargeur-Externe-pr-Telephone-/281589408607?pt=FR_Mobiles_PDAs_Etuis_housses_coques&var=&hash=item419009635f
[20:56] <thescatman> SpeakerToMeat, damn it lol, I'm in the uk - did it in inches because most people on here are 'murican
[20:57] <ali1234> for that price it won't be 5600mAh
[20:57] <SpeakerToMeat> ahop: Similar, not all phones today use LiPo, LiPo is a new form of Lithium, it's lithium polymer, instead of simple Lithium Ion
[20:57] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: I'm not :D
[20:57] <ali1234> lithium ion and lithium polymer are the same thing
[20:57] <thescatman> 20mm by 140mm by 60mm SpeakerToMeat
[20:57] <thescatman> not that heavy either
[20:57] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: But now I can sell you my idea. I'm trying to setup an interchange. Brittish switch to right side driving, and americans move to metric
[20:57] <ahop> Hum I'm a bit lost now
[20:57] <ahop> Let's do an etherpad to sum all the possibilities ?
[20:57] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: Not that big. nice
[20:58] <SpeakerToMeat> ahop: LiPo is a little more energy density for the size, but it's proner to exploding if exposed to air
[20:58] <thescatman> SpeakerToMeat, Why should brits switch to right side?
[20:58] <ali1234> it's funny how americans STILL use imperial sizes
[20:59] <thescatman> Then 'muricans should change to manual cars too lol
[20:59] <Froolap> we do, they get better mileage
[20:59] <ahop> If we can sum up all the solutions here, thanks in advance : https://etherpad.mozilla.org/PxLjAI24oc
[20:59] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: Lower infrastructure costs. If all countries switch to the same side driving you can reduce infrastructure making costs, from cars to roads to accesories
[20:59] <ahop> Sorry, here is the link:
[20:59] <ahop> http://etherpad.mozilla.org/PxLjAI24oc
[20:59] <SpeakerToMeat> thescatman: Yes Americans would do well to learn stick shift
[21:01] <ahop> what do you think about this : http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Ultra-Slim-5600mAh-Batterie-Secours-Power-Bank-USB-Chargeur-Externe-pr-Telephone-/281589408607?pt=FR_Mobiles_PDAs_Etuis_housses_coques&var=&hash=item419009635f
[21:01] <ahop> is it worth trying?
[21:01] <ShorTie> then that defi's how they teach you to drive, kinda hard to drive with 2 hands on the wheel and shift
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[21:01] <thescatman> ahop, imo don't get a battery pack off ebay
[21:01] <thescatman> iirc you can get a legit 20Ah battery pack off amazon
[21:02] <ahop> thescatman can you paste your link here : https://etherpad.mozilla.org/PxLjAI24oc
[21:02] <ahop> if you find the ebay link
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[21:03] <thescatman> ahop, http://www.amazon.co.uk/EC-Technology%C2%AE-22400mAh-Capacity-Flashlight/dp/B00F5Q4F0U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426622561&sr=8-1&keywords=20000+mah
[21:03] <thescatman> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GBTSHZE/ref=noref?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&s=electronics *
[21:04] <ahop> too expensive for my project
[21:04] <ahop> I need < 20$ battery
[21:04] <ali1234> get a broken laptop battery and rip it open
[21:04] <thescatman> This is what I have ahop http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J1V6ESQ/ref=noref?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&s=electronics
[21:04] <ali1234> usually you get 5 good cells and one bad one
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[21:04] <thescatman> 10 Ah for ~12 quid off flubit
[21:04] <SpeakerToMeat> So, is fbi still the best option for boot splash?
[21:04] <ali1234> yeah there's no way that is 10Ah
[21:05] <ahop> thescatman seems nice
[21:05] <ahop> ali1234 what do you say?
[21:05] <ali1234> amazon and ebay are full of fake batteries
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[21:06] <thescatman> ali1234, tested it
[21:06] <ahop> ali1234 I mixed all the ideas of everyone , and forgot, what was your suggestion for 5+hours and small?
[21:06] <ali1234> get a broken laptop battery for like $2 and salvage the good cells from it
[21:07] <ali1234> get some 18650 holders and a 5V boost converter
[21:07] <thescatman> It recharges a Z1 JUST under 3 times.
[21:07] <ali1234> and get a 1A charger circuit with protection
[21:07] <Ryccardo> ali1234: http://www.gizmochina.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Power-Bank-01.jpg
[21:07] <ali1234> total cost under $10
[21:07] <ali1234> Ryccardo: yes, exactly
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[21:07] <thescatman> A z1 has a 3000mAh battery. Obviously including a ~10-15% power loss, that's pretty much 10 Ah
[21:08] <ali1234> if you buy broken laptop batteries you at least know they are not fake, even if a couple of the cells are broken.
[21:09] <ahop> ali1234 another solution without opening laptop batteries?
[21:09] <ahop> how many 18650 ?
[21:09] <ahop> 1 or 2?
[21:09] <ahop> do I really need this Adafuirt PowerBoost
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[21:10] <methuzla> no. but something equivalent.
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[21:10] <ali1234> you cant charge lithium ions in series without a balancing circuit
[21:11] <ali1234> you can put as many in parallel as you want though
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[21:11] <ahop> methuzla: what equivalent?
[21:11] <Ryccardo> wasn't it the opposite, as one would then try to charge the others?
[21:12] <ali1234> Ryccardo: yes, which means they stay balances when they are parallel
[21:12] <ali1234> in series when that happens, one pushes the other to negative voltage, which kills it
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[21:13] <methuzla> a boost converter, to go from 3.7v to 5v
[21:13] <Ryccardo> and people claim NiMH is dead? pfffft
[21:13] <ali1234> NiMH actually has exactly the same problem
[21:13] <ali1234> lithium ion isn't as hard as people think
[21:14] <ahop> methuzla isn't this a boost converter : 18650 to 5V ? http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Portable-Power-Bank-Externe-18650-Battery-USB-Charger-Chargeur-Pr-iPhone-Samsung-/191131968509?pt=FR_Mobiles_PDAs_Etuis_housses_coques&var=&hash=item2c805a63fd
[21:14] <ali1234> ahop: yes that has a boost converter in it
[21:14] <ali1234> battery is not included though
[21:14] <ahop> ok so I can buy this + a 18650, right?
[21:14] <ali1234> yes
[21:15] <ahop> what autonomy with this?
[21:15] <ali1234> you can also just buy the circuit boards separate
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[21:15] <muriani> hm, I've got a couple of 18650s
[21:15] <ahop> muriani do you run RPi with them?
[21:15] <muriani> no
[21:15] <ali1234> i do
[21:15] <muriani> they're sitting in my parts box atm
[21:16] <ahop> ali1234 oh do you?
[21:16] <ali1234> yes. didn't i give you the links to all the parts i used the other day?
[21:16] <ahop> sorry if I ask the same questions again, but I'm lost with 10 different answers :)
[21:16] <muriani> I thought I just had one, but i found another the other day lol
[21:16] <ahop> ali1234 don't remember!
[21:17] <ahop> ali1234 does the cheap chinese power I just pasted a link from ebay also recharge the 18650?
[21:17] <ali1234> probably
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[21:17] <ahop> or do I need a special charger for 18650?
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[21:18] <ali1234> you need a special charger, that thing should have one though
[21:18] <ali1234> but who knows? cheap stuff from china can be good, or you could get a box of rocks
[21:18] <ahop> hum if special charger, this is bad
[21:18] <ahop> I'm doing this project : http://samplerbox.org/
[21:18] <ahop> a box that contains a RPi
[21:18] <muriani> ali1234: that should work fine for 18650
[21:18] <muriani> it's meant for 2x 18650 though
[21:19] <muriani> in series
[21:19] <ahop> so I need a solutoin that works without some other external components like a 18650 special charger
[21:19] <ali1234> no it isn't. those chinese battery boxes *never* work in series because of the reasons i mentioned before: a balancing charger is much harder to make
[21:19] <ahop> I need something that can be run (and be recharged) all-in-the-box : http://samplerbox.org/
[21:19] <ali1234> they all operate in parallel with a 3.7v to 5v boost converter
[21:20] <ali1234> here comes the list of bits i used
[21:20] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400665524431?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[21:20] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301363229584?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[21:20] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321415658533?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[21:21] <ahop> what's that one ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321415658533?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[21:21] <ali1234> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KAQ0GG2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[21:21] <ahop> a box for a connector?
[21:21] <ali1234> that's all i used. the cells came from a dead laptop, and the only other thing needed is wire and solder
[21:21] <ali1234> ahop: it's a micro usb connector to plug it in to the pi
[21:22] <ahop> oh ok just the plug?
[21:22] <ali1234> yes
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[21:22] <ahop> I cannot see your second link
[21:22] <ahop> because restriction from FR
[21:22] <ahop> idk why
[21:22] <ahop> what was it?
[21:22] <ali1234> boost converter
[21:22] <ali1234> "1PC 1A 3V to 5V DC-DC Converter Step Up Boost New Module"
[21:23] <ahop> So you need 2 things :
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[21:23] <ahop> boost converter
[21:23] <ahop> + charging module?
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[21:23] <ahop> isn't there a all-in-one?
[21:23] <ali1234> yes, and something to hold the batteries
[21:23] <willmore> Froolap, nice hack there with the bpi case.
[21:23] <ali1234> yes, those DIY battery box things. but those are often crap
[21:24] <ali1234> i bought individual modules so i can fit it more easily into my case
[21:24] <Froolap> it's pretty and works. ty
[21:24] <ali1234> and so i can actually test the individual parts
[21:24] <ahop> do you think this http://www.ebaypa.com/albums/20120005/sku095257-8.jpg might be your first link (charger) + 2nd link (powerboost) together?
[21:24] <ali1234> ahop: basically yes. but the circuit board is all in one
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[21:24] <ali1234> i have a couple of things similar to that
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[21:24] <ahop> sorry to ask again the same thing : do you use 1 18650 or 2 with the Pi?
[21:24] <ali1234> two of them turned up with half the pieces missing
[21:24] <ahop> Just one if I understand well?
[21:25] <Froolap> I had the glue the case together and drill out some of the holes because the pi wouldn't fit. but it's workable in the end.
[21:25] <ali1234> the third one puts a dangerous current back out the charging port
[21:25] <ali1234> i use two 18650 and it runs for over 10 hours in my setup
[21:25] <ahop> 2 of them? but doesn't this make 8.4 V (3.7 x 2) ?
[21:25] <ahop> why need powerboost?
[21:26] <muriani> it converts the 8.4v to 5v
[21:26] <ali1234> because i use them in parallel
[21:26] <muriani> or that
[21:26] <ahop> ali1234 oh in parallel?
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[21:26] <ali1234> those charging modules cannot charge in series
[21:26] <ahop> so the voltage doesn't double?
[21:26] <ali1234> no, the capacity doubles
[21:26] <muriani> right, less voltage but more current
[21:27] <ali1234> right. i also need quite high current because i am using motors in my project
[21:27] <ali1234> but those weren't operating during the 10 hours test
[21:27] <ahop> is it worth trying with just one 18650 ?
[21:27] <muriani> ali1234: 2 18650s will drive pi and motors?
[21:27] <ahop> can I expect 5hours with just one 18650 + power boost?
[21:27] <SpeakerToMeat> Are there other hardware accel players than omxplayer?
[21:27] <muriani> heck 10 hours already are decent.
[21:28] <ali1234> muriani: yep. pi uses 350mA and the motors use about 1.2A, that's under 1C
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[21:28] <ali1234> ahop: theoretically yes, but it all depends how much power your system uses
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[21:29] <ali1234> ahop: you should get a charger doctor and measure how much power your system actually uses before you start buying batteries
[21:30] <ahop> yes
[21:30] <ali1234> also go and do a lot of research about them
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[21:33] <ahop> I just bought a 18650 and one of these cheap all-in-one charger/powerboost
[21:33] <ahop> we'll see
[21:33] <ahop> I'll tell you :)
[21:34] <ahop> ali1234 something else: how do you attach your RPi, and all your PCB in your case?
[21:34] <ahop> do you have tips about that?
[21:34] <ali1234> i haven't figured that out yet
[21:34] <ahop> I don't find an easy solution to attach my module PCB to the case
[21:34] <Anorion> which case do you have?
[21:34] <SpeakerToMeat> Are there other hardware accel players than omxplayer?
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[21:35] <ali1234> the boards are quite small so i will probably just solder them all down on to one larger board
[21:35] <ahop> Anorion I don't have a RPi specific case
[21:35] <Anorion> gotcha
[21:35] <ahop> I have a bigger plastic case
[21:35] <ahop> because I need to mount some other things in it
[21:35] <ahop> (buttons, LCD, etc.)
[21:36] <ahop> so I have something like this (but in plastic and not aluminium) : http://www.tme.eu/u/NewProducts1/hammond_1550_aluminium_enclosures.jpg
[21:36] <ahop> how do you attach PCB to the enclosure?
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[21:37] <Anorion> I'd drill some threaded holes and use motherboard standoffs
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[22:05] <Peetz0r> So, I tried longer shutter times and it's dark right now
[22:06] <Peetz0r> but still noting, and the shutter speed seems to limit itself to 5 seconds
[22:06] <Peetz0r> but I really want longer
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[22:15] <ali1234> is it possible to have a dispmanx overlay composited on to the camera picture before the h264 encode step?
[22:15] <Bilby> Peetz0r trying long exposures with the pi cam?
[22:15] <SpeakerToMeat> Is there a nice easy to use premade virtual machine image for a raspbian cross compiler?
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[22:24] <HtheB> :( I cant get my PiTFT to work :(
[22:24] <HtheB> I've tried everything
[22:25] <ShorTie> what model pi if i can ask ??
[22:26] <HtheB> Pi1B (rev1)
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[22:26] <brennen> which pitft?
[22:27] <ShorTie> using current image ??
[22:27] <HtheB> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111438206242
[22:27] <HtheB> RetroPie
[22:28] <HtheB> I keep getting a white screen :(
[22:29] <HtheB> brennen: It is a generic 2.8" inch screen, but it looks a lot like the Adafruit 2.8"
[22:29] <brennen> hmm - given this a go? https://learn.adafruit.com/running-opengl-based-games-and-emulators-on-adafruit-pitft-displays/pitft-setup
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[22:30] <HtheB> on the backside of the PiTFT it says: STMPE610+IL19341
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[22:31] <HtheB> brennen: I dont have screen at all.. :(
[22:31] <HtheB> not even the terminal
[22:31] <HtheB> (on my PiTFT)
[22:31] <brennen> no HDMI monitor plugged in?
[22:31] <petrvs> the 'j' and 'k' hotkeys for omxplayer, for "audio stream"-s; is that for selecting a different audio track in a file that has multiple? (like english, spanish, commentary)
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[22:34] <HtheB> brennen: it is
[22:34] <HtheB> should I remove it?
[22:35] <HtheB> I tried both though, with and without hdmi connected
[22:35] <brennen> sorry, did you try that setup script & kernel?
[22:35] <HtheB> yeah
[22:35] <HtheB> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/easy-install
[22:35] <HtheB> this, right?
[22:36] <brennen> yeah
[22:36] <HtheB> typ
[22:36] <HtheB> yup *
[22:36] <brennen> i'm sorta-kinda responsible for that script, despite which i am not exactly a domain expert.
[22:36] <brennen> what do you get from cat /boot/cmdline.txt ?
[22:37] <HtheB> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[22:38] <brennen> you could try adding fbcon=map:10 fbcon=font:VGA8x8
[22:38] <brennen> and reboot to see if you get the console on the tft.
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[22:39] <HtheB> on a new line?
[22:39] <HtheB> or same line
[22:39] <brennen> same line.
[22:39] <HtheB> fbcon=map:10 fbcon=font:VGA8x8 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[22:39] <HtheB> right?
[22:39] <brennen> ah, sorry, at end of line.
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[22:40] <brennen> adafruit-pitft-helper should do that if you tell it to display console on pitft when it asks.
[22:42] <HtheB> still white
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[22:48] <HtheB> brennen: any other ideas? :(
[22:48] <willmore> The pi2 seems to run pretty cool even under single CPU load. I'll try all cores busy in a bit.
[22:49] <Peetz0r> Bilby: yes, I'm trying to take pictures in a basically dark room
[22:49] <brennen> i'm afraid i'm at a bit of a loss, assuming that: a) it's definitely running our kernel, and b) the adafruit-pitft-helper script has been run.
[22:49] <Peetz0r> so I need exposure times way beyond 5 seconds
[22:49] <brennen> it's very possible that hardware differs from what we've tested with.
[22:49] <brennen> though of course it might also be pretty much identical.
[22:50] <HtheB> hmm
[22:50] <HtheB> does those numbers say anything to you?
[22:51] <HtheB> STMPE610+IL19341
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[22:53] <jhutchins> A Pi will pxe boot, won't it?
[22:53] <Peetz0r> it won't
[22:54] <brennen> you _can_ do netboot
[22:54] <brennen> although i haven't actually gone through any of the tutorials on this yet, i've been meaning to set it up for dev stuff.
[22:54] <Bilby> Peetz0r hmm. The amount of noise may be so massive at those exposure times that the firmware just goes "nope"
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[22:54] <brennen> HtheB: one sec
[22:55] <Peetz0r> Bilby: I'd rather have a bunch of noise than nothing
[22:55] <Peetz0r> at least some choice so I could always try
[22:55] <Bilby> yeah I'm not sure no that one. pretty
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[22:58] <brennen> HtheB: yeah, same as the adafruit one. well, probably.
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[23:03] <HtheB> brennen: should I open my ports? Hope that you could find something using ssh
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[23:03] <willmore> Peetz0r, you can stack a bunch of shorter exposures.
[23:04] <willmore> Running one core worth of "openssl speed", I get a chip temp of 42-43C. With all four cores running, I get only 45.5C
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[23:05] <ozzzy> I can get it up to 65C
[23:06] <Ryccardo> never measured it, but it's enough to burn my finger
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[23:07] <jhutchins> brennen: It appears the 2011 version didn't do it without a bootloader on the card.
[23:07] <Peetz0r> willmore: how would I do that?
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[23:07] <jhutchins> We're finally at the point where you can get a dumb terminal set up for less than a low-end PC.
[23:10] <willmore> Peetz0r, google will help you better than I can on that topic. Look for "long exposure stacking".
[23:10] <willmore> ozzzy, I'm only getting it up to 56C. What's your idle temp? Also, how do you do it? ;)
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[23:10] <ozzzy> willmore, I run piTest2 to crank all 4 cores up to 100%
[23:11] <ozzzy> I'm idling at 41C (1000MHz)
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[23:11] <willmore> I'll look into that, thank, ozzzy.
[23:11] <willmore> Oww, 46.5.
[23:11] <willmore> I'm pretty sure my idle is way cooler than that. Also, no OC'ed.
[23:12] <Peetz0r> willmore: thanks
[23:12] <willmore> ozzzy, what package is piTest2 in?
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[23:12] <ozzzy> willmore, you just download it... it's not a package
[23:13] <willmore> ozzzy, okay, I'll go look for it.
[23:13] <ozzzy> but I ran it with 10 threads using for a in `seq 1 10`; do xxxxxxxxx.....
[23:13] <ozzzy> so it ran and ran
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[23:13] <brennen> HtheB: i could take a cursory look, but no promises.
[23:13] <willmore> ozzzy, try googling piTest2. ;)
[23:14] <willmore> doesn't look like what I'm looking for. ;)
[23:15] <ozzzy> https://github.com/raspitv/pi2test
[23:15] <ozzzy> sorry... pi2test
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[23:15] <willmore> Ahh, way better, thanks, ozzzy.
[23:15] <ozzzy> np
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[23:17] <willmore> ozzzy, idle temp here is 36C, so that's 5C differential to start with.
[23:17] <ozzzy> yeah... when I ran at 700 it was about there
[23:18] <ozzzy> but my board is in a case too
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[23:19] <willmore> ozzzy, you mean 900? pi2.
[23:19] <ozzzy> whatever is the default
[23:19] <ozzzy> thought it was 700 [shrug]
[23:19] <willmore> 700 is for the normal pi. The 2 is stock at 900.
[23:20] <ozzzy> ok
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[23:21] <willmore> Ahh, doesn't run very long. I'll put in a loop
[23:21] <ozzzy> yep... give it 10 threads and put it in a loop
[23:21] <HtheB> brennen: check pm
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[23:27] <willmore> ozzzy, only 46C.
[23:28] <chod> whats the performance like over the single core version?
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[23:37] <ozzzy> willmore, in a case?
[23:37] <ozzzy> chod, like a pentium to an AT
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[23:44] <willmore> ozzzy, peaks around 47C. No, no case. Just open on the floor.
[23:45] <ozzzy> yeah... mine's in a case
[23:45] <ozzzy> fairly small case
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[23:54] <l_r> hi
[23:54] <l_r> what's up
[23:54] <chod> ozzzy: a decent jump then
[23:54] <chod> ethernet got a better path or crippled by usb route?
[23:55] <Ryccardo> still goes over usb for 100% compatibility
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[23:57] <SpeakerToMeat> Uh, should my raspbian have sudo? did I do something wrong? eh
[23:57] <peeps[work]> raspberry pi will draw power from a peripheral USB port if no power is supplied over the microusb input port?
[23:57] <peeps[work]> is that supposed to happen?
[23:58] <Ryccardo> peeps[work]: on the Pi1, it is (although not ideal)
[23:58] <ShorTie> depends on the model of the pi, but ya it can happen

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