#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-27

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[0:18] <shiftplusone> Bill!
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[0:19] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I think it's a good thing to have, but perhaps there are downsides other than "it's an extra thing installed that only 5% of the people will use"
[0:19] <ali1234> so like wolfram-engine, except 500 times smaller?
[0:20] <shiftplusone> can't help yourself, can you?
[0:20] <ali1234> wouldn't even want to
[0:20] <shiftplusone> uhu
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[0:29] <abnormal> I shiftplusone
[0:29] <abnormal> how you?
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[0:30] <shiftplusone> Hey
[0:31] <shiftplusone> I think you're missing a few words and/or letters, but I'm good. =P
[0:32] <dashed> has anyone used jessie over wheezy?
[0:32] <abnormal> cool, lol the H and i, lol
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[0:34] <shiftplusone> dashed, I've played around with it a little.
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[0:41] <plugwash> shiftplusone, mmm
[0:42] <shiftplusone> ahoy, plugwash
[0:42] <plugwash> when I have talked to eben he seemed to be keen to move towards jessie but not actually getting much done in that direction :/
[0:43] <shiftplusone> sec... PM
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[2:48] <pksato> programing flux, "keep your hair on" http://www.retrocomputaria.com.br/plus/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/Nao-Arranque-os-Cabelos-1024x768.jpg
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[3:13] <Froolap> Congrats, you just won the internet! LOL
[3:14] <abnormal> I won it many moons ago...
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[3:17] <crazy_cletus> i haven't gone without internet in over 12 years and that is only while i was in the military
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[3:27] <abnormal> cool
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[4:02] <Froolad> ..
[4:03] <ApolloJustice> so what do you do when your soldering iron breaks
[4:03] <ApolloJustice> you cry
[4:03] <ApolloJustice> and weep
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[4:06] <abnormal> use matches
[4:07] <Froolad> get a coat hanger and twist it together and heat it up on the stove.
[4:07] <ApolloJustice> Froolad, that's... not a bad idea.
[4:07] <abnormal> yeh that's one way
[4:08] <Froolad> It's not a good way but if you are really desperate it might work.... depending on the job.
[4:08] <abnormal> just so long you know which end is hot..
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[4:09] <ApolloJustice> well i need to fix my headphones like right now, since tomorrow i'm going on a trip, and music is the only thing keeping me sane during flights
[4:09] <ApolloJustice> lol
[4:09] <Froolad> You need mass to hold the heat for any length of time.
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[4:36] <cstk421> anyone know of a 3g usb bridge to ethernet module ?
[4:38] <CoJaBo> a wat
[4:39] <cstk421> a card / module / device whatever that will take a 3g usb dongle and bridge it to an ethernet interface
[4:39] <CoJaBo> an... rpi would do that
[4:40] <peetbog> 3g to wifi bridge then wifi to ethernet. verison mifi hotspot. but they run about $75.00 usd
[4:40] <cstk421> lol yes this i know the whole reason im trying to do this is to deliver a wan connection to the pi via ethernet. I have heard and read nothing bud terrible stability using a 3g dongle or wifi on the pi
[4:41] <plugwash> google "mobile broadband router"
[4:41] <cstk421> peetbog: yeah i considered it but I want a GSM not CDMA as well as something small enough i could put in an enclosure with the pi
[4:41] * plugwash has used an edimax one in the past
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[4:42] <cstk421> plugwash: that edmimax is big
[4:42] <CoJaBo> cstk421: It's actually gonna be hard to find something that isn't larger or more expensive than the pi..
[4:42] <cstk421> CoJaBo: im seeing that
[4:42] <cstk421> i did find this but cant find any docs saying it will pass from 3g usb to the ethernet for a client http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Portable-3G-4G-WiFi-Hotspot-IEEE-802-11b-g-n-150Mbps-USB-Wireless-Router-/111197219140?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e3dee944
[4:43] <cstk421> cheap small and perfect if it does what i want
[4:43] <cstk421> anyone ever seen that ?
[4:43] <peetbog> The mifi has a footprint almost identical to the pi2 with usb output to the pi usb easy.
[4:45] <peetbog> want a photo of the two side by side ?
[4:45] <cstk421> no i know the size of the mifi
[4:45] <cstk421> its still verizon on cdma
[4:46] <cstk421> need to be able to use prepaid sims from GSM providors is the issue
[4:46] <cstk421> with an unlocked device
[4:46] <cstk421> unless the mifi does that and i dont know it
[4:46] <peetbog> mifi does not use a sim
[4:48] <cstk421> there is a verizon jetpack that does lte and HSPA 4g GSM sim support hmmm but no ethernet crap
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[4:50] <peetbog> I am not seeing stability problems yet with the wipi (wifi usb dongle). still checking it out as i have an application where I need rock stability and a 5 mile wifi distance.
[4:50] <mi11k1> is anybody familiar with lirc, its not actually rpi related, but debian.
[4:50] <clever> mi11k1: it works pretty much the same way on every distro
[4:51] <mi11k1> i have it working on rpi, but cant find help for my laptop
[4:51] <clever> mi11k1: to start with, input or output?
[4:51] <mi11k1> input
[4:51] <cstk421> peetbog: i have the wipi running and i had to write a script to keep bringing it down and back up if it doesnt have an internet connection. hope yours works better
[4:51] <mi11k1> clever, i have an old thinkpad
[4:52] <clever> mi11k1: how is the input chip connected to the laptop?
[4:52] <mi11k1> clever, running Jessie
[4:52] <mi11k1> clever, built in
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[4:52] <clever> ah, then youll need to find the right driver for that
[4:52] <clever> likely one of the irda drivers i think
[4:52] <cstk421> peetbog: thats why if i could convert to ethernet then i can guarantee it wont be the wireless on the pi failing
[4:52] <clever> ive only used the blaster built into capture cards, and bare serialport ones
[4:53] <clever> cstk421: i would just get a powered usb hub and plug the 3g stick into the pi
[4:53] <mi11k1> clever, heres my dmesg output, http://pastebin.com/8yN3bjBk
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[4:54] <peetbog> ic I may have to toss a router running dd-wrt into the mix then. old routers are cheap but seldom as small as the pi
[4:54] <cstk421> clever: that was my original plan but every thread i read about that i see the whole "modeswitch" issue going on. That would imply that the connection drops and comes back while modeswitch brings it back.
[4:54] <mi11k1> peetbog, Value village or thrift stores
[4:55] <clever> mi11k1: 0x2f8, that feels special to me, let me see why ...
[4:55] <mi11k1> DDWRT galore
[4:55] <clever> cstk421: which modeswitch??
[4:55] <mi11k1> clever, its assigned to /dev/ttyS1
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[4:56] <clever> mi11k1: thats what i was guessing, you need to tell ttyS1 to release the port before lirc can use it
[4:56] <cstk421> clever: the threads keep referring to "usb_switchmode"
[4:56] <mi11k1> clever, setserial doesnt work though
[4:56] <clever> mi11k1: how exactly does it not work?
[4:56] <mi11k1> i dont have setserial command
[4:56] <cstk421> clever: and apparently the 3g usb dongle's switch between storage and modem mode
[4:57] <clever> cstk421: mine did the exact same thing, it was trivial to mode-switch it
[4:57] <clever> in storage mode, it claims to be a cd drive with drivers on the disk
[4:57] <cstk421> clever: so what happens when it does ?
[4:57] <clever> try ejecting the cd with plain old eject
[4:57] <cstk421> clever: do you lose connectivity ?
[4:57] <clever> it always comes up in storage mode when you first plug it in
[4:57] <clever> you must eject the cd to get it into serialport mode
[4:57] <clever> then you can connect
[4:57] <cstk421> what happens when the pi reboots ?
[4:57] <cstk421> same thing ?
[4:58] <clever> yep
[4:58] <clever> udev can be configured to eject the cd automaticaly
[4:58] <cstk421> ok but it would never happen as long as its not unplugged or rebooted ?
[4:58] <clever> yeah, it only happens if you unplug or reboot
[4:58] <clever> and both of those would kill your connection entirely
[4:58] <cstk421> so i can write a script to eject it on boot and it will never have an issue
[4:58] <clever> yep
[4:58] <clever> i used udev myself
[4:58] <cstk421> funny all of the stuff i have read for days never mentioned that
[4:58] <cstk421> kool
[4:58] <clever> let me see if i still have the rule
[4:58] <cstk421> i ordered 2 of the usb_switchmode
[4:59] <cstk421> crap
[4:59] <cstk421> E173s-6 3G GSM USB
[4:59] <cstk421> thats what i meant i bought
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[4:59] <cstk421> they seem the most compatible from what i have read
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[4:59] <clever> nope, lost the old udev rule, but its easily done
[5:00] <clever> KERNEL=="sd?1", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0930", ATTRS{serial}=="001D92DC4AF9C8C153B703E7", SYMLINK+="blue_2gig", RUN+="/root/stick_insert blue_2gig"
[5:00] <mi11k1> clever, oh its a package
[5:00] <clever> cstk421: it looks something like this
[5:00] <clever> that exact one was for a usb memory stick, but a similar rule will detect the fake cd drive
[5:00] <clever> and can auto-eject the cd
[5:01] <cstk421> gotcha ok thanks
[5:01] <clever> you can then write a second udev rule to detect the serial port
[5:01] <cstk421> not to sound dumb but whats the diff between .sh scripts and udev ?
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[5:01] <clever> which can auto-run the dialup stuff
[5:01] <clever> udev can run things when the device is plugged in
[5:01] <clever> so if you unplug and then replug, it re-runs the scripts
[5:01] <cstk421> ah as in /dev/ttyusb ok that makes sense
[5:02] <cstk421> yes yes perfect makes sense
[5:02] <cstk421> what model usb do you use ?
[5:02] <clever> udev can also change the names that you see in /dev/
[5:02] <clever> i dont remember exactly, and its gone missing
[5:02] <clever> the plan hasnt been active for years
[5:03] <clever> but once you ejected the cd, it turned into a serial port, plain old wvdial+ppp, call up #777 and it gives a link, no name/pw
[5:03] <clever> everything was tied to the radio's unique id on the cell network
[5:03] <cstk421> good stuff kool
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[5:04] <clever> the windows driver pretty much did nothing but hide the fact that its 'plain old dialup' and give you signal levels
[5:04] <clever> under linux, you cant get signal levels, but it otherwise works perfectly
[5:04] <cstk421> interesting
[5:04] <cstk421> so i cant see the quality of signal huh
[5:04] <clever> yeah
[5:05] <clever> i also just remembered another quirk
[5:05] <clever> mine would show up as 4 seperate serial ports, at once
[5:05] <clever> the 1st accepts normal modem commands and then spits out normal PPP packets
[5:05] <clever> the other 3 did nothing
[5:06] <cstk421> and everyone thinks im crazy wanting a device that will hand me ethernet from 3g connection :)
[5:06] <Froolad> oh you are
[5:06] <cstk421> did you see the link to the ebay item i pasted ? that thing would be a godsend if it does what i want
[5:06] <clever> it is a bit of an odd request, most people would just usb it right into the pc
[5:06] <cstk421> nice froolad
[5:06] <Froolad> :)
[5:06] <cstk421> clever: yes but with the pi nothing is normal
[5:06] <clever> 3g->ethernet->pc is a bit odd when you can just 3g->usb->pc
[5:07] <cstk421> we want small cheap and efficient :)
[5:07] <cstk421> i agree
[5:07] <clever> main reason i would want ethernet, is so i can pipe it into a plain old wifi router that lacks usb inputs
[5:07] <clever> but they have to go and make a box that has wifi+3g, and then sell it at insane costs :P
[5:08] <cstk421> if you want wifi from 3g its 8$
[5:08] <cstk421> thats no prob
[5:08] <cstk421> this company has exactly what i want but its just under 100$ http://www.dovado.com/en/products
[5:08] <clever> ah, havent looked into it that much
[5:09] <cstk421> the dovado go is perfect for what i want
[5:09] <cstk421> heres an example of 3g to wifi for 8$ http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Portable-3G-4G-Wireless-N-USB-WiFi-Hotspot-Router-AP-150Mbps-JHXG-/251517579566?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8f9db12e
[5:09] <cstk421> crazy
[5:10] <clever> why does it say 150m, does it do 150mbit??
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[5:11] <clever> ah, b/g/n
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[5:11] <cstk421> yep
[5:11] <clever> ive had horid luck with n band
[5:11] <cstk421> i just want to know if it passes from 3g to ethernet too and i would be all set
[5:11] <cstk421> i just sent a question to the seller
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[5:11] <clever> my first n band router, i turned the dhcp server off to downgrade it to wireless access point
[5:12] <clever> it refused to stop sending ipv6 RA packets, and black-holed all ipv6 traffic
[5:12] <clever> which broke half the stuff i was using
[5:12] <cstk421> wow
[5:12] <cstk421> that sucks
[5:12] <clever> my isp has since upgraded me to fiberoptic, and they replaced the main router
[5:12] <clever> the new router does b/g/n, and sucks even more :P
[5:13] <clever> NOTHING on the wifi can EVER talk to the wired systems
[5:13] <clever> the whole point of N band was to get high speed access to the 4tb server downstairs
[5:13] <cstk421> you just need an AP not a router
[5:14] <clever> i have gone back to the d-link router, with dhcp disabled
[5:14] <clever> so it functions as an AP
[5:14] <clever> but its only b/g
[5:14] <cstk421> i run the Asus r66 that does N and has AP mode the rest is done by my cisco 1841 and 3750
[5:14] <cstk421> yeah that stinks
[5:14] <clever> the current router is an actiontec, its garbage
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[5:15] <clever> internaly, it has unsigned 32bit traffic counters (likely just linux)
[5:15] <clever> the html ui has 32bit signed byte counters
[5:15] <clever> when the code converts 32bit unsigned to signed, it doesnt wrap, it clips
[5:15] <cstk421> hmmm whos your provider ?
[5:15] <clever> so 50% of the time, the html stats are just stuck at 31^2
[5:16] <clever> bell/aliant
[5:16] <clever> i had written a script to poll the html page to graph the traffic
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[5:16] <clever> then i discovered, the router was locking up every month, like clockwork
[5:16] <clever> i could predict when the router would hang
[5:16] <clever> they have a memory leak in the http UI
[5:17] <clever> and if you poll it every minute, you can kill the thing in under a month
[5:17] <cstk421> hmm
[5:17] <cstk421> you must be in canadia then
[5:17] <cstk421> they are doing nothing but fiber these days
[5:17] <clever> yep
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[5:17] <cstk421> just put up a new home depot in vaughn and thats what they brought us
[5:17] <cstk421> and then converted to pots lines lol
[5:17] <cstk421> crazy
[5:17] <clever> 80mbit down, no total limit
[5:18] <clever> so i could download 80mbit 24/7
[5:18] <clever> one flat rate
[5:18] <clever> but since the router doesnt support snmp, i cant actualy measure how much i'm using
[5:19] <cstk421> thats sick
[5:19] <clever> tv service and phone comes in on the same fiber
[5:19] <cstk421> put a pfsense box instead of your router it will track all your traffic and bandwidth and cap usage :)
[5:19] <cstk421> not to mention 4 types of vpn firewall and all kinds of features
[5:19] <clever> i was using a custom built linux machine for my dsl router
[5:19] <clever> 200mhz desktop with 2 NIC's and 64mb of ram
[5:19] <cstk421> nothing i have used so far matches pfsense for open source
[5:19] <cstk421> lol nice
[5:19] <clever> entire os compiled from source
[5:20] <clever> but 600kbyte/sec down (the limit of the dsl) ate about 70% cpu usage
[5:20] <clever> 80mbit download (fiber) would just melt it :P
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[5:20] <clever> so i had to switch to the crap router the ISP provided
[5:20] <cstk421> i bet
[5:21] <clever> another issue that stops me from using normal routers
[5:21] <clever> 802.1q
[5:21] <clever> the modem spits out vlan tagged packets, to seperate the internet and tv lans
[5:21] <clever> the router must support 802.1q, or you get neither
[5:22] <cstk421> yep no prob for pf sense. do you have statics ?
[5:22] <clever> dynamic ip, but with the hardware on a UPS, it pretty much never drops out
[5:22] <clever> the 'modem' box has fiberoptic in, pots out, ethernet out(802.1q)
[5:23] <clever> and the modem has its own UPS, mainly for 911 reasons
[5:23] <clever> and after a 3 day power outage, i discovered another neat feature
[5:23] <clever> if the modem battery gets low, it disables the internet ports
[5:23] <clever> to keep the pots active
[5:23] <cstk421> wow neat
[5:24] <clever> 911 is more important then youtube :P
[5:24] <clever> thats easily defeated, just put the modem UPS on the same UPS as the router
[5:24] <clever> so the modem can charge itself up
[5:24] <clever> though UPS isnt exactly the right term
[5:25] <clever> its more like battery charger + battery + modem, running directly off the battery
[5:25] <clever> skip the inverter
[5:25] <cstk421> yeah comcrap uses the same battery method on the arris modems
[5:25] <clever> which reminds me, i need to do that to the other hardware too
[5:26] <clever> i took an old UPS, and hot-wired 4 SLA batterys into it (parallel obviously)
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[5:26] <clever> so it runs ~8x as long (each battery is twice the size of the original)
[5:26] <clever> that bank also runs into an avr board that manages the furnace
[5:27] <cstk421> your not one of those doomsdayers are you !
[5:27] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/temps_59.html
[5:27] <cstk421> :)
[5:27] <clever> the avr board then handles gathering data for these graphs
[5:27] <clever> that UPS setup can run wifi for about 10-ish hours
[5:27] <clever> the main issue after that, is charging the tablets back up
[5:27] <cstk421> im surprised you dont have solar
[5:28] <clever> ive thought of it, but you need a lot of panels
[5:28] <clever> and the power doesnt go out that often
[5:28] <clever> there have only been 2 long outages in the last ~4 years i think
[5:28] <cstk421> yeah natural gas is a better option
[5:29] <clever> one summer, there was an odd 3 day outage, all weekend
[5:29] <clever> near the end, i rolled the jeep up to a window, and hot-wired a 1500watt inverter up
[5:29] <clever> and started running things off that
[5:29] <cstk421> that will do it
[5:30] <clever> and just this winter, BEFORE the big snow storm, there was a ~24 hour outage
[5:30] <clever> i checked the math, the furnace needs about 900 watts (oil fired with a large blower fan)
[5:30] <cstk421> we lose power a lot here
[5:30] <cstk421> its annoying
[5:30] <clever> the inverter is 1500watts, so ignoring the starting current, i could possibly run the furnace off the jeep
[5:30] <cstk421> im so close to getting a gennerator
[5:31] <cstk421> just dont want to spend 10k on this house
[5:31] <clever> just hotwire a normal 110 plug onto the furnace, and run an extension cord out the window
[5:31] <clever> but thankfully, the power came back on before it cooled down enough to matter
[5:31] <cstk421> goot stuff
[5:31] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/graph_70.html
[5:32] <clever> that winter outage is actualy visible, look at week 12 on the monthly graph
[5:32] <clever> and on another graph, i can confirm it was only -5 that day
[5:33] <clever> the living room didnt even drop below +20c
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[5:35] <cstk421> yeah week 12 drops
[5:35] <cstk421> nice your using cacti
[5:35] <cstk421> i could never get cacti to work well for the life of me
[5:35] <cstk421> real PIA
[5:35] <clever> i have a custom c++ program monitoring the ftdi from the AVR
[5:35] <clever> and then a custom command in cacti will poll the c++ program
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[5:35] <clever> that gets the data in and then it just graphs
[5:36] <clever> i also made other graphs just for fun
[5:36] <clever> http://ext.earthtools.ca/export/exported_laptop_65_leaf.html
[5:36] <clever> room, cpu, and cpu%
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[5:36] <clever> you can clearly see a spike in cpu temp, when the load spiked (system updates)
[5:36] <clever> but you can also just barely see the cpu temp spike with the room temp
[5:36] <clever> around 6am
[5:37] <cstk421> sweet setup
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[5:39] <clever> at 1 week zoom (not in the exports), i can see daily peaks in cpu temp, which perfectly match the room temp peaks
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[5:40] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/lipo/soc.png
[5:40] <clever> at one point, i also had my pi running on a lipo battery
[5:40] <clever> with the lipo feeding into cacti, over wifi
[5:40] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/lipo/vcell.png
[5:40] <clever> this graph shows the cell voltage
[5:40] <clever> at about 11:50, it just dropped like a rock because the battery was essentialy flat
[5:41] <cstk421> hmm
[5:42] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/wish_lists/66243
[5:42] <clever> the basic parts to make the pi battery powered, and have it measure its own battery
[5:42] <clever> the pi is 3.3v only
[5:43] <clever> the only issue, the fuel gauge board ties i2c pullup to vbatt, 4.2 volts
[5:43] <cstk421> using usb still ?
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[5:43] <clever> i ran the 5v into the gpio header
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[5:44] <cstk421> ah
[5:44] <clever> i was able to easily modify the fuel guage board
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[5:44] <clever> just cut a trace with a knife and wire the 3.3v on the pi to i2c pullup
[5:45] <clever> the boost+charger board then deals with generating 5v from the batter, and charging it
[5:45] <clever> though it gets pretty hot when charging
[5:45] <cstk421> hmm
[5:49] <clever> ive also done tests on the iptv servic
[5:49] <clever> multicast, rtp, mpeg, h264
[5:50] <clever> any device on my lan can join the multicast group, and instantly get bombarded with h264 packets wrapped in rtp+mpegts
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[5:51] <clever> cstk421: the only thing stopping me from turning the pi into a cable box, is the normal encryption you find on any digital tv
[5:51] <cstk421> clever: do what i did cancel cable :)
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[5:52] <clever> its part of a bundle, phone+tv+internet, cheaper then the old setup when we got tv from a different provider
[5:53] <cstk421> yeah i just dropped it 3 months ago. 50/month for 45 up and 6 down
[5:53] <cstk421> dedicated no cable that drops on peak hours
[5:53] <clever> http://www.bellaliant.net/fibreop
[5:54] <clever> from what ive read on forums, they add an extra 20mbit onto the package
[5:54] <clever> so if you pay for 80, you actualy get 100
[5:54] <clever> and your tv watching will then eat up that 20mbit
[5:54] <clever> but if the tv is off, you get an extra 20mbit free
[5:55] <cstk421> yeah thats how mine was
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[6:01] <nell> if i wanna format a 32gb sd card for raspbian
[6:01] <nell> do i format as fat32
[6:01] <clever> nell: the .img file includes the formating
[6:01] <clever> so whatever you do before the .img is pointless
[6:01] <clever> the .img replaces it
[6:01] <nell> oh so dd the image
[6:01] <nell> boom done
[6:01] <clever> yep
[6:02] <clever> the .img includes both partitions and the partition table
[6:02] <clever> so dd to the whole disk
[6:02] <nell> cool. im setting up an http server
[6:02] <clever> then you can use rpi-config to resize it to consume the whole card
[6:02] <nell> will my pi get pwned >_>
[6:02] <clever> once its running on a pi
[6:03] <nell> doing some research now
[6:05] <cstk421> nell: they make a couple of apps that will format it or drop images on it for you. apple pi baker and sd formatter for mac as an example
[6:05] <nell> im on linux so im comfortab;le using dd
[6:06] <cstk421> clever: hey you think there is a way to connect a mini pi card to the pi via exansion pins not usb ?
[6:06] <clever> biggest noob mistake i see, is when it repartitions the disk, you get a 128mb fat32 as the first partition
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[6:06] <clever> then people wonder how it broke the sd card
[6:06] <clever> why is it missing 98% of the space!? lol
[6:06] <clever> cstk421: mini pi card?
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[6:07] <cstk421> clever: mini PCI sorry
[6:07] <clever> nope, the chip has no pci interfaces
[6:08] <cstk421> clever: gotcha. see my ultimate plan once i find a good 3g usb card is to have everything inside the case with an external SMA antenna for 3g , power, and 1 usb to serial connection. I want it to be a clean setup
[6:09] <cstk421> the mini pci 3g cards are cheap and perfect
[6:09] <clever> cstk421: oh, another factor that comes into play
[6:09] <cstk421> i cant believe the price for the 3g shields are 100$
[6:09] <clever> mini-pci connectors include usb
[6:09] <clever> and some vendors will cheap out, and just put a usb stick on a mini-pci card connector
[6:09] <cstk421> yeah i have seen the mini pci to usb
[6:09] <clever> that only works if the board itself uses usb
[6:10] <cstk421> gotta figure out how to make an internal usb connection
[6:10] <cstk421> would have to prob remove the existing ports
[6:10] <clever> ah, here it is, only mini-pcie (pci express minicard)
[6:11] <clever> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#PCI_Express_Mini_Card
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[6:11] <clever> it includes a single lane of pcie, usb2.0, sim card, and a few other minor things
[6:11] <cstk421> but it wont connect the pi without USB right
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[6:12] <clever> if you find a 3g modem that only uses the usb, you can just wire it directly to a usb cable
[6:12] <clever> and plug it into the pi
[6:12] <clever> or even glue it to the bottom and solder it directly to the pins for a usb port
[6:13] <cstk421> are the pins exposed for the usb on the inside ?
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[6:13] <clever> the usb socket pins are sticking out of the bottom of the board
[6:14] <clever> http://elinux.org/images/b/b8/Raspberry-pi-bottom.jpg
[6:14] <clever> the 8 pins on the right, between the 4 giant mounting tabs
[6:14] <clever> you could solder directly to the d+/d-, and just not use that port
[6:14] <cstk421> hmmm not bad
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[6:15] <clever> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Raspberry_Pi_B%2B_bottom.jpg
[6:15] <clever> same for the 4 port models
[6:16] <clever> as long as there is only one device per port, you can sneak some in thru the bottom
[6:16] <cstk421> riddle me this one see this diagram http://postimg.org/image/4ftf2n4tf/
[6:16] <clever> just a level shifter
[6:16] <clever> 14/15 are 3.3v level serial
[6:16] <cstk421> i use the serial cable to connect to a console port of a network device. i want to skip the serial port and go from the pins on the board to a RJ45 port so i can just use a patch cable instead
[6:17] <cstk421> simple ?
[6:17] <clever> the RJ45 likely has +12v and -12v on it
[6:17] <clever> so you stil need the level shifter
[6:17] <clever> but you can replace the DB9 port with an rj45 connector
[6:18] <cstk421> https://www.fuzeqna.com/sonicwallkb/wf/uploadfiles/Image/KBID6353image1.JPG
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[6:19] <cstk421> thats my goal to not need the db9 adapter or do i still need the card ?
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[6:19] <clever> you would still need that board to level shift 3.3v to normal rs232 levels
[6:19] <clever> and a normal straight thru cable
[6:20] <cstk421> oh ok
[6:20] <clever> but instead of a db9 -> adapter->switch, you would just have an rj45 plug on the board
[6:20] <cstk421> yeah that would work
[6:20] <clever> max2232
[6:27] <cstk421> found it for .99c
[6:27] <cstk421> :)
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[6:37] <cstk421> gonna call it a night. ttyl
[6:37] <clever> same
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[7:09] <abbyNormal> trying to compile a kernel module, and getting an error that stdio.h "no such file or directory"
[7:10] <abbyNormal> following the steps at https://sites.google.com/site/thepihacker/pimodules
[7:10] <abbyNormal> getting it when I run: make modules CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.8 SUBDIRS=custom
[7:10] <abbyNormal> any suggestions?
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[7:22] <ShorTie> locate stdio.h, is it there ??
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[7:34] <abbyNormal> ShorTie: there are multiple copies of it on the drive...
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[7:35] <abbyNormal> not sure specifically where it is looking for it
[7:36] <ShorTie> me niether
[7:36] <nell> /query alusion
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[10:03] <Chetic> what's the maximum current draw from peripheral units on a raspberry pi 2?
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[10:07] <Chetic> sounds like a model B draws 700mA on its own at maximum load
[10:08] <Chetic> So that leaves 300mA for accelerometer, gyro, magnetometer and bluetooth dongle. Does that sound reasonable to anyone?
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[12:32] <kevinsan> Chetic, you would need to look at the datasheet for each of the components you want to connect. They usually have a section on electrical characteristics.
[12:33] <kevinsan> look for the typical and maximum current draw for each. take into consideration any other circuitry such as LEDs if you're using modules.
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[12:36] <kevinsan> but in any case, I'd guess 300mA is plenty.
[12:40] <Chetic> thank you kevinsan :)
[12:40] <Chetic> I have done that and it looks like nooo problem
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[12:43] <ShorTie> gpio pin current draw is like 16ma
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[12:56] <knob> Good morning everyone =)
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[12:59] <buZz> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1000833.0
[12:59] <buZz> ehr, oops
[12:59] <buZz> i ment to paste http://imgur.com/a/8xo0g
[12:59] <buZz> my overkill heatsinked raspi2 :P
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[13:01] <grammoboy> how can I record with my camera without saving the video?
[13:01] <grammoboy> like a live display on my screen?
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[13:03] <nimbius> hi pi. is there an ACPI or s3 suspend for the rpi?
[13:07] <toomin> buZz, your GPIO pins. x_x
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[13:09] <ShorTie> any heatsink on a pi is total overkill
[13:09] <buZz> toomin: i need 0
[13:10] <buZz> ShorTie: it was segfaulting on >2 hour compile jobs
[13:10] <buZz> heatsinking fixed it
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[13:10] <OffensiveUser> ShorTie, but they look leet
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[13:40] <pcercuei> hi, I'm trying to boot a rpi 2B using latest firmware/master on my boot partition
[13:40] <pcercuei> and it hangs at boot, slightly after /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted
[13:40] <pcercuei> if I remove the devicetree file, then it boots fine O_o
[13:41] <pcercuei> that's with the unmodified kernel/DTS files from firmware/master
[13:42] <pcercuei> I also tried with a compiled rpi-3.18.y, rpi-3.19.y kernels + devicetree, and I have the exact same problem
[13:42] <pcercuei> unless I disable the devicetree it hangs at boot
[13:42] <pcercuei> anybody has ideas?
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[14:04] <turtlehat> mongol19
[14:04] <turtlehat> eh
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[14:10] <HoloPed> Can I use this with a Pi ? http://www.adafruit.com/products/1927
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[14:12] <buZz> http://jeremyblythe.blogspot.nl/2012/09/raspberry-pi-distance-measuring-sensor.html
[14:12] <buZz> HoloPed: 100 points for using google before asking here
[14:12] <buZz> :P
[14:12] <HoloPed> WOHOO !
[14:12] <HoloPed> POINTS !
[14:13] <buZz> http://www.sundh.com/blog/2010/03/181/ <- uses that exact model of sensor
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[14:13] <HoloPed> how can the pi measure analong V ?
[14:14] <buZz> HoloPed: you might score more points if you actually read webpages
[14:14] <HoloPed> MOAR POINTS
[14:14] <HoloPed> ok ok
[14:14] <shiftplusone> Any plans on what you'll do with all the points?
[14:14] <HoloPed> Buy a house in the carribians
[14:15] <BCMM> HoloPed: seems like the blog says you attach an analogue input to the SPI
[14:15] <BCMM> i mean, a separate board that can read and encode analogue data
[14:15] <shiftplusone> I don't think they're redeemable for houses.
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[14:15] <Tenkawa_> hi all
[14:15] <shiftplusone> Hey
[14:15] <BCMM> http://jeremyblythe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/raspberry-pi-hardware-spi-analog-inputs.html
[14:16] <Tenkawa_> missed anything interesting this morning?
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[14:17] <Tenkawa> thats better
[14:17] <Tenkawa> other box is inaccessible atm
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[14:45] <randomdork1279> hello
[14:45] <randomdork1279> anyone running the most recent pidora?
[14:45] <randomdork1279> i am having issues with systemd starting my services at boot
[14:46] <randomdork1279> i run systemctl enable and start and it works fine
[14:46] <randomdork1279> but when I restart my raspberry bi the services are not on
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[14:49] <Tenkawa> randomdork1279: is the service itself set to autostart?
[14:50] <randomdork1279> how can i check that?
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[14:51] <Tenkawa> randomdork1279: I'd have to look that up.. I'll brb though.. need to reboot to test a kernel
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[14:53] <randomdork1279> ok
[14:53] <randomdork1279> i will be around
[14:53] <randomdork1279> thanks for your help
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[15:00] <randomdork1279> just repeating my issue for those who just came in
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[15:00] <randomdork1279> using systemctl enable and start on services
[15:00] <randomdork1279> they run correctly without errors, but do not start after reboot
[15:00] <randomdork1279> using pidora
[15:01] <randomdork1279> pidora 20
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[15:11] <Tenkawa> randomdork1279: is there any systemctl errors or anything in /var/log?
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[15:17] <randomdork1279> gonna look now
[15:17] <randomdork1279> already in /var/log
[15:18] <randomdork1279> brb
[15:18] <Tenkawa> ok
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[15:21] <randomdork1279> i am going to restart and view the logs again
[15:21] <randomdork1279> i cant see anything apparent now
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[15:21] <randomdork1279> one moment
[15:24] <Tenkawa> wish I could help more however I mostly still use sysinit
[15:24] <Tenkawa> er sysvinit
[15:24] <Tenkawa> so I have to use the standard logging/etc stuff to debug
[15:25] <randomdork1279> that is fine, i am new to systemctl
[15:25] <randomdork1279> systemd is is new to me
[15:25] <randomdork1279> i am used to sysvinit
[15:26] <ozzzy> IMHO systemd is a blight on the landscape
[15:26] <Tenkawa> sysvinit seemed like a plenty good system
[15:26] <Tenkawa> ozzzy: heheh
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[15:27] <Tenkawa> what "problem" were they trying to fix anyway with systemd?
[15:27] <ozzzy> poettering was bored
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[15:27] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[15:27] <Tenkawa> indeed
[15:27] <randomdork1279> yeah cant see anything strance
[15:27] <randomdork1279> strange
[15:27] <ozzzy> "hmmm... what can I don to further mess things up now that eveyrone has pulseaudio"
[15:27] <randomdork1279> hahaha
[15:28] <Tenkawa> shudder... pulse
[15:28] * ozzzy wonders why his fingers don't work
[15:28] <Tenkawa> I didnt even really see a need to go away from oss to alsa
[15:28] <Tenkawa> although it made more sense than pulse
[15:28] <randomdork1279> pulse audio + MIDI support = non-existent
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[15:28] <randomdork1279> lots of pain making music with hardward
[15:29] <randomdork1279> hardware with pulseaudio
[15:29] <pcercuei> can't you use pulseaudio on top of jack?
[15:29] * Tenkawa wonders if he should try to get 3-4 more rpi2's this weekend
[15:29] * ozzzy builds a new Pi power supply
[15:29] <randomdork1279> yes, but i had trouble supporting a external MIDI device
[15:29] <randomdork1279> sequencer etc
[15:30] <randomdork1279> on many occasions
[15:30] <Tenkawa> randomdork1279: conventional midi or midi via usb?
[15:30] <benny-> lol
[15:30] <randomdork1279> USB -> MIDI converter
[15:30] <randomdork1279> might be that...
[15:30] <benny-> alsa => jack => pulse? xD
[15:30] <benny-> my brain hurts
[15:30] <randomdork1279> oh well, that is another issue
[15:30] <randomdork1279> i am here to talk about systemd
[15:30] <Tenkawa> ok.. need to test a kernel
[15:30] <Tenkawa> bbiaf
[15:31] <randomdork1279> i enable AND IT DOESNT START
[15:31] <randomdork1279> WTF
[15:31] <randomdork1279> i mean on reboot
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[15:31] <randomdork1279> i can start it manually
[15:31] <randomdork1279> systemctl start is fine
[15:31] <randomdork1279> but after restart it doesnt come up
[15:32] <randomdork1279> any ideas?
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[15:32] <randomdork1279> i dont know where to look to debug this, all logs dont show anything out of the ordinary
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[15:34] <benny-> doesn't systemd provide states?
[15:34] <benny-> like started/stopped/crashed
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[15:34] <benny-> so you can check at least if the init script tries to start the service
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[15:37] <Tenkawa> any luck?
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[15:39] <randomdork1279> no but i have some ideas
[15:39] <randomdork1279> looking into targets
[15:39] <randomdork1279> it seems it is active
[15:39] <randomdork1279> multi-user
[15:40] <randomdork1279> and the services are listed
[15:40] <randomdork1279> one sec
[15:41] <shadeslayer> can someone point me to a guide on how to make a image for the Pi from scratch?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> for the Pi2
[15:41] <shiftplusone> shadeslayer, look at the spindle source code?
[15:41] <shiftplusone> image of what OS?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> what's spindle?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> shiftplusone: debian
[15:42] <shiftplusone> the tool used to create the official images
[15:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:42] * shadeslayer looks
[15:42] <shiftplusone> github asb spindle
[15:42] <shadeslayer> github being ddos'd doesn't help
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[15:42] <shadeslayer> yeah found it
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[15:46] <shadeslayer> ShorTie: heh, thx
[15:46] <ShorTie> No Problem
[15:46] <shadeslayer> could have just pasted here though no ? :)
[15:46] <ShorTie> rpi2, you can even use ftp.debian for packages
[15:47] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:47] <shadeslayer> I would like to use plain debian sid since that's what I'm integrating against
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[15:47] <ShorTie> some peeps might consider it spamming, so i'll just notice it, it's in the forums
[15:48] <Froolad> what is in the forums?
[15:48] <ShorTie> sorry, only got whezzy and jessie in it
[15:48] <ShorTie> my no_pi_os script
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[15:49] <randomdork1279> ok I am going to reread the documentation
[15:50] <ShorTie> blaaa, my_pi_os that is
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[15:51] <ShorTie> i'm open for comments/suggestions on it, already added a exclude statement for cdebootstrap for 1
[15:51] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: whats up?
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[15:52] <ShorTie> not the sky, it's raining, lol.
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[15:52] <Tenkawa> snowing some here
[15:52] <Tenkawa> blah
[15:52] <Froolap> The sky is falling.... the sky is falling...
[15:53] <TheLostAdmin> raining again, Frootlap?
[15:53] <Froolap> giggle
[15:54] <Tenkawa> isnt that a moby song?
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[16:09] <Froolap> I have the RPI2B and running fedora on it and from time to time the wireless net gets dropped and it prompts the user logged in running xwindows to provide the wpa password to reconnect the network..... how do I prevent that?
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[16:12] <Froolap> it should just reconnect the network in the background and carry on. nmcli con up mynet will reconnect it, so it knows the passphrase
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[16:13] <Tenkawa> Froolap: odd
[16:13] <Tenkawa> mine reconnect up fine
[16:14] <xmanmonk> Might be the router's expiration time for the key.
[16:14] <Froolap> preshared key
[16:15] <xmanmonk> Hmm... I get that on my laptop, but only on certain networks (public wifi), not at home. So I figured it's router-related.
[16:15] <Froolap> I think it has something to do with the xwindows keyring deal......
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ShorTie: randomdork1279 ok, so the scripts seem to want to build against sid
[16:16] <shadeslayer> erm
[16:16] <shadeslayer> wheezy
[16:16] <Froolap> I never used keyring
[16:16] <shadeslayer> are there instructions somewhere on how to manually insert the firmware?
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[16:16] <shadeslayer> I don't totally understand what needs to go where
[16:16] <shadeslayer> and I'd rather not spend time guessing
[16:17] <shadeslayer> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/ doesn't really tell me much
[16:18] <shadeslayer> I might have to write my own :(
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[16:18] <Froolap> There used to be some setting when setting up the network to allow other users to start/stop the network, but I can't find it.
[16:19] <Froolap> it should be a system wide always on connection.
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[16:25] <Tachyon`> Froolap, if you don't have a user password set it'll ask for the wifi password every time I think, if you do it'll store it on the keyring
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[16:28] <Froolap> uh,...... it boots to gui. I type in a password...... then start a web browser..... later if the net drops I get prompted for a password to reconnect..... but that password seems to be the wpa2 passphrase...... which password are you referring to?
[16:30] <Froolap> thing is it shouldn't prompt users for anything.....
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[16:31] <Froolap> I'm trying to run the pi as a picture frame for my wireless camera
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[16:52] <Anaphaxeton> funny stuff. the rpi is not powered. i plug the hdd's power cord to some power source. the disk starts. next step, i connect the usb. voila! the rpi turns on!
[16:53] <Anaphaxeton> i dont know how unhealthy this is, but i connected the regular power supply as well
[16:53] <benny-> that's called backpowering
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[16:54] <benny-> i wouldn't recommend both power sources at once, but just my gut feeling
[16:55] <Anaphaxeton> i know what is happening (not the term though) and yeah it sounds wrong
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[16:55] <Froolap> common ground.
[16:55] <Froolap> no common ground. sparks
[16:55] <Anaphaxeton> and since most probably the rpi cant power this disk so
[16:55] <buZz> i see that when i connect HDMI :P
[16:55] <Anaphaxeton> i should remove the power cord of the pi?
[16:55] <buZz> no
[16:56] <buZz> its not causing harm
[16:56] <Anaphaxeton> in general everything is powered by a self-powered hub
[16:57] <buZz> it has a power generator onboard?
[16:57] <benny-> is there no compensating current with two power sources?
[16:57] <Anaphaxeton> no need for extra power for dvds hdds whateever
[16:57] <buZz> diesel?
[16:57] <buZz> benny-: nope
[16:57] <benny-> why are you sure? :P
[16:57] <ali1234> Anaphaxeton: although you can back power the B+ through the USB port, it won't turn on without the regular power cable
[16:58] <benny-> i know that when you connect 2 batteries in parallel, there will be compensating current
[16:59] <Anaphaxeton> and something else. lzo compression with btrfs or reiser4 is no benefit right?
[16:59] <Anaphaxeton> some silly benchmarks i did yesterday saud si
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[17:02] <Anaphaxeton> said so*
[17:02] <Anaphaxeton> I/O is suffering but apparently the CPU is sufferuig too
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[17:04] <nfk> do i suspect correctly that unless a memory card is inserted, model b+ will just have pwr and act leds on and that's it?
[17:04] <buZz> yes
[17:04] <nfk> fuck
[17:04] <buZz> no OS -> nothing happens
[17:04] <nfk> i did ask the professor if it has OS on it
[17:05] <nfk> he said yes, but apparently my suspicion was correct
[17:05] <nfk> and per chance the micro sd card is obviously visible when it's inserted, correct?
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[17:08] <buZz> nfk: just cause someone has a academic title doesnt mean he has any intelligence
[17:11] <muriani> nfk: it sticks out a little
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[17:11] <muriani> but just a little
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[17:12] <xmanmonk> Anyone have experience with LightSpark and Flash (e.g. Youtube) on a Kano?
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[17:13] <buZz> xmanmonk: i dont recommend using youtube while peddling a boat
[17:13] <xmanmonk> buZz: :)
[17:14] <buZz> i tried HTML5 on debian's chromium compiled
[17:14] <buZz> no go
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[17:14] <buZz> kano looks like nothing
[17:14] <buZz> its a case ... and a keyboard
[17:15] <buZz> wow, just 150 euro for a case and a keyboard O_o
[17:15] * buZz is constantly amazed at stupidity of people
[17:15] <xmanmonk> buZz: Right -- essentially a pi with a modified OS. Got a kid here who wants to watch YouTube on it.
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[17:15] <buZz> xmanmonk: install youtude-dl , download the video , play in mplayer
[17:16] <xmanmonk> buZz: Okay. I think she said she tried that and it was painfully slow, but that could be a network issue (had other network issues). Thx.
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[17:17] <nfk> buZz, muriani, any recommendations on what kind of card to pick?
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[17:18] <buZz> class 10 card
[17:18] <buZz> 8GB or bigger
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[17:21] <Jusii> official one
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[17:23] <buZz> whats an official SD card
[17:23] <ring0> nfk, http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards could be interesting
[17:23] <muriani> nfk: I'm running Transcend brand UHS-1 cards
[17:24] <muriani> works like a champ
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[17:25] <Jusii> one with raspberry logo
[17:26] <Jusii> its a samsung
[17:26] <ring0> sandisk extreme 16gb uhs-1, working great over here
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[17:28] <buZz> Jusii: anyone can print a logo on any SD card :)
[17:28] <ring0> there is no 'official' sd-card: http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/
[17:29] <cstk421> anyone having an issue using a usb to rs232 device ? did some reading and that it was an issue but updating the pi should fix it. I can get to the screen session but then it freezes i have to get out of screen and reboot to get back in.
[17:29] <cstk421> has there been a resolution to this issue ?
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[17:37] <nfk> buZz, current versions of mpv have youtube-dl hooks
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[17:38] <nfk> Jusii, it's friday evening and since the professor didn't say that i need one i'm pretty darn sure he has 0 of them ordered, woops, hahaa
[17:38] <nfk> getting state funding for those is gonna be nice and quick
[17:39] <nfk> or even doing a uni level buying
[17:39] <buZz> whats a mpv?
[17:39] <nfk> mplyaer fork
[17:39] <nfk> the best one
[17:39] <buZz> ah i see
[17:39] <buZz> i
[17:40] <nfk> just make sure you use git version
[17:40] <buZz> i'll stick to mplayer though :P
[17:40] <nfk> but mpv is much better
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[17:40] <nfk> color management, frame interpolation
[17:40] <buZz> mplayer has that aswell
[17:40] <nfk> youtube-dl support
[17:40] <nfk> frame interpolation?
[17:40] <nfk> i call BS
[17:40] <buZz> yeah
[17:40] <nfk> no way
[17:40] <buZz> mplayer -vf help
[17:40] <nfk> not that
[17:41] <nfk> mpv's vo_opengl can interpolate frames to smooth out motion
[17:41] <buZz> oh you want to add frames?
[17:41] <buZz> i never want to do that :P
[17:41] <nfk> what else is frame interpolation?
[17:41] <nfk> you do
[17:41] <buZz> interleaving based on actual data
[17:41] <buZz> not invent new data
[17:41] <buZz> :P
[17:42] <nfk> when you play back 24 fps video on 60 Hz display the frames actually are not shown for the same length of time
[17:42] <nfk> basicaly some frames are shown twice while others thrice
[17:42] <buZz> enjoy :)
[17:43] <nfk> with frame interpolation instead of showing the same frame multiple times they are blended according to their weight
[17:43] <nfk> buZz, i have been enjoying it for at least a month, thank you
[17:43] <nfk> finally no more jagged motion
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[18:06] <muriani> sweet, my barrel plug to microUSB adapters are here
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[18:06] <muriani> I can make use of these decent 5v power supplies now
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[18:07] <toomin> heh. I just cut an extra cable and soldered copper wire to insert into the barrel plugs. :p
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[18:08] <muriani> yeah, I could have done that but didn't want to mess with it
[18:08] <muriani> and the adapters were a couple of bucks, so *shrug*
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[18:28] * Sonny_Jim sets up a SSH honeypot for spits and giggles
[18:28] <Sonny_Jim> May as well and see what these guys are trying to do
[18:28] <shiftplusone> Hope you know what you're doing.
[18:29] <muriani> the number of bans per day is dropping for me finally
[18:31] <toomin> ugh
[18:31] <toomin> So many Chinese IPs
[18:31] <muriani> yeah
[18:31] <muriani> only 7 new ones yesterda
[18:32] <muriani> 50so far today
[18:32] <muriani> *5
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> Not using an SSH server to do it
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/desaster/kippo
[18:35] <muriani> that's pretty cool
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> We'll see what happens
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> In theory, a super-haXx0r could probably break out of kippo, but I think it should be ok
[18:36] <Froolad> muriani: I don't know what you are doing but if you are running ssh open on the net then I highly recommend that you install fail2ban..... and config your firewall to only allow ip's that you know to connect.
[18:36] <muriani> Froolad: yeah I am
[18:37] <muriani> using fail2ban anyway
[18:37] <Froolad> I was getting 1000 attempts per hour all from china.....
[18:37] <Froolad> Now I get 0
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[18:37] <muriani> I have a couple of known remote users, but their IPs are dynamic
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> Could someone try to connect as root/123456 on pinball.servebeer.com
[18:38] <Froolad> they may be dynamic, but you can block all except that isp..... and that reduces the odds of someone from that isp deciding to look at you.....
[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah looks like it's working, thanks
[18:39] <Froolad> that way they can still get in with dynamic ip, but fail2ban will catch anyone else that doesn't know their password
[18:39] <muriani> oh lawd it's lenny
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[18:40] <muriani> Sonny_Jim: that's pretty convincing
[18:40] <Sonny_Jim> Ha, exit doesn't work for some reason
[18:41] <muriani> hehehe
[18:41] <muriani> intentionally
[18:41] <Sonny_Jim> I should put in some fake files to make it seem more exciting, but I'll leave it to see if anyone plays with it first
[18:41] <muriani> you get some insight as to what/who they are when they think they're on the local machine
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[18:47] <Sonny_Jim> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM i8 Octo CPU E9xxx @ 10.66GHz
[18:47] <Sonny_Jim> Seems legit ;-)
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[18:52] <kevireilly> Anyone know what sort of profiling options might be available for the rpi or devices with similar specs?
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[18:56] <Sonny_Jim> Do you mean benchmarking?
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[18:56] <Sonny_Jim> Or how tall/wide the Pi is/
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[19:01] <kevireilly> Sonny_Jim: benchmarking yeah. Having trouble getting valgrind and oprofile to work presently.
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[19:02] <Sonny_Jim> I thought valgrind was more for checking code?
[19:03] <Sonny_Jim> Which part of the Pi would you like to see benchmarks for? I/O, CPU etc?
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[19:03] <Sonny_Jim> Seeing as it's a fixed system you can just look for someone elses results
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[19:04] <kevireilly> Sonny_Jim: cpu, memory, anything we can get our hands on really. Honestly it isn't for the rpi specifically but a device with similar specs so thought someone might have some good recommendations. It isn't a device people are commonly trying to profile.
[19:04] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[19:05] <Sonny_Jim> Well, you probably want to figure out what your requirements are first ;-)
[19:05] <Sonny_Jim> What problems are you having with oprofile?
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[19:11] <kevireilly> Sonny_Jim: "perf_events is not available on this system"
[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
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[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> You installed perf?
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[19:14] <kevireilly> mmm that might be needed indeed
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[19:16] <kevireilly> Sonny_Jim: is it OK if I PM you? I can be more specific
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[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> kevireilly: TBH I know very little about profiling, I'm just a google monkey ;-)
[19:22] <ShorTie> Mr.Google rockz...
[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> no perf in apt-get?
[19:23] <Sonny_Jim> I didn't look very hard
[19:24] <kevireilly> I believe it is running fedora
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[19:34] <niston> I wonder about locked cockpit doors in airliners
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[19:34] <niston> will this really prevent terrorism or abductions?
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[19:35] <niston> what if the terrorists start executing hostages one by one until the door is opened?
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[19:35] <niston> will the pilots remain firm and refuse to open the lock?
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[19:36] * niston openly questions post-9/11 security
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[19:40] <strobelight> niston: I heard at least in US flights, there's always two people in cockpits, but off topic anyway, so be careful ;-)
[19:41] <niston> eu airlines seem to be adopting the same policy
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[19:42] * niston suggests removing the door and adding a number of sky marshalls with tazers to every flight :>
[19:42] <buZz> one airbus crashes per month
[19:42] <buZz> still safer way to travel than a car
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[19:48] <niston> haha
[19:48] <niston> some politican demands "internet cameras" in the cockpi
[19:48] <niston> *t
[19:49] <shiftplusone> I thought cockpi was a new product I was not aware of.
[19:50] <niston> lol
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[19:53] <muriani> shiftplusone: No, you just need to watch American Pie.
[19:53] <cstk421> has anyone used the SIM900 GSM/GPRS that could give insight into the "speed" functionality of it ?
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[20:09] <Sonny_Jim> Cockpit cameras would not have saved MH370, AF447 or any other recent airline crash, hence why they will never be implemented
[20:10] <Sonny_Jim> the only valid reason to have them is to check for display software issues, ie The pilots display said X when they were supposed to show Y
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[20:12] <niston> I wonder though
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[20:12] <niston> why not add a blackbox that saves video from the cockpit
[20:12] <Sonny_Jim> Because of the reason I just stated
[20:12] <niston> well
[20:13] <niston> following that logic, voice nor flight data recorder would have prevented these disasters
[20:13] <nefarious> ^ exactly what I was thinking
[20:13] <niston> so why not toss em out :D
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[20:13] <Sonny_Jim> TBH all this 'cockpit video' camera issue seems to stem from peoples morbid obsession with hearing the CVR
[20:13] <niston> hey this is the 21st century
[20:13] <Sonny_Jim> The point is, any information that's pertinant can be collected by the existing systems
[20:14] <niston> and we still only have audio on record?
[20:14] <Sonny_Jim> Having a camera adds very little
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[20:14] <niston> dunno. some say there are experts that identify which buttons were pressed by the sound of them
[20:14] <niston> the sound the physical switches make
[20:14] <Sonny_Jim> Most modern FDRs will record which buttons are pressed
[20:14] <niston> why do you know this?
[20:15] <Sonny_Jim> And you won't be able to tell exactly which button a pilot pressed from a camera
[20:15] <Sonny_Jim> Because I used to work in ATC ;-)
[20:15] <Sonny_Jim> Boring job
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[20:15] <niston> i see
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[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> Imagine having to repeat the same phrases over and over, in a job that's purposely designed so you don't get too much excitement
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> In Europe, all radio traffic is supposed to use a very standardised phrase set, as a lot of pilots won't have English as their first language
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> So it's very flat and boring
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> One interesting thing, though. You'll have multi-million dollar systems to ensure that the planes don't crash, but a lot of places still use a strip of paper and a block of wood
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> Flight comes into the area, flightstrip is printed, you stick it to the block of wood and put it in a rack by the side of your monitor
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> Once the flight leaves your area, you fling it down the desk to the next guy
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[20:36] <McBride36> boring jobs are the worst
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[20:46] <Tenkawa> McBride36: boring or massively stressful
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[20:48] <McBride36> i mean, i've been paid $10/hr to remove staples from documents all day. that wasn't fun
[20:48] <Tenkawa> i understand
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[21:05] <dashed> does anyone know how one would detect if a device is connected to a male usb?
[21:07] <Tenkawa> lsusb
[21:07] <Tenkawa> for usb attached devices in general
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[21:07] <Tenkawa> not sure if thats what you wanted however it should be a start
[21:07] <dashed> to clarify the device won't be conencted to the usb ports of the raspberry
[21:08] <dashed> wondering if detection can be done via gpio
[21:08] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[21:08] <Tenkawa> not sure offhand.. i'd assume there has to be some way though
[21:09] <dashed> yeah. I'm wondering how the PC would retrieve device information on the usb bus.
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[21:13] <nfk> is shutdown -h now the way to power it down properly?
[21:14] <muriani> I just use poweroff
[21:14] <muriani> but shutdown -h should work too?
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[21:14] <Michelle_G> Does anybody have any experience compiling code for the Pi 2?
[21:15] <Tenkawa> Michelle_G: whats up?
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[21:15] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Getting a new Pi 2 today and want to make use of all the groovy new features (4 cores)
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[21:16] <Tenkawa> ahh
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[21:17] <nfk> muriani, right, thanks
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[21:17] <nfk> btw, any plans on using systemd?
[21:17] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Do you know anything about compiling from source to take advantage of the 4 cores?
[21:18] <Tenkawa> compiling itself or code optimization?
[21:18] <Tenkawa> compiling you just use -j function of make
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[21:19] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: I'm brand new, so I'm not sure. For example I want to install OwnCloud, but I first have to have married installed and there isn't an Arm version available in the repository, so I have to compile my own I guess
[21:20] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: married=mariadb
[21:20] <alicemaz> Hello~ (first time here)
[21:20] <Michelle_G> alicemaz: mine too
[21:21] <Tenkawa> you just setup the configure/setup
[21:21] <Tenkawa> then run mae -j 4 instead -f make
[21:21] <Tenkawa> er mae/make
[21:21] <Tenkawa> ie make -j 4 all
[21:22] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: does that just "compile" or as you said "optimize?"
[21:22] <Tenkawa> compile with 4 jobs at once
[21:23] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Ok, but there isn't a way to optimize different apps to actually make use of 4 cores?
[21:23] <Tenkawa> oh.. if the src code itself can yes
[21:24] <Tenkawa> not just by compiling though
[21:24] <Tenkawa> threading and such needs to be applied in the code
[21:24] <Tenkawa> then linked into the proper libraries
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[21:25] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: I see. I don't know enough to get in there and mess about with code to do that. I see that ppl use gcc to compile their apps. Is that necessary?
[21:26] <Tenkawa> only to an extent
[21:26] <Tenkawa> and in most cases nominal
[21:27] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: I read somewhere that something needs to be Arm v7 aware when compiling so gcc was used or something like that
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[21:28] <Tenkawa> ahh
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[21:28] <Tenkawa> then you want to use the -march and i think -mcpu arguments to gcc then
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[21:30] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Wow! You REALLY know your stuff.
[21:31] <Tenkawa> I use to use compilers for a living a long time ago
[21:32] <Tenkawa> so it still intrigues me
[21:32] <Tenkawa> thanks btw.
[21:33] <Tenkawa> btw how do you like your rpi2 so far?
[21:33] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Really? That's interesting. You're welcome. Thank YOU! For taking the time to help out a noob
[21:33] <Tenkawa> no problem at all. this is fun stuff to me
[21:34] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: I don't know yet. It is supposed to arrive today and I really want to put it to work
[21:34] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
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[21:34] <Tenkawa> hehehe I'm thinking of adding 3-4 more of them to the mix I already have
[21:34] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Supposedly, it's up to 500% faster than the previous version. We'll see I guess
[21:34] <clever> Michelle_G: i believe rasbian is built in armv6 mode, and comes with only an armv6 compiler
[21:35] <clever> so you cant run armv7 code on rasbian
[21:35] <clever> but you do get full use of 4 cores
[21:35] <Tenkawa> I've got around a dozen rpi's and beaglebone blacks of different generations
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[21:35] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Holy Cow! You really are making the most of them
[21:35] <muriani> clever: eh? I thought pi2 version of raspbian was arm7
[21:35] <Tenkawa> clever: you sure about that?
[21:35] <clever> muriani: backwards compatability
[21:35] <muriani> clever: Linux retropie 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
[21:35] <clever> they had to make rasbian armv6, so it still works on the pi1
[21:35] <clever> muriani: armv7 kernel with armv6 userland tools
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[21:36] <Michelle_G> clever: That's what I understand, so ppl have been using gcc to compile rather than make. I don't know
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[21:36] <muriani> Michelle_G: well you get both
[21:36] <clever> Michelle_G: make cant compile anything
[21:36] <Tenkawa> ahh yes
[21:36] <clever> Michelle_G: make just runs gcc for you
[21:36] <muriani> make is just a system to build using a compiler of the author's choosing
[21:36] * Tenkawa runs standard debian so he can't speak to raspbian
[21:36] <clever> yep
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[21:36] <Michelle_G> clever: so gcc is already installed in Raspbian?
[21:36] <muriani> apt-get install build-essentials will typically install everything you need for building/compiling
[21:37] <clever> Michelle_G: yeah, but its an armv6 only gcc
[21:37] * Tenkawa likes armhf debian on his pi2's
[21:37] <muriani> Tenkawa: any drawbacks to going straight jessie?
[21:37] <Michelle_G> clever: so what is a girl to do?
[21:37] <muriani> lack of gpu support, etc
[21:37] <clever> Michelle_G: depends on if you really need armv7 support
[21:37] <Tenkawa> muriani: not that I've found.. I run unstable too on some
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[21:38] <clever> Michelle_G: you can just use the armv6 compiler and run armv6 code on the pi2
[21:38] <Tenkawa> mine are headless so the gpu doesnt bother me
[21:38] <Michelle_G> clever: if I was going to go to the trouble of compiling an app, wouldn't it want to make use of the armv7?
[21:39] <clever> Michelle_G: depends on what the app is doing
[21:39] <Tenkawa> yeah a lot of apps dont need some of the minute changes
[21:39] <muriani> I wonder how much retropie would benefit from armv7
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[21:39] <muriani> well
[21:39] <muriani> actually it builds for cortex-a15
[21:39] <muriani> the retropie scripts
[21:40] <Tenkawa> muriani: I'm pondering working on tuning handbrake for the pi2
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[21:40] <muriani> so in my case there's not much benefit
[21:40] <muriani> it's already being done
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[21:40] <Tenkawa> see if it becomes acceptable performamce
[21:40] <Tenkawa> muriani: oh?
[21:40] <Tenkawa> where
[21:40] <Tenkawa> ?
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[21:40] <Tenkawa> havent seen any src/bin's
[21:40] <muriani> in the retropie build scripts
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[21:41] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[21:41] <muriani> if you get the retropie installer package, there's a script that has all the build arguments, and for the rpi2 it builds for cortex-a15
[21:41] <Tenkawa> oh those I know
[21:41] <muriani> since a7 is the same isa
[21:41] <Michelle_G> clever: I've never compiled before. I'm just learning and if I can learn a single method, it might make it easier for my tiny brain to grasp
[21:41] <Tenkawa> I thought you meant a specific set of handbrake packages
[21:42] <muriani> oh
[21:42] <muriani> no I was talking abot retropie, that's what I do most with these :P
[21:42] <Tenkawa> Michelle_G: my suggestion is start simple then tune
[21:42] <clever> Michelle_G: throw some c code into test.c, then run 'gcc test.c -o test'
[21:42] <clever> and boom, its compiled
[21:42] <Tenkawa> dont worry about the opt yet
[21:42] <muriani> Michelle_G: basically install raspbian, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[21:42] <muriani> download a source package of what you want to install
[21:42] <Tenkawa> agreed
[21:42] <muriani> and follow its instructinos
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[21:43] <Tenkawa> gnu packages are really good about readme/install instructions usually
[21:43] <muriani> typically ./configure, make, make install at the simplest
[21:43] <Tenkawa> and they are a great way to learn the methodolgies
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[21:44] <Michelle_G> muriani: would that method make use of the Armv7 features?
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[21:44] <alicemaz> Everyone starts small Michelle_G~ It's just a skill you acquire and hone with practice, like any other :3
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[21:45] <Michelle_G> alicemaz: maybe I'm over my head already just trying to get OwnCloud to work
[21:45] <clever> Michelle_G: there is no armv7 compiler on rasbian, so it will only use armv6 features
[21:45] <clever> you would need to install a cross compiler, and maybe rebuild all of the system libs, which is NOT 'starting small'
[21:45] <Michelle_G> clever: is it possible to install an armv7 compiler on a Pi 2 running Raspbian?
[21:46] <muriani> Michelle_G: no, but it may not make that much of a difference for OwnCloud.
[21:46] <muriani> Michelle_G: you'd have to rebuild all of raspbian for armv7
[21:46] <muriani> you'll still get the quadcore capabilities as it is, etc
[21:46] <Michelle_G> muriani: I understand that there is a special version of Raspbian that I'll have to dd install when the Pi 2 arrives
[21:47] <clever> nope
[21:47] <clever> normal rasbian
[21:47] <muriani> the easiest thing to do, is use NOOBS
[21:47] <clever> thats why they left it with armv6
[21:47] <clever> one rasbian to rule them all
[21:47] <Tenkawa> clever: why I'm happy to stay with debian
[21:47] <muriani> format your card to fat32, copy the NOOBS installer files over, and boot it up
[21:48] <Michelle_G> clever: but doesn't that install a bunch of other stuff that just installing wheezy wouldn't have?
[21:48] <clever> Michelle_G: yeah, things you will want like GPU drivers
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[21:49] <muriani> I recommend using the noobs minimal installer, it just requires you have your pi2 plugged into network
[21:50] <Michelle_G> clever: I see. I had wheezy installed on a Pi I'm messing around with now (headless) while learning Linux so maybe I didn't miss the lack of GPU support
[21:50] <muriani> it'll download and install whatever you pick from the list, as well as handle multiboot if you want to install more than one OS.
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[21:50] <clever> Michelle_G: yeah, when headless you wont even need the gpu stuff
[21:51] <Michelle_G> clever: but my goal here is to use the Pi 2 for Kodi and OwnCloud so I'm sure Kodi will need the GPU stuff
[21:51] <muriani> yeah, it will
[21:52] <Michelle_G> muriani: so I'll have to plug it into a router/switch then rather than use the wifi adapter I am using now
[21:53] <nfk> muriani, noobs is harder to use than dd, imo
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[21:53] <nfk> the only downside is that if you cock up with sudo dd, you can do it big time
[21:53] <muriani> nfk: if you're not handy with terminal then noobs > *
[21:53] <Michelle_G> Geez...look what a mess I caused. Sorry
[21:53] <muriani> Michelle_G: no worries
[21:54] <Tenkawa> Michelle_G: questions are good
[21:54] <muriani> personally if I'm gonna install one of the officially supported OSes, I'd just drop noobs on the card and let it do its thing
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[21:54] <Michelle_G> muriani: I don't want to be a pain in the butt on my first visit here
[21:55] <muriani> Like Tenkawa said, questions are good
[21:55] <muriani> questions are how we learn
[21:55] <Michelle_G> You guys are all great
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[21:55] <muriani> heck, I lurked in #beagle for months before even getting a beagleboard, just so I could absorb everything
[21:55] <Tenkawa> thank you .. its no problem at all and hope it helps others
[21:55] <clever> i read the whole AVR datasheet a few times before buying one
[21:56] <Tenkawa> muriani: you ever see me over there
[21:56] <Tenkawa> ?
[21:56] <muriani> I might have
[21:56] <muriani> haven't been there in ages
[21:56] <muriani> this was back in... 09?
[21:56] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[21:56] <muriani> I still have my C3
[21:56] <Michelle_G> muriani: maybe I should've done the same instead of jumping in here and stirring things up. But, I'm so excited to get my new Pi I couldn't contain myself
[21:56] <muriani> printed up a little sled for it
[21:56] <Tenkawa> nice
[21:56] <muriani> Michelle_G: it's all good
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[21:57] <muriani> keeps the channel active lol
[21:57] <Michelle_G> lol
[21:57] <Tenkawa> yup
[21:57] <muriani> now wtf is UPS
[21:57] <Tenkawa> activity is good
[21:57] <muriani> they're usually here at 2:30
[21:57] <Michelle_G> Seemed nice and quite before I showed up
[21:57] <muriani> and it's almost 4
[21:57] <Tenkawa> ouch
[21:57] <Tenkawa> ive seen them out today here
[21:58] <muriani> normally mail is 11:30-noon, and UPS is 2:30~ish
[21:58] <muriani> got my USPS packages already, just waiting for my dang backpack
[21:59] <nfk> do i need some magic to get pubkey auth working with raspbian?
[21:59] <Michelle_G> Ok, you guys...is it asking too much to make the Pi 2 serve up some video while running OwnCloud in the background?
[21:59] <muriani> nfk: no more magic than normal, I think?
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[21:59] <muriani> Michelle_G: eeeeeeeeeeh maybe
[21:59] <nfk> according to ssh manpages my current sutup should already prefer pubkeys before resorting to passwords
[21:59] <muriani> depends on the video
[21:59] <muriani> nfk: check permissions
[21:59] <nfk> muriani, i'm pretty sure i have applied all the magic
[21:59] <nfk> right
[21:59] <muriani> those are the biggest pubkey killers I see
[22:00] <Tenkawa> uggh i wish the snow would stop.....
[22:00] <muriani> check /var/log/secure.log to see why it's not letting you in
[22:00] <nfk> muriani, looks fine
[22:00] <nfk> only user can rw
[22:00] <Tenkawa> after being 70 the other day this is just annoying
[22:00] <Michelle_G> muriani: I've converted my DVD collection to m4v's and was running a laptop running iTunes to watch'em and figured I'd lower my electric bill using a Pi instead
[22:01] <nfk> muriani, it's enough to have my pub key in the authorized_keys, right?
[22:01] <Tenkawa> Michelle_G: hehehe I do that too
[22:01] <muriani> Michelle_G: if it's just pushing them out it should be alright
[22:01] <muriani> remember that the eth on the pi2 is only 100mbit, and it's USB like the pi1
[22:01] <muriani> nfk: yeah
[22:02] <Tenkawa> although now I'm trying to move my transcoder too to one/more of my pi2s
[22:02] <nfk> muriani, actually, does it even have ed25519 support
[22:02] <nfk> ?
[22:02] <Tenkawa> thats going to be a lot more challenging
[22:02] <muriani> oh
[22:02] <muriani> uuuuuuuuuuh
[22:02] <muriani> nfk: nfc
[22:02] <nfk> i see it has ecdsa host keys but it does not even support ssh -Q key
[22:02] <Tenkawa> (at least to get any kind of performance)
[22:02] <muriani> it may not
[22:02] <muriani> you may have to rebuild openssh
[22:02] <Michelle_G> muriani: I was going to put the videos on an external hard drive connected to the Pi and just have it do its thing to play them. What could I ask of Kodi that would over task the Pi?
[22:02] <muriani> Tenkawa: ouch, yeah
[22:03] <nfk> which makes me suspect it might not dig my cool eliptic curves
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[22:03] <nfk> muriani, can i curse debian more than usual?
[22:03] <muriani> Michelle_G: oh, if you're just using kodi to play off local storage, it should be fine
[22:03] <alicemaz> Hehe I'm getting into the same mindset Michelle_G, I got mine like a week ago just so I could run a few bots with cron and now I'm like "I want this machine to do everything!!"
[22:03] <Tenkawa> muriani: yeah.. i use a quad intel cpu to do it currently
[22:03] <nfk> wait, my kubuntu works just fine
[22:03] <muriani> Tenkawa: my plex machine's a dualcore i3 with HT
[22:03] <nfk> even ssh --version does not work, i'm not impressed
[22:03] <Tenkawa> muriani: i REALLY want to shut that box down though
[22:03] <muriani> freaking rocks
[22:04] <Michelle_G> alicemaz: sorry 'bout that
[22:04] <muriani> it's a surprisingly useful little box now
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[22:04] <Tenkawa> muriani: I'm trying to go all arm except one of my notebooks
[22:04] <alicemaz> Sorry? :o Nono I am sharing yr enthusiasm haha
[22:04] <Tenkawa> yes I'm weird
[22:04] <muriani> I didn't get the pi1 because it was just not quite enough, and the pi2 really pushes all the right price/performance buttons for me
[22:04] <muriani> Tenkawa: eh
[22:05] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: weird in a GOOD way
[22:05] <Tenkawa> muriani: indeed
[22:05] <Tenkawa> that the rpi2 made a huge leap
[22:05] <Tenkawa> Michelle_G: thanks... its been my way for a long time
[22:05] <Michelle_G> What do you guys think will be the greatest leap with the Pi 2?
[22:06] <Tenkawa> Michelle_G: too many possibilities to name in my opinion
[22:06] <Michelle_G> multitasking perhaps?
[22:06] <muriani> quadcore and cortex-a7 are the biggest
[22:06] <Tenkawa> I am extremely happy.. thats why I want more of them
[22:06] <muriani> the updated core, and multiprocessing
[22:06] <muriani> gig of ram is nice
[22:06] <Michelle_G> muiani: what apps will benefit most from that do you think?
[22:06] <nfk> muriani, yep, ecdsa works, ed25519 does not
[22:06] <muriani> heck, it's almost as good as my damn VPS
[22:06] <Tenkawa> sata support on a future model would be huge...
[22:07] <muriani> Tenkawa: oh you're just dreaming now
[22:07] <muriani> gigE support as well
[22:07] <Tenkawa> muriani: yeah I know
[22:07] <muriani> while we're at it :P
[22:07] <muriani> and 64bit!
[22:07] <Tenkawa> muriani: just think how that would change home computing
[22:07] <muriani> and not broadcom!
[22:07] <muriani> :P
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[22:07] <Tenkawa> muriani: 64 bit probably will happen at some point out of necessity
[22:08] <muriani> yeah, I'm expecting it
[22:08] <muriani> not too much benefit on something this small IMO
[22:08] <muriani> until we start getting more ram
[22:08] <Tenkawa> I'm already hesitant to put 32 bit windows on any more of my windows boxes
[22:09] <Tenkawa> worried when 32 bit finally gets deprecated
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[22:09] <Codica> Would it be possible to have multiple displays on a single pi?
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[22:09] <Michelle_G> muriani: I'm not sure if you answered this already, but where do I find information about installing noobs automagically?
[22:09] <muriani> the only 32bit machines I have are my backup NAS, and my G4 amig^H^H^H^Hmacs
[22:09] <Codica> I guess not because the pins would be in ise
[22:09] <Codica> use
[22:09] <Tenkawa> working 64 bit windows on a baytrail intel box is tough too
[22:09] <muriani> Michelle_G: hm, I dunno about automagicvally
[22:09] <muriani> it's a mildly interactive process
[22:09] <muriani> Tenkawa: yeah
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[22:10] <muriani> you need to chainload 64bit efil loader
[22:10] <Tenkawa> muriani: it can be done though
[22:10] <Tenkawa> got 10 tech preview on one
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[22:10] <Tenkawa> oh wait.. it mightve been the 32 bit one
[22:10] <Tenkawa> this linux box (same hardware) is 64 bit though
[22:11] <Tenkawa> using one file change in the efi section
[22:11] <Tenkawa> nice and simple
[22:11] <alicemaz> Michelle_G: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
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[22:13] <alicemaz> Depending on yr needs it might be easier to just put Raspbian on the SD card? I haven't actually used noobs so I'm not sure what it entails (since you said you're running headless)
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[22:13] <Codica> I actually am headless right now
[22:13] <Codica> didn't get to grabbing a screen yet
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[22:14] <Codica> just grab raspian and ssh
[22:14] <Codica> you wont be able to go to the GUI
[22:14] <Codica> but you can do all the terminal things
[22:14] <Michelle_G> muriani: sorry...UPS guy just delivered it. Yea!
[22:14] <alicemaz> Like I just put Raspbian on the card with dd, put it in the slot, ssh'd in and set everything up there
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[22:14] <Codica> alicemaz: yup
[22:14] <muriani> dangit where's my UPS guy!?
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[22:15] <Codica> eating a pi
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[22:15] <surprise-l0ve> hiii
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[22:15] <ppq> maybe he decided to be his own UPS guy in the feature. a free man.
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[22:16] <Michelle_G> muriani: was it bad form for me to say that? ;-)
[22:16] <alicemaz> I mostly just use it for coding stuff so I'll prolly leave it as-is, if anything it's good cli practice :P
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[22:18] <Tenkawa> bbl
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[22:19] <Michelle_G> Tenkawa: Thanks again
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[22:19] <Tenkawa> no problem at all.. good luck
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[22:20] <Michelle_G> Has anybody found a need to use a heat sink on their Pi?
[22:20] <ShorTie> nop
[22:21] <surprise-l0ve> some people buy without reason tho
[22:21] <shiftplusone> people who are wrong and people who leave them in direct sunlight without ventilation in a desert.
[22:21] <shiftplusone> in the latter case, they are still wrong because the heatsink doesn't help without ventilation.
[22:22] <McBride36> the heat sink just in general isn't needed
[22:22] <Michelle_G> Mine is gonna be under my TV out of sunlight
[22:22] <McBride36> it makes it look cool
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[22:22] <shiftplusone> no it doesn't >_<
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[22:22] <shiftplusone> it's as cool as a cardboard bodykit on a scooter.
[22:22] <Michelle_G> McBride36: you bet
[22:22] <McBride36> uh dude, it totally adds at least three cool points
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[22:23] <McBride36> if you add blinky lights, it's another two cool points
[22:23] <muriani> it already has blinky lights!
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[22:23] <muriani> I haven't put one on, but I do OC to 1GHz (because why not) and I use a vented case
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[22:24] <McBride36> yeah, air circ is more important than a heat sink
[22:24] <muriani> the hottest I've seen it get is about 64C
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[22:25] <shiftplusone> though it is kind of interesting seeing the case design process for the ISS pi (where cooling will actually matter)
[22:25] <muriani> eh?
[22:26] <ozzzy> they should just mount it outside and run a cable through the wall
[22:26] <shiftplusone> heh, yeah, they have drills up there
[22:26] <ozzzy> yep
[22:27] <ozzzy> and some silicone to plug the hole
[22:27] <muriani> Yup!
[22:27] <muriani> It's not rocket science.
[22:27] <ozzzy> nope
[22:28] <Milenko> Codica
[22:28] <Milenko> Can I help you?
[22:29] * Codica rolls over and barks
[22:29] <Milenko> Random ass version request lol
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[22:36] <Codica> Would it be possible to have multiple displays? I guess not because the pins would be in use but who knows
[22:36] <Codica> (On one pi)
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[22:38] <alicemaz> Hm. Would anyone happen to know if using a dynamic dns service is like, safe? As in, if I want to ssh into my Pi from an external network and I use a ddns service in lieu of a static public ip, and for whatever reason they decide to Be Evil and connect me to some other server, am I sending them sensitive info or just junk they'd have to decrypt? :x
[22:38] <alicemaz> (Obv I'd be authenticating with keys rather than password)
[22:38] <muriani> you're just sending pubkey I think
[22:38] <ShorTie> changing off of port 22 is the most important
[22:38] <muriani> so it shoulnd't be too bad
[22:39] <muriani> and install/configure fail2ban
[22:39] <alicemaz> Mmk
[22:39] <ShorTie> if your gonna open ssh up to net
[22:39] <alicemaz> And yea, change port fail2ban no root login no password login etc
[22:41] <ShorTie> port is most important, the rest might be nice but they are not gonna scan every port on you looking for a ssh connection
[22:43] <alicemaz> Okies yea that makes sense
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[22:43] <muriani> HAH UPS finally made it
[22:44] <alicemaz> Yay!
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[22:46] <Froolap> and there was much rejoicing.
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[22:49] <muriani> actually there is much disappointment :(
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[22:50] <muriani> I thought I'd found a replacement for a leather backpack I used to have, and it turns out this one is similar in design, but very much not the same :(
[22:50] <muriani> significantly smaller, for one thing
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[22:52] <muriani> it's good leather though.. maybe I'll keep it and give it to one of the kids
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[23:17] <shadeslayer> could someone provide instructions about what https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware is?
[23:17] <shadeslayer> or how to use it?
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[23:18] <ozzzy> if you want to update the firmware run rpi-update
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[23:20] <nfk> what are my options if i want to try raspberry pi gui over network? ssh -Y is as expected not going to cut it - the stupid protocol
[23:20] <shadeslayer> ah
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[23:21] <ozzzy> nfk, I use tightvnc
[23:21] <Encrypt> nfk, Why do you even need a GUI? :p
[23:21] <nfk> just because i want to try it?
[23:22] <Encrypt> nfk, If you want to access to your files, you could mount the remote filesystem using SFTP
[23:22] <Encrypt> But if you really want to try the Pi GUI remotely... it will be hard :/
[23:22] <ozzzy> tightvnc
[23:22] <ozzzy> works a treat
[23:23] <nfk> ozzzy, btw, what exactly is firmware to raspberry pi? it looks like it's doing stuff with kernel
[23:23] <ozzzy> nfk, the chip has firmware
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[23:24] <Ryccardo> it's what runs on the GPU on boot (which, in a relatively weird design, dominates over the CPU)
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[23:25] <nfk> Ryccardo, ozzzy, so it's kept on some eeprom?
[23:25] <ozzzy> nfk, it's kept on board
[23:25] <Ryccardo> no, it's loaded from the boot partition every single time
[23:26] <nfk> that firmware is rather unfirm
[23:26] <ozzzy> ah right
[23:26] <ozzzy> it's on the SD
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[23:27] <nfk> btw, if i'm only be doing video encoding but no GUI, i can safely give GPU mere 16 MB of RAM, right?
[23:27] <Ryccardo> it should be start.elf
[23:27] <ozzzy> yep
[23:28] <ozzzy> does the video encoding software use the gpu?
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[23:28] <Ryccardo> depends on whether it's hardware accelerated
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[23:29] <nfk> ozzzy, Ryccardo, firmware upgrading also upgraded kernel which before then did not have any updates when i did dist-upgrade - isn't it a bit weird to have firmware include the kernel
[23:29] <nfk> ?
[23:29] <nfk> MemTotal: 380780 kB
[23:29] <nfk> this is model b+, what is going on?
[23:30] <Ryccardo> there's some degree of interaction, for firmware+kernel compatibility
[23:30] <ozzzy> nfk, it's included in the update.... not in the kernel
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[23:31] <nfk> ozzzy, i hope you meant not in dpkg repo
[23:31] <ozzzy> if you run rpi-update
[23:31] <nfk> anyway, what's up with my RAM?
[23:31] <ozzzy> that sounds right
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[23:31] <nfk> how?
[23:31] <nfk> it's supposed to have 512 MB RAM
[23:31] <ozzzy> 512 total... 380 available
[23:31] <ozzzy> yep
[23:32] <shadeslayer> so what I need are step by step instructions on how to make the bootloader partition
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[23:32] <shadeslayer> and then how to ship the opengl files
[23:32] <nfk> and 16 MB is allocated to GPU, but where's the rest of of over 100 MB?
[23:32] <nfk> ozzzy, MemTotal should be the total memory of the system not free memory
[23:32] <space-gh0st> I just bought http://www.amazon.com/NEEWER%C2%AE-Camcorde-Compatible-camcorders-Panasonic/dp/B0088LIQ18/ref=pd_sim_e_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1YY3J0JXA3H4WWMN4S81 to connect my raspberrypi to an old RCA television but for some reason I'm not getting any output on the TV?
[23:33] <Ryccardo> does `free -m` agree?
[23:33] <nfk> yes, 371 MB
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[23:33] <ozzzy> what you think it 'should' be and what it is differ
[23:33] <nfk> so it's 387-VRAM
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[23:33] <nfk> it should be 512-VRAM
[23:34] <Ryccardo> space-gh0st: try swapping red and yellow, there are at least 3 standards for 4-pin jack to rca cables
[23:34] <nfk> give or take an MB
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[23:34] <space-gh0st> Ryccardo: I know, I looked it up online but that didn't work either
[23:35] <Ryccardo> space-gh0st: experiment 2 -- (get alligator clips and) swap signal and ground of yellow
[23:35] <Ryccardo> connected to yellow port
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[23:36] <space-gh0st> Ryccardo: I'm sorrry but I do not know what you mean by swap signal and ground of yellow, can you be more descriptive?
[23:37] <Ryccardo> with paperclips or the like, connect "pin" of yellow plug to "barrel" of yellow socket, "barrel" of plug to "hole" of socket
[23:38] <ozzzy> nfk, the Pi2 has 1G with 750ishM available
[23:38] <nfk> this is B+
[23:39] <nfk> but again, where does that memory go?
[23:39] <nfk> i understand that some is used for VRAM and on PC for BIOS and stuff but honestly, where can over 100 MB go on an ARM system?
[23:39] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org:8080/cgi-bin/showEnv
[23:40] <nfk> it's missing about two thirds of the memory my Nokia has
[23:40] <nfk> ozzzy, yes, i trust you there's some missing, i'm asking why it's not available
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[23:41] <Codica> Would it be possible to have multiple displays? I guess not because the pins would be in use but who knows
[23:41] <dashed> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf doesn't exist on my raspbian build
[23:41] <Codica> (B+)
[23:41] <dashed> anyone know what I need to get this file?
[23:42] <Ryccardo> dashed: `nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf` :)
[23:42] <Codica> Am I secretly quieted? :p
[23:42] <nfk> Codica, no
[23:42] <Codica> kek
[23:42] <dashed> Ryccardo: ? I said it doesn't exist
[23:43] <nfk> i just have no idea what to answer
[23:43] <Codica> nah, there's no +z set so I'd know if I was quieted
[23:43] <ali1234> actually it is possible to have multiple displays, you just can't use composite and HDMI at the same time because they share encoder hardware
[23:43] <Ryccardo> dashed: correct, it'll open a new file that you can fill with whatever you want!
[23:43] <nfk> Codica, i suppose KVM (not the virtualisation tech) can handle analogue signals
[23:43] <nfk> but if you asked about digital, it gets kinda murky
[23:43] <Codica> Hmm
[23:44] <ali1234> the compute module can drive up to three displays simultaneously
[23:44] <nfk> you can get HDMI splitters of dubious legality but god help you if the two displays are not identical because only one can send it's edid and it will apear as a single screen
[23:44] <nfk> so the other either works with what it gets or fubar
[23:44] <Ryccardo> dashed: when you see any "/etc/*.d" folder, you can generally add arbitrary files to it and they'll be all used (often in alphabetical order, and requiring a specific extension)
[23:44] <nfk> send your appreciations to holywood
[23:44] <Codica> nfk: but you can't use ones that connect to pins instead
[23:45] <Codica> like that TFT from adafruit
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[23:45] <dashed> Ryccardo: hmm... I'm sorta following some tutorial to change some values in that file. I sorta expected it to just exist with default settings.
[23:45] <nfk> i have no idea about that
[23:45] <nfk> this is my first day with raspberry pi and i'm working with a headless system
[23:45] <Codica> Like this one https://www.adafruit.com/products/2315
[23:46] <ali1234> you can use an almost unlimted number of those
[23:46] <ozzzy> nfk, with the B+ I don't know... with the 2 it's a kernel issue which has been fixed I'm told(if I ever update)
[23:46] <Ryccardo> Codica: at least for the Hitachi chipset text displays, you can wire a truckload of them in parallel only needing an extra selection pin for each, I guess they can be adapted to work similiarly
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[23:46] <Codica> ali1234: hmmm, but the pins are is use then, aren't they
[23:46] <ali1234> raspberry pi has a lot of pins
[23:46] <nfk> ozzzy, i did update the firmware but it was at 384 MB both before and after the update
[23:46] <Codica> that's true
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[23:47] <Ryccardo> dashed: link pls, but generally you can copy the appropriate rows in an arbitrary file
[23:47] <ozzzy> nfk, only the Pi 2
[23:47] <nfk> only 2 has the bug or only 2 got fixe?
[23:47] <nfk> +d
[23:48] <dashed> Ryccardo: http://plugable.com/2014/11/06/how-to-switch-to-usb-audio-on-raspberry-pi
[23:48] <ozzzy> only affects the 2
[23:48] <ozzzy> kernel only recognizes 750ish
[23:48] <Codica> This design uses the hardware SPI pins (SCK, MOSI, MISO, CE0, CE1) as well as GPIO #25. All other GPIO are unused and are available on a 25-pin long breakout line.
[23:48] <nfk> that's BS
[23:48] <Codica> Can I use multiple then?
[23:49] <ali1234> yes
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[23:49] <ozzzy> nfk, that's life
[23:49] <Codica> mmm
[23:49] <Ryccardo> dashed: create that file, type in →→→options snd-usb-audio index=0 [RETURN] options snd_bcm2835 index=1←←←
[23:49] <nfk> ozzzy, T_T
[23:49] <nfk> wasn't raspberry pi for kids?
[23:49] <dashed> Ryccardo: I should point out that I upgraded to jessie
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[23:49] <nfk> this channel is outright adults only
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[23:50] <dashed> unsure if that matters
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[23:50] <Ryccardo> nfk: it's indeed for your inner child
[23:51] <Tenkawa> brb
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[23:51] <Ryccardo> dashed: I believe the modprobe logic hasn't changed
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[23:52] <dashed> That's what I would suspect.
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[23:53] <ozzzy> nfk, kids? dunno.... but they're fun
[23:53] <dashed> What I'm trying to prototype is capture audio input from usb (via audio jack adapter) and then output (stream) the audio to another usb port
[23:53] <Ryccardo> dashed: are you going to never use integrated audio anymore? (at least on this OS installation)?
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[23:54] <nfk> alright, getting late, night and thanks for being so patient with me
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[23:54] <dashed> Ryccardo: what do you mean?
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[23:54] <Ryccardo> dashed: do you need audio output over hdmi or integrated speaker port?
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[23:55] <dashed> oh.. to a usb device
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[23:56] <dashed> hmm... but the device I'm working with won't be recognized as an audio device.
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[23:57] <Ryccardo> hm?
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