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IRC Log for 2015-04-16

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[0:00] <brennen> seems 'bout right.
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[0:00] <ahop> ok
[0:00] <TheLostAdmin> you might need to fiddle with windows domain/workgroup names too. Might not.
[0:00] <pksato> if house have a access point, just connect rpi to it. not need to make rpi as AP.
[0:01] <ahop> yes pksato but then I would need to connect RPi to house AP
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[0:01] <ahop> that's impossible wiht that closed box: http://samplerbox.org
[0:01] <ahop> I would need to add a keyboard on the box, only to be able to choose which Wifi, to write password, etc.
[0:02] <pksato> you can not connect other device to house ap?
[0:02] <ahop> pksato look at this : http://gget.it/y0nmfj35/samplerbox.jpg
[0:02] <ahop> it's a closed box
[0:02] <pksato> ?
[0:02] <ahop> the final user wouldn't be able to connect this to his AP
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[0:03] <ahop> imagine someone buys this box, how will he be able to "choose" which Wifi to use?
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[0:03] <ahop> do you see what I mean pksato
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[0:04] <pksato> like other devices, configure it to use a existing network.
[0:04] <ahop> How to configure it?
[0:04] <ahop> :D
[0:05] <ahop> This device is meant to be "embedded"
[0:05] <ahop> it has no kbd, no screen except the 7 segment display
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[0:05] <pksato> ask to manufacturer.
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[0:06] <ahop> ?
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[0:06] <ahop> which manufacturer
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[0:06] <ahop> I am the manufacturer
[0:06] <ozzzy_> ahop it's an access point... has a web interface
[0:06] <ozzzy_> ?
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[0:06] <pksato> make it user configurable.
[0:06] <ahop> no it's not an access point
[0:07] <ozzzy_> ahhh
[0:07] <ahop> it's a muscial device
[0:07] <ahop> it's like a synth
[0:07] <ahop> based on Pi
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[0:08] <ozzzy_> why not just plug an sd card into a reader plugged into the pi
[0:08] <ahop> ozzzy_ right! exactly what I'm looking for since a few weeks
[0:09] <ahop> but it's hard to find a SD reader that can be easily dismantled and mounted on a PCB + embedded
[0:09] <ozzzy_> you can plug just about any card reader into a pi
[0:09] <ahop> true
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[0:09] <ahop> I bought a few of them
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[0:09] <ahop> on ebay, for 1$, and tried to connect it to the Pi and have the SD slot attached to my box's enclosure
[0:10] <pksato> and, have a hack to enable second sd slot on rpi.
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[0:10] <ahop> pksato oh this exists? would be super great
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[0:10] <ahop> do you mean direct SD slot => Rpi without going through USBN
[0:10] <ahop> ?
[0:10] <pksato> yes
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[0:11] <ahop> theres a hack via GPIO
[0:11] <ahop> but performance is poor , ~ 1MB/s
[0:11] <ahop> already investigated that
[0:12] <ozzzy_> why not use a usb stick instead of an sd card
[0:13] <ozzzy_> or build a hat for the pi
[0:13] <ahop> that's what I finally use : usb stick instead of sd card
[0:13] <ahop> but it's not nice
[0:13] <ahop> of you compare to all hardware synhs/samplers
[0:14] <ahop> having a stick connected to the device is having a "10cm tail"
[0:14] <ozzzy_> well.. if you're designing an enclosure than design a hat
[0:14] <ahop> a hat for what?
[0:14] <ozzzy_> er... then
[0:14] <ozzzy_> for the pi... with an SD card slot
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[0:18] <ahop> yes but where would connect this hat?
[0:18] <ahop> to GPIO? if so, I already checked this
[0:18] <ahop> the SD card slot would have poor perf
[0:19] <ahop> I'll continue to investigate
[0:19] <ahop> If some of you know a USB SD reader that could be easily dismantled and mounted on PCB, thanks ;)
[0:19] <ozzzy_> modify an arduino sd card shield... they use spi
[0:20] <ozzzy_> ahop, just pry the enclosure apart and take the pcb out
[0:20] <ozzzy_> you can even wire it directly
[0:20] <ahop> SPI => ~ 1 MB /sec
[0:20] <ahop> I have an arduino SD card shield
[0:20] <ahop> and tried
[0:21] <ahop> but SPI => slow
[0:21] <ozzzy_> well... then use USB
[0:21] <ozzzy_> how fast does it have to be
[0:21] <pksato> most on type card reader are very small.
[0:21] <ahop> currently my prototype loads a 400MB piano sample set in less than 30 seconds
[0:21] <ozzzy_> and that's bad?
[0:21] <ahop> no that's good
[0:22] <ahop> but with SPI, it would need 400 seconds => not possible
[0:22] <ozzzy_> well.. use usb then
[0:22] <ahop> yep
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[0:22] <ahop> I bought this and took enclosure apart : http://www.ebay.fr/itm/LogiLink-lecteur-de-carte-USB-2-0-externe-pour-SD-MMC-/181697402551?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_71&hash=item2a4e0256b7
[0:22] <ahop> but hard to mount on my own PCB then...
[0:23] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Speed-USB-Memory-Card-Reader-Writer-Adapter-for-MMC-SD-SDHC-TF-UP-To-64GB-/311259022188?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48787bc36c
[0:23] <ahop> "Unfortunately, access to this particular item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in some countries"
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[0:24] <ahop> oh now I can see it via proxy
[0:24] <ahop> yes it's more or less the one I already have
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[0:25] <ahop> it's hard to mount it on my own pcb
[0:25] <ahop> it's more a mechanical problem
[0:25] <pksato> make a hat what you need.
[0:25] <ahop> A hat on GPIO?
[0:26] <pksato> yes.
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[0:26] <ahop> same problem : SD card via GPIO (SPI) => bad perf
[0:26] <pksato> wire usb port to hat.
[0:26] <ahop> there is no USB on GPIO, right? (not sure)
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[0:27] <ahop> Sorry for saying "no" to everything
[0:27] <ahop> lol
[0:27] <ahop> This sounds annoying, I know it
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[0:28] <pksato> and, second SD card is not connected to SPI, is to real SoC port.
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[0:29] <ahop> (But I have already tried a lots of solutions, but on this particular question, it's difficult)
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[0:30] <ahop> I have to go now, if you have an idea with the hat, etc. do you think you could do an image (even sketch with "Paint")
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[0:30] <ahop> to describe how it work?
[0:30] <ahop> you can send it to ahop@gget.it if you can ;)
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[0:31] <ahop> thanks again for all your proposals, maybe I'll find smoething that works at the end
[0:31] <ahop> see you !
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[0:47] <Froolap> then what happened?
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[1:06] <jaggzt> tawr, what's a boss?
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[1:06] <jaggzt> I was planning on making the recessed holes into slots for sliding it on (right now you'd have to screw the base down, then put in the board...)
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[1:07] <jaggzt> I feel like I'm good at this stuff... but I really should try to do something for income
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[1:07] <jaggzt> I think the people who run thingiverse are immoral, now, so I'm not inclined to post the model there... too bad it's so popular compared to others
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[1:09] <jaggzt> by the way, I haven't printed this one with rounded edges -- the one I printed had just a slight bevel... it's possible the radius of curvature could be a problem for the bottom parts, but I tried to account for that by decreasing the radius on the bottom edges
[1:10] <jaggzt> the mounting points are placed as best as I can where they're not near electrical contacts (in case someone makes a mistake with a screw too high), and where it would give good strength
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[1:14] <abnormal> I use velcro
[1:15] <Criggie> jaggzt: got a photo ?
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[1:20] <jaggzt> I sent it earlier.. on a different system now.. hrm
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[1:41] <jaggzt> Criggie, working on it.. blender's being slow
[1:42] <Criggie> oh so you haven't printed it ?
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[3:04] <jaggzt> Criggie, oh, I did.. didn't take a photo of that though.. I should :)
[3:04] <jaggzt> it's in a box right now powering a motion sensor to train my dog :)
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[3:09] <Criggie> jaggzt: okay - now you have me intrigued - how do you train your dog with a motion sensor ?
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[3:17] <HoloPed> Hey guys, I'm looking for an IR proximity sensor for the pi, that works in 0-10cm range, and supports multiple sensors. I tried the VCNL4000 but found that it has a fixed I2C address so I can only connect one. Any ideas ?
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[3:18] <jaggzt> Criggie, he's a service dog.. goes to the bathroom on a screen over a bathtub :)
[3:18] <jaggzt> but he recently has liked doing #1 up there, and #2 down on the floor
[3:18] <jaggzt> hard to catch him.. he's sneaky.
[3:19] <jaggzt> so I have two motion sensors in a box which allows one to get only high levels (upper bodies of people), the other down..
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[3:19] <Criggie> jaggzt: ahhhh I see
[3:19] <dodokuse> ...
[3:19] <jaggzt> and if it senses only the low (within a certain time limit), it telnets to my desktop in the other room
[3:20] <dodokuse> woof woof
[3:20] <jaggzt> that desktop (pain in the ass with systemd) plays an mp3 when it gets telnetted to
[3:20] <dodokuse> loltelnet
[3:20] <jaggzt> ssh was too slow.. has too much startup time
[3:20] <Criggie> telnet's fine.
[3:20] <dodokuse> y no http
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[3:21] <jaggzt> no http server on that machine... I should probably install one though.. that's not a bad idea actually.. would have been easy :)
[3:21] <dodokuse> or you could write up a server in the language of your choice
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[3:21] <dodokuse> or bash script with netcat :P
[3:21] <Criggie> nah - why run a whole webserver when something lighter like inetd will work just as well
[3:21] <jaggzt> well, back at inetd times it was really darned easy
[3:21] <dodokuse> indeed
[3:22] <Criggie> dodokuse: netcat would have to be listeneing all the time, and what happens if two events happen at the same time ?
[3:22] <jaggzt> systemd [un?] fortunately makes everything complicated
[3:22] <dodokuse> two events? no possibro :D
[3:22] <Criggie> systemd needs to be shot - I hate it
[3:22] <jaggzt> can netcat open and listen on a socket?
[3:22] <plugwash> jaggz, inetd still exists you know
[3:22] <dodokuse> yep.
[3:23] <jaggzt> plugwash, yeah.. was tempting
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[3:23] <jaggzt> still good to go with the times though
[3:24] <dodokuse> y not have the RPi play audio directly ¿
[3:24] <dodokuse> "noOOoOoOO!~ BAD DOG!"
[3:24] <jaggzt> that's something I plan on doing.. had I a separate set of speakers in the bathroom
[3:25] <jaggzt> this one lets us know so we have to tell him
[3:25] <dodokuse> there are some usb audio dongles that can power speakers directly
[3:25] <jaggzt> yeah I have one of those.. but I've had power issues with the rpi..
[3:25] <dodokuse> o.o
[3:25] <jaggzt> all I have on it is the wifi dongle.. but the thing locks up all the time..
[3:25] <dodokuse> :|
[3:25] <jaggzt> resolved it by putting it on a 2A usb adaptor
[3:25] <plugwash> indeed on debian-based systems you seem to have quite a choice of inetd variants,
[3:26] <jaggzt> plugwash, I thought about using it but wasn't sure about conflicts with it side-by-side with systemd.. so I figured I'd just learn how to do the systemd thing..
[3:26] <jaggzt> figuring it couldn't be THAT difficult
[3:26] <jaggzt> It's not, if you know what you're doing.
[3:26] <plugwash> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=inetd
[3:26] <jaggzt> there's probably some phrase for that.. "It's not difficult, if you know what you're doing."
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[3:27] <jaggzt> plugwash, I know :) even looked into it at the time
[3:28] <tawr> jaggzt, just saw your message
[3:28] <plugwash> jaggz, yeah that applies to so many things :/
[3:28] <tawr> a boss is kind of like a large nipple for mounting.
[3:28] <tawr> usually a large nipple meant to be drilled/tapped and used as an offset mount
[3:28] <plugwash> I honestly think the largest problem with systemd is that there just aren't enough people experianced in bashing it arround in the community
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[3:31] <dodokuse> mmm, large nipples..
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[3:32] <jaggzt> tawr, hmm.. something I'd put on the outer edges then?
[3:32] <tawr> no jaggzt
[3:33] <jaggzt> because the bottom of it has to be flat.. being printed
[3:33] <tawr> inside, on the 'bottom' of the clam shell, you would make a boss. maybe 1/4" wide, to lift the bottom of the pi off the bottom, and screw from the pi to the boss
[3:33] <tawr> it would be perpendicular to the bottom base..
[3:34] <tawr> just as a quick demo (these are very small) http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item2028/small_raspberry-pi-no-battery.jpg
[3:34] <tawr> look at the gray nipples with the hole in them from the bottom of the case
[3:34] <tawr> think of them as 'built in standoffs'
[3:34] <jaggzt> oh.. right.. I'm screwing the pi from the bottom ..
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[3:35] <dodokuse> derp
[3:35] <jaggzt> I have standoffs
[3:35] <dodokuse> brass? :D
[3:36] <tawr> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NHIrTtLCnEo/maxresdefault.jpg
[3:36] <tawr> also like those
[3:36] <dodokuse> lolnubs
[3:36] <tawr> jaggzt, yeah. integrate them INTO the 3d printed part. otherwise the screw is going to be going through the bottom of the print and stick ouit the bottom, not be strong because of how little plastic there is to support it, and it doesn't look as good
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[3:38] <tawr> i was playing with finishes today dodokuse
[3:39] <tawr> i've started doing a little bit of wood work
[3:39] <dodokuse> eww wood D:
[3:39] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/DQyPzyUl.jpg
[3:39] <tawr> haha, why eww?
[3:39] <jaggzt> tawr, I have those in the bottom.. but the top of the case meets them (with the pi between).. I'll get a pic
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[3:39] <jaggzt> almost there.. blender's REALLY slow on this new system for some reason..
[3:40] <plugwash> given how close the screwholes are to the electronics on a lot of stuff I see distinct advantages to nylon screws and standoffs.....
[3:41] <dodokuse> Tawr Attempts Wood Rouging
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[3:46] <jaggzt> tawr: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/16/plasma-desktopBn1673.png
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[3:47] <jaggzt> grr.. some bugs in my blender booleans
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[3:50] <Criggie> jaggzt: look at NAS too - Network Audio System
[3:50] <Criggie> jaggzt: it streams sound to connected speakers over the LAN
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[3:55] <tawr> lol edodo
[3:56] <tawr> plugwash, err, yeah? you can have nylone screws going into 3d printed standoffs (boss) that is part of the case
[3:56] <tawr> dodokuse, see the pic?
[3:57] <tawr> also dodokuse did i tell you about my UPS for te rpi setup?
[3:58] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/b4SOZrBl.jpg that's my "TactiBOX" heh
[3:58] <jaggzt> well, I printed the supports so it kind of holds onto the rpi board :)
[3:58] <jaggzt> it sort of pops into place
[3:58] <jaggzt> (it's actually kind of a good idea to do that deliberately, with some springy clip type thing.. hrm)
[3:58] <tawr> the ups was red, wifi was white, I got crap about it not being black / tactical enough so I had to tape it up, heh
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[3:58] <tawr> jaggzt, didn't see it in the picture you linked earlier
[3:58] <jaggzt> I printed this part with the pla I had in my printer.. so it's hot pink
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[3:59] <tawr> you could print it so the boss / standoff has a finger pointing up and springy
[3:59] <jaggzt> bubblegum pink actually..
[3:59] <tawr> jaggzt, nice, bet it looks great
[3:59] <jaggzt> my wife picked out lilac and pink for the various things I make for her.. but the pink was really too bright so I just use it when testing things :)
[4:00] <tawr> have any pics of the case / color?
[4:00] <tawr> i only saw your 4 pane render pic
[4:00] <tawr> err, 3-pane
[4:00] <Criggie> tawr: that's a USB external battery right?
[4:00] <Criggie> tawr: the UPS thing
[4:01] <tawr> yeah Criggie
[4:01] <tawr> except this one has a VERY fast switch-over speed and pass-through
[4:01] <Criggie> I'm tempted to do the same. Have to remember to battery-test it periodically.
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[4:02] <tawr> so, it's always on, fully charges, then the ac adapter powers the pi. I can yank the cable out (ac side) and the rpi doesn't hiccup as the power pack switches on
[4:02] <tawr> it's actually pretty nice in that regard
[4:02] <Criggie> only downside - no monitoring of battery state ?
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[4:04] <tawr> not from the pi, at least
[4:04] <tawr> it has 4 leds on the side
[4:05] <Criggie> tawr: well - how long does it run on battery alone ?
[4:05] <Criggie> Use the pi-cam to read the status of the LEDs!
[4:05] <Criggie> OR use 4x GPIO pins to read the LEDs directly.
[4:05] <tawr> it's a 5,00maH pack that can do 2A output
[4:05] <tawr> yeah, I was thinking about the latter actually
[4:06] <Froolap> +so about 2.5 hours at full load
[4:06] <tawr> I truthfully haven't run it til it ran out of juice
[4:06] <Criggie> Nice
[4:06] <tawr> that's a good idea, I'll do it now, let me start a timer
[4:06] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/R1aKP5al.jpg
[4:06] <Froolap> if those are lipo batteries they don't like to be fully discharged......
[4:07] <tawr> status led, on/off switch, and 'flashlight'
[4:07] <tawr> err Froolap you serious?
[4:07] <Helldesk> tawr: five point zero zero milli annum Henry pack? what?
[4:07] <Froolap> Yes, lipos if they discharge too much then they won't take another charge, they are dead.
[4:07] <ozzzy_> your battery management system should shut things down before the batteries go flat
[4:07] <tawr> it's a usb 'power pack'. it's an integrated solution including battery charging, voltage
[4:07] <Helldesk> batteries aren't inductors
[4:07] <tawr> Froolap, yeah im trying to see why you think
[4:07] <tawr> that an off the shelf product designed to be a power pack
[4:07] <Helldesk> did you mean 5000 mAh
[4:07] <tawr> wouldn't have lipo cutoff
[4:08] <tawr> when it has a fuel gauge built into it?
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[4:08] <tawr> like, i didn't just slap a prismatic cell to the pi..
[4:08] <Froolap> I fly radio control, have lots of expierence with rechargable batteries. They have voltage monitors to shut down the draw for lipo if they get to 3.1v per cell.
[4:08] <Criggie> tawr: but that sounds like a good idea, fewer parts :P
[4:08] * tawr shakes head
[4:08] <Helldesk> because 2 A from a 5 milliamphour pack would mean a discharge rate of 400 C
[4:08] <Froolap> if lipo gets discharged below 3v then they won't take a charge again.
[4:09] <tawr> Helldesk, your attempt at being pedantic isn't going too well
[4:09] <Criggie> welcome to the internet
[4:09] <Helldesk> tawr: but you really WERE confusing
[4:09] <Criggie> those of us who care to argue, commence now.
[4:09] <tawr> Froolap, why do you think an off the shelf product that is DESIGNED around charging things
[4:09] <tawr> does not have built in low voltage cutoff?
[4:09] <tawr> heh
[4:09] <Helldesk> I can't tell if your pack was 5 mAh or 5 Ah or anything in between
[4:09] <Triffid_Hunter> anything with lipos and no low-voltage cutoff is a fire risk, I can't imagine they'd put something on shelves without it
[4:09] <tawr> yeah, sorry you have comprehension issues
[4:09] <Froolap> I don't have any idea what you have or what you are using, It sounded like it was something that you built.....
[4:10] <Criggie> anyway - for $20 its cheaper and more local than running a mains cable over to the big UPS.
[4:10] <Helldesk> tawr: you are the only one who knows the battery size and saying it's 5,00 tells us very little
[4:10] <tawr> so Criggie i started it on battery power as of a few seconds ago
[4:10] <Criggie> and you're not inverting AND rectifying mains to batt to mains then through a wall-wart back to DC.
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[4:10] * ozzzy_ has seen products designed to charge thing that don't have low voltage cutoff
[4:10] <Criggie> tawr: good man
[4:10] <tawr> <tawr> it's a 5,00maH pack that can do 2A output <-- if you cannot tell that a USB powerpack the size of a pack of cigarettes is 5 amp hour, I don't know what to tell you?
[4:11] <Froolap> and there are lots of things that are sold that are designed to self destruct so that you are forced to buy another one/
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[4:11] <Helldesk> how many cells?
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[4:11] <Criggie> tawr: chinese milliamp-hours are smaller than western ones :-PPPP
[4:11] <Helldesk> that too
[4:11] <ozzzy_> and they're on an angle
[4:11] <tawr> yeah, I have a 10 watt name brand usb supply going to the pack
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[4:11] <jaggza> https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/32284628@N05/
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[4:12] <Criggie> DX.com "10,000 mAH battery" and further down "real capacity 1750 mAH"
[4:12] <Triffid_Hunter> heh friend of mine got cells labelled "3200mAh", best one held 600mAh, median was 150mAh
[4:12] <tawr> it works pretty well, though I haven't tested load truthfully. i kinda slapped things together hardware side when I got it
[4:12] <jaggza> Pics
[4:12] <tawr> haha Triffid_Hunter I believe that
[4:12] <Criggie> Triffid_Hunter: yeah - perzackerly
[4:12] <jaggza> Well, 1 pic
[4:12] <tawr> look at the Trustfire 1i8650's
[4:12] <tawr> they say 4000, actual: 900, haha
[4:12] <Triffid_Hunter> all those *fire ones are terrible
[4:12] <jaggza> The other is just the "prototype" sensor box
[4:12] <tawr> especially since panasonic ncr18650-b, the best on the market, only have 3,400
[4:13] <Criggie> okay - since we;re on the topic of batteries
[4:13] <Criggie> how would you lot suggest getting 40-42 volts to power an electric bike?
[4:13] <Helldesk> is there any reputable place to get some panasonic 18650 cells by the way
[4:13] <Criggie> at the moment its running on 3x 12V SLA batteries.
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[4:14] <tawr> it's an RPI2, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ONOKPHC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is the case, TP-LINK TL-WN722N wifi with a 5 dbi antenna
[4:14] <ali1234> Helldesk: go on ebay and buy a job lot of surplus dell batteries, rip them open, and take the good cells
[4:14] <tawr> everything is 3m FR Super-88 taped black to make it look better than red white black blue.. heh
[4:14] <Criggie> how would you redo that - sets of 12x18650 and multiply that for capacity.
[4:14] <Helldesk> ali1234: yeah... I was afraid of that
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[4:14] <Froolap> Criggie: four 12v ups batteries, 48V total.
[4:14] <Criggie> how do you recharge 36 x 18650 all together ?
[4:14] <tawr> Criggie, my buddy actually builds them
[4:14] <ali1234> Helldesk: you will pay about $1 per cell this way if you do it right
[4:14] <tawr> his current e-bike is pretty crazy
[4:15] <Criggie> Froolap: yeah - its that now, with three batteries. But its really damn heavy
[4:15] <Mr_Sheesh> You could look on findchips.com, search engine that looks at mouser, digikey, etc., for those cells, Helldesk
[4:15] <tawr> i wouldn't run 18650's for an e-bike
[4:15] <tawr> i'd just run prismatics
[4:15] <Froolap> Criggie: you have a trade off, weight vs capacity....
[4:16] <Mr_Sheesh> Unless you did sets of several in parallel, in a bunch in series?
[4:16] <[Saint]> Criggie: start hoarding laptop cells.
[4:16] <Mr_Sheesh> but I'm a lil concerned about how you do the paralleling liion cells
[4:17] <[Saint]> Go to a recycling center, they're goldmines.
[4:17] <tawr> Mr_Sheesh, as long as they all get fully charged and somewhat matched
[4:17] <[Saint]> re: cells for electric bicycle.
[4:17] <tawr> before you assemble the packs
[4:17] <Criggie> how do you charge a bunch of them at once though?
[4:17] <Helldesk> there are a bunch of videos out there of people creating rather large packs out of reclaimed 18650s
[4:17] <[Saint]> a tonne of 'em, yep.
[4:17] <Mr_Sheesh> tawr its when you first parallel connect them, ZAP current spike, could result in fire
[4:18] <Helldesk> Criggie: carefully, well, most of the care is in the design phase
[4:18] <Helldesk> depends on how you construct it
[4:18] <[Saint]> Just make sure it can vent.
[4:18] <[Saint]> For Gods sake, make sure it can vent.
[4:18] <Helldesk> lots of cells in parallel need something as a fuse for each one (in case a cell shorts internally)
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[4:18] <Criggie> yep - and SLA batteries don't like to deep discharge either. below 10 Volts and they're sad.
[4:18] <[Saint]> You don't want a couple of dozen cells venting in an enclosed space, lol.
[4:19] <[Saint]> Nope nope nope.
[4:19] <Helldesk> lots of cells in series need balancing wires
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[4:19] <ali1234> no laptop batteries have fuses between parallel cells
[4:19] <Mr_Sheesh> [Saint] - "No sense of adventure!" :P
[4:19] <ali1234> although they usually only have 2 in parallel
[4:19] <Helldesk> ali1234: laptops don't have dozens of cells in parallel either
[4:20] <[Saint]> though, those "2" cells are generally several smaller cells kludged together.
[4:20] <tawr> dodokuse,
[4:20] <Helldesk> if a cell in a battery powered vehicle shorted out... the short-circuit current of its neighbours would turn it into a fireworks show
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[4:20] <[Saint]> s/fireworks/chemical fire/ same diff.
[4:20] <Mr_Sheesh> Youtube ahas videos of just that sort of fireworks show, too
[4:21] <Helldesk> both and more all at the same time
[4:21] <Criggie> SLA replacement bvatteries - three of these might do the job: http://www.electriccarpartscompany.com/12V-5Ah-br-EV-LiFePO4-Lithium-Battery-Pack_p_685.html
[4:21] <Mr_Sheesh> s/ahas/has/
[4:21] <[Saint]> And far too many "stab LiPo with $thing" videos.
[4:21] <Mr_Sheesh> true :P
[4:21] <[Saint]> 'cos, apparently we don't know what happens there...
[4:22] <Mr_Sheesh> No I think its more like "we enjoy wayching things explode, burn, etc. vids" LOL
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[4:22] <Criggie> Picture: http://criggie.org.nz/pictures/ebike/Big%20Red%20eBike2.jpg More info http://www.electric-bike-kit-forum.com/36v-so-far-t561.html
[4:22] <[Saint]> Bloody kiwis...
[4:22] <[Saint]> Pfffffffft!
[4:22] <[Saint]> Onya bike son.
[4:22] <Helldesk> more like "this is popular, right? I'll upload a planking video, then a lipo stabbing video, and then some more of my cat"
[4:22] <Mr_Sheesh> Gotta pay the cat tax,
[4:23] <Helldesk> true
[4:23] <Criggie> [Saint]: yeah, and ?
[4:23] <[Saint]> All backwards. The lotta ya.
[4:23] <[Saint]> I should know.
[4:23] * [Saint] waves from Christchurch
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[4:24] <acidjazz> hi guise
[4:24] <acidjazz> pi@pod2:~/activus$ /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[4:24] <acidjazz> temp=49.2'C
[4:24] <acidjazz> is that normal
[4:24] <Criggie> [Saint]: interesting - I'm in Manchester Street.
[4:24] <[Saint]> Criggie: scoping hookers?
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[4:24] <[Saint]> acidjazz: yes, perfectly.
[4:24] <acidjazz> im having overheating issues
[4:24] <Criggie> [Saint]: gosh no - not at this time of the day
[4:25] <acidjazz> i think its the hub though
[4:25] <[Saint]> Heh.
[4:25] <Criggie> they pop up at dark or a bit earlier on Fridays.
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[4:25] <[Saint]> acidjazz: that is perfectly normal temerature, absolutely normal.
[4:25] <[Saint]> acidjazz: the device has its own thermal management.
[4:25] <[Saint]> you don't need to care about this.
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[4:25] <[Saint]> it'll get to 80C before it even slightly cares.
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[4:26] <ali1234> my usb wifi is overheating
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[4:26] <ali1234> [ 145.289115] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00usb_watchdog_tx_dma: Warning - TX queue 0 DMA timed out, invoke forced forced reset
[4:26] <ali1234> ^ does this when it's been on for a while with high traffic
[4:27] <[Saint]> Why do you assume it is overheating?
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[4:27] <Criggie> ali1234: can you not use wired ?
[4:27] <[Saint]> Is it because it "feels hot" to you?
[4:27] <[Saint]> 'cos, hot to you is nothing to it.
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[4:27] <ali1234> no, because power cycling does not fix it, but turning the power off until it is no longer too hot to touch does
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[4:28] <acidjazz> ali1234: is it in a hub, or in the pi
[4:28] <[Saint]> the problem I find with that is that "too hot to touch" 40~60C is well within standard operating temperatures for consumer electronics.
[4:28] <ali1234> 60C is not too hot to touch
[4:29] <[Saint]> bloody oath it is.
[4:29] <ali1234> yeah we are talking 75 degrees on the outer plastic casing
[4:29] <acidjazz> so heres my sich
[4:29] <Helldesk> do you happen to have a can of compressed air to test if it starts working if you cool it back down again?
[4:29] <ali1234> the actual chip inside is probably hitting over 80
[4:29] <tawr> 140F shouildn't be too hot to touch
[4:29] <tawr> unless you have child hands
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[4:30] <tawr> isn't the SOC on there rated to run at 80C?
[4:30] <acidjazz> i got a pi2 with two wifi adapters, a 3g modem, and an SDR scanner, al pugged into a hub taht powers those and the pi2 via a 5v power port on the side, the hub powers everything. when i place al this in a small box i got all sorts of issues, but outside the box it all works perfectly. I'm guessing its definitely the hub overheating.
[4:30] <[Saint]> it's rated higher, actually.
[4:30] <ali1234> yes, but i'm not talking about the pi soc
[4:30] <tawr> also, why don't you get the actual chip temperatures?
[4:30] <ali1234> i'm talking about the usb wifi
[4:30] <tawr> oh just saw that, what is it?
[4:30] <tawr> make model, chipset?
[4:30] <ali1234> rt2x00usb, unbranded
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[4:31] <Criggie> ali1234: okay can you put the USB wireless adapters on the end of short USB A male to A femal extension cables ?
[4:31] <Criggie> ali1234: get them apart a little ?
[4:31] <ali1234> sure, i'm going to try that tomorrow
[4:31] <[Saint]> DOes the dongle happen to be a giant piece of cheap crap?
[4:31] <ali1234> at the moment it is also sandwiched between a bunch of plastic parts
[4:31] <Criggie> cheap and low tech solution
[4:31] <[Saint]> Or, a tiny piece of crap, as the case may be?
[4:31] <Criggie> [Saint]: good point
[4:31] <Criggie> ali1234: can you pop the casing off any of the devices ?
[4:32] <ali1234> works fine as long as it isn't overheating *shrug*
[4:32] <ali1234> yep, the casing comes off easily
[4:32] <[Saint]> I can't even really see how a wireless dongle could overheat to such a degree like that.
[4:32] <Criggie> ali1234: danger of shorting out though, with exposed boards
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[4:32] <[Saint]> not without being woefully inefficient and likely sucking balls handsomely.
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[4:33] <[Saint]> there really isn't much too them.
[4:33] <ali1234> it looks like this: http://www.diygadget.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/i/wifi.jpg
[4:33] <Helldesk> a horrible antenna matching perhaps?
[4:33] <ali1234> also, it wasn't cheap
[4:33] <Helldesk> so all its RF power reflects back
[4:33] <[Saint]> Helldesk: perhaps, yeah.
[4:33] <ali1234> and it was sold specifically for use with raspberry pi
[4:33] <[Saint]> though that would be a hilarious comedy of errors.
[4:33] <acidjazz> [Saint]: did you see my rant? does taht make sense?
[4:34] <Helldesk> right, one of those... perhaps there's some wrong component in the frontend or something :)
[4:34] <[Saint]> acidjazz: yeah, it does - but, it also kinda doesn't. There's really no way the hub should be able to make the enclosed ambient temperature climb high enough to be problematic.
[4:35] <Helldesk> how's the range before it overheats?
[4:35] <ali1234> great
[4:35] <Helldesk> can you command it to send at a lower power level?
[4:35] <ali1234> perhaps
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[4:35] <[Saint]> I don't imagine it has much broadcast power to spare
[4:35] <brennen> tiny fan
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[4:36] <Helldesk> [Saint]: yeah, but for testing purposes it might reveal something more
[4:36] <acidjazz> [Saint]: i dont think the hub is overheating the pi, i think its just getting too hot itself, and then the devices are failing on it because of that
[4:36] <Helldesk> like if it's indeed reflected power that never makes it out the antenna
[4:36] <Helldesk> but if the range is good... I can't guess where the extra power to cook it would come from
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[4:37] <[Saint]> The funny thing is it would be reasonably difficult to create this circumstance deliberately on that scale, if it is indeed "cooking" itself with RF.
[4:37] <[Saint]> ANd, there's every chance it happened here accidentally.
[4:37] <[Saint]> lol
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[4:38] <Helldesk> what's the efficiency of a tiny strip antenna like that anyway
[4:38] <Helldesk> even in a perfect design not much makes it out as RF radiation, right?
[4:38] <[Saint]> right...ish.
[4:39] <Helldesk> so it ought to be able to withstand quite a bit, and a bad RF implementation (like from a manufacturing error) shouldn't add *that* much more to the waste heat
[4:39] <[Saint]> assuming it even has a strip antenna is a bit of a stretch. I've pulled a few similar looking cheap dongles apart.
[4:39] <Helldesk> but we don't have much to go on here, do we
[4:39] <[Saint]> Some have a blob of solder for an 'antenna'.
[4:39] <[Saint]> yep - really.
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[4:41] <[Saint]> When I try and math it in my head it all falls over.
[4:41] <[Saint]> stoopid math.
[4:42] <Criggie> Lets cut to the point - wireless sucks. Use wired whereever you can.
[4:42] <[Saint]> *cheap wireless sucks
[4:42] <Criggie> wireless is not a reliable connection method
[4:42] <Criggie> okay mister picky
[4:42] <Criggie> unlicenced spectrum wireless sucks.
[4:42] <Criggie> :-P
[4:43] <Helldesk> good points all around
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[4:44] <Helldesk> oh, one more thing that comes to mind... if you took that thing apart and tried to see if it's a 3.3V device internally
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[4:45] <Helldesk> and if the hotspot happened to be the usb 5v rail to 3.3v regulation... just a thought
[4:45] <[Saint]> Do they do that, at that scale?
[4:45] <Helldesk> no clue
[4:45] <Helldesk> are there 5V wifi SoCs?
[4:45] <[Saint]> In my head, it would be noisey as hell at that scale on the cheap and likely trash transmission.
[4:46] <Helldesk> that's why I'm thinking linear regulation
[4:46] <[Saint]> ah.
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[4:47] <Helldesk> what's the absolute worst case we could see? the whole thing is a giant resistor perfectly matched to the power supply to produce heat
[4:47] <ali1234> i know that there are 3.3V USB wifi adapters
[4:47] <Helldesk> second worst... just the wireless bits
[4:47] <ali1234> because people have run the whole pi off 3.3v including the USB devices
[4:47] <Helldesk> third... something before the wireless chip and usb
[4:47] <ali1234> i've got it on a long cable now
[4:48] <ali1234> it's warm but not hot
[4:48] <Helldesk> /before/between/
[4:48] <ali1234> it probably just designed to be used in free air
[4:48] <[Saint]> adding a long cable isn't as good an idea as it might seem.
[4:48] <[Saint]> on paper it makes the situation worse.
[4:48] <ali1234> it allows me to use it outside of the extremely small space it was installed in before
[4:48] <[Saint]> unless you and I have a different definition of long.
[4:48] <ali1234> cable is 1m
[4:49] <Helldesk> maybe he's an atomic force microscope operator by trade
[4:49] <[Saint]> ah - right. I was thinking "out of USB spec" long.
[4:49] <Helldesk> sounds reasonable
[4:50] <[Saint]> without a bolun every 15m or so USB with out of spec cables gets pretty fun.
[4:50] <ali1234> this is how it is installed normally: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ifbIgdFiXok/VO-ndTqtlfI/AAAAAAAADS8/-K0EgRzp664/w1155-h866-no/IMG_20150226_215656.jpg
[4:50] <ali1234> it's the black rectangle on the side
[4:50] <ali1234> and there's also a roof
[4:51] <ali1234> so it is not getting very much air circulation at all
[4:51] <[Saint]> the thing is, it shouldn't need to.
[4:51] <[Saint]> which makes this all very weird indeed.
[4:51] <ali1234> well it does, apparently
[4:51] <[Saint]> I mean, look at pi cases.
[4:52] <Criggie> ali1234: yah - its not like PVC lego bricks hold moisture or anything to block signal
[4:52] <ali1234> the pi is much bigger than this thing
[4:52] <[Saint]> millions of pis in cases, given narry a singular care about it.
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[4:52] <Criggie> ali1234: does the camera cable ever get caught on things, poking up like that ?
[4:52] <[Saint]> not with a roof one would think.
[4:52] <ali1234> the pi SoC has about 16x the surface area on the wifi chip
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[4:53] <ali1234> the wifi board layout is actually set up so that the USB connector is the heatsink
[4:53] <[Saint]> FOr all intents and purposes, especially with the hole in front for the camera, that should not overheat.
[4:54] <ali1234> the pi doesn't overheat
[4:54] <ali1234> it's fine
[4:54] <[Saint]> I mean the entire setup, wireless included.
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[4:55] <Criggie> ali1234: just drive it faster :)))
[4:55] <dodokuse> 70MPH
[4:55] <[Saint]> put a l337 heat sync on it.
[4:55] <ali1234> what i'll probably do is put some thermal paste on the wifi chip and a heatsink on top of the usb connector
[4:55] <dodokuse> 1337sink
[4:55] <[Saint]> Oh man, I was joking. heh.
[4:56] <Criggie> ali1234: try the extension cable first
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[4:56] <[Saint]> Is getting a wireless dongle that isn't trying to commit thermal suicide not an option?
[4:56] <[Saint]> Because, I could recommend a few.
[4:56] <[Saint]> The TP-Link nano USB dongles are pretty great.
[4:57] <[Saint]> Highly affordable, and they actually perform close to their stated throughput claims.
[4:57] <[Saint]> in the "Just Works" w/ *nix box.
[4:57] <[Saint]> (with a sufficiently recent kernel, though)
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[4:58] <Criggie> I use a $2 patch cable. Done.
[4:58] <plugwash> of course the problem with any "nano" dongle is the antenna will be poor
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[4:58] <[Saint]> for verying definitions of poor.
[4:58] <[Saint]> *varying
[4:59] <ali1234> it has to fit in a hole the size of a 1x2 lego brick
[4:59] <dodokuse> wtf, my helmet is made of STYROFOAM! for $400 i would've expected it to be made of african blackwood!
[4:59] <ali1234> i think this was a tp-link actually
[4:59] <[Saint]> plugwash: they have no problems with my 1/4 property and a large 100+yo house - so, they're fairly decent in my book.
[4:59] <[Saint]> I use the TL-WN725N
[5:00] <[Saint]> I got a bunch of them for like $40 each or something silly like that.
[5:00] <[Saint]> lol whoops.
[5:00] <[Saint]> *1/4 acre property - I do have more then a 1/4 of a property, heh.
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[5:01] <[Saint]> google tells me that's 1011.71m squared, for those of you who use the metric system but don't hang on to obscure imperial units like New Zealand does.
[5:01] <Helldesk> wouldn't need more than 1/4 if it was a big enough property
[5:01] <dodokuse> derp
[5:03] <[Saint]> A while ago you needed to care which version of that dongle you had, the v1 or the v2, which are both identical but use different chipsets and needed different handling, but ever since 3.14 and beyond it "Just Works".
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[5:37] <tawr> much better
[5:37] <tawr> made giant sandwiches
[5:37] <Criggie> noms
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[5:39] <tawr> like
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[5:39] <tawr> Started with honey wheat bread, spicy mustard (not smooth), pepper jack cheese, munster cheese, mesquite turkey, turkey pastrami, honey glazed ham, and big pickle slices
[5:40] <tawr> and i made 2 of these badboys, each one weighs like 3/4 pound. haha
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[5:52] <Criggie> tawr: tease
[5:53] <tawr> What's that? You want a picture?!
[5:53] <Criggie> no I want your bloody sandwich, savage!
[5:53] <Criggie> a picture just make me more hungry
[5:53] <tawr> actually, I forgot.. I added swiss too
[5:53] <tawr> so it's jalepeno jack, munster, and swiss
[5:54] <Criggie> ok
[5:54] <Criggie> BRB
[5:54] <tawr> http://i.imgur.com/EOvE2Byl.jpg
[5:54] <tawr> shit, he's coming to get my sandwiches. someone helpppp
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[6:01] <tawr> Criggie, just went to 3 lights
[6:01] <tawr> 1:44 in
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[6:07] <Criggie> tawr: nice - so its sounding like 6 hours is possible.
[6:07] <tawr> Yeah, seems that way. I'm not sure how linear the 'fuel gauge' actually is, though
[6:08] <Criggie> how busty is the box ?
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[6:08] <Criggie> erm
[6:08] <Criggie> BUSY
[6:08] <McBride36> ayy lmao
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[6:10] <tawr> heh, not very. I use it as a server, also running a SupyBot / mysql / web / vpn / ftp and samba servers for home network
[6:12] <Criggie> okay so its busy enough
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[6:19] <tawr> it's somewhat busy, i'm not hammering it or think
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[6:19] <tawr> avg around 43C sitting on my nightstand
[6:19] <tawr> although I peg it occasionally compiling stuff I remember I want/need
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[6:19] <tawr> like, I had to recompile WeeChat 4 times to finally catch all the errors I made in setup
[6:19] <tawr> had to irssi like 3 times.. supybot a few..
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[6:41] <jaggzt> re
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[6:42] <jaggzt> Criggie, tawr, someone asked for pics... https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/32284628@N05/
[6:42] <jaggzt> forgot who.. but I like sharing it
[6:42] <Criggie> sharing is caring
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[6:43] <Criggie> I'm doing my garage alarm and ended up with two motion sensors accidentally
[6:43] <Criggie> so they'll be going into the mix
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[6:43] <jaggzt> I ordered something from new york and it got lost after "Flushing, NY"
[6:43] <jaggzt> usps
[6:43] <dodokuse> flush()'d
[6:43] <jaggzt> they investigated.. had no record of it after it left flushing
[6:43] <tawr> what's the other pcb jaggzt
[6:44] <jaggzt> supposed to be a few days delivery.. instead several weeks passed.. still nothing
[6:44] <tawr> just claim it already
[6:44] <tawr> instead of trying ot be nice.
[6:44] * plugwash shares one of his favorite pics
[6:44] <plugwash> http://plugwash.raspbian.org/bytemarkbuilddimages/small/IMG_1772.JPG
[6:44] <tawr> being nice gets you no where
[6:44] <dodokuse> the sender needs to claim insurance :|
[6:44] <jaggzt> the ebay guy sent me another set of my order (a few atmega tiny things) and a dual relay board
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[6:45] <jaggzt> anyway.. after a month I got the original delivery and it was updated that it didn't leave flushing until may 28th or whatever
[6:45] <dodokuse> wot
[6:45] <jaggzt> somehow it stuck around in Flushing
[6:45] <dodokuse> and now you have 2.
[6:45] <dodokuse> yer bowl overfloweth
[6:45] <jaggzt> yeah.. and they both have the same tracking #
[6:45] <dodokuse> . . . interesting
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[6:45] <dodokuse> at least the seller didn't waste more money on shipping :P
[6:46] <jaggzt> tawr, two sensors
[6:46] <jaggzt> tawr, one for low height (dog), one for high (people)
[6:46] <Criggie> plugwash: what's that?
[6:47] <dodokuse> Criggie: lots of ARMs
[6:47] <dodokuse> i hope they're quad cores
[6:48] <dodokuse> and i wonder why they each have their own power supply
[6:48] <plugwash> We decided given the circumstances that seperate PSUs was easier
[6:48] <dodokuse> also, i bet those fans are loud...
[6:49] <jaggzt> I wonder if there's a working commandline pastebin now
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[6:49] <plugwash> I doubt the people who built and hosted it for us care about noise, it lives in a datacenter
[6:49] <dodokuse> ooh i see
[6:49] <plugwash> though those fans are only wired up to 5V so it's probablly quite a bit quiter than an average server
[6:50] <Criggie> dodokuse: "OOOOOOOOOOO WHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER I SEE"
[6:50] <dodokuse> under teh sea
[6:50] <Criggie> oh yay another cartoon theme song playing on Radio Repeat
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[6:51] <plugwash> Full details at https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=72483
[6:51] <dodokuse> no web browser (:
[6:51] <dodokuse> :( *
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[6:52] <Criggie> dodokuse: telnet www.raspberrypi.org 80
[6:52] <dodokuse> GET / HTTP/1.0 ¿
[6:52] <Criggie> dodokuse: get /forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=72483
[6:52] <dodokuse> lol
[6:52] <Criggie> and rended with your onboard eyeballs
[6:52] <dodokuse> HTTP/1.0 501 Not Implemented
[6:52] <dodokuse> correct request redirects to https
[6:52] <dodokuse> derp!
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[6:53] <dodokuse> i do not know how to TLS with telnet
[6:54] <botnut> what does the chan prefer for a webserver on the pi? apache? nginx? something else?
[6:55] <dodokuse> nginx
[6:55] <dodokuse> it's a bucketload of config fun
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[6:56] <dodokuse> http://ss.edited.us/150415215612.png
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[6:56] * dodokuse screams in horror
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[6:56] <plugwash> why?
[6:56] <Jack64> hey guys, does anyone have an pi 2 compiled binary of adb? googling only turns up dead links :/
[6:56] <dodokuse> derp
[6:57] <dodokuse> Jack64: y precompiled
[6:57] <tawr> ^
[6:57] <Jack64> so I can bypass compiling it?
[6:57] <dodokuse> derp.
[6:57] <Jack64> followed a few guides but got stuck
[6:58] <Jack64> some .o is missing
[6:58] <plugwash> dodokuse, if you are reffering to the fact the yellow wire is cut off laptop HDDs only need 5V
[6:58] <plugwash> so the yellow wire is not needed
[6:58] <dodokuse> plugwash: indeed.
[6:58] <tawr> learning how to compile and solve problems makes you better, Jack64
[6:58] <dodokuse> but why?!?!?
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[6:59] <plugwash> because there is nothing for it to connect to, the power bricks are 5V only
[6:59] <dodokuse> :|
[6:59] <Jack64> I know, but there is no explicit guide to do it and references on google to the error don't point to anything.. hence being stuck and coming here to beg for a binary :/
[6:59] <dodokuse> Jack64: armv7
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[7:00] <plugwash> as for the reason for using seperate PSUs we went down that route so we could plug them into seperate ports on a switched PDU
[7:00] <plugwash> and hence power-cycle them seperately
[7:01] <Jack64> dodokuse: yes.. pi 2
[7:01] <dodokuse> Jack64: http://ffauploads.com/adb
[7:01] <dodokuse> remember to chmod +x
[7:01] <dodokuse> and don't run weird things from strangers ^_^
[7:01] <dodokuse> ohwait, wrong one
[7:02] <dodokuse> that's x86 trololol
[7:02] <tawr> Jack64, you don't know the error
[7:02] <tawr> why don't you try compiling
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[7:02] <tawr> and when you get the error, you know, read it, pt it pastebin, link pastebins in channels
[7:02] <dodokuse> Jack64: http://ffauploads.com/adb_armv7h
[7:03] <tawr> because "it gave an error.." does nothing to help you
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[7:03] <dodokuse> make: file not found ¿
[7:03] <dodokuse> or command*
[7:03] <Jack64> there's some weird guides for making a makefile and I followed that, when running make it does
[7:03] <Jack64> make: *** No rule to make target 'adler32.o', needed by 'adb'. Stop.
[7:03] <dodokuse> that "32" looks suspicious
[7:04] <Jack64> indeed
[7:04] <tawr> post the makefile to pastebin
[7:05] <dodokuse> Jack64: did you try my adb_armv7h ? :D
[7:05] <dodokuse> i pulled it out of an epically old backup
[7:05] <Jack64> yea, ./adb_armv7h: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by ./adb_armv7h)
[7:05] <dodokuse> derp
[7:05] <Jack64> version mismatch or missing lib?
[7:05] <dodokuse> what glibc version you have ¿
[7:06] <dodokuse> http://ffauploads.com/adb_armv7h2 here's a less epically-old one
[7:06] <Jack64> 2.13
[7:06] <Jack64> lol
[7:06] <dodokuse> oh. derp
[7:07] <Jack64> had to compile a c program to know that
[7:07] <dodokuse> lol
[7:07] <Jack64> lemme see if I can update
[7:07] <dodokuse> i guess the newer one won't work either then
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[7:07] <Jack64> perhaps the solution is update glibc :)
[7:07] <dodokuse> or that :P
[7:08] <Jack64> and yes tawr I realise I'm taking the easy way out, I'll debug that compilation later
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[7:09] <Jack64> damn it turns out updating glibc isn't just apt-getting something -.-
[7:10] <dodokuse> lol
[7:10] <dodokuse> what distro ¿
[7:10] <dodokuse> should've gone for archlinux-arm
[7:11] <Jack64> never tried arch, I should do that some time
[7:11] <dodokuse> indeed. it's awesome
[7:11] <Jack64> many people say good things about it
[7:11] * tawr pets dodokuse, "Good boy."
[7:11] <Jack64> but I started on ubuntu so I'm used to debian based distros
[7:11] <dodokuse> Ò.ó
[7:12] <dodokuse> well, i did worse. i started on knoppix
[7:12] <dodokuse> actually, before that i had solaris
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[7:12] <plugwash> knoppix was also the first Debian-based distro I used
[7:13] <dodokuse> plugwash: i bet your next distro was debian? :P
[7:13] <plugwash> yeah, I started using knoppix hdinstalls and updating them so much from Debian repos that they became essentially debian
[7:13] <plugwash> then I just moved to plain debian installs
[7:14] <dodokuse> indeed
[7:14] <plugwash> most of this was in vmware at the time I was still using windows as my main OS on all my machines
[7:14] <dodokuse> D:<
[7:14] <Jack64> dodokuse: having a hard time upgrading glibc, mind digging deeper on that epicly old archive? :)
[7:14] <dodokuse> Jack64: can't. i didn't keep the old versions of my install files. derp.
[7:15] <dodokuse> i didn't back up any of the cache files
[7:15] <plugwash> Jack64, sed -i s/wheezy/jessie/ /etc/apt/sources.list
[7:15] <plugwash> apt-get update && apt-get install libc6
[7:16] <plugwash> if it breaks you keep the peices
[7:16] <Jack64> woah if it works that's awesome :)
[7:16] <Jack64> I have backup images of the sd so no problem if it breaks :)
[7:17] <Jack64> just have to keep that adb binary safe now :)
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[7:28] <Jack64> plugwash: I'm now at glibc 2.19 ! and adb works now! thanks !
[7:28] <Jack64> dodokuse: thanks again for the bin :)
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[7:32] <dodokuse> derp
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[10:13] <d3fault_> anyone know ofblathijs, I have 10 flex sensors hook do you think that same load is too much for a raspberry pi model be rev 2 usb port? (the reason i mentioned 1A is because I have a spare 1A battery port available and am considering ditching the pi port and going to that)
[10:13] <d3fault_> ffff wrong channel sry
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[10:27] <jeeves_moss> Are there any users here who have got the camera module to work?
[10:28] <d3fault_> jeeves_moss: did you enable the camera in raspi-config and reboot?
[10:28] <jeeves_moss> d3fault_, yea.
[10:28] <jeeves_moss> but it never shows up under /dev/video0
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[10:30] <jeeves_moss> d3fault_, any other ideas?
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[10:33] <d3fault_> jeeves_moss, i could be wrong but i don't think it shows up under /dev/video0 without additional effort (v4l drivers?). have you tried raspicam/raspivid?
[10:33] <d3fault_> (mines not on otherwise i'd check)
[10:33] <Ullarah> Is there a way to expand an SD card only by a little bit? Got a 8GB SD, Image is 512mb, but only want to expand it to 2GB. Is that possible?
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[10:34] <d3fault_> blathijs, ttyACM0 ... the same one as when powered via usb hub that works
[10:34] <jeeves_moss> d3fault_, one sec. I'll check
[10:34] <Ullarah> Nevermind, I'll just boot into a gparted live disk and expand there :P
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[10:35] <jeeves_moss> d3fault_, , those don't exist.
[10:36] <d3fault_> jeeves_moss, what OS? rpi-update should have installed them
[10:37] <jeeves_moss> d3fault_, Ubuntu
[10:37] <jeeves_moss> running the updater now
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[10:50] <jeeves_moss> d3fault_, are you still here?
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[10:53] <d3fault_> jeeves_moss, yes. btw i checked and mine does not have /dev/video0
[10:54] <jeeves_moss> d3fault_, I'm trying to get ZoneMonitor running
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[10:56] <jeeves_moss> I wonder if I should just reflash this thing and start over
[10:57] <Jabo> my .bashrc has a source command in it that I need for OpenFOAM to work correctly. how do I get set that command to run in a non-interactive shell?
[10:57] <Jabo> I'm trying to launch OpenFOAM over openmpi and it's reporting that it can't find the OpenFOAM executables
[10:58] <Jabo> but each OpenFOAM installation works fine if I log in with ssh
[10:58] <ShorTie> ya, to get /dev/video0 you have to use the v4l drivers
[10:58] <jeeves_moss> ShorTie, ok, how do I install those?! LOL
[11:00] <ShorTie> apt-get install v4l
[11:00] <jeeves_moss> nothing.
[11:00] <ShorTie> i believe
[11:00] <ShorTie> what does 'apt-cache search v4l' say
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[11:01] <jeeves_moss> did that, and the only thing closest is dv4l. so I'm installing that
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[11:01] <ShorTie> i got a whole list, lol.
[11:02] <jeeves_moss> yep.
[11:02] <jeeves_moss> nothing that's just v4l
[11:02] <d3fault_> v4l2 maybe
[11:02] <ShorTie> v4l-utils i'd guess, sorry been awhile since i played with it
[11:03] <jeeves_moss> ok, one sec
[11:03] <jeeves_moss> I didn't know this was going to be such a pain in the ass
[11:03] <ShorTie> what os is this ??
[11:04] <jeeves_moss> Ubuntu
[11:05] <ShorTie> oh, i believe your gonna need 'v4l-utils' from the raspbian sources.list for it to work
[11:05] <jeeves_moss> I installed it.
[11:05] <jeeves_moss> nothing
[11:06] <ShorTie> don't think regular v4l-utils/ubuntu supports the camera
[11:06] <jeeves_moss> ugh, looks like I need to reflash this thing. Any other Debian distros you can reccomend?
[11:07] <ShorTie> raspbian
[11:07] <ShorTie> it's got all the special sauce for the pi
[11:07] <jeeves_moss> thanks. And to think all this is used for is a security camera. LOL
[11:08] <Jabo> figured it out, the source command in .bashrc goes before anything else
[11:08] <jeeves_moss> ShorTie, thanks man. I'll be back
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[11:09] <ShorTie> might look into 'rpi cam web interface' https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=63276
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[11:57] <Ullarah> Does anybody know where I can find an already compiled version of nginx 1.6.3 or 1.7.12?
[11:59] <Ullarah> Okay. Guess I'll have to stop being lazy and build from source :P
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[15:58] <shiftplusone> Gadgetoid: ping?
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[16:00] <Tenkawa> hi all
[16:00] <March_rabbit> oh.... finally i got there
[16:00] <March_rabbit> Can anyone assist with RaspberryPi+qemu thing?
[16:00] <Tenkawa> whats up?
[16:01] <shiftplusone> what kind of thing?
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[16:01] <March_rabbit> qemu does not stops when i reboot/half/poweroff guest system
[16:01] <March_rabbit> it just sits there and consumes CPU
[16:01] <March_rabbit> very inconvenient for my purpose
[16:02] <March_rabbit> used instruction from http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
[16:02] <shiftplusone> what's the OS you're running it on?
[16:03] <shiftplusone> by the way, those instructions should be treated as an obsolete reference. I haven't updated them in aaaages. >.>
[16:03] <March_rabbit> host OS: Debian 7 x64, guest OS: somethign based on Debian too
[16:05] <shiftplusone> not seeing anything obvious... I thought maybe there was a '-no-shutdown’' or something, but nope.
[16:05] <March_rabbit> guest OS was taken from http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/31/
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[16:06] <Tenkawa> wouldt it matter on the poweroff capability of the kernel on the guest os?
[16:06] <March_rabbit> i have tried -no-shutdown
[16:06] <Tenkawa> er wouldnt
[16:06] <March_rabbit> kernel for this system was built by author of how-to. Maybe there is newer version?
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[16:07] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: not if it's qemu that's just sitting there after the guest has shut down.
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[16:07] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: well even qemu has to emulate a halt via apic/etc doesnt it?
[16:08] <March_rabbit> maybe there is another way to run RPi OS on x32/x64 hosts?
[16:08] <shiftplusone> Tenkawa: and perhaps it does and then just sits there anyway.
[16:08] <Tenkawa> hmm
[16:08] <Tenkawa> good point
[16:08] <Tenkawa> hard to tell without the debugger
[16:08] <March_rabbit> i only need shell + computational capabilities (this is build system)
[16:08] <March_rabbit> btw: qemu does not 'just sits' - it consumes CPU (around 100%)
[16:09] <March_rabbit> so it does something
[16:09] <shiftplusone> March_rabbit: I prefer to chroot with qemu-static nowadays.
[16:09] <Tenkawa> its probably spinning trying to issue a poweroff
[16:09] <shiftplusone> but it depends on what you actually need the guest to do.
[16:09] <March_rabbit> i have tried this but got no success....
[16:09] <ali1234> or trying to trigger a hardware watchdog that doesn't exist
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[16:09] <Tenkawa> March_rabbit: you tried attaching the debugger or strace'ing it
[16:09] <March_rabbit> we use build system based on Ant and i got some internal problems with Java
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[16:09] <ali1234> last time i tried to compile things in qemu it was actually slower than doing it native
[16:10] <Tenkawa> ali1234: i would expect that
[16:10] <shiftplusone> it's a little faster than a pi1, but way slower than a pi2.
[16:11] <shiftplusone> so I find that it only makes sense to use qemu-system if you need the memory to build something huge.
[16:11] <March_rabbit> @Tenkava: ok, i will check it out
[16:11] <March_rabbit> @shift: can you provide me with good how-to for this way? Maybe i have used it wrong...
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[16:13] <shiftplusone> March_rabbit: on debian, I think you just install that binfmt package, qemu-user-static, copy the binary to chroot's PATH, remove ld.so.preload from the guest and you should be able to chroot in.
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[16:14] <Tenkawa> brb.. switching eth drivers
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[16:18] <tawr> hi shiftplusone
[16:18] <shiftplusone> hey
[16:19] <tawr> I tested my UPS runtime on my pi, headless but with wifi + all servers running last night. I was hoping for ~4, maybe 5 hours.
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[16:19] <tawr> I ended up getting 11 hours and a few minutes :D
[16:19] <shiftplusone> heh
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[16:31] <March_rabbit> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM warning: Can't detect initial thread stack location - find_vma failed Segmentation fault
[16:31] <March_rabbit> that's what i get trying to use chroot
[16:31] <shiftplusone> yup... looks like java
[16:32] <March_rabbit> maybe i should evade using root user for it
[16:32] <March_rabbit> but mount FS and chroot asks for it
[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> Then fix your FS permissions ;-)
[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> root should only ever be used for system admin really
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[16:33] <March_rabbit> akanashin@akanashin:~/WORK/VTA$ /usr/sbin/chroot dev_fs /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot change root directory to dev_fs: Operation not permitted
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[16:34] <March_rabbit> drwxr-xr-x 22 akanashin root 4096 May 19 2014 dev_fs
[16:34] <March_rabbit> i'm bad at it :D
[16:34] <shiftplusone> you, you will need to bind /dev /sys and /proc as well
[16:34] <shiftplusone> and you can't chroot as user
[16:35] <shiftplusone> unless you use fakechroot, which may break things.
[16:35] <shiftplusone> within the chroot, you should be able to su to whatever user you want, or chroot in a way that logs you in as the user in the chroot.
[16:37] <March_rabbit> hm... yea, /dev is what it was on RPi image
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[16:44] <Tenkawa> ok.. i'm on the sdio driver.. now to figure out why its recording so many dropped packets
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[16:47] <March_rabbit> i've just straced qemu
[16:48] <March_rabbit> it just sits there and polls some file handlers
[16:48] <March_rabbit> it looks like something should send him somethign but does not
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[16:58] <Tenkawa> brb
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[17:06] <Tenkawa> well got the sdio wifi working
[17:06] <Tenkawa> now to figure out how to get the battery sensor working
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[17:14] <Tenkawa> Any of you got a microcenter locally?
[17:16] <March_rabbit> what is microcenter?
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[17:16] <Tenkawa> great computer store
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[17:17] <Tenkawa> Bilby: wouldnt you agree??
[17:17] <Tenkawa> heeheheh
[17:17] <March_rabbit> which country is this 'great computer store' is in? :D
[17:17] <Tenkawa> usa
[17:17] <Bilby> Good for customer, semi-crappy for employees but it seems like that can be any store *shrug*
[17:17] <March_rabbit> LoL.....
[17:18] <Tenkawa> Bilby: indeed
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[17:18] <Tenkawa> Bilby: I am still pondering home office work if it becomes available
[17:19] <Tenkawa> March_rabbit: I take it you must be in a diff country
[17:19] <Bilby> it's pretty good if you can get it
[17:19] <Bilby> working in shorts and t-shirt = comfy
[17:19] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yeah
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[17:20] <freeroute> quick question: At the bootup of Raspbian, I've assigned the GPU only 8MB, this is beneficial if I'm only going to be using the Pi headless, right?
[17:20] <freeroute> if so, can I go lower than 8 without incurring any degradation or performance loss?
[17:20] <McBride36> i think you need aet least 16
[17:21] <freeroute> yeah thought so too, but when I entered 8 it happily obliged
[17:21] <freeroute> (I'm talking about the ncurses interface when you first boot up)
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[17:22] <Bilby> yeah you can go to 8 if you're not running a GUI
[17:22] <tawr> where does that get written?
[17:22] <Bilby> there's no advantage to going any lower so don't worry about it
[17:22] <tawr> the gpu memory var?
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[17:27] <Bilby> brb
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[17:28] <tawr> freeroute, how exactly do you do it?
[17:28] <tawr> I'm assuming a var (or several) in config.txt, and i'm checking current by combing dmesg
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[17:31] <McBride36> raspbi-config
[17:31] <McBride36> advanced settings
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[17:39] <freeroute> tawr: it was just at the initial boot of the raspi, I believe it's called raspberry-config
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[17:39] <freeroute> it's an ncurses interface
[17:40] <shiftplusone> *raspi-config
[17:40] <tawr> I'm aware, just seeing if it was the same as gpu_mem
[17:40] <tawr> which it doesn't seem to be on the pi2
[17:41] <tawr> vcgen* get_config gpu_mem comes up as not a var
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[17:42] <freeroute> oh I have raspi 1
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[17:42] <freeroute> here's my anti-dusting solution - http://i.imgur.com/jea8Ape.jpg
[17:43] <freeroute> not sure if this is safe, I've only OC'd the pi to 800MHz
[17:43] <freeroute> (the modest option)
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[17:50] <karlton> freeroute: You can monitor the temp with cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[17:53] <freeroute> ah cool, thnx karlton
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[17:53] <freeroute> sadly my pi is booting into a kernel panic so I'm gonna tone it down to 700Mhz :p
[17:53] <shiftplusone> temperature isn't the thing to worry about when overclocking
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[17:54] <freeroute> ah, it's the power supply right?
[17:54] <shiftplusone> the silicon itself
[17:54] <freeroute> oh
[17:55] <shiftplusone> it'll either overclock well, or it won't. Temperature will only matter if it overclocks REALLY well.
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[17:57] <TheLostAdmin> Has anyone gathered information on how well the overclocking works on average for the given models?
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[17:57] <shiftplusone> I think people have better things to do, heh.
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[17:58] <TheLostAdmin> No they don't. They should, but they don't. Otherwise we wouldn't have Wikipedia or IMDB.
[17:58] <TheLostAdmin> Well, we might have Wikipedia but it wouldn't have nearly as many lists as it does.
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[17:58] <shiftplusone> The ring oscillator values are directly proportional to how well the pi will overclock, so if you want to gather that information, there's a thread where people are posting their values.
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[18:09] <Tenkawa> wow.. things are fixing well today
[18:09] <Tenkawa> I am certainly not complaining
[18:10] <McBride36> i am. our company still uses win xp
[18:10] <Tenkawa> McBride36: yeouch
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[18:25] <Tenkawa> Any of you got a console going from your pi to a usb port on another box using a ttyUSB based console?
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[18:26] <shiftplusone> eh? you mean connecting two usb uart adapters?
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[18:29] <freeroute> the last post in this thread is about compiling something from the debian repos which don't have ARM support, right? https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9298&p=108459
[18:29] <freeroute> I want to compile the latest OpenSSH on RPi
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[18:31] <Tenkawa> shiftplusone: I want to create a console on my rpi that i can connect to via usb
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[18:32] <Tenkawa> i know there are serial adapters for it
[18:32] <shiftplusone> so you don't mean by using a usb port on the pi? Yeah, that's trivial.
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[18:32] <Tenkawa> coo
[18:33] <Tenkawa> l
[18:33] <Tenkawa> thought so
[18:33] <Tenkawa> i dont typicly have anything svga/dvi/hdmi etc to use
[18:33] <Tenkawa> so i rely on ttys
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[18:33] <mun> hi
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[18:34] <Tenkawa> hi
[18:35] <mun> is there a way to make a watered down version of the raspberry pi (with relative ease)? e.g., with no other I/O beside one USB.
[18:35] <Sonny_Jim> That's called a Model A
[18:35] <Sonny_Jim> Well, it doesn't have ethernet but it still has GPIO
[18:36] <mun> Sonny_Jim: well, hopefully with lesser CPU power as well.
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> Uses about half the power of a Model B so it's good for battery powered situations
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> Why would you want *less* CPU?
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[18:36] <mun> because the task i'm hoping to run is very simple
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[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> Consider using a PIC then
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[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> or TTL logic depending on just how simple you need
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, TTL logic and USB would be quite hard
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe something like this:
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> http://codeandlife.com/2012/02/22/v-usb-with-attiny45-attiny85-without-a-crystal/
[18:38] <mun> i'll check that out
[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> Actually this is a better link
[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html
[18:38] <Sonny_Jim> Explains what V-USB is
[18:39] <Tenkawa> anyone tried a rpi2 on a 2amp usb power brick? (generic model you get at shows)
[18:39] <Bilby> Ah, mail order. You add a few things here and there to make sure you get a good deal on shipping, next thing you know they're sending you a shipping container...
[18:41] <Tenkawa> Bilby: ouhc
[18:41] <Tenkawa> er ouch
[18:41] <Tenkawa> unless its one of those neat reuseable nice ones
[18:42] <Tenkawa> as long as they dont want it back
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[18:43] <Bilby> haha
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[18:44] <Bilby> I'm just looking at wire now because I have a project that will be client-visible, and while I have plenty of white and red wire I don't have any matching black wire
[18:44] <Bilby> And i'm just thinking am I going to spend $30 for a spool of nice wire for one job? XD
[18:45] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
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[18:50] <Bilby> So far I have a couple of ICs (with spares) various resistors, caps, jacks, a couple project boxes, things for other projects, an unfortunately expensive 3PDT switch...
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[18:51] <Bilby> I don't need 1000ft, and I don't need wire rated for 1kv, so I think i'll get my wire elsewhere...
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[18:55] <freeroute> so is it me or does everything appear to be broken on my pi? http://imgur.com/y9r6U7X,zPFbKkk
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[18:56] <freeroute> this EXT4-fs error worries me, can it be a SD card thing?
[18:56] <Tenkawa> Bilby: aww come on.. you know you want to figure out how to use 1000ft of cable haahaa
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[18:56] <freeroute> (one line above the last line)
[18:56] <skyroveRR> freeroute: looks like an SD card issue, you've got backups?
[18:57] <Tenkawa> freeroute: minimally shut it down and make sure the contacts are nice and clean too
[18:57] <freeroute> skyroveRR: it's a brand new SD card I loaded raspbian on.
[18:57] <skyroveRR> freeroute: try using some other SD card..
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[18:57] <Tenkawa> use that other machine to run a badblocks on if you ca
[18:58] <Tenkawa> n
[18:58] <skyroveRR> freeroute: those are file system errors, they don't normally show up.
[18:58] <Tenkawa> freeroute: what kind of power are you running it with too?
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[19:00] <freeroute> Tenkawa: micro USB, forgot the wattage, but it's from a Samsung power adapter
[19:02] <skyroveRR> freeroute: you mean a phone charger?
[19:02] <skyroveRR> Or specifically an 'adapter'?
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[19:02] <skyroveRR> Phone chargers aren't recommended. There shouldn't be any voltage drop. That affects the pi.
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[19:03] <Bilby> Hah, generally i do reccomend phone chargers, at least good brand ones
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[19:03] <Bilby> over generic power adapters and other stuff
[19:03] <McBride36> ^ i've got mine hooked up from my kindle charger
[19:03] <skyroveRR> Heh.
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[19:03] <Bilby> samsung charger & blackberry power cord here
[19:04] <Tenkawa> bbiaf..
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[19:04] <Bilby> oh - friend with a bunch of Pi2s says he uses the microcenter "raspberry pi power supply" and hasn't had any low power warnings, so that's probably worth checking out
[19:04] <McBride36> just check specs of your adapter
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[19:06] <freeroute> it might very well be an SD card failure because the card was used for recording audio and I had problems with it too, I somehow blamed it on the recorded but now I'm beginning to realize it was the card.
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[19:48] <pranith> I tried using an external HD with rpi2 and it does not work. On googling I learnt that rpi2 does not have juice to power the external hd. If I buy a powered USB hub, will that work for rpi2? I am looking at the amazon basics 4 USB 3.0 hub in particular
[19:48] <Tenkawa> yes
[19:48] <Tenkawa> at least it does for me
[19:48] <Tenkawa> I still use a small microsd to boot it though
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[19:51] <pranith> Tenkawa, yup. I boot it through microsd... but it is too small to hold my dev environment..
[19:52] <pranith> also I am hoping that the USB 3.0 will have no problem with rpi2... it will just be downgraded to USB 2.0 which rpi2 supports, right?
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[19:52] <Tenkawa> i use one of my rpis with just a 2amp usb power supply with a ssd root filesystem
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[19:53] <Tenkawa> you getting errors?
[19:53] <pranith> No, I do not have the hub yet... I am deciding whether to order the USB 2.0 hub or the USB 3.0 hub
[19:55] <pranith> there are some articles talking about back power... I did not really understand that
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[19:55] <Tenkawa> I'm not using a hub at all
[19:56] <Tenkawa> i have tried it both ways
[19:56] <Tenkawa> need conistent power
[20:00] <chris_99> don't spose anyone's bought one of these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-NOIR-Camera-Board-w-CS-mount-Lens-compatible-with-official-module-/281626894270?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4192455fbe
[20:01] * shiftplusone grumbles about people trying random things until the issue is masked and then presenting it as the fix.
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[20:03] <Tenkawa> cheers all.. bbl
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[20:06] <Froolap> ha ha, I got a 40 gig hard drive running pidora on my pi2. cheers
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[20:07] <teusje> hi
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[20:08] <teusje> when I log in on my raspberry pi, each time my keyboard layout is changed from azerty to qwerty. can somebody guide me to make sure this stays azerty?
[20:08] <teusje> <-- beginner
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[20:11] <strobelight> pranith: "back power" means you don't want your hub to supply power to the pi USB ports it's plugged into.
[20:12] <pranith> strobelight, OK. How do I ensure this does not happen? And is this an issue for rpi2(I know it is for rpi)?
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[20:14] <strobelight> you buy a hub that does not provide power on its connection to the pi. I have a usb3 hub, which provides a special cable to plug into one of the usb ports to extend the port, although I have yet to see the pi see any of my devices plugged in to the hub, so if I were, I'd stick with 2.0 hubs.
[20:15] <strobelight> (I should try on my new pi2 though)
[20:16] <teusje> i only see "setting preliminary keymap" and then I see the raspi-config screen again
[20:16] <teusje> but I can't change the keyboard layout or don't see any option to it :s
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[20:19] <pranith> strobelight, any suggestions for such a hub?
[20:20] <strobelight> teusje: hmm, internationalization->keyboard layout arrow keys to get to what you want, tab to OK, enter, scroll to Other to choose something different, see a different list
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[20:21] <strobelight> pranith: try http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[20:22] <pranith> strobelight, thanks
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[20:23] <karlton> ls
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[20:28] <pranith> strobelight, that links talks mostly about rpi... is it the same with rpi2?
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[20:29] <strobelight> I would think so
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[20:30] <teusje> ok found it
[20:30] <teusje> cd /etc/xrdp
[20:30] <teusje> setxkbmap -layout be
[20:30] <teusje> sudo cp km-0409.ini km-0409.ini.bkf
[20:30] <teusje> sudo xrdp-genkeymap km-0409.ini
[20:30] <teusje> it was xrdp that was still qwerty
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[20:31] <tchiwam> Hello all, Anyone here has a good DC-DC with isolated output 5VDC ~ 2A for the pi ?
[20:31] <tchiwam> Something small like a buck converter...
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[20:42] <Froolap> teusje: region/language
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[20:44] <Froolap> does GPIO fix GIGO?
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[20:57] <Ephexeve> Hey guys, anyone knows the default username for the Freebsd RPI?
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[20:59] <shauno> knowing the bsd guys, I'd expect either root with no password, or root with toor as the password
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[21:01] <Ephexeve> nop
[21:01] <Ephexeve> :(
[21:01] <Ephexeve> none of them
[21:02] <cehteh> tried the same as on linux? pi:raspberry iirc?
[21:02] <shauno> ah, try: Username: root Password: freebsdarm
[21:03] <shauno> I was going to tell you off, but I can't find the answer on their page either. but that one's in a 2013 post @ https://www.raspberrypi.org/freebsd-is-here/
[21:05] <bhez> tchiwam, need it to step up from, say a 3v-4.2v li-ion battery, or step down from a higher voltage?
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[21:07] <bhez> tchiwam, I plan on making this circuit to power a pi: http://www.linear.com/product/LT1308A
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[21:09] <tchiwam> bhez: That's cool, I'l like a step down, but the isolation is the important factor here.
[21:10] <tchiwam> I can probably flip the design around and isolate the other end and have the Pi on the fixed ground...
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[21:14] <bhez> tchiwam, this dc-dc converter manufacturer's website might help: http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/pst.do?id=1160
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[21:16] <bhez> although the circuits you'd build from what I seem to be finding seem to be more complex than what I'm personally willing to deal with
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[21:19] <cehteh> bhez: you can get these finished for $2 or so
[21:20] <cehteh> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B009P04YTO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
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[21:21] <cehteh> err thats stepdown, but stepups are available too
[21:21] <bhez> oh, nice price.
[21:21] <cehteh> what was your input voltage?
[21:23] <cehteh> i plan to run the pi from those someday too, ordered (and got) a few from them, running from lipo batteries
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[21:23] <tchiwam> I have 5 , 12 and 19, then the real power source can be, solar panel, wind mill, car battery, so a 9 to 40VDC input would be nice (TM), then the output can be 5 or 12VDC on the output. I was also thinking to add a proper protection on the input in case of use with automotive alternator...
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[21:24] <tchiwam> We have a 3MW transmitter right nect door too, so I'd like to be isolated between the sensors and the Pi itself...
[21:25] <cehteh> 40V is a bit high most are around 35V max
[21:25] <tchiwam> 35VDC is still plenty good
[21:25] <cehteh> few days ago i made a battery protection circruit which cuts power when voltage gets low
[21:25] <cehteh> (for lipo's)
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[21:27] <cehteh> dunno if you need a LC filter when running the pi behind such a switching regulator
[21:27] <tchiwam> Damn I don't have my notes here, but it's a neat To220 package protects up to 40A , reverse voltage, spikes, ...
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[21:28] <cehteh> its not that hard to make some protection
[21:29] <cehteh> z-diode and fuse would be easiest
[21:29] <cehteh> an LC filter wont hurt either, esp since you need it quite versatile
[21:30] <tchiwam> I know, but finding a Rpi isolated DCDC is a bit harder than planned :) I found some modules on mouser, Ill probably go with one of those.
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[21:30] <cehteh> do you need it isolated?
[21:30] <CoJaBo> Is there a point to having a non-replacable fuse/protection diode in a DC-DC converter?
[21:30] <CoJaBo> seems kinda.. pointless
[21:30] <tchiwam> Yup, that's my main trouble ...
[21:30] <cehteh> CoJaBo: why that?
[21:30] * CoJaBo has noticed that a couple times now
[21:31] <CoJaBo> cehteh: why what?
[21:31] <cehteh> why is that pointless?
[21:31] <tchiwam> CoJaBo: I like to have a resetable fuse, they are cheap and easy to get, but a proper fuse is always a good thing...
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[21:31] <CoJaBo> cehteh: I assume the diode is to protect the device, isn't it?
[21:32] <tchiwam> AFAIK, most usb designs are using resetable (thermal fuses)
[21:32] <cehteh> protecting the dcdc itself
[21:32] <CoJaBo> But.. if the fuse is non-replacable, the device is dead either way
[21:32] <cehteh> running from a generator can have very high voltage spiles
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[21:32] <tchiwam> CoJaBo: soldering iron and a bit of tin ;)
[21:32] <CoJaBo> So it would seem like they could shave off a few million bucks by losing the diode :P
[21:32] <cehteh> also depends .. if there wont be a fuse and the things starts a fire then its more pits
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[21:33] <cehteh> electrolyte condensator after a generator for example should really be protected somehow
[21:33] <tchiwam> Most chinese made DCDC don't even have the input diode, I always add it, that way I won't go oups ...
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[21:34] <cehteh> input diode will give some drop
[21:34] <tchiwam> You loose 0.6V
[21:34] <CoJaBo> ..it would be ironic if it was actually revved initially to have a resettable fuse, and they removed that to save cost, but didn't also remove the now-useless diode lol
[21:34] <cehteh> sometimes that matters
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[21:34] <tchiwam> Bench development with a wall source... 0.6VDC not a big deal... Once in the field that 0.6V is neat to keep :)
[21:34] <cehteh> the diode still filters transitents
[21:37] <tchiwam> But I have to go and play with the radar, Ill be back ...
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[21:41] <Froolap> why dose that remind me of (M*A*S*H)? go play with radar.....
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[21:44] <tchiwam> Cuz we have the whole series of M*A*S*H right here, long live Alda
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[22:05] <Tenkawa> anyone know offhand which led in /sys is the main power led name?
[22:06] <Tenkawa> found it
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[22:26] <Encapsulation> I'm facing a challenge right now in my program. I need objects running methods and having their attributes change at regular intervals and in reaction to events while simultaneously providing I/O to the user. What language//techniques would I use to accomplish this?
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[22:31] <McBride36> i don't see why you couldn't use python
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[22:35] <strobelight> which would be better at controlling another process via IPC? dbus or fifo (named pipe) or shared memory?
[22:35] <CoJaBo> strobelight: for controlling, you want a message-passing protocol..
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[22:37] <strobelight> guess I'll have to look those up
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[23:15] <JFlash> hey
[23:16] <JFlash> guys after 8 months of owning a RPI I'm finally getting to use it!
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[23:16] <McBride36> congrats!
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> Huzzah!
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[23:17] <JFlash> thanks
[23:17] <JFlash> keyboard not responsive I guess
[23:18] <JFlash> what can I do about it?
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[23:18] <JFlash> should any regular cheapo keyboard work?
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
[23:19] * ozzzy_ has a $5 usb kbd and a $14 wireless kbd/mouse set that both work fine
[23:20] <ozzzy_> and the $5 hdmi->vga adapter works fine to connect a standard monitor to it
[23:20] <JFlash> brand new cheapo. dont see any lights on it
[23:20] <JFlash> would I be able to tab around the desktop
[23:21] <Sonny_Jim> Press the caps lock key
[23:21] <JFlash> I think it's running raspbian, ot sure
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[23:21] <JFlash> yes, caps lock work
[23:21] <JFlash> here's the thing guys
[23:21] <JFlash> there's only 2 ports
[23:21] <JFlash> usb
[23:21] <JFlash> and I have keyboard, mouse and wifi to fit in
[23:21] <JFlash> so I left the mouse out lol
[23:22] <JFlash> now needt to be able to tab my way into the terminal
[23:22] <Sonny_Jim> Just press:
[23:22] <Sonny_Jim> Ctrl-Alt-F1
[23:22] <JFlash> that worked!
[23:22] <JFlash> you guys rock
[23:22] <Sonny_Jim> Welcome to Linux, where we still give a crap about keyboards
[23:22] <JFlash> it says: login
[23:23] <JFlash> haha
[23:23] <JFlash> yeah keyboards, ha
[23:23] <JFlash> go figure
[23:23] <JFlash> we in the 21th centure have (Amazon's) Alexa
[23:23] <JFlash> works 77% percent of times :D
[23:24] <brennen> i've got a couple of these: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/migr-73183
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[23:24] <JFlash> it says login
[23:24] <brennen> a convenient side effect is that if you need to conserve ports, the trackpoint is built in so no mouse required.
[23:24] <JFlash> I'm scared
[23:25] <brennen> JFlash: pi / raspberry
[23:25] <JFlash> hmm trackpoint
[23:25] <JFlash> what is that
[23:25] <brennen> little red eraser mouse thingy in the middle of the keyboard.
[23:25] <JFlash> says debian
[23:25] <JFlash> let me try proc
[23:25] <JFlash> what's that command again
[23:26] <JFlash> to tell the OS
[23:26] <JFlash> proc version
[23:26] <JFlash> permission denied
[23:26] <brennen> cat /etc/lsb-release
[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> or cat /etc/issue
[23:27] <Sonny_Jim> or uname -a
[23:27] <JFlash> no such fil
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[23:28] <JFlash> it says lixux rasp 3.12.22 armv61
[23:28] <JFlash> doesnt say the OS
[23:28] <JFlash> i mean the distro
[23:28] <Sonny_Jim> Well, what distro did you install?
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[23:28] <JFlash> no idea
[23:29] <JFlash> too long ago
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> Then it might be prudent just to download and reflash a more current one
[23:29] <JFlash> yeah that makes sense
[23:29] <JFlash> but right now I just wante to know the distro
[23:29] <JFlash> and also test wifi
[23:29] <Sonny_Jim> cat /etc/issue doesn't tell you?
[23:29] <JFlash> i'm typing ifconfig
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Try iwconfig
[23:30] <JFlash> sorry missed that one
[23:30] <JFlash> yes
[23:30] <JFlash> Rapbian 7 . Is that good or bad?
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> It's what most people use
[23:30] <brennen> it's fine, but it's probably still a fair bit out of date with the official release.
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> You may want to update it, but tbh it'd be quicker/easier just to reflash it
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[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:31] <JFlash> how to connect to wifi?
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[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> There's guides on the rasbian wiki
[23:31] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/
[23:31] <JFlash> ok but how do I find out if the dongle has been recognized?
[23:32] <JFlash> i typed if config and I get 3 entries
[23:32] <JFlash> eth0, lo and nwlan0
[23:32] <JFlash> wlan0
[23:32] <Sonny_Jim> Follow the guide ;-)
[23:32] <Sonny_Jim> It's really not that hard
[23:32] <Sonny_Jim> If wlan0 exists, then the dongle has been recognised by the kernel
[23:33] <Sonny_Jim> eth0 being the onboard ethernet adapter and lo being the loopback (ie 127.0.0.1)
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[23:35] <JFlash> i want to go do it with mouse
[23:35] <JFlash> how can I exit the terminal
[23:35] * dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[23:35] <JFlash> control alt f1?
[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> Ctrl-Alt-F7 (I think)
[23:35] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on the distrobution
[23:35] <JFlash> thanks
[23:35] <brennen> alt left/right will get you there eventually too
[23:36] <JFlash> what where you saying about trackpoint
[23:36] <JFlash> earlier
[23:36] <JFlash> when I said I dont have enought USB ports
[23:36] <Sonny_Jim> They were talking about a keyboard with a built in mouse trackpoint
[23:37] <JFlash> ha ok. mine was 10 bucks
[23:37] <JFlash> doesnt have this luxury
[23:37] <Sonny_Jim> You can just hotswap the mouse and keyboard, but honestly, wicd-curses isn't that hard to use
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[23:40] <JFlash> it keeps saying disconnected from the network
[23:40] <JFlash> how can i find out if I have bad password?
[23:41] <JFlash> in other OSs I can see the pass thatI entered
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[23:43] <JFlash> never mind
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[23:44] <JFlash> it has 3 browsers
[23:45] <JFlash> dilo or something
[23:45] <JFlash> midori and iceweasel
[23:45] <JFlash> which is best?
[23:45] <JFlash> first google result listed is: "raspberry pi painfully slow"
[23:46] <Criggie> elinks is all you need
[23:46] <Criggie> real men use telnet www.server.com 80 ; get /
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[23:49] <JFlash> haha
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[23:49] <JFlash> I just did update and upgrade
[23:50] <JFlash> what else do I need to do?
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[23:52] * [Saint] is now known as sinner
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[23:55] <alesan> hello
[23:56] <alesan> anybody knows if the H.264 ENcoder in the raspberry pi works?
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[23:58] <JFlash> guys
[23:58] <JFlash> I'm readying that epyphany is the best browser
[23:59] <JFlash> I really need youtube for those pesky j-pop videos
[23:59] * freeroute (~freeroute@unaffiliated/freeroute) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:59] <JFlash> readying = reading
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