#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2015-05-13

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <mark4> clever, thats not happening, the only pins that are connected are power, ground, tx and rx
[0:00] <mark4> glad to see someone here with xbee experience :)
[0:01] <mark4> screen never fails to communicate with the modules, my code never succeeds
[0:01] <clever> try swapping the xbee modules and re-test things?
[0:01] <mark4> i have bunches of them. same response from all of them
[0:02] <mark4> i can +++ from screen and get OK
[0:02] <mark4> atsl gives the expected serial low response
[0:02] <mark4> all in screen /dev/ttyAMA0 9600
[0:02] <clever> ah
[0:02] <mark4> my code... ignored
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[0:02] <clever> and are you putting the proper delays after +++ ?
[0:02] <mark4> there is a 1 second guard time
[0:02] <mark4> after every command i wait up to 3 seconds for a response
[0:03] <mark4> before i try send anything else
[0:03] <clever> and before the +++ ?
[0:03] <clever> what is the code?
[0:03] <mark4> i have a 1 second delay after initializing the tty before i try initializing the xbee
[0:03] <mark4> hang on
[0:04] <mark4> https://gist.github.com/981a9b19a51993900ceb
[0:05] <mark4> the untimed retries on the serial write was just an experiment to see if the write ever returned <0. it doesnt
[0:05] <clever> where is it sendign +++?
[0:05] <mark4> in some other code, thats just the serial code
[0:05] <clever> can i see that part also?
[0:05] <mark4> hang on
[0:06] <mark4> https://gist.github.com/05c5f625b4ac89a7f0f2
[0:06] <clever> you have a \r before the +++
[0:06] <mark4> btw, ALL printfs in this code are being removed,
[0:06] <clever> that violates the guard time rules
[0:07] <mark4> oh. that was an experiment too lol
[0:07] <mark4> ignore that part... these are not the drpoids you are looking for!
[0:08] <clever> try removing it anyways, does anything change?
[0:08] <mark4> taking that out though it just worked. it has been known to work before tho
[0:08] <mark4> lol i did and for the third time since 9am it has worked
[0:08] <clever> yeah, the guard time says you must have x seconds of silence before the +++ and after
[0:08] <clever> its from the old dialup days
[0:08] <mark4> running again
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[0:08] <mark4> and it worked again
[0:08] <clever> if i was to send you a ping containing +++ATH0\r\n
[0:08] <clever> and then you replied, and sent a pong with that same string
[0:08] <clever> your modem would hang up :P
[0:09] <mark4> yea i know this is all legacy hays smart modem stuff
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[0:09] <clever> you can disable the guard time in the registers
[0:09] <alphakiller> hi all
[0:09] <mark4> ya
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[0:11] <alphakiller> i'm working on a project with raspberry and i need an 1 or 2 meters accuracy GPS module. can you advice me something?
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[0:19] <niston> what something?
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[0:20] <mark4> hhjang on got sidetracked by someone at work brb
[0:22] <aphorise> Aheh I give up no matter what I set it just doesnt OC at all - I'm capped at 600Mhz somebow
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[0:26] <alphakiller> niston: some GPS module...
[0:27] <alphakiller> best quality/price ratio maybe
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[0:34] <mark4> clever lol btw removing that \r from in front of the +++ fixed it. that was put in there as an experiment about an hjour ago and i forgot about it
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[0:35] <ToRA_> i hate it when that happens
[0:35] <mark4> i dont, i dont care if it was STUPIDNESS on my part that stopped me seeing the fix when it was applied, all i care about is that it WAS fixed
[0:35] <mark4> this could have been my job
[0:36] <mark4> actually tho im not calling this solved YET
[0:36] <ToRA_> "i wonder if this would work... nope, no change. i have another idea! i better try it before i revert my last attempt."
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[0:36] <mark4> this weekend this worked flawlessly for about 3 hours. went to sleep and the following morning.... newp dont work again.
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[0:58] <tawr> hi guys
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[1:48] <Encapsulation> ralink5370
[1:48] <Encapsulation> anyone lucky w/ raspbian
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[1:52] <Froolab> ???
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[1:53] <Froolab> aphorise> Aheh I give up no matter what I set it just doesnt OC at all - I'm capped at 600Mhz somebow ????? which pi?
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[1:54] <Encapsulation> froolaB
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[1:58] <Froolab> root@pidora ~ # cpufreq 700000
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[1:59] <Froolab> the only thing uncommented in my config.txt is.....
[1:59] <Froolab> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[1:59] <Froolab> disable_overscan=1
[1:59] <Froolab> hdmi_drive=2
[1:59] <Froolab> start_file=start_x.elf
[1:59] <Froolab> fixup_file=fixup_x.elf
[2:00] <Froolab> done..... that's on my B+
[2:02] <Froolab> uname -a = Linux pidora.local 3.12.23-2.20140626git25673c3.rpfr20.armv6hl.bcm2708 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 4 16:06:10 EDT 2014 armv6l armv6l armv6l GNU/Linux
[2:02] <Froolab> in case that helps
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[2:07] <[Saint]> it might help the one other person who runs pidora.
[2:07] <[Saint]> ;)
[2:08] <Froolab> it might convince you that pidora isn't evil. :D
[2:08] <Froolab> and *I* AM that other person.
[2:09] * Froolab is now known as Froolap
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[2:11] <sandman> Has anyone else found Raspbian on the RPi2 to be somewhat buggy?
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[2:11] <Froolap> heh, I found raspbarian in general to be somewhat outdated....
[2:12] <Froolap> hmmmm. I should test something
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[2:13] <sandman> Seems like chromium is broken, so is bsnes, an assortment of other things
[2:14] <[Saint]> #archmasterrace
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[2:26] <Froolab> yup, that works, slow but livable.
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[2:32] <Froolab> 300K a second
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[3:09] <artifice> Hey guys. Is there a way to do the initial setup for Raspbian over SSH/VNC? I don't have a monitor with HDMI, and I'm trying to avoid taking a KB/mouse/usb cable to my TV and plugging in there.
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[3:10] <[Saint]> Yes.
[3:11] <[Saint]> sshd is up at boot with the default user/pass
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[3:11] <artifice> [Saint], perfect, thank you
[3:11] <rowinofwin> and if you, like me, inherited a pi with ssh removed, you can do a blind login
[3:12] <Froolap> i don't know how you would do a text based initial config/boot
[3:12] <[Saint]> raspi-config has a cli option does it not?
[3:13] <artifice> I think it does, I'll give it a try
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[3:14] <rowinofwin> what I did was connect my keyboard, connect power, wait about 1 minute, then type 'pi', enter, 'raspberry', enter, 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' enter, 'raspberry', enter, y, enter
[3:14] <rowinofwin> of course, I still didn't know the IP, so I had to figure that out
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[3:14] <rowinofwin> to do that I setup tshark capturing with a port filter on my desktop system, then used telnet to connect on that port.
[3:15] <rowinofwin> then I went back to that IP, all done
[3:15] <rowinofwin> of course, if I had a hdmi capable monitor it would have been a bit easier
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[3:15] <Froolap> or just look at dhcp clients in your router
[3:15] <artifice> I just did an nmap scan to find the Pi, I'll try logging in now
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[3:17] <artifice> It worked, I'm logged in
[3:18] <artifice> And I'm doing the cli raspi-setup now
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[3:20] <lifeCrisis> hey guys anyone out there set up a webserver with their pi?
[3:21] <artifice> Not on my pi, no
[3:22] <Tenkawa> lifeCrisis: many..
[3:22] <Tenkawa> whats up?
[3:22] <lifeCrisis> sry
[3:22] <lifeCrisis> mmm...
[3:22] <lifeCrisis> i'm having trouble connecting to the device remotely...
[3:23] <lifeCrisis> i've installed apache2
[3:23] <lifeCrisis> and...
[3:23] <Froolap> is it on?
[3:23] <lifeCrisis> yes!
[3:23] <lifeCrisis> haha
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[3:23] <Tenkawa> what happens if ypu telnet thathost 80 from a diff box ?
[3:23] <lifeCrisis> i've installed apache2 and I can connect from my laptop when i'm on the WLAN with the pi on it by typing in the IP address in the browser
[3:23] <Froolap> you gotta do a lot of config for apache
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[3:24] <lifeCrisis> gasp... telnet? i'm a noob...
[3:24] <lifeCrisis> i will research for sure
[3:24] <pksato> lifeCrisis: you want to access from outside you local "internet"?
[3:24] <pksato> from a friend, work, school, etc
[3:25] <lifeCrisis> yes yes
[3:25] <Tenkawa> pksato: thanks.. was just about to type that
[3:25] <lifeCrisis> sry if i'm not clear
[3:25] <pksato> ande type here, not on private chat. (most ignore it)
[3:25] <Tenkawa> lifeCrisis: you're going to probably need to do some port fordwarding/firewa
[3:25] <Froolap> you have to work on your router and forward port 80 to the ip address of your pi
[3:25] <Tenkawa> ll rules
[3:26] <Tenkawa> like Froolap said
[3:26] <lifeCrisis> kk
[3:26] <lifeCrisis> i can log into my router
[3:26] <Froolap> then you can access the pi web server by using your internet facing ip address
[3:26] <pksato> Fisrt, most ISP block port 80 (and others) on home/soho connections.
[3:27] <Tenkawa> pksato: greaty depends on country/region
[3:27] <lifeCrisis> guys this is really helpful, i thank you... but how can i learn more about ports? IP? TCP? Telnet? all of this seems so hard to find good info on....
[3:27] <lifeCrisis> i'm in south georgia USA
[3:27] <Froolap> google tcpip
[3:27] <lifeCrisis> haha
[3:27] <Tenkawa> seriois
[3:27] <Tenkawa> y
[3:27] <lifeCrisis> information overload...
[3:27] <pksato> next, need to configure router/modem to forward port 80 to RPi ip.
[3:27] <lifeCrisis> I can't filter it...
[3:27] <Tenkawa> er seriously... tcpip networking 101
[3:28] <Tenkawa> search for that
[3:28] <lifeCrisis> k i'll keep searching and hacking, it's just so much
[3:28] <lifeCrisis> i tried using sockets with python... i just don't understand!!!
[3:28] <lifeCrisis> even with tutorials
[3:28] <Froolap> lifeCrisis: visit this site for a small introduction. https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
[3:28] <Tenkawa> lifeCrisis: heh i got my start on ark/la border in the 80's and 90's so you can imagine how little resources were around
[3:29] <artifice> lifeCrisis, here's a link to some info (I googled what Tenkawa said to):http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6534/1
[3:30] <lifeCrisis> you guys are awesome!
[3:30] <lifeCrisis> i always get something good when i come here...
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[3:30] <Tenkawa> lifeCrisis: glad we could help.. this is fun stuff
[3:31] <Froolap> the link I posted will scan your computer for open ports (a good thing to know/do) and then it will tell you about the various servers and common ports and which port is assigned to which service by default
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[3:40] <artifice> "After this operation, 1,145 MB disk space will be freed." :D
[3:40] <Tenkawa> artifice: please tell me thats not a dist-upgrade
[3:40] <Tenkawa> and just a focused remove
[3:41] <Tenkawa> that sounds a bit high
[3:41] <artifice> Tenkawa: haha no, I'm removing the desktop environment and X11
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[3:42] <Froolap> a gig????
[3:42] <artifice> I'm 95% sure I'm not breaking anything. If I do I'll just reflash the sd card
[3:42] <Tenkawa> heh yeah i did that to an ubuntu box that had gotten a bit messy and it was huge
[3:43] <artifice> Froolap, when apt is done doing it's thing I'll pastebin the --dry-run log
[3:43] <[Saint]> artifice: https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[3:43] <Tenkawa> well so far my battery powered pi is holding up
[3:43] <[Saint]> just don't bother removing anything from an existing image.
[3:43] <[Saint]> roll your own from a minimal install
[3:43] <[Saint]> loads easier
[3:43] <artifice> [Saint], that's a much better idea, I'll do that
[3:43] <[Saint]> (IMO)
[3:43] <Froolap> Tenkawa: for how long?
[3:44] <artifice> Although I am going to wait for this to finish, because I'm curious to see if it works without breaking everything
[3:44] <[Saint]> You could even use arch
[3:44] * [Saint] chants 'one of us, one of us, one of us...;
[3:44] <Tenkawa> Froolap: only 6 hours so far
[3:44] <Froolap> lol saint
[3:44] <Froolap> Tenkawa: I would be happy with that
[3:44] <[Saint]> There's dozens of us.
[3:45] <[Saint]> Dozens!
[3:45] <Tenkawa> Froolap: wasnt even sure if that pack was even any good
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[3:45] <Tenkawa> so i'm hoping this works well
[3:45] <Froolap> does it have a meter to let you know how much is left?
[3:45] <Tenkawa> no..
[3:46] <artifice> [Saint]: Haha I've used arch before, a few times! I just don't want to spend 3 hours in tears setting up my Pi :P
[3:46] <[Saint]> artifice: http://archlinuxarm.org/ if you want to take a walk on the wild side
[3:46] <Tenkawa> and i cant find the right lm module yet
[3:46] <[Saint]> artifice: it really isn't that bad for the pi
[3:46] <[Saint]> no more so than debian, not sconsiderably so, anyway.
[3:46] <Tenkawa> thats something i plan on working on tomorrow
[3:46] <Froolap> 632876920 bytes received in 2.06e+03 secs (307.28 Kbytes/sec)
[3:46] <[Saint]> *considerably
[3:47] <artifice> [Saint], good to know it exists for ARM just in case I feel like trying
[3:47] <Froolap> I suppose that's not too terrible for a rpi2b on wireless as far as speed goes
[3:47] <[Saint]> there's armel/5/6/7 variants AFAIK
[3:48] <artifice> Here's my dry run of apt remove: http://termbin.com/jook
[3:48] <[Saint]> Anyhoo...dozens!
[3:49] <[Saint]> looks good
[3:49] * Tenkawa needs to find a good solar panel
[3:51] <Tenkawa> Froolap: this rpi2 is wireless-n too. i dont use the onboard nic
[3:52] <Froolap> Tenkawa: you might want to look into something like this for radio controlled planes/cars http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064SHG0Y/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[3:52] <[Saint]> isn't wireless N largely superfluous on the Pi?
[3:52] <[Saint]> I mean, you'll literally never ever top out wireless G speeds with a Pi...
[3:53] <Tenkawa> [Saint]: yeah but the nic was inexpensive and i had many of them spare
[3:53] <Froolap> while that particular unit wouldn't do you much good, as the alert voltage is below that of the pi operating voltage, there may be others that are more programable that would give you warning before it hits the pi threshold,.
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[3:53] <Tenkawa> Froolap: ah
[3:53] <plugwash> [Saint], well there are lies, damn lies and wireless speeds
[3:54] <plugwash> the quoted headline figures for wireless standards are generally theoretical maximums unlikely to ever be seen in practical deployments
[3:54] <Froolap> just letting you know that such things do exist and you can find them at hobby shops for radio controlled things. cars, boats, planes
[3:54] <Tenkawa> well time to wrap it up for the night... cheers all
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[3:55] <Froolap> you might find it handy to work into your project.
[3:55] <Froolap> thanks for sharing the battery info with us
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[3:55] <Tenkawa> Froolap: thanks.. i use to race rc cars and had thought about those batteries however voltage regulators/etc was a bitcannoying to think about adding
[3:56] <Tenkawa> and without voltage and resistance regulation i would be nervous
[3:56] <Froolap> throttle control.... ebec.... the rc recievers run on 5v, so you might be able to feed the pi on what you would normally plug into the reciever
[3:57] <Tenkawa> indeed heheh
[3:57] <plugwash> [Saint], having said that it seems the biggest problem with most USB wi-fi adaptors is lack of decent antennas
[3:57] <Froolap> and since the servos can drink a bit of juice.... it could work.
[3:57] <Tenkawa> be back tomorrow.. might have to look more into using some of my old equipment still around
[3:58] <Tenkawa> cheers all
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[3:59] <plugwash> theres just no way you can fit a decent 2.4GHz antenna in a dongle that barely sticks out of the USB port
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[4:01] <Froolap> mine seen to work fairly well, 1/8 wave
[4:02] <plugwash> sure but they are never going to work as well as a card with a decent sized antenna
[4:03] <plugwash> most laptops hide the antenna in the back of the screen
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[4:04] <Froolap> actually i've had more disconnects from my desktop wireless that I do from the pi wireless sitting on top of the desktop.
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[4:07] <Froolap> I'm sure my setup is far from optimal with 3 wireless routes on three seperate networks and 10 wireless computers in the house, some connecting to multiple routers.
[4:09] <Froolap> so if the micro dongle can work through that threshold of noise, gotta salute
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[4:39] <Stanto> Froolap: if you've got 3 wireless access points and they're sat on 802.11g but on channels 1, 6 and 11 then you're doing it right.
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[5:00] <Ullarah> Hi all, is it best to install scratch via the package manager, or use the one on github? https://github.com/raspberrypi/scratch
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[5:12] <NedScott> internet, for kids!
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[5:32] <Froolap> Stanto: Nope, they are all on wireless N. and they auto choose channel, and there's 11 other wireless networks in the neighborhood that I can see.
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[5:34] <Froolap> they didn't even have an internet when I was a kid.
[5:34] <methuzla> and we'd tie an onion to our belt and...
[5:35] <Froolap> oh yeah, the onion and the linomint on the chest for a cold. good stuff
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[5:54] <maoi> howdy
[5:54] <maoi> if I knocked capacitor c6 off my pi B, what can I do to get it up and running quickly?
[5:56] <Encapsulation> ebay.com
[5:56] <Encapsulation> jk
[5:56] <Encapsulation> you'll need to put c6 back
[5:56] <Encapsulation> talk to froolap
[5:57] <Froolap> I wouldn't have a clue
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[6:01] <maoi> c6's leads broke
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[6:01] <maoi> one looks like it might be too short to solder
[6:02] <Froolap> I wouldn't trust it even if you did get it "working".
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[6:06] <Encapsulation> just solder a wire across there probably
[6:06] <Encapsulation> should work
[6:06] <Encapsulation> I'm jk of course
[6:06] <Encapsulation> it probably won't work
[6:06] <Encapsulation> you could get a replacement part
[6:07] <Froolap> It's not worth a fire
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[6:22] <Ullarah> Wow. The latest raspbian image is quite nice!
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[6:26] <artifice> Installing postgresql fails on my Pi, I'm not sure what's going wrong. The message is about postgresql-9.1 not being configured. I'll pastebin the error.
[6:28] <artifice> http://termbin.com/s8tm
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[6:38] <Ullarah> artifice, The error states right here, "Is another postmaster already running on port 5432"
[6:38] <Ullarah> Run: 'lsof -i' and see if something else is on port 5432
[6:39] <artifice> Ullarah, wow, I missed that
[6:40] <artifice> Nothing else seems to be on that port
[6:42] <Ullarah> artifice, http://serverfault.com/questions/133331/cannot-get-postgresql-to-start-on-ubuntu-hardy
[6:42] <Ullarah> I know it's not ubuntu, but try some of the things there.
[6:42] <Ullarah> I'm not familiar with postgresql, sorry.
[6:43] <artifice> I'll take a look, thanks for your help!
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[7:04] <yehnan> Raspbian includes oracle-java8-jdk by default. I want to execute Java "8" program. Even a simple Hello World program, javac compiling is ok. But executing shows error: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: HelloWorld : Unsupported major.minor version 52.0
[7:06] <yehnan> $ javac -version returns 1.8.0 , $ java -version returns java version "1.6.0_34" This should be the cause. How can I get Java 8 runtime on Pi/Raspbian?
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[10:49] <jigsawFE2> hi, is it fine that 100, LNK, FDX and PMR LEDs are all ON during rpi runtime
[10:50] <ShorTie> you have a ethernet cable plugged in ??
[10:50] <jigsawFE2> yes
[10:50] <ShorTie> then i'd say it's normal
[10:50] <jigsawFE2> thanks for assuring
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[11:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> What to connect to the display port?
[11:32] <pmjdebruijn> "the display port"?
[11:32] <pmjdebruijn> rPi typically has two outputs, composite or HDMI
[11:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> There is one that can take a ribbon cable
[11:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> DISPLAY
[11:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> CAMERA
[11:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> RPI2
[11:33] <[Saint_]> Nothing uses it as yet.
[11:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> Oh
[11:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> Are there specs?
[11:33] <pmjdebruijn> presumbably that's for cell-phone type displays?
[11:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> I would like to have a kindle-like type display on mine.
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[11:38] <CTF> Hey :) Rasbian is the best distro to run on RaspberryPi (because of hard-float support), right? Is Raspbian also the best distro to run on RaspberryPi2 or there are better options?
[11:39] <shiftplusone> depends on what you're after. there are always pros and cons
[11:40] <[Saint_]> Yeah. 'Best' is a terribly subjective thing.
[11:40] <pmjdebruijn> presumably CTF meant fastest
[11:40] <shiftplusone> bare metal
[11:41] <anev> hey
[11:41] <CTF> pmjdebruijn: yep :)
[11:41] <anev> i have an odd question
[11:41] <shiftplusone> Oh that's good... we have odd answers.
[11:41] <anev> :)
[11:41] <[Saint_]> Why are cats made of music?
[11:41] <[Saint_]> ...that's an odd question.
[11:41] <shiftplusone> To get to the other side
[11:42] * [Saint_] is now known as [Saint]
[11:42] <anev> yesterday i put together an rpi which allows me pair my phone and register the device as an audio source in pulseaudio server
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[11:42] * shiftplusone sees 'pulseaudio' and hides
[11:42] <anev> i'm then taking the music source and converting the audio to 44.1hz using sox and piping it into an fm transmitter
[11:43] <anev> everything seems to be working, but the audio is really slow
[11:43] <anev> my guess is that the pi isn't powerful enough to do the conversion in real time
[11:43] <anev> i overclocked and removed all peripherials
[11:43] <anev> it improved but it's still really sluggish/slow
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[11:43] <anev> has anyone ever overcome something like this?
[11:43] <shiftplusone> Maybe sox is only using 1 core and not very well?
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[11:44] <anev> shiftplusone: perhaps, i'd have to look into that - i was playing around with the sampling rate instead trying to improve it but no luck
[11:45] <[Saint]> sox shouldn't be particularly computationally intensive.
[11:45] <shiftplusone> maybe check if it's pinning a core or something
[11:45] <anev> i didn't think it would be but i'm not much of an audiophile
[11:45] <shiftplusone> don't worry... audiophiles know the least about audio.
[11:45] <anev> :)
[11:46] <[Saint]> That is very true.
[11:46] <anev> i would think if xmbc can stream video and audio, it should be possible to do *something* to imrpove it
[11:46] <[Saint]> But once you start spending upwards of 10K you have to start lying to yourself, heh.
[11:46] <ali1234> slow?
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[11:47] <ali1234> like the music plays slowed down?
[11:47] <anev> ali1234: exactly
[11:47] <ali1234> then the bitrate is wrong somewhere
[11:47] <anev> as if it's roughly half speed
[11:47] <anev> ali1234: i played around with the bitrates
[11:47] <anev> no luck
[11:47] <ali1234> clearly not in the right place
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[11:48] <anev> ali1234: perhaps
[11:49] <anev> i have the source limited to 44.1hz, then i use sox to convert the raw audio as a rate of 44100, 16 bits and a gain of 10db before piping it out to pifm
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[11:50] <[Saint]> Cue PiFM hatred
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[11:53] <anev> ali1234: any suggestions at what the best rate to use would be?
[11:53] <ali1234> the correct one
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[11:58] <jesopo> ha
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[12:08] <anev> never mind so
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[13:53] <pii4> is raspi 1 b+ is dual core ?
[13:54] <shauno> single core
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[15:22] <h8> hi everyone
[15:23] <h8> is there any "hack" to increase the output of the analog line in rpi2?
[15:23] <pksato> no need a hack. Just use a super mega power audio amplifier.
[15:24] <h8> yeah, without a proper amplifier here... so umm, I'm trying to see if there is any "fix" available
[15:24] <h8> in the end I'll end up buying a DAC I Guess
[15:25] <pksato> hack that you need is called audio amplifier.
[15:25] <h8> great
[15:25] * h8 goes to unplug the jack
[15:25] <pksato> that rpi model?
[15:26] <h8> pi 2 model b
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[15:26] <pksato> B+ 2B have a audio driver to drive phones.
[15:26] <pksato> and small speakers.
[15:27] <pksato> few mW.
[15:29] <pksato> DAC normaly have line level output (1Vpp@10k)
[15:31] <h8> I guess I'll have to research on what to do
[15:31] <h8> I have an old amplifier, from 1972, I'm fond of it, so I don't want to change that
[15:32] <pksato> 1972? almost as old that I. :)
[15:33] <pksato> old audio gears need to replace electrolic capactitor, to get original specs.
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[15:38] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[15:39] <Tenkawa> Froolap: well the battery lasted about 12 hours
[15:39] <Tenkawa> mind you its been sitting in a box for ages so that was its first full cycle
[15:39] <linux_unix-10> hello
[15:40] <Tenkawa> going to see if it improves with usage
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[15:40] <Tenkawa> linux_unix-10: greetings
[15:40] <linux_unix-10> what operating systems do you run on your raspberry pis?
[15:41] <Stanto> raspbian, windows.
[15:41] <linux_unix-10> i'm chatting from RISC OS Pi right now
[15:41] <Stanto> old skool.
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[15:42] <Tenkawa> Stanto: umm no
[15:42] <linux_unix-10> Stanto: yeah, seemed interesting due to its, how you say, uniqueness
[15:42] <Tenkawa> linux_unix-10: i run riscos on one of my x86 boxes
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[15:42] <Stanto> Tenkawa: Yes.
[15:43] <linux_unix-10> woah
[15:43] <linux_unix-10> emulator or native?
[15:43] <Tenkawa> Stanto: unless iot was released this week I'd certainly like to know how
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[15:43] <Tenkawa> since i havent seen a useale image from microsoft yet
[15:43] <Stanto> Tenkawa: For Windows on the Pi ? the IoT build was released last week.
[15:43] <Tenkawa> wth
[15:43] <Tenkawa> i never got an email
[15:43] <Stanto> Wakey wakey
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[15:43] <Tenkawa> i had been getting iot emails
[15:43] <linux_unix-10> search it on youtube
[15:44] <Stanto> Tenkawa: http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76402/l/windows-10-iot-core-on-the-raspberry-pi-2 | http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76415/l/running-windows-10-iot-core-and-code-on-the-raspberry-pi-2
[15:44] <Tenkawa> Stanto: my bad...
[15:44] <Tenkawa> well dang
[15:44] <linux_unix-10> spoiler alert --> no desktop
[15:44] <Tenkawa> i have a project when i get home
[15:44] <Stanto> linux_unix-10: Unless you code one ;)
[15:44] <Tenkawa> linux_unix-10: i only want a server buiold
[15:44] <linux_unix-10> for those who don't know
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[15:45] <Tenkawa> Stanto: how does it run so far?
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[15:45] <Tenkawa> can it be transferred to run off usb yet?
[15:45] <Stanto> Tenkawa: It's fine, you'll need a Class 10 SDcard, obvious development needs to be done, driver support, etc. However you can recode a front-end for it and get it to do some electronics
[15:45] <linux_unix-10> Tenkawa: not even that, it's used for developing and running universal apps that are remotely controlled
[15:45] <Stanto> I don't know.
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[15:46] <Tenkawa> linux_unix-10: meh... i was hoping they'd at least put ad functionality on it
[15:46] <linux_unix-10> don't think a server could be made out of it but who knows?
[15:46] <Tenkawa> would be nice directory servers
[15:46] <Tenkawa> blah
[15:47] <Tenkawa> now i'm not as interested.. i use pi's for servers
[15:47] <linux_unix-10> well, app data needs a place to be stored...maybe a workaround can be used
[15:47] <Tenkawa> i got plenty of linux stuff to keep me busy on them
[15:47] <linux_unix-10> but networking support is definately up
[15:48] <linux_unix-10> good point
[15:48] <Tenkawa> the 4 i have work well togethetr
[15:48] <Tenkawa> er together
[15:48] <Tenkawa> and all wireless now :)
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[15:49] <linux_unix-10> doesn't seem to offer much (compared to linux) beyond interating with other M$ stuff like hololens
[15:49] <Tenkawa> meh indeed
[15:49] <Tenkawa> linux_unix-10: unrelated q... hows riscos doing?
[15:49] * Tenkawa would personally like to see a minix port to the pi2
[15:49] <linux_unix-10> fine i guess, i'm new to this one
[15:50] <linux_unix-10> does minix support armv7?
[15:50] <Tenkawa> not sure
[15:50] <Tenkawa> havent looked recently
[15:50] <linux_unix-10> shouldn't be too hard if it does, if not...
[15:50] <Tenkawa> Bilby: another glorious weather day
[15:50] <linux_unix-10> i'll go check
[15:51] <Tenkawa> thanks
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[15:52] <linux_unix-10> btw, riscos is fine for single-tasking. but multitasking sucks since it's a CMT system
[15:52] <Bilby> Tenkawa ;__;
[15:52] <Tenkawa> which emotion is that?
[15:52] <linux_unix-10> yes, minix does support ARm
[15:52] <Tenkawa> not familiar with it
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[15:52] <Tenkawa> linux_unix-10: cool
[15:53] <linux_unix-10> there are sd card images on the main website's download section
[15:53] <Tenkawa> nice. might try one out again later
[15:53] <linux_unix-10> for the BBXM, beaglebone black & white
[15:54] <linux_unix-10> not RPi2
[15:54] <linux_unix-10> :(
[15:54] <Tenkawa> oh
[15:54] <Tenkawa> nm
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[15:55] <Tenkawa> well... maybe i could pull out the pi1's and use those for that
[15:55] <Tenkawa> i have many of them sitting idle now
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[15:55] <linux_unix-10> well, since the source code is available, we could take the source for those devices and make it RPi2 ready
[15:55] <Tenkawa> true
[15:55] <linux_unix-10> the supported ARM boards all use ARMv7 processors for starters
[15:56] <Tenkawa> afk... bbiaf
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[15:59] <linux_unix-10> as far as i know the BeagleBong Black uses a 2-core Cortex-A8
[15:59] <linux_unix-10> BeagleBone
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[16:00] <linux_unix-10> does anyone else here use RISC OS on their Pi?
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[16:03] <Tenkawa> bbiaf.. heading to diff building
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[16:05] * strobelight hears crickets
[16:06] * IT_Sean releases the insecticide gas
[16:07] * Bilby issues gas masks to the crickets
[16:08] <linux_unix-10> breaking the silence here... how come NOOBS needs more disk space to run than Berryboot? Both do the same things
[16:08] * IT_Sean gets the flamethrower out. Makes the crickets terminally crispy.
[16:09] <niston> "Welcome to IT_Seans's crispy cricket"
[16:09] <IT_Sean> Deep fried cricket onna stick, £1. Deep frind cricket onna stick w/ sauce, £5.
[16:09] <IT_Sean> *fried
[16:10] <niston> stick, 20p
[16:10] <IT_Sean> lol
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[16:11] <McBride36> i've seen deep fried oreos and snickers on a stick for sale
[16:11] <IT_Sean> You ever had a deep fried cricket?
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[16:11] <IT_Sean> Trust me... you want it with sauce.
[16:11] <linux_unix-10> "do you have deep fried cricket on a stick with ketchup and a side of cricket legs?"
[16:11] <McBride36> murica doesn't eat crickets
[16:11] * IT_Sean gives linux_unix-10 one order of Deep Fried Cricket Onna Stick w/ Sauce.
[16:12] * IT_Sean rummages through linux_unix-10's wallet and collects payment
[16:12] <linux_unix-10> "Where's my side of cricket legs?, sir?"
[16:12] <IT_Sean> Do you see that on the menu?
[16:12] <IT_Sean> Dint think so.
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[16:13] <linux_unix-10> !I want my money back!"
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[16:13] * IT_Sean points to the "No Refunds" sign
[16:13] <linux_unix-10> "Dang it!"
[16:14] <linux_unix-10> "And no I didn't see the menu, I'm ordering through a chat window!"
[16:15] <linux_unix-10> Getting meta now
[16:15] <linux_unix-10> lol
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[16:15] <TheLostAdmin> The Pi camera is pretty awesome.
[16:16] <IT_Sean> Yes. Yes it is.
[16:16] <linux_unix-10> If only I could find one here...
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[16:16] <TheLostAdmin> It makes me want a pi-mic to match. Something that makes the crappy mics on most cameras sound as crappy as they are.
[16:17] <linux_unix-10> I think there are some expansion boards that have 3.5mm mic ports
[16:18] <TheLostAdmin> there are also usb attachable mics that should work.
[16:18] <linux_unix-10> Seen a bunch in pictures of the PiPhone
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[16:18] <linux_unix-10> that too
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[16:19] <linux_unix-10> do wireless usb mice work on the Pi?
[16:19] <linux_unix-10> the ones that use a USB receiver?
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[16:20] <Bilby> linux_unix-10 yes
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[16:21] <linux_unix-10> Great! I'll go get it. Hate to see it gathering dust.
[16:22] <shakezula> im using one of those goofy $8 usb wifi keyboard/touchpad things from ebay on my pi
[16:22] <shakezula> it works great
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[16:23] <linux_unix-10> Also, will a USB Bluetooth adapter work? I want to transfer files between my Android devices and my RPi easily.
[16:24] <shakezula> yes, i have in the past used a logitech bluetooth dongle with mine
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[16:24] <shakezula> as long as it has linux support it should work fine
[16:24] <sandman> Is the X server @ RPi2 still unaccelerated?
[16:25] <linux_unix-10> Does one still have to install blueman or bluez to make Bluetooth adapters work?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> sandman: yes
[16:26] <linux_unix-10> Don't see any of those on default Raspbian
[16:26] <sandman> Ug. Is this ever going to change?
[16:26] <shiftplusone> sandman: if you want to follow progress http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/
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[16:26] <sandman> Gotchya
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[16:28] <linux_unix-10> What bluetooth manager should i use in Raspbian? Don't know where to start.
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[16:28] <shakezula> i used blueman, its in the repo or it was
[16:29] <shakezula> could always build it from scratch
[16:29] <linux_unix-10> thanks
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[16:30] <shakezula> you could also install the gnome-bluetooth but its heavy on the dependencies Laugh out loud
[16:30] <linux_unix-10> In 2005, Technologic Systems made a fully working 'smart' toaster using NetBSD.
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[16:31] <linux_unix-10> Could it be built again with the RPi?
[16:31] <linux_unix-10> *cue epic music*
[16:33] <day> we have the technology!
[16:33] <IT_Sean> ............................. why?
[16:33] <IT_Sean> A toaster does not need to be "smart"
[16:33] <IT_Sean> It just needs to toast.
[16:34] <linux_unix-10> juse cause
[16:34] <shakezula> ^
[16:34] <Caver> not .. *talkie toaster* ...
[16:34] <linux_unix-10> *just
[16:34] <giddles> offtopic?
[16:34] <giddles> :D
[16:34] <shakezula> i'd rather have a smart coffee pot
[16:34] <linux_unix-10> nothing is offtopic here
[16:34] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean: you just don't get IoT
[16:34] <shiftplusone> Internet of Toasters is where it's at.
[16:34] <Caver> I could well imagine using a rPi to make the best toaster in the world
[16:35] <linux_unix-10> A PiToaster could notify you when and if the toaster is done
[16:35] <Caver> I confess I know very little about bread/heating/temperature profiles, but there has to be a great little project in there!
[16:35] <shiftplusone> Even MS is jumping on the Internet of Toasters bandwagon.
[16:35] <Caver> maybe a moisture sensor to detect how fresh the bread is
[16:36] <Caver> the IR camera perhaps to do some monitoring?
[16:36] <linux_unix-10> The NetBSD toaster from 2005 could also be a webserver and play mp3s...while making you toast
[16:36] <Caver> ahaha damn it, I think I'm taking this too seriously
[16:36] <giddles> hmm
[16:36] <linux_unix-10> no you're not
[16:36] <giddles> making the brits rhich :)..
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[16:37] <giddles> wheres pi2 produced?
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[16:37] <shakezula> i want a Pi case that looks like a mini-SPARCStation LX
[16:37] <Caver> Wales?
[16:37] <giddles> still at sony?
[16:37] <shakezula> to compliment the CDE
[16:38] <Caver> I believe so
[16:38] <linux_unix-10> The TS-7200 used in the NetBSD toaster is a little bigger that the RPi and has GPIO pins too
[16:38] <giddles> well im still angry about that my dealer do not send it in the original box..
[16:39] <giddles> no rpi manual ( i knew to find it online)..
[16:39] <giddles> its like a citron, pressing out the last juice ..
[16:39] <McBride36> should be possible to change the raspberry in the top left yeah?
[16:39] <Caver> I never got any kind of manual, just a sheet of paper, telling me the safety certificate stuff and the rPi site
[16:39] <giddles> yes rpi site
[16:39] <linux_unix-10> Honestly, the only big challenge in making the PiToaster a reality is the temperature
[16:40] <giddles> i would like to have a real manual ;)
[16:40] <IT_Sean> All the documentation is online, giddles.
[16:40] <giddles> i knew sean
[16:40] <h8> I got two manuals...
[16:40] <giddles> do you sell me one? :D
[16:40] <h8> so I can share, lol
[16:40] <giddles> nah its to save packaging cost
[16:40] <linux_unix-10> Print the documentation if you need to
[16:40] <giddles> where i pay full scale..
[16:41] <giddles> greedy dealers..
[16:41] <McBride36> ah
[16:41] <McBride36> i'd need to recompile the kernel
[16:41] <shakezula> Element 14 sends the pi in its original box generally
[16:41] <Caver> https://sumanprasanna.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/how-to-change-your-boot-logo-in-linux-kernel/
[16:41] <shakezula> there's stil no manual though, just a little slip of compliance info
[16:41] <giddles> and at the storages of Metro AG they even dont knew what a raspberry pi os :)
[16:41] <giddles> -os + is
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[16:44] <linux_unix-10> https://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php ; maybe we can replace the relevant stuff here for a RPi-powered toaster?
[16:44] <linux_unix-10> just another idea for a RPi project?
[16:45] <linux_unix-10> i guess
[16:45] <Caver> fantastic
[16:45] <linux_unix-10> NetBSD is available for the RPi too
[16:46] <Caver> of course to make it fully red dwarf compliant - we'd have to make it speech activated
[16:46] <Caver> I wonder if there's any software around already to help with that
[16:46] <sandman> I saw openarena being run on an RPi @ ~60 FPS via YouTube, yet when I run it on my RPi2 is goes at about .5 FPS...
[16:47] <MY123> censuring about UEFI :P
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[16:47] <sandman> Have to install via PiStore I take it?
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[16:50] <Caver> it would make sense, but I don't know off the top of my head
[16:50] <Caver> are you running it, while X is running?
[16:50] <hosler> anyone gentoo on pi?
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[16:52] <linux_unix-10> i know there's a NOOBS-compatible tarball or something for Gentoo on Pi
[16:52] <hosler> i already have gentoo on it. im looking for other people so we can compare notes.
[16:52] <linux_unix-10> oh
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[16:56] <ShorTie> not many Gentoo users around
[16:57] <McBride36> there was one yesterday
[16:57] <McBride36> he was all yelly and stuff
[16:57] <sandman> Anybody know what happened to the SNES emulator @ the Pi Store?
[16:57] <linux_unix-10> probably even less CRUX users here
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[16:58] <sandman> I'm just amazed. OpenArena runs like garbage, half the stuff doesn't work, better make sure not to run apt-get dist-upgrade, lest is break up your system at the moment (so much for having a stable branch)
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[16:59] <sandman> bsnes just flat-out doesn't run, throwing a bunch of warnings in the terminal. Just seems like the RPi is a mess
[16:59] <linux_unix-10> later, gtg
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[16:59] <Tenkawa> sandman: why is the "rpi" a mess
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[17:00] <Tenkawa> i would say the code needs to be evaluated thats fai
[17:00] <Tenkawa> ling
[17:00] <McBride36> Tenkawa, i've decided to adventure into recompiling the kernel!
[17:00] <sandman> PiSNES is apparently missing now from the PiStore
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[17:01] <Tenkawa> McBride36: cool.. all 4 of mine are now running custom 3.18 kernels
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[17:01] <McBride36> i just wanna change the lil' raspberry image in the top left
[17:01] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:01] <McBride36> would be pretty neat to put my company's logo on there
[17:02] <Caver> should be possible
[17:02] <Tenkawa> i got rid of a lot of the excess i dont need
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[17:02] <Tenkawa> McBride36: i think you can do that already without a rexompile
[17:02] <Tenkawa> er recompile
[17:02] <Tenkawa> m
[17:02] <McBride36> everything i've read (not much) points to a recompile
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[17:03] <Tenkawa> hmm thought there was already a boot option for it
[17:03] <McBride36> i'll look into it
[17:03] <McBride36> i think what i'm reading is changing the boot logo
[17:04] <Caver> http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/pi-operating-systems/raspbian/custom-boot-up-screen anyuse?
[17:04] <Caver> which actually comes from http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1214/how-to-add-custom-loading-screen
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[17:04] <Tenkawa> oh it feels so nice and cool outside today :)
[17:05] <Tenkawa> Froolap: hey... see my earlier stats on the battery run?
[17:06] <McBride36> caver, seems like it's all for during boot up
[17:06] <McBride36> which is neat, i can throw that in there too, just not exactly what i'm looking for
[17:06] <Tenkawa> McBride36: what are you trying to do then?
[17:06] <Caver> what is it your after?
[17:06] <McBride36> so after boot up and you're just sitting in CLI
[17:07] <McBride36> there's a raspberry in the top left
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[17:07] <McBride36> i wanna change that raspberry
[17:07] <ShorTie> it's a core indicator i believe
[17:07] <Tenkawa> that would either be the same thing or changed via the getty itself
[17:08] <Tenkawa> probably just a framebuffer image
[17:08] <McBride36> ah
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[17:08] <Tenkawa> dont quote me though
[17:08] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:08] <McBride36> probably since it's disappeared while i'm building python 3.4 rn
[17:08] <Tenkawa> indeed
[17:10] <Caver> yup .. it does look like it's a kernel thing
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[17:10] <Caver> if your feeling *really* clever you could replace the embedded .ppm file in it, with your own
[17:10] <Caver> but I think recompiling might simpler lol
[17:10] <Vegetable> is there any definitive way to disable the screensaver on raspbian?
[17:11] <Caver> there is a no logo possibility
[17:11] <Caver> screensave in X or screensaver when your @ the command prompt?
[17:11] <McBride36> why do you say recompiling would be simpler?
[17:11] <Vegetable> in x, the screen is blanked
[17:12] <Vegetable> I tried a few things but it still goes blank
[17:12] <ShorTie> maybe http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41898
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[17:13] <Caver> sounds like you want to turn off the DPMS screen blanking?
[17:13] <Caver> try: xset -dpms
[17:13] <Caver> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/2059/disable-screen-blanking-in-x-windows-on-raspbian
[17:14] <Caver> McBride36, hacking embedded files, where you don't know the offset in the kernel, sounds like hard hard work to me :)
[17:14] <Caver> but feel free and report back :) - take a back up 1st though :)
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[17:15] <McBride36> i mean, i'm like jon snow when it comes to this stuff, i know nothing
[17:15] <Vegetable> I'll try adding those to the startup script
[17:15] <McBride36> i'm just a python geek
[17:15] <Caver> lol me too
[17:19] <McBride36> Tenkawa, how long does it take you to compile?
[17:19] <Caver> still everyone should try compiling a kernel at least once in your life
[17:19] <Caver> it put's hairs on your chest
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[17:19] <Tenkawa> McBride36: not too long ..
[17:19] <Tenkawa> havent timed lately..i cab
[17:19] <Tenkawa> er can
[17:19] <McBride36> well, i'm debating if i want to compile it on my rpi or on my server
[17:20] <Tenkawa> mind you my kernel is fairly stripped down
[17:20] <Tenkawa> since my pis are used as sergvd
[17:20] <Tenkawa> er servers mostly
[17:21] <McBride36> gotcha
[17:21] <McBride36> well, i don't really wanna cross compile so i probably will just leave it on the pi
[17:21] <Tenkawa> i use 12 cores via distcc/ccache too
[17:21] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:23] <Froolap> Tenkawa: nope, system reboot, what were the stats?
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[17:24] <Tenkawa> got around 12 hours on its first full charge in montgs
[17:24] <Tenkawa> er months
[17:24] <Tenkawa> charging again to see if it had charge menory
[17:25] <Tenkawa> will run another test tonight
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[17:38] <McBride36> yay python build semi sucessful
[17:38] <Froolap> 12 hours isn't bad. two batteries per day... perfect, just enough time to recharge between uses.
[17:38] <Caver> heheh how "semi"?
[17:39] <TheLostAdmin> Froolap, are you making a portable Pi?
[17:39] <Tenkawa> Froolap: depends on usage though.. i barely did anythinh
[17:39] <McBride36> python3.4 installed but ensurepip failed
[17:39] <floralshoppe> can rpi be connected to a usb battery bank?
[17:39] <McBride36> just a couple packages and a rebuild
[17:40] <Tenkawa> floralshoppe: thats what i was doing
[17:40] <IT_Sean> floralshoppe: Yes, it can.
[17:40] <Tenkawa> just a single battery module though
[17:40] <floralshoppe> so it can feed off usb for power?
[17:40] <floralshoppe> good
[17:40] <Tenkawa> one of those 5v ipad charger batteries
[17:40] <Froolap> TheLostAdmin: not yet, but it's something that I had wanted to do, and having extended run time when the ups is down would be good.
[17:40] <Tenkawa> is what i was testing
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[17:42] <Tenkawa> now i'm trying to figure out why rpi github has 3.18.13 in firmare-rpi but not in kernel
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[17:46] <Froolap> to be confusing
[17:46] <Tenkawa> indeed
[17:46] <Tenkawa> heheh
[17:47] <Froolap> might be a requirement for the a b b+ but not the 2B
[17:47] <Froolap> or vice versa
[17:47] <Tenkawa> ahh hhaaa
[17:47] <Tenkawa> my repo wasnt up to date
[17:47] <Tenkawa> now it is
[17:47] <Froolap> serious issues with version control there
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[17:49] <Tenkawa> ok.. compiling again
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[17:53] <Froolap> complaining again?
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[17:54] <Froolap> compiling and complaining is all the same thing for dyslexic.
[17:55] <TheLostAdmin> Back when I was a software developer, my compiling and the boss complaining was all the same thing because compiling happened on the desktop and ate all the system resources. Plus, it sometimes took a couple of hours. So ... 1/2 hour of coding, 2 hour coffee break.
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[17:58] <floralshoppe> why do you compile everything?
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[17:59] <floralshoppe> your software should follow unix philisophy at least that much that its modular enough to not compile the whole bazinga when you edit something
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[18:08] * Tenkawa has been doing code compiling since the 80s though
[18:09] <Tenkawa> some of us still enjoy it
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[18:13] <Tenkawa> then again i've had jobs where my entire job was to run builds and figure out how to make them easier and faster
[18:13] <Caver> make -j2 changed my life, once you got multiple core/cpu systems!
[18:14] <Tenkawa> -j x*cpucore*2 ftw
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[18:14] <Tenkawa> :)
[18:15] <Tenkawa> Caver: distcc is your friend too
[18:16] <Caver> heheh - oh well .. this was back in *ahem* 1996 or so
[18:16] <Tenkawa> heheh
[18:16] <Tenkawa> i remember those days well
[18:16] <Caver> I got me a Dual CPU, Pentium III 500MHz
[18:16] <Tenkawa> ooooh
[18:16] <Tenkawa> heehee
[18:16] <Tenkawa> i was using ncr microchanne
[18:17] <Tenkawa> l svr4 at that point
[18:17] <Caver> the co-worker envy was strong
[18:17] <Caver> these days your phone is multi-core!
[18:17] <Tenkawa> yep
[18:17] <Caver> or to be on topic .. your rPi is :)
[18:18] <Tenkawa> rpis are great because they can be made to be what you want
[18:18] <Tenkawa> not what someone else wants you to have
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[18:19] <Caver> well .. up to a point
[18:20] <Caver> I still like that the GPIO pins being on, was a BOM error
[18:20] <Tenkawa> heh
[18:22] <Tenkawa> i need food... afk for a bit
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[18:23] <Caver> enjoy
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[18:26] <Caver> ah no .. got my dates wrong .. was more like year 2000
[18:26] <Caver> anyway
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[18:28] <jer> Tenkawa, rpi can't be made to consume as little power as a cortex-m0 though which is what i want for one of my projects =p
[18:28] <jer> so there are limits of course =]
[18:31] <Tenkawa> true.. i'm talking functionality though.. not effuciency
[18:31] <Tenkawa> er efficiency
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[18:37] <McBride36> they don't consume THAT much power
[18:38] <Tenkawa> McBride36: my kernel compile on single rpi-b is done
[18:38] <Tenkawa> 306 modules in my buikd
[18:38] <Tenkawa> started it when we talked
[18:38] <Caver> :)
[18:39] <McBride36> not bad at all
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[18:39] <Tenkawa> indeed
[18:39] <Tenkawa> ok rebooting it to see if i messed it up
[18:39] <McBride36> you're running a very stripped down version though right?
[18:39] <Tenkawa> yes
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[18:40] <Tenkawa> 300 modules vs like 1200+ for the default config
[18:40] <Tenkawa> yay it worked :)
[18:41] <Caver> grins
[18:41] <McBride36> lol, that's pretty slim
[18:41] <Caver> so how long was that to compile?
[18:41] <Caver> and it was on multiple devices?
[18:42] <Tenkawa> McBride36: i hard compile some of the modules in
[18:42] <Tenkawa> Caver: hour.5 or so and only one unit
[18:44] <Caver> nod bad at all
[18:44] <Caver> and this is on a SD card file system
[18:44] <jer> McBride36, oh i know, but have very limited space available, and need much of the power for other devices. power budget is very strict.
[18:46] <Caver> beyond going for a rPi A, I don't think you can vary it's power usage lots can you? it doesn't have much in the way of power sleep states etc
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[18:48] <McBride36> sure you can
[18:48] <McBride36> unplug it
[18:48] <Caver> lol
[18:48] <Caver> thats less sleeping, and more .. smothering with the pillow
[18:48] <jer> lol
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[18:49] <Caver> though with the right hibination setup .. tis fine
[18:50] <Caver> I wonder if you could set the watchdog timer to have a really long interval .. on for 5 mins, then power off, then .. 30 mins later the HW watchdog resets
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[18:54] <maoi> well
[18:54] <maoi> I went with "buy another 220uf capacitor from radio shack and solder it onto the c6 pads"
[18:54] <maoi> it worked
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[18:56] <Caver> oh?
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[18:57] <maoi> I came in late last night asking if there was a way to jury rig c6
[18:57] <McBride36> yay python and pip works
[18:57] <Caver> oh right .. the original had come off
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[18:58] <maoi> oh, on a pi b (rev 1), for context
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[18:59] <McBride36> apt-get install deli-meats
[18:59] <Caver> wrong window ...
[19:00] <McBride36> oh right, i need deli-meats-dev too
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[19:00] <maoi> that's the packages with all the meats and cheeses in them, right?
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[19:00] <McBride36> yessir
[19:00] * Caver wonders just what's in your sources.list's
[19:00] <McBride36> and then you just go into python and type import lunch
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[19:06] <Tenkawa> of course now i really want to mess with 4.x however havent seen a good config for rpi2 yet
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[19:06] <Tenkawa> 4.x kernel that is
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[19:07] <Caver> most importantly of all - did you get the new logo to work?
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[19:07] <McBride36> me? no i just finished building python 3.4.3
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[19:08] <Caver> no Tenkawa
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[19:08] <Tenkawa> Caver: i wasnt working on logo
[19:08] <Tenkawa> that was McBride36
[19:08] <Caver> yeah I realised .. sorry .. got cnofused
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[19:09] <Tenkawa> heh np
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[19:22] <Tenkawa> woohoo
[19:22] <Tenkawa> no mods needed at all now
[19:22] <Tenkawa> er modules
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[19:25] <ShorTie> got it all compiled in, ah
[19:25] <Tenkawa> yep
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[19:27] <shiftplusone> New debugging toy http://pastebin.com/bWTzrLj2
[19:28] <Encrypt> Hello there o/
[19:28] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, You were talking about the Chip KickStarter campaign the other day
[19:28] <Caver> hi Encrypt
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[19:28] <Encrypt> Have you seen how much money they have currently rised? (O.O)
[19:29] <Encrypt> raised*
[19:29] <shiftplusone> just checked
[19:29] <shiftplusone> so... a fair bit
[19:29] <Tenkawa> brb... rebooting to new kern
[19:29] <Encrypt> Yes
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[19:29] <Encrypt> That's crazy
[19:29] <shiftplusone> yeah
[19:29] <shiftplusone> Good on them
[19:30] <shiftplusone> although that's money better spent on pis =P
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[19:31] <Tenkawa> all done :)
[19:31] <Caver> yay .. it workie?
[19:32] <Tenkawa> yep
[19:32] <Tenkawa> like i said.. i like working on kernels
[19:32] <Caver> excellent :)
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[19:33] <Caver> ponders makeing moduleless one for oldtimes sake
[19:33] <Caver> no initrd for me ...
[19:34] <Tenkawa> i still remember the 17-25 hour compile days
[19:34] <Tenkawa> Caver: i dont use initrd
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[19:34] <Caver> ditto!
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[19:43] <dob1> hi, i think i am asking too much, but rpi2 + raspbian boot on external hdd + postgres sql, for some private applications, too much for rpi2 ?
[19:43] <dob1> nothing apart the /boot on sd
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[19:45] <Froolap> That's what I'm doing.
[19:45] <dob1> really?
[19:45] <Froolap> no postgress, but yeah, I copied / from sd to usb drive and then edited the config to update the uuid
[19:46] <Froolap> also have to update fstab
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[19:46] <dob1> i know, i have an rpi b+ that i use in this way
[19:46] <dob1> but it can't handle postgres
[19:47] <Froolap> I didn't actually delete anything from / on the sd card, but it'as not being mounted any more.
[19:47] <dob1> maybe i ask on #postgres
[19:47] <Froolap> postgres is only a word to me, no idea what it is/.
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[19:48] <McBride36> sql basically
[19:49] <McBride36> and dob1 it should be fine
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[19:51] <dob1> McBride36, have you tried it?
[19:52] <McBride36> no
[19:52] <McBride36> i said should be, not that it is
[19:53] <dob1> on blogs/tutorial all what i read about database/rpi is sqlite
[19:54] <ShorTie> pi ain't no super computer
[19:54] <ShorTie> it's a KISS thing
[19:55] <dob1> i see :)
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[19:56] <Froolap> I don't know about that. it's a computer that gets me on irc and I think that's super.
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[20:15] <jigsawFE> hi does 1,8A sufficie for the pi's psu?
[20:16] <TheLostAdmin> jigsawFE, I'm using 1.8A cell phone chargers and have for over a year to power my Pis. No problems so far.
[20:16] <jigsawFE> ty
[20:16] <TheLostAdmin> The last time I looked at the Pi website, 1A was sufficient but 2A or more recommended so that there was enough power for the USB ports.
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[20:18] <jigsawFE> got this http://www.amazon.de/Aufladeger%C3%A4t-Ladeger%C3%A4te-Smartphones-Bluetooth-Lautsprecher/dp/B0091CJQMQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1431541108&sr=8-5&keywords=5v+micro+usb
[20:19] <jigsawFE> .. but its micro usb plug is too small and thus too lose
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[20:27] <Froolap> that and the prongs are all wrong to plug into the wall and the description is in german or dutch or some funny language.
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[20:27] <Froolap> <---= dumb headed american.
[20:31] <ppq> the .de TLD gives a clue though
[20:31] <ppq> ;)
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[20:32] <Froolap> denver?
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[20:33] <TheLostAdmin> no silly, Detroit!
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[20:56] <Rex123> hey guys
[20:58] <Rex123> i have an arduino connected via USB to my pi, its currently dev/ttyACM0, how can I change it to ttyACM1 or some custom name?
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[21:00] <shiftplusone> a custom udev rule
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[21:00] <Rex123> whats that shiftplusone?
[21:01] <shiftplusone> For you to find out, grasshopper
[21:01] <shiftplusone> (I'm too lazy to google right now)
[21:01] <Froolap> difficulty level beyond infinite.
[21:01] <Rex123> thank you for reminding me the joy is in the journey, sensai
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[21:02] <Rex123> watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPIe7Vc2Eqw
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[21:08] <Rex123> i did
[21:08] <Rex123> mkdir -m 777 /usb
[21:08] <Rex123> now im about to
[21:09] <Rex123> vi /etc/
[21:09] <Rex123> sorry
[21:09] <Rex123> vi /etc/fstab
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[21:09] <Rex123> is that ok?
[21:10] <Rex123> to mount the arduino
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[21:19] <SineDeviance> Hey guys! Question
[21:19] <Froolap> oh yeah, maybe I should run ircd on my pi
[21:19] <SineDeviance> Today I need to build/configure four Pi 2s
[21:20] <SineDeviance> If I build the first one then use clonezilla or similar to clone the SD card, am I likely to run into serious problems on the other three?
[21:21] <Froolap> are all the sd cards identical? size?
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[21:21] <SineDeviance> Yeah they're all 8gig. We bought four canna kits
[21:22] <Froolap> are you installing the first image in linux, or windows?
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[21:22] <SineDeviance> Pi's can run Windows now?
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[21:22] <Froolap> no, but you can write the image file onto sd in windows.
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[21:23] <SineDeviance> Ah, I see. Well I have to build the first system manually, but after that I will probably boot clonezilla live to do the cloning
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[21:24] <Froolap> how do you intend to build the system manually?
[21:24] <Froolap> how does the system get onto the card???
[21:24] <SineDeviance> Froolap: the SD cards come loaded with PiNoob or whatever. I'm gonna use that to install Raspbian
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[21:25] <Froolap> good luck
[21:25] <SineDeviance> ?
[21:26] <SineDeviance> Is there some problem with that method I'm not aware of?
[21:26] <Froolap> you aren't going to have a desktop computer involved in setting up the pi, then it will likely be difficult to mount 2 sd cards on the same pi to be able to clone
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[21:27] <SineDeviance> Froolap: my thinkpad has an SD slot built in
[21:27] <SineDeviance> I'll be cloning the cards on that
[21:28] <SineDeviance> I'm just asking if cloning a pi install will break it, that's all
[21:29] <Froolap> depends on if you know what you are doing, but considering that you haven't written an image to sd card before and expierence isn't a factor....
[21:30] <Froolap> i.e. I can't help you with that method, good luck.
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[21:30] <SineDeviance> Froolap: so it's not the same as cloning a regular HDD? Because I've done that hundreds of times.
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[21:31] <SineDeviance> Ah I see, you can just use Win32DiskImager to do it. That's even better.
[21:32] <Rex123> sudo mount /dev/ttyACM0 /media/usb
[21:32] <Rex123> mount: /dev/ttyACM0 is not a block device
[21:32] <Rex123> wtf
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[21:33] <pksato> Rex123: you trying to destroy the Universe? :)
[21:33] <Rex123> of course!
[21:34] <Rex123> so my Pi doesnt know the arduino file system or something?
[21:35] <Froolap> Rex123: let me know if it works and you actually destroy the universe.
[21:35] <Froolap> the tty is a terminal, not a drive
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[21:36] <Rex123> i see
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[21:36] <Froolap> you probably want something like cifs of nfs
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[21:37] <Rex123> i found a different guide http://docs.brewpi.com/advanced-setups/multiple-arduinos-single-rpi.html
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[22:02] <Tenkawa> wow.. battery is already charged and reast
[22:02] <Tenkawa> er ready
[22:02] <Tenkawa> too bad the rpi doesnt have battery sensors on it
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[22:04] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Does the Dev Kit for the Compute module only serve as a port replicator?
[22:04] * lupine pokes his pi2, wonders if he can find an SD card writer
[22:04] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Or are there actually chips and whatnot on the dev kit board
[22:05] <Tenkawa> lupine: thats why i keep a usb one hand
[22:05] <Froolap> in a way it does, if you want to tinker.....
[22:05] <Tenkawa> er handy
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[22:06] <Tenkawa> Froolap: was that directed to me?
[22:06] <Tenkawa> if so is it an sbs type?
[22:06] <lupine> mm, I'm currently seeing if the phone will act as one :D
[22:06] <Froolap> you could hook the battery up to a relay that requires 5v, and then hook the relay to gpio pins, as long as the relay is closed then the battery has power, when the relay opens then it's time to shut down.
[22:07] <Tenkawa> ahh
[22:07] <Tenkawa> yeah
[22:07] <Froolap> may be an awkward way of doing things and you might have to try a few different ralays till you get one that opens when you want it to....
[22:07] <Tenkawa> this is still way neat either way
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[22:08] <Encapsulation> to use a normal switch with the pi do I just switch 3.3v into one of the gpio set as input and read its state
[22:08] <Tenkawa> going to check next if i can be powering up the battery charging the whole time and then have it just be a ups
[22:09] <Tenkawa> its physicly possible.. just dont want to mess it up
[22:09] <lupine> ugh, mtp
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[22:10] <Froolap> you will want something that prevents the pi from over charging the battery and charges the battery for it's type of chemistry.... some require constand voltage while others require constant current, in either event voltage is usually greater than battery voltage to induce positive flow into the battery
[22:11] <Tenkawa> its got 2 feeds
[22:11] <Tenkawa> one in and one out
[22:12] <Froolap> yeah, sounds like it might require a ballance charger that makes sure all cells in the battery are equallt charged
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[22:12] <Tenkawa> will have to see if i can get its soecs
[22:12] <wiiguy> question, can a i put a raspberry pi 2 sd card in a rpi1 ?
[22:12] <Tenkawa> er specs
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[22:13] <Froolap> wiiguy: that's a trick question
[22:13] <Spicyram3n> Hello IRC
[22:13] <wiiguy> how so ?
[22:14] <Tenkawa> Spicyram3n: greetings
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[22:15] <Froolap> as I recall the pi A and B make use of physically larger sd cards while the B+ and 2B make use of physically smaller cards... if the cards are physically the same size then you can use either card in either pi, but that doesn't mean that the os will boot
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[22:16] <wiiguy> yes the rpi1 use a sd card while the rpi2 use microsd
[22:16] <wiiguy> but i have a sd card adapter
[22:16] <wiiguy> i guess i can just try
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[22:17] <Froolap> wiiguy: It really depends on which os/image you are using as the kernel is different between the B+ and the 2B..... but some images account for that by including both kernels.
[22:17] <wiiguy> im just using standard rasbian
[22:17] <wiiguy> raspbian
[22:17] <Froolap> wiiguy: so the definitive answer to your question is a profound.... MAYBE
[22:17] <wiiguy> ok
[22:17] <wiiguy> guess i will amke a img backed then just try
[22:17] <wiiguy> beackup*
[22:18] <wiiguy> backup*****
[22:18] <wiiguy> thnaks for the answer Froolap
[22:18] <wiiguy> answers*
[22:18] <Froolap> well it depends on which version of raspbarian and how old it is and if it's a version that included both kernels
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[22:19] <wiiguy> i installed it before teh raspberry 2 came out
[22:19] <wiiguy> but i update teh kernel quite often
[22:19] <Froolap> then it likely doesn't include both kernels as it took a few days after release before the inages were updated
[22:19] <wiiguy> hmmm ok
[22:20] <wiiguy> either way thanks :)
[22:20] <Froolap> you can try it, it will either boot or it won't. I doubt that it's likely that the attempt would damage your card
[22:20] <Froolap> or the os on the card
[22:21] <wiiguy> meh i will make a image backup either way :p
[22:21] <wiiguy> just incape i break the micro sd card
[22:21] <wiiguy> incase
[22:21] <Froolap> can't hurt, if you have the space to make a backup.
[22:21] <wiiguy> always :)
[22:21] <Tenkawa> backups?? w
[22:22] <wiiguy> yes Tenkawa
[22:22] <Froolap> but yeah I gotta say it would be cool if you had one card that just worked in either pi.
[22:22] <Tenkawa> haahaa
[22:22] <Tenkawa> wiiguy: i'm kidding
[22:22] <Tenkawa> Froolap: you can
[22:22] <Froolap> but I suspect that if you ever compile anything on the pi, then what you compiled would only work on the pi it was compiled on.
[22:22] <wiiguy> gonna try tomorrow when im done setting everythign up :)
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[22:22] <Tenkawa> one uses kernel.img and one uses kernel7.img i think
[22:22] <wiiguy> hmmm good point
[22:23] <wiiguy> meh either way tomorrow i will find out :)
[22:23] <Tenkawa> depending on which cpu i think it has
[22:23] <Tenkawa> heheg
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[22:23] <Tenkawa> good luck
[22:23] <wiiguy> thanks
[22:23] * Tenkawa notes he is a kernel geek
[22:24] <Tenkawa> well thats weird
[22:24] <Froolap> but you will likely want to have both pi running at the same time because it's cool to have a computer stack on top of your desktop. :)
[22:24] <Tenkawa> my speakers went out for a few on my ipad
[22:25] <Tenkawa> darn lag
[22:25] <Tenkawa> was stopping playback
[22:25] <Tenkawa> heheheheh
[22:25] <wiiguy> ya broke it !!!
[22:25] <Tenkawa> indeed
[22:26] <Tenkawa> i have the abilit
[22:26] <Tenkawa> y
[22:26] <wiiguy> i once broke a whole pc just by looking at it ...
[22:26] <wiiguy> well i broke the windows
[22:26] <wiiguy> and i was not looking at it
[22:26] <wiiguy> i was formatting it
[22:26] <Tenkawa> Oh
[22:26] <wiiguy> and it was not at home
[22:26] <Froolap> Tenkawa: good, would you like to compile a fedora kernel for my banana pi?
[22:26] <wiiguy> it was ina store
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[22:27] <Tenkawa> Froolap: is something wrong?
[22:27] <Tenkawa> i dont have a bpi build env setup
[22:27] <Froolap> heh..... that's a long story.....
[22:27] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[22:28] <supersmilers> Hi. How is it easy to install kodi from retropie? I'm downloading RetroPie v3 beta 2...
[22:28] <wiiguy> rettropie has a option to install kodi
[22:28] <wiiguy> so quite easy
[22:28] <Froolap> the original os I got for the banana was doing odd things upon boot. nano edita, then yum installs and then deleting user and yum logs......
[22:28] <wiiguy> just select it and it will install
[22:29] <Tenkawa> oh wow it feels so nice out today
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[22:29] <supersmilers> ok. I just curious because it takes so long to compile retroPie from plain raspbian...
[22:30] <wiiguy> 10 hours
[22:30] <wiiguy> 10-14 hours
[22:30] <Froolap> I suspect that each boot it was installing some trojan...... I did a fight with it and kept the uboot and installed fedora arm and replaced the kernel but now I don't have any gui/hdmi.
[22:30] <Tenkawa> thats all?
[22:30] <Tenkawa> i use to run 20+ hour kernel compiles
[22:30] <Tenkawa> Froolap: i've never been a big fan of fedora
[22:31] <Froolap> smile
[22:31] <Tenkawa> or anything rpm based
[22:31] <Tenkawa> its all slack or deb for me
[22:32] <Froolap> I can live with it..... it's hard to tell who really is the official support for the banana and if you dig into it you find reference to lawsuits and cease/desist orders.....
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[22:32] <Tenkawa> ouch
[22:32] <Froolap> so I suspect that the first banana image that I got was the result of internal conflict.
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[22:33] <supersmilers> Anyway, I guess that's due to cpu limitation of Pi's? I thought most of time regular desktop compiles stuff like retropie in like few hours because cpu's goes like 2.4GHz where's Pi's goes up to 1.5 GHz. Am I right?
[22:34] <wiiguy> ...
[22:34] <wiiguy> rpi has standard 700mhz
[22:34] <wiiguy> rpi2 has 900mhz x4
[22:34] <wiiguy> i guess you can overclock it to 1.5ghz
[22:34] <Froolap> I did about 6 months later get another fedora image for the banana where I didn't notice the odd things during boot.... I don't know if that means it's clean or if they just did a better job of cleaning up their tracks, but it works and I don't trust it on a network with internet access.
[22:34] <wiiguy> with ultra cololing
[22:35] <wiiguy> cooling
[22:35] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> For a CCTV monitor, do I *really* need a rPi 2B? I'm going to be purchasing in small bulk (20 or so) and need to save costs
[22:35] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> s/monitor/camera
[22:35] <SineDeviance> supersmilers: compiling a distro from scratch takes ages on any machine, really
[22:35] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> I mean, streaming 1080p30 would be cool, but I'm not sure if a 2B is needed to do that
[22:35] <SineDeviance> Back in the day gentoo would sometimes take days to compile
[22:36] <Froolap> hmmwhatsthisdo|W: I'm not sure what you are asking or how the pi would fit into it.
[22:37] <Froolap> small bulk of 20 or so what???? cameras, pi?
[22:37] <SineDeviance> hmmwhatsthisdo|W: for the pi2 b, 1080p30 is about as good as you'll get without an overclock. People say it can do 1080p60 overclocked.
[22:37] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Froolap: I see a lot of implementations of rPis being used as security cameras - is the Model 2 B the only board with the power needed to stream a camera feed at 1080p30 with ffmpeg or something similar?
[22:38] <SineDeviance> hmmwhatsthisdo|W: I think the pi2 model A will also do it?
[22:38] <SineDeviance> But generally, yes, you want a pi2
[22:38] <doomlord> anyone here tried the imagination mips based pi competitor?
[22:38] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> SineDeviance: 30 is all I need, this is for monitoring a room and it'll probably be in 15fps most of the time to save bandwidth
[22:39] <SineDeviance> hmmwhatsthisdo|W: well I just know that the pi2 has a hardware video decoder. I'm not sure the pi1 had it
[22:39] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> SineDeviance: Do they even have a 2A?
[22:39] <supersmilers> I guess. Anyway, how is it easy to make FTC (first robotics competition) robot out of RPi 2? I heard First moved away from NXT to Android (ARM [architecture version unknown]). They are pretty much standardizing Java for Android for those robots.
[22:39] <SineDeviance> I dunno man. We just use them for media displays
[22:39] <Froolap> if you are wanting to build the security camera then yes you will need a pi for each camera, but I'm not sure that the pi really has what it takes to deliver that stream in whatever format that you choose.....
[22:39] <SineDeviance> ^
[22:40] <SineDeviance> Yeah... You'll be wanting h264 on the pi.
[22:40] <SineDeviance> Anything else, forget it
[22:40] <wiiguy> Model A+ continues to be the $20 entry-level Raspberry Pi for the time being. Although the new board is called Raspberry Pi 2 Model B, we have no plans to introduce a Raspberry Pi 2 Model A before the end of 2015.
[22:40] <wiiguy> so no rpi 2a yet
[22:40] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> SineDeviance: How is h264 bandwidth-wise?
[22:40] <SineDeviance> wiiguy: ahh. Well that answers that :)
[22:40] <wiiguy> google telsl all
[22:40] <wiiguy> tells
[22:41] <doomlord> i still want a more premium arm machine, but i'm told you start paying for arm vs x86 above a certain level
[22:41] <SineDeviance> hmmwhatsthisdo|W: whatever you want it to be. You can do a 2000kbps stream at low quality or a 7000kbps stream at a higher quality. Or anything in between
[22:41] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> our building has gigabit, but I don't want to saturate the recording server with feeds
[22:41] <Froolap> hmmwhatsthisdo|W: if you are looking at 20 or so cameras I think you could find off the shelf cameras that are cheaer with more features than what you would spend on the pi, plus camera, plus building a housing for the pi+camera, and then trying to figure out how the pi is going to send that video to something else that will record.
[22:42] <SineDeviance> doomlord: that's true, yeah. Consider that you can get a mini itx board with one of those quad core atoms for like $150
[22:42] <SineDeviance> At that price x86 is the winner for compatibility reasons imo
[22:42] <SineDeviance> If size is important, the pi wins
[22:43] <supersmilers> It would be cool to have RPi robot. Well, I guess I could try my hand in making competition robot (demo) with RPi, bluetooth/WiFiDirect dongle, and rooted Android device to control the robot via xbox controllers
[22:43] <Froolap> are the cameras all going to be inside... or outside?
[22:43] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Froolap: a 16-camera DVR with the features my office wants is something like $3.5k, I figured if we could get cameras for ~$100 we might be able to undercut that and make it relatively easy to scale
[22:43] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Froolap: inside
[22:44] <Froolap> hmm look into blueiris
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[22:44] <lupine> hehehehehe. it doesn't boot if I copy the riscos stuff onto the sd card via mtp
[22:44] <doomlord> is an rpi enough to contorl a robot, do you need an arduino too (i'm told the rpi can't do realtime control, which seems disapointing considering everything it can do)
[22:44] <lupine> can't imagine why :D
[22:45] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Froolap: looks OK, but some people say they want to be able to view their own office's camera feeds (because sitting at the front desk is apparently too hard XD) and so we might have to go in-house on the server
[22:46] <Froolap> blueiris includes it's own web server so you can view from remote
[22:46] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> with access control?
[22:46] <Froolap> yup
[22:47] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Integration with AD/LDAP?
[22:47] <Froolap> I don't know if it's user-per camera access, but you can create users and passwords that are required to connect to the web server
[22:47] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> ah
[22:47] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> ...yeah that might be an issue
[22:48] <Spicyram3n> The RPi 2 should be powerful enough
[22:48] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> some of our cameras in secured areas (server rooms, etc.) and we don't want people looking around in those
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[22:49] <supersmilers> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuZiDPa8Rjk is what I found. I just wondering since the new platform move is for next year competition, what if I unofficially use RPi 2 for the robot brain + aurdino on robot and a rooted android device.
[22:49] <Froolap> look into it, they have a place to ask quiestions.... only of the features that I like best is the ability to start recording before motion is detected so you can compensate for the camera and network lag in detectiong motion
[22:49] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> hm
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[22:49] <Froolap> without the capture before alert you often start recording just after the subject has left the area
[22:50] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> so would that work with the h264 stream from an rPi, or are you suggesting off-the-shelf stuff?
[22:51] <Froolap> i use off the shelf stuff. $45 for a camera is cheaper than the pi, plus sd plus power plus camera, etc
[22:51] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> fair
[22:51] <Froolap> and the 45 dollar camera has pan/tilt and audio
[22:51] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> ...I didn't even realize you could find sec cameras for $45
[22:51] <Froolap> no zoom
[22:51] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> PoE too?
[22:51] <Froolap> No, it'sw not poe, it's wireless or cat5.
[22:52] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> (enabling PoE on a port here is trivial, running 120vAC or DC isn't)
[22:52] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> damn
[22:52] <Froolap> at least the one that I have. I avoided poe due to the warning of running poe cables through walls would be a fire hazzard.
[22:52] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> ...what?
[22:52] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> that's absurd
[22:53] <Froolap> I was seeing that warning on both the cameras and sources for the poe cables....
[22:53] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> dafuq
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[22:53] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> that's ridiculous, we do it here with no issue whatsoever
[22:53] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> pretty sure phone lines in a ringing state carry more current than PoE at its highest DC voltage
[22:53] <Froolap> Yeah, I have a hard time seeing it as a fire hazzard, but when you see the warnings in enough places it makes you wonder.
[22:54] <Froolap> I suppose a 12v 1a direct short could do it, the wires will get hot.
[22:54] <Froolap> too hot for you to want to touch
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[22:55] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> PoE is max 48v 400mA = 15.4W
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[22:56] <supersmilers> booted up retro pie
[22:56] <Froolap> but hey, at least you have more options on the table to consider.... and if you want to get into an off the shelf dvr-camera bundle, look into how much it would cost to add or replace cameras because they aren't as interchangable as they lead you to believe.
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[22:57] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> yeah, I was trying to convince my boss^2 to consider an in-house option
[22:57] <Froolap> and when you find out that adding a pan/tile camera is going to cost $800, then that 8 camera dvr that supports 16 cameras that you paid $300 for isn't such a bargin
[22:58] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> (just because our current system is from 95 and only does 320p on a system we cannot replace because of hardware encryption)
[22:59] <Froolap> yeah, the cameras communicate with the dvr using their onw protocol, they aren't real interchangable.... some are, but most are a trap.
[22:59] <supersmilers> How do i enable wifi on retropie?
[22:59] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> Froolap: what model are you using?
[22:59] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> I'll see if there's a PoE version
[22:59] <Froolap> model of what?
[22:59] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> PTZ cam
[22:59] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> or I guess PT
[23:01] <Froolap> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0054TY2QA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[23:02] <Froolap> It's weak on the ir lights, but it can make use of the ir from my foscam cameras which works REALLY well.
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[23:03] <Froolap> with it's built in ir it can see about 10 feet, but with the foscam pointing in the same general direction it can see clearly across the street.
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[23:03] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> honestly all of the rooms these will be in have 24/7 lighting
[23:03] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> does it have a wall/ceiling mount?
[23:04] <Froolap> then ir isn't an issue. smile
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[23:04] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> ...is there a 1080p model?
[23:04] <Froolap> yeah, I hsve mine wall mounted, you could do ceiling and then invert the image
[23:04] <Froolap> dunno. I just wanted to see who was knocking on my door.
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[23:06] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> ...and of course as soon as I say 1080p the price goes up to $500/cam lol
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[23:07] <Froolap> I doubt that, browse around for ip cam and see what you find
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[23:08] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> ah, a trendnet model for 170, much better
[23:08] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> but trendnet
[23:08] <Froolap> I can't say anything good or bad about this, but this was my first hit on ip cam 1080p
[23:08] <Froolap> http://www.amazon.com/Midas-Link-CCTV-ML-203W-G-Surveillance-Weatherproof/dp/B00T5JEMYW/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1431551263&sr=1-3&keywords=ip+cam+1080p
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[23:09] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> no PTZ, but it's an option
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[23:15] <supersmilers> How do I configure Wifi from console on retropie?
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[23:16] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> lol, mentioned a 1080p PTZ+PoE IP camera
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[23:16] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> boss looked at the price and was like "jesus tapdancing christ that's expensive"
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[23:17] <supersmilers> I don't have desktop mode on retropie v3
[23:17] <Froolap> supersmilers: I don't know about retro but the command should be nmcli if your os supports it.
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[23:18] <supersmilers> nope. command not found
[23:18] <Froolap> on raspbarian the version of network manager is too old to support connecting NEW wifi from commandline though it still has nmcli
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[23:19] <Froolap> it will connect pre configured connections from command line but not establish a first time connection
[23:19] <supersmilers> I guess v3 isn't based on raspbian, just pure retropie
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[23:20] <Froolap> I don't know anything about retropi or it's package handler but you will want to find which package provides/includes nmcli
[23:20] <supersmilers> I guess I'll try v2.6
[23:20] <Froolap> nmcli is network manager command line interface
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[23:21] <supersmilers> geez. it gonna take 22 min to download retropie
[23:22] <wiiguy> how big is retropie ?
[23:22] <supersmilers> 569 MB
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[23:22] <wiiguy> and that takes 22 min ?
[23:22] <supersmilers> yes. on my end
[23:22] <Froolap> sounds like 300k per second
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[23:24] <wiiguy> if it would download with me with full speed it would take 43 seconds
[23:24] <hmmwhatsthisdo|W> how hard is it to do PoE with an rPi?
[23:24] <Froolap> I think you would melt the pi
[23:24] <wiiguy> dont think it is possible
[23:25] <wiiguy> peo ios not supported by to pi
[23:25] <wiiguy> poe
[23:25] <supersmilers> pretty much. I used to have 52MB/sec. now its less than 1MB/sec. at least it's not 1990's with 56k modems
[23:25] <wiiguy> :p
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[23:26] <shauno> you can do poe with a splitter, but it's not very cost-effective
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[23:29] <supersmilers> Well, I could say "Thanks CrapCast for cable internet". they promise us limit of 10 device for our modem. I guess its pretty much limit of 5 devices to stay at 52MB/sec on our end.
[23:30] <supersmilers> Oh well.
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[23:30] <devster31> hi, I'm getting a consistent "cannot allocate memory", how can I solve it?
[23:31] <Froolap> that's why I bought a second router so that the cable router is only aware of one device and doesn't throttle bandwidth across the lan.
[23:31] <Froolap> devster31: how did you create that situation?
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[23:32] <devster31> I think it's cause of a nginx request
[23:32] <devster31> memory is over
[23:32] <Froolap> I'm looking at something and I think it's green. what is it? please help
[23:32] <lupine> god, I'm good
[23:32] <Froolap> lol
[23:33] <lupine> noobs copied to sd card over MTP actually works
[23:33] <lupine> it has no right to. none at all, I say
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[23:34] <Froolap> it only works till you try to write on the 7th file
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[23:34] <Froolap> once you use 1 meg more of drive space than is currently in use then the file system will corrupt.
[23:35] <Froolap> I'm joking...... but I have seen things like that happen.
[23:35] <lupine> yeah, I am generally sceptical of MTP
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[23:36] <lupine> most recent version of nautilus actually seems able to talk it though
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[23:36] <Froolap> especially on sd cards that have been repartitioned to show that they are a larger capacity than it actually is.
[23:36] <supersmilers> I have the gateway internet/phone modem bridged to ASUS' dual-band wifi router and connected Blu-ray player and Sonos Bridge, and my family's win7 desktop straight to wifi-router, and my cable outlet gliches out out OnDemand TV shows on cable tv.
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[23:37] <supersmilers> maybe my cable outlet is faulty?
[23:37] <Froolap> I've seen 8 gig thumb drives that fdisk reports as being 64 gigs. works fine till yo go past real capacity
[23:37] <RoBo_V> hey guys trying netcat command internally in RPi but time out http://pastebin.com/RC9TY3wR
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[23:44] <SineDeviance> hmm
[23:44] <SineDeviance> i am having a strange issue. i have setup tightvncserver to run at boot time via init.d script
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[23:45] <SineDeviance> it works on display :1, but now the xserver on the TV does not auto-login
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[23:54] <Spicyram3n> I really want a rpi2, but I don't want to have to but a new sd card ;_;
[23:54] <Spicyram3n> I have a 64gb card in my rpi 1
[23:54] <SineDeviance> so ... i cannot login AT ALL now.
[23:54] <McBride36> Spicyram3n, a new card to use is like...15 bucks max
[23:54] <SineDeviance> if i do login as pi user with correct password, the login screen just flickers and restarts
[23:55] <SineDeviance> broken xsession?
[23:55] * m1nus (~m1nus@pool-71-114-192-109.hstntx.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:56] * pksato (~PEBKAC@unaffiliated/pksato) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:56] * AbouEmre (~Thunderbi@ Quit (Read error: No route to host)
[23:56] * AbouEmre (~Thunderbi@ has joined #raspberrypi
[23:56] * chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:58] * mimer (~Mimer@unaffiliated/mimer) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)

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