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IRC Log for 2015-05-17

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[0:12] <tripout> hello. i have trouble starting nfs-server on my raspberry pi. when i want to '$systemctl start nfs-server.service' i get "A dependency job for nfs-server.service failed. See 'journalctl -xe' for details." but i don't find any furthr information in the jounal.
[0:12] <tripout> using arch btw
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[0:16] <tripout> folder is created, read and write permissions added, /etc/exports is edited and saved, exportfs -ra is done.
[0:17] <tripout> starting job fails :/
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[0:21] <rot13_cravf> Hi, Dualbooting OpenELEC and Raspian on an RPi2. When booting to Raspian (not OpenELEC), I get a kernel panic FS :Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block
[0:22] <rot13_cravf> this happened very randomly because I have been using the Pi for about 3 weeks, rebooting at least twice a day
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[0:26] <tawr> same sd card for both os's?
[0:26] <rot13_cravf> tawr: yes
[0:27] <rot13_cravf> they're both installed by NOOBS.
[0:27] <tawr> boot into openelec and try fscking the root fs of raspbian
[0:28] <rot13_cravf> tawr: already did
[0:28] <rot13_cravf> it was /dev/mmcblk0p7 I believe
[0:29] <rot13_cravf> I used fsck -fy on all partitions with no luck
[0:30] <rot13_cravf> it may be worth mentioning the kernel panic was "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0, 0)" instead of the common (179, 2)
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[0:31] <tawr> check /etc/fstab of the raspbian partition
[0:31] <tawr> mount it up in openelec, then check that fiel
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[0:32] <rot13_cravf> the raspian boot or root partition? I'm gonna guess boot but I'm new to Linux
[0:34] <tawr> root, in /etc
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[0:35] <rot13_cravf> it's empty I think
[0:35] <rot13_cravf> cat /etc/fstab returned nothing
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[0:40] <rot13_cravf> tawr: ^
[0:41] <tawr> you sure?
[0:41] <tawr> that it's mounted. are there other files in /etc?
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[0:42] <rot13_cravf> "df" said that /dev/mmcblk0p8 is mounted in /var/media/root (openelec must do that anyway)
[0:43] <tawr> then go to that folder
[0:43] <tawr> and type ls?
[0:43] <tawr> and see what folders are there and if it's _really_ root?
[0:43] <rot13_cravf> so then did "cd /var/media/root" and "ls"
[0:44] <rot13_cravf> it's all there, lost+found, home,lib
[0:44] <rot13_cravf> so is etc
[0:44] <tawr> go into etc
[0:44] <tawr> and type ls
[0:46] <rot13_cravf> oh, it just popped up
[0:46] <rot13_cravf> strange, I must have done somthing wrong, anyway
[0:47] <rot13_cravf> I will pastebin it
[0:47] <rot13_cravf> http://pastebin.com/mKfzDGga
[0:48] <mxtm> jeez is there any way to quickly grab my fail2ban conf from another server
[0:48] <mxtm> i forgot how i did it
[0:48] <ShorTie> why you got 8 partitions, or is this NOOBS ??
[0:48] <rot13_cravf> NOOBS
[0:49] <ShorTie> yuck, lol.
[0:49] <rot13_cravf> what's wrong with NOOBS?
[0:49] <tawr> mxtm, need mine?
[0:49] <ShorTie> 'why you got 8 partition'
[0:49] <tawr> it's in /etc/fail2ban/rules.d and action.d
[0:50] <mxtm> tawr: nah thanks i have one that works well for me, i'll grab from there
[0:50] <tawr> ShorTie, he has raspbian and openelec installed dualboot on same sd
[0:50] <ShorTie> it's a sdcard partition happy thing that causes problems
[0:50] <ShorTie> other then that, i guess it's ok
[0:50] <ShorTie> s/sdcard/sdcard eater/
[0:51] <rot13_cravf> if I could have less partitions I would, but I can't
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[0:52] <ShorTie> sdcards are cheap
[0:52] <Froolap> if I could have just one thing that nbobody else is using, it wqould be all the free drive space.
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[0:53] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: are you saying there is a problem with the SD?
[0:53] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: it's new
[0:55] <ShorTie> didn't say that
[0:55] <ShorTie> just not a fan of NOOBS, seen to many problems it causes i guess
[0:56] <ShorTie> don't know why they promote it so much really
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[0:56] <TrueS> I guess because it's an easy entry for people who haven't worked with any of this stuff before
[0:56] <ShorTie> except it keeps a complete bachup install of raspbian on it
[0:57] <ShorTie> that makes no sense to me TrueS, once your into linux
[0:57] <ShorTie> it's just a boot mangler
[0:58] <rot13_cravf> I run my pi without a keyboard or mouse and it's setup so that it always skips the os selection and goes straight to openelec. if I want to boot to raspian i have a script that i run over ssh that boots to raspian
[0:58] <Froolap> being able to dual boot is nice.....
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[0:59] <TrueS> I guess it allows for some easy trial of other operating system,s and skips the reflashing part all the time.
[0:59] <ShorTie> i got 30 boot, not that hard to change a sdcard
[0:59] <Froolap> it wears out the socket
[1:00] * ShorTie snickers
[1:01] <rot13_cravf> has anyone got any idea about the kernel panic? i've been at this for the last 8 hours and I don't know what to do
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[1:01] <ShorTie> that doesn't give much info rot13_cravf
[1:02] <ShorTie> the offical image doesn't have kernel panic
[1:02] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: check your scrollback
[1:03] <rot13_cravf> "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block"
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[1:03] <ShorTie> oh, sounds like sdcard corruption to me
[1:03] <ShorTie> time for a wipe-n-reload
[1:03] <rot13_cravf> but I can access all of my files on every partition from openelec on the same card
[1:04] <Froolap> that doesn't mean that the spor that your kernel is sitting is isn't corrupted
[1:04] <rot13_cravf> also, I made an image of the card, formatted it, and wrote the image back, got the same kernel panic
[1:04] <rot13_cravf> spor?
[1:04] <ShorTie> being able to see a file name from the file allocation table and it actually working are 2 different things
[1:05] <Froolap> yeah, so you cloned the sector with bad data. great
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[1:05] <rot13_cravf> I r/w from all partitions from openelec
[1:06] <Froolap> just because you can read a sector does not mean that you are reading what was actually written
[1:06] <ShorTie> your micro-usb power cable have any writing on it or is it a cheap phone charging cord ??
[1:06] <Froolap> rot, if you know the answer, then why bother asking?
[1:06] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: i'm giving the PI 5w 2A
[1:07] <mxtm> hey, how can I check, from the Pi itself, how much power its drawing?
[1:07] <mxtm> it's*
[1:07] <rot13_cravf> Froolap: I know the answer? I would love the answer - I'm just wondering how or why the SD could have gotten corrupted
[1:08] <Froolap> we have told you, you don't want to accept that, so you must know better than everyone here. we can't help those who won't listen.
[1:08] <ShorTie> rot13_cravf, didn't ask about that, i asked about the more important item, the micro-usb cable
[1:09] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: it's a cheap phone cable
[1:09] <ShorTie> current meter mxtm ??
[1:09] <ShorTie> that is your problemo then
[1:09] <tawr> hi Froolap
[1:10] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: everything was working for 3 weeks prior. I've also tried 3 cables. are you sure?
[1:10] <ShorTie> those tensle coated plastic wires don't work to well
[1:10] <ShorTie> need some real copper
[1:10] <tawr> rot13_cravf, dmesg | grep -i ext3
[1:10] <tawr> *ext4
[1:10] <tawr> see if any errors were encountered when you mounted the partitions
[1:11] <tawr> also cat /proc/partitions to see all the partitions on the sd and compare with 'mount' in openelec, the left over ones would be the raspbian
[1:11] <rot13_cravf> tawr: dmesg: EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p6): couldn't mount as ext2 due to feature incompatibilities
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[1:16] <ShorTie> what does 'fdisk -l' say, it may not be ext4
[1:17] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: OpenELEC doesn't have fdisk
[1:17] <ShorTie> oh
[1:17] <ShorTie> bummer
[1:18] <tawr> sudo apt-get install fdisk
[1:18] <rot13_cravf> yuup, I doesn't have a package manager either
[1:18] <tawr> heh
[1:18] <rot13_cravf> ^^
[1:18] <rot13_cravf> no apt-get either :P
[1:18] <Froolap> what about blkid ?
[1:19] <tawr> ./configure;make;make install
[1:19] <tawr> :D
[1:19] <ShorTie> openelectric doesn't let you play very easily at times
[1:19] <rot13_cravf> http://pastebin.com/8qYz0xSy
[1:19] <Froolap> guess tthey don't have a filesystem either
[1:20] <niston> its just a hologram
[1:20] <niston> there is no spoon
[1:20] * ShorTie snickers
[1:20] <Ionic> btw, where's sdtv_mode documented?
[1:20] <Froolap> lol
[1:20] <Ionic> well... elinux for instance, okay
[1:21] <rot13_cravf> should I install berryboot and redo everything?
[1:21] <Ionic> arrrr, off-by-one error in my head, that why it didn't work
[1:22] <ShorTie> don't think berryboot is in development anymore
[1:22] <Froolap> so stop trying to mount the ext4 partition as ext2.
[1:24] <rot13_cravf> Froolap: how am I trying to do that? I just plug the Pi in and got a kernel panic, that's why I'm here.
[1:24] <ShorTie> what is the loopback device for ??
[1:24] <rot13_cravf> Froolap: Do you see something I can fix?
[1:24] <Froolap> what happened to generate the message....
[1:24] <Froolap> <rot13_cravf> tawr: dmesg: EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p6): couldn't mount as ext2 due to feature incompatibilities
[1:24] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: I don't know ShorTie
[1:24] <rot13_cravf> oops
[1:25] <rot13_cravf> Froolap: oh, I see. how do I make it mount as ext4?
[1:26] <rot13_cravf> that's OpenELEC's root partition, btw
[1:26] <Froolap> dunno what caused that message but I would start by looking at fstab.
[1:26] <rot13_cravf> Froolap: I gave my fstab a little while ago
[1:27] <Froolap> so go look at it
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[1:27] <ShorTie> which 1, you got more then 1 i bet
[1:27] <rot13_cravf> Froolap: I am very new to Linux and don't understand half of these commands. Here is my fstab I've you're willing to look at it. http://pastebin.com/mKfzDGga
[1:28] <Froolap> that fstab is not trying to mount partition6 the erroor was generated by something trying to mount partition 6
[1:28] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: your'e right, this is raspain's. should I provide OpenELEC's?
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[1:30] <Froolap> I don;t know. if you don't know which one of your systems generated the log and then look at the source for that error, I can't begin to guess
[1:30] <Froolap> seems like you have created something that confuses you.
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[1:31] <Froolap> reading the error log of one system and compairing it to the confuigs of another system isn't doing much
[1:31] <ShorTie> wipe-n-reload is the fix
[1:32] <ShorTie> i'd go get a real micro-usb cable and another sdcard, if it was me
[1:33] <Froolap> and not try to boot multi os till you learn your way around one.... or you'll still confuse yourself with syntax errors.... oh that doesn't work the same way here
[1:33] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: what's a good SD card? I'm using a new Samsung EVO class 10 48mb/s card
[1:33] <ShorTie> that phone charging cable is gonna be nothing but troubles, imho
[1:33] <Froolap> agreed
[1:34] <rot13_cravf> Froolap: I'm only dual booting because I need both OSes and I can't afford 2 cards
[1:34] <ShorTie> any cheap thing will work
[1:34] <ShorTie> just need a class 4 or 6, not fancy thing
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[1:34] <ShorTie> and 8gb is more then enough
[1:34] <rot13_cravf> so fancy cards are bad cards for the PI?
[1:34] <Froolap> rot then you got nothing that works because you can't afford what does work and won't settle for less than I want and accept only what's needed
[1:35] <ShorTie> because you never store anything on them you don't want to loose
[1:35] <Froolap> what you want to have work confuses you more than is necessary
[1:36] <ShorTie> no, they just like a wate of money is all
[1:36] <ShorTie> s/wate/waste/
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[1:37] <ShorTie> the cheap generics i got work better then the name brand samsungs i bought
[1:38] <ShorTie> but that my luck, lol.
[1:39] <rot13_cravf> I see, that's annoying. I'll see if I can get a refund.
[1:40] <ShorTie> still think the root of your problem is that micro-usb cable
[1:40] <rot13_cravf> Also, if berryboot has stopped, what else is there to dual boot?
[1:41] <ShorTie> see a phone doesn't care if it looses a 1/2 volt across the cable
[1:41] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: where can I get a good cable?
[1:41] <ShorTie> but that will kill a pi
[1:41] <Froolap> just don't get them so cheap that what is advertised as 8g is actually a 512 meg card that's been altered to look like it has more space till you go ppast it's real limit and self corrupt.
[1:41] <ShorTie> it should have sumfinlike 2-28awg/2-24awg printed on it
[1:42] <ShorTie> the smaller the #'s the better
[1:43] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: 28awg/ip+24awg/2c
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[1:44] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: that's what on a cable I have here
[1:44] <ShorTie> sounds ok i guess
[1:44] <rot13_cravf> i'll try it
[1:44] <ShorTie> you got any usb devices plugged in ??
[1:45] <rot13_cravf> just a usb wifi adapter
[1:45] <rot13_cravf> i have tried booting with no devices with no luck
[1:45] <rot13_cravf> i'm gonna try this other cable here
[1:45] <ShorTie> see, raspbian has a little rainbow square that pops ups and/or the power light flashes when you start having problems
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[1:46] <rot13_cravf> yeah I get that, even with 5w 2a
[1:46] <rot13_cravf> must be the cable then right?
[1:46] <ShorTie> wifi canbe a power eater and you might need the max usb current hack for it
[1:47] <rot13_cravf> i have tried booting with no usb devices with no luck, still kernel panic
[1:47] <ShorTie> cable will definitly help, but still most likely need the current hack
[1:47] <Froolap> some wifi dongles. even though they are listed as support.... include a note that a powered usb hub is recommended.
[1:48] <ShorTie> the cable isn't gonna fix your file corruption
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[1:48] <ShorTie> wipe-n-reload is the only fix
[1:48] <ShorTie> cable will just help from it happening again
[1:48] <Froolap> but a cable might prevent future corruption. :)
[1:49] <Froolap> in stereo where available upon request.
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[1:50] <ShorTie> i'm trying to cdebootstrap this 2gb sdcard
[1:51] <ShorTie> it's been like 6 hours and still going
[1:51] <ShorTie> must be a slooowww sdcard, lol.
[1:51] <rot13_cravf> ShorTie: what's this current hack?
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[1:52] <ShorTie> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/
[1:52] <ShorTie> this is a + or 2 rpi ??
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[1:53] <rot13_cravf> rpi2b
[1:53] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[1:54] <rot13_cravf> wait, can this hack make my external hdd that doesn't work now work?
[1:54] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[1:54] <rot13_cravf> :O
[1:54] <rot13_cravf> holy smokes
[1:54] <ShorTie> well, maybe, atleast it's a better shot
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[1:57] <Froolap> uh.... why does it say that if you do this, don't let it run too long???? fire?
[1:57] <rot13_cravf> oh god
[1:58] <b00ger_daddy> do what?
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[1:59] <Froolap> increasing usb power output..... to only double what it currently offers
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[2:00] <b00ger_daddy> oh
[2:00] <ShorTie> hmmm, never heard that, never had a problem either
[2:00] <ShorTie> as long as i had a good micro-usb cable, lol.
[2:01] <ShorTie> other wise it cause a endless reboot .. :/~
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[2:02] <Froolap> Warning: DO NOT do this on a whim. Only do this if you are absolutely sure that you need to do it!
[2:03] <Froolap> I really don�t recommend you do this � or if you do something similar, don�t let it run too long.
[2:03] <Froolap> They gotta say it twice then maybe they know something that I don't want to find out the hard way.
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[2:04] <ShorTie> he wrote that up like the day after the B+'s came out
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[2:04] <ShorTie> so it wasn't really tested as of yet
[2:05] <Froolap> doesn't seem like anything has changed his mind or there would be an update....
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[2:06] <ShorTie> he hasn't been updating much
[2:07] <ShorTie> kinda driffed away
[2:07] <rot13_cravf> brb
[2:07] <shiftplusone> gbaman, ping?
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[2:08] <gbaman> shiftplusone, pong!
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[2:09] <shiftplusone> gbaman, I'm looking for the correct way to change the background when the package is installed. I'm guessing it's using update-alternatives in the postinst script, but would like to check. Do you know of any packages off the top of your head which change the background?
[2:09] <shiftplusone> Or, do they only install the file and then it's up to the user to change the background if they want?
[2:11] <gbaman> I don't know of any that change the background, I guess it is usually up to the user?
[2:11] <gbaman> That is, change the background when they are installed
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[2:12] <shiftplusone> Alright thanks, thought you might've had some experience there.
[2:12] <gbaman> But update-alternatives is from what I can gather, the "proper Debian way". Makes sense, no config files needing changed, only a symlink
[2:13] <gbaman> I doubt there are many packages out there that change your desktop background when they install
[2:13] <gbaman> if any
[2:13] <shiftplusone> well, when you install lxde, you get one background. When you install gnome, you get another... so there's something there.
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[2:14] <shiftplusone> just need to figure out the specifics
[2:14] <ShorTie> and when you install windows you get another 1 .. :/~
[2:14] <gbaman> Hmm, good point
[2:16] <gbaman> Could be fun finding where it is done...
[2:17] <ShorTie> i'd guess the have different config files, so....
[2:17] <shiftplusone> Can't do any digging at home, would need to drop by pi towers.
[2:17] <shiftplusone> I'd use apt-file search to find what package installs the background itself and check the postinst script.
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[2:18] <shiftplusone> And yes, I think it might not be a case of a single symlink that works for all. If you install lxde and xfce, don't you get different backgrounds depending on which session you start? Might be a session-specific thing.
[2:19] <gbaman> That is a good point
[2:20] <shiftplusone> But I'm sure you're right that hardcoding it like it currently is is almost certainly not the right way.
[2:21] <ShorTie> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31984 maybe
[2:21] <ShorTie> wallpaper=/usr/share/lxde/wallpapers/lxde_green.jpg
[2:22] <shiftplusone> yeah, that's the sort of thing that we're currently doing.
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[2:23] <gbaman> Which requires hard coding it in a file
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[2:24] <shiftplusone> gbaman suggested that we use /etc/alternatives/desktop-background
[2:24] <ShorTie> sed to the rescue
[2:24] <shiftplusone> so it works with the alternatives system, but now I'm not so convinced that that makes sense.
[2:24] <gbaman> Which in turn is a symlink to the actual file
[2:24] <shiftplusone> because in our case, the background is specific to the lxde-pi session
[2:24] <gbaman> Yeah, am starting to wonder if we are missing something
[2:25] <shiftplusone> When you say " Would it not be better to just use /etc/alternatives/desktop-background (and in turn update-alternatives) like everything else? "
[2:25] <shiftplusone> what is everything else?
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[2:26] <gbaman> I believe it was the way Raspbian used to do it? Is also the way I believe Debian does it, at least with Gnome
[2:27] <gbaman> http://lazybrowndog.net/debian/wheezy/_wallpaper/wallpaper-readme.txt
[2:28] <gbaman> Had read this ages ago
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[2:29] <shiftplusone> Okay, but that assumes a system-wide background, rather than a per-session background. When Alex was doing all the Simon stuff, I think he wanted to make sure that 'our' changes don't contaminate other desktop environments. That approach makes sense to me.
[2:29] <shiftplusone> Thoughts?
[2:29] <gbaman> Don't we want the Raspberry Pi logo on any desktop environment?
[2:30] <shiftplusone> perhaps
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[2:30] <gbaman> I know I personally would prefer it on any other desktop environment
[2:30] <shiftplusone> Will need bring this up with Simon, I guess.
[2:32] <shiftplusone> Okay, found a package which installs a background (desktop-base)
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[2:34] <ShorTie> how about /usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/latex/mdframed/donald-duck.jpg, hehe
[2:37] <gbaman> Desktop-base seems to be suggesting update-alternatives
[2:37] <shiftplusone> yeah
[2:38] <shiftplusone> but then I guess if the user wants to change it using lxapperance or pipanel, it will put the filename in anyway, since you'd need to be root otherwise.
[2:38] <gbaman> Hmm, true
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[2:39] <ShorTie> no just right-click/desktop preferences ??
[2:39] <gbaman> At which point they won't want you fiddling with it anyway with updates? :)
[2:42] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I don't know how to solve the update problem in general. As a one off the 'oh, we'll just back up the old files and overwrite them' was okay. But I don't think that's a good idea of every update. =/
[2:43] <gbaman> If you want to stick with LXDE only, as a minimum, can you guys move the setting back into the /etc/alternatives/desktop-background/pcmanfm.conf for future?
[2:43] <gbaman> Wrong path :)
[2:43] <shiftplusone> elaborate?
[2:44] <gbaman> * /etc/xdg/pcmanfm/LXDE-pi/pcmanfm.conf
[2:44] <gbaman> I have been up too many hours already :)
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[2:44] <gbaman> That is where it started in December
[2:44] <shiftplusone> ....
[2:45] <shiftplusone> Will need to look into what happened.
[2:45] <gbaman> Then for some odd reason was moved to /etc/xdg/pcmanfm/LXDE-pi/desktop-items-0.conf in most recent update
[2:45] <shiftplusone> oh...
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[2:45] <shiftplusone> no, I think there's a reason for that.
[2:45] <shiftplusone> The version of pcmanfm is different
[2:45] <shiftplusone> and that's how it works now.
[2:45] <gbaman> ?
[2:46] <gbaman> As in, pcmanfm requires that?
[2:46] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I believe so.
[2:46] <gbaman> Lovely...
[2:46] <shiftplusone> Simon knows the specifics, I'm just the lever monkey. Why's that a problem?
[2:47] <shiftplusone> messes up pinet?
[2:47] <gbaman> https://twitter.com/gbaman1/status/599672742133276672
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[2:48] <jaymaker> Hello everyone
[2:48] <gbaman> PiNet usually has the awesome starry background - https://twitter.com/robjones_cowley/status/592755207710371840
[2:48] <shiftplusone> A little on the snarky side, but I see your point.
[2:50] <gbaman> Haha, I was a little annoyed at the time :)
[2:50] <shiftplusone> Are you in contact with Simon about all of this?
[2:50] <gbaman> Nope, other than the forum post
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[2:51] <gbaman> Had assumed my patch would just keep working, so when the config value was moved into another file, at the time looked like it was just to keep everything tidy
[2:52] <gbaman> Makes sense if pcmanfm has got more picky, I should be annoyed at them instead :D
[2:52] <shiftplusone> Well, you should be annoyed at us for bumping the version of pcmanfm.
[2:52] <shiftplusone> But yeah, I guess this one isn't our fault D=
[2:53] <gbaman> Although raspberrypi-ui-mods does still blindly overwrite the config file anyway :)
[2:53] <gbaman> Or, well it actually asks the user
[2:53] <gbaman> Who doesn't have a clue
[2:53] <gbaman> Well, asks the user if the user is using a different desktop background
[2:54] <ShorTie> peeps only read after the fact
[2:54] <shiftplusone> Back to the original issue. I think it makes sense to make it the path you mentioned and use update-alternatives in spindle to set that to the logo.
[2:55] <shiftplusone> or not... agh, I'm a little torn on this one.
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[2:55] <gbaman> So not using update-alternatives in the package?
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[2:56] <gbaman> As still have to consider the users on older SD card images
[2:56] <shiftplusone> Yes, otherwise it would run every time the package is updated. If the user ran update-alternatives to change the background, it would mess that up.
[2:56] <gbaman> Hmm
[2:56] <gbaman> Good point
[2:56] <gbaman> Although that is what it does right now :)
[2:57] <gbaman> Overwrites each update
[2:57] <shiftplusone> sure, but it does so by modifying a file that belongs to the package.
[2:57] <shiftplusone> which is perfectly cromulent.
[2:58] <shiftplusone> or... I don't know. I don't have it all in front of me.
[2:58] <gbaman> Perhaps an if statement in there checking if the older setup is an older SD card image
[2:58] <gbaman> As the old way it was done will have a name
[2:59] <gbaman> the old desktop files will be called something
[2:59] <gbaman> And if it is that, then update it, if not (then meaning it is custom background), don't
[2:59] <gbaman> Not sure how it used to be done
[2:59] <shiftplusone> debian provides a way to do different things depending on what version of the package you're updating from. The postinst script can run update-alternatives if updating from a version older than or equal to whatever the current one is. Then the future ones will already be corrected and nothing will change.
[3:00] <gbaman> Cool
[3:00] <gbaman> Some day, I might package up PiNet as a package :)
[3:00] <shiftplusone> You should
[3:00] <gbaman> Some day...
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[3:01] <gbaman> Then put it up in a ppa
[3:02] <gbaman> Although right now it works nicely with its own update system. shiftplusone have you played with PiNet yet?
[3:02] <shiftplusone> ppa? why not throw it in our repo?
[3:03] <shiftplusone> Nope, I don't even understand what it is, but I hear it's very handy for teachers and such.
[3:03] <gbaman> Because it doesn't actually install on the Pis
[3:03] <gbaman> It installs on an Ubuntu server
[3:04] <shiftplusone> oh right
[3:04] <gbaman> Basically, a system for setting up Raspberry Pis to network boot off a central (Ubuntu) server
[3:04] <gbaman> So you maintain a single master copy of Raspbian
[3:04] <[Saint]> Its like...ummm, Landscape, kinda.
[3:04] <gbaman> But, as it is based off LTSP, it much build Raspbian, can't just feed it an SD card image
[3:04] <gbaman> Hence why Spindle is rather important
[3:05] <gbaman> Plus, on top of that, adds networked user accounts, any kid can log onto any Raspberry Pi in the classroom
[3:05] <shiftplusone> Yeah okay, I don't personally have use for that, but it sounds cool.
[3:06] <gbaman> And shared folders, auto user backups, CSV user import.
[3:06] <[Saint]> I read that as CVS and almost had a panic attack.
[3:07] <gbaman> The most key feature though, is stupidly easy to set up and maintain, we have a 10 year old in Belgium maintaining his Pi network, an 11 year old up near Manchester etc
[3:07] <gbaman> There is a PiNet server in Pi towers, James and Dave use it for a Picademy demo
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[3:08] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I've heard the foundation people mention it.
[3:08] <gbaman> Is now used in at least 200 schools across the world from what i can gather, rather difficult to figure out who is using it though
[3:09] <shiftplusone> heh, crazy.
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[3:09] <gbaman> Is awesome getting emails from teachers in places like China, Brazil, South America etc
[3:09] <gbaman> *South Africa
[3:10] <gbaman> Favourite one is still this one though - https://twitter.com/SCSnl/status/573595415175630848
[3:10] <gbaman> (used to be called Raspi-LTSP)
[3:10] <shiftplusone> epic
[3:12] <shiftplusone> If I had done anything that widely adopted when I was your age, I think my head would swell up quite a bit D=
[3:12] <gbaman> So far, only 2 packages have ever really caused me trouble, Sonic-Pi and Raspberrypi-ui-mods :)
[3:12] <gbaman> Sonic-Pi is still winning though
[3:13] <gbaman> Sonic-Pi 1 for example never worked, mainly because it had /home/pi hardcoded in
[3:13] <shiftplusone> That's fairly easy to address... help us test new versions.
[3:13] <gbaman> Alex usually commits the upcoming changes about a week before the actual release
[3:14] <gbaman> in spindle
[3:14] <gbaman> And I have the repo starred so I usually see them and can test. Package updates though are a little harder
[3:14] <shiftplusone> Well, long story why that couldn't happen this time. But knowing about the changes from spindle wouldn't have helped you.
[3:15] <shiftplusone> yeah, because it's a package update.
[3:15] <gbaman> Yeah
[3:15] <shiftplusone> the plan is to throw all the packages under rpi-distro on github as well though
[3:15] <gbaman> Same issue with Sonic-Pi
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[3:16] <mxtm> all right i have an ammeter here but i have no clue
[3:16] <mxtm> how to use it
[3:16] <mxtm> in physics class we learned about this, not how to use a proper one, only a classroom one
[3:16] <gbaman> shiftplusone: cool, can have them all set to watched :)
[3:17] <gbaman> Although warning of new releases would be great
[3:17] <gbaman> *ui releases
[3:17] <shiftplusone> mxtm, fairly straight forward, one clip per nostril.
[3:17] <shiftplusone> I mean... what are you measuring and what's the problem?
[3:17] <shiftplusone> gbaman, it will be a little more straight forward than that.
[3:18] <shiftplusone> I was meant to do a thing a few days ago, but got side tracked. Will work tomorrow to catch up, but yeah, watch the forum for an announcement thingy.
[3:18] <mxtm> nostril? on the outlet?
[3:18] <mxtm> i need to stick these things into the outlet?
[3:19] <gbaman> shiftplusone: Ok, cool. Will do
[3:19] <mxtm> i wanted to see how much current each pi was drawing
[3:19] <shiftplusone> mxtm, no no, I'm just being an idiot. Don't go anywhere near the outlet.
[3:19] <mxtm> yeah
[3:19] <mxtm> that's what i thought
[3:19] <gbaman> hahaha
[3:19] <gbaman> Yeah, don't listen to shiftplusone :D
[3:19] <mxtm> i know what short circuits are :p
[3:20] <shiftplusone> This is a bit more of a hooking yourself up to mains issue, not just a short circuit.
[3:20] <mxtm> tru
[3:20] <shiftplusone> God, that would've been a terrible way to accidentally kill someone over IRC D=
[3:20] <gbaman> Hahaha
[3:20] <mxtm> yeah
[3:20] <mxtm> that wouldn't be good for your rep
[3:20] <gbaman> Would have been a tad funny though
[3:20] <mxtm> "killed someone with bad advice"
[3:21] <shiftplusone> I could spin it as "My advice kills!"
[3:21] <mxtm> lol
[3:21] <shiftplusone> So, what ammeter do you have? photo?
[3:21] <shiftplusone> remember it need to go in series, which is probably going to be tricky without cutting wires and such.
[3:21] <gbaman> Well shiftplusone, let me know what decision goes ahead re desktop backgrounds, for now I will add a patch into PiNet for the current version tomorrow.
[3:22] <shiftplusone> but it might not have the right specs for this anyway.
[3:22] <mxtm> yeah, so i should probably just not even try?
[3:22] <mxtm> but i'll post a pic to hmor myself
[3:22] <mxtm> i have two
[3:22] <mxtm> but here's one
[3:22] <shiftplusone> gbaman, remember to nudge me, I'll probably forget. Juggling a lot of things right now.
[3:23] <gbaman> Will do
[3:23] <mxtm> http://u.xpo.pw/kUQ.jpg
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[3:23] <shiftplusone> Nope, that thing won't help you
[3:23] <mxtm> good to know
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[3:24] <mxtm> wait
[3:24] <shiftplusone> it only goes up to 250mA
[3:24] <mxtm> yeah, that's weird
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[3:24] <mxtm> i have a big ass one too, my prospects for actually measuring the draw have mostly been killed
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[3:25] <mxtm> s/prospects/hopes/
[3:26] <ali1234> that thing has a 500VAC setting
[3:26] <shiftplusone> there are fairly convenient gizmos for this. ShorTie do you have a link handy to the thingy you sent a while back?
[3:26] <ali1234> anyone who actually uses that is insane
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[3:28] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Charger-Doctor-Voltage-Current-Meter-Mobile-Battery-Tester-Power-Detector-/171738080779?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27fc63260b
[3:28] <ali1234> i use one of those
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[3:29] <mxtm> Doesn't post to United States | See details
[3:29] <mxtm> sux for me
[3:29] <shiftplusone> yup, one of those. I don't trust it to be particularly accurate, but seems close enough.
[3:29] <shiftplusone> Find a similar one that does, there are 100s of them.
[3:29] <mxtm> yeh
[3:29] <mxtm> on it
[3:29] <ali1234> it's as accurate as my multimeter
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[3:30] <mxtm> $10.55 for one of these on amazon
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[3:31] <ali1234> http://www.amazon.com/Estone%C2%AE-Charger-Battery-Detector-Voltage/dp/B00LGHXI0A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1431826276&sr=8-3&keywords=charger+doctor
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[3:32] <mxtm> yeh the only thing that sucks is it isn't available for prime and probably ships from china
[3:32] <ali1234> well yeah
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[3:33] <ali1234> why do you think it is so cheap?
[3:33] <mxtm> i really want one of those mini keyboad things
[3:33] <mxtm> with a trackpad
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[4:25] <k_j> hi
[4:25] <k_j> what is this http://www.wire2pi.com/ ?
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[4:50] <Berg> hello world
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[5:02] <methuzla> k_j if it's real, it's probably what it says it is
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[5:08] <[Saint]> though why it needs an account is beyond me.
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[5:11] <methuzla> and the complete lack of hardware details
[5:11] <methuzla> works with pi camera? usb camera? how is it getting audio?
[5:12] <methuzla> k_j i'm changing my answer, that's a URL
[5:14] <[Saint]> its http://i.imgur.com/96t6I9m.gif
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[5:18] <jaymaker> Has anyone here set up the Raspberry Pi as a Nintendo 3DS Street Pass server?
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[5:21] <[Saint]> jaymaker: https://gbatemp.net/threads/how-to-have-a-homemade-streetpass-relay.352645/
[5:22] <[Saint]> there's a section there 'use a raspberrypi' that I used some time ago.
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[5:23] <[Saint]> though I'm not sure how such things fall under Freenode's T&Cs.
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[5:24] <jaymaker> Yeah, I'm having issues with it for some reason
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[5:25] <[Saint]> ah
[5:25] <ali1234> methuzla: domain was registered less than a month ago
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[5:26] <ali1234> looks dodgy to me
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[5:26] <ali1234> i mean apart from anything else, all the software to do that already exists
[5:28] <ali1234> http://www.openwebrtc.io/
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[6:36] <lambdumb> my Pi 2 is running at 43.3 degrees celsius. is that safe?
[6:36] <chuck_norris_ama> probably?
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[6:40] <ThinkingofPython> It can run up to 80c without a heatsink
[6:41] <chuck_norris_ama> looks like yes then
[6:41] <ThinkingofPython> Its downclock temp is that, atleast. Mines OC'ed to 1.1ghz,and people say heatsinks arent needed
[6:41] <lambdumb> if i have some heatsinks around is it a smart move to attach them
[6:42] <chuck_norris_ama> can't hurt
[6:42] <ThinkingofPython> Lots of people here suggest no heatsinks.
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[6:51] <Froolap> what if I have a heat sink and fan for a 486 cpu?
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[6:52] <Froolap> then can I over clock to 3 ghz?
[6:54] <ThinkingofPython> lol
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[7:31] <Froolap> yawn
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[8:38] <mikunos> hi guys I have a boot up my raspberry pi but after the boot image the monitor is switched off, why!??!
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[8:46] <Froolap> I dunno, need more information than that
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[8:47] <Froolap> I'm looking at somethhing. I think that it's blue. Can you tell me what it is?
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[8:51] <Froolap> mikunos: need more informayion than that
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[10:25] <mikunos> Froolap solved
[10:26] <Froolap> cheers
[10:26] <Froolap> what was it?
[10:27] <mikunos> I have edit the config.txt hdmi parameters
[10:27] <Froolap> which os?
[10:27] <mikunos> wheezy
[10:29] <Froolap> glad it's workin for ya.
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[10:32] <Froolap> ya know what's sad?
[10:32] <Froolap> It's getting hard to find a hard drive that is less than 1 TB.
[10:33] <ShorTie> very true
[10:33] <Froolap> I wanna convert some of my pi to running from usb, but a tb drive just seems wrong
[10:34] <ShorTie> lol, ya i know what cha mean
[10:34] <Froolap> i have a 120 gig running on my pi2 and that's more than enough. it runs slick.
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[10:35] <ShorTie> drop that 1 and still probily have enough room
[10:35] <Froolap> yup
[10:37] <Froolap> I got 32gb sd cards cus I hate running out of space when you can't increase it, but now I'm wondering why....
[10:38] <Froolap> I think I'm going to trash a 40 gb drive because it needs 1a to run
[10:39] <Froolap> it will run off of my desktop as usb, but it hase trouble initalizing or staying initalized on anything else
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[10:41] <ShorTie> it seems like it is the cost of manufacturing can't break the 50 barrier to make a profit i guess
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[10:41] <ShorTie> atleast we are getting more for our dollar, even if we don't need it
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[10:50] <coc00n> did anyone tried combining the no-ip dns service and cloud flare?
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[10:59] <Froolap> I'm alergic to cloud.
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[11:02] <ecogiko> Hello!
[11:02] <ShorTie> cloud = give all my info away
[11:02] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[11:03] <coc00n> ShorTie, cloudflare is nice to your site
[11:03] <Froolap> no, not quite, cloud = give all my data away and when the owner of the cloud sees that I need it, then I'll have to pay to get it back..... or it simply won't be available anymore because humans aren't allowed to do such things.
[11:04] <Froolap> it's a security risk.
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[11:04] <ecogiko> I cannot make my raspberry pi to boot arch linux arm. I am following the guide exactly step by step, I have enough power fed to the board and I have an ethernet cable connected to it too. The model is b+ and I am on an arch linux host. I can tell that it's not booting because the green light flickers 2-3 seconds, stops for 4-5 and starts flickering again. I have the same problem with raspbian and any
[11:04] <ecogiko> other distribution I tried. Any advice?
[11:05] <shauno> do you have a display attached?
[11:05] <ecogiko> I do not, I don't have an external monitor
[11:06] <ShorTie> use type 6
[11:06] <ecogiko> Would booting the image with QEMO help with that?
[11:06] <Froolap> sounds like maybe you aren't giving it enough time to do it's thing. It might be doing something like resizing the partition which could take a while.
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[11:07] <ecogiko> Froolap: I have waited for 30 seconds. It has 2 partitions, boot with is 100 megs and root which is 7 gigs.
[11:07] <ecogiko> atleast 30 seconds.
[11:07] <Froolap> maybe give it 5 minutes.....
[11:07] <ShorTie> use type 6 for boot
[11:08] <ecogiko> ShorTie: I set a boot flag on the boot partition from gparted
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[11:08] <ecogiko> ShorTie: Type 6? In the fdisk part?
[11:08] <ShorTie> scrub gparted, it screws stuff up
[11:08] <ecogiko> ShorTie: Okay.
[11:09] <ecogiko> I will reinstall it right now
[11:09] <ShorTie> start from scratch with o
[11:09] <ecogiko> Yes.
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[11:09] <ecogiko> What's the benefit of FAT16 over FAT32?
[11:10] <ecogiko> WHy is that important?
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[11:10] <ShorTie> pi's like fat16, not so much fat32
[11:11] <ShorTie> it's only a 100mb partition, no need for fat32 anyways
[11:12] <Froolap> since the only data there is for booting..... it should only matter to the computer. It's not a place to store files in.
[11:14] <ecogiko> How much time should I give it to boot? Should I also again set a boot flag on the boot partition?
[11:14] <ShorTie> it's like they define it as fat32, then format fat16 which i think causes screwy problems
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[11:15] <ShorTie> really don't need a boot flag, but i do just for standards
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[11:16] <ecogiko> This is how it looks like right now. https://dpaste.de/M8VE
[11:16] <ecogiko> boot is formatted with a vfat fs and root with ext4 fs.
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[11:17] <ecogiko> I am going to let it boot for 10-15 minutes and I will get back to you guys with the result.
[11:17] <Froolap> hmmmm, interesting. on pidora uboot is fat32......
[11:18] <ecogiko> Froolap: ShorTie told me to try it out with type 6.
[11:18] <Froolap> ShorTie is wiser than I am to be sure.
[11:19] <Froolap> I just wrote the images with win32diskimager and whatever it was in the image is what I got.....
[11:20] <ecogiko> I have been trying to get the raspberry pi to boot for 3-4 weeks on and off. I always get frustrated because nothing works. Yesterday I thought I might be partitioning it wrong.
[11:20] <Froolap> and maybe it's a pidora thing. I know that fedora-arm kind of has their nose in the air and fat?? is beneath them.
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[11:21] <ecogiko> So I tried to format it from my windows virtual box guest. I had to change the owner of the sd card to myself create a hard drive file for virtualbox to mount and even then it did nothing.
[11:21] <ShorTie> i wrote my_pi_os,sh and learned alot about formatting .. :)~
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[11:22] <ecogiko> Awesome, what do you run it right now?
[11:22] <ShorTie> like how to format an image file
[11:22] <ecogiko> fdisk
[11:23] <ShorTie> ya you can fdisk a image file
[11:24] <ShorTie> then you mount the partition to a loopback to format it and install stuff
[11:24] <ecogiko> ShorTie: https://dpaste.de/FT02
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[11:25] <ecogiko> then I create the file systems on each partition. I mount them. I untar the archive with the distro in the root. I sync. I move the boot files from the root to the boot partition. Umount. Remove sd card from laptop, insert sd card in rasp-pi. Insert power cable for pi. Wait. Nothing happens.
[11:25] <ShorTie> looks ok i guess, but might have to partprobe it so it becomes active
[11:26] <ecogiko> What's partprobe?
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[11:27] <ShorTie> makes partitions usable without a reboot
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[11:29] <doomlord> i wonder if e-ink monitors could get cheaper, thinking about ultra low power computing
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[11:31] <DANtheBEASTman> just got a pi the other day, have a couple questions: this 1.8mm output, that's a composite a/v output? like the yellow,red,white cables? can I power it with a USB hub or USB car charger?
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[11:33] <ShorTie> hub/charger depends on milliamp output
[11:34] <ShorTie> but pi's, atleast new 1's, must be powered thru the micro-usb port to boot
[11:35] <ShorTie> as far as the composite//a/v output http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/
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[11:40] <ecogiko> Refuses to work.
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[11:41] <ShorTie> you play with a sdcard or vm ??
[11:41] <ecogiko> sdcard
[11:41] <ecogiko> There are not log files written anywhere.
[11:42] <ecogiko> s/not/no
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[11:43] <ShorTie> just that 'fdisk /dev/sdcard' seems wierd
[11:44] <ecogiko> "fdisk /dev/mmcblk0"
[11:45] <ShorTie> your using a built in sdcard adapter on some old laptop ??
[11:46] <ecogiko> Yes.
[11:46] <ShorTie> that could be the problem
[11:46] <ecogiko> I am not sure the laptop is that old. It's 1-2 years old.
[11:47] <ecogiko> A flatmate of mine managed to boot it with a screen. He gave me the card back but it didn't work on my setup.
[11:49] <ShorTie> what model pi ??
[11:49] <ecogiko> b+
[11:49] <ShorTie> sure ssh is enabled for no screen ??
[11:50] <ecogiko> I am not.
[11:50] <ecogiko> But I am almost certain it's not booting at all.
[11:50] <ShorTie> are you using a cheap phone charging micro-usb cable to power the pi ??
[11:51] <ShorTie> or a good quality cable ??
[11:51] <ecogiko> Cheap quality. But the power led isn't blinking.
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[11:53] <DANtheBEASTman> ShorTie: thanks
[11:54] <ShorTie> those cheap tensle coated plastic wire cables do not work well with the pi's, they like real coppper
[11:54] <ShorTie> Your Welcome
[11:54] <ShorTie> believe it or not, they can cause a pi to not boot
[11:55] <ShorTie> you got a volt meter ??
[11:55] <ecogiko> No.
[11:55] <ecogiko> It's a usb cable that I use to charge my phone
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[11:56] <ecogiko> It's connected to a phone charger in the wall.
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[11:57] <ShorTie> hmmm, any writing on the cable, how many ma output is the charger and do you have any extra usb stuff attached ??
[11:58] <ShorTie> phone don't care if you loose a 1/2 volt across the cable, but it will kill a pi
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[12:00] <ecogiko> The cable is a standart micro usb. The adapter is 5.0V DC, 1.0A with 5.0 W
[12:01] <ecogiko> Could it be that I damaged my board somehow?
[12:01] <ShorTie> is the cable thin and flexable or thick and semi-ridig
[12:01] <ShorTie> na
[12:01] <ecogiko> long and thin.
[12:02] <ShorTie> or most likely not
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[12:02] <ecogiko> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2Bj2VX8RFL._SL1242_.jpg
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[12:02] <ShorTie> you need a real micro-usb cable and not that cheap phone chatging cord then, imho
[12:03] <ShorTie> s/chatging/charging/
[12:03] <ecogiko> This is the charger -> http://www.geora.com.tw/download/ADC-320H.gif
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[12:04] * Xark got a 3A power supply (with nice thick cable) and his old piggish USB HDD works nicely now (without powered hub). The 2A supply with thin cable wasn't enough...
[12:04] <ShorTie> the charger sounds ok if you don't have any usb devices hooked up
[12:04] <ShorTie> yup, the foundation recommends atleast a 2.5amp supply
[12:04] <ecogiko> The rasb pi is the only connected thing.
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[12:05] <ecogiko> Okay. So I need more power?
[12:05] <ecogiko> Why isn't the power led blinking then?
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[12:07] <ShorTie> those 2 pictures don't add up to me
[12:07] <ShorTie> if that is your power supply, ya, i think you need sumfin different
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[12:08] <ecogiko> Thanks, I will look into that.
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[12:15] <blinky_> Hi all, I have a project coming up and need to know if something is possible. I would like to be able to display live data from sensors as well as visual alerts over the top of the HDMI output. More then likely the HDMI will be outputting a TV signal from a USB TV adapter. Is it possible to overlay this data using software available for the PI?
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[12:16] <ali1234> yes.
[12:17] <blinky_> Do you know what software I should be looking into?
[12:17] <ali1234> dispmanx
[12:17] <blinky_> Cheers alil
[12:17] <ali1234> create surface with alpha and set z order so it is always on top
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[12:23] <devster31> is anyone using the pi as a network monitor/firewall? could you give me any pointers as to how to do it right? where to start?
[12:26] * Encapsulation is interested
[12:27] <blinky_> http://computers.tutsplus.com/articles/installing-openwrt-on-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-new-home-firewall--mac-55984
[12:27] <blinky_> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=3025&p=295723&hilit=pfsense#p295723
[12:27] <blinky_> devster31: Both more then capable idea's. enjoy
[12:27] <devster31> thanks, reading
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[12:33] <ShorTie> pi's don't make a good firewall because of the limited usb bandwith if you got any kind of traffic
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[12:35] <Encapsulation> devster31, research, experiment, enjoy. Don't let anything hold you back
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[13:02] <Mr_Sheesh> Also look at Tomato Linux and DD-WRT to install on regular routers, if what you want is a controllable router that has Linux in there; Isn't an RPi but it's a Linux variant
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[13:08] <niston> hello Encap
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[13:19] <niston> got that isolator board hooked up?
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[13:56] <k_j> guys, what is this http://www.wire2pi.com/ ? it does not give any details
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[14:01] <ThinkingofPython> k_j Its Video streaming via webRTC
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[14:02] <k_j> ThinkingofPython, yes,but how does it work, i subscribed but nothing happens
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[14:20] <brasizza> hello guys, just back to irc since 2005.
[14:20] <brasizza> good to know that you have a raspberry channel here ;)
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[14:33] <Tenkawa> brasizza: welcome..
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[14:39] <brasizza> i'm from brazil, here the raspi is very expensive, but i'm developing some home automation with that
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[14:43] <SineDeviance> Howdy peepa
[14:43] <SineDeviance> Peeps* even :/
[14:44] <SineDeviance> Question - if we wanted to run some rPi2s on cellular, what would be a good option for that? Is it compatible with most USB dongles?
[14:44] <SineDeviance> Or would we be better off going the hotspot+WiFi route?
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[15:04] <ThinkingofPython> SineDeviance You're looking for a GSM900 module
[15:04] <ThinkingofPython> You can get one that is USB, or GPIO I believe
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[15:04] <ThinkingofPython> However, they made me hard to source, and may not fall under FCC and other electronic interference/transmittance policies
[15:04] <ThinkingofPython> So be careful]
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[15:14] <HotCoder> tawr, hello
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[16:07] <brasizza> is there possible to do a circuit with 5v to heat up something with high temperature ?
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[16:08] <brasizza> like the car, they have a place to light up the cigar.
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[16:16] <ThinkingofPython> What are you planning to do, brasizza ?
[16:16] <ThinkingofPython> MY123, how is RT working?
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[16:21] <brasizza> i wanna know how this eletric hook bowl works to do with raspberry
[16:22] <brasizza> i wanna do something eletronic with my raspberry with LCD , music/video webcam with selfie
[16:22] <brasizza> i think i'll be able to do that only with 12v +
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[16:26] <brasizza> @ThinkingofPython did u understand? like just a heat system to heat up the hooka flavor
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[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> Well, you'd need to just short out the pins on the usb. Easy way to do it is just have a USB cord, connect positive and ground to something metal
[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> It'll heat up.
[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> Not sure if 5V is enough to do this though
[16:27] <ThinkingofPython> Should be, as 3V can in a vaporizer
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[16:28] <ThinkingofPython> USB________+ [ METAL PIECE ] -__________USB
[16:30] <brasizza> i can put 5v ___ metal piece ___ 5v both the raspi gpio or its better to get a 12v in a relay ?
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[16:33] <floralshoppe> is samba performance hampered by the Pi v1's CPU?
[16:33] <ThinkingofPython> So, cut open a USB male cord, you'll see 4 wires inside
[16:33] <ThinkingofPython> Take the power and ground (red and black) and do this
[16:33] <ThinkingofPython> http://tinypic.com/r/in8vom/8
[16:34] <brasizza> nice draw lol
[16:34] <ThinkingofPython> It gets the point across
[16:34] <brasizza> i'd that tought
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[16:34] <ThinkingofPython> hookah stuffz goes onto the metal piece to heat up
[16:34] <ThinkingofPython> You could try to see if 5V is enough, but I dont know if it is or isnt
[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> For maxium heat, you could put metal ontop of the hookah stuffz as well
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[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> So bottom and top, like a sandwich
[16:35] <ThinkingofPython> and run power to it as well
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> However, the thin USB wires may not be enough gage to carry the heat without getting damaged.
[16:36] <brasizza> do you think that i need an external 5v or the amp of the GPIO 1 and 3 (5v)
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> You're basically building a big USB cigarette lighter
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> I dont know,
[16:36] <brasizza> i'll find out
[16:36] <brasizza> ill build this stuff with fire resistance
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Windproof-USB-Electronic-Rechargeable-Battery-Flameless-Cigarette-Lighter-/170938102934
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> You can see that this is a similar thing
[16:36] <ThinkingofPython> but smaller
[16:37] <brasizza> thanks!
[16:37] <brasizza> just an off topic.. are you from australia?
[16:37] <ThinkingofPython> No problem man.
[16:37] <ThinkingofPython> No, I'm from China.
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[16:37] <ThinkingofPython> Just an image search linked to that
[16:37] <brasizza> haha thanks!
[16:38] <SineDeviance> ThinkingofPython: thanks for the recommendation! I'll have a look for those when/if the time comes
[16:38] <SineDeviance> We're hoping WiFi will be enough
[16:39] <ThinkingofPython> NP.
[16:39] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, don't talk about RT
[16:39] <ThinkingofPython> lol why
[16:39] <ThinkingofPython> You never posted it on reddit D: or provided pics :(
[16:40] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, the project is restarted with winocm's work and KVM
[16:40] <MY123> (Qemu-KVM on ARM)
[16:41] <ThinkingofPython> ?
[16:41] <MY123> to make it more portable
[16:41] <ThinkingofPython> so will RT work or not
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[16:42] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, RT on Qemu was already done by winocm
[16:43] <ThinkingofPython> On the Pi?
[16:43] <ThinkingofPython> But thats a VM, that isn't any fun on a low powered machine
[16:43] <SineDeviance> I was wondering that myself actually. I want to use a pi2 to build a carputer and I'd rather run windows
[16:43] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, the Pi2 has hardware virtualization
[16:44] <ThinkingofPython> But MY123, why go the VM route?
[16:44] <ThinkingofPython> You said you had it working without VM
[16:44] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, I wrote a hypervisor with GIC support for that
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[16:45] <ThinkingofPython> and you could send it out to people
[16:45] <ThinkingofPython> so others can have RT
[16:45] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, it's ugly
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[16:45] <MY123> Qemu is technically much nicer
[16:45] <ThinkingofPython> We're hardware hackers, we dont care about ugly :P
[16:46] <ThinkingofPython> Yeah but a VM isn't as efficient
[16:46] <SineDeviance> Lol
[16:46] <MY123> ThinkingofPython: a VM is needed anyway
[16:46] <SineDeviance> Yeah native is always best unless you need 24 of them to be running g
[16:46] <SineDeviance> On* the same metal
[16:46] <MY123> except if I can get Cotulla to come here and help me
[16:46] <MY123> for HAL coding
[16:46] <ThinkingofPython> This is the first you mentioned of it needed a VM, My123
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[16:47] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, it needs a GIC, and the Pi doesn't have that
[16:47] <ThinkingofPython> So, can I run QEmu from command line (no startx)
[16:47] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, possibl
[16:47] <MY123> e
[16:47] <ThinkingofPython> and then launch it fullscreen, so it uses less resources than in the desktop?
[16:47] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, it uses SDL
[16:47] <ThinkingofPython> Hmm, that may be a fun thing to do.
[16:48] <ThinkingofPython> can You link me to somewhere with instructions, MY123?
[16:48] <ThinkingofPython> for qemu to run windows rt
[16:48] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, Winocm's "Giving Windows on ARM a hand"
[16:48] <MY123> for the technical way and the proof as a picture
[16:49] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, google it
[16:49] <SineDeviance> Windows 10 IoT will run on the Pi, won't it?
[16:49] <MY123> SineDeviance, it's already public since a while. We are talking about Windows 8.1 RT
[16:49] <SineDeviance> Ah
[16:49] <SineDeviance> Well hell, I'd rather run 10 anyways :)
[16:50] <MY123> SineDeviance, there is no Win32 desktop support in 10 IoT
[16:50] <MY123> nor the Start Screen
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[16:50] <floralshoppe> no GUI at all
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[16:51] <MY123> floralshoppe, there is a GUI
[16:51] <blonkel> hey guys i get: "clk-gpio-gate.c:(.text+0xeb750): undefined reference to `mmc_debug'" while building raspberry pi kernel, any idears how to solve this?
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[16:51] <ThinkingofPython> sad.
[16:51] <ThinkingofPython> "(Currently the system has very little functionality in terms of usage, there is no proper input driver nor storage. The framebuffer provided to the system is the exact same one EFI sets up. Once additional functionality is implemented, the system can become usable as a desktop Windows instance.)"
[16:51] <SineDeviance> MY123: fine by me. I expected no win32 apps to ever work, and I personally hate the start screen :)
[16:52] <SineDeviance> Oh wait, no GUI at all? Well that sucks then
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[16:52] <SineDeviance> Oh wells, linux
[16:52] <MY123> ThinkingofPython, yes, but it works
[16:52] <ThinkingofPython> Its at like alpha 0.1 stages xd
[16:52] <MY123> SineDeviance, there is a GUI in Windows 10 IoT
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[16:52] <SineDeviance> Ah
[16:52] <MY123> even enabled by default
[16:52] <SineDeviance> Desktop?
[16:52] <floralshoppe> but its nothing like the desktop version
[16:52] <floralshoppe> isnt it so?
[16:53] <MY123> SineDeviance, no desktop, that's why I port Windows RT
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[16:53] <SineDeviance> Ah
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[16:54] <ThinkingofPython> Windows IOT is for different uses as well
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[16:55] <ThinkingofPython> I've got XFCE4 on my Pi, it's sexy and is skinned to look like OSX currently
[16:55] <ThinkingofPython> Seems we got to wait for RT or IOT to be useful (if it ever is) for the general consumer.
[16:56] <ThinkingofPython> on the Pi.
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[16:58] <floralshoppe> theyll never port RT to pi
[16:59] <niston> why would they
[16:59] <ThinkingofPython> Oh ofcourse
[16:59] <niston> RT is dead
[16:59] <floralshoppe> indeed it is
[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> But we have to wait for either hackers to get RT past these initial stages
[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> or for MS to get full win 10 on Pi
[17:00] <ThinkingofPython> Or atleast something usable by the general consumer
[17:00] <floralshoppe> they wont do it, theres no money to be earned that way
[17:00] <nyilmeregbeka> Hello everyone! I'd like to run a JBOSS java server on a RPI board to running a lightweight java webapp. What do you think which RPI model could be the minimum requirement for this?
[17:01] <blonkel> does anyone know if theres native aufs support for rasp kernel 4.0?
[17:01] <blonkel> or do i have to patch the kernel?
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[17:05] <A1F4> hello
[17:06] <A1F4> hay any one kown how to use raspberry pi as wifi router with ids ?
[17:06] <blonkel> hey
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[17:09] <A1F4> what components and os and application to use?
[17:10] <A1F4> but most import is it possible ?
[17:10] <A1F4> please guide me ..
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[17:21] <A1F4> hello
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[17:27] <brasizza> i never tried this, but i think that u'll need maybe wifi
[17:27] <brasizza> hostapd and isc-dhcp-server
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> I've always used;
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> hostapd + dnsmasq + iptables
[17:28] <brasizza> check this out
[17:28] <brasizza> http://raspberrypihq.com/how-to-turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-a-wifi-router/
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> Bear in mind that the Pi doesn't have the best network throughput, so you might be limiting yourself as to how fast you can use your internte
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[17:37] <A1F4> brasizza thank you?
[17:38] <A1F4> is it possible to sun snort / IDS system amd wifi router on same mechine ?
[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, but like I said depending on your internet connection speed you may end up creating a bottleneck with the Pi
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[17:38] <A1F4> wan -> ISD -> wifi private network .
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[17:39] <A1F4> is it possible to create above network flow .
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[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> Sure
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[17:51] <Macuser> What if somebody made a device like Chromecast but with just Popcorn Time
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[17:59] <A1F4> no but do you tried http://www.geek.com/android/picast-the-open-source-raspberry-pi-chromecast-alternative-1564550/
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[18:15] <shengtheninja> hi
[18:15] <shengtheninja> raspi is super slow all of sudden
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[18:15] <shengtheninja> omxplayer is slow too
[18:16] <methuzla> top, what's it show?
[18:16] <shengtheninja> hm?
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[18:18] <fyrril> trying to connect a wn725n wifi dongle, anything besides http://laurenthinoul.com/how-to-install-tp-link-tl-wn725n-on-raspberry-pi/ and http://weworkweplay.com/play/automatically-connect-a-raspberry-pi-to-a-wifi-network/ I should know?
[18:18] <k_j> Macuser, what's chromecast?
[18:19] <Macuser> k_j http://www.google.com/chrome/devices/chromecast/
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[18:19] <k_j> wow interesting
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[18:21] <k_j> what happens if many people want to share their own video at the same time?
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[18:27] <k_j> Macuser, i have been able to stream my rpi desktop to the browser recently
[18:27] <Macuser> Nice
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[18:27] <k_j> Macuser, is that what you want? let me search for the post
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[18:31] <k_j> Macuser, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=109700&p=753951&hilit=live+desktop#p753951
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[18:36] <apocr> I'm unable to start libreoffice impress from the terminal on my raspbian, is this a common problem?
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[18:37] <Macuser> k_j: no
[18:37] <Macuser> k_j: I meant like a device with Popcorn Time on it that you plug into your TV
[18:37] <Macuser> free movies
[18:40] <linuxthefish> is everyone sure about the 700ma requirement for raspberry pi?
[18:41] <chuck_norris_ama> 700ma seems a little high
[18:41] <chuck_norris_ama> i barely hit 600 and I've got a TFT installed
[18:41] <linuxthefish> 5 watts here with ethernet lol
[18:42] <linuxthefish> actually nvm i'm measuring before regulator stuff i have
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[18:46] <floralshoppe> what would be the estimate power usage when I'd have one external 2.5" hdd connected to the pi
[18:46] <MY123> raylee, ping
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[18:47] <linuxthefish> floralshoppe i can't get an external hdd to spin up
[18:47] <Froolap> floralshoppe: lots, depends on the drive though
[18:47] <Froolap> I have a 2.5 inch 120gb drive that need 500ma to run, and works great on usb.
[18:48] <pksato> floralshoppe: check label on hdd
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[18:48] <Froolap> I have a 2.5 inch 40gb drive that need 1A to run, and will only boot when connected to my desktop.
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[18:49] <Froolap> there are lots of usb drive kits that give two usb connectors so it can double the allowed power to the drive.
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[18:52] <A1F4> hey anyone know how to repair raspi B model ?
[18:52] <linuxthefish> here i got 10.2 watts during spin up, 3.36 watts just spinning
[18:52] <linuxthefish> floralshoppe
[18:52] <floralshoppe> great, thanks
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[18:54] <pksato> A1F4: repair? if not working, buy new one.
[18:55] <linuxthefish> what isn't working that you need to repair?
[18:55] <shengtheninja> how can i unistall X ?
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[18:57] <devster31> reinstall from scratch without
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[18:57] <devster31> no matter how you're still going to end with some residual X stuff on the system
[18:57] <shengtheninja> got it
[18:59] <shengtheninja> too much effort
[19:00] <shengtheninja> anyway something is broken in my raspi.
[19:00] <ffffee_m> to compare... what do a ssd need in watt? more or less?
[19:00] <shengtheninja> too slow, lagged
[19:01] <pksato> shengtheninja: can be normall
[19:01] <shengtheninja> all of sudden?
[19:01] <floralshoppe> pacman -Rdds $(pacman -Q | grep X)
[19:02] <floralshoppe> itll get rid of X, I guarantee it
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[19:08] <linuxthefish> ffffee_m around the same with no spin up current though
[19:08] <linuxthefish> i can power ssd with one port on rpi :p
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[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> floralshoppe: Not every package that has an X in it is an Xorg package
[19:11] <Sonny_Jim> Or is it looking for a dependancy on X?
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[19:29] <Froolap> you are likely better off installing the minimal image that doesn't have X than you are in trying to track it all down.
[19:30] <Froolap> then your desktop managers, widgets add on packages won't be there to begin with
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[19:33] <Kryczek> there is a minimal image for Raspbian?
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[19:34] <Froolap> they tooks away the info buttons that told of the features of each os. really wish they would put them back.
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[19:38] <ShorTie> sure
[19:39] <ShorTie> my_pi_os.sh works nicely
[19:39] <ShorTie> well, it makes an image for you with what you want
[19:40] <ShorTie> or it will just do up a sdcard for you, which ever you like/want
[19:42] <devster31> as far as I understand the script requires enough free space to build it though, I'm cramped as is
[19:42] <ShorTie> it can work on the sdcard
[19:42] <devster31> what do you mean?
[19:43] <ShorTie> it will either make a sdcard up or make an image or both
[19:43] <Froolap> pick your packages and poke your pi, then write to sd on the fly.
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[19:44] <devster31> so I can run it from the pi and replace the content of the sd card despite booting from said sd card?
[19:44] <devster31> that's neat
[19:44] <ShorTie> nop, gotta have another sdcard
[19:44] <ShorTie> in a usb reader
[19:44] <devster31> oh, ok
[19:44] <devster31> I got excited
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[19:47] <HanSooloo> what’s the recommended way of installing GStreamer these days? I see the “http://vontaene.de/raspbian-updates/” repo mentioned, but wheezy may already have it.
[19:47] <Froolap> I kind of miss the good old days of linux install where you could go through 1500 packages one at a time and there would be a description of what each one does and you could choose the ones you wanted and then it wouuld figure out the dependencies and do it.
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[19:48] <ShorTie> they have just narrowed it down a little with 'apt-cache search what_i_want'
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[19:49] <Froolap> if your distro has a package then they likely tested it out before including it, if thet don't or it doesn't work as expected then persue other paths.
[19:50] <Froolap> I haven't seen the package list with descriptions in a decade
[19:50] <Froolap> i don't even know what's out there or what does what any more.
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[19:53] <MY123> hi
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[19:55] <MY123> hard kill
[19:55] <MY123> :-)
[19:55] <MY123> after managing to remote crash my Win7 box
[19:56] <ShorTie> https://packages.debian.org/stable/ package list by catagory
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[20:00] <MY123> raylee, ping
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[20:18] <newradio> I want to run a rpi in my car all the time. How do i deal with high temperatures?
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[20:23] <Froolap> how do you deal with dead car battery when you want to go to work?
[20:28] <brasizza> just turn off man
[20:28] <Froolap> how is that going to be useful when you don't have a network connection or there is no one in the car?
[20:28] <brasizza> that's not a problem, just put a switch button
[20:28] <Froolap> that would exclude running "all the time"
[20:29] <Froolap> and high temp likely refers to in a parking lot.
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[20:37] <Tenkawa> hi all
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[20:38] <Froolap> hi Tenkawa
[20:38] <ali1234> running a pi all the time on a car battery won't be a problem
[20:38] <Tenkawa> whats new?
[20:38] <ali1234> it will take weeks to flatten it
[20:43] <Tenkawa> ali1234: how are you reducing the voltage?
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[20:43] <ali1234> 12V to 5V? I would use a switching regulator
[20:43] <Tenkawa> ahh
[20:45] <ali1234> personally i would power it off the same thing that powers the stereo, so i could turn it on with the ignition key but without having the engine running
[20:45] <ali1234> but i don't own a car
[20:45] <Froolap> who knows whaat they intend to do with the pi running in the car all the time...
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[20:46] <Froolap> maybe they want to hook up cameras to it to record whomever breaks into it.
[20:48] <ali1234> still going to use less than 500mA if done properly
[20:48] <ali1234> that will run for 10 days off a car battery
[20:48] <floralshoppe> whats the mah rating of a car battery
[20:49] <ali1234> usually around 50aH
[20:49] <Froolap> since the person who asked the question doesn't want to take part in the discussion, speculation is pointless
[20:49] <CoJaBo> ..so the Mystery $3,000 is dated for 2 days in the future.. wat
[20:50] <mxtm> Mystery $3,000?
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[20:53] <CoJaBo> mxtm: I got 3 grand deposit yesterday
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[20:53] <mxtm> for no reason?
[20:53] <CoJaBo> For no reason.
[20:54] <mxtm> looks like $1,000 should go to me
[20:54] <mxtm> for the same reason
[20:54] <CoJaBo> lol
[20:54] <CoJaBo> I'M guessing i have to give it back, but i dunno how tf it happened
[20:54] <mxtm> did it come in via ACH?
[20:54] <CoJaBo> and i can't find that out til Monday
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[20:54] <CoJaBo> shows up as a direct deposit
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[20:55] <mxtm> hm and those are via ACH I think
[20:55] <mxtm> I'm sure you can ask your bank where it came from (what account routing #s
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[20:55] <CoJaBo> i initially thought it was a debit and someone shimmed my card somehow
[20:56] <ali1234> someone probably wrote the wrong account number
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[20:57] <CoJaBo> Butte.
[20:58] <floralshoppe> cash it out as fast as you can bro
[20:58] <CoJaBo> Nozzle Miserere bizarre*
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[20:58] <ali1234> that's a terrible idea, they will come looking for the money eventually and you have no grounds for assuming it is anything other than an error
[20:58] <CoJaBo> floralshoppe: They pwn you with penalty fees and interest if you do that lol
[20:58] <ali1234> if you want to be an ass about it, withdraw it and give it to the police
[20:59] <CoJaBo> I'M not even gonna touch that account till its sorted lol
[20:59] <ali1234> then sue the bank to recover any penalty fees
[20:59] <ali1234> but only do this if you have time on your hands and nothing better to do
[20:59] <CoJaBo> I have butter thongs to do
[21:00] <floralshoppe> think of the cluster you could built out of pis with 3 grand
[21:01] <CoJaBo> i got an alert about the odd intestines, but i think it was automated
[21:01] <floralshoppe> it would be glorious
[21:01] <CoJaBo> terramycin transaction*
[21:01] <ali1234> floralshoppe: it would be almost as fast as a normal PC...
[21:01] <floralshoppe> 3000/35 = 85 PIs
[21:01] <CoJaBo> lol
[21:02] <floralshoppe> you could probably get em cheaper when youre buying this much
[21:02] <CoJaBo> there's a store here that has them for thirty butte's
[21:02] <CoJaBo> butte'd
[21:02] <CoJaBo> ?
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[21:02] <CoJaBo> bUcks
[21:03] <floralshoppe> cluster consisting of 100 pis should be faster than an average i5 desktop computer
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[21:03] <CoJaBo> how. in the he'll. is " butte's" a plausible weird i mean seriously
[21:03] <CoJaBo> word*
[21:04] <floralshoppe> how many gflops does one rsbpi2 do?
[21:04] <CoJaBo> doesn't it have a vector core?
[21:04] <CoJaBo> so probably more than you'd enema
[21:04] <CoJaBo> enema
[21:04] <CoJaBo> i give up
[21:05] <floralshoppe> what
[21:05] <floralshoppe> enema? are we shoving pis up our butts now
[21:05] <CoJaBo> expect ffs .
[21:05] <CoJaBo> floralshoppe: no, butte's, apparentlY =D
[21:05] <floralshoppe> lol
[21:06] <ali1234> why does your autocorrect randomly capitalize letters?
[21:06] <CoJaBo> because that's TOTALLY BIFURCATING A WEIRD
[21:06] <CoJaBo> FRICKING A WEIRD
[21:06] <CoJaBo> WORD OMG
[21:06] <CoJaBo> ali1234: Swype
[21:06] <ali1234> oh, lol
[21:06] <ali1234> i don't understand why anyone would use that
[21:07] <CoJaBo> because the key's are too small to type otherwise >_>
[21:07] <CoJaBo> it loves inserting spurious apostrophes too.
[21:09] <CoJaBo> I dunno what I'd even dip with three grand
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[21:09] <ali1234> get a better phone?
[21:09] <CoJaBo> can't
[21:10] <CoJaBo> i have unlimited data.. you can't buy that plan anymore for any amount of money
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[21:10] <ali1234> with $3000 you can buy a phone off contract
[21:11] <CoJaBo> Verizon will not carry it over to a new device
[21:11] <oldtopman> With $15 you can buy a phone off contract.
[21:11] <ali1234> sure if you want one of those prison phones
[21:12] <CoJaBo> when this phone dies, I'm ditching Verizon tho; no reason to suck with them if thru don't carry over the unlimited lol
[21:12] <oldtopman> Prison phones?
[21:12] <ali1234> oldtopman: there is an entire market for phones small enough to fit in your butte, they literally have no other features
[21:13] <oldtopman> Ah, yeah. Nothing wrong with those though. Don't have to have a $900 iPhone to be happy, you know?
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[21:13] <ali1234> i guess
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[21:17] <CoJaBo> ali1234: Classy.
[21:18] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23782136
[21:18] <CoJaBo> ali1234: The inventor: http://i.imgur.com/u7iOwVG.jpg
[21:19] <ali1234> we should probably change the subject before we all get banned
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[21:20] <CoJaBo> lol
[21:20] <CoJaBo> SupPisitory.
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[21:22] <ali1234> has anyone got a DPI screen?
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[21:22] <ali1234> i would be kind of interested in getting some register dumps
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[22:20] <Froolap> BLINK
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[22:27] <k_j> Froolap, BLONK
[22:27] <Froolap> what did I do now?
[22:27] <k_j> good question
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[22:28] <Tenkawa> heh
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[22:50] <Biberbuilder> Hello
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[23:13] <Froolap> sigh
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[23:47] <niston> loool
[23:47] <niston> lets ban small cell phones
[23:47] <niston> because yanno prisoners use 'em
[23:48] <niston> while we're at it lets also ban knifes, screwdrivers, hacksaws and anything else with a blade. cause yanno murderers use 'em!
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[23:50] <Froolap> yanno no about that
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[23:51] <Froolap> how would we keep them out of the channel?
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[23:56] <Mr_Sheesh> Ban stones too as people can stone other people... And hammers because more are killed with those than with knives
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