#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-03-31

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:04] <skmp> hello everyone. I'm using rapi2 w/ latest drivers from rpi-update, and i'm having some major gpu performance issues. I'm not sure if it's the gpu being too weak, my code being bad, or both. Any ideas how I can investigate?
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[0:06] <skmp> by "performance issues" I mean "it drops from 20 fps to 4"
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[0:38] <theblindghoulie3> still no one here, eh?
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[0:40] <ShorTie> there are a few
[0:43] <theblindghoulie3> has anyone built the arcade coffee table?
[0:45] <theblindghoulie3> window show 2
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[1:17] <Tenkawa> evening all
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[1:27] <Tenkawa> waveform: that tvservice switch should do the trick.. thanks again
[1:30] <waveform> you're welcome :)
[1:31] <Tenkawa> all the wattage back I can get back for the ports the better
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[1:33] <Cessna1090> i changed my mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list to "deb http://mirror.cogentco.com/debian/ wheezy main contrib"
[1:33] <Cessna1090> now after a apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade, it shows there's some 600+ packages that need to be upgraded
[1:33] <Tenkawa> what was it before?
[1:34] <Tenkawa> your sources.list line
[1:34] <Cessna1090> whatever the default/stock one
[1:34] <Tenkawa> were you running from that same mirror?
[1:35] <Tenkawa> reason I ask is that I want to make sure you didnt change distribs.. or even versions
[1:35] <Cessna1090> had very very slow speeds from the 'stock' mirror, so ran "sudo netselect-apt -c US wheezy"
[1:36] <Cessna1090> me too :)
[1:36] <Tenkawa> what did you install originally?
[1:36] <Tenkawa> raspbian, debian, ?
[1:36] <Cessna1090> raspbian
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[1:37] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
[1:37] <Cessna1090> whatever 'http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest.torrent' was pointing to at the time (someotime last month)
[1:37] <Tenkawa> is that url above a raspbian mirror?
[1:37] <Cessna1090> probably not now that u point that out
[1:37] <Tenkawa> that looks more like traditional debian
[1:37] <Cessna1090> ah
[1:37] <Cessna1090> i thought wheezy implied raspbian
[1:38] <Tenkawa> wheezy is in both I think
[1:38] <Tenkawa> "checking"
[1:39] <Tenkawa> yeah wheezy is debian too
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[1:39] <Tenkawa> current 7.x branch
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[1:41] <Tenkawa> I myself actually run "debian" on my rpi2's with special kernels
[1:42] <Cessna1090> what adventagous to doing that?
[1:42] <Cessna1090> advantageous*
[1:42] <Tenkawa> for some none, for others it varies
[1:43] <Tenkawa> if you are just starting I'd advise going with whatmost others are
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[1:48] <Cessna1090> is there an equivalent to the 'yum fastest-mirror' plugin for rpi?
[1:48] <Cessna1090> rather, apt-get on rpi
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[1:51] <shay_shay> hello I am trying to get a camera module working, I have it working on raspbian but it wont work on ubuntu/slackware/debian with the same kernel
[1:51] <shay_shay> i noticed the modes were different on some gpio pins with wiring pi, so I switched them all using sysfs
[1:52] <shay_shay> I'm using vcgencmd get_camera to detect the module
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[1:53] <shay_shay> it says supported=0 detected=0
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[2:03] <Bilby> muahaha
[2:03] <Bilby> I just opened my garage door with a browser
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[2:08] <Bilby> Still need to figure out a way to get past that initial hiccup when the thing boots
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[2:25] <giddles> hello
[2:26] <giddles> i could solve my google drive problems by reinstalling raspbian ;)
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[2:49] <ali1234> hmm... dc motor inrush current is tripping my battery protection ic
[2:55] <atomi> how much faster is the rpi2 vs rpi
[2:56] <ali1234> it depends what you do with it
[2:56] <atomi> samba
[2:56] <atomi> should I wait for gigabit and usb 3
[2:57] <ali1234> probably. the network won't be very much faster on rpi2
[2:57] <atomi> yeah
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[4:16] <anunnaki> i just installed kali on my pi.. is it normal for iceweasel to run slow on a pi? its a pi b+? i havent installed any of the normal distros like raspbian yet.. just the xbmc focuse ones like osmc, raspbmc, openelec and xbian.
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[4:17] <anunnaki> so wasnt sure what to expect with a the biger distros that dont have kodi already
[4:18] <ttys0> you're probably a little memory starved
[4:21] <anunnaki> ttys0: is that just because its kali or will the other comparable flavors browsers run kinda slow?
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[4:22] <anunnaki> i know everyone has a pi2 so theyre not dealing with this so need feedback from the pi1 people specifically the b+
[4:23] <ttys0> it's because you only have ~512MB to play with, and a good chunk of that is taken by graphics to get decent performance, and firefox isn't exactly a lightweight application
[4:25] <anunnaki> well i dont plan on using the browser much on this anyway..
[4:25] <ttys0> and you're measuring "slowness" by the standards of modern systems. Even the rpi2 isn't in the same league. I really like my rpis, but I can't imagine running them with a graphical environment.
[4:25] <anunnaki> just using it now as an example to compare amongst other falvors
[4:26] <anunnaki> ttys0: well kodi runs great on them.. imo
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[4:26] <anunnaki> so im wondering now how kodi runs on raspbian.. if its slow
[4:27] <ttys0> the lightest weight distro for the rpi is Arch, I believe
[4:27] <anunnaki> if i should just stick with xbian for kodi.. (xbian is the only flavor so far that has given me the least headaches)
[4:27] <anunnaki> can Arch run kpdo
[4:27] <anunnaki> kodi
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[4:27] <atomi> i like systemd
[4:27] <ttys0> I have no idea. I use my rpis as a little cluster, not a media system.
[4:28] <anunnaki> ttys0: cluster?
[4:28] <ttys0> I have mixed feelings about systemd, but it reminds me a lot of svcadm
[4:28] <ttys0> anunnaki : yes
[4:28] <anunnaki> what do you mean by cluster
[4:28] <atomi> i've found arch to be the best distro on rpi to run docker containers
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[4:29] <ttys0> anunnaki : right now it's an elasticsearch cluster, but as soon as I get slurm running, it'll be able to function as a compute cluster
[4:30] <anunnaki> i want to use my pi as a mediaserver.. which i guess samba and nfs will take care of.. so that means any distro.. but i did like kodi's gui.. and of course the video add-ons.. so im trying to see if i can get those two uses
[4:30] <anunnaki> ttys0: i dont know what a cluster is
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[4:30] <anunnaki> i guess ill have to google that
[4:31] <ttys0> it's just a collection of systems that acts as a quasi-singular system
[4:31] <atomi> yeah it's a way to get a dozens of raspberry pis to do what a dual xeon server could do
[4:31] <ttys0> that's extremely simplistic, but probably gets the gist of the idea across
[4:31] <anunnaki> i need to learn new cool things to do with my pi.. using it as aserver is boring.. i do use it for reading sensors from my arduino project thouggh..
[4:32] <ttys0> atomi : yeah, but at a fraction of the cost, and I can keep it sitting on my desk in a little pile :)
[4:32] <atomi> haha yeah
[4:32] <atomi> ttys0: check out http://matthewkwilliams.com/index.php/2015/03/21/swarming-raspberry-pi-part-1/
[4:33] <anunnaki> ttys0: oh i think that was what i was thinking of today
[4:33] <ttys0> I'm still on the fence about Docker.
[4:33] <atomi> k
[4:33] <anunnaki> i use gentoo and was reading in on distcc.. and started wondering if could get a couple of pis installed with gentoo and then distribute the compile jobs to the pis to help speed up my main systems compiler
[4:34] <ttys0> but it looks like an interesting piece .. definitely worth an instapaper save :)
[4:34] <phire> speed up your main computer?
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[4:35] <ttys0> you don't need gentoo for distcc, but it does help. I use it on my rpi2s to do compiles
[4:36] <anunnaki> phire: yes.. my main system has gentoo.. so i was wondering if i could install gentoo on those pis.. work off the main system.. while th other pis are connected to it and then distribute the compiling amongst all the systems
[4:36] <ttys0> https://ttys0.net//IMG_0059.jpg
[4:36] <ttys0> gentoo isn't worth the headache, just go with Arch
[4:36] <phire> anunnaki, not really. They are the wrong arch
[4:37] <anunnaki> i was thinking one pi wasnt worth the trouble if it was possible to help ease the load.. but since it is possible.. now ill just go buy more knowing its definite
[4:38] <anunnaki> phire: couldnt i set it to cross compile on the pis
[4:38] <ttys0> rpi2 makes a bigger difference with distcc, since you have many more cores
[4:38] <ttys0> cross compiling is a royal PITA
[4:38] <phire> anunnaki, distcc has overhead. would be hard to actually get any gain
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[4:38] <anunnaki> ttys0: yeah im kicking myself for buying my b+.. i literally bought it a week before pi2 was released.. not even knowing about a pi2
[4:38] <phire> but yes a cross compiler would actually work
[4:39] <ali1234> phire: did you get anywhere with buildroot? i tried to build it with gstreamer and a few other things... and it just wouldn't compile
[4:39] <ttys0> anunnaki : just make it a head node, the Pi in the aluminum case is a B+, the ones in the stack are pi2s
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[4:39] <phire> ali1234, my minimal setup works
[4:39] <anunnaki> ttys0: head node?
[4:40] <ali1234> also did you ever try booting an A over USB?
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[4:40] <ttys0> anunnaki : it's the primary interface, acts as the default route for the other systems, has the http front end stuff, etc
[4:40] <ali1234> it actually works, but the rootfs is limited to like 10mb
[4:40] <phire> ali1234, no
[4:40] <phire> is a 10mb rootfs a problem?
[4:40] <ali1234> yes, it's barely enough for kernel modules
[4:41] <phire> enuough to get a linux initrd into ram and use another protocal
[4:41] <anunnaki> ttys0: sounds like what i was thinking of.. thats the cluster right.. a head node. and then whatever the other pis are.
[4:41] <ali1234> true, but then you;re just back to booting from SD
[4:41] <ttys0> anunnaki : basically
[4:42] <ali1234> thing is, you can't use usb device mode once the kernel boots up, cos the driver is broken
[4:42] <ali1234> otherwise i'd just turn it into a CDC-ethernet and use nfs root :)
[4:43] <phire> ali1234, from what I can tell, it's designed for acting as a rescue mode for a phone
[4:43] <anunnaki> so is it safe to say that big browsers like iceweasel dont run that great on != pi2
[4:44] <anunnaki> anyone install kodi on raspbian or arch?
[4:44] <ali1234> i don't think it's really meant for anything in particular
[4:44] <ali1234> usb is usb...
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[4:46] <chupacabra> Wheee.
[4:47] <chupacabra> found yall
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[4:48] <giddles> i like raspberry pi
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[4:49] <giddles> im done ;D suvelliance system works
[4:49] <chupacabra> me too. got all 3 now
[4:49] <phire> ali1234, why is the rootfs limited to 10mb?
[4:49] <ali1234> i don't know, but any bigger and it doesn't boot
[4:49] <phire> what's the protocal?
[4:49] <ali1234> i don't know the exact maximum size
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[4:50] <chupacabra> no real limit
[4:50] <ali1234> you upload a fat filesystem containing what the first sd card partition would normally contain - firmware and kernel, plus a gzipped root filesystem image
[4:51] <ali1234> the protocol is just pushing to some vendor specific endpoints
[4:52] <phire> ali1234, you upload the entire bootcode before it starts booting from it?
[4:52] <ali1234> yes
[4:52] <ali1234> you actually upload usbbootcode.bin first and then it re-enumerates
[4:52] <phire> but without bootcode.bin, the sdram hasn't been initialized?
[4:52] <phire> ah
[4:52] <ali1234> then you upload the firmware+kernel+rootfs
[4:52] <chupacabra> i cant find a good openelec image. i know off topic but it sucks
[4:52] <giddles> for what?
[4:52] <giddles> rpi2?
[4:52] <chupacabra> ya
[4:53] <giddles> one second, i cant find it too in histroy
[4:53] <chupacabra> mine fail when untarring
[4:53] <ali1234> i assume the problem is simply that it has a hardcoded buffer size, plus the A only has 256mb to begin with
[4:53] <phire> it's probally a crappy usbbootcode.bin
[4:53] <chupacabra> unexpected end of file
[4:53] <ali1234> and you need the compressed and uncompressed rootfs in memory at the same time
[4:54] <giddles> http://openelec.tv/get-openelec @ chupacabra
[4:54] <chupacabra> something simple and soon to be fixed but i just got my new pi. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[4:54] <giddles> ARMv7 builds - RPi2 ARMv7 quad core models (Model B 1024MB)
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[4:54] <chupacabra> thats what i been getting.
[4:54] <phire> you should be able to boot a system by feeding in usbboot.bin, start.elf, linux kernel and initrd
[4:55] <chupacabra> thinking maybe site in piddle of update
[4:55] <chupacabra> im putting gentoo on it
[4:55] <ali1234> well the usbbootcode.bin is not open source naturally
[4:56] <phire> well, yes
[4:56] <phire> and start.elf expects the kernel to be on the rootfs
[4:56] <ali1234> all the stuff is here anyway: https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/usbboot
[4:56] <chupacabra> phire, remember Alpha hardware?
[4:57] <phire> chupacabra, it was EOLed by the time I encountered it.
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[4:58] <phire> they had to buy old systems off ebay to keep the system running
[4:58] <chupacabra> oic. booted much the same way but with a start floppy
[4:58] <phire> Alpha or Amega?
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[4:59] <chupacabra> i have a multia i will never sell. it taught me so much unix it is a best friend
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[4:59] <chupacabra> amiga was a toy to me
[5:00] <phire> the alpha's I encountered booted off the hdd just fine.
[5:00] <chupacabra> ya, once installed correctly
[5:00] <ttys0> last company I worked for was still running SAP on DEC Alphas running Tru64
[5:01] <chupacabra> I had redhat 6 on mine and with 2 pcmcia slots was my router
[5:01] <phire> this was a Air Traffic Control system running on DEC Alphas running Tru64
[5:01] <chupacabra> ttys0, coool
[5:02] <chupacabra> Air traffic is so fn ancient
[5:02] <phire> but they have moved to rhel now
[5:03] <phire> and that system apparently replaced a mainframe which ran upto 1999
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[5:04] <ttys0> previous company moved from DEC Alpha Tru64 to Itanium2 HPUX .. not sure it was an improvement
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[5:05] <phire> they certainly know how to pick the right CPUs
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[5:06] <ttys0> I wasn't overly impressed with the Itanium2, though I left before I was able to do much with them, but initial impressions weren't very good
[5:06] <ttys0> and HPUX .. oh there's just nothing good to say about HPUX
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[5:07] <phire> From what I hear, Itaniums will be great as soon as a smart enough compiler comes along.
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[5:25] <shay_shay> hai
[5:26] <shay_shay> bcm chip is really slow at certain things isnt it
[5:26] <shay_shay> for example 4096 bit rsa key takes a a minute at least
[5:26] <Froolad> to crack or to generate?
[5:26] <shay_shay> generater
[5:27] <shay_shay> -r
[5:28] <shay_shay> openssl req -nodes -newkey rsa:4096 -keyout relay.pem -x509 -days 365 -out relay.pem -subj "/CN=localhost/"
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[5:28] <shay_shay> on debian 8 armhf that takes forever compared to so-called equally spec'd x86
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[7:09] <baldpope> stupid question - why do all the cross compile docs I find seem to only reference cross compiling the kernel
[7:09] <baldpope> where is the doc on simply cross compiling a given app
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[7:22] <Xark> baldpope: For that you need all the proper library dependencies, so I think most people use a VM.
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[7:41] <baldpope> Xark, yea - i'm attempting to build a clean ubuntu host now (vm) with whatever else is required for building
[7:42] <baldpope> for as much work as it is - i wonder if I should have just had an extra pi with distcc setup back to my better host
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[7:44] <Xark> baldpope: RPi2 is worth getting at least (if you don't already). :)
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[7:49] <baldpope> Xark, it's next on my list
[7:49] <baldpope> a couple of dads and I at our sons school are trying to get a club together for kids after school
[7:49] <baldpope> doing rpi projects
[7:49] <Xark> baldpope: Huge step up, IMHO. Usable as a 2nd computer (and for small development projects - without a 2nd hobby during compiles).
[7:50] <baldpope> too late to get it going for this school year - but getting ready for next
[7:50] <Xark> Cool
[7:50] <baldpope> i have a project in mind using water flow with turbine for power on the rpi
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[7:51] <baldpope> i was reviewing i2c thermometers and 5v water turbines earlier
[7:52] <baldpope> though a friend suggested just using a lipo battery and moving on -
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[7:55] <engblom> What options do I have when it comes to distro if I want 1. java support, 2. easy updates, 3. no compiling as with gentoo, 4. no systemd. 5. a minimal system without X preinstalled?
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[7:56] <engblom> This for rpi2...
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[7:58] <ShorTie> Debian is a package distro, so there is no compiling like Gentoo
[7:59] <engblom> At least Debian Jessie has added systemd...
[8:00] <ShorTie> yup, wheezy doesn't use systemd
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[8:04] <ShorTie> you can remove systemd if you want, http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation
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[8:08] <Chillum> Is there a way I can trigger the RPi to do a restart by triggering a GPIO? Sometimes it locks up and I want to be able to restart it remotely
[8:08] <Chillum> like a reset button
[8:09] <Mr_Sheesh> Chillum - yes but you'd need to wire in a transistor & install a devixe driver; I'd think a software restart would be more sensible?
[8:11] <Chillum> the thing is when it locks up there is no software interaction to be had
[8:11] <Chillum> was hoping for a physical reset short of cutting the power
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[8:15] <Mr_Sheesh> (not really device driver, too tired/sick to use correct term I guess tonight.) OK, so a small hardware watchdog is what you want, IDK if someone's done that but most any microcontroller could do that
[8:15] <Chillum> I see.
[8:16] <Mr_Sheesh> cheap one like an attiny85 would do :) Ping it with a gpio line while you're alive, if you quit "feeding the watchdog" it pulls reset low for a while (second or so?) to do a complete reset
[8:20] <Mr_Sheesh> the code on an attiny85 would only run 20 lines or so of C? Internal oscillator would work, if you can solder to a connector to attach to the gpio connector and put a pin into the reset line's separate hole you can do it; If not you should be able to find someone to solder that pretty easy :)
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[8:22] <Chillum> this may be what I need: http://blog.ricardoarturocabral.com/2013/01/auto-reboot-hung-raspberry-pi-using-on.html "the Broadcom BCM2835 SoC on the Raspberry Pi comes with a hardware-based watchdog timer"
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[8:29] <Chillum> I wonder if because the watchdog is hardware if it would reboot after a kernel panic
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[8:33] <Mr_Sheesh> Oh, it has a hardware WDT on board? Why the heck didn't someone in here tell me when I asked? Looked for it. It should, you'd need to activate it and then regularly tell it "I'm still alive", that'd just be a little bit of code tho (could probably be done in $yourfavoritelanguage - C, C++, Python, anything that has the needed functionality)
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[8:37] <Chillum> the watchdog package sends it the keep-alive for you
[8:37] <Chillum> and it will run custom scripts for you if you want, or ping or check PID file etc
[8:37] <Chillum> I have just turned it on, will see if it catches the next crash
[8:37] <Chillum> soooo glad that is there!
[8:38] <Froolap> have the gpio turn a little motor, as long as the motor is running then it puts pressure on a switch, as soon as the motor stops then a relay interupts power.
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[8:39] <Chillum> that SoC is full of surprises. First the hwrng then this
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[8:40] <Chillum> I love the concept of the watchdog "If you don't hear from me in 1 minute then assume something terrible has happened and restart!"
[8:40] <clever> Chillum: you can just tell linux to reboot after a panic
[8:41] <clever> its in the kernel cmd line
[8:41] <clever> panic=10 would make it reboot 10 seconds after a panic
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[8:42] <clever> and panic=-1 would reboot instantly
[8:42] <clever> panic=0 makes it just freeze
[8:42] <Chillum> kick ass it works. I kill -9'd watchdog and about 20 seconds later it reset
[8:42] <Chillum> clever: thanks for the tip
[8:42] <Mr_Sheesh> Aah someone did a complete solution? Nice! I might put that on my 2 RPi B's that're running embedded stuff, I was going to add some other things on a hardware blob but RL has been distracting me. Sometimes something worse than a kernel panic can happen and you want the HW WDT (for example if a cosmic ray hit REALLY screws your RPi's state up) - a hardware WDT guarantees a reset despite
[8:42] <Mr_Sheesh> any software problems
[8:43] <Chillum> I was worried I would have to hook up an arduino nano to control the power or something
[8:43] <clever> Chillum: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.18.y/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L2507
[8:43] <clever> and also look at all the other fun stuff in there
[8:43] <Chillum> did this: http://www.domoticz.com/wiki/Setting_up_the_raspberry_pi_watchdog - it "just worked"
[8:43] <Chillum> thanks
[8:44] <clever> the watchdog should also reboot if you dont panic=-1, but letting linux reboot itself is faster
[8:44] <clever> only issue i can see, is if the blob kills the watchdog on reboot
[8:44] <clever> it may not boot up fast enough to ping?
[8:45] <Chillum> oh so it might double reboot?
[8:45] <clever> it might get stuck in a reboot loop
[8:45] <Chillum> I think the hardware watchdog alone is enough.
[8:45] <clever> dont know what the blob does to help
[8:45] <Chillum> I love that the daemon it will check pid files, ping ips, running custom scripts etc
[8:45] <clever> but a longer interval would stop the reboot loop
[8:46] <Chillum> if the watchdog resets it turns itself off until re-enabled
[8:47] <clever> ah, good
[8:47] <clever> so it will wait until the watchdog daemon is re-ran on bootup
[8:47] <clever> so the only window for problems, is during bootup before that happens
[8:47] <Chillum> yes. Also if you properly shutdown the watchdog daemon it will turn off the watchdog
[8:47] <clever> ah, nice
[8:48] <Chillum> ya it might reboot twice(once due to panic once due to watchdog) but not in a loops
[8:48] <Chillum> I think I will leave panic reboot off and just use the watchdog. That should be enough
[8:49] <clever> its also of use for normal x86 servers running linux, so a panic doesnt leave the server offline
[8:49] <clever> but you may want panic=30 or more on a machine you use, so you can read the msg
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[9:08] <Mr_Sheesh> I'd imagine that when you hard reboot an RPi, it SHOULD do a complete hardware reset first and foremost (about the first opcodes in the BIOS should do THAT!) so that'd remove the WDT temporarily until your bootup sequence re-enables it; It'd make zero sense to have the bootup NOT reset all the hardware, that's how "Bad things happen" in any embedded system or other computerized device...
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[9:15] <Chillum> lol I just ran a fork bomb, restarted like it should
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[10:20] <mdorenka> hi guys, i got a problem with my PI Model B. network stopped working, i got it working again by forcing usb into full-speed mode
[10:20] <mdorenka> network-failures also apply to usb-connected usbNICs
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[10:21] <ShorTie> sure sdcard isn't corrupted ??
[10:22] <mdorenka> jup
[10:22] <mdorenka> happens with differend SDcards and images
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[10:24] <ShorTie> latest image from raspberry.org ??
[10:24] <mdorenka> yep
[10:24] <mdorenka> further i dont think its an software issue since it stopped suddenly
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[10:25] <mdorenka> plus the same image runs flawlessly when forced to usb1.1
[10:25] <ShorTie> got me, sounds like hardware failure then
[10:25] <mdorenka> meh, exactly what i didnt want to hear :p
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[10:26] <ShorTie> /me snickers
[10:26] <ShorTie> oops
[10:26] <ShorTie> So So Sorry .. :(~
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[10:28] <mdorenka> k then ill have to run it "full"-speed ..
[10:28] <mdorenka> as in 12mbps
[10:28] <mdorenka> <.<
[10:28] <mdorenka> slow as hell. ^^
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[10:31] <mdorenka> hmm but i could use it with retropie
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[10:46] <stealthii> Hi, Adafruit advertise their 2.2" TFT screen as HAT compatible, but I do not believe auto-detection works - device-tree overlays should load automatically https://www.adafruit.com/product/2315
[10:46] <stealthii> anyone else had success?
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[10:50] <ShorTie> you have to set the device-tree overlays you want loaded in config.txt, they do not auto-load
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[12:01] <Brutussss> is there something like a small (4/5/6"), affordable waterproof raspberry pi compatible touchscreen display?
[12:01] <Brutussss> would like to build a raspberry pi system on a motorcycle
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[12:03] * ShorTie thinkz plastic bag and twisty tie .. :/~
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[12:06] <Brutussss> ShorTie: lol
[12:06] <Brutussss> not an option
[12:07] <Brutussss> wish to incorporate it in the dashboard
[12:07] <Brutussss> if it works, i'll put it in several vehicles
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[12:21] <poolson> hey anyone here had any experience sending data from an arduino to a pi ?
[12:21] <poolson> im using a struct with some int16_t in it
[12:22] <chris_99> don't arduinos normally use 5V logic, so you'd have to use a logic level converter
[12:22] <poolson> but the numbers are wrong after they arrive
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[12:22] <poolson> gotta be something to do with how the numbers are represented on either end id assume
[12:23] <poolson> but what ! :)
[12:23] <daveake> sending via what?
[12:23] <poolson> im sending it over a nrf24l01 radio
[12:23] <ShorTie> almost sounds like a interfacing problem, how are you trying to transfer the info ??
[12:23] <poolson> well im just using a struct
[12:24] <poolson> and doing a radio.write
[12:24] <poolson> well the thing is ... from 0 to 8 is fine on either end
[12:24] <poolson> then 9 becomes 12
[12:24] <poolson> weird :)
[12:25] <ShorTie> guess i'm saying is that your nrf24l01 stuff isn't right from the sounds of it
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[12:27] <ShorTie> you creating a packet with crc and stuff and sending that or just trying to send data
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[12:38] <poolson> oh im using a library someone made
[12:40] <poolson> gotta be something simple :)
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[12:42] <daveake> So with this library, you can just do radio.write at one end and radio.read at the other ?
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[12:45] <ShorTie> sure the buffer (or what ever) is big enough, or being translated right since it starts at like 9
[12:45] <poolson> daveake yep
[12:46] <poolson> well arduino is 8 bit
[12:46] <daveake> Doesn't matter
[12:46] <mntmn> hi, does anyone have experience with (low-level) videocore 3d programming? it works quite well now but i seem to have some weird cache issues
[12:46] <poolson> well i should say the atmega microcontroller is 8 bity
[12:46] <poolson> bit
[12:46] <daveake> Are you writing the entire structure in one write? and reading in one read?
[12:46] <poolson> yep
[12:47] <poolson> doing like this radio.write(&payload, sizeof(payload))
[12:47] <mntmn> (when refreshing the binning and rendering lists)
[12:47] <daveake> OK things I'd try ... check the structure size on Arduino vs Pi
[12:47] <daveake> Differences are likely to be caused by different packing
[12:48] <daveake> Make sure your stucture is smaller than the max packet size
[12:48] <daveake> Also, try just filling a string with some known values and write/read that to make sure it gets through unscathed.
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[12:50] <poolson> same size on both ends
[12:50] <daveake> ok
[12:50] <poolson> 5
[12:50] <poolson> heh
[12:50] <poolson> not sending much
[12:50] <daveake> 5 is teeny :)
[12:51] <daveake> The radios I'm using have a 256-byte max packet size and I'm using all of that :)
[12:51] <poolson> heh nice
[12:51] <poolson> i been working to get the communication to be flawless
[12:52] <poolson> now trying to get the "data" right
[12:52] <poolson> these radio modules apparently have some flakiness dude ot unclean 3v3 power supply
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[12:53] <poolson> so i made myself this board that has a 5v and 3v3 regulator on it to power the pi and also 2 radios as cleanly as possible
[12:53] <poolson> and it seemed to work nice
[12:53] <poolson> same thing on arduino side
[12:53] <poolson> also added caps ono the modules themselves
[12:54] <poolson> then got it functioning nicely with interrupts as oppiosed to the poilling
[12:54] <poolson> polling
[12:54] <poolson> but yeah .. now i gotta get the data behaving
[12:55] <daveake> Make sure the radio side has CRC enabled so you are unlikely to get any bad packets
[12:55] <daveake> FEC too if it has it
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[13:40] <d3jake> Greets
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[13:44] <d3jake> I followed this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Vncserver#Starting_and_stopping_vncserver_at_bootup_and_shutdown_via_systemd And do I have to systemctl enable this script?
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[13:47] <d3jake> Nvm
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[13:48] <d3jake> Thanks all!
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[13:50] <crazyjew> hi everyone
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[14:48] <d3jake> What's the best way to ensure a command gets run at startup? say, screen?
[14:48] <Brutussss> d3jake: it works?
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[14:48] <d3jake> Aye
[14:48] <d3jake> Got VNC to auto-start
[14:49] <Brutussss> good :P
[14:49] <d3jake> Thankis!
[14:49] <Brutussss> command in a startup script
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[14:49] <Brutussss> it's a command you say
[14:49] <Brutussss> you can run it as a cron or with systemd
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[14:50] <strobelight> screen rocks
[14:50] <Brutussss> screen rocks for some tasks yes
[14:50] <Brutussss> depending on what it is
[14:50] <strobelight> not sure I'd use it for startup
[14:50] <Brutussss> that indeed
[14:51] <Brutussss> If it's startup, make a startupscript and run it in bg
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[14:52] <Brutussss> d3jake: enough info?
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[14:55] <d3jake> Hm
[14:56] <Brutussss> create a startupscript in /etc/systemd/system
[14:56] <d3jake> I want to set up cron with a simple script to keep arch updated. I never did figure that out, though :/
[14:56] <Brutussss> systemctl enable myscript.service
[14:56] <Brutussss> ohhhhhhhh
[14:57] <d3jake> So, "myscript.service" would have something like "screen" in it? How do I make it run as my username? Is that what the 'User=' line is for?
[14:57] <Brutussss> I wouldn't advise it
[14:57] <Brutussss> why screen
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[14:57] <Brutussss> But believe me, just don't do that
[14:57] <d3jake> I run irssi in it.
[14:57] <Brutussss> yes me too
[14:57] <Brutussss> but not pacman
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[14:57] <Brutussss> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Update_packages_from_crontab
[14:57] <d3jake> So, I'd rather screen is running by the time I get to logging it.
[14:58] <d3jake> Yay URL!
[14:58] <Brutussss> lol
[14:58] <Brutussss> just don't do it
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[14:58] <Brutussss> pacman != apt
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[14:59] <Brutussss> running vnc is fine, running screen is fine, running pacman? please don't
[15:00] <Brutussss> the next question will be something like "my box doesn't work anymore and I don't know why"
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[15:01] <strobelight> "apt-get update -y" ?
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[15:02] <d3jake> Ah, so when updating the system, ensure I'm logged in so I can watch what it's doing?
[15:03] <canton7> sometimes there'll be text saying "please note, this has changed, you'll need to do that"
[15:04] <d3jake> I've seen some references to a file named "rc.local" in /etc, possibly? Do I use this file to automatically run a command right after I've logged in via ssh?
[15:06] <strobelight> rc.* used at boot time
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[15:07] <d3jake> Ahh... I wish I could find a guide that tells of things like that. In win98, I knew about autoexec.bat, but I can never reliably figureout which file/service-coordinator I have to talk to to get things to run when I want to.
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[15:09] <d3jake> And, my question has been answered: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/autostarting
[15:10] <strobelight> after logging in, bash shell typically run, /etc/profile, then special files found in home directory like .bash_profile, .bash_login, .profile, .bashrc
[15:10] <Brutussss> rc = used to
[15:10] <d3jake> Thanks guys! I need to go to bed at 8am (now), so I can get up in a short bit.
[15:10] <d3jake> So
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[15:10] <d3jake> Put a script into /etc/profile?
[15:10] <Brutussss> rc is systemv
[15:10] <Brutussss> is replaced by systemd
[15:11] <Brutussss> might work, just don't update your system like that
[15:11] <Brutussss> EVER
[15:11] <strobelight> no, just saying /etc/profile contents is run
[15:11] <d3jake> I'll pass on updating automatically. I'm thinking about making screen auto "screen -rd" when I log in via ssh.
[15:11] <d3jake> It's minor, but would be super nice to have in place.
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[15:12] <strobelight> yes, I've done that with screen too, but if not set up correctly can kick ya back out
[15:12] <d3jake> XD
[15:13] <d3jake> Where is a good place to start to make this happen? I"m okay doing some research (so I learn), but I want to get pointed in the right direction.
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[15:14] <strobelight> anyone know of working video/audio samples that work with gst-launch and what pipeline to use?
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[15:22] <Bilby> *yawn*
[15:23] <kubast2> Hi how do I use vim?
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[15:24] <Bilby> kubast2 just use nano
[15:24] <kubast2> well
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[15:24] <Bilby> vim is cool but you'll spend most of your time trying to learn it if you're not going to use it constantly haha
[15:24] <kubast2> I'm connected via ssh ,and target machine
[15:24] <kubast2> doesn't have nano
[15:24] <kubast2> and there is no
[15:25] <kubast2> yum
[15:25] <kubast2> apt
[15:25] <kubast2> etc.
[15:25] <strobelight> vim file
[15:25] <strobelight> :help
[15:26] <Bilby> pico?
[15:26] <Bilby> it sounds liek you're not in a shell
[15:26] <Bilby> i did that once haha
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[15:26] <Bilby> confused the bleep outa me
[15:26] <Bilby> brb coffee
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[15:28] <kubast2> strobelight thx
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[15:29] <ozzzy> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org:8080/php/selector.php <-- the pi is pretty zippy
[15:29] <strobelight> kubast2: it'll take a while to get used to
[15:29] <kubast2> yeah
[15:30] <strobelight> if something not working, try pressing ESC key
[15:30] <kubast2> ^ thx
[15:30] <kubast2> wanted to ask how to escape insert mode
[15:30] <strobelight> because "o", "i", "a" are "time to enter text mode" and pressing ESC key exits that so you can move around with hjkl keys
[15:31] <strobelight> or arrows
[15:31] <strobelight> dw delete word
[15:31] <strobelight> cw change word
[15:31] <strobelight> ZZ save and quit
[15:31] <strobelight> :w save
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[15:31] <strobelight> :q! quit without saving
[15:32] <strobelight> that's the simple stuff
[15:32] <Brutussss> http://vim-adventures.com/
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[15:33] <kubast2> _i escape :w :q ZZ PageUp PageDown ,was all I needed[pretty basic stuff]
[15:34] <strobelight> cool
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[15:34] <strobelight> ctrl-w s splits the screen
[15:34] <strobelight> but now you're getting more advanced
[15:35] <kubast2> with ctrl-w and ctrl-s I jump through openned windows ,nice thing tbh
[15:35] <kubast2> *only with ctrl+w
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[15:36] <strobelight> those may have to be escaped if you need them \
[15:36] * strobelight leaves to get coffee
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> I like the make integration with vim
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> so :make compiles my program and takes me straight to where any errors/warnings are
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[15:39] <Sonny_Jim> ctags/ctrl-p is useful but I don't use it enough
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[15:49] <Criminalised> Hello guys
[15:50] <Bilby> o/
[15:50] <Criminalised> Hey bilby
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[15:50] <Criminalised> Just been living the pi dream
[15:51] <Bilby> haha
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[15:51] <strobelight> lol, just did a gst-launch using playbin on the sample video on the pi and it comes out upside down and mirrored.
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[15:54] <Criminalised> Guys
[15:54] <Criminalised> I want to learn red hat
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[15:54] <Criminalised> Which system compatible with the pi would help
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[15:55] <Bilby> There's a fedora build for the pi iirc
[15:55] <Criminalised> Great Bilby
[15:55] <shiftplusone> there's pidora, but it's a little ont he abandoned side.
[15:56] <strobelight> yeah, pidora not quite there anymore
[15:56] <strobelight> try centos if you want to learn redhat
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[15:56] <Criminalised> Centos on pi?
[15:56] <strobelight> uh, no
[15:56] <shiftplusone> You mean *try centos to appreciate debian
[15:56] <strobelight> there ya go!
[15:57] <strobelight> it took me a while to get used to apt-get vs yum
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[15:57] <Criminalised> Strobelight
[15:57] <Criminalised> I'm referring to running it on pi
[15:58] <strobelight> Criminalised: I got that now ;-)
[15:58] <strobelight> thought you just wanted to learn it... so centos is the way to go
[15:58] <strobelight> but not on pi
[15:58] <Criminalised> Fedora
[15:58] * shiftplusone grumbles
[15:58] <shiftplusone> Use CentOS, they said... good for servers, they said. >=/
[15:59] * Armand slaps shiftplusone with several thousand VDS images
[16:00] <Armand> Just.. Don't use Cent7.. They ruined it with skynetd and networkmangler.
[16:00] <Criminalised> Linux Wars - Return of the ArchOS
[16:00] <Armand> lol
[16:01] <muriani> lol
[16:01] <strobelight> lol
[16:01] <muriani> Armand: well, they're building from RHEL, so yeah
[16:01] <Armand> Yeah, shame..
[16:01] <muriani> but blame RH, not CentOS
[16:02] <muriani> I don't like systemd one bit, but in enterprise linux you pretty much have no choice but to support rhel/centos
[16:02] <Criminalised> Rhel is where the money is tho
[16:02] <Armand> I blame the idiots that can't use sysv properly.
[16:02] <Criminalised> Have to follow the green
[16:02] <muriani> heheh
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[16:02] <muriani> I do prefer debian/ubuntu myself
[16:02] <muriani> but now ubuntu's going systemd
[16:03] <Criminalised> Ubuntu is too easy
[16:03] <Armand> Yup.. That's that ruined.
[16:03] <TheLostAdmin> time to go BSD
[16:03] <Armand> Debian screwed that pooch.
[16:03] <Criminalised> Ubuntu is like Linux trying to be windows
[16:03] <shiftplusone> Bare metal is the one true way.
[16:03] <Armand> Criminalised: I thought it was trying to be MacOS ?
[16:04] <Criminalised> Which was trying to be(at) windows
[16:05] <taza> What is this, 2004?
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[16:05] <Criminalised> Hey taza
[16:05] <taza> Ubuntu is Linux trying to be low-setup and low-maintenance
[16:05] <taza> No fault in that
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[16:05] <Criminalised> Got away from your pills I see
[16:05] <taza> ... what
[16:05] <Criminalised> Nm
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[16:06] <taza> No, actually took my pills today like I have for every day in the past few years
[16:06] <taza> Excepting the ones where I get drugged up on something way heavier
[16:07] <Criminalised> I'd say take a chill pill...but that'd be more pills
[16:07] <mgottschlag> "<Criminalised> Ubuntu is like Linux trying to be windows" - am I the only one who actually thinks that's rather positive? -.-
[16:07] <Criminalised> Yeah
[16:07] <mgottschlag> linux used to be as good as Windows and better at the beginning of the century and some years after that, but started to lose track since then imho
[16:08] <taza> You're not
[16:08] <taza> Linux was never as good as Windows.
[16:08] <mgottschlag> and it's only recently that things have started to improve again
[16:08] <taza> Windows just has garbage rep because of the 9x line.
[16:08] <Criminalised> I didn't say it's a bad thing
[16:08] <Criminalised> Just not for the real pros
[16:08] <shiftplusone> I'm certainly okay with Linux distros taking the good parts from other operating systems and experimenting.
[16:08] <shiftplusone> If they do stupid things, I use something else until they sort it out.
[16:09] <mgottschlag> well, Windows XP wasn't exactly that advanced either, instead that they finally switched towards a more modern kernel
[16:09] <shiftplusone> And forks pop up which do things nicely too.
[16:09] <mgottschlag> s/instead/except/
[16:09] <taza> XP was okay for its time
[16:10] <taza> I mean, yes, they finally do permissions properly in W7 which is actually nice, but XP wasn't horrid garbage unlike 9x
[16:10] <mgottschlag> yeah
[16:10] <shiftplusone> So yeah, I love what canonical are doing as long as we get something like Mint to use in the meantime.
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[16:10] <Criminalised> Msdos lol
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[16:10] <mgottschlag> at the moment, Linux is great for servers, but for desktops/workstations, it hasn't developed as fast as the alternatives
[16:10] <taza> Hey, more adoption means more support, no matter which distro you pick
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[16:11] * strobelight claps for taza
[16:11] <Criminalised> Mgottshclag it'll probably never reach the desktop market the way windows did
[16:11] <kubast2> mgottschlag: To be honest ,as a desktop linux is not all that bad
[16:12] <Criminalised> Linux is choice, choice and more choice. People are too lazy to choose things themselves
[16:12] <strobelight> Windows Wars - Return of DOS
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[16:12] <kubast2> especially the maintainace
[16:12] <mgottschlag> kubast2: yeah, and I won't switch to Windows anytime soon
[16:12] <kubast2> I mean beside sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[16:12] <mgottschlag> but I frequently find things that are missing in Linux that just work on Windows
[16:12] <mgottschlag> e.g., hidpi support with multiple monitors was the last one
[16:13] <taza> Criminalised: Or maybe people are choosing to spend more time on their families and less time decrypting man pages
[16:13] <kubast2> I've only cleared browser history ,to speed up firefox
[16:13] <mgottschlag> ... and I had to write my own touchpad driver for this laptop -.-
[16:13] <Criminalised> Yeah, exactly that taza
[16:14] <kubast2> Let's be honest ,most people just don't care
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[16:14] <Criminalised> Mgottschlag, windows is more in keeping with capitalism
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[16:14] <mgottschlag> I'd say choice is more like an accidental side product of the development style
[16:14] <Criminalised> Monopolies
[16:14] <mgottschlag> many (if not most) people don't care about choice
[16:14] <mgottschlag> they want something that works
[16:15] <Criminalised> Yeah
[16:15] <mgottschlag> now the only way to get there on linux is to choose between the two dozen alternatives for the same thing
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[16:15] <Criminalised> But they want it already working
[16:15] <ppq> imho, windows needs a package management system like most linux distros, where even core parts of the OS are just packages. and a central, microsoft-hosted but community-driven software repository, where developers or other maintainers can upload their signed software, drivers etc.
[16:15] <mgottschlag> out of which usually at least 23 don't work
[16:15] <Criminalised> Not having to make it work themselves
[16:15] <mgottschlag> and far too often, the 24th doesn't work either -.-
[16:15] * shiftplusone shrugs
[16:15] <mgottschlag> the package management for me is Linux' strongest point
[16:15] <shiftplusone> haven't had major troubles with linux recently
[16:15] <ppq> mgottschlag, ack
[16:16] <taza> shiftplusone: I have a broadcom network card
[16:16] <shiftplusone> gaming is still a problem, despite valve's effort, but it'll get there.
[16:16] <mgottschlag> the last time I tried to find a proper video cutting program was awful
[16:16] <Criminalised> Yeah, gaming is another one
[16:16] <kubast2> Unless you only play League Of Legends
[16:16] <mgottschlag> but hey, it's free, and as long as I can switch back to Windows for the stuff that doesn't works I am happy :)
[16:17] <kubast2> then Wine got you covered
[16:17] <Criminalised> Or minecraft
[16:17] <mgottschlag> *work
[16:17] <taza> Valve made Linux gaming go from "horrid garbage" to "tolerable"
[16:17] <taza> Mostly fixing the drivers
[16:17] <Criminalised> Linux gaming used to be touch typing
[16:18] <Criminalised> Now it's scrabble
[16:18] <Criminalised> So not much of an improvement
[16:19] <taza> Linux has an amazing variety of games now
[16:19] <shiftplusone> The catalogue is indeed good enough now
[16:19] <shiftplusone> for me, the drivers are still the issue.
[16:19] <Criminalised> Haven't checked recently
[16:19] <kubast2> Even for some of the AAA players
[16:19] <kubast2> Dead island
[16:19] <taza> I can find hundreds of good games for Linux now
[16:19] <shiftplusone> bioshock infinite
[16:19] <kubast2> anomaly
[16:19] <Criminalised> And shiftplusone just mentioned a reason why I will never bother gaming with Linux
[16:20] <taza> The drivers are way better now
[16:20] <mgottschlag> the point where linux would take off for gaming would only be when steam managed to establish it as the operating system for vendor-independent gaming consoles
[16:20] <taza> They're still bad, but no longer "unplayable" bad
[16:20] <Criminalised> It's not the same when a new game arrives and you're a spending hours trying to get your drivers to work before you can play it
[16:20] <mgottschlag> as long as that doesn't happen, this recent increase in Linux AAA games won't last very long I fear
[16:20] <mgottschlag> and yes, the glass is always half empty :p
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[16:21] <taza> mgottschlag: Valve has a lot of pull
[16:21] <taza> Not wanting Microsoft messing with your finances has more
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[16:22] <mgottschlag> I was actually pretty happy with linux GPU drivers... until I found out how incredibly broken Optimus is under Linux.
[16:23] <Lorduncan1> Hey dudes :)
[16:23] <mgottschlag> hey, and bbl
[16:24] <Lorduncan1> what do you think about use a raspberry pi 2 B as a VPN/firewall to conect 3 diferent buildings ?
[16:24] <ppq> as long as you don't have too much traffic or too many connections, why not
[16:24] <Lorduncan1> will be able to handle all trafic?
[16:24] <taza> ...
[16:25] <taza> "3 buildings" is not an amount of traffic
[16:25] <Lorduncan1> there are 3 users and 2 printers in each place, and in the central like 10 users
[16:25] <Chillum> yay, my Rapsberry Pi crashed and automatically restarted last night. Watchdog is working!
[16:26] <Lorduncan1> hahah yes i know , was stupid quetistion :P
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[16:26] <taza> So about 20 users, 2 printers?
[16:26] <taza> Sounds a bit iffy
[16:27] <Chillum> I think a Pi2 can handle 10-20 users, but they will all be sharing 100 megabits
[16:27] <Chillum> it will be slow
[16:27] <Lorduncan1> internet is only 10MB here
[16:27] <Chillum> though if your internet connection is below that, it may not be a problem
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[16:27] <mgottschlag> the pi won't necessarily do 10MB/s encryption, will it?
[16:27] <mgottschlag> I mean, even the pi2
[16:27] <buZz> rot13 it will
[16:27] <Lorduncan1> (download) upload is 1Mb... so no problems with the 100 megabits
[16:28] <buZz> i think pi can easily do 1gbit of rot13
[16:28] <Chillum> The Pi2 can max out its network card with SSL or SSH using about 20% of 1 cpu
[16:28] <Chillum> from my experience on my LAN
[16:28] <Chillum> SSL is very efficient
[16:28] <kubast2> [root@0] [/mnt/lfs/sources] tmux
[16:28] <kubast2> can't create socket: No space left on device
[16:28] <kubast2> How do I launch tmux?
[16:28] <Chillum> that is also over WPA
[16:28] <taza> Lorduncan1: So, it'll work, just not very well
[16:29] <ppq> Lorduncan1, a hp chromebox is a cheap alternative. has enough computing power (some haswell celeron), 4 GB ram and a gbit NIC. and it's fun to fiddle with it to get rid of chromeOS and install linux
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[16:29] <shiftplusone> kubast2: what does df -h say?
[16:29] <Chillum> If you got a decent router and put openwrt on it then you would have something a lot better
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[16:29] <kubast2> That propably explains everything
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[16:30] <buZz> :P
[16:30] <buZz> lol
[16:30] <Lorduncan1> ppq: so the idea is get one of that hp cromebox and install debian on it?
[16:30] <buZz> 'wow the error no space left on device, ment i had no space left on device!!!'
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[16:30] <buZz> :D
[16:31] <Tachyon`> that is generally what it means...
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[16:32] <ppq> Lorduncan1, yep.. but Chillum has a good point, a router + openwrt is much cheaper and is the better option if you dont need the computing power of a full-blown pc
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[16:32] <Lorduncan1> that hp chromebox is like 200€ here, raspberry is 40
[16:32] <buZz> i bought pi2 for 37 euro, incl shipping within .nl :P
[16:32] <ppq> ~150€ here
[16:32] <buZz> so, 4 quadcore pi's for 1 chromebox
[16:32] <Lorduncan1> 40,66 RPi in local shop
[16:33] <kisak> UHS-1 64gb microsd cards are compatible with the pi, right? If I'm understanding the consensus right, it's just the preinstalled filesystem (exfat) is incompatible
[16:33] <buZz> kisak: should be fine yeah, it doesnt use UHS speeds though
[16:33] <Chillum> I have 10xRPi 2's coming soon. Going to make a tower of them, get them working in a cluster.
[16:33] <muriani> kisak: yeah
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[16:33] <kisak> the same is true for 128GB cards?
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[16:33] <muriani> you'll be good to get 20-24MB/s from it
[16:33] <muriani> kisak: aye
[16:33] <shiftplusone> kisak: yeah, the size itself isn't a limitation. It's just that some formatting tools stick to the sd spec word for word and force cards over a certain size to be exfat.
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[16:34] <muriani> you get the capacity, just not the speed
[16:34] <Lorduncan1> mmmmm 10RPi in a cluster... i think im getting hard
[16:34] <kisak> so ... the last bit of the conversation -- anything UHS-3 is incompatible electronically, is that right?
[16:34] <muriani> I've.... never seen UHS-3
[16:34] <Chillum> Lorduncan1: When it is built I will pimp it out to supercomputing enthusiasts
[16:34] <Chillum> for bitcoin lol
[16:34] <Chillum> When does the Pi 3 with USB3 and gigabit ethernet come out?
[16:35] <buZz> bitcoin \o/
[16:35] <Lorduncan1> hahahaha
[16:35] <buZz> Chillum: 2054
[16:35] <muriani> lolol
[16:35] <muriani> odroid will have it first :P
[16:35] <buZz> once broadcom becomes a fully FOSS compliant company
[16:35] <muriani> they're half there already, C1 has gigabit
[16:35] <buZz> muriani: already has it, doesnt it?
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[16:35] <poolson> lol that thing is such a POS
[16:35] <buZz> C1 is nonsense
[16:35] <muriani> although realtek gigabit iirc, which isn't that fast
[16:35] <Chillum> I think before that. Cell phones just need to adopt USB3 universailly then the SoC will be there
[16:35] <kisak> muriani: these crazy cards: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk-pixtor-advanced-64gb-microsdxc-class-10-uhs-3-memory-card-red-gold/7801144.p?id=1219290680472&skuId=7801144&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=7801144&extensionType=pla:g&s_kwcid=PTC!pla!!!103813135719!g!!57195999759&kpid=7801144&k_clickid=0a52f0a6-ad3c-b7a8-2a77-00006a7e2acb&kpid=7801144&lsft=ref:212,loc:1&ksid=0a52f0a6-ad3c-b7a8-2a77-00006a7e2acb&ksprof_id=14&ksaffcode=pg8189&ksdevice
[16:36] <kisak> ^sorry about link length
[16:36] <buZz> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140448267127 <--- gbit + USB3
[16:36] <muriani> hm, says it should be compatible
[16:36] <buZz> and a non-sucky CPU
[16:36] <poolson> i bought 3 odroid products
[16:36] <poolson> they all sucked
[16:36] <muriani> most devices with a sdhc/sdxc slot
[16:36] <poolson> faulty hardware
[16:36] <poolson> piss wak support
[16:36] <muriani> sucks
[16:36] <buZz> even the discounted version ; http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141351880955
[16:36] <poolson> weak
[16:37] <buZz> has USB3 + GBit
[16:37] <Chillum> $179? I am sure it is great but my cluster would do better with 5 Pi2s
[16:37] <Chillum> for that price
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[16:37] <poolson> yeah odroid looked great on paper
[16:37] <ppq> way too expensive
[16:37] <buZz> oh lol
[16:37] <poolson> pity one had broken usb
[16:37] <buZz> gbit ethernet == usb3 device
[16:37] <buZz> NEVERMIND
[16:37] <muriani> Chillum: yeah, it's got the CPU of the raspi2 as its "little" cores
[16:37] <muriani> lol
[16:38] <poolson> i think the C1 shares ethernet and usb
[16:38] <poolson> which is lame
[16:38] <ozzzy> usb3 isn't as fast as gigabit
[16:38] <chris_99> it's $99
[16:38] <buZz> thats like putting 100mbit ethernet as a usb2 device
[16:38] <buZz> also stupid
[16:38] <chris_99> were did you get 179 from?
[16:38] <kubast2> I think Nohup got me covered
[16:38] <poolson> piece of shit anyway
[16:38] <buZz> chris_99: the non-lite
[16:38] <mgottschlag> usb3 should be way faster than gbit ethernet
[16:38] <chris_99> ah
[16:38] <muriani> poolson: no, it's its own chip
[16:38] <buZz> mgottschlag: sadly it will prevent you from using any -other- usb3 device to full speed while also using the gbit
[16:38] <muriani> RTL8211 though
[16:39] <Chillum> ozzzy: USB3 can do up to 5 gigabits. Though a USB3 adapter will have more overhead than a proper NIC
[16:39] <Armand> shiftplusone: You about?
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[16:40] <shiftplusone> Armand: somewhat.
[16:40] <ozzzy> Chillum, how many devices 'talk' that fast
[16:40] <Armand> shiftplusone: Do you have Ops here ?
[16:40] <shiftplusone> Armand: somewhat
[16:40] <ozzzy> my USB3/SSD drive is really no faster than the USB3/Platter drive
[16:40] <Chillum> I often max out my gigabit network when moving around large data
[16:40] <buZz> ozzzy: try a point of flight camera
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[16:41] <Armand> Flaming troll detected, shiftplusone
[16:41] <buZz> ozzzy: or 1080p 60fps webcam
[16:41] <Chillum> I run redis DBs in RAM, they write faster than any network interface
[16:42] <shiftplusone> who where what?
[16:42] <buZz> shiftplusone: i think Armand is calling you one?
[16:42] <mgottschlag> ozzzy: that's usually because USB mass storage mode is very inefficient
[16:42] <mgottschlag> modern enclosures speak a more efficient protocol
[16:42] <mgottschlag> *some modern enclosures
[16:42] <Armand> buZz: I'd be a bit more obvious if I were trolling shiftplusone like that. ;)
[16:42] <ozzzy> brand new enclosure
[16:42] <shiftplusone> heh >_<
[16:42] <ozzzy> [shrug]
[16:42] <ozzzy> doesn't matter really
[16:42] <Armand> Besides... <3 shiftplusone
[16:43] <buZz> i just want a ARM board with native SATA
[16:43] <buZz> no usb sata shit
[16:43] <mdorenka> buZz - bananapi?
[16:43] <buZz> Allwinner A20 thusfar is fastest available in that market
[16:43] <mgottschlag> you'd want an USB attached SCSI enclosure, that's supposed to be able to deliver speeds of 500MB/s
[16:43] <buZz> mdorenka: i have cubieboards, but yes
[16:43] <Armand> buZz: I've been loving the eMMC on the ODroid boards myself.
[16:43] <buZz> Armand: i dont want to use any NAND flash ever
[16:44] <Armand> Ahh well. :/
[16:44] <buZz> dont like disposable products
[16:44] <Armand> I'm building a C1 cluster.
[16:44] <poolson> this reminds me
[16:44] <poolson> i need to offload a bunch of alix boards
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[16:44] <Armand> Those puppies will be great. :)
[16:44] <Chillum> USB3's max is around 625mb/s, but even the best USB3 interfaced drive will slow down around 500mb/s
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[16:44] <Chillum> still, plenty of speed
[16:45] <syeekick> https://github.com/jasperproject
[16:45] <syeekick> anyone used this?
[16:45] <mgottschlag> yeah, the 625MB/s don't take the 20% loss of line coding into account (same as with SATA, 6GBit/s will only get you the 5GBit/s of data)
[16:47] <mgottschlag> (8b/10b coding)
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[16:48] <Chillum> mgottschlag: that explains it
[16:48] <Chillum> 10 bits on average per byte, since I was a kid
[16:48] <Chillum> cost me 20% on my 10mbit too
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[16:50] <Armand> Maybe I should do a small set of VMs to try out hadoop first ?
[16:53] <shiftplusone> google maps has pacman mode XD
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[16:59] <Armand> shiftplusone: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=zerg+rush&biw=1920&bih=902&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=KrYaVe2UF5XaatuTgtgM&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAA&dpr=1
[16:59] <Bilby> woo learning eagle
[16:59] <Bilby> http://i.imgur.com/cEcDx9c.png
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[16:59] <shiftplusone> Bilby: nice!
[17:00] <shiftplusone> anything but fritzing >.>
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[17:00] <McBride36> whoa, is there some hate about fritzing that i don't know about?
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[17:01] <shiftplusone> Bilby: where are you caps?
[17:01] <Bilby> no caps. lower case forever! </sarcasm>
[17:01] <Bilby> I exported that to post something at /r/askelectronics
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[17:02] <canton7> Bilby, don't make your grounds point upwards like power rails, please :) that'll confuse someone
[17:02] * Bilby is the only jerk who's going to be really looking at the board :P
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[17:03] <shiftplusone> McBride36: I don't know about 'hate', but there's something about the schematics done in fritzing that rubs me the wrong way. Feels ms paint-ish.
[17:04] <Bilby> right now it looks like this IRL --> http://i.imgur.com/DEfzN9J.jpg
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[17:05] <McBride36> it looks beautiful Bilby
[17:05] <Bilby> lol
[17:05] <Bilby> it worked... it was sitting on that step stool because i had it rigged up to ttest
[17:05] <shiftplusone> McBride36: but my dislike for fritzing originated when people started posting those breadboard diagrams instead of schematics when asking for help. They're okay for showing beginners how to connect something up, but don't expect others to waste time debugging a mess of wires instead of a schematic.
[17:05] <Bilby> http://redd.it/30xju2 has a lil bit more info if anyone can help >_>
[17:05] <McBride36> those never looked clean, so i can understand a dislike
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[17:06] <shiftplusone> And I fully accept that's not fritzing's fault, so no hate there.
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[17:06] <Armand> shiftplusone: Now you know why I have a Chinese kid in Cali build my boards. :P
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[17:06] <Bilby> I'm probably not going to use the layout side of eagle at all right now, i just needed something that would let me make a proper electronics diagram
[17:07] <Bilby> and even eagle isn't perfect but it's a significant improvement
[17:07] <McBride36> Bilby, have you just written the setup loop to have the pin set as high?
[17:07] <Bilby> yep
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[17:07] <McBride36> well i'm out of ideas
[17:07] <Bilby> there's a fraction of a second where it's low as it initializes
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[17:08] <Chillum> you could reverse the relay so it is in the other state by default
[17:08] <Chillum> most have a NO and NC pole
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[17:09] <Bilby> true, but then the relay would need to be active most of the time
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[17:09] <Bilby> the connected state of the relay only triggers for 500ms maybe a few times a day
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[17:11] <Chillum> a valid concern. I hope someone else knows, I don't
[17:14] <Bilby> Yep. I can totally just put it up like that, but as it's going to be controlling my garage door, i'd rather not have the door open every time the pwoer goes out haha
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[17:14] <strobelight> why would it go up if there's no power?
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[17:15] <buZz> how will the garagedoor be able to move without power
[17:15] <Chillum> if the power goes out the switch releases, but there is no power.
[17:15] <Chillum> oh, but when the power comes back on
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[17:15] <Chillum> it may open
[17:16] <buZz> no clue what you're talking about but i'll just agree
[17:16] <Chillum> I had a similar problem in my camera auto-click aruino project. I just accepted that it takes a picture when I turn it on
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[17:17] <Bilby> buZz / Chillum right when the power comes back, modual initializes, door open
[17:18] <Bilby> power here is pretty stable - i've only had it happen a couple of times - but I'd rather not have it happen when i'm away from home
[17:18] <Bilby> and right now i have no way to check the door status
[17:19] <buZz> maybe add a doorsensor aswell
[17:19] <buZz> while you are adding electronics to that
[17:19] <Chillum> Bilby: I think garage door openers have door position sensors built in, you might be able to to hook up to them
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[17:21] <Froolap> get a web cam to look at the garage door. if it senses motion then the door is open and sends you email
[17:21] <buZz> Froolap: did you study under Rube Goldberg?
[17:21] <McBride36> ^ superfluous
[17:21] <McBride36> you could just use a flex sensor
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[17:26] <Bilby> Chillum there's no sensor on thsi oepner. Very old.
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[17:26] <Bilby> I've seen solutions using an ultrasonic sensor, which is what I may do eventually
[17:26] <Chillum> I see. US will work, but a simple bendy bit of metal that the door hits will do
[17:26] <Bilby> I suppose I can just have it send a second pulse after it boots to close the door again, but that seems like a bad way to do it
[17:26] <Chillum> against the floor, if it rises it lets go
[17:27] <Chillum> that is a bad way, because you are guessing at the state
[17:27] <Bilby> Chillum or on the top against the rail. Good idea! i'm using both GPIO pins available right now though, blah
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[17:27] <Chillum> only 2 gpio pins?
[17:27] * Bilby cleans up his code so when he posts it he doesn't get yelled at as much
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[17:27] <Chillum> an arduino nano could do the job
[17:27] <Bilby> It's an ESP8266-01. Only 2 pins
[17:28] <Chillum> not familiar with that. 2 pins, damn that is few
[17:28] <Chillum> any serial port? You can use them to get a signal
[17:28] <Bilby> It's a wifi development board that's become very popular because it's less than $10
[17:28] <Chillum> I see, built in wifi that explains the cost. Nice
[17:29] <Bilby> serial yeah. One of the pins i'm using to trigger an LED, i could always flip that to an input to check door state
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[17:31] <Bilby> Check out this link http://hackaday.com/2014/08/26/new-chip-alert-the-esp8266-wifi-module-its-5/
[17:31] <Bilby> There is lots more on hackaday but that kind of gives an overview
[17:31] <Link> check me out guise!
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[17:33] * Chillum orders 3 ESP8266 Serial WIFI Wireless Transceiver Modules
[17:33] <Chillum> is the -01 important?
[17:35] <Bilby> It's just an indicator for the form factor
[17:35] <Chillum> I want to make a tiny little device that tells you if there is open wifi near
[17:35] <Bilby> there are others that have external antennas and more GPIO exposed
[17:35] <Bilby> look at some of the other tagged links on hackaday, someone did something very similar already with the ESP
[17:36] <Chillum> green light, red light
[17:36] <Bilby> i startede trying to make it work with AT commands and gave up :/ flashed CodeMCU
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[17:36] <kisak> is it bad that I almost immediately read "blink a LED" as trigger the bomb
[17:36] <Chillum> hmmm, I could make a device that records wifi scans as you move around. Later it can be triangulated with google to get a path of travel
[17:36] <Chillum> poor mans gps tracker
[17:36] <Link> >bLINK
[17:36] <Link> i exist
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[17:39] <Chillum> $3.05, sooo cheap for a wifi module with microcontroller and GPIO
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[17:41] <Chillum> I am so happy all this modular low level stuff is getting cheap and reasonably easy to use
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[17:43] <buZz> Chillum: ESP8266 ?
[17:43] <Chillum> ya, just learned of them and ordered 3
[17:43] <buZz> yeah
[17:43] <buZz> i have some on my desk here
[17:43] <buZz> its superb
[17:43] <Chillum> 1 for an open wifi detector. 1 for a wifi scan logger for tracking
[17:44] <Chillum> 1 for luck
[17:44] <buZz> 160mhz 32bit processor for so little money
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[17:44] <buZz> and it even has wifi
[17:44] <Chillum> I wonder if it can handle some sort of storage device
[17:44] <buZz> i recommend getting the ESP07 model btw
[17:44] <buZz> Chillum: yep, it can interface with a SD card
[17:45] <buZz> but requires some mods, i think the SD interface uses same pins as the flash chip
[17:45] <Chillum> does the ESP07 come with build in headers at all? I suck at soldering
[17:45] <buZz> ? its a module on a board
[17:45] <buZz> oh you mean a breakout
[17:45] <buZz> http://dirtypcbs.com/view.php?share=5895&accesskey= <---
[17:46] <Chillum> Pins sticking out intead of little holes
[17:46] <buZz> if you order like 200 of those, they are 35 cent a piece
[17:46] <buZz> no pins
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[17:46] <buZz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291420254574 <-- ESP07
[17:47] <Chillum> I got these: www.ebay.ca/itm/ESP8266-Serial-Esp-01-WIFI-Wireless-Transceiver-Module-Send-Receive-LWIP-AP-STA-/221589414478 super cheap and have pins already attached
[17:47] <buZz> Chillum: but sucks, only 2 GPIO pins available
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[17:47] <buZz> ESP07 has more , and even a ADC pin
[17:47] <buZz> and proper antenna
[17:47] <Chillum> the problem is I have a bunch of little chips without pins and I never use them because every time I try to solder I break something
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[17:48] <buZz> then learn to solder :P
[17:48] <Bilby> Chillum ha! welcome to the club
[17:48] * buZz learned soldering when he was 11? 12?
[17:48] <Chillum> never thought of the BuZ, think of all the time I wasted
[17:48] <Chillum> "thought of that"
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[17:48] <buZz> ;)
[17:48] <Chillum> I have a phobia of lead fumes
[17:48] <Brutussss> does one of you guys know an affordable 4/5/6 inch waterproof touchscreen display
[17:48] <buZz> there is leadfree solder
[17:49] <Brutussss> can't find them
[17:49] <buZz> its shit
[17:49] <buZz> but it exist
[17:49] <Brutussss> raspberry compatible etc
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[17:49] <Bilby> waterproof? no
[17:49] <Brutussss> yeah, to use on a motorcycle
[17:49] <buZz> Brutussss: affordable? no
[17:49] <Bilby> that's a tall stack of requests haha
[17:49] <Brutussss> found some, but it's cheaper to buy a phone :S
[17:50] <buZz> you could of course just make one waterproof yourself
[17:50] <buZz> although that would require effort
[17:50] <Brutussss> lol
[17:50] <Criminalised> Can anyone recommend a value for money power supply
[17:50] <Chillum> I also have no ventilation in my tiny apartment
[17:50] <Criminalised> Keep seeing that coloured box on openelec
[17:50] <Brutussss> which one?
[17:50] <Brutussss> diy screen, need something that works
[17:50] <Bilby> Criminalised Mean Well for quality, otherwise look for phone chargers at thrift stores / flea markets / pawn shops
[17:51] <buZz> Criminalised: 5 ?
[17:51] <buZz> Criminalised: 5V* ?
[17:51] <Criminalised> yeah
[17:51] <buZz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331404873167 <--
[17:51] <Brutussss> raspberry pi + waterproof touchscreen + gps + sailfish = motorcycle navigation
[17:51] <Criminalised> And make it as many A over 1.0A as you want
[17:51] <buZz> i like the 5V 4A one
[17:51] <Chillum> though Pi touch screens I have seen are not that good. You have to push pretty hard, not like a phone
[17:51] <Criminalised> damn
[17:51] <buZz> Criminalised: 33 usd for 5V 60A
[17:51] <Criminalised> you're all yanks
[17:51] <buZz> ?
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[17:52] <buZz> no yank here bro
[17:52] <Brutussss> lol
[17:52] <buZz> here, same link with different nationality; http://www.ebay.nl/itm/331404873167
[17:52] <Brutussss> I wish I was a yank, then i would be able to afford a nice car
[17:52] <buZz> or maybe http://www.ebay.de/itm/331404873167
[17:52] <Bilby> hah
[17:52] <Brutussss> ahh a fellow dutch person?
[17:52] <Bilby> actually we're pretty international afaik
[17:52] <buZz> natuurlijk
[17:52] <Criminalised> same Brutussss
[17:53] <Criminalised> But Uk here
[17:53] <Brutussss> yeah UK is also expensive
[17:53] <Criminalised> and it's awful buying in pounds compared to dollars
[17:53] <buZz> Criminalised: in that case; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331404873167
[17:53] <Brutussss> but it's a bit easier to have a car in the UK
[17:53] <Criminalised> hehe
[17:53] <Criminalised> CHeers buzz
[17:53] <buZz> > Doesn't post to United Kingdom | See details
[17:53] <Criminalised> But still in dollars
[17:53] <buZz> lol
[17:53] <buZz> yeah nobody likes the pound man
[17:53] <Criminalised> I do mean for the raspberry pi you know
[17:53] <buZz> make your nation switch to euro already
[17:54] <Brutussss> There are types of "cars" you need to transport to the UK or Germany to get a license, then transport to Holland so I can drive it
[17:54] <Brutussss> Can't get a license on it if I get it here directly
[17:54] <Criminalised> think bilby had the best suggestion
[17:54] <Brutussss> license, I mean registration
[17:54] <buZz> Criminalised: 5V is 5V
[17:54] <Criminalised> Yeah but I've used 3 different phone adapters
[17:54] <buZz> phone adapters are shit
[17:54] <Criminalised> all of them still brining up the coloured box
[17:54] <Brutussss> what do you mean with a colored box
[17:55] <Criminalised> Tried one of them flat usb leads as well
[17:55] <buZz> Criminalised: i suggest this power supply cause i know they rock
[17:55] <Criminalised> Openelec
[17:55] <Brutussss> ohh
[17:55] <Criminalised> Brutussss, openelec
[17:55] <Chillum> is liquid solder any good? Looks like it may be easier
[17:56] <Brutussss> wut, why use liquid solder?
[17:56] <Criminalised> Just get them coils
[17:56] <Criminalised> And get a good solder iron if you're rubbish at soldering
[17:56] <Criminalised> them plug ones without station are utter shite
[17:56] <Criminalised> I burned one in the first hour of use
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[17:57] <Brutussss> I've been using an ipad charger since I got the first b
[17:57] <crazyjew> hey guys, i wonder is it has some SaaS or PaaS which can control many raspberry devices?
[17:57] <Chillum> again I have a tiny apartment with no ventilation. I don't want a bunch of toxic fumes floating around.
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[17:58] <Brutussss> a while ago i stopped using that and plugged the usb in my server
[17:58] <Brutussss> the older b though, not the 2
[17:58] <buZz> Chillum: no
[17:58] <Criminalised> yeah the 2 is power hungry
[17:58] <buZz> Chillum: solderpaste has specific applications, handsoldering is NOT one
[17:58] <Brutussss> ahh ok
[17:59] <Criminalised> quad core and all that
[17:59] <Brutussss> yeah didn't knew that
[17:59] <Brutussss> need to get one soon
[17:59] <Brutussss> 5v/2a ?
[17:59] <Criminalised> yeah
[17:59] <Brutussss> how wel does the 2 perform using arch as a desktop pc?
[17:59] <Criminalised> That should suffice
[17:59] <Chillum> I need a workspace
[17:59] <Brutussss> watching movies, browsing facebook and youtube etc?
[17:59] <Criminalised> Not tried arch on it
[17:59] <Criminalised> But should be fine
[18:00] <Criminalised> Although I'm not sure whether my adapters are faulty or if it's just wanting more pwoer
[18:00] <Criminalised> *power
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[18:00] <Bilby> That's one reason i'm really glad to have a nice benchtop PSU with a built-in ammeter
[18:01] <Bilby> I can provide more than enough power, and see exactly how much current it needs
[18:01] <Criminalised> Bilby, it won't do irreversible damage to the Pi if I use an inadequate power supply as I am now?
[18:01] <Brutussss> what do I do to get the power from that psu to the pi?
[18:02] <Bilby> eh, not really
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[18:02] <Criminalised> good
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[18:02] <Bilby> You could couple the outputs of multiple PSUs together for more current :P
[18:02] <Criminalised> Bilby, if I was that good I wouldn't be here
[18:02] <Chillum> even with a good adapter if the cord is too thin it won't get enough current
[18:03] <Chillum> I learned that the hard way
[18:03] <Brutussss> as far as i know it's still using micro usb in, so what do I do with that ebay psu
[18:03] <Chillum> cheap cords
[18:03] <Criminalised> Interesting chillum
[18:03] <Criminalised> So which usb lead would you recommedn?
[18:03] <Chillum> ideally you want 24 gauge USB wire
[18:03] <Criminalised> god, first I ever heard of that
[18:03] <Chillum> most is 28AWG
[18:04] <Criminalised> Never addressed USB wires in that way before, they're usually the "Samsung one" or the "Blackberry one"
[18:04] <Chillum> ya, they don't advertise wire thinness, only the thick ones advertise it
[18:04] <Bilby> Ohm's law
[18:04] <Bilby> V = IR
[18:04] <Brutussss> the psu is kind of confusing for me
[18:04] <Brutussss> i can get it, but i don't see how the input and output system is going to help me
[18:05] <Criminalised> What's the other one
[18:05] <Criminalised> V=I?
[18:05] <Chillum> like this: www.ebay.ca/itm/0-3m-USB-2-0-A-Male-to-Micro-B-5pin-Male-28-24AWG-Cable-/151566978061
[18:05] <Chillum> beefy
[18:05] <Bilby> Criminalised Voltage = Current * Resistance
[18:05] <Chillum> Ohm's Law: https://xkcd.com/643/
[18:05] <Criminalised> No
[18:06] <Bilby> Voltage in this case is constant @ 5V
[18:06] <Criminalised> I know that formula
[18:06] <Criminalised> there's a variation that takes into account charge I think
[18:06] <Criminalised> let me check
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[18:09] <anunnaki> so i installed kali for pi... and its debian based, im new to how debian works with repos.. i noticed they have unique names like wheezy and what not.. kali has its own kali security repo.. however the openssh it gives me ancien and screwing me out of newer encryption methods. how do i get kali to let me install the latest openssh?
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[18:10] <Criminalised> P=IV
[18:11] <Criminalised> that's the one
[18:11] <Criminalised> Power = Current x Voltage
[18:11] <anunnaki> can i just try to find some wheezy repo or something the other distros use and add it to the list.. or can i not mix and match repos in the source.list like that.. that i have to uncomment the others.. oh and can i even add those other distros repos to different distros source.list?
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[18:12] <Bilby> Criminalised that's just how you calculate watts... just a standardized measurement of power
[18:12] <Chillum> Watts = Amps*Volts
[18:12] <Criminalised> yeah
[18:12] <Criminalised> that's what I was asking
[18:13] <Criminalised> Been ages since I did physics in school
[18:13] <Chillum> that is about the only electrical formula I remember
[18:13] <Bilby> So a raspi that uses 1.5A needs 7.5 Watts ;)
[18:13] <Criminalised> F=MA
[18:13] <Criminalised> I remember that too
[18:13] <Criminalised> yes
[18:14] <anunnaki> watts=ampsxvolts but reemmber its not the volts, but the amps that kill you
[18:14] <Criminalised> 5v 2a 2.5ohms and 10 watts
[18:14] <anunnaki> whoosp little late
[18:14] <Chillum> anunnaki: volts can kill too
[18:14] <Criminalised> No chillum, you're thinking about bolts
[18:14] <Criminalised> lol
[18:14] <Chillum> lol
[18:14] <McBride36> everything can kill you
[18:15] <Chillum> lightning volts!
[18:15] <Criminalised> Killing can kill you
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[18:15] <Criminalised> That's a actually a rational conclusion
[18:15] * Armand kills Criminalised with a sponge
[18:16] <anunnaki> Chillum: not really people have survived those! but they dont survive that minimum number of amps that kill
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[18:16] <Criminalised> what's the minimum number/
[18:16] <Criminalised> ?
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[18:16] <Chillum> don't be fooled into thinking something is safe because it has low amps
[18:16] <Chillum> its watts that kill really
[18:16] <Armand> Hell, if I drop a single amp on your head, it might kill you! :P
[18:17] <Chillum> does the amp go up to 11?
[18:17] <Armand> Of course!
[18:17] <McBride36> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDf2nhfxVzg
[18:17] <McBride36> relevant
[18:17] <anunnaki> Chillum: true since they proportionaly related to amps.. so high amps means high watts which means death
[18:18] <Chillum> https://xkcd.com/670/ <-- how a normal person, an engineer and a smart engineer respond to an amp that goes to 11
[18:18] <Chillum> anunnaki: watts are amps*volts, you can have dangerous current that is high volt and low amp.
[18:19] <Criminalised> McBride36, that's cool
[18:19] <Criminalised> Makes it even funnier with his accent
[18:20] <Chillum> an old TV tube for example anunnaki is very low amps but is about 20,000 volts. You don't want to get that shock
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[18:21] <anunnaki> Chillum: ah yes.. old tvs.. vacume tubes and huge heavy transformers.. the house cat killer
[18:22] <Chillum> I am so glad they are extinct. Modern screens are so much more reasonable
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[18:27] <McBride36> and lighter
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[18:31] <Armand> I wonder how many tests had to be done to find the appropriate power levels for the electric chair, or did they just go for overkill from the start?
[18:32] <Criminalised> I bet the first guy they tried it on is still alive
[18:32] <Criminalised> In his grave...
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[18:33] <Armand> 6th August, 1890
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[18:34] <Criminalised> he dead
[18:34] <Criminalised> or the ghetto version " he deaayud!"
[18:35] <Criminalised> I think this sounds like an Indian ghetto
[18:35] <Criminalised> or welsh
[18:35] <Chillum> Armand: they tested it on an elephant
[18:35] <Chillum> for real
[18:35] <Armand> My keyboard and mouse just died. :/
[18:36] <Chillum> there is a video
[18:36] <Armand> Must be the USB ports.. I just plugged in a second KB
[18:36] <Chillum> you may need a powered usb hub if you want to draw more than a tiny amount of power
[18:36] <Chillum> though it should handle keyboards no problem
[18:36] <Armand> Nah, desktop PC
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[18:36] <Chillum> oh
[18:37] <McBride36> good bye topsy
[18:37] <Armand> I ordered a new motherboard on Friday, still not shipped. �_�
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[18:40] <Armand> Ok, so the rear ports are completely dead. >_<
[18:40] <skwishy> can you connect multiple offical raspberry pi cams to one rpi2? or is usb webcamps a better option for multi cams?
[18:40] <Armand> But a different KB & mouse work in the front ports. O.o
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[18:41] <skwishy> btw, this is cool, and related to my cat feeder rpi2 project: https://www.amazon.com/oc/dash-replenishment-service
[18:42] <skwishy> my feeder will be able to auto order more catfood when I'm low
[18:44] <Armand> Ooohh sooooo very fake.
[18:44] <McBride36> lol could be done though
[18:45] <Armand> Yup
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[18:53] <Armand> Yup.. Mouse is dead. :/
[18:53] <McBride36> RIP mouse, you will be missed
[18:53] <Armand> Glad I didn't pay for it
[18:54] <Armand> I'll have to order a new one now. >_<
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[18:59] <anunnaki> what should the pi's sound card come as in lsusb? my kali install doesnt seem to see my sound card
[19:01] <shiftplusone> it doesn't have anything to do with usb
[19:03] <buZz> skwishy: http://hackaday.io/project/2847-ivport-raspberry-pi-camera-module-multiplexer
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[19:04] <Chillum> does that allow 4 cameras at once, or switching between them?
[19:04] <buZz> switching, up to 16
[19:05] <buZz> raspi only has a single input
[19:05] <Chillum> still, handy
[19:05] <Criminalised> so you're only able to stream one at a time?
[19:05] <buZz> but do note, it can switch within 0.07 seconds
[19:05] <Criminalised> then you'd need a script to switch to each?
[19:05] <Chillum> so you can setup some sort of round robin frame capture
[19:06] <buZz> i cant say anything thats not documented on the link
[19:06] <Criminalised> but even so, it'll only be one at a time
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[19:06] <Criminalised> All depends on what you're using it for
[19:06] <Chillum> Not sure you can do more than one even with USB. The camera port takes advantage of the GPU I htink
[19:06] <Criminalised> it's just if it's for surveillance it defeats the purpose
[19:07] <Criminalised> If it's for some art project then fine
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[19:08] <Chillum> a lot of surveillance systems rotate quickly between cameras. It results in a low frame rate from all cameras
[19:09] <Chillum> software can split it up into separate streams
[19:11] <buZz> we can split it
[19:11] <buZz> we have the technology
[19:12] <buZz> most surveillance systems (commercial ones) run at 5-10fps already
[19:12] <buZz> to lower requirements on storage
[19:12] <buZz> also, SHIT poor resolution
[19:12] <buZz> raspi cam can do way better
[19:12] <ozzzy> a still a second is enough
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[19:13] <Criminalised> Can't see how it works in practice
[19:13] <Chillum> I wonder how fast you could switch/grab frame and repeat
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[19:13] <Criminalised> If you have 6 cameras and each is flipping over at a second
[19:13] <Chillum> please let me know how it works in practice
[19:13] <Criminalised> then you have to wait 6 seconds for the camera to switch
[19:13] <Chillum> should be faster than that
[19:13] <buZz> 19:05:31 < buZz> but do note, it can switch within 0.07 seconds
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[19:14] <buZz> are you guys even reading?
[19:14] <buZz> i mean
[19:14] <buZz> at all?
[19:14] <Criminalised> well it has to last long enough for you to analyse on camera
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[19:14] <Criminalised> split it?
[19:14] <Criminalised> buZz, you mean it can be split?
[19:14] <Chillum> the trick will be recording which frames are on each camera as you capture
[19:14] <Chillum> once you know that splitting them out is easy enough
[19:15] <buZz> Criminalised: what do you want to split it for?
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[19:15] <Chillum> when it is time to review the footage you will want them demuxed
[19:15] <Criminalised> you mentioned it above
[19:15] <skwishy> seems easier to just use usb web cams tho
[19:15] <Criminalised> skwishy, agree
[19:15] <skwishy> or is there really a great advantage to the rpi cam that I'm just not seeing?
[19:15] <buZz> 5MP usb cameras are not as cheap
[19:15] <buZz> as 5MP raspi cameras are
[19:16] <Criminalised> Pi is excellent as a single 1080p
[19:16] <buZz> Criminalised: i dont see any reason to split the video whatsoever?
[19:16] <Chillum> how many usb cameras can a Pi handle before it is low on resources?
[19:16] <Criminalised> Neither do I
[19:16] <buZz> 1
[19:16] <skwishy> 1080p is a lot less than 5MP isnt' it?
[19:16] <buZz> skwishy: yes
[19:16] <Criminalised> buZz> we can split it
[19:16] <Criminalised> <buZz> we have the technology
[19:16] <buZz> yes you -can-
[19:16] <heller\> i think they should remove the camera header and replace it with something useful :p
[19:16] <buZz> but why?
[19:16] <Criminalised> You tell me
[19:16] <buZz> ?
[19:16] <Criminalised> I don't even know why it should be split
[19:17] <buZz> ...
[19:17] <Criminalised> I'm not advocating a split
[19:17] <skwishy> if the camera header were replaceed, I'd vote for wifi, or bluetooth
[19:17] <heller\> wifi hell yeah
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[19:17] <heller\> i could stop getting wifi for raspis
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[19:18] <skwishy> i'd replace ethernet with wifi if I could
[19:18] <skwishy> or make ethernet more of just a header
[19:18] <skwishy> but whatever, I still love my rpi :)
[19:20] <Criminalised> i don't know the camera functions well enough to understand this convo
[19:20] <heller\> skwishy: they should sell wifi version without ethernet
[19:20] <Armand> heller\: The Model A ?
[19:21] <heller\> because you can always use usb cameras, and im guessing more people like wifi over camera header
[19:21] <heller\> Armand: no wifi there
[19:21] <skwishy> maybe it's difficult to get open wifi hardware
[19:21] <Armand> heller\: But no LAN port.
[19:22] <heller\> Armand: i am aware
[19:22] <andocromn> LAN port = easy
[19:22] <heller\> yeah, LAN is so common
[19:22] <heller\> and then, to get WIFI work on all distors
[19:22] <heller\> distros
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[19:22] <buZz> skwishy: broadcom doesnt care about open
[19:22] <Armand> Being as it's still the best way to connect. :)
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[19:23] <buZz> skwishy: they only started caring after 1M raspis were sold and everybody was taking a piss at them
[19:23] <Chillum> built in wifi would be nice, but it would need to have a physical jump you can remove to disable its power or it would invalidate security applications
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[19:23] <Chillum> you don't want a lot of embedded devices to have that attack vector
[19:23] <buZz> jumper*
[19:23] <Chillum> yes jumper
[19:23] <Chillum> or a dip switch
[19:24] <Chillum> for example my offline bitcoin wallet printer needs a pi without wifi for security reasons
[19:24] <Armand> I avoid wifi wherever I can. It's ok for a tablet/phone or laptop.
[19:24] <skwishy> Chillum: great point
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[19:25] <Chillum> http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg <-- bitcoin wallet printer, powered off a Pi B
[19:25] <Chillum> taking advantage of the hw rng
[19:26] <buZz> is that code open?
[19:26] <Chillum> no wifi, no bluetooth or anything like that. Only input is a button. No swap and the user that creates the address and prints it has no write access to the disk using only ram
[19:26] <Chillum> buZz: if you want, but it is messy code
[19:27] <buZz> is it the 'piper' ?
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[19:27] <Chillum> I actually was not aware of the piper until after I made it
[19:27] <Chillum> this was from a kit meant to print twitter feeds
[19:27] <Chillum> http://code.highinbc.com/?printBitcoinWallet.py&py
[19:28] <buZz> oh
[19:28] <Chillum> messy code. Needs to be wrapped in a shell script that runs it in a loop
[19:28] <buZz> keydata = os.popen('/home/pi/vanitygen-master/vanitygen -s /dev/random 1').read().split("\n")
[19:28] <buZz> meh
[19:28] <Chillum> by a user with no write access to the drive
[19:28] <heller\> what is popen?
[19:28] <buZz> that was only part of code i was interested in :P
[19:28] <Chillum> let vanitygen do the heavy lifting, making your own keys is a recipe for making a mistake
[19:28] <buZz> process open
[19:29] <heller\> how does it differ from .ssytem?
[19:29] <heller\> .system
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[19:29] <Chillum> hehe
[19:29] <buZz> heller\: grabs the output
[19:29] <buZz> i guess
[19:29] <buZz> i dont py that much
[19:29] <heller\> .system takes direct shell commands
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[19:30] <Chillum> It is my first python script... I am sure I could do better
[19:30] <Chillum> but it works really well
[19:30] <buZz> ^_^
[19:31] <Chillum> I have turned on /dev/hwrng and hooked it to dev/random with rng-tools. Without that it will hang when dev/random is empty
[19:31] <heller\> hmm
[19:31] <heller\> os.popen('/sbin/shutdown -h 0')
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[19:31] <heller\> this could be done with os.system
[19:31] <heller\> wonder what the difference is
[19:31] <Chillum> I think with popen you can interact with it, and system just runs it
[19:31] <buZz> does os.system() let you grab the output of the program?
[19:32] <heller\> dunno :P
[19:32] <heller\> yes?
[19:32] <buZz> no clue
[19:32] <Chillum> I am not too good with python yet, just muddled through
[19:32] <buZz> 19:29:19 < buZz> i dont py that much
[19:32] <Chillum> I like it though
[19:33] <heller\> same here
[19:34] <Chillum> when making qr codes it is a good idea to put error correction on high. It helps when it is crumpled or damaged
[19:35] <buZz> yeah
[19:35] <buZz> or when using thermal printers ;)
[19:35] * Chillum has to learn to stop putting ;s in python
[19:35] <Chillum> so used to perl
[19:35] <buZz> -do- remind the ppl you print them for to make xerox copies
[19:35] <Chillum> yes, the thermal paper is not for long term use
[19:35] <buZz> NOT laminate the prints
[19:35] <buZz> etc
[19:35] <Chillum> haha
[19:35] <Chillum> lol @ laminating thermal paper
[19:36] <Chillum> "here is your black laminated paper sir!"
[19:36] <buZz> ^_^
[19:36] <buZz> people are just suprising :P
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[19:37] <_pash> hello i've read its possible to connect an old iphone screen to a raspberrypi with a MiPI ti HDMI
[19:37] <_pash> any other ideas how i can do that?
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[20:07] <Bilby> Update
[20:08] <Bilby> I tried changing the code to initialize logic high
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[20:08] <Bilby> and whatever happens when the chip bootstraps, it pulls all the pins low and high for just a moment
[20:09] <McBride36> what if you init low and then high
[20:09] <McBride36> do the switching yourself
[20:10] <Bilby> This is coming in before the init :/
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[20:10] <McBride36> boo
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[20:16] <Bilby> I know, right? I can probably put a filter cap on there somehow, but i don't know how to do it. dang you EE knowledge!
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[20:30] <manjaro_user__> do I need cooling parts
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[20:30] <Bilby> manjaro_user__ no
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[20:32] * Bilby remembers another electronics project he'd promised to someone
[20:32] <Bilby> oh... like more than a year ago. i should probably find the bits to that and finish it off
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[20:35] <McBride36> half finished projects are the worst
[20:35] <McBride36> i've got a bartending bot that needs to be finished
[20:36] <Bilby> This one is actually an easy project but i got side-tracked (as i do) and i was in a tiny place
[20:36] <Bilby> since then we've moved and I actually have some of my tools
[20:36] <Bilby> Guy wanted me to mod a tiny guitar amplifier for him
[20:36] <Bilby> I think i'm actually going to just build a clone of it and see how he likes it
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[20:40] <Spiffy> Quick question - just got me RPI2, and when I do a "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq " I get a value of "600000" - that isn't right is it?
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[20:43] <shiftplusone> Spiffy: depends on the scaling governor in use, I guess.
[20:44] <Spiffy> Haha - The exact moment you wrote that, I thought of that... Yeah, I have to look in to that. I forgot arm does scaling like that
[20:44] <Spiffy> It's a clean install of minibian, so I don't know what it is using
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[20:48] <Spiffy> Seems it is set to ondemand
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[20:49] <Spiffy> Setting it to performance, sets it to 900000 - makes perfect sense then
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[20:53] <Bilby> Do love me some Minibian
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[21:00] <Bilby> yay random box 'o' parts. fender rheostats, knobs, LEDs, power jack
[21:00] <Bilby> I need a small project box, an LM386 and a couple of caps and I'm good to go
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[21:03] <Chillum> nice
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[21:06] <Bilby> I got a suggestion to try a filtering cap for the relay, so I'm going to try that when I have a moment
[21:06] <Bilby> *and can get parts
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[21:19] <Brutussss> Anyone here right now that might know where to find a cheap 4/5/6 inch waterproof touchscreen that is raspberry compatible?
[21:19] <Brutussss> (or 7/8/9 for all I care) XD
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[21:23] <Bilby> You already asked that in here <_<
[21:24] <Brutussss> I know
[21:24] <Brutussss> still don't have an answer
[21:24] <Brutussss> I hoped that now, a few hours later, someone might be online with solution :P
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[21:26] <cehteh> most touchscreens dont work when wet
[21:26] <cehteh> (capacitative sensing)
[21:26] <cehteh> you can look for some industrial stuff with resistive touch sensor, but that wont be cheap
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[21:27] <cehteh> either way its more about how you mount and seal it, not about the touchscreen itself
[21:27] <Brutussss> There is a difference between don't work when wet and electrical failure
[21:28] <Brutussss> I don't care if it doesn't reply to my finger, as long as it doesn't die on me when it's raining
[21:28] <cehteh> yes, but no module with connectors is waterproof by itself
[21:28] <cehteh> you need some waterproof case with can withstand the pressure and a seal around the screen
[21:28] <Brutussss> yeah
[21:29] <cehteh> or no touch at all and just a sealed transparent case
[21:29] <Brutussss> yeah but then I can't control my navigation
[21:29] <Brutussss> And that's what I wish to have
[21:29] <cehteh> zipbag :)
[21:29] <Brutussss> Raspberrypi+sailfish+waze+gps tracker = navigation
[21:29] <Brutussss> oh no no way
[21:30] <cehteh> haha
[21:30] <Brutussss> It's a full custom chopper
[21:30] <cehteh> does sailfish run on the rpi?
[21:30] <Brutussss> no zipbags
[21:30] <Brutussss> yes
[21:30] <cehteh> nice
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[21:30] <Brutussss> if it works I wish to build it into my racer as well
[21:30] <Brutussss> and the cruisers I have
[21:31] <cehteh> well sailfish most likely needs a capacitative touchscreen because of the swipe gestures
[21:32] <Brutussss> i would love a captive touchscreen and as I've said, I don't care if it doesn't work when wet. I only care that it doesn't short circuit when wet
[21:32] <cehteh> just get a random one, get a good case, make a seal with silicone around the touchscreen
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[21:32] <cehteh> there are some waterproof coating sprays for electronics too
[21:32] <cehteh> should be enouh against rain and damp moisture
[21:32] <Brutussss> Would they work for 200k (km)
[21:33] <Brutussss> will be out in the open 24/7/365
[21:33] <cehteh> depends on how you build it
[21:33] <cehteh> this coating sprays are very effective even if the pcb gets wet
[21:33] <Brutussss> true, but a simple waterproof display would be so much more effective
[21:34] <Brutussss> and easy to work with
[21:34] <cehteh> there is no such thing :D
[21:34] <Brutussss> story of my life
[21:34] <cehteh> how would you connect that?
[21:34] <Brutussss> hopefully HDMI+USB?
[21:34] <cehteh> how to make hdmi connection waterproof?
[21:34] <Brutussss> http://starlinepc.com/index.php/waterproof-cables/hdmi-waterproof.html
[21:35] <Brutussss> first hit on google
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[21:35] <Bilby> Brutussss gotcha
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[21:36] <Brutussss> If I wanted to make it easy I would just purchase a tomtom rider and be done with it
[21:36] <Brutussss> I want a pretty version
[21:36] <Bilby> I hear ya
[21:37] <Brutussss> And I love waze
[21:38] <Bilby> so you're trying to DIY a GPS / nav unit?
[21:38] <Brutussss> yes :)
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[21:38] <Bilby> Neato :D
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[21:38] <Bilby> I saw Yeasu's mobile rig with handlebar mounts at Hamvention several years ago and thought it was the bees knees
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[21:39] <mgottschlag> Brutussss: heh, I'd expect that building this around a random waterproof smartphone would be a lot easier :D
[21:39] <mgottschlag> It's actually difficult to make something like this "pretty" :)
[21:39] <Brutussss> Bilby: I'm finding a HAM radio seller
[21:40] <Bilby> You might be able to find a small screen and tupperware it up haha
[21:40] <mgottschlag> especially when a pi rig never will be as compact as the average smartphone
[21:40] <Brutussss> mgottschlag: easy yes, but it needs to be pretty. I can "hide" it near the speedometer
[21:40] <Brutussss> I can hide the pide somewhere else
[21:41] <Brutussss> I got a box with my battery, LED driver and enough space for 5 or 6 Pi's
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[21:41] <Brutussss> or even a view slices of actual pie
[21:41] <Brutussss> *pide = pi
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[21:44] <edwardthefma> Hello all
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[21:45] <edwardthefma> Im thinking of over clocking my model b
[21:45] <edwardthefma> But im scarred I would mess it up
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[21:46] <edwardthefma> Any advice on how high I should set it
[21:46] <shiftplusone> you won't damage it
[21:47] <edwardthefma> Ok
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[21:47] <Bilby> Brutussss you can't do a map, but you might be able to do turn-by-turn directions by pushing text out to LED displays
[21:48] <Bilby> that'd be cool and really fit the motorcycle better than a big 'ol LCD
[21:48] <shiftplusone> edwardthefma: is this a pi 1 or a pi 2?
[21:48] <edwardthefma> Pi 1
[21:48] <shiftplusone> The warranty void condition for a pi 1: (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[21:48] <edwardthefma> Model b
[21:48] <Brutussss> Bilby: I would love to use waze
[21:48] <Brutussss> Bilby: I use it for my car navigation, I use it when cycling, I use it for everything. It's perfect
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[21:49] <edwardthefma> Its allredy a year old
[21:49] <Bilby> Isn't that a rap artist? #feelold
[21:49] <shiftplusone> so if you don't overvolt, you're safe. If you do want to overvolt, don't override the other protection in place.
[21:49] <Chillum> temp of 85? wow, I have not gotten them over 63
[21:49] <Bilby> [post-googling] Well, that's pretty shiney.
[21:49] <edwardthefma> Ok
[21:50] <edwardthefma> Im going to buy a pi 2 soon
[21:50] <edwardthefma> Can't wate to get my windows 10 image
[21:50] <shiftplusone> pi 2 is the same, but if overvolted a little by default, so don't mess with the protection.
[21:51] <simonpatapon> i was surprise by the price of the PI2
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[21:51] <shiftplusone> edwardthefma: note that it's not a desktop windows 10. It's IoT (internet of things). It may or may not have a GUI.
[21:51] <edwardthefma> I found out why windows 10 is comming to the pi
[21:51] <simonpatapon> says 35$... with a case, an microSD, a powerchord... duty ans taxe in canada got it for 140 bucks :(
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[21:51] <shiftplusone> It's more for flashing LEDs
[21:51] <skwishy> can someone recommend a good usb camera for the rpi2? something not too expensive, and bonus for ir leds?
[21:51] <shiftplusone> skwishy: why USB?
[21:52] <skwishy> shiftplusone: I want multiple cams per rpi
[21:52] <Chillum> wants more than 1
[21:52] <FrEaKmAn_> hi all.. is it safe (sd card limits( to save records into sqlite database (running raspian)?
[21:52] <Brutussss> I heard it's not a full windows 10
[21:52] <Brutussss> but who cares
[21:52] <shiftplusone> Oh, I can't recommend that at all.
[21:52] <Brutussss> FrEaKmAn_: if you wish to have serious wear on your sdcard
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[21:52] <Brutussss> You can, just don't use it for production
[21:53] <FrEaKmAn_> Brutussss, what are alternatives?
[21:53] <Brutussss> placing it on a normal disk over usb?
[21:53] <shiftplusone> sd card wear isn't really as much of a thing as people seem to think. I just think multiple USB webcams might be too much to ask from the USB stack.
[21:54] <Brutussss> shiftplusone: depends on the database
[21:54] <FrEaKmAn_> db is 50mb max.. no need for normal disk
[21:54] <Bilby> FrEaKmAn_ you should be fine for nominal usage
[21:54] <Brutussss> FrEaKmAn_: try it and see
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[21:54] <Bilby> skwishy you might borrow a few and try it first before buying them
[21:54] <FrEaKmAn_> because right now (on other system) I write every 5 seconds
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[21:54] <Brutussss> 50mb database doesn't say much, if it's a database that doesn't get used a lot it's fine, if you get a serious amount of db writes a second, I would advise soemthing else
[21:55] <Bilby> depending no your resolution and framerate that's a lot of data
[21:55] <FrEaKmAn_> so idea here was to store in memory and then save every 5 minutes
[21:55] <Brutussss> FrEaKmAn_: ohhhhhhhhhhhh, that's it?
[21:55] <Brutussss> go ahead!
[21:55] <shiftplusone> I don't think the database matters at all, sd cards do wear levelling anyway. If you compute how much data you would need to write to use up the rated write cycles at the maximum speed, you'll find that you don't have that much time to waste.
[21:55] <Brutussss> FrEaKmAn_: that would be perfect
[21:56] <Brutussss> it all depends on the load of the database in writes per second. If you put a serious database on a solid disk (SD/SSD/CF etc) it would result in a lot of wear. SSD not *that* much but still
[21:56] <shiftplusone> I think the quality of the card and your luck matters much more.
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[21:57] <Brutussss> In your case it shouldn't be noticable in the next 4 years or so
[21:57] <skwishy> is there some sort of disk/memory caching you can increase for ext4?
[21:57] <skwishy> to limit sdcard writes?
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[21:57] <Brutussss> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Tips_for_minimizing_disk_reads.2Fwrites
[21:58] <Brutussss> that, mostly
[21:58] <FrEaKmAn_> Brutussss, where did you get the number 4 years?
[21:58] <Chillum> not using swap helps
[21:58] <skwishy> https://developer.ridgerun.com/wiki/index.php/High_performance_SD_card_tuning_using_the_EXT4_file_system
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[21:58] <Brutussss> FrEaKmAn_: it's the maximum amount of years a physical server is in production udner my control
[21:59] <Brutussss> :)
[21:59] <shiftplusone> most of those articles are hilariously wrong and based on things which were true 20 years ago.
[21:59] <Brutussss> could be 10
[21:59] <shiftplusone> I trust that arch wiki is somewhat trustworthy though.
[21:59] <Brutussss> skwishy: "there is currently no text in this page"
[21:59] <Chillum> noatime is good advice.
[22:00] <Bilby> Everything I've seen seems to indicate there are zero things even vaguely cost-effective to do to preserve the life of an SD card
[22:00] <Brutussss> indeed
[22:00] <Brutussss> Bilby: not everything has to be cost effective
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[22:01] <shiftplusone> Or effective at all... some people just want to do things because it makes them feel better.
[22:01] <Chillum> using it less helps. Like if you want to write a file then gzip it it either do it in a pipeline or store the temp file in a ramdisk
[22:01] <Bilby> okay, take that out, "effective" applies just as much
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[22:01] <skwishy> ramdisk caching seems like a cheap solution to me
[22:01] <Brutussss> noatime is actually a way to decrease the wear on a solid device.
[22:01] <Brutussss> ramdisk works best indeed
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[22:02] <Brutussss> ran a hyper-v systems with several linux database systems in a ramdisk with veeam as a backup with 10gb fiber to the core switch. talking about speed.
[22:03] <Brutussss> (VM's in a ramdisk)
[22:03] <shiftplusone> heh
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[22:03] <shiftplusone> I used to run a minecraft server from a ramdisk... The difference is... noticeable.
[22:04] <Brutussss> it is
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[22:05] <FrEaKmAn_> ramdisk?
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[22:05] <Brutussss> but seriously, a R810 with 1TB of RAM (900GB as ramdisk) with 4 linux servers having their databases on it
[22:05] <ppq> there is a debian-based live-cd that loads the entire uncompressed squashfs into ram at boot. i forgot the name but it is pretty fast
[22:05] <Brutussss> FrEaKmAn_: "harddisk" in your RAM memory
[22:05] <shiftplusone> 1TB of RAM?
[22:05] * shiftplusone drools
[22:05] <Brutussss> :)
[22:06] <Brutussss> lol
[22:06] <shiftplusone> Data loss must be a fun concern though
[22:06] <Brutussss> why
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[22:06] <shiftplusone> because I tend to accidentally kick the power switch >_<
[22:06] <Brutussss> hahahahahahaha
[22:07] <Brutussss> had a front cover with lock on it, not witouth reason
[22:07] <Brutussss> biometric access to the serverroom
[22:07] <Brutussss> bombproof walls (literaly)
[22:08] <shiftplusone> Must be hell of a minecraft server
[22:08] <Brutussss> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[22:08] <Brutussss> Would be awesome to run one on that
[22:08] <Brutussss> no lag, at all
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[22:08] <ppq> the other night i dreamed about a pc that has regular dram (fast), the same amount of nvram and a large capacitor, so when theres a power blackout all data is saved to nvram, and when you turn it on it will be in exactly the same state as before
[22:08] <mgottschlag> I've heard a funny story once about one of these bunker-like server rooms
[22:09] <nfk|laptop> i just did an apt-get upgrade and i'm not running an older kernel, what gives?
[22:09] <mgottschlag> turns out it isn't such a good idea to wire the door's access control to the same supply as the computers, within the server room
[22:09] <shiftplusone> I dreamt that I had an assignment due in the morning which I haven't done. The I woke up and remembered I'm an adult >.>
[22:09] <nfk|laptop> weirdly the build number actually incremented
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[22:09] <Brutussss> 4 Xeon processors, 1TB of RAM, 2 or 3 TB of SSD storage (no oldschool hdd's) and it runs a minecraft server
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[22:09] <Brutussss> "yeah but boss, it runs on JAVA!!!"
[22:09] <nfk|laptop> *i'm now running an older kernel
[22:09] <Brutussss> "oh then I understand it"
[22:09] <shiftplusone> nfk|laptop: what were you running before?
[22:10] <ppq> mgorbach, heh, at my old uni the data center actually is in an old ww2 barracks bunker
[22:10] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: apt-get distupgrade ?
[22:10] <Brutussss> apt-get update is only normal updates, not kernel
[22:10] <nfk|laptop> before: inux raspberrypi 3.18.10+ #774 PREEMPT Wed Mar 25 13:58:34 GMT 2015 armv6l
[22:10] <nfk|laptop> *Linux
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[22:10] <nfk|laptop> now: Linux raspberrypi 3.18.7+ #755 PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:14:31 GMT 2015 armv6l
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[22:10] <shiftplusone> nfk|laptop: you must've ran rpi-update before then.
[22:11] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, has nothing to upgrade
[22:11] <Brutussss> mgottschlag: we have a datacenter near my house that's in a nuclear bunker
[22:11] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: that's weird
[22:11] <strobelight> any gstreamer users? "gst-launch playbin uri=file:///opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video/test.h264" plays that test video upside down and mirrored.
[22:11] <nfk|laptop> shiftplusone, yes, last week
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[22:11] <Brutussss> 3.18 is recent
[22:11] <Brutussss> what distro are you using?
[22:11] <shiftplusone> nfk|laptop: well there you go.... rpi-update bumped your kernel to bleeding edge. apt-get brought it back to stable.
[22:11] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, are you seeing build dates and the third number?
[22:11] <nfk|laptop> raspbian or whatever it's called
[22:11] <mgottschlag> well, in that particular situation they ended wasting a whole week to drill a hole into the wall to be able to repair the front door :D
[22:12] <nfk|laptop> shiftplusone, wtf
[22:12] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: https://www.kernel.org/
[22:12] <nfk|laptop> shiftplusone, also it makes no sense that rpi-update now tells me the firmware is up to date
[22:12] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, take a hike
[22:12] <Brutussss> you are on the longterm as it is
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[22:12] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: excuse me?
[22:12] <nfk|laptop> why are you linking kernel.org?
[22:12] <Brutussss> read the info on the front page
[22:13] <nfk|laptop> read what?
[22:13] <Brutussss> oh excuse me, i read your original question wrong
[22:13] <Brutussss> nevermind
[22:13] <nfk|laptop> you do realise i'm talking about 3.18.10+ being downgraded to 3.18.7+ ---- SEE THAT SEVEN THERE???
[22:13] <Brutussss> you have a downgraded kernel
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[22:14] <shiftplusone> nfk|laptop: rpi-update is a hack which conflicts with apt-get. If you want it to run anyway, delete .firmware-revision or whatever it's called in /boot. Also, don't be a jerk.
[22:14] <nfk|laptop> shiftplusone, i thought rpi-update is how one updates firmware
[22:14] <nfk|laptop> and i'm a jerk
[22:14] <shiftplusone> nope, the raspberrypi-bootloader package contains the firmware as well
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[22:14] <nfk|laptop> what insanity
[22:15] <shiftplusone> rpi-update just pulls the latest off github, which is just for development.
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> so i got pranked last week
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> yep, got pranked
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> thanks for explaining
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[22:15] <shiftplusone> no worries
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> is there some documentation on administering raspbian?
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[22:16] <shiftplusone> 99% of the debian stuff.
[22:16] <nfk|laptop> i can handle gentoo with my eyes closed and i'm sort of handling debian but i'd like some kind of summary about things unique to rasbian
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[22:17] <shiftplusone> raspbian is debian armhf recompiled for armv6. Then the raspberry pi foundation adds their own packages on top.
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[22:17] <shiftplusone> which you don't have to use
[22:17] <nfk|laptop> and which have no documentation on the pi itself
[22:17] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: apt-get is all you need unless you actually have a proper reason to use the updated kernel
[22:17] <nfk|laptop> or is there some package that installs manpages?
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[22:18] <Brutussss> I would advise to stick to apt-get, much easier, more documentation etc
[22:18] <Brutussss> there aren't any man pages?
[22:18] <nfk|laptop> not by default, no
[22:18] <Brutussss> I haven't used raspian in a while I notice
[22:18] <shiftplusone> man pages for what?
[22:19] <nfk|laptop> stuff like rpi-update that would explain that it's not what you want to use
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[22:19] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that's not there.
[22:19] <buZz> nfk|laptop: not even for ls ?
[22:19] <Brutussss> oh wow you are right
[22:20] <nfk|laptop> who needs a manpage for ls?
[22:20] <shiftplusone> man pages for all the standard stuff are there
[22:20] <buZz> everybody
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[22:20] <nfk|laptop> indeed, man ls exists - pointless
[22:20] <nfk|laptop> ls -lah is all you will ever need to know
[22:20] <buZz> man sed, man grep
[22:20] <buZz> man dd
[22:20] <buZz> etc
[22:20] <buZz> stuff you need :P
[22:20] <nfk|laptop> buZz, basically stuff that i can just look up on my other linux systems...
[22:21] <buZz> which manpage arent on it then?
[22:21] <buZz> and does one even exist?
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[22:21] <shiftplusone> buZz: the foundation stuff.
[22:21] <buZz> which is ?
[22:21] <shiftplusone> omxplayer, for example, has a manpage. tvservice doesn't.
[22:21] <nfk|laptop> and that you probably knew anyway if you already had a linux background though of course for a noob it's good to have them if it's the only system but then again how will such a noob in some 3rd world country know about man anyway?
[22:21] <shiftplusone> vcgencmd is missing a man page as well
[22:21] <Brutussss> if you reinstall a program the manpage get's added though
[22:21] <Brutussss> which is not a solution, but a workaround
[22:22] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: can you explain awk in every detail that a manpage can?
[22:22] <nfk|laptop> even worse
[22:22] <nfk|laptop> i don't know awk
[22:22] <Brutussss> do you know every option to egrep?
[22:22] <buZz> shiftplusone: sounds to me more like nobody ever wrote the manpage
[22:23] <shiftplusone> buZz: that's exactly it.
[22:23] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, i know the stuff i need to know
[22:23] <Brutussss> buZz: they don't appear to be available by default, they should be though
[22:23] <nfk|laptop> such as grep -v
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[22:23] <Brutussss> sure an invert grep can be usefull
[22:23] <shiftplusone> Brutussss: what are you talking about? Are you running some hacky third party image with documentation stripped out?
[22:23] <buZz> denying documentation is just booking a oneway ticket to noobheaven
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[22:24] <Brutussss> shiftplusone: I'm not, according to this conversation and several online pages I checked, the manpages are stripped from raspbian
[22:24] <buZz> Brutussss: feel free to link to the manpage
[22:24] <shiftplusone> Brutussss: they're not.
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[22:24] <Brutussss> shiftplusone: oh
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[22:25] <nfk|laptop> $ man raspistill
[22:25] <shiftplusone> It's just that there are a handful of tools which you'd need to google the documentation for because it doesn't come in man page form.
[22:25] <nfk|laptop> No manual entry for raspisti
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[22:25] <Brutussss> ahhh ok
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[22:26] <Brutussss> my bad :)
[22:26] <ali1234> raspicam stuff is basically undocumented though
[22:26] <nfk|laptop> how nice
[22:26] <ali1234> it has documentation which is two years out of date and doesn't reflect actual usage at all
[22:26] <nfk|laptop> and i'm about to write a server that encodes raspi cam on the fly
[22:26] <ali1234> your best bet is to read the source code
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[22:26] <ali1234> alternatively, don't use them and use python-picamera instead, which has excellent documentation
[22:26] <shiftplusone> the source code of raspicam is indeed documentation for mmal.
[22:26] <nfk|laptop> exactly what i never want to do
[22:27] <nfk|laptop> mmal?
[22:27] <shiftplusone> a simplified openmax-based interface
[22:27] <shiftplusone> there's openmax, but it's not as functional or simple
[22:27] <nfk|laptop> oh, that might be useful
[22:28] <shiftplusone> though I don't think mmal is particularly simple either... it's quite a hassle. =/
[22:28] <nfk|laptop> btw, how many videos can be encoded at the same time by hardware?
[22:28] <ozzzy> it's a boring afternoon -> http://ozzzy.dyndns.org:8080/cgi-bin/showEnv
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[22:28] <nfk|laptop> i'd like to server different bitrates of at least vp8 (or if possible vp9) and h.264
[22:29] <shiftplusone> ozzzy: handy page to have if you're ever wondering how many cores your pi currently has =P
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[22:29] <nfk|laptop> *serve
[22:29] * nfk|laptop yawns
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[22:29] <shiftplusone> Especially if you need that information at your fingertips 24/7 >_<
[22:30] <ozzzy> hey... it's a boring afternoon
[22:30] <ozzzy> I can find out exactly how cold I am
[22:30] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:30] <buZz> ozzzy: maybe add graph of how many cores it has over time? :P
[22:30] <ozzzy> that would take more bash fanciness than I want to summon up right now
[22:31] <buZz> ambient temp?
[22:31] <ozzzy> yep
[22:31] <buZz> how do you measure that
[22:31] <ozzzy> with a DS18B20
[22:31] <buZz> ah externally
[22:31] <shiftplusone> Well, surely you measure the CPU temperature using the onboard functionality
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[22:32] <ozzzy> yep
[22:32] <ozzzy> the only thing external is the temp sensor
[22:33] <ozzzy> the rest is just bash
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[22:33] <buZz> coolcool
[22:33] <ozzzy> /proc is your friend
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[22:33] <Brutussss> are any of you guys american?
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[22:34] <buZz> not me
[22:34] * shiftplusone looks around for guns.
[22:34] <shiftplusone> nope, don't seem to be.
[22:34] <Brutussss> hehe
[22:34] <buZz> :)
[22:34] <Brutussss> That and cars would be reason for me to want to be american though
[22:35] <shiftplusone> There's tea, but I don't think I'm British though, so I think the test methodology is flawed.
[22:35] <l_r> nfk|laptop, uv4l supports vp8 and webrtc
[22:35] <Brutussss> hehehehee
[22:35] <niston> hey ! (shiftplusone)
[22:35] * ozzzy can't afford to be an American
[22:36] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[22:36] <ozzzy> AVAAAAAAST
[22:36] <Brutussss> I would like to make some comment on things like that that would prove I'm dutch but I do think it would violate channel regulations XD
[22:36] <niston> had a look at "better call saul" ?
[22:36] <shiftplusone> Yeah, the first few episodes... hasn't grabbed me yet, but I'll keep watching.
[22:36] <buZz> Brutussss: they have cars in .nl
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[22:36] <buZz> also american cars
[22:36] <niston> #8 is quite good, I recommend
[22:36] <Brutussss> wasn't talking about cars. we have cars but they are really expensive
[22:37] <niston> checking out #9 now
[22:37] <Brutussss> Even I own a 4 wheeler
[22:37] <buZz> Brutussss: my last car in .nl was free ..
[22:37] <Brutussss> not to keep it on the road
[22:37] <buZz> nope
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[22:37] <nfk|laptop> l_r, uv4l? i understand v4l part but what is that uv4l?
[22:37] <buZz> on the other hand, we have well maintained roads
[22:37] <Brutussss> I got a terrible car. uses the same amount of fuel as an american muscle car but it's new and tiny
[22:37] <shiftplusone> I don't really have much time for TV. Between pretending to work and IRC, I just about have time to sleep.
[22:37] <Brutussss> true true
[22:38] <nfk|laptop> also webrt is a standard for chatting, i think
[22:38] <Brutussss> webrt?
[22:38] <nfk|laptop> *webrtc
[22:38] <l_r> nfk|laptop, i dont know...but google may help
[22:38] <Brutussss> oh
[22:38] <Brutussss> never used that
[22:39] <buZz> nfk|laptop: standard for streamed video indeed
[22:39] <Brutussss> so this is a channel with no active american citizens in it, that's strange
[22:39] <l_r> nfk|laptop, i know it supports webrtc with live videp+ audio streaming finally
[22:39] <buZz> almost 5PM in NYC
[22:39] <nfk|laptop> l_r, so it's something specific to raspberry pi, thanks for the tip
[22:40] <Brutussss> buZz: hmm yeah that makes sense
[22:40] <buZz> man(1) uv4l-raspicam man page man(1)
[22:40] <buZz> wooot
[22:40] <buZz> a MANPAGE
[22:40] <buZz> :P
[22:40] <Brutussss> hehe
[22:40] <buZz> This is the Userspace Video4Linux2 driver for the
[22:40] <buZz> Dual Raspberry Pi CSI Camera Board with support for
[22:40] <buZz> Stereoscopic vision.
[22:40] <buZz> wat
[22:40] <buZz> dual .. stereoscopic? :O
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[22:42] <l_r> this is the main page i think http://www.linux-projects.org
[22:42] <nfk|laptop> it does work with the normal camera, right?
[22:42] <l_r> yes
[22:42] <nfk|laptop> also will it use the hardware encoder?
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> buZz: that's compute module only.
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> the dual camera and stereo part
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[22:43] <buZz> oh really?
[22:43] <shiftplusone> indeed
[22:44] <nfk|laptop> l_r, do i need to disable camera before using the v4l driver or will that disable it completely?
[22:45] <l_r> i did not do it so i think it should just work
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[22:48] <nfk|laptop> yeah, just wondering
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[23:05] <nfk|laptop> do i suspect correctly that raspbain actually uses libav not ffmpeg?
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[23:06] <shiftplusone> what do you mean by 'uses'?
[23:07] <nfk|laptop> ships
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[23:07] <nfk|laptop> better?
[23:07] <shiftplusone> they're both available, but the operating system doesn't 'use' either.
[23:07] <shiftplusone> I think omxplayer comes with the image, which relies on ffmpeg
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[23:07] <nfk|laptop> shiftplusone, looking at apt-cache search ffmpeg i get the impression that ffmpeg is probably just a fake that pulls in libav
[23:08] <nfk|laptop> since it says transitional package
[23:08] <ozzzy> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/new-arm-powered-chip-aims-for-battery-life-measured-in-decades/
[23:08] <strobelight> Brutussss: I'm american
[23:08] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I only understood your question fully after I checked, sorry.
[23:08] <shiftplusone> pi@astropi ~/RTIMULib/build/RTIMULibDrive20 $ command ffmpeg
[23:08] <shiftplusone> ffmpeg version 0.8.16-6:0.8.16-1+rpi1, Copyright (c) 2000-2014 the Libav developers
[23:08] <nfk|laptop> ozzzy, i wanna see a battery that won't self-discharge within a decade
[23:08] <flounders> nfk|laptop: That's a Debian thing.
[23:08] <nfk|laptop> flounders, isn't raspbian debian?
[23:09] <shiftplusone> it's a debian derivative, to be pedantic.
[23:09] <flounders> nfk|laptop: It is, that's why it's that way.
[23:09] <nfk|laptop> shiftplusone, yep, that's libav - copyright and version is also too low for ffmpeg, i think
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[23:10] <nfk|laptop> shiftplusone, to be pedantic kubuntu is also derived from debian not ubuntu (but is compatible with ubuntu and ships ubuntu stuff - i have no idea how, don't ask)
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[23:10] <shiftplusone> bah.... does it mix debian and ubuntu repos? O_o
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[23:10] <nfk|laptop> no, it's binary compatible with ubuntu while being derived from debian according to themselves
[23:10] <nfk|laptop> *themselves
[23:10] <flounders> Does anyone watch YouTube videos on their 2 Bs?
[23:11] <nfk|laptop> oh right, got it right the first time already
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[23:17] <edwardthefma> Hey u have a overclocking question
[23:17] <edwardthefma> I
[23:17] <nfk|laptop> good for you
[23:17] <shiftplusone> I don't know, that looks more like a statement.
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[23:18] <nfk|laptop> ditto
[23:18] <edwardthefma> Is the pi 2 option safe for the pi1
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[23:19] <shiftplusone> edwardthefma: I would stick to that warranty void condition I gave you earlier.
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[23:19] <shiftplusone> in other words, don't overvolt or override safety features.
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[23:20] <nfk|laptop> besides i doubt it's gonna get that much faster given my overclocking experience with intel cpu's
[23:20] <nfk|laptop> cpu is usually slowed down by memory and pipeline stalls
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[23:21] <nfk|laptop> sure, arm is different but i can't image it's gonna linearly scale with cpu frequency but do prove me wrong, gurus
[23:22] <shiftplusone> I think actual gurus don't care about proving strangers on the internet wrong.
[23:22] <nfk|laptop> T_T
[23:22] <nfk|laptop> too bussy meditating, i guess
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[23:23] <shiftplusone> ozzzy: I see you moved the cores things! XD
[23:24] <shiftplusone> (just noticed I still had the tab open)
[23:24] <ozzzy> yeah... up to the CPU line
[23:25] <nfk|laptop> btw, my raspbian doesn't have uv4l
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[23:25] <l_r> nfk|laptop, you should install the debs maybe
[23:26] <nfk|laptop> so it's not on the repo?
[23:26] <nfk|laptop> *in
[23:26] <l_r> i dont think so...there are instructions somewhere
[23:26] <l_r> to install it
[23:27] <nfk|laptop> the website i found (and you or someone else also linked) only says apt-get update; apt-get upgrade which implies it used to be installed by default at some point
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[23:27] <l_r> let me see
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[23:29] <nfk|laptop> l_r, found it
[23:29] <l_r> good
[23:29] <nfk|laptop> so the page i found failed to mention it's on an extra repository
[23:30] <Brutussss> :)
[23:31] <nfk|laptop> but python3 raspcamera stuff does work by default, right? i think i'll try to do some magic with that
[23:32] <nfk|laptop> how hard can it be to mux mp4 by hand... is what i'd say but i already pretty much know it's gonna be hell and more
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[23:33] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: and now remove systemd from your system and upgrade it to sysvinit
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[23:34] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, stop trolling or i'll put you on ignore
[23:34] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: it was a joke
[23:34] <Brutussss> relaxe
[23:34] <nfk|laptop> no, it's not a joke, it's being dumb
[23:35] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: if you manage a load of linux and unix servers, systemd isn't a joke, it's annoying
[23:35] <nfk|laptop> i'm pretty sure raspbian doens't even have systemd
[23:35] <nfk|laptop> i actually like it on the one system it's on and that happens to be gentoo a.k.a. the last stronghold of anti-systemd folks
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[23:36] <Brutussss> yeah I know it is. I manage a load of servers, most use systemvinit, it makes it all pretty confusing
[23:36] <nfk|laptop> sure, networking for servers with systemd is hell but that's because no one has bothered to port gentoo's network script to it because gentoo devs mostly don't care and the rest use networkmanager
[23:37] <nfk|laptop> other than that, it's pretty much same or better
[23:37] <nfk|laptop> same performance, more consistency, etc
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[23:37] <nfk|laptop> and now, if you'll excuse me, i'm back to actually doing something
[23:38] <Brutussss> I have to admit, I have to check gentoo out someday.
[23:38] <Brutussss> I understand
[23:39] <Brutussss> Good luck with your camera by the way
[23:39] <nfk|laptop> thanks
[23:39] <Brutussss> My next thing is going to be linux from scratch. I really wish to do that to learn more about the system tiself
[23:39] <nfk|laptop> pointless
[23:39] <edwardthefma> (shiftplusone) im not worryd about voding a warranty
[23:39] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: not for learning
[23:40] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, quite
[23:40] <nfk|laptop> looked over it once, boring and pointless
[23:40] <Brutussss> I'm not going to make a production system with LFS
[23:40] <nfk|laptop> production? even usable is nearly impossible
[23:40] <Brutussss> true, but i hope I will learn from it
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[23:40] <Brutussss> that's the main goal I have for LFS
[23:41] <nfk|laptop> even getting gentoo up to polish and integration of a dekstop distro is not something i can do with 10 years of gentooing behind me
[23:41] <nfk|laptop> that's from back when using gentoo made you leet
[23:41] <nfk|laptop> not 1337, that was already out of style
[23:42] <muriani> I had gentoo pretty well desktop'd on my powerbook
[23:42] <nfk|laptop> LFS is gonna be that times 100
[23:42] <muriani> ....except that's because I emerged gnome
[23:42] <muriani> the whole thing
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[23:42] <muriani> it took 4 days.
[23:42] <nfk|laptop> muriani, but was it just as good as ubuntu from the same period?
[23:42] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: I know it is, but as a learning project I don't think it will be bad
[23:42] <muriani> Slightly better, due to some tuning
[23:42] <muriani> ubuntu on ppc suuucks
[23:43] <muriani> gentoo sucked slightly less
[23:43] <Brutussss> It will hopefully give me extra insights into the system itself, learn more about bootup processes and the kernel
[23:43] <muriani> I eventually just gave up and bought a MorphOS license
[23:44] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, i can't imagine what you'll learn from LFS that you wouldn't have learned by hacking Gentoo which you can do as you use it as your primary system
[23:44] <nfk|laptop> not by artificially learning something on a system you'll never use seriously
[23:44] <nfk|laptop> well, you could but it's gonna get bad quickly as it lacks any kind of package management
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[23:44] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: I'll try to run gentoo as a desktop system and use it for a while. I'm currently running Arch on my main system and that is pretty easy so far
[23:45] <Brutussss> I have two drives in my laptop, one is currently empty anyway. I'll try that
[23:45] <nfk|laptop> muriani, but how about ubuntu form the same perioud on pc?
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[23:46] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, i'll just point out that it's very rare anyone converts from arch to gentoo
[23:46] <nfk|laptop> besides arch is pretty much the same
[23:46] <muriani> on a PC of that era?
[23:46] <nfk|laptop> if you want, hack on it and you'll learn stuff
[23:46] <muriani> considering it's a 1.5GHz G4... hm... what was the PC equivalent then?
[23:46] <muriani> 2GHz P4?
[23:46] <nfk|laptop> 3 GHz P4
[23:47] <muriani> for a top end, yeah
[23:47] <Bilby> maaaybe
[23:47] <Brutussss> I'm learning everyday. managing opensuse, sunos, omnios, netbsd, centos and ubuntu server as a day job
[23:47] <muriani> but 1.5GHz G4 isn't top end
[23:47] <nfk|laptop> muriani, i'm talking about integration not performance
[23:47] <Bilby> I've used some G4s... I guess speed-wise they felt about the same as a P4 from that period
[23:47] <muriani> oh, you mean the emerge itself?
[23:47] <muriani> I dunno, I've only done it on the G43
[23:48] <muriani> *G4
[23:48] <muriani> and that was just a couple of years ago
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[23:48] <nfk|laptop> it's easy to clobber together something but it's hard when you'd like to have a proper desktop environment but then again if you are a gnomer then you won't understand what a desktop environment is
[23:48] <nfk|laptop> since the only true DE is KDE
[23:48] <nfk|laptop> and that's that
[23:48] <muriani> lol
[23:48] <muriani> kde is nice now
[23:48] <nfk|laptop> always was
[23:48] <Brutussss> I like KDE
[23:49] <muriani> 3.5 was good, and then it seemed to suck for a bit
[23:49] <Bilby> I'm using Mint now, I liked ubuntu until the current UI and then blech
[23:49] <muriani> early KDE4... eh
[23:49] <muriani> they've really progressed a lot though.
[23:49] <Brutussss> Oh my, Unity... that's so bad
[23:49] <nfk|laptop> Bilby, so you like your gnome colored in... that color
[23:49] <muriani> We're considering replacing our macs at work with KDE machines
[23:49] <Brutussss> I used to like Gnome and disliked KDE but for some reason something changed and I started to dislike Gnome and starting to like KDE
[23:50] <ozzzy> I've never liked gnome
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[23:50] <Bilby> I don't really have any affinity with a particular UI. Just something that works for the specific need
[23:50] <Bilby> I tend to only roll linux desktops for single-purpose machines
[23:50] <Brutussss> In the "old" days when Ubuntu just started and they used Gnome, it was sort of ok. You could get a windows user to convert to linux with gnome
[23:50] <Brutussss> I do like KDE a lot more now
[23:51] <nfk|laptop> i started with kde 3.3 or something like that and never could stand gnome for more than few weeks
[23:51] <Brutussss> I can't get along with openbox, i3, fluxbox etc
[23:51] <ozzzy> I went from OpenSTEP to KDE and stayed there
[23:51] <nfk|laptop> i3 is pretty neat
[23:51] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: I can understand that.
[23:51] <nfk|laptop> as long as you don't expect more from it than it is
[23:52] <nfk|laptop> and that means no desktop environment for you
[23:52] <Brutussss> For me it's either CLI or desktop. I can't "feel" the i3/openbox/fluxbox environments
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[23:53] <nfk|laptop> i3 is just glorious CLI
[23:53] <nfk|laptop> with real graphics and 3D
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[23:53] <nfk|laptop> like tmux on marthian steroid nanomachines
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[23:54] <muriani> tiling managers are fun sometimes
[23:54] <Brutussss> wow I actually had to google that
[23:54] <nfk|laptop> kwin could tile
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[23:54] <nfk|laptop> and there are scripts to make it tile again
[23:54] <nfk|laptop> one such script is on my hdd, written by myself
[23:54] <nfk|laptop> but it's not production worthy
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[23:54] <Brutussss> I use terminator a lot, I love that application. It's like using that tmux in a desktop environment, sort off
[23:54] <nfk|laptop> i even look at it and wonder why it works because it really should not work at all
[23:54] <nfk|laptop> but it's even stable
[23:54] <Brutussss> (just looking at pictures of it)
[23:55] <gtrmtx> hey guys..working with raspbian and unifi video server version am using minimal kiosk browser and i am able to view the live view from the ip of each individual camera, but if i try to do live view from the unifi video server it's just black. how do i get it to work?
[23:55] <nfk|laptop> Brutussss, tmux is simply screen that's actually pleasant to use
[23:56] <nfk|laptop> but go ahead, google gnu screen
[23:56] <Brutussss> nfk|laptop: I will look into that.
[23:56] <Brutussss> I use screen on a daily basis
[23:57] <nfk|laptop> if you can actually not puke from screen then you might not want to switch to tmux
[23:57] <nfk|laptop> i on the other hand was ready to throw it against the wall by the end of the day
[23:58] <Brutussss> I use screen because it's the best I've seen so far to keep my irssi alive w/o using &. I'll look into tmux
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