#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-04-18

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[0:00] <Brutussss> that can mean two things. if you can't access it from another vlan it means your vlan configuration might need to change. if it means towards the internet, you will need to enable port forwarding from your router or firewall towards the pi
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[0:00] <ins3> it can connect to the internet, it's just that my friends etc can't connect to it
[0:00] <Brutussss> if you actually mean from another internet then I have no idea what you are talking about
[0:00] <Brutussss> joke aside, this seams to be on a home network
[0:01] <ins3> it is
[0:01] <Brutussss> so set up port forwarding on your modem/router
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[0:01] <Brutussss> otherwise it's never going to work
[0:01] <ins3> alright, i'll try doing that
[0:01] <ins3> tahnks man
[0:01] <ins3> thanks_*
[0:01] <Brutussss> no problem :)
[0:01] <ins3> thanks_
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[0:01] <ins3> thanks* dammit
[0:01] <Brutussss> hehe
[0:01] <Brutussss> http://www.howtogeek.com/66214/how-to-forward-ports-on-your-router/
[0:02] <Brutussss> set it towards the internal IP of your pi
[0:02] <Brutussss> ports depend on the use of your system so if you use nginx as a webserver that should be 443 and 80
[0:03] <ins3> uhh, it's asking me for tcp and udp
[0:03] <ins3> both are 80 and 443, right?
[0:03] <Brutussss> just TCP is fine
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[0:05] <ins3> Brutussss: http://i.imgur.com/hk8pDHu.png
[0:05] <ins3> doesn't work :<
[0:05] <ins3> i tried only tcp
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[0:06] <Brutussss> if it's setup properly they now *should* be able to connect to your IP address
[0:06] <ins3> guess i'll have to ask on the forums
[0:07] <ins3> thanks anyways
[0:07] <Brutussss> I don't know anything about that though.
[0:07] <Brutussss> no Problem
[0:07] <Brutussss> they do have their own channel on this server though
[0:07] <ins3> what is it?
[0:07] <Brutussss> name of the software
[0:07] <ins3> heh, thanks
[0:08] <Brutussss> no problem :)
[0:09] <Brutussss> ins3: One extra piece of advise. Don't go online as a root user
[0:09] <Brutussss> Not the safest thing to do.
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[0:10] <ins3> yeah I know
[0:10] <Brutussss> ins3: I can reach nginx
[0:10] <ins3> really?
[0:11] <Brutussss> I do get a file not found
[0:11] <Brutussss> yeah
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[0:11] <ins3> which ip are you connecting to?
[0:11] <Brutussss> http://104.236.69.98/
[0:11] <ins3> oh
[0:11] <ins3> this is my server
[0:11] <ins3> not pi
[0:11] <Brutussss> ohhh
[0:12] <ins3> http://192.168.176.180/
[0:12] <ins3> is pi ip
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[0:12] <Brutussss> that's an internal IP address
[0:12] <ins3> that explains why when i lynx to myip.pse it shows another ip
[0:12] <Brutussss> ;)
[0:12] <Brutussss> have you properly set up your sshZ?
[0:13] <Brutussss> *ssh
[0:13] <redstonecraftPL> ok, i have everything
[0:13] <ins3> yeah it's on and listening on 22
[0:13] <ins3> ill try to portforward to that one
[0:13] <redstonecraftPL> and it works, i see preview on screen
[0:13] <redstonecraftPL> but i dont see live on twitch
[0:13] <ali1234> twitch has like a minute delay
[0:13] <Brutussss> that's why I'm asking ins3, make sure you set it up properly with public/private key.
[0:13] <ali1234> also you need to reload the dashboard before it will show up
[0:13] <Brutussss> because otherwise someone might break in.
[0:13] <ins3> yeah, don't worry about that :p
[0:14] <Brutussss> I won't, just warning you. what you do with it is your choice
[0:14] <redstonecraftPL> but after reload the same scene
[0:14] <ins3> thanks, appreciate it
[0:15] <Brutussss> ins3: if you have a webserver running, try to setup nginx on other ports and use port forwarding to those ports on the 192 address of your pi
[0:15] <redstonecraftPL> perhaps restart should do the trick
[0:15] <Brutussss> can't have the same ports pointing towards two systems
[0:19] <redstonecraftPL> it still does not work ;/
[0:21] <ali1234> it still works for me
[0:22] <ali1234> gst-launch-1.0 rpicamsrc bitrate=500000 ! video/x-h264, width=960, height=540 ! h264parse ! flvmux streamable=true ! rtmpsink location=rtmp://live-lhr.twitch.tv/app/
[0:23] <redstonecraftPL> i retyped that
[0:24] <redstonecraftPL> to mine pi
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[0:24] <redstonecraftPL> idk you will see something more than i see http://www.twitch.tv/redstonecraftpl
[0:25] <ali1234> nope, says you're offline
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[0:25] <ali1234> did you put in your stream key?
[0:25] <redstonecraftPL> sure
[0:25] <ali1234> try a more local server? http://bashtech.net/twitch/ingest.php
[0:27] <ali1234> put "GST_DEBUG=3" before gst-launch and if there's any errors
[0:27] <redstonecraftPL> ok
[0:27] <redstonecraftPL> connected to prague ant the same thing
[0:28] <redstonecraftPL> wait a sec
[0:28] <redstonecraftPL> i see that he could not connect
[0:29] <redstonecraftPL> she*
[0:29] <redstonecraftPL> nevermind
[0:29] <redstonecraftPL> lets type that again
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[0:34] <redstonecraftPL> IT WORKS :D
[0:34] <redstonecraftPL> come on all xD
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[0:36] <redstonecraftPL> looks cool :P
[0:37] <ali1234> it's upside down
[0:37] <ali1234> 'gst-inspect rpicamsrc' to see the options it supports
[0:38] <ali1234> or gst-inspect-1.0
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[0:40] <redstonecraftPL> wait a sec :P
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[0:49] <redstonecraftPL> and how it looks ? :)
[0:50] <ali1234> dark. but that's the rpi camera for you
[0:52] <redstonecraftPL> it is 1 am now, man :D
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[0:57] <redstonecraftPL> thank you, ali :)
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[0:57] <ali1234> you're welcome
[0:57] <ali1234> i hope that rpicamsrc gets into raspbian soon
[0:57] <ali1234> it's really useful
[0:58] <redstonecraftPL> not really difficoult to install, btw
[0:58] <ali1234> no, but building from source you won;t get automatic updates
[0:58] <ali1234> it's nicer to install from a package if you can
[0:59] <redstonecraftPL> know, but i always dont liked installing everything from tar.gz (especially when i was 9, then i just wanted UbuntuSoftwareCenter, or deb files only)
[1:00] <redstonecraftPL> so, now i could make my own RTMP server. Then all 'requiments' will meet, so ill end the challenge :)
[1:00] <ali1234> you could probably use gstreamer at the other end for that
[1:01] <ali1234> not sure really
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[1:14] <Topcat> I think my Pi2 is broke. green and red led stay on solid when powered. only hdmi attatched. a Pi B v1 boots with the same sd card in an adapter and same hdmi/power attatched. Can I try anything else?
[1:14] <Topcat> that green led should go off if it could read the SD card right?
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[1:16] <Topcat> I've been through the wiki I'm kind of hoping someone will save me calling farnell
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[2:04] <plugwash> Topcat, did your pi2 ever work?
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[2:04] <DFrostedWang> So I have some CPU fans here (from desktop CPUs) and I was considering trying to rig one up for my raspi
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[2:05] <DFrostedWang> I found a few guides on hooking them up to USB power, but I'm not sure which wires are for what and don't want to break them.
[2:05] <Topcat> yes once, I fired it up, put node on it and took it off to another house. it's not done anything other that described above since
[2:05] <DFrostedWang> Does anyone have experience with such things?
[2:05] <DFrostedWang> And do any of those people want to help me with my project?
[2:07] <plugwash> Topcat, have you tried a freshly prepared SD card? have you tried removing and reinserting the card a few times in case the contacts are dirty?
[2:08] <plugwash> if you've tried those things and it's still not working then I think it's reasonable to conclude is't faulty
[2:09] <Topcat> plugwash: tried many re-insertions. I only have this icro SD but I've tried re-writing a the image and a fresh download. plus using the sd formatter. it boots in an old pi.
[2:09] <Topcat> can you kill a pi with too low a voltage or amps? I was on a boat when it wouldn't come on
[2:10] <Topcat> maybe the power wasn't clean enough or something?
[2:12] <plugwash> seems unlikely to me
[2:13] <plugwash> seems far more likely the thing just has a bad solder joint or so
[2:17] <dodokuse> bake that pi
[2:17] * plugwash would generally suggest saving baking for stuff that is out of warranty
[2:18] <dodokuse> or food.
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[2:22] <Topcat> yeh I'll see if I can swap it. here's hoping
[2:22] <Topcat> thanks for the troubleshoot
[2:22] <Topcat> should I bother finding some other bootloader.bin?
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[3:06] <Tenkawa> hi all
[3:08] <ShorTie> mornin
[3:08] <Tenkawa> ouch
[3:11] <ShorTie> did we touch the wrong thing ??
[3:11] <abnormal> ShorTie: is koversation available for pi?
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[3:12] <ShorTie> apt-cache search koversation
[3:12] <ShorTie> oops, wrong window
[3:13] <abnormal> ok ty
[3:13] <ShorTie> it says nop
[3:13] <ShorTie> with it starting with a k, doesn't that make it a kubuntu thing ??
[3:13] <abnormal> so I have to look for a repo to get it, correct?
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[3:14] <Tenkawa> ShorTie: no..
[3:14] <abnormal> I dunno... it's just about on every distro now
[3:14] <plugwash> abnormal, do you mean konversation
[3:14] <abnormal> yes
[3:14] <karlton> konversation is in qt so I am sure you can run it on a pi, not sure why you would want to though
[3:15] <abnormal> someone else wants to.. not me
[3:15] <ShorTie> apt-cache search konversation says it's there
[3:15] <abnormal> ok ty...
[3:15] <abnormal> but he's have errors as it is installing
[3:16] <abnormal> is there a command for fix?
[3:16] <ShorTie> apg-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[3:17] <ShorTie> see if it helps
[3:17] <abnormal> ok will have him try that...
[3:17] <karlton> I guess kde might actually run well on the pi v2
[3:18] <plugwash> abnormal, failing that we need to know what the errors are
[3:19] <abnormal> yeh, I don't know them either.. working with him on the updates and upgrades first.
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[3:25] <Tenkawa> yay
[3:25] <Tenkawa> all 4 rpi2's running correctly
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[3:30] <Tenkawa> cheers all
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[3:33] <abnormal> congrats
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[3:40] <abnormal> what they running on?
[3:40] <Froolap> empty
[3:40] <ShorTie> electricity
[3:41] <abnormal> lol
[3:41] <Froolap> a table
[3:42] <abnormal> yeh I have a turntable....
[3:43] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/ADUZrq0.jpg
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[3:44] <aurorauser> hello
[3:45] <abnormal> lol, ali1234
[3:46] <aurorauser> can someone tell me reliably how the RPI2 is with RetroPie. I feel like I can't find a definitive answer
[3:46] <ali1234> considering that retropie is a collection of very different emulators, i don't think there can be a definitive answer
[3:47] <aurorauser> I'm just saying from actual experience
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[3:47] <aurorauser> I can understand if N64 and PS1 are sub-par, but I'm more concerned with SNES/GBA/NES
[3:47] <ali1234> snes will be fine
[3:47] <ali1234> and nes
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[3:48] <aurorauser> I got the B+ right now and games like Kirby Superstar get slowed down
[3:48] <ali1234> well that's the problem
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[3:48] <ali1234> nobody has tried every game with every emulator
[3:50] <aurorauser> I think the extra processing power will allow it to run smoother
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[4:05] <abnormal> aurorauser: if you have the pi B-2 it would work real good... B+ is same as B but has 4 usb ports
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[6:34] <McBride36> FUN FACT: it's not a great idea to program whilst drinking straight vodka and mentholmint
[6:34] * Xark notes see WindowsME. :)
[6:34] <brennen> oh what EVER
[6:35] <abnormal> lol
[6:35] * brennen sips red wine, contemplates remaining half of joint.
[6:35] <abnormal> yum
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[6:41] <[Saint]> McBride36: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ballmer_peak.png
[6:41] <McBride36> yeah mate, i passed that like way long ago
[6:42] <DFrostedWang> man this is a shitty picture: http://puu.sh/hhQjp/4e0604d074.JPG
[6:43] <DFrostedWang> but check it out, I stuck a fan on my raspi :D
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[6:46] <[Saint]> Ugh.
[6:47] <[Saint]> That made me wipe my glasses.
[6:47] <[Saint]> You tricky trickster you.
[6:47] <DFrostedWang> yea something is up with my camera
[6:48] <DFrostedWang> need to figure out how to make it not take shit pictures
[6:48] <DFrostedWang> something I changed made it awful
[6:48] <[Saint]> *cough*
[6:48] <[Saint]> ...family friendly 'n stuff *cough*
[6:50] <DFrostedWang> Uh huh
[6:50] <DFrostedWang> 'kay then, never actually noticed the rules
[6:50] <DFrostedWang> read all the other links but missed that one
[6:50] * DFrostedWang skims
[6:50] <DFrostedWang> meh, pretty basic stuff, I can follow that easy enough
[6:52] <[Saint]> some admins are more militant than others on what constitutes family friendly, but most of it is common sense.
[6:52] <DFrostedWang> As long as I'm not banned for my username it's not that militant
[6:52] <DFrostedWang> Certain channels apparently took offense to that
[6:52] <[Saint]> >.>
[6:53] <DFrostedWang> sort of the reason I don't use ubuntu anymore
[6:53] <DFrostedWang> *cough*
[6:53] <DFrostedWang> but hey, you guys seem fine with it :D
[6:53] <McBride36> it bet that fan makes it go really fast
[6:53] <[Saint]> Not missing much.
[6:53] <DFrostedWang> oh yea, super fast
[6:53] <DFrostedWang> but I really need to paint it red
[6:53] <McBride36> no no no, you need to rub it with cheetah blood
[6:54] <McBride36> that's the fastest upgrade
[6:54] <[Saint]> I...
[6:54] <exo-squad> is anybody working on making an android for rpi2 ?
[6:54] <DFrostedWang> I got this fan for $0.50 and the USB cable is from a keyboard I paid another $0.50 for. I combined them somehow and now this thing is spinning!
[6:54] <DFrostedWang> :D
[6:54] <McBride36> but for real though, i liek the case on that pi. i gotta get something like that
[6:55] <DFrostedWang> McBride36: My pi?
[6:55] <exo-squad> i bought the crappiest case for my rpi2.. it was this thing that snapped together on all sides
[6:55] <[Saint]> exo-squad: its the same story as with the other raspi variants really, even though it now has an architecture that would allow a modern Android version, it has the same GPU.
[6:55] <DFrostedWang> Mine snaps together
[6:55] * McBride36 checks who sent the puush
[6:55] <DFrostedWang> At least it did. Right now it's just half a case with a fan on top.
[6:56] <McBride36> uh yes?
[6:56] <DFrostedWang> McBride36: That would be me then :D
[6:56] <exo-squad> Saint. but i thought they did more open sourcing the gpu thing these days
[6:56] <McBride36> anyone program in python extensively in here?
[6:57] <[Saint]> exo-squad: kinda.
[6:57] <exo-squad> if microsoft is gonna do a windows for the pi2 google should really step up and do an android
[6:57] <[Saint]> basically, give up on Android on the pi.
[6:57] <[Saint]> Why should Google do it?
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[6:57] <[Saint]> WHy is it their job?
[6:57] <exo-squad> to be cool.
[6:57] <exo-squad> duh. :)
[6:57] <[Saint]> Google only does Nexus devices.
[6:58] <[Saint]> Its up to the OEM to port Android to %device, so, snuggle up to the RPF/Broadcom.
[6:58] <exo-squad> like just imagine, open source android is not on an the most open source device. and microsoft windows.. all microsofty and stuff on it
[6:58] <exo-squad> it kinda already feels like something dirty
[6:58] <DFrostedWang> 32.6 degrees, much cooler than passive
[6:59] <DFrostedWang> :D
[6:59] * DFrostedWang notes that his pi is idle right now
[6:59] <[Saint]> I highly suspect that Google would have a hard time caring less about the raspi, to be honest.
[6:59] <exo-squad> Saint, they can throw away money tho and not care
[6:59] <DFrostedWang> If they did care I have the feeling they'd have a machine out to compete with it already
[6:59] <[Saint]> DFrostedWang: precisely
[6:59] <DFrostedWang> When google really seems to care about something it gets going quickly
[6:59] <exo-squad> theres already like thousands of china android computers
[6:59] <exo-squad> pc sticks
[6:59] * [Saint] nods
[7:00] <[Saint]> well, if you want an Android SBC...get one of them.
[7:00] <[Saint]> 'cos the pi ain't one.
[7:00] <exo-squad> saint, you know how it is tho.. just liking having options
[7:00] <exo-squad> :D
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[7:01] <[Saint]> exo-squad: buy a Hardkernel ODROID C1
[7:01] <[Saint]> same price as a raspi, and arguable a lot better in many respects,
[7:01] <[Saint]> and...Android.
[7:02] <exo-squad> rpi2 has a community thats huge
[7:02] <exo-squad> nobody else has that
[7:03] <[Saint]> yeah - its not like there's a massive community surrounding every one of the major *nix distributions or anything...
[7:03] <[Saint]> /s
[7:04] <exo-squad> yeah, but its the hardware/software combo that is the draw
[7:04] <[Saint]> the only reason the raspi really needed its own community was because it wasn't running an "out of the box" distrubution.
[7:05] <[Saint]> And the ODROID community isn;t exactly small, FWIW.
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[7:05] <[Saint]> Just sayin'.
[7:07] <[Saint]> I have a couple of dozen of them in deployment, and I don't know anyone else who's bought one and regretted it.
[7:08] <[Saint]> The raspi is a good thing, the ODROID c1 is similar, but something else entirely.
[7:08] <exo-squad> im really just a lame hobbiest person
[7:08] <exo-squad> i dont realy do anything cool
[7:09] <plugwash> [Saint], depends on your definition of "out of the box" I guess
[7:09] <plugwash> most linux boards start out running a standard distribution but with a custom kernel, the Pi was no exception
[7:09] <plugwash> raspbian came later
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[7:11] <McBride36> [Saint], you code in python at all?
[7:11] <[Saint]> Not unless I can avoid it.
[7:11] <[Saint]> *can't.
[7:11] <McBride36> :(
[7:13] * plugwash suspects if the Pi had come out slightly earlier then raspbian would never have been needed
[7:13] <[Saint]> I mainly work with Java, C, and a tiny wee bit of ARM ASM
[7:14] <[Saint]> besides the usual cluster of assorted scripting languages.
[7:14] <plugwash> If it had come out before the major distros settled on armv7 for their hardfloat ports.........
[7:15] <[Saint]> I honestly don't think it would have stopped the sway away from armv6
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[7:16] <[Saint]> I really don't. It has had an undeniable difference in keeping armv6 alive and kicking, but I sincerely doubt it the raspi came out earlier that it would have had any impact on distros settling around armv7.
[7:16] <plugwash> maybe, who knows for sure.
[7:16] <[Saint]> Dr. Who does.
[7:17] <[Saint]> Or that guy from MIB: 3 that sees all alternate realities at once.
[7:17] <DFrostedWang> This picture is immensely better than the previous one: http://puu.sh/hhSNi/0b25cddb5d.JPG
[7:18] * plugwash remembers going to a Debian bug squashing party early during the development of raspbian and people expressing surprise that armv6 hardfloat was even possible.
[7:21] <exo-squad> DFrostedWang, what are you clocking that as?
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[7:22] <DFrostedWang> 1000MHz
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[7:23] <[Saint]> IOW: the fan is just for 'the lulz'
[7:23] <DFrostedWang> well, yea
[7:23] <DFrostedWang> :D
[7:23] <[Saint]> Oh lord...it has heat syncs too.
[7:23] <DFrostedWang> It's running at 32c idle, ~40c under load
[7:23] <[Saint]> *facepalm*
[7:24] <plugwash> It took quite a while for us to get taken seriously...
[7:24] <DFrostedWang> Well I already had those on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[7:24] <exo-squad> i was thinking that was like 4ghz or something ;)
[7:24] <DFrostedWang> [Saint]: What's wrong with heat sinks?
[7:24] <[Saint]> DFrostedWang: they serve no real purpose in the application
[7:24] <DFrostedWang> Yea, sure, but they came with my case
[7:25] <DFrostedWang> why wouldn't I have them on?
[7:25] <DFrostedWang> There's no downside to them that I know of
[7:25] <[Saint]> They can actually make the device run /hotter/.
[7:25] <DFrostedWang> They haven't as far as I've seen... how would they do that?
[7:26] <[Saint]> the adhesive is often questionable.
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[7:27] <[Saint]> but, anyhoo - the SoC is designed for embedded applications in mind, and it won't even begin to care about the temperature until 80~85C.
[7:28] <[Saint]> but that's well within its operating range still.
[7:28] <DFrostedWang> I just wanted to see how low I could get the temp
[7:28] <DFrostedWang> this isn't meant for anything in particular, it's supposed to be more of a sandbox to mess around with
[7:29] <DFrostedWang> so I spent a dollar and an hour or two figuring out some wiring stuff
[7:30] <[Saint]> It looks like a big mamma CAT cable is protecting her baby.
[7:32] <DFrostedWang> heh, yea I didn't have a short ethernet cable
[7:32] <DFrostedWang> so I rolled up a 14 foot one
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[7:33] <[Saint]> ~4m, you monster!
[7:33] <[Saint]> imperial measure #notevenonce
[7:34] <[Saint]> imperial measure leads to hard drugs.
[7:34] <DFrostedWang> Okay, well not everyone would know what I meant if I only used metrics
[7:34] <DFrostedWang> In the middle of nowhere missouri, nobody knows how to use the metric system
[7:35] <exo-squad> DFrostedWang, im in kansas city
[7:36] <[Saint]> If you're going to use imperial measure, pick a good one. Like 'chains', or 'barleycorns', or a 'roman mile' :)
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[7:40] <[Saint]> your CAT cable is .21 chains long
[7:42] <[Saint]> or 0.08 leages.
[7:43] <[Saint]> *leagues
[7:44] <[Saint]> .021 furlongs
[7:44] <[Saint]> ...anyhoo.
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[13:14] <redstonecraftPL> Hi
[13:14] <redstonecraftPL> ali, are you there?
[13:15] <redstonecraftPL> or that is the bouncer?
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[14:09] <Shellfishgene> Hi all! Does anyone have LIRC running with lirexec to run local commands? I'm getting "hardware does not support sending" when trying to switch things via an android lirc client app.
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[14:56] <Bilby> *yawn*
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[15:10] <Froolap> what happened?
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[15:11] <[Saint]> ...to?
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[15:22] * Bilby could have sworn Froolap was a bot...
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[15:22] <Bilby> but I'm only on my first cup of coffee so my brain is like 20% loaded
[15:23] <Tenkawa> Bilby: haahaa
[15:23] <Tenkawa> Bilby: how about this weather eh?
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[15:23] <Froolap> I'm not a bot? you mean I'm a real boy?
[15:23] <Tenkawa> where did this come from? this just doesnt seem right
[15:24] <Bilby> I know right
[15:24] <Bilby> Yesterday I was sweating like a sinner in church
[15:24] <Tenkawa> Bilby: yeah its eerie
[15:24] <Tenkawa> i think it might hit 80 today
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[15:25] <Bilby> Dress clothes plus manual labor should be illegal, but when you're pulling cables in an executive office environment...
[15:25] <Tenkawa> this sunlight is just amazing after what we've had lately
[15:25] <Froolap> it's already 84
[15:25] <Bilby> to be honest I think wearing a plain t-shirt and work pants would look more professional; at least i wouldn't be dripping with sweat
[15:25] <Bilby> Yeah sunlight++
[15:25] <Tenkawa> Bilby: heh I hear ya
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[15:25] <Bilby> I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop
[15:25] <Bilby> Next week: 12 inches of snow
[15:26] <Tenkawa> Bilby: dont give it any ideas'
[15:26] <Bilby> XD
[15:26] <Froolap> I havent seen snow is 15 years
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[15:27] <Froolap> and I don't miss it
[15:27] <Bilby> unfortunately one client locked me out of part of the building yesterday. again. again. So I ended up making a second trip there in the afternoon that blew my toy-buying time all to hell
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[15:27] <Bilby> I was going to go to Lowes and get parts to install my garage door remote
[15:27] <Bilby> Froolap haha nice
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[15:27] <Bilby> I'll take a lil snow over 4" cockroaches
[15:28] <Bilby> I did go to Harbor Freight and look at their tool boxes though
[15:28] <Bilby> Tenkawa, you ever gone to Harbor Freight?
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[15:29] <Tenkawa> yeah
[15:29] <Tenkawa> long time ago but yes
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[15:29] <Froolap> I wish computer makers would start using sane dates as the default for when a system first powers oup rather than go back to 1970-1980... come on, use the date of manufacture as the default date.
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[15:30] <Bilby> Froolap probably just easier because otherwise you'd have to write new bios roms all the time
[15:30] <ShadowJK> they all go to time 0
[15:30] <Bilby> I can see them using the rom's burn date
[15:30] <Bilby> Yep, January 1 1973 isn't it?
[15:30] <ShadowJK> deosn't raspbian boot up with last date it ran at?
[15:31] <plugwash> Depends on whether the person building the image decided to include fake-hwclock or not
[15:32] <Tenkawa> it uses stored files
[15:32] <Tenkawa> save when shutdown.. reset based on that when it starts up
[15:32] <ShadowJK> At work there's a couple of industrial computers that will lose their programming if they lose power. Also, nobody has a copy of the programs, and nobody has the equipment needed to upload the programs
[15:33] <ShadowJK> at my $work*
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[15:33] <Bilby> Sounds like your work is in need of a beefy UPS
[15:33] <Bilby> Closest thing I've dealt to like that was building a new Windows 3.1 machine in 2001 or so
[15:34] <Tenkawa> aww who needs correct dates/times anyway
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[15:34] <plugwash> i'd say they are more in need of putting in place a migration plan ASAP
[15:34] <Froolap> well ya know, any y2k bugs that haven't been fixed by now probably don't need fixing, so it should default to this decade if not this century.
[15:34] <Bilby> computer-controlled poly mill ran using a Win3.1 program, didn't work in emulation at all and a decade of sitting in essentially a garage full of plastic shavings had killed the old one
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[15:35] <Bilby> Aren't we going to have a way more critical date problem in 35 years or so?
[15:35] <teclo-> heh dress clothes and pulling cables
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[15:35] <Tenkawa> well I plan on not caring by then
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[15:36] <Froolap> I think they do that intentionally so that hard core programmers can get a boost of income during retirement.
[15:36] <teclo-> Bilby: that's the year 2037 problem when Unix systems will have too many seconds in the 32-bit time value
[15:36] <Tenkawa> i am just going to relax and say ok whatever
[15:36] <Bilby> teclo- I wasn't even doing anything strenuous and I looked like I had been dipped in a bucket
[15:36] <ShadowJK> Python's unix time datatype is float or something
[15:36] <teclo-> but since most machines are now 64-bit, the time value is 64-bit, so the problem is solved
[15:37] <ShadowJK> at some point in the future, jitter will get worse and worse
[15:37] <teclo-> Bilby: you should bill your dress clothes to the company
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[15:38] <plugwash> it's 2038 not 2037
[15:38] <teclo-> plugwash: ah sorry
[15:38] <plugwash> but yes it's going to be a serious problem, people are starting to talk about doing something about it but progress is very slow
[15:38] <Bilby> hah. I really need to get some workman's clothes
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[15:38] <Bilby> right now I have either khakis and dress shirt or t-shirt and jeans / cargo pants
[15:39] <plugwash> changing time_t without totally breaking compatibility is going to be a PITA (a much bigger PITA than large file support was)
[15:39] <Bilby> a decent pair of linin trowsers and work shirt would go a long way towards keeping me comfortable. Of course, so would losing 30 lbs
[15:39] <Tenkawa> cargos make good working on equip/etc clothes
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[15:39] <Tenkawa> what I used in the datacenter for years
[15:39] <Bilby> Yep, but not "professional" enough. Though better than jeans. Normally I wear dress clothes to at least the first meeting with new clients but yesterday was weird b/c my business partner did all the negotiations
[15:40] <Tenkawa> true
[15:40] <Tenkawa> most places dont like cargos
[15:40] <Tenkawa> I was lucky enough to be at a place that did
[15:40] <Bilby> If the office is closed and we're doing major work I prefer cargo shorts, t-shirt, sneakers
[15:40] <Tenkawa> yep
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[15:41] <Bilby> what i was wearing yesterday was long sleeved dress shirt, dress pants, and dress shoes. augh.
[15:41] <Tenkawa> ouch
[15:41] <Bilby> The building was hella hot too which didn't help I think. I really wasn't doing much except walking from point A to point B but I ended up super sweaty
[15:41] * Bilby thinks he's also crazy out of shape right now... desk job!
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[15:51] <Tenkawa> bbl.. time to run errands
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[16:37] <DoctorD90> hello guys! a little help. I have a netbook broken. I'd like to use it with rpi. It has video and keyboard/mouse with the same cable of rpi's camera(to bettere understand)...how can i connect the to rpi?
[16:38] <pksato> you can not connect theses cables to RPi.
[16:38] <ali1234> you can probably connect the keyboard and mouse
[16:38] <ali1234> but not the display
[16:38] <pksato> or can connect all, and get magic smoke.
[16:38] <ali1234> you will need to make an adapter though, and that will probably cost more than just buying a new netbook
[16:39] <pksato> mouse can be a ps2 interface.
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[16:39] <ali1234> lol no
[16:40] <ali1234> if it is ps/2 i will eat my hat
[16:40] <pksato> keyboard is a matrix, nedd a controller, like one on desktop keyboard.
[16:40] <pksato> display, need a display controller. $50 on ebay.
[16:41] <ali1234> the keyboard probably is ps/2
[16:41] <pksato> on case of keyboard, gpio can be used to decode matrix.
[16:42] <ali1234> no.
[16:42] <pksato> kbd controller is on mainboard, not on keyboard.
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[16:42] <Bilby> right, most likely keyboard just has a zero force ribbon cable
[16:43] <pksato> not a easy task.
[16:44] <Bilby> At minimum it would require a driver board for the display and probably some sort of intermediary board for the keyboard. Would be cool if you could do it
[16:44] <Bilby> but the number of very skilled people doing custom Pi laptops makes me think if it was easier to hack an existing machine, someone would have
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[16:46] <ali1234> it's because there is no point buying a netbook, ripping out the most expensive part of it, and replacing it with something much slower
[16:47] <ali1234> and also because all those ribbon cables are too small to work with without getting custom PCBs made
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[16:53] <DoctorD90> no wait...
[16:54] <DoctorD90> if i remember well, connectors of display is like the connector or rpi camera
[16:54] <DoctorD90> i google for rpi display...1 moment
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[16:54] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, it doesn't work that way
[16:56] <DoctorD90> if i remeber well keyboard/mouse has a cable like this one http://www.petervis.com/Raspberry_PI/Raspberry_Pi_CSI/Raspberry_Pi_CSI_Camera_Module/Raspberry_Pi_CSI_Camera_Module_from_Mobile_Phone.gif
[16:56] <DoctorD90> in itlaian, i call it "flat cable", even if im not sure if it is the english name...
[16:56] <DoctorD90> hi shiftplusone
[16:56] <DoctorD90> why it doesnt ?
[16:56] <giddles> flachbandkabel in germany ;)
[16:57] <giddles> how long could it be?
[16:57] <giddles> i got these 75cm version but i need more
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[16:57] <shiftplusone> flat cable things don't all connect together. The protocol and exact pinout is what matters, not the connector.
[16:58] <shiftplusone> Plus, unless the display somehow happens to be the exact same controller as on the official raspberry pi display, there won't be a driver for it in the firmware.
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[16:59] <ali1234> is that driver in the released firmwares?
[16:59] <shiftplusone> probably
[17:00] <giddles> hm noone answers :(
[17:00] <shiftplusone> (yes, you probably could figure out which controller it's for and find a compatible display)
[17:00] <giddles> every time the same...
[17:00] <giddles> how long could this csi cable be?
[17:00] <giddles> whats its physical length limit on rpi
[17:00] <shiftplusone> giddles, as long as it continues to work with the desired reliability.
[17:01] <giddles> thats not the answer i want to find out by myself ;)
[17:01] <shiftplusone> physically, it can be as long as you can afford... whether it works is another matter.
[17:01] <giddles> works well on 75cm.. i want 2m
[17:01] <giddles> or better i need 2m
[17:01] <shiftplusone> I would be surprised if 2m would work.
[17:01] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone, the pc is this, and cable is that: https://youtu.be/n0TDKRqA7TA?t=4m26s
[17:02] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, yeah, no.
[17:02] <ali1234> can you get right angle cables? (without folding)
[17:02] <giddles> k thanks
[17:02] <DoctorD90> ok shiftplusone T_T thnk T_T
[17:02] <DoctorD90> ali1234, it was to me?
[17:02] <ali1234> anyone?
[17:03] <shiftplusone> giddles, there isn't a point where it works and then you add an extra cm of length and it stops. There are probabilities and environmental factors, so nobody can tell you that maximum length.
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[17:04] <Bilby> 2m you're better off moving the entire Pi
[17:04] <giddles> well i need maybe more as 2m
[17:04] <giddles> :)
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[17:04] <giddles> i started to buy the first rip n january.. now im nearly done on my suvelliance
[17:05] * shiftplusone wonders what EME would be like with these long cables.
[17:05] <ali1234> it's a differential signal so it shouldn't be too bad
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[17:06] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[17:06] <giddles> rpi changed my life ;)
[17:07] <Bilby> Someone with more engineering skills than I might be able to engineer a balun / extender set for it
[17:08] <shiftplusone> someone with more engineering skills would probably not approach the problem this way.
[17:09] <ali1234> extenders exist. but you can also get 2m cables on ebay if you look hard enough
[17:09] <ali1234> probably can get any length you want, this does not mean it will work though
[17:10] <shiftplusone> daisy chain compute module camera adapters together until you've got the length >_<
[17:10] <Bilby> haha
[17:10] <ali1234> what are those?
[17:10] <Bilby> Better off just using HDMI and buying a 2m HDMI cable
[17:10] <shiftplusone> http://uk.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/2433318-40.jpg
[17:11] <shiftplusone> http://www.newark.com/productimages/standard/en_US/79X1774-501.jpg?01AD=3OYfvccQ6YgFxkF0shLm5C_DACMsJS7XHP55uN3wmxgQQo4FXHugktg&01RI=96FF95A8B209703&01NA=na
[17:11] <ali1234> the cm devkit has different connectors?
[17:11] <shiftplusone> ali1234, yeah, to expose all the lanes on the second connector
[17:12] <ali1234> i thought it has 4 lanes?
[17:12] <shiftplusone> Nope, 2 lanes.
[17:12] <niston> CM has more lanes on DSI/CSI than regular Pi, IIRC
[17:13] <shiftplusone> yeah, 2 lanes on regular pi. 4 lanes on the second set.
[17:13] <ali1234> but the connector has 15 pins... 2*4 = 8, power, gnd, i2c = 4... that is less than 15...
[17:14] <Froolap> isn't there a passing lane?
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[17:14] <ali1234> http://5af5e3de5795a966dd90-e9792bbf34570cde028937f7b1897875.r53.cf3.rackcdn.com/uploads/images/5178f9632e184ce681bd6aef0ab30198
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[17:16] <ali1234> adafruit has a 2m cable https://www.adafruit.com/products/2144
[17:18] <shiftplusone> 2*5 (lanes & clock), 4(i2c), a few gpios (led/power)... we're out already.
[17:18] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/For-Raspberry-Pi-Camera-FFC-connector-Flexible-Round-Cable-Kit-for-FFC-Price-/181705083928?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a4e778c18
[17:18] <ali1234> ^ this would be handy for anyone desiring to hack on DSI displays...
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[17:30] <Chillum> hi
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[18:14] <Helldesk> is there anything available for the DSI yet?
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[18:37] <nekkutta> I was wondering if anyone has been able to set up a managed/fall-back to AP setup in the current version of raspbian utilizing the default ifupdown/wpa_supplicant methods, I looked through the forum and didn't really see anything that worked with the default configuration, just ways to wipe the automatice system and just set it up as an AP. sorry for the wall of text.
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[19:40] <Moonsilence> Hi! Is it possible to backup the entire SD card so that I can restore my system to a blank SD card?
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[19:41] <Moonsilence> I need to temporarily borrow my only SD card for taking pictures with a camera, then later I want to use it in my Pi again.
[19:42] <ring0> sure, just use dd
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[19:44] <cehteh> you can even compress the image and/or backup it over the net
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[19:52] <Moonsilence> cehteh, how do I backup the entire SD card over the network?
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[19:53] <cehteh> dd | gzip | netcat (or perhaps over ssh)
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[19:53] <cehteh> mount it readonly when you want to backup from a live system
[19:54] <cehteh> using lzop is prolly better resource wise on the rpi, compared to gzip
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[19:55] <Moonsilence> Thanks
[19:55] <cehteh> you can also zero out unused blocks first, then it compresses much better dd if=/dev/zero of=,deleteme bs=4M ; rm ,deleteme
[19:55] <cehteh> (needs writable mount of course)
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[21:30] <Fooman2011> hi
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[21:32] <Fooman2011> Please could you tell me if you know where I can found "valid" information about protecting my raspberry pi sdcard from corruption because of a raspberry pi power switch off ?
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[21:33] <CoJaBo> Fooman2011: Either shut it down, or rig up a battery backup
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[21:35] <Fooman2011> there is no way to protect sd card corruption ?
[21:36] <CoJaBo> Only to avoid losing power without clean shutdown.
[21:36] <Fooman2011> yeah
[21:36] <Fooman2011> how to do this protection ?
[21:36] <ApolloJustice> before unplugging it, shut it down
[21:36] <CoJaBo> ^
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[21:36] <CoJaBo> You can rig up a GPIO as a shutdown button to make things easier
[21:37] <ApolloJustice> yeh
[21:37] <Fooman2011> ..
[21:37] <CoJaBo> There's battery-backup DIY guides, kits, and full products too if the concern is unpredictable power loss
[21:37] <Fooman2011> I'm looking for a software solution not hardware
[21:37] <ApolloJustice> Fooman2011, before unplugging your Pi,
[21:37] <CoJaBo> It's a hardware problem.
[21:37] <Fooman2011> maybe something like readonly FS
[21:37] <ApolloJustice> type sudo halt
[21:37] <ApolloJustice> at the terminal
[21:37] <CoJaBo> Fooman2011: Flash can be corrupted by power-loss on a read.
[21:38] <ApolloJustice> if you are concerned about sudden power loss, then you -need- a hardware solution
[21:38] <ApolloJustice> otherwise just sudo halt before unplugging it
[21:38] <CoJaBo> Fooman2011: It's "probably" less likely to corrupt on read than on a write, but it will hose it sooner or later on a read-only FS.
[21:39] <Fooman2011> But how PC OS are protected against this ? It's because it is Hard Disk and not SD Card ?
[21:40] <ApolloJustice> no, it's because most people shut down their computers by clicking 'Shutdown'
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[21:40] <ApolloJustice> if you cut power constantly, eventually the filesystem will become corrupt too
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[21:41] <CoJaBo> Fooman2011: Desktop SSDs are essentually battery-backed. HDDs don't have the same kind of issue.
[21:41] <CoJaBo> If you cut power to a modern desktop, even repeatedly, it won't (shouldn't) corrupt anything, because the hardware is designed for that.
[21:42] <ApolloJustice> hardware-wise it should be fine
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[21:42] <ApolloJustice> Windows will still nag you about it tho
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[21:43] <Fooman2011> So without a battery pack it is not possible to protect the SD Card
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[21:44] <CoJaBo> Fooman2011: Pretty much. Fascinating explanation of how they work if you have the time- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3GDPwIuRKI
[21:44] <ApolloJustice> no it's not, the only way to prevent damage is by cleanly shutting down before unplugging
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[21:45] <Matt> CoJaBo: um, no?
[21:45] <CoJaBo> Matt: ?
[21:45] <Matt> if you kill power to a desktop without shutting it down, you're gonna end up with things being corrupt
[21:45] <CoJaBo> Matt: In 2015, that seems unlikely..
[21:46] <ApolloJustice> CoJaBo, you will end up with filesystem damage eventually
[21:46] <Matt> writes go to cache, where they're reordered and written to disk a short while later
[21:46] <ApolloJustice> not hardware damage tho
[21:46] <CoJaBo> Matt: You'll lose whatever data was in cache, but the FS will survive because writes to the journal are atomic.
[21:46] <Matt> if you kill power without syncing the filesystem first, which a clean shutdown does, you have uncommitted data in cache that'll be lost
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[21:47] <Matt> journals catch some, but not all
[21:47] <CoJaBo> With unprotected Flash, the situation is different; you can't come even close to atomicly writing to flash without a power backup
[21:47] <Matt> this is why when we build servers with hardware raid controllers, the raid controllers have a battery module
[21:48] <Matt> keeps the cache on the controller powered for 48-96 hours
[21:48] <CoJaBo> Because RAID breaks the atomicity; like flash, yeh, you need the controller battery-backed.
[21:48] <Matt> actually the recent ones use a supercap and a chunk of flash
[21:49] <Matt> CoJaBo: aye, but most systems do the majority of writes as async anyway
[21:49] <Matt> so the kernel doesn't flush those to disk immediately
[21:50] <CoJaBo> For file data; not for FS metadata, which is the important stuff.
[21:51] <Matt> I'd say both are kinda important :)
[21:51] <CoJaBo> Differing levels of important :P
[21:51] <Matt> and this is also why I like ZFS
[21:51] <CoJaBo> For the former, you lose only what was in cache at the time of the failure. The latter, you can lose the entire partition.
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[21:52] <Matt> a) I think you mean entire filesystem, and b) highly unlikely
[21:52] <CoJaBo> Does ZFS have data-journalling? I think ext does too actually, tho I've never seen it enabled..
[21:52] <Matt> most likely you'll loose a chunk of inodes
[21:52] <Matt> CoJaBo: not only data-journalling, but also checksumming
[21:53] <Matt> and it verifies checksums on read
[21:53] <CoJaBo> I think checksumming would probably have to be part of data-journalling anyway
[21:53] <CoJaBo> That isn't well-supported on linux last I checked D=
[21:54] <Matt> and if it finds a checksum error, it'll pull the block from the redundant copy (assuming you're not using individual disks), and repair the copy with the error
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[21:54] <Matt> CoJaBo: works perfectly under Linux
[21:54] <Matt> it's been production-ready for a while
[21:55] <CoJaBo> Last I checked was probably a while ago.. lol
[21:55] <Matt> you just have to pull it from a separate repo, stupid licensing incompatibilities (thanks Sun)
[21:56] <Matt> the self-healing stuff is pretty sweet tho
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[21:56] <Matt> I've got a demo I use to illustrate it
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[21:57] <Matt> take a system with four data disks setup as two mirrors in a zpool, create a bunch of files from /dev/urandom, md5sum them, verify the checksums match
[21:57] <Matt> then dd 100M of /dev/urandom onto one of the underlying disk devices
[21:57] <Matt> re-rum the md5 check, and everything passes, and zpool status shows a chunk of checksum errors on the appropriate disk
[21:58] <Matt> run a zpool scrub, at which point it fixes all of it, then re-run the md5 check, and it passes again
[21:58] <Matt> then I do the same thing on an md raid10 setup
[21:58] <Matt> after dd'ing random data to the underlying disk device, about 25% of the files fail their check
[21:59] <Matt> and that's on an xfs filesystem
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[21:59] <Matt> kernel doesn't log any errors
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[21:59] <Matt> force a check of the array, still no errors logged, but if you go look at the checksum error count under /sys, that's up into the thousands
[22:00] <Matt> and it's hit and miss whether xfs_repair can fix it
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[22:07] <Fooman2011> thanks for help
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[22:15] <xMopxShell> im working on a hotswap rack for my Pis :D
[22:15] <xMopxShell> http://i.imgur.com/FRK7WLG.jpg
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[22:19] <Trid> Hey, I have a problem with raspberry pi, can someone help me?
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[22:20] <jasabella> hi
[22:21] <jasabella> are there kernel modules for the armhf version of debian so i can access all the hardware of the rpi2?
[22:21] <jasabella> drivers
[22:25] <H__> xMopxShell: that looks cool ! What are you building that hot-swap-rpi rack for (what's the application) ?
[22:26] <H__> Trid: just write your question/problem. Maybe someone can and will help
[22:26] <xMopxShell> H__: just for fun :)
[22:27] <xMopxShell> I bought a 3d printer like last week, first major project is this
[22:27] <H__> that I see. looks good. what brand ?
[22:27] <Trid> Gotchya.
[22:27] <Sonny_Jim> jasabella: Define 'all the hardware'
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[22:28] <jasabella> gpio? video card?
[22:28] <jasabella> usual suspects :)
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[22:30] <Trid> When booting my Pi, I get an error that states: "Panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)
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[22:31] <Bilby> xMopxShell that's pretty cool. I wish there was a set of power headers on the end of the Pi to make the really feasible... well, that or PoE capability
[22:31] <xMopxShell> Bilby: supposedly you can provide power to the GPIO +5v and Ground pins
[22:32] <xMopxShell> those jumper wires in my sled im planning on just plugging them into that
[22:32] <xMopxShell> but yeah, PoE would be a hell of a lot more convenient
[22:32] <Bilby> Only thing to consider with that is you now have to provide your own under/overvolt and short protection. GPIO pins are after the polyfuse
[22:32] <xMopxShell> Yeha
[22:33] <xMopxShell> I’m going to have another layer under the base with a 8 port switch that the eth headers are connected right into. i got one that runs on 5v as well so I just need to make a supply with the right specs for the whole thing
[22:34] <Bilby> ah
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[22:35] <Bilby> hmm... since the ports are only 10/100 you have the outer two pairs of wires to work with; you could totally repurpose those for power. It would require modifying every Pi you use, though
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[22:35] <giacomo1989> Does someone uses rpi h264 encoder to encode security cameras mjpeg video to h264?
[22:35] <niston> Pi is not easy to mod for passive PoE
[22:35] <niston> because it uses a magjack
[22:36] <xMopxShell> Yeah, i was thinking about doing something with the extra ethernet pairs
[22:36] <niston> rather go with an external splitter
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[22:37] <xMopxShell> the switch i got is so tiny and adorable for an 8 port though
[22:37] <xMopxShell> Just over 4” wide
[22:37] <xMopxShell> goes perfectly with Pis :)
[22:38] <Bilby> Link?
[22:39] <Bilby> niston, what is magnetic? I see references looking online but it doesn't esplain
[22:39] <xMopxShell> Bilby: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0034CL3MA/
[22:39] <xMopxShell> good price too.
[22:39] <xMopxShell> Bilby: http://i.imgur.com/7alNFC7.jpg the guys
[22:39] <xMopxShell> guts *
[22:40] <Bilby> Ah, I'd seen that one before; specifically the gigabit version. Ended up with the monoprice one I think
[22:40] <Bilby> But they're so much smaller than what they used to be haha
[22:40] <xMopxShell> Hah well if there’s ever a gig raspi i know what switch to upgrade to then
[22:40] <xMopxShell> Ahh
[22:41] <Bilby> Oh no, I did end up with the tplink. I just haven't unboxed them yet XD waiting on some downtime for that business to swap out some of the more shifty network bits
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[22:43] <Bilby> If you ever need a decent 8port PoE switch I can't reccomend the engenius units enough
[22:44] <xMopxShell> Hmm I dont think ive ever worked with PoE
[22:44] <niston> Bilby its an assembly that integrates an RJ45 jack with ethernet magnetics (transformers, caps and resistors)
[22:44] <xMopxShell> Seems like a convenient idea though… run 1 wire instead of multiple
[22:44] <Bilby> niston ah so it does the work of regulating the ethernet signal before it gets to the next chip to process it?
[22:45] <niston> it *looks* like a normal RJ45 jack
[22:45] <niston> but it's not
[22:45] <niston> its pins do not correspond to the RJ45 socket pins at all
[22:45] <niston> the purpose of this stuff is to isolate the physical line
[22:46] <niston> so instead of coupling to the wire directly, it uses transformers
[22:46] <niston> so galvanically isolated
[22:46] <niston> up to 2kV or so (I dont know the spec offhand)
[22:46] <Bilby> that makes sense
[22:47] <jasabella> i want a netinst version of raspbian
[22:47] <niston> there are magjacks (magjack is a brand name) that have PoE pins
[22:47] <niston> but the one used on the Pi does not belong to this category
[22:47] <jasabella> bare minimum
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[22:48] <Sonny_Jim> jasabella: I think you'll find rasbian supports all the hardware 'out of the box'
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[22:53] <Bilby> You'd have to either repurpose pins or do something ahead of the jack, which would massively increase complexity. Shame
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[22:55] <Sonny_Jim> PoE is massively complicated
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[22:56] <Sonny_Jim> Or at least the commercial stuff can be. Homebrew PoE is pretty simple
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[22:57] <Bilby> It's become a lot more standardized in the last 5-7 years as wifi has exploded. Has to be, it's about the only way to get power to ceiling-mounted access points
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[22:59] <H__> i find that they all have their own specific power requirements. I have a PoE switch that cannot power two access points, each came with their own power supply for the cable, and these 2 cannot be intemixed even. and they're the same brand !
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[22:59] <Bilby> wow, that's really frustrating
[23:00] <SpeakerToMeat> Hey all.
[23:00] <Bilby> I've powered access points and phones off of various brands of PoE switches and not really had much difficulty
[23:00] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, before I try to find it on the source code... what does omxplayer use for audio out? alsa? pulse? or what?
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[23:00] <Bilby> I have seen some AP that come with their own little injector unit, those might not use the current PoE standard for current draw or other erasons maybe
[23:01] <CoJaBo> Lol, PoE "standards"
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[23:03] <SpeakerToMeat> I need to find ways to mute raspberry audio, comming from omxplayer... but amixer is not helping.... volume changes have no effect
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> does omxplayer not have a man page?
[23:04] <SpeakerToMeat> Sonny_Jim: yes...... it does....
[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> -o / --adev device audio out device : e.g. hdmi/local
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[23:05] <SpeakerToMeat> Sonny_Jim: and?
[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> Try setting that to a different device maybe?
[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> Or just turn down the volume with -?
[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> Or even on the command line with -vol
[23:06] <SpeakerToMeat> Can't turn down the volume on omxplayer. I need mute. And the man doesn't state which library is used.
[23:06] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm checking the source, but I wanted to know if anybody here knew, before I took a long investigation detour
[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> Not even with -vol?
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[23:07] <SpeakerToMeat> }Not even with -vol no
[23:07] <SpeakerToMeat> I need silent to sound, and sound to silent in less than 200ms
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[23:08] <SpeakerToMeat> It seems omxplayer is using volume control in the omx library.
[23:08] <SpeakerToMeat> so it must be hardware direct. sigh
[23:08] <Sonny_Jim> Tried with negative numbers?
[23:08] <SpeakerToMeat> And there's no mute.... but there's on the library, so I'll probably have to add the mute function code to omxplayer and recompile
[23:09] <Sonny_Jim> As 0 is full volume
[23:09] <SpeakerToMeat> Sonny_Jim: This must be during play not launch so no arguments can be used saddly
[23:09] <Sonny_Jim> Why must be?
[23:09] <SpeakerToMeat> Because that's how the application will be used
[23:09] <Sonny_Jim> Then alter how the application is called?
[23:10] <Sonny_Jim> Move the omxplayer bin to somewhere else and make a wrapper
[23:10] <Sonny_Jim> #!/bin/sh
[23:10] <SpeakerToMeat> No you see. it needs to be muted and unmuted WHILE the application is running
[23:10] <Sonny_Jim> Why?
[23:11] <SpeakerToMeat> Because, that's how it needs to be used in this use case
[23:11] <SpeakerToMeat> because the use case requires volume to be muted and unmuted while video is playing
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[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> Then just modify the audio track in the video before hand?
[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> or just mute whatever sound system it's plugged into?
[23:13] <SpeakerToMeat> Both would be 20x more work than adding a mute function to omxplayer
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[23:14] <SpeakerToMeat> So I'll add the mute option to omxplayer
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[23:14] <Sonny_Jim> Whatever man, just giving you some options
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[23:15] * Sonny_Jim wonders in what universe pressing the mute button on a remote is 20x more complicated than recompiling omxplayer
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[23:17] <SpeakerToMeat> Sonny_Jim: In a universe where you have 5 videos of different length running on a 5x count loop of a master video with 40 mute and unmute events during this loop. which is around 20 different mute points for each of the other 4 videos, forcing me to generate manual loops of the videos and applying more than a 100 mutes selectively and precisely.
[23:17] <SpeakerToMeat> Or, having to buy and implement hardware for phisically turning on and off 5 sets of speakers that have no form of external control.
[23:17] <SpeakerToMeat> In that world.
[23:17] <Sonny_Jim> Then why not just edit the videos?
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[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> aren't you going to have to manually press mute 100 times anyway?
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[23:18] <SpeakerToMeat> Because that would be weeks of work, at the very least
[23:18] <SpeakerToMeat> No I'm not
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> You know what, I don't care
[23:18] <Sonny_Jim> You seem to know what you need to do
[23:19] <abnormal> I know you don't
[23:19] <SpeakerToMeat> I do.
[23:19] <SpeakerToMeat> I need to mute and unmute omxplayer video during play
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[23:20] <Froolap> i hope you have a lot of remotes. you are going to wear out your mute button.
[23:20] <SpeakerToMeat> There is no remote
[23:20] <SpeakerToMeat> And no finger
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[23:29] <SpeakerToMeat> Hmmmm I can mute via dbus. it's slow to respond but I'll see if I can find why
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[23:36] <Bilby> those are some seriously specific requirements. sounds complex.
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[23:39] <Sonny_Jim> It's annoying when you try and help someone and they are cagey with the details of what they are trying to do :\
[23:40] <Bilby> It's probably pornographic. Most things are, when it comes down to it
[23:40] <Bilby> Flipping relays to turn the speakers off and on would be pretty simple, but there might be a lot of transient noise
[23:40] <Sonny_Jim> It is weird that omxplayer doesn't have a mute function though
[23:41] <Sonny_Jim> TBH if it's for an installation, I would just splice a switch into the audio cable
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[23:44] <DoctorD90> guys, do you now any I2C board for RC controlling?
[23:45] <Bilby> DoctorD90, https://www.piborg.org/ might be a good fit
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[23:48] <DoctorD90> Bilby, thx for good link :) but it doesnt show board to send command trougth RC controller
[23:49] <Bilby> you want to control a vehicle through an RC control unit and control the vehicle with the pi?
[23:51] <DoctorD90> eheh...yep xD
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[23:52] <Bilby> That's a little more compelx... any reason why?
[23:53] <dodokuse> mmm, compelxity...
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[23:54] <DoctorD90> i dont know c (to use arduino), so i need to use rpi. so i have find out all stuff/board to create a quad copter. The hole is just in controlling....i have thougth to bluetooht/ps3 pad/wifi hotspot...but people here explain me that range of controling is very little....so im looking for a board to recevie data trougth RC :)
[23:54] <dodokuse> . . .
[23:55] <dodokuse> sounds dangerous
[23:55] <DoctorD90> why? 0o
[23:55] <dodokuse> Ò.ó
[23:56] <dodokuse> people tell me riding a motorcycle is dangerous too.
[23:56] <ozzzy> yep... it is
[23:56] <dodokuse> . . .
[23:56] <dodokuse> so is driving
[23:56] <ozzzy> yep
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[23:56] <DoctorD90> ah lol
[23:56] <DoctorD90> nono....i want just to create it and test
[23:57] <dodokuse> and crash
[23:57] <Bilby> You could probably do something more easily using wifi
[23:57] * ozzzy let his class D and class M ratings lapse
[23:57] <dodokuse> ozzzy: what state? :D
[23:57] <DoctorD90> in my country, to use them we need a license to leave them to fly :) but to start, i would like to create it ^_^
[23:57] <ozzzy> Ontario
[23:57] <dodokuse> oh.
[23:57] <DoctorD90> dodokuse, xD dont be so evil xD i hope it will not crash xD
[23:57] <DoctorD90> italy
[23:57] <dodokuse> derp
[23:58] <DoctorD90> hi ozzzy :D
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[23:59] <ozzzy> howdy

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