#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-20

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:00] <andypugh> It’s not my .config
[0:01] <HtheB> how can I set up a "boot video" WHILE the device starts up?
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[0:01] <Froolag> good question, sounds like fun.
[0:01] <HtheB> so the end-user won't get the terminal boot text
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[0:03] <HtheB> I want to add this video on the boot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZy08NsG2FM
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[0:07] <niston> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2013/09/adding-a-startup-movie-to-your-raspberry-pi/
[0:07] <RockyTV> hey guys I have an application running on my pi that requires port forwarding. I've forwarded it, and it does not work on my public IP. if I reboot the pi, it works for public but stops working after some minutes. what can this be?
[0:07] <niston> probably as good as it can get
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[0:08] <HtheB> niston: thanks! I also asked the same question at #linux, they told me to look for 'Bootsplash'. Any idea which would be betteR?
[0:09] <niston> no.
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[0:11] <andypugh> Well, I found the headers…. https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.18.y/include/uapi/linux/netfilter_ipv4
[0:11] <andypugh> under uapi rather linux…
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[0:13] <ShorTie> when doing a kernel with some else's .config as a start you should start with 'make oldconfig' which updates it to your kernel your compile, then a 'make menuconfig' and check stuff, then a 'make prepare', or at least that is the best process i've found
[0:13] <l_r> how is the rpi browser called?
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[0:14] <l_r> ice-something
[0:16] <RockyTV> is there somewhere I can get support for my Pi?
[0:16] <andypugh> ShorTie: I am using the bcm2709_defconfig which is supposedly tailored for the Pi
[0:18] <ShorTie> doesn't matter
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[0:19] <ShorTie> the .config file is kernel dependant
[0:19] <devslash> I enabled X11 forwarding over SSH,connected to my PI from a windows machine with X11 Forwarding enabled and am trying to get XMing working but i cant. can anyone help me
[0:20] <andypugh> ShorTie: So you are suggesting that if I pull the Rpi kernel source from the Rpi git archive to compile an Rpi kernel using the Rpi defconfig I should expectt o have to make random guesses what needs changing to get it to compile?
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[0:23] <methuzla> RockyTV what kind of support?
[0:23] <ShorTie> the above step are like the correct proceedure, which will not hurt, and to 'random guess' there should be none if you know your hardware
[0:23] <RockyTV> methuzla, technical
[0:23] <methuzla> you can ask here
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[0:24] <RockyTV> my pi keeps disconnecting itself from the internet
[0:24] <ShorTie> you can't (or shouldn't) take a 3.16.x .config and drop it into like 3.18.x, things change
[0:24] <andypugh> ShorTie: Yes, but, anyway, how is a missing header file a config problem?
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[0:25] <e^ipi> andypugh: because of what i said earlier, that header is probably generated
[0:25] <ShorTie> maybe that is 1 of the changes and it is not there no more maybe
[0:26] <methuzla> RockyTV wired or wifi?
[0:26] <RockyTV> wired, methuzla. interface is all setup, it was working fine until I noticed it today
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[0:26] <RockyTV> basically, if either the pi or my modem reboots, it connects to the internet
[0:26] <RockyTV> then after a few minutes it disconnects
[0:27] <methuzla> DHCP or static?
[0:27] <RockyTV> static
[0:29] <methuzla> have you tried DHCP?
[0:29] <RockyTV> the router near it does not have support for it
[0:29] <RockyTV> for DHCP I mean*
[0:30] <methuzla> what about the modem?
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[0:37] <ShorTie> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4178526/what-does-make-oldconfig-do-exactly-linux-kernel-makefile
[0:38] <RockyTV> it has, but I can't use it
[0:38] <RockyTV> I have a server running in it that requires a static ip address
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[0:41] <methuzla> was hoping DHCP would at least get to a working state
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[0:43] <methuzla> could something else be taking over the ip address?
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[0:50] <RockyTV> methuzla, idk
[0:50] <RockyTV> now it got disconnected again
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[0:57] <methuzla> are you IRCing on another computer attached to same network?
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[1:03] <RockyTV> yes,
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[1:05] <methuzla> how did you configure networking on the pi?
[1:07] <RockyTV> nano /etc/network/interfaces
[1:07] <methuzla> cool. can you pastebin that file?
[1:09] <RockyTV> here you go: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJGwsq4q
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[1:26] <andypugh> ali1234: Out of interest and puzzlement, does it look like your compilation generated extra files in include/linux/netfilter_ipv4 ?
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[1:26] <andypugh> The github archive only has: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.18.y/include/linux/netfilter_ipv4
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[1:38] <retrosenator> can the rpi2 do svideo?
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[1:39] <BigJ> Anyone know if it would be possible to build a lightweight version or Arch say using blackbox or xfce as a window manager and be able to run Netflix at a good frame rate from within a browser? Or will the browser just have too much overhead?
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[1:43] <retrosenator> maybe it's possible to drive svideo from audio output?
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[2:01] <ebswift> hi, is there a script i can run to expand root fs without going into raspi-config?
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[2:02] <OffensiveUser> you can do that from a terminal
[2:03] <ebswift> yep, i want to automate it as part of a deploy script
[2:04] <OffensiveUser> /boot/raspi-expand-rootfs.sh .
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[2:04] <OffensiveUser> http://www.raspberryvi.org/wiki/doku.php/raspi-expand-rootfs
[2:04] <OffensiveUser> o
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[2:05] <OffensiveUser> I can't read
[2:05] <ebswift> hmm, not in my boot, i saw that info but thought it must be outdated
[2:05] <OffensiveUser> but
[2:05] <OffensiveUser> no you must download the script
[2:05] <ebswift> ic, will do that thx
[2:06] <OffensiveUser> idk how to make it run automatically on first boot though
[2:06] <ebswift> yeah i'll make a shell script that installs all the stuff i need and runs whatever needs to run
[2:07] <ebswift> so initial wget for the deploy script then go from there
[2:07] <OffensiveUser> kewl
[2:07] <ebswift> replicate from a gdrive folder structure
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[2:09] <Tachyon`> p
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[2:24] <HtheB> I need some help with my splashscreen: I want to load a video, and when the video is done playing, i want to show a .png picture untill everything is loaded
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[2:24] <HtheB> but somehow, the png file loads faster, so it goes like this now: shows png, plays mp4, goes back to png
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[2:27] <HtheB> this is what the splashscreen file is right now: http://pastebin.com/PK8v4mYu
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[2:31] <CoJaBo> HtheB: The & makes stuff run in parallel
[2:32] <HtheB> so, what do you advice me?
[2:32] <HtheB> remove the &?
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[2:37] <CoJaBo> HtheB: Pretty much; you can't run things in parallel if you want them to happen in a defined order..
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[2:41] <SirLagz> you use && if you want to run them in a defined order
[2:42] <SirLagz> this-script.sh && that-script.sh && final-script.sh
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[2:45] <Triffid_Hunter> && is for when you want the next thing to run only if the first one has no error
[2:45] <Triffid_Hunter> use ; if you don't care about errors
[2:48] <HtheB> Triffid_Hunter: thnx!
[2:49] <HtheB> Triffid_Hunter: any idea what exactly this command does?
[2:49] <HtheB> /usr/bin/fbi -T 1 -noverbose -a /etc/splashloading.png &
[2:49] <HtheB> it should show a static png file
[2:49] <HtheB> but what does those options do
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[2:50] <SirLagz> HtheB: fbi --help might tell you
[2:50] <SirLagz> HtheB: otherwise man fbi will tell you
[2:50] <HtheB> :D
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[7:08] <fractaline> hi friends, im having trouble installing the driver for my wifi adapter
[7:09] <fractaline> as a tar.gz
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[7:09] <fractaline> using the make make install
[7:10] <fractaline> root@raspberrypi:/home/pi/link/20140812_rtl8192EU_linux_v4.3.1.1_11320# make make ARCH=armv7l CROSS_COMPILE= -C /lib/modules/3.18.9-v7+/build M=/home/pi/link/20140812_rtl8192EU_linux_v4.3.1.1_11320 modules make[1]: *** /lib/modules/3.18.9-v7+/build: No such file or directory. Stop. Makefile:1323: recipe for target 'modules' failed
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[7:11] <fractaline> there is no "build" in that directory... should i just add it manually?
[7:11] <fractaline> i tried ./configure also...
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[7:15] <chuletas> im not trying to spam, but not sure if the message was sent... here we go. Promise, last time...
[7:15] <chuletas> Im having some trouble configuring the touch modules for pitft28-resisitive. evtest recognizes the device, but no data is received... any suggestions?
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[7:18] <chuletas> im not sure if I should check something in the hardware... or software... the touch device stmpe-ts is properly recognized by its module, and evtest shows this device... but no events are received at all...
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[7:55] <fractaline> hi, i need some help installing drivers...
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[7:59] <SirLagz> fractaline: what drivers ?
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[8:03] <fractaline> SirLagz: for my wifi adaptor
[8:04] <fractaline> dlink dwa 131, git the tar.gz from the wiki/website
[8:04] <fractaline> got not git...
[8:04] <fractaline> cant get past the "make" command
[8:05] <fractaline> lsusb shows the device but with minimal info
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[8:07] <fractaline> dmesg shows a bit more but wcid network cant see it
[8:08] <fractaline> ifconfig
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[8:13] <fractaline> iwconfig shows no connection
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[8:21] <SirLagz> fractaline: what's lsusb show ?
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[10:42] <Opinie> there aren't any settings for the rpi camera module that might produce pictures of more than blotches of light of a partial solar eclipse?
[10:43] <Opinie> *, are there
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[10:46] <Opinie> anyone?
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[10:47] <retrosenator> maybe you can use a lense
[10:47] <Jck_true> 2 min :)
[10:47] <retrosenator> and project the eclipse onto paper
[10:47] <Jck_true> And it's so effing clouded here you can't really see annything anyway...
[10:47] <retrosenator> and from there view the paper with the rpi camera
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[11:01] <Opinie> damn, that sounds pretty high-tech
[11:01] <Opinie> guess I'll have a go in 2018
[11:01] <Opinie> thanks though
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[11:08] <retrosenator> does opengl work yet?
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[11:15] <retrosenator> i mean open source opengl.. the driver is only opengles?
[11:15] <retrosenator> does it work in windowed mode?
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[11:17] <Sonny_Jim> opengl won't ever work
[11:17] <Sonny_Jim> opengles opengles2 both now work
[11:17] <Sonny_Jim> Whether your application supports opengles/es2 is another matter
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[11:20] <retrosenator> why won't opengl ever work?
[11:21] <retrosenator> the problem is I need opengles 1.1
[11:21] <retrosenator> but I need it to work in windowed mode so several applications can
[11:21] <retrosenator> last time I tried with binary drivers it was full screen only and could not work with windows
[11:21] <Sonny_Jim> Because the GPU doesn't support OpenGL
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[11:24] <retrosenator> not even 1.0 or 2.0?
[11:24] <Sonny_Jim> *sigh*
[11:24] <retrosenator> well anyway doesn't matter
[11:24] <retrosenator> I just want to know if the open source drivers work
[11:24] <Sonny_Jim> The GPU doesn't support OpenGL, which is completely different to OpenGLES
[11:24] <retrosenator> for gles
[11:24] <Sonny_Jim> Yes they do
[11:24] <retrosenator> it's not completely different...
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[11:25] <Sonny_Jim> I'll rephrase my answer then:
[11:25] <retrosenator> since I run opengl on top of opengles
[11:25] <retrosenator> using a wrapper library
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[11:25] <Sonny_Jim> Something that's written to use OpenGL won't work with an OpenGLES GPU unless it's modified
[11:26] <retrosenator> I agree with that
[11:26] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just really confused
[11:27] <Sonny_Jim> What exactly is it you are trying to do?
[11:27] <retrosenator> did you use the opensource driver?
[11:27] <retrosenator> i want to run opengles in a window and still be able to use other windows
[11:28] <retrosenator> doesn't work with broadcom binary driver
[11:28] <Sonny_Jim> What application are you trying to use?
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[11:29] <retrosenator> opencpn
[11:30] <retrosenator> did you try the opensource driver?
[11:30] <retrosenator> the problem is i fried my hdmi screen
[11:30] <retrosenator> and my internet is very very slow to download stuff
[11:31] <retrosenator> like apt-get update can be impossible most of the time
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[11:31] <retrosenator> not sure if I should invest in a rpi2 or not
[11:31] <Datalink> retrosenator, dialup, sat link, or rural wifi?
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[11:32] <retrosenator> none of the above
[11:32] <Datalink> then how is your network that high latency? o.O?
[11:32] <retrosenator> it's 2g internet in indonesia
[11:32] <Datalink> ah, option 4... crap cellular coverage
[11:32] <Datalink> my condolences
[11:32] <retrosenator> heh
[11:32] <retrosenator> well it's not a bad signal, just very low speed
[11:33] <retrosenator> the signal to the tower is ok, but between the tower and actual internet depends
[11:33] <retrosenator> it works pretty good after dark at least I'm getting 128kbps
[11:33] <Datalink> I'm probably spoiled by 3G and 4GLTE, sadly... Edge and other 2G tech is... well, I feel for you, basically
[11:34] <Sonny_Jim> AFAIK there is no opensource driver for the GPU, as it loads a binary blob during boot
[11:34] <retrosenator> it's just hard to upgrade my pi from 2012 image
[11:34] <Datalink> the good old days where the techies wait till the network traffic is down
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[11:35] <ShorTie> setup a crown job to update @ 2am while everyone is asleep
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[11:35] <Datalink> Sonny_Jim, Broadcom released it, actually... 3 clause BSD license... http://blog.broadcom.com/chip-design/android-for-all-broadcom-gives-developers-keys-to-the-videocore-kingdom/ year old article now
[11:36] <Datalink> I'd probably take the Pi to a local library, or similar.
[11:36] <Sonny_Jim> Did they release the bootloader specs?
[11:36] <Sonny_Jim> From what I remember the GPU/boot sequence were intimately intwined
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[11:36] <retrosenator> local library?
[11:36] <retrosenator> is that a joke?
[11:36] <Datalink> Sonny_Jim, probably not, but very few companies ever release the firmware level stuff
[11:37] <Datalink> retrosenator, forgive my optimism of the situation... sorry
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[11:37] <retrosenator> actually they had those in malaysia
[11:37] <retrosenator> but this is indonesia
[11:37] <retrosenator> and i'm in a really backward funky place
[11:37] <Datalink> read that as blind optimism that options exist
[11:37] <retrosenator> the internet cafe here uses crt screens
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[11:38] <Sonny_Jim> "The source release targets the BCM21553 cellphone chip, but it should be reasonably straightforward to port this to the BCM2835"
[11:38] <retrosenator> but maybe their connection is better actually...
[11:38] <retrosenator> i read online that the open source opengles driver is basically working
[11:38] <Datalink> hopefully they have an ISP link, they do have to host multiple computers
[11:38] <retrosenator> but maybe requires patching the kernel
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[11:39] <retrosenator> a lot of internet cafes run off the cell network
[11:39] <Sonny_Jim> I can't see the open source version being radically 'better'/faster than the binary blob
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[11:39] <Datalink> retrosenator, ah, so it may take waiting for the times they're closed to get decent speeds, if they're part of the conjestion issue
[11:39] <retrosenator> Datalink: there were only 2 computers in the internet cafe
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[11:40] <retrosenator> normally you can't use wifi either, you have to use their computer
[11:40] <retrosenator> which makes it really difficult using windows xp
[11:40] <retrosenator> with broken keyboards
[11:40] <retrosenator> Sonny_Jim: maybe it's not faster, but it could at least support windows
[11:41] <Sonny_Jim> Also looking around, it doesn't seem the OpenCPN is limited by the GPU
[11:41] <retrosenator> Sonny_Jim: the closed one is full screen, so you cannot run opengles alongside other applications
[11:42] <Sonny_Jim> It would probably run a whole heap better on a Pi2
[11:42] <retrosenator> trust me, opencpn is limited by both cpu and gpu to how smoothly it works
[11:42] <Sonny_Jim> I can't see how
[11:42] <retrosenator> so it works and is useful without opengl even, but it cannot work very smoothly
[11:42] <retrosenator> the pi2 has the same graphics right?
[11:42] <retrosenator> so should use the same opensource driver
[11:43] <Sonny_Jim> It's not like Quake3 where it has to draw a complicated 3D environment
[11:43] <retrosenator> you must underestimate what 20 gigabytes of compressed data takes
[11:43] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, but the GPU doesn't do that
[11:43] <retrosenator> and that's only covers in detail 5 countries or so
[11:43] <retrosenator> actually it does, because it uses compressed textures
[11:43] <retrosenator> in etc1 format
[11:43] <retrosenator> so it needs hardware acceleration by the gpu
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> OpenCDN uses 20GB 3D textures?
[11:44] <retrosenator> and it's more than that anyway
[11:44] <retrosenator> 2d textures
[11:44] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
[11:44] <retrosenator> and the 20gb is compressed in tif
[11:45] <retrosenator> it can use more than that
[11:45] <retrosenator> that's just nautical charts for a few countries
[11:45] <retrosenator> consider google earth imagery cached could be terabytes
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[11:46] <retrosenator> random accessing this from usb hdd at 50 frames per second
[11:46] <Sonny_Jim> Well, like I said. I wouldn't expect the opensource OpenGLES driver to be radically quicker and from what I read OpenCPN doesn't support OpenGLES fully
[11:46] <retrosenator> well it does
[11:46] <Sonny_Jim> So what's your question?
[11:46] <retrosenator> it works perfectly with mali drivers
[11:46] <retrosenator> does it work in windowed mode
[11:46] <retrosenator> ?
[11:46] <Sonny_Jim> I have no idea
[11:46] <retrosenator> heh
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[11:47] <Sonny_Jim> Why don't you write a test program and find out?
[11:47] <retrosenator> I wonder if anyone has used the opensource drivers
[11:48] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6488
[11:48] <Datalink> retrosenator, donno if this'd help you with the ISP situation... sounds like all the options are initial investment based http://www.expat.or.id/info/internetaccess.html
[11:49] <Datalink> likely you've already done that research though
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[11:49] <retrosenator> i live on a boat
[11:49] <retrosenator> i'm not attached to land
[11:49] <retrosenator> Sonny_Jim: broke my hdmi screen
[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> So you can't load a browser?
[11:50] <Sonny_Jim> Try using links
[11:50] <Datalink> retrosenator, ah, reducing options to cellular, WiMax, and satellite...
[11:50] <retrosenator> satellite is probably not possible on $100 per month budget
[11:51] <retrosenator> right now I have 128kbps unlimited for $4 a month
[11:51] <retrosenator> I suppose.. I could get like 4 of those
[11:51] <retrosenator> not sure how to combine them but at least could download 4 files at a time
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[11:52] <retrosenator> i can load a browser, I just can't apt-get stuff in any reasonable timeframe
[11:52] <Datalink> yeah, satellites' a bit past my budget too, I'd have to look into NIC teaming, it's not something I've not done in a while
[11:52] <retrosenator> a gigabyte would take 24 hours
[11:52] <retrosenator> if i'm lucky anyway
[11:53] <Datalink> yeah, gets to the point it'd be faster to get a sim card shipped to you...
[11:53] <retrosenator> actually more like 72 hours
[11:53] <retrosenator> but it only works at dark
[11:53] <retrosenator> otherwise it's only possible to get text emails and it's really slow
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[11:54] <Datalink> yeah, big problem with shared bandwidth... it's shared
[11:55] <retrosenator> in philippines it was super fast
[11:55] <retrosenator> i had 4g in remote islands and none of the people living there had computers
[11:55] <retrosenator> so I was downloading at 8mbps
[11:56] <retrosenator> and after 1 hour I got a text message informing me that my unlimited internet plan I had used too much and they were reducing my speed to 20kb/s
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[11:56] <retrosenator> making it practically unusable
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[11:57] <Datalink> that sort of unlimited should be against international law...
[11:58] <Datalink> should, sadly it isn't
[11:58] <retrosenator> why?
[11:58] <retrosenator> you mean unlimited except there is a limit if you use too much?
[11:59] <retrosenator> it only cost $1 for 24 hours and the limit reset at midnight...
[11:59] <Datalink> yeah
[11:59] <retrosenator> so I would sign up at 10pm, and download a lot of stuff
[11:59] <Datalink> oh, is that reset daily?
[11:59] <retrosenator> it hit the cap
[11:59] <retrosenator> but I still had 22 hours
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[11:59] <retrosenator> and reset
[12:00] <retrosenator> and got another gigabyte (it would cap at 1gb)
[12:00] <Datalink> here it's actually monthly on a lot of the phone carriers
[12:00] <retrosenator> so I could get 2gb for $1
[12:00] <retrosenator> in philippines they had monthly for $20, 5 day for $4 and 1 day for $1
[12:00] <retrosenator> also 15 minutes for 5 cents
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[12:01] <retrosenator> in indonesia I can't read it because its not english, but from what I could gather it's $4 for a month but really slow
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[12:03] <Datalink> seems no matter where a person is, the ultimate in high bandwidth is a USB stick or portable hard drive
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[12:05] <Datalink> as for a bunch of modems, the technique's called network bonding, network teaming, among other terms, tends to be OS specific
[12:05] <Datalink> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-ubuntu-teaming-aggregating-multiple-network-connections.html applies it to high speed network cards but the technique should work in Raspbian with a few cellular modems
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[12:09] <Datalink> hm, not sure how well it would fix things, since it may require network card MAC address changes in-transit
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[12:15] <retrosenator> aggregating many of them to give me 4x128kbps
[12:16] <retrosenator> i'm really not sure how it can work
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[12:17] <ShorTie> shotgunning connections has been around for years
[12:18] <retrosenator> but won't you have several ip?
[12:18] <retrosenator> maybe it works well with many tcp connections
[12:19] <Datalink> yes, but the teaming driver handles that partially, persistent connections stay with one IP... but for the more dynamic http requests, they'll take turns
[12:19] <retrosenator> but how can it enhance a single tcp stream?
[12:19] <ShorTie> load balancing
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[12:20] <steve_rox> i assume everyone went nuts gettin eclipse piccs?
[12:21] <ShorTie> not really, what eclipse ??
[12:21] <Sonny_Jim> Exactly
[12:21] <Sonny_Jim> Was lame
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[12:25] <steve_rox> and you call yourselfs geeks/nerds :-P
[12:25] <Sonny_Jim> The one in 1999 was much more impressive
[12:25] <retrosenator> where is the eclipse?
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[12:25] <retrosenator> lunar or solar?
[12:25] <retrosenator> i'm at 8 34S 119 01E
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[12:29] <Hix2> retrosenator It's completely gone at 52�N 0�E I doubt you'll have seen it at that latitude
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[12:30] <Hix> http://static.ow.ly/photos/original/a1ntv.jpg was about all I managed to see, due to excessive cloud cover
[12:30] <retrosenator> no I'm at 8S
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[12:31] <retrosenator> i'll have that image in 2-3 minutes
[12:32] <sivteck> oo
[12:32] <steve_rox> i poined my super zoom cam at it with a welding mask glass plate over it
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[12:34] <Hix> at 8� retrosenator is it an eclipse at all that far south? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mNFNSoODRPg/Uxo7GKPql1I/AAAAAAAABc8/IrmcVxCdME4/s1600/3-20-Solar-Eclipse-Visibility-Map.JPG
[12:34] <retrosenator> i don't know it's dark
[12:34] <retrosenator> nice picture
[12:35] <retrosenator> is that taken with a rpi?
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[12:36] <Hix> ha, no. Nikon D810 300mm with 2.0 TC
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[12:36] <avrdude> can i boot into desktop as the user root, instead of pi?
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[12:37] <shiftplusone> stupid, but possible.
[12:37] <Hix> what role does /boot/start_x.elf play int eh scheme of things? I updated it to try and fix the annotate v2/v3 issue and it's borked my card
[12:39] <avrdude> Or, how can i boot into desktop and then run a script as root?
[12:39] <shiftplusone> Hix, it's an alternative start.elf with a few extra things enabled to make the camera work.
[12:40] <Hix> hmm well it appears to have buggerd my sd
[12:40] <shiftplusone> avrdude, look up lxde autostart.
[12:40] <shiftplusone> or put it in your xinitrc
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[12:42] <Triffid_Hunter> avrdude: running things as root is what sudo is for
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[12:45] <avrdude> shiftplusone: can you please tell me how i can boot into desktop as root?
[12:45] <shiftplusone> No, I'm not a monster.
[12:46] <retrosenator> come on, I used to use root as my user
[12:46] <jamesaxl> i see that with GPIO.PWM we can play with any Gpio as pwm , even if t s not PWM
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[12:48] <avrdude> ...
[12:48] <avrdude> is anyone able to help me?
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[12:49] <steve_rox> i once did that
[12:49] <steve_rox> x seesion kinda behaved strangeish
[12:49] <steve_rox> i did it by doing
[12:49] <steve_rox> sudo startx
[12:50] <Datalink> avrdude, why do you want to run X in root?
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[12:50] <Datalink> if you just want to run a script as root, sudo the script, don't sudo the whole system
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[12:51] <retrosenator> in the good old days with redhat 5.2 I used to do startx as root no problem
[12:51] <avrdude> no, i want to automatically start x, and i want to automatically start a gui application, and it needs to run as root
[12:51] <Triffid_Hunter> avrdude: asking to run desktop as root is like asking to install the driver's seat of your car backwards. it's technically possible, but a really bad idea for a myriad of reasons, and no-one can think of a single worthwile reason to do it
[12:51] <Datalink> I actually have a script for an embedded application (media display for my town's gov't channel) and the tasks that require root in the script are run sudo specificallly
[12:51] <avrdude> and starting it with sudo doesnt work, because there are some environment variables that are not set
[12:52] <shiftplusone> sudo -E ?
[12:52] <Triffid_Hunter> avrdude: then sudo a script that sets up the vars it needs
[12:52] <avrdude> i have tried
[12:52] <avrdude> and for some reason, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is impossible to set
[12:52] <Hix> hmm seems that start_x.elf wasn't actually .elf it was the html for this page https://github.com/6by9/RPiTest/blob/master/annotate/start_x.elf so how to pull down the file? i did wget https://github.com/6by9/RPiTest/blob/master/annotate/start_x.elf
[12:52] <shiftplusone> Hix, find the 'raw' button.
[12:53] <shiftplusone> wget https://github.com/6by9/RPiTest/raw/master/annotate/start_x.elf
[12:53] <Hix> https://github.com/6by9/RPiTest/raw/master/annotate/start_x.elf
[12:53] <Datalink> avrdude, and sudo -E didn't work?
[12:53] <Hix> ah, oops, cheers
[12:53] <pksato> or make script/program as set suid.
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[12:53] <avrdude> Datalink: no
[12:53] <retrosenator> does the rpi2 have sata?
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[12:53] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, nope
[12:53] <Hix> missed the blob / raw difference in URLs
[12:54] <Triffid_Hunter> avrdude: it would probably be easier to put the library in the right spot
[12:54] <Datalink> avrdude, I wonder if there's another problem with the launch path... as that should transfer...
[12:54] <retrosenator> too bad it's missing sata
[12:54] <Datalink> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH maybe?
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[12:55] <retrosenator> anyway why don't you just use sudo in your startup script?
[12:55] <pksato> LD_LIBRARY_PATH? same was wrong. :)
[12:55] <Datalink> retrosenator, SATA would require another controller, and increase costs, there are Pi-like boards with SATA, Banana Pi I believe is one of them
[12:55] <retrosenator> you did export LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[12:55] <avrdude> look, i have tried everything you're suggesting.. i export it, try to run my script as sudo, but still..
[12:55] <retrosenator> or just "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=blah command"
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[12:55] <avrdude> http://xahlee.info/UnixResource_dir/_/ldpath.html
[12:55] <avrdude> its ignored
[12:55] <retrosenator> so manually
[12:55] <retrosenator> in a terminal
[12:56] <retrosenator> you can run this with sudo?
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[12:56] <avrdude> the only way im able to run my script right now is to login as root, export the variable, then start my script
[12:56] <avrdude> but i want to do this automatically on boot
[12:56] * Datalink checks the backup from his messageboard
[12:57] <retrosenator> maybe /root/.bashrc
[12:57] <retrosenator> you can export it there
[12:57] <avrdude> if anyone has a way of doing that, i would appreciate it
[12:57] <retrosenator> and then use sudo
[12:57] <Datalink> avrdude, are you able to provide a pastebin of this script?
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[12:57] <avrdude> its a python script
[12:57] <avrdude> but sure
[12:57] <retrosenator> sudo XX=1 env | grep XX
[12:57] <retrosenator> works
[12:58] <retrosenator> XX=1 sudo env | grep XX
[12:58] <retrosenator> not work
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[12:59] <Datalink> hm, I need to grab the .ratpoisonrc and the rc.local from the Pi at city hall later, it seems...
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[13:00] <avrdude> Datalink: http://pastebin.com/pELwyF4s
[13:01] <retrosenator> maybe you can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH from within the python script
[13:01] <avrdude> hmm that would be nice
[13:01] <retrosenator> there are countless ways of doing what you want
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[13:02] <avrdude> why didnt i think of that :x
[13:02] <Datalink> avrdude, sometimes seeing things from a fresh perspective helps
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[13:05] <Datalink> as for "this doesn't work, maybe if I run (broader and broader scopes of the OS) as superuser will fix it?" it's kinda like going after a small loose screw with a large sledge hammer... it does a lot more harm than good... Linux is considered secure because of the authentication required to do dangerous things. Principle of sudo and limited superuser running is that the more dangerous something is, the harder it should be to do by mistake.
[13:05] <retrosenator> so it works now?
[13:05] <retrosenator> when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail
[13:06] <retrosenator> when you are a nail, everything looks like a hammer
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[13:08] <Datalink> heh, the biggest gripe when Sudo was created, at the time it was just a basic hack, and didn't yet have suid set on it, so it basically ran SU, the command in question and terminated.
[13:08] <Datalink> these days it's evolved to be a very useful tool
[13:08] <pksato> if search is correct, edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and change user auto login parameter.
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[13:11] <retrosenator> make the auto login user root
[13:11] <Sonny_Jim> Where's the obvious one: Why does the application need root?
[13:11] <Sonny_Jim> What application is it?
[13:11] <Sonny_Jim> s/where's/Here's
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[13:14] <avrdude> Sonny_Jim: it uses the wiringpi library which needs to run as root
[13:14] <Sonny_Jim> Ah makes sense
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[13:15] <Sonny_Jim> gordon should really fix that, really there is no reason for it to require root
[13:15] <Sonny_Jim> IIRC it's due to the priority parts of it
[13:15] <Datalink> heh, my sudo code needed for the message board, 3 lines:
[13:15] <Datalink> fgc=`sudo fgconsole`
[13:15] <Datalink> sudo chvt 8
[13:15] <Datalink> sudo chvt $fg
[13:15] <avrdude> maybe im being retarded now, but i put a script on my desktop that looks like this: http://pastebin.com/jWi30Grv
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[13:16] <avrdude> but when i double click and select "run in terminal", nothing happens
[13:16] <avrdude> not even the echo bit
[13:16] <Datalink> it quickly flashes from the framebuffer away and back to deal with a GUI bug I had... I need to retest
[13:16] <Datalink> avrdude, what does it output when you run it from a commandline?
[13:16] <Datalink> an already open terminal
[13:16] <retrosenator> avrdude: why don't you make the script +s ?
[13:17] <avrdude> well, i dont have a keyboard attached right now..
[13:17] <avrdude> retrosenator: please explain
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[13:17] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok, wiringPi writes directly to /dev/mem, so non-root access might be tricky
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[13:18] <Sonny_Jim> TBH it would be better as a kernel module and some kind of device in /dev
[13:18] <Datalink> Sonny_Jim, I had actually SUID'd WiringPi at one point to get around that...
[13:18] <Datalink> or at least had sudo for the actual call to wiringpi
[13:18] <Datalink> I forget, it's been 2 years since I even played with the GPIO
[13:19] <Sonny_Jim> tbh it's not good practice for any wiringPi application to have to run as root
[13:19] <Datalink> avrdude, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=14719 copy and paste the commands using the mouse
[13:19] <Datalink> Sonny_Jim, like I said, sudo of the actual call to WiringPi is safest
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[13:20] <avrdude> never mind, i found a second keyboard
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[13:20] <avrdude> it gives "/bin/bash^M: bad interpreter"
[13:20] <avrdude> i guess my script is messed up
[13:20] <Datalink> dos2unix it
[13:21] <Datalink> ^M is a windows end of line...
[13:21] <avrdude> dos2unix command not found :(
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[13:22] <Datalink> sudo apt-get install dos2unix
[13:23] <Sonny_Jim> Safer than a device driver for GPIO?
[13:23] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[13:23] <Datalink> Sonny_Jim, if I had done it, I'd probably have the GPIO control as a service that'd use a pipe to be controlled
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[13:25] <retrosenator> avrdude:
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[13:25] <retrosenator> chmod +s script
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[13:26] <avrdude> ok, so now i try to "os.environ["LD_LIBRARY_PATH"] = "/usr/local/lib/"" in my python script, but it failed to run.. also, if i echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH it is not set
[13:26] <retrosenator> wait no I mean +t
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[13:30] <retrosenator> i don't think you can do it for script
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[13:34] <pksato> ah. stop. need a LD_LIBRARY_PATH to use /usr/local/lib/?
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[13:35] <Datalink> why isn't /usr/local/lib already in LD_LIBRARY_PATH? usually that's /usr/lib;/usr/local/lib isn't it?
[13:35] <pksato> put this path on /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf (or /etc/ld.so.conf) and run ldconfig.
[13:35] <retrosenator> you can copy files to /usr/lib
[13:35] <retrosenator> heh
[13:35] <retrosenator> that's bette
[13:35] <Datalink> avrdude, pksato's method would be best
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[13:37] <spm_draget> I am trying to install https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/ - did anyone else try this recently? The installer keeps failing to download anything http://dpaste.com/0VQ3GEA … it odes get a valid IP via dhcp that can connect to the internet.
[13:38] <spm_draget> I tried chagning the mirror in install-config.txt. The log shows that it does read the install-config.txt, and yet the result is the same.
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[13:40] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm how do you link to a specific post on the forums?
[13:41] <Sonny_Jim> anyway, here's a way to do it:
[13:41] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=16897
[13:41] <Sonny_Jim> Also have a look here for a script to setup the pins on boot:
[13:41] <Sonny_Jim> https://dissectionbydavid.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/raspberry-pi-using-gpio-wiringpi-without-root-sudo-access/
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[14:08] <keyvin> does the raspi 2 run mos 65xx based emulators well?
[14:09] <keyvin> I have a beagle bone black
[14:09] <keyvin> and it can not run vice full screen
[14:09] <keyvin> I do not know if that is the processor or the gfx
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[14:11] <Sonny_Jim> Which system are you trying to emulate?
[14:11] <keyvin> apple 2 and c64. I compiled linapple 2 and vice for the bbb and it could not run vice at full speed
[14:11] <keyvin> it had dips with linapple
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[14:12] <Sonny_Jim> C64 should run fine on a Pi1
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[14:13] <Datalink> I tend to use Frodo for my C64 needs, the lil hairy footed EMU's been on iOS... it's that prolific
[14:14] <keyvin> Datalink: does it emulate the sounds the drive made :)?
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[14:15] <Datalink> keyvin, sadly no, I don't know of any that acutally recreate sound, most just play a prerecorded audio file
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[14:22] <andypugh> ali1234: shiftplusone: Sorry for wasting your time yesterday. I have realised that the problem was that the git archive was physically on my Mac. And (despite being BSD-based) OSX is case-insensitive (but case-preserving). As some Linux kernel files are distinguished by capitalisation, this means that some files go missing.
[14:23] <shiftplusone> heh.... fun.
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[14:23] <andypugh> A surprise, certainly.
[14:24] <andypugh> I built a base 3.18.9 kernel that worked last night, and the RT-PREEMPT compile is looking good. However reports are that RT_PREEMPT locks up on the Pi2. Time will tell.
[14:25] <Datalink> andypugh, there's a way to set OSX's filesystem to be case sensitive but that requires it to be done at filesystem creation
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[14:26] <andypugh> I created a case-sensitive “partition”
[14:26] <andypugh> (It’s actually a disk image file loaded at boot, and shared, but it acts a lot like a partition)
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[14:28] <andypugh> I haven’t re-created my file system since I had a 68040 Mac. The same structure has been migrated 68040 / PowerPC 603e, Powermac G4, Intel Core2 Duo. There are some files that (shockingly) won’t run any more as Intel Macs don’t support Motorola code any more :-)
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[14:31] <andypugh> My feeling is that a Windows system that had been through that many OS and hardware upgrades would be in trouble. And I am not claiming that it wouldn’t be an _excellent_ idea to wipe the Mac and start again.
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[14:32] <andypugh> Anyway, back to work. Thanks for trying to help the hopeless shiftplusone
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[14:33] <avrdude> i am running this script: http://pastebin.com/3TTGA8N7 but after it has finished, DISPLAY and LD_LIBRARY_PATH are not set
[14:33] <avrdude> why?
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[14:36] <HtheB> I want to start a bootvideo while the RPi boots, but I get an error message: waiting for dbus address to appear
[14:36] <HtheB> it seems that loading the video later, will work, but how can I get the boot video earlier without that error message?
[14:37] <Datalink> joy, snappy's broken on this ubuntu image... ugh
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[14:38] <kisak> Does anyone know if there is a ~get current vram usage~ command?
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[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> avrdude: Did you look at those links I posted?
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[14:54] <nbjoerg> I have four rpi2s, one of them is acting up. until 15min ago, it would reset with a screw in the hole next to the micro usb, when I lightly tabbed the board on the other side. now it doesn't boot at all. red + green led solid, switching sd card to one which successfully works in the other boards doesn't help
[14:54] <nbjoerg> any idea?
[14:58] <ShorTie> metal screws ??
[14:58] <nbjoerg> yes
[14:58] <Sonny_Jim> Cracked the board
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[14:59] <Sonny_Jim> The holes are there for plastic risers, not metal screws
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[14:59] <ShorTie> you didn't say what they are screwed into, but you sure it is not grounding out something ??
[14:59] <IT_Sean> im with Sonny_Jim. Sounds like you cracked the board.
[14:59] <nbjoerg> ShorTie: that would be a production bug too
[15:00] <nbjoerg> Sonny_Jim: no force applied, really
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> Metal screws - fixed lightly with a small screwdriver should be just fine
[15:00] <IT_Sean> those holes are not for screwing down with. they are for using board risers.
[15:00] <SpeedEvil> With an impact-wrench - no
[15:00] <ShorTie> no, those are actually tooling holes, not mounting holes
[15:00] * SpeedEvil needs to check.
[15:00] <IT_Sean> I'm betting one of whatever his local curency is that he cracked the board.
[15:00] <ShorTie> although people use them for mounting, it is not there porpuse
[15:00] <Hix> speaking of risers to fit the pi, anyone got an links?
[15:00] <nbjoerg> only used four threaded rods
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[15:01] <nbjoerg> to stick two of them above each other with enough space between
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[15:03] <nbjoerg> all resulting forces are by manual screwing, which is clearly not supposed to crack the board if it isn't already
[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> You aren't supposed to use those holes for... never mind
[15:03] * ShorTie snickers
[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> Just warranty it and pretend it was like that out of the bo
[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> *box
[15:04] <nbjoerg> yeah, thought so
[15:04] <ShorTie> 1 circular scratch reviels all
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[15:05] <nbjoerg> ShorTie: no scratch at all
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, but the likelihood of whoever is reponsible for the RMA is just going to send a new one without even looking at it
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[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> In future, use plastic risers
[15:06] <Sonny_Jim> The metal hex post things are for serial ports and the like, not for mounting things
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[15:06] <nbjoerg> not using m3
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[15:08] <nbjoerg> *that* would clearly require a lot of force
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[15:10] <Sonny_Jim> Just.... Don't use metal screws, m'kay?
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[15:13] <nbjoerg> that said: wtf should I derive that from?
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[15:13] <giddles> hey ppl
[15:14] <giddles> how to get RASPBMC to my pie
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[15:14] <giddles> unzip and copy to sd?
[15:14] <ahop> Is it possible to Switch on Switch Off a 220V / 110V power plug with a Pi?
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[15:14] <nbjoerg> ahop: ATX?
[15:15] <ahop> with GPIO or USB, can I connect Pi to a plug
[15:15] <giddles> thanks for support ;)
[15:15] <giddles> very nice
[15:15] <nbjoerg> ahop: you can control a relay with GPIO, that's easy
[15:15] <ahop> nbjoerg: I want to connect Pi to a "heating" (with electricity)
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[15:16] <ahop> I would like that a python script on Pi can start or stop a heating (220 or 110V USA)
[15:16] <nbjoerg> ahop: but be *very* careful if you have to control 100V+ AC with a relay for the obvious health issues
[15:16] <ahop> nbjoerg: yes sure
[15:16] <pksato> ahop: yes, is possible. use a relay.
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[15:16] <ahop> but is there ready-to-use / clean / not-dangerous way to do it?
[15:16] <ahop> ie instead of doing my own relay
[15:16] <Armand> "Ahh!! A little black box that goes 'FIZZT!'"
[15:17] <pksato> and a contactor for heavy load.
[15:17] <giddles> nice that you want such dangerous shit run by something youself dont knew ;D
[15:17] <ahop> like this : http://uploads.gedimat.fr/PHOTO1/0000021/petit_255878.jpg
[15:17] <ahop> I want to start/stop this with PI : http://uploads.gedimat.fr/PHOTO1/0000021/petit_255878.jpg (this is a standard french plug)
[15:17] <nbjoerg> ahop: there are premade relay cards for 230V
[15:18] <giddles> wait
[15:18] <giddles> raspbmc not for pi2?
[15:18] <nbjoerg> but they still require connectiong properly :)
[15:18] <ahop> ok :)
[15:18] <ahop> what's the most common one?
[15:18] <giddles> can someone help me out?
[15:18] <pksato> ahop: looking a plug and use solution? no wires do solder?
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[15:18] <nbjoerg> I use the low voltage version from Conrad, 8 relays controlled by RS232 / USB
[15:19] <giddles> deutsche
[15:19] <nbjoerg> don't know a single relay version off hand
[15:19] <ahop> Isn't there a ready to use version
[15:19] <ahop> GPIO <-- connector --> 220V plug
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[15:19] <ahop> without requiring soldering
[15:19] <giddles> ich hab großes unverständnis ;) kein openelec raspbmc oder ein anderes mediencenter für den rpi b2?
[15:20] <ahop> (it's not for me , it's for an older person ;) )
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[15:20] <ahop> nbjoerg what's the relay name?
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[15:20] <nbjoerg> ahop: http://www.conrad.biz/ce/de/product/197730/Conrad-8fach-Relaiskarte-230-VAC-16-A-Baustein-8-Relaisausgaenge?queryFromSuggest=true
[15:20] <mgottschlag> ahop: those USB ones require you to solder one transistor to them, I don't know anything more simple
[15:21] <nbjoerg> (not sure if they have a english version)
[15:21] <mgottschlag> those should be rather common
[15:22] <ahop> und ein nur-eins-relay version ?
[15:22] <ahop> gibt es ein single-plug relay ? (cheaper)
[15:22] <mgottschlag> there also are USB controlled power strips
[15:22] <nbjoerg> sorry, didn't search for one as my use case required multiple channels :)
[15:22] <ahop> mgottschlag oh usb would be even better
[15:23] <mgottschlag> well, not intelligent usb, just switches on when there are 5V at the usb port
[15:24] <mgottschlag> ahop: I have http://www.amazon.de/reVolt-Automatische-USB-gesteuerte-Steckdosenleiste-weiss/dp/B005X4IW3A/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&qid=1426861425&sr=8-23&keywords=usb+mehrfachsteckdose in mind
[15:24] <pksato> but, connecting a relay module to RPi is simple (if is designed to rpi).
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[15:25] <mgottschlag> requires working with 230V though, which is potentially dangerous :)
[15:25] <pksato> little more complicated that replacing wall ligth switch.
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[15:26] <giddles> ich versuchs nochmal, es hat ja keinen sinn böshaft zu werden. ich leses es gibt openelec oder raspbmc für den pi2 24h nach dem release. auf der raspberry downloadseite finde ich nur die versionen für den pi 1
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[15:26] <mgottschlag> yeah, I wouldn't suggest doing that to anybody either who doesn't very well know what they are doing :)
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[15:27] <mgottschlag> I mean, yes, it is simple, but mistakes are a bit too dangerous
[15:27] <giddles> of cause...
[15:27] <mgottschlag> bbl, learning for exams
[15:27] <giddles> not nice recommend ;)
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[15:28] <mgottschlag> giddles: sorry, didn't mean you.
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[15:28] <pksato> http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-relay/
[15:29] <giddles> i also meant ahop
[15:29] <mgottschlag> you maybe could try copying the boot partition contents from a distro for the pi2
[15:29] <giddles> 220v aint funny
[15:29] <giddles> i got some serious understanding problem
[15:29] <giddles> is openelec/raspbmc.. etc the os?
[15:29] <Armand> 240v is FUN! \o/
[15:29] * Armand twitches
[15:30] * IT_Sean applies 240vAC to Armand
[15:30] <nbjoerg> oh, the 240V doesn't kill people
[15:30] * Armand smoulders and giggles
[15:30] <giddles> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp97GjuULX8
[15:30] <nbjoerg> it is the current that does!
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[15:31] <ahop> mgottschlag with this : http://www.amazon.de/reVolt-Automatische-USB-gesteuerte-Steckdosenleiste-weiss/dp/B005X4IW3A/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&qid=1426861425&sr=8-23&keywords=usb+mehrfachsteckdose
[15:31] <pksato> read red lines on my previous link
[15:31] <ahop> we can switch on / switch off with USB ?
[15:31] * Armand disappears in a puff of smoke!
[15:31] <IT_Sean> whelp... my work here is done
[15:31] * IT_Sean wanders off
[15:31] <giddles> that looks munch nicer than a relay and open cable :)
[15:31] <ahop> example I plug this to heating system : http://www.amazon.de/reVolt-Automatische-USB-gesteuerte-Steckdosenleiste-weiss/dp/B005X4IW3A/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&qid=1426861425&sr=8-23&keywords=usb+mehrfachsteckdose
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[15:31] <mgottschlag> ahop: yes, it switches on as soon as 5V is applied to USB
[15:32] <ahop> ohh that way ?
[15:32] <ahop> I thought there was an API
[15:32] <mgottschlag> yeah, nothing intelligent
[15:32] <ahop> so in order to start/stop
[15:32] <mgottschlag> but soldering on 5V is safer than on 230V :)
[15:32] <ahop> we would need to ask RPi to switch off a 5V USB
[15:33] <ahop> and then when needed the RPi should be able to switch the 5V USB on again
[15:33] <ahop> basically switching would be made with "send 5V to USB" or "don't send 5V to USB"
[15:33] <mgottschlag> yeah, you'd need a 5V socket and likely need to solder a transistor inbetween
[15:33] <mgottschlag> eh, USB socket
[15:33] <mgottschlag> bbl
[15:33] <ahop> I would really require a solderless solution
[15:33] <Armand> I've got a nice supply switch for my solar plant.. Turns on the AC transformer if the batteries are low.
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[15:34] <Armand> I doubt the design would help in your case though..
[15:34] <Armand> I'm no EE, so.. Dunno. :P
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[15:35] <pksato> no solder, only screw http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-relay/
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[15:37] <IT_Sean> ahop: learn to solder.
[15:37] <Hix> if i run "git clone https://github.com/roberttidey/RPi_Cam_Web_Interface.git" and then CD to the relevant directory and run install.sh install shouldn't ti update the code? Or do I need something else other than "git clone"
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[15:38] <McBride36> git pull should update it
[15:38] <McBride36> but i'm no git expert
[15:42] <Sonny_Jim> git pull
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[15:44] <Hix> cool will try thanks
[15:44] <ahop> IT_Sean I know to solder
[15:44] <ahop> I soldered many projects including a 500+ parts x0xb0x kit so I do know ;)
[15:44] <ahop> it's not for me
[15:44] <ahop> that's why I was looking for a solution that works withotu soldering
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> You soldered a XoXbox but are too scared to solder a simple relay?
[15:45] <ahop> once again, it's not for me
[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> I call shenanigans
[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> Did it work?
[15:45] <ahop> it's for family, they are 600 kms from here, and nearly 60 y o
[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> Oh I see
[15:46] <IT_Sean> so... solder it for them, then ship it.
[15:46] <Sonny_Jim> When you say "It's not for me", you mean "It's for someone else", not "Soldering isn't for me"
[15:46] <ahop> yeahhh ;)
[15:46] <Sonny_Jim> I did wonder....
[15:46] <pksato> even arduinos sans smart relays not need soldering.
[15:46] <ahop> oh yes sorry I misexplained ;)
[15:46] <IT_Sean> being 60 years old does not preclude soldering ability.
[15:46] <pksato> but, need to connect wires.
[15:47] <ahop> IT_Sean she really doesn't want to solder .... ;)
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[15:47] <ahop> I would like to propose her a solution like "Buy a Pi, insert this SD card (i'll ship it to them)", "Plug this readytouse module"
[15:47] <ahop> "Plug your heating system to it"
[15:47] <ahop> and that's it :)
[15:48] <giddles> hm
[15:48] <giddles> thats how i get started on rpi
[15:48] <giddles> :)
[15:48] <giddles> better i forget open elec
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[15:48] <ahop> something else : Is this a standard MIDI socket : http://www.ebay.fr/itm/2Pcs-PCB-Panel-Mount-MIDI-Female-DIN5-DIN-5-Pin-Jack-D501-/370885357000?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item565a7d6dc8
[15:49] <pksato> buy a RPi, make any soldering/wiring and send to.
[15:50] <pksato> mount all on a box with standard wall plug and sockets.
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[15:51] <ahop> yes I might do this
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[15:52] <pksato> and have these IR controlled wall switches, use lirc to emulate IR control code.
[15:52] <pksato> or wire original contoller.
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[15:54] <Bilby> ahop yes, that's a standard midi socket, if you're still wondering <_<
[15:55] <Bilby> pksato developing a new HVAC controller?
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[15:56] <ahop> Bilby thanks :) ordered!
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[15:58] <Bilby> haha welcome ahop. good luck with your project :)
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[16:01] <Hix> is sudo rpi-update ok on ssh terminal? Or do I need to screen it?
[16:02] <hamrove> always works out for me over ssh, personally
[16:02] <SindaFi> It's fine in terminal
[16:03] <Hix> it seemed to bomb out a few mins ago
[16:03] <Hix> seems to be working now though, fingers crossed
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[16:04] <pksato> except for control commands or direct access to hw, local console and remote terminal shell access not have a difference.
[16:05] <avrdude> jesus christ
[16:05] <avrdude> loads of people have logged onto my raspbeery
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[16:06] <Bilby> lol
[16:06] <Bilby> public server? gotta lock that down bro
[16:06] <Bilby> / bre
[16:07] <TheLostAdmin> I was thinking of intentionally setting up a public login server on a raspberry Pi.
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[16:08] <Bilby> I have 80 and 443 exposed to the public on my pi, been pretty reasonable thus far. i'm not posting the URL anywhere but it's using a public dyndns server
[16:09] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin: why? It would quickly stop working because people like me would break it :p
[16:09] <avrdude> my auth.log file is *full* of IP addresses i dont know, that have successfully logged on as root
[16:09] <Bilby> O_o
[16:09] <Bilby> that's err, not good
[16:10] <avrdude> and i have loads of files in / that i havent put there
[16:10] <avrdude> pls help
[16:10] <Bilby> is your root password "12345"
[16:10] <Sonny_Jim> Ha
[16:10] <avrdude> maybe :(
[16:10] <Sonny_Jim> I've just noticed mine is full of attempts as well
[16:10] <Sonny_Jim> Default password I'm guessing
[16:10] <avrdude> this is seriously not good
[16:10] <Sonny_Jim> Someone must be logging into this channel and scanning
[16:10] <avrdude> christ, i have to wipe it and set up everything from scratch
[16:10] <Sonny_Jim>
[16:11] <Sonny_Jim> Lots from that
[16:11] <Bilby> now you have me worried haha... what's the default log file for that?
[16:11] <Sonny_Jim> /var/log/auth.log
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[16:12] <Sonny_Jim> Can a mod please ban that IP address from ehre?
[16:12] <Sonny_Jim> I'm guessing other people can confirm that address
[16:12] <avrdude> cant find it in my logs
[16:12] <avrdude> is it possible to see exactly what they have done?
[16:12] <avrdude> are there logs of that?
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[16:12] <Sonny_Jim> bash history
[16:13] <Sonny_Jim> But any decent hacker will clean that
[16:13] <avrdude> oh wait, i have tons of "Failed password for root from"
[16:13] <Sonny_Jim>
[16:13] <TheLostAdmin> IT_Sean: to see how long it takes you to break it. I didn't say you would get root.
[16:13] <Bilby> noothing but local logins for me
[16:13] <Sonny_Jim> Is the most recent
[16:14] <Bilby> do you have SSH exposed publicly?
[16:14] <Sonny_Jim> Me? Sure. But I have a reasonably strong password
[16:15] <TheLostAdmin> If ssh is exposed, why would you even allow password based authentication?
[16:15] <Bilby> gotcha. my pi is behind a router / firewall and only has 80 and 443 forwarded, which is probably why i'm not having problems
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[16:15] <avrdude> how do i unexpose ssh?
[16:16] <Bilby> If i needed to access the Pi outside the LAN i'd probably just set up a VPN
[16:16] <kevinsan> so avrdude, were there any successful attempts to log in, or were did they all fail?
[16:16] <Bilby> avrdude do you have a router set up or is the pi on a public IP address?
[16:16] <avrdude> kevinsan: *lots* is succesful logins
[16:16] <avrdude> im surprised my pi is still functioning
[16:16] <kevinsan> out of interest, how weak was your password?
[16:16] <avrdude> pretty weak.
[16:17] * Bilby thinks avrdude's pi has probably been sending spam / viruses out at a prodigious rate
[16:17] <kevinsan> serves you right then :)
[16:17] <kevinsan> edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to prevent root logins - that's a good start
[16:17] <Bilby> if you're going to have SSH set up with a password you should probably not be logging in to root...
[16:17] <avrdude> brb wiping my pi
[16:17] <Bilby> lol
[16:17] <IT_Sean> Sonny_Jim: what do you need banned? and why?
[16:18] <Bilby> One of the few things i really dislike about the Synology DSM is the default 'admin' user. First thing I disable
[16:18] <avrdude> but seriously, how can i stop people from logging in? except a stronger password
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just poking around, but it looks like someone is joining this channel and looking for Pi's with default SSH passwords
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> My /var/log/auth.log is full of connection attempts
[16:18] <avrdude> same
[16:18] <Bilby> you want the highest auth login i have? it's not even my name.
[16:18] <IT_Sean> That's not agsainst the rules, Sonny_Jim.
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim> I'm just trying to work out what nick goes with the IP
[16:18] <IT_Sean> *against.
[16:18] <Sonny_Jim>
[16:18] <IT_Sean> If you run a Pi that's not properly secured, and post the IP in here, that's on you.
[16:18] <kevinsan> use public key authentication, disable root, disable passwords, and run fail2ban to lock out password attempts
[16:18] <atouk> move ssh to an odd port
[16:18] <Bilby> Sonny_Jim TBH it's probably not even related to the channel. They're probably just port-scanning and looking for SSH
[16:19] <Sonny_Jim> I'd be interested to see if anyone else has that IP in their auth.log
[16:19] <McBride36> Sonny_Jim, want me to check mine?
[16:20] <kevinsan> Sonny_Jim, there are thousands of IP addresses that get used to just scan scan scan for open ports
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> These are login attempts
[16:20] <McBride36> oh my
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> hundreds of them from the same IP
[16:20] <muriani> Sonny_Jim: I don't have that one, but I have another from a 103.x subnet
[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> Mar 20 15:01:23 raspberrypi sshd[20497]: Failed password for root from port 55528 ssh2
[16:20] <McBride36> same here
[16:21] <McBride36> none from 112.64*
[16:21] <muriani> right now it's
[16:22] <muriani> china
[16:22] <Bilby> called it
[16:22] <Bilby> you'll never blacklist based on IP unless you blacklist most of asia and eastern europe
[16:22] <Bilby> I've done that before to stop spam on a US-only forum but TBH for this sort of thing fail2ban is the way to go
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[16:23] <muriani> I shold just close ssh from the outside
[16:23] <muriani> it's just a backup incase my vpn quits working
[16:24] <McBride36> nothing wrong with blacklisting all of china
[16:25] * IT_Sean is totally okay with blacklisting china nad eastern europe
[16:25] <Bilby> lol
[16:25] <kevinsan> McBride36, yes there is - that's not the spirit of the internet. Rogues are everywhere
[16:26] * Bilby does do that for a lot of clients...
[16:26] <kevinsan> I got scanned recently, one check from Germany, followed by a check from Russie, followed by full scan from Israel
[16:26] <McBride36> i mean, honestly, if they want into my pi, the worst they'll find are my irc bots
[16:26] <Bilby> kevinsan but when 80-90% of spam / attacks come from one geolocation, it's pretty obviously a good idea
[16:26] <Bilby> * and you should not have any valid connections from there
[16:26] <muriani> okiedoke, fail2ban is running
[16:27] <muriani> Fortunately this is on my VPS, not my pi
[16:27] <Bilby> obviously if you're running chinesepeoplepleasecometouramerica.com you shouldn't blacklist asia
[16:28] * IT_Sean blacklists all of asia
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[16:29] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, there is a way for freenode to mask the IP address of the IRC client you are using?
[16:30] * Bilby calls China
[16:30] <Bilby> I've blacklisted you!
[16:30] <kevinsan> Bilby, spam and attacks are quite separate (I don't know actual numbers myself, do you?) - but in any case, 100% of spam and attacks could be coming from 1% of the Asian IP ranges.
[16:30] <Bilby> ... you heard me, all the tea...
[16:30] <Bilby> kevinsan true - the first time I ran into it was spam enrollments on a forum board
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[16:31] <McBride36> Sonny_Jim, yeah cloaks
[16:31] <thevdude> tell me more about connection attempts it sounds like juicy drama
[16:31] <McBride36> do a whois on me
[16:31] <kevinsan> I tried it myself about five years ago, didn't make any noticable difference as I recall
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[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I suppose avrdudes little predicament has taught me: 1. Secure SSH properly and 2. Monitor login attempts
[16:33] <Bilby> The amount it affects depends on what you're doing it on. SSH and other system takeover attacks it doesn't seem to reduce as much as things like email spam, spam enrollments, that sort of thing
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[16:33] <Bilby> 3. Don't hire avrdude as your infosec admin
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[16:34] <kevinsan> thevdude, it's rarely juicy. Just bots that scan for open ports, then pass the results around to other bots that scan for known vulnerabilities.
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> Hah
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> Well, he was trying to force startx to run as root earlier, due to wiringPi
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> So yeah
[16:35] <thevdude> running startx as root sounds not ideal
[16:35] <thevdude> i mean at least gparted wouldn't complain about not being run as root anymore
[16:36] <IT_Sean> this LCD is still blurry as fuck
[16:36] * IT_Sean think it might have to not survive the move.
[16:37] <Bilby> IT_Sean, language
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[16:37] <McBride36> tsk tsk
[16:37] <Bilby> :P
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[16:38] <IT_Sean> ooooooooooooh damn. Wrong channel.
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Sorry everyone!
[16:38] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[16:38] * IT_Sean was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[16:38] <kevinsan> Hmmm, my six year old son has just asked what that word was...
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> Japanese for "Cool"
[16:39] <kevinsan> "Daddy, what does startx mean?"
[16:39] <thevdude> tell him it's the first part of the best color, fuschia
[16:39] <thevdude> or they meant to do a fsck
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[16:39] <kevinsan> it's what you are when fsck doesn't work
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[16:40] <IT_Sean> easy there, kevinsan.
[16:40] <Sonny_Jim> I'm so glad we don't finger each other anymore
[16:40] <turtlemansam> nocontext
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[16:40] <kisak> IT_Sean: is that the kind of model you want to be to other mods? kick on a first offense, no warnings?
[16:40] <IT_Sean> I warend myself!
[16:40] <Armand> Hahahaa
[16:41] <IT_Sean> I said "Sean, that's not okay" out loud before i kicked myself.
[16:41] <McBride36> look, LCD screens are definitely something to swear about
[16:41] <Bilby> IT_Sean lol... hubris is a ... loving mother.
[16:41] <IT_Sean> Esp. blurry as heck ones!
[16:41] <Bilby> how are you driving it?
[16:42] <IT_Sean> VGA. But it's been fine up 'till a few days ago.
[16:42] <kevinsan> IT_Sean, are you telling me off for referring to fsck?
[16:42] <McBride36> oh it's not one of those dinky 16x2 ones?
[16:42] <IT_Sean> And i've swapped sources, cables, etc.... It's defo the LCD.
[16:42] <IT_Sean> And no, it's a 19" one, in my office. Connected to my laptop.
[16:43] <IT_Sean> an actual, normal, display.
[16:43] <McBride36> updated drivers?
[16:43] <IT_Sean> Nope.
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[16:44] <IT_Sean> Tried multiple sources and cables. It's defo the LCD.
[16:44] <McBride36> maybe it's just warning you it is no longer satisfied working for you
[16:44] <Bilby> bummer :( sounds like the controller is toast
[16:44] <McBride36> controllers are cheap though
[16:45] <IT_Sean> Is the one on the right, here: http://i.imgur.com/leOkxpS.jpg
[16:45] * IT_Sean 'll requisition a new one
[16:46] <kevinsan> cool desk. surprisingly tidy. are you one of those management sorts?
[16:46] <IT_Sean> I am not a management drone, no.
[16:46] <Bilby> ah, cubicle heck. at least you have a full-height one
[16:46] <IT_Sean> And my new office is going to be even awesomer! WOO!
[16:46] <IT_Sean> Bilby: I'll have a proper office in a few weeks.
[16:46] <McBride36> i don't even work at my cube
[16:47] <avrdude> <Bilby> 3. Don't hire avrdude as your infosec admin
[16:47] <avrdude> rude ;_;
[16:47] <Bilby> says the guy giving out his root password to china
[16:47] <Bilby> :P
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[16:47] <IT_Sean> LOL
[16:48] <avrdude> i didnt give it to them, they just figured it out
[16:48] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't raspbian not set a root password by default?
[16:48] <Sonny_Jim> ie Only su/sudo, not straight root logins
[16:48] <McBride36> yeah but you have pi/raspberry
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[16:48] <avrdude> i set it to 12345 manually
[16:48] <McBride36> .... you used that as your password
[16:48] <Sonny_Jim> That's the same combination of my luggage!
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[16:49] <IT_Sean> +1 point for the Spaceballs reference
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[16:49] <Bilby> love you people <3
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> BTW according to Symnatec, 12345 is the 6th most used password on SSH brute force attempts
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/analyzing-malicious-ssh-login-attempts
[16:51] <Bilby> IT_Sean at my day job if i'm in the office I have a half-height cube to work in, ugh. Thankfully I telecommute 95% of the time from my home office
[16:51] <Bilby> Sonny_Jim why anyone uses anything besides long random strings is beyond me
[16:52] <Bilby> you need maybe 3 really good passwords for things you log into daily. everything else should be in a good password keeper
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[16:53] <IT_Sean> Bilby: I'm in here 5 days a week
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[16:55] <Ballkenende> McBride36, pls
[16:56] <Sonny_Jim> A company I used to work for used the same password across all their systems (barring routers) and the password was the company name, but with e changed to 3 and O changed to zero
[16:56] <OffensiveUser> Password secure
[16:56] <Sonny_Jim> I've found it in pastebin password dumps before
[16:57] <Bilby> hah, nice. sounds secure
[16:57] <Sonny_Jim> And the company name isn't a dictionary word, so they've obviously been rooted at some point
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[16:57] <Bilby> Every time i take over a new client and get logins for servers and the like, it's time to wince and groan
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[16:58] <Bilby> one had every single system set to the same password - the name of the company with two numbers at the end
[16:58] <Bilby> that was servers, firewalls, routers, user accounts, everything
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[17:01] <McBride36> why are there so many login attempts on "paul"
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[17:03] <kevinsan> Bilby, what's a half-height cube? is it low ceilings or low partitions?
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[17:05] <Bilby> low partitions
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[17:05] <Bilby> only ~ 12 inches above the desk
[17:05] <Bilby> so at about waist height when you're standing
[17:05] <kevinsan> i guess that was the workload given to that particular bot
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> Stupid BT
[17:07] <kevinsan> more sociable than a full cubicle then, thought that would be better
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> Their hub intecepts all traffic on port 7070
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> so "telnet any_random_up_address 7070" will always connect
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[17:11] <Bilby> kevinsan if i need to be sociable... I don't. mainly i need quiet
[17:11] <McBride36> i've got that, perks of wearing a hearing aid
[17:11] <McBride36> i get my quiet zone wherever i go
[17:11] <Bilby> it's like the illigetimate offspring of cubicles and the "open office" tragedy
[17:11] <Bilby> haha
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[17:12] <Bilby> that's what my Deaf / hoh friends say too
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[17:53] <Vahan> hellos, looking for some help hooking up to the new device event on /sys/bus/1w/devices
[17:54] <Vahan> is there a better method than the good old inotify on the sysfs?
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[18:55] <devslash> whats the correct syntax to have a service start up at boot?
[18:56] <devslash> i did update-rc.d nginx defaults
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[18:57] <devslash> is anyone here ?
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[18:59] <OffensiveUser> yes hi
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[19:00] <OffensiveUser> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/8734/execute-script-on-start-up
[19:01] <OffensiveUser> update-rc.d /etc/init.d/<your script> defaults
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[19:01] <devslash> when I do that i get a warning: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `nginx' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5). insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `nginx' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
[19:02] <devslash> is that something to be concerned about ?
[19:02] <Sonny_Jim> Just means the provided script is a bit old
[19:02] <Sonny_Jim> or coded poorly
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[19:02] <devslash> because after I ran update-rc.d and rebooted, the service didnt autostart
[19:03] <devslash> but it does work if I start it manually
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[19:03] <Sonny_Jim> warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty)
[19:03] <Sonny_Jim> That's a bit of a hint
[19:03] <devslash> what do I do about that
[19:04] <Sonny_Jim> what does service nginx status say?
[19:04] <devslash> its not running
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[19:05] <Sonny_Jim> It's stopped?
[19:05] <devslash> yes
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[19:07] <day> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQQhibVx5eE
[19:07] <day> blub ba blub <3
[19:07] <day> !score
[19:08] <day> ups wrong channel :P
[19:08] <Sonny_Jim> ha
[19:08] <Sonny_Jim> Did you follow these instructions?
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[19:08] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/RPi_Nginx_Webserver
[19:09] <devslash> yes
[19:09] <devslash> Nginx works fine it just doesnt autostart at boot
[19:09] <Sonny_Jim> Where did you get nginx from, apt-get?
[19:09] <devslash> yes
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[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> Did you install it via Nginx.org Debian Package?
[19:11] <devslash> yes
[19:11] <devslash> whatever repo apt-get pulls from
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[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, I would uninstall it and install it from the proper raspbian repository
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[19:11] <devslash> i did
[19:12] <Sonny_Jim> Oh, you've probably broken it then
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[19:12] <devslash> I dont think so it works great
[19:12] <Sonny_Jim> I would follow the instructions at the bottom to clean it out properly
[19:13] <devslash> that wouldnt be a good idea
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[19:13] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so fix the init.d script
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[19:13] <devslash> i dunno whats wrong with it
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[19:13] <devslash> looks ok from what I can tell
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[19:14] <Sonny_Jim> Rather than "defaults" I would specify which run levels you want it to start at
[19:14] <devslash> ok ill try that
[19:16] <devslash> can I specify multiple run levels like update-rc.d nginx 2,3,4,5
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[19:17] <Sonny_Jim> Considering nginx will need the network to be up, you'll probably only want certain runlevels
[19:17] <devslash> can I specify multiple run levels like update-rc.d nginx defaults 2
[19:18] <devslash> like that ?
[19:19] <devslash> its still not working
[19:19] <devslash> not auto starting
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[19:32] <BobFrankly> anyone seen any ways to connect ps2 to rpi2?
[19:33] <andypugh> Which PS2?
[19:33] <BobFrankly> and ps2 -> usb is straight out
[19:33] <andypugh> (Or am I showing my age?)
[19:33] <BobFrankly> ps2 port
[19:33] <BobFrankly> not the console
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[19:34] <andypugh> Does the Pi have SPI? http://www.microchip.com/forums/m571986.aspx
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Not without an active adapter
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[19:35] <andypugh> I find myself wondering “why?”
[19:35] <BobFrankly> arcade style keyboard encoder
[19:36] <BobFrankly> and the "active adaptors" tend to limit syncronous keystrokes
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[19:37] <andypugh> One button per GPIO would avoid clashes completely.
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[19:38] <BobFrankly> 27 inputs.... guess I need to look deeper at the gpio to see if I can make that work
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[19:39] <andypugh> You can get more with matrix wiring, but then you have clash problems.
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[19:40] <BobFrankly> that's typically the reasoning for encoders, avoid the clashes entirely
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[19:40] <BobFrankly> thought I'd see if anyone already did the legworks ;P
[19:40] <andypugh> Probably heresy to suggest this here, but the Beagle Bone has lots of IO if the Pi is short. But it also has rather poor video.
[19:41] <andypugh> There might be parallel to serial SPI chips that would let you connect an arbitrary (ish) number of buttons.
[19:42] <IT_Sean> HERETIC!
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[19:42] <BobFrankly> haha, I already bought the rpi2, so I'd rather bang my head against that wall
[19:42] <devslash> are any of you runnning kodi on the RPI2?
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[19:43] <devslash> I dont get it. I cannot get nginx to start up at boot
[19:44] <BobFrankly> hmmmmm http://direct.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=69809
[19:44] <BobFrankly> ...more appropriate link https://sites.google.com/site/thepihacker/ps2pi
[19:45] * BobFrankly makes plan to hit radio shack later today
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[19:47] <McBride36> lovely two line script there
[19:47] <muriani> BobFrankly: you still have radio shack?
[19:47] <muriani> Mine here all closed already
[19:47] <BobFrankly> just one
[19:47] <BobFrankly> we had 2
[19:47] <muriani> snagged some decent closing deals though
[19:48] <BobFrankly> nice
[19:48] <BobFrankly> I used to work at radio shack a long time ago
[19:50] <McBride36> back when it actually sold electronic parts?
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[19:50] <andypugh> Woohooo! Linux raspberrypi 3.18.9-rt5-v7+ #5 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Mar 20 17:36:27 UTC 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[19:50] <muriani> hehe
[19:50] <BobFrankly> it was more cellphone oriented when I was there
[19:50] <muriani> It still did, I used to go there to bits when the local ham shop wouldn't have some connector I needed
[19:51] <BobFrankly> radioshack was ran and staffed largely by imbiciles....
[19:51] <muriani> it was easier to find some things at the shack than it was at Fry's
[19:51] <muriani> agreed
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[19:51] <ali1234> BobFrankly: you can bitbang ps/2
[19:51] <BobFrankly> bitbang?
[19:51] <ali1234> you will probably need a level converter though
[19:52] <ali1234> yes as in turn on and off the pins in software
[19:52] <ali1234> it only runs at like khz and the host can stretch the clock if it wants anyway, iirc
[19:52] <ali1234> the keyboard is basically just a dumb shift register
[19:53] <BobFrankly> ....so it's a radioshack employee?
[19:53] <BobFrankly> sry, couldn't resist
[19:53] <ali1234> radioshack was called tandy here and they went bust years ago
[19:53] <ali1234> now we have maplin instead
[19:54] <ali1234> BobFrankly: do you want to connect a keyboard or mouse?
[19:54] <BobFrankly> keyboard encoder
[19:54] <ali1234> you just want to control a big button matrix>
[19:55] <ali1234> ?
[19:55] <devslash> does anyone know why raspbian refuses to auto start a service
[19:55] <BobFrankly> this thing: http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=303
[19:56] <ali1234> meh, i'd just get an i2c keyboard controller instead
[19:57] <BobFrankly> link to an example?
[19:58] <ali1234> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/L1091pc-MPR121-Breakout-V12-Capacitive-Touch-Sensor-Controller-Module-I2C-Keyboard/1949917766.html
[19:58] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-MPR121-Breakout-V12-Capacitive-Touch-Sensor-Controller-Module-I2C-Keyboard-/310985309388
[19:59] <ali1234> something like that
[19:59] <ali1234> they usually have a configurable address which means you can connect like 10 of them to the same bus
[19:59] <ali1234> wait that's capacitive, you don't want that
[20:00] <andypugh> BobFrankly: Hmm, that reminds me of another possibility: http://www.poscope.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_70
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[20:01] <BobFrankly> ...shoulda just bought the ipac :/
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[20:02] <andypugh> Well, 27 IO points is probably enough. You only have 20 fingers and toes after all :-)
[20:02] <BobFrankly> 2 players :D
[20:02] <McBride36> still only 20
[20:02] <andypugh> (Sorry, that was in unwarranted assumption, and I apologise if you are deficient in limbs or over-specified in digits)
[20:03] <McBride36> i have an above average number of limbs!
[20:03] <andypugh> Ha! I have more than the average number of noses!
[20:03] <ali1234> street fighter 2 - UDLR, 3x kick, 3x punch, start = 11 buttons per player
[20:03] <McBride36> that is 22
[20:03] <devslash> anyone using XBMC/Kodi on the newest RPI ?
[20:04] <ali1234> you can do it with two 16 way gpio expanders
[20:04] <BobFrankly> 2x select, emulator pause, state save, and exit
[20:05] <ali1234> although spi and shift registers might be faster
[20:05] <BobFrankly> but only 20 need to be non-matrix/un-clashable
[20:05] <ali1234> with i2c gpio expanders there is no matrix, every line is completely independant
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[20:05] <BobFrankly> and key latency is a factor
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[20:07] <ali1234> i2c operates at 400khz and you are looking at 4 bytes per 16 bit chip to read it
[20:07] <ali1234> so 8 * 16 * 1 / 400000 or 0.32 msec to read inputs
[20:08] <BobFrankly> which shouldn't be really discernable
[20:08] <ali1234> ps/2 operates at 16khz
[20:08] <ali1234> and also sends more data
[20:08] <ali1234> now, one problem is that you won't get events
[20:09] <ali1234> ps/2 sends key up /key down
[20:09] <ali1234> i2c with expanders will just give you a bitmask of which buttons are pressed
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[20:09] <BobFrankly> that....would be an issue
[20:09] <ali1234> you will need to apply hysteresis
[20:10] <ali1234> in the end it is closer to how actual arcade machines work :)
[20:10] <ali1234> well, old ones anyway
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[20:10] <andypugh> For extra realism use monochrome graphics and strips of coloured plastic
[20:11] <BobFrankly> I can finish wood for that plastic look
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[20:14] <ali1234> you can also get i2c "real" keyboard drivers such as this one http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm8330.pdf
[20:14] <ali1234> it can drive a matrix or gpios
[20:16] <ali1234> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=46459 also check this out
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[20:17] <ali1234> http://blog.petrockblock.com/2014/12/29/controlblock-power-switch-and-io-for-the-raspberry-pi/ and this
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[20:21] <Warbird> Hi all. Can anyone recommend a decent wired (or wireless) keyboard that's sturdy and on the smaller side? My cheapo Dynex is crapping out on me.
[20:22] <ali1234> anything logitech
[20:22] <Warbird> Noted. I'll swing by Best Buy later then.
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> So expensive, it doesn't even have labels on the keys
[20:23] <ali1234> if you get wireless, make sure to get the logitech universal
[20:23] <Warbird> I'll keep that in mind, thanks
[20:23] <ali1234> er, "unifying receiver"
[20:24] <ali1234> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418vLA%2BttXL._SX300_.jpg - look for that orange star
[20:25] <Warbird> Thanks!
[20:25] <Warbird> I assume that's an indicator of it using Unix friendly standards or whatever?
[20:26] <ali1234> no, it means you only need one usb receiver for keyboard and mouse, and they are all interchangable
[20:26] <ali1234> you do need an extra piece of software if you have more than one wireless device - it only auto-pairs the first one
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[20:26] <Warbird> I just needed a keyboard, but I'll get them both if they're bundled
[20:27] <ali1234> well with the unifying stuff you can buy a mouse later if you want
[20:27] <Warbird> Gotcha
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[20:28] <ali1234> you could also go bluetooth, but those tend to be more expensive
[20:29] <ali1234> more "standard" though
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[20:29] <Warbird> I'll likely go cheaper. I'd prefer wired since I don't use it often and won't have to deal with batteries.
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[20:56] <andypugh> Sonny_Jim: That keyboard offers “Full N-key rollover” but neglects to mention the value of N. Which seems to make it meaningless
[20:57] <ali1234> it's just the N key
[20:57] <ali1234> but seriously, "n-key rollover" means all the keys
[20:57] <shiftplusone> >_<
[20:57] <McBride36> so
[20:57] <McBride36> if i sit on the keyboard
[20:58] <McBride36> you're tellin' me, just one key is pressed
[20:58] <atouk> so the M key doesn't?
[20:58] <andypugh> ali1234: Surely no matrix-wiring offers 102-key rollover?
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[20:58] <ali1234> andypugh: can do, if you put isolation diodes in it
[20:59] <andypugh> I am pretty sure that’s not the case
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[20:59] <andypugh> (I looked into this when writing a matrix keyboard driver)
[21:00] <ali1234> you have to put a diode on every key, but it does work
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[21:00] <andypugh> Wikipedia agrees with you and not with me.
[21:01] <ali1234> http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/1/11/Matrix_scan_current_flow_with_diodes.svg/733px-Matrix_scan_current_flow_with_diodes.svg.png
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[21:02] <andypugh> OK, so I was wrong. I have to schedule that once a month :-)
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[21:03] <andypugh> ali1234: I have the RT-PREEMPT kernel running now too. And it wasn’t worth the trouble. I see 7.5mS latency when opening a web browser
[21:03] <Sonny_Jim> lol
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[21:03] <ali1234> fun fact: USB HID specifies a protocol for toe switches, but cannot handle NKRO with the regular keyboard spec
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> I don't think you understand how switch matrixes work
[21:04] <ali1234> only 6 keys max in the descriptor
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> You can have an 8x8 matrix and have every key work at the same time
[21:04] <Sonny_Jim> or an NxN
[21:04] <ali1234> yes you can, if you put diodes in it
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[21:04] <ali1234> if you don't put diodes in it you get ghosting
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[21:05] <ali1234> andypugh: "realtime" doesn't mean "fast"
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[21:05] <ali1234> it means certain special processes can preempt the kernel. but most processes are not special
[21:05] <andypugh> I know exactly what “realtime” means, and I was hoping for something around 50uS latency.
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[21:06] <Sonny_Jim> You might get that with a kernel driver
[21:06] <andypugh> Sorry, that came out arrogant and unfriendly.
[21:06] <shiftplusone> what's the latency you're talking about? I haven't seen latency that high when servicing interrupts, for example.
[21:06] <ali1234> thing about videocore is that it can preempt the arm cpu and there's nothing at all you can do about it
[21:06] <Sonny_Jim> I can't see you getting 50uS in userland
[21:06] <andypugh> Folk have reported 50uS with RT-PREEMPT and x86.
[21:07] <Sonny_Jim> In userland apps?
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> oh... userland... nvrm.
[21:07] <andypugh> My other machines are x86, run RTAI (kernel) and do 10uS
[21:07] <ali1234> getting that kind of latency in userland is the whole point of RT
[21:08] <andypugh> I tried Xenomai on the Udoo but never got it ti work. (Which might have been this HFS+ case-insensitivity thing, in retrospect)
[21:09] <dorkmafia> I'm unable to boot up my raspberry pi and I was wondering where I could view the boot logs when I mount the sd card on my laptop (i'm using latest raspbian)
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[21:09] <andypugh> I was hoping to try RT-PREEMPT and RT-NET to drive the Mesa 7i75E (http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=290 )
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[21:10] <ali1234> ethernet? that goes over USB on pi, and USB is not known for it's low latency
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[21:11] <andypugh> Right, another reason to give up now then :-)
[21:11] <andypugh> Thanks for the warning
[21:11] <ali1234> if you want really real time, use an AVR or similar
[21:12] <ali1234> something that doesn't run a full OS and you can count the cycles
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[21:12] <andypugh> Well, that FPGA board does the really real-time high-speed stuff. It just needs to be serviced every 1mS +/- 50uS
[21:13] <ali1234> get something with a command buffer?
[21:13] <andypugh> Command buffers introduce their own problems.
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[21:15] <andypugh> A typical LinuxCNC installation runs kernel-mode real-time with RTAI and often offloads MHz-frequency stuff to an FPGA. We recently tweaked it to use userland threads, and that has proven very usable for x86 and the Ethernet-connected FPGA cards from Mesa. I had this RPi2 lying around, and decided to experiment.
[21:16] <andypugh> So far it is ahaping up to be a failed experiment. But that’s OK.
[21:16] <ali1234> what problems does a command buffer bring for CNC applications?
[21:17] <andypugh> What happens if you abort? How do you unwind the buffer?
[21:17] <ali1234> you send an abort command which is handled immediately
[21:17] <andypugh> How do you synchronise motions between spindle and threading tool without moving _all_ your trajectory planner into the buffer hardware?
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[21:18] <ali1234> you have a "go" command which is broadcast
[21:18] <ali1234> "abort" command is also broadcast
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[21:18] <ali1234> for example, if you put each motor controller on I2C or CAN
[21:19] <ali1234> then you can queue up motion curves into the buffers
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[21:19] <ali1234> ad then broadcast "go"
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[21:19] <ali1234> this is what openservo does (or it was the plan anyway)
[21:19] <andypugh> With threading the Z axis position is slaved to the spindle encoder. That’s hard to buffer as motion primitives, you have to put the whole motion-controller in the buffer-box
[21:20] <ali1234> ah, feedback is necessary?
[21:20] <ali1234> that's always a problem
[21:20] <andypugh> Yes, very much so.
[21:21] <andypugh> Mach3 users tend to use Smoothstepper, but that basically offloads the whole motion planning task. (and Mach3 doesn’t really do feedback to the controller, even threading moves are just sent off at constant speed)
[21:21] <ali1234> threading as in cutting a thread on to a bar, right?
[21:21] <andypugh> Yes.
[21:21] <ali1234> ie making a screw or bolt
[21:23] <andypugh> A neat example here where a chap has stopped hos spindle in the middle of a threading move, then turns the spindle by hand with the motion still synched, then aligns the work to re-cut the thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxXGN2SVrhU
[21:25] <ali1234> i guess i would want to put as much intelligence into the controller as possible for that
[21:26] <andypugh> Typically in LinuxCNC you put _all_ the intelligence in the PC. My miliing machine even commutates the brushless motors in software on the PC>
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[21:28] <ali1234> yeah, i'd put a controller on the machine and put all the software in that
[21:28] <ali1234> and no annoying operating systems to get in the way
[21:30] <ali1234> a small ARM board would probably be good for that. but not the pi, it's just not designed for the task
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[21:30] <andypugh> Well, that is sort-of how it ends up, I have a PC motherboard in amongst all the other boards running a realtime-patched linux. Being able to read G-code off the network is useful, as is being able to display graphics ona screen and handle a keyboard. Then eventually an OS looks like an advantage not a hinderance.
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[21:30] <ali1234> i'd get something without fancy GPUs where i can target the bare metal
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[21:30] <meLon> So, I've put together the problem I was having, as well as what I've done to workaround it: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/28858/issues-with-network-connectivity-with-networkd-on-archlinux
[21:31] <andypugh> The Intel Atom boards work excellently.
[21:31] <ali1234> an operating system looks useful sure, but at the end of the day you can always split out the UI onto a different CPU
[21:31] <kevinsan> does the GPU interfere with the ARM side in terms of timing of a motion controller?
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[21:31] <ali1234> kevinsan: yes, because it preempts the ARM, or so i heard
[21:31] <andypugh> It seems that the Pi doesn’t. There are guys having good results with the BeagleBone. (that has programmable realtime units which can help with step generation, PWM etc).
[21:32] <kevinsan> preempts doing what?
[21:32] <ali1234> kevinsan: "running"
[21:32] <ali1234> kevinsan: when GPU wants to access memory, the ARM cannot. so it just stops.
[21:32] <kevinsan> only for nanoseconds though, surely - does it hog the bus?
[21:33] <ali1234> i don't know the timings but it's enough to cause problems
[21:33] <ali1234> for real time applications anyway
[21:33] <kevinsan> interesting, i always assumed a bare metal (or RT kernel) would have been capable of driving steppers
[21:34] <ali1234> obviously it's not something that causes a problem in normal use that the pi is designed for
[21:34] <andypugh> I am seeing 7.6mS of latency opening a web browser.
[21:34] <ali1234> what about when you're not running X?
[21:35] <ali1234> what if you get two raspberry pis, one for your web browser and one to run the mill?
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[21:35] <andypugh> kevinsan: Yes, you can drive steppers up to a few kHz with bit-banging ports in a realtime thread. But if you want MHz frequency resolution (which is nice to have) then separate signal generation hardware is nice. It isn’t about the step rate, it is the range of possible frequencies.
[21:36] <andypugh> ali1234: I haven’t got that far, but it might work.
[21:36] <andypugh> The web-browser was juat a way to peturb the system to see how it responded.
[21:38] <kevinsan> andypugh, what kernel/distribution are you using for LinuxCNC?
[21:38] <ali1234> web browser is just about the worst possible thing you could do to kill latency
[21:39] <ali1234> they are graphics and memory hogs
[21:39] <andypugh> It used to be Ubuntu, but the latest LiveCD is based on Debian Wheezy.
[21:39] <andypugh> But you can build it on anything you can get to run on a realtime kernel.
[21:39] <kevinsan> so not on a Pi then (sorry, I think I have misunderstood)
[21:39] <andypugh> I am running linuxcnc on Raspbian
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[21:40] <kevinsan> are linux RT threads good enough for that, or is it a modified kernel?
[21:40] <andypugh> (Well, not right now, I am recompiling it at the moment)
[21:41] <andypugh> kevinsan: Generally for software step generation you need an RTAI patched kernel. With external hardware you can get away with Preempt-RT. I don’t think there is an RTAI patch for Arm.
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[21:42] <andypugh> Machinkit (A parallel project) runs on Xenomai on Arm and x86.
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[22:03] <cstk421> anyone know of a guide / tutorial / instructions to do a raspberrypi + LTE / 4g WAN + vpn auto connect on boot to ipsec server ??
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[22:08] <Bilby> cstk421 well, not all of that together :P
[22:08] <cstk421> Bilby: lol
[22:09] <cstk421> Bilby: i actually forgot to add the end goal CONSOLE access via serial for cisco remote access LOL
[22:09] <cstk421> so what limitations out of the requirements are there ?
[22:10] <Bilby> so you want the Raspi to host a VPN served to the internet through mobile data, and interface with a serial port on the local side?
[22:10] <cstk421> you got it
[22:10] <cstk421> im trying to create a disposable mobile console premise device
[22:10] <cstk421> :)
[22:12] <Bilby> Cool. That should be easy
[22:13] <cstk421> yeah ? i dont even know where to start ! im a pi newb
[22:13] <cstk421> im just looking to see how difficult it is before i move on to a NUC
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[22:14] <Bilby> are the cisco management ports proper serial?
[22:14] <ahop> Hi! In a Python code, I have my main thread already busy with something (with a while True: ....)
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> Small problem:
[22:14] <ahop> If I want to detect pushbuttons press with GPIO, should I make a new thread with python's threading ?
[22:14] <Bilby> I have sketches / concepting for a device that would monitor an internet connection and automatically reboot if it drops or isn't working - complete with mobile data reporting :D
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> Getting a static IP with mobile data might be a challenge
[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> But I suppose there's always dyndns and the like
[22:15] <Bilby> eh, that's what... yeah.
[22:15] <cstk421> Bilby: well no its simply a 9600 baud communication via serial port. a serial console cable would be added to the setup
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> Also some mobile data plans don't allow for services to be hosted
[22:15] <Bilby> ahop you could use threading with a callback afaik
[22:16] <Bilby> cstk421 err... so it is just serial. no worries. assuming it's 5v UART, you need a level shifter of some form to talk from the 3.3v UART pins on the GPIO
[22:16] <Bilby> Sonny_Jim not even a VPN? I would imagine those ports aren't blocked if you're paying for data...
[22:17] <cstk421> ah
[22:17] <Bilby> you could always host the server elsewhere and have the Pi persistnantly on as a client
[22:17] <ahop> Ok
[22:17] <ahop> Can I detect push buttons with just momentary buttons ?
[22:17] <ahop> and no resistors, no capacitors, etc.
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> It might have changed recently, I haven't done anything with mobile data other than simple browsing for a while
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> Just some gotchas to watch out for
[22:17] <ahop> or do I need some additional components ?
[22:18] <ahop> I have seen a tutorial with resistors, and one without
[22:18] <Bilby> cstk421 the smart move might be to build with arduino and such and then talk to the world with a pi. that way you can manage several switches
[22:18] <cstk421> why is the arduino a better choice for that ?
[22:19] <Bilby> ahop you should be okay as far as I know, if you're going +3.3V to GPIO set to in
[22:19] <Bilby> cstk421 you can build several and talk to them with one Pi via i2c or softserial
[22:19] <ahop> Here http://raspi.tv/2013/how-to-use-interrupts-with-python-on-the-raspberry-pi-and-rpi-gpio-part-2, just before the schematics
[22:19] <ahop> they say : "o we’ll be setting up port 24 with the built in pulldown resistor enabled. "
[22:20] <cstk421> interesting. definitely a little above my exp level. ill have to keep looking
[22:20] <ahop> what's this "pulldown resistor enabled" ?
[22:20] <Bilby> ahop Pi GPIO pins have a built in pulldown resistor. you enable it when you initialize the pin
[22:20] <Bilby> cstk421 there are other ways to do it, i'm just spitballing
[22:20] <Bilby> you might build one, see if you like it, and then go from there
[22:20] <cstk421> i gotcha i really appreciate
[22:20] <cstk421> it
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[22:21] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
[22:21] <Bilby> welcome, good luck and post it up somewhere if you build it :)
[22:21] <Bilby> Hello, Whirled!
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[22:21] <ahop> Bilby what does it mean "when you initiliaze the pin " ?
[22:21] <Klaus_Dieter> I just added crda to my initramfs and now the kernel is crashing. can someone please help me read the log: http://paste.debian.net/162344/ because I cannot make heads or tails of it
[22:22] <Klaus_Dieter> is this the error? [ 2.137644] Process swapper (pid: 1, stack limit = 0xda44c1b0)
[22:22] <Bilby> ahop when you're using a GPIO pin, you have to initialize it, tell the Pi if it's going to be an input pin or an output pin
[22:23] <Bilby> iirc there's a second optional argument in the python implementation that lets you specify whether to use the pull-down resistor
[22:23] <andypugh> Klaus_Dieter: Isn’t this bad? “ 2.053759] Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address e7fddef0”
[22:24] <Klaus_Dieter> yes it is bad
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[22:24] <Klaus_Dieter> but I cannot see what is trying to request that address
[22:24] <ahop> How to init a pin in Py?
[22:25] <Klaus_Dieter> andypugh: but how do I find the cause?
[22:26] <Bilby> cstk421 I'm looking at some cisco documentation and it looks like the serial port is actually RS-232 which will require some level shifting as well. not impossible, just an extra step
[22:26] <andypugh> Sorry, I have no idea how to solve problems, I just make a lot of broken kernels.
[22:26] <Klaus_Dieter> :-D
[22:26] <Bilby> ahop start here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/gpio/
[22:26] <cstk421> yes found serial to ip servers but need an integrated solutions. but yes i saw it was the rs232
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[22:28] <Bilby> someone was asking about that yesterday, they were doing something that needed rs232. apparently it uses different voltage levels, at least slightly. there are pre-made boards available
[22:29] <Bilby> I would start by getting a switch talking to a RasPi and go from there :)
[22:29] <andypugh> RS232 is 15V I think
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[22:29] <Bilby> -5 to -16 for data 0, 5 to 16 for data 1
[22:29] <Bilby> iirc...
[22:30] <Bilby> which makes it a little like the DMX system for light control
[22:30] <andypugh> Not directly helpful, but I made a batch of RPi GPIO to DB25 boards with bidirectional level conversion to 5V.
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[22:32] <andypugh> There is an almost-magic chip for the job. http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/voltage-translators/0510695/
[22:33] <andypugh> (_not_ suitable for RS232 voltage levels)
[22:33] <Bilby> fancy! bi-directional level conversion?
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[22:33] <Klaus_Dieter> aber sehr spannend
[22:33] <andypugh> Yes. I think it uses pixies
[22:33] <Klaus_Dieter> wenn ich crda wieder entferne von der ramdisk, dann bootet das teil
[22:33] <Klaus_Dieter> ich werd verrückt
[22:33] <Bilby> that was one of the solutions i saw when interfacing an arduino to the ESP8266
[22:34] <Klaus_Dieter> wrong language - sorry. very interesting - when removing crda from the ramdisk, then the device will not crash
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[22:39] <ali1234> what's wrong with just using a max233?
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[22:41] <ali1234> or rather max3232
[22:41] <McBride36> bit off topic, but what amp do you think icould hit if i tied togehter the 3.3v rails off a PSU
[22:42] <cstk421> Bilby: just found this. i know its not pi related but i just talked to them and holy crap it does everything exactly as i asked. 3g or lte + pinout for cisco specifically + vpn dial home on boot
[22:42] <cstk421> Bilby: http://opengear.com/products/acm5000-remote-site-manager
[22:42] <ali1234> there are many such devices
[22:43] <Bilby> cstk421 niiice
[22:44] <cstk421> apparently built on the okvm open kvm concept
[22:44] <cstk421> now gotta figure out how to make one
[22:45] <Bilby> pricing is about where I'm used to seeing that stuff :/
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[22:50] <cstk421> Bilby: yeah i need it at the 100$ price point to make it disposable i dont want to have to retrieve it after
[22:50] <cstk421> even 200$ i could maybe swing
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[23:52] <dorkmafia> I'm unable to boot up my raspberry pi and I was wondering where I could view the boot logs when I mount the sd card on my laptop (i'm using latest raspbian)
[23:53] <Bilby> dorkmafia if you're running linux on your laptop you should be able to, but if it's not booting i don't think there will be boot logs
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