#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2015-04-24

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[0:00] <mun> Bilby re your lack of gpio pins http://esp8266.ru/esp8266-esp-01-hacked/
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[0:00] <mun> Not that I can read Russian, but I think that's what it's about
[0:00] <[Saint]> I guess I need to insert more emojis/smilies into my text as apparently it isn't abundantly clear to people when I'm being scornful or not.
[0:00] <Bilby> [Saint] i just assumed he'd already done the basic troubleshooting
[0:00] <Bilby> lol
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[0:00] <[Saint]> Well, y'know what they say about assumption, no?
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[0:01] <[Saint]> blah blah, something about asses.
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[0:01] <[Saint]> ;)
[0:01] <[Saint]> ^ I remembered that time
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[0:05] <AlsoBilby> hmm
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[0:05] <AlsoBilby> last thing i saw was this: <[Saint]> ^ I remembered that time
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[0:05] <AlsoBilby> and then i disconnected. Hacking!
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[0:06] <[Saint]> Your connection hit a suck.
[0:06] <[Saint]> You fell off the net for 250+ seconds
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[0:08] <Bilby> Wow, weird
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[0:10] <Bilby> I gennerally try not to make a donkey out of anyone, including myself, but I tend to respond as if other people are acting logically (for some reason...)
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[0:11] <Bilby> IE before going online and posting on a forum / IRC chat, you've done some searching and run through basic steps
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[0:12] <Bilby> of course, most forum posts and comments i see seem to indicate that is not the case :|
[0:12] <Rex_> hi
[0:12] <Rex_> i cant gdb intel syntax
[0:12] <Rex_> is it a problem?
[0:13] <Bilby> I don't know what you're saying.
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[0:13] <Rex_> in gdb.. Change arm to intel syntax
[0:13] <Rex_> set dis intel
[0:13] <Rex_> not infect anything
[0:13] <Bilby> ah, sorry, beyond me
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[0:16] <Bilby> are you trying to change from arm to intel syntax on an arm platform?
[0:16] <Rex_> yes
[0:16] <Rex_> would it work?
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[0:17] <nixnerd> What's the easiest way to SSH into a raspberry pi?
[0:18] <pksato> easiest?
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[0:18] <Bilby> Rex_ i'm honestly not sure and a minute of googling has left me with more questions than answers haha
[0:18] <Bilby> nixnerd what part are you stuck on?
[0:18] <Rex_> you instal ssh
[0:18] <pksato> open a terminal and hit ssh pis.ip ?
[0:18] <Rex_> install*
[0:18] <Rex_> that's what i did
[0:18] <Bilby> you refine silicone and start preparing a CPU die in a clean room
[0:20] <ozzzy> actually you grow the silicon crystal
[0:21] <Bilby> back in my day we use liquid silicon, carefully poured into hand-crafted dies! *shakes fist from rocking chair*
[0:21] <Bilby> nixnerd, what operating system are you trying to SSH from?
[0:21] * ozzzy yells 'get offa my internet'
[0:21] <nixnerd> ls
[0:22] <nixnerd> sorry
[0:22] <nixnerd> Bilby: Linux
[0:22] <nixnerd> Arch specifically.
[0:22] <brennen> ssh from the command line is definitely the easiest thing to do in that scenario.
[0:23] <brennen> but if you wanted to suffer, you could install putty or something. :)
[0:23] <nixnerd> Naw... screw that. I'm wondering though... where am I SSHing TO?
[0:23] <Bilby> if your router is good at picking up hostnames, you could try root@raspberrypi
[0:24] <nixnerd> My router sucks ass.
[0:24] <nixnerd> Just being honest.
[0:24] <Bilby> on windows i use Advanced IP scanner or Angry IP, on OSX I use Angry IP to find stuff on my network
[0:24] <Rex_> you just
[0:24] <Bilby> you could also log on to your router and look at your host list
[0:24] <nixnerd> I guess I could use nmap
[0:24] <Bilby> or start at the beginning of your DHCP range and go from there :P
[0:24] <Rex_> install ssh on raspberry pi and also config u used dhcp... and also go to your web panel router
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[0:24] <Rex_> and check raspberrypi there
[0:25] <Rex_> go to ur ssh connect..
[0:25] <nixnerd> Wait... can I connect it straight to my computer via eth?
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[0:26] <Rex_> if you mean connect with cable yes
[0:26] <Rex_> but you need same subnet i think
[0:27] <brennen> nixnerd: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Pi-Finder
[0:27] <brennen> just wraps nmap, though. :)
[0:27] <nixnerd> brennen: I like the looks of this.
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[0:27] <brennen> it probably works - if you try it and it doesn't, let us know...
[0:28] <Rex_> yes let us know
[0:28] <Bilby> and if you're running a GUI Angry IP is legitimately handy software
[0:28] <[Saint]> Rex_: no need - default package
[0:28] <Rex_> what do you mean?
[0:28] <[Saint]> re: install ssh
[0:28] <Bilby> http://angryip.org/
[0:28] <Bilby> it and its mobile brethren are fun to take to new clients to see just how porous their network is :D
[0:28] <[Saint]> Rex_: I'm referring to:
[0:28] <nixnerd> Will do. Thanks!
[0:28] <[Saint]> "[10:24:53] <Rex_> install ssh on raspberry pi and also config u used dhcp... and also go to your web panel router"
[0:29] <Rex_> u dont need angry ip
[0:29] <[Saint]> And saying there's no need to do so, 'cos, default package.
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[0:29] <Rex_> intel syntax in gdb not work in raspberry pi
[0:29] <[Saint]> ssh should absolutely, and does, work straight out of the box.
[0:29] <Bilby> (y)
[0:30] <Bilby> enabled by default on almost every Pi distro i've seen
[0:30] <Bilby> ... also i use MS Lync too much apparently
[0:30] <[Saint]> Poor bugger.
[0:30] <Bilby> Giant financial company, I'm just happy I have IM at all
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[0:44] <mebus> chroot from raspberry to raspberry :-P
[0:44] <mebus> but changed my root pw now ;-)
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[2:01] <muman613> Hey Now... Got a quick question... Anyone familiar with emulating a Raspberry Pi 2 on Qemu in Linux?
[2:02] <muman613> I have found instructions on emulating a rasberry pi (not 2) but that won't work because Raspi 2 has a different Arm Cpu
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[2:02] <muman613> Hey Now... Got a quick question... Anyone familiar with emulating a Raspberry Pi 2 on Qemu in Linux?
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[2:03] <muman613> Wow, a lot of activity here? Did I come at the wrong time?
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[2:04] <muman613> Could anyone refer me to a forum where I could ask this question?
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[2:05] <pksato> patience...
[2:05] <muman613> Does anyone answer questions here or do we all just hang out?
[2:06] <cehteh> just be patient
[2:06] <puzzola> muman613: Idle for 5-10 minutes, it can take awhile for messages to get to everyone
[2:06] <muman613> thx
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[2:06] <muman613> I just want to know about any experience getting a raspi 2 emulation using Qemu
[2:07] * cehteh never tried to emulate any pi ..
[2:07] <cehteh> but reading the manpage should reveal if qemu can emulate that particular cpu
[2:07] <muman613> I think it would be great. I have my rapi at home, but I would like to run an emulated raspian so I can do some development from my office
[2:08] <cehteh> why not ssh to home
[2:08] <muman613> I have thought about that too
[2:08] <muman613> I have ssh port open on my router to my main i7 machine
[2:08] <muman613> Then I could ssh to the raspi from there
[2:08] <pksato> qemu not emulate a raspberru pi, only cpu and some basic hw.
[2:09] <hybr1d8> Firstly - be willing to wait more than 1 minute before complaining about people not replying - remember no-one is paid to answer you.
[2:09] <hybr1d8> Secondly - there is no specific support for RPi2 in qemu at this time
[2:09] <muman613> Yes, that is what I am seeing. I have seen some instructions on running raspian for Raspberry using Qemu
[2:09] <muman613> But that is using the arm1176 cpu
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[2:10] <cehteh> you will have hard times to emulate the gpu
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[2:10] <muman613> versitilepb is the machine tag
[2:10] <muman613> Ok... so plan b sounds like the plan... (ssh to home machine)
[2:11] <muman613> Thanks... Just spent about 20 minutes googling and I thought it may be better to stick my nose into the IRC chat
[2:11] <pksato> patience...
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[2:11] <muman613> Gotta say I love my Raspi 2... 1st time playing with these little monsters
[2:12] <plugwash> It should be possible to use a debian armmp kernel with qemu in versatile express mode to get an emulated armv7 enrivonment
[2:12] <pksato> most time, guy that have a answer not on line.
[2:12] <muman613> I work at a company which develops SoC for video decoding application
[2:12] <muman613> I'm at Sigma Designs
[2:14] <puzzola> Digging around, it looks like setting up qemu to emulate a cortex-a7 is possible.
[2:14] <muman613> How about any experience cross-compiling from Ubuntu Linux?
[2:14] <muman613> puzzola... Yes it does emulate the CPU..
[2:14] <muman613> I found that.
[2:15] <muman613> I have been able to compile 'hello world' for arm using cross-compiler
[2:17] <muman613> I believe that we need to use eabihf (hard float) when compiling for raspi2
[2:18] <muman613> Anyway, I've gotta get back to work here... This raspi project is not on my high priority task list at the moment.
[2:18] <muman613> Good to talk with everyone, thanks for the ideas and support.
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[3:45] <Kolbe15> Hello I am a RPi expert
[3:45] <abnormal> congrats
[3:46] <methuzla> again?
[3:46] <abnormal> sure, why not?
[3:46] <steve_rox> what makes someone a expert i wonder
[3:46] <eggbeater> Kolbe15: Are you?? Awesome!
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[3:54] <McBride36> does owning a pi for a year or so make me an effort
[3:54] <McBride36> expert*
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[3:55] <plugwash> probablly not
[3:56] <McBride36> lets pretend it does
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[3:59] <plugwash> ok lets see how much of an expert you are
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[4:00] <plugwash> what is the difference between a lan9512 and a lan9514 and which models of Pi were they used on?
[4:01] <abnormal> that's easy, just google it
[4:01] <McBride36> well you see, 9512 and 9514 are different numbers
[4:01] <abnormal> lol
[4:01] <McBride36> and they were used on the raspberry pi
[4:01] <McBride36> but not the banana pi
[4:01] <McBride36> *probably
[4:02] <plugwash> abnormal, I would consider googling it to be cheating......
[4:02] * plugwash notes that McBride36 hasn't really answered the questin properly
[4:03] * McBride36 doesn't know the answer
[4:03] <abnormal> lol
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[4:04] * abnormal never knew the question existed
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[4:05] <pksato> I am waiting for rpi2, that buy on tuesday.
[4:06] <McBride36> i'm trying to justify the purchase of a rpi2
[4:06] <pksato> :)
[4:07] <abnormal> go to www.newark.com and buy one
[4:08] <McBride36> i mean, i have a pi B currently, all it's doing is hosting irc bots. I want to make a vivarium though
[4:08] <Kolbe15> is there a libre office channel
[4:09] <pksato> My rpi1 B is on original box on wardrobe
[4:09] <abnormal> do a search in the channel's main server
[4:09] <McBride36> Kolbe15, #libreoffice
[4:09] <McBride36> google is amazeballs
[4:10] <Kolbe15> already did that but thks
[4:10] <McBride36> pksato, what do you mean original box on wardrobe
[4:10] <abnormal> well my pi B came in a pi B+ box, lol
[4:10] <pksato> a paper box that rpi comes.
[4:11] <abnormal> yup
[4:11] <abnormal> from Ebay, their reseller...
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[4:12] <abnormal> and the reseller's address was in Cali from an apt room.
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[4:12] <McBride36> bought some arduino clones in that fashion
[4:13] <pksato> and wardrobe is furniture what I keep clothes and other things. :)
[4:13] <abnormal> in the website showed model A, got a model B 256mb
[4:13] <McBride36> i got the model B like 5 days before the B+ came out
[4:14] <abnormal> well not much difference other than the USB ports
[4:16] <abnormal> you want more USB ports, just get a powered USB hub.
[4:16] <pksato> All on my country are very expensive, I only buy rpi2 due holliday discount. from local farnell.
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[4:16] <abnormal> ahh I see.. ok, sorry
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[4:17] <Mr_Sheesh> Guy's asking "anyone know if a Raspberry PI 2 can boot off a 128gig sdxc card?" so I'll ask, I've just used 4 & 8 gig cards so far. (& think it'd be a uSD card for an RPi 2? Picky, I know.)
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[4:18] <plugwash> AIUI there is no real difference at the low level between SDHC and SDXC so the Pi should be fine. I've certainly heard of success with 64GB cards, not sure if i've seen any reports with 128G ones
[4:19] <plugwash> note that SDXC cards are sold formatted with exfat so if you want to use noobs you will have to reformat to fat32
[4:19] <abnormal> 16gb ones are plenty enuf and don't need no more than that
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[4:23] <abnormal> so if you like storing a lot of data, it's best to use a hard drive as a back up unit while the SD card does the pi's boot and run purpose.
[4:24] <McBride36> but make sure you power the hard drive from somethign other than the pi
[4:24] <crazy_cletus> that is what i want to do with my pi
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[4:25] <abnormal> yes, that's what the powered USB hub is for...
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[4:26] <crazy_cletus> well all of my external hard drives have there own seperate power supply
[4:27] <McBride36> problem solved
[4:27] <McBride36> good job guys, we did it
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[4:33] <xMopxShell> its perfect :') http://i.imgur.com/V32ix77.jpg
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[4:35] <plugwash> xMopxShell, what voltage have you got going in to that linear regulator?
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[4:35] <xMopxShell> plugwash: 12 in. 5 out to the Pi
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[4:36] * plugwash bets that the regulator will overheat and shut down if you heavilly load the pi and/or leave it running for too long
[4:37] <xMopxShell> it may. the experiment continues :)
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[4:39] <AndrewMock> How hard would it be to get Android loaded onto a Pi2? (Why hasn't it been done yet?)
[4:40] <jer> given that android doesn't run very well on the pi1 boards yet even... =]
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[4:41] <jer> perhaps you can help out with porting
[4:41] <AndrewMock> I'm a developer (newish). What is the bottleneck?
[4:41] <jer> no idea, i'm not an android fan
[4:41] <AndrewMock> orly
[4:41] <AndrewMock> why
[4:42] <jer> because i'm a mobile developer, and the android apis make me want to murder someone =]
[4:42] <jer> the ios tools make me want to murder someone, but at least the apis are mostly sane
[4:42] <jer> heh
[4:42] <jer> but i kid; i just have no interest in porting android to rpi
[4:42] <xMopxShell> plugwash: This regulator is rated for up to 125C. Ive got a temperature probe so lets see what happens :D
[4:43] <jer> my interest in rpi aside from a neat little prototyping platform, is mostly OS kernel development and bare metal dev.
[4:43] <ali1234> according to my calculation and the datasheet a lm7805 with no heat sink regulating 12V to 5V @ 2A will be 910 degrees hotter than the ambient air temperature...
[4:43] <xMopxShell> its not a lm7805
[4:44] <ali1234> good. what is it?
[4:44] <xMopxShell> ali1234: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/0/497-3436-5-ND
[4:44] <plugwash> not going to make much difference, one linear reg in a given package running without a heatsink is going to get about as hot as another in the same package
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[4:45] <jer> generally anything that comes with a mount for a heatsink built in, is really TELLING you that you best use one...OR ELSE! =]
[4:46] <xMopxShell> Hah yeah. I have some miniature stick-on ones
[4:46] <xMopxShell> seems to have leveled at 79C
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[4:47] <xMopxShell> oh I must have breathed on it
[4:48] <ali1234> is the pi even turned on??
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[4:48] <xMopxShell> yeah
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[4:49] <abnormal> didn't you see the leds on in the image?
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[4:49] <ali1234> is the probe making good contact?
[4:49] <xMopxShell> I put a clip on it
[4:49] <abnormal> but you do need a heat sink on that regulator... no questions about it...
[4:49] <ali1234> that's going to act as a heat sink...
[4:50] <xMopxShell> yeah, good call
[4:50] <xMopxShell> even in the 80s is higher than my preferance
[4:50] <xMopxShell> i suppose i could find a small fan too.. Wouldn;t be bad for the PIs either :)
[4:50] <abnormal> surprised it didn't come with the unit...
[4:51] <ali1234> also note that the junction temperature is going to be higher than the outside of the case
[4:52] <xMopxShell> yeah. No load on the pi yet, just idle
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[4:53] <ali1234> youre going to need a heatsink almost as big as the pi if you try to put 2A through that
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[4:55] <xMopxShell> pi doesnt draw nearly that much
[4:55] <xMopxShell> the model b at least
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[4:55] <xMopxShell> i didnt measure more than 300ma
[4:56] <ali1234> at 300mA it will be 105 degrees hotter than ambient
[4:57] <xMopxShell> w/o a heatsink?
[4:57] <ali1234> yeah
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[4:57] <ali1234> 300mA * 7V you are throwing away = 2.1W
[4:57] <xMopxShell> well the idea was there would be multiple pis connected
[4:58] <xMopxShell> but thats startng to seem like a bad idea :)
[4:58] <ali1234> TO-220 case has 50 C/W resistance according to the datasheet
[4:58] <ali1234> 2.1*50 = 105
[5:00] <ali1234> http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/clip-on-to220-heatsink-ku50e <- this would give you a 63 degree rise @ 300mA
[5:00] <ali1234> either lower the supply voltage or use a switchmode power supply, basically
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[5:05] <xMopxShell> word, thanks
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[5:11] <r3> loads on my Pis:PORT 1 "Port 1": ENABLED Current: 0.24A Power: 1.2W
[5:11] <r3> PORT 2 "Port 2": ENABLED Current: 0.26A Power: 1.3W
[5:11] <r3> PORT 3 "Port 3": ENABLED Current: 0.22A Power: 1.1W
[5:11] <r3> PORT 4 "Port 4": ENABLED Current: 0.26A Power: 1.3W
[5:11] <r3> PORT 5 "Port 5": ENABLED Current: 0.25A Power: 1.2W
[5:11] <r3> PORT 6 "Port 6": ENABLED Current: 0.22A Power: 1.1W
[5:11] <r3> eep
[5:12] <r3> sorry about that - more than I had intended to paste
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[5:13] <r3> those are idle, a couple of them have things on the 5V pin
[5:13] <r3> no video, just network
[5:13] <r3> (without network, it drops to 0.18A)
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[5:14] <r3> if you want a great power distribution solution, get one of these and support hardware hackers: https://www.tindie.com/products/nigelvh/dc-power-distribution-unit/
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[5:19] <acidjazz> stick it in the port
[5:19] <acidjazz> r3: howd you get that sweet load status
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[5:36] <tawr> r3, how do you measure current per pin?
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[6:30] <r3> see the PDU from Tindie
[6:30] <r3> and it is current per Pi
[6:33] <r3> what is the maximum raspberry pi 2 input voltage on a GPIO pin?
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[6:36] <r3> er, model b+ I guess
[6:36] <r3> Raspberry Pi 2 (RPi2) Quad-Core 900 MHz 1GB RAM
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[6:50] <Xark> Low, like 5mA or somesuch...
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[6:52] <Encapsulation> https://ideone.com/7gYgWb why doesn't this work?
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[6:54] <tawr> Encapsulation, did you include the proper library?
[6:55] <Encapsulation> yes
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[6:59] <r3> this: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[6:59] <r3> says: "GPIO voltage levels are 3.3 V and are not 5 V tolerant. There is no over-voltage protection on the board"
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[7:04] <Mr_Sheesh> Oh dang, I'd thought there'd be OV protection, ACK. OK you would want 3.3V Zeners on there then or sometrhing
[7:04] <sepia> r3: yes?
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[7:05] <r3> sepia?
[7:06] <sepia> r3: sorry, jumped into the wrong channel and got confused.
[7:06] <r3> Mr_Sheesh: you would think that 3.3V number would be in large red letters on the package or something, not buried under two layers of documentation
[7:07] <sepia> good rule of thumb is to assume 3.3v tolerant unless otherwise stated
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[7:32] <Mr_Sheesh> I'd assumed ESD protection on there just because I'd do that LOL
[7:33] <r3> well the good news is that the signal is so very quick that I didn't harm anything
[7:35] <Mr_Sheesh> Good :)
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[7:52] <torbit> howdy folks
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[7:59] <r3> hiya torbit
[7:59] <torbit> hey r3
[7:59] <torbit> quick question
[8:00] <r3> I will try to help
[8:00] <knightwise> hey torbid
[8:00] <torbit> I am trying to setup a pi here but I did my own base compute board .
[8:01] <knightwise> hey r3
[8:01] <torbit> it boots up perfectly
[8:01] <r3> hi knightwise
[8:01] <torbit> but I need to get the network up
[8:01] <r3> what do you mean when you say "base compute board"
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[8:02] <torbit> and because of the elements I used on the pcb I need to use ethtools
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[8:02] <torbit> I am using a comput module
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[8:03] <torbit> and my own compute board to support it
[8:04] <torbit> but some mirrors seem to install it and give me a segmentation fault
[8:04] <r3> ok, trying to follow, please continue
[8:04] <r3> what OS?
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[8:06] <torbit> raspbian
[8:06] <torbit> so I am using ethtool because I need to set it to full duplex 100mbs
[8:08] <r3> it won't auto sense that?
[8:09] <r3> and segfaults with hardware lead me to think of IRQ conflicts and memory addresses getting stepped on
[8:09] <torbit> so I get segmentation faults when I download from the Debian source
[8:10] <torbit> that is when I run what I downloaded from there
[8:10] <r3> hrm
[8:10] <r3> just download or install
[8:11] <r3> oh, no network, so install, right?
[8:11] <r3> so, just ethtools is wonky
[8:12] <r3> why 100Mb full force? won't it auto sense the right connection?
[8:13] <torbit> what do you think r3
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[8:13] <torbit> it would if the Ethernet adapter has food transistors
[8:14] <torbit> but I took a shortcut to make it cheaper to produce
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[8:14] <torbit> so I need to make the software force connections on that
[8:15] <torbit> yeah I am thinking it is wonky
[8:16] <torbit> how would I trace down the memory
[8:16] <torbit> to see where it could be
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[8:31] <torbit> hey r3 are you there
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[8:34] <r3> oh had to run off
[8:35] <r3> hrm, there you got me, torbit
[8:35] <r3> is there something other than ethtools you could use?
[8:35] <torbit> r3: to be honest I don't know
[8:36] <torbit> would you have something in mind
[8:36] <r3> With a recent enough kernel, you could have a look at
[8:36] <r3> ... /sys/class/net/eth0/speed
[8:36] <r3> ... /sys/class/net/eth0/duplex
[8:37] <torbit> oh
[8:37] <r3> you may have to compile ethtool with some different build options or memory address space
[8:37] <torbit> let me try that
[8:37] <r3> (those just output the status)
[8:37] <torbit> then I will let you know how it goes
[8:37] <torbit> thanks
[8:38] <r3> the kernel API to retrieve them is called "ethtool" (SIOCETHTOOL ioctl), so I doubt there's any other utility to get it. You should be able to compile ethtool easily though, there's no special dependency required.
[8:39] <r3> iw is a new nl80211 based CLI configuration utility for wireless devices. It supports almost all new drivers that have been added to the kernel recently. It allows you to configure and show information about wireless networking. In the future iw will become the canonical command line tool for wireless configuration and iwconfig/wireless-tools will no longer be required.
[8:39] <r3> and ceni is a Network manager used by Linux distributions Sidux and Aptosid, but can be installed on debian based distributions, and compiled from source on just about any.
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[8:40] <r3> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw for iw and http://manual.aptosid.com/en/inet-ceni-en.htm for ceni
[8:40] <r3> maybe try those?
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[8:56] <torbit> thanks
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[10:02] <unclekiwi> hey sdcards failing on pi's after 6months seems to be a thing
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[10:02] <r3> My voltage divider works great - tested it with pure 5Vdc (4.988) in and got 3.088 Vdc out! :)
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[10:03] <unclekiwi> im wanting to get really good up time - i have moved all except boot from the sdcard
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[10:04] <r3> what's the point of uptime if it doesn't DO anything? :)
[10:04] <unclekiwi> its doing usefull stuff
[10:04] <unclekiwi> ??
[10:04] <r3> oh I thought you moved EVERYTHING but boot off it
[10:05] <unclekiwi> sorry i moved them to a usb HDD
[10:05] <unclekiwi> im just wondering how i might be able to have availability
[10:05] <unclekiwi> ie maybe configure raid
[10:06] <unclekiwi> mdadm
[10:07] <unclekiwi> im just trying to figure out the most cost effective way to keep it running and the data in tact
[10:07] <unclekiwi> seems like the sdcard is the weak link
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[10:09] <unclekiwi> i wonder if the boot loader can attempt to boot from one device and if it fails or is not available can it try another
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[10:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> my orginal pi is still running onthe SDcad I got then and it does stuff 24x7
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[10:34] <nid0> yeah I don't see SD cards as being a major issue. I still have an original pi that's about 3 years old now that runs 24x7 from its SD card
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[10:41] <unclekiwi> uptime
[10:42] <unclekiwi> wow you guys have done well
[10:42] <unclekiwi> maybe the sdcards im using are bad
[10:43] <unclekiwi> im running pidora
[10:44] <unclekiwi> nid0 if you reboot it you might find it wont work ?
[10:44] <nid0> why would I? the sd card is fine, and it last rebooted a few weeks ago following a power cut
[10:44] <nid0> sd cards last ages unless you use awful ones]
[10:45] <unclekiwi> ok fine, what ones are you using
[10:45] <unclekiwi> and do you have much io on the pi
[10:45] <unclekiwi> im running asterisk on mine
[10:45] <nid0> primarily 8gb sandisk's
[10:46] <unclekiwi> ok thanks i'll get me some sandisk's
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[10:46] <unclekiwi> i have had two fail after about 6 months
[10:46] <nid0> io to the sd isnt massive, but again unless your sd card is awful it should last years even if the pi is writing to the card solidly 24x7
[10:46] <unclekiwi> and i googled it and it seems to be a bit of the thing
[10:47] <nid0> that said, if your application is critical i'd boot via iscsi from a redundant disk array
[10:47] <unclekiwi> yeah true i have thought of that
[10:48] <unclekiwi> i think im going to use an external usb disk
[10:48] <unclekiwi> and just run backups
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[10:48] <unclekiwi> and if i get a failed disk i'll just restore and swap in a new disk
[10:49] <unclekiwi> they are amazing value devices its just my experience so far with the sdcards
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[10:50] <unclekiwi> im using apacer 16GB
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[10:50] <unclekiwi> i thought i would get a larger one so that the wear leveling would have more to work with
[10:51] <unclekiwi> but it dont seem to make much diff
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> For SD, indications are that - especially for cheap ones - the wear leveling happens over sectors, not the device.
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> That is - it will wear level over say 1000 blocks.
[10:59] <SpeedEvil> (of several hundred K each)
[10:59] <SpeedEvil> these are treated completely independantly - for resource purposes - there is a very tiny 32 bit CPU in there managing stuff with not much RAM to hold block tables.
[11:00] <unclekiwi> wow
[11:00] <unclekiwi> cool
[11:00] <unclekiwi> do you think ceap wear leveling is the reason we see problems of curruption
[11:00] <unclekiwi> *cheap
[11:03] <unclekiwi> im wondering if the sdcards that i have that have failed, should I format and try them again
[11:04] <unclekiwi> maybe they are not faulty at all - maybe they just get shutdown in a way that corrupts them
[11:05] <unclekiwi> SpeedEvil have you seen the corruption of sdcards im talking about ?
[11:05] <unclekiwi> and do you think its just a bad brand of sd card im using
[11:06] <unclekiwi> i dont think the disk is getting hit too hard
[11:06] <unclekiwi> its just running asterisk '
[11:06] <unclekiwi> maybe its writing and reading audio files ie IVR and voicemail
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[11:09] <unclekiwi> i just followed this and have moved my all except /boot from the sdcard - its a bit faster too for io
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[11:09] <unclekiwi> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44177
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[11:28] <unclekiwi> ok whats the easiest way for me to see if the sdcard is worn out
[11:28] <unclekiwi> or faulty
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[11:29] <unclekiwi> in the old days we would do a surface scan
[11:29] <unclekiwi> of a hDD
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[11:43] <shiftplusone> unclekiwi: badblocks might help, but with sd cards, it's a little tricky
[11:44] <unclekiwi> yeah i realised my quiestion was a bit silly
[11:44] <unclekiwi> but their must be some way to determin if they are naffed
[11:44] <shiftplusone> since they're storing a statistical approximation of your data rather than your actual data, so if you write to the same block... you probably didn't write to the same physical block.
[11:44] <shiftplusone> Do you have a reason to suspect it's naffed?
[11:44] <ShorTie> there is a flash drive tester for windows
[11:45] <unclekiwi> i have had two pi's die that are 24/7 systems
[11:45] <unclekiwi> and its the root partition each time
[11:45] <unclekiwi> corrupted
[11:46] <shiftplusone> it could be that the card itself is fine
[11:46] <shiftplusone> but not compatible
[11:46] <shiftplusone> is it some kind of fancy high speed card?
[11:46] <unclekiwi> its speed 10
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[11:46] <ShorTie> http://download.cnet.com/USB-Flash-Drive-Tester/3000-2086_4-10810585.html
[11:46] <unclekiwi> thanks shortie
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[11:46] <ShorTie> No Problem
[11:47] <shiftplusone> this issue might be interesting to read through https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/397
[11:47] <unclekiwi> its an apacer 16 GB SDHC
[11:47] <unclekiwi> yeah it works for like 140 days
[11:47] <unclekiwi> aprox
[11:47] <unclekiwi> thanks shiftplusone i'll have a read
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[11:48] <shiftplusone> 140 days makes it sound like something else though
[11:48] <unclekiwi> i have a ups on them
[11:49] <unclekiwi> they always get shutdown properly
[11:49] <ShorTie> have you checked your voltages ??
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[11:50] <unclekiwi> nah but its happening on two different suppys i have a 5 volt 1 amp and a 5 volt 3.1 amp and
[11:51] <ShorTie> same micro-usb cable, is there any thing printed on it ??
[11:51] <unclekiwi> on one i was using an adroid charger
[11:52] <unclekiwi> and the other i am using something diff
[11:52] <unclekiwi> i'll look whats printed on it
[11:53] <ShorTie> charging cables are not the best
[11:53] <unclekiwi> therre is lots of stuff printed on the cable
[11:53] <unclekiwi> is there anything i should be looking for
[11:54] <unclekiwi> the cable cost me $3
[11:54] <unclekiwi> its 2M
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[11:54] <unclekiwi> says USB2 cable
[11:54] <taza> $2m for a cable?
[11:55] <unclekiwi> RoHS compliant
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[11:55] <taza> Yeah well that says nothing
[11:55] <taza> It's entirely possible the cable's not good enough for the RPi
[11:55] <taza> What's good enough for charging a battery isn't always for RPi, because the RPi is touchy about the amount of power.
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[11:56] <unclekiwi> how many amps should be required
[11:56] <ShorTie> looking for some thing like 2-28awg/2-24awg
[11:56] <unclekiwi> this cabe is not a charging cable
[11:56] <taza> 2a.
[11:58] <unclekiwi> http://www.cdlnz.com/index.html?do=viewproduct&p=USB200&code=C-U2AMICB-2
[11:58] <unclekiwi> thats the exact cable
[11:58] <unclekiwi> i have been using
[11:59] <unclekiwi> but maybe your on to something with power
[11:59] <unclekiwi> i think i have a 1amp on one of the pi's
[11:59] <unclekiwi> maybe thats not enough
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[12:00] <unclekiwi> as you say taza
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[12:00] <unclekiwi> but i dont have anyting plugged into it except the nic
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[12:04] <unclekiwi> ok so i have a max 1 amp power supply and a 2M cable
[12:05] <unclekiwi> sounds like power casuing the issues right ?
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[12:05] <taza> Might be
[12:06] <taza> But a Pi with no USB devices should be able to do 1amp... assuming the PSU is 100% stable at that
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[12:07] <taza> The problem is that most USB cables aren't made to reliably deal with more than 500mA, and same with power supplies
[12:07] <taza> Sure they're up to 1A, but they don't do it in a completely stable fashion
[12:07] <ShorTie> the micro-usb cable is the most over looked problem causing piece for power issues
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[12:07] <unclekiwi> if this might be a hint... it dies when ya reboot it
[12:08] <unclekiwi> it never actually goes offline
[12:08] <unclekiwi> until say you restart
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[12:08] <unclekiwi> then all of a sudden the FS is naffed
[12:09] <unclekiwi> and it wont boot
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[12:09] <ShorTie> does have too, it's the micro blips of under voltage that can cause the problems in the long run
[12:09] <unclekiwi> but the truth is its probably gets corrupted and the os is just riunning in ram
[12:10] <taza> Entirely likely
[12:10] <unclekiwi> then when its read on boot it cant do it
[12:11] <taza> Standard USB cables don't have to do more than 500mA and not all of them do
[12:12] <unclekiwi> ithe one i have is quite a heavy grade not like some of the flimsy android chargers
[12:12] <unclekiwi> cables
[12:12] <taza> Internally?
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[12:13] <unclekiwi> yeah i would need to check that
[12:13] <taza> I mean, optimally you'd take tools and measure how it handles
[12:13] <taza> Anyway, I need to rewire things, and for that I must go offline
[12:13] <taza> I'll be Bach
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[12:13] <unclekiwi> :) nice thanks
[12:14] <ShorTie> if they are not proud enough to print the wire sizes on it, it most likely is not good enough, imho
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[12:15] <unclekiwi> B 28/1PR+26/2C
[12:15] <unclekiwi> does that mean anything
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[12:16] <unclekiwi> its written on the acble
[12:16] <unclekiwi> *cable
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[12:20] <ShorTie> i would read it as "28/1PR" are the 2 data wires and "26/2C" are the 2 power wires which are better then some but not as good as others
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[12:20] <taza> I feel so much more musical
[12:21] <ShorTie> don't know the voltage drop off the top of my head for 26awg for 2m, but it could be close enough to cause problems
[12:21] <unclekiwi> yeah i would have preferred a 1m cable
[12:21] <unclekiwi> or 0.5M
[12:22] <taza> (I had rewired for a while, but eventually I realized I needed to disconnect and reorder power cabling.)
[12:22] <ShorTie> problems the occure only under the right conditions, like heavy cpu, heavy net and sdcard writing all at the same time
[12:22] <taza> (Reordering a computer's power cabling with the system live is a bit weird
[12:23] <unclekiwi> it would be a bit like thoes guys that work on live powelines from a helicopter
[12:23] <taza> Nah, I've done it before
[12:23] <taza> The problem is the OS tends to not like it
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[12:23] <taza> In the case where I did it, the OS was prepared for it
[12:24] <unclekiwi> it was shutdown ?
[12:24] <taza> Nope!
[12:25] <unclekiwi> sounds interesting and risky for the life of the hardware
[12:25] <taza> The system had the text "The Sacrificial Lamb" written on it
[12:26] <taza> I was installing XMBC on an old Xbox that had a broken hard drive
[12:26] <taza> Well, broken-ish
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[12:27] <unclekiwi> sounds like an old computer shot-put out the window of a moving vehicle I no longer needed - that was one computer that really did crash
[12:28] <unclekiwi> the teenage years...
[12:28] <taza> Yeah well softmodding some Xboxes required some inventive tricks
[12:29] <taza> But hey, it was a super cheap way to have a computer with SCART output
[12:29] <unclekiwi> i remember installing a tape drive into a running server that was not hot swap
[12:29] <unclekiwi> and i managed to do that
[12:29] <unclekiwi> just plugged in the signal first and then the power
[12:30] <unclekiwi> and scanned the bus
[12:30] <unclekiwi> and it found it
[12:33] <unclekiwi> anyway so power seems like the cause of my dramas
[12:33] <unclekiwi> ?
[12:33] <unclekiwi> what do you guys use for power supplys
[12:33] <ShorTie> it's like normally the root cause of many problems
[12:33] <unclekiwi> ?
[12:34] <ShorTie> soooo.....
[12:34] <unclekiwi> nice
[12:34] <taza> Honestly? iPad charger.
[12:34] <unclekiwi> haha
[12:34] <taza> Apple PSUs are high quality and the older iPad chargers provide plenty juice
[12:34] <unclekiwi> ok so the ipad charger is 2amp
[12:34] <taza> You can probably find cheaper options off Adafruit tho
[12:35] <unclekiwi> yea your right apple are never short of quality
[12:37] <unclekiwi> http://www.cdlnz.com/productimages/jpegs/pt4usb.jpg
[12:38] <unclekiwi> this is the kind of thing i use
[12:38] <unclekiwi> there are ones with different power output
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[13:09] <KapitanF> is possible opengl under archlinux?
[13:10] <shiftplusone> No*
[13:10] <KapitanF> thanks
[13:10] <shiftplusone> (*yes, but if you were able to make it work, you wouldn't be asking)
[13:10] <unclekiwi> thanks Shortie and taza for your help
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[13:11] <taza> "help"
[13:11] <taza> It might be power, but it might not
[13:11] <taza> But the thing is, when your hardware's $50, experimentation is sometimes required.
[13:11] <unclekiwi> yeah but i was never thinking it was that at all
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[13:11] <unclekiwi> im going to run stress
[13:12] <unclekiwi> on it have you every used stress
[13:12] <unclekiwi> yum install stress
[13:12] <unclekiwi> its great to put a system under load
[13:12] <taza> ... meanwhile, for serious miniservers, intel's NUCs are significantly more, uh, researched
[13:12] <taza> The RPi is primarily an education board.
[13:13] <unclekiwi> yeah well i think its pritty good
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[13:13] <unclekiwi> and i think it can probably do what i need it to
[13:13] <taza> Yeah, but it was never meant for actual production servers, and in times like this, it shows.
[13:14] <unclekiwi> yeah but i think it can do it
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[13:14] <unclekiwi> just have to have backups
[13:14] <unclekiwi> and fial over
[13:14] <unclekiwi> failover
[13:14] <taza> Fair, and not like you can avoid backups on any system
[13:14] <unclekiwi> basically have to have a plan
[13:14] <taza> Two onsite, one offsite.
[13:14] <unclekiwi> yeah true
[13:15] <taza> I mean, I do RPi servers to do proof-of-concepts and experiment before committing and building actual hardware
[13:15] <taza> If it's meant to be actually reliable, it gets a real server. And that way, I ain't experimenting on hardware way more expensive and software way harder to set up
[13:17] <taza> Such as the NUC5i3RYK
[13:17] <unclekiwi> i have used the pi's to run asterisk in small businesses
[13:18] <unclekiwi> so as you can imagine its impoortant that it stays working
[13:18] <unclekiwi> haha
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[13:18] <taza> Or hey, BOXDCCP847DYE
[13:18] <unclekiwi> and it does work well
[13:18] <taza> ... Intel's model numbers.
[13:19] <taza> Yeah well I wouldn't use Pi for business purposes.
[13:19] <unclekiwi> just the sdcard corruption that killed me
[13:19] <taza> Nephew's experimentation? The Pi's perfect.
[13:19] <taza> If you're doing it for a business, you can throw in the extra $200
[13:20] <unclekiwi> im going to give the pi a little more of a chance
[13:20] <unclekiwi> i think its the sdcard to be honest
[13:20] <unclekiwi> letting it down
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[13:21] <nid0> frankly, for microservers, there are better options than the pi
[13:21] <taza> Might be, I use just Kingston, Sandisk and Transcend cards
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[13:21] <nid0> i'm not up on the current newest alternatives, but i've found the beaglebone black to be a better alternative
[13:22] <taza> I just grab a cheap NUC, every time
[13:22] <taza> Intel's got business support down.
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[13:24] <unclekiwi> yeah i bought a nuc at one point and i didnt have a good experience with it, however it was the cheapist one i could find
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[13:24] <unclekiwi> and it would just aweful
[13:24] <taza> Why was it so bad?
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[13:25] <unclekiwi> i couldnt load linux on it
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[13:25] <unclekiwi> it was a really limited one
[13:25] <taza> ... that shouldn't be a huge trick
[13:26] <unclekiwi> it was like it was designed to for just one purpose
[13:26] <taza> Intel's NUCs?
[13:26] <unclekiwi> it was this model of NUK
[13:26] <taza> They're general purpose computers, not really different from a desktop, except in the extensibility
[13:26] <unclekiwi> sorry NUC
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[13:27] <unclekiwi> this one was
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[13:28] <unclekiwi> anyway I guess they have probably come down in price
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> For medium power stuff, it's questionable if a NUC has much point.
[13:29] <unclekiwi> last time i had one was about 2years ago maybe
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> I note that my current desktop is using 22W as I'm typing this.
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> Last years intel I3 haswell, cheapest motherboard, couple of drives
[13:29] <taza> The form factor is far more important than the power usage
[13:30] <taza> I mean, yeah, at ATX or even MicroATX you can get the NUC features easy
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> True.
[13:30] <SpeedEvil> In some cases.
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> But significantly cheaper, and more upgradable.
[13:31] <taza> Eh, not necessarily cheaper
[13:31] <taza> NUCs are pretty cheap
[13:31] <taza> But yeah, for desktop use, I'd rather have something with a full-size PCIE slot
[13:31] <taza> For the versatility of nothing else
[13:32] <unclekiwi> this NUC was NUCCELERON-09
[13:32] <unclekiwi> it was horrid
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[13:32] * ozzzy would prefer a full-size ISA slot
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[13:34] <unclekiwi> sorry i mean BOXDN2820FYKH0
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[13:39] <unclekiwi> https://communities.intel.com/message/223161
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[13:39] <unclekiwi> you can see this person struggling to istall windows on it
[13:39] <unclekiwi> i think that was waht i was needing to do now that i think back
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[13:56] <heller\> hey guys
[13:56] <heller\> i need some help
[13:57] <heller\> i've got light sensor reading a led
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[13:57] <heller\> but its not outputting enough voltage to make pin HIGH
[13:57] <heller\> can i take voltage from 5V to make it input higher voltage?
[13:57] <heller\> i can get less about 1V at 3v3
[13:59] <ozzzy> use an opamp
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[14:00] <heller\> i cant do it now
[14:01] <heller\> but it wont damage input pins if i source it from 5V because its already too low?
[14:02] <ozzzy> depends... what happens if the light level increases
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[14:02] <heller\> it wont
[14:02] <heller\> its constant
[14:02] <heller\> sitting on top a led
[14:02] <ozzzy> well... it's your input pin =)
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[14:03] <Encapsulation> https://ideone.com/zScM4B is this the proper way of doing things? if not can someone please explain why and what the right way would be
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[14:06] <heller\> ozzzy: but basically if the input pin voltage stays under 3.3V its safe?
[14:07] <ozzzy> yep
[14:07] <Encapsulation> but if you put 12 volts into that pin, the pi will be destroyed
[14:07] <Encapsulation> trust me, I tested it
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[14:07] <Encapsulation> you will have burnt pi for dessert
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[14:08] <Encapsulation> you know what they say though
[14:08] <Encapsulation> you have to burn some pi to make the next great IoE device
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[14:12] <shiftplusone> IoE?
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[14:12] <ozzzy> Imperial order of elves
[14:12] <shiftplusone> ah
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[14:42] <azv4> I need 16 in's and 16 out's, I think the Pi2 has a total of 29 GPIO, what is my best bet for getting 32? In fact it might not hurt to setup 64
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[14:46] <SpeedEvil> azv4: How much of an electronics clue do you have.
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> What are you wanting the IO for.
[14:46] <azv4> i/o for a keyboard matrix
[14:47] <kisak> I count 26 @ http://raspi.tv/download/RPi.GPIO-Cheat-Sheet.pdf
[14:47] <azv4> SpeedEvil, I have a programming background, just learning electronics
[14:47] <azv4> http://pi4j.com/pins/model-2b-rev1.html
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MCP23017-E%2FSS/MCP23017-E%2FSS-ND/894273 as an example
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> This is a 16 bit I2C connected expander chip
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> One pound
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MCP23017-E%2FSP/MCP23017-E%2FSP-ND/894272 It's even available in through hole, if surface mount scares you
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[14:49] <SpeedEvil> Tehre are also many keyboard interfacing chips
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> Plus, in some cases, different key matrix arrangements might get you more keys than you suspect.
[14:50] <heller\> damnit
[14:50] <heller\> why is that not reading the led
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> How many keys?
[14:50] <heller\> i tested this at home and it was ok
[14:50] <azv4> SpeedEvil, it is for a 61 key music keyboard
[14:50] <heller\> anyone?
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:50] <heller\> what is the simplies way to read pin state high or low?
[14:50] <SpeedEvil> azv4: I would strongly consider if I wanted analog input.
[14:51] <heller\> if a pin gets too much voltage, will it kill only the pin or others too+
[14:51] <kisak> azv4: on your diagram, find me GPIO 17-20
[14:51] <heller\> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-17751-208914/j8header-large.png
[14:52] <heller\> the big 5 means GPIO.setup(5, GPIO.IN, pull_up_down = GPIO.PUD_DOWN)
[14:52] <heller\> right?
[14:52] <heller\> i've got GPIP.BCM
[14:53] <azv4> SpeedEvil, the matrix has diodes to prevent ghosting and leakage, it is a good keybed, I need to make a small board that will convert from micromatch connectors to something that I can plug into a Pi or whatever aux board I will need to provide 64 i/o
[14:53] <azv4> kisak, good point!
[14:55] <heller\> is there a script poll all pins state?
[14:56] <heller\> im guessing i might be using wrong numbers here
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[15:07] <heller\> oh **** this
[15:07] <heller\> hours of work for wrong pin numbers
[15:07] <heller\> awesome.
[15:07] <azv4> Im surprised there isnt some boards available that connect to Pi that provide many more GPIO
[15:08] <kisak> progress is progress, regardless of how much pain it takes to learn the way
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[15:13] <shiftplusone> azv4: of course there are such board... lots of them
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[15:14] <azv4> shiftplusone, googling like crazy to find an appropriate one
[15:14] <azv4> latency is a huge factor
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[15:14] <shiftplusone> just a random one off google https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/18/IO-Pi
[15:15] <shiftplusone> azv4: it shouldn't ever turn off
[15:15] <shiftplusone> bah... wrong channel
[15:15] <shiftplusone> (and person)
[15:16] <shiftplusone> genius... read something in one channel... reply in another... to a random person.
[15:19] <ozzzy> that's modern communications
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[15:19] <ozzzy> a properly designed protocol would know who the message was for and auto-route it to the correct channel
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[15:21] <ShorTie> is that that new ESP 1 they are workin on ??
[15:22] <ozzzy> I think so
[15:22] <azv4> hmm, Pi2 with IO Pi Plus can get me the IO I need, but the BeagleBoard Black appears to have it natively, I wonder if I should shift gears
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> azv4: personally, I'd be first looking at a keyboard that can do velocity
[15:23] <azv4> SpeedEvil, mine can
[15:24] <azv4> it has two matrix, it measures the timing to produce velocity
[15:24] <azv4> two matrix per key
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[15:25] <azv4> this is the schematic I am working with: http://www.doepfer.de/DIY/Matrix_61.gif
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[15:28] <SpeedEvil> azv4: I think you may be overestimating the pins you need
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> I think it's 8 + 8 for each half
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> = 24
[15:29] <azv4> SpeedEvil, how so? there are two sections to the keybed, each uses 8+8
[15:29] <azv4> 8+8+8+8=32?
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> yeah - but the half before the diodes is isolated, so you can share
[15:29] <azv4> so T0-T7 is all share?
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> T* can all be connected together
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:30] <azv4> that is good news
[15:30] <azv4> is it ok to make product with Pi to resell?
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[15:30] <azv4> or is that against license?
[15:30] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[15:31] <SpeedEvil> azv4: I think with extra diodes, and resistors (beyond the normal 16) you can reduce that to about 17 wires.
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> But I'd need to think carefully abou tthat which I can't do today
[15:31] <azv4> SpeedEvil, I am not convinced I need less than 32 still
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> azv4: To drive:
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> azv4: Pulse in series T0 to 7. These are connected to both sides.
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Right - never mind - this will add an imaging problem
[15:33] <azv4> I wonder if using PI IO + will cause unacceptable latency
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> you would need at least an extra two pins to select which side you want, and 16 diodes and resistors
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[15:37] <azv4> resistors to do what?
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[15:38] <Tenkawa> brv
[15:38] <Tenkawa> brb rather
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[15:39] <SpeedEvil> Split the two halves apart electrically
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[15:45] <azv4> SpeedEvil, so instead of looking at on/off I will look for specific voltages?
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[15:46] <SpeedEvil> No, you would still look for on/off
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[15:56] <DoctorD90> good morning! shiftplusone online? :D
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[15:57] <shiftplusone> maybe
[15:58] <DoctorD90> :D good day shiftplusone :D just a little "new"...did you remember that you was waiting for access to that site to auto-compile module for our italian wifi dongle that i have sent you x mail?
[15:58] <shiftplusone> yeah
[15:59] <shiftplusone> the kernel hasn't been broken out of the bootloader package to support that sort of thing yet
[16:00] <shiftplusone> and it's all about getting jessie sorted here right now, so.... it'll take a while >.>
[16:00] <DoctorD90> ok, is good to you if i tell you that on kali arm verion, i have plugged in wifi dongle, and it works? = if i think well, in that distro has to be the "compiler" or something related to that kernel? or it is a useless information?
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[16:00] <shiftplusone> perhaps the kali folk added it to their kernel
[16:00] <DoctorD90> and (nood question) isnt possible do the same stuff in raspbian? 0o
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[16:01] <DoctorD90> or if i ask them how thay did? (or what do you need to add to raspbian i mean)
[16:02] <DoctorD90> they*
[16:02] <DoctorD90> if i can help in any sort of way, just tell me! (if i can and you need...)
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[16:04] <shiftplusone> Nuh, we're reluctant to add non-upstream stuff to the kernel which doesn't relate to the pi itself. There are usually good reasons things aren't upstream.
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[16:06] <DoctorD90> ah ok! so i have only to wait. But jut to better understand, if now i download latest image from site, and install on a sd and put it in my B+, i have to install module or it works? because i have to make new one sd with raspbian, so i would understnad f i have to copy from old sd or "now" i an use my dongle without issue :)
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[16:06] <shiftplusone> sorry, I've got to go.
[16:07] <DoctorD90> ook :D shiftplusone ! thx! as alwasy ^_^ good day :D
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[16:08] <Froolap> hey DoctorD90, which dongle are you working with?
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[16:09] <DoctorD90> eh...a dongle much selled here in italy :P
[16:09] <avrdude> any news on the DSI port?
[16:09] <Froolap> that doesn't help me to know which driver or chipset it's using
[16:10] <DoctorD90> lol, sorry, i was going to get its box :P
[16:10] <DoctorD90> TP-LINK T_-WN725N
[16:10] <Froolap> Yeah, I think you will have problems with that one.....
[16:11] <DoctorD90> i have found a thread on forum that try to release latest version for raspbian :P but sometimes, when i update rpi-updte it gives trouble later...
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[16:11] <DoctorD90> TL-WN...*
[16:12] <Froolap> It seems to be a kernel issue. at one point the drivers were merged into the raspbarian kernel, and then the drivers were nolonger maintained so it was dropped from the kernel because the old drivers would no longer compile.
[16:12] <DoctorD90> Froolap, it is there a little trick:
[16:12] <Froolap> so it's only going to work when you are running a 2 year old kernel..... and then you might have the drivers built in, or you might have to compile the drivers/.
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[16:13] <Froolap> either way I would advise to get a supported dongle and save yourself the headacjhes unless you really enjoy trying to find out way support was dropped in the first place.
[16:14] <DoctorD90> from what i have read, of this dongle has been more then 1 version....1st version has been supported by rapsbian, but when TPLINK release version 2.....in raspbian doesnt get more "supporting"....due to needing of the new kernel compiling....no one has tell that to "raspbian staff" s they leave just the ver.1 without knowing of ver2
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[16:15] <DoctorD90> yep.....but now i hvae purchase it xD so i tell it to shift, and im politing waiting :D
[16:15] <DoctorD90> even if i read of many "italian" that are affect by this issue, im not using rpi at the moment, and shift has many stuff to deal with :D so im just waiting XD
[16:15] <Froolap> sorry to bring ya that news, I had a rosewill dongle that was using the same driver that I ended up having to toss.
[16:16] <DoctorD90> issue is with dongle version2
[16:16] <DoctorD90> .....uff.....google translate power to me!
[16:17] <DoctorD90> ok, transalted: lol xD
[16:17] <Froolap> didn't matter, the sources wouldn't compile, there were too many errors for me to be able to patch/cobble something together....
[16:17] <DoctorD90> when i will make big order from adafruit to make quadcopter with rpi, i think i will purchase a supported dognel too xD
[16:18] <DoctorD90> naaa..never mind....as shift said: he has the solution, but it need some times.....so im just waiting :D
[16:18] <ozzzy> I think arduinos would be better for quadcopters
[16:18] <DoctorD90> but many thx for your effort :D
[16:19] <Froolap> I found maybe 3 different versions for the driver.... I tried mix and match and looking at one to see if I could fix things in the other, after 2 weeks I gave up.
[16:19] <DoctorD90> ozzzy, me too, but i dont know C xD and i will purchase arduino too but to LEARN C..i dont think i can create a working quadcopter in C without know it xD
[16:20] <ozzzy> what were you planning on writing it in?
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[16:20] <DoctorD90> shift, from what i have understood, have asked to the "source" to get the real source, and leave the compiling "directly", or in some way that "auto" patch error...but this stuff goes over my knowledge :P
[16:20] <DoctorD90> ozzzy, TCL
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[16:21] <ozzzy> ugh... well whatever works LOL
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[16:21] <azv4> I have trouble connecting to Wifi network that does not broadcast SSID
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[16:22] <DoctorD90> i cant help you xD im still have to "patch" interfaces to allow auto connection on usb0 xD sorry :D
[16:23] <DoctorD90> (adding that i love network-manager, not other software)
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[16:31] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> hi..i have a question...i want to get my raspberry pi sd card which is already configured for the pi 1 use in my pi2. last time someone helped me..there was something wrong on the boot.config.but i.don't member what... so the pi2 didn't start with the.sd card.is someone here to help me get the raspbian running on my pi2 ?
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[16:32] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> kernel update is.done to kernel7 ..but in the boot .config there was a mistake...
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[16:34] <DoctorD90> ThUnD3r|Gr33n, sorry, you dont have 2 sd card?
[16:34] <DoctorD90> (it would be the bset :) )
[16:35] <DoctorD90> from what i remember, kernel are different but many more stuff has changed...so "compatibility" became a little hard from what i remember....i suggest you to use 2 different sd card ;)
[16:35] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> want to use the card as i already configured everything fir my.needs.wanna keep all of this..just boot.other.with kernel7 on.the.pi2
[16:36] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> i in fact had problems with kodi.no pic..only sound
[16:37] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> i already setup a New sd card.but all my owncloud and wordpress stuff is lost..would like to keep it
[16:37] <DoctorD90> uhm....MAYBE...but this is just a theory, you could download latest version, open it, extract the "boot" partition, and replace on your SD card...BUT BACKUP ALL....it may fail :P
[16:38] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> someone arrived to get it running by modifying the boot config but. i forgot how he did
[16:38] <DoctorD90> in this case, try to (instead of download an extract) copy/paste from new sd card to old, all file in boot partition...but as i said, backup all files, so if i wrong you can go back to previous version :)
[16:38] <DoctorD90> copy the config from new sd card :P this may help :P
[16:39] <DoctorD90> but BACKUP ALL...i dont cover losing of data :P
[16:39] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> where is other stored and called?
[16:39] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> i make backups all the time;)
[16:40] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> where can i find this.config file?
[16:40] <DoctorD90> in new sd card(like in the older) you have 2 partitions
[16:41] <DoctorD90> 1 called "boot" if i remember well
[16:41] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> ok
[16:41] <DoctorD90> go in "new" and copy config.txt to "old" sd card
[16:41] <DoctorD90> back up the old-config in old sdcard :)
[16:41] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> and the file which makes the pi booting from the.kernel?
[16:41] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> will try this config;)
[16:41] <DoctorD90> ...for this i suggest to copy the entire boot partition xD
[16:42] <DoctorD90> and backupping all old-boot partiion files
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[17:09] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[17:16] <bisl> Hi everyone! Day 1 newb here: I know next to nothing about raspberry pi but I'm interested in getting one to tinker around with it. I got here via the sidebar from /r/raspberry_pi. As far as I know, I need at least a pi itself as well as a NOOBS stick; does the AC adapter need to be purchased separately?
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[17:18] <Tenkawa> yes unless you buy a kit
[17:18] <Tenkawa> or
[17:18] <Tenkawa> you use a usb power cable
[17:19] <Tenkawa> however you will need to make sure it has consistent power to be safe.
[17:19] <bisl> Oh nice, I haven't seen kits available for sale in the couple of sites I've checked so far
[17:19] <Tenkawa> microcenter.com I think does
[17:20] <strobelight> bisl: and a keyboard/mouse
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[17:22] <Tenkawa> oh yeah
[17:22] <Tenkawa> that too
[17:22] <strobelight> http://www.adafruit.com/category/105
[17:22] <Tenkawa> unless you run them completely remotely like I do
[17:22] <Tenkawa> like servers heheh
[17:22] <bisl> Thankfully I have those in ample supply, but ultimately yeah once I get comfortable I hope to do everything over ethernet
[17:23] <strobelight> I don't remember if noobs has the initial config screen or not, but if so, you'll need the usb key/mouse local on the pi for initial setup
[17:25] <bisl> I've got a little 60% board that's pretty useful for that kind of thing--no special requirements for the kb/mouse other than being USB, right?
[17:25] <strobelight> nope, as long as not power hogs
[17:27] <strobelight> hdmi monitor ;-)
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[17:30] <bisl> wow there is a huge amount of stuff on adafruit.com here
[17:31] <r3> adafruit rocks
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[17:32] <McBride36> but is expensive
[17:33] <r3> I got several of these: http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-starter-ultimate-kit.html
[17:33] <r3> awesome having everything (and then some) in one kit
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[17:34] <Tenkawa> I so wish I could use those 4 cores more efficiently than I do now
[17:34] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:35] <Tenkawa> and I wish there was a native oracle install for arm
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[17:35] * Tenkawa is a sysadmin/dba
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[17:39] <Tenkawa> Bilby: cheer!!! have you seen todays forecast?
[17:40] <McBride36> yes. more midwest weather
[17:40] <Tenkawa> McBride36: are you in ohio?
[17:40] <Tenkawa> McBride36: we started at 28 and forecasted to hit 62-63 today
[17:40] <McBride36> fortunately not
[17:41] <Tenkawa> its just wacky as ususal
[17:41] <McBride36> north of chicago
[17:41] <Tenkawa> er usual
[17:41] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[17:41] <McBride36> gotta get that lakefront weather
[17:41] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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[17:43] <Tenkawa> brb... experiment time
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[17:47] <bisl> McBride36: Nice! I'm in Chicago, myself. Know of any places where these pi goodies can be purchased locally?
[17:48] <bisl> I'd like to play with this stuff over the weekend but with shipping time from online sites that wouldn't be possible
[17:48] <McBride36> depending on where you are, there's a frys
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[17:49] <McBride36> but that's about all i know of
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[17:58] <bisl> Ah cool, I know there's one of those out in the west suburbs at least. I'll check them out, thanks!
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[18:08] <ins3> Hi, my pi gets shutdown after ~10 hours, it's only running a simple nginx server at around 44c, the only thing attached to it is a wifi dongle and the psu, nothing else. anybody know why it gets shutdown?
[18:10] <Encrypt> >"server use"
[18:10] <Encrypt> >Wi-Fi
[18:10] <Encrypt> >God, why?
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[18:13] <ins3> why are you using greentext arrows on irc?
[18:13] <ins3> fuck off to 4chan kid
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[18:14] <ins3> so, anybody who isn't mentally challenged who have any idea what the issue could be
[18:15] <ins3> ?
[18:15] <maxwell> what wifi dongle
[18:15] <maxwell> also, wwhat PSU
[18:15] <ins3> http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/cat-11_TL-WN727N.html <- wifi dongle
[18:16] <ins3> the psu is a htc charger
[18:16] <ins3> changed from a deltaco one that wasn't enough, was giving me a rainbow screen on boot
[18:17] <ins3> the led is still on, i can't get any picture w/ hdmi either so i guess the entire pi is down and not just the internet
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[18:24] <McBride36> ins3, chill with the language
[18:24] <Kryczek> +1
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[18:25] <McBride36> but i'd probably make sure your charger isn't being overdrawn
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[18:36] <Froolap> what is the power output of your htc charger? Seems like there are a lot to choose from. maybe not all of them provide enough current. and some wifi dongles seem to require a powered hub regardless of the pi
[18:36] <Froolap> power supply
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[18:37] <r3> ins3: I would think that maybe it is power - can you measure the amps it is pulling?
[18:37] <r3> or maybe heat, do you have the heatsinks installed?
[18:37] <Froolap> maybe the charger is doing something fancy like stopping charging to prevent over charging the battery.
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[18:40] <Froolap> it might not be designed to be a constant duty powey supply, it might be specialized to be a battery charger and auto shuts down when it thinks the betteries have had enough
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[18:44] <Froolap> one of the several htc chargers I found on amazon indicates: Input: 100-240V 200mAh 50-60HZ - Output: 5V-1A which isn't really enough.
[18:44] <ins3> r3: nope, I don't have access to any such tools
[18:45] <ins3> Froolap: r3: Is there a charger you can recommend?
[18:45] <ins3> err, psu
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[18:46] <Froolap> I hate to recommend specific hardware, it is seldom the only choice or even best choice and may not be available in your area..... That being said, I'll look up what I have used in the past.
[18:46] <ins3> alright, thanks
[18:46] <ins3> I bought a deltaco one and it turned out to be really bad
[18:47] <McBride36> 5v and probably around 2 amps
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[18:48] <ins3> will it matter what kind of usb cable you're using McBride36?
[18:48] <azv4> I like the deltaco fish tacos
[18:48] <Froolap> http://www.amazon.com/Kootek%C2%AE-Supply-Charger-Adapter-Raspberry/dp/B00NL7WK2U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1429894090&sr=8-2&keywords=Kootek%C2%AE+Micro+USB+Power+Supply+Wall+Charger+AC
[18:49] <McBride36> ^ looks solid
[18:49] <ins3> thanks a lot :) will definitely order
[18:49] <Kryczek> ins3: doesn't the HTC charger have any writings on it?
[18:50] <Froolap> Yes, the usb cable matters, I have heard people saying that the thin cables have too much line drop which causes problems, I've seen a lot of posts in here about it but I don't remember the numbers on minimum recommended wire gauge.
[18:50] <ins3> no, it's a really old one my brother used to use, after my previous one turned out to not be enough I just grabbed it and hope it would work
[18:51] <ins3> Froolap: will that charger work for someone living in Sweden?
[18:51] <Froolap> ins3 without a model number of your charger/adapter it's impossible to research your specific model and know what's going on.
[18:51] <r3> any one that is 5V at 2.5A MicroUSB with ~5 foot cable
[18:51] <r3> more than 2 amps, McBride36, 2.5 is safe and to spec
[18:51] <r3> most "tablet" chargers will do 2.4 amps
[18:51] <Froolap> ins3: I don't know what power or outlets you have at your wall in sweeden, I couldn't tell you, and that is exactly why I hate to recommend specific hardware.....
[18:52] <r3> a LOT of phone chargers won't
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[18:52] <ins3> it's a tc e250 charger
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[18:52] <r3> (car chargers too tend towards 1A, but I have seen 2 and 2.4AMP ones)
[18:52] <ins3> https://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=208501
[18:52] <ins3> 5V/1A
[18:52] <skyroveRR> Does the raspberry pi kernel require the System.map file anymore? I can't seem to find it in this repo: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
[18:52] <r3> you need more than 1A, ins3
[18:52] <ins3> Even if the only thing I have connected is a wifi dongle?
[18:52] <r3> with this kit, http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-starter-ultimate-kit.html, I got a ton of great chargers made for the RPi2
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[18:53] <r3> ins3, yes, espeicially with a WiFi dongle
[18:53] <Froolap> Just because it works for me doesn't mean that it works for you. What I might recommend is browsing around on amazon for a raspberry pi and then look at the kits or the often purchased together..... see what adapters the kits or often purchased together power adapters are.
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[18:54] <McBride36> wifi dongles can draw a lot of power
[18:54] <Froolap> The important thing is the 5V, the 2A and that it has the connector for the raspberry...... Then look at reviews and see how many people are happy with it, Not many sales and not good reviews are generally indicators.
[18:54] <r3> remember what that WiFi dongle is doing, it's a radio and has to broadcast at a certain power to be heard by your WiFi access point, so sure, I can see it sucking a lot off that GPIO header (also, the max output for the GPIO header is 500mA, so don't run TOO much off it total)
[18:54] <r3> ins3: I would connect it via a network cable, don't change anything else, and see if it still turns off. (take the WiFi dongle off)
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[18:55] <ins3> alright, thanks a lot
[18:55] <r3> sure thing
[18:56] <r3> I should put together a faq for power issues with the Rpi2
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[18:57] <r3> here's the current power draw for my pi herd:
[18:57] <r3> Voltage: 4.92V Temperature: 23C -- PORT 1 "Port 1": ENABLED Current: 0.24A Power: 1.2W -- PORT 2 "Port 2": ENABLED Current: 0.26A Power: 1.3W -- PORT 3 "Port 3": ENABLED Current: 0.22A Power: 1.1W -- PORT 4 "Port 4": ENABLED Current: 0.26A Power: 1.3W -- PORT 5 "Port 5": ENABLED Current: 0.26A Power: 1.3W -- PORT 6 "Port 6": ENABLED Current: 0.22A Power: 1.1W
[18:57] <Froolap> That would be cool.
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[18:57] <Froolap> how did you get that read out?
[18:58] <ins3> a 2.1A would be fine, right?
[18:58] <r3> if you want a great power distribution solution, get one of these and support hardware hackers: https://www.tindie.com/products/nigelvh/dc-power-distribution-unit/
[18:58] <r3> sure, ins, that's 2x of what you have now, give it a shot
[18:58] <Froolap> should be. I've always heard 2a.... 2.1a shouldn't hurt anything
[18:59] <r3> Froolap ^^ see that tindie link
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[18:59] <Froolap> just means you probably aren't pushing the wall to it's limits
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[19:00] <r3> I made a power supply out of a good PC ATX PSU I had sitting about - so it outputs a nice 5V - and that goes into nigelvh's PDU and then each Pi is on a port from that
[19:00] <r3> (had to make cables with micro USB connectors on one end and DC connectors on the other - I used Anderson Powerpole bits for the DC connections)
[19:01] <r3> that input will drop to about 0.18A without a network cable plugged in, and can jump to 0.3 or more amp during boot
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[19:02] <Froolap> cool, but that price tag is staggering.
[19:02] <r3> not for what it does, it's not just a dumb powerstrip
[19:02] <ins3> 2,1 A. 110-240 V.
[19:02] <ins3> is 110-240 enough?
[19:02] <r3> er, I hope that 110V is input
[19:02] <r3> you want no more than 5V DC output
[19:03] <ins3> doesn't say, just says 19:02 < ins3> 2,1 A. 110-240 V.
[19:03] <r3> 110-240V tends to be the AC input
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[19:03] <ins3> 2A doesn't seem to be very popular here
[19:03] <r3> it should say
[19:03] <ins3> there's tons of 5V 1A
[19:03] <r3> what the output voltage is, how do you know it is 5V DC out?
[19:03] <Froolap> yeah it's cool for what it does, too much for my needs.... glad you have one and can share information with it though.
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[19:04] <Armand> I built my own power system for my rPis.. They are solar-powered.
[19:04] <r3> Froolap: you can USB into the PDU, and control each port, set limits, set under/overcurrent triggers, get status, the works
[19:04] <Armand> I had to set the LV regulator to 5.25v, to get a clean 5v on the USB port.
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[19:04] <r3> Armand: how do you compensate for the voltage drop when it is cloudy?
[19:04] <Froolap> very nice.... if I was going to run a pi cluster I would definately get one.
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[19:04] <r3> yeah, I love me Pi Heard
[19:05] <r3> ...Beowulf cluster... lol
[19:05] <Armand> r3: Don't need to.. 5x 12v @7Ah batteries. :)
[19:05] <Froolap> I've seen pictures of it being done.
[19:05] <r3> ah, that will do it, Armand
[19:05] <Armand> And there's an auto-switch, to fire up an AC/DC transformer if the voltage drops below 11.5v
[19:05] <r3> ins3: do you have a multimeter? or anything you don't care about that you can test that uninformative wall wart on?
[19:05] <Froolap> I have 3 pi, and I've kind of wished I had a single power supply for them just to eliminate plugs at the wall.
[19:06] <r3> Froolap: yeah, that PDU is awesome, but can't get around the two wires it needs (network and power)
[19:06] <Armand> I think it's 11.5v.. It has an upper and lower limit
[19:08] <r3> ins3: they are super inexpensive and you can get one just about any hardware store
[19:08] <r3> not like the $400 Fluke I just bought. Ow. $500 with case/accessories.
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[19:08] <r3> I bought my first car for less than that
[19:09] <r3> of course, this Fluke meter will last a lot longer than that car did
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[19:13] <Froolap> lol
[19:13] <Froolap> yeah, fluke are nice.
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[19:15] <ins3> hmm, the only thing I could find so far is: https://www.pi-supply.com/product/european-eu-micro-usb-raspberry-pi-power-supply-5v-1500ma/
[19:15] <ins3> http://thepihut.com/products/eu-micro-usb-power-supply-for-the-raspberry-pi
[19:15] <ins3> here we go
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[19:16] <r3> 1500ma = 1.5A = too low
[19:16] <ins3> yup, found a 2a
[19:16] <r3> the 2nd one would work well
[19:17] <r3> good luck - and maybe in the meantime try the wired networking and see if it still does it
[19:17] <r3> if so, then we know power isn't it
[19:17] <Froolap> Yeah ... looks good... re you link http://thepihut.com/products/eu-micro-usb-power-supply-for-the-raspberry-pi
[19:18] <ins3> wired networking doesn't work on my pi, heh
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[19:19] <Froolap> ins3: there is a listing of supported wifi dongles and some of those known working still require a powered usb hub to work well.
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[19:19] <Froolap> ins3: there is a listing of supported wifi dongles and some of those known working still require a powered usb hub to work well.
[19:19] <ins3> the previous psu corrupted my sd card
[19:19] <ins3> so I had to switch it out
[19:19] <ins3> and after that ethernet wouldn't work
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[19:20] <ins3> not sure if ethernet port got messed up because of the psu
[19:21] <Froolap> I doubt that it's dammaged, but you might have been on the edge for power. get a good adapter and try it again.....
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[19:21] <Froolap> good adapter = power adapter
[19:22] <ins3> yup will do, thanks for the all the help :)
[19:22] <Froolap> Pleasure
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[19:22] <Froolap> Let us know how it goes. I'm interested.
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[19:30] <ins3> will definitely do, thanks :)
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[19:37] <Kemosabe> RIP Jon Stewart :'(
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[19:39] <Tenkawa> Kemosabe: his retirement from tv?
[19:39] <Kemosabe> didn't he retire ages ago/.
[19:40] <Tenkawa> not sure..
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[19:59] <TheLostAdmin> AFAIK John Stewart isn't dead or even retired. He only announced his retirement from the Daily Show.
[19:59] <Tenkawa> yeah thats what I thought
[19:59] <Tenkawa> although he wasnt clear if it was just the daily show
[20:00] <TheLostAdmin> True. But as with most actors, retirement is rarely retirement. It's just being more picky about what you choose to do.
[20:00] <Tenkawa> indeed
[20:01] <TheLostAdmin> I wish I made the kind of money where I could do that.
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[20:02] * ozzzy announced his retirement in 2011 and then RETIRED
[20:02] <Tenkawa> retirement is relative
[20:03] <Tenkawa> many levels and such
[20:03] <TheLostAdmin> retirement is just a change in priorities.
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[20:10] <ozzzy> naps are a high priority
[20:11] <nid0> can confirm, father-in-law sleeps a lot instead of enjoying his freedom
[20:12] <ozzzy> freedom is the ability to nap whenever you want
[20:12] <brennen> ^
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[20:15] <TheLostAdmin> would anyone object if I asked a very off-topic question?
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[20:16] <nid0> I might
[20:16] <nid0> but i'm intrigued, so it's unlikely
[20:16] <TheLostAdmin> okay, I don't have have to ask.
[20:17] <nid0> i'm only messing, whats the question?
[20:18] <TheLostAdmin> Well, since you are intrigued ... Does anyone know how the Twonky media server sorts files (specifically episodes of tv shows when presenting them) and if so, how (or where can I find this information?
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[20:19] <Froolap> I object, You asked if it was ok to ask a question. You aren't supposed to do that.
[20:19] <TheLostAdmin> Background: The Twonky media servers is included with my Linksys firewall router in the firmware but I am not able to get to the config for it. I've searched around but I can't find the default (just a lot of complaints).
[20:20] <Froolap> silly of me, but have you tried to telnet or ssh into the router?
[20:20] <TheLostAdmin> Opinion: the Twonky media server (at least as implemented on the lInksys firewall/router) is crappy but it saves me having to leave my computer on all the time just to watch something on my TV.
[20:20] <Tenkawa> nmap it
[20:20] <Tenkawa> see whats open
[20:20] <ball> One of the sales guys just walked past my desk and said "Oh, is /that/ what that is?" (pointing towards my Raspberry Pi).
[20:21] <ball> "I've been thinking of getting one of those".
[20:21] <nid0> TheLostAdmin: it seems like, in your situation of wanting a media server without leaving your desktop on all the time, the name of this channel could be a relevant solution to your problem.
[20:21] <TheLostAdmin> I have. (nmap, telnet, ssh, etc.) No such luck.
[20:21] <Tenkawa> ball: not surprised
[20:21] <ball> Tenkawa: I was.
[20:22] <nid0> media servers included with routers are generally awful at best
[20:22] <Tenkawa> ball: why? i get asked about my boards a
[20:22] <TheLostAdmin> nid0: it may come to that but right now my Pi is a remote desktop server to let me get into my home network when I'm not at home.
[20:22] <Tenkawa> ll the time
[20:25] <ball> Tenkawa: I do by the techs but not usually by a salesman.
[20:25] <Tenkawa> ahhh
[20:26] <Tenkawa> one of these days if the rpi windows release happens that might even get more people involved
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[20:29] <TheLostAdmin> Now for the relevant question. Does Plex run on the Raspberry Pi without difficulty? That would be my preferred alternative approach (move Plex from the power hungry laptop to the Pi).
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[20:38] <azv4> Anyone ever test Bristol and Jack together on a Pi2?
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[20:56] <redstonecraftpl> hi
[20:57] <redstonecraftpl> are you in, ali1234?
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[20:59] <ali1234> yes
[20:59] <redstonecraftpl> could you paste in that command?
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[21:00] <ali1234> which one?
[21:00] <redstonecraftpl> that one what transmits live from rpi to rtmp serv
[21:01] <ali1234> okay hang on
[21:01] <redstonecraftpl> ok
[21:06] <redstonecraftpl> still working on it?
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[21:10] <ali1234> gst-launch-1.0 rpicamsrc bitrate=500000 ! video/x-h264, width=960, height=540 ! h264parse ! flvmux streamable=true ! rtmpsink location=rtmp://live-lhr.twitch.tv/app/
[21:10] <redstonecraftpl> thx!
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[21:18] <qwyos> Does running RPi with undervoltage warning (for prolonged period of time) damage it somehow?
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[21:19] <ali1234> no
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[21:23] <ShorTie> jusr corrupt your sdcard maybe
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[21:28] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, is there any existing script out there for (easily?) starting a session dbus without X?
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[21:34] <qwyos> Is there anything wrong that doesn't just corrupt the SD card? ;-)
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[21:34] <redstonecraftpl> hdd? :D
[21:34] <eggbeater> qwyos: I don't think so. Is there a reason you want to run it under-voltage?
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[21:36] <qwyos> eggbeater: bad PSU?
[21:40] <pksato> if under voltage is due bad PSU, It can damange RPi.
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[21:41] <eggbeater> qwyos: Personally I would invest a few bucks in a new one. It's better in the long run.
[21:42] <qwyos> eggbeater: I have a good PSU. I ask just theoretically what would happen if RPi was running undervolted for long time.
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[21:42] <eggbeater> qwyos: for a long time...probably nothing other than slow CPU time and such...more performance than function if you know what I mean. :D
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[21:46] <pksato> stable low voltage (>3.6V <= 4.75V) only affect USB operation.
[21:47] <eggbeater> Yeah, that :) ^^
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[22:36] <l_r> what's the model C now?
[22:36] <l_r> :O
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[22:37] <eggbeater> I'm not sure if the C is even a thought atm.
[22:39] <strobelight> pi 3 model A?
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[22:40] * plugwash does wonder when the rpf will go after the pi2 series
[22:41] <l_r> rpf?
[22:41] <l_r> i see there will be a giga eth (wow!) new camera (which one?) and usb3!
[22:41] <TheLostAdmin> where are you looking l_r
[22:42] <l_r> http://raspi.tv/2015/raspberry-pi-model-c
[22:42] <l_r> is it a joke?
[22:42] <TheLostAdmin> look at the date. I'm pretty sure that was an april fools day joke
[22:42] <l_r> lol
[22:43] <l_r> :D
[22:43] <methuzla> very broadcom! much pi!
[22:44] <plugwash> "I’m not overly worried about Duino sales though because they seem to have forgotten to connect the ATMEGA to the pins "
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[22:44] <Encrypt> methuzla, Such GPIO :D
[22:44] <Encrypt> Wow
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[22:46] <ali1234> has to be a joke because nobody has found an obvious hardware bug yet :P
[22:47] <ali1234> although maybe that's what the joke about atmega pins is refering to
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[22:52] <TheLostAdmin> Don't forget the R2D2 chip, the C64 chip, and the all important THX-1138 chip on that photo.
[22:52] <ali1234> also the 4R5E ferrite
[22:53] <TheLostAdmin> That's a 4RSE when you blow it up. I wasn't going to mention that one.
[22:53] <Encrypt> + C3P0
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[22:53] <TheLostAdmin> Ah! I missed the C3P0 but I just found it.
[22:55] <Encrypt> :p
[22:56] <McBride36> that and it says bitchin' fast lower right
[22:58] <TheLostAdmin> yes, but that was actually mentioned in the "article".
[22:59] <TheLostAdmin> I was hoping for USB 3 on the Pi2 but I don't have any usb3 things to attach, so I can't really complain.
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[23:00] <McBride36> ah that's a great post
[23:00] <McBride36> time to go home and not work even harder
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[23:10] <Encapsulation> anyone making things with their pi?
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[23:10] <Encapsulation> not just a button or an led or htpc
[23:10] <ali1234> sure
[23:11] <Encapsulation> but building a new device with rpi as its brain
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[23:12] <TheLostAdmin> I made box with my Pi. That's about it.
[23:12] <eggbeater> Encapsulation: I made this project with my Pi: (I know it's mostly LEDs, but this helped me learn a lot with building and Python and coding in general) http://launchpad.net/raspberrypi-christmaslights
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[23:13] <methuzla> lots of people are, just google "<random object> raspberry pi"
[23:13] <eggbeater> Are you looking for suggestions or are you curious about the gallery of things?
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[23:14] <eggbeater> There's plenty of Pis in space now too. I'm thinking about sending one up this summer.
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[23:17] <plugwash> AIUI that depends how loose your definition of "space" is
[23:18] <eggbeater> Higher than the sky :P
[23:19] <methuzla> could also look through magpi issues to get some ideas: https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/
[23:19] <chris_99> i guess you mean Near space
[23:20] <eggbeater> chris_99: yup
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[23:22] <methuzla> this pi went pretty far out: https://www.raspberrypi.org/first-pi-in-space/
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[23:24] <chris_99> oh that says they're sending some to the ISS
[23:25] <ali1234> so the videocore has cache aliases...
[23:25] <ali1234> that means it can only really address 1GB of memory
[23:26] <plugwash> methuzla, you are aware you just linked to another april fools joke
[23:26] <ali1234> and since peripherals are mapped into that same space, it actually can't use the full 1GB on the B2
[23:26] <ali1234> true or false?
[23:26] <plugwash> AIUI theres a hole but it's not massively big
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[23:26] <chris_99> plugwash, how's it a joke?
[23:27] <chris_99> people have launched pi's on HABs
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[23:27] <plugwash> chris_99, read the full post
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[23:27] <ali1234> the hole will be 0x01000000 = 16M
[23:27] <Froolap> you didn't see the vdeo at the bottom of the page where he linked the photos together
[23:27] <chris_99> oh yeah heh, didn't scroll down sorry heh
[23:27] <plugwash> it starts out looking sensible, then veers into totally implausible
[23:28] <methuzla> second launch will use a pi C
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[23:29] <Froolap> yeah, pi C right next to aries and leo
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[23:29] <|izzie> FROOLAP!
[23:29] <Froolap> hi |izzie
[23:29] <|izzie> so, i'm using remmeni rdp to connect to my rpi.. and i open the brower and it says it's going to duckduckgo.. but the page remains black.. at some point, i create a new tab, and it shows what i searched for, but if i click that icon, i get another black webpage.
[23:29] <|izzie> anyone else have this issue?
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[23:31] <methuzla> no joke on sending a pi to ISS though: http://astro-pi.org/
[23:34] <ali1234> is the astro pi hat actually available for purchase?
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[23:39] <|izzie> any site.. black screen: http://www.lizzie.com/epiphany.png
[23:39] <methuzla> ali1234 there's a mention in the FAQ about it becoming available at some point
[23:40] <ali1234> yeah the comments on the news article say the same thing - "in a couple of months"
[23:41] <ali1234> |izzie: the web browser won't work over RDP because it uses vc hardware accelerated rendering
[23:41] <ali1234> same goes for omxplayer
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[23:41] <ali1234> and a bunch of other things
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[23:50] <|izzie> ah, ali1234
[23:51] <|izzie> so, i should use vnc through remmina? i tried that, first with ip and then with ip:1 but i receive a note: unable to connect to vnc server
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[23:51] <|izzie> is there a specific port i should use for remmina vnc?
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[23:56] <|izzie> holy cannoli, ali1234 , all set!
[23:56] <Froolap> I don't know how this would work but i notice in the sshd config there is an option for xwindows.....
[23:56] <|izzie> i'm there.. i had to start vncserver
[23:56] <|izzie> whew
[23:57] <|izzie> thanks for telling me to come to freenode, Froolap
[23:57] <Froolap> just trying to be helpful. :)
[23:58] <Froolap> there's some good folks here that have helpped me quite a bit.
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[23:59] <redstonecraftpl> i need help
[23:59] <redstonecraftpl> i have rtmp stream, everything are cool, i could see them for a while

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