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IRC Log for 2015-03-29

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[0:04] <waveform> Warbird, sure - I used to run mediatomb on a Pi in my girlfriend's flat - worked very nicely
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[0:07] <Firestarman> I want to run a server to prove shell accoutns for people, anyone here know how i could go about that?
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[0:07] <Firestarman> provide shell accounts, even.
[0:08] <Ryccardo> on paper it's easy -- run sshd, forward the port, create users...
[0:08] <Firestarman> on paper
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[0:10] <Ryccardo> well, those 3 points are exactly how I did it
[0:11] <Ryccardo> but I didn't need to optimize it for 50 simultaneous users or stuff like that
[0:11] <ShorTie> i'd change out the port 22 though
[0:12] <Froolap> and make certain you got your firewall set up and know more about security than any or your users.... People will love the invitation to do things that they shouldn't.
[0:14] <clever> one thing to keep in mind, they may have unlimited access to your LAN
[0:15] <clever> so you are basicaly inviting people to plug their computer into your network and do nasty things to every other pc in the building
[0:15] <Froolap> unless you really know wht you are doing.
[0:15] <clever> yeah, you would need to either configure iptables to block most outgoing to the lan, or setup 2 lans
[0:15] <Froolap> lots of people willing to pay 6 dollars per month for the chance to break your computer. I mean have a shell.
[0:16] <clever> whenever i setup ssh for somebody to use git, i set their shell to /usr/bin/git-shell so they cant actualy get a shell
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[0:30] <Warbird> ozzzy, doesn't appear to work. From their website: "The perfect client companion to the Plex Media Server, "
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[0:32] <ozzzy> don't ask me.... I don't use a pi for much of anything
[0:32] <ozzzy> eventually it'll be a media centre I think... but for now it's just wasting power
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[0:35] <niston> Firestarman: this going to be a public service?
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[1:05] <Chillum> Hello
[1:05] <Chillum> Is it true that exposing the RPi2 to bright light can cause strange behaviour? I have a stack of 5 of them and only the one on top is acting funny
[1:05] <Chillum> like memory corruption type stuff
[1:06] <Chillum> is there a particular part I should cover with black tape?
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[1:13] <Sonny_Jim> Chillum: Yes, in a sense
[1:13] <Sonny_Jim> A flash from a Xenon bulb directed on a bare Pi2 PCB will cause it to reset
[1:13] <Chillum> so could lesser amounts of light cause corrupt ram?
[1:14] <Chillum> or perhaps under powering it could cause that?
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[1:14] <Sonny_Jim> Or rather, because one of the components in the PSU section wasn't capped properly, it makes the PSU go a bit screwy
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[1:14] <Sonny_Jim> No, it has to be a very bright light
[1:14] <Sonny_Jim> And a particular kind
[1:14] <Sonny_Jim> A laser won't trigger it, for example
[1:14] <Chillum> Could low amperage be causing my memory problems?
[1:14] <taza> Yes.
[1:14] <Sonny_Jim> What is you memory problem?
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[1:14] <Sonny_Jim> And a Pi2 will put a rainbow square in the corner when it detects a bad PSU
[1:15] <Chillum> seem like ram is being corrupted, random errors and such
[1:15] <Sonny_Jim> Paste an example to pastebin
[1:15] <Chillum> it is headless, is there a command line way to see if it has bad power?
[1:15] <taza> An underpowered PSU can easly do that though
[1:15] <taza> * easily
[1:15] <Chillum> it is different each time
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[1:15] <taza> Far easier than light
[1:15] <Sonny_Jim> Well, let's see an example
[1:15] <Chillum> I am running all 4 cores at 100% for hours
[1:16] <Chillum> for example a file that is cached in ram will appear to be gibberish but when I flush the disk cache it goes back to normal
[1:16] <Chillum> I am building a compute cluster
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[1:17] <Sonny_Jim> How are you checking the file in RAM?
[1:17] <Chillum> The cable on the one failing is very thin and cheap. It might not be moving enough amps
[1:17] <Chillum> will switch with another and see if the problem moves
[1:17] <Chillum> Sonny_Jim: linux caches files in ram
[1:17] <Sonny_Jim> Shit, really?
[1:17] <Sonny_Jim> Had no idea
[1:17] <Sonny_Jim> /sarcasm
[1:17] * Sonny_Jim goes to bed
[1:18] <Froolap> What if you don't have any ram, only sheep?
[1:18] <Chillum> electric sheep?
[1:18] <Froolap> blade runner
[1:18] <Chillum> ypu
[1:18] <taza> Sounds like my dreams.
[1:18] <taza> Now if you excuse me, I have to pay my bitcoin miner so my fridge will restock
[1:18] <Froolap> great movie, one of my favorites
[1:20] <taza> Ach, can anyone lend me a dollar for the door?
[1:20] <Chillum> ah, I am reading that cheap usb cables give only about 500mah, I think that is my problem
[1:21] <SLAiNTRAX> yeah
[1:21] <SLAiNTRAX> 18AWG cables
[1:21] <SLAiNTRAX> nice stuff
[1:24] <Chillum> aw geez they are all long. I want really short cables as I have am going for a 16 pi stack
[1:24] <Chillum> ah found a good one
[1:26] <Chillum> 1.6ft 28/24 A male to micro B male, $2... sounds too good to be true
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[1:27] <Chillum> 1 amp per Pi should be enough right? I am looking at a 16 port usb power supply that gives 2 amps to each 2 ports
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[1:28] <Chillum> my rig so far: http://images.highinbc.com/PiClusterDisplay.jpg
[1:28] <Chillum> just 5 now but soon 16
[1:28] <Chillum> the one with the L shaped plug is failing, the thinest
[1:30] <Chillum> yup, now the other pi I moved the cable too is failing. I have isolated the problem. Thanks for the information!
[1:31] <Chillum> The Pi is performing admirably, it is the infrastructure that failed
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[1:54] <Criminalised> Hi guys
[1:55] <Criminalised> Is there a way to connect to the pi on first boot without keyboard?
[1:55] <Criminalised> I've just got it and realised my keyboard is ps/3
[1:56] <Criminalised> ps/2 i think
[1:56] <Criminalised> If I connect it to the router via ethernet will I be able to use SSH over network
[1:57] <PixelFilth> ssh is not enabled by default
[1:57] <Criminalised> damn
[1:57] <Criminalised> that answers that
[1:58] <Criminalised> will have to wait for a usb keyboard then
[1:59] <Criminalised> Thanks PixelFilth. One other thing
[1:59] <Criminalised> Will an S3 charger suffice as power supply?
[1:59] <buZz> how many mA output does it have
[1:59] <Criminalised> Haven't checked
[3:00] <buZz> easy to do so
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[3:00] <Criminalised> it is
[3:00] <buZz> its listed on the charger
[3:00] <Criminalised> But my phone is a delicate one
[3:00] <Criminalised> If i move the charger it stops charging
[3:00] <Criminalised> will have to wait
[3:01] <Criminalised> 700 approx
[3:01] <Criminalised> output 5v
[3:02] <Criminalised> it'll do
[3:02] <buZz> for pi1 it should be fine
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[3:02] <Criminalised> pi2
[3:02] <buZz> if you dont add too many usb devices
[3:02] <buZz> pi2 uses more power ..
[3:02] <Criminalised> What's recommended/
[3:02] <Criminalised> ?
[3:03] <buZz> probably listed on the website
[3:03] <taza> 2A
[3:03] <taza> Pi2 oughta survive 700mA, but don't expect to connect anything
[3:03] <taza> Also, it depends on the image if SSH is enabled by default
[3:03] <buZz> or perform heavy math :D
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[3:04] <Criminalised> raspbian
[3:04] <taza> Raspbian has dozens of images, some have SSH by default, some don't
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[3:04] <Criminalised> well the one that comes with it apparently
[3:05] <Criminalised> My first use
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[3:05] <Criminalised> Really excited but cautious as you can probably tell
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[3:23] <Criminalised> taza
[3:23] <Criminalised> Still here?
[3:24] <taza> yerp
[3:24] <taza> wut
[3:24] <Criminalised> good good
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[3:24] <Criminalised> As a fresh install, what os can be used which has ssh on by default
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[3:25] <Criminalised> And will i be able to access it once connected via ethernet(i.e. DHCP by default)
[3:26] <taza> Take it to #raspbian honestly
[3:26] <Criminalised> k
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[3:38] <cstk421_> running sakis3g and keep getting error failed to connect. anyone fix this before ?
[3:39] <cstk421_> wvdial is a no go as well
[3:41] <Stevie-O> greetings, mortals
[3:42] <Stevie-O> My new Pi 2B (or not 2B?) seems unwilling to depart from the strange resolution of 1776x952
[3:43] <Stevie-O> I found some pages that talked about disabling overscan; I did that, but the issue persists
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[3:44] <Chillum> I have not tried the Pi2 with a tv yet
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[3:45] <Chillum> (hdmi)
[3:45] <Stevie-O> well I have :)
[3:45] <Stevie-O> that's all I had available (all the monitors are in use)
[3:45] <Stevie-O> also it works pretty well although epiphany has some weirdnesses with youtube
[3:45] <Stevie-O> oh and if anybody wants to note it
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[3:47] <Stevie-O> I have a Logitech mk270 wireless kb/mouse receiver *and* a Tenda W311MI wireless adapter plugged directly into the Pi (no externally-powered hub) and working fine
[3:47] <Stevie-O> So that's cool
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[4:34] <jaggz-> I can't find a B 2.0 board model.. to design a case
[4:35] <Xark> jaggz-: Google finds -> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-68118/l/raspberry-pi-model-b-dimensions
[4:36] <Xark> Oh, wait B+...
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[4:36] <d3jake> o/ Xark Fancy meeting you here :D
[4:36] <jaggz-> I'd prefer a 3d model too.. designing in 3d in blender
[4:36] <Xark> jaggz-: That is probably a lot harder to find.
[4:36] <Xark> d3jake: Hello. :)
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[4:37] <jaggz-> yeah.. I see them on so many pages, for presentation, sales, etc. but not for the actual model itself.. just the 3d rendering
[4:38] <Xark> jaggz-: Hmm, seen http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=36483
[4:38] <jaggz-> I think I just found it.. on grabcad
[4:38] <jaggz-> looked for hours, then one slightly different search and...
[4:38] <Xark> Cool, also http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/9934/is-there-an-accurate-3d-cad-model-of-the-version-b-board
[4:38] <jaggz-> we'll see.. need to sign up to grabcad
[4:38] <jaggz-> oh wow, xark
[4:39] <Xark> jaggz-: Yeah, that looks promising. :)
[4:39] <jaggz-> I wonder which versions will work in blender
[4:39] <jaggz-> will see
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[5:35] <cheesenbiscuits> Hi Everybody
[5:36] <cheesenbiscuits> I'm setting up an always on file-server and I'm running into a problem where my hard-drive isn't auto-mounting with fstab.
[5:36] <cheesenbiscuits> when the Pi boots up, I get a 'mounting local filesystems... mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist'.
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[5:37] <cheesenbiscuits> but when I run: 'sudo fdisk -l' I can see the hard-drive
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[5:38] <d3jake> cheesenbiscuits:
[5:38] <cheesenbiscuits> I'm using the command: '/dev/sda1 /media/USBHDD1 auto noatime 0 0' to automount my ntfs drive
[5:38] <cheesenbiscuits> sorry, fstab command
[5:38] <d3jake> Hm...
[5:39] <cheesenbiscuits> I think that the new pi2 is too quick for my slow old removable drive.
[5:40] <cheesenbiscuits> Should I try a delay on the automount to allow the external drive time to spin-up?
[5:40] <d3jake> That'd be my guess. I wish I knew more about Linux :/
[5:42] <cheesenbiscuits> hmmm...
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[5:47] <cheesenbiscuits> anybody else got some ideas?
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[6:00] <cheesenbiscuits> I think I've fixed the problem. FYI: add 5 secounds boot delay to your raspberrypi to give the drive time to spin up.
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[6:01] <cheesenbiscuits> ADD: "rootdelay=5" to /boot/cmdline.txt
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[6:18] <giddles> hm has here someone experience on google drive?
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[6:38] <GoClick> If I want to write a GUI app (2D only) for a Pi using Python which involves a fair amount of sliding transparent png files around over top of each other what's my best bet?
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[6:39] <giddles> hm i cant help bit i need a howto install gdrive :)
[6:39] <giddles> from github
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[6:42] <GoClick> Said GUI requires circular gauges made of various overlapping transparent png files and
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[6:55] <ali1234> GoClick: once you introduce transparency and arbitrary rotations you are in GPU territory
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[6:58] <giddles> hm
[6:58] <giddles> is there more to do to download something from github?
[6:59] <clever> ?
[6:59] <giddles> i want to install gdrive .. following this tut: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/gdrive-simple-google-drive-cli-client.html
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[7:00] <giddles> im too dumb to get what is /usr/local/bin/ and howto apt-get install the file :)
[7:01] <clever> just run the build-all script
[7:01] <giddles> and where can i find that?
[7:01] <clever> oh wait, its already build
[7:01] <giddles> https://github.com/prasmussen/gdrive/blob/master/README.md
[7:02] <giddles> Save the 'drive' binary to a location in your PATH (i.e. /usr/local/bin/)
[7:02] <giddles> must i mkdir /local/bin/
[7:02] <giddles> ?
[7:02] <clever> ah there, see downloads?
[7:02] <giddles> yes
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[7:02] <giddles> i copyed the link
[7:03] <clever> just download the linux rpi file, and save it to /usr/local/bin
[7:03] <giddles> wont work
[7:03] <clever> why wont it work?
[7:03] <clever> it always gives an error saying what went wrong
[7:03] <giddles> yes filename wrong
[7:03] <giddles> and /usr/local/bin wrong
[7:03] <giddles> :)
[7:03] <giddles> ok so i must first mkdir?
[7:03] <clever> yes
[7:03] <giddles> user = pi?
[7:04] <clever> root must own that dir
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[7:04] <giddles> i have no root
[7:04] <giddles> :) i have only sudo
[7:04] <GoClick> ali1234: Well it's not optional. I have to have rotating transparent images
[7:04] <clever> sudo mkdir /usr/local/bin/
[7:04] <clever> GoClick: you need the 3d core to get any real performance when rotating a lot of images
[7:04] <giddles> ok
[7:05] <giddles> cant make file, its existing
[7:05] <giddles> next step
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[7:05] <clever> copy drive to /usr/local/bin/
[7:05] <GoClick> clever: I never said a lot. At most 5 images of no more than 1024x1024 in a 240x240 window
[7:05] <giddles> theres the cake
[7:05] <giddles> i need to download it from the shell :D
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[7:05] <ali1234> GoClick: that's still a lot for a CPU
[7:05] <giddles> i dont have acess to a browser or something else
[7:06] <clever> GoClick: 1024x1024 is a lot, and the frame rate makes it multiply more
[7:06] <ali1234> especially if you want it to run fast and look decent, and not blocky
[7:06] <clever> giddles: what is your local system?
[7:06] <giddles> windows
[7:06] <clever> giddles: use winscp to copy files into the pi
[7:06] <giddles> :/
[7:06] <giddles> so other way to bring this file on pi?
[7:07] <GoClick> ali1234: clever: so do I have any options then for GPU accelerated image shuffeling in Python on RPi?
[7:07] <giddles> with some gui it would be more easy.. but its hardware mounted..
[7:07] <ali1234> GoClick: use opengl or something higher level that wraps it
[7:07] <clever> giddles: winscp copies the file over the network
[7:07] <clever> giddles: it uses the exact same connection that ssh uses
[7:07] <giddles> thats clever one second
[7:07] <GoClick> ali1234: would Kivy do that do you know?
[7:08] <ali1234> GoClick: yes, it says it uses opengl-es2 which is perfect for pi
[7:09] <GoClick> ali1234: The question then is… does anyone actually use Kivy because it doesn't seem very popular. I see lots of "I tried Kivy" blog posts and not much past that
[7:09] <giddles> ok i opened winscp
[7:09] <giddles> which protocol?
[7:09] <ali1234> i've never used it but i've heard good things about it
[7:09] <clever> scp
[7:10] <giddles> wow
[7:10] <giddles> :D
[7:10] <giddles> it works
[7:11] <giddles> ok the file is zipped
[7:11] <giddles> should i extract it before copy?
[7:12] <clever> that would make things simpler
[7:12] <giddles> oh no winrar..
[7:13] <clever> windows has zip support built into it
[7:14] <giddles> hm its not accepted for winrar :/
[7:15] <giddles> hmk i think its not zipped, im a dau
[7:15] <giddles> next step
[7:16] <giddles> lol damn
[7:16] <giddles> is there a scp sudo command?
[7:17] <giddles> winscp tell me permission denied
[7:17] <clever> copy it to somewhere else
[7:17] <clever> somewhere you have access to
[7:17] <clever> then use normal sudo cp to copy it again
[7:17] <giddles> ah ok
[7:18] <giddles> so its in /home/pi
[7:18] <clever> then just ssh in and sudo cp -vi /home/pi/drive /usr/local/bin/
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[7:20] <giddles> hm
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[7:20] <giddles> not included
[7:20] <giddles> :/
[7:20] <clever> not included??
[7:20] <giddles> one second
[7:21] <giddles> done
[7:21] <giddles> „/home/pi/drive-linux-rpi“ -> „/usr/local/bin/drive-linux-rpi“
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[7:21] <clever> that looks normal
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[7:22] <clever> now try just running 'drive-linux-rpi'
[7:22] <giddles> no install=
[7:22] <giddles> ?
[7:22] <d3jake> Anyone here have the error of "No devices detected when attempting to run X on archlinux ARM?
[7:22] <clever> you may have to make it executable first
[7:22] <clever> giddles: sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/drive-linux-rpi
[7:22] <giddles> thanx
[7:23] <giddles> ok
[7:23] <giddles> ill start it
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[7:23] <giddles> hm no command...
[7:24] <clever> /usr/local/bin/drive-linux-rpi
[7:25] <clever> what happens if you just run this?
[7:25] <giddles> nice
[7:25] <giddles> now i must follow a link with my browser
[7:25] <giddles> im doing thins on windows machine
[7:26] <giddles> wow i think its done
[7:26] <giddles> :D
[7:26] <giddles> thanks for this kind of higclass support
[7:26] <clever> :)
[7:27] <giddles> if i want to upload something like wput useing command gdrive upload %f ?
[7:27] <clever> never used it, so i dont know
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[7:31] <giddles> ok
[7:31] <giddles> but it seems to work
[7:31] <giddles> thank you!
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[7:33] <giddles> i get invalid arguemnts while uploading :/
[7:34] <giddles> Usage: drive-linux-rpi [global options] <verb> [verb options] -_>
[7:34] <giddles> its the help data :/
[7:34] <giddles> hm
[7:35] <clever> upload is one of the verbs
[7:35] <clever> https://github.com/prasmussen/gdrive/blob/master/drive.go#L107
[7:36] <clever> you can just read the source to see how it works
[7:36] <giddles> what could be the code if i want to upload to google drive : drive-linux-rpi --f /usr/local/bin/drive-linux-rpi
[7:36] <giddles> k
[7:36] <clever> just -f not --f
[7:38] <giddles> so as example when i got this right "drive-linux-rpi upload -f /user/bin/drive-linux-rpi"
[7:38] <clever> yeah, something like that
[7:40] <giddles> hm everytime error opening xyz. no such file or directory
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[7:41] <clever> you mis-spelled usr in the example, and the file is in /usr/local/bin not /user/bin/
[7:41] <d3jake> Anyone here have the error of "No devices detected when attempting to run X on archlinux ARM?
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[7:42] <giddles> drive-linux-rpi upload -f home/pi/ocr-pi.png
[7:42] <clever> you forgot the / at the start
[7:42] <giddles> drive-linux-rpi upload -f /home/pi/ocr-pi.png
[7:42] <giddles> Error: open /home/pi/ocr-pi.png: no such file or directory
[7:43] <clever> and does that file actualy exist? ls -lh /home/pi/ocr-pi.png
[7:43] <giddles> yes
[7:43] <clever> paste the output that ls gives when ran like above
[7:43] <giddles> damn
[7:43] <giddles> it was perfect#
[7:43] <giddles> :D
[7:43] <giddles> sorry
[7:43] <giddles> - instead of _
[7:43] <giddles> wow
[7:43] <giddles> :D
[7:43] <giddles> it works
[7:44] <giddles> Uploaded 'ocr_pi.png' at 2.9 KB/s, total 5.8 KB
[7:45] <clever> i'm off to bed now, goodnight
[7:45] <giddles> thanks!
[7:45] <giddles> wow
[7:45] <giddles> problem solved ;)
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[10:30] <d3jake> I can't start X on my rPi running archlinux ARM. It complains that I don't have a display attached (which is true, I'm runnign headless). How do I set my rPi up to run X when there isn't a monitor/TV anywhere near it?
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[10:44] <AfterDarkness> hello
[10:45] <AfterDarkness> is the model A+ appropriate for hosting a webpage in the local network and possibly only
[10:45] <AfterDarkness> online*
[10:48] <shiftplusone> depends
[10:48] <AfterDarkness> only i will be using it
[10:48] <AfterDarkness> so not much traffic
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[11:00] <swiss> AfterDarkness: A+ doesn't have networking, does it?
[11:00] <nefarious> no Ethernet, no
[11:00] <AfterDarkness> hmmm
[11:01] <AfterDarkness> ill cancel my order then lol
[11:01] <AfterDarkness> ill get the new ver 2 b
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[11:08] <d3jake> Not to figure out how to set up a script to update my rPi every wday
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[12:34] <unimatrix9> hell all
[12:34] <unimatrix9> hello
[12:34] <unimatrix9> *
[12:34] <david89> Hello. Where is the cheapest place to get a raspberry shipped to italy?
[12:34] <unimatrix9> sorry for the type error, though it is kind of funny...
[12:35] <unimatrix9> david89, dont they have it in a store ?
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[12:35] * ShorTie thinkz, just for you Tenkawa, added the usb current hack to my_pi_os, lol.
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[12:36] <david89> unimatrix9: not sure, never seen it
[12:36] <AfterDarkness> david89, go to element14 and click on order it will show u the local stores that have it
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[12:37] <unimatrix9> can i add an rightclick to the file manager to eject usb drive ?
[12:37] <unimatrix9> seems that , at the moment , i woudl just have to pull it out, there seems to be no other option to safe unmount the usb drives ?
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[12:38] <AfterDarkness> unimatrix9, what is the folder explorer u r using?
[12:39] <unimatrix9> pcmanfm
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[12:41] <AfterDarkness> doesn't pacmanfm has an eject icon right next to the volume?
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[12:42] <unimatrix9> mine does not have it , no
[12:42] <unimatrix9> yours does ?
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[12:44] <AfterDarkness> i dont have a pi but i use ubuntu on my pc and it has it. I am assuming there is no difference in this case
[12:45] <unimatrix9> yeah , i have ubuntu desktop as well, and it looks different
[12:45] <ShorTie> 'apt-get install eject -s' might help
[12:46] <unimatrix9> i have eject installed , so thats not it
[12:47] <unimatrix9> ah got it
[12:48] <unimatrix9> by default it does not show "locations" ..
[12:48] <unimatrix9> so you have to check locations in settings
[12:48] <AfterDarkness> nice
[12:48] <unimatrix9> then it does show up the correct way
[12:48] <unimatrix9> thanks for helping sorting it out , cool !
[12:48] <unimatrix9> :)
[12:50] <unimatrix9> i have the newer raspberry pi 2 running, its much faster then the older version, almost a real desktop ..
[12:50] <unimatrix9> :)
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[12:50] <AfterDarkness> i ordered one today
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[12:50] <AfterDarkness> i need it for a project
[12:51] <unimatrix9> what are you planning to do , if i may ask ?
[12:52] <AfterDarkness> just a uni project. it will control a solenoid valve and host a webpage
[12:53] <unimatrix9> cool project ..
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[12:54] <unimatrix9> we have a simular project, this week presentation : pi running webpage of project ( nginx flat html )
[12:55] <unimatrix9> and usb driving a robot arm with python script and wii remote
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[13:45] <unimatrix9> the raspbian desktop shows settings, wich is mounted at boot, can i hide that media somehow ?
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[13:50] <shiftplusone> setting mounted on boot? are you using the NOOBS card that came from element14/farnell without re-installing? This isn't related to your question, but you might have a broken install.
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[13:58] <shiftplusone> Hmm... I suppose you meant mounted when it boots, rather than mounted on /boot.
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[14:05] <shiftplusone> What the hell? Just went to install windows in a VM, but it turns out that I can't use the license which came with the PC. "Product Key is "injected" onto the computer motherboard at the factory, and the installation and activation processes refer to the BIOS of the computer to verify authenticity and activate Windows. No Windows Product Key is otherwise provided or needed by the customer."
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> Yuo
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> *Yup
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> That's part of the UEFI BIOS thingy
[14:07] <shiftplusone> That's.... terrible.
[14:07] <Xark> shiftplusone: Hmm, https://windorks.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/licensing-a-dell-oem-virtual-machine/
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> It should be illegal tbh, a software license should be per machine, not a specific motherboard
[14:08] <shiftplusone> Xark: title looks promising
[14:08] <Xark> Hehe, "Windorks". :)
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[14:11] <shiftplusone> Xark: nope, won't work... The laptop didn't even come with a COA sticker. It's just a Dell reinstall cd without any MS product key.
[14:12] <Xark> shiftplusone: You can extract that info I believe.
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[14:12] <shiftplusone> To be honest, the problem is already resolved, but it would've been nice to do it the 'right' way.
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[14:13] <shiftplusone> Just wanted to vent my belated outrage.
[14:13] <Xark> :)
[14:14] <Xark> This is why I only run Linux VMs. :)
[14:15] <shiftplusone> Unfortunately, sometimes, I require windows. =(
[14:15] <Xark> Yeah, me too (but I don't run it in VMs).
[14:16] <shiftplusone> Hm
[14:16] <shiftplusone> I was running a windows host with linux guests, but virtualbox started locking up and I decided to switch things up.
[14:17] <shiftplusone> Seemed a bit silly to run a windows host if I spend most of the time in a VM.
[14:17] <Xark> Yeah. I have multiple systems.
[14:17] <shiftplusone> makes sense
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[14:18] <Xark> VMs have their place, but the always annoy me (and are never "transparent" in my experience).
[14:18] <Xark> they*
[14:18] <shiftplusone> transparent in what way?
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[14:22] <Xark> Screwing up something. :)
[14:22] <Xark> USB, audio, ethernet, GPU (always something). :)
[14:23] <shiftplusone> ah
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[14:24] <shiftplusone> usb seems to work well enough nowadays (except for when it doesn't)
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[14:43] <Tenkawa> hi all
[14:43] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> hi
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[14:46] <Tenkawa> do you know if any of the parts companies sells emmc modules standalone?
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[14:56] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: thanks..
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[16:16] <Skirmant> hey guys, if I use a 5V 2A power supply will my pi consume 10W at all times?
[16:17] <ozzzy> depends on what you have hooked to it, how loaded the cpu/gpu are etc.
[16:18] <ozzzy> power supplies don't 'push' current the device 'draws' current
[16:18] <Skirmant> oh cool, thanks :)
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[16:56] <giddles> good day
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[17:01] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[17:01] <giddles> :-)
[17:02] <giddles> raspi no1 helping channel :) thank you ppl @ yesterday night gdrive installation
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[18:28] <giddles> hm
[18:28] <giddles> multiple commands, hotwo?
[18:28] <giddles> like wput -xy ... & gdrive
[18:28] <giddles> -xy
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[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> giddles: &&
[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> On & puts it in the background
[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> *One
[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> Two &'s means "Wait for the command to complete successfully"
[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> So:
[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> sleep 1&& echo "Finished"
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[18:31] <Sonny_Jim> Would wait one second, then print finished
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[18:32] <Chillum> Sonny_Jim: && means to run the second command only if the first command succeeded
[18:33] <Chillum> & means to run the command in the background
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[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> Chillum: Err, isn't that exactly what I just said?
[18:33] <Sonny_Jim> Oh, I suppose not, your wording is better
[18:33] <Chillum> you did not say only
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[18:33] <Chillum> was just making sure you got it
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[18:34] <Chillum> sry I thought you were asking not answering. It is early for me
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[18:34] <Sonny_Jim> np
[18:35] <Sonny_Jim> Haven't smoked a chillum in years...
[18:35] <Chillum> that is what I need!
[18:35] <giddles> thanx
[18:35] <giddles> &&
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[18:51] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, anybody in here good with their grep-fu?
[18:51] <Sonny_Jim> I want to grab some text between two markers on a line
[18:52] <Sonny_Jim> Ah it seems sed would be a better choice
[18:53] <ozzzy> or awk
[18:53] <ozzzy> or just bash
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[18:57] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I have a line full of stuff that looks like this:
[18:57] <Sonny_Jim> <a href="http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?gid=3788&amp;puid=34561">10th Inning</a>
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[18:57] <Sonny_Jim> And I just want to grab the name (10th inning)
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[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> sed -n "/34561\">/,/<\/a>/p" unfortunately prints the whole line
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[19:01] <ShorTie> grep 10 | cut -d" " | awk '{print$1}')p1 maybe
[19:01] <ShorTie> oops, grep 10 | cut -d" " -f1 | awk '{print$1}')p1 maybe
[19:03] <Sonny_Jim> Unfortunately the file is one big line, rather than having newlines :\
[19:03] <Sonny_Jim> So I don't think using grep will work
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[19:05] <pksato> normaly I parse/render html before extract data from.
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[19:08] <ozzzy> $var=`echo -n "$input | tr \">\"";echo ${var:0:12}
[19:08] <ozzzy> or something
[19:08] <ozzzy> er... "" should be " and there should be a ` at the end
[19:09] <ozzzy> lemme run it LOL
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[19:09] <shauno> you can use multiple seperators in awk, | awk 'BEGIN { FS="<|>" } ; { print $3 }'
[19:12] <Sonny_Jim> But all of these solutions rely on a multiline file, right?
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[19:14] <ozzzy> split the file into lines first on a specified char
[19:14] <ozzzy> or at least into fields
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[19:15] <shauno> something like http://pastebin.com/wkzR9J8y
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[19:16] <shauno> the first part (sed) breaks <a into a newline, so links are always at the start of a line. the second part (grep) fishes out the links you want, and the third (awk) part pulls the field from the link
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[19:16] <Sonny_Jim> tbh, I might just knock up a quick C file to do it for me
[19:17] <Sonny_Jim> At least it'll be a good way for me to brush up on my C string handling
[19:17] <Sonny_Jim> Thanks for the pointers though guys!
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[19:23] <ozzzy> strtok is your friend
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[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> Heh, the current problem is that line is 1.3MB wide ;-)
[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> I guess I could setup a very long string
[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> The other option was to run Beautiful Soup on it
[19:24] <ozzzy> where's it come from
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[19:24] <Sonny_Jim> I don't have the URL, but it's the complete machine listing from the Internet Pinball Database
[19:25] <Sonny_Jim> www.ipdb.org
[19:25] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.ipdb.org/lists.cgi?anonymously=true&list=games
[19:25] <ozzzy> are you reading it in in a lump or char by char
[19:25] <Sonny_Jim> I haven't got that far, but I might just read the whole line into a string and use strtok
[19:26] <ozzzy> the database comes in with no line breaks?
[19:26] <Sonny_Jim> Check the page source for the link I pasted
[19:26] <Sonny_Jim> It's one big line
[19:26] <ozzzy> split it on "<br>"
[19:28] <ozzzy> char *str_replace(char *orig, char *rep, char *with)
[19:28] <ozzzy> so replace all the "<br>" with "\n" (or whatever)
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[19:28] <ozzzy> then strip out the HTML and compress multiple spaces
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[19:36] <Sonny_Jim> There's no <br> tags ;-)
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[19:44] <ozzzy> how's it showing line breaks in the html then
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[19:45] <ozzzy> ahhh... tables
[19:45] <ozzzy> so split it on </tr>
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[19:46] <Sonny_Jim> Ah right your are
[19:46] <Sonny_Jim> Err
[19:46] <Sonny_Jim> Right you are
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[19:56] <shauno> how about http://pastebin.com/URcifGWe ?
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[19:57] <ozzzy> once you've got line breaks throw sed at it to strip the rest of the html tags
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[20:00] <Sonny_Jim> I ended up with this
[20:00] <Sonny_Jim> http://pastebin.com/SWzfjAhi
[20:01] <Sonny_Jim> Seems to work
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[20:04] <eggy> Jo
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[20:11] <Smashcat> Hi, anyone know how to convert the logarithmic values for amixer volume to linear values? Currently I have to specify volume from -10239 to 400 . Would prefer 0 to 100
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[20:31] <chamunks> I can't seem to find documentation on how to prepare a SD card for the Rpi 2 B, via OS X
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[20:31] <chamunks> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/broadcom/raspberry-pi-2 doesn't supply an img for arch
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[20:33] <chamunks> Would anyone have a link to a tutorial for this?
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[20:34] <pksato> chamunks: fow now, use same imagem and precedure to rpi 1 on rpi2.
[20:35] <chamunks> pksato the last time I did it I used ApplePi-Baker
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[20:35] <chamunks> Using os X is making me a bit lazy but if you drop me a link maybe to the recommended method I will follow that.
[20:35] <chamunks> I've been digging for about an hour to no avail.
[20:35] <pksato> very similar to linux, use dd.
[20:36] <chamunks> dd from inside of the tar.gz?
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[20:37] <pksato> no, is a system command line tool
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[20:38] <pksato> or use ApplePi-Baker
[20:38] <shauno> dd won't help, they're providing a tarball of the rootfs instead of a disk image
[20:38] <chamunks> shauno thanks I apparently failed to explain that.
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[20:39] <pksato> humm... ah... ok. arch...
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[20:39] <chamunks> I really don't mind something else, I really just want a headless OS
[20:39] <stephg> evening, is anyone around to help with a PEBCAK Jessie Pi2 btrfs prob I could use a fresh pair of eyes :)
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[20:40] <kallisti5> does this physical memory map look correct for the Pi 2?
[20:40] <kallisti5> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wKm4VVM6w25gqKP1GlJmESt8sj8oETZDpPYb86vld2c/edit?usp=sharing
[20:42] <pksato> chamunks: you need a tools/drivers to macosX use ext5 file system. and other unix tools, like tar.
[20:42] <pksato> ext4
[20:42] <chamunks> Can't be this difficult to do this from osX
[20:42] <pksato> or, boot a VM with some linux.
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[20:43] <shauno> it pretty much is, unfortunately. there's no ext2/3/4 drivers. you can't do it from windows either.
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[20:44] <shauno> my preferred solution would be to stick to raspbian until the arch guys pull their heads out of its anatomical quandary.
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[20:45] <chamunks> shauno is there a way to install raspbian with no graphical desktop?
[20:45] <pksato> httpdss://fuse4x.github.io/
[20:45] <pksato> chamunks: just not start GUI.
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[20:46] <chamunks> fair
[20:46] <pksato> change on rasp-config to text only interface.
[20:47] <Jusii> chamunks: google raspbian ua netinst
[20:47] <chamunks> Jusii thanks I'll do that.
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[20:48] <chamunks> I appreciate everyones time and effort on this. I'm kind of sad that I can't keep playing with arch but realistically it saves me time using a debian deriv
[20:48] <Jusii> well if you have card reader and another sdcard, you can make that arch sdcard from raspbian
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[20:49] <Jusii> in, within, or what's the correct way to say it
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[20:51] <pksato> is possible to use same SD card to boot some simples linux (busybox) and install arch fs.
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[21:10] <chamunks> pksato that sounds scary and exciting.
[21:14] <pksato> In fact, arch guys need to release that tool.
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[21:44] <Criminalized> hi guys
[21:44] <Criminalized> couple of things
[21:44] <Criminalized> Raspberry pi flicering on setup screen
[21:44] <Criminalized> *flickering
[21:44] <Criminalized> memory card speed not abvove 1.4mb/s
[21:44] <Criminalized> *above
[21:45] <Criminalized> It's taking ages because of this(I installed noobs)
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[21:45] <Criminalized> Is this normal or should i have it replaced?
[21:45] <ppq> sounds normal, most sds are slow
[21:46] <Criminalized> On windows this same memory card was transferring at 4.00mb/s
[21:46] <Criminalized> 1.4 on pi
[21:46] <Sonny_Jim> That's to be expected
[21:46] <Criminalized> How about screen flicker? HDMI works fine everywhere else
[21:46] <Sonny_Jim> Tried it on a different TV?
[21:46] <Criminalized> No
[21:46] <Criminalized> But no other connections on tv flicker
[21:47] <Criminalized> Just with Pi
[21:47] <Criminalized> It is only on setup screen still
[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> Tried a different cable?
[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> Is the cable unusually long?
[21:47] <Criminalized> Kind of
[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried any other screen resolutions?
[21:47] <Criminalized> No option yet
[21:47] <Sonny_Jim> Have you looked at the wiki for display problems?
[21:47] <Criminalized> Installing it at the momoent
[21:47] <Criminalized> *moment
[21:47] <Criminalized> wanting to know if it will improve once installed?
[21:48] <Criminalized> No, came straight here
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[21:48] <Criminalized> it's not flickering drasticallyt
[21:48] <Criminalized> *drastically, but enough to give you a headache
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[22:33] <Phil_Markham> Hi all. I'm having a problem with epiphany-browser & playing audio in webpages (HTML5 videos). After a period of time, usually after playing 3 or 4 videos, it is unable to play further videos. I get an error in the processes' STDERR saying "AL lib: alsa_open_playback: Could not open playback device 'default': Device or resource busy". If, while the browser is still running, I can play the video with sound in omxplayer
[22:34] <Phil_Markham> I dont have any additional sound hardware on the pi. I'm just trying to use audio via HDMI
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[22:37] <shiftplusone> Sounds like a bug report for collabora would be good. Don't know where to file one though.
[22:37] <GoClick> Hopfully I'll get some different answers today, can anyone recommend a GUI framework or something else for making an app for RPi that involves rotating and sliding overlapping transparent images (eg png or svg) within a window? Qt has been eliminated as a choice at this time.
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[22:38] <GoClick> The GUI doesn't actually need to be interactive, it's just displaying information on industrial equipment
[22:39] <GoClick> It just needs to happily update itself showing certain bits of information which have to be displayed in incredibly specific ways to emulate electromechanical devices in use on the existing equipment
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[22:45] <Phil_Markham> so iceweasel, kweb & kweb3 all seem to struggle to play large embedded html5 videos. Presumably they're not using the GPU whereas epiphany does. Epiphany seems to have an issue with the sound device which makes it unstable. Is there a way to make iceweasel/kweb/something else use the GPU to render videos so I can see if I can get more stability out of soemething else?
[22:46] <chamunks> Setting up raspbian-wheezy for the pi2b theres an overclock preset.
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[22:49] <chamunks> I dont really want to overclock at all, I simply just want it to run at its native speed. Do I have to play with this setting?
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[22:52] <celesteh> I'm trying to set up my Pi as a captive portal. I found and used a script to set it up as a bridge (http://blog.sip2serve.com/tagged/RTL8188CUS ). However, clients can only log on to the wifi access point when the pi is plugged in to my regular router. The setup also seems to be ignoring my dnsmasq settings and iptable rules. I really want it to work disconnected from the larger internet, so this is not going as well as I'd hop
[22:52] <celesteh> ed. Any suggestions would be welcome
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[22:59] <waveform> GoClick, it's not really a GUI framework as such but if all you need to do is rotate and slide images around, pygame is probably worth looking into
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[22:59] <waveform> (or if that's primarily what you need to do)
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[23:02] <waveform> chamunks, the Pi 2 is overclocked by default anyway - it started out at 800Mhz and the foundation found they were "being conservative" on the frequency so they upped it to 900Mhz by default. In other words, don't worry about overclocking (up to 900Mhz should be absolutely fine - above that, it'll most likely be fine, but no guarantees)
[23:03] <chamunks> Okay great, I just don't want to end up tweaking something I shouldn't trying to fix something that isn't a problem.
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[23:05] <waveform> fair enough - basically 900Mhz is the default it ships with, so you should be good up to that point (and when it's idling it drops down to 600Mhz anyway)
[23:05] <GoClick> waveform: Is PyGame GPU accelerated such that moving around 5 1024x2014 png files is going to hose an RPi? Is it possible to make buttons in PyGame should one need to?
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[23:06] <waveform> GoClick, no idea about the GPU acceleration - I would assume no, but I don't know for sure. It's certainly possible to make buttons in it but being a game framework they basically look like whatever you paint them (obviously all the stuff I've seen done with it has been game related, so the buttons tend to be big fat colorful things!)
[23:07] <GoClick> waveform: Well big fat ham fisted buttons are perfect for industrial controls
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[23:08] <GoClick> waveform: and a lot of them have to look a particular way due to the regulations on the equipment anyways, so it's not like standard OS widgets are helpful
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[23:08] <fusa24> just got the new version of raspberry pi, I've been getting display corruption when I move a window around the desktop
[23:08] <waveform> GoClick, okay, well big colorful buttons are good then :) I can say that even something GPU accelerated is going to be pretty pushed to do 5 1024x2014 images at once - a user recently ran into an interesting issue with overlay renderers on the picamera library - let me dig out the ticket to give you an idea of limits...
[23:08] <waveform> GoClick, here we go: https://github.com/waveform80/picamera/issues/197
[23:09] <waveform> GoClick, basically in that case they found that adding 3 1080p images to the overlay system caused the HDMI output to go out to lunch because the GPU was taking too long to composite the scene for the refresh cycle
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[23:11] <GoClick> Well 3 1080p images are 6.2Mpx vs 5.2Mpx, totally different ;) hah
[23:12] <GoClick> But really only 240x240 will be output at any given time so that really should help
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[23:12] <waveform> oh, that should be do-able
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[23:13] <waveform> frankly the CPU ought to be able to manage that (and rather nicely, pygame can run outside X-windows just targetting the framebuffer - so you can ditch all that X11 overhead)
[23:14] <waveform> (hmm, actually I don't know if the Pi 1's CPU could handle 5 of such images spinning around, but the 2 should ... at least that's my hunch)
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[23:17] <waveform> of course, it can run in X11 as well - looks like adafruit have a nice little intro to pygame here: https://learn.adafruit.com/pi-video-output-using-pygame/getting-started
[23:17] <waveform> (and that intro includes targetting the framebuffer instead of X11)
[23:17] <GoClick> Holy crow really? I assumed x11 was a must
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> Nah
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> SDL2 is pretty good on the Pi, I get excellent performance now it's hardware accelerated
[23:18] <waveform> nope, X11's a must if you want it to do all the widgets and such like, but as discussed above you don't really care about that stuff - so why not ditch it and get the performance back :)
[23:19] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, didn't know we were talking widgets ;-)
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[23:20] <waveform> well, that's just it - we're not - I mentioned pygame's buttons will typically be however you draw them (typically big and colorful!) but apparently that's no big deal, so good stuff!
[23:20] <GoClick> Sonny_Jim: we aren't. The extent of my widgets are huge mashable buttons for blokes with gloves on. And not many of those.
[23:21] <GoClick> Sonny_Jim: most of my "GUI" is really just overlapping transparent images and sliding them around to make various gauges and dials that imitate some electromechanical ones to tell operators the pressure, temperture, rpm and status of thermal emitters etc. Turning a few LEDs on and off, sensing actual switches and whatnot on GPIO
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[23:21] <waveform> yeah - it really sounds like a gaming library is the sort of thing you want to play with rather than a full blown GUI toolkit
[23:22] <waveform> (I mention pygame because it's the only one I'm familiar with, but I'm sure there's others in whatever language you're happy with)
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[23:22] <GoClick> Pygame at least seems to have some users. I looked at Kivy but it doesn't seem to have many users and overkill
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[23:25] <Criminalised> Hi guys
[23:25] <Criminalised> Asked this earlier was told to do some research
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[23:25] <Criminalised> got a pi
[23:26] <Criminalised> Put it on as per the booklet instructionds
[23:26] <Criminalised> And then realised it's got this very subtle flickering
[23:26] <waveform> hmm, kivy's actually pretty popular but the few users of it I know ... well, let's just say they're not 100% happy with it (although they are doing some fairly hairy stuff with it). I wouldn't say it's a bad choice (probably worth a look if pygame doesn't pan out)
[23:26] <ali1234> pygame is just SDL
[23:26] <Phil_Markham> does anyone have any experience using kweb's command link interface? I can't for the life of me get it to work on http://localhost URLs (even with the L option)
[23:26] <Criminalised> Thought it was
[23:27] <ali1234> it can't really rotate or scale surfaces
[23:27] <Criminalised> hello?
[23:27] <GoClick> ali1234: SDL?
[23:27] <ali1234> yes, SDL
[23:27] <ali1234> not even SDL2
[23:27] <Criminalised> taza?
[23:27] <Criminalised> Are you here?
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[23:28] <waveform> Criminalised, do you know what mode it's using? (resolution and in particular, refresh rate?)
[23:28] <Criminalised> Yeah
[23:28] <Phil_Markham> is there a way to make kweb output console.log() output somewhere at least?
[23:28] <Criminalised> 1720xbysomething lol
[23:28] <waveform> GoClick, SDL's a cross platform gaming lib written in C (underlies a lot of gaming libs in higher level languages from what I understand)
[23:28] <Criminalised> thanks for reply waveform, thought i hadn't registered
[23:29] <Criminalised> or idenitifed rather
[23:29] <Criminalised> I got into raspbian
[23:29] <GoClick> waveform: thanks.
[23:29] <Criminalised> said fixed monitor waveform
[23:29] <Criminalised> No option for hz
[23:29] <Criminalised> It's a phillips lcd
[23:30] <waveform> Criminalised, don't think you can enter this channel without identifying with services. Anyway, there'll be a refresh rate somewhere though whether or not the tv'll tell you what it is will depend
[23:30] <GoClick> ali1234: You said "It can't really rotate or scale surfaces" to what was "it" refering?
[23:31] <waveform> if it's low (e.g. 50Hz) some people perceive that as flickering. Also, all interlaced modes tend to look rather flickery so it's possible it's using something like 1080i
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[23:31] <Criminalised> No
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[23:31] <ali1234> GoClick: SDL
[23:31] <Criminalised> There isn't a refresh option on raspbian
[23:31] <Criminalised> Yeah, good point
[23:31] <Criminalised> But it did this on installation
[23:31] <waveform> Criminalised, when it boots up it'll be asking the TV what modes it supports and selecting one. However, you can force it to use a particular mode by twiddling values in /boot/config.txt - there's a reference somewhere ... just a sec ...
[23:32] <Criminalised> Like on setup and once I got in, there was nothing on monitor settings that would allow me to flick through other options
[23:32] <GoClick> ali1234 does that mean pygame is out for my interface?
[23:32] <Criminalised> waveform, you're a star
[23:32] <Criminalised> I was about to send for a replacement
[23:32] <ali1234> it's not what i would use
[23:32] <Criminalised> But can you be certain that it isn't the pi itself that is at fault?
[23:33] <Criminalised> I'd rather not waste any time with it if that's the case. I ordered on Friday and received it on Saturday
[23:33] <waveform> Criminalised, pretty much - if it shows an image it's generally fine. Don't forget you're dealing with a digital system, not an analog one
[23:33] <Criminalised> I thought then it was too good to be true
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[23:33] <Criminalised> Amazon free delivery has never been quicker
[23:33] <waveform> (unless you're shoving it through a VGA adapter in which case that may well be at fault, but I'm assuming a straight HDMI connection here given you mentioned a TV)
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[23:34] <Criminalised> Yeah
[23:34] <Criminalised> HDMI that has been fine on PS3, laptop connection, etc
[23:34] <GoClick> ali1234: It's not what you would use doesn't tell me what you would. Qt just isn't an option.
[23:34] <Criminalised> I've been watching movies from kodi connected to laptop
[23:34] <ali1234> i would use opengl
[23:34] <Criminalised> I gave up too easily tbh
[23:35] <Criminalised> I should have used the other hdmi slot
[23:35] <waveform> right - when HDMI goes wrong you just get no picture - if it's flickering that's down to either the TV refresh rate being low, an interlaced mode being used, or the TV being plain broken
[23:35] <GoClick> ali1234: That's probably beyond my abilities to learn for this perpose.
[23:35] <ali1234> and i would model the gauges as vectors
[23:35] <Criminalised> TV is fine, refresh rates weren't an option and intlerace mode?
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[23:36] <GoClick> ali1234: Management has expressed a desire for the gauges to have "texture" to make them look like the electromechanical gauges they replace. Vector would be hard
[23:36] <Criminalised> I'll give it another try waveform
[23:36] <waveform> Criminalised, ah, here we go. Try running "tvservice -s" at the command line - that'll tell you exactly what mode it's using
[23:36] <waveform> (including the refresh rate)
[23:36] <Criminalised> It's just I've got a headache now from all that staring at a flickering screen
[23:36] <ali1234> i would still texture them
[23:36] <Criminalised> Genius
[23:36] <Criminalised> Star!
[23:36] <Criminalised> lol
[23:36] <Criminalised> I'll defo check that
[23:38] <GoClick> ali1234: That seems like I would end up with a lot of moving 3D parts and textures and lights. I haven't don't any 3D since I used Blender back in like 2001
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[23:38] <ali1234> yes and it would look awesome
[23:38] <GoClick> ali1234: and probably not run on a Pi
[23:39] <ali1234> it would run a lot better than rotating huge images on the CPU with pygame
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[23:39] <waveform> Criminalised, anyway, if it turns out it's using a silly mode you can force a different one by editing /boot/config.txt - the various values are documented here: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Video (hdmi_group and hdmi_mode are the important ones)
[23:39] <waveform> Criminalised, and there's a guide here to finding decent settings: http://www.opentechguides.com/how-to/article/raspberry-pi/28/raspi-display-setting.html
[23:40] <Criminalised> good info
[23:40] <GoClick> ali1234: Maybe I can just run Blender… in X… on a Pi… yeah
[23:40] <Criminalised> thanks
[23:40] <giddles> oh ppl
[23:40] <Criminalised> will check it out later, still trying to get over that headache
[23:40] <giddles> the path is hard @ work on rpi
[23:40] <Criminalised> Probably tomorrow now judging by the time we're at
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[23:42] <Criminalised> oh and waveform...forgot to add
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[23:42] <Criminalised> I've been using a samsung charger, 5v but 2.0a
[23:42] <Criminalised> *2.0A
[23:42] <Criminalised> is that too much power?
[23:43] <waveform> nope - devices will only draw the amps they need
[23:43] <Criminalised> excellent
[23:43] <muriani> PUSH ALL THE POWER TO THE PI
[23:43] <Criminalised> Means I've got enough to run several things on it
[23:43] <waveform> that said, plenty of chargers claim to provide so many amps and then can't in practice - but you should be fine with something claiming to be 2A (the margin on such things isn't 50%!)
[23:43] <ali1234> waveform: except for LEDs and lithium ion batteries :)
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[23:43] <waveform> ali1234, fair point ;)
[23:44] <Criminalised> anyways lads
[23:44] <Criminalised> time to give it another crack
[23:44] <Criminalised> One quick piece of advice needed
[23:44] <GoClick> ali1234: Realistically being that I'm not terribly mathmatically incline, is OpenGL with Python even going to be an option for this?
[23:44] <Criminalised> Can I get openelec right from the raspberrypi
[23:45] <Criminalised> *raspbian
[23:45] <ali1234> GoClick: it's no harder than doing it any other way
[23:45] <GoClick> ali1234: and that I don't know C, and the bulk of my job isn't programming?
[23:45] <muriani> you can install kodi onto raspbian, I'm sure
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[23:45] <muriani> openelec is its own distro
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[23:45] <muriani> or I may be misunderstanding the question
[23:46] <Criminalised> Yeah
[23:46] <Criminalised> but i installed noobs
[23:46] <Criminalised> And i presumed it'd have openelec on there
[23:46] <waveform> noobs these days has raspbian built in (so it can install it without a network connection) but I think to install anything else it requires a network connection at installation time
[23:46] <Criminalised> by the way I'm new to linux too, quite new that is
[23:46] <waveform> (done in order to keep noobs down to a vaguely reasonable size)
[23:46] <Criminalised> Yeah
[23:47] <Criminalised> It only allowed me to install scratch and raspbian
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[23:47] <Criminalised> But extraction took ages
[23:47] <Criminalised> 1.4mb/s
[23:47] <Criminalised> It was painstakingly slow
[23:47] <waveform> as for installing openelec from within raspbian - as mentioned above, that's a whole distro so no: you won't be able to install that from within Raspbian. But you can certainly install kodi/xbmc (the application) within raspbian
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[23:47] <waveform> 1.4Mb/s is pretty good for what it's doing
[23:47] <muriani> Criminalised: huh. I used the noobs minimal installer and it had the options from openelec installation as well
[23:47] <Criminalised> Exactly
[23:47] <Criminalised> I was surprised myself
[23:47] <muriani> I might recommend that, but it requires a network connection
[23:48] <waveform> Criminalised, it'd be faster writing the image as a whole because that's doing a straight forward sequential write across the whole device. But the Raspbian install will be writing a shed load of little files all over a file-system - that's a *lot* more complicated so it'll be proportionally slower
[23:49] <Criminalised> yeah
[23:49] <Criminalised> it's what I intend to do next
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[23:49] <giddles> kodi is nice
[23:49] <giddles> :)
[23:49] <waveform> (as for it taking ages - it ain't that long - I remember installing OS/2 from floppy disks - *that's* a long install!)
[23:49] <giddles> even youtube works
[23:49] <Criminalised> Kodi is king
[23:50] <Criminalised> OUCH!
[23:50] <giddles> :D
[23:50] <Criminalised> mindraped
[23:50] <giddles> well better as samsung smart tv
[23:50] <Criminalised> Just thinking about floppies is torture
[23:50] <Criminalised> I remember them games installations
[23:50] <giddles> thats torture
[23:50] <waveform> OS/2 came on a stack of about 30 ... <shudder>
[23:50] <Criminalised> 12 disks for some of the 'good' ones
[23:51] <Criminalised> I think it used to cost more for the storage than the actual game itself
[23:51] <Criminalised> And then backing each disk up....AAAAARGH!
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[23:51] <waveform> anyway, must go concentrate on picamera for a bit - see you all later!
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[23:52] <Criminalised> see ya waveform
[23:52] <Criminalised> and thanks
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