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IRC Log for 2015-05-14

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[0:05] <NedScott> Spicyram3n: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171781778535
[0:05] <NedScott> :D
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[0:06] * lupine installs riscos for a playh
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[0:13] <KD7JWC> could someone explain for me if there is a way to create and img of only the used area of my memroy card? is that possible, i wantto make animage to upload but the memry card is a 16gb and thats not going to work?
[0:13] <SineDeviance> Is there any way to make omxplayer play a video to the console displayed over HDMI at boot time?
[0:13] <lupine> BBC BASIC
[0:13] <lupine> It's like being a child again
[0:13] <ToRA_> so, i have some raspberry pi's running this digital signage OS (binaryemotions.com) which is just a modified raspbian, but this certain webpage is VERY slow. is there a way i can speed it up? accessing this page is this pi's ONLY job
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[0:14] <SineDeviance> ToRA_: yeah, there is. Make a video of your thing, and use omxplayer to loop it. That's what we're doing.
[0:14] <SineDeviance> The pi is not a good choice for web-based animations, etx
[0:14] <SineDeviance> Etc*
[0:15] <SineDeviance> It's just not powerful enough
[0:15] <ToRA_> yeah
[0:15] <ToRA_> well, it's not just showing a webpage
[0:15] <ToRA_> it's an online waiver signing service
[0:15] <ToRA_> ezwaiver.com
[0:16] <Froolap> KD7JWC: good question.... I don't know.
[0:16] <SineDeviance> ToRA_: ahh. In that case I'd use something more powerful. For the interactive displays we're using low-cost PCs running on AMD APUs and they do the trick nicely
[0:16] <ToRA_> KD7JWC: if you find an answer, i would love to know
[0:16] <antivirtel> hello all! can I add domains also to my rpc-whitelist setting in Transmission? I have dyn. DNS, and I want to add that domain along with my LAN addr.
[0:16] <ToRA_> SineDeviance: we have some old PC's running a porteus live CD doing the same thing, but we bought some pi's to replace them
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[0:17] <SineDeviance> ToRA_: you can even set it up so that chrome will automatically open the site and go fullscreen mode on boot
[0:17] <ToRA_> i guess i'll just have to get in touch with EZ waiver and beg them to make a lighter page
[0:17] <ToRA_> it's just that those PC
[0:17] <SineDeviance> ToRA_: hah. Good luck with that.
[0:17] <ToRA_> it's just that those PC's are large and bulky and use a lot of power
[0:17] <ToRA_> and a live CD just sucks for stability
[0:18] <SineDeviance> Yes, but that's the cost of doing business. And we don't use live CDs, we use 32gig SSDs
[0:18] <SineDeviance> The cost for our build is like $180 shipped
[0:18] <SineDeviance> It doesn't use a lot of energy either
[0:18] <SineDeviance> 130w or somesuch
[0:19] <SineDeviance> That's the max TDP
[0:19] <ToRA_> do you think a raspi2 would handle it?
[0:19] <SineDeviance> ToRA_: nope. We tried, it's sluggish as all hell
[0:19] <ToRA_> i see
[0:19] <SineDeviance> Anything to do with modern web is not the pi's domain
[0:19] <ToRA_> did you happen to try an odroid?
[0:19] <SineDeviance> You simply need more oomph
[0:20] <ToRA_> really, the web page is just badly designed
[0:20] <SineDeviance> Odroid? We did not, but our package doesn't work on WebKit
[0:20] <SineDeviance> It requires full HTML 5, so we use chrome
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[0:20] <ToRA_> it has pictures it 'rotates' through, and when you click "continue" it keeps rotating through the images in the background
[0:20] <ToRA_> just really bad web design
[0:21] <ToRA_> you can see for yourself: angelfireresort.com/waiver-kiosk
[0:22] <ToRA_> it takes a while to load on my computer i am on now, which has 12gb ram and an i7pro cpu
[0:22] <SineDeviance> Yeah
[0:22] <SineDeviance> Well consider this
[0:23] <SineDeviance> The pi2 is sluggish even loading google searches on iceweasel
[0:23] <SineDeviance> Anything using css3/HTML5 is pretty much a no-go
[0:23] <ToRA_> i see
[0:23] <SineDeviance> Anything older will work, but don't expect smooth playback :)
[0:24] <SineDeviance> It's much easier to just cut at 1080p60 loop and run that instead. Works smoothly, doesn't use a lot of juice, etc
[0:24] <ToRA_> well, apparently my coworker works closely with the devs of ezwaiver.com, so perhaps we can sell them on an idea of selling a rpi waiver computer for low costs
[0:24] <SineDeviance> Er 1080p30* my phone autocorrected. Lol.
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[0:25] <ToRA_> since, they would need to rework their page to make a "mobile" version
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[0:35] <Spicyram3n> Did they ever switch Netflix to HTML5 and can you watch Netflix on Pi2?
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[0:36] <ToRA_> Spicyram3n: no, you cant watch netflix on a pi
[0:36] <Spicyram3n> Is it Linux? I know Linux and Netflix don't agree very well
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[0:37] <ToRA_> Spicyram3n: raspberry pi's?
[0:37] <ToRA_> yeah... it's linux
[0:38] <Spicyram3n> I know that RPi is Linux... I'm wondering if that's the reason
[0:38] <ToRA_> that is part of it, yes
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[0:38] <Spicyram3n> Made sense in my head xD
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[0:40] <ToRA_> i make cents in my head
[0:40] <Spicyram3n> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=98559
[0:40] <ToRA_> yeah, i already read that page
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[0:43] <supersmilers> what year is it?! I haven't seen NOOBS being updated to 1.4.1 What changed between 1.4.0 and 1.4.1?
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[0:44] <supersmilers> anyone?
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[0:47] <supersmilers> ok. I guess nothing changed..
[0:48] <supersmilers> I think I gave up on getting retropie to work properly
[0:49] <supersmilers> its pretty quiet in here
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[0:54] <supersmilers> *pokes this channel*
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[0:55] <supersmilers> Oh Well. I'm going back to raspbian
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[0:58] <supersmilers> Is it me or I can't see any other chats other than my own messages
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[0:58] <aurorauser> Question, I am currently running RetroPie on my RasPi B+ and I am currently running an apt-get upgrade to install all of the latest packages
[0:59] <aurorauser> I also just bought a RasPi 2, should I be able to just plug in the SD card and go?
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[0:59] <supersmilers> no. you have to change kernel to do that
[1:00] <aurorauser> so just make a new sd card
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[1:00] <supersmilers> just back RPI version up then copy over your data to RPi2 version
[1:02] <aurorauser> well, I can just synchronize the roms folders
[1:02] <aurorauser> since all the save data is stored in there as well
[1:02] <supersmilers> yea. use a HDD for that
[1:02] <aurorauser> i can just do it over the network
[1:02] <SineDeviance> yay, i got our system all setup! now i just have to add the VPN stuff when we get that server running and it should be all gravy
[1:03] <supersmilers> I used to use retropie but it broke on my end.
[1:03] <aurorauser> what happened?
[1:04] <aurorauser> its ran pretty flawless for me in regards to NES, Sega, Gameboy and SNES games
[1:04] <supersmilers> I couldn't set Wifi at all. It won't connect via eth0 or wlan0
[1:04] <aurorauser> did you edit the /etc/network/interfaces file?
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[1:05] <supersmilers> I tried but it times out the display.
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[1:05] <aurorauser> times out the display?
[1:05] <aurorauser> what do you have it connected to?
[1:06] <hosler> i just installed maynard via git and maynard just starts weston and thats it. no shell or anything
[1:06] <supersmilers> it blacked out. I have it connected to my HDTV. But I can't wake up the GUI
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[1:08] <aurorauser> it should just be a command line, no?
[1:08] <aurorauser> mine loads right into emulationstation, and then I just quit to shell
[1:08] <codebam> whats a safe amount to OC the rpi2? I have it at 700mhz right now.
[1:09] <aurorauser> I got mine OC'd to 1.25Ghz
[1:09] <aurorauser> or 1
[1:09] <aurorauser> I forgot lol
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[1:09] <aurorauser> but I got one of those heatsinks on it
[1:09] <hosler> why no maynard work. oh well. ill try orbital next
[1:09] <supersmilers> It just time out after like 20 secs right in middle of my work editing the Network config file
[1:09] <codebam> aurorauser: hmm. how much could I do without a fan or heatsink?
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[1:10] <aurorauser> codebam: safely, I'd say 800-900
[1:10] <aurorauser> honestly, the heatsinks are dirt cheap
[1:10] <aurorauser> http://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Heatsink-set-Raspberry-Pi/dp/B00A88DVTG
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[1:10] <aurorauser> for 2
[1:10] <ozzzy> and don't make a damn bit of difference
[1:10] <codebam> I should get one. it probably wouldnt fit inside my case though.
[1:11] <aurorauser> ozzzy: I disagree, I had mine overclocked and was playing snes games on it without the heatsink and the audio started fucking up and what not
[1:11] <aurorauser> as soon as I put the heatsink on, everything ran fine
[1:12] <ozzzy> I ran both my Bs with and without with no change in temp
[1:12] <ozzzy> now... both were in small cases
[1:12] <aurorauser> Yea i got mine in a case too
[1:12] <aurorauser> idk, maybe its the adhesive?
[1:12] <aurorauser> I definitely noticed a difference
[1:12] <ozzzy> the only difference I was was a miniscule lengthening of the time it took to come up to temp
[1:13] <codebam> doesnt a heatsink require the use of a fan for it to be useful?
[1:13] <ozzzy> it needs SOME airflow
[1:13] <codebam> isnt that sorta the idea?
[1:13] <ozzzy> otherwise it just comes to equilibrium at the same temp as the bare chip
[1:14] <supersmilers> I guess I could install Raspbian and use only Kodi? If only I can get Retropie to not to time out after 20sec even if I'm typing anything then I could install kodi.
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[1:14] <aurorauser> the heatsink just allows the heat to dissipate
[1:14] <ozzzy> and if the heat has nowhere to go it heats up the air in the case and everything comes to equilibrium
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[1:14] <ozzzy> with airflow the heat is moved away
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[1:16] <supersmilers> anyone?
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[1:17] <codebam> supersmilers: I found that kodi wasnt working properly for video under raspbian... idk
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[1:17] <supersmilers> I got Kodi to work on my end under Raspbian
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[1:19] <supersmilers> however I couldn't get Kodi to work with my xbox controller just yet
[1:20] <ozzzy> if you have an xbox why bother with the pi
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[1:20] <supersmilers> I have xbox for pc controller not normal xbox controller
[1:20] <ozzzy> ah
[1:21] <supersmilers> I guess I just install "xbox360drv"
[1:22] <supersmilers> for that part?
[1:25] <supersmilers> If so, plain official raspbian it is?
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[1:26] * ozzzy has no game stuff
[1:29] <supersmilers> great. downloading raspbian at 900KB/sec
[1:29] <supersmilers> it gonna take 16 Min
[1:31] <supersmilers> the file size is 990MB
[1:31] <Froolap> I got fedora remix for rpi2b
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[1:31] <supersmilers> does it have kodi?
[1:31] <Froolap> never heard of kodi, so dunno. what is?
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[1:32] <supersmilers> kodi (formerly xbmc) its a media center app
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[1:33] <ozzzy> I run it on my desktop
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[1:34] <Froolap> kodi isn't installed by default but yum search kodi shows there's packages available
[1:34] <supersmilers> I do too but I wanted to move my media to RPI so its almost always on Media PC
[1:34] <Froolap> i generally use vlc for watching movies
[1:35] <supersmilers> i like kodi because you can customize UI anyway
[1:35] <ozzzy> it crashes on me quite often... but it's still decent
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[1:35] <Froolap> kodi-devel.armv7hl : Development files needed to compile C programs against kodi
[1:35] <Froolap> kodi.armv7hl : Media center
[1:35] <Froolap> kodi-eventclients.armv7hl : Media center event client remotes
[1:36] <Froolap> kodi-eventclients-devel.armv7hl : Media center event client remotes development files
[1:36] <Froolap> that's what is available for kodi.
[1:37] <supersmilers> yea. kodi never officially port their stuff to ARM, many has ported it unofficially
[1:37] <supersmilers> raspbian has it in their repo
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[1:38] <Froolap> yeah but raspbarian can't connect to a new wireless router from commandline.
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[1:39] <supersmilers> I can from the newest raspbian one (with the UI refresh)
[1:39] <Froolap> that feature isn't included in the raspbarian version of nmcli
[1:39] <Froolap> not a new.... first time connection, only if it's already been configured.
[1:40] <Froolap> not from the commandline/headless
[1:40] <supersmilers> it can scan if you click on the wifi tray button
[1:40] <Froolap> that's not command line
[1:41] <supersmilers> yea. you like your headless?
[1:41] <Froolap> yeah, all my machines are headless except 1.
[1:42] <supersmilers> I don't. I like GUI better than headless for me.
[1:42] <Froolap> i hate the gui because then your only choices are what someone else thinks you should be doing.
[1:42] <supersmilers> oh
[1:43] <Froolap> you have more control over delicate situations from command line.
[1:44] <supersmilers> Well If I can get my own server tower then I can run all my data over network , maybe headless.
[1:44] <Froolap> I don't like it when people take away my choicesm usually for silly reasons.... like where did they hide the logout button this time?
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[1:45] <supersmilers> At least Ubuntu Mate and Raspbian put their logout button in shutdown menu
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[1:46] <Froolap> I hate spending 20 minutes trying to find out where they moved a button or find out that the options I want have been moved when I could just type what I want and be done in seconds
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[1:47] <supersmilers> oh. I guess I'm more visual than command type person. whereas you're more like command than visual
[1:48] <Froolap> why is it that when I'm running xwindows as joe-user that if the network disconnects that it won't reconnect until joe-user types in the wpa_passphrase that they have no business knowing, and then my servers that don't require xwindows have denial of service till joe gets back from lunch.
[1:49] <supersmilers> idk
[1:50] <Froolap> that sort of thing shouldn't happen, but it does. if xwindows isn't running then the network will reconnect almost immediately.
[1:51] <supersmilers> ah
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[1:52] <supersmilers> I'm baking pizza
[1:52] <Froolap> I'm not getting anything to eat tonight.
[1:52] <Froolap> the cook went to bed early
[1:54] <osxyer> how much faster will the rp2 vs rp1 model B+ ? ...will xmbc run smoother?
[1:54] <supersmilers> rpi 2 ran smoother on xbmc
[1:54] <supersmilers> for me
[1:55] <osxyer> like day and night or?
[1:55] <osxyer> im hesitating between rpi 2 or an android box
[1:55] <supersmilers> it ran well with DVDs and movies
[1:56] <osxyer> I use it mainly for 720p@60fps streaming
[1:56] <SineDeviance> so has anyone figured out a method to clone an install between two different SD brands?
[1:56] <Froolap> depends on how much you over clock it. lol
[1:56] <SineDeviance> it doesn't work with image'd SDs
[1:57] <osxyer> Froolap: i overclocked the rpi 1 B+ I got here to medium....
[1:57] <supersmilers> you can just disable screensaver then It would stay on for entire movie. I got it working with 1080i movies
[1:57] <osxyer> but the interface surfing is so slow
[1:57] <supersmilers> Its not slow in my case.
[1:57] <supersmilers> its pretty fast
[1:57] <osxyer> supersmilers: on the rpi2 &
[1:57] <osxyer> ?
[1:57] <supersmilers> on rpi 2
[1:58] <osxyer> ill try to find a video on youtube
[1:58] <Froolap> SineDeviance: depends on if you want to cheat and if you have a linux box to work with.
[1:58] <supersmilers> I did it with 32GB SD card and 1TB external HDD
[1:58] <osxyer> supersmilers: can I connect an external hdd without needing more power ?
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[1:59] <Froolap> SineDeviance: what didn't work with imaged sd cards?
[2:01] <supersmilers> I connected my external HDD to powered usb hub.
[2:01] <Froolap> me too
[2:01] <supersmilers> because mine is usb 3.0
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[2:01] <osxyer> what hub do you use?
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[2:02] <supersmilers> belkin usb 2.0 powered desktop usb hub
[2:02] <osxyer> i need to buy this I guess?
[2:02] <supersmilers> it can work with any powered hubs
[2:03] <osxyer> i see, they are expensive
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[2:03] <supersmilers> I got mine like $30 from best buy
[2:03] <Froolap> osxyer: it REALLY depends on the drive that you are using and how much power they require, particularly at spinup.
[2:03] <osxyer> im using a western digital 2TB
[2:04] <Froolap> then look up the specs on the drive and see what the requirements are......
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[2:05] <Froolap> usb is only going to provide 500 ma per port...... some converters require to connect to two usb ports to power the drive, and only one port is data.
[2:06] <osxyer> it will be cool when windows 10 will be ran on this....would be nice for htpc
[2:06] <supersmilers> well win10 isn't full os on rpi its app deployment os
[2:07] <osxyer> so i should be happy from the upgrade
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[2:08] <supersmilers> windows 10 IoT is only work with windows 10/8.1 apps
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[2:08] <supersmilers> nothing x86 apps
[2:08] <osxyer> i see...i just want a cheap media center
[2:09] <supersmilers> well, you can just put osmc on rpi2
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[2:09] <pksato> not like kodi?
[2:09] <supersmilers> osmc is full os version of kodi
[2:10] <osxyer> i just want to make sure I wont have problems with streaming 720p@60hz
[2:10] <pksato> you have a problems.
[2:10] <osxyer> why?
[2:10] <pksato> hw limitation.
[2:11] <osxyer> it works fine on rp1
[2:11] <pksato> but, 720px60 rpi1 can play.
[2:11] <SineDeviance> Froolap: i do have a linux box to work with. however, i tried cloning it with win32diskimager and it failed because the number of blocks didn't natch
[2:11] <osxyer> so the rp1 can and the rp2 can't ?
[2:11] <supersmilers> i have no problem running 1080i on mine. I played ripped from itunes Fast Five with mpeg2 and wc1 licenses
[2:11] <SineDeviance> match*
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[2:12] <supersmilers> with no problem
[2:12] <Froolap> sine that's when you cheat
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[2:12] <osxyer> supersmilers: 1080i is at 60fps ?
[2:12] <pksato> you have a problems with any rpi as media center. But, most time work great.
[2:12] <SineDeviance> Froolap: how so? :D
[2:12] <Froolap> are both cards the same size?
[2:12] <SineDeviance> Froolap: 8GB, yes
[2:12] <osxyer> pksato: then what would you use as media center?
[2:13] <SineDeviance> one is kingston, three are sandisk (thus the issue)
[2:13] <Froolap> ok, should be easy then....
[2:13] <pksato> A i7 hex core? :)
[2:13] <Froolap> naw, brand won't make any difference...... having linux and mc does.
[2:13] <supersmilers> i'm not sure. it didn't say 60fps on my sharp aquos
[2:13] <osxyer> pksato: what is that?
[2:14] <supersmilers> its 2-3 year old HDTV
[2:14] <Froolap> SineDeviance: may I /msg you?
[2:14] <SineDeviance> Froolap: sure!
[2:14] <osxyer> supersmilers: u can see if you press the command "o" when the movie is playing
[2:14] <SineDeviance> i'd be thankful for any help you could give
[2:15] <supersmilers> ok I will check When I install kodi on raspbian soon.
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[2:17] <osxyer> which is faster osmc or openelec ?
[2:17] <supersmilers> osmc overall
[2:18] <osxyer> can I install osmc on my rp1 ?
[2:18] <supersmilers> yes. there's a windows installer for installing it to a sd card
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[2:19] <osxyer> i dont understand why so many versions of kodi have different results
[2:20] <supersmilers> me neither
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[2:21] <osxyer> oh well, i might just buy a small pc?
[2:22] <pksato> or android media center stick. :)
[2:22] <supersmilers> or this: https://osmc.tv/product/vero/?
[2:22] <osxyer> im not sure which is the best option
[2:23] <osxyer> I have a ouya here and it's pretty bad with live streaming
[2:23] <NedScott> I would personally recommend OpenELEC
[2:25] <supersmilers> I think I under cook my Pizza
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[2:25] <pksato> what gpu vero use?
[2:26] <supersmilers> 2core ARM7
[2:27] <supersmilers> cortex
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[2:28] <pksato> it is a cpu.
[2:28] <NedScott> Vero is a $200 CuBox-i
[2:28] <NedScott> you could just get a $100 CuBox-i
[2:29] <pksato> Vivante GC2000 3D GPU
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[2:29] <NedScott> personally, for pure Kodi/XBMC use, I would just use a Pi 2
[2:29] <osxyer> yeah
[2:29] <osxyer> i just need something to make external hard drive work
[2:30] <supersmilers> see here: http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs
[2:34] <supersmilers> i overclocked my rpi 2 to rpi2 mode
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[2:39] <supersmilers> mmm. sprecher rootbeer soda
[2:40] <supersmilers> its awesome
[2:41] <NedScott> Think I could just... chop off the USB and ethernet ports on a Pi 2?
[2:41] <NedScott> https://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/020/764/medium640/raspberry_pi_hotspots.jpg?1414711131
[2:41] <NedScott> there's probably traces in there that I can't see
[2:41] <NedScott> but I'm sooo close to fitting...
[2:41] <ozzzy> why would you want to
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[2:42] <NedScott> tight space
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[2:43] <ozzzy> get out your solder wick and turn up the heat LOL
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[2:43] <NedScott> no I mean, chop off the circuit board
[2:43] <ozzzy> if you're that space constrained you need a new bord
[2:43] <ozzzy> er...board
[2:44] <NedScott> I don't think two boards will fit better than one
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[2:44] <ozzzy> no... you need a smaller sbc
[2:44] <plugwash> While i've heard of some people having success chopping pis in the past it's not something I can recommend
[2:45] <plugwash> there is a real risk you will short two planes together
[2:45] <ozzzy> yep
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[3:12] <bigx> hello there
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[3:13] <bigx> i'm creating a custom video player on top of omxplayer and openframeworks
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[3:14] <bigx> i need to play some HD videos (with high bitrate)
[3:14] <Froolap> glad to hear it
[3:14] <bigx> but omxplayer (with or without openframeworks) tends to be a bit slow in terms of fps
[3:15] <bigx> i'm around 22fps
[3:15] <bigx> so I was wondering if there is anything to speed up things
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[3:15] <Froolap> don't you enjoy hearing Darth Vader stutter?
[3:16] <Froolap> uke your father
[3:16] <bigx> my guesses are the following: a better �SD card (then which one?), putting medias on a usb stick?
[3:17] <ali1234> what format? what bitrate?
[3:17] <bigx> memory split is 256mb for the gpu
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[3:18] <bigx> ali1234, mp4 container, h264 1920*1080 10000kb/s 25fps, and AAC 48000Hz 189Kb/s
[3:19] <ali1234> slow SD card could be the problem then
[3:19] <bigx> yes it is my guess, is the usb faster?
[3:19] <ali1234> usually a bit yeah
[3:19] <bigx> is there a static path for a usb stick?
[3:20] <ali1234> if you make one
[3:20] <hosler> anyone here use maynard?
[3:20] <bigx> ali1234, just a symbolic link?
[3:20] <ali1234> no...
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[3:20] <bigx> ok, i'll check the interwebz then
[3:21] <hosler> does pi have drm drivers yet?
[3:22] <bigx> oh ali1234, i think I need some udev rule no? I did that one to plug 10 arduino to a single computer
[3:22] <bigx> *once
[3:24] <ali1234> why do you need a static path?
[3:25] <bigx> because i only want to load files from a single path, and fully automated at startup
[3:25] <bigx> it is for an exhibition
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[4:12] <[Saint]> Co-worker-hacker-friend-type-guy just tried to tell me that optical SATA drives weren't a thing.
[4:14] <plugwash> lol
[4:14] <plugwash> how did he think optical drives were connected?!
[4:14] <[Saint]> IDE I guess.
[4:15] <[Saint]> like, for some reason, optical drives were excluded from the sata world and relegated to IDE...for, reasons.
[4:15] <[Saint]> seeing him think it through, it crumbled pretty quickly, lol
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[4:22] <plugwash> [Saint], there was certainly a time when it was common to have hard drives on SATA but optical drives on IDE
[4:22] <plugwash> I guess his last PC build was from that time
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[4:24] <plugwash> the early days of SATA were "fun"
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[4:27] <CoJaBo> I've never seen a SATA optical drive, fwiw
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[4:27] <plugwash> CoJaBo, so how many years ago did you last build a PC?
[4:28] <CoJaBo> After SATA HDDs, but before SATA optical. Apparently.
[4:28] <plugwash> which was quite a few years back..............
[4:29] <CoJaBo> I do mostly repair work, but few people these days use desktops
[4:29] <plugwash> I guess you have been a laptop or prebuilt user in recent years?
[4:29] <CoJaBo> Or optical drives
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[4:30] <plugwash> I don't use them as much as I used to but I still get annoyed if I don't have one
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[4:32] <CoJaBo> Nothing comes on Dick's anymore
[4:32] <plugwash> windows still does last I checked
[4:33] <CoJaBo> it.. doesn't
[4:33] <CoJaBo> i thought even the updates were download nowadays
[4:34] <plugwash> Last time I built a new PC and bought a "system builder" copy of windows 7 it certainly came on a DVD
[4:34] <plugwash> dunno about win8 since i've been avoiding it
[4:35] <CoJaBo> I don't know anyone who does that who still uses Windows lol
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[4:37] <ali1234> i've used by optical drive exactly once since i bought it 5 years ago
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[4:38] <McBride36> my win 7 copy was on a dvd
[4:38] <McBride36> and i have an ODD with SATA too
[4:40] <CoJaBo> i don't think I've ever used mine
[4:40] <CoJaBo> only one of my laptop s even has one
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[4:44] <mxtm> my rpi sleeve i printed today is too tight and i had to get it out using pliers :(
[4:45] <mxtm> gunna try scaling it to 101% or something and maybe reprinting tomorrow
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[4:48] <Dr-007> good evening / night
[4:48] <Dr-007> i've been a happy pi user for a while now
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[4:48] <Froolap> I hope you get better soon.
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[4:49] <Dr-007> today i've started searching for an audio card with an input jacket
[4:49] <Dr-007> the wolfson breakout / extension board seemed pretty good
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[4:51] <Dr-007> but suggestions would be appreciated. basicly all i'm looking for is the input jacket with good audio signal. this audio i want to beam trough an audio sink to my bluetooth reciever in the other room
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[4:51] <Dr-007> Froolap, are you a bot?
[4:53] <McBride36> he is
[4:53] <McBride36> almost ran out of battery this morning
[4:54] <Dr-007> amazing
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[4:55] <Dr-007> and i were under the impression bots aren't allowed on freenode
[4:55] <Dr-007> :p
[4:55] <McBride36> ...there's an amazing amount of bots on freenode
[4:56] <McBride36> they'll even give your bot a cloak
[4:56] <Froolap> yes, I have been programmed entirely in C++ and I'm ober a meg.
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[4:58] <Dr-007> then you must have a huge database. being a bot and all..
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[4:59] <Froolap> my parents were Fortran and Pascal.
[4:59] <Dr-007> tell me. what audio input devices for the rpi do you have in your memory?
[4:59] <Dr-007> Pascal huh?
[4:59] <Dr-007> Fortran i don't know
[5:00] <Dr-007> The IBM Mathematical Formula Translating System
[5:00] <Dr-007> your math is off
[5:00] <Froolap> my logic is undenyable
[5:01] <Dr-007> i dont understand the logic behind the reason why we can not travel faster than light
[5:01] <Dr-007> please enlighten me
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[5:12] <jer> Dr-007, because einstein says so. =]
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[5:26] <Froolap> each universe vibrates on it's own frequency. The fabric of space also vibrates at this frequency and nothing inside of that universe can vibrate at any vrequency that is not a dividend of that frequency.
[5:27] <Froolap> example 1 2 4 8 16 32 yup, you have a 32 bit system then you can't superceed those limits without moving to another parallel universe
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[5:45] <jaggz-> why am I getting "Device or resource busy" with echo 4 > export ?
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[5:46] <jaggz-> currently export, unexport, and gpiochip0 are the only files in sys/class/gpio
[5:46] <jaggz-> another pin (17) works, but 4 doesn't
[5:47] <jaggz-> ohh.. it's because w1-therm maybe
[5:47] <jaggz-> why would that affect this?
[5:48] <jaggz-> no .. that's maybe NOT it.. grr
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[5:53] <samalex> hi all. just got my raspberry pi and installing raspian..
[5:53] <ShorTie> Cool
[5:54] <samalex> first time to ever touch one, I have no idea what ill do with it, but i picked-up the Raspberry Pi User Guide by Upton and Halfacree which has some nice ideas
[5:55] <[Saint]> Honestly, if there's not /something/ you can use it for, I'd be thoroughly disappointed.
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[5:58] <jaggz-> yeah.. got it.. it was w1-gpio doing it.. yay :)
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[6:21] <samalex> cool! i'm on my raspberry pi now :) outta the box in like 30 minutes and online. this thing is nice
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[7:10] <Encapsulation> c++ vs python vs ruby for pi development?
[7:10] <Encapsulation> timers, sensors, concurrent io
[7:10] <Encapsulation> web interface
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[7:53] <chupacabra> are there any things that would accomodate flight?
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[7:53] <chupacabra> altimiters, gyros, etc
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[7:53] <chupacabra> i want an autonomous ww1 fighter
[7:54] <chupacabra> quadrocopters are easy
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[8:20] <dozn> Encapsulation, or golang http://gobot.io
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[8:52] <Triffid_Hunter> chupacabra: http://youtu.be/qh40BLr-6wc - autonomous spitfire that also does vertical flight
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[8:56] <ShorTie> thats no biggie for those little lrk foamies
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[8:57] <Triffid_Hunter> ShorTie: in terms of thrust ratio, probably not.. how about the automation though? just imagining the control math is giving me a headache
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[9:04] <ShorTie> most likely just a gyro or 2, with a gps since they said it moves to NE corner
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[9:07] <ShorTie> when it can outpreform or match Chip Hyde i'll be impressed, lol.
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[9:13] <niston> hey Encap
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[9:34] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: ...y'know that's not a spitfire, yeah?
[9:34] <[Saint]> just sayin'.
[9:35] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: hm, I know I have a vtol spitfire video somewhere, apparently that's not the one
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[9:39] <[Saint]> On a semi related note, you managed to scare me so bad I almost peed a little.
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[9:40] <[Saint]> I was watching a _reeeeeeeaaaally_ terribly mastered film.
[9:40] <[Saint]> And, as a result, had my volume quite loud to compensate.
[9:40] <[Saint]> ...then got screamed at by a tiny extremely loud foam aircraft.
[9:41] <[Saint]> So, well done!
[9:41] * ShorTie snickers
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[9:51] <tawr> heh [Saint]
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[10:57] <trijntje> Hi all. I'm looking for an SD card to run openelec and I notice that a lot of sd cards are actually micro sd + adapter, can those be used with the rpi?
[10:57] <ShorTie> sure
[10:57] <tawr> yes
[10:57] <tawr> sd cards are ALL MICRO now
[10:57] <tawr> just in a larger form factor
[10:58] <tawr> if you cut open a regular SD card, you'd find a tiny micro-sd sized device in it. somwhat. micro-sd cards are mostly empty space as well..
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[10:59] <trijntje> thats good to know, thanks. I was already wondering why the micro ones weren't that much more expensive then regular cards
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[12:42] <HotCoder> hello
[12:42] <tawr> hi
[12:43] <HotCoder> hi :)
[12:43] <HotCoder> question for you guys
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[12:43] <HotCoder> can i take a raspberry pi and use my laptop screen as its screen?
[12:44] <HotCoder> and the keyboard of my laptop as its keyboard?
[12:44] <ShorTie> sure
[12:45] <ShorTie> vnc
[12:45] <ShorTie> or the laptop doesn't work ??
[12:45] <HotCoder> can u guys recommend me a good pi? my budget is 70 dollars?
[12:45] <HotCoder> my laptop works but runs windows
[12:45] <tawr> uh
[12:45] <HotCoder> i want to run linux on a pi that i will buy
[12:45] <tawr> wut
[12:45] <HotCoder> then use the laptop as a zombie for the linux thing
[12:46] <tawr> what
[12:46] <tawr> that makes no sense
[12:46] <HotCoder> then when im done with the pi i play on the laptop
[12:46] <HotCoder> sorry im noob :(
[12:46] <tawr> let me see
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[12:46] <tawr> okay, the pi runs linux. that's what it does. linux is an operating system
[12:46] <tawr> that's in 2 parts, console based and xwindows (gui) based.
[12:46] <ShorTie> there is winblows for new pi
[12:47] <tawr> the pi is a full computer system, in that tiny board
[12:47] <tawr> ShorTie, don't confuse him dude.
[12:47] <tawr> so HotCoder you get your pi, put an os on the sd card (or purchase a pre-made one), and plug it into your network, it boots up
[12:47] <tawr> then, you SSH into it, which is a text-console to control it.
[12:48] <tawr> using that console you configure things including VNC, which would let you put the screen of the pi (like if it were connected to your TV) onto a window on your windows computer
[12:48] <tawr> make sense?
[12:48] <HotCoder> my network?
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[12:48] <tawr> yes?
[12:48] <HotCoder> heres the thing though. i dont have a separate monitor
[12:48] <HotCoder> i just have this laptop
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[12:49] <tawr> what part did you not get?
[12:49] <tawr> you are not hooking it up a a monitor.
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[12:49] <HotCoder> the part where you put the vnc part in the bottom
[12:49] <tawr> you are setting up software called vnc. the server runs on the pi, the client runs on the laptop
[12:49] <tawr> this allows the output of the pi to come out on your windows laptop in a window
[12:49] <tawr> like it would if you connected the pi to a monitor
[12:49] <HotCoder> oh. so through the internet
[12:50] <tawr> your home network
[12:51] <tawr> if you dont understand something, ask so you can learn
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[12:51] <HotCoder> tawr ok lets start from the top i guess. i read up on the pi. but its hard to keep up cause im a complete noob
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[12:52] <tawr> okay. the pi is a full blown linux computer. linux is an operating system. in fact, most of the internet runs on linux, and not windows. when you go to google.com, the server that answers you is not running windows.
[12:52] <HotCoder> ah ok i know that part. lets work from there
[12:53] <HotCoder> so how would i put the os on the sd card? basically there is an sd card and i just install the OS on it like i would with a ormal computer?
[12:53] <HotCoder> tawr ^
[12:53] <tawr> nope
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[12:53] <tawr> much easier :)
[12:53] <SgrA> My RPi memory goes read only every time I boot up.
[12:53] <SgrA> I have to remount it with read only.
[12:53] <HotCoder> tawr there is a oneclick method?
[12:53] <tawr> you would download the image off the internet, and burn the image to the sd card. you don't "install" it
[12:54] <tawr> ever burn a cdrom as an .iso or similar? same thing
[12:54] <tawr> "image"
[12:54] <tawr> SgrA, what part of the pi memory?
[12:54] <Encrypt> SgrA, Your SD Card probably has bad blocks
[12:54] <tawr> dmesg | grep -i sd or dmesg | grep -i ext4
[12:54] <Encrypt> Try fscking :]
[12:54] <tawr> see what errors it's giving you
[12:56] <HotCoder> tawr ahh okay
[12:56] <HotCoder> i understand now
[12:56] <HotCoder> what does plugging into my network mean tawr
[12:57] <tawr> HotCoder, your home network. how you have internet at your house and multiple devices connected through your router
[12:57] <HotCoder> wifi
[12:57] <HotCoder> got it
[12:57] <tawr> your wifi router?
[12:57] <HotCoder> yes
[12:57] <HotCoder> ok ok but wait hold on
[12:57] <tawr> everything that connects to the router and the router itself is your 'home network'
[12:58] <HotCoder> one question
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[12:58] <HotCoder> so to put os into sd card and accessing into the network, dont i have to have a GUI or a screen? i dont have a monitor
[12:58] <HotCoder> and at this step i havent accessed my laptop from rasp yet
[12:58] <HotCoder> what do
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[12:59] <tawr> okay. the current image of raspbian has ssh enabled by default iirc
[12:59] <tawr> so, next question. do you have a usb wireless card, or do you plan on running ethernet cable from your router to the pi
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[13:02] <HotCoder> tawr i have an ethernet cable for now, lets just say
[13:02] <tawr> that makes it much easier, then
[13:03] <tawr> plug it into the pi, put sd card in, plug power in
[13:03] <tawr> it will start up
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[13:03] <HotCoder> tawr what does ssh enabled mean then? how do i see the GUI? do i just connect to my laptop?
[13:03] <tawr> then, this part is interesting depending on your skills.
[13:03] <tawr> no.
[13:03] <HotCoder> or do i not need the GUI at this point?
[13:03] <tawr> you're miles away from a gui at this point
[13:03] <tawr> you haven't even turned the damn thing on yet
[13:03] <HotCoder> okok
[13:03] <HotCoder> do go on please
[13:03] <tawr> so, do you know how to log into your router for configuration?
[13:04] <tawr> because, the pi will ask your router for an IP address. you need this ip address to connect to the pi from your laptop. so you connect to the router and look at the logs to see what IP the router gave the pi, so you can connect to it
[13:05] * shiftplusone sticks a 'helper of the year' award sticker on tawr.
[13:05] <tawr> I haven't had a gold star on my forehead since kinder!
[13:07] <HotCoder> tawr thank you for all the help btw
[13:07] <HotCoder> tawr how do i check the logs
[13:07] <HotCoder> sorry
[13:07] <HotCoder> !
[13:07] <HotCoder> i can log into my router
[13:07] <HotCoder> if theres an option for it i'll look at it
[13:08] <tawr> yes, log into your router now
[13:08] <tawr> to figure out where it is ahead of time
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[13:09] <HotCoder> ok im logged in
[13:09] <MY123> hi
[13:09] <HotCoder> tawr what do i check for?
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[13:10] <tawr> HotCoder, admin panel, look for 'logs' or dhcp server
[13:10] <HotCoder> i dont have the pi yet. but when i connect the pi via ethernet, what will i get on here?
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[13:10] <HotCoder> tawr i see a list of devices connected to the router
[13:10] <tawr> HotCoder, it's ip address, otherwise what are you going to connect to exactly?
[13:10] <tawr> yes, perfect
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[13:10] <HotCoder> yes i figured that was it
[13:10] <tawr> see where it says ip address, most likely 192.168.1.*
[13:10] <tawr> well, when you get the pi, plug it in, and power it up, it will show up there. the ip address next to the pi is what you need to connect to it from the laptop
[13:11] <HotCoder> yes but it says dynamic
[13:11] <HotCoder> and the ip is locked out
[13:11] <HotCoder> but if i click reserved, its not locked out no more
[13:11] <HotCoder> is that cool?
[13:11] <HotCoder> its dynamic ip
[13:12] <tawr> all that means is the ips can change. you can set it to static, once the pi is actually connected.
[13:12] <HotCoder> alright!
[13:12] <HotCoder> thank you
[13:12] <HotCoder> now go on
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[13:12] <tawr> but it's not going to change 5 minutes in, etc
[13:12] <tawr> anyhow, with that #, on your windows computer you are going to use the program "PUTTY" to connect to the pi
[13:12] <HotCoder> ok so i dl putty got it
[13:12] <tawr> and log in to it's linux shell through 'ssh' which is an encrypted connection for it's command prompt
[13:12] <tawr> yeah it's a free program
[13:13] <HotCoder> i'll get the correct link from you after
[13:13] <tawr> http://www.putty.org/
[13:13] <tawr> when you open the program it asks for host or ip, you put in the # from your router for the pi, and it will connect. then you log in with the default user
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[13:13] <tawr> known as 'pi', heh
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[13:14] <HotCoder> tawr, default user?
[13:14] <HotCoder> of what?
[13:15] <tawr> the pi
[13:15] <HotCoder> i didnt make a user account anywhere yet
[13:15] <HotCoder> pi account?
[13:15] <tawr> the _default_ linux account on the pi is known as 'pi'
[13:16] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions has a list of distros and their default passwords
[13:16] <HotCoder> ah okay i see what u meant
[13:16] <HotCoder> alright alright. go on
[13:16] <HotCoder> please
[13:16] <HotCoder> im taking notes btw
[13:17] <tawr> well, once you're in, you're presented with a run of the mill linux command prompt
[13:17] <tawr> you know what? let me show you. i think this will be the easiest thing to do. go ahead and download and start putty up
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[13:20] <tawr> i just made you an account on my pi that's on the internet, HotCoder
[13:20] <tawr> so when you're ready, you can log into _my_ pi
[13:21] <HotCoder> ok
[13:21] <HotCoder> it says host name or ip
[13:21] <HotCoder> and port
[13:21] <tawr> yup, let's go to pm
[13:21] <HotCoder> of course
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[13:29] <Tenkawa> hi a
[13:29] <Tenkawa> ll
[13:29] <tawr> hi
[13:29] <Tenkawa> wow its chilly out this morning for this time of year
[13:30] <tawr> yay for global warming!
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[13:30] <Tenkawa> haaha
[13:30] <Tenkawa> indeed heh
[13:30] <Tenkawa> whats new in piland this morning?
[13:32] <tawr> i got crowned "helper of the year" by shiftplusone
[13:33] <Tenkawa> nice
[13:33] <shiftplusone> no crown (budget cuts)... just a sticker.
[13:33] <tawr> ah yes, right right, 'stickered'
[13:33] <shiftplusone> that too was virtual
[13:33] <tawr> outsourced to china as well
[13:33] <shiftplusone> yup
[13:34] <Tenkawa> heh
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[13:35] <Tenkawa> well i got 7 hours or so on my battery pack test
[13:35] <Tenkawa> not bad
[13:35] <tawr> oh nice
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[13:35] <Tenkawa> going to run a few more charge/discharge cycles to hopefully do some tweaking
[13:36] <Tenkawa> still neat to see this thing sitting
[13:36] <Tenkawa> i'm going to demo for some friends and they will definitely be intrigued
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[13:38] <Tenkawa> still wish there was a battery sensor on the board
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[13:40] <Tenkawa> if this box is going to be headless is there any need for CMA?
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[13:58] <tawr> sorry Tenkawa
[13:58] <tawr> what's "CMA"
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[13:59] <KD7JWC> morning, has anyone worked with the new ubuntu 15.04 for the pi2?
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[14:05] <devster31> hi, any suggestion for sd cards? I'm currently navigating the meanders of samsung, between evo pro and plus I have no idea what to get
[14:06] <shiftplusone> http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
[14:06] <Draylor> whatever is cheap, they'll all feel slow regardless
[14:07] <tawr> not true
[14:07] <Tenkawa> contiguous memory allocator
[14:07] <tawr> my 45mb/s (benchmarked) card feels pretty fast
[14:07] <KD7JWC> devster31: i have had very god luck and speed with the sandisk 10x and you can get a pair of 16gb and a usb card reader for around 14 bucks on amazon
[14:07] <Tenkawa> tawr: what brand/spec?
[14:08] <Tenkawa> i have had great
[14:08] <tawr> Tenkawa, sandisk ultra class 10 uha1 8gb
[14:08] <Tenkawa> luck from pny class 10 ultra
[14:08] <devster31> I wanted 16g, KD7JWC thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for
[14:08] <tawr> *uhs1, sorry
[14:08] <Tenkawa> i had some really slow class 10 housebrands before
[14:09] <KD7JWC> my biggest problems with any cards is they are so easy to loose
[14:10] <Tenkawa> KD7JWC: i hear ya
[14:10] <tawr> KD7JWC, you think that's bad
[14:10] <tawr> i've lost 3 adapters
[14:10] <Tenkawa> i still like them better than sd size
[14:10] <tawr> the 1/4" long micro-usb to usb otg one-piece
[14:10] <tawr> and also a microusb - microsd card adapter about the same length
[14:12] <Tenkawa> yay!!!
[14:12] <Tenkawa> no more vidcore
[14:12] <Tenkawa> got back some more memory
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[14:13] <Tenkawa> completely headless box now
[14:13] <Tenkawa> and the kernel is getting simpler and simpler
[14:13] <tawr> hmm
[14:13] <tawr> when i went to check my gpu mem
[14:14] <tawr> vcgen wouldn't tell me
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[14:14] <Tenkawa> which syntax you use?
[14:14] <Tenkawa> i'll try two of my boxes
[14:15] <Tenkawa> one i know uses vid.. the other that i just pulled vid from completely
[14:15] <tawr> iirc vcgencmd gpu_mem
[14:16] <Tenkawa> testing
[14:17] <Tenkawa> i get vhci error on the one i pulled it out of so i expected tgat
[14:17] <tawr> it's funny, i'm teaching HotCoder linux, and have been for a while now
[14:17] <Tenkawa> get this on other
[14:18] <tawr> i get command not registered. i may be wrong and it's not the proper variable name
[14:18] <tawr> almost 1 hour now HotCoder
[14:18] <Tenkawa> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd gpu_mem
[14:18] <Tenkawa> error=1 error_msg="Command not registered"
[14:19] <HotCoder> tawr thanks you so mcuh
[14:19] <tawr> yeah that's what i get, but i'm under the impression that's the proper variable
[14:19] <HotCoder> tawr what do u do for a living?
[14:19] <tawr> i'm a fabricator/welder/mechanic
[14:19] <tawr> heh
[14:20] <HotCoder> for what?
[14:20] <HotCoder> electronics?
[14:20] <tawr> no
[14:21] <tawr> everything. from race cars to tractors to food grade stainless fabrication
[14:21] <tawr> but i like playing with electronics
[14:22] <HotCoder> cool
[14:22] <Tenkawa> tawr: look in:
[14:22] <Tenkawa> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd commands
[14:23] <Tenkawa> nothing gpu in my list
[14:23] <Tenkawa> ahh haa
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[14:24] <Tenkawa> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd get_mem gpu
[14:24] <Tenkawa> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd get_mem arm
[14:24] <Tenkawa> that was hidden welll
[14:25] <Tenkawa> you have to give it type arm/gpu... if you dont you still get an error
[14:26] <tawr> 64mb here
[14:26] <Tenkawa> 994/16 split here
[14:26] <tawr> but all the guides i saw said to set in config.txt gpu_mem = something
[14:26] <Tenkawa> yes
[14:26] <Tenkawa> in config.txt
[14:27] <Tenkawa> grep gpu /boot/config.txt
[14:27] <Tenkawa> gpu_mem=16
[14:27] <Tenkawa> thats how
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[14:27] <tawr> ah, i thought it was a bidirectional var, as in gpu_mem without anything would state it's current mem, and setting it to something would set it
[14:27] <tawr> maybe that was only on the rpi1?
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[14:27] <Tenkawa> not sure... been too long heheh
[14:28] <tawr> :)
[14:28] <Tenkawa> gotta run for now... bb in a fee hours
[14:28] <Tenkawa> cheers all
[14:28] <Tenkawa> time for mtfs
[14:28] <Tenkawa> er mtgs
[14:28] <Tenkawa> heheheh
[14:28] <tawr> where do you buy pi2's in canada, anyone know?
[14:28] <tawr> take care bud
[14:29] <Tenkawa> tawr: just ship from microcenter in us.. should be fairly inexpebdive
[14:29] <Tenkawa> er inexpensive
[14:29] <Tenkawa> if they will ship
[14:29] <tawr> it's for HotCoder who said amazon doesn't work for him
[14:29] <Tenkawa> they are 10 minutes away so its easy for me
[14:29] <Tenkawa> afk
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[14:32] <Encapsulation> dozn, ?
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[14:39] <dozn> Encapsulation, what are you confused about?
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[14:40] <Encapsulation> dozn, I lost the context of what you said
[14:41] <Encapsulation> I forgot what I had asked in here last night
[14:41] <Encapsulation> it was probablyt about a concurrent application with a web interface
[14:42] <dozn> Encapsulation, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gn98w9KX
[14:42] <Encapsulation> ty
[14:42] <dozn> No worries.
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[14:48] <mxtm> what are my best and most cost effective power supply options for 2 Pis, possibly eventually expandign to more?
[14:48] <mxtm> expanding*
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[15:07] <mxtm> this looks decent maybe http://www.amazon.com/Charger-TROND-G2-Dual-Port-Charging/dp/B00OT3LS7I/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1431608791&sr=8-8&keywords=microusb+charger
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[15:12] <mxtm> oooh nah this one http://www.amazon.com/Charger-TechMatte-Desktop-SmartPower-Technology/dp/B00NA9JQLM/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1431609071&sr=8-12&keywords=wall+charger+usb
[15:13] <Encapsulation> I need to add a web interface to my c++ app
[15:13] <Encapsulation> or should I just start from scratch and use something like python + flask etc
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[15:17] <tawr> Encapsulation, don't want to go full webserver?
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[15:33] <mxtm> so will this work well and not suck for 2 pis expanding to more? http://www.amazon.com/Charger-TechMatte-Desktop-SmartPower-Technology/dp/B00NA9JQLM/
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[15:37] <Encapsulation> tawr, I'm not sure what the best option is at this point
[15:38] <tawr> well, having a fully functional webserver on the pi isn't a bad thing. you know, php, mysql, apache, the usual
[15:38] <tawr> then go from there instead of trying to start from scratch
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[15:41] <rori> Is there a big need for device drivers on the raspberry pi? im interested in writing such things.
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[15:45] <Bilby> rori there is pretty good compatibility with basic devices, as far as i know
[15:45] <tawr> hai guiz, is this power supply big enough for my rpi2? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817101033
[15:45] <Bilby> I'm sure there is always need for help though :)
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[15:46] <Bilby> tawr, A) that is a weird power supply, B) no. you need at least 300A @ 5v
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[15:47] <ShorTie> kinda overkill, but will work
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[15:48] <Kardos> rori, rpi can import all the linux drivers right? so writing a driver for rpi is same as writing one for linux, yes?
[15:48] <McBride36> that sure is a weird psu
[15:49] <ShorTie> if it turns on that is
[15:49] <Bilby> McBride36 I think it's one for people who are running multiple video cards and need stupid amounts of power
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[15:53] <McBride36> so miners
[15:53] <McBride36> gotcha
[15:53] <Bilby> probably more like high-level gamers
[15:55] <tawr> Bilby, thought so
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[16:06] <niston> mxtm: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/RS-25-5/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsPs3th5F8koAOKs67AukcKlkybHUmpr2I%3d
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[16:07] <mxtm> what's that
[16:07] <niston> this will provide supply for 2 Pis with ample power reserve
[16:08] <mxtm> but what about the one I picked; could that handle up to 5?
[16:08] <niston> that microusb thing?
[16:08] <mxtm> yeh
[16:08] <mxtm> wait no
[16:08] <mxtm> the
[16:08] <niston> never going to power 5 Pis
[16:08] <mxtm> this? http://www.amazon.com/Charger-TechMatte-Desktop-SmartPower-Technology/dp/B00NA9JQLM/
[16:09] <niston> this one perhaps ye
[16:09] <mxtm> any better options than that?
[16:09] <niston> but there will be not much reserve
[16:09] <niston> yeh. any PS with >50W and 5VDC output
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[16:10] <McBride36> i just stick mine on the electrical wires outside my house, seems to work
[16:10] <McBride36> just pop it right on top
[16:11] <mxtm> it seems that most have 10w per
[16:11] <mxtm> port
[16:12] <mxtm> and only offer 2a per port with all full
[16:12] <niston> 10W @ 5VDC is 2 Amps
[16:13] <mxtm> yes, but it uses all
[16:13] <mxtm> because 12a overall output
[16:13] <mxtm> in the one i'm looking at now
[16:13] <mxtm> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S7DIIH4/
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[16:13] <niston> that should work for 5 Pis
[16:14] <mxtm> but I should keep one port empty?
[16:14] <mxtm> would the previous one work for 4?
[16:14] <niston> yeah
[16:14] <mxtm> I mean I do only have 1 now and I dunno if I'd get 5
[16:14] <niston> each port would have 2 amps available whilst still leaving 2 amps for "overall" reserve
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[16:14] <niston> same for the 50W one if you run 4 systems from it
[16:15] <mxtm> cool I'll go for the 50w I think
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[16:16] <Bilby> And 2A is overkill unless you are loaded up on USB devices
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[16:17] <didzan> Hello all. Any help with pcDuino, can I install a Debian in a pcDuino? Where can I find something helpful about it?
[16:19] <niston> overkill? I'd call it a stable supply :P
[16:20] <mxtm> could 2a support a USB HDD?
[16:20] <mxtm> I've been having to support it with a hub
[16:20] <mxtm> but I was hoping that I'd be able to dump that
[16:20] <Bilby> yeah, it should. you can check the draw on the drive to be sure
[16:20] <Bilby> it might not support it through the Pi though
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[16:21] <didzan> Hello all. Any help with pcDuino, can I install a Debian in a pcDuino? Where can I find something helpful about it?
[16:21] <Bilby> bacon with a lisp? /stereotypical
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[16:21] <Bilby> didzan, not familiar with pcDuino at all, sorry. is it an arduino variant?
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[16:23] <didzan> Bilby: Thank you! Yes, is an embedded pc like Raspberry Pi
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[16:27] <Bilby> ah, no idea sorry.
[16:27] <Bilby> Google seems to think it's possible. https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner
[16:31] <didzan> Bilby, yes I found that, but I don't know how to install/deploy to the board.
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[16:32] <Davespice> has anyone here got any experience using DVB-S tuners with a Pi?
[16:33] <Bilby> didzan, That's going to be a challenge if you're not sure how to do it yourself, probably
[16:33] <Bilby> Davespice, using in what way?
[16:33] <Davespice> with tvheadend
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[16:35] <Bilby> I'm not really familiar with it. Are you able to use an ir transmitter to control via remote port?
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[16:37] <tawr> Davespice, only as rtlsdr
[16:37] <tawr> not actually receiving tv lol
[16:37] <tawr> yes Bilby it enumerates properly
[16:37] <tawr> stock kernel has a module and treats the ir led as an input
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[16:38] <Encapsulation> https://ideone.com/MkNprN is somethiong wrong with this code
[16:39] <Encapsulation> that file isnt being created
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[16:46] <Encapsulation> niston, galvanic isolation i2c board arrives today
[16:46] <Encapsulation> I hope this is what I really need
[16:47] <Encapsulation> I have the two i2c probe boards now and adding an i2c digital lux sensor soon
[16:47] <Encapsulation> I hope this one board can isolatrre the ph and conducitivity probes and the lux meter can still work as well
[16:47] <Encapsulation> all over i2c
[16:47] <Encapsulation> https://www.sparkyswidgets.com/portfolio-item/i2c-isolation-breakout/
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[16:51] <sajingeo> how do i use PWM and audio at the same time without using a USB audio adapter?
[16:51] <Bilby> Encapsulation sounds fa-hancy
[16:51] <Bilby> I need to clean my desk off and get some other project stuff out of the way so i can do more Picentric things :)
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[16:52] <Encapsulation> pi is the greatest
[16:52] <Encapsulation> I have two now, and one paperweight
[16:52] <Encapsulation> it got overcooked with 12v and so it's just a burnt pi now
[16:52] <Bilby> Get some acrylic epoxy, encapsulate it :D
[16:52] <Encapsulation> lol
[16:53] <Encapsulation> not a bad idea
[16:54] <IT_Sean> and keep 21v away fromyour remaining pis
[16:54] <IT_Sean> *12v
[16:55] <IT_Sean> (though, a good idea to keep 21v away too)
[16:55] <Bilby> on my work desk, i have Raspi (1), ESP8266 (1), microchips misc (3), torn-apart laptops (2), wires (lots)
[16:55] * IT_Sean sweeps the contents of Bilby's desk into a box.
[16:55] <IT_Sean> There... now your office is clean
[16:55] <Bilby> unless it's +21 and +16 for the positive and ground lines...
[16:55] <Bilby> OH NO MY CLEAN BOX
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[16:58] <Bilby> I need to build some shelves by my desk... and maybe put some containerso n there
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[16:58] <niston> Encapsulation: the lux sensor should hardly interact with any of the other probes
[16:58] <niston> as its not going to touch the solution (I presume)
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[16:59] <ThinkingofPython> On the Pi2. Instead of getting roms, programs, etc on it by downloading through it (onto the linux file system) or ssh-ing, could I just put the files on a usb (from a windows machine) and then put the USB into the pi2?
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[17:00] <Wegge> ThinkingofPython, Unless it's a really waird filesystem on the USB stick, it should be possible
[17:00] <Encapsulation> niston, so just isolating one of the two probes in solution should be enough
[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> Awesome, it's FAT32 so it should work :)
[17:00] <Encapsulation> the ph probe seems to be the one effected by the ec so I think thats the one I'll isolate
[17:00] <niston> Encapsulation yes, as the undesired interaction is through the test medium
[17:00] <Encapsulation> affected
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[17:01] <niston> be careful with 5v/3v3.. maybe you'll have to set a jumper or something
[17:01] <niston> on the isolator module
[17:02] <niston> or wire its Vcc for 3v3 instead of 5v as might be printed on it
[17:02] <Encapsulation> https://www.sparkyswidgets.com/wp-content/uploads/I2CIsolationBreakout1.jpg it looks like I just connect it inline
[17:02] <Encapsulation> says it operates on a range of voltages
[17:02] <niston> yes thats what I remember too
[17:02] <niston> before connecting the sensor
[17:02] <Encapsulation> so the sda and scl will split off coming from pi? one set to this board, then this board to the ph board
[17:03] <Encapsulation> other set of sda and scl goes directly to the other boards?
[17:03] <niston> measure Volts between VOut and GND(out)
[17:03] <niston> make sure it outputs 3v3
[17:03] <Encapsulation> k
[17:03] <niston> yes
[17:03] <niston> btw
[17:04] <niston> did you try checking for temperature drifrt?
[17:04] <niston> drift
[17:04] <Encapsulation> I haven't added temp compensation code yet but I have been reading about it
[17:04] <niston> ie measuring cold solution, then warm it up and measure again and see if the eC value differs between the two readings?
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[17:05] <niston> depends on the sensor
[17:05] <niston> maybe its not required
[17:05] <niston> the guy never spoke about it did he?
[17:05] <niston> also in his code there was no compensation whatsoever IIRC
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[17:05] <Encapsulation> yes
[17:05] <niston> he was just going about that DC offset
[17:05] <Encapsulation> there will be a diffewrent from what I've read
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[17:06] <niston> the sensor he uses might have a built in temp sensor
[17:06] <niston> and do compensation on its own
[17:06] <niston> Idk
[17:06] <niston> you'll have to check
[17:07] <Encapsulation> I'm not sure if it
[17:07] <Encapsulation> disaster
[17:07] <Encapsulation> disaster
[17:07] <Encapsulation> ph control fluid everywhere
[17:07] <Encapsulation> holy fuck
[17:07] <Encapsulation> ill be back
[17:07] <niston> right
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[17:07] <IT_AFK> Encapsulation: please review the channel language policy -- the rules are linked in the topic. Thank you.
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[17:08] <Encapsulation> ok
[17:08] <Encapsulation> after I clean this acid off of my hands body and desk
[17:08] <Encapsulation> then I will read the rules
[17:08] <IT_AFK> Sure, that's fine.
[17:08] <niston> haha xD
[17:11] <Bilby> no, do it now
[17:11] <Bilby> melty fingers are priority 2
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[17:37] <dominolx> Hi, so i got all my pi2 modle B 1GB stuff(cover, wifi usb, 16GB micro SD). I got Raspbian running as well and it would see everything is working well. Now I would like to something more familiar on the pi like a redhat based OS. is anyone running Fedora on there pi or something similar. Pidora looks dead as far as i can tell(one guy working on it, but to his credit he is very involved). I would like to get fedora 22 arm mimi on there :)
[17:38] <dominolx> anyone had any luck with fedora 22?
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[17:38] <ShorTie> i'd stick to the foundations raspbian, it is the most optimized os for then pi
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[17:40] <Nik05> can anyone recommend an SD card for the rpi?
[17:41] <dominolx> ShorTie: I have every intention to optimize my pi(the whole point of getting a pi was to understand linux customization and optimization)
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[17:41] <dominolx> I just want to know if anyone done it successfully :)
[17:42] <shiftplusone> there's nothing magic about it, you just need to know what you're doing.
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[17:43] <dominolx> shiftplusone: i think i read somewhere that if you are using fedora 21 you have to compile the kernel(5 hours on pi lol). is this still true for fedora 22?
[17:44] <shiftplusone> I don't know, I have no interest in fedora. But it shouldn't need (or have ever needed) a kernel compile.
[17:44] <shiftplusone> you can download a pre-compiled kernel using rpi-update
[17:47] <dominolx> well i think i should start tinkering and as i run into problems start asking question. it just would of been nice to get a confirmation that someone out there as it successfully running on fedora :)
[17:47] <dominolx> has*
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[17:57] <mxtm> hm the drive I wonder if I could power... My Passport WD
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> Yes, someone out there is. That someone out there isn't likely to be here.
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[18:00] <shiftplusone> Just based on the probability that out of the 5 fedora users, 2 of them happen to be in this channel. =P
[18:00] <dominolx> i just joined fedora-arm :)
[18:01] <dominolx> lol
[18:01] <dominolx> 5? more like 7
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[18:03] <dominolx> I'm a redhat fan boy can't help it and i don't distro hop. so for i usually use fedora/centos
[18:03] <dominolx> centos already announce that they are not interested in arm so fedora it is
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[18:08] <shiftplusone> well, centos mainly prey on people looking for a stable OS to install on a server. ARM users aren't a good demographic for that.
[18:08] <McBride36> i find it interesting you used the word prey lol
[18:08] <shiftplusone> because I'm a victim.
[18:09] <McBride36> bad experiences?
[18:09] <shiftplusone> xecdesign.com runs on centos because I'm too lazy to reinstall everything on debian.
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> bad experience, but it's not distro's fault.
[18:10] <shiftplusone> I didn't like the ancient and missing packages and lack of community
[18:10] <shiftplusone> but I understand why it is the way it is... it's just not for me.
[18:11] <dominolx> shiftplueone: so what do you use?
[18:12] <shiftplusone> on the pi or in general?
[18:12] <dominolx> pi and general?
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[18:12] <dominolx> desktop too
[18:12] <dominolx> desktop/server/pi <- your choices
[18:13] <shiftplusone> used to use arch on the pi, but have been mostly using raspbian over the last year. Linux mint on the desktop. Debian on the servers.
[18:13] <shiftplusone> used to use gentoo and arch on the desktop in the past, but ain't nobody got time for that.
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[18:17] <papy> Hi! Is it possible to manually install plex home theater on the raspberry pi 2? Or do I need to use Rasplex?
[18:18] <dominolx> I tried arch and it was fun for a while but it got tiring. tried Mint too but after a month started having problems that I had no interest in fixing(nothing to serious). Got tired of being a network guy (cisco). Now plan to take the RHCSA and RHCE so started using fedora/centos <- pretty have with them so far and it help with studies too :)
[18:20] <shiftplusone> http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/05/14/brazilian-pirates-are-loading-up-ps4s-with-copied-games
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[18:23] <dominolx> happy*
[18:24] <shiftplusone> Mint used to be a little rough around the edges. Haven't had problems with in the last year though
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[18:27] <Bilby> I rolled out Mint in replacement of XP on a few old systems last year, it works well
[18:27] <Bilby> i stripped off everything but a browser though, haha
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[18:28] <niston> is anyone working on a bare-metal IRC client?
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[18:29] <shiftplusone> sure... aren't you?
[18:29] <dominolx> At this stage unless i run into problems(that i have no interest of fixing) with fedora i think i will stick with it. The advantage of having fedora as my main OS as I'm studying form my RHCSA can't be over stated (sorry about all the typos)
[18:30] <niston> hah http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/IRCjr.html
[18:30] <niston> thats for DOS though
[18:30] <dominolx> i just have to use Mate. I really don't get Gnome 3. it gets in the way of my workflow.
[18:31] <niston> think I'll set that one up on my netbook
[18:31] <niston> won't need it anymore now that school is over
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[18:31] <niston> and besides its slow and old and crappy atom dual core so it wont work nice with wintendo
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[18:33] <shiftplusone> I used Gnome 3 for a few months
[18:33] <shiftplusone> I see potential there, but it's not quite there yet.
[18:33] <dominolx> how did you find it?
[18:34] <shiftplusone> the direction they're taking it in doesn't suit me though, so I don't think I'll revisit.
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[18:35] <shiftplusone> The whole ideology of 'get the clutter out of the way so you can focus on doing what you need to do' translates into 'making you spend way too long looking for the tool you need' for me.
[18:35] <shiftplusone> like notepadifying gedit and all that.
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[18:35] <shiftplusone> and making everything js and css based =S
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[18:37] <dominolx> yup!
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[18:38] <dominolx> it's good, it's just not my cup of coffee
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[18:39] <dominolx> are you on cinnamon? i wish fedora had a spin
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[18:40] <Froolap> dominolx: yes, I am running on fedora.
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[18:40] <dominolx> Hi Froolap
[18:40] <dominolx> got all my stuff!
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[18:41] <dominolx> did a test with raspbian
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[18:41] <dominolx> everything works, now need to get fedora running
[18:41] <artifice> Hey guys, my loopback interface is down on raspbian and won't start. Any ideas? http://termbin.com/mcqz
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[18:43] <dominolx> shiftpluseone: before end of this week we might have 2 fedora pi users at the same time in this chat ;)
[18:43] <shiftplusone> Froolap: is one of those
[18:43] <shiftplusone> so... 2 fedora users
[18:44] <Froolap> dominolx: which pi did you get?
[18:44] <shiftplusone> And yeah, I'm using cinnamon right now.
[18:44] <dominolx> raspberry pi 2 model B 1GB by element14
[18:44] <shiftplusone> no complaints about it... just works like you'd expect.
[18:45] <Froolap> well.... you want to get fedora running the easy way or the hard way?
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[18:45] <shiftplusone> Lol... so this is fun guys. You know all your pi2s aren't going above 600MHz by default? That's a bit of a configuration whoopsie...
[18:45] <dominolx> i would like fedora 22 arm mini if possible
[18:46] <shiftplusone> "900MHz pi!" (which only runs at 600MHz) >_<
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[18:47] <thescatman> shiftplusone, how so?
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[18:47] <Froolap> well. You got two choices as I see it....
[18:47] <shiftplusone> thescatman: the default governor is powersave. There's a service which switches to ondemand or something, but it doesn't run unless you overclock in raspi-config.
[18:48] <Froolap> The easy way is you run fedora21 and you download the image from me.
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[18:48] <Froolap> the hard way is you build your own image https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=105016
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[18:49] <dominolx> let me try the hard way first, see have that goes
[18:49] <Froolap> The thing is, that in that link there is a url for digitaldreams that had fedora-arm mis for several desktops.... but that url is no longer working, images are gone.
[18:49] <Froolap> I kept the image file I got for xfce4 for fedora on the pi2b and I can let you have it.
[18:50] <Froolap> I originally got the digitaldreams url from the guy who chairs the fedora-arm meetings..... so it was checked out..... though still not official as it's a spin.
[18:50] <thescatman> shiftplusone, well that's weird. Lucky I always overclock then, really
[18:50] <shiftplusone> I need to look into this more... not sure I've got it figured out, so some of that is probably wrong.
[18:53] <dominolx> Froolap: I think i will just pop fedora 22 image on in and see what happens
[18:54] <dominolx> I really would like 22 on the pi
[18:54] <Froolap> I can give you a good idea of what will happen, but maybe you can solve the problems that I could not.
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[18:54] <dominolx> Fedora-Server-armhfp-22_Beta-3-sda.raw.xz ?
[18:55] <Froolap> It looks REALLY promising you start to get the gui first boot config screen comeing upo, but the keyboard/mouse won't function so there's no place to go, can't get past first boot.
[18:55] <dominolx> tried this image?
[18:55] <thescatman> shiftplusone, sure you're not just seeing 600MHz because it's not at load?
[18:55] <Froolap> I think it has something to do with device-tree and kernel settings.... just didn't fly
[18:56] <shiftplusone> thescatman: yeah, it's definitely powersave
[18:56] <Froolap> dominolx: I'm not sure if I tried that particular image or not, probably not as I tend to not venture into beta if there's a stable available.
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[18:59] <Froolap> what I am using that just worked out of the box was PI2B-Fedora-Xfce-armhfp-21-5-20150219-1-sda-raw.xz
[18:59] <dominolx> i prefer stable too, but if something like keyboard doesn't work I venture out of stable and see if the issue has been resolved(I know, risky move)
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[19:00] <Pie_Mage> helloski
[19:00] <Froolap> it wasn't quite offically sanctioned by fedora-arm but I have to say that it was recommended by fedora-arm as they had the link to it in their wiki
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[19:01] <Froolap> dominolx: I don't think that the beta is going to be useful as it's a matter of kernel mismatch between supporting device-tree or not..... so devices aren't recogized.
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[19:02] <Coded1> hello all
[19:02] <Froolap> so it's likely going to be a matter of cross compiling a new kernel
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[19:03] <Froolap> but do go ahead, maybe to can find a way to cobble it together that I could not. Document what you are doing because if you get it working I want to do the same thing. :)
[19:04] <dominolx> I know i will be saying you were right but I will give it a shot and will document it :)
[19:04] <Pie_Mage> i'm using system() calls and using the /sys filesystem to export the GPIO, and the exporting works fine, but when I try to change the direction it gives me permission denied [raspbian, 256MB Model B]
[19:04] <Coded1> I'm new to the Raspberry Pi scene as well as python. I've connected the GPIO pin to a bread board and can toggle a simple led both via bash as well as through python. But with python I am having problems where it will only toggle on but not off
[19:04] <Coded1> http://pastebin.com/nRRt5F1E
[19:04] <Coded1> if someone has the time to take a look I would appreciate it
[19:05] <Froolap> dominolx: are you going to be doing this from a machine you won't need to reboot for a while?
[19:06] <Coded1> all the debugging print lines print in the proper order as well as looped
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[19:06] <dominolx> I don't have to reboot it, so yes i guess
[19:08] <Froolap> dominolx: to save you time, you might want to grab the image file that I'm using. my ftp server is slow so will likely take a half an hour. if you don't need it you can always delete it.....
[19:08] <Kawaii> Coded1, try switching lines 14 and 18
[19:08] <Kawaii> or rather, put a sleep after line 18
[19:08] <dominolx> send the link!
[19:09] <Froolap> no real link, just my ip address. 71.180.136.22
[19:09] <dominolx> okay
[19:09] <dominolx> ftp?
[19:09] <Froolap> the server is only there to share the fedora image and I turn it off when done.
[19:10] <Froolap> yeah point any ftp client to that ip addy
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[19:11] <Froolap> ftp://71.180.136.22/FTP/pub/
[19:11] <Coded1> Kawaii, http://pastebin.com/dUkjPShh
[19:12] <Coded1> seems to leave the pin in the HIGH state though
[19:12] <Coded1> which may make sense because the switch might be happening too fast for me to see it ....
[19:12] <Kawaii> yes
[19:12] <Froolap> let me know when you got it.
[19:12] <Kawaii> add a sleep after each of the output lines
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[19:13] <Coded1> Kawaii, much nicer
[19:13] <Coded1> thanks
[19:13] <Kawaii> np
[19:14] <Coded1> how fast can the PI2 toggle GPIO? Same as the original PI ?
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[19:14] <Kawaii> idk but you were watching it toggle with the code that had no sleep
[19:14] <dominolx> Froolap: thx! downloading now
[19:15] <Coded1> true, but I assume it can do better than approx 60Hz
[19:15] <Coded1> apparently some have hit around 1MHz
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[19:48] <sajingeo> has anyone used PWM for motor control and audio to play a sound at the same time.? wiring pi wont work :(
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[19:50] <pksato> sajingeo: using software PWM.
[19:50] <Froolap> sajingeo: nope, you are the first one on the entire planet. :O
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[19:51] <pksato> or, using hdmi audui extractor, and free onde of PWM used on audio.
[19:53] <pksato> wiring pi have a software pwm.
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[20:05] <sajingeo> ok... i should try that.. thank you pksato & Froolap
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[20:10] <pksato> or use module like this https://www.adafruit.com/products/815
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[20:41] <dominolx> Froolap: download finish, thx!
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[20:41] <Froolap> cool, what was the speed?
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[20:42] <dominolx> about 200KiB/sec
[20:42] <dominolx> ls
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[20:45] <Froolap> about what I was expecting, thanks
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[20:53] <dominolx> is it nessesary to rename .raw to .iso before dd? i really don't see the need
[20:53] <dominolx> necessary *
[20:54] <SineDeviance> dominolx: it should not be
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[20:55] <SineDeviance> dominolx: when you dd an image it should work no matter what the file extension is, assuming it's all good data :D
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[20:55] <IT_Sean> The extension could be .bacon for all dd cares
[20:55] <SineDeviance> i.e. "dd imagefile.blowme" should work perfectly fine :D
[20:55] <SineDeviance> yep
[20:55] <IT_Sean> SineDeviance: easy there.... read the channel rules re: adult / explicit content
[20:55] <SineDeviance> haha .bacon, i dig that
[20:56] * IT_Sean sends SineDeviance a .bacon file
[20:56] <dominolx> that's what i thought. i did run sha256sum, so file should be good
[20:56] <SineDeviance> yeah. if the checksums match you should be good to go
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[20:56] <SineDeviance> keep in mind that block size is important
[20:56] <SineDeviance> don't try to dd from one microSD brand to another, the amount of blocks and the block size is often different
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[20:57] <SineDeviance> bad things can happen
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[20:58] <dominolx> size shouldn't be an issue. 4GB to 16GB
[20:59] <saedelaere> I am using this toolchain https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools for cross compiling a simple test application. The c++ application is linked against libpthread and was build with std=c++11. It runs without problems on my pi and I can debug it on my pi.
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[20:59] <Froolap> blink
[20:59] <saedelaere> whenever I try to remote debug this application with gdbserver it crashes
[20:59] <Froolap> dominolx: no it'sd not a rename, xz is compressed to save transfer time
[21:00] <saedelaere> here is the debug ouput on the pi https://bpaste.net/show/9bc692956154
[21:00] <dominolx> lol, I uncompressed it first of course
[21:00] <Froolap> I uncompressed the xz file and then used Win32Diskimager to write to sd card.
[21:00] <saedelaere> I think the most important line is td_ta_new(): application not linked with libthread
[21:01] <saedelaere> has anyone any idea what this means?
[21:01] <dominolx> is Win32Diskimager a windows application?
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[21:01] <Froolap> yes
[21:01] <saedelaere> this did wotk without problems some month ago
[21:02] <saedelaere> has anyone tried to remotely debug a c++ application that was linked against thread?
[21:02] <dominolx> I haven't had a working windows machine for the last 6 months :(
[21:02] <dominolx> dd should work fine
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[21:03] <Froolap> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[21:03] <Froolap> yup
[21:03] <dominolx> never had an issue with dd
[21:04] <Froolap> I'm skittish about dd..... I'm afraid I'll write to wrong disk
[21:04] <IT_Sean> Don't do that
[21:04] <IT_Sean> It would be Bad.
[21:05] <dominolx> plug it in, dmesg, and dd
[21:05] <TheLostAdmin> I like dd, it lets me do things that I'm probably not supposed to do.
[21:06] <methuzla> nice -> https://www.raspberrypi.org/price-cut-raspberry-pi-model-b-now-only-25/
[21:06] <Froolap> dominolx: you might want to try to build your own image the hard way..... to be fair, I got that image from a fly by night site, I'm using that image and don't see anything odd with it, *I* haven't tampered with it. but I too am a fly by night ftp server.....
[21:06] <Froolap> I sincerly think that it's good or I wouldn't share..... but it is the internet....
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[21:07] <dominolx> no worries :)
[21:07] <dominolx> i did get the pi to go gray before my time ;)
[21:08] <Froolap> lol
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[21:08] <Froolap> uh.... one thing I did notice.... yum repos seem to include squeeze which I believe is a raspbarian thing, I'm not sure why those are in there
[21:10] <Froolap> maybe they should be to get pi specific things. I dunno.... I'm no guru
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[21:14] <Froolap> I should rebuild my network
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[21:15] <TheLostAdmin> Froolap, could you come rebuild my network too? Wifi is crappy in the bedroom. So, I can't watch netflix in bed because of all the pausing to cache the stream.
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[21:16] <dominolx> TheLostAdin: CenturyLink?
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[21:16] <TheLostAdmin> foot-thick concrete and rebar reinforced structural wall.
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[21:17] <dominolx> TheLostAdmin: solution; it called cat6 cable :)
[21:18] <dominolx> i have a 50 ft cable because CenturyLink router sucks :(
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[21:19] <TheLostAdmin> I don't have a drill (or patients) to drill a hole through that structural wall, it's more than 100ft if I snake a cable around the edges of rooms, and the longest cable I've got is 50ft.
[21:20] <TheLostAdmin> Oh, and I haven't found the right spot to put a wifi repeater so I can actually get the signal to reach properly.
[21:20] <dominolx> don't install it just use it hopefully nobody trips on it though
[21:21] <TheLostAdmin> I would probably be the one to trip on.
[21:21] <dominolx> :/
[21:22] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin: make a longer cable.
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[21:22] <TheLostAdmin> IT_Sean, I'm running into distance issues or trip on the cable issues. So, for now, no Internet in the bedroom.
[21:23] <TheLostAdmin> On the plus side, very little interference from the neighbours wifi because of the walls.
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[21:25] <dominolx> why do you live in a bunker
[21:25] <dominolx> ?
[21:26] <IT_Sean> Run. THe cable. Through. The. Wall. It's not hard.
[21:26] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[21:27] <dominolx> he lives in a bunker so it would be hard
[21:27] <ozzzy> naw... they make long drill bits
[21:28] <IT_Sean> ^
[21:28] <TheLostAdmin> It's bunker-like. It's a 1970's hirise building. They decided to use concrete and rebar for structure instead of steel I-beams.
[21:28] <TheLostAdmin> the drill through wall thing is a tad challenging as a result.
[21:28] <ozzzy> so... use a masonery bit
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[21:29] <ozzzy> masonary... masoniry... damned schwas
[21:29] <TheLostAdmin> It may come to that.
[21:29] <ozzzy> just keep trying till you miss the rebar
[21:29] <ozzzy> [grin]
[21:29] <[Saint]> $appropriate_time_of_day_greeting, $all
[21:30] <[Saint]> ozzzy: I prefer missionary
[21:30] <ozzzy> boring
[21:30] <[Saint]> Better than masonry..
[21:30] <[Saint]> Much less chaffing.
[21:31] <[Saint]> On a completely unrelated note, E
[21:32] <[Saint]> *Ex Machina is really difficult to watch.
[21:32] <IT_Sean> TheLostAdmin: Get a concrete bit. Try to not drill throguh rebar.
[21:32] <[Saint]> Both due to being mildly crap, and a severe uncanny vally sensation.
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[21:33] <[Saint]> I wanted it to be a good film. It could have been...
[21:33] <ozzzy> if you hit rebar switch to a carbide cutter
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[21:33] <[Saint]> Thermal lance.
[21:34] <[Saint]> That's where its at.
[21:34] <[Saint]> (and surprisingly easy to make)
[21:34] <TheLostAdmin> I like the indistrial lazer idea.
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[21:35] <dominolx> or just buy 100 ft cable
[21:35] <[Saint]> ...and the foolishly expensive bolun to go with it?
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[21:36] <[Saint]> long cable runs are often a far less practical idea.
[21:37] <[Saint]> I had to drill that into clients on a near daily basis.
[21:37] <[Saint]> ...yes, we can route around this, that, and the other thing - but you don't want us to.
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[21:38] <dominolx> not in his case
[21:39] <dominolx> i am guessing he is renting i don't think they would be happy if they found out he drilled a hole in the wall
[21:39] <[Saint]> I would like to assume that s/he isn't demonstrably insane and made a measured estimate on the pros and cons before considering drilling through reenforced concrete.
[21:39] <[Saint]> ...but, admittedly, one never knows.
[21:39] <TheLostAdmin> I'm sure I will be fine not being able to watch netflix in the bedroom. The TV in the living room is bigger anyway.
[21:39] <[Saint]> android+chromecast
[21:40] <IT_Sean> dominolx: that is what toothpaste and cheap paint is for
[21:40] <[Saint]> you'll quite literally never regret getting a chromecast.
[21:40] <[Saint]> cheap, and trememdously useful.
[21:40] <[Saint]> (and no cables)
[21:41] <TheLostAdmin> I'm currently using roku. Same idea, less google
[21:41] <[Saint]> ..and dead. :P
[21:41] <IT_Sean> "less google" is a good thing
[21:41] * IT_Sean <3s his Roku
[21:41] <[Saint]> debateable.
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[21:41] <IT_Sean> With Google, you are not the customer, you are the product.
[21:41] <[Saint]> ...duh.
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[21:42] <[Saint]> Same with many other vendors.
[21:42] <[Saint]> Next?
[21:42] <TheLostAdmin> with Apple, I am the customer. Just not in the target market.
[21:42] <dominolx> IT_Sean: I like how you put that ;)
[21:43] <TheLostAdmin> With roku, I am the customer.
[21:43] <[Saint]> It's a cost vs. gain scenario, like any other. Many people think the perceived risks are far outweighed by the demonstrable benefits.
[21:43] <[Saint]> That doesn't make them insane, nor Google evil.
[21:45] <dominolx> google has hit a point were i avoid it as much as possible. i miss the early google days
[21:45] <dominolx> where*
[21:45] <ozzzy> I love google
[21:45] <dominolx> I loved google :(
[21:46] <shiftplusone> I'm neutral about google.
[21:46] <[Saint]> Why is it people think they need to align themselves with a companies practices and ethics in order to make use of the services offered?
[21:46] <[Saint]> It seems odd to me.
[21:46] <[Saint]> Its a great service, regardles what you think of them.
[21:46] <ozzzy> I use google search, google print, google drive, google voice, google mail....
[21:46] <Kardos> you're locked in1
[21:46] <[Saint]> In a word "bullpucky'.
[21:47] <ozzzy> ok col potter
[21:47] <shiftplusone> Google doesn't seem to lock you in too much
[21:47] <shiftplusone> certainly not like apple and ms try to
[21:47] <[Saint]> (there's probably only one person here familiar with that term, lol)
[21:47] <Kardos> [Saint], which is you?
[21:47] <TheLostAdmin> It's not a matter of aligning myself with the companies practices and ethics it's the fact that I find the way that the practices and ethics have appeared to shift over the last few years make it too high a risk of loss of privacy to continue to make use of the otherwise excellent services offered by Google.
[21:47] <ozzzy> privacy schmivacy
[21:47] <shiftplusone> I don't think schmivacy is a word
[21:47] <[Saint]> Kardos: one other, I should say - I'm reasonably willing to bet that shiftplusone is aware of it
[21:48] <ozzzy> that's ok... I don't think privacy exists
[21:48] <shiftplusone> what am I aware of? O_o
[21:48] <ozzzy> shiftplusone, nothing... these aren't the droids you're looking for
[21:48] <[Saint]> 'bullpucky", I assume that crossed the ditch?
[21:48] <[Saint]> possibly in the older generations.
[21:48] <Kardos> mm
[21:49] <shiftplusone> nope
[21:49] <[Saint]> I stand corrected.
[21:49] <shiftplusone> well, I know what it means, but not as.. a thing that is a thing.
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[21:50] <shiftplusone> anyway... noodles, alcohol and game of thrones time.
[21:50] <TheLostAdmin> sounds like a good idea, shiftplusone.
[21:50] <dominolx> ozzzy: total privacy no, but I still think some privacy is still possible.
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[21:51] <TheLostAdmin> I must be off for drinks.
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[21:51] <[Saint]> I ruined GoT for myself by pre-watching up til E05 when it leaked.
[21:51] <[Saint]> Still kicking myself for it. Now I have to wait aaaaaaages.
[21:52] <noodle> yay
[21:52] <noodle> me and alcohol
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[21:53] <Encapsulation> anyuone here used webiopi
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[21:56] <ozzzy> dominolx, people put stuff out onto the internet and then whine that their privacy had been breached if it gets out into the wild.... it's idiocy
[21:58] <Kardos> ozzzy, what about email?
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[21:58] <Kardos> if you have to email something to someone, is that "putting it out there" ?
[21:58] <ozzzy> Kardos, if you send it over the net figure that it's as good as broadcast
[21:59] <Kardos> the same thing could be said for normal mail
[21:59] <ozzzy> yep
[21:59] <Kardos> once you hand it to the post office, it's a free for all
[21:59] <Kardos> --yet--
[21:59] <ozzzy> exactly
[21:59] <Kardos> we have really strong mail privacy laws
[21:59] <ozzzy> we have really strong anti-bank-robbing laws too
[21:59] <Kardos> why don't we get that for email and the like as well?
[22:00] <osxyer> are raspberry pis all build by the same company?
[22:00] <ozzzy> would that stop anyone reading it?
[22:00] <Kardos> people don't read your snail mail
[22:00] <ozzzy> of course they do
[22:00] <Kardos> ell the receipient does.. *smack*
[22:00] <ozzzy> if you're on a watch list one of several organizations might be reading your snail mail
[22:01] <Kardos> no, all mail is not opened and copied
[22:01] <ozzzy> MI5 used to read ALL of the mail to/from addresses on their watch lists
[22:01] <Kardos> and all prisoners mail is read
[22:01] <Kardos> but that's a far cry from every letter
[22:02] <ozzzy> and if they didn't have the warrant to open the envelopes then they logged the addresses etc.
[22:02] <Kardos> so why don't we have warrants for emails?
[22:02] <Kardos> what really is the difference from the end user's point?
[22:02] <Kardos> two mechanisms for communicating, one is faster than the other
[22:02] <ozzzy> rule is.... if you have something to hide don't send information by mail (snail or e)
[22:02] <Kardos> why does one get legal protection requiring warrants, the other not?
[22:02] <ozzzy> corollary 1 is 'if you have nothing to hide don't worry'
[22:03] <Kardos> yawn
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[22:04] <[Saint]> Smells to me like someone is forgetting mail coming through customs.
[22:04] <Kardos> bring out 'if you have nothing to hide' means you forfeit any privacy debate, much like Godwinning a discussion
[22:04] <Encapsulation> is there a problem with mixing lead and lead free solder ont he same tip?
[22:04] <[Saint]> That certainly _is_ heavily scrutinized.
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[22:05] <[Saint]> Encapsulation: nah
[22:05] <ozzzy> and opened routinely
[22:05] <[Saint]> just keep it clean and tinned, and you're good.
[22:06] <[Saint]> ozzzy: yeah, I was needlessly vague I guess.
[22:06] <Kardos> again, a far cry from all letters
[22:06] <[Saint]> I was counting that as part of said scrutiny.
[22:06] * ozzzy really doesn't care if they read all his mail
[22:06] <[Saint]> Kardos: what's the implication here, that all email is gobbled up?
[22:06] <[Saint]> Some or all, does it matter?
[22:06] <[Saint]> ...it happens.
[22:06] <[Saint]> We know it does.
[22:06] <[Saint]> Next.
[22:07] <Kardos> yes, we know the state of affairs is dismal w/r/t privacy
[22:07] <ozzzy> google has access to ALL my email... what that do with that I have no idea and I'm not losing sleep
[22:07] <ozzzy> er... s/that/they
[22:07] * Kardos shrugs
[22:07] <Kardos> privacy hostile crowd i guess
[22:08] <[Saint]> Just nutbag hostile.
[22:08] <ozzzy> I guess it's a double-edge sword
[22:08] <[Saint]> The two intertwine.
[22:08] <ozzzy> LOL
[22:10] <[Saint]> And, it is double edged. I agree. With much hostility. I respect people's right to wear all the tinfoil hats they like, so long as they respect my right to not give a crap about it and let me use the services I wish without being berated for it.
[22:10] <ozzzy> I strongly dislike companies that say 'we'll email you a password' and then don't
[22:10] <ozzzy> [Saint], true
[22:10] <[Saint]> Nor being told how evil something is or how wrong I am for supporting it and being a facist or a cog in the man's machine.
[22:10] <ozzzy> right on brother
[22:13] <[Saint]> That's one reason I like OpenIdent, but it has issues in itself.
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[22:15] <[Saint]> OpenIdent with a strong root passphrase and 2FA should be good enough for almost everyone.
[22:16] <[Saint]> As long as you're not the type of person who logs into public access machines regularly, or if you have a habit of forgetting to log out.
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[22:19] <Encapsulation> so if on my old tip it looked all dry and flaky and solder didnt stick well
[22:19] <Encapsulation> was that because the tip is ruined, and needed to have been kept tinned better?
[22:19] <Encapsulation> or was it just normal wear?
[22:19] <Encapsulation> I just got a new iron and I want to take care of it
[22:19] <[Saint]> The former, due to the latter.
[22:19] <[Saint]> Oxidization is NOT your friend here.
[22:20] <[Saint]> That's why we tin.
[22:20] <Encapsulation> so before and after each joint I just put a bit of solder on the tip?
[22:20] <Encapsulation> is that tinning
[22:20] <Encapsulation> I usually do it before but not so much after
[22:20] <Encapsulation> and I probably ruined the tip quickly to the point where it would never tin well
[22:21] <[Saint]> just prior to each use should be sufficient.
[22:21] <[Saint]> that's all I do.
[22:21] <[Saint]> I just wrap a bit of solder around the tip while its heating.
[22:21] <[Saint]> otherwise known as the lazy-bum method.
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[22:22] <McBride36> u lazy bum, that's genius
[22:22] * [Saint] should point out that we /also/ tin because the tip is near useless without it and will not transfer heat.
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[22:23] <[Saint]> but without it, it'll oxidize, and ruin quickly.
[22:23] <[Saint]> McBride36: heh - thanks
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[22:33] <MrKillius24> hi
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[22:36] <Aldem> Hello
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[22:36] <Encapsulation> sup Aldem
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[22:36] <Encapsulation> how's everything been?
[22:36] <MrKillius24> I need to know does streaming to rmtp server from a raspberry pi in 720p 30fps sound insane?
[22:36] <Aldem> So I have a Rapberry B+. 1s model. Can I do something great with it, no because I'd need the 2nd model ?
[22:37] <Encapsulation> 1 model is just fine
[22:37] <Encapsulation> 2nd model overrated
[22:37] <Encapsulation> you can do lots of things
[22:37] <Encapsulation> anything, really
[22:37] <Encapsulation> if you want to do video or game stuff
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[22:37] <Encapsulation> not so much compared to 2
[22:37] <Encapsulation> but if you want to do real work
[22:37] <Encapsulation> solve real problems
[22:37] <Encapsulation> pi 1 will do it
[22:37] <MrKillius24> But can the b+ do rmtp 720p 30 fps
[22:37] <MrKillius24> Is that possible
[22:37] <MrKillius24> ?
[22:38] <Encapsulation> streaming?
[22:38] <Encapsulation> probably
[22:38] <Encapsulation> I don't know
[22:38] <MrKillius24> I need to find a way of doing that
[22:38] <Encapsulation> rendering it would take more processing power than streaming it
[22:38] <Encapsulation> I would think thaty would be no problem
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[22:38] <Encapsulation> pi is pretty fast
[22:38] <Encapsulation> whats your project?
[22:39] <MrKillius24> I want to prove to my friend that my b+ can stream to hitbox
[22:39] <MrKillius24> I'm a bad developer but hopefully it's not too hard
[22:39] <Encapsulation> thats a social streaming site?
[22:39] <Encapsulation> is there a linux client ?
[22:39] <Encapsulation> or server
[22:39] <Encapsulation> for stream
[22:39] <Encapsulation> the pi would run that natively
[22:39] <[Saint]> some sports ripoff service.
[22:40] <MrKillius24> hitbox is gaming streaming site
[22:40] <Encapsulation> so its lioke twitch
[22:40] <MrKillius24> I can look at obs multiplat code
[22:40] <MrKillius24> Kind of
[22:40] <shiftplusone> Looks like GoT really decided to diverge from the books O_o
[22:40] <Encapsulation> MrKillius24,
[22:40] <Encapsulation> http://screenstudio.crombz.com/instructions.html
[22:40] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: yyyyyeaaaaap
[22:40] <Encapsulation> should be able to stream to hitbox from the pi
[22:41] <Encapsulation> might be worth looking into
[22:41] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: where are you at?
[22:41] <MrKillius24> I need to do this
[22:41] <shiftplusone> [Saint], quarter of the way into S05E03
[22:41] <Encapsulation> MrKillius24, https://launchpad.net/~soylent-tv/+archive/ubuntu/screenstudio
[22:41] <MrKillius24> It will work?
[22:41] <Encapsulation> one option
[22:41] <Encapsulation> maybe
[22:41] <MrKillius24> How can I get that running off java embedded
[22:41] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: holy...is it that far yet, or have you jumped ahead?
[22:42] <MrKillius24> Because that's the only jre on arm right?
[22:42] <[Saint]> I got to S05E0{4|5} just from the leaks.
[22:42] <Encapsulation> http://screenstudio.crombz.com/
[22:42] <[Saint]> kinda ruined it for myself.
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[22:42] <shiftplusone> I think e04 is the last aired one, but I'm not sure.
[22:43] <[Saint]> Ah.
[22:43] <MrKillius24> Does it run on the pi?
[22:43] <MrKillius24> I need to find this out
[22:43] <Encapsulation> I don't see why it wouldnt
[22:43] <Encapsulation> the pi runs linux
[22:43] <Encapsulation> you can run any distro
[22:43] <[Saint]> ANyway, yeah, I haven't been much of a fan of the series since about a quarter of the way through series 2
[22:43] <Encapsulation> that software should work on raspbian
[22:43] <MrKillius24> You know about the java runtime environements
[22:43] <MrKillius24> Right?
[22:43] <Encapsulation> its tested for ubuntu
[22:43] <MrKillius24> That java embedded and normal jre is different
[22:43] <[Saint]> If you re-watched it, I suspect you might form a distain for it as well.
[22:43] <MrKillius24> ubuntu isn't on arm
[22:43] <Encapsulation> MrKillius24, I don't know... what do you know?
[22:43] <Encapsulation> about linux?
[22:43] <Encapsulation> or the pi?
[22:43] <Encapsulation> anything?
[22:44] <Encapsulation> ive never had a linux app not work so just try it maybe? i dont have time to debate it
[22:44] <MrKillius24> It's java , you need the proper java runtime envir to run it
[22:44] <Encapsulation> im busy working on my 3 pis
[22:44] <Encapsulation> creating new inventions
[22:44] <shiftplusone> Hm, no I don't have any problem with it. If they want to do things differently, but all means... it's another take on the story.
[22:44] <Encapsulation> writin c++ software
[22:44] <MrKillius24> It's java
[22:44] <Encapsulation> its java its java
[22:44] <Encapsulation> show me the error man
[22:44] <[Saint]> Encapsulation: yeah - it's pretty much not happening
[22:44] <MrKillius24> ScreenStudio.jar <--
[22:44] <Encapsulation> if that one doesnt work for you there are plenty more
[22:44] <MrKillius24> You cannot run normal jva code on arm
[22:45] <[Saint]> And no, there aren;t plenty of options here.
[22:45] <Encapsulation> then find an alternatie app
[22:45] <[Saint]> there's very few.
[22:45] <Encapsulation> the pooint is there will be plentt of options
[22:45] <MrKillius24> I know
[22:45] <[Saint]> not even one, I think, actually.
[22:45] <Encapsulation> I've never found ANY problem the pi cant solve
[22:45] <[Saint]> You've not been trying hard enough dude.
[22:45] <MrKillius24> I think it might be a case of me coding it from scratch
[22:45] <[Saint]> There a LOT of things a pi can't solve.
[22:45] <Encapsulation> MrKillius24, HIGHly unlikely
[22:45] <MrKillius24> but I have no experience with rmtp
[22:45] <MrKillius24> protocol and my socket skills are wonky
[22:46] <Encapsulation> you're doing it backwards
[22:46] <Encapsulation> assuming you need to reinvent the wheel
[22:46] <Encapsulation> have you begun your research?>
[22:46] <[Saint]> the 'forwards' way is to just bark things at people and hope they work?
[22:46] <MrKillius24> I assume that I couldn't find anything that solves my problem
[22:46] <Encapsulation> or are you just making assumptions
[22:46] <[Saint]> ...k
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[22:47] <MrKillius24> personally I learned to code and engineering in itself is about solving problems
[22:47] <MrKillius24> I will look at code and see if I can base it off someone else's
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[22:47] <[Saint]> The short answer is the above mentioned solution flatly isn;t going to happen.
[22:48] <[Saint]> So we can forget that right now.
[22:48] <MrKillius24> What solution?
[22:48] <MrKillius24> Streaming off the raspberry pi?
[22:48] <Encapsulation> research google and find multiple solutions
[22:48] <Encapsulation> you have not done that yet it would appear
[22:48] <Encapsulation> why assume you need to start from scratch
[22:48] <Encapsulation> would you rewrite the stl
[22:48] <MrKillius24> Never
[22:48] <MrKillius24> That is just dumb
[22:49] <MrKillius24> but I can look at obs code and do a arm port
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[22:49] <Encapsulation> if you're just looking for an interesting project why not
[22:49] <Encapsulation> we all have different deadlines
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[22:50] <[Saint]> MrKillius24: re: "Not going to happen", screenstudio on a pi
[22:50] <[Saint]> The very second we see 'default-jre' we can give that up in this instance.
[22:51] <Encapsulation> I shoud have pasted him google itself instead of the first result
[22:51] <Encapsulation> I agree
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[22:51] <CaptainTygak> Hello, I just purchased a Pi 2, and it arrived today. I realized that I don't actually have any MicroSD cards, anymore. I did some poking around and found that there are a lot of cards that aren't compatible and break. Does anyone have any recommendations, preferably something I could pick up at best buy on the way home tonight
[22:51] <Encapsulation> he will find the multitude of solutions available
[22:52] <ozzzy> CaptainTygak, I just buy whatever bestbuy has on sale
[22:52] <Encapsulation> and the inanity of this argument will become clear
[22:52] <[Saint]> CaptainTygak: there's really only one case I'm aware of of a card that is actually genuinely incompatible.
[22:52] <[Saint]> CaptainTygak: though there are a LOT of unfounded claims.
[22:52] <CaptainTygak> I read on the elinux wiki that a bunch of the Samsung Evo cards don't work
[22:52] <[Saint]> the TL;DR version is "buy from a reputable source and vendor and you'll probably be OK"
[22:53] <ozzzy> I grabbed some Kingston 16G cards.... they work fine
[22:53] <ozzzy> they were on sale cheap
[22:53] <[Saint]> As in, don't buy 'em from DealExtreme, et al.
[22:53] <[Saint]> lol
[22:54] <CaptainTygak> Alright, thanks!
[22:54] <[Saint]> I recommend not using a migh capacity microSD at all.
[22:54] <[Saint]> You only need it to be like ~32MB
[22:54] <[Saint]> Dump /root on USB, you'll not regret doing so.
[22:54] <[Saint]> s/migh/high/
[22:55] <CaptainTygak> Okay, I'll see about picking up a non-trash USB drive, as well, haha
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[22:56] <[Saint]> It needn't be fast.
[22:56] <[Saint]> The pi won't win any awards for throughput.
[22:57] <[Saint]> USB high speed is pleeeeeeenty.
[22:57] <CaptainTygak> I imagine not. Pi's not built for doing anything stupidly fast
[22:57] <[Saint]> I dunno.
[22:57] <[Saint]> That GPU is pretty insane.
[22:57] <[Saint]> We just don't get to play with a lot of it like I think we should.
[22:58] <CaptainTygak> Well, no.
[22:58] <doomlord> how does the rpi gpu compare to the fastest arm socs out there
[22:58] <CaptainTygak> But I kind of doubt it compares to proper desktop graphics, like, say, a gtx980
[22:58] <doomlord> eg very latest ipad
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[22:58] <[Saint]> fairly poorly.
[22:59] <doomlord> i still want an rpi driving a discrete gpu :) (however dumb that sounds)
[23:00] <CaptainTygak> Oh, can the Pi 2 do "weird" resolutions like 1024x600?
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[23:02] <[Saint]> CaptainTygak: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[23:03] <MrKillius24> saints I said streaming from a raspberry pi
[23:03] <MrKillius24> I never said I would get screenstudio to work
[23:04] <[Saint]> I realize that, nevermind.
[23:04] <[Saint]> It was one of the misguided proposed solutions.
[23:04] <MrKillius24> I am looking for a solution
[23:04] <[Saint]> I realize that also.
[23:04] <MrKillius24> Do you have any ideas?
[23:04] <[Saint]> WHich is why I was interested in viable ones being proposed.
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[23:05] <MrKillius24> I might chance a look around ##c
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[23:06] <CaptainTygak> Aha, so I could probably switch my projector over to 576p
[23:07] <CaptainTygak> Or just downscale on the projector.
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[23:09] <[Saint]> CaptainTygak: yeah - sorry for the idirect answer.
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[23:10] <[Saint]> I was thinking it easier to show you _all_ supported modes and let you come to your own conclusions.
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[23:10] <CaptainTygak> Not a problem. I'm just problem solving a bit, haha
[23:12] <[Saint]> I never know where to draw the line between, nor how to balance, "teach a man to fish" and "give a man a fish".
[23:12] <[Saint]> Some people want the former, others the latter.
[23:14] <CaptainTygak> There's always "teaching a fish to give a man"
[23:15] <CaptainTygak> That was actually super helpful, though. I'm gonna need that page tonight.
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[23:17] <[Saint]> I have always found it slightly weird that RPF outsources all their technical documents.
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[23:18] <[Saint]> Apparently not deliberately, but, still.
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[23:18] <[Saint]> It seems like everyone _but_ RPF hosts extensive technical documents on the raspi.
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[23:19] <[Saint]> I can't really explain how that happened.
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[23:19] <[Saint]> between elinux, and archwiki, you've pretty much got everything you'll ever need to know ever.
[23:20] <[Saint]> (if you haven't used archwiki, take the time to peruse what I happen to think is the single best orchestrated compilation of technical documentation in the world)
[23:23] <MrKillius24> That's pushing it but it's a great wiki
[23:23] <[Saint]> If you have other candidates, I'm all ears.
[23:24] <CaptainTygak> Is archwiki actually relevant, if I'm just going to be using Raspbian?
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[23:24] <CaptainTygak> also, wookiepedia is pretty great
[23:25] <[Saint]> CaptainTygak: for many things, yes. But not all. And the distinction isn't necessarily obvious.
[23:25] <[Saint]> So, there's that, yeah.
[23:25] <[Saint]> Easy solution - use Arch. :p
[23:25] <[Saint]> There's literally dozens of us!
[23:25] <CaptainTygak> I'm more familiar with debian-based distros
[23:26] <[Saint]> That shouldn't necessarily mean you deliberately limit yourself to just that, though, surely.
[23:26] <[Saint]> And raspi makes it foolishly easy to hop between distors.
[23:26] <[Saint]> *ros
[23:26] <CaptainTygak> Well, of course not. It's just a pain in the butt to switch between... Wait. Just swap SD cards. Durp
[23:27] <CaptainTygak> Arright, I'll give it a shot
[23:27] <CaptainTygak> I haven't dual-booted multiple linux distros in forever. Is it possible to use the same root folder in different distros, if the root is stored on a different drive?
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[23:28] <Encrypt> I want this so much :x --> http://www.elecfreaks.com/store/gprsgsm-moduleefcom-pro-efcompro-p-450.html
[23:28] <[Saint]> It does highly depend on the use case, though. While many appreciate the freedom a minimal install gives, just as many dislike being bumped in a shell with little more than a root prompt.
[23:28] <CaptainTygak> I mean, it should be, right?
[23:28] <[Saint]> Lots of people freak out with no X or windowmanager.
[23:28] <CaptainTygak> Encrypt: that looks awesome
[23:29] <Encrypt> CaptainTygak, Would I have it
[23:29] <Encrypt> I'd connect it to the Raspberry Pi with a USB soudn card adapter
[23:29] <Encrypt> And connect it to UART too
[23:29] <Encrypt> So, I'd be able to send text messages and call friends directly from my PC, worldwide
[23:29] <Encrypt> Without additional cost
[23:30] <CaptainTygak> Do
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[23:30] <CaptainTygak> I assume you need a SIM, right?
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[23:30] <Encrypt> CaptainTygak, Yes
[23:30] <Encrypt> I have one
[23:31] <Encrypt> A €6.99 plan
[23:31] <Encrypt> 1 hours, unlimited SMS
[23:31] <Encrypt> -s
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[23:32] <CaptainTygak> That's super cool.
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[23:33] <[Saint]> that's about $10NZD
[23:33] <[Saint]> not /terrible/
[23:33] <[Saint]> pre-paid, I assume?
[23:33] <[Saint]> (and no data?)
[23:33] <Encrypt> [Saint], 50 MB Data
[23:34] <Encrypt> And dot pre-paid
[23:34] <Encrypt> not*
[23:34] <[Saint]> Ah. Yeah. Not terrible.
[23:34] <[Saint]> Oh. Hmmm.
[23:34] <CaptainTygak> If you're in the UK, you might wanna look at FreedomPop. It's 100% free
[23:34] <[Saint]> That sours the milk slightly.
[23:34] <Encrypt> It's a real contract
[23:34] <CaptainTygak> It's been available here in the US for a while, but it's rolling out in the UK this summer
[23:34] <Encrypt> CaptainTygak, I'm in France :}
[23:35] <[Saint]> I pay $19 for 10GB LTE, 2 hours any network international, unlimited national, and unlimited SMS, prepaid.
[23:35] <CaptainTygak> Oh, derp, that's a euro symbol, not GBP
[23:35] <[Saint]> ...NZ is pretty damn sweet.
[23:35] <papy> Hi! I've just tried playing videos on my rpi2 with both rasplex and osmc. I get that too-fluid, 60fps look on 24fps videos. Is there a way to fix that?
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[23:35] <CaptainTygak> Man, I've been talking to too many brits lately
[23:35] <[Saint]> Well, we did kinda colonize most of the free world, so... :p
[23:35] <Encrypt> [Saint], But you know, that's because the operator I have is "Orange"
[23:36] <Encrypt> "Free" does 2€ contracts with 2h voice calls + SMS unlimited + 50MB data
[23:36] <CaptainTygak> My plan is like $80USD a month for unlimited LTE
[23:37] <[Saint]> non-terrible
[23:37] <[Saint]> I burn through 10GB pretty quickly
[23:37] <[Saint]> My home throughput is insane too. >.>
[23:37] <Encrypt> But...
[23:37] * Encrypt needs a Raspberry Pi 2
[23:38] * antivirtel needs it too!
[23:38] <Encrypt> Would I buy the GSM stuff, I won't have enough power on my Raspberry Pi B with 256MB RAM
[23:38] <Encrypt> If I set an asterisk server
[23:38] <CaptainTygak> Saint, what's your non-mobile data like in NZ?
[23:39] <[Saint]> I checked last months throughput stats the other day and in a month this house managed to pull down just under 1.1TB and push out just over 800GB.
[23:39] <[Saint]> I'm not really my telcos favourite customer.
[23:39] <CaptainTygak> I imagine not.
[23:39] <[Saint]> CaptainTygak: not awful, not great.
[23:39] <CaptainTygak> What kind of up and down speeds are you getting?
[23:40] <CaptainTygak> At home I get like 30mbit down, 5mbit up and it's like $140US a month...
[23:41] <Encrypt> Wow
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[23:41] <[Saint]> I can do around 100/40
[23:41] <Encrypt> $140 a month? (O.o)
[23:41] <Encrypt> Just fr the internet?
[23:41] <Encrypt> for*
[23:42] <[Saint]> not great, not terrible, sometimes more, often less.
[23:42] <CaptainTygak> Yeah, ISPs get away with so much crap in the US
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[23:42] <CaptainTygak> Like, I have great uptime for the US at about 90% uptime
[23:42] <[Saint]> I have paid for, and am patiently waiting for, ...to the tume of ~4 years now, dual gigabit fiber-to-the-premises.
[23:43] <[Saint]> But it keeps getting delayed.
[23:43] <CaptainTygak> I'm lucky in that I'm not in an area where the ISPs use data caps.
[23:43] <[Saint]> The lines are done, waiting on new nodes now...
[23:43] <CaptainTygak> Oh, that's... not fun. Also, how the heck did you pay for that?
[23:44] <[Saint]> Its just a small upcost to my current grandfathered plan.
[23:44] <[Saint]> but mother nature keeps taking my fibre away from me.
[23:44] <[Saint]> three times now, in two properties, for an ongoing total of 4.5 years delay...
[23:44] <[Saint]> woo fibre rollout!
[23:45] <CaptainTygak> That's lamesauce
[23:45] <[Saint]> Earthquakes.
[23:45] <[Saint]> I'm in Christchurch.
[23:45] <[Saint]> We got owned. Several times in a row.
[23:45] <link0> anyone got the rasp-pi2 emulated on qemu? (google only got me questions, not answers, well, only for rpi1)
[23:45] <CaptainTygak> Fiber rollout in the US is non-existent. The only possible way to get fiber is if Google or your city does it, and a lot of states have laws against municipal networks
[23:46] <[Saint]> This is the closes I have come to having fibre yet, though, which is encouraging. Like, there's actually glass down and laid to my house.
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[23:46] <[Saint]> It just isn't /connected/ to anything.
[23:46] <CaptainTygak> link0 I'm going to hopefully have a hardware pi2 up in a couple of hours
[23:46] <ozzzy> yep... the glass goes past my front door
[23:47] <link0> CaptainTygak: a hardware pi? have one of those :)
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[23:48] <CaptainTygak> okay. I'm gonna actually get going in a bit so I can pick up some SD cards
[23:48] <link0> may be that QEMU doesn't support it, that's what i'm afraid of... can only find cortex a9 or a15 in the machine and cpu lists (running qemu 2.2.1)
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[23:52] <HotCoder> hello
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